From owner-glass Sat Apr 1 15:33:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 15:21:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #170 built 2000-Mar-31) X-Path: box43.gnet.pl!kszyk From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Krzysztof_Kamie=F1ski?= To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Prairie Lamp Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:43:29 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014E_01BF9C34.151826C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Bungians :-)) I seek of project of lamp-shades and bases Prairie Lamps. Can somebody = to help me ???? Chris from Poland=20 e-mail: kszyk@box43.gnet.pl ------=_NextPart_000_014E_01BF9C34.151826C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Bungians :-))

I seek of project of lamp-shades and bases Prairie = Lamps. Can=20 somebody to help me ????

Chris from Poland
e-mail: kszyk@box43.gnet.pl

 

------=_NextPart_000_014E_01BF9C34.151826C0-- ------------------------------------------------------------ Oryginalny tak jak Ty - Mój Onet.pl [ http://moj.onet.pl ] Szybka i inteligentna, zna zawiłości języka polskiego [http://wyszukiwarka.onet.pl ] Onet.pl [ http://www.onet.pl ] POLSKIE MEDIUM INTERNETOWE ------------------------------------------------------------ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 1 17:27:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:23:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #170 built 2000-Mar-31) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: blank messages Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:21:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone know why I am getting messages that are blank. (to, from, subject line are filled out, but nothing in body of message) I get most bungi e-mail fine. but one or two a day come through blank. I have checked my settings and all looks ok on this end, but anyone with any suggstions let me know. Thanks, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 1 19:00:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #170 built 2000-Mar-31) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Linda Jo Letscher , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: blank messages Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 20:02:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk It's not your settings, it's theirs. Sent in mime format. If you want to see what they have sent, go to view on your tool bar, and then click on page source. Suzanne Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > Anyone know why I am getting messages that are blank. (to, from, subject > line are filled out, but nothing in body of message) I get most bungi > e-mail fine. but one or two a day come through blank. I have checked my > settings and all looks ok on this end, but anyone with any suggstions let me > know. > Thanks, > Linda Jo > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 06:02:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 05:44:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #170 built 2000-Mar-31) X-Path: box43.gnet.pl!kszyk From: kszyk@box43.gnet.pl To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Prairie lamp Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:42:43 +0200 Message-ID: <200004021242.OAA04695@box43.gnet.pl> Precedence: bulk Dear bungians :-))) I seek project of lamp-shades and bases Prairie Lamps. Can somebody to help me ???? Chris from Poland My e-mail: kszyk@box43.gnet.pl ------------------------------------------------------------ Oryginalny tak jak Ty - Mój Onet.pl [ http://moj.onet.pl ] Szybka i inteligentna, zna zawiłości języka polskiego [http://wyszukiwarka.onet.pl ] Onet.pl [ http://www.onet.pl ] POLSKIE MEDIUM INTERNETOWE ------------------------------------------------------------ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 12:21:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #171 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: yahoo.com!sarachildress From: Sara Childress To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: really need med size lightbox Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk hi all, I've been reading for several months and enjoying and learning a lot....sorry if I forgot to answer any personal email (like cia), but been moving around alot lately between my sister's house in Michigan and Kentucky. Does anyone have plans for building a lightbox (either to buy online or from store in Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan or areas close by. I finally have re-arranged my house so I can have a corner JUST for my glass (shelves and everythinng). It lookss like a lightbox shouldn't be that hard to build...and I have some help (tools and experience) from a neighbor....so can anyone help me. tia, sara __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 13:23:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #171 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: swcp.com!lgoga From: Larry Goga To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Chicago's Navy Pier Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:53:43 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk The following is from the March, 2000 issue of Spirit Magazine, a publication of Southwest Airlines. QUOTE NEW AT THE PIER New at Chicago's Navy Pier is the Smith Museum of Stained Glass Windows, the first museum of its kind in the country. The sparkling collection of 150 windows traces Chicago history from 1970 and is displayed in a series of galleries along the lower terraces of Navy Pier's Festival Hall. Exhibits include the ceiling panel from the Chicago Stock Exchange, circa 1894, and a window from a house designed by Frank Lloyd Wright in 1908. About 80 percent of the windows originally were installed in Chicago-area residential, commercial and religious buildings. Navy Pier is just East of downtown Chicago and extends nearly a mile into Lake Michigan. Once a freight terminal and recreation facility, the pier served as a military training site during World War I and World War II. After the pier fell into disuse during the 1970's and '80s, it was redeveloped and now is the city's most visited attraction. Features include the new Chicago Shakespeare Theater, Chicago Children's Museum, an IMAX theater, free winter ice skating and Summer dances and fireworks. Restaurants, shops, dinner cruises and a Ferris wheel are among the other lures. For information call (800) 595-PIER or visit http://www.navypier.com End-of-quote ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 13:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #171 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: locallink.net!katedos From: Carl To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Thanks Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 15:25:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded to my question on soldering irons. Ceramic sounds like the way to go. Kate ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 15:05:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com, kszyk@box43.gnet.pl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Prairie lamp Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:03:03 +0100 Message-ID: <200004022111.e32LBMt29751@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Krysztof in Poland, First, Welcome to Bungi! I hope you will be able to stay with us and enjoy the "family-like" atmosphere we have developed over the years. We already have someone else in Poland "lurking". Prairie lamps, ah yes. There are 2 books published (that I know of) with prairie designs; one called "Prairie Lamps" by Alex Spatz, 1995 ISBN No, 0-964- 1597-2-4 which also includes base patterns; the other "Prairie Designs for stained glass windows", by the same author, 1994 ISBN No. 0-9641597-0-8, from which you should be able to adopt and adapt. Best Regards and good luck! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dear bungians :-))) I seek project of lamp-shades and bases Prairie Lamps. Can somebody to help me ???? Chris from Poland My e-mail: kszyk@box43.gnet.pl ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 15:55:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Smith Museum of Stained Glass Windows Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:31:10 +0000 Message-ID: <200004022234.SAA02256@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Yes, I was there last weekend. Boy, what a mishmash. Some nice stuff, lots of really (really) non-nice stuf. A few mis-attributions (no way! that "La Farge" was a real La Farge ... but then there are lots of "Tiffany" windows that aren't by the Great Man, either). But I had a good time in Chicago, since it's "food city" as far as I'm concerned. A great melt-in-your-mouth ribeye steak the first night, oyster shooters at lunch the next day, and a great feast of Indian food the last evening in a part of town where women wear saris and men wear turbans and beards to their waists. Very cool. Been missin' you all and hope to find time to get back on board with you at some point. Awfully busy these days, though. Cheers! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 16:01:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: earthlink.net!crystalangl From: "Carol DeLong" To: "Sara Childress" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: really need med size lightbox Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:57:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Sara! I have seen boxes made of all sizes using flourscent lightings...you can get the lesser wattage (I use 25 in mine). You can build a box to go around them and then put glass or super heavy duty clear or frosted plastic. I've opted to have frosted....does not glare quite as much. You can get ceiling fixtures from your hardware stores (I got mine at Home Depot); turn it upside down and build from there...I put a cord to plug/switch on/off on mine. The fixtures come in all sizes and I found them a lot less expensive than from an art or glass supplier. Hope this helps. Carol D :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Childress To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 3:00 PM Subject: really need med size lightbox > hi all, > > I've been reading for several months and enjoying and > learning a lot....sorry if I forgot to answer any > personal email (like cia), but been moving around alot > lately between my sister's house in Michigan and > Kentucky. > > Does anyone have plans for building a lightbox (either > to buy online or from store in Kentucky, Ohio, > Michigan or areas close by. I finally have re-arranged > my house so I can have a corner JUST for my glass > (shelves and everythinng). It lookss like a lightbox > shouldn't be that hard to build...and I have some help > (tools and experience) from a neighbor....so can > anyone help me. > > tia, sara > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 17:00:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: earthlink.net!crystalangl From: "Carol DeLong" To: "Larry Goga" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chicago's Navy Pier Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Larry - What a wonderful article! What a greaat idea! Carol D. :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Goga To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: Chicago's Navy Pier > The following is from the March, 2000 issue of Spirit Magazine, a > publication of Southwest Airlines. > > QUOTE > > NEW AT THE PIER > > New at Chicago's Navy Pier is the Smith Museum of Stained Glass Windows, > the first museum of its kind in the country. The sparkling collection of > 150 windows traces Chicago history from 1970 and is displayed in a series > of galleries along the lower terraces of Navy Pier's Festival Hall. > > Exhibits include the ceiling panel from the Chicago Stock Exchange, circa > 1894, and a window from a house designed by Frank Lloyd Wright in 1908. > About 80 percent of the windows originally were installed in Chicago-area > residential, commercial and religious buildings. > > Navy Pier is just East of downtown Chicago and extends nearly a mile into > Lake Michigan. Once a freight terminal and recreation facility, the pier > served as a military training site during World War I and World War II. > After the pier fell into disuse during the 1970's and '80s, it was > redeveloped and now is the city's most visited attraction. > > Features include the new Chicago Shakespeare Theater, Chicago Children's > Museum, an IMAX theater, free winter ice skating and Summer dances and > fireworks. Restaurants, shops, dinner cruises and a Ferris wheel are among > the other lures. For information call (800) 595-PIER or visit > > http://www.navypier.com > > End-of-quote > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 2 20:03:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "Stephanie N Larson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: contracts Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:50:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Stephani I neve used any sort of prrposals,contracts etc until about a year ago when I almost didnt get paid for a large window. I had always taken folks at thier word and only gotten deposits when the panels involved a large outlay for materials.. To make a long story short the people odered a panel for thier master bath,told me exactly what they wanted,never told me they had an interior decorator working with them on the rest of their new house,installed said panel,decorator freaked cause it didnt go with her 'scheme',came real close to not getting paid.. Anyway I immediately came up with my own set of forms. They are: 1.Repair Estimate 2.Repair Authorization and info (details what I'm responsible for) 3.Proposal for New panels I had them all checked by a lawyer and he said they would cover me. I'd me happy to scan and email them to you if you like.. Byron Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie N Larson To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: contracts > I am presently considering my first large commission and I'm not sure how > to proceed with the contract. We've agreed on a price and I have an > approved sketch I've done. I know I need to protect myself and my design, > but is there a standard legal form/contract out there that anyone can > refer me to? This is the first project I've done where the purchaser > isn't a friend or a friend's friend. Should I put in statements regarding > how the finished product and the glass itself is going to look? I've > already explained that the glass will look alot different than coloured > pencils, but you know how some people are! This is going to cost me > several hundred dollars in materials, so I don't want the chance of them > cancelling out on me after the fact by saying it's not what they expected > (not that I think that will happen, but don't you have to protect > yourself)? On that subject, how about deposits? Is 50% standard for > upfront deposits? Or should I charge more? I'd really appreciate any help > anyone who's done this can give me!!! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 05:30:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:12:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: POBox.com!nadinesfolly From: "Nadine BethSchneider" To: "Byron Wells" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: contracts Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:08:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Byron! I use proposals and estimate forms from NEBS and they are not always exactly what I want or need. I would love to see your forms-I have a stack of repair work and new commissions that really need Better documentation. Thanks! Nadine Nadine Beth Schneider Nadine's Folly Art Glass Studio 703.724.7489 www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 06:35:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: A glass flute!? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:20:59 +0000 Message-ID: <200004031324.JAA25673@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Just had to share this with you ... an incredibly beautiful object that's also fully functional: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/dcmflute/0000/0011/0011fr.jpg Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 07:06:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: earthlink.net!crystalangl From: "Carol DeLong" To: "Albert Lewis" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A glass flute!? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200004031324.JAA25673@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert, Thank you for sharing that with us! It is beautiful....did you make it or know the person who did? It took a lot of talent to do an object like that! Carol D. :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Lewis To: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 4:20 AM Subject: A glass flute!? > Just had to share this with you ... an incredibly beautiful object > that's also fully functional: > > http://lcweb2.loc.gov/dcmflute/0000/0011/0011fr.jpg > > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 07:33:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: A glass flute!? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:00:15 +0000 Message-ID: <200004031403.KAA01136@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Thank you for sharing that with us! It is beautiful....did you make > it or know the person who did? It took a lot of talent to do an > object like that! Nope, I didn't make it, but I admire it. The information included with the URL was: > This glass flute was made by Claude Laurent, in Paris, in 1844. In > his entire career, Laurent only made about 50 flutes. Half of them > are in museums these days. His amazing flutes were cut crystal, > everything from 6 hole (no keys), to classic 4, 6, and 8 key concert > flutes, and one (and only one) full Boehm (modern) keywork flute, > out of beautifully cut Uranium glass. This flute is currently in the > Dayton C. Miller flute collection at the US Library of Congress. Here's the URL again: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/dcmflute/0000/0011/0011fr.jpg Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 08:05:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #172 built 2000-Apr-2) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: A glass flute!? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:00:15 +0000 Message-ID: <200004031403.KAA11159@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Wow..I have a contemporary glass flute (no keys) which is > lovely..but that is full blown (no pun) and resembles a PARROT G > flute with the foot and all..... > > How did you find it? I was browsing through rec.crafts.glass ... which you can find by launching your news group reader and signing up for it (don't ask me for details, they vary with your ISP, so ask there Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 12:01:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Miricle Mudd Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Guys, here is what seems a response to a thread on the Warner-Crivallero bulletin boad. Intersting. Anyone that was in on this a year or so ago, have any response to these folks. Linda Jo There have been some untrue statements about Miracle Mudd in a recent thread, and hopefully this will clear them up. First of all the warnings ARE clearly on the label, as well as the CAS numbers for the ingredients. Putty is a boring product (and my least favorite part of the fabrication process) and why it is such an exciting subject for discussion, is beyond me. I hope that this will put an end to the debate once and for all. The label states: CAUTION: LIQUID: Avoid uncontrolled exposure to heat or flame. Store used rags or paper in tight container or dispose of. Spontaneous combustion can occur. FIRE FIGHTING: Use carbon dioxide, foam or dry chemical. Use water only if no other alternative available. CAUTION:DO NOT TAKE INTERNALLY. Close liquid container after use. Keep out of reach of children and animals. Use adequate exhaust to prevent build-up of fumes. FIRST AID: SKIN: Wash affected area with mild soap & water. INGESTION: ADMINISTER STOMACH LAVAGE OR EMETIC AND COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF WATER. CONSULT PHYSICIAN or Regional Poison Control Center IMMEDIATELY. EYES: Flush with warm water for 15 minutes. Consult physician. Inhaled: remove victim to fresh air. Keep warm. Consult pyhsician. INGREDIENTS: CAS #66071-03-2, CAS #8006-64-2 POWDER: EYES: FLUSH WITH WATER FOR 15 MINUTES. CONSULT PHYSICIAN. SKIN: WASH AFFECTED AREA WITH SOAP & WATER. CONSULT PHYSICIAN IF IRRITATION CONTINUES. INGESTION: DRINK ONE OR TWO GLASSES OF WATER TO DILUTE. DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. CONSULT PHYSICIAN IMMEDIATELY. INGREDIENTS: CAS #1317653, CAS #778189. For those of you who are faithful users and have said good things about the product, you have my gratitude. We are a very small operation and take pride in producing a good product that we use ourselves. We will never get rich from our income from MM, but do enjoy sharing it with the industry we love. Use it with common sense and in good health, as with all of the products associated with stained glass. For those of you who choose not to use the product, that is your choice, but please don't make untrue statements about the labeling. Look up the CAS numbers if you want to go to the trouble, and if you have an unfortunate ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 12:31:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Albert Lewis" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A glass flute!? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:47:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200004031403.KAA11159@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk > > Wow..I have a contemporary glass flute (no keys) which is > > lovely..but that is full blown (no pun) and resembles a PARROT G > > flute with the foot and all..... > > > > How did you find it? > > I was browsing through rec.crafts.glass ... which you can find by > launching your news group reader and signing up for it (don't ask me > for details, they vary with your ISP, so ask there > > Albert Actually, you don't have to go to the trouble of figuring out how the news group reader works. Just go to http://www.deja.com/group/rec.crafts.glass and subscribe from there. The discussion on the group tends to be active and lively (but not moderated) -- new finds like the glass flute, which was posted by a group member named Joseph S. Wisniewski, come up fairly often. (Joseph also deserves the credit for the background on the flute that was quoted by Albert in his earlier message.) Brad Walker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 13:06:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Miricle Mudd Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:47:22 +0000 Message-ID: <200004031951.PAA03916@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Just out of curiosity (and because I *do remember the thread a while back ... I looked these up on http://www.buyersguidechem.de/cgi-bin/bgcas.idc > CAS #66071-03-2 "No product has been found matching the CAS registry number." > CAS #8006-64-2 Oil of Turpentine Oil of Turpentine rectified Oil of turpentine purified, DAB 8 > CAS #1317653 Calcium carbonate > CAS #778189 No product has been found matching the CAS registry number. As pointed out by that writer (one of the manufacturers, I take it), cement *is pretty boring, but it's certainly a matter of concern that they make it so difficult to find out what's in the stuff, particularly since some people make putty with Plaster of Paris, something you *don't want in putty. I'm not sure what the mystery's all about, but their web site describes it as a two-part mixture, but that "Leftovers can be stored for short periods, in an airtight container." Makes me think strongly of Plaster of Paris although the cure time (24-48 hours) would seem to indicate against that. I dropped them a line (email seems to be the only way to get in touch with them) pointing out the 50/50 response and asking if there was a typo in those two, since the engine didn't turn them up. Since CAS numbers follow a strict 5-3-2 digit sequence, the last one's certainly a typo, but we'll see what they say. Albert Jack of a few trades, master of a couple, both unimportant. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 13:34:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: anyone in Kentucky? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have an on line friend interested in learning how to do some stained glass. She would be a total beginner. If you are in Kentucky and might be interested in giving some very basic lessons, would you let me know? Thanks :) Kris (kristc@home.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 14:43:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Fw: Miricle Mudd Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:05:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I got this message, and it seems odd to me. First of all I would be the last person to be selling the stuff, I am not even sure it is worth putting on my glass, why would I sell it. The company has never been up front and willing to share if in fact they put portland cement or plaster of paris in their stuff. This subject was talked about at length a couple years ago, and it just hitting the fan on Warner-Crivallero's bulletin board. Just thought I would share. Regards, Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: lsg@technology21.com To: Linda Jo Letscher Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Miricle Mudd >Are you selling Miracle Mudd? > >Michael from LSG > >lsg@technology21.com > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 16:35:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:28:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Glendale Mall Subject: Miracle Mudd CAS numbers correct? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:23:14 +0000 Message-ID: <200004032326.TAA03869@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Hi, Alice. I'm not sure that people wanting to know what's in the products they're using is what I'd call "silly," but I guess it depends on one's point of view. Anyway, I checked 7778189 and that reports as 7778-18-9 Calcium sulfate Calcium sulfate anhydrous Calcium sulfate anhydrous (Anhydrit) Calcium sulfate, powder and 8001-26-1 (which isn't on your label, as I understand it?) as Linseed stand oil See University of Louisville's Sciboard at http://sciboard.louisville.edu/news/misc/chemical.htm for the "translations" of chemical names to household names. So "Miracle Mudd" is made of calcium sulfate ("Plaster of Paris," in other words), linseed oil, turpentine, and calcium carbonate (chalk, in other words). Seems pretty normal to me, as putty mixes go, although the Plaster of Paris would advise against its use on anything important, since the it will damage the window in the long run and make restoration of it down the line very difficult if not impossible if the windows are exposed to the elements. Why all the mystery? Seems to me being mysterious puts off more potential customers than it attracts, particularly in these days when so many people are paranoid about what they're using, eating, breathing and so on. Thanks for the feedback, though. Albert > It just goes on and on, doesn't it? :o) Get's sort of silly after > awhile. Just don't understand the fuss over it, but someone said > that bad publicity was as effective as good publicity, as long as > they spell the name right. Problem is - they don't. :o))) The second > number was incomplete - sorry. Should be: #7778189 (you can put the > dashes in - some sites like the dashes and others don't) and the > other one has several numbers actually - but try #8001261. I think > that will get you there on the search you're using. Hope this helps. > -Alice- > > > > From: Albert Lewis > > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:47:44 -0400 > > To: info@glendalemall.com > > Subject: CAS numbers correct? > > > > Hi, > > > > A discussion online to which you responded led me to look up your > > CAS numbers on http://www.buyersguidechem.de/cgi-bin/bgcas.idc > > > > Two of them didn't get a response. Is there a typo in them? The > > CAS numbers you cited and the response received were: > > > > CAS #66071-03-2 > > "No product has been found matching the CAS registry number." > > > > CAS #778189 > > "No product has been found matching the CAS registry number." > > > > > > The second one doesn't follow the 5-2-1 format of CAS numbers, so > > I'd guess that one was mistyped somehow. Would you check these and > > let me know? Thanks. > > > > Albert > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 19:21:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA Press Release:UK Lampworking Classes Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:57:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following information was passed along to me by a fellow member of the International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA), and is provided as a service to our other fellow members online. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- The following was on rec-crafts-glass and I thought it might be of interest to IGGA folks: Subject: UK Classes Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 From: BioChem Glass Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass GLASS LAMPWORKING CLASSES COURSE 1 - BASIC SKILLS 8 X 2 HOUR SESSIONS Have you ever wanted to try your hand at making glass novelties i.e. Beads, Swans, Flowers, Chess sets! Local Company offers places at their Training School to adults who wish to learn basic glass blowing skills. Classes are run four days a week Monday to Thursday with a session of 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours in the afternoon. The course will be 8 x 2 hour sessions starting in September over a period of 4 to 8 weeks. Course time table to be set nearer the date. All glass blowing instructors are NVQ approved and BSSG approved. For further information on costs and booking please telephone = 01582 593584 BioChem Glass (Apparatus)Ltd. Unit 3C Heron Business Park Whitefield Ave Sundon Park Luton Beds LU3 3BB= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 3 20:53:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lymphedema Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:05:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Regarding the recent questions about lymphedema, a recent Library Journal listed the following book: Burt, Jeannie & Gwen White Lymphedema: A Breast Cancer Patient's Guide to Prevention and Healing Hunter House, 1999 ISBN (hardcover) 0-89793-265-X $22.95 ISBN (paperback) 0-89793-264-1 $12.95 >From the review: In the past, many women were told they would have to live with the swollen arm and lack of mobility that appeared after their surgery. Burt and White present treatment plans, massage therapies (Professional and self-administered) and exercise regimens to alleviate or diminish this surgical aftermath. I haven't seen the book, but if you are interested, you might check for reviews on Amazon, etc. Dorothy (who lives in Connecticut, home of the National Champion UConn Huskies Basketball Team. Quite a welcome home today! Wearing my commemorative tee-shirt as I type. If I could have put Jonathon the Husky on a basketball - all in stained glass, of course - I probably could have sold a bunch today, but I am not approved by the NCAA.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 4 16:21:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:02:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Steve Richard Subject: Re: Miracle Mudd CAS numbers correct? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:56:46 +0000 Message-ID: <200004042300.TAA19605@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > As Plaster of Paris is viewed as such a contra-indicated component > of lead light cement, why do the MM people continue to include it > without clear notification? No, Plaster of Paris is okay. It's Portland Cement that's a no-no. So the "Miracle Mudd" stuff looks fine. Sorry if I gave the impression that it was otherwise. T'wasn't intended. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 4 16:53:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:37:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: aol.com!Mar333Wood From: Mar333Wood@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: French horn Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:01:36 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am designing a pattern that contains a "French Horn", the pattern is coming along beautifully except for my french horn which looks sick. Anyone have a french horn pattern that can be modified? TIA for any help. Marti http://members.aol.com/Mar333Wood/WOODMAR.html ICQ Number: 19326169 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 4 19:18:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: I am lost Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Help me if you may. I have been following the discussions of the Miracle Mud and hearing Portland cement is bad for lead work and then Plaster of Paris is. I am going to attempt my first lead project in a few months from now. I was planning on looking up basic directions off the net but sounds like I need a few tips to watch out for. Please clarify some of the concerns before I get started on what technique I should be using. I have been doing foiling work for lots of years and lately have been doing stepping stones. In my stones I am using Portland cement so if that causes problems with glass I am in big trouble. Thanks, Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 4 21:32:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: box43.gnet.pl!kszyk From: kszyk@box43.gnet.pl To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Prairie base Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:28:16 +0200 Message-ID: <200004050428.GAA23640@box43.gnet.pl> Precedence: bulk I would want individually to execute base to Prairie Lamps. Somebody would be able to send me exact project such base. Purchase ready base in Poland is not possible, and for shipping such base bought in one from internet shops in U. S. joins with payment for shipping, which is twice greater than cost oneself base. Thank you for help. Chris from Poland. My e-mail: kszyk@box43.gnet.pl ------------------------------------------------------------ Oryginalny tak jak Ty - Mój Onet.pl [ http://moj.onet.pl ] Szybka i inteligentna, zna zawiłości języka polskiego [http://wyszukiwarka.onet.pl ] Onet.pl [ http://www.onet.pl ] POLSKIE MEDIUM INTERNETOWE ------------------------------------------------------------ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 4 22:01:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: "Shay Friel" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: For Stained Glass People! Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:13:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk My sister sent me this and I thought I should share it with everyone! I know I don't post alot, but this is really nice! Shay Friel People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 4 22:22:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:54:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Prairie base Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:49:02 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/4/00 9:33:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kszyk@box43.gnet.pl writes: > I would want individually to execute base to Prairie Lamps. Somebody would be > able to > send me exact project such base. > Purchase ready base in Poland is not possible, Without getting into copyright issues here are some thoughts. Frank Lloyd Wright is thought to have designed his own lamp bases and it is likely that the Library of Congress has drawings and specifications for his bases. Getting the information might be a real challenge and the cost might well be quite high. I have seen several videos of FLW's work. In just about every house that these videos cover there are several Prairie lamps and stained glass windows in the background. It should be a simple manner to copy the lamp base from the video. My videos came from the local public library. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 5 04:03:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:45:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: earthlink.net!crystalangl From: "Carol DeLong" To: "Shay Friel" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: For Stained Glass People! Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:45:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello, Shay, What a lovely item to share! Thank you...you made my day! Carol D. :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: Shay Friel To: Stained Glass Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 4:13 PM Subject: For Stained Glass People! > My sister sent me this and I thought I should share it with everyone! > I know I don't post alot, but this is really nice! > Shay Friel > > People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine > when the sun is out but when the darkness sets in, their true > beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within... > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 5 08:04:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Prairie base Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:45:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Chris from Poland: >I would want individually to execute base to Prairie Lamps. Somebody wou= ld be able to send me exact project such base. = Purchase ready base in Poland is not possible, and for shipping such base= bought in one from internet shops in U. S. = joins with payment for shipping, which is twice greater than cost oneself= base. = Thank you for help. = Chris from Poland.< There are Prairie lampbases which come in kits - most of which is stained= glass and the rest is wood and the electricals. They are called "Prairie Oak Bases" and may be ordered from most any mail-order stained glass retail/wholesal= e supplier. I'm looking at 5 different designs for them in the Rainbow Art= Glass Inc. wholesale catalog. They are manufactured by Cliffside Studio, which also= designs and sells Prairie lampshade patterns (I've used them and they are good). You should be able to order one or two for not much money, even with shipping. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 5 10:04:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:51:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Updated eye protection, glass artists Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:46:04 +0000 Message-ID: <200004051650.MAA25493@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Here's something you might find interesting, since it arrived in my mailbox this a.m.: Monona Rossol's latest ACTS FACTS newsletter (April 2000, Vol. 14, No. 04) has a terrific update on protective eyewear for glass, ceramic, and metal workers. It's too extensive to quote in its entirety, but you can get a free copy by sending a self-addressed stamped envelope to Monona at ACTS, 181 Thompson Street #23, New York NY 10012. Personally, I'm glad to see the updated information 'cause there's nothing worse than to lose or damage one's vision, eh? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 5 11:06:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: chartertn.net!deskins From: Lou Deskins To: Albert Lewis , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Updated eye protection, glass artists Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200004051650.MAA25493@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk I have been lurking for a while, but I couldn't leave this unanswered, as it became personal after an eye injury. After being lazy about wearing my protective eyewear, I have spent the last year dealing with eye problems. Seems that I got "something" in the cornea of my eye,(I am convinced it was a small piece of glass) which caused what the opthamologist call a "recurring eruption". He did some minor surgery in the office, which involved numbing the eye, and "snipping" the eruption. I then had to wear a "bandage" contact for 14 days (which I must say was terribly irritating), and have been on a treatment of drops 4X daily, and ointment every night for the past 5 months. It has not only been expensive, but annoying as well, to REMEMBER to use the drops all the time. If all has gone well, I will hopefully be able to discontinue this treatment, but too all who do glass work..... PLEASE, don't forget your protective eyewear... it ISN'T worth it. > From: "Albert Lewis" > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:46:04 +0000 > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Updated eye protection, glass artists > > Here's something you might find interesting, since it arrived in my > mailbox this a.m.: > > Monona Rossol's latest ACTS FACTS newsletter (April 2000, Vol. 14, > No. 04) has a terrific update on protective eyewear for glass, > ceramic, and metal workers. It's too extensive to quote in its > entirety, but you can get a free copy by sending a self-addressed > stamped envelope to Monona at ACTS, 181 Thompson Street #23, New York > NY 10012. > > Personally, I'm glad to see the updated information 'cause there's > nothing worse than to lose or damage one's vision, eh? > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 5 13:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:48:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Steuben hand coolers Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:20:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk A friend was telling me today about the famous Steuben hand coolers and the neat history behind them, etc... anyway, he told me just enough to wet my appetite, not satisfy it. Can anyone tell me what a hand cooler is, etc? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 5 14:06:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: sympatico.ca!KMunday From: "Kim Munday" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Check this Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:43:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF9F1E.1366C240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have fun with these links. 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id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:51:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #174 built 2000-Apr-3) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Shari" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Steuben hand coolers Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:40:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk A hand cooler is little more than a small paperweight. There's some interesting information about them at this url: http://members.aol.com/bshute36/eggs.html Hope this helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Shari To: Bungi Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Steuben hand coolers > A friend was telling me today about the famous Steuben hand coolers and the > neat history behind them, etc... anyway, he told me just enough to wet my > appetite, not satisfy it. Can anyone tell me what a hand cooler is, etc? > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 06:26:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:17:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #175 built 2000-Apr-5) X-Path: go.com!the_wright_light From: Mary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: gloves Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please help and pray! My husband will be having 5 bypasses and a valve replaced next Wednesday. Because of the medecine he will be taking after ,his blood will be thin and he has to watch out for cuts. The doctor said he may not be able to do glass. Does anyone know of gloves that he could work in that could be tight enough for cutting and breaking and still resist being puncered. He was planning to retire in a few years and we were going to start using the tons of glass in our basement we have collected over the years. I told him I could cut and grind and he could solder but he does cutting and fitting so well I know he would never be pleased with my work. Thanks Maggie ___________________________________________________ GO Network Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 06:36:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #175 built 2000-Apr-5) X-Path: yahoo.com!sarachildress From: Sara Childress To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lightbox -THANK YOU!! Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you to everyone who wrote to me about making an inexpensive lightbox..what a wonderful response..the generosity of the people here is amazing! As some of you know, my recent divorce has left me counting penniies..and I received some suggestions that I can do for FREE :-))))) which will work until I can afford to buy the Morton. I ~love~ the one from Linda..turn an aquarium (which I already have from my kids' fish period) on its side and use a clipon light shining up!! plus, Carol suggested frosted glass to cut down on glare, so I bought a can of spray frost at k-mart (app $2) and sprayed the inside of the topfacing part. Thank you to Tim, Debi, Skip, Nancy, Linda, Carol, Ann (hope I didn't overlook anyone). SaraC :-)) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 06:59:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #175 built 2000-Apr-5) X-Path: alimac.com!till8er From: "Bev Kelly" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:40:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BF9F92.EEBBF440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have two "touch" lamps, which turn on or off when touched. I want to = convert the present ugly glass shade to stained glass shades. The = problem I'm facing is the lamps are shiny brass. If I foil how will I = get the brass look? Should I use brass came, if so, how do I get the = soldered joints to look like brass? =20 Also has anyone else converted "touch" lamps? Any problems? Thanks Bev ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BF9F92.EEBBF440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have two "touch" lamps, which turn on = or off when=20 touched.  I want to convert the present ugly glass shade to stained = glass=20 shades.  The problem I'm facing is the lamps are shiny = brass.  If=20 I foil how will I get the brass look?  Should I use brass = came,=20 if so, how do I get the soldered joints to look like brass?  =
 
Also has anyone else converted "touch" lamps?  = Any=20 problems?
 
Thanks
 
Bev
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BF9F92.EEBBF440-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 17:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Curtro Cutter Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:00:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone here seen this item for sale in any of thier wholesale catalogs? = I deal only with Hollander and Houston suppliers.. Hollander never had = it and Houston discontinued it... I've had 1 of these several years and = its a real timesaver on repetative lead cuts like on victorian diamond = pattern windows. Anyway my son has started working with me since I'm so = swamped and I need another one of these,just need to know who carries em Thanks! Byron Wells Glassworks p.s. for those that dont know it looks like a mini guillitine (sp?) for = cutting lead. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone here seen this item for sale in = any of thier=20 wholesale catalogs? I deal only with Hollander and Houston suppliers.. = Hollander=20 never had it and Houston discontinued it... I've had 1 of these several = years=20 and its a real timesaver on repetative lead cuts like on victorian = diamond=20 pattern windows. Anyway my son has started working with me since I'm so = swamped=20 and I need another one of these,just need to know who carries = em
 
Thanks!
 
