From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 02:54:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 02:12:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Mary B" , Subject: Re: Workshop Suggestions Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:10:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov1.01016.0> References: <<1999Nov1.2639.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Mary... Well, this is going to sound quite silly, but you can go to any thrift store, flea market or architectural salvage yard and purchase a solid non-panel door or nice thick piece of plywood. Then purchase either a dresser, or two free standing cabinets or drawer units (I found mine for $10.00 each... painted tacky orange), then use those as the base, plop the door on top and you have a wonderful work/storage setup for under $30.00 usually. As an additional design tip, I found some plastic coated wire magazine racks which craft stores have attached to walls to display their books. My husband attached those to wall studs, and I use them to store glass. Works great! If you go this route with the table, you will have saved so much money that you could then purchase good wall pegboards and but all those great hanger accessories. Good luck! Mary Barry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 03:56:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:03:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu!dheath From: Deanna Heath To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Workshop Suggestions Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Mary, I just moved and built myself a workshop, also on a very limited budget. I used 2x4s for the legs and found Home Depot has prebuilt countertops at reasonable prices. They have a backsplash and the formica already on them (in a variety of colors). A 5' piece was $20.00, 6' was $30.00. I'm really happy with it, yesterday I spilled half a bottle of flux on it and it was nice to have it just wipe up and not have anything swell. As a side note, the house I bought had a pigeon coop in the back yard. It turns out the former owner had built nesting boxes, 7.5' long with 1.5'x1.5'x1.5' squares. I brought a couple of them out, cleaned them up, painted them and stood them on end. Now I have great glass storage bins without having to build them and there are several more when my glass supply expands. Recycling at work! Good luck! Deanna -- Deanna Heath, dheath@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu on 11/01/1999 at 6:08:47 AM ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 05:32:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:32:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Workshop Suggestions Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:27:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov1.122725.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/31/99 11:00:35 PM, marybdaily@hotmail.com writes: >Can anyone give me advice and/or suggest where I may find a materials list >for a workbench-type design? Two words: Home Depot. Sparks (with apologies if there isn't one near you) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 05:46:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:51:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Paul Stankard's Paperweights Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:47:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov1.124738.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/1/99 3:56:21 AM, dimitrovich@twinwolf.net writes: >I was just looking at some of Paul Stankard's work on the Internet and was >intrigued by the florals/botanicals, etc. suspended in his paperweights >and glass forms. > >How are those made? My enquiring mind wanted to know too........ check this out! http://www.artgl assworld.com/mag/glassart/stankard/ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 06:03:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:10:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: byronw@fastlane.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Workshop Suggestions Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:09:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov1.13919.0> Precedence: bulk Hello to all.I really don't know where any of you are, but in Michigan, we sometimes use a product called homosote on top of the plywood. It's the stuff they use as backing on corkboard, for bulliten boards. It seems to be compressed paper fibers or something. But it's so compressed that it won't burn, and it sort of heals itself. You would be able to pound nails through it to the plywood, and secure your glass very well. Also it will take a push pin very kindly, and quickly. It comes grey, and not very loverly at all,, so I paint mine white, with something like Binn which you may be familiar with. Good Luck. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 11:04:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:31:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Pamela Dimitrovich" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Paperweights Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:28:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov1.22816.0> References: <<1999Oct31.16400.0>> Precedence: bulk The objects are not "real". They are carefully constructed from coloured glass rod. In its most basic form, this type of work is essentially: 1. Lampwork (torchwork) a glass "model" of the object using special coloured glass rods. 2. Dip the object in a lower temperature melt clear glass. (Or cast the clear glass around the object). Based on the complexity of the objects Paul Standard must have developed a whole host of techniques to add to the basic ones above. He must have special ways of holding the separate pieces of the objects in place while casting the clear glass around them. Or perhaps he casts in multiple stages or layers? I would also guess he has a vacuum casting chamber to remove the little air bubbles that usually get trapped in the fine joints in the objects when you cast the clear glass around them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Dimitrovich To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 6:40 PM Subject: Paperweights > Questions... > > I was just looking at some of Paul Stankard's work on the Internet and was > intrigued by the florals/botanicals, etc. suspended in his paperweights and > glass forms. > > How are those made? My real question is how are those objects suspended in > the glass and not burned up? I've never seen these before and think they are > beautiful. I am always wondering how things are made when I see them. > > Thanks, > > Pamela > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 12:07:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:28:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Paperweights Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:23:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov1.192314.0> Precedence: bulk There is a video on Paul Stankard called......Paul Stankard "Inventing Illusions"....in this video he makes flowers, bees, dragonflies and other items that he is will known for. It is shot inside his studio with his daughter and other workers...it shows the process of making a paperweight from start to finish. The owner of my local glass shop ordered the video for me when I saw it in an advertisement..... I believe that it is also available through Glass Craftsman Magazine in the Library section. Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 15:47:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:16:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Mary B Subject: Re: Workshop Suggestions Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:06:52 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov1.20652.0> References: <<1999Nov1.2639.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Mary, A cheap, strong bench can be made from a door blank. Even the ones filled with cardboard are rigid enough. Build a frame with legs under it and you have a quick, simple true bench. Steve In message <1999Nov1.2639.0@?>, Mary B writes >I am in the process of revamping my sg workshop which is in the basement of >my home. Currently I only have a 3x5 space with small countertop allocated >to my sg and will be converting a corner of my basement which is >approximately 6x10 into a workshop. I will need to build my own >couter/pegboard and am on a limited budget; therefor, I need to get the most >efficiency for every dollar spent. > >Can anyone give me advice and/or suggest where I may find a materials list >for a workbench-type design? Any assistance would very much be appreciated! > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 16:17:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:25:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!LMCCDC From: LMCCDC@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sale of window Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:24:15 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov1.232415.0> Precedence: bulk I got a call from someone in my neighborhood who wants to sell a window that was once part of their house and is now leaning against a wall. The dimensions are approx. 9 feet by 3.5 feet. It is about 100 years old. It is a double hung window and the design is a candle with a small wreath. All of the lead has deteorated but all of the glass is original . They don't want to go the consignment route and are wondering if there is another way to sell it. Any ideas? Thanks for your help, Lisa MC Atlanta, GA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 16:47:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:20:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Pamela Dimitrovich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Paperweights Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:32:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov1.133213.0> References: <<1999Oct31.16400.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Pamela Dimitrovich wrote: > > Questions... > > I was just looking at some of Paul Stankard's work on the Internet and was > intrigued by the florals/botanicals, etc. suspended in his paperweights and > glass forms. > > How are those made? My real question is how are those objects suspended in > the glass and not burned up? I've never seen these before and think they are > beautiful. I am always wondering how things are made when I see them. > > Thanks, > > Pamela > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i do know they are glass. and he's a stickler for details. i think it's done with layers. --make the leaves parts of flowers etc. add the glass put clear on top, add more element and so forth.... though i could be wrong. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 17:10:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:21:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Mary B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Workshop Suggestions Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:30:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov1.133023.0> References: <<1999Nov1.2639.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Mary B wrote: > > I am in the process of revamping my sg workshop which is in the basement of > my home. Currently I only have a 3x5 space with small countertop allocated > to my sg and will be converting a corner of my basement which is > approximately 6x10 into a workshop. I will need to build my own > couter/pegboard and am on a limited budget; therefor, I need to get the most > efficiency for every dollar spent. > > Can anyone give me advice and/or suggest where I may find a materials list > for a workbench-type design? Any assistance would very much be appreciated! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass a simple sawhorse and plywood design will work alright. it will look ugly but it will work. if you can find old kitchen coutner tops (maybe someone's throwing them out, that's a pretty cheap method too. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 17:18:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:39:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: twinwolf.net!dimitrovich From: "Pamela Dimitrovich" To: Subject: Paperweight answers Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov1.13144.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the wonderful email regarding how Paul Stankard's paperweights are made. They look so real! No wonder I was fooled. Except logic said a real flower would have been cooked! He's obviously extremely good at what he does. Magnificent work. Once again, I knew I could count on Bungi to help out! (I'm getting a new kiln on Friday so be prepared for lots of questions on fusing, slumping, and painting on glass!) Pamela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 1 20:24:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:51:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Workshop suggestions Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:48:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov1.174840.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk You can buy this booklet at most any glass supply: Your Stained Glass Workshop by Gene Mayo Published and distributed by Stained Glass Images Inc- 135 Dolton Ave. San Carlos, CA 94070 (415-592-4858). It has plans; material lists for a complete home workshop. There are plans for work tables, portable light tables, grinder table, tool box, lead came storage boxes, glass racks, layout boards, frames, etc. (Even if you were doing your own thing, just knowing appropriate sizes is helpful, and I don't think it cost much.) I appropriated my husband's work area which had wood counters. He built some partitions under the counters where I store larger glass (half sheets). He also constructed flat shelves under some of the counter - about 4 shelves per section, so I can store pieces in progress. I mostly use ceiling tile for working boards under foiling projects, and the tiles slip onto the deep but close together shelves. The tile is very cheap - less than $3.50 for a large hunk. On these shelves I also have a bunch of rectangular plastic baskets with tops, in various sizes, and I keep good glass scraps in them and a couple have glass blobs. The color of the basket is basically the color of the scraps. I also have some very narrow shelves (built between studs, and that is nice because you can easily see your supplies. I bought a couple of used tv carts, and my grinder and ring saw are on the sturdy one, and various supplies are on another. My supplies, books and magazines have overflowed onto metal book shelves ($10 K-Mart), and I keep eyewash, soaps, flux remover, etc near the laundry tub along with some old dead towels, scrub brushes, and plastic dishwashing pans. My husband took an old coffee table top and scrap lumber and built me a low cutting table with an old cast-off kitchen drawer built into it for cutters, irons, etc. and space for smaller hunks of glass under it (in half sized milk crates). I got some shepherd castors for it so it also rolls and I had him screw a power strip on the back. It is the length of two small Morton boards, so I use a small Morton board on it and have lath edges so a strip cutter works well. I also put my light box on it, which he made to fit another small Morton board. In addition, we had an old small artist's desk/stand, also on wheels. It is just a tad smaller than a big Morton board, and I use that on it. It is taller and the top can be slanted. I use it for larger panels, or drawing. I picked up a grungy old table for $15, and I use it for grouting came, since it couldn't possibly look worse than when I bought it. Anything that can have castors does. This has been VERY helpful because when working with large hunks of glass, I can just move the grinder or working surface out in the middle, and I can either shove the working surface over where I do my soldering (the formica "hole" from my sink in the newish kitchen counter) or I can move the soldering equipment to the grungy table for soldering came. Also, when my daughter and I are working on projects, we can station ourselves so we are mostly not interfereing with each other. As you can imagine, all this is not pretty, but since the basement is just that, no "finish" to it, it works and most of it was accomplished with scrap wood and yard sale finds. - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 2 06:03:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:19:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: sale of window Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:12:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov2.31241.0> Precedence: bulk Sell via eBay online, but this will probably involve them having to get the window professionally packed for shipment which would cost an arm & a leg. Better yet, take the window to the local big name auction house & auction it off. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA U.S.A. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 2 06:17:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:19:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: marybdaily@hotmail.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Workshop Suggestions Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:15:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov2.131513.0> Precedence: bulk Just a few tips: 1. bench on lockable wheels, to roll around the studio or push up against a wall when you need to access one side 2. Storage shelves underneath 3. Proper height for your height, this will pay off after a long day at the bench ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 2 08:12:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:40:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: multisystems.com!kkelley From: Karen Kelley To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Help! Question Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:33:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov2.53323.0> Precedence: bulk i am reading your articles on the net but, not being a glass artist, I am kinda lost. To make a long story short, could you help me! I do wire sculpture and have just discovered the world of metalsmithing. I am in love but really, really need to know how to cover a silver solder to make it match the copper. Is this what you all are talking about with the Jax Copper plating. I really hope you can help. I feel like the answer should be out there and easily found, but I am not putting my fingers on it at all. Thanks, sounds like you all have a cool thing going there! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 2 18:59:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:06:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: non-glass post card thanks Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:55:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov2.95553.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Thank you all who sent postcards (still lots of time to send one) that I did not have an e-mail address to thank personally! The kids are having fun finding the places on the cards (or at least close). enjoy. H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 2 19:31:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:38:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!marybdaily From: "Mary B" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Paul Stankard Video Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:51:29 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov3.05129.0> Precedence: bulk Someone posted information regarding Stankard's video, "Inventing Illusions," but somehow I've lost that posting. Could you please let us know where to obtain the video and how much it costs? Awesome work! Thanks MaryBinVA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 04:35:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:01:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stained glass mag+? Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 06:56:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.15649.0> Precedence: bulk What's the best stained glass magazine to find contemporary (as compared to traditional) work in stained glass? Galleries too, online or not? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 05:08:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:24:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Fw: Paperweights Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.14752.0> Precedence: bulk Here is a bit more info on Paul's paperweights to add to Tim's reply Bev is a collector of paperweights and as a member of our guild has arranged group trips for us to make paperweights at Wheaton Village, NJ, visit's David Lepler and Melanie Gurnsey's home/shop. KSee Art is the only way to run away without leaving home. Twyla Tharp ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly L Schindler To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Paperweights | Yes, I have been priveleged to watch him work, so I know exactly how it | is done. He "tacks" the components together with clear glass, to make a | "setup" after costructing them as the other person described. He then | heats them, and places them in a vacuum chamber before slowly flowing | moten glass over it. Sometimes this is done in layers, to provide the | sense that the parts are floating in a clear crystal environment, such as | insects hovering over flowers. The fabrication is most amazing. He does | a lot of research before making any new design. | | Bev | __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 06:12:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:32:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (no subject) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:35:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.23528.0> Precedence: bulk Hello All, I'm just gearing up for the pre-Christmas craft show season. My first is this week end. I've got a question. What do you reply to people who look at your glass work and say "oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Its not as nice as yours and I've been waiting for them to make me_______(fill in blank). Then they walk away without buying anything. I have to laugh to myself because this happens so often . Maybe if they offered so-and-so some money to pay for supplies they would have their piece by now. Does this happen to anybody else besides me? Best Wishes Gillian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 07:11:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:27:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: Anthony Higson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.41445.0> References: <<1999Nov3.23528.0>> Precedence: bulk Welcome to the club! I never realized how rude people could be until I started doing craft shows. I also get "Well, it's probably just plastic",or, "I could do that". I find that children are interested in glass and the parents don't allow them time to look and touch. They say."Come on, we'll get a snow cone or tomahawk.", etc. It's depressing at times. Rita Anthony Higson wrote: > Hello All, > I'm just gearing up for the pre-Christmas craft show season. My first > is this week end. > I've got a question. What do you reply to people who look at your glass > work and say > "oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Its not as nice as yours and I've > been waiting for them to make me_______(fill in blank). Then they walk > away without buying anything. > I have to laugh to myself because this happens so often . Maybe if they > offered so-and-so some money to pay for supplies they would have their > piece by now. > Does this happen to anybody else besides me? > Best Wishes > Gillian > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 08:11:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:37:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: tandg.higson@sympatico.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:36:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov3.153613.0> Precedence: bulk Gillian, Don't sweat it. It's annoying, but not as bad as some other things you hear at shows. I know a crafter who makes painted old-fashoned style signs who has a sign that is painted to fit in perfectly with her inventory that reads, "Sure, You Can Make That, But Will You?" or something to that affect. I get that a lot with my pique assiette mosaics and jewelry, the "I can make that" people and the "My so-and-so makes those" people- who usually shut up pretty fast when I tell them that all of the china I use is antique... Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 09:47:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:44:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!kcbradhoisington From: "KC & Brad Hoisington" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Customers Response Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:09:53 -0800 Message-ID: <199911031606.LAA5605680@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Precedence: bulk > I've got a question. What do you reply to people who look at your glass > work and say > "oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Its not as nice as yours and I've > been waiting for them to make me_______(fill in blank). Then they walk > away without buying anything. Hi Gillian, For those customers who make that comment I say nothing. I am not of the mind that I have to hard sell or talk anyone in to buying my glass, (maybe thats why I am poor). In my way of thinking they are not my buyers. I guess you could reply, "if you would like that piece sooner than later I would be happy to custom build it for you for $_____." They will probably walk away as that is what they had intended on doing in the first place, but you never know, they might whip out their wallet! Kevlyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 12:30:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:06:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Anthony Higson" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: reply Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:52:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.15222.0> References: <<1999Nov3.23528.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Even after 19+ years, every once in a while, someone will "OFFER" to let me make them something, and if pressed may offer to pay for the materials if they are not too expensive. Another "cute" one is that after whacking a shade hard, they opine that it sounds like "plastic".....if I decide to comment, I point out that plastic sounds like glass as glass has been around many centuries BEFORE plastic. Being out of the craft/crap market and no more shows, exception was a year or so ago to an invite only show/lecture/demo at the Pebble Beach Golf and Tennis Club. These folks did seem a bit more up-scale than the cotton candy crowd. Best advice is to ignore it.......another question you will ALWAYS get is how long did that take to make......answer is approximate time PLUS how many years you have been doing it. EXAMPLE.......this lamp took 19 years and 55 hours. I miss the idiots, wise-guys and the ones who can do it as good or better than I can, critics, and hagglers, BUT NOT VERY MUCH........... enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 12:54:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:32:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Anthony Higson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.23028.0> References: <<1999Nov3.23528.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Anthony Higson wrote: > Hello All, > I'm just gearing up for the pre-Christmas craft show season. My first > is this week end. > I've got a question. What do you reply to people who look at your glass > work and say > "oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Its not as nice as yours and I've > been waiting for them to make me_______(fill in blank). Then they walk > away without buying anything. > I have to laugh to myself because this happens so often . Maybe if they > offered so-and-so some money to pay for supplies they would have their > piece by now. > Does this happen to anybody else besides me? > Best Wishes > Gillian Hi Gillian, The best thing to do in that situation is to smile your nicest smile, say "Oh really? How nice.", give them your card, and wind up the 'conversation' with "And when you decide to get something that will look good in your home, just give me a call." And then move on. One catches more flies with honey than vinegar. [Ya gotta have a thick skin to deal with the public, ESPECIALLY the American public. Remember, most of the rude uncultured uncivilized barbarians that say such things have to take off their shoes to count above 10 and wouldn't recognize a work of art if it came up and bit them. ] Regards ...... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 12:58:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:40:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "KC & Brad Hoisington" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Customers Response Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:37:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.8378.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "KC & Brad Hoisington" >"if you would like that piece sooner than later I< I would be so bold as to say, "If you would like that piece before you die...." followed by a = charming wink-o-the-eye! And then be sure = to give them your business card so they can call you after they've thought about it. These kinds of customers never go away and you can only be graceful with them. Here's another example. You remember I recently attended a national liturgical design conference. At the portfolio night, someone asked one of the world-class artists (Elizabeth Devereaux, I think) if she offered wholesale prices on her church windows. Her reply (without missing a beat!) was something to this effect: "Oh, no. I have enough work now for a year and a half. But, I would love to design windows for you if you're willing to wait for me." Very well said, I thought. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 13:25:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:46:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling at the craft show! Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:39:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.83929.0> References: <<38205ABB.EBA64247@capecod.net>> Precedence: bulk > Anthony Higson wrote: > > > What do you reply to people who look at your glass > > work and say > > "oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Its not as nice as yours and I've > > been waiting for them to make me_______(fill in blank). Then they walk > > away without buying anything. > > You need to refine your selling technique since this person was a potential > sale that you let slip away. > > Your first requirement is to engage the person in conversation. You might > have said: > "Oh, are you interested in stained glass?" Then you reinforce their > perceptions with something like: "Oh, that's my favorite too--one of my > earliest projects was a ____" > Then you begin establishing a further connection with more personal items by > saying something like: "What kind of decor do you have in your home?" > Again, positive reinforcement on your part. Now, if you perceive that the > person is comfortable with you, you may suggest one of your items that will > fit perfectly into their home explaining how, in your experience, someone > bought one of them and it is a focal point in their home! If I'm not > mistaken if the person follows you through 4 of your questions--the sale is > guaranteed! > > Remember, when you're sitting at the table you're a salesperson first, a > craftsperson second! > > Good luck! > > Best wishes, > Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 13:37:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:04:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dutch stained glass panels Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:23:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.92316.0> Precedence: bulk Have you seen this guy's stained glass work? Not bad! http://www.xs4all.nl/~vmeel/glasinlood/index.htm Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 13:52:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:23:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:32:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.23234.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks ... a question from idle curiosity. When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put music on? Ditto for design work. If so, what music do you put on? Regards to all .... Bob (the younger ) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 15:00:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:06:10 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov3.22610.0> Precedence: bulk Yep, sure do... Paul Galbraith..classical guitar. Gets the creative juices flowin'! Susan Alabama ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 15:12:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:30:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: ezbongo2@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:27:22 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov3.222722.0> Precedence: bulk Of course! In the morning and afternoon it's talk radio (usually Dr. Laura Schleshinger Show) and in the evening: country, Enya, or audio books. Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 15:41:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:35:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:33:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.123317.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by rrk >When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put music on? Ditto for design work. If so, what music do you put on?< Very rarely. Never when there is more than one person in the same room. If I am alone, I'll = occasionally put on something instrumental without bass or Gregorian chant. Harp is nice. Classical guitar. Light jazz. No voice though... it draws my attention from what I'm doing.... so does a predominate bass. No rock 'n' roll... I get that at chain restaurants and department stores aplenty! Some of 'em even blast into the parking lots.... how tacky can you get?!! Enough of that boring diatribe! If I had been thinking, I would have said, "Philip Glass, of course." Oh, well. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 15:45:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:36:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "rrk" , Subject: Re: Glass and Music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:34:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.123438.0> References: <<1999Nov3.23234.0>> Precedence: bulk I listen to Celine Dion, Taylor Dayne, Sarah McLaughlin, etc. I love "mushy" music when I'm feeling artsy. ----- Original Message ----- From: rrk To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 1:32 PM Subject: NG : Glass and Music > > Hi folks ... a question from idle curiosity. > > When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put > music on? > > Ditto for design work. > > If so, what music do you put on? > > Regards to all .... Bob (the younger ) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 16:43:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:49:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!nbg3755 From: Nancy B Gildersleeve To: ezbongo2@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:31:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.103148.0> Precedence: bulk No, I don't--music is distracting (maybe it's the "beat"). I much prefer books on tape or NPR talk shows to music. I can think but not dance to glass work. Nancy G ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 17:22:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:36:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.123614.0> References: <<1999Nov3.123317.0>> Precedence: bulk Always music or audio book. I turn the music up...have a decent sterio in my studio... What I listen to depends on my mood. sound track from Titanic. James Taylor Kenny Loggins "unimaginable life"--good for any work Kenny Loggins "Live from the redwoods" Kenny Loggins "Return to Pooh Corner" <--good late night soldering music.. Paul Simon Shania Twain Jackson Browne Van Morrison Beatles John Lennon Tom Petty Grateful Dead Joni Mitchell Celine Dion theres more...but...you get the picture... Lots of different artists..just depends on my mood. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 17:44:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:35:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.143627.0> References: <<1999Nov3.23234.0>> Precedence: bulk Van Morrison, Van Morrison, or Van Morrison. BW rrk wrote: > Hi folks ... a question from idle curiosity. > > When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put > music on? > > Ditto for design work. > > If so, what music do you put on? > > Regards to all .... Bob (the younger ) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 17:47:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:12:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: futuresouth.com!flick From: Nancy Flick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass and Music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1999Nov3.23234.0>>> Precedence: bulk We listen to a jazz radio station. We like it and feel like it won't offend some of our customers. Nancy http://alleykatsglass.virtualave.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: rrk >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 1:32 PM >Subject: NG : Glass and Music > > >> >> Hi folks ... a question from idle curiosity. >> >> When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put >> music on? >> >> Ditto for design work. >> >> If so, what music do you put on? >> >> Regards to all .... Bob (the younger ) >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 18:50:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:50:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: rrk , glass Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:49:43 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "NG : Glass and Music" on Nov 3, 10:32, rrk writes:] > music on? > > Ditto for design work. > > If so, what music do you put on? Definately listen to music...time goes by soo much faster! I have a Bose radio on usually to rock and roll/pop. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 19:26:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:43:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: twinwolf.net!dimitrovich From: "Pamela Dimitrovich" To: Subject: Job Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:21:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.152126.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'm putting out this message to all Bungians in the Detroit area to see if anyone is interested in bidding a job for a Greek Orthodox church that is being built. I'm told they are taking bids for the windows as well as for oil painters for painting icons and images around the church. I am not skilled enough nor have the means to bid a job of this size. If anyone is interested, please email me privately for more discussion about this. Thanks, Pamela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 19:46:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:55:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: marybdaily@hotmail.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Paul Stankard Video Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:51:42 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov4.25142.0> Precedence: bulk Regarding Paul Stankard, I am going to try to catch his hour lecture this friday at the SOFA exhibition in Chicago, I'm going to also try to see Dale Chihuly's lecture the same day. It all depends on whether I can sneak out of work early or not! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 20:20:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:49:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!kcbradhoisington From: "KC & Brad Hoisington" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass and Music Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: <199911040346.WAA1283284@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> Precedence: bulk To really aid in my creativity I listen to celtic music, rennaisance type music, Craig Chaquico (electric acqustic guitar), Gary Lamb (piano.) I find instrumental music very helpful as opposed to that with vocals which I find a bit disracting but enjoyable just the same. Kevlyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 20:54:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:52:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "Anthony Higson" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 20:50:27 Message-ID: <199911040350.UAA09075@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:35:28 -0600, Anthony Higson wrote: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . and how about.. "why, this is just plastic!" and "my aunt does this too, so why should I buy any from you?" and "why are your prices so High? I could get something just like this at Walmart! (or Builders Square or home Depot...)" LOL!! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 21:11:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:55:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 20:52:50 Message-ID: <199911040352.UAA09261@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Depends on how fast I want to work!!! Mostly instrumental, could be rock, alternative, celtic (not dance stuff), or even opera.. Candy On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:36:27 -0500, Brad Walker wrote: >Van Morrison, Van Morrison, or Van Morrison. > >BW > >rrk wrote: > >> Hi folks ... a question from idle curiosity. >> >> When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put >> music on? >> >> Ditto for design work. >> >> If so, what music do you put on? >> >> Regards to all .... Bob (the younger ) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 21:27:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:40:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Resperiator Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:37:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.173757.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for lead and flux. I've checked the local automotive places, but I don't think they have anything to offer that really works for what I need. I need a quality one. I'll be using it at work and at home. I believe I've gone without one long enough. Thanks in advance, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 21:46:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:27:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: rrk , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:26:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.18267.0> References: <<1999Nov3.23234.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Absolutely!!!! I'm fortunate to have WETA from DC and WBJC from Baltimore as two good (NPR) classical/jazz stations, and some fainter college/university stations so much of the time I listen to them - even suffer through the "Songs For Aging Children" 60s and 70s stuff on WETA. But as soon as they put on opera or start ANY talk show (except Prairie Home Companion), I get out my CDs. Medieval, Renaissance, English traditional folk/secular/sacred/, Spanish traditional secular/sacred, European, Early American, 20th century. Love original instruments. Classical jazz.. Choral. Piano. And I crank it up (meaning about half the Dbs a normal teenager uses ). Ever notice how the only time you ever hear choral music is as a background to ads selling upscale things like very expensive cars and crystal, china or clothes? As if the people who buy the big ticket items actually like classical choral music! Ha - nobody does except a very small number of people, half of whom are also singing it, and the other half are all over 50. I know I could listen at work on my computer but work is constantly interrupted by phone calls, and technical stuff where I'm booting and rebooting so I've pretty much abandoned that although it would help when troubleshooting and fixing things and we have NO radio reception in the bowels of the bureaucracy. And when the TV isn't on at home it's just restful to have silence. But when I'm doing glass - oh yeah! I think any physical activity, whether drawing or cutting or typing or whatever is more productive when you adopt a rhythm, so in listening, I'm facilitating that, but that's not really why I listen. I am a musician, and I love music. rrk wrote: > Hi folks ... a question from idle curiosity. > > When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put > music on? > > Ditto for design work. > > If so, what music do you put on? > > Regards to all .... Bob (the younger ) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 22:38:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:23:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bigplanet.com!alanrusk From: Alan Ruskis To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.193944.0> Precedence: bulk At 10:32 AM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi folks ... a question from idle curiosity. > >When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put >music on? > OPERA!!!! mostly Wagner, but always with music. Alan Ruskis ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 3 23:00:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:02:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Wed Nov 3 22:00:50 1999 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.193850.0> References: <<1999Nov3.123614.0>> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk i also have to put in the cher-believe album ... really gets you rocking and a-rollin' debbie jo taylor kleeman@one.net (513) 231-0082 1-888-488-9616 fax: (413) 832-3470 Stained Glass Supplies http://www.taylordexpressions.com WATKINS Ind. Rep - business opportunity- http://www.winnersteam.com/djt to order products: http://208.231.9.209/cgi-bin/cart.pl?referrer=djt FULLERBRUSH Ind Rep - http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/fullerbrush AVON Ind Rep - kleeman@one.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 7:36 PM Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music > Always music or audio book. I turn the music up...have a decent sterio > in my studio... > > What I listen to depends on my mood. > > sound track from Titanic. > James Taylor > Kenny Loggins "unimaginable life"--good for any work > Kenny Loggins "Live from the redwoods" > Kenny Loggins "Return to Pooh Corner" <--good late night soldering > music.. > Paul Simon > Shania Twain > Jackson Browne > Van Morrison > Beatles > John Lennon > Tom Petty > Grateful Dead > Joni Mitchell > Celine Dion > theres more...but...you get the picture... > Lots of different artists..just depends on my mood. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 03:31:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:36:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 05:41:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.14150.0> References: <<1999Nov3.123317.0>> Precedence: bulk > Enough of that boring diatribe! If I had been > thinking, I would have said, "Philip Glass, of > course." Oh, well. My personal Knock Knock joke: Knock knock. Who's there? Knock knock. Who's there? Knock knock. Who's there? Knock knock. Who's there? Knock knock. Who's there? Phillip Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 04:59:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 03:59:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: ezbongo2@pacbell.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:57:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov4.115714.0> Precedence: bulk Goo Goo Dolls, Ricky Martin,Billy Joel ,Bee Gees......A little bit of Bach....Mozart....Sarah McLachlan......anything soothing...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 05:34:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:47:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:47:23 -0500 Message-ID: <199911041246.HAA24737@smu0102.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk on this day you wrote: >Ever notice how the only time you ever hear choral music is as a >background to ads selling upscale things like very expensive cars and >crystal, china or clothes? As if the people who buy the big ticket items >actually like classical choral music! Ha - nobody does except a very >small number of people, half of whom are also singing it, and the other >half are all over 50. Hey hey - I *love* classical choral music, particularly the oratorios of Handel and German opera. Often I work to the Messiah. Talk about getting revved up! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 06:01:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:50:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:48:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.144835.0> References: <<1999Nov3.23234.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi there I always listen to music when doing glass or manual work (not for other things which I have to concentrate on more), usually a radio station with programmes on techno, rock, jazz, flamenco, and all types of modern music; if not, depending on my mood, son (Cuban) , flamenco, African music (to cheer me up), rock, jazz, almost anything as you can see. I am quite hooked on Credence Clearwater Revival, REM, Lou Reed, Van Morrison, Tom Waits, Nina Simone, Thelonius Monk, Ottis Reading and Camarón de la Isla (God reincarnated in a gypsy flamenco singer), and many others. Elena rrk escribió: > Hi folks ... a question from idle curiosity. > > When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put > music on? > > Ditto for design work. > > If so, what music do you put on? > > Regards to all .... Bob (the younger ) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 06:04:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 05:25:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Respirator Re: Resperiator Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:20:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov4.13206.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/4/99 12:29:30 AM, khupp@citynet.net writes: >Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for >lead and flux. I've been using a standard organic-vapor respirator from Home Depot - the filter canisters have activated carbon or some such adsorbent (note to non-chemists: yup, I spelled that right). So far, so good......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 06:28:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 05:00:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: CWWSLW@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:03:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.2349.0> References: <<1999Nov3.22610.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I always have the classical station on the radio. It goes on when I switch everything on,and stays on till I turn everything off! Gillian CWWSLW@aol.com wrote: > Yep, sure do... > Paul Galbraith..classical guitar. Gets the creative juices flowin'! > > Susan > Alabama > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 06:39:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 05:01:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:59:05 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov4.12595.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/3/99 11:13:08 AM, HiimLaura@aol.com writes: > [...] I know a crafter who makes painted old-fashoned style signs who has >a sign that is painted to fit in perfectly with her inventory that reads, >"Sure, You Can Make That, But Will You?" [...] Good ansuh! I suspect most people who even *notice* that sign won't have a clue that the artist is taking a poke at them...... >pique assiette Huh? Whazzat? > the "I can make that" >people and the "My so-and-so makes those" people- The one we seem to hear a lot around the shop is: "I used to do stained glass........." Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 07:51:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:30:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: music Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:26:33 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov4.142633.0> Precedence: bulk Broadway show tunes!!! I also like to listen to Indigo Girls, Sarah McGlaughlin, 10,000 Maniacs. Other times some classic guitar - Jesse Cook or Otmar Liebert. When I am really in a wild mood I throw on the Gypsy Kings!!!! Look out!! :) I am interested in Opera....does anyone have a suggestion on a good "beginner opera" to get me started?! Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 08:16:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:33:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Various Lead sizes Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:32:22 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov4.143222.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, Can someone help me out here? I am doing four panels, each approx. 66"x50". They will be stacked on top of each other in one continuous design. My question.... What should the average size lead be? How many different sizes of lead should I use? ( I want to use different size leads!) How many different sizes would be too many? I have thought about using up to 1/2" on some of the bigger elements in the design, and as small as 1/8" in the more detailed work, with 4 other sizes in between. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Kauriee Wood ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 08:21:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:43:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG : Glass and Music Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:38:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.43859.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by rrk >When you are in the workshop making whatever it is you make, do you put music on?< Classical music, world music, some jazz, some pop, but mostly classical. Of course, it might help yall to know that I have a degree in music education and play flute/piccolo/tympany and sing professionally. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA U.S.A. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 08:52:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:48:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: artglassconcepts.com!delores From: "Delores Taylor" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: Respirator Re: Resperiator Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:45:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov3.224534.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks wrote: >Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for >lead and flux. I've been told by an engineer at Boeing the finest filter is purple in color and I don't remember the micron size. I personally have a North with the purple cartridges. Most pottery stores carry these because of the fine dust the potters have to protect themselves from. This is what I use for kiln casting. Also Northwest Art Glass in Redmond, WA carries these but I'd bet this brand is available most places. Jax's Stained Glass in Bellevue also uses this respirator to sandblast with. Since most folks only use a hepa filter rather than a respirator I would think a filter for solvents (most likely the one you have) would be OK. If you use a filter to sandblast or kilncast I'd go with the better filter. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 09:14:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:03:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!kcbradhoisington From: "KC & Brad Hoisington" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Resperiator Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:58:21 -0800 Message-ID: <199911041501.KAA231752@pimout7-int.prodigy.net> Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for > lead and flux. Hi Kathy, When I was pregnant I got my respirator at a paint supply store. This was a paint store that sold specialty paints like sign paints, car paints etc, (not like a house paint place.) Anyway I told the guy exactly what I was doing and he showed me 2. One was a permanent model that you change the cartridges on. The other was a disposable model. They both had the same type of filters, the filters were good for about 40 hours. I opted for the diposable one as it was much lighter than the other. Kevlyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 09:26:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:05:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.569.0> Precedence: bulk My answers to: "I can get this at ..." is "No you can't!" and then explain why. "my aunt does this too, so why should I buy any from you?" You shouldn't you should buy it from her. Don't even comment on the plastic people. They probably think cut glass and diamond are the same. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Candy Thurman [mailto:candy@ghostman.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:50 PM To: Anthony Higson Subject: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:35:28 -0600, Anthony Higson wrote: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . and how about.. "why, this is just plastic!" and "my aunt does this too, so why should I buy any from you?" and "why are your prices so High? I could get something just like this at Walmart! (or Builders Square or home Depot...)" LOL!! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 10:55:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:58:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Various Lead sizes Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.15622.0> Precedence: bulk >>I am doing four panels, each approx. 66"x50". They will be stacked on top of each other in one continuous design. My question.... What should the average size lead be?<< The sizes of lead that you use should be dictated by the design. Use as many sizes as you think best. I get the idea that you think that the lead size has something to do with the strength of the window. It does but not enough. EACH panel this size will require rebar to insure its future health. Furthermore, EACH panel MUST be separately supported by rails in the opening. Stacking the panels each bearing on the other will produce a window that will quickly fail- perhaps during instillation. Check out most any similar size church window to get an idea of the rail and rebar requirements for your window. This is a large job and the impression I received from your message did not lead me to believe you should do this job without professional on scene assistance. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 12:51:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:41:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Various Lead sizes Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.82339.0> Precedence: bulk Kauriee, If you give us some idea of what the design is. How you design it has a lot to do with structural elements of the lead. pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA -----Original Message----- From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:50 AM Subject: Various Lead sizes >Hello, >Can someone help me out here? >I am doing four panels, each approx. 66"x50". They will be stacked on top of >each other in one continuous design. My question.... >What should the average size lead be? How many different sizes of lead >should I use? ( I want to use different size leads!) How many different >sizes would be too many? >I have thought about using up to 1/2" on some of the bigger elements in the >design, and as small as 1/8" in the more detailed work, with 4 other sizes in >between. Any suggestions? >Thanks in advance! > >Kauriee Wood >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 13:19:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:45:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: more lead questions Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:44:45 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov4.194445.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you who responded about my earlier lead questions. Here's one more for you.... I have heard that an HR profile is stronger than a flat HF profile due to the fact that there is more metal in the HR. If properly reinforced (which I will be doing with external rebar) does it matter which one you use? What are the pro's and con's of each. I had originally planned on using the HR because of the strength issue, however my wholesaler has a much bigger variety of the HF leads. Which do most of you use when making larger panels? By the way, the four windows will NOT be sitting on top of each other, there is framing in place that separates the windows. Rebar will extend into the existing framing to help support the windows PJ you asked about the design... The design is for a church.... The top panel (1) is an image of God looking down over his people with a rainbow encircling him. The rainbow distorts at the bottom of the first panel and "runs" into the second one turning into a "life force" (just a big band that will have multi colored glass in it) The life force represents the creation of the universe- in this case it came from God through the rainbow. The next two panels (2&3) run together to make an Oak tree (represented here as the "Tree of Life") - the "life force" is seen through and behind the tree, and the bottom panel is people hanging out around a pond that a river empties into. I thought that since the "life force" was such a big part of the panel that perhaps I would use 1/2" lead on it, however I did not know if that might be too bulky. I also didn't know if I use say 1/8" lead on the detail of the flowers, if it would be too small. Thank you again for your help! Kauriee Wood ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 14:49:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:45:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "bungi" Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:43:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.114335.0> Precedence: bulk Vic, I have had someone mention plastic too. Where in heck do they get the plastic idea. I just would have never ever gotten that idea even before I started doing glass. Ever, ever, ever!! I knew what stained glass was, and all that since I was a kid. I just sometimes wonder what planet these people arrived from that they would look at stained glass works and bring up plastic. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Modiano, Victor To: 'bungi' Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:38 PM Subject: RE: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . >My answers to: "I can get this at ..." is "No you can't!" and then explain >why. >"my aunt does this too, so why should I buy any from you?" You shouldn't you >should buy it from her. >Don't even comment on the plastic people. They probably think cut glass and >diamond are the same. > >Vic M. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Candy Thurman [mailto:candy@ghostman.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:50 PM >To: Anthony Higson >Subject: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . > > >On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:35:28 -0600, Anthony Higson wrote: > >>"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . >and how about.. "why, this is just plastic!" >and "my aunt does this too, so why should I buy any from you?" >and "why are your prices so High? I could get something just like this at >Walmart! (or >Builders Square or home Depot...)" > >LOL!! >Candy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 15:22:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:22:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.62235.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk OK I want to know the first thing that comes into you head, after you read this question. When you visualize cherubs, what color are their wings? Nothing deep here, I am making cherub tree ornaments and nothing is clicking for me. Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 16:54:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:49:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.134956.0> References: <<1999Nov4.62235.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > OK > I want to know the first thing that comes into you head, after you read > this question. > When you visualize cherubs, what color are their wings? > Nothing deep here, I am making cherub tree ornaments and nothing is > clicking for me. > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i see grey. or maybe pink. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 17:18:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:03:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Respirator Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:52:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.135215.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who gave suggestions on the locating of a respirator. Sounds like it shouldn't be too hard to find. I'll look a little deeper. (And thanks for the correct spelling, Sparks! I knew it was wrong but was too lazy and tired to look it up.) Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 17:28:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:38:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Linda Jo Letscher" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:36:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.133615.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Linda Jo Letscher" >I just sometimes wonder what planet these people arrived from that they would look at stained glass works and bring up plastic.< Some of the resin-cast stuff can look = pretty convincing if it's done well. I'm not sure that's technically plastic, but it certainly is not glass. My guess is that some of the confusion stems from that..... Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 17:59:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:50:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284@aol.com To: balloch@netbridge.net, Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:46:30 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov5.04630.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley, Iridescent Clear Whispy......... Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 18:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:54:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: xtra.co.nz!TMacnicol From: Tina Booth To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: more lead questions Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 13:53:28 +1300 Message-ID: <1999Nov6.25328.0> References: <<1999Nov4.194445.0>> Precedence: bulk What does GOD look like??? Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all of you who responded about my earlier lead questions. > > Here's one more for you.... > > I have heard that an HR profile is stronger than a flat HF profile due to the > fact that there is more metal in the HR. If properly reinforced (which I > will be doing with external rebar) does it matter which one you use? What > are the pro's and con's of each. I had originally planned on using the HR > because of the strength issue, however my wholesaler has a much bigger > variety of the HF leads. Which do most of you use when making larger panels? > > By the way, the four windows will NOT be sitting on top of each other, there > is framing in place that separates the windows. Rebar will extend into the > existing framing to help support the windows > > PJ you asked about the design... > > The design is for a church.... The top panel (1) is an image of God looking > down over his people with a rainbow encircling him. The rainbow distorts at > the bottom of the first panel and "runs" into the second one turning into a > "life force" (just a big band that will have multi colored glass in it) The > life force represents the creation of the universe- in this case it came from > God through the rainbow. The next two panels (2&3) run together to make an > Oak tree (represented here as the "Tree of Life") - the "life force" is seen > through and behind the tree, and the bottom panel is people hanging out > around a pond that a river empties into. > > I thought that since the "life force" was such a big part of the panel that > perhaps I would use 1/2" lead on it, however I did not know if that might be > too bulky. > I also didn't know if I use say 1/8" lead on the detail of the flowers, if it > would be too small. > > Thank you again for your help! > Kauriee Wood > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- -Tina Booth- -Knowledge is true opinion- -Plato- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 18:46:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:58:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: NG How to Gain Business 101pt.2 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:51:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov5.05114.0> Precedence: bulk Hey remember last spring when I started the thread about the business owner down on Long Island that was so rude to me that I swore I would never do business with him. Then we all discussed the pros and cons of businesses. So I had to write and tell you about today. Now let me premise it with, I don't have a lot of experience with different retail stores because of where I live there is only one stained glass supplier within an hour in any direction. So I had to go to a conference in ALbany, New York. While I was there I opened the yellow pages and looked up stained glass. I found a retail store in Scotia, NY called A Stain in the Glass (pretty catchy huh?). I had to go and I did. Let me say the owner couldn't have been nicer. Now remember last spring I begged the owner to buy one of his patterns and he refused unless I took his class, even though I explained that I was in town visiting from 5 hours away. Anyway I was admiring something he made and he told me how to make it and offered to give me , not sell ....give me, the pattern if I wanted it. Now to me that guy won me over instantly. Needless to say I shopped and shopped and shopped, had a great time, bought lots of stuff and will definately go back whenever possible. So I just had to sing his praises and thank him for his kindness and patience with me. Now this is HOW TO GAIN BUSINESS 101. Back to lurking now, Caren ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 19:08:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:09:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: thezone.net!robertcrane From: "robert crane" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: air brushing on glass Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:32:07 -0330 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.17447.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF270C.0B525860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have any of you bungi people had experience in using an air brush to = apply paint to glass. ( we are talking glass paint that may be fired) I = have tried it and there seems to be too much water involved in the = delivery of the paint. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=20 Also to Howard-- if your wife's class has an email address, I would = gladely correspond with her class. Please pass the invite along.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF270C.0B525860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Have any of you bungi people had = experience in=20 using an air brush to apply paint to glass. ( we are talking glass paint = that=20 may be fired) I have tried it and there seems to be too much water = involved in=20 the delivery of the paint. Any suggestions would be greatly=20 appreciated. 
 