Byron
Wells Glassworks
 
p.s. for those that dont know it looks = like a mini=20 guillitine (sp?) for cutting lead.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 17:34:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Shay Friel Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: For Stained Glass People! Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Thank you Shay for sharing such a beautiful thought about people being like stained glass windows. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 18:09:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Mary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: gloves Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:47:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk We were talking about this at work the other day. I had Joanne in mind. One of the gals says she knows of some gloves that are made of really finely meshed stainless steel? She said they were originally made for butchers. She said she read something about it in a glass publication, but couldnt remember where or which one... Anyone know anything about these? She said they arent thick, and they are lightweight. Suzanne Mary wrote: > > Please help and pray! My husband will be having 5 > bypasses and a valve replaced next Wednesday. Because of > the medecine he will be taking after ,his blood will be > thin and he has to watch out for cuts. The doctor said he > may not be able to do glass. Does anyone know of gloves > that he could work in that could be tight enough for > cutting and breaking and still resist being puncered. He > was planning to retire in a few years and we were going > to start using the tons of glass in our basement we have > collected over the years. I told him I could cut and grind > and he could solder but he does cutting and fitting so > well I know he would never be pleased with my work. > Thanks > Maggie > > ___________________________________________________ > GO Network Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 19:40:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: artglassw.com!dandl From: "Dave & Lynn Loda" To: "Byron Wells" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Curtro Cutter Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:03:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Byron, Pretty sure D & L in Boulder still carries them. Catalog @ work, I'm at home. Give me a call in the am & will check if you want. DAVE 1-509-662-2420 Quality Stained Glass Supplies http://www.stained-glass-supplies.com -----Original Message----- From: Byron Wells [mailto:byronw@fastlane.net] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 5:00 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Curtro Cutter This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone here seen this item for sale in any of thier wholesale catalogs? = I deal only with Hollander and Houston suppliers.. Hollander never had = it and Houston discontinued it... I've had 1 of these several years and = its a real timesaver on repetative lead cuts like on victorian diamond = pattern windows. Anyway my son has started working with me since I'm so = swamped and I need another one of these,just need to know who carries em Thanks! Byron Wells Glassworks p.s. for those that dont know it looks like a mini guillitine (sp?) for = cutting lead. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone here seen this item for sale in = any of thier=20 wholesale catalogs? I deal only with Hollander and Houston suppliers.. = Hollander=20 never had it and Houston discontinued it... I've had 1 of these several = years=20 and its a real timesaver on repetative lead cuts like on victorian = diamond=20 pattern windows. Anyway my son has started working with me since I'm so = swamped=20 and I need another one of these,just need to know who carries = em
 
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Wells Glassworks
 
p.s. for those that dont know it looks = like a mini=20 guillitine (sp?) for cutting lead.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 19:42:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Contract forms and such Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi all: I just sent copies of my forms I use to all of yall that requested them... Sent them to you in plain text form as I didnt know what everybody had in the way of word processor programs.. Can also resend them in Word format if anyone needs them that way.. Anyway they are pretty simple straightforward forms without a bunch of legal mumbo-jumbo.. My lawyer did say tho that they should do a good job for me...I STILL carry general business liability cause you just never know what kind of ambulance chaser someone will hire...For a 1 man studio the price is pretty cheap... If anybody has any ideas for any additions to the forms please email me.. Cant be to careful nowdays. Also if anyone else wants them just holler. Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 20:11:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "Dave & Lynn Loda" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Curtro Cutter Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:40:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Thanks Dave.. I dug through my catalog pile and found thiers.. I'll call them tomorrow... Need a 3rd supplier anyway and have always heard good things about D&L. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: Byron Wells ; Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Curtro Cutter > Byron, > > Pretty sure D & L in Boulder still carries them. Catalog @ work, I'm at > home. Give me a call in the am & will check if you want. > > DAVE > > 1-509-662-2420 > > Quality Stained Glass Supplies > http://www.stained-glass-supplies.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Byron Wells [mailto:byronw@fastlane.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 5:00 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Curtro Cutter > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Anyone here seen this item for sale in any of thier wholesale catalogs? = > I deal only with Hollander and Houston suppliers.. Hollander never had = > it and Houston discontinued it... I've had 1 of these several years and = > its a real timesaver on repetative lead cuts like on victorian diamond = > pattern windows. Anyway my son has started working with me since I'm so = > swamped and I need another one of these,just need to know who carries em > > Thanks! > > Byron > Wells Glassworks > > p.s. for those that dont know it looks like a mini guillitine (sp?) for = > cutting lead. > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
Anyone here seen this item for sale in = > any of thier=20 > wholesale catalogs? I deal only with Hollander and Houston suppliers.. = > Hollander=20 > never had it and Houston discontinued it... I've had 1 of these several = > years=20 > and its a real timesaver on repetative lead cuts like on victorian = > diamond=20 > pattern windows. Anyway my son has started working with me since I'm so = > swamped=20 > and I need another one of these,just need to know who carries = > em
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0-- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 21:13:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: gloves Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:33:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Mary, I sure think he should discuss his plans for working in glass with his physician. He may have some good ideas for solutions. I sure is not worth putting yourself in danger if you do not have to. You might be pleasantly surprised with what the doctor says. Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 21:14:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Eyewear Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:21:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Lou, As a vision impaired person (I only use one eye) I too think more about eye safety than most. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to WEAR SAFETY GLASSES! Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 21:42:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: "Byron Wells" , "[unknown]" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Contract forms and such Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:58:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Byron. Appreciate your generosity. I would enjoy getting copies of the forms you have made available. Thanks in advance. Jim Jim Kelly gcanvas@compuserve.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 21:44:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: gloves Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:17:13 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Those steel mesh gloves are sometimes used by woodcarvers. They are surprisingly flexible, considering the level of protection they give. You may wish to check woodworking stores in your area or try an online search. Through the Lurking Glass, Rickola ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 6 23:46:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:15:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Contract forms and such Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:15:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Byron: Thanks so much for the forms!!!! They will definitely help me out as I try to "professionalize" my studio. TO ALL AT BUNGI: And Thanks to all others who sent input as well!!! It's so nice to be able to draw on all your expertise and to know there's a whole support system only a keystroke away. If it wasn't for all you guys, I might not be starting my own business doing something I love and love to share. I believe I am expressing the sentiments of many other novices on the list. Bungians are the most sincere and upright people I have met in this industry!!!! Thanks again for all your help!! -Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 7 06:46:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: gloves Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:19:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I replied to Mary off list but if others are interested they do make puncture resistant gloves. Most law enforcement uniform shops carry them. They are designed for searching people to avoid needle sticks. They are light weight and come in a variety of sizes. If you do not have a uniform shop near I know they can be ordered through the mail in "Galls" catalog. I know they have a web site but I'm not sure what it is. Monica -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Mary Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 8:27 PM Subject: Re: gloves >We were talking about this at work the other day. I had >Joanne in mind. One of the gals says she knows of some >gloves that are made of really finely meshed stainless steel? >She said they were originally made for butchers. >She said she read something about it in a glass publication, >but couldnt remember where or which one... > >Anyone know anything about these? >She said they arent thick, and they are lightweight. > >Suzanne > > >Mary wrote: >> Does anyone know of gloves >> that he could work in that could be tight enough for >> cutting and breaking and still resist being puncered. He >> was planning to retire in a few years and we were going >> to start using the tons of glass in our basement we have >> collected over the years. I told him I could cut and grind >> and he could solder but he does cutting and fitting so >> well I know he would never be pleased with my work. >> Thanks >> Maggie >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> GO Network Mail >> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 7 07:17:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:46:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Contract forms and such Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 06:17:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Very well said Stephanie !! I do not say much, but I am here every morning and night, with high hopes of learning some sort of new trick with glass. You all are great! Love you all... Hi Mary & Suzanne Lee Tollett Stephanie N Larson wrote: > Byron: Thanks so much for the forms!!!! They will definitely help me out > as I try to "professionalize" my studio. > > TO ALL AT BUNGI: > And Thanks to all others who sent input as well!!! It's so nice to be > able to draw on all your expertise and to know there's a whole support > system only a keystroke away. If it wasn't for all you guys, I might not > be starting my own business doing something I love and love to share. I > believe I am expressing the sentiments of many other novices on the list. > Bungians are the most sincere and upright people I have met in this > industry!!!! > > Thanks again for all your help!! > -Stephanie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 7 07:35:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Brass Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:01:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bev Kelly" >I have two "touch" lamps, which turn on or off when touched. I want to = =3D convert the present ugly glass shade to stained glass shades. The =3D problem I'm facing is the lamps are shiny brass. If I foil how will I =3D= get the brass look? Should I use brass came, if so, how do I get the =3D= soldered joints to look like brass?< You basically have 2 options: 1. Use brass came and paint the solder joints with a brass paint. 2. (more expensive but much better looking) Use whatever came you want and have the lampshade electroplated with brass. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 7 16:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: legal forms Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:43:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Byron, When you are sending out a copy of your forms include me. PFD is fine or whatever format you send them in. Regards, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 7 17:03:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: Mary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: gloves Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 18:48:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Mary: I too have been looking for speical gloves for working with stained glass. I think we will need different types of gloves for different glass tasks. Recently I have been told that there is a glove used for filleting fish, so I plan to check in a tackle place for them. My situation is different than your husbands in that I had lymph nodes removed in my arm pit along with a mastectomy and need to be careful of getting cuts on my fingers which could lead to Lymphedema. The list of "DON'TS" far exceeds my imagination, but the ones that are most crucial to me are cuts from glass and gardening. I can see wearing the gloves for gardening, but even that will be difficult. If you get any more suggestions off line, please forward them to me. Joanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 7 18:20:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: legal forms Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:14:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Byron, Me too, please. Thank you. Hilary > When you are sending out a copy of your forms include me. PFD is fine or > whatever format you send them in. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 8 08:39:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #176 built 2000-Apr-6) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Gillian Higson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: legal forms Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:09:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Byron I also would like copies of your forms. In whatever format you have. Regards Gillian Hilary wrote: > Byron, Me too, please. Thank you. Hilary > > > When you are sending out a copy of your forms include me. PFD is fine or > > whatever format you send them in. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 8 09:16:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: daleep kumar , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hand surgery was re:gloves Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:20:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000408054411.9039.qmail@web4003.mail.yahoo.com>> Precedence: bulk Im having surgery this coming Thurday on my right hand. I'll have the opportunity to ask the surgeon if he's heard of them. ;o) He told me NO glasswork what so ever for 4 weeks. Then he wants me to wear a splint...and asked if I could work with one on. It's going to be real interesting. He's asked for specifics about how I hold my cutter etc...at work. He asked if there was anyway I could make my cutter fatter. The other day a supplier sent us a Coozie like thing for cutters. I LOVE it. It feels great in my hand. Good timing. Suzanne daleep kumar wrote: > > I read a report in a newspaper about mettalic wire > gloves which are used by Surgeons while operating.They > have to be very careful while working with scapels and > also because of various infections (aids etc.)they > might get.Try medical/surgical suppliers. > Daleep. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 8 10:38:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:22:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "Banker's House" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: legal forms Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:27:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Byron- Please add me to your growing list. Thank You, Dale bankers@ictc.com -----Original Message----- From: Gillian Higson To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, April 08, 2000 10:48 AM Subject: Re: legal forms >Hi Byron >I also would like copies of your forms. In whatever format you have. >Regards >Gillian > >Hilary wrote: > >> Byron, Me too, please. Thank you. Hilary >> >> > When you are sending out a copy of your forms include me. PFD is fine or >> > whatever format you send them in. >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 8 16:03:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Contract Forms Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:59:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Byron: Please add me to your list as well. Or perhaps you can attach them to an e-mail and anyone who wants them could get them that way. Joanne Dahlin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 8 16:03:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: forms Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:33:42 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Byron...My but your list is getting longer...please add me also to your list..many thanks...DEE depdee70@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 8 18:40:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "Dave & Lynn Loda" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Curtro Cutter Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:12:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Yup they sure did Dave... Thanks for the info! They even still had all my account info from 3 years ago when I got started... I've got a catalog heading to me and they are holding a cutter till I get it and can place the minimum order needed... Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: Byron Wells ; Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Curtro Cutter > Byron, > > Pretty sure D & L in Boulder still carries them. Catalog @ work, I'm at > home. Give me a call in the am & will check if you want. > > DAVE > > 1-509-662-2420 > > Quality Stained Glass Supplies > http://www.stained-glass-supplies.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Byron Wells [mailto:byronw@fastlane.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 5:00 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Curtro Cutter > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Anyone here seen this item for sale in any of thier wholesale catalogs? = > I deal only with Hollander and Houston suppliers.. Hollander never had = > it and Houston discontinued it... I've had 1 of these several years and = > its a real timesaver on repetative lead cuts like on victorian diamond = > pattern windows. Anyway my son has started working with me since I'm so = > swamped and I need another one of these,just need to know who carries em > > Thanks! > > Byron > Wells Glassworks > > p.s. for those that dont know it looks like a mini guillitine (sp?) for = > cutting lead. > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
Anyone here seen this item for sale in = > any of thier=20 > wholesale catalogs? I deal only with Hollander and Houston suppliers.. = > Hollander=20 > never had it and Houston discontinued it... I've had 1 of these several = > years=20 > and its a real timesaver on repetative lead cuts like on victorian = > diamond=20 > pattern windows. Anyway my son has started working with me since I'm so = > swamped=20 > and I need another one of these,just need to know who carries = > em
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BF9FFA.534A93A0-- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 8 23:07:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Business Card Patterns Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BFA1C5.1E56D6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to all! I'm looking for some patterns to make a variety of business card = holders, but am not having much luck! Can anyone help? Thank You, Sarah ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BFA1C5.1E56D6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi to all!
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BFA1C5.1E56D6A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 9 04:31:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 03:25:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Forms Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:01:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFA1BF.27E4E140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Byron, Please add my name to your form list also! Thanks! Sarah ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFA1BF.27E4E140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFA1BF.27E4E140-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 9 08:32:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Business Card Patterns Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 11:22:41 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000409112241.007a2a60@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk At 01:44 09/04/00 -0400, Sarah wrote: > I'm looking for some patterns to make a variety of business card = >holders, but am not having much luck! Can anyone help? I am not at the shop today (sunday) but I am pretty sure that one or both of the Gifts for all Occasions books have several business card patterns. Check with your stained glass supplier - I imagine they will carry both these. Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 9 10:03:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: "bungi" Subject: re:contract forms Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:28:56 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Byron, Please add me to your list also. Kira ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 9 10:33:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: friends helping each other Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:04:53 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk this time I am not asking for anythink..just a note to thank every one and Byron too..Have a good day to one and all...and Lou I hope you are getting better Dee............depdee70@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 9 10:40:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:28:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: "bungi" Subject: re:my name Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:21:09 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Glenna when I was little I didn't like it too much. I always knew on the first day of school with the teacher going down the list when she/he got to my name and everyone turned around to see who was "Ki, Kyr stutter stutter.... (the teacher)" as I had to offer the pronuciation. It is with a long i. It comes from Ann Ryand's book "We The Living". It is Russian and apparently (according to a Bulgarian friend of mine who is really into history and names) descends from the "Kirs" in nothern Russina/Mongolia. Don't mark me on it, I am definately not a historian on names. It means sunny, or sunshine. Thanks again, Kira ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 9 12:33:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: telenowa.de!vera From: vera@telenowa.de To: Subject: Fire the Boss and Break the Alarm Clock! Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:26:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a 1 time mailing Your email was received as someone looking to make more income, remove info at end of letter Would You Take Out 15 Seconds To Read Something If U Knew You Would Improve your Income? 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It creates massive exposure instantly and provides all the needed tools to do the filtering, the selling, and the closing for you. to remove send email to exit123@japan.com put remove in subject ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 9 12:46:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #177 built 2000-Apr-8) X-Path: aol.com!SPRECHFAM From: SPRECHFAM@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: list Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:18:59 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Byron, Please add me to the list. Thank you. Lynda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 09:36:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #180 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Gillian Higson To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Business Card Patterns Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.20000409112241.007a2a60@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Hi Sarah I think there is a business card holder pattern on The Spectrum glass Free Patterns pages. Also in some of the books that have gift patterns,there may be one or two. But it isn't hard to make your own. Regards Gillian "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" wrote: > At 01:44 09/04/00 -0400, Sarah wrote: > > I'm looking for some patterns to make a variety of business card = > >holders, but am not having much luck! Can anyone help? > > I am not at the shop today (sunday) but I am pretty sure that one or both > of the Gifts for all Occasions books have several business card patterns. > Check with your stained glass supplier - I imagine they will carry both these. > Regards > Elizabeth in Bournemouth > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 09:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #180 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: Byron Wells Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Forms Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:03:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the forms Byron. Jim Kelly gcanvas@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 10:31:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #182 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Corning Museum of Glass - new exhibits Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:59:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk For any bungians close to NY you may be interested in this announcement: GRAND REOPENING SEASON: AMERICAN AND CRYSTAL CITY GALLERIES Corning Museum of Glass Corning, NY USA United States of America The Corning Museum of Glass will open two new exhibit areas, the American and Crystal City Galleries, on April 7, 2000. 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FOR MORE INFORMATION AND EXACT DATES: http://absolutearts.com/cgi-bin/news/elaborate.cgi?find=1369 Elizabeth in Bournemouth ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 10:31:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #182 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: aol.com!NEICYDENN From: NEICYDENN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Business Card Patterns Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:47:49 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/9/2000 1:08:18 AM Central Daylight Time, arasai@bright.net writes: << Hi to all! I'm looking for some patterns to make a variety of business card = holders, but am not having much luck! Can anyone help? Thank You, Sarah >> Try Spectrum, set 16 - there is a card holder there. You could use the basic design and make up several different variations to the original. http://www.spectrumglass.com/index.html Good Luck, Denise ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 11:03:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #182 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Someone in the San Jose area Date: Sun, 09 Apr 00 20:28:26 Message-ID: <200004100327.VAA09214@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Hi all, a student of mine is moving to San Jose and wants to know if I know where he can continue his education!!! Any takers? 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I dug through my catalog pile and found thiers.. I'll call them tomorrow... Need a 3rd supplier anyway and have always heard good things about D&L. Speaking of D&L, does anyone know their website address? >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 14:57:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #182 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Curtro Cutter Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:38:23 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 04/06/2000 11:13:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, byronw@fastlane.net writes: << Thanks Dave.. I dug through my catalog pile and found thiers.. I'll call them tomorrow... Need a 3rd supplier anyway and have always heard good things about D&L. Speaking of D&L, does anyone know their website address? >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 15:01:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #182 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: the_wright_light@go.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: gloves Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:11:03 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 04/06/2000 9:27:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_wright_light@go.com writes: << Please help and pray! My husband will be having 5 bypasses and a valve replaced next Wednesday. Because of the medicine he will be taking after ,his blood will be thin and he has to watch out for cuts. The doctor said he may not be able to do glass. Does anyone know of gloves that he could work in that could be tight enough for cutting and breaking and still resist being puncered. >> Maggie, I will be praying for your husband. I use "Microflex" gloves all the time when I work. My hands have been abused for many years until I finally realized that I needed to protect them. They are like surgeons gloves (rubber) and they have a small diamond pattern on the tips that mimic a fingerprint. I have gotten so used to them that I hardly realize that they are there anymore (until I nail one down to the table while leading!) They are not real thick, but I think that they are pretty strong. I have reduced the cuts to my fingertips tremendously, and it keeps the water and glass dust from the grinder off of them too! I love them and recommend them to everyone. You can get them in the "industrial grade" which simply means that they are not sanitized for surgery. The only draw back is that you have to purchase an entire case, which is 10 boxes of 100. When I bought them I paid $40 for the case. I use them so much that it was worth it to me. I have small hands (glove size 7) and I ordered the small. Most men (and some women) have trouble fitting into them (I sometimes have helpers!) So I would recommend medium or large. Hope this helps! Good luck! Microflex PO Box 32000 Reno, NV 89533-2000 Bus: 1 (800) 876-6866 ext.787 Bus Fax: 1 (800) 876-6632 Kauriee Wood The Looking Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 22:32:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: D&L's web site Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:40:13 +0000 Message-ID: <200004102144.RAA16899@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Speaking of D&L, does anyone know their website address? It's Website: http://www.dlstainedglass.com/ as far as I know. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 22:50:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: postoffice.pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Candy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Someone in the San Jose area Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:16:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200004100327.VAA09214@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Candy, San Jose State University (SJSU), my alma mater has a good art dept. For private studies there are many excellent glass artists (in both cold glass and hot glass), as well as shops with classes, for your student to investigate. Feel free to have him call me: Cheryl Ryder Fremont, CA (near San Jose) 510-793-0663 Best regards! Candy wrote: > Hi all, > > a student of mine is moving to San Jose and wants to know if I know where he can > continue his education!!! > > Any takers? > > Candy in Denver > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 10 23:02:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: stained glass chat Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:48:40 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk trying to fine jtherron aols stained glass chat what time I would like to join the glass chat Dee depdee70@aol,com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 02:30:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: "bungi" Subject: RE: re:my name Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:04:18 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk An old friend of mine named her little girl Kira. If you are looking for different names I will throw at you name of my daughter, JAZZ. Happy baby name hunting! Kira Madrid -----Mensaje original----- De: Glenna Rand Para: Kira Mason Fecha: domingo 9 de abril de 2000 20:29 Asunto: re:my name >[In the message entitled "re:my name" on Apr 9, 19:21, "Kira Mason" writes:] >> >> It is with a long i. It comes from Ann Ryand's book "We The Living". It is >> Russian and apparently (according to a Bulgarian friend of mine who is >> really into history and names) descends from the "Kirs" in nothern >> Russina/Mongolia. Don't mark me on it, I am definately not a historian on >> names. It means sunny, or sunshine. > >Thanks for responding so quickly. >I looked it up in my baby name finder and it said origin - Latin/Slavic >and the meaning is bright light, sun. >I may keep this one in mind if this baby I'm carrying is a girl! > >Enjoy the name! > > >-- >Glenna Rand >gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 04:01:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: Depdee70@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: stained glass chat Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:37:00 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk ME TOO Did not know there was one on AOL?????WHEN? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 06:02:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: aol.com!Valerieksj From: Valerieksj@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: stained glass chat Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:34:32 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Here is the link for the stained glass chat on A.O.L. As of yet, everytime I go there, there hasn't been anyone there. I am looking forward to chatting with you other glass workers!! Doug StJohn Stained Glass Chat on AOL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 07:33:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:28:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: Valerieksj@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: stained glass chat Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:09:33 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The AOL chat is on Wednesday and Saturday nights, after 9 p.m. E.S.T. Sometimes we show up a little late, usually there is a group there by 9:30 - 10:00. Never really ends at 11 pm, sometimes the diehard late-night group is still there well past 1 am!~ To subscribe for the reminder notices, email: Jtherron@aol.com Otherwise, AOL members can go to "Find a Chat" (under "People"), then click on "Enter a Private Chat", and write in "stained glass". Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 07:40:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Curtro Cutter Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:12:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Kauriee@aol.com >Speaking of D&L, does anyone know their website address?< http://www.dlstainedglass.com/ email: info@dlstainedglass.com Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 08:36:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Valerieksj@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass chat Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:44:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Valerieksj@aol.com wrote: > Here is the link for the stained glass chat on A.O.L. As of yet, everytime I > go there, there hasn't been anyone there. I am looking forward to chatting > with you other glass workers!! Hi there, HINT : set a regular time, everyday, for people to go and 'chat' ... like ... say ... 8-11 PM Eastern Time ... which is 5-8 PM Pacific Time. I think you'll have a lot more success that way. Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 08:55:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: lakeshore.net!sietsemas From: "The Sietsemas" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Comments on Inland Impulse grinder... 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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA39F.1A7A1840-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 10:54:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: eth.net!niksang From: "NIKHIL" To: "aavkar" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: FW: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:04:04 +0530 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: AMIT SHAH To: anna.swelund@ericsson.com Cc: stpfoils@mailindex.com ; jpr@qad.com ; tm11@hotmail.com ; niksang@vsnl.com ; rvaralak@ford.com ; samirshah@cyberwaveindia.com Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: Fwd: FW: >>From: "SINGH ANUPAM [MARKETING_MUMBAI]" >>To: Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com, npatil@sitgtrc1.telstra.com.au, >>singhniraj@hotmail.com, nitinsud@hotmail.com, ravisub@att.net, >>vijay.gopal@unilever.com, coolmaniac@usa.net, podu-cryptic@hotmail.com, >> shikhasinghi@yahoo.com, pp14296@yahoo.com, >>amittrivedi@icenet.in.mumbai.telco.co.in.web-hosting.com, >>cs_khushi@yahoo.com, gvgiri@hotmail.com, >>atul.chouhan@kotharipioneer.com, rtw@telco.co.in, mohit@telco.co.in, >>rrk1963@telco.co.in, brd@telco.co.in, mona@telco.co.in, dc@telco.co.in, >> pf@telco.co.in >>Subject: FW: >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:06:57 +0530 >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ANURAG_SINGH/Hsci@hsci.satyam.net.in >> > [SMTP:ANURAG_SINGH/Hsci@hsci.satyam.net.in] >> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 2:39 PM >> > To: Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com; sharmila@hdfcindia.com; alumni@mdi.ac.in; >> > amar.shah@goodyear.com; amratha@hotmail.com; anupam@telco.co.in; >> > princeofplanet@hotmail.com; roh_arora@hotmail.com; harshul@hotmail.com; >> > Amit_Bakshi@ingerrand.com; amitbak@hotmail.com; >> > banerji%mail@hsci.satyam.net.in; anupbasu@hotmail.com; >>anubat@hotmail.com; >> > mbaviska@ford.com; chadhasumit75@hotmail.com; chadhavivek@hotmail.com; >> > gaurav_dhodhi@yahoo.com; GAURAY.DHODHI@ROYALBANK.COM; >> > ganapathy@hd1.vsnl.net.in; ghazala@chip-india.com; >> > amitkhetuepal@rssoftware.co.in; neeraj@cirrussoft.com; >> > parminder_kohli@hotmail.com; rlochan@jdpower.com.sg; >> > mahals@espnstarind.com; anurag.mehta@sybase.com; chand_mukh@hotmail.com; >> > npatil@sitgtrc1.telstra.com.au; patilsanjay@hotmail.com; >> > pg98_neha@mdi.ac.in; pmakkar@usa.net; oberoir@espnstarind.com; >> > rajasika@pn3.vsnl.net.in; CN=seghal.roopali/O=gal@galaxy.satyam.net.in >> > Subject: >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:24 PM >> > > Subject: Fw: Nokia or Ericsson >> > > >> > > Dear customer >> > > Our main competitor, Nokia, is giving free mobile phones away on the >> > > Internet. Here at Ericsson we want to counter their offer. >> > > So we are giving our newest WAP-phones away as well. They are >> > > specially developed for Internet happy customers who value cutting >>edge >> > > technology. By giving free phones away, we get valuable customer >> > feedback >> > > and a >> > > great Word-of-Mouth effect.All you have to do, is to forward this >> > message >> > > to 8 friends. After >> > > two weeks delivery time, you will receive a Ericsson T18. If you >>forward >> > > it to >> > > 20 friends, you will receive the brand new Ericsson R320 WAP-phone. >> > > Just remember to send a copy to Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com >> > > ? that is the >> > > only way we can see, that you forwarded the message. >> > > >> > > Best of luck >> > > Anna Swelund >> > > Executive Promotion Manager for Ericsson Marketing >> > > >> > > Any rights not expressly granted herein are reserved. Reproduction, >> > > transfer, distribution or storage of part or all of the contents in >> > > any form without the prior written permission of Ericsson is >> > > prohibited except in accordance with the following terms. Ericsson >> > > consents to >> > > you browsing Ericsson World Wide Web pages on you computer or >>WAP-phone >> > > nd printing copies of these pages for private use only. >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________________ >> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 11:01:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: eth.net!niksang From: "NIKHIL" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: FW: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:59:04 +0530 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: AMIT SHAH To: anna.swelund@ericsson.com Cc: stpfoils@mailindex.com ; jpr@qad.com ; tm11@hotmail.com ; niksang@vsnl.com ; rvaralak@ford.com ; samirshah@cyberwaveindia.com Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: Fwd: FW: >>From: "SINGH ANUPAM [MARKETING_MUMBAI]" >>To: Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com, npatil@sitgtrc1.telstra.com.au, >>singhniraj@hotmail.com, nitinsud@hotmail.com, ravisub@att.net, >>vijay.gopal@unilever.com, coolmaniac@usa.net, podu-cryptic@hotmail.com, >> shikhasinghi@yahoo.com, pp14296@yahoo.com, >>amittrivedi@icenet.in.mumbai.telco.co.in.web-hosting.com, >>cs_khushi@yahoo.com, gvgiri@hotmail.com, >>atul.chouhan@kotharipioneer.com, rtw@telco.co.in, mohit@telco.co.in, >>rrk1963@telco.co.in, brd@telco.co.in, mona@telco.co.in, dc@telco.co.in, >> pf@telco.co.in >>Subject: FW: >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:06:57 +0530 >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ANURAG_SINGH/Hsci@hsci.satyam.net.in >> > [SMTP:ANURAG_SINGH/Hsci@hsci.satyam.net.in] >> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 2:39 PM >> > To: Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com; sharmila@hdfcindia.com; alumni@mdi.ac.in; >> > amar.shah@goodyear.com; amratha@hotmail.com; anupam@telco.co.in; >> > princeofplanet@hotmail.com; roh_arora@hotmail.com; harshul@hotmail.com; >> > Amit_Bakshi@ingerrand.com; amitbak@hotmail.com; >> > banerji%mail@hsci.satyam.net.in; anupbasu@hotmail.com; >>anubat@hotmail.com; >> > mbaviska@ford.com; chadhasumit75@hotmail.com; chadhavivek@hotmail.com; >> > gaurav_dhodhi@yahoo.com; GAURAY.DHODHI@ROYALBANK.COM; >> > ganapathy@hd1.vsnl.net.in; ghazala@chip-india.com; >> > amitkhetuepal@rssoftware.co.in; neeraj@cirrussoft.com; >> > parminder_kohli@hotmail.com; rlochan@jdpower.com.sg; >> > mahals@espnstarind.com; anurag.mehta@sybase.com; chand_mukh@hotmail.com; >> > npatil@sitgtrc1.telstra.com.au; patilsanjay@hotmail.com; >> > pg98_neha@mdi.ac.in; pmakkar@usa.net; oberoir@espnstarind.com; >> > rajasika@pn3.vsnl.net.in; CN=seghal.roopali/O=gal@galaxy.satyam.net.in >> > Subject: >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:24 PM >> > > Subject: Fw: Nokia or Ericsson >> > > >> > > Dear customer >> > > Our main competitor, Nokia, is giving free mobile phones away on the >> > > Internet. Here at Ericsson we want to counter their offer. >> > > So we are giving our newest WAP-phones away as well. They are >> > > specially developed for Internet happy customers who value cutting >>edge >> > > technology. By giving free phones away, we get valuable customer >> > feedback >> > > and a >> > > great Word-of-Mouth effect.All you have to do, is to forward this >> > message >> > > to 8 friends. After >> > > two weeks delivery time, you will receive a Ericsson T18. If you >>forward >> > > it to >> > > 20 friends, you will receive the brand new Ericsson R320 WAP-phone. >> > > Just remember to send a copy to Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com >> > > ? that is the >> > > only way we can see, that you forwarded the message. >> > > >> > > Best of luck >> > > Anna Swelund >> > > Executive Promotion Manager for Ericsson Marketing >> > > >> > > Any rights not expressly granted herein are reserved. Reproduction, >> > > transfer, distribution or storage of part or all of the contents in >> > > any form without the prior written permission of Ericsson is >> > > prohibited except in accordance with the following terms. Ericsson >> > > consents to >> > > you browsing Ericsson World Wide Web pages on you computer or >>WAP-phone >> > > nd printing copies of these pages for private use only. >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________________ >> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 11:23:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Kauriee@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Curtro Cutter Date: Tue, 11 Apr 00 09:02:41 Message-ID: <200004111601.KAA23585@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk www.dlstainedglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 13:31:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:28:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: eth.net!niksang From: "NIKHIL" To: "aavkar" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: FW: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:05:24 +0530 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: AMIT SHAH To: anna.swelund@ericsson.com Cc: stpfoils@mailindex.com ; jpr@qad.com ; tm11@hotmail.com ; niksang@vsnl.com ; rvaralak@ford.com ; samirshah@cyberwaveindia.com Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: Fwd: FW: >>From: "SINGH ANUPAM [MARKETING_MUMBAI]" >>To: Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com, npatil@sitgtrc1.telstra.com.au, >>singhniraj@hotmail.com, nitinsud@hotmail.com, ravisub@att.net, >>vijay.gopal@unilever.com, coolmaniac@usa.net, podu-cryptic@hotmail.com, >> shikhasinghi@yahoo.com, pp14296@yahoo.com, >>amittrivedi@icenet.in.mumbai.telco.co.in.web-hosting.com, >>cs_khushi@yahoo.com, gvgiri@hotmail.com, >>atul.chouhan@kotharipioneer.com, rtw@telco.co.in, mohit@telco.co.in, >>rrk1963@telco.co.in, brd@telco.co.in, mona@telco.co.in, dc@telco.co.in, >> pf@telco.co.in >>Subject: FW: >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:06:57 +0530 >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ANURAG_SINGH/Hsci@hsci.satyam.net.in >> > [SMTP:ANURAG_SINGH/Hsci@hsci.satyam.net.in] >> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 2:39 PM >> > To: Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com; sharmila@hdfcindia.com; alumni@mdi.ac.in; >> > amar.shah@goodyear.com; amratha@hotmail.com; anupam@telco.co.in; >> > princeofplanet@hotmail.com; roh_arora@hotmail.com; harshul@hotmail.com; >> > Amit_Bakshi@ingerrand.com; amitbak@hotmail.com; >> > banerji%mail@hsci.satyam.net.in; anupbasu@hotmail.com; >>anubat@hotmail.com; >> > mbaviska@ford.com; chadhasumit75@hotmail.com; chadhavivek@hotmail.com; >> > gaurav_dhodhi@yahoo.com; GAURAY.DHODHI@ROYALBANK.COM; >> > ganapathy@hd1.vsnl.net.in; ghazala@chip-india.com; >> > amitkhetuepal@rssoftware.co.in; neeraj@cirrussoft.com; >> > parminder_kohli@hotmail.com; rlochan@jdpower.com.sg; >> > mahals@espnstarind.com; anurag.mehta@sybase.com; chand_mukh@hotmail.com; >> > npatil@sitgtrc1.telstra.com.au; patilsanjay@hotmail.com; >> > pg98_neha@mdi.ac.in; pmakkar@usa.net; oberoir@espnstarind.com; >> > rajasika@pn3.vsnl.net.in; CN=seghal.roopali/O=gal@galaxy.satyam.net.in >> > Subject: >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:24 PM >> > > Subject: Fw: Nokia or Ericsson >> > > >> > > Dear customer >> > > Our main competitor, Nokia, is giving free mobile phones away on the >> > > Internet. Here at Ericsson we want to counter their offer. >> > > So we are giving our newest WAP-phones away as well. They are >> > > specially developed for Internet happy customers who value cutting >>edge >> > > technology. By giving free phones away, we get valuable customer >> > feedback >> > > and a >> > > great Word-of-Mouth effect.All you have to do, is to forward this >> > message >> > > to 8 friends. After >> > > two weeks delivery time, you will receive a Ericsson T18. If you >>forward >> > > it to >> > > 20 friends, you will receive the brand new Ericsson R320 WAP-phone. >> > > Just remember to send a copy to Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com >> > > ? that is the >> > > only way we can see, that you forwarded the message. >> > > >> > > Best of luck >> > > Anna Swelund >> > > Executive Promotion Manager for Ericsson Marketing >> > > >> > > Any rights not expressly granted herein are reserved. Reproduction, >> > > transfer, distribution or storage of part or all of the contents in >> > > any form without the prior written permission of Ericsson is >> > > prohibited except in accordance with the following terms. Ericsson >> > > consents to >> > > you browsing Ericsson World Wide Web pages on you computer or >>WAP-phone >> > > nd printing copies of these pages for private use only. >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________________ >> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 17:40:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: eth.net!niksang From: "NIKHIL" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: FW: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:02:54 +0530 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:24 PM >> > > Subject: Fw: Nokia or Ericsson >> > > >> > > Dear customer >> > > Our main competitor, Nokia, is giving free mobile phones away on the >> > > Internet. Here at Ericsson we want to counter their offer. >> > > So we are giving our newest WAP-phones away as well. They are >> > > specially developed for Internet happy customers who value cutting >>edge >> > > technology. By giving free phones away, we get valuable customer >> > feedback >> > > and a >> > > great Word-of-Mouth effect.All you have to do, is to forward this >> > message >> > > to 8 friends. After >> > > two weeks delivery time, you will receive a Ericsson T18. If you >>forward >> > > it to >> > > 20 friends, you will receive the brand new Ericsson R320 WAP-phone. >> > > Just remember to send a copy to Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com >> > > ? that is the >> > > only way we can see, that you forwarded the message. >> > > >> > > Best of luck >> > > Anna Swelund >> > > Executive Promotion Manager for Ericsson Marketing >> > > >> > > Any rights not expressly granted herein are reserved. Reproduction, >> > > transfer, distribution or storage of part or all of the contents in >> > > any form without the prior written permission of Ericsson is >> > > prohibited except in accordance with the following terms. Ericsson >> > > consents to >> > > you browsing Ericsson World Wide Web pages on you computer or >>WAP-phone >> > > nd printing copies of these pages for private use only. >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________________ >> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 18:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: nokia.com!Steve.Fairbairn From: Steve.Fairbairn@nokia.com To: niksang@eth.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: FW: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The Nokia give-away is yet another Internet hoax and I suspect this is too.... Steve Fairbairn Advanced Technical Support Manager NOKIA Internet Communications 250 - 6651 Fraserwood Place Richmond, BC, Canada V6W 1J3 Office: +1 604 214 7172 Mobile: +1 604 512 9293 Fax: +1 604 214 7795 steve.fairbairn@nokia.com -----Original Message----- From: EXT NIKHIL [mailto:niksang@eth.net] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 8:29 PM To: anna.swelund@ericsson.com Subject: Fw: FW: -----Original Message----- From: AMIT SHAH To: anna.swelund@ericsson.com Cc: stpfoils@mailindex.com ; jpr@qad.com ; tm11@hotmail.com ; niksang@vsnl.com ; rvaralak@ford.com ; samirshah@cyberwaveindia.com Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: Fwd: FW: >>From: "SINGH ANUPAM [MARKETING_MUMBAI]" >>To: Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com, npatil@sitgtrc1.telstra.com.au, >>singhniraj@hotmail.com, nitinsud@hotmail.com, ravisub@att.net, >>vijay.gopal@unilever.com, coolmaniac@usa.net, podu-cryptic@hotmail.com, >> shikhasinghi@yahoo.com, pp14296@yahoo.com, >>amittrivedi@icenet.in.mumbai.telco.co.in.web-hosting.com, >>cs_khushi@yahoo.com, gvgiri@hotmail.com, >>atul.chouhan@kotharipioneer.com, rtw@telco.co.in, mohit@telco.co.in, >>rrk1963@telco.co.in, brd@telco.co.in, mona@telco.co.in, dc@telco.co.in, >> pf@telco.co.in >>Subject: FW: >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:06:57 +0530 >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ANURAG_SINGH/Hsci@hsci.satyam.net.in >> > [SMTP:ANURAG_SINGH/Hsci@hsci.satyam.net.in] >> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 2:39 PM >> > To: Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com; sharmila@hdfcindia.com; alumni@mdi.ac.in; >> > amar.shah@goodyear.com; amratha@hotmail.com; anupam@telco.co.in; >> > princeofplanet@hotmail.com; roh_arora@hotmail.com; harshul@hotmail.com; >> > Amit_Bakshi@ingerrand.com; amitbak@hotmail.com; >> > banerji%mail@hsci.satyam.net.in; anupbasu@hotmail.com; >>anubat@hotmail.com; >> > mbaviska@ford.com; chadhasumit75@hotmail.com; chadhavivek@hotmail.com; >> > gaurav_dhodhi@yahoo.com; GAURAY.DHODHI@ROYALBANK.COM; >> > ganapathy@hd1.vsnl.net.in; ghazala@chip-india.com; >> > amitkhetuepal@rssoftware.co.in; neeraj@cirrussoft.com; >> > parminder_kohli@hotmail.com; rlochan@jdpower.com.sg; >> > mahals@espnstarind.com; anurag.mehta@sybase.com; chand_mukh@hotmail.com; >> > npatil@sitgtrc1.telstra.com.au; patilsanjay@hotmail.com; >> > pg98_neha@mdi.ac.in; pmakkar@usa.net; oberoir@espnstarind.com; >> > rajasika@pn3.vsnl.net.in; CN=seghal.roopali/O=gal@galaxy.satyam.net.in >> > Subject: >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:24 PM >> > > Subject: Fw: Nokia or Ericsson >> > > >> > > Dear customer >> > > Our main competitor, Nokia, is giving free mobile phones away on the >> > > Internet. Here at Ericsson we want to counter their offer. >> > > So we are giving our newest WAP-phones away as well. They are >> > > specially developed for Internet happy customers who value cutting >>edge >> > > technology. By giving free phones away, we get valuable customer >> > feedback >> > > and a >> > > great Word-of-Mouth effect.All you have to do, is to forward this >> > message >> > > to 8 friends. After >> > > two weeks delivery time, you will receive a Ericsson T18. If you >>forward >> > > it to >> > > 20 friends, you will receive the brand new Ericsson R320 WAP-phone. >> > > Just remember to send a copy to Anna.Swelund@ericsson.com >> > > ? that is the >> > > only way we can see, that you forwarded the message. >> > > >> > > Best of luck >> > > Anna Swelund >> > > Executive Promotion Manager for Ericsson Marketing >> > > >> > > Any rights not expressly granted herein are reserved. Reproduction, >> > > transfer, distribution or storage of part or all of the contents in >> > > any form without the prior written permission of Ericsson is >> > > prohibited except in accordance with the following terms. Ericsson >> > > consents to >> > > you browsing Ericsson World Wide Web pages on you computer or >>WAP-phone >> > > nd printing copies of these pages for private use only. >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________________ >> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 19:25:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:02:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #183 built 2000-Apr-10) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: all Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Boca Raton Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:56:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Im visiting Boca Raton FL this weekend. Anyone know of good stained glass sites or retailers in the area? Jim Kelly gcanvas@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 22:33:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #184 built 2000-Apr-11) X-Path: stainedglassunl.com!marylou From: "SGU" To: "Dennis Snook" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Stained Glass in central PA Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<003d01bfa28c$734cd700$9e9d32d1@enduser>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFA2C8.B5CC7EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will forward your email to a stained glass list that I am on and = hopefully we will get a response. If anyone knows of a business that could help Dennis, please let us = know. Thank you, Mary Lou Eveland Stained Glass Unlimited ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Snook=20 To: info@stainedglassunl.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:31 PM Subject: Questions HI, I'm looking for someone that makes storm window for on church = stained glass wndows. We are in central PA. Would you know of anyone, = or where I could go for that information. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFA2C8.B5CC7EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will forward your email to a = stained glass=20 list that I am on and hopefully we will get a response.
 
If anyone knows of a business that = could help=20 Dennis, please let us know.
 
Thank you,
 
Mary Lou Eveland
Stained Glass Unlimited
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dennis=20 Snook
To: info@stainedglassunl.com
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 = 8:31=20 PM
Subject: Questions

HI, I'm looking for someone that = makes storm=20 window for on church stained glass wndows.  We are in central = PA. =20 Would you know of anyone, or where I could go for that = information. =20 Thank you.
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFA2C8.B5CC7EA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 11 23:34:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #184 built 2000-Apr-11) X-Path: email.msn.com!crzylynna From: "L. Alchin" To: Subject: Byron's list Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:57:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Byron, Please add me to your forms list also Thanks Lynn In A Glass of It's Own... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 04:06:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #184 built 2000-Apr-11) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Old Kiln Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: See Glass Precedence: bulk Oops! I know better. Here it is in plain text. KSee ----- Original Message ----- From: K See To: glass@bungi.com Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 6:40 AM Subject: Old Kiln Hi everyone, I just acquired a very old slightly used kiln. Here are the stats. It's a Dyna-Kiln, 1826 watts, 110 volts, 16.6 amps, phase 1. It is a top loading and the inside is in like new condition. The cord that is on it is black with white stripes fabric. Has a regular plug. I have contacted the company and all I got from them is that it is 45 years old and to get a experienced kiln owner to look at it. I want to use this for fusing & slumping found glass. I plan on buying a kiln for glass at a later date but this came along for free on Sunday. I went to Lowes on Sunday to look at replacing the cord & plug but this was my problem. They only sell 15 or 20 amp plugs. Also, the cord I have is insulated where the ones they said would/might work are incased in rubber. What steps should I do before I plug this in? Or have I just receive a unique planter? KSee See Glass www.members.xoom.com/kseeglass National Capital Art Glass Guild www.ncagg.org _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 04:09:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #184 built 2000-Apr-11) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Old Kiln Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:40:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: See Glass Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA449.EEE95460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone,=20 I just acquired a very old slightly used kiln. Here are the stats. It's = a Dyna-Kiln, 1826 watts, 110 volts, 16.6 amps, phase 1. It is a top = loading and the inside is in like new condition. The cord that is on it = is black with white stripes fabric. Has a regular plug. I have contacted the company and all I got from them is that it is 45 = years old and to get a experienced kiln owner to look at it. I want to use this for fusing & slumping found glass. I plan on buying a = kiln for glass at a later date but this came along for free on Sunday.=20 I went to Lowes on Sunday to look at replacing the cord & plug but this = was my problem. They only sell 15 or 20 amp plugs. Also, the cord I have = is insulated where the ones they said would/might work are incased in = rubber.=20 What steps should I do before I plug this in? Or have I just receive a = unique planter? KSee See Glass www.members.xoom.com/kseeglass National Capital Art Glass Guild www.ncagg.org ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA449.EEE95460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone, =
I just acquired a very = old slightly=20 used kiln. Here are the stats. It's a Dyna-Kiln, 1826 watts, 110 volts, = 16.6=20 amps, phase 1. It is a top loading and the inside is in like new = condition. The=20 cord that is on it is black with white stripes fabric. Has a regular=20 plug.
 
I have contacted the = company and=20 all I got from them is that it is 45 years old and to get a experienced = kiln=20 owner to look at it.
 
I want to use this for = fusing &=20 slumping found glass. I plan on buying a kiln for glass at a later date = but this=20 came along for free on Sunday.
 
I went to Lowes on = Sunday to look=20 at replacing the cord & plug but this was my problem. They only sell = 15 or=20 20 amp plugs. Also, the cord I have is insulated where the ones they = said=20 would/might work are incased in rubber.
 
What steps should I do = before I=20 plug this in? Or have I just receive a unique planter?
 