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+++When you visualize cherubs, what color are their=20 wings?+++
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BF2706.7B688E40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 19:38:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:40:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:35:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.193551.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley - irridescent or pearly white for angel wings, what else? That's what I see anyway. Tami "Impossibilities are merely things which we have not yet learned." Charles W. Chesnutt Tami Siddens Envision Success Professional Coaching/Consulting Services Member International Coach Federation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 19:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:43:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: suzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG : Glass and Music Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:41:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.134139.0> References: <<199911041246.HAA24737@smu0102.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk I am with you, I love the classics and before my voice gave out on me used to do a lot of singing and even appeared in some musical theater productions. I also enjoy popping in books on tape when I am working on glass. My favorite spot for stained glass is in our lake cabin where the elecrical wiring somehow interferes with the radio when my soldering iron is on. There isn't a large selection of classical music on the radios there so I started getting books on tape and test my skills at "Who Done Its." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 20:04:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:45:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:59:47 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov5.05947.0> References: <<1999Nov4.62235.0>> Precedence: bulk I personally use white irridized glass for my angel wings. Cherubs should look the same. I've made lots of angels and when the light hits those wings they look so nice. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 20:06:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:48:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:49:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.154921.0> References: <<1999Nov4.114335.0>> Precedence: bulk > I just would have never ever gotten that idea even before I started doing > glass. Ever, ever, ever!! I knew what stained glass was, and all that > since I was a kid. I just sometimes wonder what planet these people arrived > from that they would look at stained glass works and bring up plastic They probably eat at one of several restaurants that have 'plastic' stained glass (i.e. Applebee's, Friday's, etc etc etc) or have purchased inexpensive sun catchers that are made of this stuff. If one has never been exposed to stained glass (or even history or art in general, which is not uncommon in these times, unfortunately) it would be quite possible for them not to be able to tell the difference or even understand that people still make stained glass with glass!!. Not to say it excuses these people.....but it does explain where they get these 'weird' ideas. Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 20:23:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:50:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:48:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.134848.0> References: <<1999Nov4.62235.0>> Precedence: bulk I use glue chip and Spectrum Ice Crystals for angel wings and would use the same if I were making cherubs. Sounds interesting. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 20:28:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:40:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Tina Booth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: more lead questions Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:39:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.163928.0> References: <<1999Nov6.25328.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Tina Booth wrote: > > What does GOD look like??? see - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/about_me.htm ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 20:45:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:49:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Tina Booth Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: more lead questions Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:49:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.164912.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Tina Booth >What does GOD look like??? < There are gazillions of examples throughout art history..... a good number of them in stained glass.... of peoples' interpretations. Look at the Sistine Chapel and you'll see Michelangelo's = interpretation..... he almost inevitably looks = elderly and very wise - the ultimate patriarch. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 20:52:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:14:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: NG How to Gain Business 101pt.2 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:11:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.171140.0> Precedence: bulk Caren, How nice to hear a good retailer story. Nice. It is too bad the bad apples are always the ones that get the most attention. Mr. "A Stain in the Glass", sounds like the type of retail store guy everyone should have the pleasure of patronizing. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:02 PM Subject: NG How to Gain Business 101pt.2 >Hey remember last spring when I started the thread about the business >owner down on Long Island that was so rude to me that I swore I would >never do business with him. Then we all discussed the pros and cons of >businesses. >So I had to write and tell you about today. Now let me premise it with, >I don't have a lot of experience with different retail stores because of >where I live there is only one stained glass supplier within an hour in >any direction. So I had to go to a conference in ALbany, New York. >While I was there I opened the yellow pages and looked up stained glass. >I found a retail store in Scotia, NY called A Stain in the Glass (pretty >catchy huh?). I had to go and I did. Let me say the owner >couldn't have been nicer. Now remember last spring I begged the owner to >buy one of his patterns and he refused unless I took his class, even >though I explained that I was in town visiting from 5 hours away. Anyway >I was admiring something he made and he told me how to make it and >offered to give me , not sell ....give me, the pattern if I wanted it. >Now to me that guy won me over instantly. Needless to say I shopped and >shopped and shopped, had a great time, bought lots of stuff and will >definately go back whenever possible. > >So I just had to sing his praises and thank him for his kindness and >patience with me. Now this is HOW TO GAIN BUSINESS 101. > >Back to lurking now, >Caren > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 20:59:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:51:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: domesticity.net!bethanie From: Bethanie Brown To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:54:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <<1999Nov4.62235.0>> Precedence: bulk Cream color with white wisps. At 6:22 PM -0400 11/4/99, Shirley Balloch wrote: >OK >I want to know the first thing that comes into you head, after you read >this question. >When you visualize cherubs, what color are their wings? >Nothing deep here, I am making cherub tree ornaments and nothing is >clicking for me. >Thanks in advance. >Shirley B >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 21:25:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:58:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "bungi" Subject: Fw: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:55:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.175558.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Tami Siddens Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll >I guess I missunderstood. Shirley didn't mention glass did she? I thought >she asked what colors we though of when we thought of Cherubs? >Linda Jo > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tami Siddens >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:54 PM >Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll > > >>Shirley - irridescent or pearly white for angel wings, what else? That's >>what I see anyway. >>Tami >> >>"Impossibilities are merely things which we have not yet learned." Charles >>W. Chesnutt >> >>Tami Siddens >>Envision Success >>Professional Coaching/Consulting Services >>Member International Coach Federation >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 21:31:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:24:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ecr.net!seamist From: seamist@ecr.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Please participate in my poll Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:20:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.182058.0> Precedence: bulk Uroboros white hand rolled drapery glass....looks like real feathers. back to lurking... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 4 22:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:15:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clds.net!glassaddict From: Pamela Takacs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Web site list Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 00:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.191425.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01BF2722.B77913C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a main home page for this list? ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01BF2722.B77913C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01BF2722.B77913C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 00:02:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:49:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 00:52:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov4.18522.0> References: <<38227E13.6E831B64@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk I was a trainer for TGI Fridays for 4 years and traveled to different stores. All the stained glass in their restaurants were still real when I left the company in 1990. I cleaned more than a few of them. Sometimes if they arent kept clean and get grungy and greasy, the glass may not feel real...but all you have to do is lift one of those puppies once, and there is no doubt it is all glass and lead. Tulsa Suzanne > They probably eat at one of several restaurants that have 'plastic' stained > glass (i.e. Applebee's, Friday's, etc etc etc) or have purchased inexpensive > sun catchers that are made of this stuff. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 05:19:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 04:18:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.21134.0> References: <<1999Nov4.62235.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: When you visualize cherubs, what color are their wings? A fun question--but since the representation of cherubs (putti) is a human invention, what you're really asking is: in the pictures you've seen, what color are the cherubs' wings? So, why not go to the Renaissance Masters to see how they did it? Try a search on Alta Vista's Image search engine using-- putti-- some beautiful images there! Best wishes, Joseph > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 06:22:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 05:22:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: RE: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:20:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov5.132013.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/4/99 12:27:25 PM, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: >My answers to: "I can get this at ..." is "No you can't!" and then explain >why. [...] I'm curious: Has anyone ever set up a side-by-side display of "ours" (your own unique, soulfully crafted $2000 work of art) versus "theirs" (that $200 piece of store-bought junk) so visitors to your booth can *see* the difference? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 07:54:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:47:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: nadinesfolly@erols.com To: Suzanne Gunn Subject: re: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: 05 Nov 99 09:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: <199911051444.JAA04867@smtp1.erols.com> Precedence: bulk I ate at the Hard Rock Cafe in Baltimore on Monday and specifically asked for a certain table so I could be near the stained glass windows. They weren't! Plastic! I was really disappointed. . .the food was the same! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 08:22:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:03:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: RE: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.5335.0> Precedence: bulk Guy I used to buy from, old neighborhood in my single days, had a $39.95 K-mart Special lamp he kept in the back room. Every time someone asked why his cost so much more he'd bring it out and show them. Last time I talked to him, about 8 years ago, he was running slightly over 80% for orders taken after comparison. I wouldn't leave one in plain sight. But having a graphic display of "theirs" and "ours" handy may not be a bad idea. You can look for a "theirs" at garage sales and in a pitch about life span. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 8:20 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: RE: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . In a message dated 11/4/99 12:27:25 PM, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: >My answers to: "I can get this at ..." is "No you can't!" and then explain >why. [...] I'm curious: Has anyone ever set up a side-by-side display of "ours" (your own unique, soulfully crafted $2000 work of art) versus "theirs" (that $200 piece of store-bought junk) so visitors to your booth can *see* the difference? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 08:25:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:04:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Please participate in my poll Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:05:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.5530.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF279F.34DA97CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Always see the wings as irridized but the color changes based on the rest of the design. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch [mailto:balloch@netbridge.net] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 5:23 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Please participate in my poll OK I want to know the first thing that comes into you head, after you read this question. When you visualize cherubs, what color are their wings? Nothing deep here, I am making cherub tree ornaments and nothing is clicking for me. Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF279F.34DA97CC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Please participate in my poll

Always see the wings as irridized but the color changes based on the rest of the design.

Vic M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Balloch [mailto:balloch@netbridge.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 5:23 PM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject: Please participate in my poll


OK
I want to know the first thing that comes into you head, after you read
this question.
When you visualize cherubs, what color are their wings?
Nothing deep here, I am making cherub tree ornaments and nothing is
clicking for me.
Thanks in advance.
Shirley B
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BF279F.34DA97CC-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 08:55:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:59:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Rita Tidwell , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: NG Re: URGENT...More Charges Pending for Email]] Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:02:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.4214.0> References: <<3822F4E6.98F94F0B@bellsouth.net>> Precedence: bulk This is an old rumor. >From the US postal website. http://www.usps.gov/news/press/99/99045new.htm =20 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE May 21, 1999 Release No. 45 E-MAIL RUMOR COMPLETELY UNTRUE WASHINGTON =96 A completely false rumor concerning the U.S. Postal Service is being circulated on Internet e-mail. As a matter of fact, the Postal Service has learned that a similar hoax occurred recently in Canada concerning Canada Post. The e-mail message claims that a "Congressman Schnell" has introduced "Bill 602P" to allow the federal government to impose a 5-cent surcharge on each e-mail message delivered over the Internet. The money would be collected by Internet Service Providers and then turned over to the Postal Service. No such proposed legislation exists. In fact, no "Congressman Schnell" exists. The U.S. Postal Service has no authority to surcharge e-mail messages sent over the Internet, nor would it support such legislation. -30- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 10:55:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:56:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Las Vegas show dates? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:55:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.35515.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know the dates of the Las Vegas glass show? I tried to look it up on the IGGA page but got bounced... Thanks, Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 11:22:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:54:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clds.net!glassaddict From: Pamela Takacs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Charlie Spitzer Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.75125.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF278C.7871ECA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't know it was coming over like that. I was upset cause I was = getting my msgs in Mime. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF278C.7871ECA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF278C.7871ECA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 11:53:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Las Vegas schedule out for Expo in March 2000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:46:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.84629.0> Precedence: bulk www.glasscraftexpo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 12:15:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:14:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Shari" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Las Vegas show dates? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.91223.0> Precedence: bulk I need to call them anyway to see about getting an IGGA booth, so I'll find out unless someone else beats me to it.... Cheers, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 12:41:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:14:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: KC & Brad Hoisington Subject: Re: Resperiator Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:36:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.183635.0> References: <<199911041501.KAA231752@pimout7-int.prodigy.net>> Precedence: bulk I'm going to sound like a broken record here. Paint stores just don't know! get proper safety advice. Steve In message <199911041501.KAA231752@pimout7-int.prodigy.net>, KC & Brad Hoisington writes >> Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for >> lead and flux. > > >Hi Kathy, > >When I was pregnant I got my respirator at a paint supply store. This was >a paint store that sold specialty paints like sign paints, car paints etc, >(not like a house paint place.) > >Anyway I told the guy exactly what I was doing and he showed me 2. One was >a permanent model that you change the cartridges on. The other was a >disposable model. They both had the same type of filters, the filters >were good for about 40 hours. I opted for the diposable one as it was much >lighter than the other. > >Kevlyn >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 12:45:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:14:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Delores Taylor Subject: Re: FW: Respirator Re: Resperiator Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.183513.0> References: <<1999Nov3.224534.0@?>> Precedence: bulk You all need to remember that it is fumes you are trying to remove with the breathing filters. Dust type filters just won't do it. You probably are better off without them, as they give false confidence and no appreciable protection. Telephone a reputable safety equipment supplier. describe the hazard and take their advice. Steve In message <1999Nov3.224534.0@?>, Delores Taylor writes >Sparks wrote: > >>Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for >>lead and flux. > >I've been told by an engineer at Boeing the finest filter is purple in color >and I don't remember the micron size. I personally have a North with the >purple cartridges. Most pottery stores carry these because of the fine dust >the potters have to protect themselves from. This is what I use for kiln >casting. Also Northwest Art Glass in Redmond, WA carries these but I'd bet >this brand is available most places. Jax's Stained Glass in Bellevue also >uses this respirator to sandblast with. > >Since most folks only use a hepa filter rather than a respirator I would >think a filter for solvents (most likely the one you have) would be OK. If >you use a filter to sandblast or kilncast I'd go with the better filter. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 13:07:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:15:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Re: Various Lead sizes Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:32:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.183213.0> References: <<1999Nov4.143222.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Use as many sizes of lead as you like. I think of lead in my designs as lines of various emphasises so some are stronger than others, just as in a line drawing. In fact the further the window is from the viewer, the stronger the lines have to be. Also the stronger the light the broader the leads. E.g. brother-in-law in Australia never uses less than 3/8 inch, because anything less disappears in the strong light there. A question arises in my mind as to whether you have thought of having an armature for such a large window. It would add greater strength than just sitting one panel on top of another. This latter method has lead to a large number of windows collapsing at the bottom due to the weight above. An armature will take the weight of each panel and need not be any more obtrusive than "overlapped" panels. Steve n message <1999Nov4.143222.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Hello, >Can someone help me out here? >I am doing four panels, each approx. 66"x50". They will be stacked on top of >each other in one continuous design. My question.... >What should the average size lead be? How many different sizes of lead >should I use? ( I want to use different size leads!) How many different >sizes would be too many? >I have thought about using up to 1/2" on some of the bigger elements in the >design, and as small as 1/8" in the more detailed work, with 4 other sizes in >between. Any suggestions? >Thanks in advance! > >Kauriee Wood >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 13:09:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Various Lead sizes Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:18:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.31832.0> References: <<1999Nov4.143222.0>> Precedence: bulk Whatever looks best for the design. I often break artist's charcoal sticks to the appropriate length for the lead width. Quickly sketch some lead lines using the charcoal on it's side so it gives the width you want to try out. Step back and see if the line width works for the design. I keep rolls of "table cover" paper around for this purpose. (Sold at most party and restaurant supply stores). I used to be able to get newsprint roll ends from the local newspaper for almost nothing. But now they've moved their printing to a big printer down south and I can't get them any more. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 6:32 AM Subject: Various Lead sizes > Hello, > Can someone help me out here? > I am doing four panels, each approx. 66"x50". They will be stacked on top of > each other in one continuous design. My question.... > What should the average size lead be? How many different sizes of lead > should I use? ( I want to use different size leads!) How many different > sizes would be too many? > I have thought about using up to 1/2" on some of the bigger elements in the > design, and as small as 1/8" in the more detailed work, with 4 other sizes in > between. Any suggestions? > Thanks in advance! > > Kauriee Wood > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 13:16:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Resperiator Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:09:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.397.0> References: <<1999Nov3.173757.0>> Precedence: bulk Check under "Safety Equipment" in your yellow pages. Anyone listed there be able to answer questions about ratings, comfort, designs available, etc. And they carry exactly what you want. As with anything, there are always bad safety equipment suppliers. That is why I put in brackets. Most bad safety equipment suppliers get sued pretty quick and disappear, but you never know. So check around if you are not comfortable with the answers you are getting. Personally, I use a "positive air flow" type filter with disposable hoods (air is forced through the filter by a little battery operated unit attached to a belt then through a hose attached to a hood around your face). About the only type that works with a beard. Of course "Kathy" probably does not have this problem :-). Made by Racal. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 7:37 PM Subject: Resperiator > Hi All, > > Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for > lead and flux. > I've checked the local automotive places, but I don't think they have > anything to offer that really works for what I need. I need a quality > one. I'll be using it at work and at home. I believe I've gone without > one long enough. > > Thanks in advance, > > Kathy > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 13:27:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:40:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: "Kathe R. Mc Donald" To: "'Shari'" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Las Vegas show dates? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:43:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.74311.0> Organization: SOM - Office of Curricular Support Precedence: bulk Viva! Glass Vegas Expo is March 9-12 at the Cashman Convention Center. www.glasscraftexpo.com for more info. -----Original Message----- From: Shari [SMTP:shigbee@mtcon.net] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 11:55 AM To: Bungi Subject: Las Vegas show dates? Does anyone know the dates of the Las Vegas glass show? I tried to look it up on the IGGA page but got bounced... Thanks, Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 13:30:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:40:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Pamela Takacs" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Web site list Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:40:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.34018.0> References: <<1999Nov4.191425.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.bungi.com/ Not sure what you are looking for, but this is the basic home page on the bungi server. When I checked it just now, it appeared to be a bit out of date and had some link problems. The basic information is there though. Another place to look is: http://www.igga.org/bungi.htm . Not actually a home page, just some descriptions, the links and stuff. This seems to be where many people find bungi from the link on the main IGGA page http://www.igga.org/ . It also contains information about the IGGA (International Guild of Glass Artists) online news memo. IGGA is not directly related to bungi, just something a lot of us belong to. As a member of the IGGA Web Committee I intend to separate these pieces of information onto different pages once some other issues are resolved. In the mean time, I don't want anyone to get confused and think they are one and the same. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Takacs To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 9:14 PM Subject: Web site list > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01BF2722.B77913C0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Is there a main home page for this list? > > ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01BF2722.B77913C0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
Is there a main = > home page for=20 > this list?
> > ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01BF2722.B77913C0-- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 13:32:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlasLdy From: GlasLdy@aol.com To: shigbee@mtcon.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Las Vegas show dates? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:40:34 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov5.194034.0> Precedence: bulk I just received a post card yesterday: Viva! Glass Vegas Glass Craft Expo 2000 March 9-12, 2000 Las Vegas, Nv Cashman Convention Center 800-217-4527 fax 702-734-0636 www.glasscraftexpo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 13:50:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:34:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Shari" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Las Vegas show dates? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:32:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.43230.0> Precedence: bulk Check: http://www.glasscraftexpo.com/ The dates of Expo 2000 are March 9-12, 2000. See you there. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 14:19:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:47:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Shari" , glass Subject: Re: Las Vegas show dates? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:45:35 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Las Vegas show dates?" on Nov 5, 10:55, "Shari" writes:] > Does anyone know the dates of the Las Vegas glass show? I tried to look it > up on the IGGA page but got bounced... Yes, it's March 9-12 -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 14:32:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:32:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Resperiator Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 16:53:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991105165300.008f1110@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk >Paint stores just don't know! >get proper safety advice. >Steve if you get a good lab supplier to the science lab community and specify what you are looking for they can provide the right equipment....Fischer scientific and Lab Safety come to mind, bu there are plenty of others. Call a secretary at one of the labs local to you and see who they reccomend. (hospital labs, research labs,etc.) i got one from fisher I think, called and stated the type of fumes and thier rep advised (lead, solder, flux and hot glass. Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 15:24:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:44:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 16:44:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.11448.0> References: <<1999Nov5.05947.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk mschatee@juno.com wrote: > > I personally use white irridized glass for my angel wings. Cherubs > should look the same. I've made lots of angels and when the light hits > those wings they look so nice. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass actually now that i think of it, craquel (alligator skin glass), would also look pretty cool. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 15:26:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:10:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Table height Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:11:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.61157.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, Thanks for all the responses to the music question ... very interesting responses. Personally, when there is music on, my mind automagically devotes a substantial portion of my limited mental capacity to the music (probably has something to do with the fact I'm a musician) and since I'm the original authentic genuine "can't be trusted with a screwdriver" intellectual type and always seem to have the pedal to the metal thoughtwise with my built-in random generator regularly clicking in ... so I'm easily distracted ... just to mention that I'm kind of a clumsy big bear with tools ... I turn the music off in the workshop when I'm doing anything that can cut or burn . Afraid I might hurt myself. (its happened before even w/o distractions). I saw I'm not alone in this either, kind of reassuring . Now at design time ... its another story ... then I like everything and anything ... from Bach to the Beatles to Beethoven to Brooks and Dunn to whatever I'm in the mood for. I like just about everything ... well ... almost anyway. Anyway .... Now I have another question ... what is the height of your *favorite* work table for cutting glass and/or assembling/soldering and/or designing? Also, are you a shorty or just your average bear or NFL offensive lineman sized (makes a difference in the table height you prefer). I'm going to make some work tables for my "shop" ... and was curious as to what table height others like. I'm 6 foot tall, just your average bear (for a man that is ). Regards to all ... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 18:00:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:01:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: URGENT...More Charges Pending for Email Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:00:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.908.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: rercoli@prodigy.net To: PoulinA Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 2:23 PM Subject: Fw: URGENT...More Charges Pending for Email Please take a minute to read this. Thanks Robert Ercoli Something to think about. Extra Costs to all of us using Email ... > > > TOLL CHARGE FOR EMAIL. CNN has reported that within the next two weeks > Congress is going to vote on allowing telephone companies to CHARGE A TOLL > FEE for Internet access. Translation: Every time we send a long distance > e-mail we will receive a long distance charge. This will get costly. > > Please visit the following web site and file a complaint. Complain to your > Congressperson. We can't allow this to pass! The following address will > allow you to send an e-mail on this subject DIRECTLY to your Congressperson. > http://www.house.gov/writerep > > Pass this on to your friends. It is urgent! I hope all of you will pass > this on to all your friends and family. We should ALL have an interest in > this one. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. IN ADDITION, the last few months have > revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting > to quietly push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. > > Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bill > email users out of "alternate postage fees". Bill 602P will permit the > Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by > billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be > billed in turn by the ISP. Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working > without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. > > The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost revenue due to the > proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. > You may have noticed their recent ad campaign, "There is nothing like a > letter". Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of email per day > in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents > per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond their regular > Internet costs. Note that > this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service for a service > they do not even provide. > > The whole point of the Internet is democracy and non-interference. If the > federal government is permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a > surcharge to email, who knows where it will end. You are already paying an > exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency. It > currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from New York to > Buffalo. If the U.S. PostalService is allowed to tinker with email, it will > mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. > > One congressman, Tony Schnell(r) has even suggested a "twenty to forty dollar > per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the > government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major newspapers > have ignored the story, the only exception being the Washingtonian which > called the idea of email surcharge "a useful concept who's time has > come"(March 6th, 1999) Editorial. > > Don't sit by and watch your freedoms erode away! Send this e-mail to > EVERYONE on your list TODAY, and tell all your friends and relatives > to write to their congressman and say "No!" to Bill 602P. It will only take > a few moments of your time, and could very well be instrumental in killing a > bill we don't want. > > PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO USES EMAIL > REMEMBER THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES THAT EFFECT > ALL OF US ONLINE LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD NOW, NOT AFTER. > > > Gertrude A. Gibson > Secretary > GSIA, Posner Hall 255 > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 > Office: (412) 268-1337 > Fax: (412) 268-7357 > ggibson@cyrus.andrew.cmu.edu > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 18:29:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:05:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:04:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.9415.0> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk One of the most surprising to me was one time when I finally lost patience. I told the customer (intended very sarcastically): "Well maybe you should try Walmart. They have very nice items I think may be more in your price range." The problem was: The customer appeared to totally miss the sarcasm. They thanked me profusely for being so helpful and understanding and went happily on their way. Or maybe they were being sarcastic back and they were so good at it I didn't get it myself ? :-) Either way, I ended up laughing so hard my partner had to take care of the customers herself for a while. Ever since, I have had the Philosophy: "Smile a lot, be friendly, and play with their minds." You might as well turn obnoxious customers into free entertainment :-) "All progress is based upon a universal innate desire on the part of every organism to live beyond its income" Samuel Butler from Note Books 1912 Holtenwood Gallery - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/gallery.htm Tim Atwood - Glass and Wood - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm Jewelry by Adriana - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/adriana.htm Computing Solutions Canada - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/csc.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 20:02:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:11:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass Craft Expo Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:06:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.17651.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Thanks for the info about the Las Vegas show in March. However, the webpage wasn't very helpful for anyone who might be looking for exhibition hall booth info (contact name, too), email addy, or telephone number for Las Vegas Management. Does anyone have that information? Sorry if it has already been posted and I too quickly deleted it. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 20:33:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:42:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: ezbongo2@pacbell.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Table height Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:40:40 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov6.34040.0> Precedence: bulk Hello to all, I've been leading glass for about twentyfive years now, and the height thing is definetly related to height and arm length, as well as the condition of your back. For me the table height is most comfortable when the top hits me right in the center of the hop joint. If a person is taller, then his arms are longer, and I just can't figure how that enters into the equation. Anne Stained Glass by Anne Anson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 21:51:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:27:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!marybdaily From: "Mary B" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Workshop suggestions Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 23:26:52 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov6.42652.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for suggestions. I will certainly consider your advice when planning my workspace. MaryBinVA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 22:03:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:32:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:30:45 Message-ID: <199911060430.VAA19875@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:49:21 -0500, Soraya wrote: >rom that they would look at stained glass works and bring up plastic > > >They probably eat at one of several restaurants that have 'plastic' stained >glass (i.e. Applebee's, Friday's, etc etc etc) or have purchased inexpensive >sun catchers that are made of this stuff. When I brought up the 'plastic' quote it happened to me like this: Lady: (tap tap tap) Yep, that's what I thought, plastic! Me: Excuse me maam, but it's glass. It may sound like plastic when tapped, but it's really glass. Lady: No. It's definitely plastic. How can you sell it as stained glass? That's against the law! Me: No maam, really it's glass. I can show you the scars on my hands if you like. Lady: Humpf! And off she went.. no loss. She wouldn't buy any glass; she prob owns the plastic and didn't want to be shown up or something. And yeah, I was burned out by the experience. I normally have a sense of humor but apparently not when I show my work. I try not to be touchy, but it's like saying "Gosh, that's an ugly little boy you got there, lady!" Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 5 22:24:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:20:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Casimir Glass Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:18:40 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anyone know of a source for casimir glass? My supplier stopped carrying the pale seedy blue I need to complete my project. All I need is enough for 5 small pieces..!!.. Any of you have any socked away? I'll buy it from you. I bought some 3342 code today and it's too blue. The one I need is the dull light blue. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 05:23:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:11:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: NG How to Gain Business 101pt.2 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:08:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.2087.0> References: <<1999Nov5.05114.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk I remember this story and the wonderful dialogue it created. I'm thrilled to hear follow ups and love this one. Thanks for the great update. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 4:51 PM Subject: NG How to Gain Business 101pt.2 > Hey remember last spring when I started the thread about the business > owner down on Long Island that was so rude to me that I swore I would > never do business with him. Then we all discussed the pros and cons of > businesses. > So I had to write and tell you about today. Now let me premise it with, > I don't have a lot of experience with different retail stores because of > where I live there is only one stained glass supplier within an hour in > any direction. So I had to go to a conference in ALbany, New York. > While I was there I opened the yellow pages and looked up stained glass. > I found a retail store in Scotia, NY called A Stain in the Glass (pretty > catchy huh?). I had to go and I did. Let me say the owner > couldn't have been nicer. Now remember last spring I begged the owner to > buy one of his patterns and he refused unless I took his class, even > though I explained that I was in town visiting from 5 hours away. Anyway > I was admiring something he made and he told me how to make it and > offered to give me , not sell ....give me, the pattern if I wanted it. > Now to me that guy won me over instantly. Needless to say I shopped and > shopped and shopped, had a great time, bought lots of stuff and will > definately go back whenever possible. > > So I just had to sing his praises and thank him for his kindness and > patience with me. Now this is HOW TO GAIN BUSINESS 101. > > Back to lurking now, > Caren > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 05:59:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:56:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 07:55:57 -0500 Message-ID: <199911061254.HAA02695@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk on this day you wrote: >I try not to be touchy, but it's like saying "Gosh, that's an ugly little >boy you got there, >lady!" Yup, our work is like our kids, right? Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 09:31:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:52:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nesbeonline.com!rcollin1 From: Bob Collins To: suzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:50:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov6.6503.0> References: <<199911061254.HAA02695@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Organization: CSC, Inc. Precedence: bulk suzy wrote: > > on this day you wrote: I'm not one to let negative comments go by, just my Irish nature. One comment when they say, "thats expensive". So is Plasma! Another one. A woman said her husband did stainedglass, and did much nicer work than she saw here. I've used some negative sales, Yes lady see that PolarBear, worst looking thjing I've ever done. Guess what she bought it!!! I guess her husband could do that bad of work. Hehehe! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 13:08:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:04:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: suzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 08:54:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov6.05426.0> References: <<199911061254.HAA02695@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy wrote: > > on this day you wrote: > > >I try not to be touchy, but it's like saying "Gosh, that's an ugly little > >boy you got there, > >lady!" > > Yup, our work is like our kids, right? > Suzanne > > ---- > hope I dont step on any toes here but this is why I struggle with people who are a little "too" inveseted in their pets. I have kept in touch off and on over the years wiht the woman who taught me to ride (horses). over the years this woman has gotten more and more against people and more and more into her animals....when my daughter was born I sent her a picture and her reply was "well, she's cute, for a kid"....now my dog, when I had sent her THOSE pictrues a couple of years previous, she gushed over THOSE. I havent really felt like staying in touch with her after that, not mad, just disgusted...I just thought that is a really twisted view of the world.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 13:11:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:10:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Glenna Rand" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Casimir Glass Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:07:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov6.2733.0> Precedence: bulk >>Does anyone know of a source for casimir glass?<< Yes, Houston Stained Glass Supply. They seem to carry the full line. Great glass. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 13:26:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:05:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: Subject: RE: Please participate in my poll Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:08:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov5.12812.0> Precedence: bulk I think of gold. Kira ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 14:07:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:09:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlasLdy From: GlasLdy@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com, GreerStudios@compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Viva! Glass Vegas! #s Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:52:35 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov6.195235.0> Precedence: bulk this is a repeat -- I just received a post card yesterday: Viva! Glass Vegas Glass Craft Expo 2000 March 9-12, 2000 Las Vegas, Nv Cashman Convention Center 800-217-4527 fax 702-734-0636 www.glasscraftexpo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 14:21:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:09:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!clockdoc From: clockdoc@prodigy.net ((Dave)) To: Kathy , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Resperiator Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:42:15 GMT Message-ID: <1999Nov6.194215.0> References: <<1999Nov3.173757.0>> Precedence: bulk Another good place to check is at welding supply outlets, they carry = masks specifically designed for metal fumes. Dave Lindquist On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:37:57 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for >lead and flux. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 14:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:09:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Pawel? -Casimir Glass Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov6.83911.0> Precedence: bulk Maybe Pawel in Poland has a lead on this... Good luck! ~ Dani Message text written by Glenna Rand >Hi all, Does anyone know of a source for casimir glass? My supplier stopped carrying the pale seedy blue I need to complete my project. All I need is enough for 5 small pieces..!!.. Any of you have any socked away? I'll buy it from you. I bought some 3342 code today and it's too blue. The one I need is the dull light blue. < ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 15:13:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:07:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: glass saw Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov6.181334.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01BF2882.A3C4B3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone who owns a taurus 2 saw have had any trouble with the blades = snapping?any idea what causes it/please let me know. dori www.doribee.com ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01BF2882.A3C4B3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01BF2882.A3C4B3A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 16:46:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:38:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Bob Duchesneau" , glass Subject: Re: Casimir Glass Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:36:30 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Casimir Glass" on Nov 6, 10:07, "Bob Duchesneau" writes:] > >>Does anyone know of a source for casimir glass?<< > > Yes, Houston Stained Glass Supply. They seem to carry the full line. Great > glass. > Thanks everyone, I'll give them a try! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 19:37:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: shigbee@mtcon.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Las Vegas show dates? Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:34:10 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov7.23410.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/5/99 12:56:45 PM Central Standard Time, shigbee@mtcon.net writes: << Does anyone know the dates of the Las Vegas glass show? I tried to look it up on the IGGA page but got bounced... Thanks, Shari in SLC >> I just got the schedule today, it begins on Thursday March 9 and runs through Sunday. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 6 20:37:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:36:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Paul Stankard Video Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:33:48 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov7.33348.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/6/99 12:31:34 PM Central Standard Time, marybdaily@hotmail.com writes: << Were you lucky yester to get away from work? How were the lectures? Warning: This is really long! >>I was very lucky despite some rather large problems at work yesterday, to sneak out and see both Paul Stankard and Dale Chihuly speak at SOFA in Chicago. Paul Stankard was wonderfully down to earth and humble! There was a booth with many of his paperweights and the work was so incredible. He says that he continually tries to improve and refine his techniques and that now his challenge is to perfect the leaf veining he is doing and to even show INSECT DAMAGE, like tiny holes in the leaves. He says with the ants that he puts on the leafs, they are extremely difficult to keep intact when encasing in the clear glass. When asked about his mistakes, he says he is obsessive about his work and 30-40% of the work ends up as mistakes. He also talked about how he grows creatively-he reads and writes poetry! He recited one of his poems, very nature oriented of course. Three of his children assist him in his workshop (3000 sq. ft) and he had to hire a psychologist to come in and help his children improve how they work together! Dale Chihuly was 15 minutes late to his lecture and showed slides of his most recent major installation in Jerusalem. It has 46 foot tall towers of blue glass, incredible glass. But he also did an ice wall importing these huge blocks of ice from Alaska that cost 5K a block. Then he backlit the ice. He also acknowledged he uses plastic in some of his installations where the weight of the glass would be a factor. He said that even accomplished glass artists have not been able to tell it was plastic from three feet away. And the impression I came away with from both lectures is that glass artists must be exhibitionists! Both guys had slides or pictures of themselves in their lectures of them in the buff! Paul in a Japanese or Chinese bath and Dale in a bathtub! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 05:16:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 04:30:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass saw Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:27:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov7.122725.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/6/99 6:14:45 PM, d.budet@worldnet.att.net writes: >has anyone who owns a taurus 2 saw have had any trouble with the blades >snapping?any idea what causes it/please let me know. Been there, done that, didn't get hurt, thank God! I forget who told a real horror story a while back about someone breaking a blade while trying to cut several layers of glass at once and having the thing go through their hand. Usually it happens when the blade's getting old and dull, and you get impatient because it's not cutting as fast as it used to and try to compensate by pushing just a bit too hard on the glass. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 06:45:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:34:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: "Pamela Dimitrovich" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass saw Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:40:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.104049.0> References: <<001e01bf28b8$5d3f8280$b2c545d1@4591>> Precedence: bulk thanks for your letter,i've done all those things,,i'll do them again when i put on the new blade.dori ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 07:15:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:52:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: glass saw Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:55:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.105513.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF290E.91534E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks to all of you nice people who have given answers to my saw = problem.i hope to be ever more carefull with this new blade i'm putting = in today.if it breaks off goes the saw to the factory! dori www.doribee.com ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF290E.91534E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks to all of you nice people who have given = answers to my=20 saw problem.i hope to be ever more carefull with this new blade i'm = putting in=20 today.if it breaks off goes the saw to the factory!
dori
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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF290E.91534E20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 07:18:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:38:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: "Sandy Gustafson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass saw Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:45:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.104514.0> References: <<03c901bf28b4$18d06c80$4c112cc7@nettally.com>> Precedence: bulk hi sandy,that is about what happened to me.i guess i'll try with this new blade and if it happens again i'll call them and send the machine in.did your work surface seem to be a little warped?maybe that has something to do with it,i don't know. dori www.doribee.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 07:29:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:53:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: "Stained Glass Lamps" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass saw Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:50:28 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.105028.0> References: <<000401bf28b6$9420ce00$e67017d0@stainedglass3d>> Precedence: bulk thanks arkie and mary.i am going to be very watchfull with this new blade.they are expensive! dori www.doribee.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 07:41:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:43:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:49:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.10496.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BF290D.B6AA7000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks arkie and mary;i'm going to be real watchfull with this new = blade,they are expensive! dori www.doribee.com ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BF290D.B6AA7000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks arkie and mary;i'm going to be real watchfull = with this=20 new blade,they are expensive!
dori
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------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BF290D.B6AA7000-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 07:49:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:19:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: A little E-Tour Statistics Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:19:06 -0000 Message-ID: <199911071526.PAA12984@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, In having been press-ganged into writing a little article for the Village Magazine about "The E-Tour", I had cause to work out some figures. During the 8 weeks I spent with you, I have travelled a total of 35,000 miles, crossed USA four times, ended up in St.Louis, Missiouri 6 times, been 2 times to Canada and in total taken about 1200 photographs. I am now working like mad to save up to have all the photos developed and to earn back the US Dollars 3000 I spent in one way or another (yeah, yeah, I know.... a chunk was for the kiln and the excess luggage fee I had to pay on it. This fee was nevertheless far cheaper than it would have been, had I had it shipped! So it was worth a bruised and aching back!!). So my relative silence is due to work, work and more work!!! Some of the photographs have already been developed, so "soon" you should look out for the UK postmark , dropping through your mailbox............ ;-> (probably after Christmas.... Sigh.... have THAT to face also :-< ) Little "Meric Monterey" is being collected NEXT weekend!! He will be 2 days short of 8 weeks then. Should I make another Toby 'n Meric T-shirt?? Vic M. I know I owe you one.... What says you?? Nostalgically...... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 08:04:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:19:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: UK glass news site Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:19:06 -0000 Message-ID: <199911071526.PAA12987@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello all UK Bungians ! A special thanks to Steve Richards, who found this new site. At first, I thought this was a new site penned by "The Supplier >From Hell" (...and no please, don't ask!), but on further diving into the site and using my powers of deduction (huh?!), I discovered that this site has been created by Broadland Stained Glass, located in Great Yarmouth in Norfolk UK.. Nice one! I had some correspondence with them earlier on in the year, but in the excitement of "The E-Tour", I put them on the back-burner. I have bookmarked them and intend to have a closer look in the near future. Must run! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hello all UK bungians. > I have just stumbled across a site devoted to UK news, etc. > > http://www.stainedglassnews.co.uk/ > > It is sometimes a bit slow in loading its pages, but worth a look. I > don't know who is running it, as there is no ownership statement. I > have my suspicions, but I wish the owners would stand up and name > themselves. > > It might become a good site if people send information to them. > > Steve > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 08:20:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:01:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Art vs Craft..solved at last???? Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:01:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.6128.0> Precedence: bulk St Francis of Assisi explains the creative process this way: "the person who works with their hands only is a laborer; the person who works with their hands and head is a craftperson; the person who works with their hands, head and their heart is an artist." Alittle aspiration I found, that, I thought would be appreciated here. Jill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 09:21:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:12:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: jazzykid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art vs Craft..solved at last???? Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.71043.0> References: <<1999Nov7.6128.0>> Precedence: bulk jazzykid wrote: > St Francis of Assisi explains the creative process this way: > > "the person who works with their hands only is a laborer; the person who > works with their hands and head is a craftperson; the person who works with > their hands, head and their heart is an artist." > ...and St Francis was for the birds! best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 12:27:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:15:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NG How to Gain Business 101pt.2 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 15:08:47 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov7.20847.0> References: <<199911061251.HAA02520@uz.comcat.com>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I did go to Rainbow Glass in Bristol. It was great there, I was like a kid in a candy store. Spent lots of time and money there. It wasn't too far from where my friend lives and it was nice because he picked out glass that I wouldn't have. Now he'll have what he wants instead of me second guessing. Thanks for the referral. By the way all the sales people there were terrific too. Next time I go back to Pennsylvannia I'll stop in there again. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 12:57:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:23:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: A little E-Tour Statistics Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:22:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.102246.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >and to earn back the US Dollars 3000 I spent in one = way or another (yeah, yeah, I know.... a chunk was for the kiln and = the excess luggage fee I had to pay on it. This fee was = nevertheless far cheaper than it would have been, had I had it = shipped!< And don't forget the folks who helped pay your way over here, too, dear heart. Wish someone = would make me a comparable offer.... I would sure do some glass painting workshops for a fee!! ;-) Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 13:23:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:24:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Intrastar List" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG: Woodwork List ? Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.42141.0> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Anybody know of any listservers for general woodworking? Something similar to these wonderful glass lists. And something general - I found several wood turning lists, but the only time I do wood turning is when I need something for a more general project (i.e.: a turned knobs for a door, etc.). "I Suffer Occasional Delusions of Adequacy." Tim Atwood - Glass and Wood http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 13:35:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:48:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA Booth at Las Vegas Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:15:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.71522.0> Precedence: bulk If you need volunteers, I am planning on going again this year. Let me know. cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 7 14:30:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:02:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: "Sandy Gustafson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass saw Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:09:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.18918.0> References: <<049f01bf294e$692e67a0$4c112cc7@nettally.com>> Precedence: bulk hi sandy; shortly after your message i received a message from gemini,they are going to call me next week.my blade didn't break in 2 pieces,it just snapped,it scared the living daylights out of me when it did!that can be dangerous.lets wait and see what they say.the problem is that i am in puerto rico and they are in california and shipping the saw there and back will cost me a fortune!thanks. dori www.doribee.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 07:19:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:04:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Tim Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Woodwork List ? Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:31:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.143116.0> References: <<1999Nov7.42141.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Tim, I'm Tom and I also do woodwork along with my stained glass hobby. Nice to meet you. If you check out http://www.scrollsaw.com/wwlinks.htm I think you will find just about every kind of wood working list and/or link to keep you happy for a very long time. ;)) Hope this helps you out. Tom Subject: NG: Woodwork List ? : Anybody know of any listservers for general woodworking? Something similar : to these wonderful glass lists. And something general - I found several : wood turning lists, but the only time I do wood turning is when I need : something for a more general project (i.e.: a turned knobs for a door, : etc.). : : "I Suffer Occasional Delusions of Adequacy." : Tim Atwood - Glass and Wood : http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 07:28:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:39:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usit.net!engraver From: "H. WHITED ENGRAVING" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Kiln Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 05:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.05356.0> Precedence: bulk I will be purchasing first kiln for xmas. Does anyone have any suggestions of which one to purchase??? Does anyone have any suggestions of what I should be looking for in a kiln. There are 3 companies Skutt, Evenheat and Paragon all offering a beginner type kiln. They all look like they have the same features and are priced about the same. It is quite confussing. Also I will be self taught we live in the country in the middle of no where. Do you have any suggestions of books to purchase to help me get started??? Nothing like starting at the rock bottom. At least there is no where to go but up... Thanks for your time! Edna Mts. of VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 07:55:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:07:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: International glass magazines Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:08:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.15837.0> Organization: stainedglassdesign.com Precedence: bulk Hello fellow bungian's I am currently working on a list of magazines (for the IGGA magazine)that may interest stained glass artist. I have comprised several from the US but I do not have any oversea's magazines. Could those of you that live overseas let me know what magazines you read. Please send me the address, phone number, approximate cost of magazine,emails and urls. Any help will be appreciated. Sue at stepsue@ezl.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 08:47:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:52:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass saw Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:53:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.35338.0> References: <<1999Nov7.122725.0>> Precedence: bulk When I first got my saw a blade snapped for apparently no reason. I called Gemini, they called me back so it would be on their dime. They sent me a new blade and told me to call when it arrived. Once again they called me back. They talked me through the installation, told me to run it for a period of time checking the saw to see if it got hot etc... They called me back to check on it. I think they were prepared to replace the saw. They were very nice and I was very impressed with the customer service. I didnt see your original post as to what happened, but I'd call them. Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 09:07:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:00:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Used beveling equipment Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:58:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov7.235810.0> Precedence: bulk I have some info and pics of used old time beveling equipment available for sale in Illinois. Consists of horizontal rougher, stone smoother and upright pumace and felt wheels. To far away for me to be interested. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 09:28:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:50:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: results of my poll Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 08:56:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.05627.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk 52 people responded, thank you very much. whispy white 19 and 50% of those saying irridized clear textured and irridized 10 pink 5 gold 2 and one for each of these colors: flesh, grey, light blue, eggshell, cream with white, silver, pink with pale green and blue, opalescent with silver glitter, cream with white whisps, red, and gold white. Thank you again, Shirely B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 09:58:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:53:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Disheartening news Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:00:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.1049.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi gang, I was at Walmart the other day. Looking at their christmas stuff and guess what I found? Stained glass angels. The pattern that you buy the filigree wings for. They were selling them for $4.99. They were approx. 8 inches high. And the glass was good quality. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 10:16:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:54:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass question Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:02:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.1233.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi group, Does anybody else have a tough time cutting Spectrum irridized white(whispy?) glass or is it just me? Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 11:50:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:53:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "H. WHITED ENGRAVING" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kiln Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:38:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.83833.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "H. WHITED ENGRAVING" >I will be purchasing first kiln for xmas. Does anyone have any suggestions of which one to purchase??? Does anyone have any suggestions of what I should be looking for in a kiln. There are 3 companies Skutt, Evenheat and Paragon all offering a beginner type kiln.< Also, check out Centre de Verre's Jen-Ken kilns.... their prices are good and I've heard the service is, too. We have Skutt, Duncan, and custom-built.... and I have a soft spot in my heart for that little Paragon cutie I just tested! For the work we do, size of kiln shelf and speed of firing are the top priorities. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 12:41:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:00:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: "H. WHITED ENGRAVING" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Kiln Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.9217.0> References: <<1999Nov8.05356.0>> Precedence: bulk "H. WHITED ENGRAVING" wrote: > Do you have any suggestions of books > to purchase to help me get started [with fusing]? I think this list contains all the books currently in print. The comments are mine: Cummings, Keith. Techniques of Kiln-Formed Glass. Somewhat academic in tone, with an excellent historical overview and a solid discussion of techniques that can be used for various effects. Not really a tutorial, more of a survey. Excellent illustrations. Eberle, Bettina. Creative Glass Techniques: Fusing, Painting, Lampwork. Translated from German. Project-oriented, but lacking resources information and with some technical errors. Good information on glass painting, but limited fusing information and very sketching lampworking info. Kervin, Jim and Fenton, Dan. Pate de Verre and Kiln Casting of Glass. Most comprehensive tutorial on pate de verre and kiln casting available. Solid information on modeling, mold construction, casting techniques, kiln procedures, and safety. Lundstrom, Boyce. Kiln Firing Glass: Glass Fusing Book One. An excellent introduction to glass fusing and slumping, with good technical information and lots of worthwhile pictures. The book to buy if you're only buying one. Lundstrom, Boyce. Advanced Fusing Techniques: Glass Fusing Book Two. Not as well put together as Lundstrom's first book, but still a solid tutorial on more advanced fusing and slumping techniques. Lundstrom, Boyce. Glass Casting and Moldmaking: Glass Fusing Book Three. An excellent summary of pate de verre, sand casting, lost wax casting, and making fiber molds. Reynolds, Gil. The Fused Glass Handbook. Good cross section of techniques, projects, and fusing information. Not as well organized as the Lundstrom series, but still worth reading. The overall best book I've seen is Shar Moorman's Warm Glass, but it's out of print and hard to find. As for kilns, from your writeup it looks like you're considering the Evenheat Hot Box 6, the Paragon Quickfire 6, and the Skutt Pinto. Both Paragon and Evenheat have much broader glass kiln lines (and a greater installed glass fusing customer base) than does Skutt, but I don't have first hand experience with any of these small kilns. They're pretty muchl made for small projects like jewelry and such -- if you want to make bowls, plates, and sculpture you'll need to opt for a bigger (and more expensive) kiln. If you go that route, there are several other manufacturers to look at: Jen-Ken, L&L, and Euclid all come to mind, but there are others. Hope this helps. Brad Walker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 12:44:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:01:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Calderesque mobiles anyone? Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.85934.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone made any Calderesque mobiles--small or large--using just cut glass, with a hole for the hanging wire--or attached the pieces to one another using an adhesive rather than foil or came? Results? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 14:36:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:01:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Calderesque mobiles anyone? Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.85934.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone made any Calderesque mobiles--small or large--using just cut glass, with a hole for the hanging wire--or attached the pieces to one another using an adhesive rather than foil or came? Results? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 14:37:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:00:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: "H. WHITED ENGRAVING" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Kiln Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.9217.0> References: <<1999Nov8.05356.0>> Precedence: bulk "H. WHITED ENGRAVING" wrote: > Do you have any suggestions of books > to purchase to help me get started [with fusing]? I think this list contains all the books currently in print. The comments are mine: Cummings, Keith. Techniques of Kiln-Formed Glass. Somewhat academic in tone, with an excellent historical overview and a solid discussion of techniques that can be used for various effects. Not really a tutorial, more of a survey. Excellent illustrations. Eberle, Bettina. Creative Glass Techniques: Fusing, Painting, Lampwork. Translated from German. Project-oriented, but lacking resources information and with some technical errors. Good information on glass painting, but limited fusing information and very sketching lampworking info. Kervin, Jim and Fenton, Dan. Pate de Verre and Kiln Casting of Glass. Most comprehensive tutorial on pate de verre and kiln casting available. Solid information on modeling, mold construction, casting techniques, kiln procedures, and safety. Lundstrom, Boyce. Kiln Firing Glass: Glass Fusing Book One. An excellent introduction to glass fusing and slumping, with good technical information and lots of worthwhile pictures. The book to buy if you're only buying one. Lundstrom, Boyce. Advanced Fusing Techniques: Glass Fusing Book Two. Not as well put together as Lundstrom's first book, but still a solid tutorial on more advanced fusing and slumping techniques. Lundstrom, Boyce. Glass Casting and Moldmaking: Glass Fusing Book Three. An excellent summary of pate de verre, sand casting, lost wax casting, and making fiber molds. Reynolds, Gil. The Fused Glass Handbook. Good cross section of techniques, projects, and fusing information. Not as well organized as the Lundstrom series, but still worth reading. The overall best book I've seen is Shar Moorman's Warm Glass, but it's out of print and hard to find. As for kilns, from your writeup it looks like you're considering the Evenheat Hot Box 6, the Paragon Quickfire 6, and the Skutt Pinto. Both Paragon and Evenheat have much broader glass kiln lines (and a greater installed glass fusing customer base) than does Skutt, but I don't have first hand experience with any of these small kilns. They're pretty muchl made for small projects like jewelry and such -- if you want to make bowls, plates, and sculpture you'll need to opt for a bigger (and more expensive) kiln. If you go that route, there are several other manufacturers to look at: Jen-Ken, L&L, and Euclid all come to mind, but there are others. Hope this helps. Brad Walker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 14:54:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:25:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Shirley Balloch" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Disheartening news Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.92036.0> References: <<1999Nov8.1049.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley, Most likely the glass is from China. Lately the Chinese have been trying to imitate the great glass that has been made for decades in the US and Europe. The Chinese stained glass is, in my opinion, inferior to US glass just as their metals are inferior to US metals. China is making their own imitations of US glass, just look at some of the Tiffany style lamps that sell for around $150 or so. You won't like what you see, but to the totally unaware US consumer, it looks like a great deal for the price. However, at the glass studio I frequent and buy from, they won't even bother repairing the Chinese imitation Tiffany style lamps made out of Chinese metals, solder, and glass. They have tried to repair them in the past, but the solder would loosen down the line and basically the whole shade would have fallen apart. I think we who do stained glass need to "educate" the public to tell them that when they think they are getting such a good buy, it's really a cheap foreign imitation and not the real thing like we work with. Tom : Hi gang, : I was at Walmart the other day. Looking at their christmas stuff and : guess what I found? : Stained glass angels. The pattern that you buy the filigree wings for. : They were selling them for $4.99. They were approx. 8 inches high. And : the glass was good quality. : Shirley B : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 15:05:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:49:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: Subject: RE: Intl. Glass Magazines Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.22485.0> Precedence: bulk Sue, Below is a brief description (edited) of the information "This Side Up" Magazine sent me when I requested information. It, the magazine, is printed in English and well worth a look. They also do by their word and send you a FREE copy. As far as Spain is concerned, there is a Magazine called "Arte y Ocio" (Art and Leisure), printed only in Spainsh. It is run by professionals in the art and crafts industry so it has alot of different things. Some stained glass but very little, lots of ceramics, art work, and jewerly. But deifnately not just stained glass. If you are interested let me know and I will get the information on it for you. Hoped this has helped! Kira Madrid This Side Up! magazine is published once every three months. A subscription for one year (four issues including shipping) costs Hfl 85,- Dutch Guilders, which amounts to about $ 43,- US Dollar. You can pay by VISA or MASTERCARD. If you want to subscribe to This Side Up! please send us your name, complete address, credit-card number (+ exp. date) and signature. Letters can be sent to this address: This Side Up! Magazine Oostrikkerstraat 34 A NL - 5595 AE LEENDE The Netherlands Or, in case you just ran out of stamps, you can send a fax message containing all necessary info to this number: +31 40 206 27 40 If you have never seen the inside of a This Side Up! issue before, you might still be considering to try before you buy, in which case all you have to do is send us your postal address together with a note saying you want to try This Side Up! magazine. When we have received your address we will send you a free trial issue as soon as we can! If there is any more you might want to know about worldwide availability, subscribing, advertising space and rates or whatever about This Side Up! magazine, we'll be happy to inform you. Thijs van Gerwen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 15:05:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:32:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Subject: Re: glass question Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.102858.0> References: <<1999Nov8.1233.0>> Precedence: bulk I use the Spectrum glass you mentioned, and have no trouble with it. It tends to be soft, so I use a lighter hand when scoring it, if that helps. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Balloch To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:02 PM Subject: glass question > Hi group, > Does anybody else have a tough time cutting Spectrum irridized > white(whispy?) glass or is it just me? > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 15:26:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:33:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: rrk Subject: Re: Table height Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:35:19 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.193519.0> References: <<1999Nov5.61157.0@?>> Precedence: bulk There should be a report in Bungi Archives on the ergonomics of a stained glass studio. I believe the calculation was 7 inches below your elbow was the correct height for the workbench. If I'm wrong, I'm sure the writer will let me and us know. Steve In message <1999Nov5.61157.0@?>, rrk writes >Hi folks, > >Now I have another question ... what is the height of your *favorite* >work table for cutting glass and/or assembling/soldering and/or >designing? -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 15:32:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:34:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Sue Prullage Subject: Re: International glass magazines Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:00:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.20039.0> References: <<1999Nov7.15837.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Scottish Glass Society Newsletter (quarterly with membership) 13 UK pounds from Jack Searle, 32 Farington Street, Dundee DD2 1PF, Scotland, UK British Society of Master Glass Painters Newsletter and Journal (quarterly and annual with membership) 25 UK pounds from Ruth Cooke, 5 Tivoli Place, Ilkely, LS29 8SU UK email: secretary@bsmgp.org.uk Steve In message <1999Nov7.15837.0@?>, Sue Prullage writes >Hello fellow bungian's > I am currently working on a list of magazines (for the IGGA >magazine)that may interest stained glass artist. I have comprised >several from the US but I do not have any oversea's magazines. Could >those of you that live overseas let me know what magazines you read. >Please send me the address, phone number, approximate cost of >magazine,emails and urls. Any help will be appreciated. >Sue at stepsue@ezl.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 15:54:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:57:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Calderesque mobiles anyone? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:56:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.11563.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >Has anyone made any Calderesque mobiles--small or large--using just cut glass, with a hole for the hanging wire< Yup..... I use jump rings and swivels to attach glass to twisted and hammered copper spanners. Calder is one of my faves.... he had such an incredible sense of line. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 15:55:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:56:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: kilns Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:03:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.1839.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF2A13.83CF2840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi;evenheat kilns are very good,also paragon.i have had an evenheat for = about 5 years and never a problem.two years ago i bought the little = glass kiln and i do ok with that one also,just wish it was automatic = instead of using a pyro.just make sure they are correctly installed sand = read all the instructions.best of luck,dori www.doribee.com ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF2A13.83CF2840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi;evenheat kilns are very good,also paragon.i have = had an=20 evenheat for about 5 years and never a problem.two years ago i bought = the little=20 glass kiln and i  do ok with that one also,just wish it was = automatic=20 instead of using a pyro.just make sure they are correctly installed sand = read=20 all the instructions.best of luck,dori
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF2A13.83CF2840-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 16:18:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:09:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!frogplay From: "Pamela A. Gilbert" To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Disheartening news Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.91251.0> References: <<382701C1.1495@netbridge.net>> Precedence: bulk This makes me feel good, I am getting ready to do my first craft show with my stained glass, and I wonder how my relatives feel about stained glass gifts for Christmas. Well, time will tell. Pam G. Shirley Balloch wrote: > Hi gang, > I was at Walmart the other day. Looking at their christmas stuff and > guess what I found? > Stained glass angels. The pattern that you buy the filigree wings for. > They were selling them for $4.99. They were approx. 8 inches high. And > the glass was good quality. > Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 16:20:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:20:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Calderesque mobiles anyone? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:18:24 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov8.221824.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/8/99 3:46:05 PM, jaugusta@capecod.net writes: >Has anyone made any Calderesque mobiles--small or large--using just cut >glass, with a hole for the hanging wire--or attached the pieces to one >another using an adhesive rather than foil or came? I haven't, but I have seen wind chimes made that way, most recently at the Buyer's Market of American Craft (AKA the Rosen show). The pieces were drilled and strung together with what appeared to be fishing line, although it may have been jeweler's "rat tail" (a thinner version of the multi-stranded, braided "tiger tail" used for stringing necklaces), which is more flexible and supposed to be more durable than monofilament line. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 16:49:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:37:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: >"oh so-and-so makes stained glass . Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:36:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.133611.0> References: <<1999Nov4.114335.0>> Precedence: bulk Whoopee, my computer (and com port) are finally working again and not a minute too soon! We always meet people whose cousin/sister/aunt etc. does stained glass. We're always nice. And you know, because we do our own designs, sometimes we sell things to those people because they see something they really like. Also -- kids-- I offer to show the kids anything they want to see. I'll hold it, they can touch it. Mom is relieved and sometimes will stick around and look, instead of yanking the kid away. Since my husband is with me, he can talk to Mom (or Dad) while I talk to the kid. I've had parents come back and thank me for taking the time to tell the kid about what we do. (Of course, this doesn't work well with very young kids!) Dorothy (electronic again) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 17:07:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:08:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Las Vegas show dates? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:06:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.8612.0> Precedence: bulk >>I am hoping to go to Las Vegas. How soon do you need to register to get into the workshops? I don't want to miss out on the ones I really want but I'm in eastern Canada and don't know if I can swing it yet. thanks! << At last years rate of US $250.00 per day of workshop you should not have any trouble registering until the last month. Name brand instructors cost! Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 17:18:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:15:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: stepsue@ezl.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Sue: Glass Magazines Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:15:10 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov9.01510.0> Precedence: bulk Sue: Don't know if you have these or not, not directed specifically at stained glass, but you might glean some ideas from them? These are TRADE magazines in the USA: Art Materials Retailer 315-489-0458 Architecture Magazine 212-536-6221 Home Lighting & Accessories magazine 973-779-1600 http://www.homelighting.com Ornamental and Miscellaneous Metal Fabricator no phone, just fax: 404-363-2857 These are general magazines in the USA: The Artist's Magazine 513-531-2690 Metropolis, The Magazine of Archecture and Design 212-722-5050 http://www.metropolismag.com Sunshine Artist 407-539-1399 http://www.sunshineartist.com Metropolitan Home 212-767-5522 Laura hiimlaura@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 17:41:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:43:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bankpds.com!avssg From: "Anna Verbsky Sagami" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: "New to the list" and "New Designer Kits" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:47:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.10475.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BF2A19.A71B5AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am "NEW" to the Internet and this list! If anyone knows the best way = to get glass artist to my site, or how to advertise, let me know. I = only want the Stained glass craftsman, it's not fun to get these emails = if you don't do the craft. If this is not for you, delete.=20 I am the artist of "Building with Bevels" from CKE Publications. A = Great book if you like Candle Votives, also if you have your own = business this is great for teaching classes. Visit www.designaway.net = click on the book offer to see a picture. (Any orders will received 20 = full-size patterns below) I have also designed New Designer kits: That offer plastic shapes, = graph paper, a pencil, "Idea's to build on" 50-100 designing ideas, and = Now I am adding 20 full-size patterns to all kits. (who ever orders the = Mega Mailer will receive 12 colored pencils (fun to color the designs to = see what colors to use) Patterns: 4x4 Angel 8x13 Victorian Window 16x16 Flower = corner window 5x5 Angel 8x18 Candle Votive 8x9 = corner window 4x6 Snowman 19x19 Octagon Hummingbird window 7x7 flower = corner 22x16 simple window 10x24 flower kitchen cabinet =20 12x16 hummingbird window 10x15 Victorian window 22x7 = Contemorary 13x14 Loon corner window 15x15 wilderness corner 14x14 heart = stepping stone 9x20 lily oval 7x21 Iris window 19x19 = Ornate Octagon **I am hopeful that I have made some new kits that you are actually = getting your monies worth! Sincerely, Anna Verbsky Sagami ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BF2A19.A71B5AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am "NEW" to the Internet and this = list!  If=20 anyone knows the best way to get glass artist to my site, or how to = advertise,=20 let me know.  I only want the Stained glass craftsman, it's not fun = to get=20 these emails if you don't do the craft. If this is not for you, = delete.=20
 