National Capital Art = Glass=20 Guild
www.ncagg.org
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA449.EEE95460-- _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 09:37:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:23:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Fw: Old Kiln Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:21:20 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Absolutely replace that cord and plug. You want to get the 20 amp plug. You always go to the next higher amp rating on electrical parts. For the cord, use nothing smaller than 12 gage, I'd suggest 10 gage. The rubber coating that you mention is actually much safer than the cloth cover on your existing cord. Good Luck! Cheryl Lowe GlassLites@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 11:08:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!purpleteddi From: purpleteddi To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: intro, newbee Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm new to glass...well, I've been around someone who does it, but I am now signed up to take a class (5-classes actually), and will be setting up my own corner. I have some (very little) experience cutting/snipping/grinding, but am still a beginner as I've never actually completed a project. Anyway, just wanted to say hi, and I'm hoping to learn a lot and make some friends here. Just wanted to say hi and introduce myself. Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 11:25:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:53:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: kseeglass@netzero.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Old Kiln Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:49:50 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/12/00 4:10:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kseeglass@netzero.net writes: > I have contacted the company and all I got from them is that it is 45 = > years old and to get a experienced kiln owner to look at it. > > I want to use this for fusing & slumping found glass. I plan on buying a = > kiln for glass at a later date but this came along for free on Sunday. You have a great find. I suggest you take it to an appliance repair shop. They will put a new 20 ampere cord on it and hook up the ground wire. Have them check ALL the wiring. My old kiln required new wire from the switches to the elements and yours will too. No big deal to do. Enjoy! Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Al Gore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 11:27:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:05:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: marylou@stainedglassunl.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Stained Glass in central PA Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:04:04 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/11/00 10:34:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, marylou@stainedglassunl.com writes: > HI, I'm looking for someone that makes storm window for on church = > stained glass windows. We are in central PA. Would you know of anyone, = > or where I could go for that information. Thank you. Making protective glass installations for large stained glass windows is more a job for a conventional window glass company than a stained glass studio. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Al Gore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 11:38:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: FW: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:00:39 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/11/00 6:41:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Steve.Fairbairn@nokia.com writes: > > The Nokia give-away is yet another Internet hoax and I suspect this is > too... Anyone that sends it to me will find themselves cooling their heals in my twit filter for 30 days! Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Al Gore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 11:58:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: wood frames Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:22:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk found this on the rec.woodworking newsgroup: I have 20 hard maple frames for auction at ebay. They are 16" x 29 1/2" 3/4" thick unfinished, great for mirrors or whatever. all are perfect condition, I got them from where I work. They were made the wrong size. If you are interested please visit my auction Thank You. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 14:07:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: purpleteddi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: intro, newbee Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:32:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Welcome to the club Chris, I hope it becomes as enjoyable for you as it has for me. Just remember NO RULES try everything. Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 15:09:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:38:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: intro, newbee Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Chris, Welcome nice to meet you. Be sure to take notes in your class, and hunt up either at your library or local stained glass store, a good stained glass reference book, so when your class is done you have something to guide you. Enjoy your class and remember, the class is the starting point and then it is practice practice practice. Good Luck, Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: purpleteddi To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: intro, newbee >Hi, >I'm new to glass...well, I've been around someone who >does it, but I am now signed up to take a class >(5-classes actually), and will be setting up my own >corner. I have some (very little) experience >cutting/snipping/grinding, but am still a beginner as >I've never actually completed a project. > >Anyway, just wanted to say hi, and I'm hoping to learn >a lot and make some friends here. Just wanted to say >hi and introduce myself. > >Chris > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 15:39:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: triton.net!bag7 From: "Barb" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:58:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFA4A8.C5D07FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please take me off any list that you have, I do not need all of the = extra mail. 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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFA4A8.C5D07FE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 16:05:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!l_alchin From: "Lynn Alchin" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Glass Blower Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:56:14 PDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All! I work for a cleaning service p.t., and a team has broken a blown glass wedding cake topper, (like the bottom 2 tiers), and the customer wants us to try to get it repaired. Does ANYONE have ANY KIND of leads??? If you want to e-mail seperate from the group: crzylynna@email.msn.com OR l_alchin@hotmail.com Thanks! L. Alchin >^..^< In A Glass of It's Own... Chandler, AZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 18:41:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: hotglass@list.bb.net, glass@bungi.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Fake ericson phone e-mail chain letter Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk This is right from the Ericsson site, the chain letter is a fake, and I suspect an attempt to build a valid e-mail list. (It says forward all e-mail to > so those sending it around the net are in fact confirming an e-mail address. http://www.Ericsson.com/infocenter/news/Fake_chainletter_hits_Ericsson.html So do not forward if you get this on one of your lists. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 20:34:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: intro,newbee Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome Chris, Hope you are as charmed by this craft as the rest of us. Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 21:04:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #185 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: aol.com!LadyTiffany2 From: LadyTiffany2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:49:40 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please take me off your list. Too many e-mails, not enough time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 12 23:03:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #188 built 2000-Apr-12) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Hi Intro newbee! Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Chris, I wanted to welcome you and let you know that I'm a newbee also! I took my first class last Sept. and now I own my own shop! The only bad thing about stained glass is how addicting it is! I have to force myself out of my workshop sometimes! I hope you find our craft as enjoyable as I do! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 13 09:01:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sarah's Shop Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you for the good comments about my shop! It's scary to start a business, and sometimes I wonder if I'm doing the right thing. My shop is in southern Ohio. I also do calligraphy and am teaching myself to do illumination. I decided to start my studio when I learned stained glass, because I had been giving away my crafts before, but glass supplies are too expensive! My good friend Carolyn told me that if I don't jump in and just do it, I would put it off forever. It is really wonderful for me to have this bungi group to communicate with. I have learned so many things from you all and I really appreciate it! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 13 09:03:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:54:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:51:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following is a press release from Country Sampler's "Country Business" magazine. It is provided as a service to the members of the International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA). Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director ------------------------- Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Country Business forecasts the hottest designs for next year. If there's one word that epitomizes the trend happending in the gift industry today, it's escapism. "Consumers are escaping their everyday lives by purchasing gifts and home decor items reminiscent of their favorite vacation spot or faraway land," says Susan Wagner, editor of "Country Business" magazine. Watch for everything from coastal style and lodge designs to African themes and Indian motifs to dominate the marketplace this year. Retailers looking to capitalize on this trend need look no further than the May 2000 issue of "Country Business" magazine. Inside, the editors preview a selection of trend-worthy products and offer valuable ideas for marketing them in the new millennium. - Nautical-themed items will again be big sellers as manufacturers put seasheels and sand on everything from plates to pillows. -The lodge look is coming out of the woods for summer, especially as Baby Boomers look to decorate a second residence. -With the Arts and Crafts movement booming, expect Mission-style designs to make a strong statement. Along with furniture and lighting, look for small statues and vases fashioned from stained glass. -Insect motifs continue to be the "buzz" around the industry. This season, see colorful butterflies blossom into the "bug of choice" joinging last year's dragonfly. -Evey season has a favorite flower, and this year's preferred perennial will be the old-fashioned hydrangea-a fitting choice as America continues its love affair with nostalgia. -Limoges-style hinged boxes will enjoy a resurgence in today's market. These charming boxes will be available in a wide variety of designs and price ranges that cater to everyone from the casual customer to the serious collector. -The sap bucket is the hottest gift and decorating item around. Look for crushed buckets painted and carved out with writing, or garden angels created from sap buckets. -Feathers are expected to be the next material to add its exotic touch to a wide range of products this year. Designers and decorators have brought features into all areas of home decor including pillows and picture frames. "Country Business" reports on trends twice a year. Launched in 1993, "Country Business" caters to the needs of country gift and accessories retailers. it is published bimonthly by Country Sampler Group, a division of Emmis Publishing LP. Website is www.sampler.com. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 13 09:30:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:02:40 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/12/00 9:06:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, LadyTiffany2@aol.com writes: > Please take me off your list. Too many e-mails, not enough time. Ya know gang, she may have a point. All the requests to the list for forms was sort of silly when it is considered that they were for one person. I try never to send to the list when the information is of value to only a few people. I like to think that sending to the list is like sending E-mails to 400 people, some of whom pay dearly to receive my "words of wisdom." A list cop I am not. I do stick my nose in when I think it will help. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Al Gore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 13 10:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: for byron Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:51:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk i must check email more regular please could i have a copy of your contract form. MS word would be great. thanks a lot charlie "Its just a ride" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 13 11:31:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: agree! Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:59:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk If it is a PRIVATE request, keep it that way............ Way too many posts that have nothing to impart are sent to the list in general. Howard weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 13 17:49:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: ntlworld.com!kaylawrence From: "Kay Lawrence" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Asbestos worry Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:24:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have recently had the good fortune(?) to have been given a small laboratory test furnace (gratis). I haven't used it yet but intend to use it for enamelling and small glass fusing projects.( The chamber measures w.7" x h. 4.5" x d. 14".) Front opening door and an ideal, work-top size to get me started. I wondered what the exterior body was made from and contacted the manufacturer with the enquiry. They confirmed my doubts - it is an asbestos compound. Yet they also assure me that it is perfectly safe to use, providing the casing is not damaged and that I don't cut or drill into it. Any repair work is out of the question since I am unlikely to find anyone who will be prepared to take the casing apart. At the moment it appears to be working OK - does anyone in the group have any knowledge or experience of this type of kiln/furnace? What do you think? - Should I use it or get rid of it fast? Thanks in advance Kay Lawrence ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 13 20:25:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: go.com!the_wright_light From: Mary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: prayers and gloves Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The surgery went great and he is doing fine. Four bypasses and a new valve, Hope to get him out of icu tomorrow. Thanks for all the suggestions on gloves. I know we can overcome this. Maggie ___________________________________________________ GO Network Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 00:30:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass Eye and plotters Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:07:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hey All... Is anyone here using the Glass Eye software with a large format plotter type printer?? If so I would like to know how well it works and how accurate it is etc.. I do 99% of my proposal drawings with Glass Eye and it would save a lot of time to be able to print them out full size without that aggravating tile method... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 02:00:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: "bungi" Subject: Help!!! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:34:55 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello bungians. I need Help! Where to begin, some background info before all the questions. I have been doing Tiffany for about 4 1/2 years. I am getting ready to take on a handful, I love a challenge. We have just bought an old house and are going to basically gut it and do it all over again. Need I say that stained glass is going to go EVERYWHERE! Here is what I am going to do and following are the BIG questions (please excuse some of the termanology I have always done this in Spanish and translating it, it just sometimes doesn't come out right): 1) A small (17 x 60" aprox.) window that will open in that is facing south. Q: A window this size, does is need to be done in lead or can it be Tiffany? Are there any considerations that need to be taken into account with double panneling it because of the heat it will receive because of the location? 2) Small triangle holes are going to be made over each bedroom door and bathrooms to fit small panels, 5 or 6 in total. Q: Once again Lead or Tiffany? I know because of the size that it will be ok in Tiffany. But, I think maybe when my daughter who is presently 3 when she is 13 and going through that wonderful stage in girls lives that she has to run into her room and slam the door every three minutes I might need to do it in lead or maybe just reinforce with lots of copper wire? 3) A bedroom that is going to be converted into a bathroom with a pretty good sized window (97 x 100cm) and the tub is going right by it, it is north facing. There will be a panel put there. The window with panel installed sliding (left and right) with two pieces. Q: a)What would be good glass for privacy but also letting the light in? b)The window store that we are working with suggested for safety purposes and also the cold (it gets cold here in Madrid) to have it vacum sealed between two pieces of glass. That kinda had gone against everything I have every read or heard. What ya think? And, last but not least, I am pulling my hair out trying to find out a place here in Mad. that gives Lead classes and am having absolutely NO luck. Everyone does Tiffany classes but no lead. I am to the point where I guess I am just going to have to find a good book and do some little things through tial and error until I get it right. Can you recommend a GOOD book? Thank you so much. Kira ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 02:13:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: appropriate replying to bungi messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:44:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The simplest way to ensure only those responses that are intended for general consumption get posted to bungi is just to click on *reply* - Glenna set this up a long time ago so that unless you change your computer settings this will produce a reply to the originator NOT the group as a whole. Then if you decide the message should be sent to all on bungi you can just add the bungi address, either in the To: section or the CC: section of the header. If you forget and send a reply initially only to the originator that should have been broadcast to all, you can always send the message again to the group when you realise it was sent incorrectly. This means that though occasionally a reply message might have to be sent twice it is not cluttering bungi up with unnecessary (sp?) messages like "please add me to your personal list". Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 04:03:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #189 built 2000-Apr-13) X-Path: ukonline.co.uk!brian.shepherd From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: appropriate replying to bungi messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:38:59 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Yes but sadly that also ensures that a lot of interesting answers are only viewed by one person and it kills any possibility or evolution of discussion or debate. The small amount of through put on Bungi now makes it virtually worthless as stops it being the superb teaching medium it once was. Of course you can still ask questions but the chance of picking up on something you didn't know you didn't know is now pretty remote! I feel really sorry for the new people who will never know what a great place Bungi used to be or experience the bon homie and good nature that used to abound! It seems to me that the people who don't want to receive any mail are the ones who should unsubscribe. I don't suppose there is much chance of that so I will pre-empt flood of suggestions do so and unsub voluntarily! BtB and it still functions well then but ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: appropriate replying to bungi messages > The simplest way to ensure only those responses that are intended for > general consumption get posted to bungi is just to click on *reply* - Glenna > set this up a long time ago so that unless you change your computer settings > this will produce a reply to the originator NOT the group as a whole. > Then if you decide the message should be sent to all on bungi you can just > add the bungi address, either in the To: section or the CC: section of the > header. > If you forget and send a reply initially only to the originator that should > have been broadcast to all, you can always send the message again to the > group when you realise it was sent incorrectly. > This means that though occasionally a reply message might have to be sent > twice it is not cluttering bungi up with unnecessary (sp?) messages like > "please add me to your personal list". > Regards > EliZabeth in Bournemouth > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 10:00:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Help!!! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:36:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: Kira Mason [mailto:kiram@arrakis.es] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:35 AM > To: bungi > Subject: Help!!! > > > Hello bungians. I need Help! Where to begin, some > background info before > all the questions. > > I have been doing Tiffany for about 4 1/2 years. I am > getting ready to take > on a handful, I love a challenge. We have just bought an old > house and are > going to basically gut it and do it all over again. Need I > say that stained > glass is going to go EVERYWHERE! > > Here is what I am going to do and following are the BIG > questions (please > excuse some of the termanology I have always done this in Spanish and > translating it, it just sometimes doesn't come out right): > > 1) A small (17 x 60" aprox.) window that will open in that > is facing south. > Q: A window this size, does is need to be done in lead or can it be > Tiffany? Are there any considerations that need to be taken > into account > with double panneling it because of the heat it will receive > because of the > location? you can make any size panel you want using either method, as you have to reinforce it somehow no matter what method you use. read up on reinforcements and how to do this. you'd probably need at least 2 pieces of rebar across the 17" dimension for strength. > 2) Small triangle holes are going to be made over each > bedroom door and > bathrooms to fit small panels, 5 or 6 in total. > Q: Once again Lead or Tiffany? I know because of the size > that it will be > ok in Tiffany. But, I think maybe when my daughter who is > presently 3 when > she is 13 and going through that wonderful stage in girls > lives that she has > to run into her room and slam the door every three minutes I > might need to > do it in lead or maybe just reinforce with lots of copper wire? pick the method depending upon how you want it to look, not strength. lead will give a more smooth and traditional look. > 3) A bedroom that is going to be converted into a bathroom > with a pretty > good sized window (97 x 100cm) and the tub is going right by > it, it is north > facing. There will be a panel put there. The window with > panel installed > sliding (left and right) with two pieces. > Q: a)What would be good glass for privacy but also letting > the light in? i like using spectrum waterglass or glue-chip for privacy but maximum light transmission. > b)The window store that we are working with suggested for safety > purposes and also the cold (it gets cold here in Madrid) to > have it vacum > sealed between two pieces of glass. That kinda had gone > against everything > I have every read or heard. What ya think? i would put a sheet of plain glass on the outside, frame it inside and out, put the glass panel inside that, and then frame it again. > And, last but not least, I am pulling my hair out trying to > find out a place > here in Mad. that gives Lead classes and am having absolutely NO luck. > Everyone does Tiffany classes but no lead. I am to the > point where I guess > I am just going to have to find a good book and do some little things > through tial and error until I get it right. Can you > recommend a GOOD book? just find some shop that does this, and stand there watching them for an hour when they do each phase: cutting is pretty much the same except you cut each piece a little smaller (leaving more space for the lead came heart), cutting the lead and building the panel, puttying, and cleanup. > Thank you so much. > Kira regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 10:00:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Asbestos worry Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:22:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk the manufacturer is correct. asbestos is pretty safe as long as it doesn't get airborne. if it's sealed away in something: casing, floor tiles, etc, then as long as you don't cut into it, it's ok. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: Kay Lawrence [mailto:kaylawrence@ntlworld.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:24 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Asbestos worry I have recently had the good fortune(?) to have been given a small laboratory test furnace (gratis). I haven't used it yet but intend to use it for enamelling and small glass fusing projects.( The chamber measures w.7" x h. 4.5" x d. 14".) Front opening door and an ideal, work-top size to get me started. I wondered what the exterior body was made from and contacted the manufacturer with the enquiry. They confirmed my doubts - it is an asbestos compound. Yet they also assure me that it is perfectly safe to use, providing the casing is not damaged and that I don't cut or drill into it. Any repair work is out of the question since I am unlikely to find anyone who will be prepared to take the casing apart. At the moment it appears to be working OK - does anyone in the group have any knowledge or experience of this type of kiln/furnace? What do you think? - Should I use it or get rid of it fast? Thanks in advance Kay Lawrence ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 10:24:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:53:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I must agree with Brian. When I have posted questions to Bunji I have gotten great replies from people!! But it has been sent to me alone. That prevents the learning for other people. Lots of times people ask questions that I am interested in and I wait to here a reply but inevitably I never see it because it was probably sent to the individual person. I have been on other groups that group the messages into one email. Why can't this happen here? That way it is one email received and people can open the ones they want. I joined Bunji after the software change but even in that short time I have noticed a marked change of the list. There used to be alot more emails to the list I could learn "new things" that I wouldn't have "known" to ask. There are times when the emails NEED to be sent to the person personally but usually not. If the list was set up the other way then it automatically goes to the "list" and it is an extra step to send it only to the person. But it does need to be grouped then so people don't get bombarded with lots of email and get frustrated. Just my opinion! Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 10:32:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:21:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Kay Lawrence Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Asbestos worry Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:14:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Kay Lawrence wrote: > I have recently had the good fortune(?) to have been given a small > laboratory test furnace (gratis). I haven't used it yet but intend to > use > it for enamelling and small glass fusing projects.( The chamber measures > w.7" x h. 4.5" x d. 14".) Front opening door and an ideal, work-top > size to > get me started. > > I wondered what the exterior body was made from and contacted the > manufacturer with the enquiry. They confirmed my doubts - it is an > asbestos > compound. Yet they also assure me that it is perfectly safe to use, > providing the casing is not damaged and that I don't cut or drill into > it. > Any repair work is out of the question since I am unlikely to find > anyone > who will be prepared to take the casing apart. > > At the moment it appears to be working OK - does anyone in the group > have > any knowledge or experience of this type of kiln/furnace? > What do you think? - Should I use it or get rid of it fast? Hi Kay, Asbestos is not radioactive nor is it deadly toxic. It is a cheap, abundant, and widely distributed mineral with many desirable properties. Asbestos was used a great deal *because* it was cheap and abundant until it was discovered that airborne asbestos fibers *can* cause medical problems (cause cancer) primarily to those working around the material every day without proper protection (inhalation masks). Only the airborne fibers will cause problems IF they are introduced into your body through the lungs ... and even then only if in sufficient quantity and sufficiently often and in susceptible individuals. What the mfg told you is correct ... just use the furnace *as is* without modification of any type and you should be OK. To get rid of the furnace, you will have to contact ... well ... I'm not sure where you live, but the local US-EPA office should be able to advise you ... their number should be in the phone book. In any case, if you decide to get rid of it, you shouldn't just dump it in the local dumpster or let your trash hauling service take it away as regular garbage. Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 11:02:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: ETINTERNET.NET!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Eye and plotters Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:01:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Byron, There is a local shop that does this and I have had several panels done this way and it was very accurate. Wish I had one myself since I just purchased Glass Eye. Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 12:02:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Connie Bartel , glass Subject: Re: messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:33:40 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > > There are times when the emails NEED to be sent to the person personally but > usually not. If the list was set up the other way then it automatically > goes to the "list" > and it is an extra step to send it only to the person. But it does need to > be grouped > then so people don't get bombarded with lots of email and get frustrated. It was set up this way originally and there were alot more messages floating around that others didn't want to read. Common sense has it that if it is related to glass - post to the group. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 12:31:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: bigvalley.net!anyways From: "Linda" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re:messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:03:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This may not be a permanent solution, but I think it would help. If the answer to a question never shows up on the list I think I would reply to the person that sent the question that intrigued me, and ask them to post the answer(s) that they received. Linda W. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 14:30:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: Linda Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re:messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Linda wrote: > This may not be a permanent solution, but I think it would help. If the > answer to a question never shows up on the list I think I would reply to the > person that sent the question that intrigued me, and ask them to post the > answer(s) that they received. > Linda W. A question that has always intrigued me is: Is it right to post an email received privately to a public forum? If the original sender had wanted it sent to the public forum he/she would have sent it to the forum. What do others think, should email received privately by forwarded to a public forum, like Bungi? Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 15:00:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: att.net!r.wickline From: "Rebecca Wickline" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: re:stained glass people Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <20000414213343.KXWX9725.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@[12.79.246.34]> Precedence: bulk I forgot who sent the quote about stained glass people, but I want to thank you. I just thought it was so nice. I work in a highschool and one of the art teachers did a beautiful caligraphy of it and I just matted and framed it. It is so nice. I can't decide where to put it. In my workshop for my inspiration or near a piece of stained glass I've made for everyone's inspiration. Thanks again. -- Becky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 16:07:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:38:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: Re:messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:34:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Jim: Probably not, but there is no way to stop someone from doing what they wish on the internet. It has happened once in a while, when someone gets a less than desireable e-mail from someone on a list, and they post it to the list to show how a person shows their true colors. But in the 6 years that I have been on the internet I have only seen it a couple of times. Bottom line what you and I think is "right" may not be what someone else thinks is "right." So we go with the flow or just be upset all the time. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gonzalez To: Linda Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: Re:messages >On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Linda wrote: > >> This may not be a permanent solution, but I think it would help. If the >> answer to a question never shows up on the list I think I would reply to the >> person that sent the question that intrigued me, and ask them to post the >> answer(s) that they received. >> Linda W. > >A question that has always intrigued me is: > >Is it right to post an email received privately to a public forum? > >If the original sender had wanted it sent to the public forum he/she would >have sent it to the forum. What do others think, should email received >privately by forwarded to a public forum, like Bungi? > >Jim > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 16:15:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Kira Mason" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Help!!! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kira Mason [mailto:kiram@arrakis.es] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:35 AM > To: bungi > Subject: Help!!! > > > Hello bungians. I need Help! Where to begin, some background info before > all the questions. > > I have been doing Tiffany for about 4 1/2 years. I am getting > ready to take > on a handful, I love a challenge. We have just bought an old > house and are > going to basically gut it and do it all over again. Need I say > that stained > glass is going to go EVERYWHERE! > doing tiffany huh... pretty good since he's been dead for so long... :) > Here is what I am going to do and following are the BIG questions (please > excuse some of the termanology I have always done this in Spanish and > translating it, it just sometimes doesn't come out right): > > 1) A small (17 x 60" aprox.) window that will open in that is > facing south. > Q: A window this size, does is need to be done in lead or can it be > Tiffany? Are there any considerations that need to be taken into account > with double panneling it because of the heat it will receive > because of the > location? foil can be used, it would be floppy either way. if it's the only window, then i'd use lead. mainly because you can make it weather tight, the frame should keep it stable, as long as it doesn't break when you install it. > > 2) Small triangle holes are going to be made over each bedroom door and > bathrooms to fit small panels, 5 or 6 in total. > Q: Once again Lead or Tiffany? I know because of the size that > it will be > ok in Tiffany. But, I think maybe when my daughter who is presently 3 when > she is 13 and going through that wonderful stage in girls lives > that she has > to run into her room and slam the door every three minutes I might need to > do it in lead or maybe just reinforce with lots of copper wire? > i would make it with foil. it will flex either way. if it's in the same house as the other window, came may match better. but it's still lead, and still a possibility of lead poisoning. especially after installing it. the vibratioon may not be a problem, but the sudden shift in air pressure, may be a problem. in which you would need a verticle reinforcement of some kind. though since it's triangle it may not be a problem. > 3) A bedroom that is going to be converted into a bathroom with a pretty > good sized window (97 x 100cm) and the tub is going right by it, > it is north > facing. There will be a panel put there. The window with panel installed > sliding (left and right) with two pieces. > Q: a)What would be good glass for privacy but also letting the light in? > b)The window store that we are working with suggested for safety > purposes and also the cold (it gets cold here in Madrid) to have it vacum > sealed between two pieces of glass. That kinda had gone against > everything > I have every read or heard. What ya think? > thermo payne is kind of expensive, it would be better if the glass was infront of the window (your side). since it's right next to the bathtub, it may get chilly... as for glass... try youghiogheny stipple, kind of soothing actually. a semi dark (like blue, purple, etc), water glass may be good for parts. or any kind of heavy ripple. like you could have uroboros ripple clear for a backround (though that may be a little busy), with a small flower in one corner, or along the edges. > And, last but not least, I am pulling my hair out trying to find > out a place > here in Mad. that gives Lead classes and am having absolutely NO luck. > Everyone does Tiffany classes but no lead. I am to the point > where I guess > I am just going to have to find a good book and do some little things > through tial and error until I get it right. Can you recommend a > GOOD book? books, no... videos, try the vicki payne series. > > Thank you so much. > Kira > > ---Mike Savad > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 16:53:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:07:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk the problem is, no one will remember to do that, some of the messages may have been posted already. then there are more things that other's may not want to read. it's a listserv, it's designed like a room where people can join all the conversations, or just listen. but when people start dividing up, going home to chat, in a car, basement, closet, etc... it no longer becomes an active group. it becomes more like a newsgroup. and the whole point is lost. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda [mailto:anyways@bigvalley.net] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:04 PM > To: Bungi List > Subject: Re:messages > > > This may not be a permanent solution, but I think it would help. If the > answer to a question never shows up on the list I think I would > reply to the > person that sent the question that intrigued me, and ask them to post the > answer(s) that they received. > Linda W. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 18:06:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:44:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: ic24.net!glasworks.glasgow From: glassworks glasgow To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Asbestos worry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 01:40:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Charlie On 14-Apr-00, you wrote: > the manufacturer is correct. asbestos is pretty safe as long as it doesn't > get airborne. if it's sealed away in something: casing, floor tiles, etc, > then as long as you don't cut into it, it's ok. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kay Lawrence [mailto:kaylawrence@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:24 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Asbestos worry > > > I have recently had the good fortune(?) to have been given a small > laboratory test furnace (gratis). I haven't used it yet but intend to > use > it for enamelling and small glass fusing projects.( The chamber measures > w.7" x h. 4.5" x d. 14".) Front opening door and an ideal, work-top > size to > get me started. > > I wondered what the exterior body was made from and contacted the > manufacturer with the enquiry. They confirmed my doubts - it is an > asbestos > compound. Yet they also assure me that it is perfectly safe to use, > providing the casing is not damaged and that I don't cut or drill into > it. > Any repair work is out of the question since I am unlikely to find > anyone > who will be prepared to take the casing apart. > > At the moment it appears to be working OK - does anyone in the group > have > any knowledge or experience of this type of kiln/furnace? > What do you think? - Should I use it or get rid of it fast? > > Thanks in advance > > Kay Lawrence > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Regards Dear Kay you are asking the wrong people, bungi people are not experts in health and safety. They are makers who have made glass for varying amounts of time- some of us are professionals and some are hobbyists. Also do not take the word of a manufacturer as gospel. Go for lots of second opinions, ie contact Universities, chemistry and physics departments, and ask them about abestos. Ask them about heat erosion. Asbestos is like most materials, as it expands and contracts particles break off and go into the atmosphere(heat does this). This you breathe in. Asbestos knows no national boundaries- it has the ability to kill anywhere. But on the same note the new insulation materials for modern kilns have yet to prove how dangerous that they are. The kill rate has yet to be announced (20 years will probably suffice) . The romantic notion of stained glass is a mere patina, it is and should be considered a dangerous pursuit, not only for the maker, but for the people aroundabout. I have seen a website recently that describes acid processes that can not only be described as both dangerous and potentially illegal in this country but cavalier in their approach(even dilute Hydrofluroic acid should never go down the sink and into the sewage system, poor wee fish suffociate,never mind the bone cancer danger to humans,acid mist carries a long way). We all like to consider ourselves experts in our field, and I suppose if we sound plausable enough for long enough then a lot of people listen. When it comes to your personal safety cast a very wide net. We have and do, and this is always the advice that we give to people. Also contact your local environmental people and ask then for advice on filtering your kilns emmissions, because what you put out other people get (you get it also). With a kiln you have the unfortunate ability to create all sorts of chemical hazards so beware but also enjoy! Joe Boyle & Yvonne Smith Ps just back in from pub so spelling might be loose, but too important a subject to ignore! JB ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 19:30:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: messages Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:55:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk not just that, but people tend to respond to a response, and may send it to the wrong person all together, then not only doesn't the list see the answer, but neither does the original person. and the odd person who get's the message doesn't care and deletes it.... i liked the old way better. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: Connie Bartel [mailto:BLUEHERON@etinternet.net] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:53 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: messages > > > I must agree with Brian. When I have posted questions to Bunji I have > gotten great replies > from people!! But it has been sent to me alone. > > That prevents the learning for other people. > Lots of times people ask questions that I am interested in and I wait to > here a reply > but inevitably I never see it because it was probably sent to the > individual person. > > I have been on other groups that group > the messages into one email. Why can't this happen here? That way it is > one email > received and people can open the ones they want. I joined Bunji after the > software > change but even in that short time I have noticed a marked change of the > list. There used > to be alot more emails to the list I could learn "new things" that I > wouldn't have "known" to ask. > > There are times when the emails NEED to be sent to the person > personally but > usually not. If the list was set up the other way then it automatically > goes to the "list" > and it is an extra step to send it only to the person. But it does need to > be grouped > then so people don't get bombarded with lots of email and get frustrated. > Just my opinion! > Connie > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 20:06:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:58:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: one.net!gwood To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: messages Date: Fri Apr 14 19:57:49 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Coming out of the wood work (so to speak) on this one. I have to agree with Mike. I would rather reply to the list. I don't mind a raft of E-mails myself. I would like to throw out the suggestion that all items sent to the list have BUNGI: as the first thing in the subject. I'm on multiple lists & the ones that have an identifier in the subject makes it much easier to tell where it came from. (Would make filtering any BUNGI spam terribly easy. If it's from BUNGI and doesn't have BUNGI in the subject line, in to the bit bucket it goes.) In addition, maybe the BUNGI server could automatically add some 'header' information with a mailto:(sender). If I hit 'reply' it goes to the list. If I click on the sender mailto:, it only goes to them. More than once I've replied and forgotten to readdress to BUNGI. Oh well. I'm also willing to admit I'm an idiot. So... Crawling back into the wood work. -G ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Savad To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: RE: messages > not just that, but people tend to respond to a response, and may send it to > the wrong person all together, then not only doesn't the list see the > answer, but neither does the original person. and the odd person who get's > the message doesn't care and deletes it.... i liked the old way better. > > > ---Mike Savad > > > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated > info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's > of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Connie Bartel [mailto:BLUEHERON@etinternet.