I am the artist of "Building with = Bevels" from CKE=20 Publications.  A Great book if you like Candle Votives, also if you = have=20 your own business this is great for teaching classes.  = Visit   www.designaway.net  click on = the book=20 offer to see a picture.  (Any orders will received 20 full-size = patterns=20 below)
 
I have also designed New Designer = kits:  That=20 offer plastic shapes, graph paper, a pencil, "Idea's to build on" 50-100 = designing ideas, and Now I am adding 20 full-size patterns to all kits. = (who=20 ever orders the Mega Mailer will receive 12 colored pencils (fun to = color the=20 designs to see what colors to use)
Patterns:
 
4x4 =20 Angel           &n= bsp;=20 8x13  Victorian=20 Window           &= nbsp;=20 16x16  Flower corner window
5x5 =20 Angel           &n= bsp;=20 8x18  Candle=20 Votive           &= nbsp;       =20 8x9  corner window
4x6 =20 Snowman       19x19  Octagon = Hummingbird=20 window     7x7  flower corner
22x16 simple=20 window        10x24  flower = kitchen=20 cabinet   
12x16 hummingbird=20 window        10x15 Victorian=20 window      22x7 Contemorary
13x14  Loon corner=20 window      15x15  wilderness = corner  =20 14x14 heart stepping stone   9x20 lily=20 oval        7x21 Iris=20 window         19x19  = Ornate=20 Octagon
 
**I am hopeful that I have made some = new kits that=20 you are actually getting your monies = worth!      =20 Sincerely,   Anna Verbsky Sagami
 
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BF2A19.A71B5AC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 18:07:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:50:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kiln in Phoenix Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov8.14441.0> Precedence: bulk Is there anyone have a kiln in the Phoenix area that would be willing to let me fire some stuff? Need to rent kiln time for a couple of loads. Please contact me at charlie@ragingbull.com. Thanks, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 8 18:44:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:07:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Picture Frame ? Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:03:32 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov9.2332.0> Precedence: bulk I'm going to be making picture frames and wanted to know where to solder the came to hold the frame back. SHould I solder it over the same line that connects the clear glass with the stained glass? Or do I make the clear glass slightly smaller than the frame back so that the back part doesn't show around the picture. Obviously I've never made frames before. I'll just be making basic rectangles, but if anyone has a pattern or instructions for assembling the back it would be greatly appreciated. THanks much, Caren ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 9 18:48:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:14:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: photo frames Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:32:32 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov9.103232.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF2A9D.BABC5500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable caren;here's the instructions for finishing the back of the photo = frames,hope it helps.please let me know if you get it ok. dori www.doribee.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF2A9D.BABC5500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
caren;here's the instructions for finishing = the back of=20 the photo frames,hope it helps.please let me know if you get it = ok.
dori
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF2A9D.BABC5500-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 9 19:26:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:15:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Picture Frame ? Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:08:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov9.12834.0> References: <<1999Nov9.2332.0>> Precedence: bulk When we make frames, we cut the clear glass slightly smaller than the backing. I'm talking about 1/16 inch. We use 7/32 foil, and the combined solder line (clear glass and outside glass, is just the right size to hold the back. Edge the brass came (or whatever) as close to the edge of the foil on the clear glass as you can get. Remember that you want the outer part of the "U" in the came to be slightly larger than the backing...just right to slide in, but not so large tha backing will fall out. E-mail me if I wasn't clear enough. Dorothy mschatee@juno.com wrote: > I'm going to be making picture frames and wanted to know where to solder > the came to hold the frame back. SHould I solder it over the same line > that connects the clear glass with the stained glass? Or do I make the > clear glass slightly smaller than the frame back so that the back part > doesn't show around the picture. > Obviously I've never made frames before. I'll just be making basic > rectangles, but if anyone has a pattern or instructions for assembling > the back it would be greatly appreciated. > > THanks much, > Caren > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 9 20:41:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:34:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: idea for glass beads Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:34:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov9.2341.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi gang, I just came from a disasterious christmas show. Most of the vendors had a bad show and two were not coming back. Anyway, my booth was beside a lady who was selling hair picks. Now I have very fine hair and I never thought they would be any good for me. But since this was such a slow show, I said, "Show me." They are the best thing I have ever used to keep my hair up. All they are, are, chopsticks cut to a six inch length with two beads on the end. All she did was take a straight pin and pin the beads into the top. I don't know the name of beads, but the one next to the wood was a flat one, me being a nurse it reminds me of the spinal column. And then a pretty round bead on top of that one. That was it. She charged $10 a stick and sold them mostly in pairs but she also had them individually. I thought that the beads with the angels and the lady in them would be perfect for these. I went down to my local bead shop(a place I have never been before)thinking I would be able to buy them. Cause I am going to make about a dozen of them for myself. I really want to make some that have Santa and Snowman and snowflakes to wear at my Christmas show. Well she didn't really have any exciting beads, but she did have the hair sticks. She had black ones(wether it was paint or a stain, I couldn't really tell)and unfinished wooden ones for $1.50 each. The lady at the show also had a great way of displaying the hair sticks. She had a pretty cyrstal bowl filled with rice and just had the hair picks sticking up out of the rice. She sold them OK(at this disasterious show)because with your purchase came a new hair do. She was very good at weaving hair. Anyway there is another idea for your beads. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 9 21:00:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: WHYY-TV Premiere (glass harmonica) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov9.41237.0> Precedence: bulk This is a MIME-encapsulated message --e3acb1f5-96ab-11d3-9a33-00805feae8d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Gang, This lady is a friend of mine who is a well-respected classical composer = in the Philadelphia area. Now why am I posting this to a glass group? Beca= use she's written a piece for glass harmonica. If you've never seen or heard= this instrument, it's quite interesting. It was invented by Benjamin Fra= nklin and it uses tuned glass goblets to make music. Very haunting and celesti= al sound. Hope those of you in the Philadelphia area can tune in! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA U.S.A. -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Tina Davidson, INTERNET:tdavidsn@bellatlantic.net To: = Date: 11/08/1999 9:54 PM RE: WHYY-TV Premiere = Dear Friends, Please join me for these up-coming events!! Recently I was commissioned to write a new work for WHYY-TV12 and their 90-minute feature film, Philadelphia Diary. The film, which explores the drama of every day life, commissioned me to write "In that Early Light" for glass harmonica and cello trio for the opening sequence. The piece was recorded with glass harmonic player, Cecilia Bower and the cellist Ohad Bar-David from The Philadelphia Orchestra. You can hear more about this project in a live interview with me and other of the film's composers on WHYY-FM: Radio Times: Artscape: Wednesday November 10 at 11AM with Marty Moss-Coane And Please, save this date!!! December 1, at 9 PM, WHYY-TV Channel 12 for the premiere of Philalpdehia Diary. 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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:08:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov9.289.0> References: <<1999Nov9.2332.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Caren I just solder the lead along the seam line between the glass and the frame .Its a bit fiddly at first,so use needlenose pliers to hold the came,and then tack it at a few points along its length. Good luck Gillian mschatee@juno.com wrote: > I'm going to be making picture frames and wanted to know where to solder > the came to hold the frame back. SHould I solder it over the same line > that connects the clear glass with the stained glass? Or do I make the > clear glass slightly smaller than the frame back so that the back part > doesn't show around the picture. > Obviously I've never made frames before. I'll just be making basic > rectangles, but if anyone has a pattern or instructions for assembling > the back it would be greatly appreciated. > > THanks much, > Caren > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 9 22:04:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:21:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Machiu From: Machiu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: removing house paint from glass Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:18:18 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov9.151818.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any good hints for removing old house paint from ripple glass? Which cleaners and solvents can safely be used, and which ones must I avoid? Thanks for sharing your knowledge Bungians! -Maren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 02:15:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:45:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Sue Prullage , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: International glass magazines Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov9.224453.0> References: <<1999Nov7.15837.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Vetro published by the association Centro Studio Vetro on Murano (VE), San Lorenzo 17/18 b phone +39 041 5274771 Has mind blowing photography of the top 1% of glass artists and ads from the very most pricy galleries. Somehow I got sent a couple of their publications, but can't afford to subscribe. It is published in Italian and English - in the same edition. The basic format is 2 columns per page. The left one in Italian and the right one in English. The English is very well written, so I assume the Italian is also. Incredible art - incredible photography. Just stunning. Mostly not stained glass. This is a display publication - the sort of thing you salt your coffee table with to impress people, and it certainly will. In addition, I list those American publications I take, just in case you missed one. Stained Glass (quarterly), published by the Stained Glass Association of America www.stainedglass.org 800-438-9581 Excellent source for seeing international stained glass. Excellent source for original research - especially on preservation and restoration. Has yearly list of suppliers. SGAA is the most academic of organizations, and also publishes many of the more academic works on stained glass. Glass Art 9771 South Spring Hill Place Highlands Ranch CO 80126 303-791-8998 Not restricted to stained glass. Glass Craftsman (bi-monthly) www.glasscraftsman.com 215-860-9947 Stained glass how-tos. Technical info more valuable than the artistic quality. Common Ground Glass (IGGA) - obviously www.igga.org Features different artists and excellent list of suppliers. Glass Patterns Quarterly www.glasspatterns.com 502-222-5691 Practical how-to articles accompanied by excellent photos of various stages. Features several patterns. Often has ads for new products. Profitable Glass Quarterly (published by Glass Patterns Quarterly) 502-222-5995 New. No real focus. I expected as practical and helpful a magazine as GPQ, but everything was pretty general. Stained Glass News (irregular - and NO subscriptions) available only through your local glass suppliers - free - includes a pattern. PO Box 769 Ada MI 49301 sgninfo@aol.com Good how-to articles. Pratical and helpful. Often has ads for new products. Hope this helps - Cec Sue Prullage wrote: > Hello fellow bungian's > I am currently working on a list of magazines (for the IGGA > magazine)that may interest stained glass artist. I have comprised > several from the US but I do not have any oversea's magazines. Could > those of you that live overseas let me know what magazines you read. > Please send me the address, phone number, approximate cost of > magazine,emails and urls. Any help will be appreciated. > Sue at stepsue@ezl.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 04:26:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:42:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Machiu@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: removing house paint from glass Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:38:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov10.113819.0> Precedence: bulk Regular paint remover is what you need. safe for what or whom? The stuff isn't the best for people, but if you want to remove the paint in a reasonable amount of time, this is what you need. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 05:26:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:47:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: About Yahoo Auctions Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:50:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov9.205054.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, There was some talk a while back about eBay and some of you reported successfully selling there. I was just at Yahoo Auctions. There seemed to be quite a few sg pieces there of various types (panels, suncatchers, little angels, candleholders and so on), but only a few actually had bids on them. Ebay seemed to be about the same. Now Yahoo Auctions is much more interesting because its free to the seller ... apparently 100% free, no charge whatsoever . Ebay charges you even if you don't sell. Also, Yahoo Auctions is newer and not so well known (yet) ... though Yahoo IS one of the top sites on the internet and Yahoo Auctions will likely build up traffic pretty fast. So the question is : have any of the Bungians tried selling through Yahoo Auctions and achieved success? Regards to all ..... Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 06:20:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:36:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Machiu@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: removing house paint from glass Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:40:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov9.214013.0> References: <<1999Nov9.151818.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Machiu@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have any good hints for removing old house paint from ripple > glass? Which cleaners and solvents can safely be used, and which ones must I > avoid? Thanks for sharing your knowledge Bungians! Maren, If this is something you're going to be doing often, then you need to be properly equipped with a proper high quality respirator and perform this task under forced high ventilation conditions etc etc. ... this no matter what paint remover you use. There is no such thing as an organic solvent that is "completely safe", but some are worse than others. Most of the commercially available paint removers are based on methylene chloride which is not too bad vis-a-vis the toxicity of organic solvents. However, if this is a once-a-year task, and from your post I suspect it is, then I would simply go to Home Depot (or some place like it) and buy a small can of furniture stripper or paint remover. Take your piece of glass outside (don't do this indoors), and with a paint brush dab on some of the furniture stripper, wait a few minutes, and with a few paper towels simply wipe off the old house paint. Be sure to wear some gloves, this stuff is generally not good for the skin, kinda burns. Voila ... you're done. Thats what *I* would do anyway. Just use your head and take proper precautions. Be sure not to sniff the furniture stripper ... though I wouldn't lay awake nights worrying about smelling it a little bit ... this stuff is NOT that deadly especially if you just work around it occasionally and take proper precautions. Anyway .... gotta go ... Bob (in 95014) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 06:50:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:07:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nesbeonline.com!rcollin1 From: Bob Collins To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Yahoo Auctions Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.4549.0> Organization: CSC, Inc. Precedence: bulk How do they get away with calling some of that "stuff" Stainedglass?? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 07:49:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:14:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass Harmonium concert Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.5119.0> Precedence: bulk Gang, This lady is a friend of mine who is a well-respected classical composer = in the Philadelphia area. Now why am I posting this to a glass group? = Because she's written a piece for glass harmonica. If you've never seen or heard= this instrument, it's quite interesting. It was invented by Benjamin Franklin and it uses tuned glass goblets to make music. Very haunting and celesti= al sound. Hope those of you in the Philadelphia area can tune in! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA U.S.A. -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Tina Davidson, INTERNET:tdavidsn@bellatlantic.net To: = Date: 11/08/1999 9:54 PM RE: WHYY-TV Premiere = Dear Friends, Please join me for these up-coming events!! Recently I was commissioned to write a new work for WHYY-TV12 and their 90-minute feature film, Philadelphia Diary. The film, which explores the drama of every day life, commissioned me to write "In that Early Light" for glass harmonica and cello trio for the opening sequence. The piece was recorded with glass harmonic player, Cecilia Bower and the cellist Ohad Bar-David from The Philadelphia Orchestra. You can hear more about this project in a live interview with me and other of the film's composers on WHYY-FM: Radio Times: Artscape: Wednesday November 10 at 11AM with Marty Moss-Coane And Please, save this date!!! December 1, at 9 PM, WHYY-TV Channel 12 for the premiere of Philalpdehia Diary. All bests, *************************** Tina Davidson Please visit me at: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~tdavidsn/ Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA U.S.A. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 10:19:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:47:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Bob Collins" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Yahoo Auctions Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:01:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.7127.0> Precedence: bulk Now now, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Or in some cases those without a clue? Oops..did I say that? Gotta watch the Karma. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA -----Original Message----- From: Bob Collins To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:15 AM Subject: Yahoo Auctions >How do they get away with calling some of that "stuff" Stainedglass?? > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 10:48:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Bob Collins" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Yahoo Auctions Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:50:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.15018.0> References: <<1999Nov10.4549.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk They can call that "stuff" most anything they want to. Punch into ebay "Tiffany Lamps" if you want to see cheap crap. We are also guilty of a "misnomer" as well.......what the bulk of us work with is COLORED GLASS!, rather than stained glass..but alas and alack, that be another story! The worse the stuff looks and the cheaper it is, the better for the high quality producers, as a few people who can afford the best and recognize will at least contemplate buying. The Wal-mart and Home Depot crowd is unlikely to be client for the "good stuff". By the by........the above mentioned companies have done very well as investments! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 11:20:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:29:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NON GLASS ( hip surgery, mine) update Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:25:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.2257.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk The doctor "saw his shadow" and gave me 6 more weeks of.................. After looking at the x-rays the doctor was VERY PLEASED with the progress. He showed Elaine and I the shadows created around the metal appliance (cannot spel prosthesis) where the bone was starting to grow over it. I have to use ONLY a cane (waiting for the PT lady to check in for a time to show me how to do this properly) for the next 6 weeks. She will see me about 1:30 today to indoctrinate me on the correct usage of the cane. No restrictions on what I can do, as he opined that my "condition" will not allow me to do anything that would jeopardize the surgery. I drove home from the valley, about a 90 minute ride, and had no problems or pain or stiffness shifting (clutch). Feel good and no pain in the "surgeryed" leg/hip. Of course the conversation did indeed get around to the other "hip".....he did not have time to do it in the office before closing, so I/we decided not to decide at this time to set a date. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 12:00:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:15:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "bungi" Subject: Re: Yahoo Auctions Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.91230.0> Precedence: bulk Howard, What is intersting about all the "crap" selling on yahoo and e-bay, is it is selling. I have not put anything on and probably won't but why don't you give it a try and lets see how high the bidding goes on one of your wonderful lamps. I think if that you might be surprised, you might get far more than usual for one of your works. Even people that go to intenet auctions know the good stuff from the bad stuff. Some just want cheap stuff. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Howard To: Bob Collins Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Yahoo Auctions >They can call that "stuff" most anything they want to. > >Punch into ebay "Tiffany Lamps" if you want to see cheap crap. > >We are also guilty of a "misnomer" as well.......what the bulk of us work >with is COLORED GLASS!, rather than stained glass..but alas and alack, that >be another story! > >The worse the stuff looks and the cheaper it is, the better for the high >quality producers, as a few people who can afford the best and recognize >will at least contemplate buying. > >The Wal-mart and Home Depot crowd is unlikely to be client for the "good >stuff". > >By the by........the above mentioned companies have done very well as >investments! > >enjoy, H > > >weaver51@teleport.com >Elaine and Howard >best lamps on the "net": >http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 12:19:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:54:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Bob Collins" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Yahoo Auctions Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:52:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.95226.0> Precedence: bulk I see they have a lot of GlassMasters "stuff" on their site. Its only silk screened and mass produced. And I guess they call it stained glass because they are reproductions of actual stained glass pieces. I also see there are no bids on any stained glass in Yahoo. Interesting. Maybe the public is getting educated? I take that back , I know better. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA -----Original Message----- From: Bob Collins To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:15 AM Subject: Yahoo Auctions >How do they get away with calling some of that "stuff" Stainedglass?? > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 12:50:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:22:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Glass Harmonium concert Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:24:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.102438.0> References: <<1999Nov10.5119.0>> Precedence: bulk More about the glass harmonica (or, as some prefer, "glass armonica"): http://www.glassarmonica.com/index.html My personal favorite oddball instrument is the theramin: http://mdcm.arts.unsw.edu.au/Students98/BawdenH/innovate/1t.html Pictures and sound samples on both sites. And yes, both instruments use glass. Brad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 13:21:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:52:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: More harmonium trivia Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.104715.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, =46rom my veritable cesspool of = trivia (aka Michael), Ben Franklin arranged the glass hemispheres (goblets drilled out in the middle) on an axle so they were all turning at the same speed at the same time... then you just had to touch the turning goblets to create the tone instead of having to run your fingers round each glass rim. A treadle was used to power the axle. Now, don't you feel a lot better knowing that? :-D Good day! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 13:52:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:03:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Chinese stained glass! Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.105844.0> Precedence: bulk I was in Walmart today and looked for the stained glass angels one listee mentioned and viola! Found them in the holiday decorations. They're about 6" tall, have 3 variations--one is an angel with a trumpet, another is caroling, and I forgot what the 3rd one was doing. They're candleholders priced at $6.97--not a bad deal--I bought one! The angel w/trumpet is in blue cathedral glass, the wings are clear gluechip, the face in creamy opal. The seams between the glass--I don't know how they do it--are chrome! All in all not a bad deal for the price. This is similar to what Asian entrepreneurs did to the neon industry. Back in the late 70's-early 80's, you could sell a small neon sculpture--say of a moon and stars, lips, airplanes for about $175--the price was kept up by everyone. Until Taiwanese got hold of the designs, copied them and began to mass produce them---the market disappeared overnight! Then they went even further making inroads into the entire electronic marketplace and began producing neon clocks, telephones, radios etc--all functional objects with working neon lights for about $50 retail! American low-end neon now totally shot thru dead! Doesn't exist except in memory. Not that I blame them or fault them for killing the golden American goose we all shared back then---I think it's that way with any group making inroads into an unregulated market--make 'em cheap, make lots of 'em--drive out competition---hah! Now market is mine, mine, mine! Best wishes, joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 14:21:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:40:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: WHYY-TV Premiere (glass harmonica) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.103640.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Christie A. Wood" >It was invented by Benjamin Fra=3D nklin and it uses tuned glass goblets to make music.< If memory serves me, it was NOT invented by Ben Franklin, however he is credited with modifying it for greater ease of operation.... or some such thing. I have a friend who just inherited a very old European one and needs someone to replace several of the broken goblets .... we recommended Scientific Glass- blowers since the goblet has to be created to make a sound. Does anyone else have other ideas on replacing these goblets? = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 14:23:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:26:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yahoo Auctions Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:24:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.5245.0> References: <<1999Nov10.95226.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk pj friend wrote: > I also see there are no bids on any stained glass in Yahoo. Uh huh. Either you did not look very closely, or for very long, or the sg pieces with bids I saw bidding time had expired ... the latter is the most likely. I was there early this morning ... I didn't look THAT hard ... and I saw at least 10-15 pieces with bids, some (at least 5 that I saw) with multiple bids (3-7) ... most were in the $75 - $200 range. Essentially all were of beveled glass, some were 'antiques', another was described as 'european glass'. I guess that beveled glass is the style of the 90's. None of the classic 'tiffany lamps' had any bids as far as I could tell. There were some 'nice' lamps with stained glass shades with bids on them though, I recall there being 4-5 this morning, all were listed under Home Furnishings/Lamps category. Also, Yahoo Auctions does not have a separate category for "stained glass". They have a general category for Art Glass which includes blown pieces, paperweights, etc. They SHOULD have a separate category for Art Glass/Windows as well as Art Glass/Stained Glass. Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 14:46:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:33:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!frogplay From: "Pamela A. Gilbert" To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: idea for glass beads Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:25:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.72520.0> References: <<38286919.1644@netbridge.net>> Precedence: bulk This is a great idea, and even for myself. I never thought of this. Thank you for sharing. Pam G. Shirley Balloch wrote: > Hi gang, > I just came from a disasterious christmas show. Most of the vendors had > a bad show and two were not coming back. > Anyway, my booth was beside a lady who was selling hair picks. > Now I have very fine hair and I never thought they would be any good for > me. But since this was such a slow show, I said, "Show me." They are > the best thing I have ever used to keep my hair up. > All they are, are, chopsticks cut to a six inch length with two beads on > the end. All she did was take a straight pin and pin the beads into the > top. I don't know the name of beads, but the one next to the wood was a > flat one, me being a nurse it reminds me of the spinal column. And then > a pretty round bead on top of that one. That was it. She charged $10 a > stick and sold them mostly in pairs but she also had them individually. > I thought that the beads with the angels and the lady in them would be > perfect for these. I went down to my local bead shop(a place I have > never been before)thinking I would be able to buy them. Cause I am > going to make about a dozen of them for myself. I really want to make > some that have Santa and Snowman and snowflakes to wear at my Christmas > show. Well she didn't really have any exciting beads, but she did have > the hair sticks. She had black ones(wether it was paint or a stain, I > couldn't really tell)and unfinished wooden ones for $1.50 each. > The lady at the show also had a great way of displaying the hair > sticks. She had a pretty cyrstal bowl filled with rice and just had the > hair picks sticking up out of the rice. > She sold them OK(at this disasterious show)because with your purchase > came a new hair do. She was very good at weaving hair. > Anyway there is another idea for your beads. > Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 14:54:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:56:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Picture frame thanks Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:55:33 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov10.215533.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you to all of you who sent me info on making picture frames. It was very helpful to hear from those of you with the little tips that others may not be aware of, tried and true! You saved me from wasting alot of time figuring it out on my own. Tomorrow is a day off for Veteran's Day so what better way to spend it then doing glass. THanks again to all who responded. Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 17:56:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:17:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Beveled mirrors Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:15:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.151543.0> Precedence: bulk At the local Lowe's hardware, I noticed that they were selling 4x6 inch beveled mirrors. What a wonderful size and look for small mirrors! Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 10 21:43:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: artglassconcepts.com!delores From: "Delores Taylor" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: International Glass Magazines Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:52:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.125240.0> Precedence: bulk In addition to the ones mentioned by others check out Neues Glas a German publication with great modern kiln cast, pate de verre and blown glass. It may cover more but than what I've listed but it is a realy high quality publication. It's hard to find but features artist from all over and their current works. This issue features Markku Salo from Finland, Pavel Jezek sculptor and teacher from Prag, Pavel Hlava from Prague, Lantoine Leperlier of France. All those featured have modern designed art glass that is very inspiring. Neues Glas/New Glass is published quarterly by K.O.P. German Language publications 153 S. Dean St Englewood NJ 07631 (us contact) the copy I got has one column in german and the other in english. If you get a chance check it out. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 03:30:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:49:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: removing house paint from glass Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:46:23 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.24623.0> References: <<1999Nov9.151818.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>>> Organization: International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc Precedence: bulk Bob < ezbongo2@pacbell.net> wrote: "... methylene chloride which is not too bad vis-a-vis the toxicity" I'm sorry to disagree with you Bob, but methylene chloride is rather high on the list of known cancer causing agents, according to the State of California. It is rather slowly leaving the retail market place, but it surely shall be gone within a few years. Every retail establishment selling any compounds containing methlyene chloride, has to post warning signs under Prop 65. Most any of the petroleum based solvents have some toxic aspect to them, and while there is a new generation of paint removers based on citrus materials and extracts, they really aren't all that much safer, and for the most part, don't really work all that well. Anyhow, Maren, I'd suggest that you try a couple of approaches. If the house paint is latex based, you might be able to remove it by soaking in a concentrated solution of TSP (trisodium phosphate) or even sodium hydroxide (lye). While neither of these compounds is all that friendly either, their concentration can be controlled a bit better, since you're doing the mix. Further, by their caustic nature, these materials may well be able to really dissolve a latex house paint fairly quickly. Use gloves and eye protection as both of these material are not good for direct contact with living tissues. TSP dusts can be extremely irritating to your air passages, so take some precautions in that area as well. If the paint is oil based, I might still try the TSP or lye, and see what it is able to remove. I suspect that the bond from the paint to the ripple glass is largely mechanical, being stuck in the texture in the glass, and not adhesive or any chemical bond to the glass itself. Perhaps just by softening it up, you'll be able to remove all of it with a stiff bristle brush and some elbow grease. If that fails completely, then you may well have to resort to a commercially available paint remover, containing methylene chloride. Take proper precautions in use, and perhaps more importantly, in the clean up, disposal, and storage. This stuff is nothing to left half open in your garage. Peace -Gerry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 05:28:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:49:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Dani Greer , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: WHYY-TV Premiere (glass harmonica) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:29:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov10.23292.0> References: <<1999Nov10.103640.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Dani, Everything I ever read gave credit to Benjamin Franklin for his invention of the glass "armonica", 35 glass bowls that would ring different notes. Best, Carol T Dani Greer wrote: > Message text written by "Christie A. Wood" > >It was invented by Benjamin Fra=3D > nklin > and it uses tuned glass goblets to make music.< > > If memory serves me, it was NOT invented by Ben > Franklin, however he is credited with modifying it > for greater ease of operation.... or some such thing. > > I have a friend who just inherited a very old European > one and needs someone to replace several of the > broken goblets .... we recommended Scientific Glass- > blowers since the goblet has to be created to make > a sound. Does anyone else have other ideas on > replacing these goblets? = > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 05:56:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 05:45:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Chinese stained glass! Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.3395.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >They're candleholders priced at $6.97--not a bad deal--I bought one! The angel w/trumpet is in blue cathedral glass, the wings are clear gluechip, the face in creamy opal. The seams between the glass--I don't know how they do it--are chrome! All in all not a bad deal for the price.< Chrome - must be electroplated. My electroplater gives me a quote based on batch. So if you have a gazillion small suncatchers, you can just put them in a single "batch" and it really doesn't cost much per piece. Electroplaters do chrome, nickel, brass, copper, etc. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 06:27:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:10:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chinese stained glass! Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:10:34 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov11.141034.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/10/99 4:53:18 PM, jaugusta@capecod.net writes: >I was in Walmart today and looked for the stained glass angels one >listee mentioned and viola! Found them in the holiday decorations. >[...] >The seams between the glass--I don't >know how they do it--are chrome! They're electroplated. What's one more nasty chemical thing for dollar-a-day sweatshop labor to get exposed to........? Sparks (not always this cynical, sometimes I'm even worse) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 06:57:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:44:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: question re photographs Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:47:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.24719.0> Precedence: bulk I need professional photos taken of some of my work. Is there a particular size that is most commonly requested? Any suggestions? Suzanne Alive and well in Tulsa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 07:26:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:56:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: arvotek.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: OT: Electroplating Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:56:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.45650.0> References: <<1999Nov11.141034.0>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Just could not help but reply to this. Before we go running down Asian countries and labeling them as "sweatshops" let us reflect on many everyday objects that we all use that are electroplated. Without electroplating, the car that you drive would not be very shiny. Small kitchen appliances, although not the only way available today, were at one time only available chrome plated. All of this plating does not go on in third world countries at "sweatshop" type environments. If the general public, (you and me) did not demand this type of product, then there would be no need to put anyone's health at risk. As with all chemicals if the proper precautions are followed the risk to the user is almost negligible. Just my 2 cents worth and for my American friends this amounts to about 1.4 cents in your funds. Regards, Wayne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 09:58:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:33:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: question re photographs Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:35:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.73525.0> References: <<1999Nov11.24719.0>> Precedence: bulk For what purpose are you taking the photographs? Galleries, competitions, and juried shows generally want to see slides, not photographs. Web sites want digitized scans (or digital photos), so resolution is lost and size can easily be controlled via software. If they're for your own publicity purposes, I suppose the size that you feel comfortable with is the right one. If they're for someone who has asked for them, perhaps they'll suggest a size that fits their needs. The key to making photographs is to maintain control of the negatives, so you can reprint later at any size you need. Hope this helps. Brad Walker Suzanne Gunn wrote: > I need professional photos taken of some of my work. Is there a > particular size that is most commonly requested? Any suggestions? > > Suzanne > Alive and well in Tulsa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 10:42:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:06:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!artsorce From: artsorce@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass and fiber optics Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:10:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.61025.0> Precedence: bulk Please respond if you are a glass artist that has included any fiber optic elements with your work, or feel that you could create a piece using glass and fiber optics. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 11:03:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:33:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: synergyglass , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: question re photographs Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:36:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.63637.0> References: <<199911111819.KAA11558@mimas.island.net>> Precedence: bulk The purpose of these in particular are for submitting for possible inclusion in a catalog. They didnt specify the size, and you dont get the luxury of speaking to a human. They do want photographs though rather than slides. I have a friend that is a professional photographer that will do the photos for me. I've never been able to take a good photograph of glass. Myabe I should have him make me an 8x10 and a 4x6. I need to find a photographer locally to do some photos for me of panels, because my friend is located in Sausalito. Dont really want to be mailing them around. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 11:20:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:36:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting oil formula? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:18:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Oct22.131850.0> References: <<1999Oct22.33445.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Anyone have a no-fail home formula for cutting oil? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i use a 50-50 mixture of kerosene and 3-in-1 oil. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 11:28:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:00:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: WHYY-TV Premiere (glass harmonica) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:05:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.8510.0> References: <<1999Nov10.23292.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Carol Tombro wrote: > Dani, > > Everything I ever read gave credit to Benjamin Franklin for his > invention of the glass "armonica", 35 glass bowls that would ring > different notes. > > Best, > Carol T > > Dani Greer wrote: > > > Message text written by "Christie A. Wood" > > >It was invented by Benjamin Fra=3D > > nklin > > and it uses tuned glass goblets to make music.< > > > > If memory serves me, it was NOT invented by Ben > > Franklin, however he is credited with modifying it > > for greater ease of operation.... or some such thing. > > > > I have a friend who just inherited a very old European > > one and needs someone to replace several of the > > broken goblets .... we recommended Scientific Glass- > > blowers since the goblet has to be created to make > > a sound. Does anyone else have other ideas on > > replacing these goblets? = > > > > Best regards, > > > > Dani Greer > > Greer Gallery & Studios > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hello, Just to put my tuppence worth in. Mozart wrote music for the glass harmonica. I heard it on CBC Radio a couple of years ago Regards Gillian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 12:27:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:13:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Karen Kelley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help! Question Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov2.112453.0> References: <<1999Nov2.53323.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Karen Kelley wrote: > > i am reading your articles on the net but, not being a glass artist, I am > kinda lost. To make a long story short, could you help me! I do wire > sculpture and have just discovered the world of metalsmithing. I am in love > but really, really need to know how to cover a silver solder to make it > match the copper. Is this what you all are talking about with the Jax > Copper plating. > > I really hope you can help. I feel like the answer should be out there and > easily found, but I am not putting my fingers on it at all. > > Thanks, sounds like you all have a cool thing going there! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass plating should work, but it's messy, hard to get rid of and expensive. though JAX may have a patina meant for silver solder. they make ALOT of patina, even for steel. i wonder if they make a copper solder you can use instead. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 12:58:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: removing house paint from glass Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:21:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.42122.0> References: <<1999Nov9.151818.0>> Precedence: bulk The most efficient paint strippers commonly available are methylene chloride and methylethylketone. Unfortunately, they are also some of the most dangerous still available. Methylene chloride is a suspected carcinogen and methylethylketone is a confirmed carcinogen. They also evaporate quickly, causing a rapid buildup of vapors. The vapors rapidly affect the body's supply of oxygen. People with heart or lung problems should never use methylene chloride strippers under any circumstances. Even the healthiest people should only use them with excellent ventilation including a good supply of fresh air from outside the stripping area. Standard cartridge-style respirators are NOT affective against methylene chloride. I would instead recommend N-methyl pyrrolidone (NMP) based paint stripper. Much safer (though still not completely "safe"). Unfortunately NMP based paint strippers are about two to three times the cost of methylene chloride and are a little harder to find. Any of the big home improvement places and many paint stores should carry them though. It is also sometimes not very clear which strippers are NMP based because of some of the unusual marketing strategies some of these companies have developed to overcome the higher price. Almost all of the "citrus scent" (d-limonene) strippers actually have NMP as the main active stripping agent. The "Citristrip" family of products are actually NMP based strippers. I personally use "Citristrip". The gel consistency of Citristrip means you can apply it to a vertical surface. With heavily rippled glass, the gel consistency will also hold the stripper to the hills of the ripples. Thinner solvent such as the "Citrisol" product by the same company will pool in the valleys and therefore will not work as well on the paint in the "hills". Let the stripper sit on the paint for the time described in the instructions. I then use a handful of sawdust rubbed on the glass to remove stripper and paint. Sawdust works it's way into the fine valleys on textured glass yet is easily removed from the glass. Of course, since I am also a woodworker, sawdust is very convenient and free for me. Shredded paper (from any office shredder) also works well. Try to find shredded paper that has not been heavily printed since paint stripper will also dissolve the ink. A little dissolved ink does not hurt anything, especially on glass. But a lot can make the job messier. I personally do not like steel wool because of the little pieces left behind. I also know people who use plastic wool pads, but you need to test the brand first with the stripper you are using because the stripper may dissolve the plastic wool itself creating a real mess. I do not like using brushes of any sort with paint stripping because the "flicking" of the brush bristles flips little drops of stripper and dissolved paint around which is definitely a health hazard. You can use a rag, but I find cloth rags difficult to work into textured areas. Also make sure the cloth rag is not a synthetic. Paint stripper will dissolve polyester, nylon and most other synthetics creating a real mess. Always use appropriate gloves and ventilation. Follow all safety instructions on the label. If you are still not sure about a particular product, request a material safety data sheet (MSDS). Please also follow proper disposal instructions. Not only can the stripper itself harm the environment, but the stripped paint itself can be harmful. Recognize that if the house paint is more than 30 or 40 years old, it may very possibly contain lead. Even more modern paint contains substances harmful to the environment and should always be disposed of on the assumption it is a hazardous material. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 7:18 AM Subject: removing house paint from glass > Does anyone have any good hints for removing old house paint from ripple > glass? Which cleaners and solvents can safely be used, and which ones must I > avoid? Thanks for sharing your knowledge Bungians! > -Maren > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 13:20:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:41:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: Anthony Higson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: WHYY-TV Premiere (glass harmonica) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:43:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov11.104327.0> References: <<1999Nov11.8510.0>> Precedence: bulk More on the glass (h)armonica. Yes, Mozart did write music for the Ben Franklin invention (CDs are available.). Mozart lived from 1756-1791. Franklin invented it in 1761 -- it was an immediate hit, with its sound described as "the most beautiful mankind has ever possessed." I also found a link to a place that still makes them, if anyone wants to make an unusual Christmas purchase: http://finkenbeiner.bcn.net/ Still like the theremin better. Brad Anthony Higson wrote: > Just to put my tuppence worth in. Mozart wrote music for the glass > harmonica. 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Email:hunslee@mjl.co.kr 19th Fl., Korea Investment Trust Bldg. 27-1 Youido-Dong, Yungdeungpo-Ku Seoul 150-010, Korea http://www.mjl.co.kr *********************************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 20:58:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:47:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Rita Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: thanks Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:36:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Aug24.18365.0> References: <<1999Aug24.161146.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Rita Tidwell wrote: > > Thanks for the help on foil problem. Will try the trick with flash next > time I use the camera. Wonder if a piece of scotch tape would work? Has > anyone seen a pattern for the "End of the Trail" and a bulldozer or > john deere? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would'nt try that with the tape. the flash can get very hot (ever get your finger in the way? the tape may stick on and you may never get it off. maybe a piece of wax paper... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 21:26:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:49:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ring Saw vs Band Saw Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:40:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Sep30.154025.0> References: <<1999Sep30.143211.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Dani Greer wrote: > > Message text written by Mike Savad > >those impossible cuts, thick > glass, and so forth.< > > Those impossible cuts will stress fracture > over the years.... tell me you like saw work > ten years from now when you've had to > do a lot of repairs! Tour de Force cuts are > never a wise decision.... they weren't in = > > medieval days when those impossible cuts > were done by hand.... they are not today = > > when anyone can buy a saw. Do some > restoration work for a few years.... you'll > learn what I'm talking about..... > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's not used everywhere. large pieces in a panel will most likly break over time. even smaller pieces, panels flex too much. a box, or a lamp there's a greater chance of piece survival. and of course mosaic work, it will never crack (from that). cutting our drapery or extra thick glass. or using it in the case of my glass filligree. the band saw doesn't always have to be for deep curves or impossible cuts. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 11 22:59:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:30:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Karen Kelley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help! Question Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov2.112453.0> References: <<1999Nov2.53323.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Karen Kelley wrote: > > i am reading your articles on the net but, not being a glass artist, I am > kinda lost. To make a long story short, could you help me! I do wire > sculpture and have just discovered the world of metalsmithing. I am in love > but really, really need to know how to cover a silver solder to make it > match the copper. Is this what you all are talking about with the Jax > Copper plating. > > I really hope you can help. I feel like the answer should be out there and > easily found, but I am not putting my fingers on it at all. > > Thanks, sounds like you all have a cool thing going there! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass plating should work, but it's messy, hard to get rid of and expensive. though JAX may have a patina meant for silver solder. they make ALOT of patina, even for steel. i wonder if they make a copper solder you can use instead. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 01:31:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:19:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: question re photographs Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.11734.0> References: <<199911111819.KAA11558@mimas.island.net>>> Organization: International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne, Off hand, I'd suggest that if whomever is soliciting these photographs is looking for hard prints, instead of slides, for use in any kind of printed catalogue, something's a bit out of whack. Slides are first generation, they are the original film exposed, not subject to further selective filtrations, such as the color pack used to expose the photographic print paper, or the type of paper, or the contrast factor of the print paper, or any number of other things that can result in less than accurate color rendition in the final publication. Typically, slides are used to generate the "separations" required for full color (aka 4 color process) printing. In many high end publications, they require large format slides, such as the 2 1/4" format, or even 4 x 5 or larger sized film slides. I'd suggest that you get a bit more information from whomever is soliciting the images, before you hire any professional photographer. You'll need to be extremely specific as to your requirements, and it would be a shame to spend the money and wind up with something that they can't use, or can't handle (or shudder - they don't want!) or possibly that doesn't showcase your art work in its best light. An old friend of mine, Steve Meltzer wrote up a number of articles in the Crafts Report over the past number of years. If you have access to those articles, it might help get you up to speed on some of the considerations as it pertains to photography for printing requirements, as Steve is a fairly well known professional photographer, who has specialized in photographing arts and crafts objects. If necessary, I can put you in touch with him, but he's semi retired in Florida now, desperately trying to stave off a compelling urge to wear flowered bermuda shorts, black socks and wing tips, whilst strolling down the beach to get in on the "early bird" dinner specials. Thankfully his wife keeps him a bit more grounded these days. Peace -Gerry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 06:31:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:15:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: question re photographs Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:14:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov12.141438.0> Precedence: bulk "Off hand, I'd suggest that if whomever is soliciting these photographs is looking for hard prints, instead of slides, for use in any kind of printed catalogue, something's a bit out of whack." I agree, sounds strange. Reminds me of an art show last Feb where I was approached by a couple who wanted me to join thier online craft mall - wanted photos, my address, asked where I worked -if it was out of my home. Of course I didn't give them any info. They said they were brother/sister. They had no business card, no paperwork. Went around from exhibitor to exhibitor. It was very strange, didn't feel right at all. Red flag went up right away, but that's another story! "An old friend of mine, Steve Meltzer wrote up a number of articles in the Crafts Report over the past number of years. If you have access to those articles, it might help get you up to speed on some of the considerations as it pertains to photography for printing requirements..." many of their articles are archinved and available online at www.craftsreport.com Laura HiimLaura@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 06:56:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:39:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: question re photographs Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:42:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.24248.0> References: <<1999Nov12.11734.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the info. This is an upscale catalog that gets tons of submissions, few hand crafted items, but Ive seen they are including more. I think they probably go through the photos in a hurry, and when they see something they are interested in...go from there. I do know that all they want is a photo though. Im thinking positive and hoping to get lucky. Pretty far fetched, but nothing will ever happen unless I try..so..here goes. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 07:17:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:51:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: question re photographs Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:55:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.2558.0> References: <<1999Nov12.141438.0>> Precedence: bulk If *these* people came to *me*. I'd be jumping up and down for joy, and I'd work like a crazy woman to make them happy. They are reputable. I'll be lucky to even get them to look at my photo. When it is all over, I'll tell who it was and what happend. Sharing rejection is a drag! I'm assuming they send a rejection letter if they arent interested. Like I said, it is far fetched, but I'd be stupid not to try. T Suz > I agree, sounds strange. Reminds me of an art show last Feb where I was > approached by a couple who wanted me to join thier online craft mall - wanted > photos, my address, asked where I worked -if it was out of my home. Of course > I didn't give them any info. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 09:05:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:26:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OT: Electroplating Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:25:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov12.162519.0> Precedence: bulk >>They're electroplated. What's one more nasty chemical thing for dollar-a-day >>sweatshop labor to get exposed to........? In a message dated 11/11/99 10:27:30 AM, bigcreek@arvotek.net writes: >[...] As with all chemicals if the proper precautions are followed >the risk to the user is almost negligible. Very true, said the ex-chemist. But that's the point - it's not just that the suppliers of $7 angels are undercutting us by using cheap labor. All too often they're also keeping their prices down by not spending money on safety equipment. It's the hazardous conditions, at least as much as the low pay, that make a sweatshop, and the people who work in those places (or do piecework at home, in which case they - and their kids - live with the nasties 24/7) can't afford to protect themselves either. Yesterday I bought a new respirator at Home Depot (an MSA multipurpose model, rated for paint fumes, lead fumes, toxic dust, just about everything nasty that stained-glass workers get into). It set me back $36 including tax - it takes me about a half day to earn that much. How long would the guy making the $7 angels have to work to buy the same thing? a month? 2 weeks if business is brisk? Not to mention the $60 for the annual blood lead test, or the bottles of vitamin C and calcium supplements to get rid of the excess lead if it's up............ End of rant. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 09:41:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:14:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!NEICYDENN From: NEICYDENN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: respirator Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:13:48 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov12.171348.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/12/1999 11:06:30 AM Central Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << Yesterday I bought a new respirator at Home Depot (an MSA multipurpose model, rated for paint fumes, lead fumes, toxic dust, just about everything nasty that stained-glass workers get into). It set me back $36 >> I'm curious, how many of you use a repirator? denise ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 10:02:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:16:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Disheartening news Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:15:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Nov12.11558.0> References: <<382701C1.1495@netbridge.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley: I went to WalMart looking for the angels and hoping to see the ones you were talking about. The only thing close at my Walmart was a tree topper made of the Capis(z) shells. It did look like stained glass but that was all I could find. I will definitely check back later. Thanks for the heads up. Peggy On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Shirley Balloch wrote: > Hi gang, > I was at Walmart the other day. Looking at their christmas stuff and > guess what I found? > Stained glass angels. The pattern that you buy the filigree wings for. > They were selling them for $4.99. They were approx. 8 inches high. And > the glass was good quality. > Shirley B > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 11:29:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:58:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: NEICYDENN@aol.com, "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: respirator Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:00:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.9040.0> References: <<1999Nov12.171348.0>> Precedence: bulk NEICYDENN@aol.com wrote: > I'm curious, how many of you use a repirator? > denise Don't use a "repirator" but I swear by my respirator. :-) When I was doing simple stained glass work (copper foil mostly), I pretty much got along without one. But now that I make molds for warm glass work and deal with nasty chemicals now and then I don't think I could get along without a respirator. It's as much a part of my work shop as the safety goggles. Now here's another question: how many of you wear safety glasses when you grind? (One-eyed artists need not reply.) Brad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 12:59:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:14:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:11:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.4111.0> References: <<1999Nov12.171348.0>> Precedence: bulk Always, even though it is a real pain sometimes. I did not use a respirator in the past and my health has suffered permanent damage. Use it (a respirator) or lose it (your health). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 9:13 AM Subject: respirator > In a message dated 11/12/1999 11:06:30 AM Central Standard Time, > Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > > << Yesterday I bought a new respirator at Home Depot (an MSA multipurpose > model, > rated for paint fumes, lead fumes, toxic dust, just about everything nasty > that stained-glass workers get into). It set me back $36 >> > > I'm curious, how many of you use a repirator? > denise > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 13:31:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:28:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:25:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.42538.0> References: <<1999Nov12.9040.0>> Precedence: bulk Absolutely always, even more often than a respirator. Since I need to wear prescription glasses to see, I built it into that requirement. I paid for specialty prescription safety glasses with the full side guards and everything. They hang right inside my shop door next to a holder for my regular prescription glasses. I exchange them when I walk in the door. From then on, if I don't have my safety glasses on, everything is a blur. A note to all of you who wear glasses. Regular eye glasses only protect you from hazards straight forward. This may protect you from 80% of things, but it won't save your eyes from ricocheting pieces of glass propelled by the force of a power grinder nor from splashed flux knocked over to the side of you. Use it or lose it. In this case it is your sight you can lose. And take it from someone who is genetically "blind as a bat" without his glasses. Your sight is a precious thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Walker To: ; Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 11:00 AM Subject: Re: respirator > Now here's another question: how many of you wear safety glasses when you > grind? (One-eyed artists need not reply.) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 14:35:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:51:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: respirator Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:49:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.74938.0> References: <<1999Nov12.9040.0>> Precedence: bulk I wear safety goggles for everything in the workshop except foiling...I even got solder spit at me once so on they go when I'm soldering, cutting, or grinding. Course I had that LASIK eye surgery a year ago, so maybe I'm a little sensitive about protecting my expensive investment. ;-) Shari > Now here's another question: how many of you wear safety glasses when you > grind? (One-eyed artists need not reply.) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 16:46:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:40:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: NEICYDENN@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: respirator Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:38:09 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov13.1389.0> References: <<1999Nov12.171348.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Denise and Everyone I wear safety goggles on top of my glasses only for grinding; I tried wearing also a mask (one of those that only cover your nose and mouth), but then I could see nothing as I breathed into the goggles and glasses; I looked quite a sight too. I don't take other precautions for soldering or foiling, and I wear latex gloves when applying black patina. I am not sure of what you mean by a respirator: a mask (covering nose/ mouth/face?) connected to an air supply (portable?)? I also would apreciate being referred to safety information specifically in stained glass jobs, can anyone help? Thank you in advance. Elena in Spain NEICYDENN@aol.com escribió: > In a message dated 11/12/1999 11:06:30 AM Central Standard Time, > Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > > << Yesterday I bought a new respirator at Home Depot (an MSA multipurpose > model, > rated for paint fumes, lead fumes, toxic dust, just about everything nasty > that stained-glass workers get into). It set me back $36 >> > > I'm curious, how many of you use a repirator? > denise > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 17:09:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:14:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: respirator Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:13:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.141340.0> References: <<1999Nov12.9040.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk If I worked a lot with the noxous stuff I'd definately have a respirator. When grinding (or sawing glass or came or wood) I use goggles over perscription glasses, and a throwaway fiber mask over the nose and a hair protector to keep the dust out of the nose and hair as well as protect the eyes. I'm a real sight to see. - Cec Brad Walker wrote: > NEICYDENN@aol.com wrote: > > > I'm curious, how many of you use a repirator? > > denise > > > When I was doing simple stained glass work (copper foil mostly), I pretty much > got along without one. > > Now here's another question: how many of you wear safety glasses when you > grind? (One-eyed artists need not reply.) > > Brad > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 18:59:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:08:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:06:28 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov13.2628.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/12/99 7:48:10 PM, elere@clientes.euskaltel.es writes: >I am not sure of what you mean by a >respirator: a mask (covering nose/ mouth/face?) connected to an air supply >(portable?)? In most cases it's a "half-mask" that covers your nose and mouth. For ordinary dust and pollen - the non-toxic stuff - those white fiber filter masks are good enough. You just need to make sure you've got a snug fit. If you're around fairly low levels of toxic stuff - if you're soldering, or stripping paint, for instance - you need to move up to the rubber mask that makes you look like Darth Vader and (usually) has two replaceable canisters that filter out the dust *and* trap the vapors chemically. There's also the more sophisticated type mentioned by Tim Atwood the other day: >Personally, I use a "positive air flow" type filter with disposable hoods >(air is forced through the filter by a little battery operated unit attached >to a belt then through a hose attached to a hood around your face). About >the only type that works with a beard. Of course "Kathy" probably does not >have this problem :-). Made by Racal. NOTE: You still need to work in a well-ventilated area, because even industrial-grade filter masks of this type can only deal with relatively small amounts of the bad stuff, and if you don't have adequate ventilation, the oxygen in the room can be depleted/displaced by some airborne things including heavier-then-air gases (carbon dioxide and chlorine come to mind), which causes a whole other set of problems! And the canisters must be replaced regularly. Some masks come with the recommendation to replace the canisters when you start smelling fumes (which works for paint, but not for some other things); others are rated for a certain number of hours of use. For higher concentrations of toxic stuff, the way to go is a full-face mask/hood with its own air supply. Firefighters use full-face masks hooked up to "backpacks" containing bottles of compressed air. In some industries you'll still see people with masks hooked up to lines from an outside air supply - that setup works if mobility isn't an issue. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 12 20:31:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:50:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: respirator--other safety measures Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.174618.0> References: <<1999Nov13.2628.0>> Precedence: bulk Regarding lead came: isn't lead also absorbed through the skin---shouldn't gloves be worn when handling it? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 01:00:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:37:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Disheartening news Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:39:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov12.163917.0> References: <<1999Nov12.11558.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Shirley, I was at a Hallmark today in Everett Washington where they had a few stained glass pieces. There are two different companies. One I believe is American Art Glass. They have a few garden stakes and some night lights. There is another company out of China that is producing pieces including small lamp shades and large 3d items with 50 or more small pieces selling for a less than $35. The glass and workmanship is lousy. I would not worry about these pieces. A person gets what they pay for. I will definitely be advertising my work stating that I am a local artist and use high quality glass and excellent workmanship. I know I put my work next to theirs and there is no comparison. There pieces are not much better than the plastic. Such a shame. Cheryl Parrott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 04:01:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:14:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator--other safety measures Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 06:14:28 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov13.111428.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/12/99 10:48:15 PM, jaugusta@capecod.net writes: >Regarding lead came: isn't lead also absorbed through the skin---shouldn't >gloves be worn when handling it? According to the American Academy of Family Physicians - see the long article on lead toxicity at http://home.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/stauding.html "Lead is absorbed primarily through the respiratory and gastrointestinal systems, with the former being the more important route of entry in occupational exposures. Cutaneous absorption of inorganic lead is negligible. However, organic lead compounds, because of their lipid solubility, are readily absorbed through intact skin. "Respiratory lead absorption is primarily dependent on particle size; solubility, respiratory volume and physiologic interindividual variation are less important factors. The percentage of inhaled lead reaching the bloodstream is estimated to be 30 to 40 percent. "Gastrointestinal absorption of lead is lower in adults than in children, with an estimated 10 to 15 percent of lead in an adult's diet absorbed gastrointestinally. The degree of lead absorption is increased considerably with fasting or in persons whose diet is deficient in calcium, iron, phosphorus or zinc." See also: http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/lead/health_lead. html (Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety) http://www.ohb.org/lead_med.htm (California Occupational Safety and Health Administration (Cal/OSHA) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 09:03:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:36:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bead making question Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:09:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov13.5934.0> Organization: stainedglassdesign.com Precedence: bulk OK now I bought my hothead attached it to the MAPP gass and made a few beads. My first problem is I only get to work about 30 minutes before the gas freezes and I am done for awhile. Frustrating for an individual that like to work for extended periods. Any suggestions? Second problem is, even though I coated my mandrels with Bead Release I can't get them off or when I do they break. Was I suppose to coat a new mandrel several times? Any help is appreciated. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 11:12:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:57:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284@aol.com To: stepsue@ezl.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bead making question Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:53:32 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov13.185332.0> Precedence: bulk HI Sue, (1)....I wrap the bottom of the MAPP canister with a towel......usually clinched between my legs.....just the way my set up works.....I have been able to work for over an hour with no problems......or my instructor suggested to have a container of warm water close by and when it starts freezing, just place the warm water under it to warm it up.....I like using the towel better. (2) Sometimes the Beads do tend to be stubborn coming off the mandrels..I use plyers to hold the mandrel and then twist the bead to work it off....sometimes it does take some effort....if all else fails, I soak the bead and mandrel in warm water for a while and then usually it comes off easier. I use a release called "Black Sludge Plus".....it is a bit more stubborn in releasing the bead...........you are only supposed to coat the mandrel once, but there have been times when I have coated twice.......have had no problems doing this. Are you annealing your beads in a fiber blanket?......you may waiting too long to anneal them after taking them out of the flame, or working them too long in the flame if they are breaking easily.......I have lost few beads, since I "got the hang" of it....... I will try to look for my catalogs this weekend and send you the names of some good sources for supplies. I buy most of mine thru Arrow Springs ... good prices and they are willing to talk to you about any problems you may be having...They had a web site too..... If you need any further help....just let me know. Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 11:25:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:04:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Sue Prullage" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bead making question Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:01:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov13.3149.0> Precedence: bulk >>OK now I bought my hothead attached it to the MAPP gass and made a few beads. My first problem is I only get to work about 30 minutes before the gas freezes and I am done for awhile. Frustrating for an individual that like to work for extended periods. Any suggestions? Second problem is, even though I coated my mandrels with Bead Release I can't get them off or when I do they break. Was I suppose to coat a new mandrel several times? Any help is appreciated. Sue<< Sounds like you are using small cylinders of MAPP gas. Just get a second one and alternate to overcome the freezing problem which is due to the high demand rate of the Hot Head Torch. One dip into bead release is fine. Sometimes the bead release refuses to release when it has been forced dried in a flame. High direct heat changes the chemical composition of the release. You can flame dry but do not heat any hotter than necessary. At the end of a session it is good and safest to dip coat all used mandrels and set them to drying for the next session. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 11:42:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Bead making question Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:12:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Nov13.5123.0> References: <<1999Nov13.5934.0>> Precedence: bulk I use 2 or 3 MAPP containers. After about 20 minutes you have to stop and change canisters and let the other one warm up again. Alternating between 3 is a pain but keeps you working for several hours. Shari > beads. My first problem is I only get to work about 30 minutes before > the gas freezes and I am done for awhile. Frustrating for an individual > that like to work for extended periods. Any suggestions? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 11:56:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:31:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Safety glasses Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:29:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov13.92946.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Brad Walker >Now here's another question: how many of you wear safety glasses when y= ou grind? (One-eyed artists need not reply.)< Always. Everyone here wears them always. No exceptions. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 12:10:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:32:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: respirator Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:29:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov13.92940.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:NEICYDENN@aol.com > I'm curious, how many of you use a repirator?< Here at Art Glass Ensembles, everyone does now! Sparks and I used ours sporatically, but do so religiously now. Also, after any day where I'm handling lead and/or soldering, I shower & wash hair first thing when getting home, and the clothes go directly into the washer. Am also in the process of having my contractor build me a full-shop ventilation system. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 12:12:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:10:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net (synergyglass) To: Sue Prullage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bead making question Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:09:17 -0800 Message-ID: <199911132009.MAA32096@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >OK now I bought my hothead attached it to the MAPP gass and made a few >beads. My first problem is I only get to work about 30 minutes before >the gas freezes and I am done for awhile. Frustrating for an individual Sue I used to have the same problem running a tiger torch off 100 lb propane tanks when I had my oyster farm. The freezing is caused by the rapid rate at which the fuel is being used. The solution I used was to have 2 hundred pounders and to alternate them. I don't do beadwork, but I'm imagining that 2 cylinders of whatever MAPP gas is should do the trick. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 12:42:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:30:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Safety glasses Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:27:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov13.102740.0> Precedence: bulk I wear safety glasses all the time, I have several pairs sitting around so I can grab them at a moments notice. I am careless in that I will run out into my studio barefooted to grab a pair of scissors or dykes. I had my eye injured several years ago with a rock from a lawn mower, and I learned my lesson. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 3:04 PM Subject: Safety glasses >Message text written by Brad Walker >>Now here's another question: how many of you wear safety glasses when y= >ou >grind? (One-eyed artists need not reply.)< > >Always. Everyone here wears them always. No exceptions. > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles >North Wales, PA USA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 13 13:46:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:38:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Safety glasses Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:34:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov13.53438.0> References: <<1999Nov13.92946.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk I have set up a swing shield made from a piece of acrylic with an 8"x8" hole cut out of the center. In that cut out is a piece of 1/4" plate. The plate does not scratch easily, cleans easily and should it get broken, easy to replace. 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I am one that has : double vision all the time and consequently only use "one eye" to see. : This does cut down on the way I view 3-D items and my world as I usually : only see "my world" in 2-D due to the stretched muscles used by my : eyeballs. The only hope for me in my case is awake operation where my : eyeball muscles would be cut and reattached and/or shortened, thus : hoping for my 3-D world to return. : : Don't get me wrong, eyesight is wonderful and we should all do : everything to keep this miracle most of us are born with. In my case, : it was an on the job injury where I was crushed, almost to death, alive. : The next fellow that got crushed alive, just like me, had his head : explode from the same pressure that I lived through. I am left with : permanent disabilities now, but I still can see even though it's only : with "one eye" for now. I hope, that is. I hope someday to have the : courage to go through with the operation to try and have my vision : restored. 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If this sort of thing continues to happen, count me out. : : Liz : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 09:36:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:45:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Tom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: eyesight, one-eyed artist, that's me Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:41:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.6417.0> References: <<1999Nov14.51349.0>> Precedence: bulk Tom wrote: > ...Double vision all the time and consequently only use "one eye" to see. > : This does cut down on the way I view 3-D items and my world as I > usually: only see "my world" in 2-D... Great story Tom--glad you're here among us! Something about my dog Pepper, I've always wondered about--maybe you can help. She went blind in one eye at about age 2--a frequent problem with the breed (Tibetan Terrier)--and for about a week was unable to run along with me on the jetty since she couldn't judge the distance between the rocks. But after a week or so, she figured out how to do it---and could run and jump as fast and accurately as she did before! How'd she do it? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 09:50:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:14:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: kootenay.com!sparent From: Shirley To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:14:23 -0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I am new to your list as I am also new to the art of glass work. I have been enjoying the letters coming in and so far found the subjects quite informative. I am also quite sensitive about who gets my email address as I have no wish to find myself the recipient of unwanted trash. I was very shocked to find a hard core porn email when I checked my mail this morning and was about to go have a talk with my daughter who was on the computer last night, when lo and behold I discovered that I was the culprit inadvertently through bungi. I am afraid that I will have to unsubscribe if this happens again or if I am to receive any other unwanted mail. Sincerely, Shirley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 10:54:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:18:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dlr From: dlr@above.net (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: UCE on the list Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:17:54 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Folks, We reject literally hundreds of messages that attempt to spam the glass list each week. I have lots of filters in place, looking for key words, and drop connections altogether from "known spammer" hangouts. It's a balancing act, as always. Sometimes, some messages slip through. I also work as secretary for the Mail Abuse Prevention System (see http://www.mail-abuse.org), a no-cost organization designed to stamp out _all_ unsolicited email on the internet. So, when you get spammed via the list, know that Glenna has already forwarded the message(s) to me, and I install additional filters to try to ensure that _that_ message (or, if possible, that kind of message) never comes through again. If you get spammed in general, know also that I've been working on getting rid of spammers for the last 4 years. The network which I run (please see http://www.above.net) has _very_ aggressive anti-spam policies, including a $500 *per complaint* (not per incident) fee that we bill our customers if they spam. I encourage you to ask your ISP's to enact similar policies, and to support the Realtime Blackhole List of the http://www.mail-abuse.org. This is a proven way to get networks, and ISPs to drop spammers, and to take UCE as a serious, and real, problem. Thanks, Dave Rand -- Dave Rand Senior Vice President & CTO, Above.net A wholly owned subsidiary of Metromedia Fiber Network, Inc. NASDAQ: MFNX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 11:10:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:30:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:23:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.82320.0> References: <> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Shirley wrote: > > I am new to your list as I am also new to the art of glass work. I have > been enjoying the letters coming in and so far found the subjects quite > informative. I am also quite sensitive about who gets my email address as > I have no wish to find myself the recipient of unwanted trash. I was very > shocked to find a hard core porn email when I checked my mail this morning > and was about to go have a talk with my daughter who was on the computer > last night, when lo and behold I discovered that I was the culprit > inadvertently through bungi. I am afraid that I will have to unsubscribe > if this happens again or if I am to receive any other unwanted mail. > Sincerely, > Shirley > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i just want to say that everyone is making a big fuss over nothing. it wasn't that bad a spam. every so often some spam will get through. i'm suprised it doesn't happen more often. due to the high volume of email that goes through here, that bungi address will pop quite often. now if you were getting 20 pieces a day from the list, then i'd say drop it. but it's 1 every few months... it's not that bad. so you really want to give up all the information that's found on this list, due to a few pieces of spam that's so easily deleted? i knew as soon as i saw that and where it came from there would be a bunch of flames. i don't don't see it as a big deal. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 11:21:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:47:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HardCore Adult XXX Porn Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:20:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.22013.0> Precedence: bulk And it is my hope that people will STOP REPEATING the offensive SPAM. Also stop bitching at the list owner. It shows a lack of knowledge of how these lists work! Bob in 92026 (flame off list please) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 11:33:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:37:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Shirley" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re:Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:34:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.83410.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Shirley, If you get on any list, look at any website on the Internet, you leave tracks of who you are (your email address). Don't feel that you are the culprit, you are not. If somehow you got 'picked', forget about it. Life is like this, the Internet and freedom has it's price. I'd rather pay the price than not have the Internet and all the cyberfriends I've made since getting into computers. And please, let your kids continue on your computer. Raised with values of what is right and wrong makes a difference, but we all went off the straight and narrow if even for a minute growing up. I'd hate to see kids loose out over some stupid post sent by a real dummy. Don't worry about it, and don't unsub. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 1:14 PM Subject: Re:Porn site : I am new to your list as I am also new to the art of glass work. I have : been enjoying the letters coming in and so far found the subjects quite : informative. I am also quite sensitive about who gets my email address as : I have no wish to find myself the recipient of unwanted trash. I was very : shocked to find a hard core porn email when I checked my mail this morning : and was about to go have a talk with my daughter who was on the computer : last night, when lo and behold I discovered that I was the culprit : inadvertently through bungi. I am afraid that I will have to unsubscribe : if this happens again or if I am to receive any other unwanted mail. : Sincerely, : Shirley : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 13:20:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:08:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: nadinesfolly@erols.com To: "Tom" , "glassbungi" Subject: re: eyesight, one-eyed artist, that's me Date: 14 Nov 99 16:08:27 -0500 Message-ID: <199911142107.QAA24255@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Tom! I can really appreciate what you go through daily, I suffered from double vision much of the time several years back. Mine was caused by myasthenia gravis and, luckily, I was finally able to control it with medication. But I remember how difficult it was for me to do my work, squinting and alternately closing one eye. It made me real tired, real fast. You have my respect! Thanks for reminding us how fortunate we are! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 13:47:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:12:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: nadinesfolly@erols.com To: "Glass Enthusiasts" Subject: stones in Virginia Date: 14 Nov 99 16:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: <199911142111.QAA25767@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Yesterday I got an inquiry via email from someone looking for a glass artist who was at an art show in Lynchburg, VA on a Sunday in September. T'wasn't me, but I offered to try to find out. Does anyone in bungiland live in Lynchburg and do stones? Please let me know. Thanks! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 14:48:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:19:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: HardCore Adult XXX Porn Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.12196.0> References: <<1999Nov14.64031.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I send each of the spams I get from any source, including Bungi to the SPAM Recycling Center. My understanding of this is that a number of the BIG name players on the internet have combined to operate this site. What they do is do trace back the origin of the message, and notify the ISP (internet service provider). Reputable ISPs dissallow spamming, and also usually dissallow any type of pornography. Often spammers make their messages look like they came from a perfectly innocent sources by using someone else's address, or they get into another ISP and make it look as though the message originated there. In this case, I believe the .dk at the end of the sender's URL indicates that the message originated in Denmark. The Scandinavian countries are much more open about sexual things, and this type of activity may well be legal in Denmark. However, I don't think the Danes are any more permissive of spamming than we are, so hope might still apply. It must be noted that anyone can set up his own webserver and act as his own ISP. In that case, there is no way to stop the spamming. Often the To: field in the address is NOT a person's address, and when you view the long header you can see something like Apparently To: and a long list of people. One of the irritating things about spamming is that your ISP often will not do anything about finding out who the real hidden sender of a message is and notifying the proper ISP, unless it happens the spammer was one of its subscribers. In that case you can expect them to act swiftly, kicking the spammer out. The spammer simply will to sign up with another provider and continue working until he is caught again. What I might suggest is that incoming messages be filtered. Obvious filters could be those messages that reach the list with the To: field not equal to glass@bungi.com. In this instance, however, the message still would have reached the list. In addition, certain words could be filtered: "porn" and "pornography" being possibilities. Still doing that, or filtering out messages with "hard-core" or "X-rated" could eliminate legitimate discussions of art. I belong to a listserv that involves technical Macintosh info, and the work "virus" is prohibited. In that case, when we have legitimate needs to talk about viruses, we simply spell the word "*virus*". The reason for that is we then eliminate the gazillions of hysterical beware-of-virus-the-sky-is-falling messages from well meaning but gullible people who fall for all the hoaxes. Below is a copy of the long header on our particular spam. Note that the From: and the X-UIDL: fields indicate ftp. This could mean that the spammer telnetted into a server via FTP (if we are lucky, uni2 might be a university server in Denmark, and the university might take umbrige at the use of it's server). But the spammer might have telnetted in from the US or anywhere in the world. Return-Path: Received: from mx6-rwc.mail.home.com ([24.0.95.35]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991114105143.WQJI12993.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@mx6-rwc.mail.home.com> for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:51:43 -0800 Received: from mx2-rwc.mail.home.com (mx2-rwc.mail.home.com [24.0.95.31]) by mx6-rwc.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id CAA27917; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mx2-rwc.mail.home.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA10296; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:14:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ftip.uni2.dk!forsure369 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Subject: HardCore Adult XXX Porn Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 05:47:00 Message-ID: <307.826039.470686@ftip.uni2.dk> Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <307.826039.470686@ftip.uni2.dk> Tom wrote: > It is my hope that the list owner will send this SPAM to their ISP for > action on this person/s. > > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elizabeth Arakelian > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: HardCore Adult XXX Porn > > : forsure369@ftip.uni2.dk wrote: > : > > : > A brief description of what we offer: > : > > : > 100,000 + Hard-core PICS > : > XXX Raunchy Videos > : > Hidden Cams on Amateurs > : > Teen Deepthroating... > : > Want More > : > > : > ENTER HERE ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: > : > glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: > : > glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > : > : > : this is so repulsive I cannot believe it made it into a glass list. > : These people who make, use, watch and participate in pornography are > : repulsive, depraved and SICK. Pornography in any form destroys peoples > : lives. I would like to know how these idiots got access to this list, > : especially considering that the topic is LIGHT YEARS away from their > : sick minds. If this sort of thing continues to happen, count me out. > : > : Liz > : ---- > : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > : > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 15:16:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:58:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Elizabeth Arakelian , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HardCore Adult XXX Porn Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:36:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.93647.0> References: <<1999Nov13.234535.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I received the same e mail Elizabeth and would also like to know how this came to be. One thing, I won't go to the site and I won't acknowledge to them that I even received their message, just delete it. Carol T Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > forsure369@ftip.uni2.dk wrote: > > > > A brief description of what we offer: > > > > 100,000 + Hard-core PICS > > XXX Raunchy Videos > > Hidden Cams on Amateurs > > Teen Deepthroating... > > Want More > > > > ENTER HERE ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: > > glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: > > glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > this is so repulsive I cannot believe it made it into a glass list. > These people who make, use, watch and participate in pornography are > repulsive, depraved and SICK. Pornography in any form destroys peoples > lives. I would like to know how these idiots got access to this list, > especially considering that the topic is LIGHT YEARS away from their > sick minds. If this sort of thing continues to happen, count me out. > > Liz > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 15:46:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:14:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: pattern help Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:14:53 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.31453.0> Precedence: bulk hello does anyone have an idea of an etching or stanied glass of the old fashion golphers? the lady in long dress and the man in the nickers hat ect. please if so, could you let us know- thanks ricky glass expressions- ps already tried spectrum patterns thanks in advance ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 16:06:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:29:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HardCore Adult XXX Porn Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:35:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.73524.0> References: <<1999Nov13.234535.0@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I gather some of you don't like unsolicited email and felt the need to tell us ALL about it. Join the crowd. I don't either. If asked ... 99.999 % of the people using the internet will say they hate spam. This is what is called a reflex response. Its similar to saying you don't like cold -50C windy winter days. Its going to happen again ... on this mailing list or any other. Count on it. I've been on numerous mailing lists (automatic email forwarding programs, aka Listservers) over the last 4-6 years, and I have yet to see one that didn't have the occasional get-rich-quick email, or XXX site promotion, and so on, that got through the filters and onto the list. I'm on several right now on subjects ranging from fishing to computer programming to stained glass to 'literary societies' to scientific lists of various types and more ... and every single one of them have stray emails on a from time to time basis. This is the internet ... kind of like the Western Frontier of the USA in the 19th century in that things are happening all over that are impossible to completely regulate in the bureaucratic manner so many would like. Don't blame the listserv admin (Dave Rand, I think), no matter HOW hard he works, or how clever he is, he can no more stop _every_single_spam_ from coming through on this list than he could make it rain by dancing in the backyard. 99.9% ... yes. 100.0% ... no. The technology and protocols simply aren't there yet. Before TOO long the protocols will be changed to make this sort of stuff more difficult AND (more importantly) to trace the source unequivocally (i.e. to make prosecution actually possible). Also, there will be laws in place with actual penalties attached. But until then ... However, any of you who get so exercised about the occasional stray spam that your heart starts palpitating (that it endangers your physical and/or mental health) might as well go ahead and unsubscribe right now from every mailing list you might be subscribed to including the Bungi list because it *IS* going to happen from time to time despite the best efforts of the admins. It would be nice if everyone could use their heads about this. Too much to hope for I guess. Anyway ... time to go catch up on the scores. Regards to all ........ Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 16:14:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:32:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Can't cut glass Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:30:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.133037.0> Precedence: bulk Just having one of those days...I swear, I look at a piece of glass and it cracks across. I guess I should just go and solder instead. I have a tray full of tree ornaments to finish. So, anyone have any nifty design ideas for those plaid square things? (They come square...Gee, something I wouldn't have to cut!) Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 16:33:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:38:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Re:Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:38:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.133827.0> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: Shirley Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Re:Porn site : Shirley, : : If you get on any list, look at any website on the Internet, you leave : tracks of who you are (your email address). : : Don't feel that you are the culprit, you are not. If somehow you got : 'picked', forget about it. Life is like this, the Internet and freedom : has it's price. I'd rather pay the price than not have the Internet and : all the cyberfriends I've made since getting into computers. : : And please, let your kids continue on your computer. Raised with values : of what is right and wrong makes a difference, but we all went off the : straight and narrow if even for a minute growing up. I'd hate to see : kids loose out over some stupid post sent by a real dummy. Don't worry : about it, and don't unsub. : : Tom : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: Shirley : To: : Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 1:14 PM : Subject: Re:Porn site : : : : I am new to your list as I am also new to the art of glass work. I : have : : been enjoying the letters coming in and so far found the subjects : quite : : informative. I am also quite sensitive about who gets my email : address as : : I have no wish to find myself the recipient of unwanted trash. I was : very : : shocked to find a hard core porn email when I checked my mail this : morning : : and was about to go have a talk with my daughter who was on the : computer : : last night, when lo and behold I discovered that I was the culprit : : inadvertently through bungi. I am afraid that I will have to : unsubscribe : : if this happens again or if I am to receive any other unwanted mail. : : Sincerely, : : Shirley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 16:48:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:10:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Glass Expressions" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pattern help Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.14940.0> References: <<1999Nov15.31453.0>> Precedence: bulk You said "golphers". Is this a cross between a golfer and a gopher? ;)) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Glass Expressions To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 6:14 AM Subject: pattern help : hello does anyone have an idea of an etching or stanied glass of the old : fashion golphers? the lady in long dress and the man in the nickers hat : ect. please if so, could you let us know- thanks ricky glass expressions- : ps already tried spectrum patterns thanks in advance ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 17:00:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Carol Tombro" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HardCore Adult XXX Porn Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:41:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.134152.0> References: <<1999Nov14.93647.0>> Precedence: bulk That is sometimes the easiest thing to do, Carol. Tom From: Carol Tombro : I received the same e mail Elizabeth and would also like to know how this : came to be. One thing, I won't go to the site and I won't acknowledge to : them that I even received their message, just delete it. : : Carol T : : Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: : : > forsure369@ftip.uni2.dk wrote: : > > : > > A brief description of what we offer: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 17:07:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:12:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Mike Savad" , Subject: Re: Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:11:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.14113.0> References: <<1999Nov14.82320.0>> Precedence: bulk I appreciate what Mike is trying to say about the spam not being such a big deal. However, for those parents who want to prevent our children from seeing pornography on the net, it's disturbing. I know it's not a common philosophy anymore to protect our kids from what's "out there", but I join Shirley in her effort to keep that sort of trash from kids' eyes. If you read that post again, you will see a reference to an act that would cause a child to question his parents, thereby forcing a parent to explain things that they may not be ready to know. We parents who feel so inclined, deserve our shot at preserving their innocence for as long as possible. There is plenty of time later on for them to know about the trashy side of life. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 17:17:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:49:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HardCore Adult XXX Porn Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:39:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.83956.0> References: <<1999Nov14.73524.0>> Precedence: bulk > If asked ... 99.999 % of the people using the internet will say they hate > spam. This is what is called a reflex response. Its similar to saying > you don't like cold -50C windy winter days. > no, its not spam I hate...its PORN.....I just roll my eyes when I get one of those get rich quick spams or ads for stuff that you KNOW is not what its cracked up to be...but pornography in any way, shape or form is degrading, repulsive and offensive. Its bad enough when I was on AOL I kept getting this stuff, all tricked out to look like its something else ("Hi, about our conversation online" or "its me, I've missed you") so you will open it not realizing what it is and then get sucked into it. It is a fact: people become addicted to online pornography...it is not a joke.It destroys peoples lives. I am a Christian and I am totally and completely disgusted by this sort of thing. I really dont care about free speech: it is immoral and wrong. Go ahead and flame me. I stand where I stand on this matter. Like I said its not about unsolicited email...its about the content of the unsolicited email. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 17:38:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:53:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.145149.0> References: <<006b01bf2efd$e84b0f20$40368118@net.mediaone.net>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Mary wrote: > > I appreciate what Mike is trying to say about the spam not being such a big > deal. However, for those parents who want to prevent our children from > seeing pornography on the net, it's disturbing. I know it's not a common > philosophy anymore to protect our kids from what's "out there", but I join > Shirley in her effort to keep that sort of trash from kids' eyes. If you > read that post again, you will see a reference to an act that would cause a > child to question his parents, thereby forcing a parent to explain things > that they may not be ready to know. We parents who feel so inclined, > deserve our shot at preserving their innocence for as long as possible. > There is plenty of time later on for them to know about the trashy side of > life. > > Mary thing is, there's alot of questionable material out there. more references on tv then in spam. the spam would be considered worse if it had one of those annoying java auto loaders. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 17:50:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:58:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: kootenay.com!sparent From: Shirley To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: PornXXX Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:05:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.10513.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all your responses to my email concerning the spam but I must tell you first off that maybe I have just been lucky, but I belong to and have belonged to many listserves over the last 4 years (mainly genealogy) and this is the first spam I have ever received so I was shocked. And don't worry, I wouldn't keep my kids off the computer as I know they have no interest in the porn sites (all teenage girls) but I have warned them about giving out their email address or any other personal info as they have already had one scare. I guess it is just that I know how incredibly violated I feel when I am invaded by this kind of disgusting crap and maybe because I am a woman it hits home harder and find that it "endangers my mental health". And yes Mike, it is "that bad of spam" and "it is a big deal". Sincerely Shirley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 18:01:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:01:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG: Meric and NEWSPAPERS!! Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:59:34 -0000 Message-ID: <199911150059.AAA27950@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Godmothers and Godfathers in Bungiland!!! My name is Meric Monterey! I am told that my first name means "The Heart of America". I am 7 weeks and 5 days old and weigh 15 lbs. My head and shoulders are all white - except for one jet-black ear; my back end is totally jet-black. Oh yes - I forgot - I have 4 legs - but I'm not quite sure which is which just yet... I am told I am an Old English Sheepdog; my great-uncle Toby Tobias doesn't think very much of me right now. Perhaps it's because I need an awful lot of newspapers on the kitchen floor.... :-< My "Mummy" is kind-a-busy right now.... mopping up floors, disinfecting things, feeding me 4 times a day and trying to keep me out of her flower beds (spoil-sport!!!!). I can't yet climb stairs up or down, so I don't know anything about the glass she makes to earn my food and uncle Toby won't tell me (the old grouch!!). He would BARELY pose for my first baby photos. I had 13 brothers and sisters before I came here; now I have to contend with this old Grouch Toby who is hogging his blue, green and yellow spiky toy - the Hedgehog, which came from USA and which he will NOT share with me. All I want to do is to be friendly, play and chew his ankles. Things just ain't FAIR!!! Sigh! Meric - the potential OES in UK ('n Toby - the Grouch) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 18:30:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:59:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Elizabeth Arakelian" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HardCore Adult Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.155840.0> References: <<1999Nov14.83956.0>> Precedence: bulk Liz, I hope you don't mind my way of answering your mail. Thanks in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Arakelian : no, its not spam I hate...its PORN..... a good number of us would agree with you, Liz re: porn. I was surprised to learn that about 44% or so of the Internet users are teenagers. With the porn spam that hits my computer, I'm not surprised. I don't like it either, but I won't go away from the Internet and it's usefulness due to the stuff. I will deal with it as well as I can with my resources and I won't profess to have any answers for you nor will I try and tell you what you should do. :...but pornography in any way, shape or form is degrading, repulsive and offensive. : It is a fact: people become addicted to online pornography...it is not joke. No, it certainly is not a joke. I don't think anyone tried to make it a joke, as you say. I don't believe that porn is addictive, just my opinion that I'm sure you will allow me to have. Right? What some have said though is sort of like "it comes with the territory", more or less. I don't like being spammed, especially that type of spam. But I won't run from controversy either and you don't seem like the type of person who would either. I do know that this is one of life's little problems, certainly not worth getting too upset about. I can only try to control those things I have the ability to do so. The other things like this being spammed, I can't control too much and neither can other list members nor the list administrators but I do feel that they will make a good effort to stop further spam of this type if that is at all possible. :............................................I am a Christian and I am totally and : completely disgusted by this sort of thing. And I'm just as sure that there are non-Christians, Liz, that would be just as upset with being spammed with any type of garbage. For my Jewish friends, and friends of other faiths, I will say that they would most likely be just as offended. It's not any single group of people, race, creed, nationality, etc., that have the right to be upset, it's all of us that are offended who have this right, no matter who we are or where we came from. Frankly, religion should not even enter into this picture, but I do understand where you are coming from and why you say what you do. :I really dont care about free speech it is immoral and wrong. Go ahead and flame me. :I stand where I stand on this matter. Like I said its not about unsolicited email...its about the content of the unsolicited email. : Liz Liz, it is all about free speech. Free speech is not a moral issue for right or wrong. I might not like what you have to say, Liz, but I would be willing to stick up for your right to say what you choose to say. The content of what you say is your responsibility, but we all have the right to free speech in the United States of America. The issue at hand is the spammer and unsolicited email. I personally do mind getting mail that I have not requested but I'm not likely to even tell the post office to stop all mail deliveries to me forever because of the way things are. And Liz, sometimes I have to remind myself that this is just the way it is, that I can not save the world but will do my best to try and cleanup some of the mess others make of our world. Regards, Tom ps: I don't think you have to worry about flames either as most would agree with your position and your right to say so. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 18:50:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:13:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: Mary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:14:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.161436.0> References: <<1999Nov14.14113.0>> Precedence: bulk As a parent with two children, I can understand the concern about pornography and the internet. However, I'm not sure I understand the concern that a child would find pornographic spam looking through YOUR e-mails. I certainly wouldn't want my children looking over my shoulders at any of my e-mail correspondence, and don't permit them to read my e-mail (pornographic or otherwise). There are hundreds of sites which provide free e-mail boxes. Many of these sites do a very good job of screening for unwanted spam and pornography. Some, such as computermail.net, have strict anti-spamming policies and go to great lengths to keep all spam out. Why not register your children on one of them and show them how to get their own mail from their own box? Or, if you don't want to set the kids up (maybe they're too young, or you want to read their correspondence over their shoulders ), why not rejoin Bungi using one of these free e-mail accounts and get your protection that way? For the record, I'm not endorsing computermail.net, nor do I have any financial or other interest there. I just used it as the first family-oriented example that popped up when I did a search for "Free e-mail" on Yahoo. Solving the problem of your kids seeing unwanted e-mails is one of life's easier problems to solve. For a list of free e-mail providers, try this link: http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Internet_Services/Email_Providers/Free_Email/ Brad Walker Mary wrote: > I appreciate what Mike is trying to say about the spam not being such a big > deal. However, for those parents who want to prevent our children from > seeing pornography on the net, it's disturbing. I know it's not a common > philosophy anymore to protect our kids from what's "out there", but I join > Shirley in her effort to keep that sort of trash from kids' eyes. If you > read that post again, you will see a reference to an act that would cause a > child to question his parents, thereby forcing a parent to explain things > that they may not be ready to know. We parents who feel so inclined, > deserve our shot at preserving their innocence for as long as possible. > There is plenty of time later on for them to know about the trashy side of > life. > > Mary > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 18:51:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:04:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "MMPOTRATZ" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: patterns Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:03:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.14320.0> Precedence: bulk I seem to remember seeing a frog pattern at the Spectrum site... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: MMPOTRATZ To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: patterns >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF2E8A.DE6097A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I am looking for an owl pattern to make for a friend to give as a gift. = >Also patterns of a Green Frog, Spring Peeper and American Toad for = >another friend. Any one have a pattern for any of these they'd like to = >share? >Thanks - Mary grapevin@execpc.com > >------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF2E8A.DE6097A0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
I am looking for an owl pattern = >to make for=20 >a friend to give as a gift.  Also patterns of a Green Frog, Spring = >Peeper=20 >and American Toad for another friend.  Any one have a pattern for = >any of=20 >these they'd like to share?
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Thanks  -  = >Mary   =20 >href=3D"mailto:grapevin@execpc.com">grapevin@execpc.comDIV> > >------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF2E8A.DE6097A0-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 19:10:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:13:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: PornXXX Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:04:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.16419.0> References: <<1999Nov14.10513.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Shirley wrote: > > Thanks for all your responses to my email concerning the spam but I must > tell you first off that maybe I have just been lucky, but I belong to and > have belonged to many listserves over the last 4 years (mainly genealogy) > and this is the first spam I have ever received so I was shocked. And > don't worry, I wouldn't keep my kids off the computer as I know they have > no interest in the porn sites (all teenage girls) but I have warned them > about giving out their email address or any other personal info as they > have already had one scare. I guess it is just that I know how incredibly > violated I feel when I am invaded by this kind of disgusting crap and maybe > because I am a woman it hits home harder and find that it "endangers my > mental health". And yes Mike, it is "that bad of spam" and "it is a big > deal". > Sincerely > Shirley > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass personally i've seen much, much, worse. this was very mild... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 19:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:17:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.161359.0> References: <<382F6C8C.42CB732B@ix.netcom.com>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Brad Walker wrote: > > As a parent with two children, I can understand the concern about pornography > and the internet. However, I'm not sure I understand the concern that a child > would find pornographic spam looking through YOUR e-mails. I certainly > wouldn't want my children looking over my shoulders at any of my e-mail > correspondence, and don't permit them to read my e-mail (pornographic or > otherwise). > > There are hundreds of sites which provide free e-mail boxes. Many of these > sites do a very good job of screening for unwanted spam and pornography. Some, > such as computermail.net, have strict anti-spamming policies and go to great > lengths to keep all spam out. Why not register your children on one of them > and show them how to get their own mail from their own box? Or, if you don't > want to set the kids up (maybe they're too young, or you want to read their > correspondence over their shoulders ), why not rejoin Bungi using one of > these free e-mail accounts and get your protection that way? > > For the record, I'm not endorsing computermail.net, nor do I have any financial > or other interest there. I just used it as the first family-oriented example > that popped up when I did a search for "Free e-mail" on Yahoo. Solving the > problem of your kids seeing unwanted e-mails is one of life's easier problems > to solve. For a list of free e-mail providers, try this link: > http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Internet_Services/Email_Providers/Free_Email/ > > Brad Walker > > Mary wrote: > > > I appreciate what Mike is trying to say about the spam not being such a big > > deal. However, for those parents who want to prevent our children from > > seeing pornography on the net, it's disturbing. I know it's not a common > > philosophy anymore to protect our kids from what's "out there", but I join > > Shirley in her effort to keep that sort of trash from kids' eyes. If you > > read that post again, you will see a reference to an act that would cause a > > child to question his parents, thereby forcing a parent to explain things > > that they may not be ready to know. We parents who feel so inclined, > > deserve our shot at preserving their innocence for as long as possible. > > There is plenty of time later on for them to know about the trashy side of > > life. > > > > Mary > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass regardles.... you still really can't truley stop it from coming in. children are going to be exposed to it sooner or later. and your going to have to figure out a way to stop it. they make software for this thing. though if a child really wants to see it, they can easily see it if they wanted too... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 19:50:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:34:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: nadinesfolly@erols.com To: "Toby" , glass@bungi.com Subject: re: NG: Meric and NEWSPAPERS!! Date: 14 Nov 99 22:33:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199911150340.WAA14294@smtp2.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Welcome Meric! Glad to hear you're doing well and keeping abreast of the news! I used to like to pour over the papers, too. Say hi to your mum--I really enjoyed her visit last summer! And keep in touch! Love, Babe www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 20:17:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:42:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: HardCore Adult XXX Porn Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:41:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.174158.0> References: <<1999Nov14.73524.0>> Precedence: bulk Just DELETE it and forget about it. Have a good night Goldpaws ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 20:43:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Mike Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Porn site Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:53:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.17532.0> References: <<1999Nov14.161359.0>> Precedence: bulk This is true. Any site you visit takes your 'footprint', if you will. What others do with your address is up to them, not you. This is unfortunate but it is just the way it is with some people being the good guys and others being the creeps. Tom : regardles.... you still really can't truley stop it from coming in. : children are going to be exposed to it sooner or later. and your going : to have to figure out a way to stop it. they make software for this : thing. though if a child really wants to see it, they can easily see it : if they wanted too... : ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 21:44:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:33:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!patrickkelly1 From: patrick kelly To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Change of email address Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:32:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Nov14.133220.0> Precedence: bulk Glenna, Please change my email address to patkel@n-link.com Thanks for all your hard work. Patrick Rosesa and Rainbows ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 14 23:21:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:46:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Internet, spam, etc. Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 01:44:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov14.20445.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BF2F0A.E676FF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Liz and others, This is what the Department of Justice has to say about the Internet and = pornography. In this instance they are referring to child porno. You = can see by reading this that others besides us are very concerned about = creeps using the Internet and spamming others with their goods. I'm not = trying to make any excuses for anyone, but this might give you an = insight into just how difficult it is to stop this garbage from being = sent in the first place. Like I said before, what works for me is to just delete the garbage = unless and after I forward the unopened, entire post to my ISP seeking = their help. There really isn't much more any individual can do short of = not getting on the Internet in the first place. That is something I am = not willing to negotiate, I will use the Internet but I will try and = control what I can in my tiny piece of my world. Regards, Tom CHILD PORNOGRAPHY VIA INTERNET The dissemination of child pornography over the Internet is of profound = concern to the U.S. Attorney's Office, the Department of Justice and our = communities at large. Until recently, those who trafficked child = pornography were hampered by the limitations and difficulties attendant = with duplicating and sharing these offensive materials without detection. The Internet has created a "virtual" shopping mall cloaked in = anonymity. With the advent of Internet technology, pedophiles can = duplicate, trade, share and barter at will with considerably less risk = of detection. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BF2F0A.E676FF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Liz and others,
 
This is what the Department of Justice has to say about the = Internet and=20 pornography.  In this instance they are referring to child = porno.  You=20 can see by reading this that others besides us are very concerned about = creeps=20 using the Internet and spamming others with their goods.  I'm not = trying to=20 make any excuses for anyone, but this might give you an insight into = just how=20 difficult it is to stop this garbage from being sent in the first = place.
 