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:53 PM > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: messages > > > > > > I must agree with Brian. When I have posted questions to Bunji I have > > gotten great replies > > from people!! But it has been sent to me alone. > > > > That prevents the learning for other people. > > Lots of times people ask questions that I am interested in and I wait to > > here a reply > > but inevitably I never see it because it was probably sent to the > > individual person. > > > > I have been on other groups that group > > the messages into one email. Why can't this happen here? That way it is > > one email > > received and people can open the ones they want. I joined Bunji after the > > software > > change but even in that short time I have noticed a marked change of the > > list. There used > > to be alot more emails to the list I could learn "new things" that I > > wouldn't have "known" to ask. > > > > There are times when the emails NEED to be sent to the person > > personally but > > usually not. If the list was set up the other way then it automatically > > goes to the "list" > > and it is an extra step to send it only to the person. But it does need to > > be grouped > > then so people don't get bombarded with lots of email and get frustrated. > > Just my opinion! > > Connie > > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 21:49:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Business cards Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:27:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Ann, Thank you so much for sending the great pictures! I really appreciate all the help I get here on bungi! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 22:00:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Messages Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:37:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Jim, That IS an interesting question. I feel that if the personal message was related to a glass or technique question, then it would be fine to publicly post the message. If it's personal, or just plain grousing about fellow bunjians, then it should be kept private. Personally, I just delete the ones that are not relevant to my interests, and keep the important ones on file. I'm new to bungi, and am sometimes confused on whether a comment I make should be posted publicly or privately. Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 14 23:51:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: thesilvers.com!eric From: "Eric Silver" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Homeowner Insurance / Business Insurance / Warm Glass Info needed! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:39:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk We have turned our garage into a warm glass shop which consists of 3 electrical kilns. I am somewhat concerned about what all these kilns and the fact that we create our art glass piece for sale within our private residence. The garage/studio is attached to the home. P.S. We would also like to provide classes in our studio as well. Problem is we are having a hell of a time securing insurance coverage to protect our home and personal belonging. Any idea on where I can find an insurance policy that will cover for this kind of utilisation. Has it been a problem for anyone to get this insurance coverage? Eric Silver ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 00:21:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: bigvalley.net!anyways From: "Linda" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE:,RE;message Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:04:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk > Hi Jim, > That IS an interesting question. I feel that if the personal message was > related to a glass or technique question, then it would be fine to publicly > post the message. If it's personal, or just plain grousing about fellow > bunjians, then it should be kept private. Personally, I just delete the ones > that are not relevant to my interests, and keep the important ones on file. > I'm new to bungi, and am sometimes confused on whether a comment I make > should be posted publicly or privately. > Sarah That was really all I meant about asking them to post the answer. I didn't realize that there were personal conversations being posted as I haven't been on this list very long. I was only referring to non-personal instruction type e-mails. Linda W. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 05:00:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: ukonline.co.uk!brian.shepherd From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: messages Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:52:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I have to agree with Mike! Bungi is dying before our very eyes. Some people complained about the level of messages and I'm not privy to the statistics of course - but it is usually only the people who are unhappy who say anything in these situations - those who are content had no reason to speak! As I recall there was a lot of slapping down going on that was really unpleasant. Well good news - the flaming has been cured!!!! Well no - actually it hasn't. I have seen some pretty acidic remarks made since - wholly unjustified as well. Ok Glenna owns the list and what happens here is up to her but then not a lot actually does happen around here does it - which really is my point! Frankly when I made posted my last letter I was expecting to get a bit of a toasting but I had one nice private message and just a flutter of items on list. Wake up guys Bungi might already be dead! BtB ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 05:02:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: messages Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:58:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone One more Newbe response.... As I said before, I look forward to reading my Bungi mail each day. I have a delete key, and I know how to use it, and I would rather have all the messages sent to the list... There are some questions or remarks that should be left to a personal e-mail, but as a hole this is a very responsible group. I am on a group for disabled veterans; now that's where you see some off the wall responses. I myself am thankful that there is a place like this one to turn to with my questions, or just sit back and read what others have to say. You are a great group... Lee tollett daver!one.net!gwood wrote: > Coming out of the wood work (so to speak) on this one. > I have to agree with Mike. I would rather reply to the list. > > I don't mind a raft of E-mails myself. I would like to throw > out the suggestion that all items sent to the list have BUNGI: > as the first thing in the subject. I'm on multiple lists & the ones > that have an identifier in the subject makes it much easier to > tell where it came from. (Would make filtering any BUNGI spam > terribly easy. If it's from BUNGI and doesn't have BUNGI in the > subject line, in to the bit bucket it goes.) > > In addition, maybe the BUNGI server could automatically add > some 'header' information with a mailto:(sender). If I hit 'reply' > it goes to the list. If I click on the sender mailto:, it only goes to > them. > > More than once I've replied and forgotten to readdress to BUNGI. > Oh well. I'm also willing to admit I'm an idiot. So... > > Crawling back into the wood work. > > -G > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Savad > To: > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:42 PM > Subject: RE: messages > > > not just that, but people tend to respond to a response, and may send it > to > > the wrong person all together, then not only doesn't the list see the > > answer, but neither does the original person. and the odd person who get's > > the message doesn't care and deletes it.... i liked the old way better. > > > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > > > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, > updated > > info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's > > of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Connie Bartel [mailto:BLUEHERON@etinternet.net] > > > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:53 PM > > > To: glass@bungi.com > > > Subject: messages > > > > > > > > > I must agree with Brian. When I have posted questions to Bunji I have > > > gotten great replies > > > from people!! But it has been sent to me alone. > > > > > > That prevents the learning for other people. > > > Lots of times people ask questions that I am interested in and I wait to > > > here a reply > > > but inevitably I never see it because it was probably sent to the > > > individual person. > > > > > > I have been on other groups that group > > > the messages into one email. Why can't this happen here? That way it is > > > one email > > > received and people can open the ones they want. I joined Bunji after > the > > > software > > > change but even in that short time I have noticed a marked change of the > > > list. There used > > > to be alot more emails to the list I could learn "new things" that I > > > wouldn't have "known" to ask. > > > > > > There are times when the emails NEED to be sent to the person > > > personally but > > > usually not. If the list was set up the other way then it automatically > > > goes to the "list" > > > and it is an extra step to send it only to the person. But it does need > to > > > be grouped > > > then so people don't get bombarded with lots of email and get > frustrated. > > > Just my opinion! > > > Connie > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 06:08:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: glassworks glasgow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Asbestos worry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:00:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk glassworks glasgow wrote: > Dear Kay you are asking the wrong people, bungi people are not experts in > health and safety. They are makers who have made glass for varying amounts > of time- some of us are professionals and some are hobbyists. Hi Joe Boyle, You are entitled to your opinion about technical matters, in this case whether unexposed asbestos insulation encased in some solid material in an existing oven is safe or not. You are not entitled to air your misinformed "opinion" about the qualifications of people you do not know beans about. I know for a fact that you do not know ME or my qualifications so any statement you make is by defintion made from a state of zero information (a state of zero information is as nice a way to put it as I can think of). I further doubt you know much, if anything, about Mr. Spitzer. There are some highly qualified people in various subject areas on this mailing list, most of whom do not parade around waving their credentials like a flag-waving patriot. If I were in your shoes ... in the future I'd be more careful of what I say when characterizing other people, particularly when you do not know them. Regards .... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 06:38:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:30:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Homeowner Insurance / Business Insurance / Warm Glass Info Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:29:55 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 23:39 14/04/00 -0700, Eric wrote: >Problem is we are having a hell of a time securing insurance coverage to >protect our home and personal belonging. > >Any idea on where I can find an insurance policy that will cover for this >kind of utilisation. > >Has it been a problem for anyone to get this insurance coverage? I cant speak for the situation in other countries but here in the UK we know of several people who have found it impossible to get commercial insurance such as would be sensible to have cover for - as relying on normal home insurance cover could lead to losing the lot if there was cause for a claim against them. Problems have been found in the following areas for which it was difficult to get insurance cover at home. 1. Injury claims by paying students doing classes on non-commercial premises 2. Personal injury caused by hazardous materials/toxic chemicals/equipment on non-commercial premises 3. Improper disposal of hazardous waste 4. Nonconformity to local health and safety regulations for commercial premises 5. Damage to buildings and environment/passers by caused by all the above 6. Encouraging strangers into your home may nullify your own personal effects insurance There are many other considerations that might lead the hobbyist working at home and wanting to expand into full time work to get planning permission to have purpose built premises not attached to the house which can be covered by commercial insurance and would come under the auspices of the relevant health/safety departments for advice and inspection. Otherwise perhaps explore the feasibility of renting commercial premises to work from. The following para is not aimed at Eric who has already realised the problems but towards anyone else thinking of offering classes from home. My comments above might seem like overkill but it is reckless to rely on the hope that *my household insurance will cover me - and anyway none of my students would take me to court if they were injured at classes*. Even if customers and students visiting your home appear friendly and appreciative it only needs one friend/spouse/parent to encourage an injured person to visit a no win - no fee law firm and you could lose everything you have worked so hard for! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 06:52:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Eric/Homeowner's insurance Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Eric, I have been up against this problem also. Find a good independent insurance agent that works with at least 15-20 companies. Right now I have my shop next to the house and do not have people coming and going. I am showing elsewhere. I also am doing straight stained glass -no kilns. If my equipment and supplies were destroyed I would not be covered without a separate business policy. Also if you have workers or people coming to the shop then you must also carry liability. My understanding is that 2 separate policies are needed for sure in this situation to protect your home and your business separately. That also means clear designation between what space is business and what is your residence. I have friends that are potters and they work out of their garage but for clear deliniation they put a separate electric meter on the house for the shop That way it is clear to the IRS too. Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 08:00:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #190 built 2000-Apr-14) X-Path: aol.com!Katblue From: Katblue@aol.com To: expinglass@cybertrails.com, suzy@comcat.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Gloria Fohr - Southwest Expressions Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:52:20 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk You are listed in this site... http://www.bungi.com/glass/d igest-9706 This is what the article says about you: >From owner-glass Sun May 4 12:18:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wO6n7-0000kua; Sun, 4 May 97 12:17 PDT X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: German Pattern Shears/Bird Pattern Date: Sun, 4 May 97 15:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <199705041917.PAA27187@uz.comcat.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> Also, I am looking for a fairly large (18x24)? or so 'Eagle or Owl' >showing both wings or just 1 from the side, Pattern. Wayne, I did a quick look through my pattern books. Maybe one of these will help: 1. Judy Miller, House Tours, p. 78 Eagle 2. Mark & Susan Walton, 200 Design Ideas for Stained Glass, several eagles, one full-size at back of book inside an oval 3. Carolyn Relei, Bird Designs, Owl p. 30, Eagle p. 28, 4. Judy Miller, Birds & Flowers, Owl p. 78 5. Allen Kenoyer Glass, Pattern Book 3, Eagle p. 35 6. Judy Miller, House Tours International, Eagle p. 97 7. Art Glass Images, Thomas Morin,II, Owls p. 63 & 41, Eagles p. 38 & 39 8. Judy Miller, House Tours II, Eagle p. 40 9. Gloria Fohr, Southwest Expressions, Eagle p.44 and last, but not least, 10. Renee Martig, Inspired by Nature, 3 Owls p.49, Owl p.40, Eagles p.12 & 13 I'll bet you never thought you'd be mentioned in the same article as Judy Miller, Renee Martig... WOWOWOW!!! You're FAMOUS!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 11:27:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Homeowner Insurance / Business Insurance / Warm Glas Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:10:40 +0000 Message-ID: <200004151815.OAA02144@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I cant speak for the situation in other countries but here in the UK > we know of several people who have found it impossible to get > commercial insurance such as would be sensible to have cover for - > as relying on normal home insurance cover could lead to losing the > lot if there was cause for a claim against them. Here in the U.S. I've personally found that State Farm (believe it or don't) is suprisingly flexible and affordable. Yes, you do have to carry more than one policy ... an umbrella provides business coverage, liability and losses, while under that umbrella your homeowner insurance covers the usual. At least that's what I found in the past. Here in Massachusetts, which isn't a particularly insurance-friendly state (the companies leave 'cause they can't make any money under the rules), I don't think State Farm will write policies, but elsewhere I've had their coverage. Check that out. But even here in Massachusetts we've managed to get business liability written and it's not terribly expensive (compared to the cost of defending a suit, that is), so as has been suggested, check with independent agents ... and don't give up. Just keep looking 'til you find it. > anyway none of my students would take me to court if they were > injured at classes*. Absolutely! If someone hurts themself badly, no matter how nice they might seem, when the medical bills start rolling in, you'll definitely hear from them or their lawyer, never fear. The U.S. is a particularly lawsuit-happy country, to be sure, but if someone's been hurt badly, even *you would want to make things right ... and making things right out of your own pocket could put you in the poorhouse and possibly even in jail (watch those toxic items glass people work with!). As soon as you involve people in the business equation, whether employees or customers, you open up enormous potential liability issues. So it's wise to protect yourself, IMHO. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 11:58:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:21:27 -0700 Message-ID: <20000415182610.OIPI15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a> Precedence: bulk Hello Gang, I'm doing a small panel that includes one large black and white cow. I'll be painting her eyes on with Color Magic. My question is: When do I paint the eyes.. before or after I wax the panel??? Can I wax after painting the eyes or will the buffing/polishing of the wax rub the paint off ?? Or if I wax it first, will the paint stick or just bead off because of the wax ??? Thanks, Lorley/Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 14:01:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: When to wax Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:44:09 +0000 Message-ID: <200004152048.QAA11851@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > question is: When do I paint the eyes.. before or after I wax the > panel??? Can I wax after painting the eyes or will the > buffing/polishing of the wax rub the paint off ?? I'm curious. Why are you waxing the panel? It's certainly not necessary as a method of protecting anything about it. Do you just like it shiny? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 15:00:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Homeowner Insurance / Business Insurance / Warm Glas Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:43:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200004151815.OAA02144@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > anyway none of my students would take me to court if they were > > injured at classes*. > > Absolutely! If someone hurts themself badly, no matter how nice they > might seem, when the medical bills start rolling in, you'll definitely > hear from them or their lawyer, never fear. The U.S. is a particularly > lawsuit-happy country, to be sure, but if someone's been hurt badly, > even *you would want to make things right ... and making things right > out of your own pocket could put you in the poorhouse and possibly > even in jail (watch those toxic items glass people work with!). As > soon as you involve people in the business equation, whether employees > or customers, you open up enormous potential liability issues. So it's > wise to protect yourself, IMHO. Let me second that opinion from Albert ... with a minor addition. The situation regarding lawsuits here in the USA is QUITE different from that of other countries. Having lived abroad for a very long time, including being an "expert witness" in a number of cases, and also with extensive travelling, I have some basis for this opinion. Further, despite all the bad things you non-Americans have heard about the American legal system, let me assure you, its even worse than that. Since more than half of all the attorneys/lawyers in the entire world are produced by and remain in the USA, this situation is not surprising. Also, some of you may need to consider product liability insurance. That is, if you sell someone a piece of glass, and it falls down, breaks, and hurts them in any way during, say, an earthquake or tornado, rainstorm, etc ... even if the piece was badly placed, poorly hung, or whatever ... then you could be liable to compensate them both for their medical expenses as well as other damages both physical and psychological. Product liability insurance is for these types of situations. Don't regard this as something merely for rich corporate manufacturers as once a lawyer gets his greedy little hands on a personal injury suit, its simply AMAZING how things can get twisted. Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 16:01:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: aol.com!GlassRtst From: GlassRtst@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: When to wax Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:31:25 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I've never had a problem with waxing after using color magic... that stuff stays on really well! Lots of people like to use Kem Pro on their projects after their finished... especially to shine up the solder lines. Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 16:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: waxing Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:17:05 -0700 Message-ID: <20000415222149.QKIT15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a> Precedence: bulk Yes Albert, I wax everything I make in foiled stained glass. I do like the shiny buffed appearance of the glass and the wax shines up the solder lines every so slightly..It looks so clean after I'm done buffing. Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 16:13:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: ntlworld.com!kaylawrence From: "Kay Lawrence" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Asbestos worry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:50:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'd like to thank everyone that responded on this topic. Having studied Environmental Systems at college I'm aware of the text-book views on this stuff but have no actual experience of it. I chose to ask Bungi members because although I've never owned a kiln before, I realise the material must have been widely used in older kilns. I'm sure there's a lot of experience and wisdom amongst the group and was keen to learn how you deal with asbestos in this situation. I anticipated a range of views and really value your opinions - all of them! Thanks again Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 16:33:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Lorley Oneyear" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000415182610.OIPI15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk do it after you wax it, only clean the waxed section wil alchohol first. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorley Oneyear [mailto:lorley@home.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 2:21 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Gatewayed mail message > > > Hello Gang, I'm doing a small panel that includes one large black > and white > cow. I'll be painting her eyes on with Color Magic. My question is: When > do I paint the eyes.. before or after I wax the panel??? Can I wax after > painting the eyes or will the buffing/polishing of the wax rub the paint > off ?? Or if I wax it first, will the paint stick or just bead off because > of the wax ??? > > Thanks, Lorley/Phoenix > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 17:05:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: email.msn.com!crzylynna From: "L. Alchin" To: Subject: Re: messages Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:13:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hi all- I agree with Glenna. There is more useful email for all of us, than there are responses we don't need, or care to read. If a person WANTS to be responded to, or another wants to respond to a post privately, then that should be that person's progative, NOT the group as a hole. Lynn Alchin >^..^< In A Glass of It's Own... Chandler, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 17:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #191 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: email.msn.com!crzylynna From: "L. Alchin" To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Need a glassblower Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:16:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02AF_01BFA6F5.EA7E3040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey-=20 Does anybody have any idea where I can find a glass blower? I work for a cleaning service p.t., and a team of girls broke the = bottom piece off of a customer's blown glass wedding cake topper, and = she would like us to get it fixed if it all possible. Please let me know! Lynn Announcing Your message here ------=_NextPart_000_02AF_01BFA6F5.EA7E3040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_02AF_01BFA6F5.EA7E3040-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 20:04:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #192 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "Eric Silver" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Homeowner Insurance / Business Insurance / Warm Glass Info needed! Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:36:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Eric you may have to get more than one policy to get all the coverage you need.. My studio is at my home in a workshop but I have no customers or employees here at all ( I take all samples,laptop etc to the customer).. I have Farmers Insurance on my home and was able to get an additional $10,000 worth of property loss coverage to cover my glass,tools etc for only about $30 per year... They just called it a home business rider or something like that... I also carry a $500,000 general business liability policy to keep the ambulance chasers away from me.. One thing to remember about business type insurance policies is the more employees you have the higher the premiums.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Silver To: Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:39 AM Subject: Homeowner Insurance / Business Insurance / Warm Glass Info needed! > We have turned our garage into a warm glass shop which consists of 3 > electrical kilns. > > I am somewhat concerned about what all these kilns and the fact that we > create our art glass piece for sale within our private residence. > > The garage/studio is attached to the home. > > P.S. We would also like to provide classes in our studio as well. > > Problem is we are having a hell of a time securing insurance coverage to > protect our home and personal belonging. > > Any idea on where I can find an insurance policy that will cover for this > kind of utilisation. > > Has it been a problem for anyone to get this insurance coverage? > > Eric Silver > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 15 21:47:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #195 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glassblower Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Lynn, I don't know exactly what kind of blown glass you are meaning, but I do know that Kokomo Glass in Indiana does glass-blowing, also they may know of someone closer to your area. Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 01:19:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #195 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kira Mason , glass@bungi.com Subject: Help!!! (various windows in house) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:38:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I will give some opinions, that you can use or not as you wish. <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kira Mason writes > >1) A small (17 x 60" aprox.) window that will open in that is facing south. >Q: A window this size, does is need to be done in lead or can it be >Tiffany? Are there any considerations that need to be taken into account >with double panneling it because of the heat it will receive because of the >location? A preliminary question, if this is a small window, perhaps you mean 17 by 60 cm. If so, then copperfoil by all means, some reinforcing running across the panel will be helpful. By double panelling, I presume you mean that there will be a sheet of clear glass on the outside or inside. If so, then only make sure there is some space between the panel and the edge of the window to allow for expansion across the panel. The amount of glass expansion at 40 C is only about 40 times 87 to the power of -8 (I think) metres per metre. So, no real worry about expansion. > >2) Small triangle holes are going to be made over each bedroom door and >bathrooms to fit small panels, 5 or 6 in total. >Q: Once again Lead or Tiffany? I know because of the size that it will be >ok in Tiffany. But, I think maybe when my daughter who is presently 3 when >she is 13 and going through that wonderful stage in girls lives that she has >to run into her room and slam the door every three minutes I might need to >do it in lead or maybe just reinforce with lots of copper wire? I'm not sure how big "small" might be (the width of the door?). I'm tempted to say that any repairs that may be needed, can be dealt with by yourself and may provide an opportunity to change designs. In any case, I have seen windows over doors that need repair only after 80 years, and some in the doors themselves that have survived even longer. > >3) A bedroom that is going to be converted into a bathroom with a pretty >good sized window (97 x 100cm) and the tub is going right by it, it is north >facing. There will be a panel put there. The window with panel installed >sliding (left and right) with two pieces. >Q: a)What would be good glass for privacy but also letting the light in? There seem to be two possibilities for privacy: strongly coloured glasses (I have done one & it works well), or highly textured glass. A non glass solution that I have seen is to have an external light aimed at the window that turns on at the same time as the bathroom light. This means that there are no shadows, or vision at night from the outside. > b)The window store that we are working with suggested for safety >purposes and also the cold (it gets cold here in Madrid) to have it vacum >sealed between two pieces of glass. That kinda had gone against everything >I have every read or heard. What ya think? This seems like a good solution for a sliding window. It is compact, is machine manufactured, so there should be no window maintenance problems. The glass will not be in a vacuum but will be sealed from moisture, the main problem in bathrooms. It is a good solution and does not have to be expensive. > >And, last but not least, I am pulling my hair out trying to find out a place >here in Mad. that gives Lead classes and am having absolutely NO luck. >Everyone does Tiffany classes but no lead. I am to the point where I guess >I am just going to have to find a good book and do some little things >through tial and error until I get it right. Can you recommend a GOOD book? > Kira, you could come to "sunny" Glasgow, Scotland where I could give you a one week course in leaded glass. :-) But the slogan for Glasgow is "Glasgow Smiles Better" So the sunny part is the size of the smiles you get through the rain. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 02:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:09:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #195 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Insurance Discussion Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:41:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi to all, Boy, am I thankful that this insurance question came up! When I started my studio on our property, I asked my husband about getting additional coverage, and he thought our homeowner's would cover everything! Needless to say, I'll beat a path to my insurance company first thing on Monday! This is exactly the reason I like this bungi group, I wouldn't have known about lack of coverage till it was too late otherwise. Thanks to all! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 02:31:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:13:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #195 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Brian Shepherd Subject: Re: appropriate replying to bungi messages Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:43:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Brian Shepherd writes >Yes but sadly that also ensures that a lot of interesting answers are only >viewed by one person and it kills any possibility or evolution of discussion >or debate. > >The small amount of through put on Bungi now makes it virtually worthless as >stops it being the superb teaching medium it once was. Of course you can >still ask questions but the chance of picking up on something you didn't >know you didn't know is now pretty remote! > The request was for messages of the "me too" variety, that add little or nothing to a conversation. I think that was a simple, justified request that is easily satisfied. >I feel really sorry for the new people who will never know what a great >place Bungi used to be or experience the bon homie and good nature that used >to abound! I don't know what you think has been lost recently. Perhaps you could expand on the topic. As a result of your message I have sent a reply to the whole group, although it presents my opinions only. > >It seems to me that the people who don't want to receive any mail are the >ones who should unsubscribe. I don't suppose there is much chance of that so >I will pre-empt flood of suggestions do so and unsub voluntarily! > I'm sorry to see you leave. It seems to put you involuntarily into the camp of those who do not wish to receive mail. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 06:54:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:44:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #195 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: copyrights Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk we had the pokemon thing a few weeks ago. What I am wondering has anyone had any trouble with using pattern books and selling the finished article.I have just had my work turned down from a shop as they already had someone selling glass through them. I find it disappointing when I spend time designing to find that people have just reproduced some one else's designs. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 08:53:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #195 built 2000-Apr-15) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergy glass" To: "Sarah" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Insurance Discussion Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:31:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thought I'd jump in here. I purchased my business insurance from an agency that worked with a provincial association of artists and crafters to put together a package just for artists and artisans. They offer two options, one tailored to in-home businesses and one for stand alone studios. Besides the liability issue, they include all sorts of things like covering work in transit (something I think is great when I'm hauling around a set of panels for installation), receivables, work in progress and things I'd never thought of. It was organized through the Crafts Association of BC (www.cabc.net). Don't know if you have to be a BC resident to join, however they may be able to put you in touch with an association in your area that offers a similar policy for members. Another benefit is reduced merchant credit card percentages that they've negotiated for members. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net -----Original Message----- From: Sarah To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:26 AM Subject: Insurance Discussion >Hi to all, > Boy, am I thankful that this insurance question came up! When I started >my studio on our property, I asked my husband about getting additional >coverage, and he thought our homeowner's would cover everything! Needless to >say, I'll beat a path to my insurance company first thing on Monday! > This is exactly the reason I like this bungi group, I wouldn't have >known about lack of coverage till it was too late otherwise. Thanks to all! >Sarah > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 12:46:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:39:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: crosswinds.net!debbiesgarden From: Debbie T To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: new ideas Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:41:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I came across an interesting page and thought of Bungi creative types. I thought it might be an inspiration for new ideas using stained glass: http://www.gardencopper.com/gate.htm Check out his directions for making sprinklers too.... Debbie T from Baltimore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 13:46:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Sarah" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Insurance Discussion Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:31:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk I carry liability which was quite cheap to add to my existing insurance for my shop. I used to have prudential and at one re-newel time, they cancelled me with no reason. I asked my idiot agent why, and he finally came up with the reason as FLAMABLE chemicals in a shop attached to my house. I asked him to bring a "stupervisor" and we set a time. They came in, we talked a bit and then went to the shop. I asked both of them to pick any and all chemicals at random. They did......I poured out a bit of each one on my work table and pulled out some LARGE fireplace matches, proceeded to light one and plunge it into the puddle of the selected chemicals. They ducked and just watched the match sputter out......Seems the chemicals were water based. They re-instated my policies retroactively (means I got to be billed for a month of coverage that already had passed.) I used the grace period to shop and get the same company to insure the house, shop and so on. They also have my vehicles, so I got a 20% discount for the whole package. After the grace period, I asked my agent (soon to be ex) to visit and bring out any other representative he liked. I thanked them all and then cancelled the policy that I got a "free" month from. Ask if you can get any kind of discount if you have ALL your insurance with one carrier. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 15:00:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass wedding cake toppers Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:42:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Was it someone on Bungi looking to replace a broken wedding cake item? I just saw this ad in the Glass Line. Hope it helps. THE GLASS UNICORNE, Exquisite Giftware Since 1967 Spun Glass Figurines Toasting glasses Bev eled Mirrors Caketops Bells SHIPMENT IN 24 HOURS 1230 N. Jefferson St. #H Anaheim, CA 92807 (714) 666-2231 Fax (714) 666-8367 Orders (800) 833-2095 Email glunicorne@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 17:29:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:19:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: charlie hodge , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: copyrights Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:18:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I've helped my friend at a few craft fairs, and at many of them is Production Lady - who sells a gazillian of sun catchers, and tea candle holders, etc. plus a few simplistic panels - all out of the very beginning books. She cuts well and solders just fine. No sense of color, other than they are whatever the most current decorating colors are. This is why we are regarded as crafts only, not artists. Plus, I have to tell you that she IS in copyright violation. Most of the pattern books say you may make one or two copies, but none of them intend you should mass produce these designs. - Cec charlie hodge wrote: > we had the pokemon thing a few weeks ago. What I am wondering has anyone had > any trouble with using pattern books and selling the finished article.I have > just had my work turned down from a shop as they already had someone selling > glass through them. I find it disappointing when I spend time designing to > find that people have just reproduced some one else's designs. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 19:00:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: waxing Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:12:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20000417011740.BEAU15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a> Precedence: bulk Mary, I wax my projects with Kem-O-Pro's stained glass Finishing Compound. I've heard of people using car wax also.. Wonder if it would be cheaper to buy car wax ?? Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 19:29:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re:Waxing Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:08:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Lorley, I use plain old Turtle wax, a little goes a long way, and its much cheaper than kempro. A word of caution, tho. When my instructor told me about using Turtle wax, I ran out and grabbed some. What I had picked up was Turtle wax Finishing compound, which has abrasives in it! Be sure you get the plain car wax! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 20:01:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:49:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: ic24.net!glasworks.glasgow From: glassworks glasgow To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Asbestos worry Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:43:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<38F867FB.21953899@pacbell.net>> Precedence: bulk Hello rrk On 15-Apr-00, you wrote: > > > glassworks glasgow wrote: > >> Dear Kay you are asking the wrong people, bungi people are not experts in >> health and safety. They are makers who have made glass for varying >> amounts of time- some of us are professionals and some are hobbyists. > > Hi Joe Boyle, > > You are entitled to your opinion about technical matters, in this case > whether unexposed asbestos insulation encased in some solid material in an > existing oven is safe or not. > > You are not entitled to air your misinformed "opinion" about the > qualifications of people you do not know beans about. I know for a fact > that you do not know ME or my qualifications so any statement you make is > by defintion made from a state of zero information (a state of zero > information is as nice a way to put it as I can think of). I further doubt > you know much, if anything, about Mr. Spitzer. > > There are some highly qualified people in various subject areas on this > mailing list, most of whom do not parade around waving their credentials > like a flag-waving patriot. > > If I were in your shoes ... in the future I'd be more careful of what I > say when characterizing other people, particularly when you do not know > them. > > Regards .... Bob > > > Regards You know bob rrk, you are right we know absolutely nothing for sure about you. We do not know your full name, we do not know where you are from, we do not know what you do, we do not know if you wear shoes, in short, yes you are a mystery to us. So if you feel that we have characterised you so accurately then we apologise for invading your privacy. Now as to your rhetoric about parading around and flag-waving I really think that you should be specific and explain what exactly in our email that you are referring to, we may learn something from it. This will be our one and only response to bob rrk and we take this opportunity to apologise to all bungians for taking up space with this matter. Joe Boyle & Yvonne Smith Glasworks Glasgow 143 Oxford Street Glasgow G5 9JE Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 20:02:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Lorley Oneyear" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: waxing Date: Sun, 16 Apr 00 19:49:27 Message-ID: <200004170248.UAA11443@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk I've had different results with car wax... it has a tendency to truly antique the patina (blotches instead of constant coloring) or it removes the patina entirely.. I use Kemopro... Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 20:13:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: artglassw.com!dandl From: "Dave & Lynn Loda" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Locating a Canadian Hot Glass Artist Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:16:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000417011740.BEAU15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk A few years ago we visited the Victorian Aquarium in B.C. Canada and bought a wonderful fish-chime from the gift store. We later contacted the artist, who if memory doesn't fail me lived on Vancouver Island. She did send us a catalog, since we contacted her about carrying her products in our store. We promptly lost the catalog & her phone number. If anyone knows this person, I would appreciate information on how to contact her. The Aquarium gift store won't give out her name, fearing competition. we are 400 miles away. Dave http://www.stained-glass-supplies.com Your store for Stained Glass Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 21:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: ic24.net!glasworks.glasgow From: glassworks glasgow To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Asbestos worry Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:15:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hello glassworks On 17-Apr-00, you wrote: > Hello rrk > > On 15-Apr-00, you wrote: > >> >> >> glassworks glasgow wrote: >> >>> Dear Kay you are asking the wrong people, bungi people are not experts >>> in health and safety. They are makers who have made glass for varying >>> amounts of time- some of us are professionals and some are hobbyists. >> >> Hi Joe Boyle, >> >> You are entitled to your opinion about technical matters, in this case >> whether unexposed asbestos insulation encased in some solid material in >> an existing oven is safe or not. >> >> You are not entitled to air your misinformed "opinion" about the >> qualifications of people you do not know beans about. I know for a fact >> that you do not know ME or my qualifications so any statement you make is >> by defintion made from a state of zero information (a state of zero >> information is as nice a way to put it as I can think of). I further >> doubt you know much, if anything, about Mr. Spitzer. >> >> There are some highly qualified people in various subject areas on this >> mailing list, most of whom do not parade around waving their credentials >> like a flag-waving patriot. >> >> If I were in your shoes ... in the future I'd be more careful of what I >> say when characterizing other people, particularly when you do not know >> them. >> >> Regards .... Bob >> >> >> > Regards > > You know bob rrk, you are right we know absolutely nothing for sure about > you. We do not know your full name, we do not know where you are from, we > do not know what you do, we do not know if you wear shoes, in short, yes > you are a mystery to us. So if you feel that we have characterised you so > accurately then we apologise for invading your privacy. Now as to your > rhetoric about parading around and flag-waving I really think that you > should be specific and explain what exactly in our email that you are > referring to, we may learn something from it. > > This will be our one and only response to bob rrk and we take this > opportunity to apologise to all bungians for taking up space with this > matter. > > Joe Boyle & Yvonne Smith > Glasworks Glasgow > 143 Oxford Street > Glasgow > G5 9JE > Scotland Regards ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 16 21:30:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #196 built 2000-Apr-16) X-Path: hotmail.com!glsgoddes From: "G. G. Read" To: studio@stainedglass.