Like I said before, what works for me is to just delete the garbage = unless=20 and after I forward the unopened, entire post to my ISP seeking their=20 help.  There really isn't much more any individual can do short of = not=20 getting on the Internet in the first place.  That is something I am = not=20 willing to negotiate, I will use the Internet but I will try and control = what I=20 can in my tiny piece of my world.
 
Regards,
Tom
 
 
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY VIA INTERNET
 
The dissemination of child pornography over the Internet is of = profound=20 concern to the U.S. Attorney's Office, the Department of Justice and our = communities at large. Until recently, those who trafficked child = pornography=20 were hampered by the limitations and difficulties attendant with = duplicating and=20 sharing these offensive materials without
detection. The Internet has = created=20 a "virtual" shopping mall cloaked in anonymity. With the advent of = Internet=20 technology, pedophiles can duplicate, trade, share and barter at will = with=20 considerably less risk of detection.
------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BF2F0A.E676FF80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 04:51:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 04:33:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: toby@northlights.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG: Meric and NEWSPAPERS!! Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:31:51 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov15.123151.0> Precedence: bulk This is cute.......Don't fret little one, the "Grouch " will give in sooner or later to such an adorable fellow as yourself.....Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 05:53:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 05:37:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Mary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Porn site Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:42:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.24231.0> References: <<1999Nov14.14113.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi all I know how everyone who has kids feels about guarding their innocence for as long as possible. Its bad enough what they are exposed to by other kids,so I'm just glad we live in the country where I still have more influence over my boys,than in town where they would be faced with all kinds of things. They grow up fast enough. Regards Gillian Mary wrote: > I appreciate what Mike is trying to say about the spam not being such a big > deal. However, for those parents who want to prevent our children from > seeing pornography on the net, it's disturbing. I know it's not a common > philosophy anymore to protect our kids from what's "out there", but I join > Shirley in her effort to keep that sort of trash from kids' eyes. If you > read that post again, you will see a reference to an act that would cause a > child to question his parents, thereby forcing a parent to explain things > that they may not be ready to know. We parents who feel so inclined, > deserve our shot at preserving their innocence for as long as possible. > There is plenty of time later on for them to know about the trashy side of > life. > > Mary > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 07:52:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:41:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: pattern Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:39:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.53925.0> Precedence: bulk I need a pattern for a police officer sun catcher. Appreciate any help. Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 08:53:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:21:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Any Latin Buffs? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:19:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov15.161938.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I am doing a repair to a small oval window. On the bottom is a banner that has been separated into two pieces. On one side are the words: SI C FIDE The SI word may be longer as it looks like it may disappear under one of the folds of the banner. The C stands by itself. And the FIDE is only part of a word that would have been continued on the other piece of glass had it not been broken out. Does anyone have any idea what this says, or might have said. I need to replace the missing piece, however I have no idea what it would have said. Also, can anyone recommend to me a good glass painter, someone that I could send the good side of the banner piece, and they can replicate what should be on the other side? I also accidentally deleted the link that someone sent a few days ago pertaining to lead absorbtion/toxicity etc... Thank you, Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 09:19:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:25:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Rita Tidwell" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pattern Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:22:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.02235.0> Precedence: bulk >>I need a pattern for a police officer sun catcher. Appreciate any help. >>Rita Your best bet might be a child's coloring book. Coloring books are great sources of cartoons that are just about ready made for stained glass. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 10:27:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:03:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Any Latin Buffs? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:01:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.213.0> Precedence: bulk >>Also, can anyone recommend to me a good glass painter, someone that I could send the good side of the banner piece, and they can replicate what should be on the other side?<< John Bera, San Marcos, CA, 760 744-9282, is a master glass painter and is frequently called on to duplicate old painted work from around the country. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 10:58:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:20:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Kauriee@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Any Latin Buffs? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:19:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.81912.0> References: <<1999Nov15.161938.0>> Precedence: bulk Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am doing a repair to a small oval window. On the bottom is a banner that > has been separated into two pieces. On one side are the words: > > SI C FIDE > Here's my guess: Sic Christus Fidelis --- which would mean something like: faithful to the way of the lord---(sorry, but I was once an altar boy) Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 11:31:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:21:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: policman pattern Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:20:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.52059.0> References: <<1999Nov15.02235.0>> Precedence: bulk I might have a coloring book with the picture of a policeman. I'll look and if I do I can scan it for you. You sure are good for ideas, Bob. ;o) I have the kids looking now. Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 15:27:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:05:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (no subject) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:10:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.121039.0> Precedence: bulk Well I guess I got my first flame! So to get back to glass based subjects, does anyone know where I can get more info on mini kilns for use in the microwave oven.I have one,but haven't used it yet for lack of info Regards Gillian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 17:38:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:59:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Anthony Higson Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: mini-kilns Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:56:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.145635.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Anthony Higson >know where I can get more info on mini kilns for use in the microwave oven.I have one,but haven't used it yet for lack of info < It seems like we have some info in the archives from previous threads about these mini-kilns. ....and something about them not being manufactured anymore because of a safety issue....? I don't recall exactly what was discussed. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 17:59:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:12:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Job glass (plaid) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov15.151043.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Family Account >So, anyone have any nifty design ideas for those plaid square things? (They come square...Gee, something I wouldn't have to cut!)< How's about in the border for panel lamps? That glass is expensive! Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 19:25:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:06:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Anthony Higson Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Microwave Kilns Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:04:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Nov15.11442.0> References: <<1999Nov15.121039.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Anthony: You asked where you could get more information on microwave kilns. Actually, there never has been a great deal of information on its use. If you search the archives you will come across a discussion bungi had on microwave kilns several years ago. I assume you have the 5 inch kiln? If so, you will need the fiber sheet cut to the size of the kiln platform...about 2 inch diameter. Place your glass to be fused in the center and microwave it for about 5 minutes. Time will vary...actually the hole in the top of the kiln will start to glow and from that point time your fusing about 45 seconds to 1 minute. Shut the microwave oven off and remove the kiln carefully and let it stand for about 15 minutes. This is the time for the glass to anneal. Take the top off being sure to turn the top outward...else a big burn spot on whatever it touches. I have given you an overview. If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 15 20:25:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:57:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!marybdaily From: "Mary B" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Unwanted e-mail Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:56:32 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov16.35632.0> Precedence: bulk Just delete the message and block the sender. Believe me, this group receives very little spam. Good job! 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You will be automatical enter into our Remove Databases after this mailing. ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 04:57:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:28:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Microwave Kilns Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:33:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.13341.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Dear Peggy Thank you for the kiln information. I'm much clearer about how to use it now. All I have to do is buy a microwave for my kiln use Regards Gillian Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > Hi Anthony: You asked where you could get more information on microwave > kilns. Actually, there never has been a great deal of information on its > use. If you search the archives you will come across a discussion bungi > had on microwave kilns several years ago. > > I assume you have the 5 inch kiln? If so, you will need the fiber sheet > cut to the size of the kiln platform...about 2 inch diameter. Place your > glass to be fused in the center and microwave it for about 5 minutes. > Time will vary...actually the hole in the top of the kiln will start to > glow and from that point time your fusing about 45 seconds to 1 minute. > > Shut the microwave oven off and remove the kiln carefully and let it stand > for about 15 minutes. This is the time for the glass to anneal. Take the > top off being sure to turn the top outward...else a big burn spot on > whatever it touches. I have given you an overview. If you have > questions, don't hesitate to ask. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 05:27:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 05:04:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:03:54 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov16.13354.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/13/99 9:49:53 AM, thomm@vnet.net writes: >Lead is not airborne that I know of. It sure is! It's in the flux fumes when you solder, and in the whiting dust that gets into the air when you're puttying (and it will, no matter how careful you are "not to throw dust around"), and in the fine dust that gets thrown off when you use a chop saw on came....... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 07:05:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:30:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ukonline.co.uk!brian.shepherd From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:29:15 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.142915.0> References: <<1999Nov16.13354.0>> Precedence: bulk You saw lead came? BtB > > In a message dated 11/13/99 9:49:53 AM, thomm@vnet.net writes: > > >Lead is not airborne that I know of. > > It sure is! It's in the flux fumes when you solder, and in the whiting dust > that gets into the air when you're puttying (and it will, no matter how > careful you are "not to throw dust around"), and in the fine dust that gets > thrown off when you use a chop saw on came....... > > > Sparks > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 08:07:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:50:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG lost my address book Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:51:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.3510.0> Precedence: bulk I got a new computer Sunday, and lost my address book in the switch. So, if you are someone I ever email, or you ever want me to ;o) I no longer have your address. Please email me? (offlist of course) Thanks Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 10:09:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:37:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:36:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.73624.0> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:36 PM Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures : : >Lead is not airborne that I know of. : : : It sure is! It's in the flux fumes when you solder, and in the whiting : dust : : that gets into the air when you're puttying (and it will, no matter : how : : careful you are "not to throw dust around"), and in the fine dust that : gets : : thrown off when you use a chop saw on came....... : : Sparks : : I was afraid that was the case, I just didn't know as I said. : : Has anyone here ever used the Hakko air filters to solder with? I've : seen them in my GlassCraftsman magazine, went to their website and : looked at the different kinds they offer for sale through a distributor. : I really want to protect myself and my lungs from these fumes if : possible. I hate to think of more memory loss, this time due to lead : toxicity. I don't own a lead chop saw. For me, it's just as easy to : cut lead came with my cutting pliers. : : Thanks in advance for info on the Hakko machines. : : Tom - NC : : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 11:32:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:58:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: Tom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:57:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.65724.0> References: <<1999Nov16.73624.0>> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know the particlel size of airborne lead dust??? I've done some "scouring" in some OSHA site but can't seem to find reference to lead...other things, just not lead. Tom wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures > > : : >Lead is not airborne that I know of. > : > : : It sure is! It's in the flux fumes when you solder, and in the > whiting > : dust > : : that gets into the air when you're puttying (and it will, no matter > : how > : : careful you are "not to throw dust around"), and in the fine dust > that > : gets > : : thrown off when you use a chop saw on came....... > : : Sparks > : > : I was afraid that was the case, I just didn't know as I said. > : > : Has anyone here ever used the Hakko air filters to solder with? I've > : seen them in my GlassCraftsman magazine, went to their website and > : looked at the different kinds they offer for sale through a > distributor. > : I really want to protect myself and my lungs from these fumes if > : possible. I hate to think of more memory loss, this time due to lead > : toxicity. I don't own a lead chop saw. For me, it's just as easy to > : cut lead came with my cutting pliers. > : > : Thanks in advance for info on the Hakko machines. > : > : Tom - NC > : > : > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 13:33:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:17:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" , "Walden, Kit" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Respirator Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:13:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.51358.0> References: <<30B95294A8B8D211BD5000203541229F01412709@mail.aoc.state.ky.us>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Originally I got it through Lee Valley Tools, though it appears they are not carrying it any more. I get replacement hoods and filters through my local safety equipment supplier and I know they carry the full unit also, though I am not sure of their pricing. Although everything still comes with the "Racal" label, it would appear from a quick search of the Internet that Racal has now been bought out by 3M? You can view the Racal products page on the 3M website at http://www.mmm.com/market/safety/ohes2/racal/products.htm . You might also do searches on PAPR (Powered Air Purifying Respirator) and HEPA (High Efficiency Particle Arresting) which are the acronyms for these types of respirators. These are also the specific OSHA and CSA terms you should be looking for if you are shopping in a store. I would really like to recommend to everyone that you find a good safety equipment supplier in your local area. Home Depot is great for a lot of things, but these people are NOT trained in any way, shape or form in safety and health issues. I have had significant amounts of bad safety information from Home Depot and other home supply stores. When you are dealing with your personal safety and health, bad information is potentially worse than no information at all. Bad safety equipment may give you a false sense of security without any real protection. Since you have a false sense of security, you may take additional risks or increase your exposure. This is one case where dealing with an expert is well worth a small additional cost. And really - I have not found the costs to be much higher anyway. Most safety equipment suppliers deal with industrial company purchasers who are paid to find a good price. Most of the safety equipment suppliers I have dealt with offer good solid equipment with good testing to back it up. And most of the time they seem to offer it at a good average reasonable price too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Walden, Kit To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:21 PM Subject: RE: Respirator > Hi Tim, > > Do you know where I might find one of these hoods? Is Racal available at > Home Depot, or have a web page or an 800 number? I'd appreciate any help > finding something useful and I think a hood might be the way to go. > > thanks in advance > > kit > > Kit Walden > Tuilelaith's Stained Glass > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim & Adriana Atwood [SMTP:atwoods@aisl.bc.ca] > > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:09 PM > > To: Bungi > > Subject: Re: Resperiator > > > > Check under "Safety Equipment" in your yellow pages. Anyone listed there > > be able to answer questions about ratings, comfort, designs > > available, etc. And they carry exactly what you want. > > > > As with anything, there are always bad safety equipment suppliers. That > > is > > why I put in brackets. Most bad safety equipment suppliers get > > sued pretty quick and disappear, but you never know. So check around if > > you > > are not comfortable with the answers you are getting. > > > > Personally, I use a "positive air flow" type filter with disposable hoods > > (air is forced through the filter by a little battery operated unit > > attached > > to a belt then through a hose attached to a hood around your face). About > > the only type that works with a beard. Of course "Kathy" probably does > > not > > have this problem :-). Made by Racal. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kathy > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 7:37 PM > > Subject: Resperiator > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Does anyone know of, and or where to get, a resperiator that works for > > > lead and flux. > > > I've checked the local automotive places, but I don't think they have > > > anything to offer that really works for what I need. I need a quality > > > one. I'll be using it at work and at home. I believe I've gone without > > > one long enough. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 16:03:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:50:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "igga bungi" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: ng good poem Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:53:58 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.35358.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01BF306C.52A7E7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: ByrdaH@aol.com To: Loydeepop@cs.com ; dduncan@wesnet.com ; Cinsible@aol.com ; Rfannin@hsnp.com ; Bruce.Hart@macsch.com ; Jeffhart@wesnet.com ; Hartkv@aol.com ; Jhartfelder@symvionics.com ; Gresan1078@aol.com ; Jajjrk5@aol.com ; loveall@ruraltek.com ; WRLMoms@aol.com ; BDLAS@aol.com ; JLROOKIE@yahoo.com ; Malcowen@aol.com ; Reid.d@juno.com ; glassx@bardstown.com ; dbsa1@netzero.net ; Rockwell@fiamg.net ; Casalmom@yahoo.com ; DLSDAR@aol.com ; Rtdwkr897@aol.com ; cwilkey@graphtronics.net Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:48 AM Subject: Fwd: message >This is a pretty neat poem. Read it and if you like it, send it on. Byrda > >In a message dated 11/15/99 10:36:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jrmccracken@earthlink.net writes: > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01BF306C.52A7E7C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: message Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v62.15) with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:36:03 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (v63.6) with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:35:49 -0500 Received: from earthlink.net (ip28.dayton5.oh.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.181.28]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21586; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:35:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3830D0D1.9C4BC592@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:34:42 -0500 From: "James R. McCracken" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Eggleston , Byrda Hart , Dan Schiavone , Debra Ann Warner , Eric Loomis , Helen Deitriech , Jack Kovacs , Jim Riddell , Jon VanHoose Subject: message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, This came to me via one of my nieces - it gives me hope - she is 23 years old. Jim This should make us all think of what we so often take for granted. Although none of us want to contemplate the idea of it, we should still remember that it's what has helped us to remain fortunate and free. You might consider it corny, you might consider it in poor taste, you might even consider it to be the perpetuation of evil. Lest we not forget that, as a result of some twisted mind, it sometimes becomes necessary that we defend our culture. At the very least it should make you think. --------------------------------------------------- TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, HE LIVED ALL ALONE, IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF PLASTER AND STONE. I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE, AND TO SEE JUST WHO IN THIS HOME DID LIVE. I LOOKED ALL ABOUT, A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE, NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS, NOT EVEN A TREE. NO STOCKING BY MANTLE, JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND, ON THE WALL HUNG PICTURES OF FAR DISTANT LANDS. WITH MEDALS AND BADGES, AWARDS OF ALL KINDS, A SOBER THOUGHT CAME THROUGH MY MIND. FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT, IT WAS DARK AND DREARY, I FOUND THE HOME OF A SOLDIER, ONCE I COULD SEE CLEARLY. THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING, SILENT, ALONE, CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME. THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE, THE ROOM IN SUCH DISORDER, NOT HOW I PICTURED A UNITED STATES SOLDIER. WAS THIS THE HERO OF WHOM I'D JUST READ? CURLED UP ON A PONCHO, THE FLOOR FOR A BED? I REALIZED THE FAMILIES THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT, OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT. SOON ROUND THE WORLD, THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY, AND GROWNUPS WOULD CELEBRATE A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY. THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS, LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE. I COULDN'T HELP WONDER HOW MANY LAY ALONE, ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME. THE VERY THOUGHT BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE, I DROPPED TO MY KNEES AND STARTED TO CRY. THE SOLDIER AWAKENED AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE, "SANTA DON'T CRY, THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE; I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM, I DON'T ASK FOR MORE, MY LIFE IS MY GOD, MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS. " THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER AND DRIFTED TO SLEEP, I COULDN'T CONTROL IT, I CONTINUED TO WEEP. I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS, SO SILENT AND STILL AND WE BOTH SHIVERED FROM THE COLD NIGHT'S CHILL. I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT, THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR SO WILLING TO FIGHT. THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER, WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE, WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA, IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE." ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH, AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT. "MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT." This poem was written by a Marine stationed in Okinawa Japan. The Following is his request. I think it is reasonable..... PLEASE. Would you do me the kind favor of sending this to as many people as you can? Christmas will be coming soon and some credit is due to our U.S. service men and women for our being able to celebrate these festivities.------ ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01BF306C.52A7E7C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 18:09:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:54:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:52:31 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov17.15231.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 99-11-16 08:28:28 EST, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << >Lead is not airborne that I know of. It sure is! It's in the flux fumes when you solder, and in the whiting dust that gets into the air when you're puttying (and it will, no matter how careful you are "not to throw dust around"), and in the fine dust that gets thrown off when you use a chop saw on came....... >> That is patently not true about the flux fumes! Lead will vapoize at around 1100 degrees.; you will not be getting anywhere near that with your soldering iron, if you are smart. You can choose an iron which will only get to 7 or 800 degrees, which is pu-lenty hot enough. The dust will get airborne when you clean if you use a vaccuum, so, what you do is damp mop, and damp dust to keep the dust from floating. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 19:09:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:51:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Photo resists Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:50:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.14506.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All... Who out there uses photo resists and what kind do you use?? I just bought the Letralite starter package from Rayzist.. Got tired of cutting resist by hand! Anyway the Rayzist stuff has to be glued onto the glass... I notice that Photbrasive sells a self stick photo resist for just a little more... Is this easier to use? Just curious... Byron... Wells Glaswworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 20:41:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:12:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glazing Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:09:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.18952.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am creating a panel for installation in an interior wall of an office. The customer is = concerned that someone might inadvertently or intentionally, isnt that interesting, bump, knock or punch the window. So among other questions this raises, is that of what is the appropriate protective glazing for a hallway panel? And for that matter what is the recommended protective glazing for exterior windows? Glass, Lexan, Plastic???? Hired security personnel???? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com Tuesday, November 16, 1999 = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 21:44:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:26:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: gcanvas@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glazing Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:24:12 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov17.52412.0> Precedence: bulk Well jim, I wonder, if the client is concerned about someone punching the panel, maybe iron bars are what's needed in his office. Lexan, while tough, will yellow, eventually, and may inhibit the beauty of the panel, viv a vis, reflection, glare, etc. depending on existing lighting. Silly as it sounds, the answer might be do design a piece with mostly small lites, as opposed to large glass areas, using the protective aspect of tightly melded came or copper foil, to avoid cuts, if one should punch the wall. fwiw Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 22:11:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:40:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!gmacfarland From: gmacfarland@juno.com To: balloch@netbridge.net Subject: Re: Please participate in my poll Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:32:03 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov17.5323.0> References: <<1999Nov4.62235.0>> Precedence: bulk when I first think of cherubs I see white wings. Not very exciting am I. You could us iridized white. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 22:33:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:57:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Karen" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kiln talk Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:54:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.135428.0> Precedence: bulk Karen, Floral formers are somewhat limited in what they can do. An 18" diameter kiln could only produce a vase of about 7.5" in height. Also the vase would always have several deep folds running from top to bottom. The glass folds rather than stretches. These vases are nice but in my experience best confined to super poured wax candle holder size. A wall mounted Pagagon Touch-n-fire is more like US$650.00 which is little more than what a kiln mounted controller costs. I am getting three loads of bent glass lamp panels out of my kiln today thanks to the digital controller. Could never do that if I had to tend the kiln. We are doing glass here and not ceramics. Because the modern glass movement grew out of ceramics there is a tendency to carry things over. It is hard to screw up a ceramics firing and so cones or eyeballs work fine. Not true with glass. Glass is more sensitive to heat than any cake I ever baked. Fused and then slumped a platter three layers thick and 14" X 26" last week. Heating or cooling glass this large and thick says that the max rate below the strain point should not exceed 100'F per hour. What with 23 and 21 hour firing schedules for each of the required firing programs I simply could not have done the job in two days without the controller. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 22:48:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:16:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "James C. Kelly" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glazing Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:13:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.141337.0> Precedence: bulk >>And for that matter what is the recommended protective glazing for exterior windows? Glass, Lexan, Plastic???? Hired security personnel???? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim << I like tempered glass on the outside. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 16 23:52:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:21:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glazing Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 02:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.211558.0> References: <<1999Nov16.141337.0>> Precedence: bulk Me, too. Tom : >>And for that matter what is : the recommended protective : glazing for exterior windows? : Glass, Lexan, Plastic???? : Hired security personnel???? : Thanks in advance for any help. : Jim : << : I : like : tempered : glass : on : the : outside. : : Bob : in : 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 01:27:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:46:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usamerica.com!ken From: Ken Emmer To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Slumping Glass for Detail Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:19:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.231912.0> Precedence: bulk I'm making a ceramic casting. Over that casting I will slump a glass plate hoping to get good flow down to the crevices and achieving fine detail. Has anyone had this experience, maybe to share some insights? Ken Emmer ken@usamerica.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 03:59:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:36:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glazing Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:32:29 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.113229.0> Precedence: bulk At 23:09 16/11/99 -0500, Jim Kelly wrote: >Hi all, >I am creating a panel for installation in an interior wall of an office. The customer is concerned that someone might inadvertently or intentionally, isnt that interesting, bump, knock or punch the window. >So among other questions this raises, is that of what is the appropriate protective glazing for a hallway panel? >And for that matter what is the recommended protective glazing for exterior windows? >Glass, Lexan, Plastic???? >Hired security personnel???? >Thanks in advance for any help. You MUST contact your local planning department to find out just what rules are being applied in YOUR area as regards safety glazing and stained glass installations in a hallway on commercial premises. Regulations differ as to what is acceptable across the world and even between adjacent towns in the UK at least. You dont want to recommend something to the customer that wont be accepted by the fire department or the Health and Safety inspectors! Could be expensive if he came back to you and made you correct any mis-guidance you gave him at your own cost - or worse if there was an accident and your suggestion was held to prove your liability for damages. DONT accept what other people suggest worked for them as being legal UNLESS it co-incides with what your local authority will allow or you could end up in the wrong - and have to spend time and money fighting your case against the big guns of the authorities and their insurance companies. Not wanting to alarm you unnecessarily - but better to say you cant advise on this matter and make your customer find out what is required for himself if you cant be positive any suggestion you make will hold up in court later. And DO make sure your own insurance covers you for any contingencies where you might be held liable. Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 05:00:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:23:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 8" Brass rings Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:22:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Nov17.22235.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I can find 8" Brass rings? I've tried our stained glass supplier & they recommended a craft store, they don't have them at the only craft store I know of in Westchester NY (Franks Nursery & Crafts). Thanks in advance for your help. Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 05:25:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:32:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: ken@usamerica.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Slumping Glass for Detail Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:26:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov17.122614.0> Precedence: bulk HI Ken, My experience with slumping, and all thatI've read, leads me to say that you'll need to have at least 1'\4" think glass to get your detail. Another thing to consider would be that you definitly don't have any undercuts, which would certainly cause the mold as well as the glass to fail. Also bring the temp up slowly enough to avoid breaking that bottom piece of glass, if there are two, and let it get hot enough to flow at the other end. Keep trying. Whaterver your outcome you are sure to learn something about glass. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 05:53:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:15:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:10:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov17.13106.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/16/99 10:06:28 AM, brian.shepherd@ukonline.co.uk writes: >You saw lead came? Not the ordinary ("pure lead") kind, but I shudder to think of trying to do production work with brass-capped lead (which we're using a lot of these days in cabinet door inserts), or the stiff heavyweight stuff used for framing larger panels (which isn't pure lead; I don't know what's in it to make it hard, but it doesn't cut with dykes or a knife), or the "heart of brass" reinforced came (which we use occasionally), without it. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 06:29:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:28:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:26:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov17.13266.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/16/99 8:52:31 PM, MATRONA writes: >That is patently not true about the flux fumes! >Lead will vapoize at around 1100 degrees.; you will not be getting anywhere >near that with your soldering iron, if you are smart. You can choose an >iron which will only get to 7 or 800 degrees, which is pu-lenty hot enough. Sorry, but there certainly *IS* lead in those flux fumes, which are a mixture of gases and liquids. You don't "boil" the lead per se, but the flux dissolves a small amount of the lead, and when you touch it with a hot iron (even if it's only hot enough to boil the flux without melting your solder), the flux boils off and spits fine droplets of lead-carrying liquid into the air too. Some of those droplets are in the micron range, small enough to stay suspended in the air long enough for you to breathe them in. It's those micron-range dusts and aerosols (suspended liquid "particles") that are the big problem. Sparks Vader ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 06:31:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:36:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: alipea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 8" Brass rings Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:40:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.24036.0> References: <<1999Nov17.22235.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi, I get 8" brass rings at White Rose here in Ontario,but you could try Michael's. I'm sure they would have them. Regards Gillian alipea wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find 8" Brass rings? > > I've tried our stained glass supplier & they recommended a craft store, > they don't have them at the only craft store I know of in Westchester NY > (Franks Nursery & Crafts). > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Ali > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 07:00:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:38:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: MATRONA@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:40:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov16.21406.0> References: <<1999Nov17.15231.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk MATRONA@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-11-16 08:28:28 EST, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > > << > >Lead is not airborne that I know of. > > It sure is! It's in the flux fumes when you solder, and in the whiting dust > that gets into the air when you're puttying (and it will, no matter how > careful you are "not to throw dust around"), and in the fine dust that gets > thrown off when you use a chop saw on came....... > >> > That is patently not true about the flux fumes! > Lead will vapoize at around 1100 degrees.; you will not be getting anywhere > near that with your soldering iron, if you are smart. You can choose an iron > which will only get to 7 or 800 degrees, which is pu-lenty hot enough. > The dust will get airborne when you clean if you use a vaccuum, so, what you > do is damp mop, and damp dust to keep the dust from floating. The flux used for soldering in stained glass work is dilute aqueous hydrochloric acid. Commercial grade muriatic acid is 20% hydrochloric acid. On the surface of the solder or lead came : Pb(elemental) + HCl(aq) ---> PbCl Lead Chloride (PbCl) undergoes thermal degradation at a rather low temperature to emit lead containing fumes (aka 'airborne lead'). The quantities involved in sg work are low so exposure by these means are not high, but this does happen. Absorption of lead into the body should be minimized as it has a well-known array of toxic effects affecting particularly the nervous system. The half-life of lead in the body is around 12 years. [I could be wrong on the exact number for lead, all my reference books are 10,000 miles away.] You will eventually get rid of all the lead in your body, but in the meantime limited exposure is a good idea. [This last sentence is a bit understated.] Virtually all metals are attacked by mineral acids. Lead is a metal. Hydrochloric acid is a mineral acid. This is elementary high school chemistry. More detailed information can probably be found on the web, certainly in your local public library. Look up : Lead Lead Chloride Gotta go ... regards ... Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 07:31:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ukonline.co.uk!brian.shepherd From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.15731.0> References: <<1999Nov17.13106.0>> Precedence: bulk Ah - That makes sense! Of course you saw lead! BtB > > In a message dated 11/16/99 10:06:28 AM, brian.shepherd@ukonline.co.uk writes: > > >You saw lead came? > > Not the ordinary ("pure lead") kind, but I shudder to think of trying to do > production work with brass-capped lead (which we're using a lot of these days > in cabinet door inserts), or the stiff heavyweight stuff used for framing > larger panels (which isn't pure lead; I don't know what's in it to make it > hard, but it doesn't cut with dykes or a knife), or the "heart of brass" > reinforced came (which we use occasionally), without it. > > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 10:03:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:32:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "alipea" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 8" Brass rings Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:30:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.13051.0> Precedence: bulk >>Does anyone know where I can find 8" Brass rings?<< Make your own from brazing rod. Bend around a tin can or whatever is the right diameter. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 12:06:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:46:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:MATRONA@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:44:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.94415.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:MATRONA@aol.com > >> That is patently not true about the flux fumes! Lead will vapoize at around 1100 degrees.; < It is true, and there are some marvelous lectures in the bungi archives written by our resident health and safety expert, Monona Rossol... also, if I recall, some comments as to the general uselessness of many respirators. If anyone has time, that would be the place to get the true poop. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 12:40:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:48:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bob Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glazing Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:44:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.94419.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bob Duchesneau" > I like = tempered glass on the outside.< Now, Bob, if you would just sign up with compuserve, you wouldn't have to try so hard! LOL. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 12:40:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:48:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bob Duchesneau" , Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kiln talk Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.94417.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bob Duchesneau" >than any cake I ever baked. < .... what kinda cake? Best regards, Dani Greer (who's dieting....) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 12:53:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:26:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Fw: cool 5th grade class project Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:23:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.42348.0> Precedence: bulk How about helping these kids. Just reply to the address. And if you are worried about spammers, don't reply. class5a1999@yahoo.com Personally, if it helps a child learn a little about something, I will put up with a little spammer. Notice that this email is addressed as Blind Copy, so your address is not seen by others. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 10:03 AM Subject: cool 5th grade class project > > >>We are in Grade 5 at Bill Arp Elementary School in Douglasville, GA > > >>which is about 20 minutes west of Atlanta, GA., USA. We have decided to > > >>map an email project. We are curious to see where in the world our email > > >>will travel by internet between the period of Sept. 21 - Nov. 19, 1999. > > >>We would like your help.=DD If you receive this message, we ask that you > > >>do these two things: > > >>1) Email us and tell us your location so that we can plot it on our > > >>world map. > > >>2) Forward this letter to as many people as you can. > > >> > > >>Thank you for any help that you can give. > > >> > > >>Our email address is class5a1999@yahoo.com > > >>mailto:class5a1999@yahoo.com > > >> > > >>Hope to hear from you soon! > > >> > > >>Your friends, > > >>Mr. Blevins' Gr. 5 Class > > >>Bill Arp Elementary School > > >>Douglasville, GA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 13:28:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:42:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.104117.0> References: <<1999Nov17.94415.0>> Precedence: bulk Well, I don't want any poop! ;) I'm am thinking of buying the Hakko HJ3100 Fume Extraction System. Does anyone own this unit? I believe it's a brand new style, I seem to be having a hard time locating one from the studio I use. Tom : Message text written by INTERNET:MATRONA@aol.com : > >> : That is patently not true about the flux fumes! : Lead will vapoize at around 1100 degrees.; < : : It is true, and there are some marvelous lectures : in the bungi archives written by our resident health : and safety expert, Monona Rossol... also, if I recall, : some comments as to the general uselessness of : many respirators. If anyone has time, that would be : the place to get the true poop. : : Best regards, : : Dani Greer : Greer Gallery & Studios : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 13:52:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:44:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:42:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.104253.0> References: <<1999Nov17.94415.0>> Precedence: bulk Does Greer Studios have a web page? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Dani Greer To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 2:44 PM Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures : Message text written by INTERNET:MATRONA@aol.com : > >> : That is patently not true about the flux fumes! : Lead will vapoize at around 1100 degrees.; < : : It is true, and there are some marvelous lectures : in the bungi archives written by our resident health : and safety expert, Monona Rossol... also, if I recall, : some comments as to the general uselessness of : many respirators. If anyone has time, that would be : the place to get the true poop. : : Best regards, : : Dani Greer : Greer Gallery & Studios : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 14:02:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:53:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: soldering fumes, Hakko Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:51:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.105152.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF3113.AAB6A760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is what Hakko Corporation has to say about soldering fumes. I = think I'll trust them. ..........Tom http://www.hakkousa.com/Products/hj3080.htm Hakko Corporation is an ISO 9001 certified manufacturer HEALTH HAZARDS DUE TO SOLDER SMOKE Soldering work involves both metallic and organic compounds. Solder and = fluxes release formaldehyde and hydrazine, which can be carcinogenic at = sufficient concentrations. Solder smoke and flux fumes are unhealthy, = unpleasant and irritating to the nose, throat and lungs. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF3113.AAB6A760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is what Hakko Corporation has to say about soldering=20 fumes.  I think I'll trust them.     =20 ..........Tom
 
http://www.hakkousa.= com/Products/hj3080.htm
 
Hakko Corporation is an
   ISO 9001=20 certified
     manufacturer
 
            =    =20     HEALTH HAZARDS DUE TO SOLDER SMOKE
Soldering work = involves=20 both metallic and organic compounds. Solder and fluxes release = formaldehyde=20 and hydrazine, which can be carcinogenic at sufficient = concentrations.=20 Solder smoke and flux fumes are unhealthy,  unpleasant and = irritating=20 to the nose, throat and lungs.
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF3113.AAB6A760-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 14:16:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:29:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tom" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:28:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.11289.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tom" >Does Greer Studios have a web page?< Yup, but just the standard IGGA one. Stop and visit us.... http://www.igga.org/greer/ We do mostly church windows. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 14:28:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:37:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: cool 5th grade class project Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:30:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.113010.0> Precedence: bulk frankly, what this teaches little kids is that there are consequences to their actions, and not all of those consequences are ones to be desired. what will happen is that, for the next umpteen years, this will circulate around the internet. this will cause the user's mailbox to overflow and bounce mail, and will eventually cause yahoo to terminate their subscriber's mailbox. at that point, everyone's mail will have to bounce, thus doubling the amount of traffic for this on the internet when the mail has to be rerouted to the originator. i'd say, after the first 100,000 pieces of mail, they would stop reading them. it is really a stupid idea to set up, let alone pass along, this email. perhaps one would remember the dying kid in ireland who wanted postcards from all over the world to break a guinness world record? it's been about 10 years now, they still haven't stopped coming, the kid is in fact alive and well, and his local postmaster wishes that it never happened. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt [mailto:computerministry@unitytustin.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 1:24 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient@daver.bungi.com:; Subject: Fw: cool 5th grade class project How about helping these kids. Just reply to the address. And if you are worried about spammers, don't reply. class5a1999@yahoo.com Personally, if it helps a child learn a little about something, I will put up with a little spammer. Notice that this email is addressed as Blind Copy, so your address is not seen by others. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 10:03 AM Subject: cool 5th grade class project > > >>We are in Grade 5 at Bill Arp Elementary School in Douglasville, GA > > >>which is about 20 minutes west of Atlanta, GA., USA. We have decided to > > >>map an email project. We are curious to see where in the world our email > > >>will travel by internet between the period of Sept. 21 - Nov. 19, 1999. > > >>We would like your help.=DD If you receive this message, we ask that you > > >>do these two things: > > >>1) Email us and tell us your location so that we can plot it on our > > >>world map. > > >>2) Forward this letter to as many people as you can. > > >> > > >>Thank you for any help that you can give. > > >> > > >>Our email address is class5a1999@yahoo.com > > >>mailto:class5a1999@yahoo.com > > >> > > >>Hope to hear from you soon! > > >> > > >>Your friends, > > >>Mr. Blevins' Gr. 5 Class > > >>Bill Arp Elementary School > > >>Douglasville, GA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 15:05:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: soldering fumes, Hakko Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:28:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.122816.0> Precedence: bulk in this case i might agree, but in general, why would you believe a manufacturer of equipment in their statements when they have so much invested in selling you something? i think i'd want some independent statements from non-biased sources, rather than just blindly taking a manufacturers' word for it. regards, charlie phx, az ps: also tom, please turn off the mime and html. makes it really hard to read by lots of people. -----Original Message----- From: Tom [mailto:thomm@vnet.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 1:52 PM To: glassbungi Subject: soldering fumes, Hakko This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF3113.AAB6A760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is what Hakko Corporation has to say about soldering fumes. I = think I'll trust them. ..........Tom http://www.hakkousa.com/Products/hj3080.htm Hakko Corporation is an ISO 9001 certified manufacturer HEALTH HAZARDS DUE TO SOLDER SMOKE Soldering work involves both metallic and organic compounds. Solder and = fluxes release formaldehyde and hydrazine, which can be carcinogenic at = sufficient concentrations. Solder smoke and flux fumes are unhealthy, = unpleasant and irritating to the nose, throat and lungs. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF3113.AAB6A760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is what Hakko Corporation has to say about soldering=20 fumes.  I think I'll trust them.     =20 ..........Tom
 
http://www.hakkousa.= com/Products/hj3080.htm
 
Hakko Corporation is an
   ISO 9001=20 certified
     manufacturer
 
            =    =20     HEALTH HAZARDS DUE TO SOLDER SMOKE
Soldering work = involves=20 both metallic and organic compounds. Solder and fluxes release = formaldehyde=20 and hydrazine, which can be carcinogenic at sufficient = concentrations.=20 Solder smoke and flux fumes are unhealthy,  unpleasant and = irritating=20 to the nose, throat and lungs.
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF3113.AAB6A760-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 15:33:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:50:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Yard stakes Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:43:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.12431.0> Precedence: bulk I made a yard stake. It's the kind that is wrought iron with a large circle on top. I made a circular butterfly to place inside. The question I have is this: how do I secure the glass to the wrought iron? It certainly doesn't solder, so I can only think of using something like E6000 glue. Is that the best solution? Thanks in advance, Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 15:42:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:28:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Ken Emmer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Slumping Glass for Detail Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:26:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.122647.0> References: <<1999Nov16.231912.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Ken Emmer wrote: > > I'm making a ceramic casting. Over that casting I will slump a glass plate > hoping to get good flow down to the crevices and achieving fine detail. > > Has anyone had this experience, maybe to share some insights? > > Ken Emmer > ken@usamerica.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've made small things. i have an article on my page http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ in the tips or skycity section. it works well if it's horizontal. and if it has fine detail. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 17:43:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:06:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Tom" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.9313.0> Precedence: bulk >>I'm am thinking of buying the Hakko HJ3100 Fume Extraction System. Does anyone own this unit? I believe it's a brand new style, I seem to be having a hard time locating one from the studio I use.<< I just found my literature on the Hakko HJ3100 that I picked up at Expo 99 in Vegas in March. At that time the machine had not been priced by the manufacturer but talk with the demonstrator indicated that it would go in the $800.00 range. Seemed like a lot of money for a bread board vacuum system with OSHA filters and a small hood assembly instead of a cleaning brush on the sucking end. If you were careful you could solder suncatchers and catch a high percentage of the fumes but most SG projects are far to large for catching the soldering fumes with this unit. It moves 180 CF per minute with both nozzles open. With only one nozzle open it only moves 100 CF per minute but the suction is stronger. This would be with new filters. Not very impressive says I. Anyway Hakko is at http://www.hakkousa.com I say make yourself a hood, get up the courage to cut a hole in an outside wall and install an exhaust fan. Total cost about $100.00 plus labor. Also does not require expensive filter replacement on a frequent basis. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 18:04:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:12:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: alipea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 8" Brass rings Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.15543.0> References: <<1999Nov17.22235.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk alipea wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can find 8" Brass rings? > > I've tried our stained glass supplier & they recommended a craft store, > they don't have them at the only craft store I know of in Westchester NY > (Franks Nursery & Crafts). > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Ali > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've seen them in almost every craft store. i think it's in the macrame (sp), section. or the misc. area. i've seen it in michael's, pearl, some local stores. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 18:28:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:43:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: FW: cool 5th grade class project Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:42:08 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.1428.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/17/1999 5:30:02 PM EST, Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com writes: > > it is really a stupid idea to set up, let alone pass along, this email. > > perhaps one would remember the dying kid in ireland who wanted postcards > from all over the world to break a guinness world record? it's been about 10 > years now, they still haven't stopped coming, the kid is in fact alive and > well, and his local postmaster wishes that it never happened. > ======================================== And while a person probably only has great intentions, i absolutely hate the e-mails that call for sympathy for some poor deserving child. One recently asked folks to send 7 cents. Now does that seem like good wil for a kid or the person who sent out that note? I never respond to those, ( my neice is constantly sending them over to me, or the ones who invite you to send some darn thing out to ten other people. I HATE THAT STUFF!.. well sorry, i guess i just lost it there for a moment. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 18:32:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:29:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:27:30 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.12730.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/17/1999 9:30:32 AM EST, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > > > In a message dated 11/16/99 8:52:31 PM, MATRONA writes: > > >That is patently not true about the flux fumes! > >Lead will vapoize at around 1100 degrees.; you will not be getting > anywhere > >near that with your soldering iron, if you are smart. You can choose an > >iron which will only get to 7 or 800 degrees, which is pu-lenty hot enough. > > Sorry, but there certainly *IS* lead in those flux fumes, which are a > mixture > of gases and liquids. You don't "boil" the lead per se, but the flux > dissolves a small amount of the lead, and when you touch it with a hot iron > (even if it's only hot enough to boil the flux without melting your solder), > > the flux boils off and spits fine droplets of lead-carrying liquid into the > air too. Some of those droplets are in the micron range, small enough to > stay > suspended in the air long enough for you to breathe them in. It's those > micron-range dusts and aerosols (suspended liquid "particles") that are the > big problem. > > > Sparks Vade------------------------------------------------ Mea culpa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 18:53:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:56:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: ezbongo2@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:26:15 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.12615.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/17/1999 8:38:21 AM EST, ezbongo2@pacbell.net writes: > The flux used for soldering in stained glass work is dilute aqueous > hydrochloric > acid. Commercial grade muriatic acid is 20% hydrochloric acid. > > On the surface of the solder or lead came : > > Pb(elemental) + HCl(aq) ---> PbCl > > Lead Chloride (PbCl) undergoes thermal degradation at a rather low > temperature to > emit lead containing fumes (aka 'airborne lead'). > > The quantities involved in sg work are low so exposure by these means are > not > high, but this does happen --------------------------------------------------------------------- But why use that stuff when you can use oleic acid or even better stearic acid, in stick form. It's really just animal fat. I'm sure it has some chemical compound name as well, but it's not hydrochloric acid. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 19:03:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:36:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: patina's? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:35:45 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991117203545.007efdc0@pop.racsa.co.cr> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! A customer who is installing some sidelights I made, and put black patina on, called me today and wanted to know how to darken (blacken) his solid brass doorknob. He says it is too shiny and detracts from the stained glass. Any ideas...he seems fixed on this particular doorknob. Would patina stay on any length of time with so much handling anyway? Is there a brass patina? Thanks for any help, Meg =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= =BA =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL Apdo 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 19:25:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:09:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: xtra.co.nz!TMacnicol From: Tina Booth To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FW: cool 5th grade class project Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:01:00 +1300 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.510.0> References: <<1999Nov18.1428.0>> Precedence: bulk I don't see the big deal, they are not asking for anything other than 1 miniute of your time to click the reply button and to write your city name. But I guess I am the odd one out, because my NZ ISP has listed them as a know spamming address and will not deliver my reply to them. -- -Tina Booth- -Knowledge is true opinion- -Plato- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 19:54:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:20:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Photo resists Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:19:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.151946.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, I read it and thats what got me curious as to what works the best...Thanks! Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Byron Wells Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Photo resists >The November/December issue of Glass Art has an interesting article on photo >resist. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 19:56:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:27:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: need a breath Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:24:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.112447.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Have we exhausted all the breath from the respirator thread? Not many new observations in the last 20 or so posts. YES, I am back! enjoy, H Should you want to try to bring life to it, how about the SUBJECT start with respirator. This makes it easy to delete BEFORE I get to read it! weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 21:02:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:37:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!marybdaily From: "Mary B" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Yard Stakes Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:36:46 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.43646.0> Precedence: bulk Mary, I have made a couple of these wrought iron stakes and have used clear silicone caulk to secure the glass. This invisibly holds the glass securely until you are ready to change the design. The caulk can be removed with a utility knife. Using glue would not allow you to change the panel if you desire. MaryBinVA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 17 22:56:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:26:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net (synergyglass) To: Richard LaVal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: patina's? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:42:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199911180542.VAA31012@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk No idea about the doorknob...perhaps he could purchase a new knob in the antiqued shade he desires...after all if he can afford s.g. he can afford to cough up a few more bucks for a knob. By the way...what's with all the sheep noises at the end of your message??? C. >Hi everyone! > A customer who is installing some sidelights I made, and put black patina >on, called me today and wanted to know how to darken (blacken) his solid >brass doorknob. He says it is too shiny and detracts from the stained >glass. Any ideas...he seems fixed on this particular doorknob. Would >patina stay on any length of time with so much handling anyway? Is there a >brass patina? Thanks for any help, Meg >=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= >=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= >=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= >=BA >=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA >RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL >Apdo 24-5655 >Monteverde >COSTA RICA > >PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 05:30:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:21:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: Richard LaVal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: patina's? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:19:46 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.151946.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19991117203545.007efdc0@pop.racsa.co.cr>> Precedence: bulk Hi Richard I blacken brass with the same patina I use for stained glass soldering (by Bohle, German), the only thing is to make sure that the brass is free from varnish or alike, and even then, better rubbing it with iron wool. I think warming it up also makes it work better. You can use metal transparent varnish so that it lasts. Hope this helps. Elena in Spain Richard LaVal escribió: > Hi everyone! > A customer who is installing some sidelights I made, and put black patina > on, called me today and wanted to know how to darken (blacken) his solid > brass doorknob. He says it is too shiny and detracts from the stained > glass. Any ideas...he seems fixed on this particular doorknob. Would > patina stay on any length of time with so much handling anyway? Is there a > brass patina? Thanks for any help, Meg > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= > =BA > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA > RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL > Apdo 24-5655 > Monteverde > COSTA RICA > > PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 07:01:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:43:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: I saw lead, was Re: respirator, lead...... Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:42:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.14429.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/17/99 10:33:09 AM, brian.shepherd@ukonline.co.uk writes: >Ah - That makes sense! Of course you saw lead! Maybe it's the wiped-out state of my mind from commuting an hour 20 one way (*if* the trains are running OK) these days (oh the joys of a one-car, one-scooter household when things turn chilly!), or maybe it's the fact that the day before your post appeared I had built 4 cabinet-door panels, but you have no idea how hard it was when I read your question the first time around to keep from saying: Of course I saw lead! I've been seeing lead for months - by now I even see lead in my sleep! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 08:32:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Safety equipment/does it work? was Re: FW: soldering, Hakko Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:56:10 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.155610.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/17/99 6:07:33 PM, Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com writes: >why would you believe a >manufacturer of equipment in their statements when they have so much >invested in selling you something? i think i'd want some independent >statements from non-biased sources, rather than just blindly taking a >manufacturers' word for it. Don't just take their word for it - read the fine print. Safety equipment and procedures are heavily regulated in the US/Canada/western Europe. Just skimming through some of the OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) standards will make not only your hair but your very skin stand on end. When you're shopping for safety equipment, look for "OSHA approved," the NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) logo or your country's equivalent on the package, and read all the yaddayaddayadda on the label. It will tell you exactly how the device is rated - not only what it will protect against, but under what conditions it may be used safely. Manufac turers get in some Really Deep Doodoo if they claim a device works but can't support that claim. OSHA/NIOSH can make the FDA look like a bunch of kindergarteners by comparison. For instance, the respirator I just bought came with 4 pages of charts and fine print including strongly worded warnings about (1) not using it where there are high concentrations of gases/vapors that have highly exothermic reactions (produce a lot of heat) with absorbent/adsorbent materials. Most of us don't really think about it, but some of those gases/vapors can literally start a fire if they're present in high enough concentrations! (2) not using it in conditions of less than 19.5% oxygen (normal is about 21%). If the oxygen level is down that much, it means there's too much other stuff in the air for the mask to handle, and that other stuff is going to get through to you and compound the effect of the lower oxygen level. Below 19.5% oxygen, you need to be wearing a self-contained air supply no matter what the other 80.5% is, even if it's completely nontoxic (nitrogen, for instance). And don't be shy about contacting the manufacturer for full safety rating information on any device *before* you buy it. Let these folks know that you're not going to spend your money on something that *doesn't* work! Any reputable manufacturer of safety equipment will give out that information readily, just as any reputable manufacturer of the chemicals we use will send you the MSDS (Materials Safety Data Sheet, for anyone who's not in the know). Of course, even the best equipment doesn't work if it's worn out or poorly maintained. In particular, where air cleaning/filtering devices are concerned - change your filters/canisters frequently! Sparks, not in a hurry to die for my art ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 09:02:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:07:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:05:18 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.16518.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/17/99 9:54:57 PM, MATRONA@aol.com writes: >> The flux used for soldering in stained glass work is dilute aqueous >> hydrochloric >> acid. [...] > >But why use that stuff when you can use oleic acid or even better stearic >acid, in stick form. It's really just animal fat. I'm sure it has some >chemical compound name as well, but it's not hydrochloric acid. I'd be concerned about using it because of what I found the other day about skin absorption of organic versus inorganic lead compounds. Lead plus an organic-based flux (oleic or stearic acid) yields something that's fat-soluble and more readily absorbed through the skin. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 09:05:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:09:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:08:23 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.16823.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/17/99 8:38:21 AM, ezbongo2@pacbell.net writes: >Lead Chloride (PbCl) undergoes thermal degradation at a rather low temperature >to emit lead containing fumes (aka 'airborne lead'). > >The quantities involved in sg work are low so exposure by these means are >not high, but this does happen. Especially when you've got a big push on to get a complex 3' by 5' copperfoil panel done because installation is *tomorrow* =8-O and you've got 3 people soldering furiously on the thing. Been there, done that! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 09:29:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:10:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 8" Brass rings Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:08:29 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.16829.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach Bob in 92026 (bobdu@prodigy.net): >>>Does anyone know where I can find 8" Brass rings?<< > >Make your own from brazing rod. Bend around a tin can or whatever is the >right diameter. Good ansuh! Brazing rods generally come in 2-foot lengths, which will give you something between 7-5/8" and 7-3/4" once you've got the ends soldered together. If you really need an 8" diameter, piecing in an extra 1-1/8" will do it. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 10:06:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net (synergyglass) To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:53:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199911181753.JAA31067@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Especially when you've got a big push on to get a complex 3' by 5' copperfoil >panel done because installation is *tomorrow* =8-O and you've got 3 people >soldering furiously on the thing. Been there, done that! How do you do this? My experience is that each person has a slightly different soldering technique or signature...doesn't it show that the 3 sections of the panel are soldered by different people? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 10:38:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:00:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ~ng~ :o| Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:00:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.6051.0> Precedence: bulk Computer problems are really a drag, 'specially when it is brand new. I've lost everyone's email address again. Spent the day yesterday reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling windows. Please respond again to this email so I can gather up your address again, This time I'm even without yours Elisabeth! Thanks. Hopefully I wont have this problem again for another year. Tulsa suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 11:08:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:49:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: patina's? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:44:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.24412.0> Precedence: bulk >>A customer who is installing some sidelights I made, and put black patina on, called me today and wanted to know how to darken (blacken) his solid brass doorknob.<< His doorknob may well have a coating on it that can be steel wooled off and nature will shortly start to darken the knob. There are different alloys of brass but most will turn a deep brown if heated in a kiln and held at about 1200'F for about twenty minutes or so. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 13:07:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone , Tom Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:38:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.103830.0> Precedence: bulk Monona tells it like it is!! ~ Dani -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:ACTSNYC@cs.com, INTERNET:ACTSNYC@cs.com To: [unknown], GreerStudios = Date: 11/18/99 10:52 AM RE: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures = TOM WROTE: = > Well, I don't want any poop! ;) > I'm am thinking of buying the Hakko HJ3100 Fume Extraction System. Do= es > anyone own this unit? < You don''t need some other glass artist's opinion of the unit, you need = poop--that is, hard data on the unit. > I believe it's a brand new style, I seem to be > having a hard time locating one from the studio I use. < Hakko sells through a catalog. You just need to contact them. I don't h= ave = their address handy or I'd include it. You need to ask Hakko what is the expected air velocity at the centerline= of = the face of the hood when the HEPA filter is in the unit. If you can't g= et = this information from the ordinary salespeople, ask to talk to a technica= l = rep. If the face velocity at the centerline of the hood is only 600 ft/m= in = or less, figure you only have an effective capture area extending about 8= -10 = inches away. This means you will have to be constantly moving the hood n= ear = your work. = If the face velocity is higher, you have more area in which you can work = and = still expect capture. Really hotshot filtered units can draw up to 1000 = ft/min. The industrial units that I spec for schools, museums, etc., usu= ally = draw 1500 ft/min. And don't let them talk cubic feet per minute (CFM). You don't care abou= t = volume as much as linear velocity. And the filter must be a full HEPA--= that = is capture 99.97% of particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter. Poop, man, poop. The more the better. Monona Rossol ACTS 181 Thompson St, # 23 NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 ACTSNYC@cs.com > Tom > : Message text written by INTERNET:MATRONA@aol.com > >> > : That is patently not true about the flux fumes! > : Lead will vaporize at around 1100 degrees.; < > : > : It is true,... True, but irrelevant to fuming, Dani, > and there are some marvelous lectures > : in the bungi archives written by our resident health > : and safety expert, Monona Rossol... also, if I recall, > : some comments as to the general uselessness of > : many respirators. If anyone has time, that would be > : the place to get the true poop. > : > : Dani Greer > : Greer Gallery & Studios > = ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: ACTSNYC@cs.com Received: from csimo01.mx.cs.com (csimo01.mx.cs.com [152.163.225.74]) by spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id NAA04449 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:52:40 -0500 (EST)= From: ACTSNYC@cs.com Received: from ACTSNYC@cs.com by csimo01.mx.cs.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id f.0.ca155cf6 (3893) for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:51:04 -0500 (EST= ) Message-ID: <0.ca155cf6.2565a498@cs.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:51:04 EST Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 23 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 14:07:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:42:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re:Glazing Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:36:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.113635.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks all for your informative = responses to my questions on glazing. Further discussion with the client leads me to believe his apprehension about someone breaking the panels was a flashback from his past life---hope so anyway. Thanks again for all the great thoughts. And I will check the building codes! Jim Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com Thursday, November 18, 1999 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 14:38:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:09:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Richard LaVal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: patina's? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.12646.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19991117203545.007efdc0@pop.racsa.co.cr>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > > Hi everyone! > A customer who is installing some sidelights I made, and put black patina > on, called me today and wanted to know how to darken (blacken) his solid > brass doorknob. He says it is too shiny and detracts from the stained > glass. Any ideas...he seems fixed on this particular doorknob. Would > patina stay on any length of time with so much handling anyway? Is there a > brass patina? Thanks for any help, Meg > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= > =BA > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA > RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL > Apdo 24-5655 > Monteverde > COSTA RICA > > PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass he probably can with a brass darkener. but he has to remove the clear laquer that's on it. and any traces of oils and oxides underneath it (if any). i would get something like laquer thinner, put it in a can. breakdown the knob the best i could, and let the parts soak in the thinner. give it a few hours. once the stuff is removed, and dried. use alchohol, water, and anything else to remove residue. it's probably best to let the knob soak in a pool patina. wash off extra, let it dry, then re-apply the laquer something durable, glossy. and with any luck it should be done. just make sure it's even, sometimes it get's spotty. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 15:10:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:37:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:33:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.63315.0> Precedence: bulk >>. And the filter must be a full HEPA--= that = is capture 99.97% of particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter. Poop, man, poop. The more the better. Monona Rossol<< Well that lets the HJ3100 out. From the Hakko brochure, "the filter used in the HJ3100 is rated by the DOP test at an efficiency of 98%, for a particle size of 0.3 micron." Clearly this machine is not up to the task. Use of it could land an employer in court also. I was advised yesterday that the price is $498.95. A lot of money to lay out only to have an OSHA inspector write you up for a stiff fine. Even more important, to me, is my feeling that this machine is way inadequate in size to make purchasing it a serious consideration. The current draw is only 3.5 amps. My household vacuum is over three times as powerful! Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 15:35:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:41:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:how to darken brass Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:40:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.04027.0> References: <<001401bf31f4$eb2dece0$ac649cd1@default>> Precedence: bulk Hello Bob and everyone Do you ,or someone in bungi, know if putting a brass lamp base into a kiln at 1200ºF for the period of time you suggest could alter it in any way? I have also heard that brass can be darkened by exposing it more or less directly to the fire of a gas cooker stove (?) Elena Bob Duchesneau escribió: > >>A customer who is installing some sidelights I made, and put black patina > on, called me today and wanted to know how to darken (blacken) his solid > brass doorknob.<< > > His doorknob may well have a coating on it that can be steel wooled off and > nature will shortly start to darken the knob. > > There are different alloys of brass but most will turn a deep brown if > heated in a kiln and held at about 1200'F for about twenty minutes or so. > > Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 15:45:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:04:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: MATRONA@aol.com, Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:59:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.65939.0> References: <<1999Nov18.12615.0@mta2.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk MATRONA@aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > But why use that stuff when you can use oleic acid or even better stearic > acid, in stick form. It's really just animal fat. I'm sure it has some > chemical compound name as well, but it's not hydrochloric acid. Anne, My last email was partially incorrect and I apologize for that. I'm a little bit "spaced out" right now due to some medication I'm taking temporarily. The liquid fluxes most commonly used in stained glass are aqueous solutions of zinc chloride and/or ammonium chloride. In any case the active part is the chloride ions, which will react with lead to form Lead Chloride, which will thermally degrade to form sub-micron size airborne lead. So for the safety part, the same things apply. Actually, you can use oleic acid as a flux for soldering in stained glass. Will be harder to clean up though since its a fatty acid, you might have to use some methanol (ethanol, isopropanol, etc) to clean it off the glass entirely. I'm not sure, but I would think that oleic acid or any other fatty acid would produce submicron sized lead particles similar to chloride based fluxes though the chemistry is different. Unused zinc chloride or ammonium chloride will wash right off. Another common soldering flux is rosin-based; mostly used in electronics since its non-conductive. You definitely don't want to fiddle with this stuff for stained glass work as it will be difficult to remove. For a general review of solder fluxes, see : http://www.inlandcraft.com/howto/soldman/smpage9.htm In fact, this whole document is good to review for safety and in general. http://www.inlandcraft.com/howto/pdf/htsold.pdf Also see : http://www.diac.com/~jeffh/lv2000/solder.html Canfield makes the best solders (in theory). Their website is : http://www.solders.com/ Anyway ... gotta keep movin' ..... regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 16:16:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:44:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fume Trap? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:39:18 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov18.233918.0> Precedence: bulk Has anybody tried an air-filtering device called the Fume Trap? Doubt that it could be as effective as a respirator, but seems better than naught. Comments? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 17:12:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:17:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Brian Shepherd Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:42:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.214228.0> References: <<1999Nov16.142915.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Well, Brian, you know how we Americans need to use machines wherever possible. Steve (in Scotland) Brian Shepherd writes >You saw lead came? > >BtB > >> >> In a message dated 11/13/99 9:49:53 AM, thomm@vnet.net writes: >> >> >Lead is not airborne that I know of. >> >> It sure is! It's in the flux fumes when you solder, and in the whiting >dust >> that gets into the air when you're puttying (and it will, no matter how >> careful you are "not to throw dust around"), and in the fine dust that >gets >> thrown off when you use a chop saw on came....... >> >> >> Sparks >> ---- > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 17:12:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:19:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "James C. Kelly" Subject: Re: Glazing Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:54:37 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov17.215437.0> References: <<1999Nov16.18952.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Jim, I'm a bit late in this discussion, but my choice is laminated glass. 1. It doesn't fall apart when hit hard with an ice pick or other sharp object. 2. It has significant fire resistance But, 1. thickness for thickness, tempered glass is seven times stronger according to a Texas local authority. 2. So for the same strength laminated glass is much heavier, but more resistant to vandalism. Lexan and Plexiglass are subject to scratching from the normal cleaning processes and so are not recommended (by me) for either internal or external protective glazing. If you have to have an external glazing sheet, I'd use laminated glass (6.4 or 8.6 mm) Steve In message <1999Nov16.18952.0@?>, James C. Kelly writes >Hi all, >I am creating a panel for >installation in an interior wall of >an office. The customer is = > >concerned that someone might >inadvertently or intentionally, >isnt that interesting, bump, >knock or punch the window. >So among other questions >this raises, is that of what >is the appropriate protective >glazing for a hallway panel? >And for that matter what is >the recommended protective >glazing for exterior windows? >Glass, Lexan, Plastic???? >Hired security personnel???? >Thanks in advance for any help. >Jim >Jim Kelly >Virginia Beach VA >gcanvas@compuserve.com >Tuesday, November 16, 1999 > = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 18:15:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:53:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: how to darken brass Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:51:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.155150.0> References: <<1999Nov19.04027.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Elena Rodríguez wrote: > > Hello Bob and everyone > Do you ,or someone in bungi, know if putting a brass lamp base into a > kiln at > 1200ºF for the period of time you suggest could alter it in any way? > I have also heard that brass can be darkened by exposing it more or less > directly to the fire of a gas cooker stove (?) > Elena > > Bob Duchesneau escribió: > > > >>A customer who is installing some sidelights I made, and put black patina > > on, called me today and wanted to know how to darken (blacken) his solid > > brass doorknob.<< > > > > His doorknob may well have a coating on it that can be steel wooled off and > > nature will shortly start to darken the knob. > > > > There are different alloys of brass but most will turn a deep brown if > > heated in a kiln and held at about 1200'F for about twenty minutes or so. > > > > Bob in 92026 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would assume it would melt. a door knob can afford to be brass. a lamp base (as far as i know), usually isn't solid brass. if it is, it would be thin. so my guess is at the end, you'll have a dark base, but it may be as flat as a pancake. --or melted roadkill. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 18:36:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:55:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Rickola@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fume Trap? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:53:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.155340.0> References: <<1999Nov18.233918.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Rickola@aol.com wrote: > > Has anybody tried an air-filtering device called the Fume Trap? Doubt that > it could be as effective as a respirator, but seems better than naught. > Comments? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i have the inland version.... doesn't work, it redirects. inlands is a computer fan with a charcoal filter. hakko makes one, it's taller. i don't know if it works any better, it is more expensive, but i think it's more effective. if anything, it is taller, so it should at least suck the fumes away from you. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 19:43:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:28:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Mary Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Yard stakes Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:26:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Nov18.112644.0> References: <<1999Nov17.12431.0>> Precedence: bulk Mary: You asked about securing your panel to the yard stakes. Do you have holes in the ring around the opening for the panel? If not, you may want to go to a place where they work with wrought iron and have them drill holes. Then you can use wire to hold the panel in. You could probably use a sealant to hold the panel in. I don't think the glue would work too well. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 20:12:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:52:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: ezbongo2@pacbell.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:51:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov19.3516.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks very much for that url. i'll check it out. I do find oleic acid kind of sticky if it stays on very long at all. but it works very well. however my fav is the little stearic acid candles. You have only to brush with a stiff brush to get that stuff off. Plus with both of these, you don't get the oxidation of the metals that you do with other fluxes. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 18 22:22:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:50:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: twinwolf.net!dimitrovich From: "Pamela Dimitrovich" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Silkscreens Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov18.182614.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF321C.4E7189C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, Does anyone on this list make silk-screens? 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My husband is on a batline and his messages don't do this. any ideas? meg =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA= =BA =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL Apdo 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 10:55:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:31:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Box help Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.8319.0> Precedence: bulk Hard as it may be to believe, I have never made a hinged box. Oh, I've made boxes...small ones with lids that fit in. lift off. etc. all nicely sized to fit your hands. But I now have a request for a BIG box., About 16 inches by 8 inches footprint, about 5 inches tall. No way that lid is going to fit anyone's hand! So I realize I am going to have to hinge the lid. So I am asking for any good instructions, hints, whatever you have for constructing such befor I even start designing. I will also be picking the brains of my local supplies and looking closely at their work! Craft fair tomorrow, starting emergency order Sunday (needs to be done by Tuesday.), then 3 fairs in 7 days (end of nov., beginning of December). I think I'll just give up sleep. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 11:24:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:45:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fume Trap? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:38:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.83852.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Rickola@aol.com >Has anybody tried an air-filtering device called the Fume Trap? Doubt that = it could be as effective as a respirator, but seems better than naught. = Comments?< A waste of money from what I've heard...... ~ Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 13:02:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:46:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net (synergyglass) To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Box help Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:44:35 -0800 Message-ID: <199911192044.MAA22370@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Hard as it may be to believe, I have never made a hinged box. Oh, I've >made boxes...small ones with lids that fit in. lift off. etc. all nicely >sized to fit your hands. But I now have a request for a BIG box., About >16 inches by 8 inches footprint, about 5 inches tall. No way that lid >is going to fit anyone's hand! So I realize I am going to have to hinge >the lid. So I am asking for any good instructions, hints, whatever you >have for constructing such befor I even start designing. I will also be >picking the brains of my local supplies and looking closely at their >work! Dorothy...you may have trouble finding a long enough hinge tube. The ones I have are only 12" long. You may have to look around to find this. Don't even think about using the little glue on ones for a top this large. I would advise making sure that you have several cut lines that extend out to the back of the lid where the seams meet the hinge. One wouldn't be enough for strength to prevent the lid tearing away from the tube. The biggest trick in using tube hinges is to make sure the ends are plugged with toothpicks and to solder the tube to the lid in bits, e.g. solder the end inch or two, skip a couple of inches, then solder again, skip a couple of inches then solder again. Go back and fill in the skipped areas a few minutes later. Keep working in brief periods until This prevents your whole solder seam from overheating because of the heat stored in the brass tube. If it overheats the whole tube will drop away and you'll need to start over. A good way to make sure you allow the tube to cool down periodically is to work on several boxes at once or solder a small suncatcher in between each period of working on the hinge seam. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 14:04:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:39:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Box help Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:37:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.113748.0> References: <<1999Nov19.8319.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Family Account wrote: > > Hard as it may be to believe, I have never made a hinged box. Oh, I've > made boxes...small ones with lids that fit in. lift off. etc. all nicely > sized to fit your hands. But I now have a request for a BIG box., About > 16 inches by 8 inches footprint, about 5 inches tall. No way that lid > is going to fit anyone's hand! So I realize I am going to have to hinge > the lid. So I am asking for any good instructions, hints, whatever you > have for constructing such befor I even start designing. I will also be > picking the brains of my local supplies and looking closely at their > work! > > Craft fair tomorrow, starting emergency order Sunday (needs to be done > by Tuesday.), then 3 fairs in 7 days (end of nov., beginning of > December). I think I'll just give up sleep. > > Dorothy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass first check the stuff on my page, i describe various box related things. an idea is to make a handle for the lid, and still make it a lift off. make a smaller box on the lid, and put an over sized top on it. it would look like a T only 3-d. the lid and the top part of the handle would need to have extra solder lines so it can attach. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 14:34:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:54:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Soldering Styles Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:53:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.115321.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by synergyglass >>Especially when you've got a big push on to get a complex 3' by 5' copperfoil = >panel done because installation is *tomorrow* =3D8-O and you've got 3 pe= ople >soldering furiously on the thing. Been there, done that! How do you do this? My experience is that each person has a slightly different soldering technique or signature...doesn't it show that the 3 sections of the panel are soldered by different people?< Not too much when the other two have been taught all their stained glass skills, including soldering, by the third person (i.e. me!). So our styles look very similar. Also - the 3rd person (me) visually inspects all solder lines and corrects any mistakes prior to doing the patina. That's how it's done. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 14:59:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:01:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Box help Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:59:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.115947.0> References: <<199911192044.MAA22370@mimas.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Also, you will probably want a fairly wide foil where the hinge attaches, gives more strength. The smaller part of the hinge that goes inside, put white out around it where it goes into the bigger part, keeps the solder from sticking just in case you get too close. Try a small box or two out of scrap just for practice before you tackle the big one because the first one or two are usually frustrating, things don't want to line up right, etc etc. Good luck! Kris > >Hard as it may be to believe, I have never made a hinged box. > Dorothy...you may have trouble finding a long enough hinge tube. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 17:16:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:42:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!patkel From: "patrick kelly" To: "Christie A. Wood" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Job glass (plaid) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:40:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.104020.0> Precedence: bulk Judy et al at Glass and Goodies used it for the sofa in a gorgeous project (the three teddy bears on the couch) she donated to the local Public TV auction. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 17:31:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:45:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!patkel From: "patrick kelly" To: "alipea" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 8" Brass rings Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:43:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.104312.0> Precedence: bulk Try www.hobbylobby.com Patrick Roses and Rainbows -----Original Message----- From: alipea To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 5:16 AM Subject: Re: 8" Brass rings >Does anyone know where I can find 8" Brass rings? > >I've tried our stained glass supplier & they recommended a craft store, >they don't have them at the only craft store I know of in Westchester NY >(Franks Nursery & Crafts). > >Thanks in advance for your help. > >Ali > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 18:14:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Soldering Styles Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:42:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.154251.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Christie A. Wood" >(me) visually inspects all solder lines and corrects any mistakes prior to doing the patina. That's how it's done.< Ditto. I learned to solder by putting down all the slop and then Michael came back and cleaned = up the mess after me. Now, I'm better at it than he is, but even an expert probably couldn't tell the difference. To the untrained eye, telling the difference between several glass painters on the same window can be a challenge, if their = techniques are cohesive. Not much of a "signature" is left, in either case. Back to glass.... you won't be hearing much from me for the next 10 days or so. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 19:42:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:02:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Thank you Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:01:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Nov19.17113.0> Precedence: bulk I just wanted to say Thank you to everyone for being so helpful. I was beginning to stress, because 2 humingbird designs mounted on rings are due next Friday and i didn't know what i was going to do. Thanks again Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 20:15:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:32:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Job glass (plaid) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov19.17329.0> References: <<1999Nov19.104020.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I have seen it used as the stained glass windows in the little Victorian/Edwardian houses and in the little churches. I've also seem it used as one "layer" of art deco repetative arrows, rectangles etc. at corners or mid border for mirrors and picture frames. In both cases the result was better than some of the lampshades I've seen, where the effect is a bit much. Less is more - in this case. patrick kelly wrote: > Judy et al at Glass and Goodies used it for the sofa in a gorgeous project > (the three teddy bears on the couch) she donated to the local Public TV > auction. > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 19 23:17:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:45:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fume Trap? Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 01:39:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov20.63919.0> Precedence: bulk I'd be glad to sell one cheap. I've found it of little effect. Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 05:45:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:54:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Soldering Styles Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:50:29 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov20.125029.0> Precedence: bulk At 20:42 19/11/99 -0500, Dani wrote: > Now, I'm better at it than >he is, but even an expert probably couldn't tell >the difference. And sometimes we find we have to alter our own soldering style to blend in with existing "sloppier" styles of the original maker if we are only being asked to do a partial remake or have to make one new panel to match existing ones. Its particularly interesting when doing copper foil/solder repairs - sometimes it is hard to make the soldering as lumpy as the original craftsperson! Makes you sometimes realise how your own techniques have improved over the years. I occasionally see cf/soldered work we made 20 years ago and shudder at the comparatively poor soldering which at the time I thought was quite good! 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CALL NOW to receive your diploma within days!!! 1-212-465-3248 Call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, including Sundays and holidays. rem- tompp23@angelfire.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 09:18:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:46:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Styles Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:41:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov20.64112.0> References: <<1999Nov20.125029.0>> Precedence: bulk "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" wrote: > I occasionally see cf/soldered work we made 20 > years ago and shudder at the comparatively poor soldering which at the time > I thought was quite good! And in 20 years from now Elizabeth, you'll shudder at the soldering you're doing today! There's a lesson to be learned here. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 11:20:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:32:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: BOBDU@prodigy.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Uses for Vinegar(not a joke) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:40:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov20.24035.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk 1. Kill grass on walks and driveways. Pour full strength on unwanted grass. 2. Kill weeds. Spray full strength on tops of weeds. Reapply on any new growth until plants have starved. 3. Increase soil acidity. In hard water areas, add a cup of vinegar to a gallon of tap water for watering acid loving plants like rhododendrons,gardenias, or azaleas. The vinegar will release iron in the soil for the plants to use. 4. Neutralize garden lime. Rinse your hands liberally with vinegar after working with garden lime to avoid rough and flaking skin. Clean pots before repotting, rinse with vinegar to remove excess lime. 5. Deter ants. Spray vinegar around door and window frames, under appliances, and along other known ant trails. 6. Keep car windows frost free. Coat the windows the night before with a solution of three parts vinegar to one part water. 7. Polish car chrome. Apply full strength with a soft cloth. 8. Soak new propane lantern wicks in vinegar for several hours. Let dry before using. Will burn longer and brighter. 9. Clean milking equipment. Rinse with vinegar to leave system clean, odorless, and bacteria free without harmful chemical residue. 10. Remove skunk odor from a dog. Rub fur with vinegar. 11. Keep cats away. Sprinkle vinegar on an area to discourage cats from walking,sleeping,or scratching on it. 12. Keep dogs from scratching ears. Clean the inside of the ears with a soft cloth dipped in diluted vinegar. 13. Keep away fleas and mange. Add a little vinegar to your pet's drinking water. 14. Keep chickens from pecking each other. Add cider vinegar to their drinking water. 15. Make buttermilk. Add a tablespoon of vinegar to a cup of milk and let it stand 5 minutes to thicken. 16. Tenderize meat. Soak in vinegar overnight. 17. Freshen vegetables. Soak wilted vegetables in a quart of cold water and a tablespoon of vinegar. 18. Replace a lemon. Substitute 1/4 teaspoon of vinegar for 1 teaspoon of lemon juice. 19. Firm up gelatin. Add a teaspoon of vinegar for every box of gelatin used to keep those molded desserts from sagging in the summer heat. 20. Boil better eggs. Add 2 tablespoons of vinegar to each quart of water before boiling eggs, keeps them from cracking. 21. Prepare fluffier rice. Add a teaspoon of vinegar to the water when it boils. 22. Make wine vinegar. Mix 2 tablespoons of vinegar with 1 teaspoon of dry red wine. 23. Debug fresh vegetables. Wash leafy greens in water with vinegar and salt. Bugs float off. 24. Scale fish more easily. Rub with vinegar 5 minutes before scaling. 25. Dampen your appetite. Sprinkle a little vinegar on prepared food to take the edge off your appetite. 26. Soothe a bee or jellyfish sting. Douse with vinegar. Will soothe irritation and relieve itching. 27. Relieve sunburn. Lightly rub white or cider vinegar on skin. Reapply as needed. 28. Conditions hair. Add a tablespoon of vinegar to your rinse to dissolve sticky residue left by shampoo. 29. Relieve dry and itchy skin. Add 2 tablespoons of vinegar to your bath water. 30. Fight dandruff. After shampooing, rinse with a solution of 1/2 cup vinegar and 2 cups of warm water. 31. Soothe a soar throat. Put a teaspoon of vinegar in a glass of water. Gargle, then swallow. For another great gargle: 1 c. hot water, 2 tbsp. honey, 1 tbsp. vinegar, gargle then drink. 32. Clear up warts. Apply a lotion of half cider vinegar and half glycerin. 33. Treat sinus infections and chest colds. Add 1/4 cup or more vinegar to the vaporizer. 34. Feel good. A teaspoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water, with a bit of honey added for flavor, will take the edge off your appetite and give you an overall healthy feeling. 35. Deodorize the kitchen drain. Pour a cup down the drain once a week. Let stand 30 minutes and then flush with cold water. 36. Eliminate onion odor. Rub on your fingers before and after slicing. 37. Clean and disinfect wood cutting boards. Wipe with full strength vinegar. 38. Remove fruit stains from hands. Rub with vinegar. 39. Cut grease and odor on dishes. Add a tablespoon of vinegar to hot soapy water. 40. Clean a teapot. Boil a mixture of water and vinegar in the teapot. Wipe away the grime. 41. Freshen a lunchbox. Soak a piece of bread in vinegar and let it sit in the lunchbox over night. 42. Clean the refrigerator. Wash with a solution of equal parts water and vinegar. 43. Unclog a drain. Pour a handful of baking soda down the drain and add 1/2 cup of vinegar. Rinse with hot water. 44. Clean and deodorize the garbage disposal. Make vinegar ice cubes and feed them down the disposal. After grinding, run cold water through a minute. 45. Clean and deodorize jars. Rinse mayonnaise, peanut butter, and mustard jars with vinegar when empty. 46. Clean the dishwasher. Run a cup of vinegar through the whole cycle once a month to reduce soap build up on the inner mechanisms and on glassware. 47. Clean stainless steel. Wipe with a vinegar dampened cloth. 48. Clean china and fine glassware. Add a cup of vinegar to a sink of warm water. 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Add 1/2 cup of vinegar to the rinse cycle. 56. Keep colors from running. Immerse clothes in full strength vinegar before washing. 57. Freshen up the washing machine. Periodically, pour a cup of vinegar in the machine and let in run through a regular cycle (no clothes added). Will dissolve soap residue. 58. Brighten fabric colors. Add a 1/2 cup vinegar to the rinse cycle. 59. Take grease off suede. Dip a toothbrush in vinegar and gently brush over grease spot. 60. Remove tough stains. Gently rub on fruit, jam, mustard, coffee, tea. Then wash as usual. 61. Get smoke smell out of clothes. Add a cup of vinegar to a bath tub of hot water. Hang clothes above the steam. 62. Remove decals. Brush with a couple coats of vinegar. Allow to soak in. Wash off. 63. Clean eyeglasses. Wipe each lens with a drop of vinegar. 64. Freshen cut flowers. Add 2 tablespoons vinegar and 1 teaspoon sugar for each quart of water. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 11:39:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:38:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: respirator, lead - other safety measures Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:35:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov20.83521.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:ACTSNYC@cs.com a.k.a. Monona Rossol: > Mostly good info. especially the websites. I've printed it for myself. = But no matter what flux is used--even if NO flux is used, lead will fume.= = Lead fume is most often found in the lead oxide form rather than chloride= s or = other compounds. Thanks = Monona > The liquid fluxes most commonly used in stained glass are aqueous = solutions = > of zinc chloride and/or ammonium chloride. In any case the active part= is = the > chloride ions, which will react with lead to form Lead Chloride, which= will > thermally degrade to form sub-micron size airborne lead. So for the safety > part, the same things apply. > = > Actually, you can use oleic acid as a flux for soldering in stained glass. = = > Will be harder to clean up though since its a fatty acid, you might hav= e to = use = > some methanol (ethanol, isopropanol, etc) to clean it off the glass = entirely. I'm = > not sure, but I would think that oleic acid or any other fatty acid wou= ld > produce submicron sized lead particles similar to chloride based fluxe= s = > though the chemistry is different. > = > Unused zinc chloride or ammonium chloride will wash right off. > = > Another common soldering flux is rosin-based; mostly used in electroni= cs > since its non-conductive. You definitely don't want to fiddle with th= is stuff for > stained glass work as it will be difficult to remove. And the electronics industry also has to control lead fume and there are = no chlorides here. = = > For a general review of solder fluxes, see : > = > http://www.inlandcraft.com/howto/soldman/smpage9.htm > In fact, this whole document is good to review for safety and in general. > = > http://www.inlandcraft.com/howto/pdf/htsold.pdf > = > Also see : http://www.diac.com/~jeffh/lv2000/solder.html > = > Canfield makes the best solders (in theory). Their website is : > http://www.solders.com/ > Anyway ... gotta keep movin' ..... regards ..... Bob > = = < ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 11:50:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:14:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Soldering Styles Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov20.91156.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" >Its particularly interesting when doing copper foil/solder repairs - sometimes it is hard to make the soldering as lumpy as the original craftsperson! Makes you sometimes realise how your own techniques have improved over the years. I occasionally see cf/soldered work we made 20 years ago and shudder at the comparatively poor soldering which at the ti= me I thought was quite good!< You should see some of the stuff that came out = of Tiffany Studios, yikes! And, even with lead work, I'm amazed at some of the weak solder joints coming out of professional studios. I see know reason to do intentionally poor work to match up with a previous hand.... remember that in most cases, the soldering will not be that apparent... unless it's a particularly = intimate piece like a lamp. P.S. Did I tell you I got my Day book?? Cheers! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 13:21:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:48:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: patina's? Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:47:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov20.44747.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19991117203545.007efdc0@pop.racsa.co.cr>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk I would not use a stained glass lead came patina. Especially not on something that will receive as much wear and tear as a doorknob. Instead, I would go to a jewelry materials supply (or possibly also a lapidary supply). There are patina compounds specially made for most of the metals commonly used in jewelry and ornamental metal work. They will usually be specific to the metal you want to patina - i.e.: different ones for copper, brass, silver, etc. Or actually, the copper/brass patina compounds will often be the same one. But don't use one meant for silver unless it also specifies copper and brass. Or at least test it first on some brass first. Also be careful - brass hardware has often been coated with a clear lacquer to keep it shiny. Even if it is antique, someone shining it may have put a coating of wax on the knob to keep it shiny. Even skin oils from all the hands grabbing the doorknob will resist the patina. You must use a strong solvent and/or stripper to clean everything off. I often the use a final run of acetone or 99% alcohol to ensure the solvent used did not leave any oily residues. If the patina still does not take, you may need to try fine steel wool. A four-aught (0000) steel wool should not dull the finish too much though you may need to try an unobtrusive place first to see if the client likes it. Make sure you clean any steel wool pieces off the knob before using the patina because the steel will react with the patina compound (which is sometimes a good thing improving the patina, but may also result in some pretty weird results). Which brings up a final set of problems you will need to watch out for. Patina will often stain wood and paints. It may also react violently or strangely with any non-brass (steel) portions of the knob. I would highly recommend removing the knob totally from the door and separating out any screws or other hardware. Even though the knob may be solid brass, the screws used to hold it on are often steel with a brass-like finish. The instant you put patina compound on a screw like this, it will strip of the brass-like finish and leave you with a weird blue and possibly pitted result. You may need to replace the screws with ones you know are truly solid brass. In addition, any locking hardware (lock cylinders, etc), may give you problems. And finally you run the risk of finding out that the clients "solid brass" door knob really is not. I had a client with what they had bought as very expensive antique solid brass knobs. The instant I put on patina it stripped off the fake brass finish and left one heck of an ugly looking knob. I had to tell the client they had been cheated. Fortunately they were understanding and did not blame me....:-) Have fun. I wish you luck :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard LaVal To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 6:35 PM Subject: patina's? > Hi everyone! > A customer who is installing some sidelights I made, and put black patina > on, called me today and wanted to know how to darken (blacken) his solid > brass doorknob. He says it is too shiny and detracts from the stained > glass. Any ideas...he seems fixed on this particular doorknob. Would > patina stay on any length of time with so much handling anyway? Is there a > brass patina? Thanks for any help, Meg ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 14:22:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re:how to darken brass Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:09:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov20.5944.0> References: <<1999Nov19.04027.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Yes to both. Assuming of course it is truly brass. The effects of high temperatures on brass plate are unpredictable - especially if the underly= ing metal is "pot-metal" (a rather loosely defined alloy of tin and other cra= p used in many imitations from third world countries). Also note that the lacquer that is probably on it will smoke as it burns off. The gas cooker stove thing can leave some very interesting results. Actually, I find a propane plumbing torch much easier to control and safe= r. Either way, you will tend to get circles of different colored patinas radiating from where the hottest part of the flame is touching out into t= he cooler areas. In addition, the area in direct contact with the flame wil= l generally have less oxygen in it (the flame burnt it up), while other are= as may get more oxygen from the direct air. Again, you may get different colours in the different areas. Sometimes this effect is really cool - other times not what you want at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elena Rodr=EDguez To: Bob Duchesneau Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 2:40 PM Subject: Re:how to darken brass > Hello Bob and everyone > Do you ,or someone in bungi, know if putting a brass lamp base into a > kiln at > 1200=BAF for the period of time you suggest could alter it in any way? > I have also heard that brass can be darkened by exposing it more or les= s > directly to the fire of a gas cooker stove (?) > Elena > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 15:52:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:03:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Cecily and Ralph Wood" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Job glass (plaid) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:01:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov20.1318.0> References: <<1999Nov19.17329.0>> Precedence: bulk A great design element this Job Glass and now a new book is out with patterns to highlight the use of Job. Quality of designs is quite good and the book is useful even if you don't use Job Glass (i.e. use bevels instead)... Mikey Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Sent: November 19, 1999 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Job glass (plaid) > I have seen it used as the stained glass windows in the little > Victorian/Edwardian houses and in the little churches. I've also seem it > used as one "layer" of art deco repetative arrows, rectangles etc. at corners > or mid border for mirrors and picture frames. In both cases the result was > better than some of the lampshades I've seen, where the effect is a bit > much. Less is more - in this case. > > patrick kelly wrote: > > > Judy et al at Glass and Goodies used it for the sofa in a gorgeous project > > (the three teddy bears on the couch) she donated to the local Public TV > > auction. > > > > Patrick > > Roses and Rainbows > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 20 19:53:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:01:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!ACASADO From: ACASADO@webtv.net (Ali Casado) To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Where is everybody??? Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:00:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Nov20.17052.0> Precedence: bulk Hey All, I haven't had any postings to my Email from any bungians. Am I off the list for some unknown reason? I hope not. I love being part of the bungians. Somebody let me know, please. Ali :=) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 03:17:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:57:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: Bob Duchesneau , Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0A258B09B502A7FF129194E0" Subject: Re: darkened brass + receipt confirmation Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:56:14 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.125614.0> References: <<001f01bf3249$685278e0$11af9cd1@default>> Precedence: bulk --------------0A258B09B502A7FF129194E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everyone Thanks for all your information and coments on how to darken brass, I still have some experimenting to do regarding this but will for sure keep you posted about results. I have another question, this time about electronic mail; does anyone know if not getting confirmation of delivery of a message has anything to do with whether the addressee actually receives the message? A lot of times, when I request confirmed delivery, I find a message on the screen saying the requested server has no ability to do that. Coincidentally, a number of recently sent and unanswered messages belonged to this category. Thank you in advance for your attention and help. Elena in (snowy!!) Spain Bob Duchesneau escribió: > >>Hello Bob and everyone > Do you ,or someone in bungi, know if putting a brass lamp base into a > kiln at > 1200ºF for the period of time you suggest could alter it in any way? > I have also heard that brass can be darkened by exposing it more or > less > directly to the fire of a gas cooker stove (?) > Elena<< If the lamp base is cast brass (the kind sold for use with > stained glass lamp shades) it should stand up well and darken. Some > cheaper lamp bases are brass platted zinc and would melt. You can try > it and observe it carefully. Bob --------------0A258B09B502A7FF129194E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone
Thanks for all your information and coments on how to darken brass, I still have some experimenting to do regarding this but will for sure keep you posted about results.
I have another question, this time about electronic mail; does anyone know if not getting confirmation of delivery of a message has anything to do with whether the addressee actually receives the message? A lot of times, when I request confirmed delivery, I find a message on the screen saying the requested server has no ability to do that. Coincidentally, a number of recently sent and unanswered messages belonged to this category. Thank you in advance for your attention and help.
Elena in (snowy!!) Spain

Bob Duchesneau escribió:

 >>Hello Bob and everyone
Do you ,or someone in bungi, know if putting a brass lamp base into a
kiln at
1200ºF for the period of time you suggest could alter it in any way?
I have also heard that brass can be darkened by exposing it more or less
directly to the fire of a gas cooker stove (?)
Elena<< If the lamp base is cast brass (the kind sold for use with stained glass lamp shades) it should stand up well and darken. Some cheaper lamp bases are brass platted zinc and would melt. You can try it and observe it carefully. Bob
  --------------0A258B09B502A7FF129194E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 08:20:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 07:50:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks and a quick update on E&P Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:49:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.54934.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the box help. Any other good hints...keep 'em coming. I've had some questions as to the whereabouts of Emeraldine and Pierre. Thye are both at home right now. Emeraldine is getting ready to unveil her 4-d project and is working with a mathematician to tune it. Those of you who can do multi-variable calculus will understand. Pierre is furiously working to prepare for the holidays. As we are all acutely aware, it's almost time for the biggest holiday of the year - the Festival of Lights! (Jacques has been blowing fruit shaped lights for the celebrations. You already know that he does the best grapes in the business, but you should see his pears!) More on the festival later. Now, I need to return to my own, more mundane work. Dorothy (the nonfictional character) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 08:52:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:18:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: "Bungi Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Job glass (plaid) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:16:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.41632.0> Precedence: bulk Do you know the title of the pattern book and/or the publisher? Mary Lou | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Mike Figgy" | To: "Cecily and Ralph Wood" | Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 17:01 | Subject: Re: Job glass (plaid) | | | | A great design element this Job Glass and now a new book is out with | | patterns to highlight the use of Job. Quality of designs is quite good and | | the book is useful even if you don't use Job Glass (i.e. use bevels | | instead)... | | Mikey | | Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 | | (Tel:416-252-6868) | | Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass | | supplier. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 09:26:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:09:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Laminating stained glass?? Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.65948.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone ever done any laminating with stained glass? Care to share a few tips of the trade? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 10:58:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:17:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: MSDS sheets (provided by manufacturer) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:08:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.886.0> Precedence: bulk Here are some MSDS sheets for some materials used in stained glass work: http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/msds.html Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 11:28:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:48:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fume Trap replies Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:47:37 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov21.184737.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who responded to my question about the Fume Trap's adequacy. I'll pass on that product. In the meantime, if anyone has other suggestions for an effective, economical, air filtering system, please let us know. Thanks again. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 11:44:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:03:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Family Account Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Box help Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:01:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Nov21.3146.0> References: <<1999Nov19.8319.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Dorothy: You say the SG box you want to make is about 16 inches and too long for the tube and hinge? Make your own tube and hinge. Go down to local hardware store, i.e., OSH, Home Depot, Home Base, etc. They will have brass tubes. Then go to the welder's supply and fit the tube with a brass welding rod that comes in length of 36 inches. I don't know the size but I never use the inner tube of the tube and hinge set..I use the welding (brazier's rod). You can still use the tube and hinge by cutting the tube in lengths of from 1 to 2 inches and soldering the tubes across the hinged area. Then using the brass welding rod you can run the rud through and solder it in the back corner seams of your box. For a 16" length, you could space out 2 inch tubes about 3 to 5 inches. In other words the tube doesn't have to be one solid piece of brass tubing. Good luck and let us know what happens. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 11:58:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:20:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Tom" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: testing Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.91748.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BF342B.301FED20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable testing ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BF342B.301FED20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BF342B.301FED20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 15:35:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:10:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Joseph Augusta Subject: Re: Laminating stained glass?? Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:27:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.182738.0> References: <<1999Nov21.65948.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I now it can be done because Hetleys in London advertise their capability to have it laminated. In Glasgow, the pieces are too small for the plant. Steve In message <1999Nov21.65948.0@?>, Joseph Augusta writes >Anyone ever done any laminating with stained glass? Care to share a few >tips of the trade? > >Best wishes, >Joseph > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 15:49:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:13:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dragonfly--free as a ... Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.13324.0> Precedence: bulk Have you downloaded this free program? Lots of stained glass patterns for you to copy and/or modify---download The Glass Eye at: http://www.dfly.com Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 16:35:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:14:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Rickola@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fume Trap replies Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.141219.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Rickola@aol.com >In the meantime, if anyone has other suggestions for an effective, = economical, air filtering system, please let us know. < The Common Ground: Glass committee will be reviewing this topic for a future issue of newsletter. Can't tell you the exact date yet, but will let everyone know when it's scheduled. Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 17:03:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:32:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: need came advice Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.14304.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk My question is Is brass came more rigid than brass capped lead came? I'm restoring a 6' by 2' foiled panel that the Army furnature movers and demolition service managed to damage even though it was in a sturdy wooden crate (2x4s for edging!) and packed in foam. It was and will be a beautiful thing, but only copper hobby came was used as edging and there is no structural reinforcing (there will be). I wanted to get quarter inch/5/8s inch brass u-came - flat or rounded - for the edges. I figured that would give the best stability aside from using zinc. Don't want zinc because the foil has been patined bronze (dark brown) which is definately the right color. Patinaing zinc is nasty and time consuming and I don't think it accomplishes much. I have some brass capped lead came, but it is still bendier than I'd like. All my local suppliers are out of U shapped brass. I've worked with both but never had some of each around so I could test which is the most rigid. So before I drive any great distance (gotta have it done by next Sunday), I'd like to know whether it's worth finding the real brass came. Also, I'd assume that the brass capped lead came is heavier, right? Which would be another reason to get the brass because I think they want to hang it. Thanks in advance - Cecily -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 19:07:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:43:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!ARTIZ01 From: ARTIZ01@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Church Windows Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:42:31 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov22.24231.0> Precedence: bulk Help I need an idea for church windows, I understand they would like four windows done in Four Seasons, Does anyone have an idea on a pattern or what they might mean. This is a Catholic Church.I would appreciate any ideas you may have. I have an appointment this week and would like to know ahead of time. Thanks, Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 21 21:38:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:01:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Rickola@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fume Trap replies Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:04:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov21.13414.0> References: <<1999Nov21.184737.0@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Rickola@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all who responded to my question about the Fume Trap's adequacy. > I'll pass on that product. > In the meantime, if anyone has other suggestions for an effective, > economical, air filtering system, please let us know. > Rick, The lungs are an excellent and highly effective air filtering system. Not too economical though ... you're only issued one pair at birth and growing them in vitro (i.e. cloning them) for later transplantation isn't commercially viable quite yet ... maybe later. Seriously, you might want to check with your local university or chemical supply house. Maybe browse around on the internet with some suppliers of equipment for chemists ... you might be able to get a deal on some used equipment. The needs of sg people are not as stringent as those of chemists since the toxicity of most of the substances involved are many orders of magnitude lower.. Used equipment might be a route worth looking into. New stuff is probably too expensive. Look for someone doing renovation. Just an idea. Worth a few emails and/or telephone calls. Remember, TANSTAAFL ... you get what you pay for. Elcheapo stuff is unlikely to be worth much in terms of protection. For sure no one is going to just walk up and hand you an ultracheap working solution. You'll need to search around. Later ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 22 00:36:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:56:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!beckey911 From: beckey911@earthlink.net To: beckey911@earthlink.net Subject: Re:Cd-rom order Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:53:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Nov21.155311.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Sir or Madam, We thought you like to know that one of the nets premiere on-line casinos is giving away $50.00 to every customer who signs up before Nov 30, 1999. We are sorry to inform you that there was a problem with our cd production and we will no longer be able to send out the cd to you before Nov 30, 1999. 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This email was sent to you because you requested a CD Rom from us. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 22 12:17:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:46:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: patina question Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:52:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov22.35245.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk OK group, How do you get copper patina to apply to lead free solder. I used Novacan Brite Copoper patina and Canfield lead free solder. I ended up having to soak it and then steel wool and (using finishing compound)to wax it down. Very tedious not to mention time wasting! Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 22 15:50:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:33:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Shirley Balloch" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: patina question Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:32:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov22.133233.0> References: <<1999Nov22.35245.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley, What was the problem? Getting the lead-free solder to take the copper patina? When did you use steel wool, was it after applying the patina? Tom Shirley said: ..I used Novacan Brite Copoper patina and Canfield lead free solder. ..ended up having to soak it ..then steel wool and (using finishing compound)to wax it down. Very tedious not to mention time wasting! : Thanks in advance. : Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 22 16:19:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:44:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Subject: Re: need came advice Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:44:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov22.224434.0> References: <<1999Nov21.14304.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1999Nov21.14304.0@?>, Cecily and Ralph Wood writes >My question is > >Is brass came more rigid than brass capped lead came? Yes, of course. > >I'm restoring a 6' by 2' foiled panel that the Army furnature movers and >demolition service managed to damage even though it was in a sturdy >wooden crate (2x4s for edging!) and packed in foam. It was and will be >a beautiful thing, but only copper hobby came was used as edging and >there is no structural reinforcing (there will be). > With structural reinforcing, possibly you only need a wooden frame. But brass is a relatively soft material, just not as soft as lead. >I wanted to get quarter inch/5/8s inch brass u-came - flat or rounded - >for the edges. I figured that would give the best stability aside from >using zinc. Don't want zinc because the foil has been patined bronze >(dark brown) which is definately the right color. Patinaing zinc is >nasty and time consuming and I don't think it accomplishes much. > >I have some brass capped lead came, but it is still bendier than I'd >like. All my local suppliers are out of U shapped brass. I've worked >with both but never had some of each around so I could test which is the >most rigid. So before I drive any great distance (gotta have it done by >next >Sunday), I'd like to know whether it's worth finding the real brass >came. > If you are going to hang the panel by the border came, neither brass nor brass capped came will be strong enough. I am not sure what the function of the perimeter came is. If it is decorative, then use the stuff that gives you the finish you want without concern for strength. If it is to provide strength, you could go for anodised aluminium. If the panel is to go into a window setting ( and I'd think so from the size) the frame will provide the strength around the outside. >Also, I'd assume that the brass capped lead came is heavier, right? >Which would be another reason to get the brass because I think they want >to hang it. > Yes brass capped lead came will be heavier than only brass, but lets not go overboard here. The weight of plain lead came (3/8 inch) is about 200 grams per metre so we are talking about less than 1.4 Kilos or about 3.08 pounds. The glass and solder already in the panel must weigh more than ten times as much, possibly 15 times more. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 22 19:53:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:20:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "Ali Casado" , "Glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Where is everybody??? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 99 20:20:01 Message-ID: <199911230319.UAA29863@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk preChristmas season work.... we're all in our workshops, toiling away.. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 23 10:04:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:33:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cg.yu!pzoran From: Zoran Popovic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: a Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:20:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov23.172047.0> Precedence: bulk hello my name is zoran and l live in Montenegro l have my glassier store for 10 years,and kind Henry Halem was sent me his book soon l will bild my furnice,but l have to learn lot of thing do you know some where l can ask some question(how l can colored my hot glass....etc) please see my beautiful town on www.kotor.com grateful Zoran Popovic from Montenegro ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 23 12:27:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:57:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Brass and patina Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:03:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov23.7331.0> Precedence: bulk This morning I was delivering some of my stuff to one of my retailers and the manager started asking me about patina. She asked if I had ever used "Liver of sulfur". I have not. She said she studied metals in college, and that was what they had always used. She was saying it works great for a brass patina. She said it was available from "Fire Mountain" but I haven't found it in my catalog. Anyone here have any experience with it? Suzanne de Tulsa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 23 13:28:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:58:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'Suzanne Gunn'" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Brass and patina Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:52:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov23.105225.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.metalworks.com/Polish/Liver_Sulfur.htm http://www.fastlane.net/~thehunt/pan.htm liver of sulfur is really potassium sulfide. it's more commonly used to patina silver. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 12:04 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Brass and patina > > > This morning I was delivering some of my stuff to one of my retailers > and the manager started asking me about patina. She asked if > I had ever > used "Liver of sulfur". I have not. > > She said she studied metals in college, and that was what they had > always used. She was saying it works great for a brass patina. She > said it was available from "Fire Mountain" > but I haven't found it in my catalog. > > Anyone here have any experience with it? > > Suzanne de Tulsa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 23 15:06:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:46:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG - sort of; One of us! Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:41:10 -0000 Message-ID: <199911232241.WAA04465@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, At 6.30 am Florida time this morning, Laylah (Lee) Boe went under the surgeon's knife in Sarasota yet again. This was after a waiting period of 7 months, during which time she has been virtually wheel- chair bound. Lee - if you remember - was the Real Estate Agent who fell through a termite eaten ceiling once, about 6-7 years ago - when surveying a property for a client. Lee - during her years of virtual immobility, excruciating pain and mobility only with the help of a wheelchair, became a total dedicated and talented convert to stained glass. Totally unassuming, always chirpy and cheerful. During my journey through USA, it had been one of my aims to spend some time with her, which I also managed to do. She managed to have a great time, held up by the largest collection of pain-killers I have ever seen. We had some great laughs pushing her wheelchair about on the island of Sanibel and some great photographs from the restaurant to which we took her, where the staff treated her like a queen. Today, the surgeon is operating trying to fuse 2 joints of her shattered feet so that she might be able to walk again in a few months time. If all goes well, she will be home again next Friday. She hasn't said anything in Bungi, so I am doing it instead. I think she would be pleased to find a Get Well message or so from any of you who have now and then received her positive and chirpy reply to a question. Her e-mail address is leestat7@home.com Thank you. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 01:17:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:57:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: NG:good wishes Laylah Lee Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:57:15 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov24.105715.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Lailah Lee I´ll be having you in mind and will keep my fingers crossed for you so that the operation is a success and you get on your feet again and soon. I wish you the best of luck and send you a big hug Elena in Spain ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 04:25:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:52:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!uhj787ukj281 From: To: plkm489@aol.com Subject: University Degree Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov24.7317.0> Precedence: bulk UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS Obtain a prosperous future, money earning power, and the admiration of all. Diplomas from prestigious non-accredited universities based on your present knowledge and life experience. No required tests, classes, books, or interviews. Bachelors, masters, MBA, and doctorate (PhD) diplomas available in the field of your choice. No one is turned down. Confidentiality assured. CALL NOW to receive your diploma within days!!! 1-212-465-3248 Call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, including Sundays and holidays. rem- tompp23@angelfire.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 08:56:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:19:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "Jones B.S." To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: digital temperature controlled kiln Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov24.161813.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, somebody on the list recently mentioned that he had and was using a digitially controlled kiln for glass fusing or slumping. Can you contact me please Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 11:25:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:29:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Welcome ZORAN!!! Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <199911241826.SAA25786@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear All, I am again refreshing an old tradition of mine (in Bungi terms). Whenever there was a new "face" that caught my attention in some little corner of Europe, I made sure I raised your attention to it. ZORAN in Yugoslavia, we are all very pleased to have you in our midst!! WELCOME!!!!! There are many exceedingly experienced glass painters amongst us Zoran, I have met some of them myself and can tell you many wonderful and funny stories about them. Please tell us about yourself, your family and your work. In the past, people have sent a little something of a biography to Patrick Kelly ( who used to put it back into the group over the week-ends, but methinks he has drowned underneath his s.g. tu-tu and gone on strike). Please tell us also about your experience of stained glass in Yugoslavia and any history you know about it. We would love to hear more. I myself am a mere beginner where it comes to PAINTING on glass, but there are real experts out there amongst us who can advise you more. May I also take this opportunity to say welcome to Elena in SPAIN. You made yourself heard just as I had returned from USA. Great to hear from you and that you are really quite active in Bungi. Us Europeans have to give those Americans as good as we get, heh!? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 12:03:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:29:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Welcome ZORAN!!! Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <199911241826.SAA25786@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear All, I am again refreshing an old tradition of mine (in Bungi terms). Whenever there was a new "face" that caught my attention in some little corner of Europe, I made sure I raised your attention to it. ZORAN in Yugoslavia, we are all very pleased to have you in our midst!! WELCOME!!!!! There are many exceedingly experienced glass painters amongst us Zoran, I have met some of them myself and can tell you many wonderful and funny stories about them. Please tell us about yourself, your family and your work. In the past, people have sent a little something of a biography to Patrick Kelly ( who used to put it back into the group over the week-ends, but methinks he has drowned underneath his s.g. tu-tu and gone on strike). Please tell us also about your experience of stained glass in Yugoslavia and any history you know about it. We would love to hear more. I myself am a mere beginner where it comes to PAINTING on glass, but there are real experts out there amongst us who can advise you more. May I also take this opportunity to say welcome to Elena in SPAIN. You made yourself heard just as I had returned from USA. Great to hear from you and that you are really quite active in Bungi. Us Europeans have to give those Americans as good as we get, heh!? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 14:04:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:41:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: horizon-research.com!liz From: "E.Hammond" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Chihuly Exhibition Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: <4.1.19991124162146.00938440@192.168.1.1> Precedence: bulk My name is Lizzie and....I'm a lurker. I've gained insight, taken away pointers, and leaned literally hundreds of uses for vinegar while on this list and I appreciate the knowledge that each of you disperses here everyday, especially the vinegar. I have only this to offer: Dale Chihuly Exhibition in Charlotte, North Carolina's Mint Museum from NOW until Jan. 9th. Specifically: A selection of architecturally-scaled, site-specific glass installations from the artist and glass blower who created the Rainbow Flower Frieze in New York's Rockefeller Center. The Tacoma, Washington-based Chihuly has been called "Unquestionably the world's premiere artist whose medium is glass." His installations, made of hand-blown glass, reside in 11 countries and 25 states. So if you're in Charlotte, NC very soon, you too can see this exhibit. I might add that if I hadn't been on this list, I wouldn't know a Chihuly from a Chalupa - whatever that is. Lizzie Horizon Research, Inc. ph: 919-489-1725 111 Cloister Court, Suite 220 fx: 919-493-7589 Chapel Hill, NC 27514 web: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 14:34:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:43:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: testing new system Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:40:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov24.54054.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF3681.8775F940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just testing my brand new computer system (at long last) after 2 years = of waiting, wanting and lusting after a Pentium computer so I can learn = to design online!!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF3681.8775F940-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 15:57:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:22:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: "E.Hammond" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chihuly Exhibition Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:06:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov24.13617.0> References: <<4.1.19991124162146.00938440@192.168.1.1>> Precedence: bulk > My name is Lizzie and....I'm a lurker. > > I might add that if I hadn't been on this list, I wouldn't know a Chihuly > from a Chalupa - whatever that is. Dear Lizzie the Lurker---very happy that you've discovered Dale Chihuly but you've mangled poor Lake Chapala--Mexico's largest lake--by calling it Chalupa. You may want to subscribe to a geography list to straighten things out---who knows? This, together with your newfound knowledge gained on bungi may someday lead you to glassblowing on that very lake in Mexico! Best wishes, Joseph :-) > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 16:24:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:38:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ng: Turky Day Greeting Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:37:15 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov24.233715.0> Precedence: bulk I wish all a Happy Thanksgiving and hope that it is spent with those you love,if not,show your love and spend it with someone who cannot be home for the holiday.A special prayer is sent to Lee in Fla. Take care,Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 18:42:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:08:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:07:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199911250206.VAA10607@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk For "chalupa," see the current series of Taco Bell ads; for "Chihuly," see http://www.chihuly.com/ Enjoy! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 20:14:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:32:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!lizrob From: "E. Hammond" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chihuly Exhibition Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199911250331.WAA23485@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Precedence: bulk I was indeed referring to Taco Bell's lastest goopy "Mexican" food, however, I liked the imagery of glassblowing at Lake Chapala so much more. Tom: Dale Chihuly is a glass artist who has been mentioned on this list, and I might add, highly regarded. As I eluded before, I'm not an expert on the man. I think its best if we both visit the following site: http://www.chihuly.com to find out for ourselves! Lizzie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 24 21:46:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:14:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:33:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Nov24.183335.0> References: <<199911250206.VAA10607@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Albert Lewis wrote: > For "chalupa," see the current series of Taco Bell ads; for > "Chihuly," see http://www.chihuly.com/ > > Enjoy! > > Albert > well, you're half right.... don't trust Taco Hell to define a verdadero chalupa! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 01:56:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:08:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Where's Meric? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.01334.0> References: <<199911241826.SAA25786@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Hummm, is Toby such a bully that he won't allow Meric to sign off on letters too? Time for some manners and consideration of a younger brother, Toby. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 02:14:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:33:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: maruca@netaxs.com Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:33:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199911250931.EAA13576@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > well, you're half right.... don't trust Taco Hell to define a > verdadero chalupa! Well, half right is more than usual for me. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 03:37:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:04:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:05:21 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.13521.0> References: <<199911250206.VAA10607@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi all I've heard people using the word chalupa for a small boat, dingy type ; my dictionary says it can also be a type of corn tortilla (both words mexican in origin). Many beginners or non English speakers can't make the difference between kitchen and chicken. Just a comment. Elena Albert Lewis escribió: > For "chalupa," see the current series of Taco Bell ads; for > "Chihuly," see http://www.chihuly.com/ > > Enjoy! > > Albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 04:40:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:03:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.14918.0> References: <<199911250206.VAA10607@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > For "chalupa," see the current series of Taco Bell ads; for > "Chihuly," see http://www.chihuly.com/ Well, that shows what I get for not dining at Taco Bell! Lake Chapala--pooh! I want a chalupa now! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 05:14:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:42:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:01:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov24.23143.0> References: <<199911250206.VAA10607@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Aha, Not only must one know geography in this fast paced world today, but also, fast foods and their generic names . Carol T Albert Lewis wrote: > For "chalupa," see the current series of Taco Bell ads; for > "Chihuly," see http://www.chihuly.com/ > > Enjoy! > > Albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 10:52:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:51:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elena_Rodr=EDguez?= Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.74836.0> References: <<1999Nov25.13521.0>> Precedence: bulk : Hi all ........snipped............ : Many beginners or non English speakers can't make the difference between : kitchen and chicken. Just a comment. : Elena : Albert Lewis escribi=F3: Really? Let's see: kitchen chicken Can't you see a difference with this comparison? Looks different to me, but then again so does my stained glass art when compared to others stained glass work. Tom ps: Happy Thanksgiving! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 11:11:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "AfghanFancy" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Thanksgiving Blessing (Irish origins) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:58:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.75811.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BF3744.BAABFA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May there always be work for your hands to do May your purse always hold a coin or two May the sun always shine upon your window pane May a rainbow be certain to follow each rain May the hand of a friend always be near to you and=20 May God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you. - author unknown ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BF3744.BAABFA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BF3744.BAABFA80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 13:21:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:41:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: patterns Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:39:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.103937.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone having trouble accessing the Spectrum pattern archives? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 13:54:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:19:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: crosswinds.net!debbiesgarden From: DebbieT To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Using Spectrum to color samples Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:17:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.111746.0> Precedence: bulk Several months ago there was a discussion with directions on how to use Spectrum's online glass samples to "color" patterns. The end result was supposed to look similar to a finished panel. I was trying to find this discussion in the archives and I am overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts in there. I know some people were working on making the archives searchable. Is this task complete? (I'm not rushing anyone). Does anyone remember what month this discussion took place or perhaps did anyone save the directions and can e-mail me a copy? Thanks so much in advance. Debbie T of Baltimore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 15:12:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:35:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:33:17 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov25.193317.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/25/99 1:53:38 PM, thomm@vnet.net writes: >kitchen >chicken > >Can't you see a difference with this comparison? Ahhhhhhhhh, but the plot *really* thickens when you throw a spell-checker into the mix........ like the time our church newsletter went out announcing a "fried children dinner".......... Sparks (never a big fan of church suppers anyway..........) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 18:16:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:10:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: Sugr555@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.ae0040a2.256f3569_boundary" Subject: Fwd: Fw: A Friend Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:59:21 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov26.05921.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_0.ae0040a2.256f3569_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_0.ae0040a2.256f3569_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:09:06 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v65.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:08:44 -0500 Received: from pavilion ([63.14.29.233]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991125020842.QXPI11314@pavilion>; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:08:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01bf36ea$359b98a0$e91d0e3f@pavilion> From: "Michael Calistro" To: "Greg & Krissy" , "Mark & Peggy" , "Rick & Lana Lebel" , "Les & Linda Brittingham" , "Don & Susie Walker" , "Ric & Joy" Subject: Fw: A Friend Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:10:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF36AF.870B3AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF36AF.870B3AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Friend should be Radical, Fanatical, and Most=20 of All, Mathematical!!=20 A Friend should be Radical;=20 They should love you when you're unlovable,=20 Hug you when you're unhuggable,=20 And bear you when you're unbearable.=20 A Friend should be Fanatical;=20 They should cheer when the whole world boos,=20 Dance when you get good news,=20 And cry when you cry too.=20 But most of all, a Friend should be Mathematical,=20 They should multiply the joy, Divide the sorrow,=20 Subtract the past, And add to tomorrow,=20 Calculate the need deep in your heart,=20 And always be bigger than the sum of all their parts.=20 Forward this to all your friends and send it back to=20 the person who sent it to you, and whoever sent this=20 to you really cares about you, and is your friend.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF36AF.870B3AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Friend

 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF36AF.870B3AA0-- --part1_0.ae0040a2.256f3569_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 18:34:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:14:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Using Spectrum to color samples Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:09:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.9938.0> References: <<1999Nov25.111746.0>> Precedence: bulk How to do it depends on what pattern or stained glass software you are using. ----- Original Message ----- From: DebbieT To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 1:17 PM Subject: Using Spectrum to color samples > Several months ago there was a discussion with directions on how to use > Spectrum's online glass samples to "color" patterns. The end result was > supposed to look similar to a finished panel. I was trying to find this > discussion in the archives and I am overwhelmed by the sheer number of > posts in there. I know some people were working on making the archives > searchable. Is this task complete? (I'm not rushing anyone). Does anyone > remember what month this discussion took place or perhaps did anyone > save the directions and can e-mail me a copy? Thanks so much in advance. > > Debbie T of Baltimore > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 25 19:20:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:18:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "DebbieT" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Using Spectrum to color samples Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:05:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov25.9550.0> References: <<1999Nov25.111746.0>> Precedence: bulk > Several months ago there was a discussion with directions on how to use > Spectrum's online glass samples to "color" patterns. The end result was > supposed to look similar to a finished panel. I was trying to find this > discussion in the archives and I am overwhelmed by the sheer number of > posts in there. I know some people were working on making the archives > searchable. Is this task complete? (I'm not rushing anyone). Does anyone > remember what month this discussion took place or perhaps did anyone > save the directions and can e-mail me a copy? Thanks so much in advance. Hi Debbie About a month ago I was cruising in Spectrum's web site and noticed that it's now possible to purchase a disk with all the Spectrum glass samples available, presumably for use with computer design programs. Maybe look under products or something similar. C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 02:03:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:28:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chihuly vs. chalupa Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:25:44 -0000 Message-ID: <199911260926.JAA02961@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk ....Hhhmmmm ...or mixed metaphors.... In my early days of learning English, I caused some giggles when I came out with something like "the dog up chewed the shoe". I prefer the sign outside my front door though: Never mind the dog, beware of the owner! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 08:08:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 07:29:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lead came do's and dont's? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:13:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov26.51327.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone know of site that has tips, tricks etc. for working with lead came? Also, which of the numerous compositions of lead came has the strongest tensile strength? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 11:14:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:27:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bob Collins" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Using Spectrum to color samples Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:21:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov26.22112.0> References: <<383E85D2.4B15D029@nesbeonline.com>> Precedence: bulk Sorry, if I remember correctly someone else answered for the Glasseye during the last discussion. I could have handled Designer I and II, some of the CAD programs and Paint Shop Pro 4 or 5. But not Glasseye. >From my vague memory on what was discussed - The glass eye has a "fill" function? Essentially you tell it to fill using the image. I don't remember anything about the need to convert to BMP's though. Could any of the Glasseye people out there help Bob? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Collins To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:06 AM Subject: Re: Using Spectrum to color samples > I'm using Glasseye, how would I use the Spectrum disk with that? I'd > have to convert all to BMP's, what then? > > Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 11:49:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:00:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lead came do's and dont's? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:01:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199911261859.NAA09473@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Anyone know of site that has tips, tricks etc. for working with lead > came? Also, which of the numerous compositions of lead came has > the strongest tensile strength? Don't know if this is any help, Joseph, but according to Julie Sloan in "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" (AiA Books, $44.95, http://aiap.com/), "At the present time, lead came for restoration is usually specified to contain between 0.03% to 0.06% copper or silver, as well as between 0.5% and 1.0% each of tin and antimony, because the logic of their possible effect on the physical properties of lead is sound and they have no detrimental effects. This lead should withstand at least a century, if not more, of ordinary aging." Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 14:53:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:14:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG - One of us Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:10:45 -0000 Message-ID: <199911262211.WAA09795@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello Bungi-Folks, Lee Boe is home! She got out of hospital yesterday (felt too much like imprisonment and the medication caused allergies!) Her foot has got 3 incisions and there is another around her knee (where bone was harvested). Her follow-up appointment is on 2nd December. Then she will have epidurals and other pain control medication for the rest of the shattered bits in her body. In the meantime, she is hugely enjoying all the get-well messages you have been / are sending her. Her PC is by her bed.... Glass related? Ah yes! her cast is not plaster, but fiber GLASS ;-> Well done Lee!! Glad to have spoken to you and glad you are home! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK .......+ M&%$# (sorry, he hasn't learnt to spell his name yet...) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 15:16:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:19:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: tip Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov26.121640.0> Precedence: bulk You guys are way ahead of me and probably know this but I rigged up something today. Had an "el cheapo" lazy susan", used it when I did a lot of pie and cake making. I dug it out, put an old piece of ceiling tile on it (edged out in duct tape), and it sure worked swell for soldering. Didn't have to twist so much. Just thought I'd pass it on, you have helped me so much. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 15:25:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:47:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lead cephalalgia? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:47:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov26.12477.0> Precedence: bulk Tell me, folks, when you've been sniffing lead or flux fumes for the better part of the day do you get a nasty headache? Or is the headache a result of this damn precision work? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 16:27:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:01:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Joseph Augusta" Subject: Re: Lead cephalalgia? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:57:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov26.135738.0> References: <<1999Nov26.12477.0>> Precedence: bulk Its your sinuses....from the flux. Use a small fan like a muffin fan over the work table to keep the fumes from going up your nose and hopefully directs them towards your exhaust system. The precision work gives you an ulcer not a headache. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Augusta" To: "glass" Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:47 PM Subject: Lead cephalalgia? > Tell me, folks, when you've been sniffing lead or flux fumes for the > better part of the day do you get a nasty headache? Or is the headache > a result of this damn precision work? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 17:29:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:03:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Joseph Augusta" , "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead cephalalgia? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:56:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov26.8566.0> References: <<1999Nov26.12477.0>> Precedence: bulk Yes to all. The precision work gives me a headache when I do it too long without a break. And, the headaches sure got better when I got proper ventilation and started using a respirator when the work allows for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 2:47 PM Subject: Lead cephalalgia? > Tell me, folks, when you've been sniffing lead or flux fumes for the > better part of the day do you get a nasty headache? Or is the headache > a result of this damn precision work? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 18:57:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:13:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: jaugusta@capecod.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Lead came do's and dont's? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:07:37 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov27.2737.0> Precedence: bulk While i can't answer this query, i do have a question that is related, too. There are pros and cons to stretching lead, and i wonder if there is a definitive answer, or if it boils down to which religion you were brought up in. I have heard that the only reason to stretch lead is to straighten it, and if it is already straight, then there is no particular reason to do so. But then someone else told me that it is necessary, becuase it enhances the tensil strength. what's your idea on this? Adnyone may answer. Thanks, Anne Anson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 19:28:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG - Meric Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:52:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Nov26.175224.0> References: <<199911262211.WAA09795@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK .......+ M&%$# (sorry, he hasn't learnt to > spell his name yet...) Hummm, is that Meric not spelling or his mommy trying to housebreak him? Hilary PS Do we have pictures yet? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 26 22:04:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:41:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks to all Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 23:57:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov26.18575.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi, Just wanted say thank you all for your prayers, support, and get well messages, both snail mail and e-cards. I will answer all privately, as soon as my strength starts to recover. The incisions have metal staples holding them together. Elisabeth has been keeping the list up to date with my progress, for which I am very grateful. Did not know so many of you cared, as this is a pretty big mailing list. My foot and leg are in a cast, and so far everything is going ok. The surgery was Tuesday morning last, and had the next 24 hours, being given medicines that I was allergic to. This, after I had told the staff I was allergic to them. Imagine being in a hospital with foot all bound up, and then itching, and breaking out in hives from the meds. Why don't men in general listen, and especially doctors. Grump and phooey on them. My surgeon did a pretty good job, the surgery itself went well. I had to get out of the hospital so I could get some sleep, and eat something besides hospital cardboard , that they laughing call food. YUck. Lee Boe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 27 03:43:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 03:28:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: MATRONA@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead came do's and dont's? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 06:30:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Nov27.03011.0> References: <<1999Nov27.2737.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Anne I was under the impression that if lead isn't stretched it will not be strong enough. And also when you use it in a window gravity will stretch it for you with the resulting disastrous results to the glass in same Regards Gillian MATRONA@aol.com wrote: > While i can't answer this query, i do have a question that is related, too. > There are pros and cons to stretching lead, and i wonder if there is a > definitive answer, or if it boils down to which religion you were brought up > in. I have heard that the only reason to stretch lead is to straighten it, > and if it is already straight, then there is no particular reason to do so. > But then someone else told me that it is necessary, becuase it enhances the > tensil strength. what's your idea on this? Adnyone may answer. > Thanks, Anne Anson > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 27 05:19:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:43:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Using Spectrum to color samples Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:35:36 -0000 Message-ID: <199911271236.MAA24472@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Yes, you do need to convert to BMP. However, why don't you send an e-mail direct to Michael Wilks at Dragonfly. He is extremely helpful and I'm sure he could advise you. Let us know how you get on... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK previous thread: Sorry, if I remember correctly someone else answered for the Glasseye during the last discussion. I could have handled Designer I and II, some of the CAD programs and Paint Shop Pro 4 or 5. But not Glasseye. >From my vague memory on what was discussed - The glass eye has a "fill" function? Essentially you tell it to fill using the image. I don't remember anything about the need to convert to BMP's though. Could any of the Glasseye people out there help Bob? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Collins To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:06 AM Subject: Re: Using Spectrum to color samples > I'm using Glasseye, how would I use the Spectrum disk with that? I'd > have to convert all to BMP's, what then? > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 27 05:35:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:45:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lead came do's and dont's? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:35:36 -0000 Message-ID: <199911271236.MAA24475@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, The prime object to stretch lead came is to anneal it, the secondary is to straighten it out. There is always the odd kinks on the edge of the came which you never notice, no matter how carefully you treat itand it is easier, more efficient and quicker to sort these out by stretching the lead first. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK While i can't answer this query, i do have a question that is related, too. There are pros and cons to stretching lead, and i wonder if there is a definitive answer, or if it boils down to which religion you were brought up in. I have heard that the only reason to stretch lead is to straighten it, and if it is already straight, then there is no particular reason to do so. But then someone else told me that it is necessary, becuase it enhances the tensil strength. what's your idea on this? Adnyone may answer. Thanks, Anne Anson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 27 06:01:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 05:02:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Lead cephalalgia? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:58:00 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov27.12580.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/26/99 8:33:15 PM, atwoods@aisl.bc.ca writes: >And, the headaches sure got better when I got proper ventilation and started >using a respirator when the work allows for it. I get the worst headaches from puttying. Soldering fumes just give me a sore throat........ and a blood lead level I don't want. Pass the mask, please! Sparks Vader ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 27 09:52:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:25:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "bird_cage" To: "bungi group" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:20:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov27.12026.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF38B8.A423A2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glenna, Please unsubscribe. Thank you Cheryl Parrott ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF38B8.A423A2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The attached file is a small .JPEG color scan of the bevel (the best I could do with etched clear glass). I have a customer who would like to purchase a considerable number of these, however, W-C does not have any more. I am getting a quote from a local individual but she doesn't think she can get them for me before the first of the year. Any help from you folks will be greatly appreciated. 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Message-ID: <1999Nov28.105550.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am new to the list as a couple of weeks ago but have done stained glass on and off for 15 years. I am just getting back into it as a part time business and have my first repair job. Would anybody be so kind as to give me some tips before I start. It is a small angel suncatcher piece I was doing for Xmas and I dropped it breaking one of the wing pieces. It already had been patinaed with brass patina and had finishing compound put on it and ready to go. Thanks. Connie PS Also I just bought a Taurus 2.2 ring saw and after very little use the blade snapped. Any ideas or suggestions as to what could of caused this. I have been checking alignment and grommets and not "pushing hard". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 14:06:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:17:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: MATRONA@aol.com Subject: Stretching lead (was:Lead came do's and dont's?) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:03:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.21355.0> References: <<1999Nov27.2737.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I'm glad Anne that anyone can answer, because I don't have definitive answers, just hearsay. I am told that working metals tempers them. The theory is that this would apply to lead too. However it is possible to over work metals - i.e., fatigue. In lead calme, too much stretching can weaken it. If you get a kind of crocodile skin pattern on the surface of the lead, it has been stretched too much and is weaker than before stretching. In addition to stretching, I dress my lead calme. By this I mean that I use a fid to smooth down each leaf of the calme. This works the metal also. It allows the glass to slide over the edge of the calme more easily too. Steve In message <1999Nov27.2737.0@?>, MATRONA@aol.com writes >While i can't answer this query, i do have a question that is related, too. >There are pros and cons to stretching lead, and i wonder if there is a >definitive answer, or if it boils down to which religion you were brought up >in. I have heard that the only reason to stretch lead is to straighten it, >and if it is already straight, then there is no particular reason to do so. >But then someone else told me that it is necessary, becuase it enhances the >tensil strength. what's your idea on this? Adnyone may answer. >Thanks, Anne Anson >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 14:51:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:26:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Ever happened to you? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:23:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.122335.0> Precedence: bulk Has this ever happened to you? I had some friends over--we had a couple of glasses of wine-- and was showing them my newfound skills with the soldering iron, when just as I'm about to take a sip of wine, I pick up the iron instead to take a "sip"! I'm just thankful that Debbie was watching--she shouted - - Joseph! I think you better take a look at what you're about to drink from!-- It wasn't the wine glass but the soldering iron---was I embarassed! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 15:20:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:42:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Connie Bartel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: repair of stained glass and ring saw Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.12175.0> References: <<1999Nov28.105550.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Connie Bartel wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am new to the list as a couple of weeks ago but have done stained > glass on and off for 15 years. I am just getting back into it as a part time > business and have my first repair job. Would anybody be so kind as to > give me some tips before I start. It is a small angel suncatcher piece > I was doing for Xmas and I dropped it breaking one of the wing pieces. > It already had been patinaed with brass patina and had finishing compound > put on it and ready to go. > Thanks. Connie > PS Also I just bought a Taurus 2.2 ring saw and after very little use > the blade snapped. Any ideas or suggestions as to what could of > caused this. I have been checking alignment and grommets and > not "pushing hard". > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass for the epair see my page http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ in the tips section explaining the repair process. as for the saw, contact gemini (the address should be on my links page) they should replace the blade. it shouldn't have done that. make sure you have water in it, it HAS to have the water in it. other then that it was probably a defect. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 15:34:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:53:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Connie Bartel" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: repair of stained glass and ring saw Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:53:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.125318.0> References: <<1999Nov28.105550.0>> Precedence: bulk From: Connie Bartel : Hi all, ............................................I dropped it breaking one of the wing pieces. : It already had been patinaed with brass patina and had finishing compound : put on it and ready to go. : Thanks. Connie : PS Also I just bought a Taurus 2.2 ring saw and after very little use : the blade snapped. Any ideas or suggestions as to what could of : caused this. I have been checking alignment and grommets and : not "pushing hard". Hi Connie, For the angel, most likely you will have to 'undo' some of your soldering to remove and replace the broken glass. To remove the patina, use 0000 grade steel wool. This is the finest steel wool that I'm aware of, it's sold in home improvement stores in their paint departments usually. If the glass nearby is irridized (sp?), you may want to use some masking tape next to the solder line so as not to scratch the glass. If it's regular glass, it's not as critical, just be careful and try to just remove the patina from the solder line. As for the ring saw, all I can say is that I've heard of this breakage happening to others. In fact, they also looked for a cause, checked alignment, replaced grommets, etc. I don't know what to tell you except to try and contact the manufacturer. Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 15:51:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:11:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ever happened to you? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:33:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991128183330.008dd910@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk when just as I'm about to take a sip of wine, I pick up >the iron instead to take a "sip"! Ahhh, so that's why we're reminded not to eat or drink around the wark area! happy thanksgiving Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 16:22:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:40:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: x96dirks@wmich.edu, x91obrien7@wmich.edu, Relf@aol.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Check out The Hunger Site - Thank You For Your Donation Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:35:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov28.23352.0> Precedence: bulk While I might send something over to you once in a while that is silly, I think You'll be glad to know about this site. Somehow they have figured out a way to donate food to different parts of the world, where it's needed most. I hope that if you are a business, you will still take a moment,and pass this website on to your employees, and others you think will be interested. Thanks for reading this, Peace, and hope. Anne Click here: The Hunger Site - Thank You For Your Donation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 16:52:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:09:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Ever happened to you? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:07:01 -0000 Message-ID: <199911290007.AAA09111@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey, I have done some very similar stupid things; like dropping my iron and trying to catch it - the wrong way up- OUCH!! like thinking (usually about 3 in the morning!!) that the iron is my cigarette (DOUBLE OUCH!!) Don't worry!! There ARE other crazy folks about (like me!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ('n incontinent Meric!!! NEWSPAPERS!!!???) Jeeeeez, I've forgotten when THAT stage ends. Oh! ....and by the way, Toby has just tonight experienced the first non-growling session with Meric. It was quite sweet really, all the paternal bit (and another roll of film!!) I must be crazy to share my life with TWO bundles of OES !!! Has this ever happened to you? I had some friends over--we had a couple of glasses of wine-- and was showing them my newfound skills with the soldering iron, when just as I'm about to take a sip of wine, I pick up the iron instead to take a "sip"! I'm just thankful that Debbie was watching--she shouted - - Joseph! I think you better take a look at what you're about to drink from!-- It wasn't the wine glass but the soldering iron---was I embarassed! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 17:54:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:27:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: craft show fun!! Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:27:23 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.12723.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Had a great show this weekend - by far my best yet - but just wanted to share (well, vent) this - a great example of why copyrights are so valuable!: I was busy all weekend, it was sale after sale after sale, when finally a few slow minutes came so I grabbed the opportunity and slipped away to the ladies room. When I came back a mere two minutes later, my booth was empty except for one woman who was leaning over my wrapping area (table), writing something - my first thought was that it was a note for me to hold something. Looking over her shoulder I saw she was drawing one of my patterns while looking up at where it was hanging - with my pen!! Of course I told her right off the bat that I did not appreciate her copying my patterns, and that it was an original design of mine that was copyrighted - one of a few copyrights that I own. I told her that I would not hesitate to take legal action if I found her producing and selling my design at any art/craft show. She continued to go on and on about how it was for a tattoo and that she did not do glass - and left...I chased her down (of course!) and found her in another booth and demanded that she give me her awful scribbling, since the design was rightfully my property. She handed it over, and of course it wasn't for a tattoo since I saw that she had even taken the care to draw where I had the loop and chain attatched! With lots of people all around I made it loud and clear that the owners of original designs under no circumstances allow their original works copied - unless they are asked and permission is given, and that if you are a person without any artistic or creative talent perhaps you should buy some pattern books! I got a few cheers form the painter and jewler whose boothes we were in, and then headed straight to the promoter - explained what happened, and he went to escort the woman from the show, but I guess she had already left...Now, if only I can find her selling my design - I would press charges before she would blink and eye... I guess the best thing to do would be to call our family attorney tomorrow and find out just what I do if I do see my designs copied: I figure, what good is a copyright if you don't stand behind it? Any comments? Laura HiimLaura@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 18:14:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:08:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: chalcot.com.au!chalcot From: "Gordon Newell" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: Ever happened to you? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:08:37 +1100 Message-ID: <1999Nov29.23837.0> Precedence: bulk What about a new twist on an old joke: How do you burn a leadlighters ear? Ring them up when they are soldering. How do you burn the other ear? Ask them to call back. Gordon. -----Original Message----- From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 29 November 1999 11:07 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Ever happened to you? Hey, I have done some very similar stupid things; like dropping my iron and trying to catch it - the wrong way up- OUCH!! [snip] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 18:25:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:40:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Stretching lead (was:Lead came do's and dont's?) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.15395.0> References: <<1999Nov28.21355.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I can only pass along what I remember from physics (don't ask how long ago) and what I was told when I first took a class in leading (Len Berkowitz at Great Panes). First you have to think about lead being a metal, and therefore it is formable, but it also tends to return to it's resting state. If you stretch it, it will gradually shorten back up. The idea, then was to stretch it (which also had the benefit of removing the kinks and some of the dings), wrap it around the glass and solder it. Then over time the lead would tighten around the glass, making an even more secure fabric holding the glass. I was also told that in lead, the stretching aligns the atoms so they are all arranged in the same direction, like a crystal (or like polarizing light or making a laser out of light) and this gives strength. It is true that metals can be formed and they will stay that way, and yes you don't want to stretch it to that point (thanks for the crocodile pattern clue!). But you should actually feel the lead give when pulling, and that's when to stop. As Elizabeth says, that takes muscle. Now, how much of that is the truth I cannot tell, but it seems reasonable. I'd like to know for certain, though. Steve Richard wrote: > I'm glad Anne that anyone can answer, because I don't have definitive > answers, just hearsay. > I am told that working metals tempers them. The theory is that > this would apply to lead too. However it is possible to over work > metals - i.e., fatigue. In lead calme, too much stretching can weaken > it. If you get a kind of crocodile skin pattern on the surface of the > lead, it has been stretched too much and is weaker than before > stretching. > In addition to stretching, I dress my lead calme. By this I > mean that I use a fid to smooth down each leaf of the calme. This works > the metal also. It allows the glass to slide over the edge of the calme > more easily too. > > Steve > > In message <1999Nov27.2737.0@?>, MATRONA@aol.com writes > >While i can't answer this query, i do have a question that is related, too. > >There are pros and cons to stretching lead, and i wonder if there is a > >definitive answer, or if it boils down to which religion you were brought up > >in. I have heard that the only reason to stretch lead is to straighten it, > >and if it is already straight, then there is no particular reason to do so. > >But then someone else told me that it is necessary, becuase it enhances the > >tensil strength. what's your idea on this? Adnyone may answer. > >Thanks, Anne Anson > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 18:33:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:22:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Stretching lead (was:Lead came do's and dont's?) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:44:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.84423.0> Precedence: bulk >>I am told that working metals tempers them. The theory is that this would apply to lead too. However it is possible to over work metals - i.e., fatigue. In lead calme, too much stretching can weaken it. If you get a kind of crocodile skin pattern on the surface of the lead, it has been stretched too much and is weaker than before stretching.<< I agree with everything above. When I stretch a six foot length of 1/4" H-round lead came it will suddenly let forth a low "croak". I immediately stop. The lead will have been stretched about one inch and be somewhat harder due to the working. I feel that it is also slightly better at soldering. Premium lead cames like Cascade may not need extra fid work due to the regularity of the channels formed in the original hydraulic drawing process. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 18:41:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:25:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:22:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.92218.0> Precedence: bulk This afternoon I had the pleasure of seeing part of the George R. Stroemple collection of Dale Chihuly glass sculpture now on display at the California Center for the Arts in Escondido, CA. Mr. Stroemple has been collecting Chihuly glass and paintings for about ten years and perhaps 200 of his 500 pieces were shown. Some are very early Chihuly and quite basic- even functional. Aside from refracting light and that is what it is all about, newer pieces shown do not bow to function. Few, if any, pitchers made by Chihuly could or would ever be used to hold water. The use of color and free form are a thrill for the eye. A few of the pieces were heroic feats of glass blowing. A tape of Chihuly was shown. This man is a salesman and a real down to earth person. Were I a bartender and he, as a stranger, walked in and demanded a drink, I would open a can of cold local beer and serve it to him sans glass. There is no doubt he would accept it and drink. When he starts an art piece he is under no firm illusion of what the final outcome will be. When he works he seems to be curious of what will develop. There are about eight Chihuly shows going on around the world at any one time. For a treat go to one when it gets near you. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 19:24:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:05:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Bob Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.17422.0> References: <<1999Nov28.92218.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the tip off, Bob. I plan to see Chihuly's work now being shown in Charlotte, NC. I also plan to join the 'club', become a dues paying member of the museum. If you haven't checked out that part most museums offer, do so. In my case, joining under the "family plan" (only because they have no category as Married with NO Children) we would be entitled to go to many other museums, for *FREE*. That's right, other museums in the participating program will honor our membership from our home town. Neat, eh? This is a bargain I plan to take full advantage of. After my wife and I visit just 4 times, we hit the free lunch, so to speak. We love the arts, and we support them as we are able. I hope others take advantage of this good thing. Tom - in NC Subject: Chihuly glass sculpture : This afternoon I had the pleasure of seeing part of the George R. Stroemple : collection of Dale Chihuly glass sculpture now on display at the California : Center for the Arts in Escondido, CA. : : Mr. Stroemple has been collecting Chihuly glass and paintings for about ten : years and perhaps 200 of his 500 pieces were shown. Some are very early : Chihuly and quite basic- even functional. Aside from refracting light and : that is what it is all about, newer pieces shown do not bow to function. : Few, if any, pitchers made by Chihuly could or would ever be used to hold : water. : : The use of color and free form are a thrill for the eye. A few of the pieces : were heroic feats of glass blowing. : : A tape of Chihuly was shown. This man is a salesman and a real down to earth : person. Were I a bartender and he, as a stranger, walked in and demanded a : drink, I would open a can of cold local beer and serve it to him sans glass. : There is no doubt he would accept it and drink. When he starts an art piece : he is under no firm illusion of what the final outcome will be. When he : works he seems to be curious of what will develop. : : There are about eight Chihuly shows going on around the world at any one : time. For a treat go to one when it gets near you. : : Bob in 92026 : : : : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 20:57:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:35:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.183013.0> References: <<1999Nov28.17422.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk --------------04B4257EFE509BCD05567117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my yes! If there is a show near you GO! The Baltimore Museum of Art several years ago had a big show and it was simply fantastic. The large pieces, such as gigantic chandeliers are stunning, and the smaller "sea forms" are infinitely varied, yet have the theme of sea creatures. They had many of the larger works in a traditional walk-thru-rooms setting, but the most unique was the long corridor where the sea forms were displayed in netting above your head - a sort of ceiling,, lit from above. And that was indeed wonderful because I am short and usually have to fight my way up to the front in order to see anything, but there, all I had to do was look up and I could see clearly everything (and the place was packed). It was rather like being immersed in his vision of the sea. I have seen some of his sketches which his crew work from, and then I've seen the finished work, and I certainly would never have envisioned from the sketches what the finished work is like. Up til then I'd been a fan, but had only seen individual pieces. Seeing a great number together is really a treat. Tom wrote: > Thanks for the tip off, Bob. I plan to see Chihuly's work now being > shown in Charlotte, NC. > > Tom - in NC > Bob wrote: > > > Subject: Chihuly glass sculpture > : There are about eight Chihuly shows going on around the world at any > one time. For a treat go to one when it gets near you. > : > : Bob in 92026 > -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* --------------04B4257EFE509BCD05567117 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my yes!  If there is a show near you GO!  The Baltimore Museum of Art several years ago had a big show and it was simply fantastic.  The large pieces, such as gigantic chandeliers are stunning, and the smaller "sea forms" are infinitely varied, yet have the theme of sea creatures.  They had many of the larger works in a traditional walk-thru-rooms setting, but the most unique was the long corridor where the sea forms were displayed in netting above your head - a sort of ceiling,, lit from above.  And that was indeed wonderful because I am short and usually have to fight my way up to the front in order to see anything, but there, all I had to do was look up and I could see clearly everything (and the place was packed).  It was rather like being immersed in his vision of the sea.  I have seen some of his sketches which his crew work from, and then I've seen the finished work, and I certainly would never have envisioned from the sketches what the finished work is like.  Up til then I'd been a fan, but had only seen individual pieces.  Seeing a great number together is really a treat.

Tom wrote:

Thanks for the tip off, Bob.  I plan to see Chihuly's work now being shown in Charlotte, NC.