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Homeowner Insurance / Business Insurance / Warm Glass Info Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:22:42 GMT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. I have been a glass artist for 20 yrs. And have consistantly worked out of my home. As far as my experience with insurance companies..... if you have deep pockets they will be happy to take your money. There are available policies that are called 'umbrellas' that seem to cover pretty well. I used to teach stained glass classes from my home, I had quite a disclaimer form my students HAD to sign prior to starting. However, no matter what you have your students sign, in reality it is only worth the paper it is written. Bottom line, if someone is going to sue you for damages/injuries they will and can do it. Insurance or not. My best advise is to talk to a financial consultant and have your business incorporated..... in such a way as your private holdings (home, bank accounts, etc) are completely sheltered ... can't be touched by any lawsuit no matter what.... >From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Homeowner Insurance / Business Insurance / Warm Glass Info >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:29:55 +0100 > >At 23:39 14/04/00 -0700, Eric wrote: > >Problem is we are having a hell of a time securing insurance coverage to > >protect our home and personal belonging. > > > >Any idea on where I can find an insurance policy that will cover for this > >kind of utilisation. > > > >Has it been a problem for anyone to get this insurance coverage? > >I cant speak for the situation in other countries but here in the UK we >know >of several people who have found it impossible to get commercial insurance >such as would be sensible to have cover for - as relying on normal home >insurance cover could lead to losing the lot if there was cause for a claim >against them. > >Problems have been found in the following areas for which it was difficult >to get insurance cover at home. >1. Injury claims by paying students doing classes on non-commercial >premises >2. Personal injury caused by hazardous materials/toxic chemicals/equipment >on non-commercial premises >3. Improper disposal of hazardous waste >4. Nonconformity to local health and safety regulations for commercial >premises >5. Damage to buildings and environment/passers by caused by all the above >6. Encouraging strangers into your home may nullify your own personal >effects insurance > >There are many other considerations that might lead the hobbyist working at >home and wanting to expand into full time work to get planning permission >to >have purpose built premises not attached to the house which can be covered >by commercial insurance and would come under the auspices of the relevant >health/safety departments for advice and inspection. Otherwise perhaps >explore the feasibility of renting commercial premises to work from. > >The following para is not aimed at Eric who has already realised the >problems but towards anyone else thinking of offering classes from home. >My comments above might seem like overkill but it is reckless to rely on >the >hope that *my household insurance will cover me - and anyway none of my >students would take me to court if they were injured at classes*. Even if >customers and students visiting your home appear friendly and appreciative >it only needs one friend/spouse/parent to encourage an injured person to >visit a no win - no fee law firm and you could lose everything you have >worked so hard for! > >Regards >EliZabeth in Bournemouth > >Bournemouth Stained Glass >http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 07:37:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: waxing Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000417011740.BEAU15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk We use the super-el-cheapo Turtle wax in a spray on bottle. No muss, no fuss, no waiting to dry, no cleaning wax from around the solder lines. Looks great, lasts long time. Survives at least 12 car washes. :) -G ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorley Oneyear To: Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:08 PM Subject: waxing > Mary, I wax my projects with Kem-O-Pro's stained glass Finishing Compound. > I've heard of people using car wax also.. Wonder if it would be cheaper to > buy car wax ?? Lorley > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 08:36:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: asap-com.com!rbbtrdg From: "lois" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Add to Mailing List, please Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:29:33 -0400 Message-ID: <200004171524.LAA21013@ENTERPRISE.ASAP-COM.COM> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 08:51:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Gregg Wood" , Subject: Re: waxing Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:27:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk 12 carwashes, sounds good enough for me. I have always used chempro but will buy some of they spray on and try it. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Gregg Wood To: Glass @ Bungi Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:47 AM Subject: Re: waxing >We use the super-el-cheapo Turtle wax in a spray on bottle. >No muss, no fuss, no waiting to dry, no cleaning wax from >around the solder lines. Looks great, lasts long time. > >Survives at least 12 car washes. :) > >-G > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lorley Oneyear >To: >Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:08 PM >Subject: waxing > > >> Mary, I wax my projects with Kem-O-Pro's stained glass Finishing Compound. >> I've heard of people using car wax also.. Wonder if it would be cheaper to >> buy car wax ?? Lorley >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 09:00:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: bigvalley.net!anyways From: "Linda" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: advice Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:06:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello! I need a little help. My pastor asked me for an estimate to do six 7'2" by 14" inserts for our church. The windows have deep sills. He wants them to sit directly in front of the existing windows. I am wondering about strength because they might be handled later for some reason. What would be the best reinforcement. I have never done anything on this scale before. My experience is with foil. Will this cause a problem? I was wondering about putting lead or zinc around the edge. I have very little experience with it though, and would appreciate an advice you could offer. Thank you! Linda W. anyways@bigvalley.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 09:06:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:46:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: aol.com!CBH861 From: CBH861@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Ideas needed Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:44:47 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Sometimes the foil on my stain glass peels off while I am cleaning the piece. I have tried turning down the heat on the soldering iron but then the solder doesn't melt smoothly. Also, is it proper to clean with water after cleaning the flux and patina off the glass with flux and patina remover? Thank you for your help. Claire ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 09:31:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:10:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Lorley Oneyear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: waxing Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:17:07 -0300 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000417011740.BEAU15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk When I ran out of glass finishing compound last summer, I found an old bottle of car wax in the cupboard. I tried it, and I'm still using it. It works great, and I have had no problems with oxidation at all, which i sometimes had with the finishing compound. It doesn't seem to affect my aptina inany way, except to polish it. Lorley Oneyear wrote: > Mary, I wax my projects with Kem-O-Pro's stained glass Finishing Compound. > I've heard of people using car wax also.. Wonder if it would be cheaper to > buy car wax ?? Lorley > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 09:36:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: chat group Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:13:57 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk to jim herron...thanks for the picture nice group..Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 10:07:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: wvu.edu!lknicele From: Lisa Kniceley To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: waxing Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:53:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000417125339.006de3c0@wvu.edu> Precedence: bulk When I took my stained glass class, the instructor told us to make sure that whatever wax we used had Carnuba in it. Hope this helps. Lisa K. > >I've had different results with car wax... it has a tendency to truly antique the patina >(blotches instead of constant coloring) or it removes the patina entirely.. > >I use Kemopro... > >Candy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 11:01:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Gillian Higson To: CBH861@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ideas needed Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:01:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Claire You have to make sure that you have a nice bead of solder around the edge of your work,both sides. This doesn't completely prevent the foil from lifting . But you have a better chance that it will not. Regards Gillian CBH861@aol.com wrote: > Sometimes the foil on my stain glass peels off while I am cleaning the > piece. I have tried turning down the heat on the soldering iron but then the > solder doesn't melt smoothly. > Also, is it proper to clean with water after cleaning the flux and patina > off the glass with flux and patina remover? > > Thank you for your help. > Claire > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 11:11:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: re: waxing Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:31:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I was told to use pure carnauba wax to avoid the problems with the patina that Candy mentioned. Even with no patina, those solder lines buff out to a beautiful shiny finish-it looks like it was nickel plated. I've been using "Meguiar's" Deep Crystal Carnauba Wax because it's supposed to be safest for clear coat finishes on cars and nothing in it to corrode the solder. I made a butterfly for a friend several years ago that I polished with the wax, and she justs wipes off the dust once in while with a dry soft cloth, and the glass and copper-patinaed solder lines are still shiny as a new penny! I've never tried Kemopro (I'm sure it's great stuff), but I understand most of the waxes for glass are kinda expensive. I buy 16 fl. oz. Meguiar's at a local Pep Boys for less than $4, and I get great results. Good Luck ;-) -Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 13:01:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergy glass" To: "Gillian Higson" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ideas needed Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk When you're cleaning be sure to scrub the piece WITH the edges of the glass, rather than ACROSS the edges...the foil will lift through the rubbing action. Also...it's okay to immerse the s.g. piece in water for cleaning, but don't let it soak. The heat from the hot water will soften the adhesive some. -----Original Message----- From: Gillian Higson To: CBH861@aol.com Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Ideas needed >Hi Claire >You have to make sure that you have a nice bead of solder around the edge of your >work,both sides. This doesn't completely prevent the foil from lifting . But >you have a better chance that it will not. >Regards >Gillian > >CBH861@aol.com wrote: > >> Sometimes the foil on my stain glass peels off while I am cleaning the >> piece. I have tried turning down the heat on the soldering iron but then the >> solder doesn't melt smoothly. >> Also, is it proper to clean with water after cleaning the flux and patina >> off the glass with flux and patina remover? >> >> Thank you for your help. >> Claire >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 17:01:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "Linda" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: advice Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:59:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk A zinc frame should give you all the strength you need Linda for any future handling/cleaning..With only 14" in width you shouldnt need anything else...You could also add Stong Line if yer stilll concerned tho.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: Bungi List Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: advice > Hello! I need a little help. My pastor asked me for an estimate to do six > 7'2" by 14" inserts for our church. The windows have deep sills. He wants > them to sit directly in front of the existing windows. I am wondering about > strength because they might be handled later for some reason. What would be > the best reinforcement. I have never done anything on this scale before. My > experience is with foil. Will this cause a problem? I was wondering about > putting lead or zinc around the edge. I have very little experience with it > though, and would appreciate an advice you could offer. Thank you! > Linda W. > anyways@bigvalley.net > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 18:00:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Someone looking for other words for "glass artist" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:53:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi bungi gang. If any of you can answer this person's question, please s= end her the message at the dtrch@bway.net email address. I've already sent h= er the word "glazer". Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:dtrch@bway.net, INTERNET:dtrch@bway.net To: [unknown], ensembles Date: 04/16/2000 10:55 PM = Hi, I'm trying to find out if there's a word for stained glass artists--any particular word for the craftsman. It could be an archaic word. I'm just curious, for a piece of writing I'm doing. I appreciate your help. Thanks, Lynn lynn@chandhok.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 19:05:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: aol.com!Shecharlie From: Shecharlie@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: glass Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:40:23 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk i'm having a tough time cutting glass. would i be better off buying a band saw- and if so what brand should i get. thanks for any help you can give me shecharlie@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 19:20:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Ideas needed Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:37:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CBH861@aol.com > Sometimes the foil on my stain glass peels off while I am cleaning t= he piece. I have tried turning down the heat on the soldering iron but then the = solder doesn't melt smoothly. = Also, is it proper to clean with water after cleaning the flux and patina = off the glass with flux and patina remover? < I'm assuming you mean foil on the edges, not foiled pieces in the middle.= Foil not properly sticking is a common problem. Causes? Could be the piece was not thoroughly cleaned on glass dust on the edges prior to foiling. Could also be that you're leaving the hot iron on the edge t= oo long, causing the foil's adheasive to melt. I always clean finished pieces with soap and water after soldering and patinaing. Then to the Kem-o-Pro. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 19:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #197 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Waxing Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:58:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20000418020336.QDDT15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a> Precedence: bulk Gregg, Ok.. so you spray it on and then what ??? buff it out?? It doesn't have that white film around the solder lines ?? It just dries shiny? Lorley >We use the super-el-cheapo Turtle wax in a spray on bottle. >No muss, no fuss, no waiting to dry, no cleaning wax from >around the solder lines. Looks great, lasts long time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 17 23:17:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: webtv.net!rucpsim From: rucpsim@webtv.net (Kari Colledge) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: add to list Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please add me to your mailing listz;-) Thanks! Kari rucpsim@webtv.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 05:27:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 05:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: byronw@fastlane.net, anyways@bigvalley.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:57:15 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk What is strong line??? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 05:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 05:29:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Waxing Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:29:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000418020336.QDDT15087.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk Absolutely. Spray it on, buff it up with a clean dry towel (if we can find one) and Poof! Beauty. I would not have believed myself being the endless skeptic. Seriously tho, it really does a nice job. I've not seen it damage patina either. We'll clean a piece after soldering, dry it, patina it, wipe it off and wax it all in the period of about an hour. It really adds a little extra kick. -G ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorley Oneyear To: Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:46 PM Subject: Waxing > Gregg, > > Ok.. so you spray it on and then what ??? buff it out?? It doesn't have > that white film around the solder lines ?? It just dries shiny? Lorley > > > >We use the super-el-cheapo Turtle wax in a spray on bottle. > >No muss, no fuss, no waiting to dry, no cleaning wax from > >around the solder lines. Looks great, lasts long time. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 07:30:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:08:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:02:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:SGriffiSBG@aol.com >What is strong line???< StrongLine is a product made by Morton. It is a steel flattened wire cla= d in ?brass? ?copper?, and is used to impart additional strength to copper foiled panels. The StrongLi= ne is placed between foiled pieces in the panel, prior to soldering, so that the StrongLine disappear= s into the solder line. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 09:02:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: aol.com!THOR7127 From: THOR7127@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com (Bungi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: remove me from the list Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:45:06 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk please remove me from your email list... thank you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 09:30:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:18:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: glass Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:14:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk it would be better if you just practiced a lot more. try going to a window glass store and asking for their throwouts. just cut it all up into little pieces. practice inside and outside curves a lot. you can even make some panels out of the glass. then just throw it all away. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Shecharlie@aol.com [mailto:Shecharlie@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 6:40 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: glass > > > i'm having a tough time cutting glass. would i be better off > buying a band > saw- and if so what brand should i get. > thanks for any help you can give me > shecharlie@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 09:39:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:35:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:34:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Lurker here (and new mom so there's VERY little time for glass right now)!!! Would StrongLine be something to use along the bottom pieces of a large prairie lampshade to keep it from "sagging"? I'm assuming StrongLine would be used similar to rebar in leaded pieces to give it horizontal strength? "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > Message text written by INTERNET:SGriffiSBG@aol.com > >What is strong line???< > > StrongLine is a product made by Morton. It is a steel flattened wire cla= > d > in ?brass? ?copper?, and is > used to impart additional strength to copper foiled panels. The StrongLi= > ne > is placed between foiled > pieces in the panel, prior to soldering, so that the StrongLine disappear= > s > into the solder line. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > North Wales, PA USA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 10:43:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re Advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:30:33 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Byron is right about the zinc frame I have made many windowa for our church and so far in the 5 years since I made them they are still in one peace..do you need any patterns for your windows? i have many that I have design and could send them to you. Dee depdee70@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 13:31:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:17:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dozens Tiffany, Handel lamps: Auction Catalog Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:11:40 +0000 Message-ID: <200004182015.QAA28371@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Hi, all. I just put up a couple of very nice auction catalogs on eBay that have dozens of lush photos of Tiffany, Handel etc. lamps. You might be interested (or not). Anyway, I had three of 'em and only needed one. You might want to take a look. They're under the title "Dozens Tiffany, Handel lamps: Auction Catalog" although I misspelled "dozens" on one of the listings (pshaw!) so search on the other words. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 13:47:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Byron Wells Subject: Re: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:16:55 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Won't zinc be a little floppy over a seven foot length? Just looking for information. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Byron Wells writes >A zinc frame should give you all the strength you need Linda for any future >handling/cleaning..With only 14" in width you shouldnt need anything >else...You could also add Stong Line if yer stilll concerned tho.. > >Byron... >Wells Glassworks > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda >To: Bungi List >Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:06 AM >Subject: advice > > >> Hello! I need a little help. My pastor asked me for an estimate to do six >> 7'2" by 14" inserts for our church. The windows have deep sills. He wants >> them to sit directly in front of the existing windows. I am wondering >about >> strength because they might be handled later for some reason. What would >be >> the best reinforcement. I have never done anything on this scale before. >My >> experience is with foil. Will this cause a problem? I was wondering about >> putting lead or zinc around the edge. I have very little experience with >it >> though, and would appreciate an advice you could offer. Thank you! >> Linda W. >> anyways@bigvalley.net >> >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 14:00:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:31:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Christie A. Wood" Subject: Re: Someone looking for other words for "glass artist" Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:20:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk There isn't just one term for all the elements in making stained glass windows. The traditional studios had a clear division and hierarchy in the various stages of work. So a traditional term encompassing the whole craft probably doesn't exist. Therefore make up your own! Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Christie A. Wood writes >Hi bungi gang. If any of you can answer this person's question, please s= >end >her the message at the dtrch@bway.net email address. I've already sent h= >er >the word "glazer". > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles >North Wales, PA USA >-------------Forwarded Message----------------- >From: INTERNET:dtrch@bway.net, INTERNET:dtrch@bway.net >To: [unknown], ensembles >Date: 04/16/2000 10:55 PM > = > >Hi, > >I'm trying to find out if there's a word for stained glass artists--any >particular word for the craftsman. It could be an archaic word. I'm just >curious, for a piece of writing I'm doing. I appreciate your help. > >Thanks, >Lynn > >lynn@chandhok.org >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 14:05:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shecharlie@aol.com Subject: Re: glass Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:22:06 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk DO NOT buy a band saw to substitute for "hand" cutting. More experience and if available guidance will make the process easier. A band saw will enable you to do wonderful things, but ensure that you will not be able to do the simple things. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Shecharlie@aol.com writes >i'm having a tough time cutting glass. would i be better off buying a band >saw- and if so what brand should i get. >thanks for any help you can give me >shecharlie@aol.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 14:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:39:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:32:46 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/18/00 1:48:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk writes: > Won't zinc be a little floppy over a seven foot length? > Just looking for information. > Steve Steve, you are to kind. Sure zinc is a very weak material. A piece of 1/2" zinc seven feet long will flex and bend if held out straight. It also tends to corrode rather fast when exposed to water. The most accepted treatment is to use 1/2" flat lead and THEN see to it that the window is properly framed in wood or stone for support. To do less by a church is to expect that they will go out of business in a few years. The beautiful windows we make today are tomorrow's link with the past. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 15:00:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_a.2858a57.262e2fa8_boundary" Subject: Fwd: Someone looking for other words for "glass artist" Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:37:44 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_a.2858a57.262e2fa8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory. --part1_a.2858a57.262e2fa8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Bobfuses@aol.com From: Bobfuses@aol.com Full-name: Bobfuses Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:36:01 EDT Subject: Re: Someone looking for other words for "glass artist" To: s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 I had a fellow stop in from Ireland one day and he said that stained glass artists were called plumbers there. Don't know if true or not but he seemed sincere. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory. --part1_a.2858a57.262e2fa8_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 15:06:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: bigfoot.com!E-Mail-Services From: bigfoot.com!E-Mail-Services To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk TIRED OF ENDLESSLY POSTING YOUR ONLINE CLASSIFIED AD AND GETTING NO RESULTS? The fact is there are over 7000 such sites scattered about the web and frankly none of them generate enough traffic to be worth your while. 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Contact Name: _____________________________________________ Business Name: ______________________________________ Address: _________________________________________________ City: ____________________ State: ______ Zip: ______________ Country: _______________ Email Address: ____________________________________________ Phone: __________________________ Fax: ____________________________ Internal Use Only: Code:AVA0017 STR: ____________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 15:48:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #198 built 2000-Apr-17) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Bobfuses@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:03:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk so, you wouldnt use any rebar? please excuse the lower case typing. one handed, with the left. my right hand is healing well from the surgery, but glass is off limits for 3 to 4 more weeks. Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/18/00 1:48:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk writes: > > > Won't zinc be a little floppy over a seven foot length? > > Just looking for information. > > Steve > > Steve, you are to kind. Sure zinc is a very weak material. A piece of 1/2" > zinc seven feet long will flex and bend if held out straight. It also tends > to corrode rather fast when exposed to water. > > The most accepted treatment is to use 1/2" flat lead and THEN see to it that > the window is properly framed in wood or stone for support. To do less by a > church is to expect that they will go out of business in a few years. > > The beautiful windows we make today are tomorrow's link with the past. > > Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 > A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 17:31:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #199 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk both zinc and lead will be floppy. the strength in the panel will be the framing. i'd suggest instead using 1/2" H lead. this gives you the same strength as zinc, but it will be a lot easier to trim the H lead if the panel doesn't fit the window. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Richard [mailto:s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 1:17 PM > To: Byron Wells > Subject: Re: advice > > > Won't zinc be a little floppy over a seven foot length? > Just looking for information. > Steve > > > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Byron Wells > writes > >A zinc frame should give you all the strength you need Linda > for any future > >handling/cleaning..With only 14" in width you shouldnt need anything > >else...You could also add Stong Line if yer stilll concerned tho.. > > > >Byron... > >Wells Glassworks > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Linda > >To: Bungi List > >Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:06 AM > >Subject: advice > > > > > >> Hello! I need a little help. My pastor asked me for an > estimate to do six > >> 7'2" by 14" inserts for our church. The windows have deep > sills. He wants > >> them to sit directly in front of the existing windows. I > am wondering > >about > >> strength because they might be handled later for some > reason. What would > >be > >> the best reinforcement. I have never done anything on this > scale before. > >My > >> experience is with foil. Will this cause a problem? I was > wondering about > >> putting lead or zinc around the edge. I have very little > experience with > >it > >> though, and would appreciate an advice you could offer. Thank you! > >> Linda W. > >> anyways@bigvalley.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 18:56:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:55:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #199 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: att.net!r.wickline From: "Rebecca Wickline" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: re:saw Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:20:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20000418212046.VRVH1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@[12.79.198.100]> Precedence: bulk I have been doing glass the old fashioned way for about ten years now. Last year I got access to a Taurus (I think) saw. I thought that it would be the greatest thing since slice bread. I've used it some but prefer to us my old cutter and the old fashioned way. It does a nice job but it is way TOO LOUD. I guess I need practice with it but I wasn't pleased with the way my pieces turned out. The other two people I work with (we're all just hobbiests) love the band saw and use it alot. I think beside the practice thing after a day of teaching highschool I don't need the additional noise and aggravation I prefer to have the satisfaction of breaking glass to remedy stress. This is just my humble opinion. I 've been working on a window for a friend all day ( she is paying me) I designed it myself and I am really excited. It's 30x21 with magnolia blossoms. It's all I can do to do other stuff. I soldered all morning and I really need to clean up my house. This is spring break so I'm trying very hard to be a good little housewife( but it ain't workin') -- Becky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 19:00:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #199 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Cutter Cozy/ Re: glass/ Re: looking Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I stopped in a fairly new glass supply store (The Glass Eye) which opened in Laurel MD after Meredith moved to Silver Spring (alas), and there found Suzanne's Cutter Cozy for $2.98. It is black foam about the size and type of a bicycle handle cover, and it is apparently meant to go over a traditional cutter - the kind with the straight metal handle. Creator's Stained Glass in Grayslake, Illinois and a website at cuttersmate.com. Haven't used it yet, though. Re: glass No you cannot replace the skill of hand cutting with a band or ring saw. For one thing, they do not cut anywhere near as fast as you can do by hand. For another thing - give yourself 3 months and you will see a HUGH increase in your ability. Re: looking I tend to think there isn't an all encompassing word, but if there is you will find it in the OED (Oxford Dictionary of English). You will have to visit a real library to find it, because they charge for online use - something like $550 per year to become an individual user!!! This is a marvelous dictionary, though because it has tried to include any and all words in use from medievel times on, and it also documents how and where the word was first used, and tells you far more about the origins of the word than most dictionaries do. -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 21:03:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:00:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #199 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: waxing Date: Tue, 18 Apr 00 19:49:05 Message-ID: <200004190247.UAA25173@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk thanks Stephanie, for the observations.. what I tried (so many years ago) had carnaba wax in it, but could be it wasn't the only thing in it!! Kemopro does exactly what you describe... buff it for a new shine... unless, they had olive oil or frosting or... I'll try the Meguiar's...I'm usually at a hardware store on the weekend...we're remodeling.. am gonna do some mosaic around the shower.. anybody wanna see when I'm done? CandyOn Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:31:34 -0700, Stephanie N Larson wrote: >I was told to use pure carnauba wax to avoid the problems with the patina >that Candy mentioned. Even with no patina, those solder lines buff out to >a beautiful shiny finish-it looks like it was nickel plated. I've been >using "Meguiar's" Deep Crystal Carnauba Wax because it's supposed to be >safest for clear coat finishes on cars and nothing in it to corrode the >solder. I made a butterfly for a friend several years ago that I >polished with the wax, and she justs wipes off the dust once in while >with a dry soft cloth, and the glass and copper-patinaed solder lines are >still shiny as a new penny! >I've never tried Kemopro (I'm sure it's great stuff), but I understand >most of the waxes for glass are kinda expensive. I buy 16 fl. oz. >Meguiar's at a local Pep Boys for less than $4, and I get great results. >Good Luck ;-) >-Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 21:30:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #199 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Christie A. Wood" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:51 AM Subject: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 > The following is a press release from Country > Sampler's "Country Business" magazine. It is > provided as a service to the members of the > International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA). > -With the Arts and Crafts movement booming, expect Mission-style > designs to make a strong statement. Along with furniture and > lighting, look for small statues and vases fashioned from stained > glass. OK, somebody help me. What does a "small statue ... fashioned from stained glass" look like? (For that matter, when's the last time you made a stained glass vase? Brad Walker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 22:31:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:05:25 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/18/00 8:35:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com writes: << both zinc and lead will be floppy. the strength in the panel will be the framing. i'd suggest instead using 1/2" H lead. this gives you the same strength as zinc, but it will be a lot easier to trim the H lead if the panel doesn't fit the window. >> If this piece is 14" x 72", then it just crosses that "guide" of 14 perimeter feet, to be reinforced. The design would be of first importance, and can provide some stabilization itself. I always use 1/2" FH lead, too, on perimeters, whether foiled or leaded, or a combination of the two, to provide a surface for the finished framing upon installation, as well as allowing some trimming should the piece not fit. There is also high hearted 1/2" (and 5/8") H lead available, which can be used with an insert of thin steel rebar next to the heart... which would provide even more stability along the outside edges. Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 18 23:33:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: compaq.com!kevin.longshore From: "Longshore, Kevin" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Web sites about glass painting Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:42:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am looking for web sites which have good photos of glass painting -with closeups and details. The few sites I've found have some beautiful glass painting, but nothing close up. Among other things, I'm trying to see how transparent the paints are on glass. Are some opaque and some transparent? Thank you. Make it a good day. Kevin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 02:00:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:43:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Brad, I am a cold flat glass person, guess I will have to pass on the vase making. I don't have a clue what Mission Style is, but will wait and see if someone splanes it. Being from Calif. I know what I think of as Mission Style. But don't know for sure. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Brad Walker To: Christie A. Wood ; Bungi Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:36 AM Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Christie A. Wood >To: Bungi >Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:51 AM >Subject: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 > > >> The following is a press release from Country >> Sampler's "Country Business" magazine. It is >> provided as a service to the members of the >> International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA). > > > >> -With the Arts and Crafts movement booming, expect Mission-style >> designs to make a strong statement. Along with furniture and >> lighting, look for small statues and vases fashioned from stained >> glass. > > > >OK, somebody help me. What does a "small statue ... fashioned from stained >glass" look like? (For that matter, when's the last time you made a >stained glass vase? > >Brad Walker > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 03:14:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 03:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re:cutting glass Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:27:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk cutting glass well is tough for everyone at first. some may pick it up faster than others, but it is a practiced skill. you will be glad you perservered and learned to cut by hand. you'll gain a feel for the glass, and learn what you can and cant do with it. using a glass saw takes practice too. i highly recommend learning each skill used in glass work to the best of your ability, you will be amazed at how your skills grow. just dont give up. when you run into a stumbling block ask for help from someone more experienced. there are some very skillful, experienced, helpful people around who really seem to enjoy helping others. as you gain/learn other skills, it's so much easier to grab a tool box with your basic tools. i've never seen anyone take a saw to a class or workshop. your cutting is your first and most important skill, imho. good luck, and just keep cutting. ps...i have a saw, i use it about 6 times a year, i do glass work every day. ('cept for the next several weeks) i wish i'd spent the money on glass. > From: Shecharlie@aol.com [mailto:Shecharlie@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 6:40 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: glass > > > i'm having a tough time cutting glass. would i be better off > buying a band > saw- and if so what brand should i get. > thanks for any help you can give me > shecharlie@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 03:48:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 03:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk As with all things you'll get better with practice.. Art glass can get pricey at the retail level so just practice cutting on plain clear glass... You can probably get scraps and such cheap or for nothing from your local glass and mirror typ place.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: glass > i'm having a tough time cutting glass. would i be better off buying a band > saw- and if so what brand should i get. > thanks for any help you can give me > shecharlie@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 03:59:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 03:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "Steve Richard" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: advice Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:25:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk When I use zinc for the ouside of a panel I use 1/2" Flat H... It's pretty stout.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Richard To: Byron Wells Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: Re: advice > Won't zinc be a little floppy over a seven foot length? > Just looking for information. > Steve > > > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Byron Wells writes > >A zinc frame should give you all the strength you need Linda for any future > >handling/cleaning..With only 14" in width you shouldnt need anything > >else...You could also add Stong Line if yer stilll concerned tho.. > > > >Byron... > >Wells Glassworks > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Linda > >To: Bungi List > >Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:06 AM > >Subject: advice > > > > > >> Hello! I need a little help. My pastor asked me for an estimate to do six > >> 7'2" by 14" inserts for our church. The windows have deep sills. He wants > >> them to sit directly in front of the existing windows. I am wondering > >about > >> strength because they might be handled later for some reason. What would > >be > >> the best reinforcement. I have never done anything on this scale before. > >My > >> experience is with foil. Will this cause a problem? I was wondering about > >> putting lead or zinc around the edge. I have very little experience with > >it > >> though, and would appreciate an advice you could offer. Thank you! > >> Linda W. > >> anyways@bigvalley.net > >> > >> > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >> > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 04:31:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:18:51 +0000 Message-ID: <200004191123.HAA13209@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > see if someone splanes it. Being from Calif. I know what I think of > as Mission Style. But don't know for sure. Linda Jo You've got it, Linda Jo. That's "Mission Style," although the California version of it is a little different than the East Coast version, since it shows some Spanish-Mexican influence. But basically it's very simple in its form, straight-forward in its design, usually lacks much embellishment or decoration, and is usually made of fumed oak. That design sensibility grew out of the Arts & Crafts Movement that began with Morris and Ruskin in England, was picked up by Stickley and others here in the U.S., who incorporated it into not only their design sensibilities, but also made it part of their utopian vision (there were lots of Utopians at the time, ranging from the Mormons to the Shakers). But it's a very pleasant style and one can often pick up antique examples of it for less than the cost of the reproductions being made by Thomasville, et al. My 2c worth Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 04:40:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: CBH861@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cleaning Foil Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Dear Claire; You are probably using a brush to wash your panel off. The foil on the edge of the panel is very fragil and you need to brush toward the panel and not away. If you plan to frame it, it is no big deal just to re-press the foil and go on. If, however, you plan to use it with the edge simply tinned, you do need to be careful with how you handle it. Hope this helps. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 05:25:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 05:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: compaq.com!kevin.longshore From: "Longshore, Kevin" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Looking for classes near Cincinnati Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:40:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Obviously from the subject, I am trying to find classes in the Cincinnati, Ohio or nearby area. I am interested in learning sandblasting and/or abrasive shading on glass. I am also interested in learning how to paint on glass. I know there are books and videos on the subjects, but I learn better when I have a teacher who will tell me what I am doing wrong and how to do it right, instead of me trying to figure out why something isn't working as planned. Does anyone know of any such training available in the Cincinnati area? The local stained glass shops don't offer it (that I am aware of). If you can't think of any in Cincinnati, does anyone know of a seminar or something I can travel to? Or where (magazine/website?) I should look to find such classes or seminars? As a last resort, does anyone in the Cincinnati area have a sandblast cabinet I can rent space/time on? I already have a kiln available to me, so I don't need to rent that for glass painting. Thanks in advance! Make it a good day. Kevin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 06:31:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Bobfuses@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fwd: Someone looking for other words for "glass artist" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:26:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > I had a fellow stop in from Ireland one day and he said that stained glass > artists were called plumbers there. Might be true. Neon glassblowers were once called mechanics. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 08:19:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: "Longshore, Kevin" ,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Looking for classes near Cincinnati Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:33:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000419073321.009a4790@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I'd recommend you contact Debbie Taylor (mailto:kleeman@one.net) who lives near Cincinnati and runs a web-based glass supply business there. Steve At 04:40 PM 4/18/00 -0500, Longshore, Kevin wrote: >Obviously from the subject, I am trying to find classes in the Cincinnati, >Ohio or nearby area. I am interested in learning sandblasting and/or >abrasive shading on glass. I am also interested in learning how to paint on >glass. >I know there are books and videos on the subjects, but I learn better when I >have a teacher who will tell me what I am doing wrong and how to do it >right, instead of me trying to figure out why something isn't working as >planned. > >Does anyone know of any such training available in the Cincinnati area? The >local stained glass shops don't offer it (that I am aware of). >If you can't think of any in Cincinnati, does anyone know of a seminar or >something I can travel to? Or where (magazine/website?) I should look to >find such classes or seminars? > >As a last resort, does anyone in the Cincinnati area have a sandblast >cabinet I can rent space/time on? I already have a kiln available to me, so >I don't need to rent that for glass painting. > >Thanks in advance! > > >Make it a good day. > >Kevin >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 08:59:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:04:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:18:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Linda Jo Letscher" >I don't have a clue what Mission Style is, but will wait and see if someone splanes it. Being from Calif. I know what I think of as Mission Style. B= ut don't know for sure.< Think Frank Lloyd Wright's architecture and designs. Think about all the= furniture which is labeled "mission" and you'll see what Mission-style is= From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 09:00:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: stained glass vases Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:07:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I have made a couple of stained glass vases and love them. (Great gifts, by the way!) They are just 3 or 4 flat panels put together like a box, only without a top. There's a pattern book out with some beautiful vases using bevels. They don't hold water, but are gorgeous accent pieces. Shari > > > >OK, somebody help me. What does a "small statue ... fashioned from stained > >glass" look like? (For that matter, when's the last time you made a > >stained glass vase? > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 09:59:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: Suzanne Gunn ,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re:cutting glass Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:30:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000419073035.00992320@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk This sums up my saw experience, too! As Suzanne and others said, best thing is to practice cutting...the skill will come to you. At 10:27 PM 4/18/00 -0500, Suzanne Gunn wrote: > >ps...i have a saw, i use it about 6 times a year, i do glass work every >day. ('cept for the next several weeks) i wish i'd spent the money on >glass. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 11:33:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:18:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Linda Jo Letscher" >I don't have a clue what Mission Style is, but will wait and see if someone splanes it. Being from Calif. I know what I think of as Mission Style. B= ut don't know for sure.< Think Frank Lloyd Wright's architecture and designs. Think about all the= furniture which is labeled "mission" and you'll see what Mission-style is= From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 11:33:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: Kevin.Longshore@COMPAQ.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Web sites about glass painting Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:17:18 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/19/00 2:33:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kevin.Longshore@COMPAQ.com writes: << Among other things, I'm trying to see how transparent the paints are on glass. Are some opaque and some transparent? Thank you. >> Hi again, Kevin.. I didn't see this post til I had answered your later one. Yes, some paints are more transparent than others. Some will fire lighter than applied, and a lot depends on the paint, the mix, the base glass, and the firing. I apply the paints in many layers, adding more shadow and color with each firing. There is so much to learn in this field, and a lot of it includes experimenting with your kiln. One good book that is being reprinted soon is by Albinus Elskus, called "The Art of Painting on Glass". You may be able to find a few copies from the old printing of it in glass shops. For a web site, visit Brad Walker's at www.warmglass.com or click on Glass Painting Keep looking through the glass magazines for classes listed, you will find painting offered occasionally. Good luck! Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 11:56:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: advice Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:21:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" >Would StrongLine be something to use along the bottom pieces of a large prairie lampshade to keep it from "sagging"? I'm assuming StrongLine wou= ld be used similar to rebar in leaded pieces to give it horizontal strength?< What do you mean to keep it from sagging? Nothing in a lampshade should sag, but especially the bottom edge. I use regular copper wire around the bottom of my Tiffany-style lampshades in order to make the bottoms more uniform (i.e. to make the bottom line appear straight), but I've neve used StrongLine. StrongLine's purpose is exactly as you stated...it's similar to rebar in leaded pieces to give copper foiled panels more internal strength. It's a shade too wide and way too inflexible to bend around the edge of lampshades. I mean, it's steel after all. Copper wire is much better at finishing edges for lampshades, IMHO. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 12:37:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Linda Jo Letscher" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:09:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Well, I know what Mission style is -- it's a kind of furniture with lots of simple, clean lines (more related to Frank Lloyd Wright's stained glass windows than anything else I can think of), but I've never heard of "small statues and vases fashioned from stained glass", which the article says is going to be "one of the hottest designs for next year." Wonder if the article was talking about draped vases (made in a kiln) or some sort of cast glass or fused statue? I just can't figure out what else it could be, and given that the press release was furnished to the IGGA (a glass organization, the last time I checked) and posted to Bungi (a glass group, the last time I checked), I just thought someone could shed some light. Oh well, does anyone have any idea, or shall we all just remain ignorant of the "hottest" design trend in the stained glass field? Brad ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Bungi Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:43 AM Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 > Brad, > I am a cold flat glass person, guess I will have to pass on the vase making. > I don't have a clue what Mission Style is, but will wait and see if someone > splanes it. Being from Calif. I know what I think of as Mission Style. But > don't know for sure. > Linda Jo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Walker > To: Christie A. Wood ; Bungi > Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Christie A. Wood > >To: Bungi > >Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:51 AM > >Subject: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 > > > > > >> The following is a press release from Country > >> Sampler's "Country Business" magazine. It is > >> provided as a service to the members of the > >> International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA). > > > > > > > >> -With the Arts and Crafts movement booming, expect Mission-style > >> designs to make a strong statement. Along with furniture and > >> lighting, look for small statues and vases fashioned from stained > >> glass. > > > > > > > >OK, somebody help me. What does a "small statue ... fashioned from stained > >glass" look like? (For that matter, when's the last time you made a > >stained glass vase? > > > >Brad Walker > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 13:36:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: nysernet.org!rjones From: Robin Jones To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:24:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000419162435.007fe870@nysernet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello All- I've been lurking awhile and didn't think I would ever post, but here goes... I'm not sure of the exact trend of vases that the IGGA Press Release if referring to in their Summer Watch 2000, but in recent decorating books I have seen several mosaic vases. The kind where you purchase an inexpensive vase, hot glue the stained glass pieces in place and then apply a grout around the pieces. I'm not sure that I like this look, but plenty of people must - I have seen it in several design books lately. I have also made a vase out of flat panels, soldered them together and applied a silicon seal on the inside solder seams of the vase so that it can hold water. For a beginner, I think it looks really nice, and a bonus - it holds water! :-) I'm waiting for my new garden to begin producing all the beautiful flowers that the seed catalog displayed, and I that I planted last fall with great enthusiasm. I'll be able to give my vase the real water test later this year when my garden is in bloom. - Robin At 08:09 AM 4/19/00 -0400, you wrote: >Well, I know what Mission style is -- it's a kind of furniture with lots of >simple, clean lines (more related to Frank Lloyd Wright's stained glass >windows than anything else I can think of), but I've never heard of "small >statues and vases fashioned from stained glass", which the article says is >going to be "one of the hottest designs for next year." > >Wonder if the article was talking about draped vases (made in a kiln) or >some sort of cast glass or fused statue? I just can't figure out what else >it could be, and given that the press release was furnished to the IGGA (a >glass organization, the last time I checked) and posted to Bungi (a glass >group, the last time I checked), I just thought someone could shed some >light. > >Oh well, does anyone have any idea, or shall we all just remain ignorant of >the "hottest" design trend in the stained glass field? > >Brad >> Brad, >> I am a cold flat glass person, guess I will have to pass on the vase >making. >> I don't have a clue what Mission Style is, but will wait and see if >someone >> splanes it. Being from Calif. I know what I think of as Mission Style. >But >> don't know for sure. >> Linda Jo >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brad Walker >> To: Christie A. Wood ; Bungi >> Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:36 AM >> Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 >> >> >> The following is a press release from Country >> >> Sampler's "Country Business" magazine. It is >> >> provided as a service to the members of the >> >> International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA). >> > >> > >> > >> >> -With the Arts and Crafts movement booming, expect Mission-style >> >> designs to make a strong statement. Along with furniture and >> >> lighting, look for small statues and vases fashioned from stained >> >> glass. >> > >> > >> > >> >OK, somebody help me. What does a "small statue ... fashioned from >stained >> >glass" look like? (For that matter, when's the last time you made a >> >stained glass vase? >> > >> >Brad Walker >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 14:12:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:18:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000419112433.00716950@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk What does a "small statue ... fashioned from stained >glass" look like? (For that matter, when's the last time you made a >stained glass vase? Not wanting to get into either semantics or aesthetics here, but they are probably refering to mosaic work, It's very popular right now...yes I've seen the mosaic vases and some 'ststues'/lights of chickens, etc. Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 15:11:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:54:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: patterns Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:50:37 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I would be happy to send patternsto you ..this is for Bev Kely...Linda and Caroly send me your address..my is Dee weinhandl....33837 no Lake shore Dr..Gages Lake Illinois....no charge for friends......Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 15:14:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:03:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: , , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Web sites about glass painting Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I agree 100% with Ann, Kevin -- you can study your entire life and not learn all there is to know about painting on glass. Elskus's book is the one to get -- it was to have been reprinted and out by mid-March, now they say mid-April, but it's not available yet. Pick up a copy when it's finally reprinted -- it should be soon. The best site I know of on the web for traditional painting on glass is John Clark's: http://www.glasspainter.com/ You can spend an hour just poking around and admiring the work. My site just has a few basics, and there are a couple others out there that have a page or two or explanation, but I haven't found a really good tutorial anywhere on the net. Brad ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Web sites about glass painting > In a message dated 4/19/00 2:33:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Kevin.Longshore@COMPAQ.com writes: > > << Among other things, I'm trying to see how > transparent the paints are on glass. Are some opaque and some transparent? > Thank you. >> > > Hi again, Kevin.. > I didn't see this post til I had answered your later one. Yes, some paints > are more transparent than others. Some will fire lighter than applied, and a > lot depends on the paint, the mix, the base glass, and the firing. I apply > the paints in many layers, adding more shadow and color with each firing. > There is so much to learn in this field, and a lot of it includes > experimenting with your kiln. One good book that is being reprinted soon is > by Albinus Elskus, called "The Art of Painting on Glass". You may be able to > find a few copies from the old printing of it in glass shops. > > For a web site, visit Brad Walker's at www.warmglass.com > or click on Glass > Painting > > Keep looking through the glass magazines for classes listed, you will find > painting offered occasionally. Good luck! > > Ann > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 15:34:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Mission Style Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:15:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me the difference between Mission and Prairie styles? Thanks, Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 16:01:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:30:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass vases Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:12:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk One common idea...but for some reason over looked at times...and a great way to make a stained glass vase that will hold water...is to design it so a clear glass 'florist vase' fits inside of your stained glass shell. These vases are inexpensive and come in a wide range of style and sizes, and I have found that straight sided ones work the best (at least for me). Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 16:20:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: Moya-Don@worldnet.att.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Mission Style Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:42:25 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/19/00 3:35:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Moya-Don@worldnet.att.net writes: > Can anyone tell me the difference between Mission and Prairie styles? > Thanks, > Moya Mission uses native wood that may have knots and tool marks. Prairie has high grade wood, often imported and a high degree of finish. Both styles emphasize function. This is my opinion. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 17:09:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: "bungi" Subject: Thanks for the replys Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:47:38 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello and thank you to everyone that anwered my Help!!! plea. I will let ya'll know how it all turned out or is turning out and such. I anyone still has advice or wants to add anything extra please feel free to chime in, good advice is always welcome with me! Thanks again. Kira ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 17:26:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:13:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:41:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.20000419162435.007fe870@nysernet.org>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I suspect that by statues, they are referring to lamps which are 3-D stained glass turtles, rabbits, snails, etc. and yes they are foiled stained glass. They can be rather amusing, if done well. They are usually patinaed brown/bronze, since that was often the metal used in the Arts and Crafts style. Chances are there is a pattern book out there. > but I've never heard of "small > >statues and vases fashioned from stained glass", which the article says is > >going to be "one of the hottest designs for next year." -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 19 17:59:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mission Style Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:22:34 +0000 Message-ID: <200004192326.TAA24726@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Can anyone tell me the difference between Mission and Prairie > styles? Thanks, Moya They're certainly related, although Prairie tends to use lighter-colored woods and not be as massive. The Mission style is very nearly Gothic in its dark, heavy lines while Prairie's generally lighter both in color and visual weightiness. My opinions and sense of the two styles; not authoritative by any means. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 03:31:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 03:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: CYBERNEX.NET!tonyk From: Tony Kuzinski To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:59:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000419225954.0094cab0@mail.cybernex.net> Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, After reading the numerous posts about stained glass vases and statues I was surprised that no one mentioned www.stainedglasslamps.com His work is incredible to say the least. Hope you enjoy the site as much as I did. Tony ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 03:32:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 03:27:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Depdee70@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re Zinc Framing Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk There seems to be a division between using zinc and 1/2" H came for framing the 7'2" x 14" church windows. I have done both and prefer the zinc because it tends to provide more structure that the H came. True, you do have to measure very carefully if you use zinc...that is one of the advantages of using the H came (being able to trim it). For installation I have asked that clear window glass be on the outside and the panel itself be framed from the inside. So far there hasn't been any problems in the two I have done for our church. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 04:38:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:28:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Kiln Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:24:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Im sure this has been answered before, can a kiln be used for pottery as well as glass? My wife would like to try making bonsai dishes to sell to our club, and also for our use. The ones you get from Japan or China are quite expensive. Thanks in advance. Lee Tollett ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 05:04:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Tony Kuzinski" , Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:17:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Tony, We talked about this a year or so ago. Very intersting stuff to say the least. I would be in the booby hatch after doing one of those things. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Tony Kuzinski To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:38 AM Subject: Gatewayed mail message >Hello everyone, > After reading the numerous posts about stained glass vases and statues I >was surprised that no one mentioned www.stainedglasslamps.com His work is >incredible to say the least. Hope you enjoy the site as much as I did. > Tony > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 07:08:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA volunteer wanted Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:13:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk To all the online IGGA members: I am looking for someone to periodically (like once a quarter) help me out in some IGGA renewal mailings. The task involves stuffing envelops & mailing them. Simple, but somewhat time- consuming. If you are interested in volunteering, please email me privately. Thanks. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 07:11:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #200 built 2000-Apr-18) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Anna Verbsky Sagami" Subject: Re: Dozens Tiffany, Handel lamps: Auction Catalog Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:09:27 +0000 Message-ID: <200004201313.JAA09558@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Are they selling lamps on EBAY, Some day I would love to own a > Tiffany lamp, however I am afraid to buy a reproduction!!!!! I'm afraid that's all I could afford, Anna. The least expensive authentic Tiffany lamp I've ever seen, I think, is in the catalog I mentioned, and it's estimated to sell at auction for $4000-5000. Way out of my reach. On the other hand, a good reproduction is as good as the real thing, as far as something to live with, in my opinion, but heck, I can't afford a good reproduction either. They're $2000-3000. Right? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 09:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Honey, no no no, you took my message wrong.... I love them, they are great. I just can't see myself doing all those zillion small pieces. :-) I have to had it to you. Honest. I just finished underduress a small panel and got tired of those small pieces. Patience is what it boils down to and I don't have it for something like your 3-d creations. You just keep doing your 3D creations. It was maybe a little over a year or so ago (I am not good on cyber time), that we spent a week or so talking about each and every creation on your web page in depth. Hugs, Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Stained Glass Lamps To: Linda Jo Letscher Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message >HI Linda Jo, >I would like to know what we did to be in booby hatch, what did we do?? We >have tried to bend over backwards to help anone . I want to know so it can >be cleared up now. I did not know a problem ever happened. I am very >SORRY if we did offend anyone if we did we are very SORRY! but i don't know >what we did. please advise me. >To all of you have a good day. www.stainedglasslamps.com >Mary & Arkie > >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Jo Letscher >To: Tony Kuzinski >Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:11 AM >Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message > > >>Tony, >>We talked about this a year or so ago. Very intersting stuff to say the >>least. I would be in the booby hatch after doing one of those things. >>Linda Jo >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tony Kuzinski >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:38 AM >>Subject: Gatewayed mail message >> >> >>>Hello everyone, >>> After reading the numerous posts about stained glass vases and statues I >>>was surprised that no one mentioned www.stainedglasslamps.com His work is >>>incredible to say the least. Hope you enjoy the site as much as I did. >>> Tony >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 09:37:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Anna Verbsky Sagami" Subject: Re: Dozens Tiffany, Handel lamps: Auction Catalog Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:21:40 +0000 Message-ID: <200004201625.MAA09174@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I follow you! I know the real ones have gone for over $15,000 > dollars. I hope someday I would have enough money to buy one. Top dollar on a Tiffany lamp is (I think) over $180,000. Maybe more; I don't remember exactly, but $15,000 lamps from the studio are fairly common. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 10:34:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: edupjohn@slonet.org, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Re Zinc Framing Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:34:07 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/20/00 3:32:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, edupjohn@slonet.org writes: > There seems to be a division between using zinc and 1/2" H came for > framing the 7'2" x 14" church windows. I would read the above measurement as 7'2" wide and 14" high. Is this correct? Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 11:41:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: patters & Easter Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:04:51 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Patters will be in mail about 2 weeks.....to all glass..bungi I hope you all have a happy Easter from me to you all Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 11:41:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:30:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: "D. ONeal" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Mission Style Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:40:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000419164004.0097f650@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Prairie style is associated with Frank Lloyd Wright...mission style is associated with the Arts & Crafts movement which was bigger than FLW. I'm not sure if FLW considered himself to be a component of the Arts & Crafts movement. Given his ego, I'd guess he didn't. Here's something on mission style that I cobbled from http://www.studyweb.com/Architecture/ Gustav Stickley Born: March 9, 1858, Osceola, Wisconsin Died: April 21, 1942, Syracuse, New York First trained as a stone mason, Stickley preferred to work in wood and dreamt of building fine tables and chairs. He learned furniture making at his uncle's chair factory in Lanesboro, PA. Traveling to Europe in 1896, he met notable Arts and Crafts designers. The following year he returned to the United States and founded the United Crafts of Eastwood, New York. In 1904 Stickley founded the Craftsman Workshops. The furniture he designed and made was mostly of native American oak. It was of a sturdy-plain design in contrast to the highly decorated late Victorian pieces. Joinery was exposed and upholstery was carried out in canvas and leather (natural materials). It became known as Mission Style. Stickley's designs were exhibited at the prestigious Grand Rapids and Pan American furniture expositions. In 1901 Stickley founded the periodical known as The Craftsman that began by expounding the philosophy of the English Arts & Crafts movement. As it matured, the publication is credited with being the leading voice of that movement in the United States. In 1903 Stickley established the Craftsman Home Builders Club to spread his ideas on domestic architecture. Working with architect Harvey Ellis, he designed house plans for the magazine that later appeared in two books: Craftsman Homes(1909) and More Craftsman Homes. (1912) These books illustrated the homes' exteriors, as well as their interiors, and were accompanied with a floor plan. Financial problems forced Stickley to stop publication of The Craftsman in 1916. While he lived another twenty six years, Stickley's popularity had waned by the end of the Great War. Steve At 04:15 PM 4/19/00 -0400, D. ONeal wrote: >Can anyone tell me the difference between Mission and Prairie styles? >Thanks, >Moya > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 12:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Bobfuses@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Re Zinc Framing Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk i read it as 7 feet 2 inches x 14" we just made some at work for a church installation that were 8 feet x about 7 inches. Suzanne Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/20/00 3:32:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > edupjohn@slonet.org writes: > > > There seems to be a division between using zinc and 1/2" H came for > > framing the 7'2" x 14" church windows. > > I would read the above measurement as 7'2" wide and 14" high. Is this correct? > > Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 12:14:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: psRe: Re Zinc Framing Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<38FF4F84.ACF3D2B7@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk i talked my boss into letting me draw a line in the middle...of the length...were I placed H zinc, inserted u zinc,then started building the top half. once it was all soldered, I pulled the two panels apart, to solder the u zinc to the top half...that way it was easier to deal with moving the panels around prior to installation. at installation the top part of the panel slides into the bottom half and looks like one continuous panel. Suzanne Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > i read it as 7 feet 2 inches x 14" > > we just made some at work for a church installation that were 8 feet > x about 7 inches. > > Suzanne > > Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/20/00 3:32:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > edupjohn@slonet.org writes: > > > > > There seems to be a division between using zinc and 1/2" H came for > > > framing the 7'2" x 14" church windows. > > > > I would read the above measurement as 7'2" wide and 14" high. Is this correct? > > > > Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 12:48:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:22:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: lee tollett Subject: Re: Kiln Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:13:14 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Yes, a ceramics kiln can be used for glass. But not the other way around, as the glass kilns do not have the capacity to reach ceramic temperatures. AS the ceramic kilns have insulating bricks which retain more heat than the glass kilns, they are very good at annealing the glass without input of heat, at least for things less than 12 inches dia. You need to be careful to flash vent enough to keep the glass from devitrifying. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, lee tollett writes > Im sure this has been answered before, can a >kiln be used for pottery as well as glass? >My wife would like to try making bonsai dishes to >sell to our club, and also for our use. The ones >you get from Japan or China are quite expensive. >Thanks in advance. > >Lee Tollett > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 13:16:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Soraya Subject: Re: stained glass vases Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:29:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Stained glass vases is one of the areas where good practice in cutting, cleaning, foiling, and soldering pays dividends. The glass should be cut cleanly, so minimum of tapping. If you do have to grind, make sure you clean the faces and edges really well. Get rid of all the oils, dust and anything which will interfere with the foil sticking really well. The foil has to be burnished well ( I find black backed foil useless) to ensure it is well stuck to the glass. Tin all the foil before assembly into three dimensions. Assemble tightly. Rubber bands or soft clamps are useful. Lay down neat smooth beads of solder on all joints. Butted joints are better than those which meet only at the inside corners, leaving a really big bead (usually uneven) on every corner. The bottom should be fitted tightly as the last item (also tinned) and soldered neatly. To judge whether you have soldered neatly, consider whether you could slide the completed vase across the table without scratching the surface. A neatly beaded bottom will not. A vase completed this way should rarely leak. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Soraya writes >One common idea...but for some reason over looked at times...and a great way >to make a stained glass vase that will hold water...is to design it so a >clear glass 'florist vase' fits inside of your stained glass shell. > >These vases are inexpensive and come in a wide range of style and sizes, and >I have found that straight sided ones work the best (at least for me). > >Soraya > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 13:30:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [Fwd: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000] Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:47:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I guess this didn't make it through the first time. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:57:29 -0700 =46rom: rrk To: Linda Jo Letscher CC: Bungi References: <1970Jan1.000.0@mta2.snfc21.pbi.net> Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Brad, > I am a cold flat glass person, guess I will have to pass on the vas= e making. > I don't have a clue what Mission Style is, but will wait and see if= someone > splanes it. Being from Calif. I know what I think of as Mission St= yle. But > don't know for sure. Hi Linda, To clarify a bit of what Albert said. The "Mission" style, aka Craftsman style, from the Arts and Crafts movement originating in Britian and reaching its apex in the USA, has absolute= ly nothing whatsoever to do with the California missions (the furnishings contai= ned therein) other than the appellation. The Craftsman style is largely known through the furniture. The California Missions were a set of churches along the California coastline, each within one day's walk of one another, that were established by a= nd under the authority of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Their stated purpos= e was to Christianize the indigenous population. The priests were largely of = the Spanish nationality and carried to the New World on the ships of Imperial Spain. The furnishings and style of the missions were made of oak because oak wa= s commonly available. The lines were simple because the people making the furniture weren't very good carpenters or ebenistes. Most of the relatively mod= ern furniture making techniques with mortise and tenon joinery and so on = had yet to be developed, even in Europe. Moreover, the priests were men of God, not cabinet makers or builders and wouldn't have had extensive training i= n such secular matters even if the techniques had existed. Even a cursory comparative examination of the furniture in the California Missions and the Craftsman style, will show the Craftsman style is quite sophisticated in terms of the wood joinery whereas the furniture of the California Missions, what little= is extant, is quite primitive. The VERY slight resemblance of the two styles is only due to the simplicity of the design lines. The Arts and Crafts movement was, at first, largely philosophical; th= ey are generally referred to as Utopian Socialists. The appelation "mission= " simply comes from the fact that the movement had a mission : its philosophic= al orientation. [These days, we'd say they had an agenda ] The movem= ent flourished between around 1870 to about 1930 though it has been rediscovered in the last 10-15 years, at least in the USA. Art critic John Ruskin and designer William Morris were the leading proponents of the movement in Britian= .=20 In the USA, Gustav Stickley and Elbert Hubbard are the best known [I think Hubbard was American, someone correct me if I'm wrong]. The architect Frank Lloy= d Wright utilized numerous design elements from the movement during certain periods of his career. Strictly speaking FLW was not a part of the Arts and Cra= fts movement though kin to them in spirit in some important ways; Mr. Wri= ght had his own agenda, first and foremost of which was his promotion of himself = as the great architectural genius. The Arts and Crafts movement promoted an= d esposed design ideals of beauty simplicity and harmony. Use of natural materials was almost obligatory. The relationship of the craftsperson to the objec= t made is the central element of their philosophy whether the object is furnitu= re, pottery, glassware, textiles, metalware, or whatever. Arts and Craft= s communities were organized all over England and the USA though most o= f them didn't last very long. In the USA the socialist connection was lost (socialism didn't and doesn't go very far here) and the democratization of the A= rts and Crafts became of central importance. One of them (can't remember whi= ch one), said : The product of the Hand Heart and Head is a thing to be loved.= =20 (that=92s pretty close anyway ). Another one said (again a 'quote' from memory) : Have nothing in your homes that you do not believe to be beautiful and kno= w to be useful. If you really want to look into it, just poke around on th= e web a bit =85 maybe pay a visit to your local public library =85 you'll = find volumes on all the people mentioned. Gustav Stickley published a magazine/catal= og called The Craftsman which has been reproduced countless times. A lot of th= eir designs (though not the philosophy ) were advertised in places like The Ladies Home Journal and similar publications in the USA from around the turn of t= he century to around the 1920's. The glass designs were simple (and to me borin= g) geometric designs. Also, quartersawn wood (from any tree) is the most dimensionally stab= le wood and the best wood overall for any kind of furniture making. Oak was plentiful, common, and is a solid durable wood; therefore oak fit the philosphy = of the Craftsman movement to a T. These are the main reasons the Craftsman style was made of quartersawn white oak. The distinctive grain pattern of quatersawn white oak is enhanced when the wood is put in an enclosed room with saturated ammonia solution ("fuming" ammonia) before a final protective finish = is applied. This isn't done too much anymore as its such a PITB to do a= nd fuming ammonia isn't much fun to be around. Wood stains to enhance the quartersawn white oak grain pattern are now cheap and actually better than fuming with ammonia (just to mention being easier to do ). There are some similarities between both the philosophy and the simpl= e design lines of the Shakers and the Craftsman. Both of those movements star= ted in Great Britain and reached their apex in the USA. Not many Shakers around anymore ... religious sects that are against sex tend not to last too long =2E.. but there are a lot of Shaker museums on the east coast of the = USA and books describing Shaker furniture, houses, baskets, and so on ... are easil= y found so you can see the similarity. There is a lot of Craftsman glassware on eBay, or at least I remember seeing it there some months back. Glass collections from the period 1870-193= 0 should have at least some designs in the Craftsman style. Remember : the hallmark is simplicity, and they'll have been produced either the USA or England (for the most part anyway). Anyway =85 gotta keep movin' ... regards =85 Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 14:37:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: bigvalley.net!anyways From: "Linda" To: "Bungi List" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re Zinc Framing Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:22:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk The windows are 7" 2" tall by 14" wide. Sorry for the mix up. Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 15:03:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:43:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Anna Verbsky Sagami" Subject: Re: Dozens Tiffany, Handel lamps: Auction Catalog Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:14:42 +0000 Message-ID: <200004201918.PAA02600@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I follow you! I know the real ones have gone for over $15,000 > dollars. Oops! I just asked Julie Sloan, whose memory's a durn sight better than mine. She says top auction price on a Tiffany lamp is about $1,200,000.00 ... one million two, as a real estate agent would put it. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 15:26:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "lee tollett" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Kiln Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:32:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk > Im sure this has been answered before, can a > kiln be used for pottery as well as glass? Absolutely yes. > My wife would like to try making bonsai dishes to > sell to our club, and also for our use. The ones > you get from Japan or China are quite expensive. In fact, since bonsai dishes are quite shallow, they're very close to fused and slumped glass forms in shape and would work very well in a glass kiln. Also, if you wanted you could make some really fantastic glass bonsai dishes that would really outshine the traditional ones. Use opaque glass, maybe even some irridescent. Good luck. Brad Walker http://www.warmglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 15:47:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kiln Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:27:33 +0000 Message-ID: <200004202131.RAA05485@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Yes, a ceramics kiln can be used for glass. But not the other way > around, as the glass kilns do not have the capacity to reach ceramic > temperatures. Hi, Steve. What you say is true of most low-fire and high-fire ware, but aren't there a few ultra-low fire clays that would suit? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 16:15:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Linda , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Re Zinc Framing Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:56:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk im glad for it, because i learned from it. it's no wonder i call him guru bob ;o) (even if it does need to be spelled out sometimes) suzanne Linda wrote: > > The windows are 7" 2" tall by 14" wide. Sorry for the mix up. > Linda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 21:00:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Brad Walker" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Web sites about glass painting Date: Thu, 20 Apr 00 19:08:19 Message-ID: <200004210206.UAA14708@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:39:40 -0400, Brad Walker wrote: >The best site I know of on the web for traditional painting on glass is John >Clark's: http://www.glasspainter.com/ >Brad Thanks Brad!! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 21:02:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Mission Style Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Per The Quarterly, a magazine put out by the Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation, "Prairie" was a style perpetuated by Wright and his architectural students, 1900-1910. Modern mechanical heating systems made opening the floor plans up, creating public rooms that were open to a central area and fireplace, feasible. Wright eliminated the cluttered "box" style of the Victorian houses, creating fluid lines and walls. The Prairie houses were called that because their horizontal lines imitated the flat ground plane seen so often in the Midwest; the homes flowed around the central fireplace in the center of a "T" shaped floor plan. They were very detailed and sought unity in furniture, home and the environment. Prairie was actually more of a unifying decorative "scheme". The Dana house, the one with all the famous stained glass panels and lamps, was built 1902-1904; that is his most famous (at least to us glass people) Prairie house. The designs of the st.glass panels, lamps and furniture represent things in Nature, such as sumac leaves, butterflies, etc. Wright designed all the furniture and fixtures that went into the homes and this is what people refer to as the "prairie period ". His furniture was, as Bob said, clean and lots of straight lines, often built to fit into a certain area, like the lamps above the dining table in the Dana house as well as the table and chairs themselves. Wright was even known to enter clients houses and move chairs, etc., back their original places if he saw that the owner had rearranged them. Missions style furniture was from the Arts and Crafts movement, which flourished from 1870 to around 1920. Gustav Stickley, William Morris, Elbert Hubbard and others are still very collectible. Often you could buy the plans to build a Mission style chair, table or bench from a magazine such as The Craftsman or others in the period. These home-made versions were often made of pine or whatever was available or affordable, so that's why you'll find some with knots or other such endearing imperfections in the wood. However, true Stickley's or Morris' were often of much better quality wood and craftmanship. William Morris said, "have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful." Price, Rohlfs, Burleigh and Zuppann were very well-regarded furniture makers of the period. Wright was inspired by, and himself inspired, many of their designs. -Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 20 22:33:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:16:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Mission Style [ng] Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.20000419164004.0097f650@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk --------------D8C41E988111DB0B1829F3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The arts and crafts movement was rather backward looking (consciously emulating the medieval), whereas Frank Lloyd Wright was starting at the a&c and looking forward - you can definitely see that you could furnish a prairie style home in Stickley and vice versa up 'til about the 1st world war. But by then FLW had moved way beyond the a&c movement, incorporating Mayan, Japanese, some Shaker, and eventually Scandinavian influences. His design was growing and changing. The a&c wasn't and pretty much was passé by the end of the 30s. Grand Rapids, Michigan, being the huge furniture manufacturing center that it was, did some fine a&c work and Baker, I think (in Zeeland MI) and Steelcase did some fine FLW work in the more modern styles (Johnson's desks, chairs, etc. in Racine, WI). However the very simplicity of the a&c style led to cheap knock-offs, very popular because they were cheap, and here the line between the more English inspired furniture and that of the Spanish Missions blurred. Part of that blur was because the a&c movement really took off in California, and the California Bungalow was an a&c style that invited the use of the Spanish influence, and that wave of popularity spread back eastward. The vast majority of the people who owned mission furniture owned the cheap stuff, and thought of it as originating in the Spanish rather than a&c. and a great deal of it was below plain to downright ugly. If you are ever in Connellsville PA, go to The Station, the Youghiogheny Glass company store. The owner of the glass company has a fine collection of mission furniture which is used throughout the building. Actually, the man who waited on us when we were there said the owner's wife told him to get rid of it - not in her house: she wasn't going to live with it. Many people came to hate the style because they'd seen so much of the cheap stuff they couldn't appreciate the good. - Cec > > > At 04:15 PM 4/19/00 -0400, D. ONeal wrote: > >Can anyone tell me the difference between Mission and Prairie styles? > >Thanks, > >Moya > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* --------------D8C41E988111DB0B1829F3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The arts and crafts movement was rather backward looking (consciously emulating the medieval), whereas Frank Lloyd Wright was starting at the a&c and looking forward - you can definitely see that you could furnish a prairie style home in Stickley and vice versa up 'til about the 1st world war.  But by then FLW had moved way beyond the a&c movement, incorporating Mayan, Japanese, some Shaker, and eventually Scandinavian influences.  His design was growing and changing.  The a&c wasn't and pretty much was passé by the end of the 30s.   Grand Rapids, Michigan, being the huge furniture manufacturing center that it was, did some fine a&c work and Baker, I think (in Zeeland MI) and Steelcase did some fine FLW work in the more modern styles (Johnson's desks, chairs, etc. in Racine, WI).  However the very simplicity of the a&c style led to cheap knock-offs, very popular because they were cheap, and here the line between the more English inspired furniture and that of the Spanish Missions blurred.  Part of that blur was because the a&c movement really took off in California, and the California Bungalow was an a&c style that invited the use of the Spanish influence, and that wave of popularity spread back eastward.  The vast majority of the people who owned mission furniture owned the cheap stuff, and thought of it as originating in the Spanish rather than a&c. and a great deal of it was below plain to downright ugly.

If you are ever in Connellsville PA, go to The Station, the Youghiogheny Glass company store.  The owner of the glass company has a fine collection of mission furniture which is used throughout the building.  Actually, the man who waited on us when we were there said the owner's wife told him to get rid of it - not in her house: she wasn't going to live with it.  Many people came to hate the style because they'd seen so much of the cheap stuff they couldn't appreciate the good. - Cec
 

 

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>Moya
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  --------------D8C41E988111DB0B1829F3A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 00:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Longshore, Kevin" Subject: Re: Web sites about glass painting Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Kevin, I don't think you will find much help in terms of transparency and opacity from images on the websites as they will have been taken with transmitted light from behind. In general, glass paints are opaque and glass enamels are transparent. It is possible to get opaque enamels, but in my opinion they are inferior to the transparent, by being dull. Also transparent enamels are very sensitive to temperature variations, causing different shades of the same colours. For example only 10 degrees C. is the difference between a red (which sometimes is not fused to the glass) and an ugly brownish red. The purpose of glass paints (again in my opinion) is to modify the light coming through the glass, not to colour it. The glass colours the light which is restricted or enhanced in various ways by the paint. Again, the purpose of the paint is not to represent the true colours of the objects represented, but to provide lines, depth, moulding to the figures, objects, etc. Sure, you can paint on glass, and there are plenty of excellent examples, but it would seem better to me to do that painting on canvas. Get a copy of Albinus Elskus' book on glass painting to see the detail you are after. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Longshore, Kevin writes > I am looking for web sites which have good photos of glass painting -with >closeups and details. The few sites I've found have some beautiful glass >painting, but nothing close up. Among other things, I'm trying to see how >transparent the paints are on glass. Are some opaque and some transparent? >Thank you. > > >Make it a good day. >Kevin > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 00:44:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Kiln - low-fire clays Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200004202131.RAA05485@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Yes, there are a number of low-fire clays that can be used in a glass kiln. Most are in a category called "Earthenware" clays, which are generally fired to around Cone 06 to Cone 04. That's around 1800 to 2000 degrees F, at the high end of the range for most glass kilns, but generally achieveable. Low-fire commercial glazes are also available. If you're making bonsai trays, Earthenware ought to work very well (although I still think a tray out of glass could be even better). Brad Walker http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Lewis To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Kiln > > > Yes, a ceramics kiln can be used for glass. But not the other way > > around, as the glass kilns do not have the capacity to reach ceramic > > temperatures. > > Hi, Steve. What you say is true of most low-fire and high-fire ware, > but aren't there a few ultra-low fire clays that would suit? > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 03:02:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mission Style [ng] Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:41:12 +0000 Message-ID: <200004210845.EAA15161@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > versa up 'til about the 1st world war. But by then FLW had moved > way beyond the a&c movement, incorporating Mayan, Japanese, some > Shaker, and eventually Scandinavian influences. Of course, he denied he'd been influenced by any of those. He did it all his own self. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 03:19:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:49:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mission Style Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:41:12 +0000 Message-ID: <200004210845.EAA06622@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The Dana house, the one with all the > famous stained glass panels and lamps, was built 1902-1904; that is > his most famous (at least to us glass people) Prairie house. The > designs of the st.glass panels, lamps and furniture represent things > in Nature, such as sumac leaves, butterflies, etc. Actually, most of Wright's houses from the 1890s through the 1920s or so had stained glass (or a least leaded clear glass) in them. It's interesting to note his progression from what are pretty much Victorian styles (in the Home & Studio) to the more familiar (to us) rectilinear designs. But I don't think he never actually said the designs represented sumac leaves, butterflies, etc. I don't think there's any basis for assuming that, although a few florid writers have made a connection between his comments about natural forms and good design. A number of myths about the Great Man have arisen, some of them encouraged by Wrightophiles, to be sure, but like the later owners of the New York Times who often quoted founder Ochs's line about "all the news that's fit to print," they never quoted it quite as he had said it. My 2c. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 03:22:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 03:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: IGGA Press Release:Trend Watch-Summer 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:57:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta2.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Brad, > I am a cold flat glass person, guess I will have to pass on the vas= e making. > I don't have a clue what Mission Style is, but will wait and see if= someone > splanes it. Being from Calif. I know what I think of as Mission St= yle. But > don't know for sure. Hi Linda, To clarify a bit of what Albert said. The "Mission" style, aka Craftsman style, from the Arts and Crafts mo= vement originating in Britian and reaching its apex in the USA, has absolute= ly nothing whatsoever to do with the California missions (the furnishings contai= ned therein) other than the appellation. The Craftsman style is largely = known through the furniture. The California Missions were a set of churches along the California c= oastline, each within one day's walk of one another, that were established by a= nd under the authority of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Their stated purpos= e was to Christianize the indigenous population. The priests were largely of = the Spanish nationality and carried to the New World on the ships of Imperial Spa= in. The furnishings and style of the missions were made of oak because oak wa= s commonly available. The lines were simple because the people making the furni= ture weren't very good carpenters or ebenistes. Most of the relatively mod= ern furniture making techniques with mortise and tenon joinery and so on = had yet to be developed, even in Europe. Moreover, the priests were men of God,= not cabinet makers or builders and wouldn't have had extensive training i= n such secular matters even if the techniques had existed. Even a cursory c= omparative examination of the furniture in the California Missions and the Craft= sman style, will show the Craftsman style is quite sophisticated in terms of the = wood joinery whereas the furniture of the California Missions, what little= is extant, is quite primitive. The VERY slight resemblance of the two styles is= only due to the simplicity of the design lines. The Arts and Crafts movement was, at first, largely philosophical; th= ey are generally referred to as Utopian Socialists. The appelation "mission= " simply comes from the fact that the movement had a mission : its philosophic= al orientation. [These days, we'd say they had an agenda ] The movem= ent flourished between around 1870 to about 1930 though it has been redis= covered in the last 10-15 years, at least in the USA. Art critic John Ruskin and= designer William Morris were the leading proponents of the movement in Britian= . In the USA, Gustav Stickley and Elbert Hubbard are the best known [I think H= ubbard was American, someone correct me if I'm wrong]. The architect Frank Lloy= d Wright utilized numerous design elements from the movement during certain pe= riods of his career. Strictly speaking FLW was not a part of the Arts and Cra= fts movement though kin to them in spirit in some important ways; Mr. Wri= ght had his own agenda, first and foremost of which was his promotion of himself = as the great architectural genius. The Arts and Crafts movement promoted an= d esposed design ideals of beauty simplicity and harmony. Use of natural mater= ials was almost obligatory. The relationship of the craftsperson to the objec= t made is the central element of their philosophy whether the object is furnitu= re, pottery, glassware, textiles, metalware, or whatever. Arts and Craft= s communities were organized all over England and the USA though most o= f them didn't last very long. In the USA the socialist connection was lost = (socialism didn't and doesn't go very far here) and the democratization of the A= rts and Crafts became of central importance. One of them (can't remember whi= ch one), said : The product of the Hand Heart and Head is a thing to be loved.= (that=92s pretty close anyway ). Another one said (again a 'quote' from mem= ory) : Have nothing in your homes that you do not believe to be beautiful and kno= w to be useful. If you really want to look into it, just poke around on th= e web a bit =85 maybe pay a visit to your local public library =85 you'll = find volumes on all the people mentioned. Gustav Stickley published a magazine/catal= og called The Craftsman which has been reproduced countless times. A lot of th= eir designs (though not the philosophy ) were advertised in places like The La= dies Home Journal and similar publications in the USA from around the turn of t= he century to around the 1920's. The glass designs were simple (and to me borin= g) geometric designs. Also, quartersawn wood (from any tree) is the most dimensionally stab= le wood and the best wood overall for any kind of furniture making. Oak was plen= tiful, common, and is a solid durable wood; therefore oak fit the philosphy = of the Craftsman movement to a T. These are the main reasons the Craftsman = style was made of quartersawn white oak. The distinctive grain pattern of quat= ersawn white oak is enhanced when the wood is put in an enclosed room with s= aturated ammonia solution ("fuming" ammonia) before a final protective finish = is applied. This isn't done too much anymore as its such a PITB to do a= nd fuming ammonia isn't much fun to be around. Wood stains to enhance the quar= tersawn white oak grain pattern are now cheap and actually better than fuming= with ammonia (just to mention being easier to do ). There are some similarities between both the philosophy and the simpl= e design lines of the Shakers and the Craftsman. Both of those movements star= ted in Great Britain and reached their apex in the USA. Not many Shakers ar= ound anymore ... religious sects that are against sex tend not to last too= long =2E.. but there are a lot of Shaker museums on the east coast of the = USA and books describing Shaker furniture, houses, baskets, and so on ... are easil= y found so you can see the similarity. There is a lot of Craftsman glassware on eBay, or at least I remember= seeing it there some months back. Glass collections from the period 1870-193= 0 should have at least some designs in the Craftsman style. Remember : the ha= llmark is simplicity, and they'll have been produced either the USA or England = (for the most part anyway). Anyway =85 gotta keep movin' ... regards =85 Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 06:31:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "lee tollett" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Kiln Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:03:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk i heard that you can't. something about the dust from the clay getting into or on to the glass. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: lee tollett [mailto:leetollett@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:24 AM > To: Bungi > Subject: Kiln > > > Im sure this has been answered before, can a > kiln be used for pottery as well as glass? > My wife would like to try making bonsai dishes to > sell to our club, and also for our use. The ones > you get from Japan or China are quite expensive. > Thanks in advance. > > Lee Tollett > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 07:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:06:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele S" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Kiln Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:17:37 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This thread echoes something I just checked out last week. I am waiting for the delivery of my new kiln and asked some potters at a pottery shop this very question. There ARE some clays that can be fired as low as 1800 degrees, but the choices are limited. Michele >From: "Albert Lewis" >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Kiln >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:27:33 +0000 > > > Yes, a ceramics kiln can be used for glass. But not the other way > > around, as the glass kilns do not have the capacity to reach ceramic > > temperatures. > >Hi, Steve. What you say is true of most low-fire and high-fire ware, >but aren't there a few ultra-low fire clays that would suit? > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 14:07:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Kiln Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:52:00 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/21/00 6:34:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, esavad@home.net writes: > i heard that you can't. something about the dust from the clay getting into > or on to the glass. > That myth is not true. There is several pounds of kiln wash powder in the bottom of my kiln right not and none of it flies up to get on the work. Many glass kilns and controllers are rated to fire to a maximum of 1700'F. This is fine for bisk firing but falls about 500'F short of pottery firing temperatures. If I wanted to do clay, I would fire to bisk, decorate and then take to a pottery shop for the final firing. I do sometimes fire clay molds to bisk and have then used them for years. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 14:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: earthlink.net!oakhill00 From: oakhill00@earthlink.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Web sites about glass painting Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 8:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The book The Art of Stained Glass (Chris Peterson, 1998, Quarry Press, ISBN: 1-56496-463-9) has some interesting examples of contemporary stained glass painting. I would suggest looking for the book at your local library rather than buying it. It is not a how-to book. Most public libraries are also willing to do an inter-library loan if a book you'd like to see is not in their collection. Judy --- > [Original Message] > From: Brad Walker > Date: 4/19/00 5:23:09 PM > Subject: Re: Web sites about glass painting > > I agree 100% with Ann, Kevin -- you can study your entire life and not learn > all there is to know about painting on glass. Elskus's book is the one to > get -- it was to have been reprinted and out by mid-March, now they say > mid-April, but it's not available yet. Pick up a copy when it's finally > reprinted -- it should be soon. > > The best site I know of on the web for traditional painting on glass is John > Clark's: http://www.glasspainter.com/ You can spend an hour just poking > around and admiring the work. My site just has a few basics, and there are > a couple others out there that have a page or two or explanation, but I > haven't found a really good tutorial anywhere on the net. > > Brad > ------------------ > For information about warm glass techniques and processes > such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit > the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 14:38:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:32:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Albert Lewis Subject: Re: Kiln Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:56:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200004202131.RAA05485@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk In message <200004202131.RAA05485@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>, Albert Lewis writes > >> Yes, a ceramics kiln can be used for glass. But not the other way >> around, as the glass kilns do not have the capacity to reach ceramic >> temperatures. > >Hi, Steve. What you say is true of most low-fire and high-fire ware, >but aren't there a few ultra-low fire clays that would suit? > Possibly, o4r probably. I don't have any expertise in ceramic at all! Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 19:07:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: voyager.net!glasscat From: "Carolyn" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Soldering Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungians: This really hasn't got anything to do with glass, but it's pretty interesting if you're really into soldering. http://www.visionstones.com Carolyn glasscat@voyager.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 21:07:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ic24.net!glasworks.glasgow From: glassworks glasgow To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Asbestos worry UK update Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:57:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone An update for all UK bungi people. It seems that as of the 24 of November 1999 asbestos is effectively banned (Statutory Instrument 1999 No 2373). I did a very quick check through Lycos (typed in asbestos) and found the two following commercial sites www.clough.dircon.co.uk www.arca.org.uk Both sites although selling a removal service for asbestos quote and link to The Health and Safety Executive (UK) on asbestos. It would be worth while checking out all three of these sites if you have any asbestos at all in a studio or teaching environment, if you have you may find that you new legal responsibilities, for instance disposal and selling of equipment, notification that asbestos is present, and potential immediate replacement, anyway check out in detail for yourselves if you think that you have asbestos > Joe Boyle & Yvonne Smith > Glasworks Glasgow > 143 Oxford Street > Glasgow > G5 9JE > Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 21 21:58:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ic24.net!glasworks.glasgow From: glassworks glasgow To: Brad Walker , Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Web sites about glass painting Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:56:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Kevin By all means try and get a copy of Albinas Elskus's book, by any means possible, it is an excellent work, it could be argued that it is the best book written on glass painting to date. We certainly think so anyway! However dont stop there, look at as many books and web sites from around the world as possible, they will all have something different to contribute to an understanding and knowledge of the ART of glass painting. But dont stop there, try and visit as many sites as possible that contain painted and stained glass windows. For instance visit religious buildings where ever you go, and observe the way different light conditions are affected by and affect stained glass. There is no substitute for the real thing, so when you get Albinas's book try and visit some of the examples of his work in the book, and I think you will be pleasently suprised not only by his virtuosity as a master craftsman but also his sensitivity as an artist. When we were in New York last year Albinas suggested that we visit his own personal favourite commission which is; St Gertrudes' Cemetry Mausoleum of the Good Shepard, Colonia, New Jersey. This commission was started in I think 1984 and is remarkable for having been returned to in the 90's and completed by Albinas with the help and assistance of The Gil Studio, whose glass painters did most of the work. Albinas suffered a stroke in 1993 and retrained himself to paint and draw with his left hand (a remarkable achievement) and actually contributed some glass painting on this last window for the Mausoleum. If you are not near this area dont despair he has an extensive catalogue of work across the U.S.A. contact the Corning Museum or the Stained Glass Association of America and they should be able to provide lists. It may be a good idea to say where you are geographically from and other bungi pepole may be able to point you in the direction of other glass artists work which may be local to you or maybe not so local, but which you may find your self able to visit one day. For instance Albinas acknowledges his great mentor, teacher and eventual friend John Gordon Gutherie as the deciding influnce on the completion of his stained glass apprenticeship in New York. Gutherie took one look at Albinas's portfolio in 1953/54 and suggested to the studios of George Durhan and Son N.Y. that it would be a very good idea to take him on, the rest is history. Gutherie originally came from Glasgow, Scotland in 1896 to work for L.C Tiffany. He left behind a city literally awash with talent not only in stained glass but in the arts and crafts in general, eg Charles Rennie Mackintosh, Oscar Paterson, the list is long and better covered by Michael Donnely's book, Scotland's Stained Glass "Making The Colours Sing" which was originally published by Her Majesty's Stationary Office but is now back in print under a new publisher, well worth a read. On the same note the web site recently mentioned, www.glasspainter.com belongs to a fellow contemporary Glaswegian, John Clark, although sadly most of his work seems to be made in Germany these days. There is still a good stained glass talent base in Scotland these days but I'm sure Steve Richard of Verrier Art Glass Ltd can bring you up to speed on whats happening in Scottish Glass far better than we can. Well with a bit of luck you will now be inundated with places to visit and windows to see. Joe Boyle & Yvonne Smith Glasworks Glasgow ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 05:37:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Asbestos worry US "update" (2c) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:04:38 +0000 Message-ID: <200004221209.IAA22596@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > An update for all UK bungi people. It seems that as of the 24 of > November 1999 asbestos is effectively banned (Statutory Instrument > 1999 No 2373) I think if you check your local, state and federal rules in the U.S., you'll find the same thing. Our house, like many in this country, had had its exposed steam pipes in the basement wrapped with asbestos as an insulator, but it had been removed years ago. When we were in the process of buying the house and had it inspected, a 3-inch bit of this stuff had been left in an obscure section of the basement. Guys in moon suits were to remove it taking all possible precautions. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 08:09:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Kiln Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:26:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for your impute on my question about Kilns. It looks like I will find a supplier for a pottery kiln. Thanks Brad for your suggestion to make Bonsai dishes out of glass. That got my wife's interest going, in turn will allow me to spend the money for a kiln. (GREAT) !!! I will go to the library and get some books on pottery, and educate my self a little before taking a class. Thanks again everyone for your comments.... Have a nice day !! Lee Tollett ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 08:50:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:31:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: from IGGA:GUILD.com Press Release Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:28:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following press release is from The Guild, a well-respected listing o= f artists which architects and interior designers reference for commission work. I= GGA is not affiliated in any way with The Guild, and is providing this press release= as a service to our online members. Christie A. 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Registered members can list their upcoming buildin= g projects, commissions, portfolio requests and competitions with GUILD.com's databas= e of 1,500 professional artists for free. Both the design professional and the artist benefit from this new service= From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 09:38:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:29:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: psRe: Re Zinc Framing Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne: Just read with interest your take on separating the panel into two pieces. Not sure I clearly understand it and wish you would be more specific. How does the U zinc slip onto/into the H zinc? This sounds like you have really been creative in engineering the reinforcement "problem." Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 10:55:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Bobfuses@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re Zinc Framing Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<90.3454c81.26308b7f@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Sorry Bob. Please read the 7'2" as height and 14" as width. Sorry for the confusion. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 11:55:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:31:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: psRe: Re Zinc Framing Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:52:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk at the top of the bottom panel i used H zinc. I think it was 3/4 inch. into the open end of the H zinc, I inserted small u zinc...dont know the size...just looked for a scrap peice that fit. I then started building the top panel into that u zinc fitted into the H zinc, just as I would begin a new panel. once soldered, except for the lead that would attach to the u zinc, I pulled the top panel out of the H zinc. I then had to pry the u zinc out with a horse shoe nail, stick it back onto the bottom of the top panel and solder it on. It was more for handling purposes than for reinforcement, however, it doesnt hurt reinforcment wise. I built 10 panels that size, and it just made handling and storage of them much easier before we got to installation. there were 50 total panels...and we were getting tired of repairing panels that we hadnt gotten out of the shop yet! ;o) Hope this was more clear. Suzanne "Peggy W. Johnsen" wrote: > > Suzanne: Just read with interest your take on separating the panel into > two pieces. Not sure I clearly understand it and wish you would be more > specific. How does the U zinc slip onto/into the H zinc? This sounds > like you have really been creative in engineering the reinforcement > "problem." Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 13:31:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass-request@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Asbestos worry US "update" (2c) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:59:23 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/22/00 5:38:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: > When we were in the > process of buying the house and had it inspected, a 3-inch bit of > this stuff had been left in an obscure section of the basement. Guys > in moon suits were to remove it taking all possible precautions. > > Albert No reflection on you Albert but IMO we have carried the asbestos thing to the point of paranoia I understand that asbestos fibers have little barbs on them unlike smooth fiberglass and these barbs cause the fibers to stick in lung material. Other things-like tobacco tar-then enter around the fiber and are held in contact with lung material and cause problems. The asbestos in and of itself is not any more harmful than fiberglass. This from an MD to me a few years ago. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 15:41:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Asbestos worry US "update" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:47:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Showed your note to my daughter who was an environmental consultant for years, and did Phase 1s, 2s, and 3s (environmental inspections and cleanups prior to selling real estate) all over the US. She said asbestos itself causes meselthelioma (sp?) without any other participating factor. She now works for the Maryland Dept. of Environment. Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/22/00 5:38:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: > > > When we were in the > > process of buying the house and had it inspected, a 3-inch bit of > > this stuff had been left in an obscure section of the basement. Guys > > in moon suits were to remove it taking all possible precautions. > > > > Albert > > No reflection on you Albert but IMO we have carried the asbestos thing to the > point of paranoia > > I understand that asbestos fibers have little barbs on them unlike smooth > fiberglass and these barbs cause the fibers to stick in lung material. Other > things-like tobacco tar-then enter around the fiber and are held in contact > with lung material and cause problems. The asbestos in and of itself is not > any more harmful than fiberglass. This from an MD to me a few years ago. > > Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 17:14:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:59:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Asbestos worry US "update" [ ng ] Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:51:17 +0000 Message-ID: <200004222255.SAA17528@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > > No reflection on you Albert but IMO we have carried the asbestos > > thing to the point of paranoia No problem. I didn't feel reflected on at all. Have discovered a new use for bran cereals, though: as a substitute for asbestos since they're worthless as fighters of colon cancer. I've decided that it's best to eat whatever's not recommended, smoke and drink at will, 'cause it's the recommended things that turn out to be doing the most harm and one might as well address quality of life whilst the Jim Fixx's of the world drop on the jogging track. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 22 22:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: waxing Date: Thu, 20 Apr 00 19:13:02 Message-ID: <200004230439.WAA28822@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I've received some interest on my shower mosaic.. thanks to all for showing enthusiasm!!(now I _have_ to do it...) I'll try to remember to put an accessible URL for everyone to see a scanned picture of the thing.. Hope it really looks like the mental vision I have of it.. Candy On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:54:41 -0400, D. ONeal wrote: >I am sure we would all like to see a photo of your shower when you are >finished. Just scan a photo for us. >Thanks, >Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 23 01:42:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: yahoo.com!d22kumar From: =?iso-8859-1?q?daleep=20kumar?= To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: re:Slumping/Mould marks. Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi.I do not do any warm/hot glass work.Read in a catalogue about a compound called "MOLD ARMOR" which leaves no trace on formed glass.Can be used with S.S,ceramics.Can be polished with steel wool.Also one application can last upto 60 times.Hope this helps. -Daleep-. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 23 05:15:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #201 built 2000-Apr-20) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Resubscribe Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:06:36 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am home from Florida and can't wait to get back on the bungi list. I miss my glass! Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 23 13:43:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #202 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Asbestos worry US "update" [ ng ] Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:16:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Well said, Albert. -Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 23 17:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:41:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mission Style (fwd) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk When I read Steve Wernecke's comments about the Craftsman movement I wrote to him asking if Sears had borrowed the name for its line of tools. I'm posting his response belowe, with his permission, hoping that some historian may have an answer for us. On the topic of glass: did any of those prefab bungalows come with stained glass? Mary ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:46:58 -0700 From: Steve Wernecke To: maruca@netaxs.com Subject: Re: Mission Style Interesting questions. I don't know for sure but I bet you're right about the Craftsman trade name. The timing certainly would have been right. And I have a vague recollection of reading about the prefab retail stuff in connection with the Arts & Crafts movement. One of the philosophical points of A&C was to move past the excesses of the Victorian style...back to a simpler form that was accessible to everyone but didn't sacrifice quality. I know there were many subcategories within A&C ranging from the elegance of Greene & Greene creations (like the Gamble House in Pasadena) to the simplicity of modest bungalows. I can't imagine that a merchandising force like Sears wouldn't have tried to get a piece of that action. Steve At 09:16 AM 4/22/00 -0400, you wrote: >Reading your contributions to the discussion makes me wonder two things: > >Any chance Sears borrowed the name CRAFTSMAN for its tools from this >movement? > >Those prefab cottages that Sears once sold through its catalogue.... were >they Craftsman style? > >Any ideas? > >Mary > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 23 19:09:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:43:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Alphabet patterns Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:42:44 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of any alphabet patterns that I can download on the web. I don't have much time to order a book, it would be great if I could get some online. THanks, Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 23 19:38:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: Alphabet patterns Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk If you have Mircrosoft Word or Word Perfect on your computer, you should have enough fonts to last you a lifetime. You can print a letter the size of a piece of paper. You can print with just an outline to save ink, but take a look. I have used the fonts from my computer for a long time. You can turn your page to landscape and print out the whole thing. The sky is the limit. E-mail me if I can help you. Linda Jo (Eljay) -----Original Message----- From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Alphabet patterns >Does anyone know of any alphabet patterns that I can download on the web. I >don't have much time to order a book, it would be great if I could get some >online. > >THanks, >Caren >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 23 20:09:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: maruca@netaxs.com, Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Mission Style (fwd) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:52:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Yes indeed they did - and fairly nice ones, too. In March I visited my mother in California and on her coffee table she had 3 books she'd been given for Xmas - A Sears catalog of around 1910, a book on the Craftsman houses, and a book on the hardware, lumber, plans, etc. used in those houses. I managed to gobble up the books before I had to leave, and fascinating they were, too. They know exactly how many of the houses were sold, where they were erected, which ones survive, etc. The architects who did the plans were well known and good, and the plans were made for all types of families and budgets. There was quite a variety of styles, so some were very much the colonial center hall types, others the typical 4-square of the early 1900s, some were very much in the California Bungalow style. I was surprised to discover that what they weren't were the Babbitt type of "bungalows" that were massed produced in the years after the 1st WW and before the depression. In fact, unless you knew the plans and the facades, you could in no way tell that a house was a Sears house. They were not prefab in the modern terms of assembling them elsewhere and bringing in modules to bolt together (Ryland etc.) but all the lumber was cut exactly, the window units were all assembled, etc. so everything was set go go as soon as it reached the site. Once the basement or slab was prepared, setting the house up took only a few days. Often the entire house was contained on a single truck. The plans were flexible, you could add a detail, subtract a detail, add a fireplace, a breakfast nook, etc. If you wanted a stained glass window, there were a variety of styles, sizes, colors, etc. If you wanted fancy moldings, you had your pick from a number of styles, likewise doors. It was an amazing operation, and a high quality product. - Cec maruca@netaxs.com wrote: > When I read Steve Wernecke's comments about the Craftsman movement I wrote > to him asking if Sears had borrowed the name for its line of tools. I'm > posting his response belowe, with his permission, hoping that some > historian may have an answer for us. > > On the topic of glass: did any of those prefab bungalows come with > stained glass? > > Mary > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:46:58 -0700 > From: Steve Wernecke > To: maruca@netaxs.com > Subject: Re: Mission Style > > Interesting questions. I don't know for sure but I bet you're right about > the Craftsman trade name. The timing certainly would have been right. > > And I have a vague recollection of reading about the prefab retail stuff in > connection with the Arts & Crafts movement. One of the philosophical > points of A&C was to move past the excesses of the Victorian style...back > to a simpler form that was accessible to everyone but didn't sacrifice > quality. I know there were many subcategories within A&C ranging from the > elegance of Greene & Greene creations (like the Gamble House in Pasadena) > to the simplicity of modest bungalows. I can't imagine that a > merchandising force like Sears wouldn't have tried to get a piece of that > action. > > Steve > > At 09:16 AM 4/22/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Reading your contributions to the discussion makes me wonder two things: > > > >Any chance Sears borrowed the name CRAFTSMAN for its tools from this > >movement? > > > >Those prefab cottages that Sears once sold through its catalogue.... were > >they Craftsman style? > > > >Any ideas? > > > >Mary > > > > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 23 20:23:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sears Houses Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:54:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi to all, We have two of the Sears pre-fabs in our neighborhood! They are funny looking by anyone's standards. They are both covered on the outside by 2'x2' metal sheet squares, and the windows are side-open crank type things. Very plain and very ugly, but these two houses are very valuable! From studying them, I think they were trying for a "futuristic" look. I don't know if Sears had designs other than these two types. Just sent this FYI :-) Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 24 07:01:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 06:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: ucsd.com!anderson From: "Anderson" To: anderson@ucsd.com Subject: Looking for Bulk Mail SMTP Server Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:04:56 +0530 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Dear Sir, We would like to introduce ourselves as an exporter based in Delhi (India). We are looking for Bulk Mail friendly SMTP Server or software which can provide gateway to our outgoing Bulk Mail as we do not want to disturb our ISP. Any contact in above, please get back to us. Thank you for your time. Anderson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 24 11:02:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Job Glass Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:43:27 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello everyone out there in Bungiland, I am looking for some "Job Glass". I have tried my wholesalers and they only sell it by the case! I only want a couple of sheets to see if I even like it. The other wholesaler only has the 1"x1" squares. I need the 8"x16" for my project. Does anyone have, or know where I can purchase just a couple of different colored sheets? I have read that the preferred way to cut it is with a band saw. Has anyone ever tried cutting it with a hand cutter? Has anyone ever used the job glass? How did it turn out? The other thing I am looking for is Miracle Mudd. My wholesalers don't carry it. The ones that I have found want a picture of a store front to qualify for the wholesale account. Since I work out of my home, I don't think they would accept a photo of my home! Thank you in advance, Kauriee Wood The Looking Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 24 13:07:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Resubscribe Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:08:41 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I don't know if I am having computer problems with Juno or if I just didn't get back on the list, I haven't gotten any new mail yet. I know Bungi got my message about the alphabet patterns because I got responses (thankyou). So I'll try resubscribing again, thanks. Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 24 14:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Re: Job Glass Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:17:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Hello everyone out there in Bungiland, >I am looking for some "Job Glass". I have tried my wholesalers and they only >sell it by the case! I only want a couple of sheets to see if I even like >it. The other wholesaler only has the 1"x1" squares. I need the 8"x16" for >my project. Does anyone have, or know where I can purchase just a couple of >different colored sheets? I don't know why anyone wants to buy Job glass, as you can make it yourself. All you need is a kiln and compatible glass. Cut thin strips and lay it over a clear sheet in the pattern you want. Put it into the kiln, fuse it and you have a sheet of Job glass. >I have read that the preferred way to cut it is with a band saw. Has anyone >ever tried cutting it with a hand cutter? Has anyone ever used the job >glass? How did it turn out? Never used it, but what I have seen is not for me. Whether you need to use a band saw depends on the thickness and smoothness of the resulting product. If you can cut 6mm or 1/4 inch window glass, you can cut this stuff. >The other thing I am looking for is Miracle Mudd. My wholesalers don't carry >it. The ones that I have found want a picture of a store front to qualify >for the wholesale account. Since I work out of my home, I don't think they >would accept a photo of my home! > You can make your own. Look at the archives for the discussion on this and the recipes. If you don't find them, post me and I will send my file. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 24 15:39:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:21:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #203 built 2000-Apr-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Job Glass Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Kauriee@aol.com >I am looking for some "Job Glass". I have tried my wholesalers and they= only = sell it by the case! I only want a couple of sheets to see if I even lik= e = it. The other wholesaler only has the 1"x1" squares. I need the 8"x16" for = my project. Does anyone have, or know where I can purchase just a couple= of = different colored sheets?< Have you tried Rainbow Art Glass out of Wall, NJ? They sell both wholesa= le and retail, and I know they carry Job Glass, and probably sell it by the 8x16 sheet. 1-800-526-2356 for customer service. Plus, their wholesale requirements are not as "retail-oriented" as others. Ask them for their wholesale qualificiations sheet. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 24 16:39:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Kauriee@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Job Glass Date: Mon, 24 Apr 00 16:24:06 Message-ID: <200004242322.RAA22986@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Kauriee, buy a sample kit... small pieces there! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 24 21:34:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: email.com!christiew99 From: christie walsh To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass transferring Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! I am wanting to start transferring designs to glass/mirrors with an engraver. Anyone have an easy way to transfer designs? Thanks! Christie ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 25 13:27:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: re glass transferring Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:43:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have found a couple of methods to get a pattern on mirror glass when engraving. Carbon paper works but to big an image leaves you with blue hands and no image left on the glass, so apply the pattern in stages.When using a rotary engraver, another method I used successfully on a mirror is to photocopy your image twice and stick one on to the mirror using a weak pva/ water mix, smooth out all wrinkles and leave to dry. then engrave through the paper to get an outline and major detail. Stop every so often to clean the tip of paper.Remove the paper and freehand complete the shading etc using the second copy as a guide. I used the later to engrave the hermit from Led Zeppelin 4, it took 9 hours . So remember to stop often as the tingling in my hand lasted two days. Have fun and watch out for glass dust, NO BLOWING, and if possible keep your work wet. CHARLIE "Its just a ride" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 25 14:12:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass transferring Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:23:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by christie walsh >Hi! I am wanting to start transferring designs to glass/mirrors with an= engraver. Anyone have an easy way to transfer designs?< I usually take a piece of carbon paper and trace over the design. Then use the engraver. Easy and inexpensive. BTW, nice first name. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 25 15:10:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: acesag.auburn.edu!fdillman From: Frank Dillman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: appropriate replying to bungi messages Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:44:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I have been lurking for a while. And I can not agree more with Brian - sure there may be several posts that may not be of interest to me and I simply touch the delete key. Frank ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 25 18:23:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: sunrise-sunset.com!sansu From: " " To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stained Glass Supplies Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:12:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am new to stained glass, but love it. My friend and I have started a small business and are looking for glass wholesale. Can anyone direct me in the right direction. We do not have a business license at this point and are working from home. Also, I am looking for glass to make laborado retrievers. I need yellow and chocolate. I haven't found anything locally that fits the bill. Any suggestions? _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 25 20:28:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:02:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: erols.com!hmjacobs From: Herbert Jacobs To: Glass email letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Filigree Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:58:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: NONE Precedence: bulk A few years ago, I saw a stained glass piece which included some intricate filigree. It was used to indicate a decorative braid or embroidery on the edge of a garment in the glass pattern. It was not like the crude brass stamping which the supply stores have, but seemed to be wire - woven in an openwork decorative pattern. Then it was cut or bent to fit the design. I've been looking for this for years. None of the stained glass suppliers know anything about it. Can anybody help? Herb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 25 23:36:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Stained Glass Supplies Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:30:29 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/25/00 6:27:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sansu@sunrise-sunset.com writes: > I am new to stained glass, but love it. My friend and I have started a > small business and are looking for glass wholesale. Can anyone direct me > in the right direction. We do not have a business license at this point > and are working from home. There is no point in trying to put the cart before the horse. If your area requires a business license then it is time to get one. Same goes for state sales tax permit. These documents are very easy to come by and a prerequisite to buying wholesale or making legal sales to the public. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 06:58:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Stained Glass Supplies Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:37:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by " " >I am new to stained glass, but love it. My friend and I have started a small business and are looking for glass wholesale. Can anyone direct me= in the right direction. We do not have a business license at this point and are working from home. Also, I am looking for glass to make laborado retrievers. I need yellow and chocolate. I haven't found anything locally that fits the bill. Any= suggestions? < You will need a business license, even if you're business is located at home. You will also need a state tax id, and probably an ad in the Yellow Pages= in order to qualify for wholesale purchasing from suppliers. Distributors and suppliers must make sure that folk who request wholesale purchasing priviledges are indeed, legitamate businesses and are not hobbiest looking to undercu= t their retail suppliers. May I suggest you purchase the book "This Business of Glass" by Loretta Radeschi? It is the BEST book at helping you start a glass business. It also has a very, very useful chapter on getting the legal things set up for your business. I used it when I was putting together my business plan for opening my stained glass studio in the basement of my home. Best wishes. If you have any more questions about moving from the hobbiest stage into the professional stage, just post the questions and we'll help you out. As to the glass for your project - check out Youghiogheny and Bullseye glass. They have great cream and chocolates. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 09:00:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bevels Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:25:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20000426153033.NOZS11091.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a> Precedence: bulk Going to be doing a few token business card holders out of store bought bevels. Last time I did one I noticed a couple of the bevels weren't truly "square". Can I grind bevels a bit to straighten them up. Lorley basking in 100 degree weather in Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 09:31:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: bevels Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:14:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk sure, except if the edges show they won't be clear anymore. regards, charlie phx (couldn't wait for 100 degree days again), az > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorley Oneyear [mailto:lorley@home.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 8:26 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: bevels > > > Going to be doing a few token business card holders out of > store bought > bevels. Last time I did one I noticed a couple of the bevels > weren't truly > "square". Can I grind bevels a bit to straighten them up. > Lorley basking in 100 degree weather in Phoenix > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 10:00:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: lorley@home.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: grinding bevels Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:34:44 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Lorley, Yes you can grind a bevel,but it is best to use a special fine grinder bit made for that purpose. The fine bit is specifically made to grind the edge of mirrors and bevels without the chipping that would occur if you were to use a regular grinding bit. You should be able to get one at your local Glass shop or it can be ordered for you.I know that they are fairly common and Inland is one name brand that makes one for sure. Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 10:06:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: sansu@sunrise-sunset.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass Supplies Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:43:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk sansu@sunrise-sunset.com wrote: > I am new to stained glass, but love it. My friend and I have started a > small business and are looking for glass wholesale. Can anyone direct me > in the right direction. We do not have a business license at this point > and are working from home. > > Also, I am looking for glass to make laborado retrievers. I need yellow > and chocolate. I haven't found anything locally that fits the bill. Any > suggestions? Hi Sansu, First order of business : do a business plan. Second order of business : get someone experienced to review the business plan, make sure its realistic, that you're not underfinanced, that you have a realistic marketing plan, that your sales projections are realistic, that your exit plan is realizable, and so on and so on.. Third order of business : revise the business plan. ... and so on. The business plan is something you'll live with on a daily basis for the next few years ... if you want to be successful that is. Experience shows that those people who prepare a good business plan, with everything that entails, usually succeed. Those that do not, usually fail. It is not an accident that banks, VC's, anyone in the business of financing business (small or large) requires a business plan before any money changes hands. Its a fact of life that most small businesses fail. The most common reason for failure is underfinancing. Underfinancing is most commonly due to poor business planning ... inaccurate estimation of ALL the costs involved, inaccurate market size estimation, wildly optimistic (inaccurate) sales projections ... etc. Getting suppliers lined up ... while an important part of the overall BP, is only ONE part of the business plan. Good luck .... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 11:01:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: erols.com!hmjacobs From: Herbert Jacobs To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: bevels Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: NONE Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a way to polish up edges? Spitzer, Charlie wrote: > > sure, except if the edges show they won't be clear anymore. > > regards, > charlie > phx (couldn't wait for 100 degree days again), az > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lorley Oneyear [mailto:lorley@home.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 8:26 AM > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: bevels > > > > > > Going to be doing a few token business card holders out of > > store bought > > bevels. Last time I did one I noticed a couple of the bevels > > weren't truly > > "square". Can I grind bevels a bit to straighten them up. > > Lorley basking in 100 degree weather in Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 11:06:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:55:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: voyager.net!glasscat From: "Carolyn" To: "Lorley Oneyear" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: bevels Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:54:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000426153033.NOZS11091.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk Absolutely.....most of the bevels and bevel clusters do not "match up" and grinding is almost necessary for fit. Carolyn glasscat@voyager.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorley Oneyear" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:25 AM Subject: bevels > Going to be doing a few token business card holders out of store bought > bevels. Last time I did one I noticed a couple of the bevels weren't truly > "square". Can I grind bevels a bit to straighten them up. > Lorley basking in 100 degree weather in Phoenix > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 11:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: acesag.auburn.edu!fdillman From: Frank Dillman To: Depdee70@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: patterns Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:22:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Darn nice of you, Dee. This is what it is all about. I am not interested in any patterns right now but would enjoy seeing your work. Do you have them on the web? Frank Depdee70@aol.com wrote: > > I would be happy to send patternsto you ..this is for Bev Kely...Linda and > Caroly send me your address..my is Dee weinhandl....33837 no Lake shore > Dr..Gages Lake Illinois....no charge for friends......Dee > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 14:12:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:01:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: bevels Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Herbert Jacobs >Does anyone know of a way to polish up edges?< Beveling/polishing machines. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 14:33:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #204 built 2000-Apr-24) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bevels Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Lorley Oneyear >Going to be doing a few token business card holders out of store bought bevels. Last time I did one I noticed a couple of the bevels weren't trul= y "square". Can I grind bevels a bit to straighten them up. = Lorley basking in 100 degree weather in Phoenix< Yes, you definately can grind bevels. Use the smoothest grinder bit you have, and you'll be fine. Don't use the speed bit. It takes chunks out of the glass which look bad. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles in 40 degree weather, waiting for 4 days of rain in North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 17:35:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bevels Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:16:20 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk > Going to be doing a few token business card holders out of store bought > bevels. Last time I did one I noticed a couple of the bevels weren't truly > "square". Can I grind bevels a bit to straighten them up. Yes, you can make minor corrections with a grinder. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, check your bevels when you buy them. Bevels come thirty to the box and it is common to find that two or more are improperly beveled or polished. Often minor misalignment is hidden in the leadwork and so does not mean much. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 26 22:01:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Filigree Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Herb, You may be looking in the wrong places. When I need a piece of filigree, I usually look in the box of jewelry that I have garnered over the years from flea markets and garage sales. Many times you can find just the right style of chain that will fit as trim for a dress or king's garb, etc. Most of the metal jewelry can be tinned and soldered and really looks good on your stained glass piece. Hope this helps. Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 05:59:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:30:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: earthlink.net!laughingglass From: Russ Burke To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Non-Fired Glass painting Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:28:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks: I want to try painting on glass but not using the traditional fired paints/glazes. I am considering using the Eastman Products Color Magic Stains simply to add some lines and marks to delicate to achieve with copper foiled lines. My question is how durable are these Color Stains, in particular, in strong sunlight,fluctuating humidity, etc. I have no experience using them at all. I would appreciate all comment regarding utility, permanance, artistic consideration, and even altermnatives. I'm easy! Thanks much in advance. -- Russ LAUGHING GLASS STUDIO Russ and Cheryl Burke P.O. Box 6 32 Birch Avenue Mount Gretna PA 17064 fx 505-218-7707 laughingglass@earthlink.net ph 717-964-1150 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 11:32:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA booth at July Rosen Show Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk To all IGGA members: It's that time of year again! Time for jurying to get into the free I.G.G.A. guild booth at the world's largest wholesale craft show - the Buyer's Market of American Craft, presented by the Rosen Group. For those of you who do not know, each year IGGA sponsors a guild booth at this most prestigous show. It is only open to glass artists who meet the following criteria: - must be a member of I.G.G.A. - must be a citizen of the U.S.A. or Canada - must be a working glass artist (i.e. not open to sales reps) - must be able to take WHOLESALE orders & process them in a timely and professional manner - must submit (2) slides of your work for jurying - must submit copies of all your marketing materials (i.e. order form, terms & conditions form, brochure, etc.) for jurying - must be able to send us display samples of your work for the July 14 - 16 show in Philadelphia If you are a glass artist who meets those requirements, and are interested in becoming one of up to six artists who will be represented in the I.G.G.A. booth at this wholesale show, please IMMEDIATELY contact me, Christie A. Wood, at this email address, or call me directly at my studio at 215-699-9131 M-F 9-6 EST. Three out of the Six openings are already filled. This opportunity comes about only ONCE A YEAR. Contact me today! Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 12:06:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: I.G.G.A. Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:41:36 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk how do you become a member of IGGA ???? Dee....depdee70@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 12:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: still some left (jewels, etc.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:27:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk I still have some roses, jewels, and corners left. as before, e-mail me privately for more information. H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 13:41:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: IGGA booth at July Rosen Show Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:09:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > - must be a working glass artist (i.e. not open to sales reps) > - must be able to take WHOLESALE orders & process > them in a timely and professional manner Hi Christie, Could you, or any other IGGA member, answer a couple of questions? First, aren't the two requirements quoted above mutually contradictory? Second, by this definition, an "artist" doesn't sell through "sales reps"? What exactly IS a "sales rep" according to the IGGA? Does an art gallery qualify as a "sales rep"? Most of the painters that I know largely sell through established art galleries. I think an established art gallery would be a "sales rep". Are "stained glass artists" somehow different? And why would a "sales rep" be excluded in the first place? Sales are sales are sales. Whats the dif if it comes from an individual buying for themselves, or an individual buying for another individual, or an individual buying for a distribution organization of whatever type ... or any other method of generating sales? Best regards .... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 16:08:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" , Subject: Re: IGGA booth at July Rosen Show Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob, If I may address this issue.......... Because the Rosen show stipulates that the items sold at the booth must be sold by the artist. Not by someone who reps someone's work. Or a rep that sells the work of a lot of artists. In other words.......you have to represent yourself. Has nothing to do with stained glass or any other glass artist being different from a painter. If a painter wanted to do the Rosen show he/she would have to apply themselves not the gallery that represents them. I hope this cleans up your misconceptions. my best, pj I think you have misunderstood Christie. The qualifications don't come from IGGA anyway. The come from the Rosen Group. Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Associate Member AIA Member International Guild of Glass Artists ----- Original Message ----- From: "rrk" To: "Christie A. Wood" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Re: IGGA booth at July Rosen Show > > > "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > > > - must be a working glass artist (i.e. not open to sales reps) > > - must be able to take WHOLESALE orders & process > > them in a timely and professional manner > > Hi Christie, > > Could you, or any other IGGA member, > answer a couple of questions? > > First, aren't the two requirements quoted above > mutually contradictory? > > Second, by this definition, an "artist" doesn't sell through > "sales reps"? What exactly IS a "sales rep" according > to the IGGA? Does an art gallery qualify as a "sales rep"? > Most of the painters that I know largely sell through > established art galleries. I think an established art > gallery would be a "sales rep". Are "stained glass artists" > somehow different? And why would a "sales rep" > be excluded in the first place? Sales are sales are sales. > Whats the dif if it comes from an individual buying > for themselves, or an individual buying for another > individual, or an individual buying for a distribution > organization of whatever type ... or any other method > of generating sales? > > Best regards .... Bob > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 16:39:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA booth at July Rosen Show Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:13:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'm clarifying some questions raised by Bob...replies are in the body of the text. ...Christie Message text written by rrk >"Christie A. Wood" wrote: > - must be a working glass artist (i.e. not open to sales reps) > - must be able to take WHOLESALE orders & process > them in a timely and professional manner Hi Christie, Could you, or any other IGGA member, answer a couple of questions? First, aren't the two requirements quoted above mutually contradictory?> Not really. This show requires that the actual artist who created the work be there in the booth taking the wholesale orders themselves. This helps prevent folk getting into the show who are not qualified...for instance...someone who has their craft mass-produced by a factory in China (like some "Tiffany" artists)...and then trying to pass it off as hand-made in the U.S.A. It also prevents professional sales reps (of which I myself have a couple) from having booths representing multiple artists. It also guarantees that the retail store owners who come to the show, can get an instant answer to any question they might have, since they are dealing directly with the artist themselves. There are other shows, for instance, the Philadelphia Gift Show, which allow imported craft items and also allow sales reps to have booths. The Rosen Show is specifically set up to showcase American (U.S.A. and Canada) artists. Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Russ Burke" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Non-Fired Glass painting Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:58:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Russ, Depends on what your definition of "permanent" is. If you want your paint to outlast you and your children, you'll need to fire it on. The non-fired paints can work ok if you carefully prepare the surface (clean, clean, clean) -- sandblasting is best, but probably not practical for stained glass. I don't know what you think, but most of the non-fired paints I have seen don't look nearly as good as fired on paints or enamels. The Eastman Color Stains have a UV sealant that's supposed to help protect from sun fading. Don't know about humidity or exposure to the elements. You might phone them (760) 603-8646 and ask. By the way, if you're an IGGA member (www.igga.org) you get a 10% discount on ordres from Eastman. Brad Walker http://www.warmglass.com From: Russ Burke To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:28 AM Subject: Non-Fired Glass painting > Hi Folks: > > I want to try painting on glass but not using the traditional fired > paints/glazes. I am considering using the Eastman Products Color Magic > Stains simply to add some lines and marks to delicate to achieve with copper > foiled lines. > > My question is how durable are these Color Stains, in particular, in strong > sunlight,fluctuating humidity, etc. I have no experience using them at all. > > I would appreciate all comment regarding utility, permanance, artistic > consideration, and even altermnatives. I'm easy! Thanks much in advance. > > -- Russ > > LAUGHING GLASS STUDIO Russ and Cheryl Burke > P.O. Box 6 32 Birch Avenue > Mount Gretna PA 17064 > fx 505-218-7707 > laughingglass@earthlink.net ph 717-964-1150 > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 17:39:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: att.net!r.wickline From: "Rebecca Wickline" To: Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: NG-lost contacts Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20000427212105.BWWM1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@[12.79.198.98]> Precedence: bulk I put a new OS in my mac and it deleted all my messages from the last 8 months. I have them from last year but not last week. Someone had inquired about having a caligraphy quote made and someone else needed a magnolia pattern. Please contact me off group again. Just about the time I feel almost confident with computers they teach me I'm not even close. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 27 19:10:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #205 built 2000-Apr-26) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG-lost contacts Date: Thu, 27 Apr 00 18:49:26 Message-ID: <200004280148.TAA00326@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Rebecca, to make you feel better, NO ONE KNOWS EVERYTHING that can be known about computers.. just keep on learning, and chalk it up to experience. Candy baby webgrrl On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:21:10 -0400, Rebecca Wickline wrote: > I put a new OS in my mac and it deleted all my messages from the last 8 >months. I have them from last year but not last week. Someone had inquired >about having a caligraphy quote made and someone else needed a magnolia >pattern. Please contact me off group again. > Just about the time I feel almost confident with computers they teach me >I'm not even close. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 28 13:07:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:56:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #206 built 2000-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Russ Burke Subject: Re: Non-Fired Glass painting Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:18:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I have no truck with these things if they are going to be handled or in variable heat/humidity/light conditions. But, check with the manufacturer. Look at their website as a start and write to them if you have to. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Russ Burke writes >Hi Folks: > >I want to try painting on glass but not using the traditional fired >paints/glazes. I am considering using the Eastman Products Color Magic >Stains simply to add some lines and marks to delicate to achieve with copper >foiled lines. > >My question is how durable are these Color Stains, in particular, in strong >sunlight,fluctuating humidity, etc. I have no experience using them at all. > >I would appreciate all comment regarding utility, permanance, artistic >consideration, and even altermnatives. I'm easy! Thanks much in advance. > > -- Russ > >LAUGHING GLASS STUDIO Russ and Cheryl Burke >P.O. Box 6 32 Birch Avenue >Mount Gretna PA 17064 > fx 505-218-7707 >laughingglass@earthlink.net ph 717-964-1150 > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 28 17:05:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #207 built 2000-Apr-28) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Howard's lamp roses and jewels Date: Fri, 28 Apr 00 15:50:46 Message-ID: <200004282249.QAA08080@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Hey anybody out there have any pictures (jpegs, etc) of the jewel they got from Howard so I can see them? Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 02:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #211 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: "bungi" Subject: I am not receiving mail Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:02:51 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi out there. I have not received anything from bungi in 6 days. Kira ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 05:52:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:45:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #211 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glasss cutting table Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:43:53 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello everyone in bungi I would like to know what size do you consider appropriate for a workshop table to cut glass, maybe enough to have a whole sheet of glass or two at a time? I am trying to work out a plan for an ideal stained glass workshop, so I need to predict how much working space, tools, etc I should get; any notions on how much /minimum working space, or best way of organizing each activity area (cutting, grinding, storage, soldering...) will be very much welcome; I basically make lamps, but panels are another possibility; if there is anything about this in bungi archives, I would like to have access to it, how do I do it? Thank you in advance Elena ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 08:00:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 05:30:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #211 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA booth at July Rosen Show Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:28:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "pj friend" >Has nothing to do with stained glass or any other glass artist being different from a painter. If a painter wanted t= o do the Rosen show he/she would have to apply themselves not the gallery that represents them.< In fact, this past Winter Rosen Show (February), they opened up the show to painters/2-D artists for the first time. Prior to that show, it was just crafts and fine jewelry. And yes, the same stipulations were applied to the painters/2-D artists as are applied to the craftspeople - it was the actual artist themselves who ran their own booths. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 08:14:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #211 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Kira Mason" , Subject: Re: I am not receiving mail Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:46:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Maybe everyone is out glassing or like I always say they must have a life. I noticed but just figured folks were busy. I got your e-mail so bungi is working fine. Eljay -----Original Message----- From: Kira Mason To: bungi Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:43 AM Subject: I am not receiving mail >Hi out there. I have not received anything from bungi in 6 days. >Kira > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 08:18:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:50:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #211 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Elena Rodríguez" , Subject: Re: glasss cutting table Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:44:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Elena: I don't know how long you have been doing glass, but I think once you have been working a while you get a feel for what you would like. I have a friend that has a 5 x8 foot table and I find that WAY too large (unless your are doing a 4x7 window) for me. I have several tables but right now I am using a 4x4 table in the center of my studio area but I am going to change to a 4 x6 here shortly. I want as large as I can afford space wise and still have room to maneuver around. I have to work sitting down, and I have my table low and I have old office chairs with rollers that I use. I can sit and work with ease. (I would love to be able to stand like the old days to do my glass but it isn't an option for me. So I have adapted so I can continue to do glass.) Back to size. I really like having a main bench that is large enough for what I want to work on, but a size that I can reach what I want to from any side. Good luck in designing your new studio. Eljay (Linda Jo) -----Original Message----- From: Elena Rodríguez To: Bungi Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: glasss cutting table >Hello everyone in bungi >I would like to know what size do you consider appropriate for a >workshop table to cut glass, maybe enough to have a whole sheet of glass >or two at a time? I am trying to work out a plan for an ideal stained >glass workshop, so I need to predict how much working space, tools, etc >I should get; any notions on how much /minimum working space, or best >way of organizing each activity area (cutting, grinding, storage, >soldering...) will be very much welcome; I basically make lamps, but >panels are another possibility; if there is anything about this in >bungi archives, I would like to have access to it, how do I do it? >Thank you in advance >Elena > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 14:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #213 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glasss cutting table Date: Sun, 30 Apr 00 15:13:54 Message-ID: <200004302116.PAA26350@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Elena, I kept to a 4x8 ft, since plywood comes that size already.. haven't regretted it at all. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 15:02:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #213 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Elena Rodrguez Subject: Re: glasss cutting table Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:52:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Most of my tables are build with a door blank as the top. This means it is about 7 feet long and 2.5 feet wide. If I need to make wider or longer objects, I put a board on top and work on that. This means that you don't take up space until you need it, makes the whole workspace have more free floor space most of the time. Somebody in the States has produced a book on starting up a stained glass business which includes a lot of information on studio sizes. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Elena Rodrguez writes >Hello everyone in bungi >I would like to know what size do you consider appropriate for a >workshop table to cut glass, maybe enough to have a whole sheet of glass >or two at a time? I am trying to work out a plan for an ideal stained >glass workshop, so I need to predict how much working space, tools, etc >I should get; any notions on how much /minimum working space, or best >way of organizing each activity area (cutting, grinding, storage, >soldering...) will be very much welcome; I basically make lamps, but >panels are another possibility; if there is anything about this in >bungi archives, I would like to have access to it, how do I do it? >Thank you in advance >Elena > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 16:32:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #213 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: patterns Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:01:16 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk to..Beb Kelly...Kauriee Wood...Linda W..and Carolyn T.....19 Patteruns on there way to you all...Hope you enjoy them and they help you..Send a picture later..Dee...........depdee70@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 20:35:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #213 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Sears Houses Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I forwarded your note to my mother (85 yrs old) and here is what she said: "I forgot to say that those houses Sarah describes were a post-war design that was going to change the way all houses were built. I don't think they were exclusively Sears. I have seen a few of them and they weren't beautiful, but supposedly they were to be easy to maintain." - Cec Sarah wrote: > Hi to all, > We have two of the Sears pre-fabs in our neighborhood! They are funny > looking by anyone's standards. They are both covered on the outside by 2'x2' > metal sheet squares, and the windows are side-open crank type things. Very > plain and very ugly, but these two houses are very valuable! From studying > them, I think they were trying for a "futuristic" look. I don't know if > Sears had designs other than these two types. > Just sent this FYI :-) > Sarah > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 30 21:04:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #213 built 2000-Apr-30) X-Path: earthlink.net!cerberusroks From: "Robert Shields" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: unsubscibe Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:44:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFB2E4.EA753260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please take me off your list, I am resigning up under a new e-mail = address. 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Please take me off your list, I am resigning up = under a new=20 e-mail address. Thanks, Kimberly Shields
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Hello, please resign me up under this new e-mail = address: kshields90@hotmail.com. Thank = you!
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