Tom - in NC

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: There are about eight Chihuly shows going on around the world at any one time. For a treat go to one when it gets near you.
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  --------------04B4257EFE509BCD05567117-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 21:27:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:46:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Lead came do's and dont's? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:45:24 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.44524.0> Precedence: bulk MATRONA@aol.com wrote: > >> [...] I have heard that the only reason to stretch lead is to straighten it, >> and if it is already straight, then there is no particular reason to do so. >> But then someone else told me that it is necessary, becuase it enhances >>the tensil strength. what's your idea on this? Stretching lead (or for that matter, mechanically working any freshly cast metal - for instance, a cast iron bar is actually pretty soft until the blacksmith pounds it into a horseshoe) makes it harder and stiffer by "getting all its atomic ducks in a row" as it were. Like most other substances, metals have a micro-crystalline structure that forms when their atoms are packed together as closely as possible. I'll spare us all (including myself) the Heavy Thermodynamical Explanation, but suffice it to say that in general the more micro-crystalline structure a metal has, the harder and stronger it is. (Under controlled conditions in the lab, it's even possible to grow metal crystals large enough to see without a microscope.) Typically, freshly formed (cast, rolled, whatever) metals are "quenched" by immersion or spraying with (most commonly) water to set their shape. That rapid cooling doesn't give the metal atoms a chance to settle into their preferred configuration right away; instead, they form tiny little microcrystals that don't hold together very well. Stretching your lead pulls out the "out of shape" places and gives the metal atoms a chance to line up. (OTOH, stretching the lead *too* much creates microfractures and makes the metal brittle. So there's a happy medium involved.) Anything made with unstretched lead will eventually sag. My mom has a little suncatcher, maybe 6" high, of a pelican with a (relatively) enormous bill pouch; the glass piece in question is maybe 2-1/2" by 1-1/4", but even that's enough to make the outside lead stretch and sag. The thing drives me crazy. Every time I visit, I end up squooshing the lead around the bottom of the pouch back into shape. One o' these ol' daze I'm gonna take a leaf out of Christie's book and silicone-sealer that silly thing into place once and for all! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 21:45:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:46:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:45:18 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.44518.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/28/99 9:42:44 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: > [...] A tape of Chihuly was shown. [...] Was it the one (River of Glass, I think the name of it is; I picked it up at the Delaware Art Museum when they had an exhibition of his work last spring) where he's being interviewed in the *bathtub,* of all places? BTW, the Delaware show is the one where one of his pieces was stolen during the week before Easter. When I was there the following week, the place was crawling with security guards (trying to lock the barn door after the horse had escaped, I'm afraid), and reporters from the local papers were interviewing museum-goers. I was utterly entranced by the work, but the security guards were going nuts because Chihuly had insisted that everything be open and accessible - no display cases or roped-off areas, hence the relative ease of someone's pocketing a piece. They were running around telling everyone to stay 18" away from everything, which wasn't easy - those pieces were just *begging* to be touched. I find it most ironic that the *only* "feminine inner-space yoni imagery" that's ever "really spoken to me" was produced by - or at least under the auspices of - a male! but that's another story...... which I won't go into any further, since I'm told I already have one godchild on the way as a result of my recounting of my first impression of "live" Chihuly glass! At any rate, it occurred to me then that the pieces could have been tagged inconspicuously with itty-bitty magnetic tags, with artfully disguised detectors at the doors of the exhibit hall in case a piece or two decided to go out for a cup of coffee....... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 21:56:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:47:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: HiimLaura@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: craft show fun!! Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:45:20 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.44520.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/28/99 8:55:48 PM, HiimLaura@aol.com writes: >With lots of people all around I made it loud and clear that the owners of >original designs under no circumstances allow their original works copied - >unless they are asked and permission is given, and that if you are a person >without any artistic or creative talent perhaps you should buy some pattern >books! > >I got a few cheers form the painter and jewler whose boothes we were in [...] > >Any comments? YOU GO, GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 23:27:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:58:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:55:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.145526.0> Precedence: bulk >>Was it the one (River of Glass, I think the name of it is; I picked it up at the Delaware Art Museum when they had an exhibition of his work last spring) where he's being interviewed in the *bathtub,* of all places? BTW, the Delaware show is the one where one of his pieces was stolen during the week before Easter. When I was there the following week, the place was crawling with security guards<< The tape was the one that included throwing glass into the water in Vennis. Big C was here a couple of weeks ago and gave a presentation. I had a report that he "Accidently" showed a pic of his two year old and, yes, one of him in the bathtub. Horrible sight I would say. Early on at the show I was so impressed with a piece that I reached out to touch it. Caught myself and put my hands in my back pockets. Shortly thereafter I noticed that the place was crawling with guards. Good thing that I drew my hand back because a warning shot would have caused me to make a great stink. While I might not give $10.00 for a table full of non functional items, there were many pieces that although small (less than 12" cubed) were easily worth in excess of US$1,000.00. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 28 23:50:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:01:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: bobdu@prodigy.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:01:03 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.713.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, If you haven't yet seen Chihuly's 10 million dollar work in the ceiling of the lobby at Bellagio, here in good ol Las Vegas, you should. It is not uncommon to find some of the tourists lying flat on their backs to get photos of the incredible glass "flowers", that make up the chandelier. Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 02:37:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:03:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov28.23580.0> References: <<1999Nov29.44518.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Sparks, I am 4 days out of the hospital, the foot/joint fusion went well I'm told. But "HURT" OWWWWWWWIE No one who has not had their bones drilled and ground up, has ANY CLUE , how much it hurts. Surgery was 2 1/2 hours, and 4 days in the hospital. I had to escape to home to get some sleep, and something edible to eat. Airline 'food' is gourmet fare compared to this. Howard has just gone through this with a hip replacement I understand. I was 'off list' when he posted that. So Howard I hope you are doing fine now. My hospital roommate (77 years old) had her hip done 2 days before and was in great pain. I'm up now, 5 am, trying to get foot to settle down enough to go back to sleep. > At any rate, it occurred to me then that the pieces could have been tagged > inconspicuously with itty-bitty magnetic tags, with artfully disguised > detectors at the doors of the exhibit hall in case a piece or two decided to > go out for a cup of coffee....... > > Sparks I've wondered the same thing. During the GAS show in Tampa in September I went around to some of the gallery's that had taken advantage of the ad/publicity to stage glass artists exhibitions. One had several works of Robert Mickleson (sp?) that left me in awe. I got there before it was officially open, and being in my wheelchair, they let me in to look. With out the usual 'overseer's' in attendance I got right up close, and even verrrry gently touched a couple. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Like an itch that is finally scratched. Most of us have some extra senses in the fingertips (Artists, I mean) and can almost 'see' the creative thought, if you touch the object. If you have/can do it, you know what I mean. Just gently touch, close your eyes, and the energies come tumbling in. I owe a lot of private get well messages, this is the first I've felt up to trying to answer everyone. Lee Boe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 04:40:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:52:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: cecnralph@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:51:10 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.115110.0> Precedence: bulk In the Kalamazoo Art Center aka KIA there is a Chihuly in the entry. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 04:58:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:02:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: cecnralph@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stretching lead (was:Lead came do's and dont's?) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:00:24 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.12024.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/28/1999 9:27:08 PM EST, cecnralph@home.com writes: Thanks to all who are writing about the lead stretching conundrum. i believe about half of what you are saying. It does make acertain amount of sense to say that stretching aligns the molecules. However it's not so easy to believe the thing about lead shrinking. In my experience, once it's stretched, it's stretched. For instance in an old buckled window. The lead is often too long for it's space there, and needs to be trimmed before the window can be returned to it's original flatness. I believe that though lead can be stretched, it is not plastic, and cannot shrink. Let's keep looking for that one answer. Anne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > Subj: Re: Stretching lead (was:Lead came do's and dont's?) > Date: 11/28/1999 9:27:08 PM EST > From: cecnralph@home.com (Cecily and Ralph Wood) > To: glass@bungi.com (Bungi Glass) > > I can only pass along what I remember from physics (don't ask how long ago) > and > what I was told when I first took a class in leading (Len Berkowitz at Great > Panes). First you have to think about lead being a metal, and therefore it > is > formable, but it also tends to return to it's resting state. If you stretch > it, > it will gradually shorten back up. The idea, then was to stretch it (which > also > had the benefit of removing the kinks and some of the dings), wrap it around > the > glass and solder it. Then over time the lead would tighten around the glass, > > making an even more secure fabric holding the glass. > > I was also told that in lead, the stretching aligns the atoms so they are > all > arranged in the same direction, like a crystal (or like polarizing light or > making a laser out of light) and this gives strength. > > It is true that metals can be formed and they will stay that way, and yes > you > don't want to stretch it to that point (thanks for the crocodile pattern > clue!). But you should actually feel the lead give when pulling, and that's > when to stop. As Elizabeth says, that takes muscle. > > Now, how much of that is the truth I cannot tell, but it seems reasonable. > I'd > like to know for certain, though. > > Steve Richard wrote: > > > I'm glad Anne that anyone can answer, because I don't have definitive > > answers, just hearsay. > > I am told that working metals tempers them. The theory is that > > this would apply to lead too. However it is possible to over work > > metals - i.e., fatigue. In lead calme, too much stretching can weaken > > it. If you get a kind of crocodile skin pattern on the surface of the > > lead, it has been stretched too much and is weaker than before > > stretching. > > In addition to stretching, I dress my lead calme. By this I > > mean that I use a fid to smooth down each leaf of the calme. This works > > the metal also. It allows the glass to slide over the edge of the calme > > more easily too. > > > > Steve > > > > In message <1999Nov27.2737.0@?>, MATRONA@aol.com writes > > >While i can't answer this query, i do have a question that is related, > too. > > >There are pros and cons to stretching lead, and i wonder if there is a > > >definitive answer, or if it boils down to which religion you were brought > up > > >in. I have heard that the only reason to stretch lead is to straighten > it, > > >and if it is already straight, then there is no particular reason to do > so. > > >But then someone else told me that it is necessary, becuase it enhances > the > > >tensil strength. what's your idea on this? Adnyone may answer. > > >Thanks, Anne Anson > > >---- > > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > -- > > Steve Richard > > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) > by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:27:08 -0500 > Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-zd03. > mx.aol.com (v65.4) with ESMTP; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:26:48 -0500 > Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:40:40 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) > X-Path: home.com!cecnralph > From: Cecily and Ralph Wood > To: Bungi Glass > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac- > creator="4D4F5353" > Subject: Re: Stretching lead (was:Lead came do's and dont's?) > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:39:05 -0500 > Message-ID: <1999Nov28.15395.0> > References: <<1999Nov28.21355.0>> > Organization: Grendel Studios > Precedence: bulk > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 07:11:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:33:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:32:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.143213.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/29/99 2:29:43 AM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: >[...] he "Accidently" showed a pic of his two year old and, yes, one of >him in the bathtub. Horrible sight I would say. The bathtub interview I saw was done in Finland, I think. Luckily it was one of those old-fashioned deep tubs. He was still a scary sight though, especially once he got out the shaving cream and the razor...... >While I might not give $10.00 for a table full of non functional items, >there were many pieces that although small (less than 12" cubed) were easily >worth in excess of US$1,000.00. At the Delaware show, there was a "basket" for sale in the museum shop. About 7" diameter by 9" high, priced at $3000. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 08:10:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:45:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!mschut From: Mike Schut To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: AGSAI Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:24:04 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19991129112404.23077836@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca> Precedence: bulk I am in the process of trying to set up a retail/wholesale glass supply shop. Does anyone know how I can get into contact with the Art Glass Suppliers Association International? Do they have a web site? Any other information or tips would be greatly appreciated. ---------------------------------------- "Stained Glass by Mike & Pam" Mike, Pam, Jonathan, Kayla & Devin Schut Moncton, New Brunswick ---------------------------------------- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 09:06:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:28:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: Mike Schut Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: AGSAI Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:30:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov29.6305.0> References: <<3.0.1.16.19991129112404.23077836@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca>> Precedence: bulk Just leave off the i. http://www.agsa.org/ Brad Walker Mike Schut wrote: > I am in the process of trying to set up a retail/wholesale glass supply > shop. Does anyone know how I can get into contact with the Art Glass > Suppliers Association International? Do they have a web site? > > Any other information or tips would be greatly appreciated. > ---------------------------------------- > "Stained Glass by Mike & Pam" > Mike, Pam, Jonathan, Kayla & Devin Schut > Moncton, New Brunswick > ---------------------------------------- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 10:37:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:52:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:49:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov29.14931.0> References: <<1999Nov28.145526.0>> Precedence: bulk All this talk about not being allowed near/touch Chihuly pieces puts me in mind of a "little" incident when several of us accompanied Elisabeth on a tour of Chihuly's Seatlle studios back in September. We were in their "research work space" where they experiment with new concepts and ideas...including the idea of blowing plastic as a substitute for blown glass for a commission for the Disney cruise ships (who wants all that glass clanking in a chandelier on a moving boat, right?). I was examining a piece about 15" diameter left on a bench in the "plastics" area that was so good it looked like glass. I picked it up, tapped it, turned it over quite casually and called the others over to say...hey these plastic reproductions are pretty good, I can't tell the difference between it and glass. At that moment our guide informed me that it was NOT plastic, but actually was glass, sent down as a possible model. I had been handling the piece quite confidently (assuming it was plastic and the concrete floor would do it no damage if dropped), but Elisabeth, Pam and Cheryl thought I was going to drop it in my haste to replace it on the work bench. Apparently my face was pretty interesting in that moment also as I realized I'd been flipping about $5,000 worth of Chihuly art around like it was unbreakable. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture > >>Was it the one (River of Glass, I think the name of it is; I picked it up > at > the Delaware Art Museum when they had an exhibition of his work last spring) > where he's being interviewed in the *bathtub,* of all places? > > BTW, the Delaware show is the one where one of his pieces was stolen during > the week before Easter. When I was there the following week, the place was > crawling with security guards<< > > The tape was the one that included throwing glass into the water in Vennis. > > Big C was here a couple of weeks ago and gave a presentation. I had a report > that he "Accidently" showed a pic of his two year old and, yes, one of him > in the bathtub. Horrible sight I would say. > > Early on at the show I was so impressed with a piece that I reached out to > touch it. Caught myself and put my hands in my back pockets. Shortly > thereafter I noticed that the place was crawling with guards. Good thing > that I drew my hand back because a warning shot would have caused me to make > a great stink. > > While I might not give $10.00 for a table full of non functional items, > there were many pieces that although small (less than 12" cubed) were easily > worth in excess of US$1,000.00. > > Bob in 92026 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 11:41:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:05:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "synergyglass" , "Bungi" Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov29.9425.0> References: <<1999Nov29.14931.0>> Precedence: bulk One thing you learn as an artist......you never touch another artist's work. A real no no . Unless of course the artist him/herself invites you to touch. I can't imagine going to anyone's studio and putting my hands on their work. I guess its something you learn with time......its called respect. At Chihuly's I am surprised they didn't charge you for the touch.....or escort you out the door. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "synergyglass" To: "Bungi" Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture > All this talk about not being allowed near/touch Chihuly pieces puts me in > mind of a "little" incident when several of us accompanied Elisabeth on a > tour of Chihuly's Seatlle studios back in September. We were in their > "research work space" where they experiment with new concepts and > ideas...including the idea of blowing plastic as a substitute for blown > glass for a commission for the Disney cruise ships (who wants all that glass > clanking in a chandelier on a moving boat, right?). I was examining a piece > about 15" diameter left on a bench in the "plastics" area that was so good > it looked like glass. I picked it up, tapped it, turned it over quite > casually and called the others over to say...hey these plastic reproductions > are pretty good, I can't tell the difference between it and glass. At that > moment our guide informed me that it was NOT plastic, but actually was > glass, sent down as a possible model. I had been handling the piece quite > confidently (assuming it was plastic and the concrete floor would do it no > damage if dropped), but Elisabeth, Pam and Cheryl thought I was going to > drop it in my haste to replace it on the work bench. Apparently my face w as > pretty interesting in that moment also as I realized I'd been flipping about > $5,000 worth of Chihuly art around like it was unbreakable. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Duchesneau > To: Bungi ; > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture > > > > >>Was it the one (River of Glass, I think the name of it is; I picked it > up > > at > > the Delaware Art Museum when they had an exhibition of his work last > spring) > > where he's being interviewed in the *bathtub,* of all places? > > > > BTW, the Delaware show is the one where one of his pieces was stolen > during > > the week before Easter. When I was there the following week, the place was > > crawling with security guards<< > > > > The tape was the one that included throwing glass into the water in > Vennis. > > > > Big C was here a couple of weeks ago and gave a presentation. I had a > report > > that he "Accidently" showed a pic of his two year old and, yes, one of him > > in the bathtub. Horrible sight I would say. > > > > Early on at the show I was so impressed with a piece that I reached out to > > touch it. Caught myself and put my hands in my back pockets. Shortly > > thereafter I noticed that the place was crawling with guards. Good thing > > that I drew my hand back because a warning shot would have caused me to > make > > a great stink. > > > > While I might not give $10.00 for a table full of non functional items, > > there were many pieces that although small (less than 12" cubed) were > easily > > worth in excess of US$1,000.00. > > > > Bob in 92026 > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 14:39:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:22:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New Product Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov29.6303.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I found this on the web. 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Personal Air Supply Product WA0100 Free Shipping & Gift Wrap $99.00 http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtStore?t=8134&c=195636&r=ECPAM000 HealthyHome Catalog HealthyHome Catalog Product 0 Free Shipping & Gift Wrap $0.00 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 16:09:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:27:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Church Windows Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:25:47 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.232547.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, I am doing almost the exact same thing, except that it is for a Lutheran Church. They want the four windows, four seasons theme as well. In my case, the congregation got together and shared "Faith" stories with each other, and decided what they would like to see in their windows!! It has been an immense help to me! They have come up with some great ideas! Perhaps this might work for you as well. Hope this helps! Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 16:38:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:49:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: kitchen/chicken Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:43:55 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov29.234355.0> Precedence: bulk I had an "exchange" sister from Spain who ALWAYS mixed up those two words!! It was quite entertaining! Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 17:24:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:49:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: jaugusta@capecod.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ever happened to you? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:45:48 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov30.04548.0> Precedence: bulk Joseph, No, that never happened but I have often times placed my flux brush into my coffee cup inside of the flux jar. I have a similar story that happened to my mother. She was working in a very busy Laundromat, she was the owner and did hand ironing for customers. I stopped in to see her one day and she had a hugh bandage on the left side of her face and ear. She removed the bandage to reveal this ugly burn. Then proceeded to tell me the story. It was a very busy day, she was ironing, the phone rang......and yes, you got it..........she answered the iron! The burn mark on her face and ear was the exact imprint of the iron. She was so stunned by it all that she couldn't even figure out why the phone was still RINGING! Fortunately, the burn did not scar. Definitely time for a VACATION. Luanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 18:20:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:44:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:43:27 -0000 Message-ID: <199911300144.BAA15574@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, In between - what seems for AGES - mopping up after puppy, earning a crust, teaching and domestic chores - I too relive memories fondly. Ooooohhhh Carol!!! Your face was a picture!! Have only recently got most of my photos back and THEY were a treat too!! I'm surprised that I was allowed to take photographs so liberally. Anyone interested in my collection??? If you remember, Pamela Burns-Tappan boldly enquired whether the Chihuly Studio would entertain a stained glass artist from England for the day. They said "yes" and so we tropped off in great excitement. It wasn't as much experimental but more of a collection of mock-up studioS of what actual installations were going to look like. We literally waded in bits of strange shaped hand-blown glass; blown into shapes you wouldn't have thought conceivable or possible. Jennifer, our hostess of the afternoon, was very obliging and also told us what would happen if any of the staff DID (God forbid) break one of the zillion pieces that made up one of the creations. It would appear that Dale is quite down to earth about the whole thing and valued his staff and their input far above "HIS" creations. We all got the impression that the glass artists working for him, really enjoyed doing so and felt that he was a Good Caring Boss. I am still ambivalent about his lamp creations...... But some of the stuff we saw in the display cabinets, were really quite incredible, very organic, extremely thought provoking.... and yes.... I have some of that on film. My next project is to put some of my negatives on photo CD. That will take some time, as it is quite expensive here in UK. In the meantime - however - I do have the initial prints and will be more than delighted to share what I got by means of my scanner. I have some really wonderful photographs. I have still about 5-6 films to develop ( out of about 50 between Jenny and myself). But most of those are from New York. Oh... and yes... there are some WONDERFUL photos of a half- naked Mr. O'Tutu. I am still waiting to hear the price worth to him for me NOT putting these on for public circulation... ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (not forgetting a little Godson of about 700 folks called Meric - who still pees all over the place!!!!! [sigh!]) Carol Swann wrote: All this talk about not being allowed near/touch Chihuly pieces puts me in mind of a "little" incident when several of us accompanied Elisabeth on a tour of Chihuly's Seatlle studios back in September. We were in their "research work space" where they experiment with new concepts and ideas...including the idea of blowing plastic as a substitute for blown glass for a commission for the Disney cruise ships (who wants all that glass clanking in a chandelier on a moving boat, right?). I was examining a piece about 15" diameter left on a bench in the "plastics" area that was so good it looked like glass. I picked it up, tapped it, turned it over quite casually and called the others over to say...hey these plastic reproductions are pretty good, I can't tell the difference between it and glass. At that moment our guide informed me that it was NOT plastic, but actually was glass, sent down as a possible model. I had been handling the piece quite confidently (assuming it was plastic and the concrete floor would do it no damage if dropped), but Elisabeth, Pam and Cheryl thought I was going to drop it in my haste to replace it on the work bench. Apparently my face was pretty interesting in that moment also as I realized I'd been flipping about $5,000 worth of Chihuly art around like it was unbreakable. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 18:49:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:46:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Another European Trip?? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:43:27 -0000 Message-ID: <199911300144.BAA15571@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk OK Folks, You have asked - here it is. Under the auspices of Samuel Whitbread College again (where I also teach stained glass)they have agreed to underwrite, organize and realize ANOTHER trip to Europe, with particular stained glass relevance. On 5 - 7th July inclusive 2000 ( i.e. 3 full days), there WILL be a trip to Amsterdam in Holland from UK, which will focus on Van Gogh Museum and the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam, but which will embrace and include stained glass sites also. The cost of the trip itself from UK will be kept LOW (for "Starvers"), but will be nevertheless "civilized". If you would like to combine it with a tour to UK and UK stained glass sites and suffer my Swedish cooking then I would be absolutely delighted to hear from you. It will also be a wonderful opportunity for you to meet in person Toby Tobias and your Godson Meric Monterey. My property has been added to through the purchase of next-door, so there will be sleeping accommodation available for more people than before. (Oh yes - come and fight for space with my KILN!!) The exact cost of the trip to Amsterdam is still being worked out by Samuel Whitbread. It WILL be more than the trip to Chartres; a) because it's been 3 years on b) because Holland is more expensive than France c) the journey is slightly longer But I intend to keep it affordable. And if you come over here, you will be welcome to stay here with me. PLEASE REGISTER INTEREST. - No more. No commitment yet.In due course I will get more details and will let you all know. ( Dani?? IGGA interest?? Possible cause?? Willing to do my bit...) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 18:51:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:22:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Laminating glass on glass Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:22:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Nov29.182214.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk Can anyone explain the best way to attach glass onto the back of glass on a copper foil panel? I would like to attach a piece of ripple glass onto the back of water glass for shading. Is this done with silicone? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Gail ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 21:22:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:37:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Kauriee@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: kitchen/chicken Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:08:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Nov29.18850.0> References: <<1999Nov29.234355.0>> Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > I had an "exchange" sister from Spain who ALWAYS mixed up those two words!! > It was quite entertaining! > > Kauriee Want to return the entertainment? Try confusing cansada and casada (easy to do when you are extremely the former). m ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 29 22:24:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:55:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: Rbytl@aol.com, bobdu@prodigy.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:54:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov30.55414.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/29/99 1:52:07 AM Central Standard Time, Rbytl@aol.com writes: << It is not uncommon to find some of the tourists lying flat on their backs to get photos of the incredible glass "flowers", that make up the chandelier. >> I have to admit that I was one of these tourists who tried this last year. The photos came out OK but just didn't really do it justice. It's one of those things you just have to see in person. However I now wonder if those flowers are really glass or are they plastic? It does seem like a large liability for the hotel to have so much glass over so many tourists' heads. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 01:27:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:39:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ever happened to you? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:32:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov29.223233.0> References: <<1999Nov30.04548.0>> Precedence: bulk From: ...................................she was ironing, the phone rang......and yes, you got : it..........she answered the iron! The burn mark on her face and ear was the : exact imprint of the iron. : Luanne Luanne, I'm glad the person didn't call back! Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 02:01:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:13:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Restoration Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:14:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov29.231435.0> Precedence: bulk Interesting true stained glass story, I ran across and thought I would pass it along http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/1998/11/remarkable_01.html I hope you will enjoy it as much as I did. You can see the windows at http://www.meaford.com/town/church_anglican.htm Happy Holidays, Jill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 03:35:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:07:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stretching lead Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:02:53 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov30.11253.0> Precedence: bulk I appreciate all the leading information and have now a question: I bought some lead approx. a year ago and it was stretched by the seller at that time. I have several pieces left and am wondering as one of the comments said it will gradually return to its former state. Does the remaining lead have to be restretched? Thanks for any answers. Shirley G ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 04:09:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:35:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!elsiemt From: elsie turqman To: glass Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1E05B7D6EEA14127A912053D" Subject: Website Glass Exhibit Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.1395.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1E05B7D6EEA14127A912053D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My daughter forwarded this site to me. It is an American 20th century glass exhibit. I hope some of you find it interesting. Elsie > http://www.tfaoi.com/newsm1/n1m460.htm --------------1E05B7D6EEA14127A912053D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mail5.bellatlantic.net ([151.198.0.38]) by immta1.bellatlantic.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991129162238.KKPH2617.immta1@mail5.bellatlantic.net> for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:22:38 -0500 Received: from ahlacomm.healthlawyers.org (ml.nhla.org [207.196.94.194] (may be forged)) by mail5.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17214 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by ml.nhla.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:10:55 -0500 Message-ID: <616C8B1207F7D111923800805FBB567E53FE99@ml.nhla.org> From: Elizabeth Turqman To: "Elsie Turqman (E-mail)" Subject: exhibit Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:10:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.tfaoi.com/newsm1/n1m460.htm Elizabeth S. Turqman, Esq., Editor in Chief American Health Lawyers Ass'n 1025 Connecticut Ave., NW, Ste. 600 Washington, DC 20036 phone 202.833.0756 fax 202.833.1105 e-mail eturqman@healthlawyers.org www.healthlawyers.org --------------1E05B7D6EEA14127A912053D-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 04:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:59:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Restoration Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:14:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199911301112.GAA21757@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Well, it's an interesting story, but it's not really "restoration," since that would mean restoring the original windows to their initial appearance and reinstalling them in their original locations, rather than doing as is described here -- picking up bits of different windows and creating something "new" out of them and *calling that restoration. Reminds me of the so-called 'restoration' at York Cathedral -- bits of glass (not coherent images, mind you ... just bits of glass) gathered up and assembled into an image ... then calling it "the earliest stained glass window in England." Don't think so. Albert > Interesting true stained glass story, I ran across and thought I > would pass it along > http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/1998/11/remarkable_01.html > > I hope you will enjoy it as much as I did. > You can see the windows at > http://www.meaford.com/town/church_anglican.htm > > Happy Holidays, > Jill > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To > send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives > available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 07:17:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:18:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: New Product Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:18:42 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov30.141842.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/29/99 5:41:00 PM, balloch@netbridge.net writes: >I found this on the web. I don't know anything about it. I was >wondering if it would work for us while we are soldering???? I wouldn't bother. From the description, I presume that the thing is fan-driven and doesn't involve a face mask, so the stream of "clean" air it's producing isn't isolated from the dirty air around it. So the dirty air is being pulled back in by the movement of the "clean" air stream coming at your face and you're going to breathe it anyway. The 90% efficiency rating is pretty lousy anyway, and there's no telling what kind of conditions were used for testing - did they test it under "real life" conditions where outside air mixes back in, or did they isolate the clean air stream and measure things that way? Better to go out and buy an OSHA-approved respirator mask and 2 or 3 replacement sets of cartridges for that $99. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 07:34:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:27:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Re: kitchen/chicken Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:23:56 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov30.142356.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/30/99 12:24:08 AM, maruca@netaxs.com writes: >Want to return the entertainment? Try confusing cansada and casada (easy >to do when you are extremely the former). Yeah, I'll say!!!!!!!!!!! My favorite story along those lines involved a friend who did something that made him feel like an idiot, then compounded his troubles by admitting he was "muy embarasado" (don't remember if I spelled that right), only to find out.......... ............. it doesn't mean "embarrassed" ------- it means PREGNANT! =8-O Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 07:50:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:32:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:31:23 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov30.143123.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/29/99 9:26:31 PM, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: >It would appear that Dale is quite down to earth about the whole >thing and valued his staff and their input far above "HIS" creations. >We all got the impression that the glass artists working for him, >really enjoyed doing so and felt that he was a Good Caring Boss. I sure got a shock from watching the "River of Glass" video and seeing all the high jinks and shenanigans that went on in the studio. A guy skipping around with loaded blowpipes, 2 others doing an energetic Irish jig, a fellow practically *running* across the room with a great big blown shape to be annealed......... and when they got to flinging the finished pieces into the river and something just happened to smack into the bridge railing, they seemed to treat that as an "artistic happening" in its own right! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 08:22:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:39:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bankpds.com!avssg From: Anna Sagami To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Computers and Designing glass Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:41:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.14153.0> Organization: Design-a-Way Products Precedence: bulk Does anyone know the best computer designing program for stained glass, also if you were going to buy a new computer, any comments on the best computer for art work and designing stained glass? Sincerely, Anna Verbsky Sagami Design-a-Way Stencils and Patterns www.designaway.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 10:08:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:13:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: out with the old.... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:04:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.6423.0> Precedence: bulk Hello---We've decided to purchase a new internet Winnebago (a cable modem)--so the old address-- jaugusta@capecod.net-- is now sadly hanging from the rafters. Our new address is jaugusta@adelphia.net Best wishes to all, and may you survive the holidays! Joseph Augusta jaugusta@adelphia.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 10:20:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:20:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Question Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:26:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.12632.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk HI gang, I am doing some Rub n Etch. The little popcicle stick that comes with it goes dull after 3 rubbing(well for me anyway). Any of you have an alternative easier, quicker way to rub this stuff on? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 10:34:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:51:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: FYI:patina and lead free solder Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:56:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.15640.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I was making jewerly. I took copper wire and curled it in all different shapes and then soldered glass nuggets in the loops I had made. These were pins, so they needed to be made with lead free solder. I ended up soaking the pins in the patina, 5 minutes to 3 hours. The solder did take the patina then. But it looked like a disease starting to happen. So I steel wooled it a little and then polished the heck out of it with finishing compound. That worked. But....being in the patina so long caused the foil to come apart where I have not built up a good thick edge. When I resoldered these areas and then dipped the whole pin again, the previous dipped areas turn permenantly black. Plus my copper wire was copper plated and the patina ate off the plating in areas, leaving the wire silver or black in places. Must be why our forefathers choose to do jewerly in silver and gold, huh? If this sounds like a neat idea to you guys, well I have taken my pins to 3 shows now and can only peddle them at a $2.50 price tag, plus they were juried and turned down. In other words, I haven't had much luck with them except to practice with patina on lead free solder. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 11:21:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:40:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: out with the old.... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:41:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199911301839.NAA04854@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Our new address is > jaugusta@adelphia.net You're gonna love it, Joseph. I've been with adelphia for several months now and, as far as I can tell, it zooms along about 55x faster than a 28.8 modem ... and you never have to dial up or log off. It's always on, just like the cable TV. It makes downloading large stained glass images so much easier! Albert alewis@adelphia.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 11:38:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:51:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Shirley Balloch" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.85048.0> References: <<1999Nov30.12632.0>> Precedence: bulk : HI gang, : I am doing some Rub n Etch. The little popcicle stick that comes with : it goes dull after 3 rubbing(well for me anyway). Any of you have an : alternative easier, quicker way to rub this stuff on? : Thanks in advance. : Shirley B Shirley, Chopsticks will do the trick as will the type of round wooden pointed sticks used for candy apples, corn-on-the-cob, etc. I bought a huge amount of those types of sticks in one box (over 1,000 of them I'm sure) from a seller on eBay. This type of item was listed in the Misc., Equipment, Restaurant area. Check it out, you never know what you will find there. Also, there are sellers of wooden smaller Popsicle type sticks used in restaurants that sell steak dinners. Those type would say Rare, Medium, Well, etc. I am going to buy some of those type for new seedlings that we do for our garden produce every year. If you were to buy this from a garden shop the cost would be prohibitive, but it's not when you look for restaurant surplus stuff. Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 11:57:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:10:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Anna Sagami" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Computers and Designing glass Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:06:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.3629.0> Precedence: bulk I use American Bevel Designer II. Most any old computer will run software for designing stained glass. Eight megs of RAM and a 33 MHZ processor is plenty for light programs like this. Do a search on Dejanews for many post to rec.crafts.glass on software for stained glass including CAD programs that are for general purposes. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 13:23:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:41:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: test Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:40:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.104021.0> Precedence: bulk test ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 14:05:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:14:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scottsburg.com!gregb From: "Greg" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:09:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.11948.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF3B4D.5307BD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg Brown Glass By Design http://glassbydesign.safeshopper.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF3B4D.5307BD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF3B4D.5307BD80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 14:37:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:53:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Gail HeinzeMiline Subject: Re: Laminating glass on glass Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:46:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.84634.0> References: <<1999Nov29.182214.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Gail, You can double plate the area. This is done by cutting the ripple glass to the size you want to "shade", foil it, tin it, clean it, then solder it with no more flux to the existing piece(s). If you do silicone it, don't do it except at the edge of the glass, as the silicone will change the effect of the ripple as well as anything else it gets onto. Steve In message <1999Nov29.182214.0@?>, Gail HeinzeMiline writes >Can anyone explain the best way to attach glass onto the back of glass >on a copper foil panel? I would like to attach a piece of ripple glass >onto the back of water glass for shading. Is this done with silicone? >Any help is greatly appreciated. > >Thanks! >Gail > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 14:59:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:21:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Bleubrd3 From: Bleubrd3@aol.com To: MATRONA@aol.com, x96dirks@wmich.edu, x91obrien7@wmich.edu, Relf@aol.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Check out The Hunger Site - Thank You For Your Donation Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:15:28 EST Message-ID: <1999Nov30.221528.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/28/99 6:35:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, MATRONA writes: << Subj: Check out The Hunger Site - Thank You For Your Donation Date: 11/28/99 6:35:02 PM Eastern Standard Time From: MATRONA To: x96dirks@wmich.edu, x91obrien7@wmich.edu, Relf To: alight@minerva.cis.yale.e du, ABarney52, B leubrd 3 To: ansons@worldnet.att.net To: jeffanson@worldnet.att.net , Buckwet To: dblairanson@worldnet.att .net, Rickonator To: chubarova@yahoo.com, LilBarb To: btanis@remc12.k12.mi.us, Bear@mail.portup.com To: Blenko@usa.net, brigid_b@hotmail.com To: sbdc@kzoo.edu, CKlug9344, CMAgP To: Cpanse@bizloop.com, darcadso@hotmail To: rlhosack@juno.com, Embob H, glasw iz@teleport.com To: glass@bungi.com, gjr@bungi.com, Mori tz200 To: hmt@wkkf.org, Steel@cybermind-usa.net, Burke2325 To: Shinesunn11, Judyswaves, Marymom75< /A> To: hmazard@freeway.net, GlasPadrik, PDRahn @cs.com To: Tazilla, stephwilson4@yahoo.com, BINNS SG To: SMYLAND1, VHDREN , duckblind@mei.net While I might send something over to you once in a while that is silly, I think You'll be glad to know about this site. Somehow they have figured out a way to donate food to different parts of the world, where it's needed most. I hope that if you are a business, you will still take a moment,and pass this website on to your employees, and others you think will be interested. Thanks for reading this, Peace, and hope. Anne Click here: The Hunger Site - Thank You For Your Donation >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 15:20:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:02:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Gail HeinzeMiline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Laminating glass on glass Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.1215.0> References: <<1999Nov29.182214.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Gail HeinzeMiline wrote: > > Can anyone explain the best way to attach glass onto the back of glass > on a copper foil panel? I would like to attach a piece of ripple glass > onto the back of water glass for shading. Is this done with silicone? > Any help is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > Gail > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass foiling and soldering is one way. the other would be epoxy, once set it ain't coming off. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 15:27:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:28:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: SGriffiSBG@aol.com Subject: Re: Stretching lead Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:04:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.22448.0> References: <<1999Nov30.11253.0@?>> Precedence: bulk OK. I'll jump in and give my two pence worth. I don't see why the seller stretched the calme at the point of selling. The chance of it staying straight in storage is small. Yes stretch it, to straighten it. In message <1999Nov30.11253.0@?>, SGriffiSBG@aol.com writes >I appreciate all the leading information and have now a question: I bought >some lead approx. a year ago and it was stretched by the seller at that time. > I have several pieces left and am wondering as one of the comments said it >will gradually return to its former state. Don't believe every thing you read, especially on the internet. >Does the remaining lead have to >be restretched? Probably. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 15:55:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:32:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:31:24 -0000 Message-ID: <199911302232.WAA19102@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Glass or Plastic??? Oh, believe you me, they're GLASS alright!! On our "day-trip" to Chihuly studio, we literally waded in amongst the stuff, as the staff were assembling them all together on the floor in various mock-up rooms. We also had opportunity to see the "sub-structure" of the metal the glass bits were all fitted onto. That too was quite impressive. We certainly had no thoughts about that any of the glass was likely to drop off. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK In a message dated 11/29/99 1:52:07 AM Central Standard Time, Rbytl@aol.com writes: << It is not uncommon to find some of the tourists lying flat on their backs to get photos of the incredible glass "flowers", that make up the chandelier. >> I have to admit that I was one of these tourists who tried this last year. The photos came out OK but just didn't really do it justice. It's one of those things you just have to see in person. However I now wonder if those flowers are really glass or are they plastic? It does seem like a large liability for the hotel to have so much glass over so many tourists' heads. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 16:26:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:39:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Product Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:17:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.71747.0> Precedence: bulk 1. I wonder where the heck they get off with that "The first and only wearable air purifier" crap. Obviously the PAPR (Powered Air Purifying Respirator) I have talked about is wearable, though perhaps not the best fashion statement. 2. The corona discharge stuff sounds like the negative ion generators I have seen sold at fairs. In my quest for allergy relief, I have tried some of them. I have also worked for companies which tried ion generators and corona discharge purifiers (specifically Hewlett-Packard). They do in fact work to remove any particles which will take an electrostatic charge. They also seem to have some of the mental alertness effects often advertised. However, if not properly tuned, they also tend to generate ozone in close proximity to the unit. Ozone is an irritant and can be harmful to nasal passages and eyes. Much of the irritant in photochemical smog is ozone. I would not want to have one directing ozone in "an upward stream of clean air towards your mouth, nose and eyes". Also, I have no idea whether the particulates we are talking about in stained glass will take an electrostatic charge to the same degree most dust and pollens will. I know that gasses (fumes) definitely will not. So I would not trust it to do anything for stained glass work without more detailed analysis. In fact, I might be afraid that ionized gasses and/or particulates with only a mild electrostatic charge not sufficient to be trapped in the unit would actually be more harmful. ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shirley Balloch > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:30 PM > Subject: New Product > > > > I found this on the web. I don't know anything about it. I was > > wondering if it would work for us while we are soldering???? > > > > Breathe Easier > > > > > > > > > > Personal Air Supply > > > > The first and only wearable air purifier > > > > New! 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Ideal for allergy and asthma sufferers, new Air > > Supply allows you to breathe easier everywhere you go. > > > > Pacemaker users should consult a physician before using Personal Air > > Supply. > > > > > > Personal Air Supply > > Product WA0100 > > > > Free Shipping & Gift > > Wrap > > $99.00 > > > > > > http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtStore?t=8134&c=195636&r=ECPAM000 > > > > HealthyHome Catalog > > HealthyHome Catalog > > Product 0 > > > > Free Shipping & > > Gift Wrap > > $0.00 > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 17:29:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:38:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Website Glass Exhibit Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:36:40 -0000 Message-ID: <199912010037.AAA22374@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Elsie, where have YOU been all this time? Remember your postings very well. Please come out of "lurkdom" more often!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK My daughter forwarded this site to me. It is an American 20th century glass exhibit. I hope some of you find it interesting. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 17:48:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:39:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Restoration Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:36:40 -0000 Message-ID: <199912010037.AAA22368@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Aiauweeeeaouiiie Albert, Careful now.... I remember only too well that your (and Julie's) time in England was extremely carefully measured. You really did not "meet" anybody of any significance. That was a comment I made right at the time when you announced the itinerary of your earlier UK trips. A couple of hours here, a couple of hours there. A typical "American Tour" (Today is Tuesday so it must be London....). You had some splendiferous lunches and dinners; but you never got down to the "nitty-gritty" of stained glass in England and UK -, past or present. Your subsequent comments and observations confirmed my fears. Now you have compounded it. The 7-Sisters stained glass in York Minster are very pale, but quite a remarkable achievement of silverstaining in stained glass history. They are also a remarkable example of "surviving" stained glass. Had you been talking about Canterbury Cathedral or some other places I can think about in UK, then I might have conceded that your comments might have been appropriate. As regards York Minster - however - your comments are totally out of place, ill informed and badly observed. I am deeply disappointed. Obtaining history on "the cheap" just does not work. Back to the drawing board Albert - please!!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK - (respecting friends from long ago - now wondering about the depths of your s.g. knowledge and commitments) Albert wrote: Well, it's an interesting story, but it's not really "restoration," since that would mean restoring the original windows to their initial appearance and reinstalling them in their original locations, rather than doing as is described here -- picking up bits of different windows and creating something "new" out of them and *calling that restoration. Reminds me of the so-called 'restoration' at York Cathedral -- bits of glass (not coherent images, mind you ... just bits of glass) gathered up and assembled into an image ... then calling it "the earliest stained glass window in England." Don't think so. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 18:00:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:00:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stretching lead Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:59:14 -0000 Message-ID: <199912010059.AAA22733@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi ALL lead workers, Good common sense Steve!!! Agree, agree, agreee!!! You beat me to it!! (Not difficult these days....!) Elisabeth 'n Toby inb UK Steve wrote: OK. I'll jump in and give my two pence worth. I don't see why the seller stretched the calme at the point of selling. The chance of it staying straight in storage is small. Yes stretch it, to straighten it. In message <1999Nov30.11253.0@?>, SGriffiSBG@aol.com writes >I appreciate all the leading information and have now a question: I bought >some lead approx. a year ago and it was stretched by the seller at that time. > I have several pieces left and am wondering as one of the comments said it >will gradually return to its former state. Don't believe every thing you read, especially on the internet. >Does the remaining lead have to >be restretched? Probably. Steve ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 18:31:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:45:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: installation Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:40:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.154027.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, A question about the installation of a panel in front, that is, on the inside of an existing window. A previous post discussed the use of a foam setting tape cutting one inch = gaps every 8"-12" all around at the parting stop and the use of = setting blocks for the panel to sit on. Is the proper name and where would I find such tape. Is there any specific size, shape, material for the setting blocks. Thanks in advance for your comments. Jim Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com Tuesday, November 30, 1999 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 19:09:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:01:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thanks/Taurus Ring Saw Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:06:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.15623.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to say thanks to all who replied on my "snapped Taurus blade". I called the company. They were great and sendinga new blade free of charge. They said lotsof their last batch of blades was "out of round". Also thanks for the repair advice. Haven't done it yet but will. Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 21:01:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Connie Bartel" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: thanks/Taurus Ring Saw Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:29:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.172910.0> References: <<1999Nov30.15623.0>> Precedence: bulk Out of round? Which part was "out of round?" The blade *is* round. Do you think they meant the weld was bad where the two ends met thus allowing for an unsmooth transition? You are not the first, nor will you be the last, that has problems just like this. Keep your paperwork for the repair parts, etc. You may need them further down the road. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Connie Bartel To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:06 PM Subject: thanks/Taurus Ring Saw : Just wanted to say thanks to all who replied on my "snapped Taurus blade". : I called the company. They were great and sendinga new blade free of charge. : They said lotsof their last batch of blades was "out of round". : : Also thanks for the repair advice. Haven't done it yet but will. : Connie : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 22:06:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:57:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "James C. Kelly" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: installation Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:50:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.125037.0> Precedence: bulk Setting SG windows on the inside of protective glass is a very common practice. Not only is the SG afforded protection but the thermal inefficiency of outside glass is preserved. This is important in keeping heating and air conditioning costs in check. In fact, I most often recommend such an instillation. Foam setting tape (called vinyl foam glazing tape in my catalog)is available in several thicknesses and widths from Home Depot. I get mine in larger cost effective rolls from C. R. Lawrence. It is sticky on both sides and makes an excellent sealer for a window that goes against the weather. It also provides a small amount of cushion that is desirable. I NEVER use it without the benefit of some mechanical means of holding the window in place- most often wooden stops nailed to the rebates or screwed in aluminum stops. I do not use it on SG unless the SG is going against the weather. Here in southern CA it is not necessary to provide ventilation for a SG window as condensation is not a problem. Depending on the problem, it may be necessary to provide ventilation at the top and bottom of a window to provide air flow and thereby reduce condensation. Another approach is to tightly seal the two pieces of glass together. Setting blocks are used at the bottom and sometimes sides of ordinary glass and provide for the slight shifts in a wooden structure with the seasons that could crack a tightly fitting window. C. R. Lawrence has them but home made hard rubber spacers about 3" X 3/16" X 3/16" or so work well. You could also get a handful from most glazing shops. I have been known to use pieces of lead came. Use more than the customary two along the bottom with SG to prevent the frame from sagging on them. With a lead border I do not allow for any stops. Bob in 92026 -----Original Message----- From: James C. Kelly To: bungi Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 7:06 PM Subject: installation Hi all, A question about the installation of a panel in front, that is, on the inside of an existing window. A previous post discussed the use of a foam setting tape cutting one inch = gaps every 8"-12" all around at the parting stop and the use of = setting blocks for the panel to sit on. Is the proper name and where would I find such tape. Is there any specific size, shape, material for the setting blocks. Thanks in advance for your comments. Jim Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 30 23:05:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:38:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Restoration Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:35:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.133510.0> Precedence: bulk >>The 7-Sisters stained glass in York Minster are very pale, but quite a remarkable achievement of silverstaining in stained glass history. They are also a remarkable example of "surviving" stained glass.<< Huh, did they add two since my last visit? Make that the Five Sisters window. They are quite impressive but to my way of seeing things only because of their collective size. They are far more decorative than instructive! It is grisaille work from the thirteenth century. Bob in 92026 -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Restoration Aiauweeeeaouiiie Albert, Careful now.... I remember only too well that your (and Julie's) time in England was extremely carefully measured. You really did not "meet" anybody of any significance. That was a comment I made right at the time when you announced the itinerary of your earlier UK trips. A couple of hours here, a couple of hours there. A typical "American Tour" (Today is Tuesday so it must be London....). You had some splendiferous lunches and dinners; but you never got down to the "nitty-gritty" of stained glass in England and UK -, past or present. Your subsequent comments and observations confirmed my fears. Now you have compounded it. The 7-Sisters stained glass in York Minster are very pale, but quite a remarkable achievement of silverstaining in stained glass history. They are also a remarkable example of "surviving" stained glass. Had you been talking about Canterbury Cathedral or some other places I can think about in UK, then I might have conceded that your comments might have been appropriate. As regards York Minster - however - your comments are totally out of place, ill informed and badly observed. I am deeply disappointed. Obtaining history on "the cheap" just does not work. Back to the drawing board Albert - please!!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK - (respecting friends from long ago - now wondering about the depths of your s.g. knowledge and commitments) Albert wrote: Well, it's an interesting story, but it's not really "restoration," since that would mean restoring the original windows to their initial appearance and reinstalling them in their original locations, rather than doing as is described here -- picking up bits of different windows and creating something "new" out of them and *calling that restoration. Reminds me of the so-called 'restoration' at York Cathedral -- bits of glass (not coherent images, mind you ... just bits of glass) gathered up and assembled into an image ... then calling it "the earliest stained glass window in England." Don't think so. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 00:13:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:05:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Anna Sagami , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Computers and Designing glass Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 02:04:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Nov30.2143.0> References: <<1999Nov30.14153.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk A Mac is good for more things done by normal people, including artists and musicians, than a PC, but because Mi¢ro$oft has by far the larger market $hare, the only programs specifically designed for glass applications are for PCs. The average PC user only uses the programs he/she was taught. The average Mac user uses 6 more programs for each one he/she was taught. It's the consistent interface from program to program that does it. Windows is often counter intuitive, and goes for the Byzantine, rather than cutting thru the red tape and thinking different. Plus, when you buy a Mac, you get the whole shegang, but with the PC you often have to choose which video card, which sound card, ethernet is extra, SCSI is extra, modem is extra, ad nau$eum. Get yourself a cute new speedy iMac, with the speedy graphics, large hard drive, built-in DVD (includes CDs) and it also comes with the ability to edit your own videos... and then get one of the Windows emulation programs. Don't be misled by judging by the megahertz listed. That is simply the measure of the clock speed, but has little to do with the amount of data you can actually push around. You have to know how wide the bus is and the bus speed. You've seen bands at halftime as they march down the field. When they march 8 abreast down the field they form a fairly long rectangle as they march down the field. (Then as they go to march off, they all bunch up at the end zone as they file off or up into the stands. That is also another measure of computer speed - how fast the input/output (I/O) is, and this is one of the biggest slowdowns on a computer.) But now imagine they are marching 16 abreast down the field. Their "clock" speed or marching tempo is the same as before but they all get there much quicker (well, not the front row) than before. Most computer bus speeds until the G3 (for either Mac or PC) were 16 or 32 bit in width. Only recently have 64 bus widths come into use and I think the high speed G4s double that. So a computer at 266Mhz with a 32 bit bus is going to be half as fast in practical terms as the computer running at 266Mhz with a 64 bit bus. As far as I'm concerned, the major drawback with the iMacs is the 15 inch screen. I think a 17 inch is really the minimal necessary for graphics and using the web, and I think a 21 inch screen pays for itself within a year in time saved scrolling. If you are really serious about doing graphics, think about buying a used or rebuilt 21 inch screen. Sony Trinitron or Mitsubishi Diamond screens are the best - for either Mac or PC. In the next two years I think monitor technology is going to take some big leaps forward, but for right now, the technology really isn't much different than it was 5 years ago. You will want at least one Meg of videoRAM and 2 is better. If you are a game person, and buying a PC, that should also be a factor in choosing which video board to install. Get a multisynchronized monitor, which means it can run at different speeds. The result of this is the slower the speed, the larger the images but you see less of the whole. At faster speeds, the image shrinks but you can see a much wider area.. Make sure these are software switchable, so you don't have to fiddle with the hardware in order to change the speed. And never run a monitor at 60 Hz, even if it lets you. That is the electrical hum frequency and you'll have an awful jitter/shimmy. I've had people want to buy new monitors because theirs is such a dog even though they paid top dollar for it. I just switch it off the 60 Hz and you'd think I'd performed a miracle. I don't know why OSHA (for non-US people that is our employee safety regulators) doesn't ban 60 Hz. Guaranteed headache if not eye damage. I'd advise a minimum of 64 Mb RAM if you are not doing much in the way of graphics and a minimum of 128Mb if you are. And those recommendations are for Mac or PC. If the machine you are looking at can have something called backside cache, get it. Here again, go for at least one Meg, and 2 is better. It will make a significant difference in how peppy the machine acts. It is often said by technicians that the single best thing you can do for your machine is give it memory - LOTS of memory. If you have worked with a machine with minimal RAM, and then you are given a lot,, it is an incredible difference. Like having walked around stooped with 5 foot ceilings and then getting 10 foot ceilings. A program will work much faster because it can load a reasonable amount of the program and data to work with, whereas with minimal memory, the machine will "thrash" or spend the bulk of its time swapping program code and data in and out, and accomplish very little. The difference in a process can literally be from 15 minutes with a lot of memory to an hour and a half with minimal memory. all other things being equal. And virtual memory or RAM Doubler or whatever is NOT the same as real RAM - it will let you continue using an inadequate machine, but it really drags down your speed, and can cause problems, as well. A good rule of thumb is whatever Apple is including with a machine in RAM - double it. Get a minimum of 6 Gigabytes in a hard drive and 12 would be much better if you are scanning and designing on the computer. Also think good and hard about how you will backup such a thing. Zip drives are now the equivalent of floppies, but are not sensible for backing up. Either think about a Jaz drive, a duplicate big hard drive, or a cd burner, which is what I'm contemplating. You will want a CD drive which is rated at 24X or better (24 times the speed of the original CD drives), particularly if you want to play games. CD technology is really on its way out and is being replaced with DVD (which will handle CDs) but it'll cost you! As for CD burners, a CD-R makes a writeable once CD. They arre faster and more expensive, but manufacturing will soom come to a halt. A CD-RW makes a rewriteable CD. No you cannot change what you have written to the disc, but you can add to it. Right now they cost less, are slower, but expect costs to go down and speeds to come up. You can now get DVD burners, but that too will cost you. Blank CD-R discs are somewhat cheaper than CD-RW discs. Don't overlook networking. Practical and affordable networking is now available for homes, and can allow a cable or ISDN hookup to service all the computers in your house - The laptop from work, the adult computer at home, the computer in the workshop, the computer the kids use for doing their homework and gaming. And anyoone can install it! You can have the computer monitor the yard, the house, turn lights off and on, answer the phone, start the coffee in the morning, etc. - 21st century thinking now.You will want it with an RJ45 connection (looks like the phone RJ11 thingy but bigger). Your wiring can be the other two lines not used in your phone cable (with some extras - made by Farralon), or better yet, extra heavy duty twisted pair cable (similar to ordinary phone lines but far more shielded) called Category 5. Get your self a 5 or 8 port unmanaged hub and you are in business. I'd never again buy a printer without ethernet. - it's well worth the extra money up front because adding it later is far more expensive. If you are going to do graphics, you really will need a scanner, and at around $200 or less, you can't go wrong. Do be certain it comes bundled with, or you buy Adobe Photo Deluxe (PC or Mac). This is the 10% most-used features from Photoshop in an easy and elegant format, and well might make the difference between really using the scanner or only occasionally scanning things. PhotoDeluxe is NOT a text scanning program. That you will have to buy extra if not bundled with the scanner. I've never been able to convince my husband of this, but renting a computer is probably the best way to go if you will want to stay on the front edge of the technology. All you have to do is tell them come get this old slow guy (only a year and the speed will have doubled on new machines), and bring me one of the cute new fast ones. Since I support administrative computing in a fairly large school system, I'd rather support the Mac any day than PCs. Take a look at the documentation for programs that come on CDs for both PCs and Macs. The manual will contain one small chapter for the Mac and the entire rest of it is for the Windows product. That doesn't mean the Mac one does less than the PC. Chances are they will both do exactly the same thing, but it is much easier to explain how to use the Mac product. My mother was 72 when she first started computing, and she is 84 now. She has used PCs at both sister's and the Mac with me, and she just bought her 4th computer, an iMac (lime). Her sister, who up til last year had a Mac, bought a PC because she thought she could get more help from my cousins than I could deliver long distance and she is kicking herself. Not that they don't help, but it simply takes so many more steps to accomplish something, therefore leaving more room for error. Sorry if this is more than you ever wanted to know about computers - I saw your note and it all just came bursting out! - Cecily Anna Sagami wrote: > Does anyone know the best computer designing program for stained glass, > also if you were going to buy a new computer, any comments on the best > computer for art work and designing stained glass? > > Sincerely, > Anna Verbsky Sagami > Design-a-Way Stencils and Patterns > www.designaway.net > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass