From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 02:31:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk!studio.stainedglass From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.104139.0> Precedence: bulk At 20:06 30/06/99 -0400, Dani wrote: >I would highly recommend you use a lead-free >solder if you'll be wearing this jewelry against your >skin.... lead is absorbed through the skin and why >press your luck? At the very least if you must use >lead-containing solder, at least coat the metal on >the jewelry with a clear coating such as nail polish. >This advice would also apply to items like napkin >holders or anything you would use near food. And to expand the thought a bit - it amazes us how many people are offering stained glass soldered jewellery and other items as mentioned above for sale locally without either 1. stating clearly they are made from lead solder and displaying warning signs 2. stating clearly they are made using lead-free solder and are safe to handle Surely by doing the latter they would be gaining a *green* kudos to their work over others who are still using hazardous materials for jewellery - and make more sales. But whenever I ask the vendor - are these made with leadfree solder? or Is this made from lead? all I receive is a blank look or a change of subject. Are buyers/sellers across the pond more au fait with the hazards and warning labelling laws (and possible law suits from injured customers) than UK crafters seem to be? After all, other items - kids toys for example - cannot be sold with lead paint applied and everyone adheres to that regulation! EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 06:44:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:18:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fw: S.G on TV Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:17:55 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul1.121755.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/30/99 4:14:02 PM, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: >I suspect if any >homeowner tried to follow *these instructions, they'd be walking >their fingers through the Yellow Pages pretty quickly. Actually, I suspect that in a lot of cases those fingers would be covered with Band-Aids, and limping rather than walking. Meow, meow, meow, meow....... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 07:11:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Thu Jul 1 05:34:37 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.31237.0> Precedence: bulk i don't know if this is correct or not, but the when i asked the computer nerd i live with about this (he is a programmer) he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued--for example, if someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue yahoo for copyright infringement--- even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to protect themselves now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only my opinion thanx debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: EastGateXX@msn.com ; glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:06 PM Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo >And here is what another of my friends had to say about this... > > >> >>>>>> >> >With the new merger between Yahoo and Geocities, Yahoo has added a little >> >phrase to their >> >Terms Of Service agreement which in effect gives them all reproduction >> >rights to all >> >content put on a Geocities web site. This means they can resell YOUR >> >artwork with no >> >compensation to you. >> > >> >For those people having a Geocities website to show their graphic >> >creations, this means >> >Yahoo/Geocities now owns the copyrights to the work you struggled to >> >create. For those >> >with a nice family website on Geocities, this means you could see your >> >families pictures >> >appearing in ads for family abuse services, alcohol treatment centers, or >> >any other ads >> >that Yahoo/Geocities can sell the images for. >> > >> >The offending agreement can be found at http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >See paragraph 8 >> >for their greedy grab at other's intellectual property. > >Suzanne > > >"EastGateXX@msn.com" wrote: >> >> VERY SCARY! Although they seem to make no claim to the underlying copyright >> of the artist's work, they are making a claim to the representations of said >> work... that means they can do with them as they wish... including T-shirts? >> including Mugs? How about books on Stained Glass Art (as seen on the >> internet!)?... >> >> What about the modify part... They don't like the way your original piece >> looks (on the Calendar of SG Art they produce and for which you get NOTHING) >> so they REDESIGN it and put in some really "kewl krazy kolors" ... >> >> UGH... watch out... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Suzanne Gunn >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:13 PM >> Subject: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo >> >> > Mike Savad...you come to mind right away. What do you think of >> > Geocities now Yahoo's new terms of service? >> > >> > As I understand it, they are saying that those pics of your original >> > stained glass work is now theirs. I'm wondering how this affects your >> > copyright on that original design of yours? >> > >> > Are you planning to leave Geocities behind and find a new website >> > provider? >> > >> > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html >> > >> > quoted from the above url... >> > >> > > Under its terms of service, publishers must give >> > > Yahoo a "royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, >> > > non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and >> > > license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, >> > > publish, translate, create derivative works from, >> > > distribute, perform and display such Content" in >> > > any form or media. >> > >> > Pretty scary to me. >> > >> > Tulsa Suzanne >> > -- >> > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. >> > >> > ----Harvey MacKay >> > ---- >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >-- >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 08:43:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Rita Tidwell" Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.0421.0> References: <<1999Jun30.134946.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Rita, Well, I learned how to wrap them by reading email and webpages. Wrap the stones/nuggets/globs/marbles with your foil. Then get a small tub, like a butter tub, fill it about half full with globs/marbles/unfoiled items that you are foiling, and snap the lid on, and stand/sit/or give it to a kid that likes to make noise, and have them shake it for about 3 to 5 minutes. This will burnish the foil down to the object REAL GOOD. Then just flux, solder, patina, finish,,, I wrap by hand, only I have read and seen on pages, to take a small block of wood, route a groove in it, fill half full with silicone, let cure, then use that to put your foil on (sticky up) and roll the object down the groove, al la wrapped object,,, Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Rita Tidwell To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 02:49 PM Subject: nuggets > I need some advice. I want to wrap some nuggets to hank on cord for > necklace(similiar to what Bud did). I have some silver foil(back and > topside). Do I need to use silver solder also and what heat? I have only > worked with 60-40 so far. Thanks for any advice. Rita > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 09:13:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Fw: S.G on TV Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.63853.0> Precedence: bulk It reminds me of instructions for tuning up a friends '73 Chevy Impala. Step 1 was remove and inspect old spark plugs. Three plugs were only accessible only if you removed the front tires and went in through the tire well. The number eight plug was in line with the steering column and required a special tool or some strange innovations. The other four were easy if you were double or triple jointed. Instructions make everything sound easy. Vic M. Vmodino@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis [mailto:alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:18 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fw: S.G on TV Oh, well. The writer (whoever that might be) says a couple of times that professionals should do this or that and I suspect if any homeowner tried to follow *these instructions, they'd be walking their fingers through the Yellow Pages pretty quickly. Not to worry. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 09:16:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: More info for the photo finishing question..pass it on Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:26:57 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.182657.0> Precedence: bulk just thought people intrested may want info passed on from a friend which is professional photographer! -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Schlea To: Glass Expressions Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 2:34 AM Subject: More info for the photo finishing question..pass it on >Making Dupe Slides from Print Film > > >You may want to suggest to glass@bungi.com that color print film can be >sent to Dale Labratories in Hollywood, FL (305-925-0103, >www.dalelbs.com) and they can process the film and make slide dupes at >the same time. It is very inexpensive compared to processing, printing, >and then making dupes at a later date. Shooting multiples at the >initial time of shooting is by far the cheapest way to go, not only for >slides, but for prints - especially if doubles are made. It leaves you >with plenty to go around. > >Or, if your using print film and it is not processed at Dale's, ask >whoever does it to not cut the film - leave it all one strip and sleeve >it, and send that to Dale and they can make slide dupes from that. It's >cheaper that way than sending cut film. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 09:33:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Updates to Intrastar Glass Website Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:25:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.1251.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/gallery.htm The link above is for the main gallery directory page at Intrastar. Three members have had updates to their image galleries. Bud (myself, most of the projects that you have read about and discussed on the lists, finally got the photos developed)(Thanks to all the folks on the good words and thoughts about the projects, it feels good to know that I am getting the hang of this working with glass)(got to go find some lead-free solder, for them jewelry thang's, guess the four that I have made up, can't go anywhere) Nadine (three windows) Shiela (earrings) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 09:48:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:55:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.65520.0> Precedence: bulk Debbie, I can't imagine anyone flaming you. I think what you say sounds logical. I think I missed the beginning of the thread. I presume Geocities has posted new rules or something like that. But that is why I did not elect to have a web page on Geocities, I felt that they may have some say on my intellectual property as they are offering this to me for free. I think if anyone is concerned about something being appropriated, the internet isn't where they should post it, as the whole world is there, and maybe laws here in the states might be strong enough to stop someone from using whatever it is, but not going to happen with some guy in Poland that wants to borrow whatever it is for his own purposes. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: daver!one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 10:45 AM Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo >i don't know if this is correct or not, but the when i asked the computer >nerd i live with about this (he is a programmer) >he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued--for example, if >someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue yahoo for >copyright infringement--- >even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to >protect themselves > >now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was >told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only >my opinion >thanx >debbie > > > >debbie taylor >kleeman@one.net >http://www.taylordexpressions.com >your complete stained glass supply source >1-888-488-9616 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Suzanne Gunn >To: EastGateXX@msn.com ; glass@bungi.com > >Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:06 PM >Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo > > >>And here is what another of my friends had to say about this... >> >> >>> >>>>>> >>> >With the new merger between Yahoo and Geocities, Yahoo has added a >little >>> >phrase to their >>> >Terms Of Service agreement which in effect gives them all reproduction >>> >rights to all >>> >content put on a Geocities web site. This means they can resell YOUR >>> >artwork with no >>> >compensation to you. >>> > >>> >For those people having a Geocities website to show their graphic >>> >creations, this means >>> >Yahoo/Geocities now owns the copyrights to the work you struggled to >>> >create. For those >>> >with a nice family website on Geocities, this means you could see your >>> >families pictures >>> >appearing in ads for family abuse services, alcohol treatment centers, >or >>> >any other ads >>> >that Yahoo/Geocities can sell the images for. >>> > >>> >The offending agreement can be found at >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >See paragraph 8 >>> >for their greedy grab at other's intellectual property. >> >>Suzanne >> >> >>"EastGateXX@msn.com" wrote: >>> >>> VERY SCARY! Although they seem to make no claim to the underlying >copyright >>> of the artist's work, they are making a claim to the representations of >said >>> work... that means they can do with them as they wish... including >T-shirts? >>> including Mugs? How about books on Stained Glass Art (as seen on the >>> internet!)?... >>> >>> What about the modify part... They don't like the way your original piece >>> looks (on the Calendar of SG Art they produce and for which you get >NOTHING) >>> so they REDESIGN it and put in some really "kewl krazy kolors" ... >>> >>> UGH... watch out... >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Suzanne Gunn >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:13 PM >>> Subject: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo >>> >>> > Mike Savad...you come to mind right away. What do you think of >>> > Geocities now Yahoo's new terms of service? >>> > >>> > As I understand it, they are saying that those pics of your original >>> > stained glass work is now theirs. I'm wondering how this affects your >>> > copyright on that original design of yours? >>> > >>> > Are you planning to leave Geocities behind and find a new website >>> > provider? >>> > >>> > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html >>> > >>> > quoted from the above url... >>> > >>> > > Under its terms of service, publishers must give >>> > > Yahoo a "royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, >>> > > non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and >>> > > license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, >>> > > publish, translate, create derivative works >from, >>> > > distribute, perform and display such Content" in >>> > > any form or media. >>> > >>> > Pretty scary to me. >>> > >>> > Tulsa Suzanne >>> > -- >>> > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. >>> > >>> > ----Harvey MacKay >>> > ---- >>> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >>-- >>Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. >> >> ----Harvey MacKay >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 10:12:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.6929.0> References: <<1999Jul1.0421.0>> Precedence: bulk I spend way too much time burnishing the foil on nuggets. I have never tried this method that you mention, because I have a hard time believing it doesnt bang up/scratch/nick the nuggets. Since I make so many fan pulls with them, and they are the only glass used it really defeats the purpose if they are *clean* and pretty. To me it would be like selling a panel or sun catcher with cracked glass in it. When I buy nuggets I always throw some away because they have been scratched or nicked just by being bagged up together. Also, I liked them **WELL** burnished. Guess I will try your method with some of my black nuggets (that I dont really want anyway) and see if I think it is as good as by hand. If so, it would save me a tremendous amount of time. Suzanne > Then get a small tub, like a > butter tub, fill it about half full with globs/marbles/unfoiled items that > you are foiling, and snap the lid on, and stand/sit/or give it to a kid that > likes to make noise, and have them shake it for about 3 to 5 minutes. -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 10:40:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: daver!one.net!kleeman@h3.mail.home.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:33:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.83351.0> References: <<1999Jul2.31237.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk daver!one.net!kleeman@h3.mail.home.com wrote: > > i don't know if this is correct or not, but the when i asked the computer > nerd i live with about this (he is a programmer) > he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued--for example, if > someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue yahoo for > copyright infringement--- > even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to > protect themselves > > now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was > told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only > my opinion > thanx > debbie > > debbie taylor > kleeman@one.net > http://www.taylordexpressions.com > your complete stained glass supply source > 1-888-488-9616 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Gunn > To: EastGateXX@msn.com ; glass@bungi.com > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:06 PM > Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo > > >And here is what another of my friends had to say about this... > > > > > >> >>>>>> > >> >With the new merger between Yahoo and Geocities, Yahoo has added a > little > >> >phrase to their > >> >Terms Of Service agreement which in effect gives them all reproduction > >> >rights to all > >> >content put on a Geocities web site. This means they can resell YOUR > >> >artwork with no > >> >compensation to you. > >> > > >> >For those people having a Geocities website to show their graphic > >> >creations, this means > >> >Yahoo/Geocities now owns the copyrights to the work you struggled to > >> >create. For those > >> >with a nice family website on Geocities, this means you could see your > >> >families pictures > >> >appearing in ads for family abuse services, alcohol treatment centers, > or > >> >any other ads > >> >that Yahoo/Geocities can sell the images for. > >> > > >> >The offending agreement can be found at > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> >See paragraph 8 > >> >for their greedy grab at other's intellectual property. > > > >Suzanne > > > > > >"EastGateXX@msn.com" wrote: > >> > >> VERY SCARY! Although they seem to make no claim to the underlying > copyright > >> of the artist's work, they are making a claim to the representations of > said > >> work... that means they can do with them as they wish... including > T-shirts? > >> including Mugs? How about books on Stained Glass Art (as seen on the > >> internet!)?... > >> > >> What about the modify part... They don't like the way your original piece > >> looks (on the Calendar of SG Art they produce and for which you get > NOTHING) > >> so they REDESIGN it and put in some really "kewl krazy kolors" ... > >> > >> UGH... watch out... > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Suzanne Gunn > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:13 PM > >> Subject: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo > >> > >> > Mike Savad...you come to mind right away. What do you think of > >> > Geocities now Yahoo's new terms of service? > >> > > >> > As I understand it, they are saying that those pics of your original > >> > stained glass work is now theirs. I'm wondering how this affects your > >> > copyright on that original design of yours? > >> > > >> > Are you planning to leave Geocities behind and find a new website > >> > provider? > >> > > >> > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html > >> > > >> > quoted from the above url... > >> > > >> > > Under its terms of service, publishers must give > >> > > Yahoo a "royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, > >> > > non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and > >> > > license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, > >> > > publish, translate, create derivative works > from, > >> > > distribute, perform and display such Content" in > >> > > any form or media. > >> > > >> > Pretty scary to me. > >> > > >> > Tulsa Suzanne > >> > -- > >> > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > >> > > >> > ----Harvey MacKay > >> > ---- > >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >-- > >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > > > ----Harvey MacKay > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it is saying that. but it's also saying that it will own my site if i sign their agreement. which means they can do anything they want to it forever and ever. i wanted to see how much space i was taking up last night, so i know how much space i need for my site. i need a yahoo ID and in order to get this id i need to agree with their terms. not gonna do it... in fact i can't even remove my account without agreeing to it. and i think if i used geomail, i'd still have to sign it.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 11:03:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns (My piggie project (a real oinker)) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:30:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.193025.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Bob, >Seems the server for cros.net is not responding so I'll stop here. > Perhaps they forgot the second s in the name cros.net. You aren't the only one having problems with their servers in getting to my site....I have let them know of the difficulties... Thanks for liking my colouring skills!! With the computer I can even stay in the lines!! <|;p Tke Care, Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 11:12:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: "Lori A. Frawley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: An impossible dream? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:12:31 -0700 Message-ID: <199907011510.LAA21919@rothko.bestweb.net> Precedence: bulk Dear Reader, I am searching for advice about stained glass, hoping to begin my own project. I have a window in my entryway which is a slider window- two panes, side by side. The right side slides over to the left side, leaving a 3/16ths inch of a gap between the two panes. I have this dream of seeing a somewhat traditional pattern using rectangles, squares and diamonds, maybe some beveled pieces. I would like to be able to put these right over the existing glass panes. Is this a do-able project? Obviously, I am a beginner. So, where would I begin? I would greatly appreciate any advice. Thank you. Lori ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 11:30:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.982.0> References: <<1999Jul1.65520.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > Debbie, > I can't imagine anyone flaming you. I think what you say sounds logical. I > think I missed the beginning of the thread. I presume Geocities has posted > new rules or something like that. But that is why I did not elect to have a > web page on Geocities, I felt that they may have some say on my intellectual > property as they are offering this to me for free. I think if anyone is > concerned about something being appropriated, the internet isn't where they > should post it, as the whole world is there, and maybe laws here in the > states might be strong enough to stop someone from using whatever it is, but > not going to happen with some guy in Poland that wants to borrow whatever it > is for his own purposes. > Linda Jo > > -----Original Message----- > From: daver!one.net!kleeman > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo > > >i don't know if this is correct or not, but the when i asked the computer > >nerd i live with about this (he is a programmer) > >he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued--for example, if > >someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue yahoo for > >copyright infringement--- > >even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to > >protect themselves > > > >now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was > >told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only > >my opinion > >thanx > >debbie > > > > > > > >debbie taylor > >kleeman@one.net > >http://www.taylordexpressions.com > >your complete stained glass supply source > >1-888-488-9616 > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Suzanne Gunn > >To: EastGateXX@msn.com ; glass@bungi.com > > > >Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:06 PM > >Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo > > > > > >>And here is what another of my friends had to say about this... > >> > >> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >With the new merger between Yahoo and Geocities, Yahoo has added a > >little > >>> >phrase to their > >>> >Terms Of Service agreement which in effect gives them all reproduction > >>> >rights to all > >>> >content put on a Geocities web site. This means they can resell YOUR > >>> >artwork with no > >>> >compensation to you. > >>> > > >>> >For those people having a Geocities website to show their graphic > >>> >creations, this means > >>> >Yahoo/Geocities now owns the copyrights to the work you struggled to > >>> >create. For those > >>> >with a nice family website on Geocities, this means you could see your > >>> >families pictures > >>> >appearing in ads for family abuse services, alcohol treatment centers, > >or > >>> >any other ads > >>> >that Yahoo/Geocities can sell the images for. > >>> > > >>> >The offending agreement can be found at > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >>> >See paragraph 8 > >>> >for their greedy grab at other's intellectual property. > >> > >>Suzanne > >> > >> > >>"EastGateXX@msn.com" wrote: > >>> > >>> VERY SCARY! Although they seem to make no claim to the underlying > >copyright > >>> of the artist's work, they are making a claim to the representations of > >said > >>> work... that means they can do with them as they wish... including > >T-shirts? > >>> including Mugs? How about books on Stained Glass Art (as seen on the > >>> internet!)?... > >>> > >>> What about the modify part... They don't like the way your original > piece > >>> looks (on the Calendar of SG Art they produce and for which you get > >NOTHING) > >>> so they REDESIGN it and put in some really "kewl krazy kolors" ... > >>> > >>> UGH... watch out... > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Suzanne Gunn > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:13 PM > >>> Subject: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo > >>> > >>> > Mike Savad...you come to mind right away. What do you think of > >>> > Geocities now Yahoo's new terms of service? > >>> > > >>> > As I understand it, they are saying that those pics of your original > >>> > stained glass work is now theirs. I'm wondering how this affects your > >>> > copyright on that original design of yours? > >>> > > >>> > Are you planning to leave Geocities behind and find a new website > >>> > provider? > >>> > > >>> > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html > >>> > > >>> > quoted from the above url... > >>> > > >>> > > Under its terms of service, publishers must give > >>> > > Yahoo a "royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, > >>> > > non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and > >>> > > license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, > >>> > > publish, translate, create derivative works > >from, > >>> > > distribute, perform and display such Content" > in > >>> > > any form or media. > >>> > > >>> > Pretty scary to me. > >>> > > >>> > Tulsa Suzanne > >>> > -- > >>> > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you > promised. > >>> > > >>> > ----Harvey MacKay > >>> > ---- > >>> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >>> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >>> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >> > >>-- > >>Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > >> > >> ----Harvey MacKay > >> > >>---- what they're doing in underhanded and illigal. originallu geocities gave free pages. then they had banners, they get money from the banners, so much so that yahoo bought them for 3 billion dollars. the original terms said that geo could promote themselves with your site. i don't mind that. but yahoo is telling everyone they have to sign over to the new aggreement. now i don't have to do anything, but in order to remove my account, edit, delte, modify, upload, check mail, etc, i need a yahoo id. and in getting that id i just signed their contract. so even if i wanted to remove my stuff from their server i need to sign the contract. then they could use that, get the backup, and use that for themselves. it's like someone buying your town and locking you out of your house. then make everyone sign a contract in order to even get into your own house. if you don't sign the contract you can't get in. if you do sign it, the guy who owns the town can sell anyone of your private and personal belongings, at anytime. either way your screwed - and that would be illigal. he bought the land not the people. yahoo did the same thing. they legally own the servers, buildings, people in the buildings, and the name. they don't own the content. people are nice and give out free information to others. yahoo would be making money from the banners, they dont' need to sell the content as well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 11:53:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.94929.0> References: <<1999Jul1.6929.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > I spend way too much time burnishing the foil on nuggets. > > I have never tried this method that you mention, because I have a hard > time believing it doesnt bang up/scratch/nick the nuggets. Since I make > so many fan pulls with them, and they are the only glass used it really > defeats the purpose if they are *clean* and pretty. To me it would be > like selling a panel or sun catcher with cracked glass in it. > > When I buy nuggets I always throw some away because they have been > scratched or nicked just by being bagged up together. > > Also, I liked them **WELL** burnished. Guess I will try your method > with some of my black nuggets (that I dont really want anyway) and see > if I think it is as good as by hand. If so, it would save me a > tremendous amount of time. > > Suzanne > > > Then get a small tub, like a > > butter tub, fill it about half full with globs/marbles/unfoiled items that > > you are foiling, and snap the lid on, and stand/sit/or give it to a kid that > > likes to make noise, and have them shake it for about 3 to 5 minutes. > > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay generally i do it by hand. i get a better finish. though i also lightly grind the edges. just enough to get a rough spot, it also shows me the center of the blob. then i rub it down. i rub it down like i would peel a potato. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 12:19:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'bungi'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:37:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.93728.0> Precedence: bulk yahoo has changed their policy due to boycotts and customers dropping service, effective at 3pm yesterday. see http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20518.html for an article on the topic, and http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ for the new terms of service. regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 12:26:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:32:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: working on website Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:56:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.35619.0> Precedence: bulk Have fun scanning the glass images. Photoshop is a great tool and you can usually use it to correct for many of the deficiencies you will probably find in the straight scans of glass pictures. For some reason glass seems to be particularly difficult to get the depth and richness to come through on the photo/scan. One note though: Photoshop is particularly bad at optimizing the digital images for the Web. On the Internet it is very important to have small files which will download before people give up. Doing this yet still having the richness and color is something Photoshop just plain will not do well. Instead Adobe chose to put these Web image functions into the standalone tool ImageReady. However, at $300-400 I think ImageReady is way overpriced for what you get. You can get most of the functionality you need with Photoshop compatible Plug-Ins available for the $35-100 range. Send me a note if you want my evaluation of the seven or eight web image optimization Plug-Ins I tested and which I chose. -----Original Message----- From: Claudette Jaramillo To: Bungi Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:03 PM Subject: working on website >The local community college where I teach part time, just gave me some space >on their server. So I am gathering pictures of glass (I now wish I had >taken pictures before I gave projects as presents.) My son gave me Adobe >PageMill with Adobe Photoshop. I already had a scanner. So, I haven't a >clue how to do this, but I am told, it is not that hard. (and then they >laughed!) > >I am kinda excited...it feels the same as the feeling I got when I purchased >my first cellular phone and talked on the phone while driving (I know, I >know), or when I learned to do animation on a computer. Who would have >thunk, I could do this ?! Damn, but the nineties have been full of >electronic surprises! > >I will write after the weekend, if this thing flies...or maybe I'll write by >Christmas, if it doesn't. claudette > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 12:48:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Lori A. Frawley" Subject: Re: An impossible dream? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:27:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199907011826.OAA01727@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I have > this dream of seeing a somewhat traditional pattern using > rectangles, squares and diamonds, maybe some beveled pieces. I > would like to be able to put these right over the existing glass > panes. Is this a do-able project? Hi, Lori. Sure, it's possible. Absolutely. The funny thing is, straight-line projects are often more frustrating than curved-line projects, since any deviation from the straight line is immediately apparent to the eye. I've seen seasoned craftspeople try to replicate Frank Lloyd Wright panels and then throw their hands up in frustration because they ended up with sort of a 'wave' effect rather than the rectilinear Prairie Style effect they had envisioned. Should you give up? No, not at all. But just be aware that you're starting off on something that's not quite as easy as it looks. As you cut the pieces, they must be exact, parallel and accurately square (or not, as the case may be). You must build the panels tightly to the square, so you should check everything as you go, rather than after the whole panel's built. I did sort of a similar thing the other day; built a foldaway patio table of pressure-treated wood (okay, it's not glass: sue me!) but was careful to check the square on every 2x2 that I added and was glad I had: the table turned out great and so it folds neatly into the wall, appearing to be just an extension of the 2x2 grid that's below it. That's the secret: taking pains as you build something, whether it's a double-hung transom like yours, a foldaway table, or a house. Good luck with your project! Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-7946 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://igga.org/ Member Studios http://igga.org/guildtop.htm Sources Guide http://igga.org/guide.htm Guild Library http://aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 12:54:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:01:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Mike Savad , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:58:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.85816.0> References: <<1999Jul1.982.0>> Precedence: bulk Ohhhhhh!! One big thing that Freeservers.com allows...that Geocities never did..you can *sell from your *free site! Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 13:33:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Thanks: Website Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:05:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.5511.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who looked at the new website and sent me your comments. I really appreciate it and it has been very helpful. For those of you who could not connect, it seems this has now cleared up for most people. I was originally under the impression that the domain name would be picked up by various servers just by being registered and available. Apparently this is not so - many branches on the web only start propagating the domain after they have had an actual access for that domain flow through them from some other server. Since I was only testing from a few logons in British Columbia, the domain name had not propagated to some web branches outside of Canada. By accessing my site you have helped me out immensely by causing the new domain name to propagate throughout the web. I have also fixed all the typo's and weirdnesses some of you found for me. Thanks again for all the help. For any of you with stained glass or other art related sites: I would be happy to cross link to your site from my links page. Just send me the url. If you have a standardized link logo in the usual 100 to120 pixel width, aprox. 66 pixel height and 4KB or less, send that also and I will use it for the link. In return I will send you my link logo and a standard html link you can copy. Holtenwood Gallery - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/gallery.htm Tim Atwood - Glass and Wood - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm Jewelry by Adriana - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/adriana.htm Computing Solutions Canada - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/csc.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 13:53:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 15:42:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.114226.0> References: <<1999Jul1.93728.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Spitzer, Charlie wrote: > > yahoo has changed their policy due to boycotts and customers dropping > service, effective at 3pm yesterday. > > see http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20518.html for an article > on the topic, and http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ for the new terms of > service. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah, unfortunally it says the same thing. basically it says now, that they don't own you right this very second. once you sign it, then they own you. and that includeds anything that has to do with using that yahoo id. the whole thing is very fishy and underhanded. it's like having to pay the grand nagus just to speak with him. and if yahoo can get away with this imagine the future: a few years from now windows will release a version that you have to pay microst each time you log on your computer. in order to get the software to install, you have to sign there agreement, stating that everytime you log on, you have to pay a couple of bucks for the privaledge of using their software. then it will automatically be debited from your microsoft online credit card. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 14:23:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Website down for revamp, New pic's Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.5485.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Many of you have been emailing me to ask "What Happened to the Intrastar Glass List Site???" The site is hosted on Shirley's server in Texas, I only did the html and images, and also have agreed to maintain the site with updates as selfless service to the glass lists. So I FTP the files from California to Texas, that is far as my control/input goes. The problem is/was, I thought Shirley had completely reviewed the site, there was one page (a privacy statement, a generic template that I copied from another site, that I did a search and replace on), that was only linked from one place, and that was on the subscription form. Now most of us, would not even go to the subscription form, since we are already subscribed. Some of the statements in the privacy statement were not approved of by Shirley, and she sent me a email telling me that she pulled the site today. Now do not worry, I maintain a complete copy of the site on my computer. So if the site was deleted, once this get's worked out, then it can be restored from my copy ( I have already removed the offending link, and html file from my copy). If all she did was move the files, I have sent her a updated subscription form html file, that does not have the offending link in it, and instruction on how to fix the problem (delete offending file, copy new one over old one ). So the site ought to be back up soon if this was all that happened. Just one of those little things, that happen. Thought it was good idea, guess it wasn't,,, :-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 10:07 AM Subject: All New Pictures > Thanks Bud for being so prompt in putting them up....for some reason I still > cannot get the other site to pull up. I have cut and pasted the URL from > Shirley's' post, I have typed it in and have gotten the same message all > week. > > Bud, your work and talent is growing by leaps and bounds. Your angels really > are terrific and I believe it is because they still continue to look over you. > > Shiela, love your earrings. You have really been busy since getting your kiln. > > Nadine, love your new works also. They are just totally awesome. > > Margie > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 14:28:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Suzanne Gunn" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:50:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.215013.0> References: <<1999Jul1.6929.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello I have had nuggets scratched as you said and my 'saving' nature would not let me throw them out. I had acculumated a few when I had an inspiration and tumbled them! Beach glass nuggets! Just a Thought! I have burnished foil onto nuggets using the jar technique but would not use the monkey or small child method. It only takes a few moments to do a decent job whilst minimising the damage. Just use a little more sense than frenzy!!! I always used a glass jar and waved it in a circle so the nuggets ran around the inside. Y would acknowledge that a plastic one be more sensible but would use a round one!! Having said all that I usually foil one by one! > When I buy nuggets I always throw some away because they have been > scratched or nicked just by being bagged up together. > > Also, I liked them **WELL** burnished. Guess I will try your method > with some of my black nuggets (that I dont really want anyway) and see > if I think it is as good as by hand. If so, it would save me a > tremendous amount of time. > > Suzanne > > > Then get a small tub, like a > > butter tub, fill it about half full with globs/marbles/unfoiled items that > > you are foiling, and snap the lid on, and stand/sit/or give it to a kid that > > likes to make noise, and have them shake it for about 3 to 5 minutes. > > -- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 16:55:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Website down for revamp, New pic's Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.5485.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Many of you have been emailing me to ask "What Happened to the Intrastar Glass List Site???" The site is hosted on Shirley's server in Texas, I only did the html and images, and also have agreed to maintain the site with updates as selfless service to the glass lists. So I FTP the files from California to Texas, that is far as my control/input goes. The problem is/was, I thought Shirley had completely reviewed the site, there was one page (a privacy statement, a generic template that I copied from another site, that I did a search and replace on), that was only linked from one place, and that was on the subscription form. Now most of us, would not even go to the subscription form, since we are already subscribed. Some of the statements in the privacy statement were not approved of by Shirley, and she sent me a email telling me that she pulled the site today. Now do not worry, I maintain a complete copy of the site on my computer. So if the site was deleted, once this get's worked out, then it can be restored from my copy ( I have already removed the offending link, and html file from my copy). If all she did was move the files, I have sent her a updated subscription form html file, that does not have the offending link in it, and instruction on how to fix the problem (delete offending file, copy new one over old one ). So the site ought to be back up soon if this was all that happened. Just one of those little things, that happen. Thought it was good idea, guess it wasn't,,, :-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 10:07 AM Subject: All New Pictures > Thanks Bud for being so prompt in putting them up....for some reason I still > cannot get the other site to pull up. I have cut and pasted the URL from > Shirley's' post, I have typed it in and have gotten the same message all > week. > > Bud, your work and talent is growing by leaps and bounds. Your angels really > are terrific and I believe it is because they still continue to look over you. > > Shiela, love your earrings. You have really been busy since getting your kiln. > > Nadine, love your new works also. They are just totally awesome. > > Margie > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 17:08:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Suzanne Gunn" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:50:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.215013.0> References: <<1999Jul1.6929.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello I have had nuggets scratched as you said and my 'saving' nature would not let me throw them out. I had acculumated a few when I had an inspiration and tumbled them! Beach glass nuggets! Just a Thought! I have burnished foil onto nuggets using the jar technique but would not use the monkey or small child method. It only takes a few moments to do a decent job whilst minimising the damage. Just use a little more sense than frenzy!!! I always used a glass jar and waved it in a circle so the nuggets ran around the inside. Y would acknowledge that a plastic one be more sensible but would use a round one!! Having said all that I usually foil one by one! > When I buy nuggets I always throw some away because they have been > scratched or nicked just by being bagged up together. > > Also, I liked them **WELL** burnished. Guess I will try your method > with some of my black nuggets (that I dont really want anyway) and see > if I think it is as good as by hand. If so, it would save me a > tremendous amount of time. > > Suzanne > > > Then get a small tub, like a > > butter tub, fill it about half full with globs/marbles/unfoiled items that > > you are foiling, and snap the lid on, and stand/sit/or give it to a kid that > > likes to make noise, and have them shake it for about 3 to 5 minutes. > > -- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 17:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: nuggets -Suzanne Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:02:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.9221.0> Precedence: bulk I find that shaking them, does exactly as you fear. I sometimes cannot use what I just foiled. However, if I gently swish them around in a plastic container, it takes longer but I damage fewer. So while this method is quicker, it can damage of few if not careful. They can be well burnished, just keep checking. The longer you swish, the better the burnish. I use the same unfoiled ones (extras I use in a small batch)....over and over again, because those you can just figure as waste. So save those black ones you do not like...and use them with the foiled ones. claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 20:00:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:45:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wisteria, weeping willows, small piece nightmares in glass Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 16:48:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.124842.0> References: <<1999Jun30.115850.0>> Precedence: bulk I've just done a pattern containing lupines. Lupines are flowers with innumerable small parts. i didn't try to be anatomically correct. I went for the overall shape and impression of lupines. Particularly if your tree is at a distance, get the overall shape right and use wavy up-and down lines to give the impression of long leaves. Good luck. J&RinMonroe wrote: > Hi all, > > The thread on patterns is of special interest as I'm attempting to turn a > picture I found into a Stained glass picture. My problem is how to deal > with the tree in the picture-it's probably a weeping willow-all those little > pointed pieces of glass are giving me nightmares-I'm sure the glass will get > lost in solder. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 21:03:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: websites-Tim Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:14:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.91451.0> Precedence: bulk Please send me your evaluation...also if you know if I can buy these over the net...I live in the wild, wild west, and it is far to the nearest computer store. I do most of my shopping via the net. Two more electronic miracles, shopping on the net and the debit card! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 21:24:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: looking for inspiration Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 17:09:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.13946.0> Precedence: bulk ...again...I'm actually looking for examples of graphics arts from the 20's and 30's...Art Deco type things. I will be going to the library tomorrow, but if anyone knows of a Web site, I'd be grateful. (Most of what I've found so far deals with the Art Deco architecture.) I have this VERY vague idea in my head for a design that I'd like to be somewhat true to the period. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 21:25:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 8 little piggies Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:01:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.14154.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Claudette Jaramillo" >Christie, I finally saw the pigs. Call me crazy, but I liked the lamp! = It has a touch of whimsy, and if the person is into live pigs, I would think= it would be a very pleasing lamp and a great conversational piece. I can see that each pig is expressive and fun. Good work!!! cj< Gee, thanks. The owners liked it so much they made me promise I would never make another one just like theirs. As if I ever would......... Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 21:45:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wosteria, weeping willows.... Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:22:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.172222.0> Precedence: bulk > > The thread on patterns is of special interest as I'm attempting to turn a > > picture I found into a Stained glass picture. My problem is how to deal > > with the tree in the picture-it's probably a weeping willow-all those little > > pointed pieces of glass are giving me nightmares-I'm sure the glass will get > > lost in solder. Maybe you can find that perfect art glass that can do alot of the work for you and minimize the number of peices needed.... try looking at the pic of the tree...blurring your eyes... dont focus on the leaves, but the shading and textures... Just a thought. T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 21:54:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: lead free Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.145257.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk > It's all well and done to think you're okay to just use lead-free solder but think about it for a minute... okay, done?... now you've probably figured out that you've got to use an uncontaminated flux and flux brush that's never been used on a lead solder project, and flush your soldering iron tip to remove as much lead from it as possible... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: studio@stainedglass.co.uk > > To: > Sent: July 1, 1999 4:41 AM > Subject: Re: nuggets > > > > At 20:06 30/06/99 -0400, Dani wrote: > > >I would highly recommend you use a lead-free > > >solder if you'll be wearing... > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 22:07:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:46:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.144617.0> References: <<1999Jul1.104139.0>> Precedence: bulk It's all well and done to think you're okay to just use lead-free solder but think about it for a minute... okay, done?... now you've probably figured out that you've got to use an uncontaminated flux and flux brush that's never been used on a lead solder project, and flush your soldering iron tip to remove as much lead from it as possible... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: studio@stainedglass.co.uk To: Sent: July 1, 1999 4:41 AM Subject: Re: nuggets > At 20:06 30/06/99 -0400, Dani wrote: > >I would highly recommend you use a lead-free > >solder if you'll be wearing... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 22:20:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 16:35:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.93520.0> References: <<1999Jul2.31237.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Debbie. This is not a flame ... but some things in your email bear correcting. This might seem like a flame, but believe me this is not. I reserve that for special and very rare occasions (which this is not), like when someone attacks me and I stand to lose something. daver!one.net!kleeman@earthlink.net wrote: > i don't know if this is correct or not, it is not correct > but the when i asked the computer nerd i live with about this (he is a > programmer) So what? I do computer programming too, as do other people on this list (at least one that I'm certain of). What experience does he have with legal matters? I have quite a bit. Most of the programmers I know wouldn't know a whereof from a therein . Besides that ... I not only know how to read the English language but I speak of what I know and have verified before I give an opinion on a legal issue. Why don't you print out the following excerpt from the Yahoo TOS in question (now apparently changed in some minor details), which he evidently never read (or didn't understand) before he gave the opinion you quoted him on, and see if he doesn't change his mind. I'll bet he DOES change his mind once he READS the TOS in question. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 8. CONTENT SUBMITTED TO YAHOO By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you automatically grant, or warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued-- The above is NOT a "disclaimer" ... sorry. It SPECIFICALLY lays claims to any and all works placed on their servers. That *may* have been Yahoo's ORIGINAL intent. But their *intent* is something known only to the Master of the Universe. What counts, is what they WROTE. In law, the only thing that counts is what is in black and white and signed. What the Yahoo TOS SAYS, in black and white, is that THEY can do ANYTHING THEY WANT with ANYTHING you put on their server *if* you expressly agree to it. THAT is what counts. OK? You do not have to be an attorney to figure that one out. > for example, if someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue > yahoo for copyright infringement--- If that were their intent ... then why doesn't their TOS say so? Instead, their TOS says something VERY different. > even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to > protect themselves Unfortunately for this point of view, their TOS allows them to do whatever they want with any and all your works at their discretion ... just a wee bit more than "just trying to protect themselves". > now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was > told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only > my opinion Debbie ... when you (or anyone else) express an opinion in a public forum, particularly on a legal matter that affects a lot of people, you must be prepared to defend it. If you don't like that, then don't express opinions. There are (at last report) some 650+ people on this mailing list ... this is a public forum no matter how relaxed and laid back it may seem. For example, look at Albert Lewis' writings and see how carefully they are worded. He's a good writer too. (That is an opinion I feel confident no one will disagree with.) It is clear that HE knows this is a public forum. I bite my tongue quite often when tempted to express an opinion in a public forum on legal issues, politically charged issues, and/or issues with religious import, because such expression would require me to defend said opinion and I decide quite frequently its just not worth the effort. Most people don't really want to know anyone else's opinion in the first place and simply get emotional when you disagree with them even if they haven't actually expressed their opinion. For example, I completely disagree with the idiotic opinion expressed by that American ex-patriate living in Mexico. I have lived in Mexico myself (a summer) and returned many times since as well as Europe (12 years) and visited much of North, West and Central Africa, South America and Asia (mostly for teaching) so I have a right to an opinion on the subject. Instead I chose not to express an opinion on that subject. THIS issue (Yahoo/Geocities) is different and I chose to speak up (a little) because Mike Savaad, who has given a lot to the online stained glass community, is in a tight spot. Actually, if I were in Mike's shoes [HINT HINT HINT HINT HINT], I'd shut down the Geocities site and get a virtual server at OLM or WEBAXXS. For $15/month you get 400 MB of server storage (thats actually quite a lot) and around 5 GB transfer per month (thats a lot of GB's btw) + other stuff I won't get into. They're extremely reliable and the cheapest around. Not to mention that THEY get all the non-negligible hassles of running a server. I've been using them for some time now. Further, Geocities is a TERRIBLE outfit. OK ... way past time to go ..... regards to all (particularly Debbie ) ........ Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 22:21:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "K See" , , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany Children Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:36:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.143636.0> References: <<1999Jun29.144541.0>> Precedence: bulk It's sometimes better to keep your mouth shut and have everyone think you the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt... > ...and one great grandson...Harry Platt> > > | I think I heard somewhere Tiffany never married and didn't have any > | children. Grandchildren would be interesting?? It could have been Irving > | Tiffany's grandchildren. > | Linda Jo Tiffany > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Anna Tom > | To: glass@intrastar.net > | Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:01 PM > | Subject: Re: stepping stones delivered > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 22:43:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:41:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Website back online Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:37:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.83715.0> Precedence: bulk The website is back online. Check out Shiela(earrings), Nadine(three windows), and Bud (a bunch of pictures that just came back from developing) on the gallery pages, if you did not make it to the site earlier, before we had to do minor link changes. ;-) http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/ Susan, the giraffe panel is up there ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 22:51:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Torches and stuff :o) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 17:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.123127.0> Precedence: bulk I've been wanting a torch...and as one of my favorite bungi *teachers* just suggested...why wait and put it on my Christmas list... Does anyone have a hot head, or what ever kind of torch would be appropriate, that they are no longer using...that you would be willing to sell me cheap? <- the cheap part is just...thats all I can afford! :o) If you have a yes for me...please email me privately...and I will be a happy camper! :o) Thanks in advance! Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 23:19:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fuse.net!afields From: Arleen Fields To: Brian Shepherd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:04:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.14423.0> References: <<1999Jul1.215013.0>> Precedence: bulk I also had nuggets I couldn't throw out. I put them in the kiln just long enough to smooth the scratches and chips. Brian Shepherd wrote: > Hello > > I have had nuggets scratched as you said and my 'saving' nature would not > let me throw them out. > > I had acculumated a few when I had an inspiration and tumbled them! Beach > glass nuggets! > Just a Thought! > > I have burnished foil onto nuggets using the jar technique but would not use > the monkey or small child method. It only takes a few moments to do a decent > job whilst minimising the damage. Just use a little more sense than > frenzy!!! I always used a glass jar and waved it in a circle so the nuggets > ran around the inside. Y would acknowledge that a plastic one be more > sensible but would use a round one!! > > Having said all that I usually foil one by one! > > > When I buy nuggets I always throw some away because they have been > > scratched or nicked just by being bagged up together. > > > > Also, I liked them **WELL** burnished. Guess I will try your method > > with some of my black nuggets (that I dont really want anyway) and see > > if I think it is as good as by hand. If so, it would save me a > > tremendous amount of time. > > > > Suzanne > > > > > Then get a small tub, like a > > > butter tub, fill it about half full with globs/marbles/unfoiled items > that > > > you are foiling, and snap the lid on, and stand/sit/or give it to a kid > that > > > likes to make noise, and have them shake it for about 3 to 5 minutes. > > > > -- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 23:31:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Family Account" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: looking for inspiration Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:11:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.151144.0> Precedence: bulk You might look for a book called: Art Deco Stained Glass Pattern Book : 91 Designs for Workable Projects by, you guessed it, Ed Sibbett. Or order it from Amazon.com for $5.56. ........................... Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 9:41 PM Subject: looking for inspiration >...again...I'm actually looking for examples of graphics arts from the >20's and 30's...Art Deco type things. I will be going to the library >tomorrow, but if anyone knows of a Web site, I'd be grateful. (Most of >what I've found so far deals with the Art Deco architecture.) I have >this VERY vague idea in my head for a design that I'd like to be >somewhat true to the period. >Dorothy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 23:42:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com (Bungi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass at the Gardens Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:15:55 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul2.51555.0> Precedence: bulk Denver's big glass event is coming up soon (end of July- early August at the Denver Botanical Gardens). Can anybody who has been to this event in the past describe it in some detail? Am looking forward to attending and seeing quality work. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 1 23:48:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:03:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Mike Figgy" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany Children Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:57:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul1.155733.0> Precedence: bulk Do any of you remember the discussion on DALE TIFFANY? nuf said....... weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 02:23:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: wisteria, weeping willows, small piece nightmares in glass Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:34:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990702043445.006c51ec@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1999Jun30.115850.0>> Precedence: bulk Here is another idea....... try copper foil overlay, decorative solder and/or tinned wire with solder drops on them for the "detail" on willow trees, lupines, willows and the like. You don't have to do a lot of it .... design as suggested below incorporating the overlay, etc in strategic well balanced places and the effect can be lovely, adding texture and detail to a piece. Barbara At 04:48 PM 7/1/99 -0400, Family Account wrote: >I've just done a pattern containing lupines. Lupines are flowers with >innumerable small parts. i didn't try to be anatomically correct. I went for >the overall shape and impression of lupines. Particularly if your tree is at a >distance, get the overall shape right and use wavy up-and down lines to give the >impression of long leaves. Good luck. > >J&RinMonroe wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> The thread on patterns is of special interest as I'm attempting to turn a >> picture I found into a Stained glass picture. My problem is how to deal >> with the tree in the picture-it's probably a weeping willow-all those little >> pointed pieces of glass are giving me nightmares-I'm sure the glass will get >> lost in solder. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 04:00:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: hotglass@list.bb.net, 'Bud Britt' , Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Website back online Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 05:58:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.15818.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, Thanks for fixing it.. Also could not enter.. Thought it was the fire wall here at work, next time I will ask. Gloria > ---------- > From: Bud Britt[SMTP:computerministry@unitytustin.org] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 6:37 PM > To: hotglass@list.bb.net > Subject: Website back online > > The website is back online. Check out Shiela(earrings), Nadine(three > windows), and Bud (a bunch of pictures that just came back from > developing) > on the gallery pages, if you did not make it to the site earlier, before > we > had to do minor link changes. ;-) > > http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/ > > Susan, the giraffe panel is up there ;-) > > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 06:27:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 05:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: mfig@netcom.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lead free Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:42:40 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul2.124240.0> Precedence: bulk You know those flux brushes that stained glass suppliers sell (the acid safe ones)? I buy them bulk (12 for $1) at a local hardware closeout store - very disposable. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 06:58:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 05:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: mfig@netcom.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tiffany Children Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:45:39 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul2.124539.0> Precedence: bulk Just for the sake of giving credit to the author: "It is better to keep ones mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt" - Samuel Clemens ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 07:11:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 05:23:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lead free Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:07:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199907021206.IAA20380@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > you've > probably figured out that you've got to use an uncontaminated flux > and flux brush that's never been used on a lead solder project, and > flush your soldering iron tip to remove as much lead from it as > possible... Or you have two soldering irons, one of them used only for lead-free solder, as well as two containers of flux, one of them used only for lead-free solder, and two flux brushes, one of them used only for lead-free solder. Seems simple enough to me. Mike Figgy and other suppliers would doubtless be glad to double their sales in those areas ... and you could rest assured that your lead-free projects are in fact totally free of lead without going to a great deal of expense. (Just don't confuse the two sets: put some green paint -- get it? -- on the handle of the "green" soldering iron, on the handle of the flux brush used for lead-free work, and on the container of flux used for the same work. Oh, you might consider a sheet of Homosote that's used only for your lead-free projects, too, as a work surface. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 08:08:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: wosteria, weeping willows.... Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:22:26 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199907021426.JAA14137@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk try looking at the pic of the tree...blurring your eyes... dont focus on the leaves, but the shading and textures... For some of us, it's just a matter of taking off the glasses! : - ) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 08:38:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.62613.0> References: <<1999Jul1.93520.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk rrk wrote: > > Hello Debbie. This is not a flame ... but some things in > your email bear > correcting. This might seem like a flame, but believe me > this is not. I > reserve that for special and very rare occasions (which this > is not), like when > someone attacks me and I stand to lose something. > > daver!one.net!kleeman@earthlink.net wrote: > > > i don't know if this is correct or not, > > it is not correct > > > but the when i asked the computer nerd i live with about this (he is a > > programmer) > > So what? I do computer programming too, as do other people > on this list (at > least one that I'm certain of). What experience does he > have with legal > matters? I have quite a bit. Most of the programmers I > know wouldn't know a > whereof from a therein . Besides that ... I not only > know how to read > the English language but I speak of what I know and have > verified before I give > an opinion on a legal issue. Why don't you print out the > following excerpt from > the Yahoo TOS in question (now apparently changed in some > minor details), which > he evidently never read (or didn't understand) before he > gave the opinion you > quoted him on, and see if he doesn't change his mind. I'll > bet he DOES change > his mind once he READS the TOS in question. > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > 8. CONTENT SUBMITTED TO YAHOO > > By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you > automatically grant, or warrant that the owner of > such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the > royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive > and fully sublicensable right and license to use, > reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, > create derivative works from, distribute, perform > and display such Content (in whole or part) > worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works > in any form, media, or technology now known or > later developed. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued-- > > The above is NOT a "disclaimer" ... sorry. It SPECIFICALLY > lays claims to any > and all works placed on their servers. > > That *may* have been Yahoo's ORIGINAL intent. But their > *intent* is something > known only to the Master of the Universe. What counts, is > what they WROTE. > > In law, the only thing that counts is what is in black and > white and signed. > What the Yahoo TOS SAYS, in black and white, is that THEY > can do ANYTHING THEY > WANT with ANYTHING you put on their server *if* you > expressly agree to it. THAT > is what counts. > > OK? > > You do not have to be an attorney to figure that one out. > > > for example, if someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue > > yahoo for copyright infringement--- > > If that were their intent ... then why doesn't their TOS say > so? Instead, their > TOS says something VERY different. > > > even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to > > protect themselves > > Unfortunately for this point of view, their TOS allows them > to do whatever they > want with any and all your works at their discretion ... > just a wee bit more > than "just trying to protect themselves". > > > now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was > > told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only > > my opinion > > Debbie ... when you (or anyone else) express an opinion in a > public forum, > particularly on a legal matter that affects a lot of people, > you must be > prepared to defend it. If you don't like that, then don't > express opinions. > There are (at last report) some 650+ people on this mailing > list ... this is a > public forum no matter how relaxed and laid back it may > seem. > > For example, look at Albert Lewis' writings and see how > carefully they are > worded. He's a good writer too. (That is an opinion I feel > confident no one > will disagree with.) It is clear that HE knows this is a > public forum. > > I bite my tongue quite often when tempted to express an > opinion in a public > forum on legal issues, politically charged issues, and/or > issues with religious > import, because such expression would require me to defend > said opinion and I > decide quite frequently its just not worth the effort. Most > people don't really > want to know anyone else's opinion in the first place and > simply get emotional > when you disagree with them even if they haven't actually > expressed their > opinion. For example, I completely disagree with the > idiotic opinion expressed > by that American ex-patriate living in Mexico. I have lived > in Mexico myself (a > summer) and returned many times since as well as Europe (12 > years) and visited > much of North, West and Central Africa, South America and > Asia (mostly for > teaching) so I have a right to an opinion on the subject. > Instead I chose not > to express an opinion on that subject. > > THIS issue (Yahoo/Geocities) is different and I chose to > speak up (a little) > because Mike Savaad, who has given a lot to the online > stained glass community, > is in a tight spot. > > Actually, if I were in Mike's shoes [HINT HINT HINT HINT > HINT], I'd shut down > the Geocities site and get a virtual server at OLM or > WEBAXXS. For $15/month > you get 400 MB of server storage (thats actually quite a > lot) and around 5 GB > transfer per month (thats a lot of GB's btw) + other stuff > I won't get into. > They're extremely reliable and the cheapest around. Not to > mention that THEY > get all the non-negligible hassles of running a server. > I've been using them > for some time now. Further, Geocities is a TERRIBLE outfit. > > OK ... way past time to go ..... regards to all > (particularly Debbie ) > ........ Bob > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah but then i'd have to pay for it. and since i'm not making any money i would'nt want to pay for it... got to the newsgroup alt.homepages.geocities there's been quite a bit of talk about this.... now i have re-write some of my site and upload it else where. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 09:07:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:07:45 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.11745.0> References: <<1999Jun29.9712.0>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk May I make a request on behalf of all the "service assistants" of the world? of which I have been one, thank god, no longer. Please, consider mentioning something to the service assistant, before going over their head to the boss. NO-ONE, I repeat NO-ONE is perfect in their job ALL THE TIME! Sure, these people are paid to be friendly and helpful. no kidding. but really, everyone has off days. If I were offended by the behaviour of a person on the street, I would hardly report them to their parents before I addressed them about their behaviour. Think about it. what are your reasons for going to the boss? to warn them about the bad experience you've had in their store, to tell them that you won't be going back perhaps? presumably so that the service assistant in question will straighten up their act? If a service assistant has a bad attitude, do you think that getting reamed out by the boss will suddenly "lighten up their smile?" more likely to make them upset, angry, and perhaps depressed. Surely the compassionate thing to do is approach the service assistant directly, tell them that their actions annoyed you, and made you feel unwelcome. 9 times out of 10 you'll find a genuinely sorry service assistant. the ones who spark up, or make false apologies, sure, go to the boss. I find it a sad thing that customers would prefer to "dob someone in," get them in strife, and perpetuate whatever bad energy is going on for that someone. Why not just confront the situation as it occurs, then see if there's a change? I got this forwarded to me the other day, perhaps I should have just sent it and saved my 2cents ;-) > > A group of frogs were traveling through the woods, and two of them > > fell into > > a deep pit. > > > > All the other frogs gathered around the pit. When they saw how deep > > the pit > > was, they told the two frogs that they were as good as dead. > > > > The two frogs ignored the comments and tried to jump up out of the > > pit with > > all of their might. The other frogs kept telling them to stop, that > > they > > were as good as dead. > > > > Finally, one of the frogs took heed to what the other frogs were > > saying and > > gave up. He fell down and died. The other frog continued to jump as > > hard as > > he could. > > > > Once again, the crowd of frogs yelled at him to stop the pain and > > just die. > > He jumped even harder and finally made it out. > > > > You see this frog was deaf, unable to hear the others plea. He > > thought they > > were encouraging him the entire time. > > > > This story teaches two lessons. > > > > There is power of life and death in the tongue. An encouraging word > > to > > someone who is down can lift them up and help them make it through > > the day. > > A destructive word to someone who is down can be what it takes to > > kill them. > > > > Be careful of what you say. Speak life to those who cross your path. > > The > > power of words... it is sometimes hard to understand that an > > encouraging > > word can go such a long way. > > > > So from this day forward, think before you speak. > > > > Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 09:33:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: wosteria, weeping willows.... Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:13:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.71341.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne Gunn >Maybe you can find that perfect art glass that can do alot of the work for you and minimize the number of peices needed....< Youghiogheny is perfect for this sort of thing. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 09:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Kaye Sodt' , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: wosteria, weeping willows.... Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:05:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.7556.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEC49C.647AAD7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For others it is a matter of getting ready to paint glass. Can you hand me that bottle of wine? Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Sodt [mailto:kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU] Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 11:22 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: wosteria, weeping willows.... try looking at the pic of the tree...blurring your eyes... dont focus on the leaves, but the shading and textures... For some of us, it's just a matter of taking off the glasses! : - ) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEC49C.647AAD7A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: wosteria, weeping willows....

For others it is a matter of getting = ready to paint glass.
Can you hand me that bottle of = wine?

Vic M.

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Kaye Sodt [mailto:kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.N= WU.EDU]
      Sent:   Friday, July 02, 1999 11:22 AM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
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      <snip>try looking at the pic of = the tree...blurring your eyes... dont focus
      on the leaves, but the shading and = textures...<sinp>

      For some of us, it's just a matter of = taking off the glasses!  : - )

      Kaye
      ----
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BEC49C.647AAD7A-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 10:43:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:35:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199907021635.MAA25516@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Surely the compassionate thing to do is approach the > service assistant directly, tell them that their actions annoyed > you, and made you feel unwelcome. 9 times out of 10 you'll find a > genuinely sorry service assistant Agreed. The angle I take is to say, "I'm sorry. Did I say or do something to offend you? You seem angry with me." thereby presenting myself as perhaps the person in the wrong. Of course, they usually reply, "Oh, no! You're fine, but I'm having a bad day. Sorry if I seemed to have been taking it out on you." Unless, of course, you're in any mall in America, faced with an 18-year-old who doesn't want to be there anyway. Then she'll just roll her eyes and say, "Whatever." Aaaaaarrrragh! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 11:08:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:02:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: ktsplash , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:01:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.7153.0> References: <<1999Jul3.11745.0>> Precedence: bulk I'd have happily talked to her. I stood at her desk 10 minutes waiting for her to acknowledge me. I think I did all I could, except perhaps behave as rudely to her as she did me, by interrupting her and saying "Excuse me, but do you *work* here?" <-Guess that might have been sort of comical in a smarta$$ kind of way...of course I just now thought of that....what, 8 days later? ;o) I just chose to leave. In a town like Taos, they may only have that *one* chance to interact with a customer...cause most of them dont live in Taos. Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 11:47:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:02:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NOT GLASS-CRAZY PEOPLE Date: Fri Jul 2 11:01:49 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.83949.0> Precedence: bulk okay who put my phone on the wall of the psycho ward? or is there a full moon? every crazy and there brother has called the studio today! one guy was upset because he can't find anyone that sells stained glass kits that he could buy and cut down to fit his front door--didn't want a custom piece -- wanted a generic piece of stained glass he could reshape from a kit! what a day! debbie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 12:49:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:53:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.45350.0> Precedence: bulk >>Unless, of course, you're in any mall in America, faced with an 18-year-old who doesn't want to be there anyway. Then she'll just roll her eyes and say, "Whatever." Aaaaaarrrragh! Albert<< I do not feel that we the customer owe the sales clerk very much. When they make themselves unavailable for service I, for one, am not going to spend my time trying to get their attention. OTOH, the owner deserves to know my impressions of the poor service provided to me. I trust the owner to make the correct decisions in regard to the weight of my complaint. That the sales clerk may have a nervous breakdown and perhaps commit suicide is not well within my ability to control. Let's face it, a good part of the purchase price goes toward paying the sales force. They should earn my money. Spent a couple of hours at City Hall yesterday. Those people know how to say no and maybe and not offend. At least here, that is. I did not get what I wanted yet came away respecting the people who would not make my life easy and just do things MY way. Now I have to go to work and do things right. ............... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 14:12:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: ktsplash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:03:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.6311.0> References: <<1999Jul3.11745.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk ktsplash wrote: > > May I make a request on behalf of all the "service assistants" of the world? > of which I have been one, thank god, no longer. > Please, consider mentioning something to the service assistant, before going > over their head to the boss. NO-ONE, I repeat NO-ONE is perfect in their job > ALL THE TIME! > Sure, these people are paid to be friendly and helpful. no kidding. but > really, everyone has off days. > If I were offended by the behaviour of a person on the street, I would > hardly report them to their parents before I addressed them about their > behaviour. > Think about it. what are your reasons for going to the boss? to warn them > about the bad experience you've had in their store, to tell them that you > won't be going back perhaps? presumably so that the service assistant in > question will straighten up their act? > If a service assistant has a bad attitude, do you think that getting reamed > out by the boss will suddenly "lighten up their smile?" more likely to make > them upset, angry, and perhaps depressed. Surely the compassionate thing to > do is approach the service assistant directly, tell them that their actions > annoyed you, and made you feel unwelcome. 9 times out of 10 you'll find a > genuinely sorry service assistant. the ones who spark up, or make false > apologies, sure, go to the boss. > I find it a sad thing that customers would prefer to "dob someone in," get > them in strife, and perpetuate whatever bad energy is going on for that > someone. Why not just confront the situation as it occurs, then see if > there's a change? > I got this forwarded to me the other day, perhaps I should have just sent it > and saved my 2cents ;-) > oh Katie....you are SOOOO right...having done my share of "public service" work...you never know WHAT may have happened to put that person in a snit..they are not robots you know. They may just have had the customer from hell....they themselves may have had horrible things happen, but hey, gotta have a smile pasted on your face or some perfection seeker will turn you in for it. If someone cannot deal with this type of having a smile on the face constantly no matter what...doesnt mean they are a bad person...just that they are not cut out for public service. I have worked as a waitress and with the public in various ways and I hate it becasue no matter what kind of attitude comes in the door you have to be up and on stage at all times and I just cant do it. Some people can...I am not one of them..despite the menial nature of hte work...it DOES take a special kind of person to do this sort of thing....unfortunately in resort towns like Taos (and Vail, where I used to live) this is about the ONLY type of work available is public service of various kinds....lots of kids flocking in and getting jobs that "seem" like you dont need any special skills or knowledge for so they can spend a season or so skiing or whatever it is you do in these places. It is not surprising that stuff like that happens. I was lucky enough to find a job there as a ski technician so I got to spend my time doing "work" and not having my "work" be chatting up people I didnt really care to be talking with...some people thrive on talking to everyone and anyone but I guess I am more selective and just find myself sapped by having to be chatty Cathy all day long. Probably the girl in this gallery likes art, may be an art student herself...but just isnt that into the public all day long but its all the job she can get and no doubt her boss thought about her art interests rather than her people skills when hiring her. doesnt make it right, thats just the way it is in resort towns. Assuming she wasnt just having an off day..... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 14:43:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:10:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.61027.0> References: <<1999Jul2.7153.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > I'd have happily talked to her. I stood at her desk 10 minutes waiting > for her to acknowledge me. I think I did all I could, except perhaps > behave as rudely to her as she did me, by interrupting her and saying > "Excuse me, but do you *work* here?" <-Guess that might have been sort > of comical in a smarta$$ kind of way...of course I just now thought of > that....what, 8 days later? ;o) > > I just chose to leave. In a town like Taos, they may only have that > *one* chance to interact with a customer...cause most of them dont live > in Taos. > > Suzanne > -- > perhaps she was waiting for you to say something Suzanne???? Maybe SHE thought "you" were being rude for just standing there looking at her and waiting.....granted the responsibility is "more" on her as the employee....but hey, I would have asked her if she worked there and could help me, I'd have grabbed the bull by the horns instead of passively sitting there waiting for her to make the first move. Hey, when I went to Umass Boston (Boston being an epicenter for innattentive store clerks etc) I stopped by the office to get an application and there was a receptionist,paid for no doubt, by my tax dollars, polishing her nails, talking on the phone and browsing an Avon catalog...it was NOT her lunch hour...not at nine in the morning.....and had I sat and looked at her and waited...I'd still be there six years later, watching her ignore me....I told her what I wanted and I got it (admittedly the nail polisher was ticked to be interuppted at her task...but hey, she was on the clock...KWIM?.)sometimes you just have to take the initiative...and it is a sad fact we have these people in the world...I am interested in getting what I want...not in reforming every public service employee who would really rather be reading, polishing nails, talking on the phone or whatever else instead of doing what she has been paid to do. Of which there are many and always will be many in this world. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 14:58:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glshorse@ior.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 15:40:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.104013.0> References: <<378262B3.2284@ior.com>> Precedence: bulk She was waiting for me to interrupt her phone call? My mother taught me better manners. Suzanne > perhaps she was waiting for you to say something Suzanne???? Maybe SHE > thought "you" were being rude for just standing there looking at her and > waiting.....granted the responsibility is "more" on her as the > employee....but hey, I would have asked her if she worked there and > could help me, I'd have grabbed the bull by the horns instead of > passively sitting there waiting for her to make the first move. -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 15:10:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:29:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.62915.0> References: <<377D23AD.117F067@ix.netcom.com>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > She was waiting for me to interrupt her phone call? My mother taught me > better manners. > > Suzanne > do you know that it was a personal phone call? Or perhaps it was a very important business call. Granted when one is on an important business call, there are nonverbal ways of acknowledging someones presence, but perhaps if she was young she did not realize this? If so it would be a shame for her boss to give her a dressing down for not juggling the business on the phone with the business in the store appropriately. if the call was personal...well....we all know what a bad idea it is to spend long hours on personal business at work...whatever your job...you are being paid to WORK...not to manage your personal life....but unless you are "sure" that this was a personal and not a business call...you could be very very wrong about her rudeness. She may just be inexperienced. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 15:16:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:01:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.916.0> Precedence: bulk > >I do not feel that we the customer owe the sales clerk very much. When they >make themselves unavailable for service I, for one, am not going to spend my >time trying to get their attention. > I agree. Nothing frustrates me more than have to beg someone to *let* me spend my hard-earned money in their establishment... Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 15:33:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: att.net!r.wickline From: "Rebecca Wickline" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 17:31:39 -0400 Message-ID: <19990702212931.WLAE4954@[12.79.198.72]> Precedence: bulk Going away for a while. Checking out stuff in La. and Tex. Take me off the list until I get back. Thanks, Becky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 15:43:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: Michele Spruill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:05:06 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jul2.2156.0> Precedence: bulk I'll be to busy to play with the computer for a few weeks....M _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 15:49:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:58:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Elizabeth Arakelian , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:58:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.115853.0> References: <<1999Jul6.6311.0>> Precedence: bulk *If* we are talking about the *original* situation of my being ignored in a glass gallery...... This gal wasnt having a bad day or in a "snit". She called a man, and was doing her best to get a date. He wasnt taking the bait...and she was trying really hard to keep a conversation going. Pretty sad. It was more than obvious it wasnt business...and the only purpose was to flirt with someone that wasnt into being flirted with. Her conversation was very ackward..and seems like it would have been a relief for her to get off the phone, my guess is she isnt good at taking hints. Regardless of what trip she was on....she was paid to be there for one reason. I'd hardly consider myself as a perfection seeker in people... sheesh...you should meet my ex husband! ;o) She may be inexperienced...but she wasnt some teenager...my guess is she was early 30's. Suzanne > ...you never know WHAT may have happened to put that person > in a snit..they are not robots you know. They may just have had the > customer from hell....they themselves may have had horrible things > happen, but hey, gotta have a smile pasted on your face or some > perfection seeker will turn you in for it. > do you know that it was a personal phone call? Or perhaps it was a > very important business call. Granted when one is on an important > business call, there are nonverbal ways of acknowledging someones > presence, but perhaps if she was young she did not realize this? If so > it would be a shame for her boss to give her a dressing down for not > juggling the business on the phone with the business in the store > appropriately. if the call was personal...well....we all know what a > bad idea it is to spend long hours on personal business at > work...whatever your job...you are being paid to WORK...not to manage > your personal life....but unless you are "sure" that this was a personal > and not a business call...you could be very very wrong about her > rudeness. She may just be inexperienced. > > Liz > -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 16:06:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:58:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.75821.0> References: <<199907021635.MAA25516@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk whatEVER! LOL. ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Lewis To: Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop > > Surely the compassionate thing to do is approach the > > service assistant directly, tell them that their actions annoyed > > you, and made you feel unwelcome. 9 times out of 10 you'll find a > > genuinely sorry service assistant > > Agreed. The angle I take is to say, "I'm sorry. Did I say or do > something to offend you? You seem angry with me." thereby presenting > myself as perhaps the person in the wrong. Of course, they usually > reply, "Oh, no! You're fine, but I'm having a bad day. Sorry if I > seemed to have been taking it out on you." > > Unless, of course, you're in any mall in America, faced with an > 18-year-old who doesn't want to be there anyway. Then she'll just > roll her eyes and say, "Whatever." > > Aaaaaarrrragh! > > Albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 16:22:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:24:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.82412.0> References: <<1999Jul2.7153.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk I love how this has become all about YOU, Suzanne. I'm going to overstate this for dramatic purposes: YOU the evil uninvited ugh-shopper that doesn't take into account the poor mis-understood cinderella shop girl! It's all YOUR fault. And don't you DARE turn her in to the EVIL SHOP OWNER!!!! OWNER for god's sake.. the rich nasty slavedriving owner who will throw her into the burning cinders of unemployment for ONE BAD DAY! GIVE ME A BREAK! Report her nasty self to the proper authorities! Throw her in jail. Bring back capitol punishment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: ktsplash ; Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop > I'd have happily talked to her. I stood at her desk 10 minutes waiting > for her to acknowledge me. I think I did all I could, except perhaps > behave as rudely to her as she did me, by interrupting her and saying > "Excuse me, but do you *work* here?" <-Guess that might have been sort > of comical in a smarta$$ kind of way...of course I just now thought of > that....what, 8 days later? ;o) > > I just chose to leave. In a town like Taos, they may only have that > *one* chance to interact with a customer...cause most of them dont live > in Taos. > > Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 16:45:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Sending a photo Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:33:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.143358.0> Precedence: bulk OK.. I'm going to go "big time" and send in pics of my work. All I ask is that you all remember that I've only done glass for ONE month... one paltry, little, eeny, weeny, teeny month!! I'm only sending them in because I'm SURE I'm a prodigy (can one be a prodigy in their 40's?), and that each and every one is perfect in every way. Shall I now point out all the obvious defects? Naaaahhhhhhhhh.... I'll just send them in, hoping each subsequent one is an improvement and enjoy the whole process! Be kind now!! :-)) Mary Jax. Fl. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 17:16:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Albert Lewis" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lead free Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:29:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.152944.0> References: <<199907021206.IAA20380@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Your "glad to double their sales" comment sort of hurt me, especially when I tend to discourage unneeded sales (i.e. my staff are told to try not to sell a customer a new cutter head unless we can check out their old one first (as quite often the cutter is fine, the customer's approach or technique might be the cause. This affords us an opportunity to teach that person something that might help him/her/it in the long run)...... especially when you consider the solution you offer (two soldering irons) is a much more expensive solution to the one I suggested... Back to the 'doubling sales' comment again (sorry I get easily distracted); as a matter of fact you don't even need to buy two bottles of flux- just next time you buy a new bottle pour off half of it for any lead free project... by the way an extra flux brush makes me about 8.5 cents (Canadian too, eh?!)... I salute you in your point wrt work surface- something I forgot- both of us also forgot the infamous 'grinder sponge'... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Lewis To: Sent: July 2, 1999 4:07 AM Subject: Re: lead free > > > you've > > probably figured out that you've got to use an uncontaminated flux > > and flux brush that's never been used on a lead solder project, and > > flush your soldering iron tip to remove as much lead from it as > > possible... > > Or you have two soldering irons, one of them used only for lead-free > solder, as well as two containers of flux, one of them used only for > lead-free solder, and two flux brushes, one of them used only for > lead-free solder. Seems simple enough to me. Mike Figgy and > other suppliers would doubtless be glad to double their sales in > those areas ... and you could rest assured that your lead-free > projects are in fact totally free of lead without going to a great > deal of expense. (Just don't confuse the two sets: put some green > paint -- get it? -- on the handle of the "green" soldering > iron, on the handle of the flux brush used for lead-free work, and on > the container of flux used for the same work. > > Oh, you might consider a sheet of Homosote that's used only for your > lead-free projects, too, as a work surface. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 17:27:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lead free Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:33:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.15339.0> References: <<98322755.24ae0dc0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk ...that hurt... flux brushes are one of the few items a legitimate retailer can sell and make a decent profit on... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: July 2, 1999 8:42 AM Subject: Re: lead free > > You know those flux brushes that stained glass suppliers sell (the acid safe > ones)? I buy them bulk (12 for $1) at a local hardware closeout store - very > disposable. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 19:22:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.17436.0> Precedence: bulk If a retailers (glass of course) profit hinges on selling flux brushes, oh dear!!! I get mine in a box of, must be 200 hundred or so for very little money, which suits me fine. Been done over by glass retailers on little stuff for way too many years. Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 20:23:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:37:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Bio Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:38:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.183835.0> Precedence: bulk Hi... you asked me to send a short bio, so here it is. I am 48, married with two sons, 18 and 15 years of age. I sold my second hair salon last summer, and am happily working for someone else, loving the art of doing hair without the rigor of the business dealings. I have done hair for 26 years, and still find it exciting and very creative. I have done pottery, furniture painting and various faux design work. I have found that I am happiest when doing any sort of "tactile" art, rather than 2D canvas painting. I like to "make" the art, rather than depict it. Pottery and stained glass were always the two art forms I wanted to try. I loved pottery, but when we moved, I lost my large garage, thus sold my kiln, wheel and equipment. Now that I am learning about fusion and bead making, I wish I had just traded my ceramic kiln for a front loader so that I can experiment with different glasses. I'm sure that will be my next purchase. I often remark that of all the gifts God could have given me, it was incredible of Him to gift me with artistic ability. The joy art gives me is second only to my family! Just think.. He COULD have made me good with numbers!! Arggghhhhhhhhhhhhh... I think I would just die!! I love this list.. thanks to all you who have helped me with many questions. Mary Barry Jax. Fl. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 20:56:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 17:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.10724.0> References: <<1999Jul2.115853.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > *If* we are talking about the *original* situation of my being ignored > in a glass gallery...... > > This gal wasnt having a bad day or in a "snit". She called a man, and > was doing her best to get a date. He wasnt taking the bait...and she > was trying really hard to keep a conversation going. Pretty sad. > It was more than obvious it wasnt business...and the only purpose was to > flirt with someone that wasnt into being flirted with. Her conversation > was very ackward..and seems like it would have been a relief for her to > get off the phone, my guess is she isnt good at taking hints. > > Regardless of what trip she was on....she was paid to be there for one > reason. I'd hardly consider myself as a perfection seeker in people... > sheesh...you should meet my ex husband! ;o) > > She may be inexperienced...but she wasnt some teenager...my guess is she > was early 30's. This is nothing. In France this would be GOOD "service". If this upsets you, just be glad you live in the USA. The origin of the word 'client' reveals all. Back at the dawn of the European romance languages in Europe, the King had clients, those who served the King were called 'clients'. The usage of the word changed a bit when merchants got into the picture during the middle ages and merchants had clients ... though the meaning was little removed. In North America we changed, indeed reversed, the use of the word, especially in the last 100 years, the 20th century that is ... until 'client' is now used interchangeably with 'customer'. Most of the Mediterranean countries (and their descendants here in this country) still use the word in its original sense. They (the merchants) are the Kings, and you (the customer) are the clients. They're doing YOU a service by offering you their services/merchandise. Like I said, be glad you live in the USA. Hope you all have a nice weekend on America's 223rd birthday! Regards to all ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 21:28:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Mike Figgy" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lead free Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:34:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.133423.0> Precedence: bulk >>Back to the 'doubling sales' comment again (sorry I get easily distracted); as a matter of fact you don't even need to buy two bottles of flux- just next time you buy a new bottle pour off half of it for any lead free project... by the way an extra flux brush makes me about 8.5 cents (Canadian too, eh?!)...<< You overloaded here. Most everyone knows that just pouring off some flux leads to unlabled containers. Let's play it safe here and not set up our customers to poison off their little children. Far better to be safe than sorry. There is nothing wrong with having an extra bottle of flux available. It keeps a long time and is considered a consumable. Far better to buy a six pack of toilet paper than a single roll. ................. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 21:58:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Mike Figgy" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lead free Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:41:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.134113.0> Precedence: bulk >>I salute you in your point wrt work surface- something I forgot- both of us also forgot the infamous 'grinder sponge'...<< Huh! Did I miss something or have you mistakenly refered to a sponge for cleaning the soldering iron as a 'grinder sponge'? ........................ Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 22:10:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Linda Jo Letscher" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.135748.0> Precedence: bulk >>If a retailers (glass of course) profit hinges on selling flux brushes, oh dear!!! I get mine in a box of, must be 200 hundred or so for very little money, which suits me fine. Been done over by glass retailers on little stuff for way too many years. Linda Jo<< A gross (144) of the common metal handled flux brushes costs me $7.00. That works out to under five cents each. My all time high retail price is ten cents each or three for twenty-five cents. Have even been known to give them away. Sorry, walk in sales only. ................ Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 22:31:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: andor@ilnk.com (Linda Jo Letscher) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-28174-7317 Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul2.141617.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-28174-7317 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Linda Jo stated: >Been done over by glass retailers on little stuff >for way too many years. --------------------- Well.....FYI...I respect my retailer. He not only helps me with all my questions but also is there to explain everything. Is he making a profit on his supplies?...I would hope so. You know...there's always somebody who can sell you something cheaper than the next guy. And...there always somebody who'll be looking to get something cheaper someplace else. Everyone who complains and whines that they think the local stained glass retailer is out there gouging the heck out of them and taking evey poor little nickle and dime from them, apparently has never worked in, or owned a retail business. I suppose you go to the market and try and get the manager to sell you a loaf of bread cheaper because you just know he's trying to gouge you. Think about the price of Levis the next time. How many middlemen did they go through before they got to the JC Penny store? Yet you'll pay the $30 dollars. And you'll go out and buy stuff made in China and still complain that the mom and pop down on the corner are trying to rip you off. Get a grip here....go out and open your own retail shop and discover what profit margins really are. Just how much should a retailer charge? I think no matter what the price was...you'd still complain. Sue Who spends her money locally. --WebTV-Mail-28174-7317 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. --WebTV-Mail-28174-7317-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 22:45:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop and other aggravating customer service Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:02:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.14228.0> References: <<1999Jul2.10724.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk rrk wrote: > > Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > *If* we are talking about the *original* situation of my being ignored > > in a glass gallery...... > > > > This gal wasnt having a bad day or in a "snit". She called a man, and > > was doing her best to get a date. He wasnt taking the bait...and she > > was trying really hard to keep a conversation going. Pretty sad. > > It was more than obvious it wasnt business...and the only purpose was to > > flirt with someone that wasnt into being flirted with. Her conversation > > was very ackward..and seems like it would have been a relief for her to > > get off the phone, my guess is she isnt good at taking hints. > > > > Regardless of what trip she was on....she was paid to be there for one > > reason. I'd hardly consider myself as a perfection seeker in people... > > sheesh...you should meet my ex husband! ;o) > > > > She may be inexperienced...but she wasnt some teenager...my guess is she > > was early 30's. > > This is nothing. In France this would be GOOD "service". If this upsets you, > just be glad you live in the USA. > > The origin of the word 'client' reveals all. Back at the dawn of the European > romance languages in Europe, the King had clients, those who served the King > were called 'clients'. The usage of the word changed a bit when merchants got > into the picture during the middle ages and merchants had clients ... though > the meaning was little removed. In North America we changed, indeed reversed, > the use of the word, especially in the last 100 years, the 20th century that > is ... until 'client' is now used interchangeably with 'customer'. Most of > the Mediterranean countries (and their descendants here in this country) still > use the word in its original sense. They (the merchants) are the Kings, and > you (the customer) are the clients. They're doing YOU a service by offering > you their services/merchandise. > > Like I said, be glad you live in the USA. > > Hope you all have a nice weekend on America's 223rd birthday! > > Regards to all ..... Bob > > I have traveled all over and lived (honestly) in all four corners of the USof A and grew up right in the middle...its real interesting to "compare" the regional differences in both customer service and one on one interactions. My mother is from the UK and my grandmother interestingly enough HATED the overly familiar attitude that you got in the part of the US I grew up in when she would come to visit...she HATED clerks saying "have a nice day" when you know perfectly well they dont care if you have a nice day or a horrible one (unless of course a nice day means you might spend more money in their shop) I guess I dont know which is worse...obnoxious, hovering and overly solicitious shop employees or those who pretend you do not exist....then there is the Boston welcome of "whaddya want"???said like the person really isnt overly happy you set foot onto their premises and disturbed their day...... my current pet peeve is a number of local businesses who have taken to saying "its a wonderful day at _______" I always feel like saying, yah, my favorite aunt just died, I found out I have a terminal illness and my dog got run over, yeah, wonderful day, RIGHT.......it irritates me NO END...when a simple "you've reached ______, how can we direct your call?" would be much much more appropriate. While no one likes rudeness, the other extreme is just as aggravating IMHO. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 23:04:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:47:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: retailers Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.204141.0> Precedence: bulk Susan Wrote: Well.....FYI...I respect my retailer. He not only helps me with all my questions but also is there to explain everything. Is he making a profit on his supplies?...I would hope so. You know...there's always somebody who can sell you something cheaper than the next guy. And...there always somebody who'll be looking to get something cheaper someplace else. Everyone who complains and whines that they think the local stained glass retailer is out there gouging the heck out of them and taking evey poor little nickle and dime from them, apparently has never worked in, or owned a retail business. I suppose you go to the market and try and get the manager to sell you a loaf of bread cheaper because you just know he's trying to gouge you. Think about the price of Levis the next time. How many middlemen did they go through before they got to the JC Penny store? Yet you'll pay the $30 dollars. And you'll go out and buy stuff made in China and still complain that the mom and pop down on the corner are trying to rip you off. Get a grip here....go out and open your own retail shop and discover what profit margins really are. Just how much should a retailer charge? I think no matter what the price was...you'd still complain. Sue Susan, I remember paying over $10.00 for a square foot over 10 years ago for glue chip from a local retailer that is now out of business. Then I went to a large retailer/mail order company in Pa and bought a full sheet when I was there for $5.00 for a sheet. So who was hosing who? I don't think it a crime to look for the best possible price for supplies, just seems to be common sense. Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 2 23:34:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Bob Duchesneau" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:32:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.153257.0> Precedence: bulk Add $.25 to the price of the flux..........give away the brush...........Be a sport! People will spend money to get something for free. If budget and profit margin is tight enough to worry about a brush.......PERHAPS>>>>>>> enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 00:02:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Wanna see a pic of some detail,,, Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.154912.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/tech-data/showoff.jpg them little seeds are grains of rice. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/index.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 00:36:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: NG Font question Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:19:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.161945.0> Precedence: bulk Hello All Font guru's, Font Addicts, You know who you are, www.intrastar.net\~bud\gallery.htm Could anyone tell me the font that I used on the buttons? It seems that I made some other graphics, and forgot to set my font back, and now have forgot which one it was. Thank you in advance, and yes, there are getting to be a bunch of them, and I might have to go to text links, or multiple pages for member links to their gallery's (if I stay with graphic buttons). Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/index.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 04:52:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 04:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Retail business in general Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:16:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.3162.0> Precedence: bulk I'm tossing my $.02 worth into the discussion. Having owned 2 hair salons, I learned something very interesting from a national focus group, which I repeated using random clients' opinions in my own salon. I did this because I doubted its accuracy. These are the top 4 reasons clients return to a salon. 1. They are greeted at the front desk by name. 2. Their stylist has a very good knowledge of hair products and recommends the correct ones. 3. There is harmony among stylists, and they felt they could change stylists without hurt feelings. 4. A good haircut. I have to also add that our prices were at the top end locally. As particular as women are about their hair, THATcame in 4th, and the top two reasons were simply good service. I believe if I went to Howard's shop, for example, and he charged $.50 for flux brushes, BUT he always remembered me, asked me about work we had discussed before, and showed a true interest in me, I couldn't care less about the price. Having said that, I don't mean to imply that I would ignore it if his pricing was way above the average, but I guarantee you I would go out of my way to use his store as much as possible, due to his good service. Lastly, as a general rule in retail, the normal markup is 100%. If a bottle of shampoo cost me 4.50, I sold it for 9.00. On certain items that cost me inordinate shipping, "green" fees, etc, I added a bit to that amount. To be left waiting at a counter while the employee was chatting on the phone, in my opinion, is a major no-no. OK.. back to that darn soldering iron. I WILL get it downpat one of these days. Happy 4th... I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 05:06:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 04:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:57:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.20570.0> References: <<1999Jul2.141617.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Perchelli To: Linda Jo Letscher Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Linda Jo stated: >Been done over by glass retailers on little stuff >for way too many years. --------------------- >>Well.....FYI...I respect my retailer. He not only helps me with all my questions but also is there to explain everything. Is he making a profit on his supplies?...I would hope so. You know...there's always somebody who can sell you something cheaper than the next guy. And...there always somebody who'll be looking to get something cheaper someplace else. Everyone who complains and whines that they think the local stained glass retailer is out there gouging the heck out of them and taking evey poor little nickle and dime from them, apparently has never worked in, or owned a retail business. I suppose you go to the market and try and get the manager to sell you a loaf of bread cheaper because you just know he's trying to gouge you. Think about the price of Levis the next time. How many middlemen did they go through before they got to the JC Penny store? Yet you'll pay the $30 dollars. And you'll go out and buy stuff made in China and still complain that the mom and pop down on the corner are trying to rip you off. Get a grip here....go out and open your own retail shop and discover what profit margins really are. Just how much should a retailer charge? I think no matter what the price was...you'd still complain. Sue Who spends her money locally. >> -------------------------------------- Ditto! Well said Sue... I can't say it better than Sue did. I can just "second that emotion". Further, There isn't a time, not ONE MINUTE, when I go into my local supplier that I don't get hundreds of dollars worth of advice/counsel/encouragement/training/education/and fun. Everytime - EVERY time I go into the shop to buy 1 flux bottle/brush whatever I bring ALL my questions/problems re: the current SG project I'm doing. And, I might be fortunate, because Craig at Lighthouse - in fact his entire staff are ALWAYS willing to stop their own projects/phone calls (remember "bad service in Taos" thread) to take all the time I need. ((Maybe Venice, CA isn't as trendy/aloof as TAOS >bg>). I'm all for saving money, and don't begrudge anyone else making wise choices (or not wise) about their spending. In my experience - support your local retailer is a WISE decision. I can't say it better than sue did, I can just "second that emotion". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 07:01:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 05:23:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NOT GLASS-CRAZY PEOPLE Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:21:09 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul3.12219.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach debbie: >okay >who put my phone on the wall of the psycho ward? >or is there a full moon? > >every crazy and there brother has called the studio today! Lemme see........ the full moon was 3 or 4 days ago, I think; maybe someone is having a delayed reaction? >one guy was upset because he can't find anyone that sells stained glass >kits that he could buy and cut down to fit his front door--didn't want a >custom piece -- wanted a generic piece of stained glass he could reshape >from a kit! What the hey - if he thinks he can cut the thing down to fit, he might as well just buy some glass and a great big ol' bevel cluster and do it from scratch! (Come to think of it, a bevel cluster is a kit of sorts, with lots of precut pieces..... it's just a freakin' expensive one!) And of course a few lessons first would be in order - do you teach? In any event, you have my sympathies. I know from experience that some customers are just looking for something to be PO'ed at. Sparks *very* glad to be out of Customer Service Purgatory ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 07:30:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 05:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Retail business in general Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 08:45:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990703084502.006ed080@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1999Jul3.3162.0>> Precedence: bulk I agree with Mary..... and to support that the customer will positively respond to hearing his name..... I manage a dining unit here at Cornell and, as many of you probably remember..... taking food out of the dining hall is a regular happenstance that few students associate with stealing. I learned early on that my best defense was to learn my customers names and use them as often as possible. And I constantly remind my staff to do the same. While this is not an easy task... I truly believe that my customers appreciate the efforts and reward us with their respect... While I enjoy a "captive audience" as a customer base.... good service is still my number one consideration. Another benefit is that my staff responds better to the customer when they learn to acknowledge the customer as an individual... rather than another face in a sea of faces. This is also a good defense when one of my staff does have an "off" day.......my customers are more forgiving. Most bad service exists because it is allowed to exist.... that's the manager/owners fault. If the customer does not complain to the person that has the best opportunity to correct the problem, the problem will persist... correcting a staff person is NOT "dressing them down.." but rather assisting them to be more successful in their job. Everybody wins....... You cannot beat good service and it must be a No. 1 priority in any business. Thanks for listening, Barbara At 07:16 AM 7/3/99 -0400, Mary wrote: >I'm tossing my $.02 worth into the discussion. Having owned 2 hair salons, I >learned something very interesting from a national focus group, which I >repeated using random clients' opinions in my own salon. I did this because >I doubted its accuracy. > >These are the top 4 reasons clients return to a salon. >1. They are greeted at the front desk by name. >2. Their stylist has a very good knowledge of hair products and recommends >the correct ones. >3. There is harmony among stylists, and they felt they could change stylists >without hurt feelings. >4. A good haircut. >I have to also add that our prices were at the top end locally. As >particular as women are about their hair, THATcame in 4th, and the top two >reasons were simply good service. >I believe if I went to Howard's shop, for example, and he charged $.50 for >flux brushes, BUT he always remembered me, asked me about work we had >discussed before, and showed a true interest in me, I couldn't care less >about the price. Having said that, I don't mean to imply that I would ignore >it if his pricing was way above the average, but I guarantee you I would go >out of my way to use his store as much as possible, due to his good service. >Lastly, as a general rule in retail, the normal markup is 100%. If a bottle >of shampoo cost me 4.50, I sold it for 9.00. On certain items that cost me >inordinate shipping, "green" fees, etc, I added a bit to that amount. >To be left waiting at a counter while the employee was chatting on the >phone, in my opinion, is a major no-no. >OK.. back to that darn soldering iron. I WILL get it downpat one of these >days. >Happy 4th... >I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell >me to wait. > Thanks... Mary > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 07:42:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 06:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!iluvscotties From: Scottie Lover To: "Mary" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Retail business in general Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 09:34:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4.1.19990703092320.00942e80@pop.mindspring.com> References: <<1999Jul3.3162.0>> Precedence: bulk At 07:16 AM 7/3/99 , Mary wrote: >These are the top 4 reasons clients return to a salon. >1. They are greeted at the front desk by name. >2. Their stylist has a very good knowledge of hair products and recommends >the correct ones. >3. There is harmony among stylists, and they felt they could change stylists >without hurt feelings. >4. A good haircut. I fully agree about the service. When I worked in Greenwich Village, there was an outstanding mystery bookstore nearby (Foul Play). The manager was unbelievable ... He was an avid reader, _AND_ paid careful attention to his customers' opinions. This enabled him to provide phenomenal feedback about different books, and to help make choices for books being given as gifts. (Several times, he'd see me picking up something, and would call over, "No! That's much too violent for you; you wouldn't care for that one" -- because he knew that I hated violence.) Although I spent a fortune there, I also saved a fortune, since his help prevented me from wasting my money on books I wouldn't have enjoyed. Even with Amazon's discounts, I would very happily continue shopping at Foul Play if it were still in my area. Conversely, when my office moved back to Rockefeller Center, I was too far from the Village to continue shopping at Foul Play, so tried The Mysterious Bookshop (which was right next door to my favorite restaurant, Topaz). As I stood there balancing about thirty paperbacks, I was completely ignored. When someone finally deigned to wait on me, he was exceedingly rude. I gave that shop one more try (same experience), and never returned -- despite the fact that I still loved mysteries, worked in the vicinity, and was right next door eating on a regular basis. For folks like me, service and quality are of prime importance -- so, when you're talking about identical items, service is first and foremost. Price is obviously an issue -- but many of us refuse to endure shoddy service just to get a bargain, and many of us feel that we need extra help/ guidance, and that additional cost is well worthwhile. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 07:54:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 06:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:33:58 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul3.133358.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/3/99 1:32:07 AM, S-Perchelli@webtv.net writes: >Well.....FYI...I respect my retailer. He not only helps me with all my >questions but also is there to explain everything. Is he making a profit >on his supplies?...I would hope so. Same goes for the main SG retailer in my area, who carries anything and everything (or can order it in pretty quickly if she doesn't have it on hand). More expensive than mail order? Sure. But every time I walk in there I learn a new trick to make the job easier. And she's a terrific person to deal with. Occasionally I've even been able to go pick something up there when she's officially "closed" but is in the shop doing paperwork or whatever. So I don't fret over the extra few bucks (or the half-hour drive to get there) at all - the truly great service she gives is well worth it. p.s. She's also been known to throw in a free flux brush or two with your order :-) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 09:00:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:46:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Weeping Willow Leaves.... Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 07:37:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.03734.0> References: <<1999Jul1.172222.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi all... When I need something that will give me the equivalent texture of something in life that would have hundreds/thousands of teesy-tiny lives, (such as pine needles) I turn to Uroboros Streaky Ripple Glass... There are two Green/White streaky varieties...lighter and darker. Another variety of this glass is very dark with black streamers in it. This stuff is a great substitute for tiny pieces....you get the same feel from the color striations and the heavily ripples texture. Regards, Cheryl Ryder Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > The thread on patterns is of special interest as I'm attempting to turn a > > > picture I found into a Stained glass picture. My problem is how to deal > > > with the tree in the picture-it's probably a weeping willow-all those little > > > pointed pieces of glass are giving me nightmares-I'm sure the glass will get > > > lost in solder. > > Maybe you can find that perfect art glass that can do alot of the work > for you and minimize the number of peices needed.... > > try looking at the pic of the tree...blurring your eyes... dont focus > on the leaves, but the shading and textures... > > Just a thought. > > T Suz > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 09:24:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: working on website Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 07:42:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.0423.0> References: <<1999Jul1.35619.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi - Re image processing for the web. I was asking our webmistress at work what she uses to process *.bmp scan files into *.jpg or *.jif or other small-memory-sized web-ready picture files, and she uses two software packages depending on her application, both are Microsoft products. 1) Microsoft Front Page 2) Microsoft Publisher She also said that many scanners have as part of their accompanying software the capability to save scans in *.jpg or *.jif format. I hope this helps.. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Tim & Adriana Atwood wrote: > Have fun scanning the glass images. > > Photoshop is a great tool and you can usually use it to correct for many of > the deficiencies you will probably find in the straight scans of glass > pictures. For some reason glass seems to be particularly difficult to get > the depth and richness to come through on the photo/scan. > > One note though: Photoshop is particularly bad at optimizing the digital > images for the Web. On the Internet it is very important to have small > files which will download before people give up. Doing this yet still > having the richness and color is something Photoshop just plain will not do > well. > > Instead Adobe chose to put these Web image functions into the standalone > tool ImageReady. However, at $300-400 I think ImageReady is way overpriced > for what you get. > > You can get most of the functionality you need with Photoshop compatible > Plug-Ins available for the $35-100 range. Send me a note if you want my > evaluation of the seven or eight web image optimization Plug-Ins I tested > and which I chose. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claudette Jaramillo > To: Bungi > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:03 PM > Subject: working on website > > >The local community college where I teach part time, just gave me some > space > >on their server. So I am gathering pictures of glass (I now wish I had > >taken pictures before I gave projects as presents.) My son gave me Adobe > >PageMill with Adobe Photoshop. I already had a scanner. So, I haven't a > >clue how to do this, but I am told, it is not that hard. (and then they > >laughed!) > > > >I am kinda excited...it feels the same as the feeling I got when I > purchased > >my first cellular phone and talked on the phone while driving (I know, I > >know), or when I learned to do animation on a computer. Who would have > >thunk, I could do this ?! Damn, but the nineties have been full of > >electronic surprises! > > > >I will write after the weekend, if this thing flies...or maybe I'll write > by > >Christmas, if it doesn't. claudette > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 09:34:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:12:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: S.G on TV Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 08:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.1222.0> References: <<1999Jun30.23747.0>> Precedence: bulk Yup, caught it about a month ago...I'm glad HGTV has aired it again. It was a high-class statement about SG Art. -Cheryl rrk wrote: > RCall10713@cs.com wrote: > > > Any of catch the stained glass segment last night on HGTV's "Modern Masters" > > series? I only saw the last half, but the artist, I think it was Ann Wolff? > > has a great studio, a super positive attitude, and the pieces showcased for a > > residential installation, were very nice indeed. HGTV is one of the few > > things we watch anymore, and I know that they sometimes repeat shows, This > > segment was imho, very positive for stained glass, as should be seen, in > > fact, for those of you who retail, of maintain an active showroom, it might > > be a great piece to record and have running (with permission, of course) > > Richard, > > I just checked HGTV's lineup through next Sunday ... we have TCI's "digital" TV > ... and saw nothing for "Modern Masters". Is this the actual name of the > program? Or is it a segment of another program? > > I don't watch HGTV as a matter of course ... Does HGTV have regular features on > stained glass? > > Regards ...... Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 09:41:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Retail business in general Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 08:31:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.13126.0> References: <<1999Jul3.3162.0>> Precedence: bulk EXACTLY RIGHT !! I've visited some of the larger SG purveyors in the SF Bay Area...and been treated with disdain, neglect, and outright rudeness. That's why I keep returning to my favorite place, "I Love Stained Glass Shoppe" in Hayward, CA. P.S. I'm a student there, not an employee, nor paid for advertising. It's my "little kid inside" saying "this is a neat place...come and play." The owner says "Stained Glass Makes You Happy"...and it's TRUE ! Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Mary wrote: > I'm tossing my $.02 worth into the discussion. Having owned 2 hair salons, I > learned something very interesting from a national focus group, which I > repeated using random clients' opinions in my own salon. I did this because > I doubted its accuracy. > > These are the top 4 reasons clients return to a salon. > 1. They are greeted at the front desk by name. > 2. Their stylist has a very good knowledge of hair products and recommends > the correct ones. > 3. There is harmony among stylists, and they felt they could change stylists > without hurt feelings. > 4. A good haircut. > I have to also add that our prices were at the top end locally. As > particular as women are about their hair, THATcame in 4th, and the top two > reasons were simply good service. > I believe if I went to Howard's shop, for example, and he charged $.50 for > flux brushes, BUT he always remembered me, asked me about work we had > discussed before, and showed a true interest in me, I couldn't care less > about the price. Having said that, I don't mean to imply that I would ignore > it if his pricing was way above the average, but I guarantee you I would go > out of my way to use his store as much as possible, due to his good service. > Lastly, as a general rule in retail, the normal markup is 100%. If a bottle > of shampoo cost me 4.50, I sold it for 9.00. On certain items that cost me > inordinate shipping, "green" fees, etc, I added a bit to that amount. > To be left waiting at a counter while the employee was chatting on the > phone, in my opinion, is a major no-no. > OK.. back to that darn soldering iron. I WILL get it downpat one of these > days. > Happy 4th... > I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell > me to wait. > Thanks... Mary > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 09:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Art Deco Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 11:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.72122.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you for the ideas, all of you. The vague images I had in mind seem to be inspired mostly by the paintings for Georges LePape and other artists who did illustrations for Vogue in the 20's. Straight, narrow dresses (naturally), long fur-trimmed coats, high collars, women with long necks, cloche hats. The image is starting to become clearer, but the background is still fuzzy. Maybe a vanity with a low, round mirror... All because I have a black frame I want to fill. Dorothy (who's heading to Vermont for the weekend, where the forecast was for only 85-90 instead of 95-100!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 10:04:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:31:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: nuggets-Arlene Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:54:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.45442.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for telling me about putting them in the kiln. I have fired nuggets before as part of a project, I should have put two and two together...Duh, I have been told more that once by my husband, I have no gift for the obvious. thanks cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 11:00:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Retail business in general Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:33:57 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul3.163357.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/3/99 10:31:13 AM, bjs10@cornell.edu writes: > I agree with Mary..... and to support that the customer will positively >respond to hearing his name..... [...] > > I learned early on that my best defense was to learn my customers names >and use them as often as possible. Maybe I'm just weird, or maybe I have a complex from having grown up with a first name I hated and a last name that no one seemed to be able to pronounce, but it's *not* true that "everyone's favorite sound is the sound of their own name." Some people (myself included) are even a little tiny bit "superstitious" about it (although that's too strong a word and not quite the right word); there's a social power and sometimes even a presumption of familiarity in how we use people's names, and some of us are very uncomfortable with that. (I should also add that I'm so bad with names and faces that I often don't recognize people I know fairly well when I see them in an unfamiliar setting - when I see someone from church in the grocery store, f'rinstance.) It often seems to me that people who insist on calling me by name in the course of business, especially when I'm the only person they're talking to, are trying to get to me somehow or are unsure that they have my attention. The worst is when they can't stop doing it. Calling someone by name every other sentence is something you do to your kids, not to intelligent adults, and as such it can be a form of talking down to people. I've actually gotten aggravated enough on occasion to start counting and interrupt with, "Excuse me, but I *know* my name, and you already have my attention. There's no need to call me by name 10 times in 5 minutes." IMO, a single "Hey, Sparks, how ya doin'?" or whatever when I walk in the door is enough. Anonymous :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 11:12:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: meryder@pacbell.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: working on website Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 11:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.65330.0> References: <<1999Jul3.0423.0>> Precedence: bulk > Hi - > > Re image processing for the web. I was asking our webmistress at work what she > uses > to process *.bmp scan files into *.jpg or *.jif or other small-memory-sized > web-ready > picture files, and she uses two software packages depending on her application, > both are Microsoft products. > > 1) Microsoft Front Page > 2) Microsoft Publisher > > She also said that many scanners have as part of their accompanying software > the capability to save scans in *.jpg or *.jif format. > > I hope this helps.. > > Best regards, > Cheryl Ryder > I use Adobe's photo deluxe when I scan, and to convert to .jpg or .gif, but use LView Pro to reduce the number of colors to help get the file size down. You can download LView Pro free to use for a limited time period. Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 11:27:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:14:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Family Account" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Art Deco Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.71519.0> Precedence: bulk I think I saw a pattern in "Going for Baroque" with a woman in front of a mirror.... kind of art Deco. -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 11:57 AM Subject: Art Deco >Thank you for the ideas, all of you. >The vague images I had in mind seem to be inspired mostly by the >paintings for Georges LePape and other artists who did illustrations for >Vogue in the 20's. >Straight, narrow dresses (naturally), long fur-trimmed coats, high >collars, women with long necks, cloche hats. The image is starting to >become clearer, but the background is still fuzzy. Maybe a vanity with >a low, round mirror... >All because I have a black frame I want to fill. > >Dorothy (who's heading to Vermont for the weekend, where the forecast >was for only 85-90 instead of 95-100!) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 11:33:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:26:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: NG website update Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:26:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.3264.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I have updated the website galleries, to include a new member's projects, "Mary". Also, for those who mentioned the slow loading of the buttons, we now use one button graphic for the background of the table data cells, and a text link on top of that. So if you have graphics turned off, you can still get to the galleries, although you will not see the images with out graphics turned on,,, ;-) Hey how about some of you beader's joining, would love to see some company for Debbie, Jerri, and Joan. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/index.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 13:02:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:07:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio-Mary Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:31:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.7318.0> Precedence: bulk My mother's family has lived in Jacksonville, Florida for 4 to 5 generations. One of the bridges there is named for one of my great uncles. My Aunt's family were all homesteaders in Jacksonville (Pickets), and still own part of the land grant on the north side. Most of my relatives worked for the railroad. But when the railroad went down, most of my mother's family moved away. My mother's only brother, Claude R. Weeks, still lives in Switzerland. I was there in September 1998. I will be going back in a couple of years for my uncle's 50th wedding aniversary. God gave all the artistic talent to others in my family. But my father took us to every major art exhibit when we were children. I developed an appreciation for art, and a real sense of self and what I like because of him. So I am glad to hear you know what a gift you have. I have always wished for more of it! I also wish I could sing...or well. cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 13:25:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Retail business in general Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:13:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.51343.0> References: <<1999Jul3.163357.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > sometimes even a presumption of > familiarity in how we use people's names, and some of us are very > uncomfortable with that. interesting you say that Sparks....tied in with the same "have a nice day" mentality is the OVERUSE of peoples names....I think the people who seem to appreciate the use of hteir name the most are people in some hobby related business where the customer and salesperson already have some common ground....ditto the hairdresser...I used to drive an hour to go to a friend who took customer surveys, gave you drinks while you waited AND did great haircuts at the same time....I think since its already sort of intimate having someone touching your head or your nails or whatever its OK in that environment. But what pisses me off is when my bank, or car dealer or worse, some unknown phone soliciter gets all chummy with me because they have read somewhere that people are so vain that they will preen all over and drop their wallets like pee wee herman drops his pants just because some market researcher has uncovered a few facts about them....I guess it is a matter of "does this person really care" (which in a stained glass shop or a bookstore or whatever the person probably really DOES care and enjoy chatting with those of like interests) vs. some market researcher who is just being all phony to separate me from as much money as possible. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 13:50:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:26:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Soraya Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop and other aggravating customer service Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:02:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.5242.0> References: <<001c01bec51b$88d98c20$abfbfea9@justice>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Soraya wrote: > > >>my current pet peeve is a number of local businesses who have taken to > >>saying "its a wonderful day at _______" > > You have got that right. My car dealer does that....one day I asked the > poor girl on the phone if it really was that great of a day there....she > said no. > > I have also complained up to and including the owner that I found it phoney > and annoying and even though I have bought three new cars from the place I > might not the next time...because of having to listen to that whenI call for > service.....doubt it did any good. > > Soraya must be a trend with car dealers becasue that is specifically the business I was thinking of...that and a local realtor...and now a bunch of others seem to have picked it up...I actually said to the girl that if someone had had a particularly horrible day...you know...death and such like that or somethign comparable..how upsetting that could be....and she just chirped at me that "she was just doing her job" and added that SHE'S happy....I tell ya...if they didnt do such a good job on my truck I'd go elsewhere but they are probably all chirpy there too...sigh.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 14:27:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Claudette Jaramillo" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG Web Graphics Compression Evaluation (was: Re: websites-Tim) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:14:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.61455.0> Precedence: bulk For the two most common web graphics formats, the compression techniques are different: GIF - 1) Reduce the number of colours, preferably to the web safe color pallet. 2) Dither remaining colors so the combinations still look good to the eye. I evaluated GIF packages using the various banner logos you can see on the Holtenwood web pages. The Holtenwood trees were especially hard to compress. The colours were mainly in the purple ranges. The web safe colour pallet is lacking in large sections of the "lilac" range of colours. Purple has a tendency to be dithered by compression engines into blue and red pixels. However, the human eye tends to see the red dots as floating above and flickering next to the blue. In other words this simple dithering technique does not look good for purple. JPEG - 1) Pre-filtering to soften detail the monitor can not display or the eye can not see. 2) "Q-Table" selection for maximum compression with minimal "artifacts" (that funny squiggly stuff you see near sharp edges in compressed jpegs). I evaluated JPEG packages using the various photos on the Holtenwood web site. Stained glass is particularly difficult for jpeg compression. It tends to have fields of colour with some sections smooth yet others highly textured. This makes it very hard for a compression engine to choose an appropriate Q-table. Stained glass also has hard lines (came or foil) between areas of colour. This makes the images extremely prone to artifacts when compressed. Compression engines were all that I looked at. I already had GIF animation and 3-D software so I evaluated packages with these bundled in based only on the compression engines. I did not evaluate PNG format as it does not seem the tools nor the browsers are up to really using it yet. I mostly evaluated Adobe compatible plug-ins (which also work in many other graphics packages). All are available for purchase online. Most have evaluation copies available for a limited time or limited use. I ended up with the Digital Frontiers HVS tools http://www.digfrontiers.com/ ): HVS ColorGIF 2.0 - $45 US HVS JPEG 2.0- $45 US Bundles with animation and other tools available at other prices. HVS ColorGIF 2.0 - This is where the Digital Frontiers HVS (Human Visual System) colour reduction engine really did the job. It is what sold me on the package. The concept here is that the human eye is more sensitive to some colour ranges than others. In extremely dark or extremely light areas you can get by with much fewer colours and the eye won't notice. The human eye is also much less sensitive to variations in the red ranges. The HVS system also seems to have intelligence about contrasting colours such as red an blue mentioned above. Most other GIF compression engines choose dither colours purely mathematically based on the average of the numeric value of the colour. The selection of dithering techniques was good. The batch processing where the same colour reduction can be applied to an entire set of images is great if you are doing web pages with multiple graphics on the same page. Minor complaints: The preview window is too small and can not be zoomed. Some difficulty switching back and forth from web-safe colour palette and other palettes - often requires selecting new palette twice. Something weird with transparent colour choices - sometime reverts to previous transparent selection when changing other values. HVS JPEG 2.0 The prefiltering was easy to use and seemed to offer a good range of control. The prefiltering did an above average job of leaving sharp edges while still removing unneeded detail. Excellent selection of pre-designed Q-Tables. The "Textured Image" Q-table was especially good for most stained glass and resulted in excellent compression ratios with minor artifacts (at 60 to 80% quality setting). Minor complaints: The preview window is too small and can not be zoomed (though it does scroll). The estimated compression numbers are based only on what is showing in the preview window and not the whole graphic. Since you are usually viewing the most troublesome part of the picture, the estimated compression is often way off. The "Optimized" Q-table was rarely the best choice for Q-table selection. (I think the "Optimize" decision algorithm was being based on only what was shown in the preview window and therefore made poor choices for the rest of the image). Other packages I looked at: SPG Web Tools: - $99 US: A pile of stuff included in this bundle, but since I was only looking at web compression I did not pay attention to the rest of it. Who knows, some of it may be great. The GIF saver allows selection of palettes including web safe colours. However did not seem to have intelligent colour choosing, non-dithered hybrid colours, or good dithering techniques. The JPEG cleaner was excellent. But I felt that in only rare cases would it produce better results than the HVS pre-filter. Q-table selection about average. WebVise Totality (Auto F/X) $116 - 129 US Looked great visually. I think if you were a graphics designer you would be impressed just by the look of it. But truth is, I found it hard to use. It was hard to find the controls amongst all the cool graphics. Too many controls - much of these controls are probably already built into your graphics package and I think this is the better place to fiddle with some of this stuff. The sliders were difficult to control accurately. For example, if I accidentally touched the "Size" slider it seemed almost impossible to get it back to zero so the size of my picture was not changed. Auto F/X GIF: Good choice of palettes. The web adaptive palette seemed like a good idea but it did not really come up with better results on my test graphics. A lot of the controls sounded great from the help description, but hey - I could not really get them to do what the description implied. Auto F/X JPEG: Could not even figure out what they were using for Q-tables. What some of the sliders were doing was beyond me. Perhaps if I knew the math or image theory behind Q-tables I could make intelligent decisions about these things. But at my level of graphics knowledge I want a tool that makes a few more decisions for me. Boxtop Software: Photo GIF $69.95 US Image Vice $49.95 US Photo GIF: Loved the side by side original to compressed image comparison. Very limited dithering options though. I found it difficult to figure out how the various palette and "Base" combinations worked, but after I figured it out it ended up with about the same selections as the HVS tools (though I think the "Base" idea is meant to be similar to the Auto F/X web adaptive palette). Image Vice: I think you need a course in jpeg compression to know what these controls are doing. What the heck is "velocity" in a jpeg anyway? What is clipping and why does it have two sliders and how do these two sliders work together? "Huh?" was all I could say. ULead Web Utilities: I wish I could have evaluated these. Based on other reviews they are quite good. But after two days trying to download from their totally screwed up FTP sites and then having their v-box stuff blow up when I finally tried to install a good copy, I just plain gave up. They staunchly refused to help with the download and installation of evaluation copies even though it was clearly a bug on their end. So they lost the potential sale. Maybe the stuff is not really that good so they don't want you to evaluate it first anyway.... -----Original Message----- From: Claudette Jaramillo To: Bungi Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 9:13 PM Subject: websites-Tim >Please send me your evaluation...also if you know if I can buy these over >the net...I live in the wild, wild west, and it is far to the nearest >computer store. I do most of my shopping via the net. Two more electronic >miracles, shopping on the net and the debit card! cj > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 15:13:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Retail business in general Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 16:21:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990703162107.006a3ef8@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1999Jul3.163357.0>> Precedence: bulk "Hey, Sparks, how ya doin'?" Is exactly what I do............ During a meal I have about 500 customers and try to say "hello, hi, hey", by name, to as many as I can. And it works for me...... I used to be bad with names and faces, but once I started making it a point to remember names, etc... it has become easier. Just like everything else.... practice, practice, practice. And trust me on this one...... if I ever seem to be talking "down" to my customers...... Cornell students (presumed assumption of intelligence here) would surely let me know it. When it comes to people, nothing is 100% but in my own personal experience...... it is a good thing. And judging from the number of cards we get from graduating seniors.... and visits from alum, I think I will stick with it. Not to mention the personal benefits that I have gotten out of getting to know a number of very fine young people. Something I am very glad I did not miss. Some have even taken enough of an interest to talk glass !! Barbara At 12:33 PM 7/3/99 EDT, Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 7/3/99 10:31:13 AM, bjs10@cornell.edu writes: > >> I agree with Mary..... and to support that the customer will >positively >>respond to hearing his name..... [...] >> >> I learned early on that my best defense was to learn my customers >names >>and use them as often as possible. > >Maybe I'm just weird, or maybe I have a complex from having grown up with a >first name I hated and a last name that no one seemed to be able to >pronounce, but it's *not* true that "everyone's favorite sound is the sound >of their own name." Some people (myself included) are even a little tiny bit >"superstitious" about it (although that's too strong a word and not quite the >right word); there's a social power and sometimes even a presumption of >familiarity in how we use people's names, and some of us are very >uncomfortable with that. (I should also add that I'm so bad with names and >faces that I often don't recognize people I know fairly well when I see them >in an unfamiliar setting - when I see someone from church in the grocery >store, f'rinstance.) > >It often seems to me that people who insist on calling me by name in the >course of business, especially when I'm the only person they're talking to, >are trying to get to me somehow or are unsure that they have my attention. > >The worst is when they can't stop doing it. Calling someone by name every >other sentence is something you do to your kids, not to intelligent adults, >and as such it can be a form of talking down to people. I've actually gotten >aggravated enough on occasion to start counting and interrupt with, "Excuse >me, but I *know* my name, and you already have my attention. There's no need >to call me by name 10 times in 5 minutes." > >IMO, a single "Hey, Sparks, how ya doin'?" or whatever when I walk in the >door is enough. > > >Anonymous :-) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 16:11:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: HEADS UP RE: ETOUR AND ELISABETH'S VISIT Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:57:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199907032157.OAA05453@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all...here's the latest scoop for those of you planning to meet Elisabeth this summer while she's on tour. The time is fast approaching and man, is Elisabeth ever excited. We've had her tickets purchased and she's starting to pack her bags of tools. There's a great SURPRISE in store for people who will be attending her workshops too, as well as FREE GIFTS of tools handmade by her students back in England. Elisabeth's vision for this trip has been to improve communication and closeness amongst glass artists across the Atlantic, so her students have had a part in helping her get ready. For folk planning on meeting her at Glass Visions, please know she will be there as a guest only, so this is a great way to meet her socially. At Warner Crivallero's request she will not be doing any teaching or workshops at this event. We want to be really clear on this in advance so no one is disappointed...if you want to do hands on with her, register for a workshop regardless of whether you're attending Glass Visions or not. On the other hand, if you want to see her at work and get into technical hands on stuff with her, to learn or improve your lead came technique the only way to do this is to register for one of her weekend workshops. It's time to register NOW. Spaces are filling up and at least one workshop is almost full. So here's an overview of where she'll be and when. Since each host studio is taking their own registrations, complete contact information for registering for these workshops is on our web page at http://come.to/The_E-Tour August 14-15 Meredith STudios, Maryland August 21-22 Meredith STudios, Maryland * Note: For people who really want to spend time working with Elisabeth, she's offering a 10% discount on the second weekend if you want to attend both workshops at Meredith Studios! August 28 weekend: Elisabeth will be a social guest only at Glass Visions, Warner Crivallero Store, Allentown, Pa. September 11-12: Kansas City September 18-19: Seattle at Northwest Art Glass September 25-26: Florida, location TBA. Please email Lenore at if you're interested in attending. (Yegnim@aol.com) That's all folks...except make your plans and register NOW! Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 16:44:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Web Graphics Compression Evaluation (was: Re: websites-T Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:38:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.83827.0> Precedence: bulk Of course I use Paint Shop Pro 5. But it does not have web compression itself. Since I was evaluating Adobe compatible plug-ins, these work in Paint Shop Pro 5 great and I use them just as often from there. In fact, I don't actually have Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator (I don't have a spare grand to throw down the tube). I actually use a combination of Adobe PhotoDeluxe which came free with my scanner and Jasc's Paint Shop Pro 5. Then when I need something more I get a fairly cheap (or sometimes free) plug-in. -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 3:15 PM Subject: Re: NG Web Graphics Compression Evaluation (was: Re: websites-T >Gee, Tim, no PaintShop Pro? http://www.jasc.com > >If Photoshop's my right hand, PSP's my left. No question. > >Albert > >Albert Lewis >AllDesignCom.com | Design & Communications >__________________________________________ >54 Cherry Street North Adams MA 01247 >413 663-7946 Fax: 413 663-7167 > http://www.alldesigncom.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 17:34:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "EastGateXX@msn.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:39:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.153924.0> References: <<1999Jul2.20570.0>> Precedence: bulk Wow, who knew that a sly, little, tongue (firmly, eh Albert?...Mikey) in cheek joke about the price of flux brushes would finally stir up some worthwhile, intelligent and insightful (cool, alliteration, huh...) comments. Way to go Linda Sue and Eastgate... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: EastGateXX@msn.com To: Bungi Sent: July 3, 1999 6:57 AM Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! > >>Well.....FYI...I respect my retailer. He not only helps me with all my > questions but also is there to explain everything. Is he making a profit > on his supplies?...I would hope so(...) I think no matter what the price > was...you'd still complain. > > Sue > > Ditto! Well said Sue... > > I can't say it better than Sue did. I can just "second that emotion". > > Further, There isn't a time, not ONE MINUTE, when I go into my local > supplier that I don't get hundreds of dollars worth of > advice/counsel/encouragement/training/education/and fun. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 3 18:32:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com, glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Im gettin' hot! YEEEEEHA! Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 19:37:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul3.143747.0> Precedence: bulk Did I tell y'all Im getting a torch~? :o) Well I am. One of those really great people that doesnt want their name mentioned...for fear that other people will know what a neat person they are..... Guess what? All of us already **know** YOU ARE...naner naner naner! ;o) Im soooooooooooo excited! :o) My husband is shaaaaaaaking worried what I will need to buy now! lol... hahahahhahaha...Did I say how excited I am???? I keep saying, "I need to get..." and he says "What you need is to make some money.." Well...my soldering iron is hot.. ;o) Tulsa Suzanne....soon to be a true hothead! ;o) -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 4 02:33:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Water-jet glass cutting Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 03:48:02 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul4.11482.0> Precedence: bulk Folks There was a discussion a few months ago about waterjet cutting. I found this article of the subject that makes good reading. http://www.artglassworld.com/ Enjoy. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 4 09:45:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: telebot.com!debbiesgarden From: Debbie Tenhoff To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Blown glass ornaments Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:08:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul4.8856.0> Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me a brief description on making blown glass ornaments using a blow torch? Names of suppliers? What basic tools are needed? Is there any good books on the subject? Thank you in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 4 12:51:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:04:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Holtenwood Web Site Up Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:02:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul4.5241.0> Precedence: bulk My ISP is having problems. They are working on it tonight. Until they figure out what is wrong, my site can not be accessed. Sorry about that. -----Original Message----- From: TLOakes@aol.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 4:39 PM Subject: Re: Holtenwood Web Site Up >Hello Tim, > I tried accessing your web site and couldn't. I am on AOL so that might >be the problem? let me know if there are any tricks that I must use to get >there? Have a great day, Terry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 4 13:45:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:44:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop and other aggravating customer service Date: Sun, 04 Jul 99 01:37:37 Message-ID: <199907041944.NAA06506@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:02:28 -0700, Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: >my current pet peeve is a number of local businesses who have taken to >saying "its a wonderful day at _______" I always feel like saying, yah, >my favorite aunt just died, I found out I have a terminal illness and my >dog got run over, yeah, wonderful day, RIGHT.......it irritates me NO >END...when a simple "you've reached ______, how can we direct your >call?" would be much much more appropriate. While no one likes >rudeness, the other extreme is just as aggravating IMHO. > > >Liz yeah, this one hit home... a year ago now, my only living brother shot up some heroin and died right then of an overdose. last Jan 29th, my very drunk mother stepped in front of a very slow moving car and was killed instantly. I've had trouble staying employed because of the thin engineering job world. I have a disabling illness. So, all these are true. I've been trying hard not to take my grieving out on people around me.. and usually do well. Except then I get *lectures* from people on how to become more interested in sports so I'll lose weight, or that I should smile a lot more, or that I seem to be a depressed person... the list could go on. I decided I'd finally just tell them, and then they leave me alone. Only a few wonderful people look at me, and give me real comfort. And they are jewels! I tell you all this, not for sympathy (for me), but for those out there who are quite possibly handling a heavy load.. remember to have compassion at all times.. just direct them so they can get on with their lives and jobs (sometimes I need to be gently pushed in the right direction.. ) Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 4 13:59:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Debbie Tenhoff Subject: Re: Blown glass ornaments Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:04:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199907042003.QAA04836@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Can anyone give me a brief description on making blown glass > ornaments using a blow torch? Names of suppliers? What basic tools > are needed? Is there any good books on the subject? Thank you in > advance. I just finished updating http://www.cdvkiln.com/ ... the web site of Centre DeVerre, an artist-run source for burners and torches. You can ask Marty Daily anything about torch work ... he'll *tell you! Albert Albert Lewis AllDesignCom.com | Design & Communications __________________________________________ 54 Cherry Street North Adams MA 01247 413 663-7946 Fax: 413 663-7167 http://www.alldesigncom.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 4 14:15:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Rickola@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass at the Gardens Date: Sun, 04 Jul 99 01:59:08 Message-ID: <199907042005.OAA07241@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Hey everyone, On this topic, goto: www2.privatei.com/~candy and see information on this year's show, and all I could glean on past shows, including photos ,,,, please forgive the photo part, I'm getting better.. and I'll be glad to answer any questions.. I'm putting another bit of info on by late this eve.. Candy On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:15:55 EDT, Rickola@aol.com wrote: >Denver's big glass event is coming up soon (end of July- early August at the >Denver Botanical Gardens). Can anybody who has been to this event in the past >describe it in some detail? Am looking forward to attending and seeing >quality work. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 4 16:13:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Candy Thurman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop and other aggravating customer service Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:50:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.7508.0> References: <<199907041944.NAA06506@mantis.privatei.com>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > a year ago now, my only living brother shot up some heroin and died right then of an > overdose. last Jan 29th, my very drunk mother stepped in front of a very slow moving > car and was killed instantly. I've had trouble staying employed because of the thin > engineering job world. I have a disabling illness. So, all these are true. I've been trying > hard not to take my grieving out on people around me.. and usually do well. Except > then I get *lectures* from people on how to become more interested in sports so I'll > lose weight, or that I should smile a lot more, or that I seem to be a depressed person... > the list could go on. > > I decided I'd finally just tell them, and then they leave me alone. Only a few wonderful > people look at me, and give me real comfort. And they are jewels! > I am so sorry to hear of your troubles....yes...I have had a fair share due to the addicts in my life too...not to mention dealing with my own depression and "stuff".....I think people who have not walked thru some really heavy stuff think its just a matter of "thinking positively" and "looking on the bright side" but they just have NOOOOO clue what it feels like to be sunk this deep....I suppose it is human nature to want to help someone rather than sitting by with nothing to offer but an "I am sorry" but a lot of these suggestions do nothing but show that the other person has obviously NOT been there....this really wasnt what I am talking about wtih these salespeople...they just think that if niceness makes sales then overdoing the niceness might make MORE sales...but a lot of people seem to always have some suggestion on how others could be getting over their depression better, coping with life better, raising their children better, doing this, doing that that of course everyone KNOWS that studies prove you should be doing it this way...etc etc etc..gosh I just wish it was a matter of snapping ones fingers and getting over it.....I have realized most of these folks really just dont know any better so I have toned down the smartass comments I used to make becasue it really DOESNT improve things and then people think you have an attitude on top of everything else..took me a long time to learn that one... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 4 19:14:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: embee@mediaone.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sending a photo Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:33:17 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul5.13317.0> Precedence: bulk Mary, If I can become a prodigy @ 52, you certainly can in your 40's, Well, I actually started in my 40's but really didn't achieve prodigy status 'till just recently. BTW, I just love the " went out to find myself", thank you very much. I plan to use that at the first opportunity, the next time someone asks me what I'm "up to" these days. Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 07:20:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 06:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Article on Tiffany Thefts Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:21:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul5.3217.0> Precedence: bulk Our Sunday edition of the Mpls. Star Tribune had an interesting article on the thefts of Tiffany originals. A copy of the article is available on the web for anybody interested. Go to http:///startribune.com Click on archives ( left side of page) Click on "search the current data base (bottom of page) Enter Stained Glass in the search box Click Search Check box titled "Tiffany Works in Obscure Places, July 4, 99. Access to the article is free from the data base for 3 weeks. Sue Reitmann (Mpls.,MN) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 07:30:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 06:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Across the pond..... Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:18:39 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul5.131839.0> Precedence: bulk Well folks, I'm off on the Big Bird to London this evening. Gonna be there for a couple of days, then on to Salisbury and then the far southwest (Dartmouth). I'm not signing off bungi though - don't want to miss a thing! (My other half will be downloading my mail daily.) Still hoping to meet up with Elisabeth at some point...... So - all you fine folks out there behave yourselves while I'm gone........ I leave it up to you to decide whether you want to behave well or badly :-) and I'll catch up with y'all (see what happens when you work for somebody from the south?) when I get back! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 08:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass store in general Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:13:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul5.31339.0> Organization: stainedglassdesign.com Precedence: bulk I agree with everyone that said using a person's first name makes them feel welcome. I teach aerobics and I greet all my students my name. If I have a new student I welcome them personnally and find out alittle about that person. I think this keeps my classes full, as well as, I make them sweat. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 12:55:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.62613.0> References: <<1999Jul1.93520.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk rrk wrote: > > Hello Debbie. This is not a flame ... but some things in > your email bear > correcting. This might seem like a flame, but believe me > this is not. I > reserve that for special and very rare occasions (which this > is not), like when > someone attacks me and I stand to lose something. > > daver!one.net!kleeman@earthlink.net wrote: > > > i don't know if this is correct or not, > > it is not correct > > > but the when i asked the computer nerd i live with about this (he is a > > programmer) > > So what? I do computer programming too, as do other people > on this list (at > least one that I'm certain of). What experience does he > have with legal > matters? I have quite a bit. Most of the programmers I > know wouldn't know a > whereof from a therein . Besides that ... I not only > know how to read > the English language but I speak of what I know and have > verified before I give > an opinion on a legal issue. Why don't you print out the > following excerpt from > the Yahoo TOS in question (now apparently changed in some > minor details), which > he evidently never read (or didn't understand) before he > gave the opinion you > quoted him on, and see if he doesn't change his mind. I'll > bet he DOES change > his mind once he READS the TOS in question. > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > 8. CONTENT SUBMITTED TO YAHOO > > By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you > automatically grant, or warrant that the owner of > such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the > royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive > and fully sublicensable right and license to use, > reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, > create derivative works from, distribute, perform > and display such Content (in whole or part) > worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works > in any form, media, or technology now known or > later developed. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued-- > > The above is NOT a "disclaimer" ... sorry. It SPECIFICALLY > lays claims to any > and all works placed on their servers. > > That *may* have been Yahoo's ORIGINAL intent. But their > *intent* is something > known only to the Master of the Universe. What counts, is > what they WROTE. > > In law, the only thing that counts is what is in black and > white and signed. > What the Yahoo TOS SAYS, in black and white, is that THEY > can do ANYTHING THEY > WANT with ANYTHING you put on their server *if* you > expressly agree to it. THAT > is what counts. > > OK? > > You do not have to be an attorney to figure that one out. > > > for example, if someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue > > yahoo for copyright infringement--- > > If that were their intent ... then why doesn't their TOS say > so? Instead, their > TOS says something VERY different. > > > even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to > > protect themselves > > Unfortunately for this point of view, their TOS allows them > to do whatever they > want with any and all your works at their discretion ... > just a wee bit more > than "just trying to protect themselves". > > > now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was > > told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only > > my opinion > > Debbie ... when you (or anyone else) express an opinion in a > public forum, > particularly on a legal matter that affects a lot of people, > you must be > prepared to defend it. If you don't like that, then don't > express opinions. > There are (at last report) some 650+ people on this mailing > list ... this is a > public forum no matter how relaxed and laid back it may > seem. > > For example, look at Albert Lewis' writings and see how > carefully they are > worded. He's a good writer too. (That is an opinion I feel > confident no one > will disagree with.) It is clear that HE knows this is a > public forum. > > I bite my tongue quite often when tempted to express an > opinion in a public > forum on legal issues, politically charged issues, and/or > issues with religious > import, because such expression would require me to defend > said opinion and I > decide quite frequently its just not worth the effort. Most > people don't really > want to know anyone else's opinion in the first place and > simply get emotional > when you disagree with them even if they haven't actually > expressed their > opinion. For example, I completely disagree with the > idiotic opinion expressed > by that American ex-patriate living in Mexico. I have lived > in Mexico myself (a > summer) and returned many times since as well as Europe (12 > years) and visited > much of North, West and Central Africa, South America and > Asia (mostly for > teaching) so I have a right to an opinion on the subject. > Instead I chose not > to express an opinion on that subject. > > THIS issue (Yahoo/Geocities) is different and I chose to > speak up (a little) > because Mike Savaad, who has given a lot to the online > stained glass community, > is in a tight spot. > > Actually, if I were in Mike's shoes [HINT HINT HINT HINT > HINT], I'd shut down > the Geocities site and get a virtual server at OLM or > WEBAXXS. For $15/month > you get 400 MB of server storage (thats actually quite a > lot) and around 5 GB > transfer per month (thats a lot of GB's btw) + other stuff > I won't get into. > They're extremely reliable and the cheapest around. Not to > mention that THEY > get all the non-negligible hassles of running a server. > I've been using them > for some time now. Further, Geocities is a TERRIBLE outfit. > > OK ... way past time to go ..... regards to all > (particularly Debbie ) > ........ Bob > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah but then i'd have to pay for it. and since i'm not making any money i would'nt want to pay for it... got to the newsgroup alt.homepages.geocities there's been quite a bit of talk about this.... now i have re-write some of my site and upload it else where. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 14:54:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ftc-i.net!wordofhope From: wordofhope To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Please remove me Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 16:52:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul5.125219.0> Organization: Farmers Internet Precedence: bulk Dear Sirs; Please remove me from your E-mail list. Thank You Wordofhope ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 16:55:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vincent LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: make that "Win FRiends" Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:12:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul5.151233.0> Precedence: bulk Must be the heat! Required reading within one month after accepting employment with me are: 1. How to "WIN" Friends and Influence People. - Dale Carnegie. 2. Winning through Intimidation. - Robert J. Ringer Each are dangerous without the other. Ciao Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 18:55:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Mike and rrk (bob) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 17:38:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul5.103842.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Artists/MM LTD. Precedence: bulk Mike wrote: yeah but then i'd have to pay for it. and since i'm not making any money i wouldn't want to pay for it... got to the newsgroup alt.homepages.geocities there's been quite a bit of talk about this.... now i have re-write some of my site and upload it else where. ---Mike Savad Can't you just upload your site to home.net Mike? You should have free web page hosting through your ISP. When I started out I had Geocities too, then uploaded everything to pacifier who is my ISP, then uploaded again when I went virtual with Dreamhost. I left geocities because I couldn't sell anything for free and because of the banner ads. Not because I didn't like their service. Hello Debbie. This is not a flame ... but some things in > your email bear > correcting. This might seem like a flame, but believe me > this is not. I > reserve that for special and very rare occasions (which this > is not), like when > someone attacks me and I stand to lose something. Pam writes: Debatable in my opinion rrk goes on to say: In law, the only thing that counts is what is in black and > white and signed. > What the Yahoo TOS SAYS, in black and white, is that THEY > can do ANYTHING THEY > WANT with ANYTHING you put on their server *if* you > expressly agree to it. THAT > is what counts. > > OK? > > You do not have to be an attorney to figure that one out. Pam writes: Geocities/Yahoo is a community of people, millions of people who enjoy free web space. Those who wish to sell through geocities/Yahoo must pay for that privilege. The TOS is most likely a way to weed out the people who sell anything through geocities/Yahoo or remotely look like they are selling anything. This is also good for people with X-rated material who love to spam through geocities/Yahoo. Are they going to take Mikes work and do what they wish with it? No. Can they, sure. But I really believe this is a way for them to keep their business exactly where they want it and to control some of the people who radically abuse their system. This is a great measure that they have taken and I think it shows some serious business kahunas. If people don't like it, go somewhere else. There are thousands of free web space providers on the net. Geocities has always had a strict rule about that part of the service agreement. You sell, you pay. I know, Mike doesn't sell anything. Unfortunately for this point of view, their TOS allows them > to do whatever they > want with any and all your works at their discretion ... > just a wee bit more > than "just trying to protect themselves". > Pam wrote: If I owned geocities/Yahoo, it would be in my TOS too. I'm offering a free service to millions of people. Some of them not so great. If I've got some X-rated site, spamming thousands of people it would be pure joy to say "hey all of what you have on your site is mine, see ya" and put them out of business for awhile and make them go somewhere else. I personally have sent 13 emails to abuse@geocities.com because of X-rated spamming or spamming me in general. I think they are fed up with the bad people they have abusing their system. The TOS gives them control which is exactly what they should have. bob wrote: I bite my tongue quite often when tempted to express an > opinion in a public > forum on legal issues, politically charged issues, and/or > issues with religious > import, because such expression would require me to defend > said opinion and I > decide quite frequently its just not worth the effort. Most > people don't really > want to know anyone else's opinion in the first place and > simply get emotional > when you disagree with them even if they haven't actually > expressed their > opinion. For example, I completely disagree with the > idiotic opinion expressed > by that American ex-patriate living in Mexico. I have lived > in Mexico myself (a > summer) and returned many times since as well as Europe (12 > years) and visited > much of North, West and Central Africa, South America and > Asia (mostly for > teaching) so I have a right to an opinion on the subject. > Instead I chose not > to express an opinion on that subject. > > THIS issue (Yahoo/Geocities) is different and I chose to > speak up (a little) > because Mike Savaad, who has given a lot to the online > stained glass community, > is in a tight spot. pam wrote: Mike's not in a tight spot. He can move his site no problem. I agree that Mike has had a large impact on the stained glass surfing community looking for info. But there are like I said thousands of free web site hosts. Moving a site is time consuming but not impossible and that is what geocities/Yahoo want people to do with their new TOS agreement. > > Actually, if I were in Mike's shoes [HINT HINT HINT HINT > HINT], I'd shut down > the Geocities site and get a virtual server at OLM or > WEBAXXS. For $15/month > you get 400 MB of server storage (thats actually quite a > lot) and around 5 GB > transfer per month (thats a lot of GB's btw) + other stuff > I won't get into. > They're extremely reliable and the cheapest around. Not to > mention that THEY > get all the non-negligible hassles of running a server. > I've been using them > for some time now. Further, Geocities is a TERRIBLE outfit. Find a free space Mike, you don't have to pay for one. Put a forwarding addy at geocities and direct people to your new site. And I will defend Geocities. I started out with them and learned alot about html while I was there. They provide an excellent online community for millions of people around the world for free. And they have been very good to Mike Savad in my opinion, how terrible is that? You get what you pay for. Sincerely, Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.stainedglassartists.com/MM_Ltd.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 19:55:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Mike and rrk (bob) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:15:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul5.181515.0> References: <<1999Jul5.103842.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > > Mike wrote: > > yeah but then i'd have to pay for it. and since i'm not making any money > > i wouldn't want to pay for it... got to the newsgroup > alt.homepages.geocities there's been quite a bit of talk about this.... > > now i have re-write some of my site and upload it else where. > > ---Mike Savad > > Can't you just upload your site to home.net Mike? You should have free > web page hosting through your ISP. When I started out I had Geocities > too, then uploaded everything to pacifier who is my ISP, then uploaded > again when I went virtual with Dreamhost. I left geocities because I > couldn't sell anything for free and because of the banner ads. Not > because I didn't like their service. > > Hello Debbie. This is not a flame ... but some things in > > your email bear > > correcting. This might seem like a flame, but believe me > > this is not. I > > reserve that for special and very rare occasions (which this > > is not), like when > > someone attacks me and I stand to lose something. > > Pam writes: Debatable in my opinion > > rrk goes on to say: > > In law, the only thing that counts is what is in black and > > white and signed. > > What the Yahoo TOS SAYS, in black and white, is that THEY > > can do ANYTHING THEY > > WANT with ANYTHING you put on their server *if* you > > expressly agree to it. THAT > > is what counts. > > > > OK? > > > > You do not have to be an attorney to figure that one out. > > Pam writes: Geocities/Yahoo is a community of people, millions of > people who enjoy free web space. Those who wish to sell through > geocities/Yahoo must pay for that privilege. The TOS is most likely a > way to weed out the people who sell anything through geocities/Yahoo or > remotely look like they are selling anything. This is also good for > people with X-rated material who love to spam through geocities/Yahoo. > Are they going to take Mikes work and do what they wish with it? No. Can > they, sure. But I really believe this is a way for them to keep their > business exactly where they want it and to control some of the people > who radically abuse their system. This is a great measure that they have > taken and I think it shows some serious business kahunas. If people > don't like it, go somewhere else. There are thousands of free web space > providers on the net. Geocities has always had a strict rule about that > part of the service agreement. You sell, you pay. I know, Mike doesn't > sell anything. > > Unfortunately for this point of view, their TOS allows them > > to do whatever they > > want with any and all your works at their discretion ... > > just a wee bit more > > than "just trying to protect themselves". > > > Pam wrote: If I owned geocities/Yahoo, it would be in my TOS too. I'm > offering a free service to millions of people. Some of them not so > great. If I've got some X-rated site, spamming thousands of people it > would be pure joy to say "hey all of what you have on your site is mine, > see ya" and put them out of business for awhile and make them go > somewhere else. I personally have sent 13 emails to abuse@geocities.com > because of X-rated spamming or spamming me in general. I think they are > fed up with the bad people they have abusing their system. The TOS gives > them control which is exactly what they should have. > > bob wrote: > > I bite my tongue quite often when tempted to express an > > opinion in a public > > forum on legal issues, politically charged issues, and/or > > issues with religious > > import, because such expression would require me to defend > > said opinion and I > > decide quite frequently its just not worth the effort. Most > > people don't really > > want to know anyone else's opinion in the first place and > > simply get emotional > > when you disagree with them even if they haven't actually > > expressed their > > opinion. For example, I completely disagree with the > > idiotic opinion expressed > > by that American ex-patriate living in Mexico. I have lived > > in Mexico myself (a > > summer) and returned many times since as well as Europe (12 > > years) and visited > > much of North, West and Central Africa, South America and > > Asia (mostly for > > teaching) so I have a right to an opinion on the subject. > > Instead I chose not > > to express an opinion on that subject. > > > > THIS issue (Yahoo/Geocities) is different and I chose to > > speak up (a little) > > because Mike Savaad, who has given a lot to the online > > stained glass community, > > is in a tight spot. > > pam wrote: Mike's not in a tight spot. He can move his site no problem. > I agree that Mike has had a large impact on the stained glass surfing > community looking for info. But there are like I said thousands of free > web site hosts. Moving a site is time consuming but not impossible and > that is what geocities/Yahoo want people to do with their new TOS > agreement. > > > > > Actually, if I were in Mike's shoes [HINT HINT HINT HINT > > HINT], I'd shut down > > the Geocities site and get a virtual server at OLM or > > WEBAXXS. For $15/month > > you get 400 MB of server storage (thats actually quite a > > lot) and around 5 GB > > transfer per month (thats a lot of GB's btw) + other stuff > > I won't get into. > > They're extremely reliable and the cheapest around. Not to > > mention that THEY > > get all the non-negligible hassles of running a server. > > I've been using them > > for some time now. Further, Geocities is a TERRIBLE outfit. > > Find a free space Mike, you don't have to pay for one. Put a forwarding > addy at geocities and direct people to your new site. And I will defend > Geocities. I started out with them and learned alot about html while I > was there. They provide an excellent online community for millions of > people around the world for free. And they have been very good to Mike > Savad in my opinion, how terrible is that? You get what you pay for. > > Sincerely, > > Pam > > -- > > Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan > Moswood Mountain Ltd. > http://www.stainedglassartists.com/MM_Ltd.htm > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'll stick it on my pile of ideas. i'm hoping yahoo will come to there senses, and fix it. this way i don't have to have myself updated from god only knows where... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 5 22:27:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.62613.0> References: <<1999Jul1.93520.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk rrk wrote: > > Hello Debbie. This is not a flame ... but some things in > your email bear > correcting. This might seem like a flame, but believe me > this is not. I > reserve that for special and very rare occasions (which this > is not), like when > someone attacks me and I stand to lose something. > > daver!one.net!kleeman@earthlink.net wrote: > > > i don't know if this is correct or not, > > it is not correct > > > but the when i asked the computer nerd i live with about this (he is a > > programmer) > > So what? I do computer programming too, as do other people > on this list (at > least one that I'm certain of). What experience does he > have with legal > matters? I have quite a bit. Most of the programmers I > know wouldn't know a > whereof from a therein . Besides that ... I not only > know how to read > the English language but I speak of what I know and have > verified before I give > an opinion on a legal issue. Why don't you print out the > following excerpt from > the Yahoo TOS in question (now apparently changed in some > minor details), which > he evidently never read (or didn't understand) before he > gave the opinion you > quoted him on, and see if he doesn't change his mind. I'll > bet he DOES change > his mind once he READS the TOS in question. > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > 8. CONTENT SUBMITTED TO YAHOO > > By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you > automatically grant, or warrant that the owner of > such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the > royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive > and fully sublicensable right and license to use, > reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, > create derivative works from, distribute, perform > and display such Content (in whole or part) > worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works > in any form, media, or technology now known or > later developed. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued-- > > The above is NOT a "disclaimer" ... sorry. It SPECIFICALLY > lays claims to any > and all works placed on their servers. > > That *may* have been Yahoo's ORIGINAL intent. But their > *intent* is something > known only to the Master of the Universe. What counts, is > what they WROTE. > > In law, the only thing that counts is what is in black and > white and signed. > What the Yahoo TOS SAYS, in black and white, is that THEY > can do ANYTHING THEY > WANT with ANYTHING you put on their server *if* you > expressly agree to it. THAT > is what counts. > > OK? > > You do not have to be an attorney to figure that one out. > > > for example, if someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue > > yahoo for copyright infringement--- > > If that were their intent ... then why doesn't their TOS say > so? Instead, their > TOS says something VERY different. > > > even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to > > protect themselves > > Unfortunately for this point of view, their TOS allows them > to do whatever they > want with any and all your works at their discretion ... > just a wee bit more > than "just trying to protect themselves". > > > now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was > > told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only > > my opinion > > Debbie ... when you (or anyone else) express an opinion in a > public forum, > particularly on a legal matter that affects a lot of people, > you must be > prepared to defend it. If you don't like that, then don't > express opinions. > There are (at last report) some 650+ people on this mailing > list ... this is a > public forum no matter how relaxed and laid back it may > seem. > > For example, look at Albert Lewis' writings and see how > carefully they are > worded. He's a good writer too. (That is an opinion I feel > confident no one > will disagree with.) It is clear that HE knows this is a > public forum. > > I bite my tongue quite often when tempted to express an > opinion in a public > forum on legal issues, politically charged issues, and/or > issues with religious > import, because such expression would require me to defend > said opinion and I > decide quite frequently its just not worth the effort. Most > people don't really > want to know anyone else's opinion in the first place and > simply get emotional > when you disagree with them even if they haven't actually > expressed their > opinion. For example, I completely disagree with the > idiotic opinion expressed > by that American ex-patriate living in Mexico. I have lived > in Mexico myself (a > summer) and returned many times since as well as Europe (12 > years) and visited > much of North, West and Central Africa, South America and > Asia (mostly for > teaching) so I have a right to an opinion on the subject. > Instead I chose not > to express an opinion on that subject. > > THIS issue (Yahoo/Geocities) is different and I chose to > speak up (a little) > because Mike Savaad, who has given a lot to the online > stained glass community, > is in a tight spot. > > Actually, if I were in Mike's shoes [HINT HINT HINT HINT > HINT], I'd shut down > the Geocities site and get a virtual server at OLM or > WEBAXXS. For $15/month > you get 400 MB of server storage (thats actually quite a > lot) and around 5 GB > transfer per month (thats a lot of GB's btw) + other stuff > I won't get into. > They're extremely reliable and the cheapest around. Not to > mention that THEY > get all the non-negligible hassles of running a server. > I've been using them > for some time now. Further, Geocities is a TERRIBLE outfit. > > OK ... way past time to go ..... regards to all > (particularly Debbie ) > ........ Bob > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah but then i'd have to pay for it. and since i'm not making any money i would'nt want to pay for it... got to the newsgroup alt.homepages.geocities there's been quite a bit of talk about this.... now i have re-write some of my site and upload it else where. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 06:57:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: design question Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:26:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.12645.0> Precedence: bulk Since I am a beginner at designing my own patterns, I have a question on leaves. I designed a panel with panes as the background. I have roses climbing on two intertwining vines. I placed my leaves as the last element. I have a few leaves that will need to connect to the panes. On a rose leaf how do I best to draw the connecting line. Do I follow one of the curves of the leaves, do I come off the tip of the leaf, or do I just take the shortest route? No matter how I pencil it in, it doesn't look right...and if I get rid of the leaves it doesn't look balanced. I know I am just not getting something. Do I use two different sizes of foil...a wider one for the panes and a finer one for the connecting lines? thanks claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 08:26:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:21:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: COLD GLASS New pics at Intrastar website Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:19:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.01922.0> References: <<005b01bec79d$c00e2d20$ef318118@computer>> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, There are new pictures at the Intrastar website. http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/gallery.htm There are three new member galleries,,, Mary Patty Patrick and more pictures from Suzanne O' Tulsa Great to see more Great Glass, and Welcome on board. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 03:53 AM Subject: New pics > I just saw the new pics from Patrick and Patty. I just loved them all! > Patrick, your horse was just beautiful, so detailed! > Patty... we must be related! I LOVE purples and blues too, and use them as > often as possible. The abstract is similar to one I've done, and close in > color usage as well. > Thanks for sending them in! > > I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell > me to wait. > Thanks... Mary > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 08:51:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:40:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-5631-4652 Subject: Fwd: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul6.0407.0> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-5631-4652 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I thought other bungians ought to see this response. While it may be true that every retailer does not stock EVERYTHING in the way of stained glass supplies...it's obvious that something can be ordered in the same amount of time that it takes to get it via a mail order company. While my local store does not stock everything that's new...they do have literature and make me aware of what's out there. As for a store owner not wanting to carry anything that's new....it appears by that statement, that retail store owners only carry things that are old. Sue --WebTV-Mail-5631-4652 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. --WebTV-Mail-5631-4652 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 04:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ns2.area37.com (mail.allentowntoytrain.com [216.107.24.40]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id EAA00061 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 04:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from charles.area37.com (unverified [216.107.24.200]) by ns2.area37.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:36:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Charles Warner" From: "Charles Warner" To: "Susan Perchelli" Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker for glass retailers Wow!!! Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:27:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01bec7a2$7c2ff660$2825a8c0@charles.area37.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_031B_01BEC780.F51E5660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_031B_01BEC780.F51E5660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sue: =20 Purchaseing locally only, will greatly limit you to things that = someone else approves (the store owner). Our greatest difficulty as = product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of retail = store owners. For the most part retailers do not want to carry anything = that is new and do not have the working capitol to fully stock a store. =20 Charles Warner =20 Who spends her money locally. ------=_NextPart_000_031B_01BEC780.F51E5660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sue:   Purchaseing locally only, will greatly limit you to things = that=20 someone else approves (the store owner).  Our greatest = difficulty as=20 product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of = retail store=20 owners.  For the most part retailers do not want to carry = anything that=20 is new and do not have the working capitol to fully stock a=20 store.   Charles Warner   Who=20 spends her money locally. ------=_NextPart_000_031B_01BEC780.F51E5660-- --WebTV-Mail-5631-4652-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 08:54:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Misc. Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:47:19 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199907061452.JAA07082@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Just got back to work after the long (hot) weekend and had to make a couple of comments after catching up on the last few days' bungi posts. 1. Shakeel! Where the heck have you been? I was beginning to the wonder if the IGGA had done you in! 2. Retailers. I have the luxury (in the NW suburbs of Chicago) to have at least three glass shops w/in a half hour of my house. At the one where I took my beginner classes (ten years ago---and continue to spend my Thursday evenings) the owner has a standing line when he learns that someone bought stuff from one of his competitors--"well, at least you'll know where they're located when I go out of business." He doesn't get all bent out of shape (in fact he's sent me there to buy something he needed in an emergency). But we get the point. I buy from him whenever possible and he occasionally cuts me a deal on larger purchases (and even loans me things). Sometimes I'll see something elsewhere and then go back and ask him to order it. Sure, I buy things on sale via mail/web order when it's a bargain, but I try to support my local retailer as much as possible because I owe him so much for his help and for the many friends I've made through his establishment. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 09:14:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Claudette Jaramillo" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: design question Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:54:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.05442.0> Precedence: bulk >>I placed my leaves as the last element. I have a few leaves that will need to connect to the panes. On a rose leaf how do I best to draw the connecting line. Do I follow one of the curves of the leaves, do I come off the tip of the leaf, or do I just take the shortest route? << Good question. Here is what I did yesterday. To connect the tip of a leaf to another element which is often necessary for practical cutting purposes I start with the placement of the leaf itself. Most of my leaves have a gentle curve or S-curve down the centerline where the main vein of a real leaf is. This curve is then extended in a smooth flowing arc to make the connection. With care the extended line can actualy add to the beauty of a panel. A finer lead may be used for the extension. So............ my run off lines are longer than a straight line but much more pleasing to the eye. I think that is what counts. ......................Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 09:20:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:47:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: design question Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:41:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.24117.0> References: <<1999Jul6.12645.0>> Precedence: bulk On July 8, a new friend, Claudette, asked: >On a rose leaf how do I best to draw the connecting line. Do I follow one of the curves of the leaves, do I come off the tip of the leaf, or do I just take the shortest route. Do I use two different sizes of foil...a wider one for the panes and a finer one for the connecting lines? I don't know about everyone else around here, but I'd say it depends on your background to some degree. What sort of glass are you using? If baroque, could you follow the design to make the line less noticeable? I did a couple panels with ivy vines last year, and since the vine itself was curved rather than angular and the leaves were curved, I curved rather than angled the joint lines. It looked good, but (frustration) I didn't get the chance to take a pic... the customer called in a day early, just as I was finishing the glass, and swept them away! Sometimes I do use a wider tape for the design itself and narrower for the connecting lines - it makes them a bit less noticeable. But it's more brainwork too. : ) Good luck, let us know how you do! Dawn "I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 09:31:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:11:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Who is Dale Tiffany?? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:09:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.1958.0> Precedence: bulk I am just retailing this message and not vouching for it's accuracy. ............Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm -----Original Message----- From: Steve Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Who is Dale Tiffany?? >Dale Tiffany is not a who, but a what. >A rather sizeable glass studio, factory style. Whether or not it is still >in Korea, I am not sure, they moved to mainland China, I understand(not >fact), and then moved back, of was that Ko Ting, maker of lamps and very >recognizable bronze bases. Anyway, Dale Tiffany is a factory, headquartered >in Korea, owned and operated by a fella by the name of Chung. All the US >glass factories know them, he buys more in one order than most distributors! > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 09:52:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: design question Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:19:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.71933.0> References: <<1999Jul6.12645.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > Since I am a beginner at designing my own patterns, I have a question on > leaves. I designed a panel with panes as the background. I have roses > climbing on two intertwining vines. I placed my leaves as the last element. > I have a few leaves that will need to connect to the panes. On a rose leaf > how do I best to draw the connecting line. Do I follow one of the curves of > the leaves, do I come off the tip of the leaf, or do I just take the > shortest route? No matter how I pencil it in, it doesn't look right...and > if I get rid of the leaves it doesn't look balanced. I know I am just not > getting something. Do I use two different sizes of foil...a wider one for > the panes and a finer one for the connecting lines? thanks claudette > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if it does'nt look right, it does'nt look right. try placing more leaves there. a large bee, a bird, a vine, another rose. and a little here and there, so there are'nt any break lines. most people will draw right to that... generally a break line follows the most free flowing curve. for a leaf i usually nail it with a center line. inside curves work well too. tiffany broke up some areas by splitint it off to look like tree branches (on panels with trees). play with it, looks at it, if it does'nt look right to you, you may regret it later. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 10:57:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:02:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199907061701.NAA05084@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I thought other bungians ought to see this response. While it may be > true that every retailer does not stock EVERYTHING in the way of > stained glass supplies...it's obvious that something can be ordered > in the same amount of time that it takes to get it via a mail order > company. Sue, I don't see anything in Charles' comment that refers to how quickly anything can be delivered to either a store owner or to an individual. What'd I miss? He *did say that purchasing locally limits you to what the store owner has in stock, which is usually items that the store owner prefers; that's what I read in Charles' comment, anyway. > While my local store does not stock everything that's > new...they do have literature and make me aware of what's out > there. As for a store owner not wanting to carry anything that's > new....it appears by that statement, that retail store owners only > carry things that are old. It's understandable (to me, anyway) that few retail stores will have *everything in stock all the time, even the latest/greatest whatever ... and if they have literature and are willing to get stuff for their customers, that's great. Service with a smile. But again, I didn't see anything in Charles' statement that indicated retail shop owners carry only what's "old." Perhaps what's "tried and true," or "safe" (in the sense of "I know this item and I can sell it," sure; that'd make sense. Note, too, that Charles is speaking as a designer of new products, as an importer and as a wholesaler. His experience from that point of view might be very different than that experienced by a walk-in customer like yourself, mightn't it? Albert Charles said: > Purchaseing locally only, will greatly limit you to things that > someone else approves (the store owner). Our greatest difficulty as > product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of > retail store owners. For the most part retailers do not want to > carry anything that is new and do not have the working capitol to > fully stock a store. > Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 11:26:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:07:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NOT GLASS-CRAZY PEOPLE Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:05:49 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul6.17549.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/2/99 2:49:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daver!one.net!kleeman@aol.com writes: > one guy was upset because he can't find anyone that sells stained glass kits > that he could buy and cut down to fit his front door--didn't want a custom > piece -- wanted a generic piece of stained glass he could reshape from a > kit! Ummm, isn't that called contact paper??? Remember the fake stained glass kind from the 70's??? IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 13:02:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:58:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Wholesale and Retail Glass Stores Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.901.0> Precedence: bulk I have been reading with interest the "Flux Brush" thread. Seldom do I ever leave a SG store without buying something. Even if it is only a $3 or $4 dollar item. I consider this a token of appreciation for the store owner's effort. A business must make a profit to stay in business. If buying a few brushes, pattern book, gems, etc. will help someone stay open for the time that I really need them... .. I am happy to do it. Sometime take a look at those retail magazines, web-based businesses, or watch TV and see the products they sell. I was watching last night and they were selling 2 cooler bags for $19.95 which I guess is OK, but, the shipping and handling fees were very excessive. When you have to pay over 35% more for shipping and handling the local retailer can usually beat that price. As a caveat I don't buy anything from anybody who doesn't treat me with respect. I walk out of the store, be it a Mom and Pop grocery store or a large retailer. Additionally, I do not wait for hours in line to eat at a restaurant ...no matter how good people say the food is. Bottom Line...... Respect equals Receipts... PS.... Don't remember why I got on this subject.........ROFL Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 13:56:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:07:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.1275.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" > Note, too, that Charles is speaking as a designer of new products, as = an importer and as a wholesaler.< Charles is a retailer, too - and as far as I can tell he's the apex of service to everyone... the guy = oughta write a book on good retailing. There are lots of folks out there who could learn a thing or two from him. = Best regards, Dani Greer (who started her day with an hour-and- a-half phone chat with Elisabeth.... what fun!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 14:27:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: warn the fire dept! Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:20:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.10209.0> Precedence: bulk The torch came today!!!!! :o) Oh, what a fun mail day for me! New birkenstocks, IGGA new member pack, and a torch! Yeeeha. Life is good. Better sell something to pay the Visa bill. ;o) Gotta match? Watch out, I could be dangerous! ;o) T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 14:51:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wholesale and Retail Glass Stores Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:16:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.81623.0> References: <<1999Jul6.901.0>> Precedence: bulk >Seldom do I ever leave a SG store without buying something. Even if it is > only a $3 or $4 dollar item. I consider this a token of appreciation for the > store owner's effort. Amen, Patrick! As well, I believe that every person you speak to will have a different view on how to do a certain project, I have picked up many, many wonderful ideas at no charge from my glass retailers. So I don't mind spending a few bucks here and there to keep them onhand. Dawn "Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 17:57:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Tue, 06 Jul 99 05:53:11 Message-ID: <199907062359.RAA22617@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:07:05 -0400, Dani Greer wrote: >Message text written by "Albert Lewis" >> >Note, too, that Charles is speaking as a designer of new products, as = > >an importer and as a wholesaler.< > >Charles is a retailer, too - and as far as I can tell >he's the apex of service to everyone... the guy = > >oughta write a book on good retailing. There >are lots of folks out there who could learn a thing >or two from him. = > > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer (who started her day with an hour-and- >a-half phone chat with Elisabeth.... what fun!) and is quite a hoot!! I've enjoyed our emails Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 18:26:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Mike Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Tue, 06 Jul 99 05:59:09 Message-ID: <199907070005.SAA22960@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk yahoo has printed a very clear proviso.... to whit: anything you submit is your property not ours Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 18:29:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:10:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Candy Thurman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.16751.0> References: <<199907070005.SAA22960@mantis.privatei.com>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Candy Thurman wrote: > > yahoo has printed a very clear proviso.... to whit: > > anything you submit is your property not ours > > Candy but you have to read on , that was the firt bone thwy threw. if i don't sign it they don't own, but as soon as i do they do. so if i go in to delete, update, move, etc. i have to say yes. furthermore, if i even join just one yahoo thing i've also agreed, because it's a global agreement. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 19:04:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net (Albert Lewis) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-22084-1039 Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul6.11151.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-22084-1039 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Purchasing anything from anybody anywhere limits you to what they have in stock. Duh! Evn Mr. Warner doesn't carry everything! Also note that Charles is speaking as a mail order company as well. Pray tell Albert, what stained glass retail experience do you have? What stained glass experience do you have at all? Sue --WebTV-Mail-22084-1039 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. --WebTV-Mail-22084-1039 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id LAA25693; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:02:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199907061701.NAA05084@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I thought other bungians ought to see this response. While it may be > true that every retailer does not stock EVERYTHING in the way of > stained glass supplies...it's obvious that something can be ordered > in the same amount of time that it takes to get it via a mail order > company. Sue, I don't see anything in Charles' comment that refers to how quickly anything can be delivered to either a store owner or to an individual. What'd I miss? He *did say that purchasing locally limits you to what the store owner has in stock, which is usually items that the store owner prefers; that's what I read in Charles' comment, anyway. > While my local store does not stock everything that's > new...they do have literature and make me aware of what's out > there. As for a store owner not wanting to carry anything that's > new....it appears by that statement, that retail store owners only > carry things that are old. It's understandable (to me, anyway) that few retail stores will have *everything in stock all the time, even the latest/greatest whatever ... and if they have literature and are willing to get stuff for their customers, that's great. Service with a smile. But again, I didn't see anything in Charles' statement that indicated retail shop owners carry only what's "old." Perhaps what's "tried and true," or "safe" (in the sense of "I know this item and I can sell it," sure; that'd make sense. Note, too, that Charles is speaking as a designer of new products, as an importer and as a wholesaler. His experience from that point of view might be very different than that experienced by a walk-in customer like yourself, mightn't it? Albert Charles said: > Purchaseing locally only, will greatly limit you to things that > someone else approves (the store owner). Our greatest difficulty as > product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of > retail store owners. For the most part retailers do not want to > carry anything that is new and do not have the working capitol to > fully stock a store. > Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-22084-1039-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 19:17:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Dayle To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A2B3F3FFD5E2A5DF091D2437" Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:11:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.171121.0> References: <<199907061701.NAA05084@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: Celestial Luminosities Precedence: bulk --------------A2B3F3FFD5E2A5DF091D2437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I guess you can read anything you want into Mr. Warner's statements. It did come off sounding anti-retailer though in my opinion. You just rearranged his words Albert to make it sound innocent in that respect. I do believe he said "Purchasing locally will greatly limit you to things that someone else approves (the store owner)." And also, "Our greatest difficulty as product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of retail store owners." And what would this mindset be? As a retailer, I take offence to these statements as they seem to suggest that buying from your local retailer is not in your best interest. But perhaps buying from an online or mail order source such as W/C is in your best interest? I don't think Sue saw anything in Mr. Warner's comments that referred to how quickly anything could be ordered and delivered to a store or to an individual either......she was just pointing out that ordering something from your local retailer vs an online or mail order source probably would arrive in the same amount of time. Why would a wholesaler take such an interest in this topic of discussion anyway unless of course, there is some other reason? True wholesalers sell to retailers who sell to the general public. I don't know of any TRUE wholesalers that sell directly to the public. Of course, I live in Canada so things may be done differently in the USA....I don't know. There are of course suppliers who call themselves wholesalers in an effort to make the public think they are buying at wholesale prices when in fact they are not. They're buying at discounted prices, somewhere between wholesale and retail because the online or mail order supplier doesn't have the overhead a small retailer has. And there's nothing wrong with discounted prices, after all, even Wal Mart offers personal service. Oh, I'm sorry, online and mail order suppliers don't give personal service. What was I thinking? That's like comparing apples to oranges! A bit of advice for Mr. Warner.....perhaps next time he should post such comments directly to the list and give the retailers a chance to speak for themselves. What was the purpose of this message? To try to gently persuade Sue to shop elsewhere? Perhaps online? Oh, that's right....Dani says he is a retailer as well. Well whatever his mindset is, being a retailer, I doubt if many other retailers share it. The retailers I know are in this business because they love it and wish to disseminate their passion for art glass. They're not out to gouge the public in order to achieve mogul status as many would have the public believe. This is just my opinion of course...another point of view. Dayle Pandke Celestial Luminosities Albert Lewis wrote: > > I thought other bungians ought to see this response. While it may be > > true that every retailer does not stock EVERYTHING in the way of > > stained glass supplies...it's obvious that something can be ordered > > in the same amount of time that it takes to get it via a mail order > > company. > > Sue, > > I don't see anything in Charles' comment that refers to how > quickly anything can be delivered to either a store owner or to an > individual. What'd I miss? He *did say that purchasing locally limits > you to what the store owner has in stock, which is usually items that > the store owner prefers; that's what I read in Charles' comment, > anyway. > > > While my local store does not stock everything that's > > new...they do have literature and make me aware of what's out > > there. As for a store owner not wanting to carry anything that's > > new....it appears by that statement, that retail store owners only > > carry things that are old. > > It's understandable (to me, anyway) that few retail stores will have > *everything in stock all the time, even the latest/greatest whatever > ... and if they have literature and are willing to get stuff for > their customers, that's great. Service with a smile. But again, I > didn't see anything in Charles' statement that indicated retail shop > owners carry only what's "old." Perhaps what's "tried and true," > or "safe" (in the sense of "I know this item and I can sell it," > sure; that'd make sense. > > Note, too, that Charles is speaking as a designer of new products, as > an importer and as a wholesaler. His experience from that point of > view might be very different than that experienced by a walk-in > customer like yourself, mightn't it? > > Albert > > > Charles said: > > > Purchaseing locally only, will greatly limit you to things that > > someone else approves (the store owner). Our greatest difficulty as > > product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of > > retail store owners. For the most part retailers do not want to > > carry anything that is new and do not have the working capitol to > > fully stock a store. > > Charles Warner > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------A2B3F3FFD5E2A5DF091D2437 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I guess you can read anything you want into Mr. Warner's statements.  It did come off sounding anti-retailer though in my opinion.  You just rearranged his words Albert to make it sound innocent in that respect.  I do believe he said "Purchasing locally will greatly limit you to things that someone else approves (the store owner)."    And also, "Our greatest difficulty as product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of retail store owners."  And what would this mindset be?  As a retailer, I take offence to these statements as they seem to suggest that buying from your local retailer is not in your best interest.  But perhaps buying from an online or mail order source such as W/C is in your best interest?   I don't think Sue saw anything in Mr. Warner's comments that referred to how quickly anything could be ordered and delivered to a store or to an individual either......she was just pointing out that ordering something from your local retailer vs an online or mail order source probably would arrive in the same amount of time.
Why would a wholesaler take such an interest in this topic of discussion anyway unless of course, there is some other reason?  True wholesalers sell to retailers who sell to the general public.  I don't know of any TRUE wholesalers that sell directly to the public.  Of course, I live in Canada so things may be done differently in the USA....I don't know.  There are of course suppliers who call themselves wholesalers in an effort to make the public think they are buying at wholesale prices when in fact they are not.  They're buying at discounted prices,  somewhere between wholesale and retail because the online or mail order supplier doesn't have the overhead a small retailer has.  And there's nothing wrong with discounted prices, after all, even Wal Mart offers personal service.  Oh, I'm sorry, online and mail order suppliers don't give personal service.  What was I thinking?  That's like comparing apples to oranges!
A bit of advice for Mr. Warner.....perhaps next time he should post such comments directly to the list and give the retailers a chance to speak for themselves.  What was the purpose of this message?  To try to gently persuade Sue to shop elsewhere?  Perhaps online?
Oh, that's right....Dani says he is a retailer as well.  Well whatever his mindset is, being a retailer, I doubt if many other retailers share it.  The retailers I know are in this business because they love it and wish to disseminate their passion for art glass.  They're not out to gouge the public in order to achieve mogul status as many would have the public believe.

This is just my opinion of course...another point of view.

Dayle Pandke
Celestial Luminosities
 

Albert Lewis wrote:

> I thought other bungians ought to see this response. While it may be
> true that every retailer does not stock EVERYTHING in the way of
> stained glass supplies...it's obvious that something can be ordered
> in the same amount of time that it takes to get it via a mail order
> company.

Sue,

I don't see anything in Charles' comment that refers to how
quickly anything can be delivered to either a store owner or to an
individual. What'd I miss? He *did say that purchasing locally limits
you to what the store owner has in stock, which is usually items that
the store owner prefers; that's what I read in Charles' comment,
anyway.

> While my local store does not stock everything that's
> new...they do  have literature and make me aware of what's out
> there. As for a store owner not wanting to carry anything that's
> new....it appears by that statement, that retail store owners only
> carry things that are old.

It's understandable (to me, anyway) that few retail stores will have
*everything in stock all the time, even the latest/greatest whatever
... and if they have literature and are willing to get stuff for
their customers, that's great. Service with a smile. But again, I
didn't see anything in Charles' statement that indicated retail shop
owners carry only what's "old." Perhaps what's "tried and true,"
or "safe" (in the sense of "I know this item and I can sell it,"
sure; that'd make sense.

Note, too, that Charles is speaking as a designer of new products, as
an importer and as a wholesaler. His experience from that point of
view might be very different than that experienced by a walk-in
customer like yourself, mightn't it?

Albert
 

Charles said:

>     Purchaseing locally only, will greatly limit you to things that
> someone else approves (the store owner).  Our greatest difficulty as
> product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of
> retail store owners.  For the most part retailers do not want to
> carry anything that is new and do not have the working capitol to
> fully stock a store.
>     Charles Warner
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  --------------A2B3F3FFD5E2A5DF091D2437-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 21:27:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:24:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:57:15 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.55715.0> Precedence: bulk From: Dani Greer >oughta write a book on good retailing. There >are lots of folks out there who could learn a thing >or two from him. = My ideal location for a studio. Walking distance from where ever Charles has a shop. Couldn't agree with you more. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 21:44:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Suzanne Gunn" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:02:04 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.624.0> Precedence: bulk From: Suzanne Gunn >The torch came today!!!!! :o) >Oh, what a fun mail day for me! New birkenstocks, IGGA new member pack, >and a torch! Yeeeha. Life is good. Better sell something to pay the >Visa bill. ;o) > >Gotta match? Watch out, I could be dangerous! ;o) Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 Happy glass melting! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 21:56:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Misc. Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:51:15 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.55115.0> Precedence: bulk From: Kaye Sodt > >1. Shakeel! Where the heck have you been? I was beginning to >the wonder if the IGGA had done you in! Been here and there, have missed the Bungi post for most of May and June, so have a lot of catching up. Good to be back. > >2. Retailers. I have the luxury (in the NW suburbs of Chicago) to >have at least three glass shops w/in a half hour of my house. At I am lucky too on that front. I have only one (and only ) retailer. Me. :-) But I agree with you having a retailer, and getting things locally is boon that should not be taken lightly. I know, I buy most of my supplies from mail or wholesale. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 22:27:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:42:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.184257.0> References: <<1999Jul6.11151.0>> Precedence: bulk > Purchasing anything from anybody anywhere limits you to what they have > in stock. Duh! Evn Mr. Warner doesn't carry everything! Also note that > Charles is speaking as a mail order company as well. Pray tell Albert, > what stained glass retail experience do you have? What stained glass > experience do you have at all? > > Sue > These are only *my* humble 2 cents... I dont know what Albert knows about stained glass. I sure wish I did. I'd like to live long enough to learn all Albert knows about glass. Nope, Charles doesnt have everything....but I can vouch he will get it for you or tell you where you can...and he can answer your questions, or give you phone numbers and names of people who can. I like some of my local retailers. They are nice people. I want them to stay in business....but I like the selection that Charles and Marianne have, and I really like their prices. They have offered me great service, and have been open to any comment etc.. Also, Charles takes up for local retailers more than *anyone* that I know of. Also Charles and Marianne have been more helpful with questions than *any* glass retailer has ever been to me. If they cant answer something they can get you the answer or refer you to the person that will know. Same goes for Albert for that matter (regarding information) Both are very generous people in my experience. Btw, I like Meredith an awful lot too, but I didnt hear Jenna being mentioned. ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 22:57:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Question..marketing Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 00:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.191223.0> Precedence: bulk Recently I got new better insurance..so Im getting all the health care work done. Got a new potential client while waiting for my mammogram. Got an order for 5 $45 crosses by the office girls in another clinic. Tomorrow is my physical...think I will take some pics with me ;o) I listen to tons of audio books in my workshop while working. Take my kids to the library frequently...we frequent our small neighborhood library (I order inter-library loans online to be delivered there). Im now wondering about how much would be involved to display a few things at my neighborhood library? Could be *way* too big of a hassle if I have to go through the City/County, but if not, wow...cool advertising. Wonder if making a donation to the library with the request that my card be within view....would do the same or better? Anyone ever done this without it being a huge deal??? Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 6 23:59:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dayle , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 00:56:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.195639.0> References: <<1999Jul6.171121.0>> Precedence: bulk > Well I guess you can read anything you want into Mr. Warner's statements. It did come off sounding anti-retailer though in my > opinion. You just rearranged his words Albert to make it sound innocent in that respect. I do believe he said "Purchasing > locally will greatly limit you to things that someone else approves (the store owner)." I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." Charles honestly does defend local retailers to his customers, much more than most retailers would ever believe. I know, because he has defended them to me more times than I can count...when I didnt think I was attacking anyone. For someone like me with very little capitol... with a 190 sq ft studio, I sell everything I make....but I cant order glass wholesale, I dont sell supplies....and I cant afford to be in business buying from a local retailer. W/C is the only option for someone like me. Unfortunately, I want to do glass work, not retail work...so Im screwed with the wholesalers so far as I can tell. If glass is hobby only, and you want to spend your money locally, go for it. But if you need to make some money, you cant pay 3X more for supplies. It's that simple. I dont know why that is so hard for people to understand. Im not an awful person or cheap, but *I* have to make a profit too. If I pay retail prices for my supplies, my work will have to be over priced, and no one will buy it. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 00:28:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question..marketing Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:25:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.222514.0> Precedence: bulk >Im now wondering about how much would be involved to display a few >things at my neighborhood library? Could be *way* too big of a hassle >if I have to go through the City/County, but if not, wow...cool >advertising. > >Wonder if making a donation to the library with the request that my card >be within view....would do the same or better? I know the library here is always looking for interesting neat ideas for displays....Is there such a thing as a Stained Glass Month? (the god's know there is a 'month' for everything else!!) if there is...bring it up to Library board.....suggesting that several local SG artists display their work....Also why not donate a few SG books to the library (the one here puts a name plaque in the book....stating who donating it) That way the library gets a few new books....and people are exposed to the art of stained glass. Do you have a local artist group? I know here in Port Clinton we do and several times a year they have a mini-show in the library.....many different mediums are represented.... Take Care Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 00:41:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Just a comment... Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:38:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.223842.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BEC821.D382E740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all.... I have been out surfing stained glass web sites and came across = pre-cut...pre-foiled...pre-everything but soldered kits....which in my = opinion takes away all the fun stuff of glass work and leaves one with = what I hate the most....soldering....I love cutting glass,,,and am = getting darn good at it, if I do say so myself...(minimal to no grinder = use)...working on original designs....having a blast with the different = glass types and colours.....but...... ...I will admit that I am so awful at soldering that I am almost willing = to pay someone to finish my projects for me....my SG retailer has been = so patient...in fact he is going to let me borrow one of his more = powerful soldering irons before I give up completely to see if this may = help the problem....(not to mention he gets the sale if I purchase one = of my own and it keeps me coming back for supplies!! He's no dummy!!) I guess I really don't need advise...I just wanted to vent to a group of = people that may at least understand....urgh!! Soraya ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BEC821.D382E740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all....
 
I have been out surfing stained glass web sites and = came=20 across pre-cut...pre-foiled...pre-everything but soldered kits....which = in my=20 opinion takes away all the fun stuff of glass work and leaves one with = what I=20 hate the most....soldering....I love cutting glass,,,and am getting darn = good at=20 it, if I do say so myself...(minimal to no grinder use)...working on = original=20 designs....having a blast with the different glass types and=20 colours.....but......
 
...I will admit that I am so awful at soldering that = I am=20 almost willing to pay someone to finish my projects for me....my SG = retailer has=20 been so patient...in fact he is going to let me borrow one of his more = powerful=20 soldering irons before I give up completely to see if this may help = the=20 problem....(not to mention he gets the sale if I purchase one of my own = and it=20 keeps me coming back for supplies!!  He's no dummy!!)
 
I guess I really don't need advise...I just wanted = to vent to=20 a group of people that may at least understand....urgh!!
 
Soraya
 
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BEC821.D382E740-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 01:28:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 00:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Dayle To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 03:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.23195.0> References: <<3782EC17.21C9AE8D@ix.netcom.com>> Organization: Celestial Luminosities Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." Well what he really said was "Purchasing locally only...." but that's just semantics I suppose as it all means the same thing. To me the response was clearly not in defense of the local retailer. I sympathize with your situation on the need to make money, but you're either in business or you're not. If you're in business legitimately then you can purchase materials wholesale. What I can't understand is why some people feel they should be able to purchase their glass supplies wholesale when they don't expect the same in other aspects of their lives....or maybe they do. Retailers have a place in our economy. If there were no retailers, how many people do you know would be without employment? Think about it. Is your income derived solely from the sale of stained glass products without any other source of financial support? If it is, then I'm afraid you won't realize a substantial wage to support yourself unless you do go into business and meet the requirements to buy wholesale. Unless you are content to sell your product without accounting for a reasonable fee for your time. If that's the case, even then you wouldn't make a decent wage, you'd be working for nothing....not any better than the slave labour in China and elsewhere we've been reading posts on. It is not my intent to argue with you on this issue Suzanne but rather to create dialogue which will hopefully develop a better understanding of what's involved in making a living in this field. There is a difference between making a living and making a few extra bucks. I look forward to other opinions on this matter. Dayle > Charles honestly does defend local retailers to his customers, much more > than most retailers would ever believe. I know, because he has defended > them to me more times than I can count...when I didnt think I was > attacking anyone. > > For someone like me with very little capitol... > with a 190 sq ft studio, I sell everything I make....but I cant order > glass wholesale, I dont sell supplies....and I cant afford to be in > business buying from a local retailer. > > W/C is the only option for someone like me. > > Unfortunately, I want to do glass work, not retail work...so Im screwed > with the wholesalers so far as I can tell. > > If glass is hobby only, and you want to spend your money locally, go for > it. But if you need to make some money, you cant pay 3X more for > supplies. It's that simple. I dont know why that is so hard for people > to understand. > > Im not an awful person or cheap, but *I* have to make a profit too. > If I pay retail prices for my supplies, my work will have to be over > priced, and no one will buy it. > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 01:57:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 00:52:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Just a comment... Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 03:53:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul6.235353.0> Precedence: bulk I am so sorry that I did not change over my format before I sent this out.....opps....here is my venting in a more readable way.....again...my apologies! Hi all.... I have been out surfing stained glass web sites and came across pre-cut...pre-foiled...pre-everything but soldered kits....which in my opinion takes away all the fun stuff of glass work and leaves one with what I hate the most....soldering....I love cutting glass,,,and am getting darn good at it, if I do say so myself...(minimal to no grinder use)...working on original designs....having a blast with the different glass types and colours.....but...... ...I will admit that I am so awful at soldering that I am almost willing to pay someone to finish my projects for me....my SG retailer has been so patient...in fact he is going to let me borrow one of his more powerful soldering irons before I give up completely to see if this may help the problem....(not to mention he gets the sale if I purchase one of my own and it keeps me coming back for supplies!! He's no dummy!!) I guess I really don't need advise...I just wanted to vent to a group of people that may at least understand....urgh!! Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 04:02:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: suggest a color please? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul6.195713.0> Precedence: bulk I have been asked to make some Winnie the Pooh suncatchers, or window hangings if you will and having a difficult time finding a color (orange/yellow) for the body. I used a colloring book I found at Walmart for the pattern and it worked out great, but driving me crazy on the glass. Any ideas anyone? Charles? 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 04:32:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 03:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Suzanne Gunn" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:37:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.23743.0> References: <<1999Jul6.184257.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne said: snips | I'd like to live long enough to learn all Albert knows about glass. | | Nope, Charles doesnt have everything....but I can vouch he will get it | for you or tell you where you can...and he can answer your questions, or | give you phone numbers and names of people who can. | I like some of my local retailers. They are nice people. I want them | to stay in business....| if they cant answer something | they can get you the answer or refer you to the person that will know. | | Same goes for Albert for that matter (regarding information) Both are | very generous people in my experience. | | Btw, I like Meredith an awful lot too, Well said, Suzanne The knowledge that Albert has about glass is extroidinary. He is always there to help and share and I for one appreciate it! I am very lucky that Meredith's is one of my local retailers and their prices are about the same as W/C on most items. Can't beat the service. Unfortunatly, I have not met Jenna face to face but have met her Mom and Dad! Great people and talented to boot. KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 04:41:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 03:47:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: Subject: buying wholesale Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:48:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.2487.0> References: <<1999Jul6.195639.0>> Precedence: bulk I am interested in this thread for many reasons. One is that my friend was told that in order to buy wholesale from Spectrum, for examply, one not only had to have an occupational license, but proof that stained glass is the major business. What does one do who makes stained glass to sell, but does it as an adjunct to another business? In her case, her husband renovates homes and she makes stained glass for the clients. Spectrum said she should ask her local retailer for a break, but that doesn't sound like the only answer. Any ideas? I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dayle ; Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 1:56 AM Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker > > Well I guess you can read anything you want into Mr. Warner's statements. It did come off sounding anti-retailer though in my > > opinion. You just rearranged his words Albert to make it sound innocent in that respect. I do believe he said "Purchasing > > locally will greatly limit you to things that someone else approves (the store owner)." > > > I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." > > Charles honestly does defend local retailers to his customers, much more > than most retailers would ever believe. I know, because he has defended > them to me more times than I can count...when I didnt think I was > attacking anyone. > > For someone like me with very little capitol... > with a 190 sq ft studio, I sell everything I make....but I cant order > glass wholesale, I dont sell supplies....and I cant afford to be in > business buying from a local retailer. > > W/C is the only option for someone like me. > > Unfortunately, I want to do glass work, not retail work...so Im screwed > with the wholesalers so far as I can tell. > > If glass is hobby only, and you want to spend your money locally, go for > it. But if you need to make some money, you cant pay 3X more for > supplies. It's that simple. I dont know why that is so hard for people > to understand. > > Im not an awful person or cheap, but *I* have to make a profit too. > If I pay retail prices for my supplies, my work will have to be over > priced, and no one will buy it. > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 05:04:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 03:58:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Dayle" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:57:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.25716.0> References: <<1999Jul6.23195.0>> Precedence: bulk I love glass! for a liquid ;-)) you can do so much with it. I started making stained glass for gifts. Using patterns. Then received requests to make gifts for sale. Then I make a box for a wedding present, without a pattern, and my friend couldn't buy it because she wouldn't at the family rate. She didn't want to give it away, she wanted to keep it for herself. She gave me the courage to show it to others. It sold in a local "art gallery" along with many others. I figured out prices that more than cover the cost of materials. My time is priceless and I guess you can say I work for slave wages. But I am going to work in SG anyway!! So why not sell it if I can. I do not want to be a retailer, I want to be an "glass artist" KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ----- Original Message ----- From: Dayle To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 3:19 AM Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker | | | Suzanne Gunn wrote: | | > I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." | | Well what he really said was "Purchasing locally only...." but that's just semantics I suppose as it all means the same thing. To | me the response was clearly not in defense of the local retailer. | I sympathize with your situation on the need to make money, but you're either in business or you're not. If you're in business | legitimately then you can purchase materials wholesale. What I can't understand is why some people feel they should be able to | purchase their glass supplies wholesale when they don't expect the same in other aspects of their lives....or maybe they do. | Retailers have a place in our economy. If there were no retailers, how many people do you know would be without employment? Think | about it. Is your income derived solely from the sale of stained glass products without any other source of financial support? If | it is, then I'm afraid you won't realize a substantial wage to support yourself unless you do go into business and meet the | requirements to buy wholesale. Unless you are content to sell your product without accounting for a reasonable fee for your time. | If that's the case, even then you wouldn't make a decent wage, you'd be working for nothing....not any better than the slave labour | in China and elsewhere we've been reading posts on. | It is not my intent to argue with you on this issue Suzanne but rather to create dialogue which will hopefully develop a better | understanding of what's involved in making a living in this field. There is a difference between making a living and making a few | extra bucks. I look forward to other opinions on this matter. | Dayle | | > Charles honestly does defend local retailers to his customers, much more | > than most retailers would ever believe. I know, because he has defended | > them to me more times than I can count...when I didnt think I was | > attacking anyone. | > | > For someone like me with very little capitol... | > with a 190 sq ft studio, I sell everything I make....but I cant order | > glass wholesale, I dont sell supplies....and I cant afford to be in | > business buying from a local retailer. | > | > W/C is the only option for someone like me. | > | > Unfortunately, I want to do glass work, not retail work...so Im screwed | > with the wholesalers so far as I can tell. | > | > If glass is hobby only, and you want to spend your money locally, go for | > it. But if you need to make some money, you cant pay 3X more for | > supplies. It's that simple. I dont know why that is so hard for people | > to understand. | > | > Im not an awful person or cheap, but *I* have to make a profit too. | > If I pay retail prices for my supplies, my work will have to be over | > priced, and no one will buy it. | > | > Tulsa Suzanne | > -- | > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. | > | > ----Harvey MacKay | | | | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 06:29:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 05:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: Mary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 07:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.2364.0> References: <<1999Jul7.2487.0>> Precedence: bulk Mary wrote: > > I am interested in this thread for many reasons. One is that my friend was > told that in order to buy wholesale from Spectrum, Why? Why? Why, would one use spectrum when we can have Uroborus, Chicago and others of that type? David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 07:30:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: warn the fire dept! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:10:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.51041.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne Can I interest you in a couple of fire extinguishers or some flameproof children's clothing? Vic M. PS Do NOT wear jewelry while operating the torch. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:20 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: warn the fire dept! The torch came today!!!!! :o) Oh, what a fun mail day for me! New birkenstocks, IGGA new member pack, and a torch! Yeeeha. Life is good. Better sell something to pay the Visa bill. ;o) Gotta match? Watch out, I could be dangerous! ;o) T Suz -- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 08:03:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dayle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:57:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.35736.0> References: <<3782FF69.8BE60711@cyberbeach.net>> Precedence: bulk Dayle wrote: > > Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." > > Well what he really said was "Purchasing locally only...." but that's just semantics I suppose as it all means the same thing. To > me the response was clearly not in defense of the local retailer. > I sympathize with your situation on the need to make money, but you're either in business or you're not. If you're in business > legitimately then you can purchase materials wholesale. How do you define legitimately? I pay taxes on my income, does that make me legit in your eyes? What I can't understand is why some people feel they should be able to > purchase their glass supplies wholesale when they don't expect the same in other aspects of their lives....or maybe they do. What does that mean? How do you know what I expect in other aspects of my life???? Have we met? ;o) > Retailers have a place in our economy. If there were no retailers, how many people do you know would be without employment? I never said I wish they'd disapear. I dont know anyone that makes clothing that pays retail for their fabric. Think > about it. Is your income derived solely from the sale of stained glass products without any other source of financial support? What does that matter to anyone? A lot of people have more than one job to survive. I know when I was a Social Worker, I couldnt get by on that income alone. I held another full time job as well. If > it is, then I'm afraid you won't realize a substantial wage to support yourself unless you do go into business and meet the > requirements to buy wholesale. Unless you are content to sell your product without accounting for a reasonable fee for your time. > If that's the case, even then you wouldn't make a decent wage, you'd be working for nothing....not any better than the slave labour > in China and elsewhere we've been reading posts on. > It is not my intent to argue with you on this issue Suzanne but rather to create dialogue which will hopefully develop a better > understanding of what's involved in making a living in this field. I make a larger hourly wage than I did as a social worker. Apparently, what is involved to make a living in this field is to sell supplies and try to keep anyone that does stained glass content to only make a few *extra bucks, or remain a hobbiest. I dont expect retailers to stop being retailers. I only defend that I buy my supplies from a variety of places. Local retailers arent the be all and end all of service and information. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 08:29:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: K See Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.35929.0> References: <<003001bec864$c0ff6380$a280f9ce@oemcomputer>> Precedence: bulk > I am very lucky that Meredith's is one of my local retailers and their > prices are about the same as W/C on most items. Can't beat the service. > Unfortunatly, I have not met Jenna face to face but have met her Mom and > Dad! Great people and talented to boot. > > KSee I agree, KSee. Im really looking forward to visiting and meeting them in August! ;o) And you too for that matter! ;o) Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 08:31:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:08:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Charles R. Clark" Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.6836.0> References: <<378349B4.69B37470@sky.net>> Precedence: bulk I just used Spectrum as an example. Now I have it clear.. they're distributors, and to buy for resale, we go to the "next middle man", the wholesale/retail suppliers. I will check locally first to see if that's possible, and if not, then get busy writing and calling the suppliers. Thanks to all for the info! I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles R. Clark To: Mary Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:36 AM Subject: Re: buying wholesale > > > Mary wrote: > > > > I am interested in this thread for many reasons. One is that my friend was > > told that in order to buy wholesale from Spectrum, > > Why? Why? Why, would one use spectrum when we can have Uroborus, Chicago > and others of that type? > David > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 08:52:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:39:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: kaye@gsa-orsp.crown.nwu.edu, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Misc. Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:37:02 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul7.14372.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Kaye, I hope the message you are sending about retailers hits home with everyone. While I don't sell glass and supplies, and I qualify in all respects to buy wholesale, I found myself in the past month, spending quite a sum of money with my retailer, who by the way, is thirty miles distant. Did I do this because I want to give away money? Hardly I bought the glass for two large commissioned panels from him, because I wanted his input on the design (which he would have given me anyway), I wanted it now, and I want him around in the future, especially if I run out of something in the middle of a job, or happen to break that last piece. In other words, I get value from our relationship. My wife does needlework as a hobby, and slowly, all of the little shops where she used to go for patterns, and supplies, are gone. Sure, she can go to Michael's, but don't ask any of those eighteen - year olds anything. They haven't a clue. Sadly, after years of doing beautiful pieces (I think it's counted cross stitch) I've begun to notice she does less and less of it. I'm sure it's because she's lost the "connection" to the art. I think all of us, hobby or business, should take heed, and if possible, help your retailer to be there for you, by supporting them. The mail order SG outfits are super. The two I've bought from are just great. And since one of them, imho, gives back a lot to the craft/art of glass, they too, need your support. I've tried to balance my purchases, so all will be there in the future. Bottom line, there's no free lunch. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 09:00:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.5226.0> References: <<1999Jul7.51041.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Vic. Probably wouldnt be a bad idea. Send your catalog! ;o) Thanks for the jewelry warning! Guess hairspray isnt the best idea either! ;o) Suzanne giving new meaning to "getting flamed" "Modiano, Victor" wrote: > > Suzanne > > Can I interest you in a couple of fire extinguishers or some flameproof > children's clothing? > > Vic M. > > PS Do NOT wear jewelry while operating the torch. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:20 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: warn the fire dept! > > The torch came today!!!!! :o) > Oh, what a fun mail day for me! New birkenstocks, IGGA new > member pack, > and a torch! Yeeeha. Life is good. Better sell something > to pay the > Visa bill. ;o) > > Gotta match? Watch out, I could be dangerous! ;o) > T Suz > -- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 09:23:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: embee@mediaone.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:12:22 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul7.151222.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mary, Again, thanks for a good topic to discuss. Since I've recently done this exercise, I'll be glad to pass along my thoughts. Also, I replied to "Misc" a few minutes ago, and forgot to "sign" the post, but some of my feelings on this subject, are shared there, too. First, dealing "direct", or with some wholesalers ( the one closest to me is a real pain in the a - - .) , is not a warm and fuzzy experience. For the most part, its slam bam, thank you mam! The local wholesaler made it so hard to deal with them, that I changed my original plan to open a retail store / studio, to just opening a studio. Why, well for one thing, I wanted to get the benefit of knowing what sells, in this area, knowing approx. how many dollars I needed to commit to inventory (probably, $35,000 or so, I later found out), and I wanted the general kind of help I'd come to expect from wholesalers/ distributors, in other businesses. Not here! Via phone, I couldn't even get through to speak to anyone. I explained to the twinkie who answered the phone, that I was opening a retail store, planned to spend $35-45,000 in one fell swoop, had a resale #, and a business location, but she REFUSED to put me through to anyone.(BTW, I had the cash in hand for the purchase- I felt like the proverbial man who walks into the house of ill repute with a fist full of hundred dollar bills, and is ignored) I wrote them, and was still ignored. I started to get in the car to drive there, and I thought "wait, what are you doing here"--Like Patrick said in an earlier post, if you won't treat me with respect, you can't have my money. And no matter how well I thought the store would have done, (none for 30 miles) I wasn't going to kiss anyone's a - -, in order to give them my money. As I feel having a wholesaler available for immediate needs was key to being able to compete effectively, I abandoned the idea . The wholesaler screwed themselves out of probably $150,000.00 worth of sales, in just the first year, because of their attitude. Why, unless it made a huge difference, would your friend want to deal with the factory, or a wholesaler. Does she have the ability to receive a 700 lb glass shipment? Does she want to sit around waiting for freight deliveries? Especially if she has a built in market for her work, why put up with all the crap? Just a few "mind droppings" Richard Glassics Artglass Studio Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 09:35:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik3 From: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com (Suzanne Gunn) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Question..marketing Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul7.72621.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wondered: >Im now wondering about how much would >be involved to display a few things at my >neighborhood library? Suzanne.... Around here the libraries are usually thrilled to be able to display the work of local artisans. Does the library have any type of showcases??? I would simply ask to speak with the head librarian and find out what is involved. I doubt seriously it would be much of a hassle. To get more "bang for your buck", so to speak, you might want to wait until the fall, when gift buying season (aka silly season) starts for real! Good luck, and let us know how you make out! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 09:57:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Bungi Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:37:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.1371.0> References: <<1999Jul6.11151.0>> Precedence: bulk Susan Perchelli wrote: > Purchasing anything from anybody anywhere limits you to > what they have > in stock. Duh! Evn Mr. Warner doesn't carry everything! > Also note that > Charles is speaking as a mail order company as well. Pray > tell Albert, > what stained glass retail experience do you have? What > stained glass > experience do you have at all? > Susan, You just questioned Mr. Lewis' "credentials" ... not merely his right to have his opinion. Now, Albert Lewis' "credentials" are well-established, at least to many people on this list. He's a good (even excellent) writer and knows quite a bit about glass, stained glass, glass as an artistic medium, and art in general .... all the above are evidenced by the large number of well-written posts on a variety of glass and glass-related subjects that he's written to this list. He is the prime mover of the IGAA. He knows a LOT of people in the glass biz. He's a very helpful fellow (seems like a pretty nice guy to me anyway), and has done a good deal for the on-line glass community. In general, Mr. Lewis is a very intelligent, likeable, and erudite man even though he and I disagree on a number of topics ... agreement is not a condition for recognition of quality. Looking over YOUR posts (15 in my "archives"), I see you are a rather confrontational type of person. Further, I see little in those 15 posts to indicate you know much about stained glass, and nothing at all to indicate you know anything about stained glass retailing. Moreover, most of what I saw in your posts are caustic one-liners. So, I say a better question is : what do YOU know about retailing in the glass biz? And what do YOU know about stained glass "at all"? YOU are the one whose credentials need to be established here on this list ... not Mr. Lewis. You may know quite a bit, but you haven't shown that HERE ... certainly not on the subjects in question. If I were standing in your shoes ... I'd also spend some time learning a little about polite phrasing. This may be the internet ... but its a very small world. This is not a threat ... just a statement of fact. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 10:11:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Mary" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Buying wholesale Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:41:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.14137.0> Precedence: bulk >>. Spectrum said she should ask her local retailer for a break, but that doesn't sound like the only answer. Any ideas?<< It is my understanding that Spectrum sells to glass wholesalers and they in turn sell to retailers. Spectrum sells by the full unmixed case only and most wholesalers sell by the whole or half sheet of glass. A retailer will break the sheet down into sizes that suit the retail customer. Your local retailer surely gets their glass from a wholesaler and if you are in business you can too. If you need a large volume of glass most retailers will be glad to work with you. If you can give them notice of your needs they may be able to tack your requirements onto their normal order and give you a discount. I am a small retailer. I am continually approached to sell at wholesale to people that want to buy a bit of this and a small piece of that. One guy from a neighboring state wanted a discount on a total purchase of a $1.40 bottle of cutting oil! With enough customers like that I could go out of business. I politely say no and sometimes get their business anyway. As my main income is custom work I see no need to give an unfair advantage to my competation. My main wholesalers have minimum purchase requirements and methods of payment that I must meet rather it is convient to me or not. .............................. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 10:25:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.15222.0> References: <<1999Jul7.2487.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi all, This thread is near and dear to my heart also. What difference does it make if you are earning your total living at SG, or just supplementing your income? I am disabled. This is not my major source of income, but I can't live on my disability. I need to make more money. I can't work outside of the home. So I do craft shows. I seriously do craft shows! About 14 a year. You are all familiar with the amount of product I make to cover that many craft shows. And yes I am making slave wages. I like Suzanne, must get my supplies at wholesale prices, or there is no profit at all. Show fees are going up. Travel expenses go up. Wear and tear on my vechiles. I have overhead!!!!!! Why are we not accepted? I understand I don't have a store and employees to pay for, but I also don't have the ability to make that amount of money. Why can't wholesalers take that into account? Why not let the hobbist turned craftsman in to the wholesale game? I should think if a person had, say 3 retailer, selling their product and they did 6 craft shows a year, that would be an acceptible business. Has America gotten so greedy, that only if you make $1000's a month, you are considered a business? I can see, where this could be a nightmare for the wholesaler. Any Tom Dick or Harry could say they do craft shows. But, if they would just take away the picture of the store front and the yellow page ad as a requirement, then I know I could prove a business. What do we have to do, to get the wholesaler to sell to us??????? Shirley B Mary wrote: > > I am interested in this thread for many reasons. One is that my friend was > told that in order to buy wholesale from Spectrum, for examply, one not only > had to have an occupational license, but proof that stained glass is the > major business. What does one do who makes stained glass to sell, but does > it as an adjunct to another business? In her case, her husband renovates > homes and she makes stained glass for the clients. Spectrum said she should > ask her local retailer for a break, but that doesn't sound like the only > answer. > Any ideas? > I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell > me to wait. > Thanks... Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Gunn > To: Dayle ; > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 1:56 AM > Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker > > > > Well I guess you can read anything you want into Mr. Warner's > statements. It did come off sounding anti-retailer though in my > > > opinion. You just rearranged his words Albert to make it sound innocent > in that respect. I do believe he said "Purchasing > > > locally will greatly limit you to things that someone else approves (the > store owner)." > > > > > > I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." > > > > Charles honestly does defend local retailers to his customers, much more > > than most retailers would ever believe. I know, because he has defended > > them to me more times than I can count...when I didnt think I was > > attacking anyone. > > > > For someone like me with very little capitol... > > with a 190 sq ft studio, I sell everything I make....but I cant order > > glass wholesale, I dont sell supplies....and I cant afford to be in > > business buying from a local retailer. > > > > W/C is the only option for someone like me. > > > > Unfortunately, I want to do glass work, not retail work...so Im screwed > > with the wholesalers so far as I can tell. > > > > If glass is hobby only, and you want to spend your money locally, go for > > it. But if you need to make some money, you cant pay 3X more for > > supplies. It's that simple. I dont know why that is so hard for people > > to understand. > > > > Im not an awful person or cheap, but *I* have to make a profit too. > > If I pay retail prices for my supplies, my work will have to be over > > priced, and no one will buy it. > > > > Tulsa Suzanne > > -- > > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > > > ----Harvey MacKay > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 10:29:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Question..marketing Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:03:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990707120335.009307d0@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk I did a local library show a few years ago. No sales, but a great way to educate. The display was start to finish on a small panel...cartoon, sheet glass, tools, sheet with layout and cut pieces to end finished polished piece. The payoff moment came at local crafts fair long after when someone spoke knowingly about the 'art'...she'd learned about it at the local library! (She also bought a small panel) I asked the librarian not only to select stained glass books to lend, but also on on color, and several on simple line drawing. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 10:42:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: glass Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.15531.0> References: <<1999Jul7.2364.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk What is Chicago? Shirley B Charles R. Clark wrote: > > Mary wrote: > > > > I am interested in this thread for many reasons. One is that my friend was > > told that in order to buy wholesale from Spectrum, > > Why? Why? Why, would one use spectrum when we can have Uroborus, Chicago > and others of that type? > David > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 10:47:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:56:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.15641.0> Precedence: bulk >> Why? Why? Why, would one use spectrum when we can have Uroborus, Chicago and others of that type? David<< Because Spectrum is easier to cut, has a wider variety of glass, costs less and is more widely available. Also, in general, Spectrums line is lighter in tone and considered by many superior for many applications. Ubro and CAC do make some rather nice lamp glasses though. .....................Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 10:56:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Diamond Tech Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:30:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.23030.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Help, I have a Diamond Laser 1000 glass saw. It is old and needs repair. I emailed Diamond Tech twice and have yet to get an answer. How do you contact this company? And do they repair their equipment when the warranty has run out? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 11:40:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: retailers/and a ramble! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:53:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.3531.0> Precedence: bulk I, over the past years have taught, sold supplies, produced shades, sold shades both in volume and for individuals and in general made my skills available without remuneration and thought to time given to most people. For my students, I would get most anything they needed, and tried to dissuade them from "fad" buying. I would try most products before touting them as the "best" item since sliced bread. A few "hot-shots" would come by to pick my brain (slim pickings at times) and condescend to buy a little something, usually after telling me they could not find it elswhere...what an approach. Another gem is to tell me they could buy it cheaper from a mail-order "pseudo wholesaler" (you know who you are) and ask me to MATCH the price. In most cases they also failed to point out the shipping charge.....I never added that in to the SMRP I charged. One super pain, used to wheel and deal (I have a lot of years as a "door-to-door salesman) and chisel as much as possible from me. Last time we crossed paths was on a purchase of a grinder I had in stock......he showed me all the "catalog" prices....I did add freight into the price we settled on, and took a check. He went to remove the grinder from my shop......NO NO NO! I asked him to come back in about 8 days to pick it up. Why should I have to match all the other criteria and still let him have it NOW......I asked him if he wanted OVERNIGHT delivery (extra of course). Lost a customer who took up more time than he was worth. My shade making time is worth a LOT MORE than I can make teaching, awaiting a retail customer, I need not stock very many items, and I have FULL control over my time. I taught for the enjoyment of it. To see a first-timer who has been warned all of their life to "stay away from glass" make a score and break a piece of glass where they wanted it to happen is indeed neat! Because I had been teaching primarily shades, early on I usually pointed out that this in an expensive hobby, and if you have have to count your pennies, perhaps you should be weaving beach grass instead (around here it cheap and plentiful). I still keep an extensive of odd-ball lamp accessories, YES you can get vase caps in .125 increments......some many adapters that I can bush from 8/32 to at least one inch. Some of my students still stop by to "visit" and or buy that ONE sheet of glass they cannot live without. Enough for now.....I have to start soldering the inside of a SOLD 22" nasturtium. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 12:12:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "Dani Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:19:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.101952.0> Precedence: bulk Dani: >Charles is a retailer, too - and as far as I can tell >he's the apex of service to everyone... the guy >oughta write a book on good retailing. There >are lots of folks out there who could learn a thing >or two from him. Thanks for the suggestion, we didn't write a book but we were honored last year when we came out on top in an independent survey of Customer Service. Consequently, our Operations Manager, Chris Brandt was asked to give a seminar on Customer Service at the AGSA Long Beach Convention. In preparation for the 4-hour seminar Chris studied and analyzed our processes which caused us to become even better. This seminar was a big boost to our own customer service as well as it was for the participants. ON A SEPARATE ISSUE: Obviously, I've made a couple of comments that have inflamed a couple of you out there and I'd like to take this opportunity to clarify a few things. Here's what I said in a private e-mail to Sue: "Purchasing locally only, will greatly limit you to things that someone else approves (the store owner). Our greatest difficulty as product designers, importers and wholesalers is the mindset of retail store owners. For the most part retailers do not want to carry anything that is new and do not have the working capitol to fully stock a store." While you're heating up your flame-throwers again, let me explain a little more fully than I had done. What I meant by saying when purchasing locally you are limited to things the store owner's approve is quite simply that they pick their inventory. They use their best judgement and opinions as to what their customers will buy. If they feel suncatchers won't sell, they won't stock them (I know, because at one point I had done that). It makes perfect business sense, but leads into my next statement. The mindset of retail store owners (that they choose what they stock) is also such that they don't want to carry new products. This goes back to the fact that they are often working on a tight budgets and are afraid to risk trying a new product. As many of you know, investing money in inventory is a major expense and if a product doesn't sell, you lose money. It's because of this that retail stores often wait until a product is successful before carrying it. The irony of the situation is that new products won't be successful if the craftspeople aren't exposed to it. I hope I made a little more sense this time. I'm still getting fitted for my asbestos suit, but I'd be happy to clarify anything I missed. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 12:28:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass/what is chicago? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:06:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.4656.0> Precedence: bulk why buy a Cadillac when you can a Yugo? same for glass! Each glass a purpose it more suited for......Would you buy cathedral or gna glass for a Tiffany styled lamp......I sure hope not! Because of crappy workmanship, and using the cheapest glass available (perhaps Spectrum, Armstrong and Wissmach not picking on them, just pointing out the "cost") the imported shades still stand out! May it stay that way! Chicago is a company that makes glass and jewels and other stuff.....They are located in Wisconsin, hence the name CHICAGO! Actually there is a bit more history involved, but I will not pass it on. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 12:42:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Dayle Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:56:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.105647.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dayle >As a retailer, I take offence to these statements as they seem to suggest that buying from your local retailer is not in your best interest.< As with almost anything in life, it always depends on the individual retailer. We have two retailers in my town. One will bend over backwards for any person who walks in the door.... the other is a Royal Jerk and will scalp the public any chance they get. Guess which one is making big bucks - hint: the first is closing their = retail operation. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes, "The gods make no exceptions for good motives.....". Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 12:59:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:56:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.105649.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne Gunn > Btw, I like Meredith an awful lot too, but I didnt hear Jenna being mentioned.< Jenna is a peach, too. But, like Charles, they are probably so busy providing service to customers, they don't have much time to yack on bungi! Me, too.... gotta run.... so many windows to build! Best to all, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 13:14:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Question..marketing Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.5545.0> References: <<1999Jul6.191223.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > Recently I got new better insurance..so Im getting all the health care > work done. > > Got a new potential client while waiting for my mammogram. > Got an order for 5 $45 crosses by the office girls in another clinic. > Tomorrow is my physical...think I will take some pics with me ;o) > > I listen to tons of audio books in my workshop while working. Take my > kids to the library frequently...we frequent our small neighborhood > library (I order inter-library loans online to be delivered there). > > Im now wondering about how much would be involved to display a few > things at my neighborhood library? Could be *way* too big of a hassle > if I have to go through the City/County, but if not, wow...cool > advertising. > > Wonder if making a donation to the library with the request that my card > be within view....would do the same or better? > > Anyone ever done this without it being a huge deal??? Suzanne, This is a cautionary note about expectations. I'm strongly considering doing something similar but I don't expect to get much (if anything) out of it in terms of return on investment. Let me explain. Son #2 (#3 of 4) is one of those "special kids". His teachers have helped him enormously over the last 18 months since he started in this special program. He's changing schools next September and going into a "normal" class. He's kinda sorta one of their success stories though he really only had "language delay" and some behavioral problems (too sensitive and emotional for his own good) and not really handicapped. [Aside : Unless you have been in a similar situation as a parent, you can't POSSIBLY imagine the relief we feel. I worked with severely handicapped people for the better part of a decade on a volunteer basis. Some of them are people with deformities so severe they're not even in the medical textbooks. I know because I looked and I was trained in a related field so I have access to such books. Before my own kid developed problems, I thought I could imagine how those parents felt ... but I was wrong ... no one can imagine how the parents of a "special kid" feels, you have to experience it. In a way its like the old analogy of virgins and sex. ] I'm planning on giving the school a sg panel. I can see it perfectly in my mind ... a tiffany-esque picture (quite a style departure from my usual designs, I'll probably get my Dad, an artist of exceptional ability, to design it for me) of a boy kneeling on the grass in front of a bush looking at a butterfly flying away, with an empty chrysalis on one of the branches of the bush. This is not an investment but a donation, a thank you, and hopefully an inspiration to the special ed teachers in the future because I *know* how trying these little people can be. A reminder that some of these kids will turn out ok in the end ... albeit with a lot of work and even more patience. Still, I'll still attach a brass plaque to it with my web address and so on. Maybe I'll get something out of it ... who knows? However, I *expect* zero to very little return though I will try to write it off my taxes. The point here is : most donations to good causes, or gifts to public institutions, or churches, etc etc etc ... bring in zero to very little for the amount given ... except for goodwill. So don't expect too much in the sense of direct return for investment because there probably won't be any, or very little. When people want to buy a piece of sg, they usually go about it in a different way. I doubt many will say to themselves "I want to get a sg panel and maybe the person who did that piece in the library can do one for me." Instead most will go to their local SG place, or an art/craft show, or something along those lines. Instead, you should give something to the library that you frequent for non-financial reasons and then be pleasantly surprised when/if you get an order or two out of it. Anyway ....... gotta keep movin' ...... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 13:44:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: go.com!the_wright_light From: wright To: soraya@cros.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Question..marketing Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul7.55813.0> Precedence: bulk In Michigan April is stained glass month. I don,t know if that is all over. Maggie the_wright_light@go.com ________________________________________________________ ____ Get your Free GO Network Email address at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 14:12:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:23:08 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199907072027.PAA21848@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk This thread has been lively and interesting, but I can't help but grin to myself each time the subject line (above) appears! Thanks guys, I needed some grins today.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 14:42:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik3 From: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul7.124132.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I definitely concur with what Charles Warner wrote. I would be more than willing to purchase some of my supplies from a local retailer.... unfortunately, I do not have any large retailers anywhere near me. (And, no, I don't even live in the boonies.... I live just north of New Haven, CT). The few small studios, who sell some supplies on the side, do not stock the type of glass I need (fusible and/or dichroic). They tell me they will order it for me. Well, I can order it for me too, and at a fraction of their price. The main advantages of buying from a local retailer for me, would be to have something IMMEDIATELY, and to be able to see it before I buy it. Neither of these options are available if they have to order it. Joan Beadnik Jewelry Creations Connecticut ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 14:55:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.124329.0> References: <<1999Jul7.624.0>> Precedence: bulk > From: Suzanne Gunn > > >The torch came today!!!!! :o) > ... > > >Gotta match? Watch out, I could be dangerous! ;o) > Who needs a match? You coulda just stood outside these last few days in the Northeast. Yesterday, in fact, on the news, I saw a fire department hosing down big propane tanks to keep them cool. Oddly enough, I haven't felt much like soldering the past few days. Had to replace the fan on my computer because the old one wasn't up to the task of keeping the CPU cool now that summer's here, so I wasn't designing anything, either, including the Art Deco fashion plate. Maybe I'll start tonight.... Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 15:40:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Modiano, Victor" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:16:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.131652.0> References: <<1999Jul7.51041.0>> Precedence: bulk I recently made a paperweight. I asked beforehand if I should take my rings off. I was told I didn't have to. Well, I wear a silver ring on my pointer finger, right hand. When the gaffer had his back turned I slipped the ring into my bra. When I got home I had a minor burn. Silver is a good conductor of heat and I found out the hard way. Also, only wear 100% cotton when working with hot glass, but the experts of hot glass know better than me. KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ----- Original Message ----- From: Modiano, Victor To: 'bungi' Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:10 AM Subject: RE: warn the fire dept! | Suzanne | | Can I interest you in a couple of fire extinguishers or some flameproof | children's clothing? | | Vic M. | | PS Do NOT wear jewelry while operating the torch. | | | -----Original Message----- | From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] | Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:20 PM | To: glass@bungi.com | Subject: warn the fire dept! | | The torch came today!!!!! :o) | Oh, what a fun mail day for me! New birkenstocks, IGGA new | member pack, | and a torch! Yeeeha. Life is good. Better sell something | to pay the | Visa bill. ;o) | | Gotta match? Watch out, I could be dangerous! ;o) | T Suz | -- | | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 15:53:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Diamond Tech Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.13435.0> References: <<1999Jul7.23030.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm gonna stick my neck out here and venture a guess that it's probably because Bonnie Heath no longer is employed by Diamond Tech. This girl was a tremendous asset to this company by way of her hands-on contact with distributors such as myself... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Balloch To: Sent: July 7, 1999 12:30 PM Subject: Diamond Tech > Help, > I have a Diamond Laser 1000 glass saw. It is old and needs repair. I > emailed Diamond Tech twice and have yet to get an answer. How do you > contact this company? And do they repair their equipment when the > warranty has run out? > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 16:43:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:28:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990707182859.0069dfa4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1999Jul7.101952.0>> Precedence: bulk Charles, I am so glad that I understood you the first time.... your comments make perfect sense to me.... Must be I have a better head for business than I do for glass. I have been doing glass strickly for my own personal pleasure and therepy (?) for several years and still feel like I don't know a darn thing. I appreciate your thoughts and hope to meet you in August. Barbara At 02:19 PM 7/7/99 -0400, Charles Warner wrote: >Dani: > >>Charles is a retailer, too - and as far as I can tell >>he's the apex of service to everyone... the guy >>oughta write a book on good retailing. There >>are lots of folks out there who could learn a thing >>or two from him. > >Thanks for the suggestion, we didn't write a book but we were >honored last year when we came out on top in an independent >survey of Customer Service. Consequently, our Operations >Manager, Chris Brandt was asked to give a seminar on Customer >Service at the AGSA Long Beach Convention. In preparation for >the 4-hour seminar Chris studied and analyzed our processes >which caused us to become even better. This seminar was a big >boost to our own customer service as well as it was for the >participants. > > >ON A SEPARATE ISSUE: >Obviously, I've made a couple of comments that have inflamed a >couple of you out there and I'd like to take this opportunity to clarify >a few things. > >Here's what I said in a private e-mail to Sue: > >"Purchasing locally only, will greatly limit you to things that someone else >approves (the store owner). Our greatest difficulty as product designers, >importers and wholesalers is the mindset of retail store owners. For the >most part retailers do not want to carry anything that is new and do not >have the working capitol to fully stock a store." > >While you're heating up your flame-throwers again, let me explain a little >more fully than I had done. > >What I meant by saying when purchasing locally you are limited to things >the store owner's approve is quite simply that they pick their inventory. >They >use their best judgement and opinions as to what their customers will >buy. If they feel suncatchers won't sell, they won't stock them (I know, >because >at one point I had done that). It makes perfect business sense, but leads >into >my next statement. > >The mindset of retail store owners (that they choose what they stock) is >also such >that they don't want to carry new products. This goes back to the fact that >they are >often working on a tight budgets and are afraid to risk trying a new >product. As >many of you know, investing money in inventory is a major expense and if a >product doesn't sell, you lose money. It's because of this that retail >stores often >wait until a product is successful before carrying it. > >The irony of the situation is that new products won't be successful if the >craftspeople >aren't exposed to it. > >I hope I made a little more sense this time. I'm still getting fitted for >my asbestos suit, >but I'd be happy to clarify anything I missed. > >Charles Warner >Warner-Crivellaro >http://www.warner-criv.com/ > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 17:15:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Diamond Tech Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:12:59 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul7.231259.0> Precedence: bulk I emailed them last year to find out about where to get a new grinder head locally because I was desperate to get one RIGHT AWAY. They didn't respond by email, they mailed me a leaflet with all the stores in the U.S. that carry their products. I received it 10 days after my email, long after I had located the grinder head on the internet. Just because a company has a website or an email address doesn't mean they've assigned anyone to take care of replying by email. I have found this to be the case A LOT! and it's quite annoying. It's as if they are trying to appear up-to-date and savvy in business by putting up a website but haven't put in the "back office" stuff to carry it through. Brenda << Help, I have a Diamond Laser 1000 glass saw. It is old and needs repair. I emailed Diamond Tech twice and have yet to get an answer. How do you contact this company? And do they repair their equipment when the warranty has run out? >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 17:43:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: New pliers/tapping inside curves/amazing trick learned! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:34:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.15341.0> Precedence: bulk OK... I'm going to show my true newbie status here. When I first bought my SG equipment, I took the store owner's suggestion and bought a pair of those large metal running pliers. Well, they were stiff, hard to open, and when I closed down, they had a sort of skipping thingy making them snap shut rather suddenly. I oiled, he checked, and we both decided they would loosen up in time. Meanwhile, I held my breath every time I used them for something delicate. Today I had enough! I went to another store where I purchase very specialized glass, and she told me about these plastic jobs! Well... I cannot believe the difference. They're unbelievably smooth, weigh about a couple ounces, open and close like tossing a feather in the air, and are simply a delight to use. I have been cutting a pattern which has a LOT of deep circular cuts, and I've not broken one tip! Also.. a question: How come I don't hear anything about tapping? I learned to tap on the innermost curve, holding the glass so lightly that the tapping caused a vibration, sounding almost like a soft bell. I think that technique is what made me so unafraid of inside curves right from the start. Charles (instructor) had his son fashion a tapper which looks like a huge teardrop on a handle, which he coated in rubber (that tool dip stuff). I'm just curious if everyone uses one from time to time. OK.. amazing trick time! I KNOW most of you do this.. but to me, it's simply amazing! I made a panel with a crystal spouted/handled thingy with flowers in it. I used corded glass (don't know name) for the pitcher, and on the back of the panel, made a water line and soldered it so that the pitcher/spout/handle all looked like there was about 3" of water in it. I used my fave glass, Baroque in light blue for the water!! The combination of the textured glass with the swirly "water" is sooooooooo neat!! I also made the stems of the flowers come down into the "water", by soldering them behind the water! 3 LAYERS OF GLASS!! Now.. let me tell you something!! I am AMAZED at how unbelievable it looks! I'm on a mission now to double up glass! I suppose it's a good thing (not a la Martha Stewart "good thing") that I don't invent things. I would totally obnoxious!! :-) I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 17:58:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wholesale and Retail Glass Stores Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:55:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.95558.0> Precedence: bulk As a store owner, I for one say Thank You! When I spend ages talking to someone and helping them out, and then they leave without buying even a token item, I must say it gets really hard to smile and help out the next person. Because I am there for the customers I do put on that smile for the next one, but it sure is hard some days. I appreciate it whenever someone recognises that us store owners are not volunteers. Sorry to say, if I don't earn a decent living I won't be there the next time a customer needs help. A bankrupt and closed business does not help anyone. So I really appreciate people who at least buy a token little something to recognise I spent time helping them. -----Original Message----- From: Pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 1:11 PM Subject: Wholesale and Retail Glass Stores >I have been reading with interest the "Flux Brush" thread. > >Seldom do I ever leave a SG store without buying something. Even if it is >only a $3 or $4 dollar item. I consider this a token of appreciation for the >store owner's effort. > >... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 18:11:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: K See , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.141018.0> References: <<1999Jul7.131652.0>> Precedence: bulk Hey...I dripped solder on my wedding ring not to long ago.. nice scar was left. It was pretty unpleasant. I pretty much wear an all cotton wardrobe to begin with. Oh, can you imagine wearing polyester???? Now thats a scary thought. ;o) In more ways than one! Had a complete physical today. Should have seen the Dr checking out my left arm. All kinds of burn scars. Im right handed. I always burn the left arm or hand. I reached across my right hand which was holding my soldering iron one time. Wont happen again. ;o) Suzanne K See wrote: > > I recently made a paperweight. I asked beforehand if I should take my rings > off. I was told I didn't have to. Well, I wear a silver ring on my pointer > finger, right hand. When the gaffer had his back turned I slipped the ring > into my bra. When I got home I had a minor burn. Silver is a good conductor > of heat and I found out the hard way. > > Also, only wear 100% cotton when working with hot glass, but the experts of > hot glass know better than me. > > KSee > > "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" > Twyla Tharp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Modiano, Victor > To: 'bungi' > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:10 AM > Subject: RE: warn the fire dept! > > | Suzanne > | > | Can I interest you in a couple of fire extinguishers or some flameproof > | children's clothing? > | > | Vic M. > | > | PS Do NOT wear jewelry while operating the torch. > | > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] > | Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:20 PM > | To: glass@bungi.com > | Subject: warn the fire dept! > | > | The torch came today!!!!! :o) > | Oh, what a fun mail day for me! New birkenstocks, IGGA new > | member pack, > | and a torch! Yeeeha. Life is good. Better sell something > | to pay the > | Visa bill. ;o) > | > | Gotta match? Watch out, I could be dangerous! ;o) > | T Suz > | -- > | > | ---- > | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > | > > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 18:29:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: retailers Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:41:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.124147.0> Precedence: bulk RCall10713 wrote "the little shops where she used to go for patterns, and supplies, are gone. Sure, she can go to Michael's, but don't ask any of those eighteen - year olds anything. They haven't a clue." That gave me the shivers thinking of my only local source of buying glass would be "Hobby Lobby"!? I have the urge to go to Albuquerque to the local retailer right now and buy something! I'll have glass nightmares tonite for sure! I'm insecure and my mommy dressed me funny! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 18:44:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: retailers Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:59:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.125927.0> Precedence: bulk Howard wrote.....I taught for the enjoyment of it. Teaching others is never about money. My father was a cranky ol' bear but teaching brought out the real sweetness in him and still does. I never met anyone who could not get a natural high from teaching another something. It is part of being fully human...animals are imprinted with all the important stuff. Sometimes, I wish some fourth graders were imprinted too, but that's a cranky ol' teacher story. Keep on teaching when you can, I am sure you have touched your students greatly. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 19:15:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:07:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:40:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.104028.0> Precedence: bulk I assume different jurisdictions have different costs and charges for registering a business. But up here in Canada (British Columbia), it does not cost much. In fact it does not cost anything to register for a PST (Provincial Sales Tax) or GST (Goods and Services Tax) number. You have to then file your PST or GST returns once a year (which takes a couple of hours if you have kept your business records like you are supposed to). In fact the the tax rules up here strongly recommend you do have a separate PST for each distinct business. So why not do it? Either you are in business or you are not. If you are, then you should already be keeping the records required in most tax jurisdictions I know for filing the business type sales, value added, or whatever tax return. So it is not even that much effort. For the few hours spent a year (and being honest about the taxes I collect on the final product), I also get the benefit of being able to buy wholesale from many suppliers. Now of course, if one is trying to get around sales taxes, or if one is collecting sales tax and not reporting it, then I guess one would not want to register. But then one would are not be buying wholesale by definition would one? :-) For those wholesalers who have minimum order requirements (such as Spectrum), why not get together with some other glass people in your area and put together an order big enough? When I have a big enough order, I order through Spectrum direct using my PST registration as proof of business status. If it is a piddly little order of Spectrum glass, I use the mid-level pricing my local suppliers give me because I am a registered business. -----Original Message----- From: Mary To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 4:46 AM Subject: buying wholesale >I am interested in this thread for many reasons. One is that my friend was >told that in order to buy wholesale from Spectrum, for examply, one not only >had to have an occupational license, but proof that stained glass is the >major business. What does one do who makes stained glass to sell, but does >it as an adjunct to another business? In her case, her husband renovates >homes and she makes stained glass for the clients. Spectrum said she should >ask her local retailer for a break, but that doesn't sound like the only >answer. >Any ideas? >I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell >me to wait. > Thanks... Mary >----- Original Message ----- >From: Suzanne Gunn >To: Dayle ; >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 1:56 AM >Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker > > >> > Well I guess you can read anything you want into Mr. Warner's >statements. It did come off sounding anti-retailer though in my >> > opinion. You just rearranged his words Albert to make it sound innocent >in that respect. I do believe he said "Purchasing >> > locally will greatly limit you to things that someone else approves (the >store owner)." >> >> >> I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." >> >> Charles honestly does defend local retailers to his customers, much more >> than most retailers would ever believe. I know, because he has defended >> them to me more times than I can count...when I didnt think I was >> attacking anyone. >> >> For someone like me with very little capitol... >> with a 190 sq ft studio, I sell everything I make....but I cant order >> glass wholesale, I dont sell supplies....and I cant afford to be in >> business buying from a local retailer. >> >> W/C is the only option for someone like me. >> >> Unfortunately, I want to do glass work, not retail work...so Im screwed >> with the wholesalers so far as I can tell. >> >> If glass is hobby only, and you want to spend your money locally, go for >> it. But if you need to make some money, you cant pay 3X more for >> supplies. It's that simple. I dont know why that is so hard for people >> to understand. >> >> Im not an awful person or cheap, but *I* have to make a profit too. >> If I pay retail prices for my supplies, my work will have to be over >> priced, and no one will buy it. >> >> Tulsa Suzanne >> -- >> Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. >> >> ----Harvey MacKay >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 19:40:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass/what is chicago? Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:22:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990707212212.0093d5a8@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk >are located in Wisconsin, hence the name CHICAGO! >Actually there is a bit more history involved, but I will not pass it on. >enjoy, H you sure do a good job of raising my curiosity level! WAAAAAH... now I WANT history!!! Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 19:56:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:54:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.105440.0> Precedence: bulk Of course everyone needs to buy where they get the best deal. All I ask as a retailer is that everyone respect my time as part of the "deal". When I know exactly what I want, I often buy wholesale. When I need to ask questions, futz around choosing exactly the "right" sheet of glass, etc. then I go to my local retailer. And I make sure I buy from them at a price appropriate for the time and effort they have spent on me. I know that if I pull the common trick of wasting my local retailers time and then going and using that information or help to buy everything through a wholesaler, in essence I am cheating my local retailer. If enough people do that to the local retailer, they won't be in business next time they are needed. I think it is very similar to problems bungi has discussed before in regards to design time. If someone asks me to design a piece for free, and then goes to somewhere else cheaper to actually get the piece built, then they are cheating me. As a stained glass artist I can control this by insisting on payment for design time. A local retailer often does not have this option. They have to help people up front without asking if the person intends to buy first. I feel it is just polite to recognise the time the retailer has spent. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dayle Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker ... >I dont expect retailers to stop being retailers. I only defend that I >buy my supplies from a variety of places. Local retailers arent the be >all and end all of service and information. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 20:04:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Claudette Jaramillo , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailers Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.154626.0> References: <<1999Jul7.124147.0>> Precedence: bulk Hobby Lobby doesnt bother me a bit. They now carry only spectrum...and before a person starts yelling why in the world would you buy spectrum glass... They have 50% off sales frequently on their glass. I bought a ton of great glass...(yes, spectrum) Got some baroque, and lots of water glass and red cathedral for $2 a ft. Fine by me. My husband used my 20 yr old pattern shears to open a sack of dog food the other day and ruined them...he didnt notice they werent regular scissors... Rather than driving across town to buy them from my local retailer...I drove down the street and got a new pair that are alot nicer than my old ones. (inland btw) They carry canfield solder...and some other decent supplies. Tulsa Suzanne Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > RCall10713 wrote "the little shops where > she used to go for patterns, and supplies, are gone. Sure, she can go to > Michael's, but don't ask any of those eighteen - year olds anything. They > haven't a clue." > > That gave me the shivers thinking of my only local source of buying glass > would be "Hobby Lobby"!? I have the urge to go to Albuquerque to the local > retailer right now and buy something! I'll have glass nightmares tonite for > sure! I'm insecure and my mommy dressed me funny! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 22:17:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Website for Intrastar Glass List has MOVED !!! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:51:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.135153.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, (site is mainly cold glass, with some hot glass bead work in the member galleries, and this is here for those who requested message description of hot glass versus cold glass) As some of you know, the permanent address for the Intrastar Glass List Website has moved to it's permanent location. For those that do not, here is the address, Website: http://glass.intrastar.net So if you have distributed the old temp address to friends, colleagues, etc., or put it in your signature on your email, or other such places, make sure to make the required changes or notification so that your friends can find the new website address or URL. The site has been submitted to the various search engines, lists, directories, etc., about 888 of them all total. Shirley says that her email, well let her tell you, >I'm receiving confirmations from the search engine submissions (in a BIG >way!) My mail notification has been ringing like a Vegas slot >machine! I love it! I will be taking down the old temp site soon, and all new additions/changes/etc. will be made to the new location. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/index.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 22:36:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tim Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.182121.0> References: <<1999Jul7.104028.0>> Precedence: bulk > Now of course, if one is trying to get around sales taxes, or if one is > collecting sales tax and not reporting it, then I guess one would not want > to register. But then one would are not be buying wholesale by definition > would one? :-) I couldnt tell who this was directed to... if me.. I pay my taxes. I report my income. I had one run in with the IRS the year my husband died. We had owned a wine lab. I lost my husband, the lab, and then the IRS thought it would be fun to audit me. lol. You know what they say about death and taxes? It's true. We hadnt done anything wrong....but he was the real business person, I had things in storage from Northern California to Seattle, and ended up with the IRS garnishing my wages and never knowing what I would have from paycheck to paycheck. They never took the same amount. Sometimes I would have a real paycheck, sometimes they saw fit to give me $50 to live on. I dont mess with the IRS. They fight mean. <- said kindly of course. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 23:40:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:20:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:37:09 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.7379.0> Precedence: bulk From: rrk To: Bungi Glass List Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker [Snip] >If I were standing in your shoes ... I'd also spend some >time learning a little about polite phrasing. This may be >the internet ... but its a very small world. This is not a >threat ... just a statement of fact. > >Bob Well said, Bob. There is a saying around here: A polite tongue is the best Teacher. You wouldn't learn much from anywhere otherwise. I guess, there is nothing more one can say about Mr Lewis's "credentials" after what you have said. For anyone in the business of glass knows his contribution to this community. I like to call him, "The Dependable Albert" for that's what he has been to me, a number of times. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 7 23:46:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:47:56 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.84756.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley, you should try out all the nearby wholesale places around you, some of them are quite ok about the qualifications. Some like Jenna Meredith Delphi amd Art Glass House go on a case by case basis. They have been very helpful to me, perhaps you may find them agreeable too. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 1:41 AM Subject: Re: buying wholesale >Hi all, >This thread is near and dear to my heart also. >What difference does it make if you are earning your total living at SG, >or just supplementing your income? >I am disabled. This is not my major source of income, but I can't live >on my disability. I need to make more money. I can't work outside of >the home. So I do craft shows. I seriously do craft shows! About 14 a >year. You are all familiar with the amount of product I make to cover >that many craft shows. And yes I am making slave wages. I like Suzanne, >must get my supplies at wholesale prices, or there is no profit at all. >Show fees are going up. Travel expenses go up. Wear and tear on my >vechiles. I have overhead!!!!!! >Why are we not accepted? I understand I don't have a store and >employees to pay for, but I also don't have the ability to make that >amount of money. Why can't wholesalers take that into account? Why not >let the hobbist turned craftsman in to the wholesale game? I should >think if a person had, say 3 retailer, selling their product and they >did 6 craft shows a year, that would be an acceptible business. Has >America gotten so greedy, that only if you make $1000's a month, you are >considered a business? >I can see, where this could be a nightmare for the wholesaler. Any Tom >Dick or Harry could say they do craft shows. But, if they would just >take away the picture of the store front and the yellow page ad as a >requirement, then I know I could prove a business. >What do we have to do, to get the wholesaler to sell to us??????? >Shirley B > >Mary wrote: >> >> I am interested in this thread for many reasons. One is that my friend was >> told that in order to buy wholesale from Spectrum, for examply, one not only >> had to have an occupational license, but proof that stained glass is the >> major business. What does one do who makes stained glass to sell, but does >> it as an adjunct to another business? In her case, her husband renovates >> homes and she makes stained glass for the clients. Spectrum said she should >> ask her local retailer for a break, but that doesn't sound like the only >> answer. >> Any ideas? >> I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell >> me to wait. >> Thanks... Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Suzanne Gunn >> To: Dayle ; >> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 1:56 AM >> Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker >> >> > > Well I guess you can read anything you want into Mr. Warner's >> statements. It did come off sounding anti-retailer though in my >> > > opinion. You just rearranged his words Albert to make it sound innocent >> in that respect. I do believe he said "Purchasing >> > > locally will greatly limit you to things that someone else approves (the >> store owner)." >> > >> > >> > I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." >> > >> > Charles honestly does defend local retailers to his customers, much more >> > than most retailers would ever believe. I know, because he has defended >> > them to me more times than I can count...when I didnt think I was >> > attacking anyone. >> > >> > For someone like me with very little capitol... >> > with a 190 sq ft studio, I sell everything I make....but I cant order >> > glass wholesale, I dont sell supplies....and I cant afford to be in >> > business buying from a local retailer. >> > >> > W/C is the only option for someone like me. >> > >> > Unfortunately, I want to do glass work, not retail work...so Im screwed >> > with the wholesalers so far as I can tell. >> > >> > If glass is hobby only, and you want to spend your money locally, go for >> > it. But if you need to make some money, you cant pay 3X more for >> > supplies. It's that simple. I dont know why that is so hard for people >> > to understand. >> > >> > Im not an awful person or cheap, but *I* have to make a profit too. >> > If I pay retail prices for my supplies, my work will have to be over >> > priced, and no one will buy it. >> > >> > Tulsa Suzanne >> > -- >> > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. >> > >> > ----Harvey MacKay >> > ---- >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >-- >xŸ>"3 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 00:03:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Fw: warn the fire dept! Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:55:12 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.15512.0> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk I've got a bad habit of holding up small copperfoiled panels, when I'm soldering the outside edges, I know I should have it set up in a little holder or something. Couple of weeks ago, a great *big* blob of hot solder rolled off the edge, right down the inside of my arm broke into a couple of smaller but still big blobs, and settled right in the crook of my elbow! YYEEEOOOOUCCCHHH!! so now I have these interesting scars running down my wrists, and a few more inside my elbow where junkies shoot up. get some interesting looks down at the corner store.... but they all treat me VERY nicely - probably afraid I'm unstable! LOL! Katie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Gunn > To: K See ; > Sent: Thursday, 8 July 1999 10:10 > Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! > > > > Hey...I dripped solder on my wedding ring not to long ago.. > > nice scar was left. It was pretty unpleasant. > > > > I pretty much wear an all cotton wardrobe to begin with. > > > > Oh, can you imagine wearing polyester???? Now thats a scary thought. > > ;o) In more ways than one! > > > > Had a complete physical today. Should have seen the Dr checking out my > > left arm. All kinds of burn scars. Im right handed. I always burn the > > left arm or hand. I reached across my right hand which was holding my > > soldering iron one time. Wont happen again. ;o) > > > > Suzanne > > > > K See wrote: > > > > > > I recently made a paperweight. I asked beforehand if I should take my > rings > > > off. I was told I didn't have to. Well, I wear a silver ring on my > pointer > > > finger, right hand. When the gaffer had his back turned I slipped the > ring > > > into my bra. When I got home I had a minor burn. Silver is a good > conductor > > > of heat and I found out the hard way. > > > > > > Also, only wear 100% cotton when working with hot glass, but the experts > of > > > hot glass know better than me. > > > > > > KSee > > > > > > "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" > > > Twyla Tharp > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Modiano, Victor > > > To: 'bungi' > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:10 AM > > > Subject: RE: warn the fire dept! > > > > > > | Suzanne > > > | > > > | Can I interest you in a couple of fire extinguishers or some > flameproof > > > | children's clothing? > > > | > > > | Vic M. > > > | > > > | PS Do NOT wear jewelry while operating the torch. > > > | > > > | > > > | -----Original Message----- > > > | From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] > > > | Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:20 PM > > > | To: glass@bungi.com > > > | Subject: warn the fire dept! > > > | > > > | The torch came today!!!!! :o) > > > | Oh, what a fun mail day for me! New birkenstocks, IGGA new > > > | member pack, > > > | and a torch! Yeeeha. Life is good. Better sell something > > > | to pay the > > > | Visa bill. ;o) > > > | > > > | Gotta match? Watch out, I could be dangerous! ;o) > > > | T Suz > > > | -- > > > | > > > | ---- > > > | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > | > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > > > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > -- > > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > > > ----Harvey MacKay > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 00:03:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Diamond Tech Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:56:18 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.85618.0> Precedence: bulk From: Shirley Balloch >Help, >I have a Diamond Laser 1000 glass saw. It is old and needs repair. I >emailed Diamond Tech twice and have yet to get an answer. How do you >contact this company? And do they repair their equipment when the >warranty has run out? >Thanks in advance. >Shirley B You might get the right address and contact for your saw from bungi. But I will give you the last resort. Find a motor mechanic who does not charge you an arm and a leg. There are some who don't, and rise up to the challenge of fixing anything. I found one for my grinder. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 00:31:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: BMarhon@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond Tech Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:07:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.20746.0> References: <<1999Jul7.231259.0>> Precedence: bulk > It's as if they are trying to appear up-to-date and savvy in > business by putting up a website but haven't put in the "back office" stuff > to carry it through. I was looking for bead info...and found a site that tells you...dont expect a speedy reply by email. If you want a quick answer call us. Then they go on to say they have alot of phone numbers...so they may not answer right away (hope I have this right) at least this was how I percieved it. I checked their hours of operation, telephoned...and no one ever answered the pnone! ;o) lol.... Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 00:46:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Dayle To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:52:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.215231.0> References: <<37835CD0.E928BF5C@ix.netcom.com>> Organization: Celestial Luminosities Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I don't set the buying requirements to buy wholesale...the wholesalers do. I meet these requirements, therefore I buy wholesale. I run a legitimate stained glass business. I have a storefront which has the proper zoning for operating a business, I pay business insurance, pay business tax, pay for a business phone, pay for advertising, I collect all relevant sales taxes and submit them to the government, I have a business account and the list goes on. These are all facets pertaining to running a business. They all cost money, and in order to run a business you must have or execute them. That is if you want to be taken seriously. And that is what wholesalers are looking for. Individuals who are seriously committed to selling their product. They want to make sure their product is selling in order for them to make money and grow. They can't very well place these requirements on store owners and then turn around and sell to anyone who wants to buy minimally. Are you ligit in my eyes? I don't know. I have no idea as to how you run your business nor am I familiar with the legalities involved in operating a business in the USA. Are you legally required to collect and submit to your State government retail sales tax? In Canada or more specifically in the province I live in, a person involved in selling anything made from tax exempted raw materials for resale to the public is required to collect and submit sales tax to the government on a regular basis. If you are required to do this and don't then I'd have to say no.....you aren't legitimate. I pay taxes on my income as well as collecting and submitting sales tax. Everyone pays taxes on their income, it doesn't necessarily mean they run a business. Suzanne Gunn wrote: > Dayle wrote: > > > > Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > > > I believe what he said was "ONLY purchasing locally...." > > > > Well what he really said was "Purchasing locally only...." but that's just semantics I suppose as it all means the same thing. To > > me the response was clearly not in defense of the local retailer. > > I sympathize with your situation on the need to make money, but you're either in business or you're not. If you're in business > > legitimately then you can purchase materials wholesale. > > How do you define legitimately? I pay taxes on my income, does that > make me legit in your eyes? > > What I can't understand is why some people feel they should be able to > > purchase their glass supplies wholesale when they don't expect the same in other aspects of their lives....or maybe they do. > > What does that mean? How do you know what I expect in other aspects of > my life???? Have we met? ;o) I never said I knew what you expect. Like I said, some people expect to be able to buy their glass supplies wholesale when they do not have a stained glass business. Does this mean they expect to get everything else wholesale as well? If people come into my store and expect me to sell them supplies at my cost, I just wonder ....do they go into other places of business and ask to buy items there at cost as well? > > > > Retailers have a place in our economy. If there were no retailers, how many people do you know would be without employment? > > I never said I wish they'd disapear. I dont know anyone that makes > clothing that pays retail for their fabric. And again, I never claimed you said that you wished retailers would disappear. > > > Think > > about it. Is your income derived solely from the sale of stained glass products without any other source of financial support? > > What does that matter to anyone? A lot of people have more than one job > to survive. I know when I was a Social Worker, I couldnt get by on that > income alone. I held another full time job as well. It matters to the wholesaler. Again, they want to make sure you are a serious business person to sell their product. That's not to say you can't have more than one business or job, as long as you can hire the staff required to run your business to meet their expectations. Most small business people can't do this. They run the business themselves which accounts for the majority of their time. > > > If > > it is, then I'm afraid you won't realize a substantial wage to support yourself unless you do go into business and meet the > > requirements to buy wholesale. Unless you are content to sell your product without accounting for a reasonable fee for your time. > > If that's the case, even then you wouldn't make a decent wage, you'd be working for nothing....not any better than the slave labour > > in China and elsewhere we've been reading posts on. > > It is not my intent to argue with you on this issue Suzanne but rather to create dialogue which will hopefully develop a better > > understanding of what's involved in making a living in this field. > > I make a larger hourly wage than I did as a social worker. > > Apparently, what is involved to make a living in this field is to > sell supplies and try to keep anyone that does stained glass content > to only make a few *extra bucks, or remain a hobbiest. Now that's just not fair. I think you may be frustrated by trying to find a loop hole in order to make more money. It just isn't there. Why should you be allowed to play by different rules? You're either a hobbyist or you're in business. > > > I dont expect retailers to stop being retailers. I only defend that I > buy my supplies from a variety of places. Local retailers arent the be > all and end all of service and information. I never said they were. I was only commenting on the fact that if people don't buy some things locally (if a local retailer is available) then before you know it, the local retailer won't be there, they will have gone out of business. It amazes me that the "Royal Jerk" retailer that Dani referred to where she lives who "will scalp the public any chance they get" is still in business. If a retailer in any business, let alone stained glass, charges more than a reasonable retail price and is a jerk to boot....then don't shop there. In any walk of life you'll find bad apples, but in my opinion it's not the majority. It's just the bad ones that seem to get talked about and remembered and unfortunately the good ones sometimes pay the consequences. Dayle > > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 00:51:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Retail Shop? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:00:58 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.11058.0> Precedence: bulk |This is a reply to Elizabeth's mail. Rather long. Couldn't send it direct, mail bounced. Hello Elizabeth It is more circumstances that forced me into retail. Though we have one quite nearby in SIngapore. When I first caught the stained glass fever I hunted high and low for someone who could spare some basic supplies. But if you remember any of my old posts that was some story. I could not find any, there is very close mouthed approach among the few stained glass shops here (I refuse to call them studios). Actually this attitude of secrecy runs in almost any business here, ask a stationery seller the wholesale address of any particular thing and you get all sorts of evasive answers. Same with stained glass people here. It is perhaps because the people running the operation (I still refuse..... :-)) are more in it as a business and are not artists. And talking of secrecy, remember the time when I was talking of a possible order for 50-60 panel style lampshades, I lurker on this list from around here beat me to it. From what I know he quoted very low prices bought bulk from our dear old Dale and end of story. So secrecy is legitimate around here, I suppose. Anyway, I guy now sometimes buys glass and other supplies from me. So I won't disclose his identity. Anyway, since I could not get any supplies locally, I got it from mail order. Couldn't afford the shipping on glass. So got some foil and started off. I have altogether, two or three dozen panels, suncatchers, shades made of window glass. One student learning candle making made me teach her basic stained glass, a real instance of one eyed leading the blind, and then a few more. My retail base very small, the four guys I taught plus the "glass shops" now and then calling for something they need urgently. I shouldn't define myself as a retailer by right. But since there is no one else that fits the bill, I am one. But I stock mostly for the people I teach, and since I do a lot of variety of panels I like to have a good stockpile of glass colors. Yes, I am mostly dependent on US for supplies, but have found Spectrum glass distributors in Indonesia, so I carry Spectrum mostly, others being far too expensive. And I don't make much money from retail, as it is sg is expensive, and if start adding a healthy profit margin I would only drive away the little that I have. Yes, I believe that teaching is the only way I can promote sg, and improve retail, hoping they come back. I think I should send this as a topic on Bungi "How would I go about promoting Stained Glass in Malaysia on a modest budget" perhaps give a bit of the laydown situation here. Look for the post. I would love to hear your views on it. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 01:19:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dayle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:22:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.212213.0> References: <<37843C9E.D8A50C16@cyberbeach.net>> Precedence: bulk Im too tired to answer this.. Im tired of defending myself. Yes, I collect and pay sales tax when it is required. no, I dont have a separate business phone.... Im legal. Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 02:12:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Shakeel Abedi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:03:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul7.18333.0> Precedence: bulk >>And now I have started mixing and matching colors in the kiln, and I get some pretty wonderful hues. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi<< Pray tell, what do you mean by, *mixing and matching colors in the kiln*? .....Bob (the cool one) Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 02:41:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: The state of Stained Glass in Malaysia- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:47:39 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.124739.0> Precedence: bulk I sent this post to the bungi. I thought it might interest you all too. Dear Bungians I was replying to Elizabeth's post and it occured to me. What better place than Bungi to hammer out a cohesive plan on how to propogate this beautiful art form. Certainly as a retailer I will stand to gain should something like this happen. But believe me, that is the least of the motivating factor for me. I will not *demand* any replies, I have quite rightfully been taken to task for doing just that before. But I request. Let me give a brief outline about the situation of Stained Glass in Malaysia. Malaysia, for those that may not know, is a South East Asian nation, bounded at north by Thailand, and south by Singapore. Technically it is a peninsula as a thin corridor of water separates us from Singapore. Malaysia gained independence in 1957 from the British. And has prospered since. Until two years ago, the economy ws growing at a robust 8 to 9 % and then came the big crash where some of SE Asian countries became almost bankrupt. But this the economy has shown great promises, and contrary to what you may have read, the signs are good, business is picking up. The culture of arts and crafts had never really been very much entrenhced here, except in some very specifically Malaysian arts like Wayang Kulit (Shadow Play) and Layang-Layang (kites) . So when the economic boom began in the early 80's, it created new jobs and almost overnight improved the standard of living. But it came at a cost, people had less time to spare to annything that did not pay. The children were told to stop fooling around, that being good at painting would not get them a job. People were rich, but not rich enough to indulge in buying authentic pieces of arts, so that culture lagged behind. Also, I suppose, (and this only opinion, as usual, having an opinion on everything under the sun) that when bank balances improve in a very short space of time, they create a desire to decorate the homes and offices. And what happened with Malaysia was exactly that, its arts culture had completely died in the new found drive for wealth. And when the deisre to beautify homes came there was no proper direction. Suddenly, it why hell should I pay few thousand for the stained glass door when the equally good looking fibre glass substitute (from SGO) at the fraction of the cost? And the problem was that there was no one around to tell them why. Home decorators and other related business people found SGO as more profiting. The arts movement sort of came out of hibernation just a while ago. The theatre is seeing a new wave of talented young artists, the other arts to are slowly picking up. But not enough. There needs to be a push required. I recently got a call from the editor of the national newspaper to do a series of articles in the do-it-yourself line. I am supposed to deliver 10 articles. I have finished 6 so far. I have thought of an article on Stained Glass. But the restriction on making the articles a very easy to do DIY type makes think twice. (anyway Gerry would kill me first and Monona complete the last ritesif I did anything like that :-)) There are about four or five people who deal in stained glass, most are more of importers than anything, and two of them even manufacture their own panels. There is no school. college or institute that teaches stained glass, there are no source for sg supplies. There are no retail suppliers (save me- who barely passes off as one). The nearest one is inSingapore, and with the exchange rate today, AND his naturally high costs, it LOSE-LOSE situation. People are not aware of the difference between a SG panel and a fibre glass outfit. But something needs to be done. If not at the national level at least at the local level at a smaller scale. So my call question call topic for debate (or invitation to flame) is this: How can I improve the SG scene here. How can I create more awareness. Should volunteer to teach at schools, advertise at community gathering holes? What plan of action can I begin with. Enjoy. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 07:09:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Suzanne Gunn' , K See , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: warn the fire dept! Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:50:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.45012.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne Did you get the standard lead test and lecture with your physical. It seems ever since my doctor found out about me doing glasswork it's the lecture and recommended test every visit. My last test was great and the insurance company won't cover nearly as often as the doctor suggests. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:10 PM To: K See; glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! Had a complete physical today. Should have seen the Dr checking out my left arm. All kinds of burn scars. Im right handed. I always burn the left arm or hand. I reached across my right hand which was holding my soldering iron one time. Wont happen again. ;o) Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 07:30:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:23:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.3236.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I have decided I have a really great doctor. I had the most thourough physical Ive ever had. Part of that is age.... I requested to have my lead level checked. My level was 3. Looks like my open windows and fans arent doing too bad a job! Yea! My lead level was actually lower than it was 2 years ago when I was still living in our *old* house that was built in 1924. I hadnt gotten back into stained glass yet. Now to wait for the chest xray results! Oh...the reason the Dr is so popular with me now? The front office girls told me my appointment would have to be rescheduled. But not before I had my kids with a babysitter, changed the appointment to get my car's AC fixed etc.... I needed to talk to the nurse regarding some insurance matters, and requested they let me go ahead and do all the lab work. The nurse came out and took me to the Dr. They didnt have any idea that the fron office was canceling me. The Dr said "No Way" The nurse was telling me privately how glad she was that I requested to see her...as the Dr will "straighten them out now" He was really nice...asked me what happened, I told him, and told him it was the second time it had happened. ;o) He said.."We'll do your physical right *now*" Im glad to hear your test was good Vic, and relieved that mine was. T Suz > "Modiano, Victor" wrote: > > Suzanne > > Did you get the standard lead test and lecture with your physical. > It seems ever since my doctor found out about me doing glasswork it's > the lecture and recommended test every visit. > My last test was great and the insurance company won't cover nearly as > often as the doctor suggests. > > Vic M. > Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:10 PM > To: K See; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: warn the fire dept! > > Had a complete physical today. Should have seen the Dr > checking out my > left arm. All kinds of burn scars. Im right handed. I > always burn the > left arm or hand. I reached across my right hand which was > holding my > soldering iron one time. Wont happen again. ;o) > > Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 08:20:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: retailers Date: Thu Jul 8 07:04:45 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.44245.0> Precedence: bulk >snip< >That gave me the shivers thinking of my only local source of buying glass >would be "Hobby Lobby"!? I have the urge to go to Albuquerque to the local >retailer right now and buy something any one in the cincinnati area having this urge, i will gladly be waiting >tee-hee< debbie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 08:38:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:09:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Wholesale and Retail Glass Stores Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:50:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.55013.0> Precedence: bulk Tim Hopefully you also recognize and appreciate those who come back to buy after not buying anything. I just went stereo shopping for a car that didn't have a cassette deck. The place that got the sale was the second of five stores that were checked. He didn't have the cheapest price but he was in the ball park. He did have a competent staff that answered my questions and did not try to sell me what I didn't want. I think the same thing happened when I bought my grinder and almost every other appliance. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Atwood [mailto:atwoods@aisl.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:56 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wholesale and Retail Glass Stores So I really appreciate people who at least buy a token little something to recognise I spent time helping them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 08:45:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.6346.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shirley Balloch >I can see, where this could be a nightmare for the wholesaler. Any Tom Dick or Harry could say they do craft shows. But, if they would just take away the picture of the store front and the yellow page ad as a requirement, then I know I could prove a business. What do we have to do, to get the wholesaler to sell to us???????< Shirley, I totally sympathise with you. As they say, "Been there...done that." But survived anyway. The local distributor also required photo of a stor= e front, plus the Yellow Pages ad, as well as the usual business license, tax ID, etc. Then you know what? They stopped carrying glass. Said it cost them too much in storage fees and it was not profitable enough. So now they only sell supplies, mostly through mailorder. So, I was forced to look elsewhere for my wholesale glass purchases. In the end, this proved to be sort of a blessing. Found a couple of good= distributors who do sell wholesale without requiring you to send in photo= s of your store front, etc. I was able to easily meet their wholesale purchase requirements. Moral of the story? It pays to shop around. Why not go to the IGGA web site and look up a few distributors somewhere around you? Also keep in mind that most mailorder wholesale companies have wholesale requirements which can be less-restrictive. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 10:14:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:21:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Shakeel Abedi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:17:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.21711.0> Precedence: bulk >>I take two diffrent colors and full fuse them. And viola! I have a color I never imagined before Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi<< Here is a tip that you may like. Seeing as art glass comes at a huge premium in your country it would be good if you used every scrap of glass. By grinding up your left over scraps you can make frit that then be fused on a piece of compatable clear or colored glass. The frit can be sifted by size. You can get some great effects this way and by wasting not want not. .....Bob (the cool one) Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 10:29:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:25:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.22516.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry, a joke taken the wrong way. I should have known better. Taxes are no laughing matter. I know. I used to live in the U.S. The IRS is one of the most vicious tax agencies I have ever had the dubious pleasure of dealing with. By comparison Revenue Canada is a bunch of angels. Angels who want my money, but after IRS hell anything else seems like heaven. Again, sorry if I got a little snarkey there... -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tim Atwood Cc: Bungi Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:20 PM Subject: Re: buying wholesale >> Now of course, if one is trying to get around sales taxes, or if one is >> collecting sales tax and not reporting it, then I guess one would not want >> to register. But then one would are not be buying wholesale by definition >> would one? :-) > > >I couldnt tell who this was directed to... >if me.. >I pay my taxes. I report my income. > ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 10:42:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:04:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.2458.0> References: <<1999Jul7.141018.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > Oh, can you imagine wearing polyester???? Now thats a scary thought. > ;o) In more ways than one! oh I dont know...theres some pretty snazzy clothes out there that are made of some pretty unnatural fabrics....and some of them are even FASHIONABLE...we cant be clothing snobs, eh? But along the polyester line....it CAN melt and very very quickly....so makes sense not to wear it if you are near fire or flame...or for that matter even those nice fleece jackets that people wear camping(egads even the all cotton crowd likes them, "unnatural" as they are) probably shouldnt be worn near campfires, which of course is a very likely place to be wearing them....and some mag I read recently a guy had been in a plane crash and his clothing melted onto him so he said to not fly in polyester...I thought for that matter if you take it that far...dont get in your car in it either because you are more likely to be in a car fire than a plane fire. That seems to be taking it a bit far.... with the rings.... makes sense...I also remember being told by several different types of athletic coach not to wear rings during the event in case I broke a finger the ring would casue the finger to swell, possibly injuring it more AND I would have to have the ring cut off.....I still keep my rings on when I work with horses though..I dont feel like taking them off and on, off and on all the time...only time I take em off is when I work with raw meat to keep from collecting salmonella....oh well...you cant live your life weighing and measuring every risk and making your decisions solely around risk avoidance. although I am the one who goes around making sure other parents know about the hood strings on kids jackets....wont let anyone get on a horse, bike, motorcycle, rollerblades etc etc without a helmet..making sure everyone washes their hands after they touch raw chickens, etc. some things just makes common sense safety wise...some are hedging on the ridiculous..I hate those womens mags that always have a new risk every issue that of course none of us knew about before and of course something flukish with a miniscule risk of actually happening to any of us...I went to lunch with a friend of my daughters and her mother from school yesterday..they wouldnt let the kids int he ballpit at McDonalds becasue of hte germs and that tney had "heard" that some kids pee in there rather than get up and go to the bathroom, they are phobic about public restrooms because of hte germs, have trained their kids to line the toilets with TP before they sit down if they absolutely MUST sit on a public toilet....I couldnt believe it. I cant live my life with that phobic health food store mentality that there is always "something" lurking in everyday substances that will kill, maim or sicken you and the people at the health food stores are the ones "onto" it of course and the rest of the public is just being duped. speak of the fabric thingie...my husband knew a woman from a support group he was in when our daughter was born...she brought over a dress and some booties to match as a gift..well...she read the tag on the booties, found out they were polyester and took them back saying she "couldnt live with herself if she allowed a baby to have them next to her skin" because she had "read", in some health food store book natch, that polyester releases "toxins" into the skin(of course this woman very unnaturally spent her working days injecting water into peoples colons to "flush the toxins out"..yup she was a professional "colonic administrator)....PUUUULLLLEEZZZ.... I am sorry , this is TOTALLY nonglass related..the fabric was just a jumping off point...but the whole Mickey Dees thingie is fresh in my mind and whenever I see "all natural" touted as somehow superior it just sets off something wild in me that makes me wanna SCREAM. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 11:03:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Shakeel Abedi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The state of Stained Glass in Malaysia- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:29:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.22940.0> Precedence: bulk >>How can I improve the SG scene here. How can I create more awareness. Should volunteer to teach at schools, advertise at community gathering holes? What plan of action can I begin with.<< It seems to me that nothing would beat a nice panel on display. What about displaying in the lobby of a bank. Find a place where people with spare money hang out and let them see the real thing. ....................Bob (the cool one) Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 11:13:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: buying wholesale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.8435.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEC960.F3AC601A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wholesalers face a lot of problems dealing with "almost businesses. The two big ones being payment and delivery. Most wholesalers I've dealt with bill at 30, 60 or 90 days. Very few ship COD. They want to be fairly certain that you will still be there (and paying your bills) in the foreseeable future. If you are a "real" (will not define that further) business it is much less likely you will disappear between delivery and payment. (Please do not read any accusations into the above. It is an unwritten policy statement heard from many larger companies.) When I was delivering for a lumber yard we had to schedule a delivery for NST Construction, a "contractor". It seems this "contractor" had a day job and it would be inconvenient for him to accept delivery before 5:00 PM (our closing time). He also wanted part of the order delivered to the work site and the rest to his shop (a one car garage with out a sign on it). And to top it off he would not be able to help unload the lumber and windows and expected it to be stacked at a specific spot around the back on the other side of the driveway. We didn't find out the conditions until after the order was in and we called to schedule delivery. Fortunately Jeff, the manager, dealt with the problems. I just had to listen to the guy bitch while I unloaded the truck and he had to move the stuff in back. My instructions from my foreman and the manager were very specific; "tail gate delivery". He really got them POed. Granted we had done most of the above for long time customers and sometimes even do-it-yourselfers. But never all at once and never without being told before the order was placed. NST caused Jeff to tighten up who qualified for the professional discounts, instituted a schedule of delivery fees and cost a lot of small contractors a discount. We know that a company would not have these problems with us, but how does the company know? When we hire people we check credentials and references. That is what the wholesale houses are doing when they set guidelines for what qualifies as a business. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com Message text written by Shirley Balloch >I can see, where this could be a nightmare for the wholesaler. Any Tom Dick or Harry could say they do craft shows. But, if they would just take away the picture of the store front and the yellow page ad as a requirement, then I know I could prove a business. What do we have to do, to get the wholesaler to sell to us???????< ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEC960.F3AC601A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: buying wholesale

Wholesalers face a lot of problems = dealing with "almost businesses.  The two big ones being = payment and delivery.

Most wholesalers I've dealt with bill = at 30, 60 or 90 days. Very few ship COD. They want to be fairly certain = that you will still be there (and paying your bills) in the = foreseeable  future.  If  you are a "real" = (will not define that further) business it is much less likely you will = disappear between delivery and payment. (Please do not read any = accusations into the above. It is an unwritten policy statement heard = from many larger companies.)

When I was delivering for a lumber = yard we had to schedule a delivery for NST Construction, a = "contractor".  It seems this "contractor" had = a day job and it would be inconvenient for him to accept delivery = before 5:00 PM (our closing time).  He also wanted part of the = order delivered to the work site and the rest to his shop (a one car = garage with out a sign on it). And to top it off he would not be able = to help unload the lumber and windows and expected it to be stacked at = a specific spot around the back on the other side of the driveway. We = didn't find out the conditions until after the order was in and we = called to schedule delivery.

Fortunately Jeff, the manager, dealt = with the problems. I just had to listen to the guy bitch while I = unloaded the truck and he had to move the stuff in back. My = instructions from my foreman and the manager were very specific; = "tail gate delivery". He really got them POed. Granted we had = done most of the above for long time customers and sometimes even = do-it-yourselfers. But never all at once and never without being told = before the order was placed.  NST caused Jeff to tighten up who = qualified for the professional discounts, instituted a schedule of = delivery fees and cost a lot of small contractors a = discount.

We know that a company would not have = these problems with us, but how does the company know? When we hire = people we check credentials and references. That is what the wholesale = houses are doing when they set guidelines for what qualifies as a = business.

Vic M.
Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com 


      Message text written by Shirley = Balloch
      >I can see, where this could be a = nightmare for the wholesaler.  Any Tom
      Dick or Harry could say they do craft = shows.  But, if they would just
      take away the picture of the store = front and the yellow page ad as a
      requirement, then I know I could = prove a business.
      What do we have to do, to get the = wholesaler to sell to us???????<

------_=_NextPart_001_01BEC960.F3AC601A-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 11:44:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glshorse@ior.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:41:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.74158.0> References: <<378A122A.1FE3@ior.com>> Precedence: bulk > > Oh, can you imagine wearing polyester???? Now thats a scary thought. > > ;o) In more ways than one! > > > > oh I dont know...theres some pretty snazzy clothes out there that are > made of some pretty unnatural fabrics....and some of them are even > FASHIONABLE...we cant be clothing snobs, eh? I didnt like them in '71 and I still dont. And now my mother cant *make* me wear them. Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 12:13:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Thu Jul 8 11:25:55 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.9355.0> Precedence: bulk i found your analysis hilarious, as i sit here eating a subway sandwich that was made by a girl you enough to be my grand daughter, with clear plastic gloves one, that she picked up out of a box with her bare hands, put here hands inside, then made the sandwich---do these people not realize they hold the outside of the glove, lay it on the dirty table, and put it on to keep the are sterile??? DUH??? have laughed about this for years debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Suzanne Gunn Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 2:11 PM Subject: re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? >> Oh, can you imagine wearing polyester???? Now thats a scary thought. >> ;o) In more ways than one! > > > >oh I dont know...theres some pretty snazzy clothes out there that are >made of some pretty unnatural fabrics....and some of them are even >FASHIONABLE...we cant be clothing snobs, eh? But along the polyester >line....it CAN melt and very very quickly....so makes sense not to wear >it if you are near fire or flame...or for that matter even those nice >fleece jackets that people wear camping(egads even the all cotton crowd >likes them, "unnatural" as they are) probably shouldnt be worn near >campfires, which of course is a very likely place to be wearing >them....and some mag I read recently a guy had been in a plane crash and >his clothing melted onto him so he said to not fly in polyester...I >thought for that matter if you take it that far...dont get in your car >in it either because you are more likely to be in a car fire than a >plane fire. That seems to be taking it a bit far.... >with the rings.... makes sense...I also remember being told by several >different types of athletic coach not to wear rings during the event in >case I broke a finger the ring would casue the finger to swell, possibly >injuring it more AND I would have to have the ring cut off.....I still >keep my rings on when I work with horses though..I dont feel like taking >them off and on, off and on all the time...only time I take em off is >when I work with raw meat to keep from collecting salmonella....oh >well...you cant live your life weighing and measuring every risk and >making your decisions solely around risk avoidance. although I am the >one who goes around making sure other parents know about the hood >strings on kids jackets....wont let anyone get on a horse, bike, >motorcycle, rollerblades etc etc without a helmet..making sure everyone >washes their hands after they touch raw chickens, etc. some things just >makes common sense safety wise...some are hedging on the ridiculous..I >hate those womens mags that always have a new risk every issue that of >course none of us knew about before and of course something flukish with >a miniscule risk of actually happening to any of us...I went to lunch >with a friend of my daughters and her mother from school yesterday..they >wouldnt let the kids int he ballpit at McDonalds becasue of hte germs >and that tney had "heard" that some kids pee in there rather than get up >and go to the bathroom, they are phobic about public restrooms because >of hte germs, have trained their kids to line the toilets with TP before >they sit down if they absolutely MUST sit on a public toilet....I >couldnt believe it. I cant live my life with that phobic health food >store mentality that there is always "something" lurking in everyday >substances that will kill, maim or sicken you and the people at the >health food stores are the ones "onto" it of course and the rest of the >public is just being duped. >speak of the fabric thingie...my husband knew a woman from a support >group he was in when our daughter was born...she brought over a dress >and some booties to match as a gift..well...she read the tag on the >booties, found out they were polyester and took them back saying she >"couldnt live with herself if she allowed a baby to have them next to >her skin" because she had "read", in some health food store book natch, >that polyester releases "toxins" into the skin(of course this woman very >unnaturally spent her working days injecting water into peoples colons >to "flush the toxins out"..yup she was a professional "colonic >administrator)....PUUUULLLLEEZZZ.... >I am sorry , this is TOTALLY nonglass related..the fabric was just a >jumping off point...but the whole Mickey Dees thingie is fresh in my >mind and whenever I see "all natural" touted as somehow superior it >just sets off something wild in me that makes me wanna SCREAM. > >Liz >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 13:13:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:50:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.45018.0> References: <<3784E2E6.7330559E@ix.netcom.com>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > > Oh, can you imagine wearing polyester???? Now thats a scary thought. > > > ;o) In more ways than one! > > > > > > > > oh I dont know...theres some pretty snazzy clothes out there that are > > made of some pretty unnatural fabrics....and some of them are even > > FASHIONABLE...we cant be clothing snobs, eh? > > I didnt like them in '71 and I still dont. And now my mother cant > *make* me wear them. > > Suzanne > -- > oh I dunno...I sort of LIKED some of those seventies clothes....course I HAVE been told I'm sort of tacky but hey, what do I care??? Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 13:41:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:15:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.11154.0> Precedence: bulk Watching surgeons on TV get gloved has always struck me as absurd. How clean are the gloves of the person putting the glove on them? Why can't they touch the gloves after they washed their hands? As for me I'm basically self destructive. Play with my son in public playgrounds. Swim in a non-chlorinated lake. And today I had a bacon Cheese burger and onion rings for lunch. Can't you hear those arteries clogging? Even use public rest rooms without disinfecting them. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: daver!one.net!kleeman [mailto:daver!one.net!kleeman] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 7:26 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? do these people not realize they hold the outside of the glove, lay it on the dirty table, and put it on to keep the are sterile??? DUH??? have laughed about this for years debbie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 13:43:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:57:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" , "Suzanne Gunn" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:43:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.54341.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry Suzanne, I did not mean to attack you if that is how it came across. I know wholesalers all have different rules. Jurisdictions all have different rules. It really is a pain in the .... Some of my stupid comments about paying taxes could be taken the wrong way in retrospect. Just ignore them please. Just as a suggestion I have found in regards to local business licenses: I used to live in an area with strong restrictions on home based businesses. I could not get a local licence for my home business. It sounds like you are in a similar situation. I could however register provincially as a business. There is no way the city was cross checking and even if they did, how would they know whether the address on the provincial registration was a billing address or an operational address? Many (not all though) wholesalers accepted this. Of course, those which had a "store front" operation as part of their requirements would not (since I in fact did not have a "store front"). Ill considered joke aside - the tax remarks were just saying that if one was already paying business taxes then the additional paperwork was not too bad. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dayle Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 1:24 AM Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker >Im too tired to answer this.. >Im tired of defending myself. >Yes, I collect and pay sales tax when it is required. >no, I dont have a separate business phone.... > >Im legal. > >Suzanne >-- >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 14:49:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:03:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.1335.0> References: <<1999Jul12.2458.0>> Precedence: bulk Read today in a science magazine how dangerous bug zappers can be. Seem the bugs kind of explode and can spray parts in an area of two meters. Plus vaporize and float around. So, to get this on topic, since many of us have smallish work spaces, MOVE THE BUG ZAPPER OUT!!!! of course, I am so delicous that I can just go outside and let designated bug slappers smack the little things into the afterlife. Although I don't feel so good myself afterwards....;^} Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 15:19:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:29:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:30:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.133012.0> Precedence: bulk When we travel, we often stop into stained glass stores. We'll say that we're on vacation and saw the store and just wanted to see their work...the store owners know we're not buying, but, you know, we often have the best conversations...I always thank them for their time and am complimentary about their work, and I often learn a great deal. john just had an idea to revise a pattern, so I suppose I should stop chatting and get to work... Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 15:42:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wholesale and Retail Glass Stores Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:06:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.765.0> Precedence: bulk Yes. And I also appreciate that comparison shopping is a perfectly valid and a smart thing to do. I comparison shop. I also go to multiple places to compare features on different brands. What I was talking about was people who take advantage of the retailers help and time while never having the intent of possibly buying there. I am in a different retail business than the original discussion: I run an art gallery. But I think some parallels can be made. The worst case is the person who takes huge amounts of my time (and therefore money since time is money) looking at various pieces, writing down the name of the artists, etc. And then they leave and go look up the artist in the phone book and contact that person to see if they will pull the piece of art from the gallery and sell it at a lower price direct. Luckily most of our artists recognise this hurts them in the long run. They rarely agree and for that I thank them and I know we are in a lucky position to have such honest artists. -----Original Message----- From: Modiano, Victor To: 'bungi' Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Wholesale and Retail Glass Stores >Tim > >Hopefully you also recognize and appreciate those who come back to buy after >not buying anything. ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 15:51:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: charles@warner-criv.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ng, charles' post re: retailers and flux brushes and being Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:14:13 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul8.211413.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/7/99 3:13:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, charles@warner-criv.com writes: > I'm still getting fitted for my asbestos suit, I'm a bit concerned about the fashion sense of the men on bungi. One with a glass tutu and now another with an asbestos suit. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 16:05:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Medical questions Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.132044.0> References: <<1999Jul7.5545.0>> Precedence: bulk rrk wrote: > they're not even in the medical > textbooks. I know because I looked and I was trained in a related field so > I have access to such books. I want to put on my medical librarian hat now. Medical information is available to all, and easier to come by than ever. Consumer medical information is "HOT" right now and as a result, even public libraries have more than they used to, both in terms of materials and in assistance with tough questions. You can search the medical literature online (Search for PubMed on your browser), log into the catalogs of the libraries at medical schools, then ask your public library to get what you need on interlibrary loan (if you don't go to the medical library yourself!) There's a lot on the internet, too, although you have to be careful. Many organizations have useful websites, though. Try the sites for organizations like the American Heart Association or American Cancer Society. Don't think you have to be a doctor or a nurse to get "that stuff". Dorothy (who does medical interlibrary loan for a large medical school in her other life) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 16:37:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:18:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.121842.0> Precedence: bulk Hey All... I missed some or most of this discussion as my @#$%^&*(*& former ISP died again and I got bumped off bungi for the umpteenth time... Needless to say I now have a new service.... Anyway I had the same problems when I started in business 2 years ago... Hardly anyone would even talk to me without a Yellow pages ad...If I was running a retail store I could see it but not a home studio... Just to much money per month... I did get started tho with Lincoln Distributers.. They only required $5 for postage, a copy of my sales tax license and a $600 opening order... I had no prob with that.... Once I had made several $600 plus orders under my belt other wholesalers started giving me a break when I faxed invoice copies to them proving I was a REAL business and not a hobbyist trying to get a discount.....There is only 1 wholesaler that to this day wont do business with me cause of the yellow page deal but in my opinion its THIER loss.... Most I've found also do require a minimum spent per year to keep you and thats fine since most are only $1000 per year... If yer really in a business then that shouldnt be a problem...It costs them money to put out catalogs,sale flyers etc and if people dont spend enough then its not worth it to them... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 17:38:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: grinding Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.151054.0> Precedence: bulk Forgot who gave the tip on grinding all edges lightly before getting serious but thanks, with a little caution I don't have to wrap my fingers anymore. Sorry about your bad day Jerri. I'm still laughing about your trip to the store for necessities,snuff, baccy, etc. I'm sure many are still in the dark but I'm in nw GA and can relate perfectly. Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 17:57:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul2.62613.0> References: <<1999Jul1.93520.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk rrk wrote: > > Hello Debbie. This is not a flame ... but some things in > your email bear > correcting. This might seem like a flame, but believe me > this is not. I > reserve that for special and very rare occasions (which this > is not), like when > someone attacks me and I stand to lose something. > > daver!one.net!kleeman@earthlink.net wrote: > > > i don't know if this is correct or not, > > it is not correct > > > but the when i asked the computer nerd i live with about this (he is a > > programmer) > > So what? I do computer programming too, as do other people > on this list (at > least one that I'm certain of). What experience does he > have with legal > matters? I have quite a bit. Most of the programmers I > know wouldn't know a > whereof from a therein . Besides that ... I not only > know how to read > the English language but I speak of what I know and have > verified before I give > an opinion on a legal issue. Why don't you print out the > following excerpt from > the Yahoo TOS in question (now apparently changed in some > minor details), which > he evidently never read (or didn't understand) before he > gave the opinion you > quoted him on, and see if he doesn't change his mind. I'll > bet he DOES change > his mind once he READS the TOS in question. > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > 8. CONTENT SUBMITTED TO YAHOO > > By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you > automatically grant, or warrant that the owner of > such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the > royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive > and fully sublicensable right and license to use, > reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, > create derivative works from, distribute, perform > and display such Content (in whole or part) > worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works > in any form, media, or technology now known or > later developed. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > he said it is a disclaimer for yahoo to not get sued-- > > The above is NOT a "disclaimer" ... sorry. It SPECIFICALLY > lays claims to any > and all works placed on their servers. > > That *may* have been Yahoo's ORIGINAL intent. But their > *intent* is something > known only to the Master of the Universe. What counts, is > what they WROTE. > > In law, the only thing that counts is what is in black and > white and signed. > What the Yahoo TOS SAYS, in black and white, is that THEY > can do ANYTHING THEY > WANT with ANYTHING you put on their server *if* you > expressly agree to it. THAT > is what counts. > > OK? > > You do not have to be an attorney to figure that one out. > > > for example, if someone copies something off of mike's site, mike cannot sue > > yahoo for copyright infringement--- > > If that were their intent ... then why doesn't their TOS say > so? Instead, their > TOS says something VERY different. > > > even though it sounds like you are getting the shaft, yahoo is trying to > > protect themselves > > Unfortunately for this point of view, their TOS allows them > to do whatever they > want with any and all your works at their discretion ... > just a wee bit more > than "just trying to protect themselves". > > > now, please don't flame me on any of these, i am only relaying what i was > > told the computer industry feels is happening - IT IS MY OPINION - and only > > my opinion > > Debbie ... when you (or anyone else) express an opinion in a > public forum, > particularly on a legal matter that affects a lot of people, > you must be > prepared to defend it. If you don't like that, then don't > express opinions. > There are (at last report) some 650+ people on this mailing > list ... this is a > public forum no matter how relaxed and laid back it may > seem. > > For example, look at Albert Lewis' writings and see how > carefully they are > worded. He's a good writer too. (That is an opinion I feel > confident no one > will disagree with.) It is clear that HE knows this is a > public forum. > > I bite my tongue quite often when tempted to express an > opinion in a public > forum on legal issues, politically charged issues, and/or > issues with religious > import, because such expression would require me to defend > said opinion and I > decide quite frequently its just not worth the effort. Most > people don't really > want to know anyone else's opinion in the first place and > simply get emotional > when you disagree with them even if they haven't actually > expressed their > opinion. For example, I completely disagree with the > idiotic opinion expressed > by that American ex-patriate living in Mexico. I have lived > in Mexico myself (a > summer) and returned many times since as well as Europe (12 > years) and visited > much of North, West and Central Africa, South America and > Asia (mostly for > teaching) so I have a right to an opinion on the subject. > Instead I chose not > to express an opinion on that subject. > > THIS issue (Yahoo/Geocities) is different and I chose to > speak up (a little) > because Mike Savaad, who has given a lot to the online > stained glass community, > is in a tight spot. > > Actually, if I were in Mike's shoes [HINT HINT HINT HINT > HINT], I'd shut down > the Geocities site and get a virtual server at OLM or > WEBAXXS. For $15/month > you get 400 MB of server storage (thats actually quite a > lot) and around 5 GB > transfer per month (thats a lot of GB's btw) + other stuff > I won't get into. > They're extremely reliable and the cheapest around. Not to > mention that THEY > get all the non-negligible hassles of running a server. > I've been using them > for some time now. Further, Geocities is a TERRIBLE outfit. > > OK ... way past time to go ..... regards to all > (particularly Debbie ) > ........ Bob > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah but then i'd have to pay for it. and since i'm not making any money i would'nt want to pay for it... got to the newsgroup alt.homepages.geocities there's been quite a bit of talk about this.... now i have re-write some of my site and upload it else where. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 18:29:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tim Atwood , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux brushes big profit maker Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:33:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.143333.0> References: <<1999Jul8.54341.0>> Precedence: bulk No problem Tim. I didnt feel like you were attacking me. Mostly I felt attacked by Dayle. I was surprised by the twist this thread took, and I took the bait. My own fault. The only reason I got involved in this thread to begin with was because I like and respect both Albert Lewis and Charles Warner. My comments were only in defense of them. Somehow someone got the idea that I dont buy from retailers, and bitch and moan for not being able to buy wholesale. Im aware that I dont fit most wholesalers criterial...I can live with that for the moment. I work at home, have my kids at home, and am happy. Thats what matters to me. At this point in time, I wouldnt know what to do with a store front if I had one. I will continue to shop where ever I want...that is the beauty of having a choice. Actually, I buy more from friend*s* I have made on bungi than from anyone. Cant imagine why another bungian would have a problem with that. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 18:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:08:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: , , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ng, charles' post re: retailers and flux brushes and being Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:03:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.1035.0> Precedence: bulk Now were did I put that chicken suit and the trapeze? -----Original Message----- From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: charles@warner-criv.com ; glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:02 PM Subject: ng, charles' post re: retailers and flux brushes and being >I'm a bit concerned about the fashion sense of the men on bungi. One with a >glass tutu and now another with an asbestos suit. > ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 19:53:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bungi fashion Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:41:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.174115.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com >fashion sense of the men on bungi.< What about the women?? We have one who solders in the moonlight buck nekked! And you thought the Emperor had nice clothes..... :-D Hahahaha, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 20:16:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ring safety/horror stories (NG) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:01:57 -0700 Message-ID: <199907090201.TAA15931@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk This story is prompted by Suzanne's experience with her "hot" ring and by the following: >with the rings.... makes sense...I also remember being told by several >different types of athletic coach not to wear rings during the event in >case I broke a finger the ring would casue the finger to swell, possibly >injuring it more AND I would have to have the ring cut off.....I still >keep my rings on when I work with horses though..I dont feel like taking >them off and on, off and on all the time...only time I take em off is >when I work with raw meat to keep from collecting salmonella.... Back in the days when I still did Fisheries field work I'd just been married, so returned to my 3 week stint in the bush wearing, for the first time ever, rings, because I was stupidly (but understandably) feeling sentimental. We were beach seining on a remote BC river to apply tags to spawning fish and my rings got caught in the netting as I was trying to untangle a large dog salmon. As luck would have it, the guy on the beach forgot to secure the end of the seine. So, me, the fish, the rings and the seine net were drifting swiftly downstream towards some nasty looking rapids. My knife was on the beach so I couldn't cut myself free. It was a choice between losing the rings or losing my life...managed to get a fold of net under my arm and remove the rings freeing myself from the net. Rings went south with the net and with the fish...they were never replaced and I've never worn rings since. They're downright dangerous, no matter what you're doing. Funny thing is, all the family's heirloom rings seem to end up in my possession. :) Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 20:23:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: my page Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.183223.0> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk i decided to stay on geocities, due to the fact yahoo changed the TOS back. i updated the page, it's a small update - just a bunch of new links. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 21:01:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:34:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990708223410.006b6854@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk The purpose of the gloves are to prevent the spread of hepatitis... only... they will not and are not intended to prevent the transfer of other types of bacteria causing food born illness. Good food handling procedures should be practiced with or without gloves. Within a short time period of donning the gloves one will be able to find the same bacteria one would expect to find on ungloved hands. From what you describe she put on a fresh pair of gloves before she made your sandwich.... that is a good sign. There is a very large difference between "sterile" and "sanitized" or "sanitary". Barbara >hands inside, then made the sandwich---do these people not realize they hold >the outside of the glove, lay it on the dirty table, and put it on to keep >the are sterile??? DUH??? >have laughed about this for years >debbie > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 21:35:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: ng, charles' post re: retailers and flux brushes and being Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:45:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990708224536.006cd44c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1999Jul8.1035.0>> Precedence: bulk And another one that likes "tacky" "70's" polyester clothing... > >>I'm a bit concerned about the fashion sense of the men on bungi. One with >a >>glass tutu and now another with an asbestos suit. >> >... > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 22:30:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: buying wholesale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:00:32 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.7032.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the tip, Bob. Will try it. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; Shakeel Abedi Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 1:27 AM Subject: Re: buying wholesale |>>I take two diffrent colors and full fuse them. And viola! I have a color I |never imagined before |Warm Regards | |Shakeel Abedi<< | |Here is a tip that you may like. Seeing as art glass comes at a huge premium |in your country it would be good if you used every scrap of glass. By |grinding up your left over scraps you can make frit that then be fused on a |piece of compatable clear or colored glass. The frit can be sifted by size. |You can get some great effects this way and by wasting not want not. | |.....Bob (the cool one) | |Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 |Check it out: |http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 8 23:31:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ng, charles' post re: retailers and flux brushes and being Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:13:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul8.211322.0> Precedence: bulk >>>I'm a bit concerned about the fashion sense of the men on bungi. One with >>a glass tutu and now another with an asbestos suit But remember....there is hope....we also have men in kilts!!! Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 01:06:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:19:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.161939.0> References: <<1999Jul8.11154.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Modiano, Victor wrote: > > Watching surgeons on TV get gloved has always struck me as absurd. > How clean are the gloves of the person putting the glove on them? > Why can't they touch the gloves after they washed their hands? > > As for me I'm basically self destructive. Play with my son in public > playgrounds. Swim in a non-chlorinated lake. And today I had a bacon Cheese > burger and onion rings for lunch. Can't you hear those arteries clogging? > Even use public rest rooms without disinfecting them. > > oh Vic you are a man after my own heart:) I get into all KINDS of filthy unsanitary stuff. Buy my food at the plain old grocery store instead of one of those "certified organic" palaces....yeah I wash my produce but I am not going to lose sleep over it either....I dont line the seat of the public toilets with paper before I sit down either( i have a funny story about my mothers friend who got her purse snatched while she was busy hovering over the seat becasue she wouldnt sit down on it, oh no, not even with a TP crown on it to protect her tender buttocks from the germies....she was paying so much attention to not actually letting her skin touch the seat, while still getting everything in that needed to go in, that she somehow missed the guy trotting around and sticking a hook over the doors to snag dangling purses..and she had to repeat the whole story to the nice security people at JC Penneys to try and recover the missing purse..see what happens when you are protecting yourself from miniscule risks?) And gosh...I am a card carrying member of PETA (that People Eating Tasty Animals BTW....not what you probably THINK it stands for:)) love those steaks and ribs...mmmmm..they beat tofu any day.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 01:22:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:24:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.162437.0> References: <<1999Jul8.1335.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Family Account wrote: > > Read today in a science magazine how dangerous bug zappers can be. Seem the > bugs kind of explode and can spray parts in an area of two meters. Plus > vaporize and float around. So, to get this on topic, since many of us have > smallish work spaces, MOVE THE BUG ZAPPER OUT!!!! > > of course, I am so delicous that I can just go outside and let designated > bug slappers smack the little things into the afterlife. Although I don't > feel so good myself afterwards....;^} > > Dorothy > > I have heard about this.....and did you also know that aerosols (thats fancy for spray) can spew into the air as you flush your toilet and if your sink (and therefore toothbrush and cup) are too close they can get a nasty dose of microbes from the flushing toilet?/ Now isnt THAT a happy thought.....not sure what is recommended to do about it...my mother told me this...she of the bubble bath for the chicken before you cook it. She also carries around those little hand sanitizers (which actually encourage more mutations of bacteria BTW which is why I wont use them) along with a miniature can of lysol in her purse to spray around on things in our old friends, the public restrooms..... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 06:49:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retail stores Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 07:24:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.12458.0> Organization: stainedglassdesign.com Precedence: bulk I live in a small town in Illinois. We have one retail shop in the area. I became good friends with the owner (we even went on vacation together) but whenever I would talk about teaching classes or enlarging my scope in glass she would get angry. Well the friendship is gone now and now I teach and sell to my students. So I understand secrecy in the business. I have vowed not to do it, I will be a mentor to anyone who wants to learn. That is part of being a good artist isn't it? Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 07:17:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 3-D figure lamp instructions Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:05:15 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul9.13515.0> Precedence: bulk A few months ago there was a discussion about those awesome 3-D lamps constructed in animal shapes. Are there any instructions or directions or kits for making these? Just curious... Laura HiimLaura@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 07:31:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: pliers-Mary Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:38:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.03844.0> Precedence: bulk I never have heard of the tapping thing. Interesting?! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 08:07:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Fri Jul 9 07:00:27 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.43827.0> Precedence: bulk barbara thank you for your explanation...i do understand all this....i was being funny, but guess i grossly failed debbie what happened to the fun and humor that used to be on this list? debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 12:21 AM Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? > The purpose of the gloves are to prevent the spread of hepatitis... >only... they will not and are not intended to prevent the transfer of other >types of bacteria causing food born illness. Good food handling >procedures should be practiced with or without gloves. > Within a short time period of donning the gloves one will be able to find >the same bacteria one would expect to find on ungloved hands. From what >you describe she put on a fresh pair of gloves before she made your >sandwich.... that is a good sign. > There is a very large difference between "sterile" and "sanitized" or >"sanitary". > >Barbara > > >>hands inside, then made the sandwich---do these people not realize they hold >>the outside of the glove, lay it on the dirty table, and put it on to keep >>the are sterile??? DUH??? >>have laughed about this for years >>debbie >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 08:28:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:08:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Sue Prullage' , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: retail stores Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:50:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.5506.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECA11.F69DE3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sue Not only is it part of being a good artist, it is part of being a growing artist. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctonsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Sue Prullage [mailto:stepsue@ezl.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:25 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: retail stores I will be a mentor to anyone who wants to learn. That is part of being a good artist isn't it? Sue ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECA11.F69DE3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: retail stores

Sue

Not only is it part of being a good = artist, it is part of being a growing artist.

Vic M.
Vmodiano@ctonsoft.com

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Sue Prullage [mailto:stepsue@ezl.com]
      Sent:   Friday, July 09, 1999 9:25 AM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
      Subject:       = Re: retail stores

      I will be a mentor to anyone = who wants to learn.  That is part of being a good = artist isn't it?  Sue

------_=_NextPart_001_01BECA11.F69DE3F0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 09:06:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:07:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: HiimLaura@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 3-D figure lamp instructions Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.7510.0> References: <<1999Jul9.13515.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > > A few months ago there was a discussion about those awesome 3-D lamps > constructed in animal shapes. Are there any instructions or directions or > kits for making these? Just curious... > > Laura > HiimLaura@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass not that i know of, in fact i still hav'nt gotten a response back from that guy. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 09:43:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: "'HiimLaura@aol.com'" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: 3-D figure lamp instructions Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:14:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.71427.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECA1D.BD880D28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rumor has it the artist is coming out with an instructional book but I haven't heard anything else. You can always e-mail him. His address was on the website. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: HiimLaura@aol.com [mailto:HiimLaura@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:05 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: 3-D figure lamp instructions A few months ago there was a discussion about those awesome 3-D lamps constructed in animal shapes. Are there any instructions or directions or kits for making these? Just curious... Laura HiimLaura@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECA1D.BD880D28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 3-D figure lamp instructions

Rumor has it the artist is coming out = with an instructional book but I haven't heard anything else.
You can always e-mail him. His = address was on the website.

Vic M.
Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   = HiimLaura@aol.com [mailto:HiimLaura@aol.com]
      Sent:   Friday, July 09, 1999 9:05 AM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
      Subject:       = 3-D figure lamp instructions


       A few months ago there was a = discussion about those awesome 3-D lamps
      constructed in animal shapes. Are = there any instructions or directions or
      kits for making these? Just = curious...

      Laura
      HiimLaura@aol.com
      ----
      For subscription changes, please mail = to: glass-request@bungi.com
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BECA1D.BD880D28-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 12:10:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Address change Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:55:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.55533.0> Precedence: bulk I am switching isp's and will temporarily need to switch my address to dmbarker66@hotmail.com Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 12:31:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:08:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Sue Prullage" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: retail stores Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.4633.0> Precedence: bulk >>So I understand secrecy in the business. I have vowed not to do it, I will be a mentor to anyone who wants to learn. That is part of being a good artist isn't it? Sue<< At the risk of drawing a lot of heat, I will say that I do not think that mentoring is part of being a good artist. Most top artists that I can think of are not known for sharing. On the other hand a good artist has little to fear from one who is willing to learn from them and might well learn something in return. I think that many of the more secretative people have little to teach and so hold it closely. .....Bob (celabrating over 90 days wihtout a spellchacker) Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 12:43:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Claudette Jaramillo" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Wacking glass Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:17:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.41748.0> Precedence: bulk >>I never have heard of the tapping thing. Interesting?! cj<< Wonderfull simply wonderfull! The message is getting through! Beating on glass is a way to break it in random ways and not in a controlled fashion. Tapping should only be resorted to when other methods fail. If course, that reference to vibration was intersting and bears looking into. .....Bob (celabrating over 90 days wihtout a spellchacker) Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 13:03:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:23:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_208c840d.24b797bb_boundary" Subject: Fwd: 3-D figure lamp instructions Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:21:47 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul9.182147.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_208c840d.24b797bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_208c840d.24b797bb_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: HiimLaura@aol.com From: HiimLaura@aol.com Full-name: Hi imLaura Message-ID: <208c840d.24b7979c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:21:16 EDT Subject: Re: 3-D figure lamp instructions To: esavad@home.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 The reason I ask is because I saw someone at a craft show last weekend who had two of them - small ones - one I think was of a sitting ox - and they looked (peculiarly enough) as if they were not made by the person who was selling them - the soldering, patina, etc. on the items that were obviously made by this crafter were different than that on the ox. Purchased? So much for so called juried shows... --part1_208c840d.24b797bb_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 13:35:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: E's workshop at Meredith Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:11:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.91150.0> Precedence: bulk Who is doing the workshop at Meredith Aug 13-15th, Besides me and Lenore? Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 14:56:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ng, charles' post re: retailers and flux brushes and being Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199907092031.UAA11448@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Ah, yes!!! We also have men in glass tutu's....... ;-> Elisabeth 'n stay-at-homeToby in UK (3 weeks to go!!!) > >>>I'm a bit concerned about the fashion sense of the men on bungi. One > with > >>a glass tutu and now another with an asbestos suit > > But remember....there is hope....we also have men in kilts!!! > > Soraya > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 16:54:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ng, charles' post re: retailers and flux brushes and being Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199907092031.UAA11448@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Ah, yes!!! We also have men in glass tutu's....... ;-> Elisabeth 'n stay-at-homeToby in UK (3 weeks to go!!!) > >>>I'm a bit concerned about the fashion sense of the men on bungi. One > with > >>a glass tutu and now another with an asbestos suit > > But remember....there is hope....we also have men in kilts!!! > > Soraya > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 17:15:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Sparks 'n witchcraft??????? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199907092031.UAA11457@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Despite many odds, Sparks and I met up in London town, had lunch together and spent a hot few hours around the Royal Festival Hall on the South Bank of the River Thames in London. Authorities and weather allowing, she is now stalking ghosts and ghoulies around Stonehenge, before further jorneying to Dartmouth in the West Country. We had a VERY "interesting" encounter with a car park attendant in London, but I will let her tell you the story herself (SHE saw the funny side!!!). The concerts in London went exceedingly well and according to Sparks, Christie has already been afforded "sainthood". (Hey Christie... really looking forward to meeting up with you!!!) My input to Bungi will decrease more and more, as the panic sets in about my departure for USA in just over 3 weeks time. I am so much looking forward to meeting up with you personally, face to face, with whom I have struck up such a rapport and friendship over these last few years. I am equally looking forward to showing you many alternative and simple ways to work in lead during the lead workshops I will be holding across the width and breadth of USA. It's going to be a team-work and me working with you, rather than talking AT you. So don't forget Jenna Meredith (Maryland) TWICE in August Kansas City 10/12 September Seattle 18/19 September Florida 25/26 September (Lenore/lee Boe to agree venue) All details should be available on the special E-Tour web-site that Pamela Burns-Tappan has created. If you want to join a workshop at any of these venue and have problems getting details between now and 30th July, please e-mail me directly off-Group and I will try and help. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 17:35:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: All you hot glasser's check this out Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:36:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.63625.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk http://www.njmgallery.com/pages/t_sand.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 17:49:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG Medical questions Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199907092031.UAA11466@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Thank you Dorothy, I just would like to emphasize this point - and in deed - this truth. Some of you may remember that a couple of years ago I fought a legal battle on behalf of a friend of mine (Susan) about occupational disability. I posted a plea for help on Bungi and the FLOODS of information, references and help I got was just unbelievable. It took me the best part of a year to sift through all the references I received through You Bunch and Monona Rossol. I received inches and inches of written material via snail mail mainly from her, but also from a number of you in Bungi. I was better informed than the UK Government judiciary/medical panel that adjudicated Susan's case, with the result that we won her case. Have I forgotten??? Oh no!! It's all out there - and, yes, it's HOT! Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in UK Dorothy wrote: > rrk wrote: > > > they're not even in the medical > > textbooks. I know because I looked and I was trained in a related field so > > I have access to such books. > > I want to put on my medical librarian hat now. Medical information is available > to all, and easier to come by than ever. Consumer medical information is "HOT" > right now and as a result, even public libraries have more than they used to, > both in terms of materials and in assistance with tough questions. > > You can search the medical literature online (Search for PubMed on your > browser), log into the catalogs of the libraries at medical schools, then ask > your public library to get what you need on interlibrary loan (if you don't go > to the medical library yourself!) > > There's a lot on the internet, too, although you have to be careful. Many > organizations have useful websites, though. Try the sites for organizations > like the American Heart Association or American Cancer Society. > > Don't think you have to be a doctor or a nurse to get "that stuff". > > Dorothy (who does medical interlibrary loan for a large medical school in her > other life) > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 18:07:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "All will be revealed" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199907092031.UAA11454@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Below was an e-mail Suzanne Gunn sent to me off-Group. But because I am really wicked, I thought I would just reply to Bungi. She asked me what tools to bring for the lead workshops. My answer was - a dinner knife - some wooden clothes pegs - a tooth brush - a hard nail brush - and some other things (I've forgotten the exact list now...). Wooden clothes pegs is what in Europe you clip your wet clothes on a washing line with to dry after you have washed them. They consist of 2 flat pieces of wood with rouned edges on one side and held together with a metal spring. It occurred to me that your washing pegs might be different in USA from the ones we use over here. Oh well! Chuck in some English wooden washing pegs into the suitcase as well! Just in case!!! ;-> The USA Customs people WILL have a big surprise when I land..... Elisabeth 'n beginning-to-get-grumpy Toby in UK ( 3 weeks to go!!!) > Elisabeth has been saying :o) > I keep thinking of fortune tellers everytime she says that! ;o) > > I cant help but *see* her with big gold hoop earings a flashy scarf, > peasant top and flouncy skirt....oh yes, and not to forget the coin > necklace! ;o) > > I cant wait to find out what job she has in store for my butter knife! > ;o) > > Now I need to determine if I can carry all the things I will need on the > airplane or if I need to get in early enough to find a "home depot" > near Meredith! ;o) > > Can anyone tell me what a wooden clothes peg is? > Im sooooo excited! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 18:24:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: bungi fashion Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199907092031.UAA11463@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Huh!? What was that!? Who is this Dani talking about??? Just as well nobody can see me NOW, hot 'n sweaty in front of the computer and the inventory list of what to take to USA The Emperor would have taken fright, had a heart attack and died, had he seen...... Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in UK Dani said > Message text written by INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com > >fashion sense of the men on bungi.< > > What about the women?? We have one who > solders in the moonlight buck nekked! And you > thought the Emperor had nice clothes..... :-D > > Hahahaha, > > Dani unquote> ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 18:34:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: If you want to see the 3-D art Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:08:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.8833.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Please check this site out http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 18:45:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Hot Glass Beads Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:02:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.8231.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Hot Glasser's, I am the grateful receiver of a HotHead Torch. It was given to me by a very wonderful person who shall remain nameless, until they decide to reveal themselves, or give me permission to tell ;-). Also got a few packs of some beautiful glass rods ;-) I have been trying it out, doing a very basic beads with Spectrum glass strips, and seem to be getting the idea of how to melt and smooth, and all that, got a crock pot with perlite in it for cooling the beads, only one small little problem, how do you get the beads off the mandrels once they are cool ??? :-( I am using copper coated plain steel rods coated with sludge bead release, I dried the release in the flame like the jar said. They look nice, I guess that I could add some re-strip, and have glass body butterfly garden sticks,,, Although that does not do much for figuring out how to make beads,,, Tried the Dichroic, the HotHead is not hot enough to get a full fuse, although it is better than the plumbers torch. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 19:43:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Re: Stained glass suppliers in OC Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:35:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.73549.0> References: <<71527253.24b7c06e@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Okay, dug up their catalog Beveldine/Came Craft Inc. 12282 Monarch St. Garden Grove, CA 92841 (714)894-8779 (714) 379-9072 Outside California-800-379-9072 fax (714) 379-9075 Hours open Mon-Fri 9-5 Sat. 9-2 Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 02:15 PM Subject: Re: Stained glass suppliers in OC > okay bud, I tried to find the number for Belveldine/came crafts with no > sucess! I would like to go tomorrow, Saturday, but need to know their address > and phone number. Sorry to bug u so on this, but can u get it for me? > nani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 19:46:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Alan Thomas" Subject: Hi all! Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:35:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.133522.0> Precedence: bulk I purposely didn't label this email with "virus warning", as I figured half of you would delete it before even reading. Someone emailed the Worm Virus to me today, with the subject matter "Happy99.exe" or something like that. The sender's name was Rita Tidwell. My Norton Anti-Virus alerted me to it before I opened it. Since I am on two stained glass mailing lists, I'm used to receiving email from people I don't know, so it wasn't out of the ordinary for me to click on the letter. Just be careful, and if you don't have a virus protection program, get one. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 20:08:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Fashion sense Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:54:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.155443.0> Precedence: bulk Long ago, when computers were huge and filled with reed switches, I had a summer job with IBM, in a department called "Reed switch post-adjust". It involved putting the switches in a little round heater, heating the glass until it was "soft" and adjusting the leaves of the switch inside. It's the molten glass part that's important here (also the fact that I was once in the Smithsonain and there was a reed switch in an exhibit and I began to laugh like a crazy person. I'm ready for the walker now, Pa.) At that time, mini skirts were all the vogue. Imagine how long wearing min-skirts to work lasted...A few switches in the lap cured me of THAT. (And riding on my boyfriend's motorcycle...) So now I wear a heavy apron when I solder. Protects my clothes and tender parts. I imagine kilt wearers and tut wearers might want to invest in an apron as well. Asbestos suits need no assistance, and as for the chicken suit...it depends what you plan on doing with that trapeze. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 20:22:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:17:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Bob Duchesneau , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wacking glass Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:56:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.115641.0> References: <<1999Jul9.41748.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Bob, Stop celabrating and use spell check. My turn not to use it. Carol T Bob Duchesneau wrote: > >>I never have heard of the tapping thing. Interesting?! cj<< > > Wonderfull simply wonderfull! The message is getting through! Beating on > glass is a way to break it in random ways and not in a controlled fashion. > Tapping should only be resorted to when other methods fail. If course, that > reference to vibration was intersting and bears looking into. > > .....Bob (celabrating over 90 days wihtout a spellchacker) > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 20:36:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:05:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:16:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.91628.0> References: <<1999Jul12.45018.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I don't know about open flame, but polyester resists flux alot better than cotton does. My make my work aprons out of a polyester blend. And that was after I had eaten up serval moo moo's and cleaning diapers(it is still the best material for polishing your finished work). Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 20:44:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, ahaynie@cchat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: clothing and other safety: how much is enough? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:07:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.979.0> References: <> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > Liz, I heard that are suppose to close the lid before you flush. > > > duh...thats pretty obvious.......ya learn something new every day, even at my age...tee hee Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 20:58:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:41:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: People Eating Tasty Animals Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.923.0> References: <> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Modiano, Victor wrote: > > Liz > > Glad you mentioned People Eating Tasty Animals. I've got a big problem > with their web page. > Where are the recipes??? Who wants to eat raw animal? That's why we > have fire. > Actually had moose burgers and venison hod dogs over fourth of July. > (My wife's cousin > went up to Canada and bagged a moose last fall. I'm invited next time > but at $3000 US > plus transportation it ain't too likely.) > > Let me know who to contact to join the good PETA? > > Vic M. > > oops...thats actually a joke...PETA officially stands for "People for the ethical treatment of animals"...they run around pouring paint on people in furs, discouraging animals research (although I have yet to meet one who would turn down drugs developed on animals to treat their own life threatening illnesses as an act of protest....such as Mary Tyler Moore who I dont see turning down insulin because its availability depended on animal research yet she is one of the most prominent celebrity "animal rights" types around she took out all these ads up in Maine about cruelty to lobsters) and trying to convince everyone that they really dont miss turkey at Thanksgiving while they are eating tofu shaped and flavored like the real thing. When I was on vacation a friends husband made a joke about PETA "really" standing for People eating tasty animals and I thought it was so funny I repeated it. Sorry if I confused you and led you on a fruitless web search.... and dont EVEN get me going on the anti hunters....I live up in Idaho and theres plenty of hunting here except for the odd "activist" who has too much time on their hands. I dont think we were meant to subsist on roots and berries...and having been in a slaughterhouse (a memory I needed to have die down before I could stomach a hot dog for quite a while...hot dogs are the garbage dump of the meat industry) let me tell you, its a whole lot more humane to cleanly shoot an animal than what goes on in the commercial meat packing industry. I dont know what they have all their panties in a wad about so much.....I know people who wont eat meat but have closets full of leather shoes..... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 21:45:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Tapping Glass Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:40:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.19409.0> Precedence: bulk Bearing in mind that I'm very new to glass, I'll explain what I learned about glass tapping. We were told (and I do quite often) that on deep inside curves, to hold the glass with the thumb, ring finger and index finger. The trick is NOT to allow the glass to rest on the area between the thumb and index finger, as this will "muffle" the vibration. Balancing the glass, we tap on the innermost curve several times. Not WHACK for the purpose of breaking it, but tapping it. The sound you hear is almost like one would hear when tapping the edge of a glass as is done when announcing a toast at a dinner. It sounds melodic, not like a thud. The result is almost like using running pliers. You actually see the score deepen and start to run toward both edges. Sometimes I then use the breaking pliers, some other times, if the tapping is really going well, I just keep at it. The closer the glass gets to separating, the "tinnier" the sound becomes, almost thin. Having said all that, I also add that I only use it with very deep curves. The other ones are easy to handle with running pliers. I read about cutting several "c" shaped curves and incrementally removing glass to get to the base of the curve, but with this method, I've not done that. As a matter of fact, the instructor introduced us to tapping directly as a result of my asking about the incremental removal method. He said he seldom, if ever does it that way. So there... all I know about it. Does it sound reasonable? I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 22:13:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:26:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: stained glass books Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:24:55 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jul10.42455.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, Can anyone recommend a book on designing for stained glass, and the use of colors. I have been doing glass for a while and would like to start designing more of my own work and I am just plain bad with colors. Is this something you learn with time or are there books that can help? Thanks for the help. Kathy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 22:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: bungi fashion Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:32:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.18324.0> References: <<199907092031.UAA11463@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk You'd be doing nothing outside my house nekkid! Not unless you hose yourself down with bug repellant first! UGh! Last two days, Ive been a lovely evergreen scent! Gross! My husband came out into my workshop to install....YES.... AN AIR CONDITIONER!!!!!!!!!!!! :o) <---- REAL big smile! Made me a bit nervous when he started cutting a hole in the wall... but it worked and now,...maybe I can start working without the bug spray. Tulsa Suzanne Toby wrote: > > Huh!? > What was that!? > Who is this Dani talking about??? > Just as well nobody can see me NOW, hot 'n sweaty in front of the > computer and the inventory list of what to take to USA > The Emperor would have taken fright, had a heart attack and died, had > he seen...... > > Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in UK > > Dani said > > Message text written by INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com > > >fashion sense of the men on bungi.< > > > > What about the women?? We have one who > > solders in the moonlight buck nekked! And you > > thought the Emperor had nice clothes..... :-D > > > > Hahahaha, > > > > Dani > unquote> > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 23:02:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:37:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Elisabeth's list as told to me... Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:38:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.183826.0> Precedence: bulk Since you said you couldnt remember what all you told me...this is what you told me to bring. > If you have not done any lead work before (?) you will need to bring > your master drawing, a wooden board that is about 2 inches larger on > all sides than your design, 2 wooden battens (i.e. strips) which > won't split when you put nails into them, spare paper, sellotape, > sharpie pens (black, blue and red) a hammer , a wooden clothes peg > (don't laugh!) an old tooth brush, an old nail brush and a common > carburandum stone (the type one sharpens garden shears 'n tools with) > and some ordinary 1/2 inch nails with heads. One last thing, an > old defunct dinner knife with rounded end and not too sharp. Other > odds and sods I will bring myself. > All will be revealed......... BYOB ;o) T suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 9 23:48:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Kathy Mather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass books Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:35:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.15359.0> References: <<1999Jul10.42455.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Kathy Mather wrote: > > Hi folks, > Can anyone recommend a book on designing for stained glass, and the use of > colors. I have been doing glass for a while and would like to start > designing more of my own work and I am just plain bad with colors. Is this > something you learn with time or are there books that can help? Thanks for > the help. > Kathy > > Kathy...SGN had a series within the past few years on designing stained glass by Caroline Kyle (i think thats her first name..anyway...shes very well known)....she got into color wheels and harmony etc etc...I think it covered about a years worth of issues.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 06:44:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: colors-Kathy Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:41:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.1411.0> Precedence: bulk Kathy, My problem with colors is not being able to see new ways to use color. I tend to think like a small child with a 8 color pack of crayons. When I was making my second panel, someone suggested pink for the sand. I know I would have never thought of that, but once I put the pink glass up to the panel I knew it was the right color. But I would have never thought to try it on my own. Besides a book to explain color, I think I appreciate the input of others. I must be improving though, because I did a panel this fall and used a purple and yellow streaky for the earth and it worked great with the blue violet streaky sky. I have also recut parts of my projects, because what I thought would look good, in fact, did not...and I can't stand it when the colors seem to battle each other. Yet, if you would look the colors up on a chart they are supposed to be complimentary. I think the properties of glass change some of the rules of color. One thing I do, now, is put up my glass choices in a window in the kitchen, and look at them for a week or so before I commit to them. I will add and take down colors after looking at them for a while. I have a lot of friends and a large family, so I get many opinions on my color choices this way. Whoever wants will go to the shop and pick out other alternatives for me and put them in the window. I made a large pool table lamp this past winter and the accent color was provided by my husband, who never comments on color (and not someone I would think to turn to first when it comes to color selection....the man only wears brown, navy blue, gray, brown and black!!! Definitely not a bungian!). So IMHO use all available resources when choosing color. But in the end, choose what pleases yourself. I beleive that Carolyn Kyle has a book on design...with color choices as a chapter...I've seen it but don't know the name. I read her articles in SGN also. I am also learning to design...I've done a few things, with a pleasing success so far...but for me it takes a long time. I do the same thing with my pattern as I do with the glass. I put it up on the wall, and then I spend time looking at it...it helps me find what is not pleasing like those rose leaves I wrote about last week...I am continuing to look at the design until I decide what I want to do to correct them. I know what options I have and I will play with them all. Let us know how your first design works. I like to read those lessons learned posts...they always give me food for thought. cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 06:52:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Cold Glass New Pics Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul9.232417.0> Precedence: bulk Good Morning, Got some new pics in Shari's gallery at the Intrastar site. main link http://glass.intrastar.net her gallery link http://glass.intrastar.net/shari/indexpage1.htm Her descriptions: > 1. Sailing: my favorite panel--one I made a couple of years ago from a > GlassSmith Studios pattern. Makes me wish I were sailing... > 2. MomsVictorian is of a Victorian panel I did last summer for a > VERY DEMANDING client--my mother! It was, at the time, the biggest panel I'd > made. > 3. Birdbathmosaic is one of my favorite ways to use up glass scraps--my > birdbath for the backyard... > 4. Glassbird is my most recent pride and joy. I am remodeling my home > in Caribbean motif (not easy to do while living in land-locked Utah!) and > this panel fits in beautifully. Some of the list may remember my suicidal > postings about matching the background baroque and breaking the very last > piece cut--well, it doesn't show too much... Otherwise, I love this one. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 08:14:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Re: Hot Glass Beads Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:33:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.03310.0> References: <<004101beca7c$13882ec0$1d9556d1@com>> Precedence: bulk Dear Lee, Jerri, Joan, Bob, Cherly, Well it looks like I got four garden bead sticks, make that three, broke one while trying to get bead off. I think it was Cherly, that said with copper coated mild steel, if the glass and copper get together, then you have a perfect bond. They are bonded very well, they have been soaking all day yesterday in water, and all last night in water and lime away. And all still stuck solid this morning. I went to the welder supply and got a tube of stainless steel welding rod (hard stuff, had to cut with dremel grinder) yesterday, they will only sell by the pound, $8.68 a pound. How thick do you put the bead release??? I re-read the jar, it is FPI bead release. I just came backup (from garage) from cutting all the stainless rods down to about 12 inches each, so have a bunch of rods now (mandrels), I dipped them each in the bead release, and they are air drying now. I have read of two ways to do the start of the bead, one to heat the release until rid hot, and melt the glass at the same time, and touch them together to start the winding. And two to hold the rod below the flame (have not tried this yet) and melt the glass, and let it droop, and wind it onto the mandrel, as it droops. Which way is better? I am wondering if by putting the mandrel in the flame, was part of the cause of the beads sticking. Been going to all the teaching sites that I can find, and reading about how to make beads,,, Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 09:12:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!dmbarker66 From: "Dawn M. Barker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: All you hot glasser's check this out Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:28:58 CST Message-ID: <1999Jul10.152858.0> Precedence: bulk Oh my, Shirley. Those are gorgeous pictures. *sigh* Talented people. Question for you all: Does anyone know where I can get a torch (starter size, nothing elaborate) in Canada? I'd like to start on some beads and hot glass, but have drawn a blank at my supplier's place. Also - can't be too expensive, because I'm on a verrrry limited budget. And/or sites with some instruction would be good... Thanks! Dawn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 10:42:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:04:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hot Glass Beads Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:02:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.923.0> References: <<004d01becae1$23aac8c0$4989dfd1@imagine>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Bud, You are doing it right. Dip each mandrel twice, don't have to dry between coats, just dip, twirl, dip again. I use a styrofoam brick to hold them as I dip, then let dry (air dry) a couple of hours. Make sure the FPI is consistency of a thick milk shake. Use distilled water to thin, not tap water, too many minerals/other stuff in tap water. It is too thick if the mandrel will stay upright when dipped, just right when it tilts slowly over in the jar. I use larger diameter mandrels and triple dip for some of the pyrex. Don't get the mandrel hot red, just barely cool red when you start to wind on the glass. One pound of stainless steel, 1/16 dia rod is fine, lots of mandrels. This is where I get mine, then cut them down as you did. A small bolt cutter or compound side cutters will cut it. Don't forget to grind smooth the tips (both ends) of the mandrels. Some welding rod has flat spots on the ends, cut those off. Use stainless steel only, not coated with flux or copper. If the mandrel gets kinked or bent, just toss it. A Jewelers 'wax saw blade' makes a good reamer, they come in several diameters. If you have a jewelry supply house near, they are in packs of a dozen, not too expensive. Or you can use a broken ring saw blade ;-). There are commercial reamers too. Use a dremel with the flex shaft attachment to grind/polish any bead ends that are not smooth. I am experimenting with several kinds of glass/colors/pixie dust/mica/dichroic to make 'baroque' beads some are 3 inches long/ 3/4 inch diameter. Bud Britt wrote: > > Dear Lee, Jerri, Joan, Bob, Cherly, > > Well it looks like I got four garden bead sticks, make that three, broke one > while trying to get bead off. I think it was Cherly, that said with copper > coated mild steel, if the glass and copper get together, then you have a > perfect bond. If you want to make garden stakes, use this, some nice large garden or plant stakes can be made with assorted spectrum scraps, melted and wound together. I think it was Carol, or maybe Cheryl that said a mixture of water, calgon bath beads (the foaming kind) and white vinegar makes a good overnight soak. Sorry if I credited this to the wrong person. Mix it in the sink, it foams over when mixed. It also makes it easier to ream out any remaining gunk from the bead release. They are bonded very well, they have been soaking all day > yesterday in water, and all last night in water and lime away. And all still > stuck solid this morning. > > I went to the welder supply and got a tube of stainless steel welding rod > (hard stuff, had to cut with dremel grinder) yesterday, they will only sell > by the pound, $8.68 a pound. > > How thick do you put the bead release??? > > I re-read the jar, it is FPI bead release. I just came backup (from garage) > from cutting all the stainless rods down to about 12 inches each, so have a > bunch of rods now (mandrels), I dipped them each in the bead release, and > they are air drying now. > > I have read of two ways to do the start of the bead, one to heat the release > until rid hot, and melt the glass at the same time, and touch them together > to start the winding. And two to hold the rod below the flame (have not > tried this yet) and melt the glass, and let it droop, and wind it onto the > mandrel, as it droops. Which way is better? I am wondering if by putting the > mandrel in the flame, was part of the cause of the beads sticking. > > Been going to all the teaching sites that I can find, and reading about how > to make beads,,, > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt I also like Super Blue sludge for pyrex work, takes a lot of tugging before it breaks loose. I've tried several kinds of bead release, keep going back to the FPI like it best. I do mix some of my own for special applications. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 13:12:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wacking glass Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.115546.0> References: <<1999Jul9.115641.0>> Precedence: bulk To a figure skating fan "chacking" has specific meaning...i.e., a performance that is not show in the televised version, named after Michael Chack who always seemed to be left off TV, no matter how well he did. So a spellchacker....What spellings are you not showing us? > > > .....Bob (celabrating over 90 days wihtout a spellchacker) > > Dorothy, who, as you know, types so well she never uses one of those newfangled things. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 14:12:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Wacking glass Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: <199907102042.QAA05797@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 7/10/99 3:55 PM Family Account shad@mail2.nai.net > >Dorothy, who, as you know, types so well she never uses one of those >newfangled >things. > Yes, that reminds me of the time you went to the crack fair!!!! :) Suzanne, typesetter in her former life. Bob, how about un-celabrating and bringing back the spellchacker. Or you could hire me for only pennies a day, I would be glad to act as your spellchacker for you. suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 14:20:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:51:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Family Account" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wacking glass Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:48:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.6482.0> Precedence: bulk >>To a figure skating fan "chacking" has specific meaning...i.e., a performance that is not show in the televised version, named after Michael Chack who always seemed to be left off TV, no matter how well he did. So a spellchacker....What spellings are you not showing us? > > > .....Bob (celabrating over 90 days wihtout a spellchacker) > > Dorothy, who, as you know, types so well she never uses one of those newfangled things.<< You have caught me. I am very inventive when it comes to spelling but have learned not to share many of my special spellings. Once, in about the fifth grade, had a teacher that called me out for spelling the same word three different ways on the same sheet of paper. I knew the first two were wrong so went for a third chance. Did not have the heart to tell her. Since I have been using Outlook Express I have been without a spell checker. If anyone knows how to incorporate one I would lke it verry mush. Bob (working on Saturday afternoon to make up for being lazy earlier) Ps: If anyone has seen that beautiful fused leaf I made for the panel I am working on please let me know. It must be there because it doesn't seem to be here. Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 16:12:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Neat site Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:34:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.14343.0> Precedence: bulk http://kissmyglass.pollack.net/ Hi all.. check out above URL. Very interesting stained glass. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 16:21:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bob Duchesneau" Subject: Re: Wacking glass Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:33:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.83331.0> References: <<1999Jul10.6482.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Bob, Outlook Express depends on the Microsoft Office package for it's Spellchecker. If you have MS Word, or Office installed, then you have a spell checker, if not, well then you do not,,, Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; Family Account Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 01:48 PM Subject: Re: Wacking glass > >>To a figure skating fan "chacking" has specific meaning...i.e., a > performance > that is not show in the televised version, named after Michael Chack who > always > seemed to be left off TV, no matter how well he did. > So a spellchacker....What spellings are you not showing us? > > > > > > > .....Bob (celabrating over 90 days wihtout a spellchacker) > > > > > Dorothy, who, as you know, types so well she never uses one of those > newfangled > things.<< > > You have caught me. I am very inventive when it comes to spelling but have > learned not to share many of my special spellings. Once, in about the fifth > grade, had a teacher that called me out for spelling the same word three > different ways on the same sheet of paper. I knew the first two were wrong > so went for a third chance. Did not have the heart to tell her. Since I have > been using Outlook Express I have been without a spell checker. If anyone > knows how to incorporate one I would lke it verry mush. > > Bob (working on Saturday afternoon to make up for being lazy earlier) > > Ps: If anyone has seen that beautiful fused leaf I made for the panel I am > working on please let me know. It must be there because it doesn't seem to > be here. > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 17:17:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tapping Glass Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:45:23 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul10.234523.0> Precedence: bulk I have more successful breaks tapping the glass before using the pliers or runners on difficult curves but also on straight cuts. I have found that on long straight cuts it helps minimize the break running off the score towards the end of the peice if I tap it first. The way I learned it you tap with the ball of your cutter on the underside of the glass as close (but not on) the score line as possible. Many times you can see the score line running while you are tapping. It then breaks out nice and easy. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 22:14:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Kathy Mather" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass books Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.204328.0> Precedence: bulk There is a color book that I picked up,which has helped me eminently...Called "Color Harmony" by Hideaki Chijiiwa. Published by Rockport Publishers. Tons (1662) of colors and he mixes up to 4 color combinations...with all the complementary colors,contrasting hues,similar hues,natural colors,color progressions and all for the low, low price of 15.95. (Must be watching too many infomercials...LOL) It a great book! I think I bought at Ed Hoy's in Chicago. But, I haven't check Amazon could be there. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Mather To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 1:29 AM Subject: stained glass books >Hi folks, > Can anyone recommend a book on designing for stained glass, and the use of >colors. I have been doing glass for a while and would like to start >designing more of my own work and I am just plain bad with colors. Is this >something you learn with time or are there books that can help? Thanks for >the help. > Kathy > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 10 23:42:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass books Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:19:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul10.221916.0> Precedence: bulk >There is a color book that I picked up,which has helped me >eminently...Called "Color Harmony" by Hideaki Chijiiwa. Published by >Rockport Publishers >It a great book! I think I bought at Ed Hoy's in Chicago. But, I haven't >check Amazon could be there Amazon.com and Borders.com say that it is out of print. Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 01:42:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Gloyn@aol.com Subject: Re: Tapping Glass Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:26:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.102619.0> References: <<1999Jul10.234523.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Check that you are applying equal pressure from the start to the finish of your straight cuts. You should not need to tap straight lines unless they are very long or on thick glass. My information is that you tap directly under the score line when you do, as that propagates the fracture directly through the glass. You can also run the cut with cut running pliers by gently squeezing first from one end and then the other end of the score. Steve In message <1999Jul10.234523.0@?>, Gloyn@aol.com writes >I have more successful breaks tapping the glass before using the pliers or >runners on difficult curves but also on straight cuts. I have found that on >long straight cuts it helps minimize the break running off the score towards >the end of the peice if I tap it first. The way I learned it you tap with >the ball of your cutter on the underside of the glass as close (but not on) >the score line as possible. Many times you can see the score line running >while you are tapping. It then breaks out nice and easy. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 02:12:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:44:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Color Harmony1 and 2 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:40:54 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul11.84054.0> Precedence: bulk Looks like this guy can get these titles. check out some of his neon at http://pages.prodigy.com/NEO-SCULPT/102.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 09:57:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Color Harmony w/glass etc Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 08:58:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.15842.0> References: <<1999Jul13.15359.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I was just reading the thread of Kathy Mather's searching for books/info on color harmony, and saw the note that both Border's and Amazon.com indicate the book is out of print. As an alternative, you might want to look in your public library for books on Interior Decorating...many texts have good information on color harmony and include color samples. I always loved the Laura Ashley Decorating catalogs because they showed pictures of rooms with pleasing combinations. Spiegel Catalogs were another source of color harmony information....the furnishings section. Or, think about looking for the "Color Me Beautiful" type of color analysis books...they also have good color harmony information....(and...you might find a correlation between the idea of personal color harmony and the colors that clients gravitate towards or reject off-hand in their glass selection.) The Color Analysis fad is passe, but many of the texts are still in print. Carole Jackson is the author of "Color Me Beautiful.". Doris Pooser still writes (and is currently affiliated with QVC as their online fashion consultant at the iQVC website.) And, last but not least, a handy tool to keep around for color harmony matching is a "PMS" fan....(that's.Print Matching System..not the "other" thing) It looks like a bunch of paint samples that you get from the local home center that have been gathered up with a grommet in one end so they can be fanned out. The PMS fan contains all the colors in two surfaces...shiny and matte. Oh, one more place to look...at your local art supply store...they usually carry many "How To" books, and I found one there years ago on Color....it's been very useful over the years. Happy Hunting.. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 10:11:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: retailers/and a ramble! Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.2512.0> References: <<1999Jul7.3531.0>> Precedence: bulk Dear Howard, I've been reading your story and ROFL. Thank you. You are a pure gem. (ROFL...rolling on floor laughing). Many thanks and best regards, Cheryl Ryder Howard wrote: > I, over the past years have taught, sold supplies, produced shades, sold > shades both in volume and for individuals and in general made my skills > available without remuneration and thought to time given to most people. For > my students, I would get most anything they needed, and tried to dissuade > them from "fad" buying. > I would try most products before touting them as the "best" item since > sliced bread. > A few "hot-shots" would come by to pick my brain (slim pickings at times) > and condescend to buy a little something, usually after telling me they > could not find it elswhere...what an approach. Another gem is to tell me > they could buy it cheaper from a mail-order "pseudo wholesaler" (you know > who you are) and ask me to MATCH the price. In most cases they also failed > to point out the shipping charge.....I never added that in to the SMRP I > charged. > One super pain, used to wheel and deal (I have a lot of years as a > "door-to-door salesman) and chisel as much as possible from me. Last time we > crossed paths was on a purchase of a grinder I had in stock......he showed > me all the "catalog" prices....I did add freight into the price we settled > on, and took a check. He went to remove the grinder from my shop......NO NO > NO! I asked him to come back in about 8 days to pick it up. Why should I > have to match all the other criteria and still let him have it NOW......I > asked him if he wanted OVERNIGHT delivery (extra of course). Lost a customer > who took up more time than he was worth. > My shade making time is worth a LOT MORE than I can make teaching, awaiting > a retail customer, I need not stock very many items, and I have FULL control > over my time. > I taught for the enjoyment of it. To see a first-timer who has been warned > all of their life to "stay away from glass" make a score and break a piece > of glass where they wanted it to happen is indeed neat! > Because I had been teaching primarily shades, early on I usually pointed out > that this in an expensive hobby, and if you have have to count your pennies, > perhaps you should be weaving beach grass instead (around here it cheap and > plentiful). > I still keep an extensive of odd-ball lamp accessories, YES you can get vase > caps in .125 increments......some many adapters that I can bush from 8/32 to > at least one inch. > Some of my students still stop by to "visit" and or buy that ONE sheet of > glass they cannot live without. > Enough for now.....I have to start soldering the inside of a SOLD 22" > nasturtium. > enjoy, H > > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 10:24:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mosaics...Tiffany Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:36:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.23648.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I 've seen some folks inquiring about the making of glass mosaics/stepping stones, and thought I'd share some information I came upon today. In the July'99 "Smithsonian" magazine there is a lengthy article about Maxfield Parrish (1870-1966) who's beautiful scenic paintings were "the rage" for many decades. Like Tiffany, who's art fell out of favor during the "Picasso Years", Parrish's work is being rediscovered, reprinted, displayed, and sought after at extraordinary prices. Well...and here is the Mosaic/Tiffany connection. The Smithsonian Article references a work painted by Parrish, and then executed in Glass Mosaid by Tiffany Studios. It's a huge mural on the wall of the Curtis Center in Philadelphia...100,000 pieces of Favrile Glass executed in 260 colors, 15 feet hight and 50 feet wide. Parrish painted the picture, entitled "Dreamscape" in 1914 and Tiffany finished the mosaic wall in 1915. Wanting to know more about the history of this piece, I picked up my copy of "The Lost Treasures of Louis Comfort Tiffany" and voila! found an entire chapter dedicated to 'Tiffany Mosaics." This book gives a larger history, not only of the "Dreamscape" Mural at the Curtis Center, but also of the Glass Fire Curtain at the Mexican National Theatre in Mexico City. What an inspiration !! I think I may dust off my mosaic cutters...and give this part of our art another try.. Best regards, Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 10:34:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tapping Glass Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 08:31:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.13112.0> References: <<1999Jul11.102619.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Wasn't it the witch in the Hansel & Gretl story that said "Tap, tap, tapping like a little mouse. Who's that tapping at my house?" Tapping glass works for me when: 1) The cut is going to be long and/or thin 2) The glass is difficult to work with: (hard, rippled, thick, or many-layered...as in Chicago Art, Uroboros, and Youghiongheny). 3) The cut is curved . I like to propagate the fracture before using my pliers to separate the sections. Sometimes, as with Bullseye glass (which a I use a lot for roses in my lampshades), the glass is so soft that just a light tap with the ball of my cutter breaks the glass and separates the pieces simultaneously. This action, I've been told by the instructor at the Glass Shoppe, is not a "tap" but a "whap." Got to get the terminology right---hmm..maybe a new subject for a conversation thread....a dictionary of favorite glass-related terms.. (no expletives please). For everything else I hand-break, and frankly, I use my running pliers a lot...I get less finger-tip glass cuts that way... Best regards, Cheryl Ryder. Steve Richard wrote: > Check that you are applying equal pressure from the start to the finish > of your straight cuts. You should not need to tap straight lines unless > they are very long or on thick glass. > My information is that you tap directly under the score line > when you do, as that propagates the fracture directly through the glass. > You can also run the cut with cut running pliers by gently > squeezing first from one end and then the other end of the score. > > Steve > > In message <1999Jul10.234523.0@?>, Gloyn@aol.com writes > >I have more successful breaks tapping the glass before using the pliers or > >runners on difficult curves but also on straight cuts. I have found that on > >long straight cuts it helps minimize the break running off the score towards > >the end of the peice if I tap it first. The way I learned it you tap with > >the ball of your cutter on the underside of the glass as close (but not on) > >the score line as possible. Many times you can see the score line running > >while you are tapping. It then breaks out nice and easy. > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 10:34:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stained glass books Date: Sat, 10 Jul 99 22:00:54 Message-ID: <199907111607.KAA11153@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk >There is a color book that I picked up,which has helped me >eminently...Called "Color Harmony" by Hideaki Chijiiwa. Published by >Rockport Publishers >It a great book! I think I bought at Ed Hoy's in Chicago. But, I haven't >check Amazon could be there Amazon.com and Borders.com say that it is out of print. Soraya ************** goto: bibliofind.com found several at different booksellers.. Hideaki Chijiiwa: Color Harmony ; North Light Books 1987 PB (heavy weight glossy covers) As new condition, a guide to creative color combinations. An excellent reference book, crafts, needlework (2) 7540 Offered for sale by Mountain Laurel Books at US$15.00 Chijiiwa, Hideaki: Color Harmony ; Rockport, 1987, Trade PB VG, Art color combinations (UR#:45255) Offered for sale by Phoenix Books at US$4.95 Chijiiwa : Color Harmony.. ; Color Harmony..Chijiiwa. Rockport Pub, '87, 143 pages, paper, a guide to creative color combinations, step by step guide to choosing and combining colors for artists, fashions designers and anyone else working with color. Dozens of full color photos, intro to color theory palette of 61 basic colors, 1662 combinations, 12 helpful guidelines for choosing your own color schemes Book II , north light books , COLOR (UR#:4847 ) Offered for sale by Hard-to-Find Needlework Books at US$15.95 Chijiiwa, Hideaki: Color Harmony Guide To Creative Color Combinations ; 1989, VG, OVERSIZED PAPERBACK,2215 Offered for sale by East Ridge Used Book Store at US$15.00 Chijiiwa, Hideaki: Color Harmony; A guide to Creative Color Combinations ; Rockport trade PB, 1987, 150 pages, VG+, General # 6 COLOR COMBINATIONS GENERAL # 6 (UR#:2702) Offered for sale by Adventures in Bookselling at US$4.50 You can order right there, and can pay instantly with a credit card or later with a check.. have dealt with this site for about 5 yrs. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 10:47:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Question..marketing Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:10:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.21031.0> References: <<1999Jul7.55813.0>> Precedence: bulk ...mmm..Delphi Stained Glass is in Lansing Michigan...and don't they hold a SG photo contest every year? You send in pictures of you with your work and they put the winners in their next annual catalog...and sometimes into their bi-monthly sales flyers.? Regards, Cheryl wright wrote: > In Michigan April is stained glass month. I > don,t know if that is all over. > > Maggie > the_wright_light@go.com > > ________________________________________________________ ____ > Get your Free GO Network Email address at http://mail.go.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 11:29:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mosaics...Tiffany Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:01:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.10111.0> Precedence: bulk >In the July'99 "Smithsonian" magazine there is a lengthy article about >Maxfield Parrish (1870-1966) who's beautiful scenic paintings were >"the rage" for many decades I love Maxfield Parrish!! I was so happy to see that issue come in the mail..now maybe so many others won't have to ask who he is!! I have had fun experimenting with tryin to come up with patterns based on his works....(so far I haave had a good start with his work "Stars")...maybe one day I will actually make it is glass!! Thanks for the info on the Tiffinay mosiac of Parrish's work... Soraya PS: For a few online pieces of his work..and some unneeded commentary (by me!)... http://www.cros.net/soraya/parrish.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 14:00:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Color books Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.10033.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all... There are a terrific group of color books in every book store's art department. I forget the name, it's obscure anyway, but the book is smallish, about 5" x 4" or so, and is white with bands of color on the front. There are many versions. In each book, they not only group colors in harmony, but also have sections devoted to different eras and the colors that correspond. It also has cultural colorways, etc. This book helped me tremendously in my furniture painting and pottery days. No matter how you want to mix and match colors, they have the tones and hues that are pleasing to the eye. Also, a color wheel is simply the best basic tool. Your hairstylist will most likely be the best person to explain how it is used. We use it on a daily basis, and it's invaluable. With it, you not only understand gradations of color, but also perfect contrasts. No matter which color book you choose, be sure to get a wheel and study it. It will sharpen your eye to underlying tones, warmth, coolness, depth of color, etc. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 14:33:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Soraya" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mosaics...Tiffany Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:56:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.125649.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Soraya" > I love Maxfield Parrish!! I was so happy to see that issue come in the mail..now maybe so many others won't have to ask who he is!!< There is a marvelous book about Sue Lewin that was published a = few years ago - Sue was his model and probably long-time lover and she posed for the majority of his characters, even the paintings that had hundreds of characters! After reading the Lewin bio and seeing the scores of photos that were clearly used for his most famous paintings, it was really an odd feeling looking at the paintings themselves! Wow, you could really see Sue Lewin and I mean everywhere even under the beards! Bizarre. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 17:35:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Thanks Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:54:56 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jul11.235456.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, Thanks so much for all the good ideas on finding info on design and color. As usual you folks have been a very big help. Kathy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 17:49:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: E-TOUR/ Address Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:07:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.1676.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, Can someone please tell what is the address for Elizabeth Tour Page. I was editting my book marks, and deleted it by accident. Hope everyone has had a wonderful day. Thank you in Advance, Tim Byrnes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 18:41:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Tim Byrnes , Bungi Subject: Re: E-TOUR/ Address Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:56:35 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "E-TOUR/ Address" on Jul 11, 20:07, Tim Byrnes writes:] > Can someone please tell what is the address for Elizabeth Tour Page. I > was editting my book marks, and deleted it by accident. It's at: http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/calendar/august.html -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 18:57:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Etour Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:58:14 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Better still see: http://members.xoom.com/GlassArt1/etour3.html -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 19:37:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netphase.net!deskins From: "Lou Deskins" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: stained glass books Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: <199907120157.VAA06330@www.netphase.net> Precedence: bulk ---------- >From: "Candy Thurman" >To: "glass@bungi.com" >Subject: Re: stained glass books >Date: Sat, Jul 10, 1999, 6:00 PM > >>There is a color book that I picked up,which has helped me >>eminently...Called "Color Harmony" by Hideaki Chijiiwa. Published by >>Rockport Publishers > >>It a great book! I think I bought at Ed Hoy's in Chicago. But, I haven't >>check Amazon could be there > >Amazon.com and Borders.com say that it is out of print. > It is not out of print. It is at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0935603069/stainedglasspatt and is sold $12.95 and ships within 24 hours. Lou ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 21:12:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mosaics...Tiffany Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:37:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.193719.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Soraya" > >>I love Maxfield Parrish!! I was so happy to see that issue come in the >>mail..now maybe so many others won't have to ask who he is!!< >>There is a marvelous book about Sue Lewin that was published a >>few years ago - I have it, it is "The Make Believe World of Maxfield Parish and Susan Lewin" by Alma Gilbert. (currently available from Ten Speed Press) The Ms. Gilbert has actually visited my page and made a nice comment. I know what you mean about seeing Sue Lewin in 'every' person Parish painted just about....it is kinda funny once you get used to it!! Take Care, Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 21:40:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:36:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass books Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:38:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.193822.0> Precedence: bulk >>It is not out of print. It is at.... You must have the magic touch.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 21:57:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question..marketing Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:04:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.20410.0> Precedence: bulk Delphi usually holds a contest and shows all the beautiful work from anyone who enters the contest. I don't believe they accept photos though. The winners usually stay in the shop for months for everyone to see. And believe me! It's turns the shop in to the most beautiful gallery in the world!!! There is some amazing artisans in Michigan. Many of the galleries around Oakland County, which is in Michigan, celebrate Glass Art. I visited couple of the galleries, that are located in Pontiac, which celebrates Glass in April. Beautiful shows. There was more Hot Glass, than anything else but was Great and let's me dream. Jill -----Original Message----- From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Question..marketing >...mmm..Delphi Stained Glass is in Lansing Michigan...and don't they >hold >a SG photo contest every year? You send in pictures of you with your >work >and they put the winners in their next annual catalog...and sometimes >into their >bi-monthly sales flyers.? > >Regards, >Cheryl > >wright wrote: > >> In Michigan April is stained glass month. I >> don,t know if that is all over. >> >> Maggie >> the_wright_light@go.com >> >> ________________________________________________________ ____ >> Get your Free GO Network Email address at http://mail.go.com >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 22:19:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mosaics...Tiffany Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:07:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.14756.0> References: <<1999Jul11.10111.0>> Precedence: bulk Oh I hope you do manage to do your Parrish Pattern. Getting the light as he painted it is the hard thing. Have you tried glass plating? I've not tried it yet myself, however I've got the 'hankerin..". Of course, first I have to finish the 22" Elaborate Peony Lampshade (hubby started foiling it's 1000+ pieces today), the 1' x 2' Iris window for a good friend's birthday, and the probable 18" Peony w/matching Bradley Base for a widower parent's impending nuptials sometime early next year. Then, maybe, I can use the glass plating technique on a landscape window I've been dreaming of...an adobe walled garden scene in the Alburquerque/Santa Fe area. I saw a painting recently that "put the bee in my bonnet." Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Soraya wrote: > >In the July'99 "Smithsonian" magazine there is a lengthy article about > >Maxfield Parrish (1870-1966) who's beautiful scenic paintings were > >"the rage" for many decades > > I love Maxfield Parrish!! I was so happy to see that issue come in the > mail..now maybe so many others won't have to ask who he is!! > > I have had fun experimenting with tryin to come up with patterns based on > his works....(so far I haave had a good start with his work "Stars")...maybe > one day I will actually make it is glass!! > > Thanks for the info on the Tiffinay mosiac of Parrish's work... > > Soraya > > PS: For a few online pieces of his work..and some unneeded commentary (by > me!)... http://www.cros.net/soraya/parrish.htm > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 22:54:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:07:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Soraya" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mosaics...Tiffany Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:09:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.1593.0> Precedence: bulk Lucky enough to have an original parrish print.....Not a calendar page. weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 23:03:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question..marketing Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:12:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul11.211223.0> Precedence: bulk I meant to add that on July 21- 24 1999, there is the Grandmother of all Art Fair in Ann Arbor Michigan. Yes, there is quite a few stained glass displays. More and more each year as a matter of fact. This is a juried show with Fine Art and Arts and Crafts. As a matter of fact, it a very tough show to get into. (Several friends have tried) During those 4 days, they figure an average of 100 to 150,000 people a day go thru the beautiful city of Ann Arbor and the campus of University of Michigan. There are artisans from all over the U.S. and many from Canada( cuz its so close.) I have gone for the last 15 years and I am always in awe and dumbfounded by the amazing imagination and skills of the people there. What is really great is the town, is really into the fair too. Between street musicians and scheduled bands, food vendors and sidewalks sales it a relaxing atmosphere, whether rain or shine. Of course, you have to watch out for the children strollers later in the day when it's crowded...can be murder on the back of the shins...LOL Jill So if you can go. It always fires my imagination. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 11 23:14:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: help on pattern Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:54:18 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.85418.0> Precedence: bulk hello to all bungi and thanks for past help! i'm hoping that you may head me in the right direction on finding a pattern for the comedy /tradjety(spelling) seen mostly with theater the happy and sad face a person wanted one on a stepping stone - i could not find the true symbol . any help would be appreciated - thanks in advance ricky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 00:51:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!wmh From: William and Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:04:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990712030402.006bc6bc@scci.net> References: <<1999Jul7.14372.0>> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 04:21:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Two questions Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:35:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.03540.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've noticed *etching* decals and creams in various mail-order SG suppliers. How well do these work? I've started the process of making a Turtle Back lamp shade. Have a bronze mushroom base, the Odyssey form and background glass. I started to order the Turtle backs when I noticed a caution. It would appear that these are best cut with a saw. I don't have one, and am wondering if hand cutting is possible? I realize that skill is an issue but that is always the case with any glass. Suggestions?? Thx, C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 06:22:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Intrastar" Subject: Pricing question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.44530.0> Precedence: bulk I was checking out Ebay, and noticed that most stained glass panels were selling very cheaply. For instance, a 2' x3' panel would be in the $40-60.00 range. Doesn't that seem very inexpensive?? Also, I would love to know a "nutshell" price for starting beadwork. I know I'll hate myself for even developing an interest in it, but the bug has bitten me too! I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please tell me to wait. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 06:46:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: PJ Jellison To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:30:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3789EDFC.3F145DE6@ceps.nasm.edu> Organization: Smithsonian Institution Precedence: bulk Hi All, Anybody have a recommendation on cutters? I've been using one of the "old-fashioned disposable" metal ones (my retailer's description), and I like it, but he is suggesting I might have an easier time with one that delivers oil as you cut, either the pistol-grip or straight kind; he likes both. Is there a difference in ease of handling between the two? My wrist is kind of weak (the result of an encounter with a wildcat many years ago). Do you folks tend to use one type, or do you have a "library" of cutters that you use for different types of glass? Cheers, PJ Jellison (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 07:27:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Bob Duchesneau' , Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Wacking glass Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.52421.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECC69.DA483430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob Greetings from another inventive speller. I had the dubious distinction of being the only student in Honors English to be in danger of failing due to spelling. One paper was returned with the comment: "Imaginative subject. Very imaginative spelling". Another teacher commented that my spelling, while wrong, seemed so correct she had to check her dictionary. Ended up in programming since I couldn't spell. Computers go for consistency not correctness. FYI what you did with "chacking" is a malapropism. Named after a character who always used valid words incorrectly in a non-Freudian manner. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com PS In deference to Dorothy and Suzanne the typesetter. You have caught me. I am very inventive when it comes to spelling but have learned not to share many of my special spellings. Once, in about the fifth grade, had a teacher that called me out for spelling the same word three different ways on the same sheet of paper. I knew the first two were wrong so went for a third chance. Did not have the heart to tell her. Since I have been using Outlook Express I have been without a spell checker. If anyone knows how to incorporate one I would lke it verry mush. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECC69.DA483430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Wacking glass

Bob

Greetings from another inventive = speller.

I had the dubious distinction of being = the only student in Honors English to be in danger of failing due to = spelling.
One paper was returned with the = comment: "Imaginative subject. Very imaginative = spelling".
Another teacher commented that my = spelling, while wrong, seemed so correct she had to check her = dictionary.
Ended up in programming since I = couldn't spell. Computers go for consistency not correctness.

FYI what you did with "chacking" = is a malapropism. Named after a character who always used valid words = incorrectly in a non-Freudian manner.

Vic M.
Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

PS In deference to Dorothy = and Suzanne the typesetter.

      You have caught = me. I am very inventive when it comes to spelling but have
      learned not to share many of my = special spellings. Once, in about the fifth
      grade, had a teacher that called me = out for spelling the same word three
      different ways on the same sheet of = paper. I knew the first two were wrong
      so went for a third chance. Did not = have the heart to tell her. Since I have
      been using Outlook Express I have = been without a spell checker. If anyone
      knows how to incorporate one I would = lke it verry mush.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BECC69.DA483430-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 07:46:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: People Eating Tasty Animals Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:32:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.53224.0> Precedence: bulk There is an actual People Eating Tasty Animals site. Try http://www.mtd.com/tasty Found the site a couple of years ago and thought you knew about it. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Arakelian [mailto:glshorse@ior.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 7:02 PM To: glass@bungi.com; Modiano, Victor Subject: Re: People Eating Tasty Animals oops...thats actually a joke...PETA officially stands for "People for the ethical treatment of animals"... Sorry if I confused you and led you on a fruitless web search.... Liz ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 07:54:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Toby' , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: bungi fashion Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:39:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.53915.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECC6B.EF57D892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Elisabeth Emperors have always been known for poor health, weak constitutions and being not too bright. I'm sure that if the common people had seen you they would be applauding and throwing money and flowers. Vic M. who can't make the E-tour but wants a chance to pick your brain. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 5:25 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: bungi fashion Huh!? What was that!? Who is this Dani talking about??? Just as well nobody can see me NOW, hot 'n sweaty in front of the computer and the inventory list of what to take to USA The Emperor would have taken fright, had a heart attack and died, had he seen...... Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in UK ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECC6B.EF57D892 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: bungi fashion

Elisabeth

Emperors have always been known for = poor health, weak constitutions and being not too bright.
I'm sure that if the common people = had seen you they would be applauding and throwing money and = flowers.

Vic M. who can't make the E-tour but = wants a chance to pick your brain.
Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk= ]
      Sent:   Friday, July 09, 1999 5:25 PM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
      Subject:       = Re: bungi fashion

      Huh!?
      What was that!?
      Who is this Dani talking = about???
      Just as well nobody can see me NOW, = hot 'n sweaty in front of the
      computer and the inventory list of = what to take to USA
      The Emperor would have taken fright, = had a heart attack and died, had
      he seen......

      Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in = UK

------_=_NextPart_001_01BECC6B.EF57D892-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 08:12:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:27:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wacking glass Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:26:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.02631.0> Precedence: bulk >>FYI what you did with "chacking" is a malapropism. Named after a character who always used valid words incorrectly in a non-Freudian manner.<< Yeh, that sounds like me. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 *Capt'n, the spell checker canna take this abuse.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 09:04:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk!studio.stainedglass From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:16:09 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.17169.0> Precedence: bulk At 09:30 12/07/99 -0400, PJ Jellison wrote: >Hi All, > >Anybody have a recommendation on cutters? I've been using one >of the "old-fashioned disposable" metal ones (my retailer's >description), >and I like it, but he is suggesting I might have an easier time with one >that delivers oil as you cut, either the pistol-grip or straight >kind; he likes both. Is there a difference in ease of handling between >the two? My wrist is kind of weak (the result of an encounter with >a wildcat many years ago). Do you folks tend to use one type, or do >you have a "library" of cutters that you use for different types of glass? > Hello PJJ Once you are cutting a lot of opalescent glass you may well find one of the micro-wheeled cutters better than the oldfashioned type. They are cut to a different angle and are more manouverable (sp?). We would usually recommend someone with weak wrists try the pistolgrip cutter in favour of the straight oilfed shape. Most people find it easier to use and less strain on the muscles. EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 10:01:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bob Duchesneau" Subject: Re: Wacking glass Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:04:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.2433.0> References: <<1999Jul12.02631.0>> Precedence: bulk So, I take it that the AutoSpell (spelling checker) is what you needed to fix your spelling malaise (sickness, I think),,, Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; Modiano, Victor Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 07:26 AM Subject: Re: Wacking glass > >>FYI what you did with "chacking" is a malapropism. Named after a character > who always used valid words incorrectly in a non-Freudian manner.<< > > Yeh, that sounds like me. > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > *Capt'n, the spell checker canna take this abuse.* > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 10:23:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "PJ Jellison" Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:17:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.2172.0> References: <<3789EDFC.3F145DE6@ceps.nasm.edu>> Precedence: bulk Hello PJ, I found a little ditty at the glass store that is wonderful for my wrist, it is a short self-oiling barrel, (forgot the name, Jacobson or something cutter, it is a Toyo cutter, I think)with a saddle that fits in the area between your index finger and thumb, the pressure that you used to apply with your index finger and thumb is now coming from the hand (upper palm) itself, infact from the fleshy part. So is much easier on the wrist, and hand. Great for patterns, can take them curves with ease. Took a little to get used to, only now I rarely use the normal barrel type. For another friend on the lists,,, Oh, forgot, ;-), it's one of them newfangled tools, ain't been out for very long, so might not be approved. ;-) Glad to see you posting, my glass friend, ;-), and it do not take two to agree to be friends, only one, who is willing to be friends ;-),,, Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ----- Original Message ----- From: PJ Jellison To: Stained Glass Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 06:30 AM Subject: Any recommendations on new cutter? > Hi All, > > Anybody have a recommendation on cutters? I've been using one > of the "old-fashioned disposable" metal ones (my retailer's > description), > and I like it, but he is suggesting I might have an easier time with one > that delivers oil as you cut, either the pistol-grip or straight > kind; he likes both. Is there a difference in ease of handling between > the two? My wrist is kind of weak (the result of an encounter with > a wildcat many years ago). Do you folks tend to use one type, or do > you have a "library" of cutters that you use for different types of glass? > > Cheers, > PJ Jellison > (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 10:32:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Non Glass Fw: The Senility Prayer Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:28:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.22847.0> Precedence: bulk a little something I got in email,,, :-) The Senility Prayer God, grant me the senility to forget the people I wish I had never met, The ability to remember the people I am glad I know, And the eyesight to tell the difference Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 11:00:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fatarch1@yahoo.com., From: fatarch1@yahoo.com. To: fatarch1@yahoo.com. Subject: One & Only Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:45:44 +0800 Message-ID: <199907121645.AAA21605@weblock.> Precedence: bulk THE AFFILIATE WARS HAVE BEGUN! The One & Only Network announced that throughout the month of June they would pay their associates $4 for each person that signs up for a FREE customized and/or Personals website. You can now offer your users the ability to setup their custom Personals website for FREE and then you'll get paid $4 http://www.oneandonlynetwork.com/welcome.htm?MID=45028 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 11:57:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nettally.com!gypsy2 From: "Sandy Gustafson" To: , Subject: Poodle Pattern Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:02:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.10216.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! I am looking for a pattern of a poodle. Can anyone help me, please? Thank you, Sandy in FL. Remember: Be kind to everyone, because everyone is having a hard time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 16:56:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: hazy patina Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:37:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.13378.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BECC95.8C1F2F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all who gave me advise on this subject. I thought I'd let you know how I resolved it. I tried one of the finishing creams sold in the SG catalogs. 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Please change my email address for the mailing list = from larsonrw@pdq.net to wendy_larson@hotmail.com. = My husband=20 uses this computer and email for work and he can't find his work = messages for=20 all my bungi mail so this way all the glass stuff I need will be = seperate.=20 Thanks a million !
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BECC9A.434E7E00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 20:04:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:08:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: SG in Malaysia Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:13:44 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.51344.0> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth (in Bournmouth) Did you get my post about the SG in Malaysia? Would like your comments Couldn't mail direct to you. Keeps bouncing. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 20:21:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:10:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!KIMBELL1 From: KIMBELL1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_cff0d63a.24bbf9a0_boundary" Subject: Fwd: stained glass books Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:08:32 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul13.2832.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_cff0d63a.24bbf9a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/99 11:11:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deskins@netphase.net writes: << To: "glass@bungi.com >> --part1_cff0d63a.24bbf9a0_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v59.55) with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:11:23 -0400 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:11:12 2000 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netphase.net!deskins From: "Lou Deskins" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: stained glass books Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: <199907120157.VAA06330@www.netphase.net> Precedence: bulk ---------- >From: "Candy Thurman" >To: "glass@bungi.com" >Subject: Re: stained glass books >Date: Sat, Jul 10, 1999, 6:00 PM > >>There is a color book that I picked up,which has helped me >>eminently...Called "Color Harmony" by Hideaki Chijiiwa. Published by >>Rockport Publishers > >>It a great book! I think I bought at Ed Hoy's in Chicago. But, I haven't >>check Amazon could be there > >Amazon.com and Borders.com say that it is out of print. > It is not out of print. It is at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0935603069/stainedglasspatt and is sold $12.95 and ships within 24 hours. Lou ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part1_cff0d63a.24bbf9a0_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 21:43:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: magic.fr!ssgi From: Laurent COSTAGANNA To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Ton mémoire fin d'année Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:41:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <199907120941.LAA20521@atlanta.magic.fr> Precedence: bulk Bonjour Bill. =20 =20 Comme convenu lors de notre dernier entretien ci-joint l'adresse=20 de notre s=EEte internet ou tu pourra trouver la table complete des=20 codes NAF. sur la page http://www.themadress.com/naf.htm=20 =20 Si tu veux me contacter au bureau va voir la page=20 http://www.themadress.com/contacts.htm pour y trouver nos=20 coordonn=E9es postale et telephonique.=20 Bonne R=E9ception de ce message et a tr=E8s bientot. =20 Laurent COSTAGANNA -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Consultez notre s=EEte internet =E0 l'adresse :=20 http://www.themadress.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 12 22:16:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:18:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mosaics...Tiffany Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:10:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.141013.0> References: <<1999Jul11.1593.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Howard..... You are a lucky dog to have a print. A friend of mine was lucky also, and found one for a reasonable price at a small antique store a few years ago. Before the "rediscovery" rage hit the market and all the prices skyrocketed... Best regards, Cheryl Howard wrote: > Lucky enough to have an original parrish print.....Not a calendar page. > > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 05:48:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Two questions Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:46:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.34614.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all.. I have two quick questions: 1. If you do a design for resale, can you use a pattern or do you have to contact the artist for permission? 2. On a circular pattern (the IHS with a cross in the middle), rather than frame it in wood or zinc, I did this. I soldered ball chain about every 2" around the entire edge. On the back at two solder lines, I applied a hanger sort of in the shape of a "P", with the stem of the P on the line, and the loop for attaching a chain. Should this be okay?? The diamiter of the piede is probably about 18-20". Thanks all! Mary... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 07:19:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: glass/what is chicago? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990713091156.006dfd38@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<01BECC53.BB671740.deb@glass.com>> Precedence: bulk >Howard, > What's wrong with gna? Were you referring to the quality of the glass or >that using a cathedral or antique glass in a tiffany style lamp would not >be the best choice of glass. > I have used gna in a few pieces and find it to be wonderful glass as well >as a little pricy... just curious. > >Barbara > >At 11:06 AM 7/7/99 -0700, Howard wrote: >>why buy a Cadillac when you can a Yugo? >>same for glass! >>Each glass a purpose it more suited for......Would you buy cathedral or gna >>glass for a Tiffany styled lamp......I sure hope not! > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 08:26:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Senility Prayer Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:20:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.92057.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, I love it. Just printed it out. I plan to share. Thanks for the morning chuckle. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 09:32:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:16:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com.!fatarch1 From: fatarch1@yahoo.com. To: fatarch1@yahoo.com. Subject: topsecrets Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:15:02 +0800 Message-ID: <199907131515.XAA28537@weblock.> Precedence: bulk Make Money From Home. NO HYPE JUST BIG WEEKLY PAYCHECKS. Call for details 1-800-811-2141 Code 65033 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 11:15:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:07:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!ATFSI From: ATFSI@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Dichroic help Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:03:53 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul13.17353.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm a very small manufacturer of hard (sputtered) dichroic coatings of many different types. I'd like to explore the market in art glass but have absolutely no experience with what is desired, its pricing structure, what materials, glasses to coat etc. Basically I'm asking for any and all comments or information that might lead me in the right direction (even flames!) Thanks ever so much, Jack Bradshaw atfsi@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 15:36:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:50:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: Question..marketing Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:57:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.95722.0> Precedence: bulk >on July 21- 24 1999, there is the Grandmother of all Art >Fair in Ann Arbor Michigan. I am so jealous of your ability to go to this! I watched the Carol Duvall show last weekend on HGTV and she showed a whole segment on the glass artists that will be at the Ann Arbor Art Fest. Man, I want to be there! There was one guy who did "glass cutting"--i'm still not sure exactly what this is, but his stuff was gorgeous. It was big and heavy glass pieces--like sculptures or maybe large bowls and vases, mostly clear glass but with some color inside, and he said he carves the glass so it looks like it has real sharp edges and points, but in reality they are not... Obviously something I can't explain, but boy, I want one of his pieces. So if you see him, buy something for me! :o) >As a matter of fact, it a very >tough show to get into. (Several friends have tried) Carol Duvall's son is a glass blower I believe, and he always exhibits there too. I believe she said they get over 2000 applications each year from new artists and select about 100-200 to invite--the rest are artists who have exhibited before and are invited back. Please report back after you go--I'll live vicariously through you on this one! Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 17:10:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@intrastar.net Subject: Re: Two questions Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:59:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.05934.0> References: <<007001becd25$561d5700$8e328118@computer>> Precedence: bulk In message <007001becd25$561d5700$8e328118@computer>, Mary writes >Hi all.. >I have two quick questions: >1. If you do a design for resale, can you use a pattern or do you have to >contact the artist for permission? You have to get permission, unless the pattern allows reproduction for sale. > -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 17:26:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hectic, hectic... Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:52:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.14524.0> Precedence: bulk That's my life this month! Looking forward to August and tripping to Pennsylvania. But my husband just dropped my new design assignment in my lap. Leaping large mouth bass! And I finished the Art Deco Lady design (I think), so need to make it, plus a lupine and dragonfly design, plus a plain, large dragonfly.... Waiting for pickup on a golfer, finishing a clock... Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 18:55:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:29:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: Glass Expressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: help on pattern Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:51:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul12.185132.0> References: <<1999Jul12.85418.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Ricky, Try www.spectrumglass.com, set 5 of the free patterns. They have one you could use or adapt. Good luck! Kathy Glass Expressions wrote: > hello to all bungi and thanks for past help! i'm hoping that you may head > me in the right direction on finding a pattern for the comedy > /tradjety(spelling) seen mostly with theater the happy and sad face a > person wanted one on a stepping stone - i could not find the true symbol . > any help would be appreciated - thanks in advance ricky > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 19:22:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Surprise Dale Chihuly Demonstration-Lucky Me!!! Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:32:51 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.13251.0> Precedence: bulk In March I sat for four hours in the lobby of the Bellagio Hotel in mute amazement of the Dale Chihuly glass installation in the lobby. Imagine my surprise today when I opened up the local paper on my train commute into the city and there is an article about how Dale Chihuly is helping kids at the city's public arts program design and execute an installation for Chicago's Millennium 2000 party and that today he is offering a public demonstration 3 blocks from my office!!! So I immediately rescheduled my day so I could attend. I had a front row seat. He helped the kids do paintings which would then be translated into....ready for this?.....plastic chandeliers!!!! His partner said they were using plastic instead of glass because it is safer to hang in a public setting than glass but I think that probably it had to do with Chicago being unable to afford an actual glass Chihuly installation of this magnitude. They are creating 250-500 (depending on how many they can do by then) chandeliers using all the colors contained in all of the flags from every country on Earth. At the Millennium celebration there will be at two people present from every country as well. Some people in the audience asked him to paint their clothes and one woman's hat. He looked to be having a lot of fun squirting paint around to the sound of the Beatles blaring through the loudspeakers as they worked. So I have to say this was a pretty good day for me all in all! Gwyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 20:03:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:22:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "KIMBELL1@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fwd: stained glass books Date: Tue, 13 Jul 99 07:30:27 Message-ID: <199907140136.TAA05413@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Lou, and everyone else who chewed me out, I wasn't the one who sent the original mail out...I was just trying to be helpful, heaven forbid, by posting the place I had seen them. Candy On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:08:32 EDT, KIMBELL1@aol.com wrote: > >--part1_cff0d63a.24bbf9a0_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 7/11/99 11:11:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >deskins@netphase.net writes: > ><< To: "glass@bungi.com >> > > >--part1_cff0d63a.24bbf9a0_boundary >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >Content-Disposition: inline > >Return-Path: >Received: from aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by > air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v59.55) with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:11:23 > -0400 >Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by > rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:11:12 2000 >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >X-Path: netphase.net!deskins >From: "Lou Deskins" >To: glass@bungi.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Subject: Re: stained glass books >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:58:02 -0400 >Message-ID: <199907120157.VAA06330@www.netphase.net> >Precedence: bulk > > >---------- >>From: "Candy Thurman" >>To: "glass@bungi.com" >>Subject: Re: stained glass books >>Date: Sat, Jul 10, 1999, 6:00 PM >> > >>>There is a color book that I picked up,which has helped me >>>eminently...Called "Color Harmony" by Hideaki Chijiiwa. Published by >>>Rockport Publishers >> >>>It a great book! I think I bought at Ed Hoy's in Chicago. But, I haven't >>>check Amazon could be there >> >>Amazon.com and Borders.com say that it is out of print. >> >It is not out of print. It is at >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0935603069/stainedglasspatt and is >sold $12.95 and ships within 24 hours. > >Lou >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >--part1_cff0d63a.24bbf9a0_boundary-- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 21:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:55:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sparks? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:55:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.17553.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know when Sparks is supposed to be home? T Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 21:53:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Big mouth Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:32:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.143248.0> Precedence: bulk Monday afternoon I noticed that the back of the new grandstand at the local high school had been spray painted with grafitti in a band about six feet high and a hundred or so yards long. Must have taken several people more than a few minutes to do this. The grandstand is a gift from a former student and is something that public funds would never have done in todays fiscal environment. I was pi**ed to say the least but my anger was as nothing compared with that of the school maintenance staff. I stopped in to offer to sandblast the grandstand clean and you would have thought I had been sent from heaven. A crew from the city public works department was having zero luck in removing the paint from the very corse cement block surface. So, today I became a registered volunteer (required) and signed papers to the effect that I have not registered as a sex offender. Did not have to do the fingerprint thing so my volunteering may not include students. All true. Bought 800 pounds of crystal silica sand, checked out my OSHA approved masks and headgear and now think I am ready to report for volunteer duty at 7:00 AM tomorrow. Got to start early to beat the heat. One good thing is that I get to use the large air compressor at the school and what with my 100 pound pressure pot should be able to blast up a storm. My four horse compressor is not really up to a job like this. Wish me luck and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 22:05:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:41:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.184148.0> References: <<006101becdb1$f3cdaa40$84e1fdd1@default>> Precedence: bulk I've known it from the start. You *are* a gem, Bob Du! :o) I wish you had some help. Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 13 22:53:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "Bob Duchesneau" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:43:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.21432.0> Precedence: bulk >Wish me luck and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut. I'll wish you luck...but no suggestions on keeping your mouth shut!! It is the folks that are willing to go out of their way to make sure the 'hoodlums' don't think they are running the place that give me hope that most of the world's populations is still decent...I do have my doubts at times.... Thank you. Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 02:54:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:36:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.93618.0> References: <<006101becdb1$f3cdaa40$84e1fdd1@default>> Precedence: bulk Uncle Bob! I should have known that if any one was to have a sense of civic duty it would be you! I'd give you a helping hand -- if I was there! How are they going to stop it happening again? I have been trying to find something to send you to show my appreciation for the absorbing catalogue you sent me! We don't have any catalogues that can compare so I will get a small book in the post to you about our village as it was. I'm involved with the publishing company and I hope you find it interesting! Before you say it isn't necessary, most certainly is. You unstintly give your experience and advice to everyone and, whilst I know you probably get a kick out of it, I would like you to know that I for one very much appreciate it. Warm regards Brian > So, today I became a registered volunteer (required) and signed papers to > the effect that I have not registered as a sex offender. Did not have to do > the fingerprint thing so my volunteering may not include students. All true. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 04:27:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!frogplay From: "Pamela A. Gilbert" To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:11:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul13.221123.0> References: <<006101becdb1$f3cdaa40$84e1fdd1@default>> Precedence: bulk We thank you for not keeping your mouth shut. We all need people like us in the community to make things work. We need people that care and share. Just think if you had not said a word what the next football or sports game would be like. You have always been a great person for sharing with all of us on the internet, and we appreciate it so much, now you are sharing with the rest of the people out there. I can understand feeling like maybe you have kept quiet, but God must of wanted your help on this sandblasting project. Have a great day. God Bless. Pam G. Bob Duchesneau wrote: > Monday afternoon I noticed that the back of the new grandstand at the local > high school had been spray painted with grafitti in a band about six feet > high and a hundred or so yards long. Must have taken several people more > than a few minutes to do this. The grandstand is a gift from a former > student and is something that public funds would never have done in todays > fiscal environment. > > I was pi**ed to say the least but my anger was as nothing compared with that > of the school maintenance staff. I stopped in to offer to sandblast the > grandstand clean and you would have thought I had been sent from heaven. A > crew from the city public works department was having zero luck in removing > the paint from the very corse cement block surface. > > So, today I became a registered volunteer (required) and signed papers to > the effect that I have not registered as a sex offender. Did not have to do > the fingerprint thing so my volunteering may not include students. All true. > > Bought 800 pounds of crystal silica sand, checked out my OSHA approved masks > and headgear and now think I am ready to report for volunteer duty at 7:00 > AM tomorrow. Got to start early to beat the heat. > > One good thing is that I get to use the large air compressor at the school > and what with my 100 pound pressure pot should be able to blast up a storm. > My four horse compressor is not really up to a job like this. > > Wish me luck and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut. > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 04:56:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bob's supposed big mouth......aka bob's gift of giving of himself Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:29:08 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.11298.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/14/99 12:54:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: > Wish me luck and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut. See Bob, I was right that you were right, you are cool......... There are a lot of people who are going to appreciate the work you are doing. I consider myself lucky "knowing" someone like you. Keep up the good work, and may you never shut your mouth and become one of the silent masses......... In awe of you, IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 05:26:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: Bungi , 'Bob Duchesneau' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:09:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.493.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, Have been thinking of your good intentions and especially work.. All I want to do is to remind you, that good will and help will be brought back to you.. Remember, what goes around comes around, and and hopefully your good work will return to you in ten folds.. Try to stay cool, or by the time you read this message, your project will be successfully completed and you will find a nice AC spot to relax in. Gloria > ---------- > From: Bob Duchesneau[SMTP:bobdu@prodigy.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 12:32 AM > To: Bungi; 2 Shirley's List > Subject: Big mouth > > Monday afternoon I noticed that the back of the new grandstand at the > local > high school had been spray painted with grafitti in a band about six feet > high and a hundred or so yards long. Must have taken several people more > than a few minutes to do this. The grandstand is a gift from a former > student and is something that public funds would never have done in todays > fiscal environment. > > I was pi**ed to say the least but my anger was as nothing compared with > that > of the school maintenance staff. I stopped in to offer to sandblast the > grandstand clean and you would have thought I had been sent from heaven. A > crew from the city public works department was having zero luck in > removing > the paint from the very corse cement block surface. > > So, today I became a registered volunteer (required) and signed papers to > the effect that I have not registered as a sex offender. Did not have to > do > the fingerprint thing so my volunteering may not include students. All > true. > > Bought 800 pounds of crystal silica sand, checked out my OSHA approved > masks > and headgear and now think I am ready to report for volunteer duty at 7:00 > AM tomorrow. Got to start early to beat the heat. > > One good thing is that I get to use the large air compressor at the school > and what with my 100 pound pressure pot should be able to blast up a > storm. > My four horse compressor is not really up to a job like this. > > Wish me luck and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut. > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 06:28:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:57:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sparks? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:56:02 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.12562.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/14/99 12:24:29 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: >Does anyone know when Sparks is supposed to be home? Night before last. Rumor has it that somone vaguely fitting my physical description fell off a British Airways 777 in Philadelphia around 7 pm Monday evening, but that someone has been hibernating ever since and could not be reached for comment. More later........ The missing person in question ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 06:39:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:18:40 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.161840.0> Precedence: bulk Best of luck Bob, you surprise me (always pleasantly) with your generosity. And God bless. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 06:58:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:25:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: PJ Jellison To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:43:52 -0400 Message-ID: <378C8606.D56B849@ceps.nasm.edu> Organization: Smithsonian Institution Precedence: bulk Bob, I just wish you lived in MY town. I wish you good luck as you asked, and God Bless you. PJ Jellison (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) Bob Duchesneau wrote: ... I stopped in to offer to sandblast the > > grandstand clean and you would have thought I had been sent from heaven. A > > crew from the city public works department was having zero luck in > > removing > > the paint from the very corse cement block surface. > > > > So, today I became a registered volunteer (required) and signed papers to > > the effect that I have not registered as a sex offender. Did not have to > > do > > the fingerprint thing so my volunteering may not include students. All > > true. > > > > Bought 800 pounds of crystal silica sand, checked out my OSHA approved > > masks > > and headgear and now think I am ready to report for volunteer duty at 7:00 > > AM tomorrow. Got to start early to beat the heat. > > > > One good thing is that I get to use the large air compressor at the school > > and what with my 100 pound pressure pot should be able to blast up a > > storm. > > My four horse compressor is not really up to a job like this. > > > > Wish me luck and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut. > > Bob > > > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > > Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 07:16:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: "Drag, Gloria J." , Bungi , Subject: re: RE: Big mouth Date: 14 Jul 99 09:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: <199907141333.JAA15689@smtp2.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Bob. . . You are such a wonderful person! I hope your blasting went just the way you wanted! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 07:33:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: "'Witchdoc3@aol.com'" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Sparks? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:23:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.52334.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECDFC.1773DF38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Inquiring minds are wondering.... How many ghosts did you bag? And what's this we hear about you and a " VERY "interesting" encounter with a car park attendant in London"? Vic M. (Who will wait till the hibernating Sparks wakes up and gets a meal into her.) Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:56 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sparks? In a message dated 7/14/99 12:24:29 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: >Does anyone know when Sparks is supposed to be home? Night before last. Rumor has it that somone vaguely fitting my physical description fell off a British Airways 777 in Philadelphia around 7 pm Monday evening, but that someone has been hibernating ever since and could not be reached for comment. More later........ The missing person in question ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECDFC.1773DF38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Sparks?

Inquiring minds are = wondering....

How many ghosts did you bag?
And what's this we hear about you and = a " VERY "interesting" = encounter with a car park attendant in London"?

Vic M. (Who will wait till the = hibernating Sparks wakes up and gets a meal into her.)
Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com




      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   = Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com]
      Sent:   Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:56 AM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
      Subject:       = Re: Sparks?


      In a message dated 7/14/99 12:24:29 = AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes:

      >Does anyone know when Sparks is = supposed to be home?

      Night before last. Rumor has it that = somone vaguely fitting my physical
      description fell off a British = Airways 777 in Philadelphia around 7 pm Monday
      evening, but that someone has been = hibernating ever since and could not be
      reached for comment.

      More later........


      The missing person in question
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BECDFC.1773DF38-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 07:33:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!dmbarker66 From: "Dawn M. Barker" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Russian Glass Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:13:00 CST Message-ID: <1999Jul14.14130.0> Precedence: bulk Don't know if any of you are interested, and I hope I'm not going to get flamed for this, but I thought it worth the effort to pass it on... I found a post on the ArtGlass World board and sent an inquiry. A fellow had surplus glass for sale for $1 per sheet (which sounded great). A follow-up email brought back this reply: Hello Dawn, I'm glad to hear from you. This glass is cathedral and made in Russia by old glass-factory. They make colored glass more than 200 years. So, offered glass is good quality. It is a surplus of big unfinished project in Moscow. Approx. volume is half of 20' container or more. Sheet size - 25cm x 25cm (9.8" x 9.8") Thickness - 3mm (1/8") I don't know exact quantity of sheets because anybody re-counted it for a long time. I re-counted red glass only. There is approx. 14,000 sheets of red. I think cost of shipping will be acceptable and total cost of glass will remain very profitable. I can forward glass from Tallinn Estonia. Cost of shipping 20' cont. from Tallinn to Montreal is approx. US$ 2,200 What is your port of delivery? How many glass do you need? I think to hold glass in hands is more better than to talk about it. I can send you a glass set and offer you three delivery ways: 1. by post (cost - US$ 10, delivery time - a. 30-40 days) 2. by air mail (US$ 20, a. 20-25 days) 3. by express mail (US$ 65, 5-7days) You pay only for delivery. Glass samples will be free for you. If you agree please inform me your address and delivery way. I will answer to any your questions with pleasure. Best regards, Valery I don't have the finances to pull this one off though. *Sigh* The glass deal of a lifetime, and here I sit. So if anyone is interested, email me and I'll give you the add'y. Or maybe several of us could pool and split the shipment? Hmm... interesting. Dawn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 07:50:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!dmbarker66 From: "Dawn M. Barker" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Big Mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:16:22 CST Message-ID: <1999Jul14.141622.0> Precedence: bulk Bob - Not big mouth. Just big heart. (I always said that the reason my Mom had such hard labors was 'cause I was born with one hand sticking up in the air, and saying "I'll do it! I'll help you! Pick me!" Maybe you were too? (bg)) Anyway, dear friend, we are ALL proud of you. You make the world a nicer place to be. Dawn Barker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 07:50:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:48:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Bob Duchesneau' , Bungi , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.5301.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECDFC.FA2091E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob The problem isn't keeping your mouth shut. It's getting other people to open theirs. If you ever have to do this again maybe you should blast the school emblem into the wall. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau [mailto:bobdu@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 12:33 AM To: Bungi; 2 Shirley's List Subject: Big mouth Wish me luck and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BECDFC.FA2091E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Big mouth

Bob

The problem isn't keeping your mouth = shut. It's getting other people to open theirs.
If you ever have to do this again = maybe you should blast the school emblem into the wall.

Vic M.
Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01BECDFC.FA2091E6-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 08:02:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass samples Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:39:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.43956.0> Precedence: bulk Trying for a response to yet another question. I've notice glass sample packs for sale. Do ANY of you find these to be of use. That is, with the multicolored types of glass? Gosh....wonder if more than one will respond to this one? :-) C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 08:48:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:56:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:52:54 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.145254.0> Precedence: bulk Several years ago (many years ago), we brought a nephew out to stay with us in beautiful, streetwise Philadelphia. He was brought up on a many acre spread in Alaska, and then lived in Washington State, near the Canadian border. So out he comes to us, and we pick him up at the airport.....biggest thrill for him, was seeing REAL grafitti. He had never seen any. All the way home he was wowing and raving.....I had all I could do to keep my significant other from turning the car around and driving him back to the airport. We had quite a discussion about graffitti, to say the least.....with side topics of urban blight, crime, watching your back ("put that nice watch away until we send you home"). Maureen "No good deed goes unpunished" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 09:10:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Archives of rec.crafts.glass Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:02:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.1237.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.riordanartistry.com//htm/faq/faqtitl.htm Was looking for info on using mica with hot glass beads, found this archive. Thought others might be interested also. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 09:37:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Time for location list update Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:30:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990714083017.00993cd0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk I just got back from a long family vacation (more on the glass part of that in a separate message) and am overcome with the urge to update the Who's Where in Bungi-Land list. If you're on the list already and need to make any changes to your entry, please send the new info to me (privately) by 7/21. If I don't hear from you, your vital statistics will show the same as they did in the 4/1 list. I've already incorporated the handful of changes I received over the past few months...no need to send them again. If you don't have the vaguest idea what I'm talking about, read on... The Who's Where in Bungi-Land list shows (roughly) where bungi people call home. The list doesn't contain street addresses or phone numbers; in many cases, it doesn't even show a person's full name. Putting yourself on the list is entirely voluntary. You need not be a vocal list participant. Lurkers can emerge safely from the shadows for a glimpse of daylight. Sounds good, doesn't it? Here's the catch. By popular demand, the list is distributed by private e-mail only to those on it. You must give to receive. To add yourself to the list, send me a private e-mail with as much of your name and home town as you feel comfortable revealing. Be aware that there are numerous Internet resources that may enable someone to determine your phone number and street address from the information you provide. If this possibility bothers you, include only your first name or just tell me where you live regionally. If you have pictures of your glasswork on the web or are connected with a studio you'd like named, include that information, too. Most people receive the list as a PDF document attached to a mail message. Viewing and printing a PDF document requires you to have Adobe's Acrobat Reader on your computer. If you don't already have this *free* utility, you can download it from http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html Some people prefer to avoid mail attachments altogether. If you are one of them, make sure you let me know when you sign up. I will then send you a plain-text (completely unformatted) version of the list in the body of a mail message. Be aware that web sites and studio affiliations are not included in the plain-text version. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 09:53:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NOT GLASS-catalog Date: Wed Jul 14 08:39:10 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.61710.0> Precedence: bulk those of you that helped me at the beginning of the year with information on how to put together the catalog i was working on....good news (i think) i have started shipping the catalog...so if you are expecting a catalog from me you should start seeing them soon about 1/2 of them have gone out that requested them....am working on the other half now.... again, thanks to everyone for all your help and support of this venture of mine... just wanted to say thanks debbie if i offended anyone with this post, i am sorry....flame me off list PLEASE debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 09:56:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: bob's supposed big mouth......aka bob's gift of giving of himself Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:13:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.5133.0> References: <<1999Jul14.11298.0>> Precedence: bulk I'd sure consider myself in a pickle of Bob suddenly stopped speaking. I'd sure miss him too. t Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 10:18:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: glass@bungi.com, "'Charles R. Clark'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: glass samples Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.7397.0> Precedence: bulk I do not think you can go wrong with a sample pack of Spectrum glass. Their glass is pretty well uniform from sheet to sheet.. I took samples of them to do a cabinet door.. However, the exotic glasses are a different story.. I believe samples of Yough would differ from sheet to sheet and also throughout the sheet. I have samples of Bullseye.. If it is a 1 colored glass, it is good, but again 1 & 2, or 2 & 3 mixtures of colors per sheet will vary from sheet to sheet and throughout the sheet.. I even found this to be true of Wissmach 3 colored mixtures sheets of glass.. Which brings me to a sad story.. My favorite glass shop is going out of business.. I was able to go there and take a whole (uncut) sheet from their racks and choose from which end I wanted to have my cut.. This enabled me to have good dense greens and my favorite cranberry cranberry from a white, crystal and cranberry sheet of glass ( I did not have to buy the end with the majority of the sheet being white and not cranberry) Hope this helps Gloria > --------- > From: Charles R. Clark[SMTP:dwood@sky.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:39 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: glass samples > > Trying for a response to yet another question. > > I've notice glass sample packs for sale. Do ANY of you find these to be > of use. That is, with the multicolored types of glass? > Gosh....wonder if more than one will respond to this one? :-) > C. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 10:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Dawn M. Barker" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Russian Glass Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:00:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.207.0> Precedence: bulk Buying a lot of UNKNOWN glass UNSEEN is IMHO not recommended! If it turns out to be "legit" and you do not like the product, any recourse? Even getting a domestic supplier to hand select glass to what is a broad specification you may ask for, is only as in most cases taking the next sheet out of the rack or case. Another observation, is it "cutable", annealed correctly and how has the company survived or the glass (were sheets made 200 years ago) is how OLD? For me, send me "the pig in the poke first", and then I will think on the glass. weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 10:37:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Charles R. Clark" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass samples Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:04:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.2430.0> Precedence: bulk A sample pack for a machine maker of glass should give you a fairly good idea of its properties. Samples of hand-made (even production colors) opalescent glass of multiple colors are usually about 2x3 and very rarely reflect the colors of the whole sheet. You could get a piece that has one predominant color and streak of another, JUST what you want/need. The sheet comes in and only a small corner has that mix! The beauty of hand-made is the lack of sameness of the whole sheet! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 11:09:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass samples Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:21:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.82155.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Charles R. Clark" >I've notice glass sample packs for sale. Do ANY of you find these to be of use. That is, with the multicolored types of glass?< I find them invaluable. I own glass sample sets from Spectrum, Wissmach, Youghiogheny, Uroborus, Kokomo, clear textures (a collection put together by my distributor), glue chip (another collection put together by my distributor), and Armstrong. They help my clients see what the glass will look like for real. They help me in selecting sheets of glass. And if I have to make a glass substitute, they are a great resource. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 11:22:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199907141630.MAA24650@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk Hey, I like grafitti too! At least those kids are doing something about all those ugly bare concrete walls. It's disgusting the way the city rushes out to obliterate every trace of individual expression and decoration. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 11:40:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: check out this site Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:44:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.24423.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk About 1/3 of the way down is a small pic of a bottle village. Check out the pathway. http://www.arts.endow.gov/artforms/Folk/Outsider.html Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 11:43:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.83010.0> Precedence: bulk Back in '87 Shauna, then 22, visited me from Winnipeg, Canada. It was here first trip to New York City and her first visit outside Canada. She was fascinated by the graffiti, some of it was very well done. But what really amazed her though were the "Koch Windows". An explanation for those unfamiliar with "Koch Windows". While Abe Koch was Mayor of NYC he got fed up with all the boarded up windows in the abandoned buildings. He decided to have fake windows painted on to the plywood. Curtains, window panes and flower boxes were painted on in a variety of styles. Most were done in black paint but a few were actually done in color. Successive administrations did not agree with the policy and they are now a footnote to the "Reign of King Koch". Shauna thought I was making the whole thing up and foolishly bet on it. She thought I was making a lot of things up and she was very entertaining as she saw various imaginary things come to life. But I'm straying from the subject. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Mosfunland@aol.com [mailto:Mosfunland@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:53 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Nonglass: grafitti Several years ago (many years ago), we brought a nephew out to stay with us in beautiful, streetwise Philadelphia. He was brought up on a many acre spread in Alaska, and then lived in Washington State, near the Canadian border. So out he comes to us, and we pick him up at the airport.....biggest thrill for him, was seeing REAL grafitti. He had never seen any. All the way home he was wowing and raving.....I had all I could do to keep my significant other from turning the car around and driving him back to the airport. We had quite a discussion about graffitti, to say the least.....with side topics of urban blight, crime, watching your back ("put that nice watch away until we send you home"). Maureen "No good deed goes unpunished" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 11:57:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!ATFSI From: ATFSI@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_f92f80be.24be1ed7_boundary" Subject: Fwd: warning about another possible virus Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:11:51 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.171151.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_f92f80be.24be1ed7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_f92f80be.24be1ed7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from aol.com (rly-yh03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.35]) by air-yh02.mx.aol.com (v60.14) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:07:43 -0400 Received: from vmail.vicr.com (vmail.vicr.com [207.141.187.1]) by rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:07:35 -0400 Received: from vicorgate.vicr.com by vmail.vicr.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05736; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:10:53 -0400 Received: from ccMail by vicorgate.vicr.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0008F9B9; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:21:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:04:56 -0400 Message-Id: <0008F9B9.001419@vicr.com> From: pbradshaw@vicr.com Subject: RE: warning about another possible virus To: atfsi@aol.com, mbradsy@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: RE: warning about another possible virus Author: Daryl Holeva at Internet Date: 7/14/99 11:48 AM RE: warning about another possible virus another virus warning. To check validity, go to the AOL home page, they have lists of new viruses. > > A new virus is around named WOBBLER. > > > > So just in case you do no know about it yet, please read > > what it says below: > > It will arrive on an e-mail titled "CALIFORNIA". > > IBM and AOL have announced that it is VERY powerful > > (more so than the Melissa virus) and has no remedy. > > > > It will EAT all your information on the hard drive and > > also destroys Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. > > DO NOT open anything with this title and please pass > > this message on to all your contacts and anyone who uses your e-mail > > facility. > > > > Not many people seem to know about this yet, so > > propagate it as fast and as possible! ! --part1_f92f80be.24be1ed7_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 12:07:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:59:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Steve Wernecke , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Time for location list update Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:56:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.65626.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990714083017.00993cd0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk Welcome back. We missed you. Suzanne Steve Wernecke wrote: > > I just got back from a long family vacation (more on the glass part of that > in a separate message) and am overcome with the urge to update the Who's > Where in Bungi-Land list. If you're on the list already and need to make > any changes to your entry, please send the new info to me (privately) by > 7/21. If I don't hear from you, your vital statistics will show the same > as they did in the 4/1 list. I've already incorporated the handful of > changes I received over the past few months...no need to send them again. > > If you don't have the vaguest idea what I'm talking about, read on... > > The Who's Where in Bungi-Land list shows (roughly) where bungi people call > home. The list doesn't contain street addresses or phone numbers; in many > cases, it doesn't even show a person's full name. Putting yourself on the > list is entirely voluntary. You need not be a vocal list participant. > Lurkers can emerge safely from the shadows for a glimpse of daylight. > > Sounds good, doesn't it? Here's the catch. By popular demand, the list is > distributed by private e-mail only to those on it. You must give to receive. > > To add yourself to the list, send me a private e-mail with as much of your > name and home town as you feel comfortable revealing. Be aware that there > are numerous Internet resources that may enable someone to determine your > phone number and street address from the information you provide. If this > possibility bothers you, include only your first name or just tell me where > you live regionally. If you have pictures of your glasswork on the web or > are connected with a studio you'd like named, include that information, too. > > Most people receive the list as a PDF document attached to a mail message. > Viewing and printing a PDF document requires you to have Adobe's Acrobat > Reader on your computer. If you don't already have this *free* utility, > you can download it from > > http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html > > Some people prefer to avoid mail attachments altogether. If you are one of > them, make sure you let me know when you sign up. I will then send you a > plain-text (completely unformatted) version of the list in the body of a > mail message. Be aware that web sites and studio affiliations are not > included in the plain-text version. > > Steve > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 12:27:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!suzan.e.b1 From: suzan e becker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: glass samples Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:34:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.9343.0> Precedence: bulk If you mean the packs about 10 x 12, I use the really bright patterns as accent pieces in prairie lamps - with planning, there is enough for all four sides. From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 13:58:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: NOT GLASS-catalog Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:29:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.72956.0> Precedence: bulk And my, what a catalog it is! Great work Debbie! Thanks. Shari >i have started shipping the catalog...so if you are expecting a catalog from >me you should start seeing them soon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 14:20:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Zeusluvr From: Zeusluvr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: "New" Glass I Found Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:27:27 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.192727.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. My husband & I just got back from a trip to Chicago. (Love the cows!!!!!!!!!) While out there, my in-laws took us to a glass shop that we found in the yellow pages. While looking around her"studio" where she sold all kinds of supplies and glass. We came upon a glass I had never seen before. She told us it was "Fremont G Multi" and it was very expensive. Because Terry nor I had never seen this type of glass before, I asked "How expensive". She told me the full sheet would run about $100. We told her we would take what she had left (3.36 sq ft it turned out) and were charged $74.00. Can anyone tell me about this glass? It seems the more I think about it, the more I think she didn't really want to "get rid of" this piece and thought she had priced it high enough that we would pass. (Is this another case of more money than brains.) When she found out we were from PA, she right away "assumed" that we must be customers of "Warner" (of course) and how much she hated places like that that have such low Prices (yeah!!!!!) that can't possibly compete. (Another possible finalist for Sales Person of the Year???) Of course we sang the praises of Warner (who wouldn't) and paid for our glass and was turning to leave. I saw she had SGN on the counter, and asked if I could take a copy. She was very rude and said "Well I guess so". This is right after paying $74. for 3 sq ft of glass!!!!! Is this glass truly such a rare find or were we "country Bumpkins taken for a ride in the "big city"???? Would appreciate any comments!! Thanks to all Susie Smith Deep Woods & Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 14:37:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Re: warning about another possible virus Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.5403.0> References: <<1999Jul14.171151.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wobbler-hoax.html WOBBLER Virus Hoax VirusName: WOBBLER Virus Hoax Aliases: none Known Variants: Hoax Infection Length: Hoax Area of Infection: Hoax Likelihood: Hoax Region Reported: email Keys: Hoax Description: This information is a hoax and should be ignored. Sample of hoax message: Dear All, For your reference, take necessary precautions. If you receive an email with a file called California, do not open the file. The file contains WOBBLER virus. WARNING This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus, much worse than "Melissa", and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Some very sick individual has succeeded in using the reformat function from Norton Utilities causing it to completely erase all documents on the hard drive. It has been designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. It destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. Please ignore any messages regarding this "hoax" and do not pass on any messages regarding it. Passing on messages about this hoax serves only to further propagate it. Write-up by: Motoaki Yamamura Updated: May 15, 1999 Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Intrastar Glass List Website http://glass.intrastar.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:11 AM Subject: Fwd: warning about another possible virus > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 15:07:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass samples Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:49:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.54919.0> Precedence: bulk I find the sample sets very useful when talking design possibilities with clients. I also find them somewhat useful when I am looking for glass in a particular colour and I don't know which company might make it. ( I am also finding the new digital catalogues with images some of the glass companies have fairly useful). Of course with some multi-coloured or highly variable glass the small samples can never give the whole picture. Sometimes looking at full sheets is the only way to go. But I can not possibly stock every sheet of glass in every single colour for clients to look at (plus they would get broken as the client and me tried to handle a thousand sheets :-) ). Even the nearby glass retail outlets can not possibly stock everything. So I find the sample sets are a pretty good compromise. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Clark To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:09 AM Subject: glass samples >Trying for a response to yet another question. > >I've notice glass sample packs for sale. Do ANY of you find these to be >of use. That is, with the multicolored types of glass? >Gosh....wonder if more than one will respond to this one? :-) >C. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 15:49:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:24:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: dmbarker66@hotmail.com, Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Big Mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:59:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.195938.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/14/99 10:52:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmbarker66@hotmail.com writes: << Not big mouth. Just big heart. >> I agree with all the responses. Good for you, Bob, even better for your community. Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 16:47:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stealthtech.com!dan From: "Dan O'Mara" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Peter Crisp Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:18:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.71813.0> Precedence: bulk I am trying to locate Peter Crisp, a glass artist in Yass, NSW, Australia. Can anyone make any suggestion and/or help me locate a way to get in touch with him directly? Dan dan@stealthtech.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 17:13:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:47:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.94716.0> Precedence: bulk I've never seen Fremont but have always wanted to. If you've ever seen any of the Glass Smith Studios books, all their color photos say they use Fremont glass, and it is gorgeous. I've always described it as "like antique only more so" if that makes any sense. I know my local supplier doesn't carry it and I've never seen it in any of the mail order catalogs so I've always assumed it was rare and expensive. Shari in SLC -----Original Message----- From: Zeusluvr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 3:32 PM Subject: "New" Glass I Found >Hi all. My husband & I just got back from a trip to Chicago. (Love the >cows!!!!!!!!!) While out there, my in-laws took us to a glass shop that we >found in the yellow pages. While looking around her"studio" where she sold >all kinds of supplies and glass. We came upon a glass I had never seen >before. She told us it was "Fremont G Multi" and it was very expensive. >Because Terry nor I had never seen this type of glass before, I asked "How >expensive". She told me the full sheet would run about $100. We told her we >would take what she had left (3.36 sq ft it turned out) and were charged >$74.00. Can anyone tell me about this glass? It seems the more I think >about it, the more I think she didn't really want to "get rid of" this piece >and thought she had priced it high enough that we would pass. (Is this >another case of more money than brains.) When she found out we were from PA, >she right away "assumed" that we must be customers of "Warner" (of course) >and how much she hated places like that that have such low Prices (yeah!!!!!) >that can't possibly compete. (Another possible finalist for Sales Person of >the Year???) Of course we sang the praises of Warner (who wouldn't) and paid >for our glass and was turning to leave. I saw she had SGN on the counter, >and asked if I could take a copy. She was very rude and said "Well I guess >so". This is right after paying $74. for 3 sq ft of glass!!!!! Is this >glass truly such a rare find or were we "country Bumpkins taken for a ride in >the "big city"???? Would appreciate any comments!! > >Thanks to all > >Susie Smith >Deep Woods & Glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 17:15:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass samples Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.132929.0> References: <<1999Jul14.43956.0>> Precedence: bulk Long years ago I used to think about getting glass samples, and even had a small box I carried around with some common colors in it. But now, with so many Web sites showing so many samples....nope can't feel that virtual glass or hold it up to the light, but it helps. Dorothy "Charles R. Clark" wrote: > > > I've notice glass sample packs for sale. Do ANY of you find these to be > of use. That is, with the multicolored types of glass? > Gosh....wonder if more than one will respond to this one? :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 19:51:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:47:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: icsp.net!rballard From: rballard@icsp.net (Robin) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fwd: warning about another possible virus Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:01:20 GMT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.21120.0> References: <<1999Jul14.171151.0>> Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:11:51 EDT, you wrote: Here is what Norton Antivirus' website said about "Wobbler": WOBBLER Virus Hoax Virus Name: WOBBLER Virus Hoax Aliases: none Known Variants: Hoax Infection Length: Hoax Area of Infection: Hoax Likelihood: Hoax Region Reported: email Keys: Hoax Description: This information is a hoax and should be ignored. Sample of hoax message: Dear All,=20 =46or your reference, take necessary precautions. If you receive an email with a file called California, do not open the file. The file contains WOBBLER virus.=20 WARNING=20 This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus, much worse than "Melissa", and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Some very sick individual has succeeded in using the reformat function from Norton Utilities causing it to completely erase all documents on the hard drive. It has been designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. It destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.=20 Please ignore any messages regarding this "hoax" and do not pass on any messages regarding it. Passing on messages about this hoax serves only to further propagate it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 20:11:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: thanks Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:58:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.135815.0> Precedence: bulk I wish to thank everyone who was so nice and understanding about my problem. A technecian just spent 3 hours going over my equipment and installing Norton AntiVirus and hopefully I'll have no more trouble. Still feel guilty but no harm was intended. I'm still a little paranoid but have enjoyed the bungi program so much and learned a lot so really hate to unsubscribe as I considered doing. The festival was the most depressing 2 days I ever spent. Rude people, unsupervised 6-10 yr. olds running all over, 12-14's showing off their new bras and loitering teenagers. Won't do that one again. And to think, I had to pay for the priviledge. By the way Jerri, I'm in Cedartown, on 27 south of Rome. Aren't you near Athens. Used to go to Dairy Days at the university to show cattle when the kids were young and cooperative. Beautiful country. Thanks again everyone, you're a great group! Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 20:13:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:07:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: Zeusluvr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:56:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199907142356.QAA28189@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk Fremont Art Glass is made by a small shop in Seattle Washington. It's hand made and is very expensive...I don't think you were overcharged at all. It's BEAUTIFUL stuff, isn't it? It could be that it's hard to get out in Chicago, and if she also does custom orders, she may not have wanted to part with it. Not going to touch the rest of the discussion :) C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 20:14:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Big Mouth - Bob Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:22:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.102212.0> Precedence: bulk "and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut." Personally, I wouldn't suggest anything. As a teacher who frequently has to impose on locals for help...I can tell you, this is a great service! They are right, you were sent from heaven. In case, you and your compressor live long enough to complete the project, you might talk to Guido about removing your tongue, and Salvatore can help you with sign language....or so I remember someone else on bungi was explaining. Check the archives...I am sure you will find someone who knows Guido. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 20:30:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:35:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:34:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.143411.0> References: <<1999Jul14.192727.0>> Precedence: bulk ...Ah, Fremont Glass... the mind wanders... images of spring meadows and flittering butterflies fill my thoughts... homicidal tendencies towards bank managers pass away like a soft summer rain... Fremont Glass- the only 'true' mouth blown antique glass being made in the great USA today (hey, I'm Canadian and deeply envious, okay, eh?!)(aside from a somewhat antique from companies such as Blenko...) According to an old profile on the company in 'The Edge'(or its successor- I don't remember) from about ten years ago, Fremont Glass (in Fremont, WA) is a company which at that time was comprised of five glassblowers. They worked a seven hour day with an hour for lunch and produced at the rate of about one sheet/hour making a daily production of 35 sheets with each sheet in the neighbourhood (Cdn spelling) of about 2.5-3 feet. Their specialty and hence most sought after glass is their multi-coloured (Cdn spelling again) streakies which I will not even attempt to describe, being full of prose but still unable to do justice to its beauty. If you take a look at the first two books from Glassmith Studios (A Break In Time and Northern Lights) you'll see Fremont being put to good use here... Still to this day I find that geting a hold of a steady supply quite difficult, but I got to admit that the stuff most recently in my store to be something I've never seen before (and we stock over 1300 colours)- it is a transparent pot base colour with metallic copper feathery streaks that are 100% reflective almost like mirror in surface light and yet totally transparent in reflected light. Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: July 14, 1999 3:27 PM Subject: "New" Glass I Found > Hi all. My husband & I just got back from a trip to Chicago. (Love the > cows!!!!!!!!!) While out there, my in-laws took us to a glass shop that we > found in the yellow pages. While looking around her"studio" where she sold > all kinds of supplies and glass. We came upon a glass I had never seen > before. She told us it was "Fremont G Multi" and it was very expensive> ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 20:32:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: weird tools Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:40:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.144028.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BECE28.5803A480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I've been lurking for awhile popping my head up occassionally when = the mood warrants, sometimes disappointed in the misinformation that = sometimes occurs, sometimes inspired otherwise, but today I feel frisky. = Here's a sideways piece of nostalgia to maybe spur on some discussion... Anyone been around long enough to remember one of the first glass = grinders? I remember the ads from the old Studio magazine for one that = was a top that was designed to fit over and use the motor and blade = attachment of an ordinary household blender! By the way, if anyone can = find the ad I would love a copy... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 = (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained = glass supplier. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BECE28.5803A480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay, I've been lurking for awhile popping my head = up=20 occassionally when the mood warrants, sometimes disappointed in the=20 misinformation that sometimes occurs, sometimes inspired otherwise, but = today I=20 feel frisky. Here's a sideways piece of nostalgia to maybe spur on some=20 discussion...
 
    Anyone been around long enough to remember one = of the=20 first glass grinders? I remember the ads from the old Studio magazine = for one=20 that was a top that was designed to fit over and use the motor and blade = attachment of an ordinary household blender! By the way, if anyone can = find the=20 ad I would love a copy...
 
Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, = Canada, M8Y 1L2=20 (Tel:416-252-6868)
Canada's first and yes, still its only officially=20 sanctioned stained glass supplier.
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BECE28.5803A480-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 20:48:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass pathway- Shirley Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:49:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.104916.0> Precedence: bulk I just wanted to see more. I wish I could find a close up. To me it looks as if she used large pieces of glass ( a square foot?) in her mosaic. What else could you tell? While I was in Coronado, Ca, my husband and I passed a house where the entire front was done with a glass mosaic....it looked very old. It was like what the Navajo's call here a treasure necklace....a collection of glass scraps arranged in a random pattern. My husband turns to me and says, you could do that.....my response was NOT! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 20:52:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG bug repellant and air-conditioners, was Re: bungi fashion Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:44 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.232244.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/10/99 1:45:57 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: >You'd be doing nothing outside my house nekkid! Not unless you hose >yourself down with bug repellant first! UGh! One thing I noticed right away about England - I didn't see a single window screen *anywhere!* Spent a whole lot of time outdoors (who'da thunk I'd come home with a tan?) and got a total of 2 mosquito bites one evening when my gang and I were sitting out in the garden behind a pub, right at the river's edge.......... It would actually be possible to solder nekkid in a place that has such a sparse population of human-eating creatures! Congrats on the new a/c, Suzanne - looks like hubby must be starting to take you seriously :-) Sparks (ordinarily the mosquito's equivalent of steak tartare) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:02:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NOT GLASS-catalog-Debbie Date: Wed, 14 Jul 99 09:00:52 Message-ID: <199907150307.VAA05221@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Debbie, I couldn't send directly to you, for some reason, but can I have a catalog too? Please email me directly for my address.. Thanks! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:10:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:24:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: bungi fashion Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:52 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.232252.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/9/99 9:25:22 PM, Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in UK writes: >The Emperor would have taken fright, had a heart attack and died, had >he seen...... Awwwwwwww, c'mon. You're not *that* scary! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:12:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: "Color Harmony"....... and glass samples Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:48 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.232248.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/11/99 2:44:20 AM, soraya@cros.net writes: >Amazon.com and Borders.com say that it is out of print. Several subsequent posts have indicated that it's still available, but my 2 cents' worth anyway...... A lot of "color books" go out of print because they include a sizeable proportion of "trendy" color combinations. Even the Pantone Guides - the printer's "bible" of color matching - are updated every so often as Pantone formulates "new" colors and gets rid of out-of-style ones. Another thing to consider when looking for "ways to learn about color" is that color looks different in different media, and also in different styles and periods using the same media. Opaque samples - especially flat color chips - can never show you what glass will look like. It seems to me that the best thing to do once you've got the basics of color theory is to invest in some glass sample sets (if you haven't already) and just play around with them. That way you get a feel not only for basic color combinations, but also for textures and the way light plays on and through glass. Another thing to do is to go to art galleries and shows and museums, and take a close look at the ways artists use colors. My artist mom says her painting teacher (Wayne Thiebaud) told her class once, "First you learn the rules, then you learn how to break them." Look at the ways artists use the rules, and the ways they break them. Notice how the rules - and the prevailing color sense - change at different times...... and they change a lot! And keep playing with your glass, and notice what catches your eye and/or gets a strong gut reaction. I'll bet you'll be surprised at how much color sense you have if you follow your instincts. So much for my tuppence worth of rambling for now......... my body thinks it's 1:00 am, and my stomach has no idea what time it is (I really wanted breakfast at 4:00 this morning)........ p.s. I wrote this before I saw the thread on glass sample packs - I think it counts as a strong vote in favor of them! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:22:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: dalliance Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:30:55 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul15.23055.0> Precedence: bulk Here's an informative site. http://www.pfg.co.za/history.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:24:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: NG Boadicea meets Brunnhilde, was Re: Sparks 'n witchcraft??????? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:42 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.232242.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/9/99 8:17:01 PM, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: >Despite many odds Including Elisabeth's arrival at my place being delayed 2 hours by 2=20 road-destruction (oops, I mean construction..... no, I may have had it right=20 the first time) zones, one accident, and two funeral processions (which, she=20 tells me, move *very* slowly and you don't *dare* pass one)........ She trie= d=20 to phone me twice from her car but the lines were busy...... >Sparks and I met up in London town, had lunch=20 >together and spent a hot few hours around the Royal Festival Hall on=20 >the South Bank of the River Thames in London. We drove across town to the vicinity of Waterloo Station where I was to catc= h=20 the 5:00 train to Salisbury. Walked through the Royal Festival Hall, had a=20 glass of wine and caught the last few minutes of a free concert by a young=20 people's Big Band, they were HOT!!!!! Then walked across the street to a caf= e=20 that was built into one of the arches of the bridge there, found a table on=20 the sidewalk and had another glass of wine with our lunch. >We had a VERY "interesting" encounter with a car park attendant in=20 >London, but I will let her tell you the story herself (SHE saw the=20 >funny side!!!). Somewhere in our travels, the ticket to the car-park disappeared and we ende= d=20 up having to pay =A319 to get out, which was bad enough except that the=20 attendant (who was a bit full of himself as only a petty bureaucrat can be)=20 insisted that Elisabeth fill out a form reporting the lost ticket - which sh= e=20 wasn't about to do. She started raising hell at him that she had to deliver=20 an American to the train station in 5 minutes. The guy was also in the midst=20 of another argument with 2 other people, who started chiming in at him about=20 "let these poor people go, they're giving you the =A319, etc." At one point=20 Elisabeth revved up the car (a Saab, of course!) like she was about to crash=20 the gate. I think that scared him. It sure scared me (Elisabeth, I don't=20 think you saw me flinch - I was ready to dive under the dashboard)! Finally he called up his supervisor to find out what to do about all these=20 crazy people who were besieging him, and he handed the phone out the booth=20 window to Elisabeth, who let the supervisor know in no uncertain terms that=20 she wasn't going to fill out any bloody forms! So the guy finally took our=20 money, and because we didn't have a ticket to raise the gate, he had to get=20 out of the booth and detach the bar from the gate mechanism so we could get=20 out. By this time I was having a very hard time not laughing hysterically in spit= e=20 of (or maybe because of) the fact that I was on the verge of missing what I=20 thought would be the last train of the day, and I figured, what the hey, if = I=20 miss it and there's not a later one, we'll just go get dinner (and the next=20 round or two are on me) and maybe see a bit more of the city, then she can=20 deliver me back to where I was staying and I'll get a train tomorrow, and it=20 will be a real adventure! (I *do* have a rather warped sense of humor at=20 times.........) (I must admit, Elisabeth under full steam would be Very Scary if I didn't=20 know her at least somewhat already...... I kind of suspected she had it in=20 her to raise hell like that, and it was a pretty good performance. I half=20 expected her to go into a torrent of Swedish invective a la Crazy Viking, bu= t=20 it didn't happen.) So we charged on over to Waterloo Station and drove around it one and a half=20 times because we couldn't find either a place to park or anything resembling=20 a "main entrance." Finally Elisabeth pulled the car into the employees-only=20 lot and said, "You go on in and get your ticket, and I'll follow with your=20 luggage." So I dashed across the street (by this time it was 5:00) and took=20 about 10 minutes trying to find out where in the heck you get tickets for=20 anything except the underground. Finally found the ticket office in this sor= t=20 of hole in the wall and got my ticket for the next train out, which was due=20 to leave in 20 minutes. Elisabeth showed up with my luggage, we got a shop=20 attendant to take a picture of us together, and we hung out for a little=20 while before I had to leave. >The concerts in London went exceedingly well Actually it was only one in London and a concert and 2 church services in=20 Dartmouth - all of which went very well! >and according to Sparks,=20 >Christie has already been afforded "sainthood". Or at the very least, the Iron Constitution Award for packing up and moving=20 shop lock, stock, and barrel with very little interruption in the ongoing=20 work! >Authorities and weather allowing, she is now stalking ghosts and=20 >ghoulies around Stonehenge, before further jorneying to Dartmouth in=20 >the West Country.=20 I did spend a couple of hours on Friday afternoon at Stonehenge, having take= n=20 the regular local bus out there instead of opting for the tour with some of=20 my fellow travellers. I just wanted to be away from a gang of people while I=20 was there. You can get a handset gadget with a programmed self-guided tour,=20 and there are plenty of real people around to answer questions (and=20 incidentally keep you from climbing the bluestones). Also wandered around Old Sarum (at the northern edge of the town of=20 Salisbury) for a while...... the place was technically closed for the night,=20 but the locals showed me the back way in. Lots of people go up there on=20 summer evenings. The only part you can't get to when it's closed is the old=20 fort on top of the hill. So...... that's *part* of Sparky's Amazing Adventures in Wonderland..... I'm=20 ready to go back next week (but with only about half as much luggage this=20 time!!!!!!!!!)........ .........back to the 290 e-mails that have accumulated since I left on the=20 5th...... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:29:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Maxfield Parrish, was Re: Mosaics...Tiffany Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:39 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.232239.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/12/99 12:13:54 AM, soraya@cros.net writes: >I know what you mean about seeing Sue Lewin in 'every' person Parish painted >just about....it is kinda funny once you get used to it!! And he himself was the model for a lot of the male characters in his paintings - he was a master of self-caricature! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:32:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Mike Figgy" , , Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:48:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.194824.0> References: <<1999Jul14.143411.0>> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where online I could view this glass? Sounds wonderful!! mary > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:33:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:50 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.232250.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/14/99 12:54:24 AM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: >I stopped in to offer to sandblast the >grandstand clean and you would have thought I had been sent from heaven. >[...] >Wish me luck and please send suggestions for keeping my mouth shut. You get the sainthood award for the day - or maybe the week. Good luck! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:36:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Sparks at Stonehenge Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:23:04 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.23234.0> Precedence: bulk vmodiano@ctronsoft.com's inquiring mind wants to know: >How many ghosts did you bag? None; I don't think they're about much during the day. But being energy-sensitive, I did get quite a "buzz" from the place! I did get someone to take a picture of me there - we'll see if any ghosties show up in the picture...... Sparks who's finally come to the end of the 290 e-mails..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:40:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Re: People Eating Tasty Animals Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:46 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul14.232246.0> Precedence: bulk A few daze ago, Vic M. asked: >Who wants to eat raw animal? All those who go for steak tartare, oysters on the half-shell, sushi (technically sashimi, actually)....... Waiter! I'll have the steak tartare, please...... hold the anchovies! Sparks Card-carrying member of People Eating Tasty Animals ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Charles R. Clark" Subject: Re: glass samples Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:22:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.1228.0> References: <<1999Jul14.43956.0@?>> Precedence: bulk OK Charles. I rise to challenges (sometimes) I find sample sets essential, although limited. They are an essential starting point, they can be placed in conjunction with one another, they give the code number to enable me to buy from remote suppliers. They are limited by the small size (necessary for portability and economy) for more variegated glasses. They are now supplemented by pictures on the web sites of some manufacturers. Steve In message <1999Jul14.43956.0@?>, Charles R. Clark writes >Trying for a response to yet another question. > >I've notice glass sample packs for sale. Do ANY of you find these to be >of use. That is, with the multicolored types of glass? >Gosh....wonder if more than one will respond to this one? :-) >C. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:48:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:58:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Archives of rec.crafts.glass Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:01:07 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.817.0> Precedence: bulk That was a good site Bud. Thanks Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt To: hotglass@list.bb.net Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:32 AM Subject: Archives of rec.crafts.glass |http://www.riordanartistry.com//htm/faq/faqtitl.htm | |Was looking for info on using mica with hot glass beads, found this archive. |Thought others might be interested also. | |Sincerely, |Bud Britt | |computerministry@unitytustin.org | |Intrastar Glass List Website |http://glass.intrastar.net | | | | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:48:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Zeusluvr@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: "New" Glass I Found Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:14:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.161421.0> Precedence: bulk None of our Fremont (which is mouthblown and thus more expensive) is listed in a = wholesale catalog as "G Multi" .... am presuming it means multi-color. Price range wholesale is $12 - $21 per s.f. so double that for retail. We've paid up to = $35 s.f. wholesale for hot pink flash. Any of the mouthblown glasses will be in that ballpark.... so, depending on the color you purchased you probably did just fine. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 21:54:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:19:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!atayloreddesign From: Delores Taylor To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fremont Glass Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199907150017.UAA05800@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Fremont Glass is hand blown glass made in Seattle WA. It is expensive since it's hand blown. I do not believe they sell retail or wholesale only to distributors. The unique colors give an artistic flare that few other glass manufacturers can match. Great for those commisions that make it worthwhile to use such an expensive choice. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 22:01:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!wendy_larson From: "Wendy Larson" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Doberman Pinscher pattern Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:33:33 CDT Message-ID: <1999Jul15.03333.0> Precedence: bulk I need a pattern for just the head or head/neck/shoulder of a Dobie. My husband has a blue Dobie and I finally found the perfect piece of glass that is the most unusual blue grey. But I can not find the pattern anywhere. This is to be used as part of a mirror that will go on the back of a dresser top men's antique valet. Thanks in advance to anyone that can help!!!! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 22:10:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG bug repellant and air-conditioners, was Re: bungi fashion Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:21:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.202127.0> Precedence: bulk >One thing I noticed right away about England - I didn't see a single window >screen *anywhere!* You won't find screens in most of Europe (at least the parts I lived in....France and Germany)...I never saw them in any of my travels elsewhere either.......there simply is not the flying critter problem there that there is here in the States. Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 14 22:39:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG:t-chat Date: Wed Jul 14 21:20:51 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.185851.0> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk i am going to cheat and take the easy way out (worked to many hours today to type in any long sentences that make any sense) i agree with linda jo, brian ....etc we have had these comments before, and understandably the list is not going to be for everyone....i think brian making the strongest point in the fact that we had not heard from her....when i read her name, i thought, well-who is this? if she had some input and we just ignored her and didn't reply to her, i would understand but i had never even seen her name before, and it was not a common name well, i am rambling....glad i type with my fingers and not my feet, they hurt too bad right now thanx debbie debbie taylor taylor'd Expressions "Your complete art glass supply source." kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com/ 1-888-488-9616 (toll free) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 00:58:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Big mouth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:42:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul14.144249.0> Precedence: bulk Many thanks for all the kind words. I am very glad that I put my mouth where my thoughts were. The work went well but is only half done. Turned out to be a much harder job removing the graffiti than I had thought. I shot 800 pounds of crystal silica and have a new load of 800 pounds for tomorrow. The half of the football grandstand backside that is done shows no trace of the paint. Some of it WAS words that begin with S and F. At various times during the day I was visited by the Principle, Vice Principle, and Captain of the football team. I now have an Escondido High School hat, a Cougars hat and tickets to Saturdays game. The Captain (looked like a boy to me) thanked me for helping to repair the damage to his teams new stadium. Good thing he beat a hasty retreat because I was struck with memories of my proud football days at Saint A. They still make wonderful children. Hard and hot work yes but very satisfying. Got to operate a new Hawthorne high lift that does everything but talk. Don't know what one of these babies costs but this one rents for $175.00 a day. More tomorrow. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 06:53:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 05:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: A nice decription Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:49:32 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.164932.0> Precedence: bulk I was writing to a friends just moments ago, about a decription of glass that I consider the best. I am quoting it here (for the our younger friends of course, most must hace certainly read it. >From "How to work in Stained Glass" by the Isenbergs "But no definition of glass is satisfactory in terms of describing all the permutations of this remarkable material. Physically it is a paradox, chemically it is idiosyncratic, artistically it is challenging, pragmatically it is ubiquitous, prismatically it is spectacular, ocularly it both near and far seeing" Have you seen a description of this wonderful material that you like to share? Wonder how Dale Chihuly would describe glass. Has anyone ever asked him that? Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 07:37:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG bug repellant and air-conditioners, was Re: bungi Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:46:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.5465.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Soraya" >You won't find screens in most of Europe (at least the parts I lived in....France and Germany)...I never saw them in any of my travels elsewhe= re either.......there simply is not the flying critter problem there that there is here in the States.< Same is true is New Zealand. But the locals do favor bug spray indoors which I find yucky. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 08:46:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:52:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com, glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:50:10 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul15.145010.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/15/99 3:59:43 AM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: >Many thanks for all the kind words. I am very glad that I put my mouth >where my thoughts were. [...] > >Got to operate a new Hawthorne >high lift that does everything but talk. Awwwwwww, Mr. Sawyer, can I help you paint that fence? I just can't resist MORE POWER!!!!!!!!!! :-) But seriously, you're a Real Hero, guy! Enjoy that game, and holler out a few cheers for yourself while you're at it! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 10:24:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Big mouth Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:12:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.2125.0> References: <<1999Jul14.144249.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > Many thanks for all the kind words. I am very glad that I put my mouth where > my thoughts were. > > The work went well but is only half done. Turned out to be a much harder job > removing the graffiti than I had thought. I shot 800 pounds of crystal > silica and have a new load of 800 pounds for tomorrow. The half of the > football grandstand backside that is done shows no trace of the paint. Some > of it WAS words that begin with S and F. > > At various times during the day I was visited by the Principle, Vice > Principle, and Captain of the football team. I now have an Escondido High > School hat, a Cougars hat and tickets to Saturdays game. The Captain (looked > like a boy to me) thanked me for helping to repair the damage to his teams > new stadium. Good thing he beat a hasty retreat because I was struck with > memories of my proud football days at Saint A. They still make wonderful > children. > > Hard and hot work yes but very satisfying. Got to operate a new Hawthorne > high lift that does everything but talk. Don't know what one of these babies > costs but this one rents for $175.00 a day. More tomorrow. Good for you Bob Duchesneau. This is a good thing yer doin'. More power to ya. What was that thang about "cast your bread upon the waters and it shall be returned to you." ? Something like that anyway. Hopefully, some of those young people seeing you do this for their school will do the same thing later on, when its their turn so to speak. Highest regards ....... Bob Kerr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 13:45:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG bug repellant and air-conditioners, was Re: bungi Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:36:26 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul15.193626.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/15/99 10:39:08 AM, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: >Same is true is New Zealand. But the locals do favor bug spray indoors >which I find yucky. Gak. My mom used to do that inside the tent when we went camping. Once we got the tent zipped up for the night she'd take out the Raid and spray away. I used to pull my sleeping bag over my head to filter out the smell, and she'd yell at me that I was going to suffocate if I did that. I always figured that suffocating inside the sleeping bag would be a far more pleasant end than suffocating from the stinky old bug spray........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 14:07:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: fremont glasss Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:09:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.6923.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Cline's in Portland Or.(remember the place with the sign) sells 5 colors of fremont ranging from $14.50-25.25 retail. I don't know if that is by the lb. or square foot. Help me out here Howard, you should know. They had one awhile back, that was clear and it lookes like it had rainbow balloons floating in it. Gorgeous stuff. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 15:21:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:23:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:13:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.11135.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BECEDC.EB6BF380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We have heard from many of the members of the chat group about our web = site, they have been so nice with compliments on my works of art, & most = of them want to know when & if I was comming out with a book, on how to = make the three-dimensional stained glass items I have on my site = www.stainedglasslamps.com I now have come out with an instructional book for sale but I don't know = how to get ahold of these great folks, can you help me out? 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BECEDC.EB6BF380-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 15:54:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.133231.0> Precedence: bulk I have received a call from a women who saw my work at a demonstration I did in June. She has two sidelights at front door 6.5" x 36". I do not use patterns for my work/style, which she said "I've been looking for you my whole life" (now if a man said that... I called a member of our guild who has done many windows. She said it should be lead because with copper foil the panel may/could crack/break from the vibration of the door closing. What do you think? I am meeting with the client this weekend and if it should not be done in foil I will pass. KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 16:11:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:56:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:04:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.10436.0> Precedence: bulk I'm just a lowly hobbyist. I've asked my local retailer for Fremont and they've never heard of it. Is there any way I can buy some, from Fremont or anyone else, being just a one-person little show? Anyone know? Shari From: Shirley Balloch >Cline's in Portland Or.(remember the place with the sign) sells 5 colors >of fremont ranging from $14.50-25.25 retail. I don't know if that is by >the lb. or square foot. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 16:45:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:10:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.8102.0> Precedence: bulk Because Freemont is primarily clear it is not a glass I can/would use for lamps. I do not remember if it by the pound or square foot. It is to the advantage of the seller to charge by the pound as you get to pay for the rolled edge, too. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 17:13:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: bungi fashion Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199907152228.WAA32256@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey! .... Are you SURE about that??!! That's not quite the image I'd like to get across. You know....!..... The Viking with horns on! Devouring little beaurocratic little chaps for breakfast; prancing about in my garden at midnight with solder blobs on my tummy button. You are SPOILING my image!!! See ya soon!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > In a message dated 7/9/99 9:25:22 PM, Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in UK > writes: > > >The Emperor would have taken fright, had a heart attack and died, had > >he seen...... > > Awwwwwwww, c'mon. You're not *that* scary! > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 17:35:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG bug repellant and air-conditioners, was Re: bungi fashion Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199907152228.WAA32253@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Petal, I am glad you wern't attacked by the flying critters. What you didn't see along Old Father Thames as we were having our lunch was the back end of a rat - as large as a Jack Russell terrier, disappearing down towards the Riverbank. . It was the biggest rat I have seen since I spent some time along the river Seine in Paris some 25 years ago. Phew. Glad you made it back safe and sound..... Looking forward to NO car parking hassle meeting with you in a few weeks time..... If I had had to strangle that guy with my bare hands..... I think you know I would have done it.... If not, I think I would have caused a hell of a lot of damage to the London City Car Park Authority Car Parks Property......... ;-> ( I had wicked schemes on that telephone piece that guy handed to me......) .....and ENJOYED every second of it.....!!! Glad you enjoyed it!! See ya!! Elisabeth 'n unfortunately absent Toby (who would have relished a West Indian steak.....) > In a message dated 7/10/99 1:45:57 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > > >You'd be doing nothing outside my house nekkid! Not unless you hose > >yourself down with bug repellant first! UGh! > > One thing I noticed right away about England - I didn't see a single window > screen *anywhere!* Spent a whole lot of time outdoors (who'da thunk I'd come > home with a tan?) and got a total of 2 mosquito bites one evening when my > gang and I were sitting out in the garden behind a pub, right at the river's > edge.......... It would actually be possible to solder nekkid in a place that > has such a sparse population of human-eating creatures! > > Congrats on the new a/c, Suzanne - looks like hubby must be starting to take > you seriously :-) > > > Sparks > (ordinarily the mosquito's equivalent of steak tartare) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 17:39:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:27:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Russian Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199907152228.WAA32237@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Busy packing....... Out of lurker mode, there will be a couple of responses from Across The Pond on one or two things. This was one of them that caught my eye. Over the years I have had occasions to buy East European AND Russian glass. , the latter of which I have had occasions to buy..... WHEN available. My experience of Russian Glass is that it is a very good quality glass - easy to cut and work Very similar to French half antique. As regards the colours and the colour mixes; it has never been disappointing.... often there are colours to "die for"; old "pot blues - for instance- that haven't been made in the rest of Europe for hundreds of years. I still have a few 1/4 sheets left of blues, turqouise and greens that I bought about 2 years ago from a batch of Russian glass I stumbled on. My advice: Go get samples, do go and see, try and get a few of you together to buy together - if at all possible. It's beautiful glass - of what I know of it.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Don't know if any of you are interested, and I hope I'm not going to get > flamed for this, but I thought it worth the effort to pass it on... I found > a post on the ArtGlass World board and sent an inquiry. A fellow had > surplus glass for sale for $1 per sheet (which sounded great). A follow-up > email brought back this reply: > > Hello Dawn, > I'm glad to hear from you. > This glass is cathedral and made in Russia by old glass-factory. > They make colored glass more than 200 years. > So, offered glass is good quality. > It is a surplus of big unfinished project in Moscow. > Approx. volume is half of 20' container or more. > Sheet size - 25cm x 25cm (9.8" x 9.8") > Thickness - 3mm (1/8") > I don't know exact quantity of sheets > because anybody re-counted it for a long time. > I re-counted red glass only. There is approx. 14,000 sheets of red. > I think cost of shipping will be acceptable > and total cost of glass will remain very profitable. > I can forward glass from Tallinn Estonia. > Cost of shipping 20' cont. from Tallinn to Montreal is approx. US$ 2,200 > What is your port of delivery? > How many glass do you need? > > I think to hold glass in hands is more better than to talk about it. > I can send you a glass set and offer you three delivery ways: > > 1. by post (cost - US$ 10, delivery time - a. 30-40 days) > 2. by air mail (US$ 20, a. 20-25 days) > 3. by express mail (US$ 65, 5-7days) > > You pay only for delivery. Glass samples will be free for you. > If you agree please inform me your address and delivery way. > I will answer to any your questions with pleasure. > > Best regards, > Valery > > I don't have the finances to pull this one off though. *Sigh* The glass > deal of a lifetime, and here I sit. > > So if anyone is interested, email me and I'll give you the add'y. Or maybe > several of us could pool and split the shipment? Hmm... interesting. > > Dawn > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 19:58:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG bug repellant and air-conditioners, was Re: bungi fashion Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199907152228.WAA32253@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Petal, I am glad you wern't attacked by the flying critters. What you didn't see along Old Father Thames as we were having our lunch was the back end of a rat - as large as a Jack Russell terrier, disappearing down towards the Riverbank. . It was the biggest rat I have seen since I spent some time along the river Seine in Paris some 25 years ago. Phew. Glad you made it back safe and sound..... Looking forward to NO car parking hassle meeting with you in a few weeks time..... If I had had to strangle that guy with my bare hands..... I think you know I would have done it.... If not, I think I would have caused a hell of a lot of damage to the London City Car Park Authority Car Parks Property......... ;-> ( I had wicked schemes on that telephone piece that guy handed to me......) .....and ENJOYED every second of it.....!!! Glad you enjoyed it!! See ya!! Elisabeth 'n unfortunately absent Toby (who would have relished a West Indian steak.....) > In a message dated 7/10/99 1:45:57 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > > >You'd be doing nothing outside my house nekkid! Not unless you hose > >yourself down with bug repellant first! UGh! > > One thing I noticed right away about England - I didn't see a single window > screen *anywhere!* Spent a whole lot of time outdoors (who'da thunk I'd come > home with a tan?) and got a total of 2 mosquito bites one evening when my > gang and I were sitting out in the garden behind a pub, right at the river's > edge.......... It would actually be possible to solder nekkid in a place that > has such a sparse population of human-eating creatures! > > Congrats on the new a/c, Suzanne - looks like hubby must be starting to take > you seriously :-) > > > Sparks > (ordinarily the mosquito's equivalent of steak tartare) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 20:18:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:27:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Russian Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199907152228.WAA32237@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Busy packing....... Out of lurker mode, there will be a couple of responses from Across The Pond on one or two things. This was one of them that caught my eye. Over the years I have had occasions to buy East European AND Russian glass. , the latter of which I have had occasions to buy..... WHEN available. My experience of Russian Glass is that it is a very good quality glass - easy to cut and work Very similar to French half antique. As regards the colours and the colour mixes; it has never been disappointing.... often there are colours to "die for"; old "pot blues - for instance- that haven't been made in the rest of Europe for hundreds of years. I still have a few 1/4 sheets left of blues, turqouise and greens that I bought about 2 years ago from a batch of Russian glass I stumbled on. My advice: Go get samples, do go and see, try and get a few of you together to buy together - if at all possible. It's beautiful glass - of what I know of it.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Don't know if any of you are interested, and I hope I'm not going to get > flamed for this, but I thought it worth the effort to pass it on... I found > a post on the ArtGlass World board and sent an inquiry. A fellow had > surplus glass for sale for $1 per sheet (which sounded great). A follow-up > email brought back this reply: > > Hello Dawn, > I'm glad to hear from you. > This glass is cathedral and made in Russia by old glass-factory. > They make colored glass more than 200 years. > So, offered glass is good quality. > It is a surplus of big unfinished project in Moscow. > Approx. volume is half of 20' container or more. > Sheet size - 25cm x 25cm (9.8" x 9.8") > Thickness - 3mm (1/8") > I don't know exact quantity of sheets > because anybody re-counted it for a long time. > I re-counted red glass only. There is approx. 14,000 sheets of red. > I think cost of shipping will be acceptable > and total cost of glass will remain very profitable. > I can forward glass from Tallinn Estonia. > Cost of shipping 20' cont. from Tallinn to Montreal is approx. US$ 2,200 > What is your port of delivery? > How many glass do you need? > > I think to hold glass in hands is more better than to talk about it. > I can send you a glass set and offer you three delivery ways: > > 1. by post (cost - US$ 10, delivery time - a. 30-40 days) > 2. by air mail (US$ 20, a. 20-25 days) > 3. by express mail (US$ 65, 5-7days) > > You pay only for delivery. Glass samples will be free for you. > If you agree please inform me your address and delivery way. > I will answer to any your questions with pleasure. > > Best regards, > Valery > > I don't have the finances to pull this one off though. *Sigh* The glass > deal of a lifetime, and here I sit. > > So if anyone is interested, email me and I'll give you the add'y. Or maybe > several of us could pool and split the shipment? Hmm... interesting. > > Dawn > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 20:30:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:19:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass samples Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:23:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.132346.0> Precedence: bulk I use them all the time... I keep one box of assorted samples that I keep in stock to show customers and also look through them when trying to find the right color for a particular job.... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Clark To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:07 AM Subject: glass samples >Trying for a response to yet another question. > >I've notice glass sample packs for sale. Do ANY of you find these to be >of use. That is, with the multicolored types of glass? >Gosh....wonder if more than one will respond to this one? :-) >C. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 20:36:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Mosfunland@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:58:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.85849.0> References: <<1999Jul14.145254.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk actually in the "if you cant beat em join em" category...there is a lot of "street art" in places like NY, Boston, LA that is based on the graffiti and turned into huge murals. Some of it looks pretty nice:) Its not the graffiti..its what it stands for..the violence and lack of value for other people thats so wrong, the gang equivalent of dogs marking their territory...not the fact that someone took a can of spray paint and did some unauthorized printing. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 20:50:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:51:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.85111.0> References: <<1999Jul12.2172.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi all.. To-Yo, To-Yo, it's off to cut we go.... (musical accompaniment needed) Seriously, I use two Toyo cutters....the pistol grip, and the pencil style. Both have oil reservoirs, and with a 60-40 mix of 3-in-1 to cutting oil they don't leak. I change back and forth as my hand and arm get tired during long cutting sessions. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Bud Britt wrote: > Hello PJ, > > I found a little ditty at the glass store that is wonderful for my wrist, it > is a short self-oiling barrel, (forgot the name, Jacobson or something > cutter, it is a Toyo cutter, I think)with a saddle that fits in the area > between your index finger and thumb, the pressure that you used to apply > with your index finger and thumb is now coming from the hand (upper palm) > itself, infact from the fleshy part. So is much easier on the wrist, and > hand. Great for patterns, can take them curves with ease. Took a little to > get used to, only now I rarely use the normal barrel type. > > For another friend on the lists,,, > > Oh, forgot, ;-), it's one of them newfangled tools, ain't been out for very > long, so might not be approved. ;-) > > Glad to see you posting, my glass friend, ;-), and it do not take two to > agree to be friends, only one, who is willing to be friends ;-),,, > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > Intrastar Glass List Website > http://glass.intrastar.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PJ Jellison > To: Stained Glass > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 06:30 AM > Subject: Any recommendations on new cutter? > > > Hi All, > > > > Anybody have a recommendation on cutters? I've been using one > > of the "old-fashioned disposable" metal ones (my retailer's > > description), > > and I like it, but he is suggesting I might have an easier time with one > > that delivers oil as you cut, either the pistol-grip or straight > > kind; he likes both. Is there a difference in ease of handling between > > the two? My wrist is kind of weak (the result of an encounter with > > a wildcat many years ago). Do you folks tend to use one type, or do > > you have a "library" of cutters that you use for different types of glass? > > > > Cheers, > > PJ Jellison > > (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 20:50:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:38:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.93849.0> Precedence: bulk Foil versus lead has been a hot topic in the past. There should be a lot on the controversy in the archives. In short, I feel foil works great for panels. Other people feel the greater stiffness will cause cracking. I personally feel the lesser ability to flex of foil is better handled by proper framing techniques. I will admit modern foil techniques do not have the years of history behind them to prove it either way. So far no one I have heard has done accelerated weather testing on fully assembled panels. So I do not have 50 or a hundred years of data to prove my point. I have tested new foil panels for weather resistance and leakage and have found them to be as good as cemented lead came work. My tests assume quality materials and construction of both foil and lead methods. One of the foil tape companies did accelerated weather testing on the glues used in their foil tapes which were sufficient to satisfy me the foil technique would hold leakage resistance for years to come. However, I have still not seen test on full panels nor from an independent objective source to prove the point. I have also tested two small panels done in lead versus foil. In very simple (and I will admit unscientific) stress testing by pushing on the center of the panels, the glass in the foil panel cracked only slightly before the lead panel. I think I proved fairly well in a prior discussion by going through the mathematics of the various coefficients of expansion involved that the temperature expansion / contraction of glass in combination with either foil or lead should not make any difference between the two techniques. Within normal temperature ranges soldered foil versus lead are so close that here should be no difference. My basic point in all of these discussion is that it is much more important to pay attention to proper hanging, support, and framing techniques than whether the panel is done in foil or lead. If the framing and support does not allow for shifting, flexing, expansion., etc. then the added flexibility of lead will not help at all. The window will break no matter what. If the panel is properly held then the slightly increased stiffness of foil will be easily handled and the panel should not break. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:01:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: David Cogen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:15:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.91545.0> References: <<199907141630.MAA24650@ll.mit.edu>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk David Cogen wrote: > > Hey, I like grafitti too! > > At least those kids are doing something about all those ugly bare concrete > walls. > > It's disgusting the way the city rushes out to obliterate every trace of > individual expression and decoration. > > David I agree 100%....see my other post on the subject about "city art"...I have NO problem with people wanting to get a little "creative" on buildings and what have you. Now the stuff which is a way for gangs to leave little "calling cards" for each other...now thats another matter altogether...but thats not because one person is making a judgement about how "ugly" something is just because it sullies their cultured view, its becasue of what the gangs are doing with their markings and messages to each other..but running around painting over gang graffiti is just another liberal feel good solution that makes them feel they are really doing something about the problem of alienated youth. Its a lot easier to paint over some gang graffiti and tut tut about how bad the youth are today than to get out there and try and help those kids. Personally I dont mind graffiti at all....what I do mind is seeing beer cans all over the place and beautiful land gutted because of all the greedy people who just cant make do with whats here and have to build, build and build some more. I think a bulldozer is a lot more ugly than a spray can. We get a lot of it where I live...all the Californians have raped their state so now they come up to Idaho and Montana so they can destroy this area too....now THATS ugly...not some spray paint on a building or a bridge. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:03:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:39:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Mike Figgy" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: weird tools Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 05:29:42 Message-ID: <199907152336.RAA13836@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk oh my! Nope don't remember that.. I've been doing glass only since 1980, seriously since 83... and started with linesman's pliers and a carborundum stone (which I still have.. lost the pliers tho!) Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:12:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Layering glass Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:08:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.16844.0> Precedence: bulk I have done layering in small bits here and there, but tried something more ambitious, layering wavy textured cathedral over pale blue to get more of feel of water. Let me tell you, everything that could go wrong did! (Except it WILL be beautiful when I finally finish!) Of course, I should have been forwarned, since it was a day that I swear even the foil refused to tin! Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:56:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.155646.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "K See" >I called a member of our guild who has done many windows. She said it should be lead because with copper foil the panel may/could crack/break from the= vibration of the door closing.< I only do sidelights in copper-foil. Never had a problem. But...you might want to check out this about sidelights. The dimensions you mentioned 6.5" x 36" make me believe they may be part of a standard manufacturer's (Stanley Doors) door kit. This is the easiest type of sidelights to do! Go to the house. Check on the inside of the existing sidelights. By inside I mean you're standing in the hallway looking outside through the sidelights. Now, check to see if there are screws holding the plastic sidelight frames together. You see, Stanley Doors makes these sidelights so that screws on the inside go right through the frame and hold the outside frame together, with the insullated glass forming the "meat" of the sandwitch. You might have to dig through putty to find the screws. If the frame looks plastic rather than wood, it's a real good chance you're dealing with a door kit. If you are, they are a standard size! The half-size door kit from Stanley features glass of 8" x 36", but only 6.5" show due to the frame hiding some of the glass. But you can unscrew the frame, take the inside frame with you for your template, make the stained glass panel to fit inside the frame (8x36), take it back to the house, and simply place the stained glass panel up against the existing insullated glass, screw the frame back together, and voila - you've installed it! No guesswork. No measuring and remeasuring. No problems trying to figure out a way to install the thing. And if your customer doesn't like the frames with the cross pieces, you can special order replacement sidelight kits without the cross pieces= from you local Stanley Door distributor. I do this all the time. The Stanley Door full-sized sidelight kit features standard glass sizes of 7" x 64". And if you want to make sure the stained glass panels will stay put, glue them into the frame with a little good old GE Silicon clear. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:27:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:21:27 -0400 Message-ID: <199907160022.UAA14706@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 7/15/99 6:10 PM Howard weaver51@teleport.com >Because Freemont is primarily clear it is not a glass I can/would use for >lamps. >I do not remember if it by the pound or square foot. I buy it by the square foot. And I dole it out to myself very, very stingily. suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:27:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: bungi fashion Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:44:49 -0400 Message-ID: <199907160045.UAA17485@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Sparks said about Elisabeth: >> Awwwwwwww, c'mon. You're not *that* scary! Of course this leads one to believe you are at least a *little bit* scary. Ooooooh. Patrick, I believe you need to borrow Charles' asbestos suit to put over your tutu. Just in case. suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:37:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:41:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "K See" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:59:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.165937.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "K See" > I called a member of our guild who has done many windows. She said it should be lead because with copper foil the panel may/could crack/break from the= vibration of the door closing. What do you think?< Michael's response to that one is: "If there's THAT much vibration in your sidelights from closing the door, they need to re-build the house!" If it was a doorlight, it might be another issue, though I don't think the differences between copper foil and lead are that substantial in this scenario. Sidelight or doorlight, I think you can = comfortably offer copper foil as readily as lead work and we're presuming either would be installed inside and next to regular exterior glazing so weather would not be an issue. Correct? Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:43:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:40:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.174056.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Howard" >Because Freemont is primarily clear it is not a glass I can/would use fo= r lamps. I do not remember if it by the pound or square foot.< We buy it by the square foot and I would check with Warner-Crivellaro or Meredith to see if they stock it. Fremont is a good glass to use if you work with cathedrals. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 21:55:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Russian Glass Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:40:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.174053.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" > Over the years I have had occasions to buy East European AND Russian = glass. , the latter of which I have had occasions to buy..... WHEN = available. My experience of Russian Glass is that it is a very good = quality glass - easy to cut and work Very similar to French half = antique. As regards the colours and the colour mixes; it has never = been disappointing.... often there are colours to "die for"; old "pot = blues - for instance- that haven't been made in the rest of Europe = for hundreds of years.< I wonder if W-C or Meredith picked up on this post? = Maybe someone should forward to them direct.... is always nice to have more selection of good reds.... Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 22:12:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:51:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: ATFSI@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fwd: warning about another possible virus Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:42:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.11422.0> References: <<1999Jul14.171151.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi all...our IT team where I work checked this out with both McAfee and Symantec (Norton Virus Detector). "Wobble" is a hoax. But, one should always have one's virus detector updated and on line, just in case. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder ATFSI@aol.com wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: warning about another possible virus > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:04:56 -0400 > From: pbradshaw@vicr.com > To: atfsi@aol.com, mbradsy@aol.com > > > > ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ > Subject: RE: warning about another possible virus > Author: Daryl Holeva at Internet > Date: 7/14/99 11:48 AM > > RE: warning about another possible virus > > > another virus warning. To check validity, go to the AOL home page, > they have lists of new viruses. > > > > > A new virus is around named WOBBLER. > > > > > So just in case you do no know about it yet, please read > > > what it says below: > > > It will arrive on an e-mail titled "CALIFORNIA". > > > IBM and AOL have announced that it is VERY powerful > > > (more so than the Melissa virus) and has no remedy. > > > > > > It will EAT all your information on the hard drive and > > > also destroys Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. > > > DO NOT open anything with this title and please pass > > > this message on to all your contacts and anyone who uses your > e-mail > > > facility. > > > > > > Not many people seem to know about this yet, so > > > propagate it as fast and as possible! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ! > > > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 22:23:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.1813.0> References: <<1999Jul15.8102.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: > > Because Freemont is primarily clear it is not a glass I can/would use for > lamps. > I do not remember if it by the pound or square foot. > It is to the advantage of the seller to charge by the pound as you get to > pay for the rolled edge, too. > enjoy, H > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > > ---- though the rolled edge isn't all that bad either. it's good for natural box lids... and stuff. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 22:38:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:11:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:58:25 -0700 Message-ID: <199907160058.RAA26565@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >I'm just a lowly hobbyist. I've asked my local retailer for Fremont and >they've never heard of it. Is there any way I can buy some, from Fremont or >anyone else, being just a one-person little show? Anyone know? > >Shari Northwest ARt Glass in Seattle, Washington carries Fremont Art Glass. Their number is 1-800-888-9444 (toll free in US and Canada)...by the way you can register for Elisabeth's workshop there at the same time! C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 22:47:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: "New" Glass I Found Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:33:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.183330.0> Precedence: bulk Very funny! From the posts, I gathered it was so rare and hard to find, I assumed it would not be available locally. FYI... aside from answering mails, I don't spend much time at my computer. I'm very busy with my hair salon, my art business and my two teenage boys. Thanks .,.. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 22:51:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Mary" , , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.17257.0> References: <<00f501bece74$e4742e20$ed358118@computer>> Precedence: bulk Hey, I've got a great idea- why not actually leave your computer and go visit some stained glass stores and see if you can find some Fremont and look at it in person... > Does anyone know where online I could view this glass? Sounds wonderful!! > mary > > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 23:01:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Fw: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:58:44 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.225844.0> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk > Hi PJ, > I'm not sure if this is the same cutter that Bud's talking about, but I'm > looking at the Winter 1998-99 edition of Glass Patterns Quarterly and > there's an ad for something called a KUMFORT KUTTER, It looks almost like a > wooden door knob. the ad says "Handle designed for weak or Arthritic hands > **fits Toyo and Inland Cutter heads only, cutter head not included with > handle." > Unfortunately the ad has no contact address! It's listed under an ad for > "Beautiful Glass - look for Beautiful glass with Kitty Kelley on your local > PBS station" > Hope this helps! > Katie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bud Britt > To: PJ Jellison > Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 1999 2:17 > Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? > > > > Hello PJ, > > > > I found a little ditty at the glass store that is wonderful for my wrist, > it > > is a short self-oiling barrel, (forgot the name, Jacobson or something > > cutter, it is a Toyo cutter, I think)with a saddle that fits in the area > > between your index finger and thumb, the pressure that you used to apply > > with your index finger and thumb is now coming from the hand (upper palm) > > itself, infact from the fleshy part. So is much easier on the wrist, and > > hand. Great for patterns, can take them curves with ease. Took a little to > > get used to, only now I rarely use the normal barrel type. > > > > For another friend on the lists,,, > > > > Oh, forgot, ;-), it's one of them newfangled tools, ain't been out for > very > > long, so might not be approved. ;-) > > > > Glad to see you posting, my glass friend, ;-), and it do not take two to > > agree to be friends, only one, who is willing to be friends ;-),,, > > > > Sincerely, > > Bud Britt > > > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > > > Intrastar Glass List Website > > http://glass.intrastar.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: PJ Jellison > > To: Stained Glass > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 06:30 AM > > Subject: Any recommendations on new cutter? > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Anybody have a recommendation on cutters? I've been using one > > > of the "old-fashioned disposable" metal ones (my retailer's > > > description), > > > and I like it, but he is suggesting I might have an easier time with one > > > that delivers oil as you cut, either the pistol-grip or straight > > > kind; he likes both. Is there a difference in ease of handling between > > > the two? My wrist is kind of weak (the result of an encounter with > > > a wildcat many years ago). Do you folks tend to use one type, or do > > > you have a "library" of cutters that you use for different types of > glass? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > PJ Jellison > > > (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 15 23:07:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: "Dave & Lynn Loda" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:27:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.142756.0> References: <<1999Jul15.85111.0>> Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Bud; It called a Thomas Grip Cutter. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? > Hi all.. > > To-Yo, To-Yo, it's off to cut we go.... (musical accompaniment needed) > Seriously, I use two Toyo cutters....the pistol grip, and the pencil style. > Both have > oil reservoirs, and with a 60-40 mix of 3-in-1 to cutting oil they don't leak. > I change back and forth as my hand and arm get tired during long cutting > sessions. > > Best regards, > Cheryl Ryder > > Bud Britt wrote: > > > Hello PJ, > > > > I found a little ditty at the glass store that is wonderful for my wrist, it > > is a short self-oiling barrel, (forgot the name, Jacobson or something > > cutter, it is a Toyo cutter, I think)with a saddle that fits in the area > > between your index finger and thumb, the pressure that you used to apply > > with your index finger and thumb is now coming from the hand (upper palm) > > itself, infact from the fleshy part. So is much easier on the wrist, and > > hand. Great for patterns, can take them curves with ease. Took a little to > > get used to, only now I rarely use the normal barrel type. > > > > For another friend on the lists,,, > > > > Oh, forgot, ;-), it's one of them newfangled tools, ain't been out for very > > long, so might not be approved. ;-) > > > > Glad to see you posting, my glass friend, ;-), and it do not take two to > > agree to be friends, only one, who is willing to be friends ;-),,, > > > > Sincerely, > > Bud Britt > > > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > > > Intrastar Glass List Website > > http://glass.intrastar.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: PJ Jellison > > To: Stained Glass > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 06:30 AM > > Subject: Any recommendations on new cutter? > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Anybody have a recommendation on cutters? I've been using one > > > of the "old-fashioned disposable" metal ones (my retailer's > > > description), > > > and I like it, but he is suggesting I might have an easier time with one > > > that delivers oil as you cut, either the pistol-grip or straight > > > kind; he likes both. Is there a difference in ease of handling between > > > the two? My wrist is kind of weak (the result of an encounter with > > > a wildcat many years ago). Do you folks tend to use one type, or do > > > you have a "library" of cutters that you use for different types of glass? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > PJ Jellison > > > (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 00:44:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.213336.0> References: <<1999Jul19.91545.0>> Precedence: bulk > > At least those kids are doing something about all those ugly bare >>concrete walls. Will you feel the same when it is *your* property they decide needs to become their art? What if they decide the side of your car is just too plain, your house? Your kids' bike? T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 01:43:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:24:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.102439.0> Precedence: bulk >actually in the "if you cant beat em join em" category...there is a lot >of "street art" in places like NY, Boston, LA that is based on the >graffiti and turned into huge murals. Some of it looks pretty nice:) Its The authorities here in UK have done something similar in that they actively encourage graphity style murals on large building walls in certain areas where it has been a problem before.Some of them are 30 ft by 20 ft in size and are excellent works of art.It is combined with an effort to stop idiot grafity which is more life threatening to the kids that do it.This is where they climb into difficult places like bridges on motorways(freeways) or railway tracks over racing traffic or electric trains. In some cases close to high volatage power lines over rail tracks to complete a dare. Brandon Uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 03:14:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 03:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Mike Savad , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul16.2854.0> Precedence: bulk > > It is to the advantage of the seller to charge by > the pound as you get to > > pay for the rolled edge, too. Just make sure their thumb isn't on the scale...sort a' like payin for the bone in a cut of meat.. Rick === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 04:44:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:38:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: stainedglasslamps@csinet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Those fabulous 3-D lamps, was Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:37:21 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul16.113721.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/15/99 6:23:58 PM, stainedglasslamps@csinet.net writes: >I now have come out with an instructional book for sale but I don't know >how to get ahold of these great folks, can you help me out? > >Will wait to hear from you. Thank You! > >Arkie Pisello Sr. If you've got the book advertised on your web site with a mailing address and ordering instructions, a notice pointing there (like the one you just posted to the list) will do just fine. You might also want to check with the Intrastar glass list owners and make sure it's OK to post a notice there too. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a copy of your book, and plan to do so as soon as possible. My enquiring mind wants to know how in the heck you do that! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 05:14:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:45:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: mfig@netcom.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New" Glass I Found ng.......actually vg (virtual glass) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:42:21 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul16.114221.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/16/99 1:52:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mfig@netcom.ca writes: > Hey, I've got a great idea- why not actually leave your computer and go > visit some stained glass stores and see if you can find some Fremont and > look at it in person... > Ha ha ha.......this makes the assumption there is something beyond these four walls. Weren't you aware some of us may only be working in "virtual glass"?? You have just opened up a whole new world for me, I may need to take the phrase "cyber glass artist" off my resume!!! IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 05:26:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: How scary *is* Elisabeth, really? was Re: bungi fashion Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:51:37 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul16.115137.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/15/99 8:14:50 PM, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: >Hey! .... >Are you SURE about that??!! >That's not quite the image I'd like to get across. >You know....!..... >The Viking with horns on! >Devouring little beaurocratic little chaps for breakfast; >prancing about in my garden at midnight with solder blobs on my tummy >button. >You are SPOILING my image!!! Well......... of course, I haven't seen you nekkid - that might be whole 'nother kettle of Lutefisk! =8-O And I repeat (lest you lose your Valkyrie license): Elisabeth under full steam is *not* someone I'd want to be on the bad side of! There, is that better? Sparks who, truth be told, has also been known occasionally to sprout horns and sling death rays at petty bureaucrats who hacked me off....... doesn't happen often, and I have to be pretty damn PO'ed, but........... ! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 06:15:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: NG bug repellant and air-conditioners, was Re: bungi fashion Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:44:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.44434.0> Precedence: bulk Petal????!!!! I think Sparks left out a few things. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:21 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NG bug repellant and air-conditioners, was Re: bungi fashion Hey Petal, I am glad you wern't attacked by the flying critters. What you didn't see along Old Father Thames as we were having our lunch was the back end of a rat - as large as a Jack Russell terrier, disappearing down towards the Riverbank. . It was the biggest rat I have seen since I spent some time along the river Seine in Paris some 25 years ago. Phew. Glad you made it back safe and sound..... Looking forward to NO car parking hassle meeting with you in a few weeks time..... If I had had to strangle that guy with my bare hands..... I think you know I would have done it.... If not, I think I would have caused a hell of a lot of damage to the London City Car Park Authority Car Parks Property......... ;-> ( I had wicked schemes on that telephone piece that guy handed to me......) .....and ENJOYED every second of it.....!!! Glad you enjoyed it!! See ya!! Elisabeth 'n unfortunately absent Toby (who would have relished a West Indian steak.....) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 06:32:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 05:47:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.224753.0> References: <<1999Jul14.145254.0>> Precedence: bulk Mosfunland@aol.com wrote: > Several years ago (many years ago), we brought a nephew out to stay with us > in beautiful, streetwise Philadelphia. He was brought up on a many acre > spread in Alaska, and then lived in Washington State, near the Canadian > border. So out he comes to us, and we pick him up at the airport.....biggest > thrill for him, was seeing REAL grafitti. He had never seen any. All the > way home he was wowing and raving.....I had all I could do to keep my > significant other from turning the car around and driving him back to the > airport. We had quite a discussion about graffitti, to say the > least.....with side topics of urban blight, crime, watching your back ("put > that nice watch away until we send you home"). Don't tell me ... let me guess. "urban" graffitti in the USA is "good" because all those poor stifled souls get to "express themselves". Right? These poor stifled souls have NO OTHER way to "express themselves" because "society is against them". Something along those lines? "Non-urban" graffitti, or "rural" graffitti, in the USA, such as writing your g/f's name on the local water tower, or putting your gang's name all over the local HS, stadium, overpasses, etc is "bad" because all those dumb ignorant hicks don't know any better. Right? I lived in several places in Europe. Graffitti is EVERYWHERE now in Europe. Do you think graffitti on the Louvre is cool too? How about graffitti on the walls surrounding the Musee Rodin? Is that cool too? [I could make a very long list here of beautiful buildings routinely covered with graffitti.] Graffitti, no matter what its purpose, is just defacement by ignorant knuckleheads too stupid, or too little motivated, or both, to figure out how to do something worthwhile. And don't give me that "they're too poor" bit .... spray paint DOES cost money ... and if they stole it (which is also NOT COOL) ... then why couldn't they use it for some other artistic purpose? No. Graffitti is not cool. And no amount of bullshit is going to make it so. Later ........... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 06:43:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 05:52:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: telebot.com!debbiesgarden From: DebbieT To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:43:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.44339.0> Precedence: bulk The cutter I believe Bud is talking about is called the 'Thomas Grip' cutter by Toyo. I've used it for 6 years. I have severe Carpal Tunnel syndrome and since I started using it, I have felt NO pain. Debbie T > > I found a little ditty at the glass store that is wonderful for my wrist, > it > > is a short self-oiling barrel, (forgot the name, Jacobson or something > > cutter, it is a Toyo cutter, I think)with a saddle that fits in the area > > between your index finger and thumb, the pressure that you used to apply > > with your index finger and thumb is now coming from the hand (upper palm) > > itself, infact from the fleshy part. So is much easier on the wrist, and > > hand. Great for patterns, can take them curves with ease ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 06:44:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:40:58 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul16.124058.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/15/99 11:38:42 PM, glshorse@ior.com writes: >actually in the "if you cant beat em join em" category...there is a lot >of "street art" in places like NY, Boston, LA that is based on the >graffiti and turned into huge murals. Some of it looks pretty nice:) [...] I like graffiti, if it's well done and not graphically violent or explicitly sexual (and unfortunately, the two go together far too often, UGH!). I've often thought that instead of spending millions of dollars to clean it off the subway cars in NYC, the city should assign a car to every graffiti'er and allow them to give it their best shot. Some of those guys (and grrls) can turn their own names into works of art! Graffiti (like any other "folk art") can be an expression of life in the face of a crappy world, of trying to bring some color and vitality into the dead concrete-box city - that's when it becomes beautiful, and unfortunately it all gets lumped together into this morass of "vandalism" in the mind of the general public. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 06:57:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: "Pat Jellison" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:24:39 -0400 Message-ID: <9907161315.AA11419@ceps.nasm.edu> Precedence: bulk Ahh! Wow! I think you just answered something this newbie has been wrestling with. I have a small window in my front door (is THAT what a doorlight is?!!) that I've been longing to fill with stained glass but didn't know how to remove the plain glass and install the SG without destroying the door. So, it would be OK to place the SG panel to the inside of the plain glass and refit the molding? It's just a little diamond-shaped thing, about 7"x9". Also -- way to go K See!!! Cheers, PJ Jellison ---------- >From: "Christie A. Wood" >frame hiding some of the glass. But you can unscrew the frame, >take the inside frame with you for your template, make the stained >glass panel to fit inside the frame (8x36), take it back to the house, >and simply place the stained glass panel up against the existing >insullated glass, screw the frame back together, and voila - you've >installed it! No guesswork. No measuring and remeasuring. No >problems trying to figure out a way to install the thing. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 07:08:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:35:35 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul16.133535.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/16/99 1:52:23 AM, mfig@netcom.ca writes: >Hey, I've got a great idea- why not actually leave your computer and go >visit some stained glass stores and see if you can find some Fremont and >look at it in person... Tetchy, tetchy...... :-) A bit of a refresher on the context here: "Some" stained glass stores....... Hmmmmm............ Most of us don't have more than one half-decent stained glass retailer within a couple of hours' drive (Hobby Lobby doesn't count, from what I've heard), and many of us don't even have *one* and have to depend on mail-order and the advice of our bungi budz to track down anything more out-of-the-ordinary than Spectrum and Armstrong. So play nice, or go to your room until you're ready to play nice....... or we'll tell momma Glenna on you and she'll take away your bungi license....... Now, lemme see....... Charles, can I borrow that asbestos suit? Elisabeth, how 'bout loaning me that neat-o helmet with the horns - oh, and the thunder-hammer too..... Hey Toby! Wanna go geek-hunting? Sparks heading for the bomb shelter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 07:16:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:38:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: "Pat Jellison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:34:33 -0400 Message-ID: <9907161325.AA11482@ceps.nasm.edu> Precedence: bulk Hiya All, I want to thank you all for your many suggestions on new cutters. I'm convinced -- and being the bold, indecisive type, I'm going to buy the Thomas Grip one now and ask for a pistol grip one for the next birthday so I can have both. You are all SO COOL! I also apologize for not thanking you all sooner. It's been a traumatic week; our Director where I work (a museum) was killed in an ultralight airplane crash and we've all just been in a daze and trying to cope with the loss, with the public, etc. But I really appreciate how many of you answered my question! Reading Bungi has provided the lighter side of an otherwise unremittingly awful week. Cheers, PJ Jellison ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 07:55:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:22:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Petal, was NG bug repellant and air-conditioners....... Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:21:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul16.142120.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/16/99 9:16:06 AM, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: >Petal????!!!! > >I think Sparks left out a few things. Wouldn't you like to know????????? We'll tell you the whole story as soon as we get done making it up. Dorothy, can we borrow Emeraldine & Pierre & friends for an hour or two? Might as well get the whole gang in on the orgy...... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 08:21:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:07:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.6715.0> Precedence: bulk A college I went to took that approach to walls around a construction site. They had over 1000 feet of plywood fence eight feet high. It was impossible to stop, or even keep up with, the graffiti. They ended up having a contest. They whitewashed the whole thing and assigned sections 8' x 8' and up, to each entry. The construction company awarded $500 dollars in prize money to the top 3 winners. They also saved a lot of time and money, solved the graffiti problem and made friends with the students. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctonsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 8:41 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti I've often thought that instead of spending millions of dollars to clean it off the subway cars in NYC, the city should assign a car to every graffiti'er and allow them to give it their best shot. Some of those guys (and grrls) can turn their own names into works of art! Sparks ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 08:31:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: rrk , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:35:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.43546.0> References: <<1999Jul15.224753.0>> Precedence: bulk > No. Graffitti is not cool. And no amount of bullshit is going to make it so. > > Later ........... Bob > Very well said! David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 09:59:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:48:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.44821.0> References: <<1999Jul16.133535.0>> Precedence: bulk > Tetchy, tetchy...... :-) > YEAAAAAAA. Sparks is back!!!! :o) T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 10:23:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:21:55 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul16.162155.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/16/99 9:33:14 AM, ezcomezgo@earthlink.net writes: >Don't tell me ... let me guess. > >"urban" graffitti in the USA is "good" because all those poor stifled souls get >to "express themselves". Right? These poor stifled souls have NO OTHER way to >"express themselves" because "society is against them". Something along >those lines? [...] Hardly (she said, recognizing the atypically Pollyanna-ish tone of my earlier remarks and being pretty durned surprised - must have been too early in the morning for me to think straight :-\ ). Everything has its place. I forget who it was that said something to the effect that a sausage on your dinner plate is a good thing, but the same sausage stuck to the nose of your dining companion is definitely not! To take a real-life example, a Basquiat piece *inside* the MOMA is "good," while Basquiat (before he was famous) taking the spray paint to the outside of the MOMA would not be (and to further complicate matters, what if, after he became a celebrity, he'd been specifically commissioned to do so, perhaps as "performance art"...... with NEA funding, maybe? ) Something else I may get a lot of flak for, but I'm going to bring it up anyway because it does factor into the rise of the graffiti phenomenon itself..... the gleaming nothing-but-neutral-colors-and-clear-glass-and-carefully-manicured-lawns mentality (which results in the requirement of condo association approval before you can go ahead with that sidelight commission) is almost entirely a white European mindset. In many non-European cultures, painting the outside of your house or the village wall in bold patterns and/or bright colors is a means of artistic expression *and* a mark of status, and at least part of the graffiti thing is an attempt to reclaim some of that cultural heritage. (In fact, the "bright-colored house thang" is causing a lot of ruckus in parts of southern California where Central American folks are moving in and painting their houses bright orange, passionate purple, electric blue, shocking pink, etc. and the "Anglos" who already live there are screaming bloody murder and trying to pass laws against it.) But once again: There's a place for everything. It's not the self-expression itself that's the problem, it's *where* and *how* that self-expression takes shape. On your own house, OK. On someone else's house, or on the new stadium, or on the Louvre, or on Stonehenge, not OK. On that ugly blank wall next to the new playground, OK if the neighborhood council says OK, and let's all pitch in and help. Pride in your heritage or your neighborhood or your local heroes, OK. Hatemongering against other people or groups, definitely not. Explicit sex, violence, or combinations of the two (which is what you get far too often), not OK (if you *really* want a picture of a Caligula-style orgy, don't paint it on the wall, get it tattooed on your butt where no one will get upset about it unless you decide to moon them). And so on and so on, and scooby dooby dooby. (Of course, everything I've said here is a value judgment based on a certain mix of life and cultural experiences - namely, that as a kid from the wrong side of the tracks, I can understand some of the motivations of street culture, but as someone whose family moved away from that culture while I was fairly young, I've also got enough middle-class in me that "the part of me that's generally in control" doesn't condone the acting out of those motivations.) A distinction also begs to be made between the entirely legitimate folk-art *form* of graffiti and the crude (in both the "technical merit" and "expressive intent" senses of the word) "pissing-on-the-wall" stuff that crops up everywhere. And here we get onto shaky ground again - who defines what is - or isn't - art, and what is - or isn't - "art that's acceptable to be seen in a public space"? So the real truth (as with every real-life issue) lies somewhere between "graffiti is vandalism" and "graffiti is the only thing that saves da 'hood from looking like a prison block." The tough question is, how can all the talent of the rest of the potential Basquiats be recognized and channeled in more positive directions? Sparks tucking the soap box under my arm and toddling off in search of lunch ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 10:33:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:24:23 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul16.162423.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/16/99 11:22:50 AM, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: >They whitewashed the whole thing and >assigned sections 8' x 8' and up, to each entry. The construction company >awarded $500 dollars in prize money to the top 3 winners. They also saved >a lot of time and money, solved the graffiti problem and made friends with >the students. Now *that's* the way to do it!!!!!!!! I've seen things like that done in other places too, but I don't know if it was anything as formal as a contest. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 10:49:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.64410.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECF80.84F0F520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Vic, Thank you for your order. I don't know how to get a hold of the IGGA ? = Can you put it on for us, or tell us how to do it? The book is 29.95 = plus3.00 shipping & handling. I know YOU can do it too. If you have = any questions, or problems, when you get your book, feel free to e-mail = us. Good Luck!! =20 Thanks again Vic, Arkie Pisello Sr. 2425 Monroe Street LaPorte, Indiana 46350 ******************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECF80.84F0F520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECF80.84F0F520-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 11:11:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: windows Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:45:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul15.184552.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All. I just made 2 windows and have 2 left to do for the front of my house. This is a little late in asking, but here it goes. I chose lead, because it is able to withstand weather conditions better than foil. They are to be built into casement windows that my hubby is making. I think they will be stronger. (Being lead, that is.) Am I right? He is building working shutters to open outwards, the windows will open inwards. The second reason is that I despise foiling. It must be the most boring thing I've ever done. In the last 6 months, 80% of my projects have switched to lead. I had old cement that was very dry and would not mix. I added turpentine, since I had some, but no linseed oil, and it thinned quite well. Still fairly stiff, but in some cases, oozed to the other side. Is this ok to do? I have 2 windows left to do and new cement should be availabe Monday. I've called every place in my county asking for whiting, so I could mix my own, to no avail. I even told them it is used in whitewash, to give them a reference point. ( That's what my dictionary says.) Are my first 2 windows going to fall apart in a couple of years? Inland cement is what I thinned with Turpentine. Also is my pattern sound? My husband designed it. I add squares in the center, ( they're actually diamonds, couldn't figure out how to draw them) in the center, to give support. Here is what it looks like, but three times repeated vertically. It is approximately 12x34. Encased in oak, do you think it will take WV thunderstorms? The weather usually comes from that side of the house. Each panel is one half of the window. If I need to start over, I'd like to do it before I build all 4 of them. Please advise. Thanks, Kathy ______ | \ /| | \ / | | \_ / | | /_ \ | | / \ | |/_____\ | Well, something like that anyway. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 11:31:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:18:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.31811.0> References: <<1999Jul15.213336.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > Will you feel the same when it is *your* property they decide needs to > become their art? What if they decide the side of your car is just too > plain, your house? Your kids' bike? I think he was referring to public property, not someones home. Lets not be black and white in our thinking here Suzanne. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 11:43:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: "B. S. Jones" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:19:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.31955.0> References: <<1999Jul16.102439.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > The authorities here in UK have done something similar in that they actively > encourage graphity style murals on large building walls in certain areas > where it > has been a problem before.Some of them are 30 ft by 20 ft in size and are > excellent > works of art.It is combined with an effort to stop idiot grafity which is > more life threatening to the kids that do it.This is where they climb into > difficult places like bridges on motorways(freeways) or railway tracks over > racing traffic or electric trains. > In some cases close to high volatage power lines over rail tracks to > complete a dare. this is a very good idea. Much preferrable I think to getteing all huffy and judgemental which I think just feeds the "I'm gonna do something big and bad" idea that fuels kids wanting to do stuff like this...if its provided a place and semiaccepted in that place it loses some of its appeal. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 11:56:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:28:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.3284.0> References: <<1999Jul16.124058.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > I like graffiti, if it's well done and not graphically violent or explicitly > sexual (and unfortunately, the two go together far too often, UGH!). I've > often thought that instead of spending millions of dollars to clean it off > the subway cars in NYC, the city should assign a car to every graffiti'er and > allow them to give it their best shot. Some of those guys (and grrls) can > turn their own names into works of art! > > Graffiti (like any other "folk art") can be an expression of life in the face > of a crappy world, of trying to bring some color and vitality into the dead > concrete-box city - that's when it becomes beautiful, and unfortunately it > all gets lumped together into this morass of "vandalism" in the mind of the > general public. > > I agree totally Sparks...I think a lot of these people are angry and just getting angry back by telling them how "bad" they are for not painting Mona Lisas instead of street art makes them angrier....I think giving them a place to express themselves defuses a lot of it.....one mans trash is anothers art. I get the same crap about my tattoos...a few strangers and a lot of relatives have felt it perfectly appropriate to say to me "why would you deface the body God gave you like that?" I feel very sorry for people who feel they have to remain on a moral high horse just to keep their illusion of a nice orderly society going. If they are REALLY going to get huffy about something why dont they worry about abused children, neglected children, poisoning our air and water and things that really matter instead of a little scribbling on a wall? Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 12:09:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.7583.0> References: <<3794AF53.7C89@ior.com>> Precedence: bulk I understand what you are saying Elizabeth. I just think the mentality of many is that if it isnt theirs, it doesnt matter. Public property is still paid for by other people. It still breaks the rules that help us be a civilized society. (remember ex probation officer here with a basic respect for rules) Defacing public property...hmmmmmm...if it is ok to deface a *public* wall, is it ok to dig up a tree in a National forest? Or carve your initials in it, because someone might find it attractive? It cant be ok in one place and not in another. Suzanne Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > > > Will you feel the same when it is *your* property they decide needs to > > become their art? What if they decide the side of your car is just too > > plain, your house? Your kids' bike? > > I think he was referring to public property, not someones home. Lets not > be black and white in our thinking here Suzanne. -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 12:16:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:35:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.33559.0> References: <<1999Jul16.162155.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > the gleaming > nothing-but-neutral-colors-and-clear-glass-and-carefully-manicured-lawns > mentality (which results in the requirement of condo association approval > before you can go ahead with that sidelight commission) is almost entirely a > white European mindset. In many non-European cultures, painting the outside > of your house or the village wall in bold patterns and/or bright colors is a > means of artistic expression *and* a mark of status, and at least part of the > graffiti thing is an attempt to reclaim some of that cultural heritage. > this is exactly why we moved out of our nice little neighborhood and onto five acres. A number of folks with too much time on their hands and not enough to fill it decided in our old neighborhood that, among other things, you cant have a front screen door; no above ground pools; specs on the exact percent of your lawn that must be groundcover landscape; you cannot repaint your deck even the exact same color without full committee approval and on and on ad infinitum. It got very very old very very fast. Can only imagine if someone had a touch of creativity.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 12:24:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:32:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.8327.0> References: <<1999Jul16.162155.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > white European mindset. Gawd!!! When will those damned white European types quit acting out their heritage? They must all be made to paint their houses purple!!! We've just got to make them conform! David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 12:36:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:38:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.103829.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Pat Jellison" >Ahh! Wow! I think you just answered something this newbie has been wrestling with. I have a small window in my front door (is THAT what a doorlight is?!!) that I've = been longing to fill with stained glass but didn't know how to remove the plain glass and install the SG without destroying the door. So, it would be OK to place the SG = panel to the inside of the plain glass and refit the molding?< Guess that's the difference between a doorlight and a sidelight.... whether it's in the door, or on the side of the door. To answer your question....yep, it's OK to place the SG on the inside of the plain glass & refit the molding. Lots more stable too. Looks grand. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 12:48:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: whiting Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:59:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.65925.0> Precedence: bulk kathy said: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:15:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.121544.0> Precedence: bulk I will never conform!!!!!! The house will be striped and that's the end of it. Vic M. I actually saw a striped house in the Kansas City area. >From what I heard the neighbors were less than thrilled. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Clark [mailto:dwood@sky.net] Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:32 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > white European mindset. Gawd!!! When will those damned white European types quit acting out their heritage? They must all be made to paint their houses purple!!! We've just got to make them conform! David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 16:01:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Bungi Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: About photographing stained glass pieces Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:27:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.82738.0> Precedence: bulk >From my websurfing, photographing the piece itself is obviously the greatest pitfall of displaying sg works on the web. Its a shame too as many (if not most) of the works I see on the web must be quite good but the photography is so poor that its hard to tell ... not to mention that the essence of the piece wasn't often captured. Conversely, I=92ve seen some stuff on the web that looked good, but I=92m not so sure it was actually that good, just photographed well. So this is clearly an area in which many people (including myself ) need assistance, particularly in the form of guidelines. I know there are good cameras available, some will do everything but give you oral sex. However, I think that no matter how good the camera, there is no substitute for exact how-to knowledge. Perhaps we could hammer out a set of general working guidelines, and add specifics as we go along. Everyone could chime in here with their own personal experiences, good or bad, even if you don=92t know everything you can add what you do know, what you tried, what worked, what didn=92t work =85 and so on. I'll start. Note : I'm NOT a photographer but am reasoning from first principles (read that to mean : I'm just guessing ) and therefore I'm completely open to suggestions. So, reasoning from first principles it seems to me that : 1 ... Large format is better than small format. A 35 mm format is not as good as a 8x11 format. The bigger the film, the better the photo; the bigger the photo, the better it will scan in; the better it scans in, the better the final image presented on the web.. 2 ... The camera must be mounted on a tripod. 3 ... The center of the piece should be at approximately the same level as the camera lens. (flat panels only, spherical or semi-spherical lamps are another story) 4 ... Photos should be taken at night only, in order to control the light. 5 ... Quartz or halogen lights should be used for backlighting as they approximate natural sunlight better than other artificial lighting types (ca va dire tungsten filaments). 6 =85 Umbrella style reflectors should be used. 7 ... Backlighting is a must. Depending on the piece, the lights/reflectors should be off to the side and not heading directly in the direction of the camera. 8 ... The piece should be surrounded by black material (sheets or paper). 9 ... The piece should completely fill up the camera view, or as close as possible. Regards to all =85=85=85=85 Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 16:24:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kathy Subject: Re: windows Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:30:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.03051.0> References: <<1999Jul15.184552.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Kathy, lots of questions here. In message <1999Jul15.184552.0@?>, Kathy writes >Hi All. > >I just made 2 windows a .cut.... > >I chose lead, ..cut..... Welcome to the joys of lead light work. I agree that foiling is just the most boring thing ever! > >I had old cement that was very dry and would not mix. I added >turpentine, since I had some, but no linseed oil, and it thinned quite >well. Still fairly stiff, but in some cases, oozed to the other side. Is >this >ok to do? As Bob D has explained some time ago, it is the linseed oil which acts as a polymer in the cement, so forming the weather tight seal. I don't think you have done anything very bad. But in future I would have a supply of boiled linseed oil in stock to deal with the hardening cement. You can also use normal linseed oil putty and add black poster paint or black acrylic paint to blacken it and a little turpentine to thin it, rather than trying to re-constitute hardened cement. > ..cut..... >Also is my pattern sound? Probably. How large are the pieces? Very large pieces will have more stress placed on them. Are there lines which run completely from one side to the other, or completely from top to bottom? If so, it will be a weaker panel than if there are no complete runs from side to side or top to bottom or diagonally. If you are really worried about thunderstorms, fit it with a single pane of 3/8 inch glass outside the leaded glass. >My husband designed it. I add squares in the >center, ( they're actually diamonds, couldn't figure out how to draw >them) in the center, to give support. Here is what it looks like, but >three times repeated vertically. It is approximately 12x34. Encased in >oak, do you think it will take WV thunderstorms? The weather usually >comes from that side of the house. Each panel is one half of the window. > >If I need to start over, I'd like to do it before I build all 4 of them. >Please advise. > >Thanks, Kathy >______ >| \ /| >| \ / | >| \_ / | >| /_ \ | >| / \ | >|/_____\ | > >Well, something like that anyway. > Best wishes, Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 16:33:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: windows Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:12:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.151223.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk >Also is my pattern sound? Probably. How large are the pieces? Very large pieces will have more stress placed on them. Are there lines which run completely from one side to the other, or completely from top to bottom? If so, it will be a weaker panel than if there are no complete runs from side to side or top to bottom or diagonally. If you are really worried about thunderstorms, fit it with a single pane of 3/8 inch glass outside the leaded glass. Steve, The pieces in the window are rather large. The largest being 5.5 x 5.5 inches. The longest strips are 2.5 x 5.5 inches. Which is kind of worrying. But nothing runs straight up or down, or sideways, from end to end. It is all done diagonally. Fortunately, the large pieces are clear window glass, so if something does fracture, I'll be able to replace it. I've also purchased an extra couple sheets of the stained glass to keep, for just in case. Thanks for answering me. I feel quite a bit more secure that this will be ok. And you are right. Leaded glass is a joy to work with. Also, thanks to Shari for the tip on finding whiting. I'll give it a try. Back to the next 2 windows!! Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 17:35:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Glass list" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: fremont glasss Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.155344.0> Precedence: bulk Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Figgy To: Howard ; Shirley Balloch Sent: July 15, 1999 8:54 PM Subject: Re: fremont glasss > Sorry but you're wrong on all three points! > Firstly, Fremont has several colours that are flashed opal making them very > suitable for such projects as lamps. > Secondly, their glass is sold by the square foot, as you can see by their > factory tags which indicate the size. > Thirdly, the rolled edge remains on one side usually, with the factory's > measurement on their label being generous so in fact you don't pay for the > rolled edge... > > Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 > (Tel:416-252-6868) > Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass > supplier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Howard > To: Shirley Balloch > Sent: July 15, 1999 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: fremont glasss > > > > Because Freemont is primarily clear it is not a glass I can/would use for > > lamps. > > I do not remember if it by the pound or square foot. > > It is to the advantage of the seller to charge by the pound as you get to > > pay for the rolled edge, too. > > enjoy, H > > weaver51@teleport.com > > Elaine and Howard > > best lamps on the "net": > > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 17:55:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:54:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Rick" , "Mike Savad" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:56:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.155611.0> References: <<1999Jul16.2854.0>> Precedence: bulk I resent that comment- implying that your retailer would be so dishonest as to do such a thing... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: Mike Savad ; Sent: July 16, 1999 6:08 AM Subject: Re: fremont glasss > > > > It is to the advantage of the seller to charge by > > the pound as you get to > > > pay for the rolled edge, too. > > Just make sure their thumb isn't on the scale...sort > a' like payin for the bone in a cut of meat.. > > Rick > > > > > > > === > http://home.fuse.net/crafts > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 18:04:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:16:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.16160.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks: >A bit of a refresher on the context here: > >"Some" stained glass stores....... Hmmmmm............ > (cut) > >Now, lemme see....... Charles, can I borrow that asbestos suit? It's now in full-time use, didn't you see my singed hair from the UK? Glad you are back Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 18:12:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.101729.0> References: <<1999Jul16.7583.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > Defacing public property...hmmmmmm...if it is ok to deface a *public* > wall, is it ok to dig up a tree in a National forest? Or carve your > initials in it, because someone might find it attractive? > It cant be ok in one place and not in another. > I think you are being nitpicky here Suzanne...and just being an exprobation officer doesnt mean you have all the answers. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 18:36:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:33:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.103310.0> References: <<1999Jul16.121544.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Modiano, Victor wrote: > > I will never conform!!!!!! > > The house will be striped and that's the end of it. > > Vic M. > > I actually saw a striped house in the Kansas City area. > >From what I heard the neighbors were less than thrilled. > > I love it...people who think it is their personal mission in life to bully and harrass people who dont fit into their cozy world view not only drive me crazy but they just bring out the WORST in me...hee hee.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 19:01:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Mike Figgy , Mike Savad , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: fremont glasss Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul16.17125.0> Precedence: bulk Het Mike...chill dude...it's an old butcher shop trick, and believe it or not, they actually used to do that. Rick, the old Italian butcher's grandson son --- Mike Figgy wrote: > I resent that comment- implying that your retailer > would be so dishonest as > to do such a thing... > Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, > Canada, M8Y 1L2 > (Tel:416-252-6868) > Canada's first and yes, still its only officially > sanctioned stained glass > supplier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: Mike Savad ; > Sent: July 16, 1999 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: fremont glasss > > > > > > > > It is to the advantage of the seller to charge > by > > > the pound as you get to > > > > pay for the rolled edge, too. > > > > Just make sure their thumb isn't on the > scale...sort > > a' like payin for the bone in a cut of meat.. > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === > > http://home.fuse.net/crafts > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 19:03:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Mike Figgy" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: fremont glasss Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:20:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.172041.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Mike Figgy" >Firstly, Fremont has several colours that are flashed opal making them very > suitable for such projects as lamps.< Perhaps true for some kinds of lamps, but = I wouldn't be inclined to use Fremont for = a Tiffany-style lamp either.... after all, we're trying to be "painterly" here. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 19:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Shari Higbee" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: whiting Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:13:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.171351.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari Higbee" > I stumbled upon whiting the other day in my locally owned hardware store = in the paint section. It was marked as something to be used in "cleanup". I think it was with the turpentine and stuff...< If you have a ceramics store near you, they often carry it.... that's where we buy ours in 50-100 pound bags. = Your stained glass retailer should be able to get 5# cartons of it, but it'll cost you. Also, I've heard that groomers use it... lastly, you might be able to get it through a ranch/farm supplier... they also use it for grooming sheep and such. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 20:50:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:40:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990716234039.006e7778@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1999Jul16.121544.0>> Precedence: bulk Agreed, as you continue to demonstate. At 05:33 PM 7/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >Modiano, Victor wrote: >> >> I will never conform!!!!!! >> >> The house will be striped and that's the end of it. >> >> Vic M. >> >> I actually saw a striped house in the Kansas City area. >> >From what I heard the neighbors were less than thrilled. >> >> > > >I love it...people who think it is their personal mission in life to >bully and harrass people who dont fit into their cozy world view not >only drive me crazy but they just bring out the WORST in me...hee >hee.... > >Liz >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 21:20:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:55:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.175545.0> References: <<37951199.6A7A@ior.com>> Precedence: bulk > I think you are being nitpicky here Suzanne...and just being an > exprobation officer doesnt mean you have all the answers. > > Liz > I never claimed to have *any* answers. It sounds to me as if you think I am bragging by saying I'm an exprobation officer. Actually, It embarrasses me as much as anything. It doesnt go with my personality. I dont fit in with most other probation officers. I was only expressing that I have a respect in general for rules. You didnt read the complete thought. I would think it would have been somewhat self explanatory...when you are sworn to uphold the law...you'd think there must be at least a little respect for it. I happen to believe that defacing public property is wrong. Whether it was against the law or not, it is against what I believe. It belongs to someone else...leave it alone. It isnt being nitpicky. It is the law. It's written in black and white. Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 22:10:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:18:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass samples Date: Fri, 16 Jul 99 10:09:49 Message-ID: <199907170416.WAA05298@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk I have some from the manufacturer's and also my own 'in stock'.. helps me with the color arranging in windows and helps the customer (and me) narrow down which colors they *really* want, and helps students.. they pick out the sample and I go to my racks (which are packed tight, since I have a small studio) Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 22:51:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: whiting Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.145120.0> References: <<1999Jul16.65925.0>> Precedence: bulk When I'm short on whiting I use clean sawdust from hubby's woodshop. Works pretty good. When I'm using gray putty, I also mix in shavings from the pencil sharpener with the sawdust...adds to the gray color of the putty and for some reason, darkens the solder joints a little bit...it gives them an aged look so they're more like the lead came instead of being shiny silver. I've made two large leaded windows using this method and they look very nice. Best regards, Cheryl Shari Higbee wrote: > kathy said: > > I stumbled upon whiting the other day in my locally owned hardware store in > the paint section. It was marked as something to be used in "cleanup". I > think it was with the turpentine and stuff... > > Shari > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 23:11:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.15429.0> References: <<004801becf41$233d5b00$9ce2fdd1@default>> Precedence: bulk Hi Bob, I probably should have written that recipe a little better.. 3-in-1 (or "household oil"...used for sewing machines, etc.) "Cutting Oil" (a very lightweight oil from Glastar) Cutting oil is too lightweight when used alone and it leaks through the cutter's oil seals as if they weren't there. Household Oil alone is too thick and it clogs the wick in the cutting head. I tried 50-50 mix of Household & Cutting Oil is still a bit too thin, and leaks. So I finally settled on around a 60% Household oil to 40% Cutting Oil as the best mixture to keep the oil flowing judiciously to the cutting wheel without clogging or running. I've been using this mixture in my cutters since I bought them 4 years ago and they still work very well. Best regards, Cheryl Bob Duchesneau wrote: > >>Both have > oil reservoirs, and with a 60-40 mix of 3-in-1 to cutting oil they don't > leak.<< > > Is that 60% of 3 and 40% of 1? > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Check it out: http://glass.intrastar.net/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 23:28:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:16:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Rare Glass1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:08:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.15835.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, While were on the subject of rare glass (i.e. Fremont Glass), does anyone still have any "Merry-Go-Round" around? I have a small piece of softly irridized creamy beige, but that's all I have left. Regards, Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 23:34:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: thumb on the scale Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:11:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.151154.0> References: <<1999Jul16.17125.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Reminds me of an old Norman Rockwell illustration I saw a print of recently.. A lady is at the butcher store, and the butcher has put a piece of meat on the scale. Both the eyes of the butcher and the lady are focused on the scale's readout dial, so neither of the two can see what the other is doing...the butcher has his thumb on the scale bed, pushing down, and the lady has her finger under the scale bed, pushing up.... It's a cute scene... Regards, Cheryl Rick wrote: > Het Mike...chill dude...it's an old butcher shop > trick, > and believe it or not, they actually used to do that. > > Rick, the old Italian butcher's grandson son > > --- Mike Figgy wrote: > > I resent that comment- implying that your retailer > > would be so dishonest as > > to do such a thing... > > Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, > > Canada, M8Y 1L2 > > (Tel:416-252-6868) > > Canada's first and yes, still its only officially > > sanctioned stained glass > > supplier. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rick > > To: Mike Savad ; > > Sent: July 16, 1999 6:08 AM > > Subject: Re: fremont glasss > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to the advantage of the seller to charge > > by > > > > the pound as you get to > > > > > pay for the rolled edge, too. > > > > > > Just make sure their thumb isn't on the > > scale...sort > > > a' like payin for the bone in a cut of meat.. > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === > > > http://home.fuse.net/crafts > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > > glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: > > glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > > > === > http://home.fuse.net/crafts > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 16 23:49:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:31:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass in Albuquerque Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:21:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul16.152155.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All.. I'm headed to Albuquerque NM next week for a few days R&R.... While I'm there I'll be visiting the SG Store there (home of the NM Stained Glass Artists Association.) Does anyone want me to convey greetings and salutations to anyone there? I'll be happy to deliver the messages. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 00:38:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: whiting Date: Fri Jul 16 23:25:28 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.21328.0> References: <<1999Jul16.171351.0>> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk $1.00 per pound taylor'd expressions debbie taylor taylor'd Expressions "Your complete art glass supply source." kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com/ 1-888-488-9616 (toll free) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dani Greer To: Shari Higbee Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 9:13 PM Subject: whiting > Message text written by "Shari Higbee" > > > I stumbled upon whiting the other day in my locally owned hardware store = > in > the paint section. It was marked as something to be used in "cleanup". I > think it was with the turpentine and stuff...< > > If you have a ceramics store near you, they often carry > it.... that's where we buy ours in 50-100 pound bags. = > > Your stained glass retailer should be able to get 5# > cartons of it, but it'll cost you. Also, I've heard that > groomers use it... lastly, you might be able to get it > through a ranch/farm supplier... they also use it for > grooming sheep and such. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 02:08:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk!studio.stainedglass From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Arkie Pisello's book on 3-D sculptural SG Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:12:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.10124.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone on bungi bought Arkie's book and if so can you let me know what you think of it? (off bungi if you like to keep personal opinions private) We are seriously considering gettin stocks for resale - but I dont want to order a large quantity (which would be the only economical way to get them across the pond) without knowing a bit more about it than Arkie has told me. After all I cant expect the author and publisher to be quite as impartial about its value as a potential customer in our retail shop looking for a new project to tackle will be! What I need to know is : Does it give good clear instructions? Could an intermediate level stained glass crafter work from it without having a more experienced teacher on their shoulder? What is the print quality like? (we have in the past been very disappointed by selfpublished books that looked cheap!) and is the cover photo clear and inviting? Basically it comes down to - would you buy it for 29.95 dollars if you saw it in a stained glass shop book display and could browse through it before buying? Thanks in advance for any input that would help me make a sensible commercial decision. Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 03:38:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 02:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: Bungi Glass List , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Irridizing spray for Hot Glass (beads) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.13230.0> References: <<1999Jul16.82738.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi all, Sorry for the 'repeat' this is going to all 3 glass lists. I was looking in either a magazine, or a hot glass catalog, and found an irridizing spray listed, to be used on beads/sculptures. It said not 'as toxic' as most oxides. Now the problem, I can't find it again. GGGRRRRRR. Also called Arrow Springs, and Franz Bead thinking they were the logical ones. Nope, neither carry it. Can anyone help with this?? I think I'm going nuts, I surely saw it, price was about $50.00 US. Lee Boe RAin-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 05:02:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: meryder@pacbell.net Subject: Re: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:02:16 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.12216.0> References: <<1999Jul16.15429.0@?>> Precedence: bulk The oil I use in my cutters is sewing machine oil. It is relatively cheap, easily available, and of the right consistency, so no mixing is required, just open and use. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 05:16:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: rrk Subject: Re: About photographing stained glass pieces Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:33:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.133331.0> References: <<1999Jul16.82738.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Bob and list - my comments are interspersed with your draft guidelines. In message <1999Jul16.82738.0@?>, rrk writes > .......cut..... > >Perhaps we could hammer out a set of general working >guidelines, and add specifics as we go along. > >Everyone could chime in here with their own personal >experiences, good or bad, even if you don=92t know everything >you can add what you do know, what you tried, what worked, >what didn=92t work =85 and so on. > ..cut.... > >So, reasoning from first principles it seems to me that : > >1 ... Large format is better than small format. A 35 mm >format is not as good as a 8x11 format. The bigger the >film, the better the photo; the bigger the photo, the better >it will scan in; the better it scans in, the better the >final image presented on the web.. > OK. but most of us can't afford large format cameras (we are not professionals in photography). So choose 35mm rather than 125 or other small format. Use a camera where you can turn the flash off. More important is the focus. It must be very sharp. This means using the smallest aperture (largest f stop number) possible for the lighting conditions. And concentrating on the focus mechanism. Automatic focus does not always focus on the glass, especially if it is lightly coloured or clear. >2 ... The camera must be mounted on a tripod. > Yes >3 ... The center of the piece should be at approximately the >same level as the camera lens. (flat panels only, spherical >or semi-spherical lamps are another story) > yes >4 ... Photos should be taken at night only, in order to >control the light. > The amount of light that can be added at night without a photography studio set up is much less than available in the day. It is much better to arrange the item to be photographed to take advantage of the day light. Direct sunlight is not very helpful, but open shade is very good. See later for back lighting and front lighting. >5 ... Quartz or halogen lights should be used for >backlighting as they approximate natural sunlight better >than other artificial lighting types (ca va dire tungsten >filaments). The best results come from the closest imitation of the daylight spectrum of light. both Quartz and halogen have the (almost) opposite effect of tungsten lights. This applies to both back and front lighting. > >6 =85 Umbrella style reflectors should be used. > The important thing is to have the light at an oblique angle to the camera lens in front lighting. Assuming you do not have electronic flashes in these umbrella reflectors, you must look very carefully through your lens to check on any light reflections from the glass. >7 ... Backlighting is a must. Depending on the piece, the >lights/reflectors should be off to the side and not heading >directly in the direction of the camera. > Well now... Backlighting is only a must if you are photographing an article which depends for its effect on transmitted light. If you are photographing a lamp, backlighting might overwhelm the light from the lamp. This is a case where night time photography might be useful (cant think of any others when night photography is useful) When backlighting, the light should be below the panel or out of shot at the sides (and if side, it must be both sides). the light should be aimed at the backdrop so it is dispersed and general. This requires a lot of light power! The best backlighting comes from daylight. Placing a piece of tracing paper over the window, and the panel a little in front of that, provides an excellent light source. (this assumes no direct sunlight, which washes out the colour of most panels in photographs even if not in eyesight). >8 ... The piece should be surrounded by black material >(sheets or paper). Here again, I disagree. the piece should be placed on a white mounting board or other flexible material gently curving from horizontal to vertical. The curve produced by this coving, removes the line produced by the join of the horizontal and vertical surfaces. If the coving is big enough, you place the piece on the horizontal portion of it, so the photograph does not show the front of the coving. There is a certain amount of personal taste here, but if you are backlighting, black does not produce a very good reflective surface. In addition, the panels which allow a lot of light through, will appear black or very much darker than they really are. It's white everytime for me, unless I can get the sky behind the glass - that is much, much better. > >9 ... The piece should completely fill up the camera view, >or as close as possible. > Yes for studio shots. For installed pieces, several shots are useful. One to give the general situation, another to show specific location details, others to show just the piece and details. > Additional comments: 10. Effect of density of glass on photography The nature of the piece you are photographing affects the light source. If you are photographing opalescent glasses, reflecting light is more important. If it is a lamp or iridescent, or dichoric glass, both reflecting and transmitted light is important. You can't combine these, just take several photos in different lighting and angles. Photos of panels or pieces of largely cathedral glass are best done in transmitted light (or backlighting). Photos of pieces with dense glass need care. If the pieces are uniformly dense, then backlighting (with powerful lights, like the daylight) are useful. You may want to place black card or cloth around the piece to block any light from coming around the piece into the cameral lens. This works best for two dimensional pieces obviously. If the densities of the glass in the piece vary greatly, you will need to photo in several lighting conditions - back and front lighting, etc. 11. Amount of light You should invest in a simple light meter, as the one in your camera averages the light coming to the lens. You are interested in what is available at the surface of the item, not the general light available. (the variation will be reduced by filling the lens with the piece to be photographed). 12. Bracketing Even though the meter will give you the appropriate speed and aperture settings, you need to take at least one photo at the next slowest and next fastest speed each as well as the indicated settings. This allows the choice of the best result. Over exposure is generally required, but too much washes out the colours. Under exposure can on occasion be the best result. 13. Kind of film Slide film is much more sensitive to the light than print film. You will get a much larger difference with slide film using one speed up and one down from the ideal setting, than with print film. I find that print film does not really show a difference unless two speed stops either side of the "ideal" setting is used. 14. Film sensitivity to colour. Various brands of film react differently to colour. Kodak emphasises red and orange, while Agfa and Fuji emphasise blues and greens. So, I don't use Kodak at all, as its colour is far too red for true representation of colours, and if any incandescent lighting is around, everything has a red/orange cast. Of Course, all this is just my opinion/experience Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 06:29:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GLacy2381 From: GLacy2381@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com (Bungi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:14:29 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul17.131429.0> Precedence: bulk Hi. My name is Gail and I am new to this list. I started working with glass in 1977 and haven't stopped. I have expanded to include a line of jewelry boxes that sell quite nicely, some fused dichroic jewelry, and a little slumping. I also have a torch that has been retired untill I have more time. I did mostly leaded windows when I lived in L.A. I have done copper foil panels but I prefer lead and my style lends itself to lead rather than copper foil. I have done a few in which I used both lead and copper foil. I won't choose to use copper foil for panels of any size unless the detail demands it. In that warmer climate I sometimes replaced the existing glass with the leaded panel but now that I live in Vermont, that is not smart for several reasons. I usually install set of stops or spacers, usually molding of some sort, on the inside of the existing glass and then install the leaded panel against that. I then use whatever molding works to hold the new panel in place. The temperature extremes are to great here and the panel adds an extra bit of insulation. It's been working great. One question about the cracking of CF vs. Lead. I understood that a panel would crack if it was installed with too tight a fit. In LA we had to allow for earthquake tremors so the fit was important. I have done doors and sidelights out there and only one door broke... but it had been slammed with great force!! Not the fault of the panel. Glad to have found this list. Thanks Gail ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 07:29:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:24:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: Elizabeth Arakelian , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.42010.0> References: <<1999Jul20.103310.0>> Precedence: bulk > > I actually saw a striped house in the Kansas City area. > > >From what I heard the neighbors were less than thrilled. > > > > Hi All, This house, located on Ward Parkway has steel siding. Seven different colors, one each for the owner's grandchildren. The colors are/were pastel. Lot's of controversy in that neighborhood. David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 08:34:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:27:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: whiting Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:18:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.1183.0> References: <<01bed057$edd5da60$2825a8c0@charles.area37.com>> Precedence: bulk Great idea, and thanks! Charles Warner wrote: > Cheryl: > > >When I'm using gray putty, I also mix in shavings from the pencil > >sharpener with the sawdust...adds to the gray color of the putty > >and for some reason, darkens the solder joints a little bit...it gives > >them an aged look so they're more like the lead came instead of > >being shiny silver. > > Use lamp black or stove black in the putty and a natural bristle brush > in the final clean up. I always used very fine sawdust and using a > polishing action similar to polishing shoes the brush will leave a > paint-like surface on the lead came which can very dark if not black. > This will work on the solder joints and the lead came. > > Good luck > > Charles Warner > Warner-Crivellaro > http://www.warner-criv.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 09:04:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: "Charles Warner" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:38:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199907171545.PAA14409@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Charles.... it WASN'T M E.... honest....!! Count-down now in full progress... ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > From: "Charles Warner" > To: > Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:16:00 -0400 > Sparks: > > >A bit of a refresher on the context here: > > > >"Some" stained glass stores....... Hmmmmm............ > > (cut) > > > >Now, lemme see....... Charles, can I borrow that asbestos suit? > > It's now in full-time use, didn't you see my singed hair from the UK? > > Glad you are back > > Charles Warner > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 09:18:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "New" Glass I Found Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:38:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199907171545.PAA14399@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Sparks, I'll lend you my helmet and hammer ANY time!!! Toby is busy practicing on a HUGE bone from some critter that once was alive. When he howls, he's pretty scary... ...and ME.... well, .. you ain't seen nothing yet! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Sparks returned from UK wrote: > Now, lemme see....... Charles, can I borrow that asbestos suit? Elisabeth, > how 'bout loaning me that neat-o helmet with the horns - oh, and the > thunder-hammer too..... Hey Toby! Wanna go geek-hunting? > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 09:31:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG - sort of - Flying, eating critters on The E-Tour :-< Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:38:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199907171545.PAA14406@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Replies to THIS one, should probably go to me personally, rather than on BUNGI. I am sorry to have to disappoint "some" of you, but there won't be any "nekkid" shows on The E-Tour; partly because of anxiety about flying critters that enjoy eating humans. Your advice how to keep them away from me, will be gratefully received. And apart from UK preventatives and remedies I'll be bringing with me what can you suggest to me so that I may stay and return "uneaten". (The little monsters have caused me visits to hospital twice during my peripetatic life....) Elisabeth (who has just received her travel insurance for UK Sterling 10 million) 'n worried Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 09:39:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:49:05 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul17.15495.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/16/99 3:25:22 PM, dwood@sky.net writes: >Gawd!!! When will those damned white European types quit acting out >their heritage? They must all be made to paint their houses purple!!! >We've just got to make them conform! You said it, I didn't :-) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 09:49:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:49:11 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul17.154911.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/16/99 3:37:27 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: >Message text written by "Pat Jellison" >>Ahh! Wow! I think you just answered something this newbie >>has been wrestling with. I have a small window in my >>front door (is THAT what a doorlight is?!!) that I've >>been longing to fill with stained glass [...] > >To answer your question....yep, it's OK to place the SG >on the inside of the plain glass & refit the molding. Lots >more stable too. Looks grand. The first "original" SG piece I ever did (actually a rather drastic modification of something I found in a book) was a 12" round of a seagull in flight to fill the window in my parents' front door. For almost 30 years they'd been putting up with the setting sun blasting through that window straight into the eyes of whoever was sitting on the "wrong" side of the dining room table. My dad put a piece of heavy Mylar in there, which helped but it looked like hell. I got my niece to sneak in and measure the window when they weren't home, then cut and foiled all the pieces at home. On one of my trips out there I took all my tools along, verified the exact measurement while no one was looking, assembled the piece and framed it in 1/8" zinc, and installed it while they were out grocery shopping. My mom totally freaked out, she's crazy about it. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 09:55:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Door panel opinions sought Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.75321.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I've gotten a request from a client to replace a beveled glass door which he owns which is disintegrating. Let me explain. The door is a solid wood frame with a custom beveled panel (all clear) inserted in the middle. Glass dimensions are 21" wide x 66" tall. Big sucker of a bevel cluster. This is the front door of the house. They have 2 teenaged boys who slam the door. This is what is causing the bevel cluster panel to crack. This guy says that just about every week he discovers another crack in another of the pieces. Right now there are 9 pieces cracked. The panel is not reinforced in any way. In fact, I can easily make the panel bend back and forth simply by gently pushing on it in the center. This is a lead came panel, with little or (more probable) no cementing. Don't know where it came from. Doesn't match any standard bevel clusters in my distributors's books. So...I can't repair the thing. I can only replace it with another stained glass piece. But I don't want the same thing to happen to my replacement panel as is happening to this bevel cluster panel. Some ideas I've thought about...Please give me your opinions on the pros/cons of them and any other ideas you might have. Quote#1: Purchase a stock bevel cluster in a similar size/design as the original, add clear Spectrum Artique glass as background (the client likes it), use lead & cement, and add 3 steel rebars to the front of the panel to be anchored into the wooden frame, as well as matching 3 steel rebars to the back of the panel, also to be anchored into the wooden frame. This way the rebars front and back act as the brace to keep the panel from flexing during opening and slamming. Rebars to be evenly spaced running horizontally. Quote#2: Client asked for a quote on a custom design to match his custom faux painted wisteria vines and ivy vines inside the house. No problem - can do. But I would like to cover the same amount of space (21" x 66") using copper foil and use lots of inter-locking curves to give the panel more designed-in strength. Use Morton StrongLine copper-clad steel internal reinforcement strips inside most major solder lines, particularly those running horizontally as well as at least= 3 running vertically. Anchor some of the StrongLine into the wooden frame. No external rebar. Gang - any problems with either method? Which would you do? Is the another solution? Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 10:07:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Montreal? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul17.81044.0> References: <<1999Jul16.82738.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks! Any recommendations for glass to view on Montreal? We **may** be there the weekend on of 30 July. Thanks, Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 10:22:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: meryder@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: whiting Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:38:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990717093806.00967c60@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jul16.65925.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:51 PM 7/16/99 -0700, Cheryl wrote: > >When I'm short on whiting I use clean sawdust from hubby's woodshop. >Works pretty good. > Phew...I was beginning to wonder if I had imagined this approach. I would have sworn that I was taught to use redwood sawdust when I took my first class in the mid-80s. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 11:16:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Toby Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG - sort of - Flying, eating critters on The E-Tour :-< Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul17.94932.0> References: <<199907171545.PAA14406@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Toby wrote: > Hi all, > Replies to THIS one, should probably go to me personally, rather than > on BUNGI. > > I am sorry to have to disappoint "some" of you, but there won't be > any "nekkid" shows on The E-Tour; partly because of anxiety about > flying critters that enjoy eating humans. > Your advice how to keep them away from me, will be gratefully > received. Eat plenty of fresh garlic! m ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 12:36:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: "Charles R. Clark" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:43:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.4438.0> References: <<3790911A.F26F1F81@sky.net>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > > Hi All, > This house, located on Ward Parkway has steel siding. Seven different > colors, one each for the owner's grandchildren. The colors are/were > pastel. Lot's of controversy in that neighborhood. > David sounds Kewl:) But as I can imagine there are no doubt a lot of button down types that are deeply offended by what someone else chooses to do. Live and let live....actually the only reason I live in a "normal" house is because my husband likes it...if it were up to me I would buy an old victorian and do weird stuff like let the kids handprint all over the walls, paint each room a different color, lots of thrift store and of course, LOTS OF GLASS:) But dh likes his house a little more classy than me I guess and I really dont care about it that much. I have my land for my horses so I'm happy.....I always wonder about people who dont have anything better to do with their time than worry what color someone else painted their house or other things like that. Too much time on their hands I guess....one time I looked into buying a "historical" house when I lived in MA and dropped the idea real fast when I saw how tightly regulated you are in what you can and cannot do with them to preserve their authenticity. Ditto for houses in certain resort areas that have to look just so to preserve the resort "image"...I mean I see why they do it but that doesnt mean that I want to be a part of it. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BED065.D6D96BC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 13:54:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Christie A. Wood" Subject: Re: Door panel opinions sought Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:24:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.222444.0> References: <<1999Jul17.75321.0@?>> Precedence: bulk OK I'll bite. :-) In message <1999Jul17.75321.0@?>, Christie A. Wood writes >Hi everyone. I've gotten a request from a client to replace >a beveled glass door which he owns which is disintegrating. >Let me explain. The door is a solid wood frame with a custom >beveled panel (all clear) inserted in the middle. Glass dimensions >are 21" wide x 66" tall. ..cut.... > >So...I can't repair the thing. I can only replace it with another >stained glass piece. But I don't want the same thing to happen >to my replacement panel as is happening to this bevel cluster >panel. > >Some ideas I've thought about...Please give me your opinions >on the pros/cons of them and any other ideas you might have. > >Quote#1: Purchase a stock bevel cluster in a similar size/design >as the original, add clear Spectrum Artique glass as background >(the client likes it), use lead & cement, and add 3 steel rebars to >the front of the panel to be anchored into the wooden frame, as well >as matching 3 steel rebars to the back of the panel, also to be >anchored into the wooden frame. This way the rebars front and >back act as the brace to keep the panel from flexing during opening >and slamming. Rebars to be evenly spaced running horizontally. The saddle bars are traditionally put on the inside (its away from the weather) only. Are you building a prison door? :_) The bars "cut" across any pattern you make. Depending on the pattern, you can have shaped saddle bars made (you can bend them yourself with a vice and some force, heat not usually required) to follow the lead lines. Me? I'd put a 6.4mm laminated glass sheet on the outside, and the leaded bevels on the inside with small holes from the inside to the small space between the two surfaces. The laminated glass keeps the bevelled from going outwards when the door slams. If you really must, you could put another sheet of laminated glass on the inside, forming a sandwich, but ventilation holes are required to all surfaces. In this case probably from inside and outside to the leaded panel. > >Quote#2: Client asked for a quote on a custom design to match his >custom faux painted wisteria vines and ivy vines inside the house. >No problem - can do. But I would like to cover the same amount of >space (21" x 66") using copper foil and use lots of inter-locking curves >to give the panel more designed-in strength. Use Morton StrongLine >copper-clad steel internal reinforcement strips inside most major >solder lines, particularly those running horizontally as well as at least= > >3 running vertically. Anchor some of the StrongLine into the wooden >frame. No external rebar. > I don't think strongline will be sufficient on its own. How much stronger than solder is it anyway? So I'd put that sheet of 6.4 mm laminated glass on the outside again. The strongline should be sufficient to deal with any internal bulging. >Gang - any problems with either method? Which would you do? Is >the another solution? > Yep, I guess there are lots of other solutions. Good luck Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 16:06:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: laguna.com.mx!treetops From: Bob&Kathie Coull To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Elizabeth and others eaten by critters Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:42:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990717174217.006bd09c@laguna-01.laguna.com.mx> Precedence: bulk Call your local AVON representative and buy the pint bottle of AVON's Skin So Soft. Go to the supermarket and buy a spray bottle. Fill the bottle with half SSS and half water. When you finish showering in the morning, or whenever you're going to be outdoors, shake the bottle to mix the oil and water and SPRAY every bit of your naked body. Smooth all over your skin. Then either dry yourself with a towel or just drip dry. Even AVON doesn't know why it works but it does. The Rangers in the Everglades, where NOTHING is sprayed for bugs, swear by it. The only drawback is the strong smell, not unpleasant, rather intensely flowery, but STRONG! And it doesn't hurt your skin either. I have used it for years with great success. Every critter in the world bites me and I'm violently allergic to bee and wasp stings (the usual hospital visit and epinephrine, etc.) Or you might want to try DEEP WOODS OFF, although some studies (don't know which ones or who sponsored them or even if the clinical results were accurate) say that Deet, the active ingredient in it, causes cancer. Good luck, Elizabeth, enjoy your tour and wish we could be there. But we will be compensating this autumn when we go to Europe for 6 weeks and look at glass! And don't pine too badly, Toby, she'll be home before you know it. Sincerely, Kathie in Mexico ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 16:37:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:15:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: NG, just wanted to share Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:20:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.92057.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk There Is Greatness All Around You - Use It There are many people who could be Olympic champions, All-Americans who have never tried. I’d estimate five million people could have beaten me in the pole vault the years I won it, at least five million. Men who were stronger, bigger and faster than I was, could have done it, but they never picked up a pole, never made the feeble effort to pick their legs off the ground to try to get over the bar. Greatness is all around us. It’s easy to be great because great people will help you. What is fantastic about all the conventions I go to is that the greatest in the business will come and share their ideas, their methods and their techniques with everyone else. I have seen the greatest salesmen open up and show young salesmen exactly how they did it. They don’t hold back. I have also found it true in the world of sports. I’ll never forget the time I was trying to break Dutch Warmer Dam’s record. I was about a foot below his record, so I called him on the phone. I said, "Dutch, can you help me? I seem to have leveled off. I can’t get any higher." He said, "Sure, Bob, come on up to visit me and I’ll give you all I got." I spent three days with the master, the greatest pole vaulter in the world. For three days, Dutch gave me everything that he’d seen. There were things that I was doing wrong and he corrected them. To make a long story short, I went up eight inches. That great guy gave me the best that he had. I’ve found that sports champions and heroes willingly do this just to help you become great, too. John Wooden, the great UCLA basketball coach, has a philosophy that every day he is supposed to help someone who can never reciprocate. That’s his obligation. When in college working on his masters thesis on scouting and defensive football, George Allen wrote up a 30-page survey and sent it out to the great coaches in the country. Eighty-five percent answered it completely. Great people will share, which is what made George Allen one of the greatest football coaches in the world. Great people will tell you their secrets. Look for them, call them on the phone or buy their books. Go where they are, get around them, talk to them. It is easy to be great when you get around great people. By Bob Richards Olympic Athlete from Chicken Soup for the Soul Copyright 1993 by Jack Canfield and Mark Victor Hansen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 17:22:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dichroic Glass Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul17.94843.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk HI, Just a question. Do any of you hot glass people make Dichroic glass rings? It just occurred to me, that I have never seen one. If you don't, why not? I would buy one. My only thought to not making them, is cause one size does not fit all and that makes for inventory nightmares. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 17 17:45:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!ATFSI From: ATFSI@aol.com To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dichroic Glass Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:07:23 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul18.0723.0> Precedence: bulk What would be the preferred glass for a ring??? (blue pyrex??) Could they be made from tube?? and then cut and hot finished/sized?? Jack ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 02:50:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: "Christie A. Wood" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Door panel opinions sought Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 05:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul18.12617.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, from the way you explained the abuse of the door, I would quote option #1. Sounds like the client likes that idea, and the rebar sounds like a added feature that needs to be there. My 5 cents. Rick --- "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > Hi everyone. I've gotten a request from a client to > replace > a beveled glass door which he owns which is > disintegrating. > Let me explain. The door is a solid wood frame with > a custom > beveled panel (all clear) inserted in the middle. > Glass dimensions > are 21" wide x 66" tall. Big sucker of a bevel > cluster. This > is the front door of the house. They have 2 > teenaged boys > who slam the door. This is what is causing the > bevel cluster > panel to crack. This guy says that just about every > week he > discovers another crack in another of the pieces. > Right now > there are 9 pieces cracked. The panel is not > reinforced in > any way. In fact, I can easily make the panel bend > back and > forth simply by gently pushing on it in the center. > This is a lead > came panel, with little or (more probable) no > cementing. Don't > know where it came from. Doesn't match any standard > bevel > clusters in my distributors's books. > > So...I can't repair the thing. I can only replace > it with another > stained glass piece. But I don't want the same > thing to happen > to my replacement panel as is happening to this > bevel cluster > panel. > > Some ideas I've thought about...Please give me your > opinions > on the pros/cons of them and any other ideas you > might have. > > Quote#1: Purchase a stock bevel cluster in a similar > size/design > as the original, add clear Spectrum Artique glass as > background > (the client likes it), use lead & cement, and add 3 > steel rebars to > the front of the panel to be anchored into the > wooden frame, as well > as matching 3 steel rebars to the back of the panel, > also to be > anchored into the wooden frame. This way the rebars > front and > back act as the brace to keep the panel from flexing > during opening > and slamming. Rebars to be evenly spaced running > horizontally. > > Quote#2: Client asked for a quote on a custom design > to match his > custom faux painted wisteria vines and ivy vines > inside the house. > No problem - can do. But I would like to cover the > same amount of > space (21" x 66") using copper foil and use lots of > inter-locking curves > to give the panel more designed-in strength. Use > Morton StrongLine > copper-clad steel internal reinforcement strips > inside most major > solder lines, particularly those running > horizontally as well as at least= > > 3 running vertically. Anchor some of the StrongLine > into the wooden > frame. No external rebar. > > Gang - any problems with either method? Which would > you do? Is > the another solution? > > Christie Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > http://www.igga.org/wood/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 07:52:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!izzy3 From: Michael Smoucha To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Door panel opinions sought Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.43721.0> References: <<1999Jul17.75321.0>> Precedence: bulk "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > Hi everyone. I've gotten a request from a client to replace > a beveled glass door which he owns which is disintegrating. > Let me explain. The door is a solid wood frame with a custom > beveled panel (all clear) inserted in the middle. Glass dimensions > are 21" wide x 66" tall. Big sucker of a bevel cluster. This > is the front door of the house. They have 2 teenaged boys > who slam the door. This is what is causing the bevel cluster > panel to crack. This guy says that just about every week he > discovers another crack in another of the pieces. Right now > there are 9 pieces cracked. The panel is not reinforced in > any way. In fact, I can easily make the panel bend back and > forth simply by gently pushing on it in the center. This is a lead > came panel, with little or (more probable) no cementing. Don't > know where it came from. Doesn't match any standard bevel > clusters in my distributors's books. > > So...I can't repair the thing. I can only replace it with another > stained glass piece. But I don't want the same thing to happen > to my replacement panel as is happening to this bevel cluster > panel. > > Some ideas I've thought about...Please give me your opinions > on the pros/cons of them and any other ideas you might have. > > Quote#1: Purchase a stock bevel cluster in a similar size/design > as the original, add clear Spectrum Artique glass as background > (the client likes it), use lead & cement, and add 3 steel rebars to > the front of the panel to be anchored into the wooden frame, as well > as matching 3 steel rebars to the back of the panel, also to be > anchored into the wooden frame. This way the rebars front and > back act as the brace to keep the panel from flexing during opening > and slamming. Rebars to be evenly spaced running horizontally. > > Quote#2: Client asked for a quote on a custom design to match his > custom faux painted wisteria vines and ivy vines inside the house. > No problem - can do. But I would like to cover the same amount of > space (21" x 66") using copper foil and use lots of inter-locking curves > to give the panel more designed-in strength. Use Morton StrongLine > copper-clad steel internal reinforcement strips inside most major > solder lines, particularly those running horizontally as well as at least= > > 3 running vertically. Anchor some of the StrongLine into the wooden > frame. No external rebar. > > Gang - any problems with either method? Which would you do? Is > the another solution? > In either case use steel rebar anchored into the frame. Just a thought: Try a marriage of the two. Use the original bevel grid and overlay the desired wisteria pattern in foil if you so desire. You can possibly use all of the old glass either using breaks for vine lines or replacing damaged areas with leaf and flower shapes. A designing challenge. Mixing foil and lead can make for quite an interesting final product. You are also keeping some of the original character of the door ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 08:23:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:12:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!winstonga From: "Winston Winston" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Any recommendations on new cutter? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:10:53 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jul18.151053.0> Precedence: bulk I like the Thompson saddle style cutter. My hands tend to shake a little and I would not be able to continue SG as a hobby without this type of cutter. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 09:56:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Lee Boe" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Irridizing spray for Hot Glass (beads) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 99 22:12:29 Message-ID: <199907181618.KAA03902@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:32:30 -0400, Lee Boe wrote: >Sorry for the 'repeat' this is going to all 3 glass lists. I'm on bungi,, what's the other two? Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 10:24:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:52:27 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Ya Liz & all, This doesn't pertain to the thread of grafitti ...but something you said caught my eye! >>>I always wonder about people who dont have anything better to do with their time than worry what color someone else painted their house or other things like that. Too much time on their hands I guess.... Right on girl! I guess certain colors could be *plain distasteful* to our eyes, but what business is it of ours?... your home is your home and it shouldn't matter if the neighbours approve...(since I've just moved from the bush, are there bylaws that say your house can't be stripped?)....not that I'd really want one, but on someone elses it could look cool:) ...in our BIG town, there's a whole mountain side of homes...by the hundreds it seems and they are all the same...throw in a few stripped homes and wow!!...atleast one would know which place is yours:) And you mentioned restoring a heritage home, how true...especially if you decide to open it for business. One would have to have rocks in their head or more $$$ than they know what to do with, to deal with all the laws and permits. Folks can spend far too much time *wasting* life and making opinions about others when they are only assuming their *own* ideas about the person...we are judged by our actions sometimes far too much, for some very trival issues... I guess I've spent too much of my 45 yrs. (hee, hee) being a non conformist... I sometimes wonder if it isn't like raising chickens...if they are kept too close to each other they all start peckin' on each other. Don't mean to be on a rant...but remember it's just an opinion folks that I'm assuming...of course I had to say that:) Hmmm, defacing public property isn't cool, but atleast they are being creativity:):):)... Have a grrreat day, Cindy:) PS...move #3 *the finial move*, August 16th!...and yeppers I'm movin' away from the neighbourhood:)...so I can finially turn on my stereo! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 10:33:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:54:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG, just wanted to share Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:52:49 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >Thanks for sharing that Shirley. >There are many great mentors in all walks of life and lucky are we if we are able to connect. >Cindy:) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 14:24:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:59:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Kathy" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: windows Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.5302.0> Precedence: bulk The best reason to choose one over the other! Do what you enjoy doing and the results will be better because you were having fun. For some strange reason, I enjoy foil. Since you do not, why not stick with lead? Actually, I am not a foil purest either. As I have said before, I generally frame the outside of a window panel in lead so it can be fit better into the frame. I also use lead when the design image calls for it. I sometime mix lead and foil lines for the effect. But for me I'll go for the foil when given the choice. You'll go for lead. I say tomato, you say toe-mae-toe.... -----Original Message----- From: Kathy To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 11:21 AM Subject: windows ..... >The second reason is that I despise foiling. It must be the most boring >thing I've ever done. In the last 6 months, 80% of my projects have >switched to lead. ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 14:42:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Kathy" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: windows Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:00:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.7037.0> Precedence: bulk It depends on the size of the center square among other things. My best guess from the drawing is that is should be OK. Any stress will tend to follow the diagonal lines then follow the lead lines around the square in the center. I don't think the stress will focus into the center square, but it is hard to know for sure from the drawing. You are right in thinking design is one of the most critical things for whether a panel will last or not. My opinion is that design is much more important than the lead vs. foil choice. Perfect case in point: When we started the art gallery 3 years ago, there had been a fire in the building. The glass panel in the back door had shattered from the heat. I decided to replace the shattered plain glass panel with a very quick stained glass piece using extra glass I had lying around. I did not have much time because we had to fix all the rest of the building, install track lighting, paint, and about a thousand other things. Part of the idea became to see how fast I could do the panel from design start through to complete installation (answer 5+ hours). The opening to be filled with glass was fairly large - 39 inches high by 23 inches wide. The door was 60 or 80 year old basic stile and rail construction with quite a bit of flex in the joints. The door is very prone to being caught by the wind and slamming shut hard. The door and existing internal window frame was such that I could only do a simple wood stop to hold the panel - not enough thickness for butyl tape or other shock absorbing methods possible. The building itself is a company mining town (i.e. cheap) 90 year old post and beam wood frame construction very prone to shifting with the weather. The once a day blasts from the quarry cause the entire building to shake. All in all, perhaps one of the worst situations for causing stained glass to crack. I designed the window on the fly pretty much as I was cutting the glass. I made a very significant design error as I went along. About six months after installing the panel, two of the sheets of glass cracked when the door slammed shut very very hard in a strong wind storm. It is important to realize the glass cracked because of poor design. I feel very strongly it would have cracked just as badly if the panel had been done in lead (it was foiled). None of the other pieces of glass have cracked yet despite the foil construction - only the two pieces where stress very obviously focused right into the center of the pieces. The design is something like this (except with more flowing lines, more pieces, etc.). _________________ ! !____________! ! ! !\ ! / ! ! ! ! \ ! / ! ! ! ! \ ! / ! ! ! ! \ ! / ! ! ! ! \ ! / ! ! ! ! \ ! / ! ! ! ! \ ! / ! ! ! ! \!/ ! ! ! !__-----^--____ ! ! ! ! cracked ---! ! ! !_____ ___! ! ! ! ------- ! ! ! !____________ ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! (the rest of the door) As you can see, the vertical lines will conduct stress from the flexing upper corners of the door straight into the center of the bottom two horizontal pieces. Of course it is going to crack! (My only excuse is how little time I had to think about the design). However, I actually take this window as a point in favor of my argument that the foil construction method is not that different from lead came from a stress point of view. Note that the window flexed down the curved vertical lines just the same as a lead came panel would have. If in fact the foil joints were so much stiffer than lead, then the window would not have cracked the way it did. The distortion points in the door are the upper two corners, not the center of the 80 year old fine grained fir vertical stiles. The upper vertical pieces of glass would have had to absorb the stress if the foil lines were in fact that much stiffer. But this did not happen. The window flexed just the same as a lead came panel would have. And it cracked just the same as a lead came panel would have. The upper vertical glass which should have cracked if foil was really significantly stiffer than lead, have in fact not done so in the additional 2 1/2 years since since the first pieces cracked. -----Original Message----- From: Kathy To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 11:21 AM Subject: windows ... >______ >| \ /| >| \ / | >| \_ / | >| /_ \ | >| / \ | >|/_____\ | > ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 14:54:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Christie A. Wood" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:28:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.72827.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, you can simply place the SG panel inside the plain glass. But a strong caution about this practice is in order: Depending on your climate, you can create a bad moisture condensation problem between the stained glass and the plane glass. If the plane glass window currently forms condensation in the winter, then you need to be very careful about doing this. The problem will be much worse if the plane glass is single paned rather than double. If the window is double paned then you will usually not have the problem (though still not 100%). If enough moisture forms it can trickle down inside and cause a wood frame to rot. Even if it is not this bad, the condensation will eventually leave behind a film which will cloud the glass. Many times the problem can be corrected by allowing some extra air flow between the panes of glass. You can never perfectly seal the joints in stained glass. So it is impossible to create a true hermetically sealed double paned window with only de-moisturized air trapped inside. Since you can not guarantee only dry air between the glass, it is actually better to allow it to "breathe" between the panels. Two small holes or gaps, one near the bottom and one near the top, are often sufficient for the purpose. I do not guarantee this though. No matter what you do, some climates and houses will cause a condensation problem no matter what you do. You should make sure you can remove the molding later to change things if a problem does appear. (Actually, it is always smart to allow for fixing stained glass windows. No matter how well you build, accidents will happen...) -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? ... So, it would be OK to place the SG panel to the inside of the plain glass and refit the molding? ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 15:28:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Rare Glass1 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:07:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.8733.0> Precedence: bulk I have one sheet of Merry-Go-Round midnight blue and red left. It is beautiful and so far I have not found anything else like it. Maybe one day I will think of a design that will do it justice (it will have to be really good since I can't get any more of the glass). It would have to be an application where I won't be worried about repairing it if it is broken (since again the glass can not be matched). I also have one sheet that came from Fremont, though as far as I can determine it was an experiment and they are not sure if they could do it again. It is simply amazing. It changes color so much in different lights it is hard to believe it is the same glass. Smoky pinks with blues and golds that look like they are hidden on the inside and only come out when you ask nicely. An entire cloudy 2 hour sunset crammed into one sheet of glass. I think I had better go take a cold shower now. I can only think about so much stained glass ecstasy in one day. -----Original Message----- From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 11:32 PM Subject: Rare Glass1 >Hi All, > >While were on the subject of rare glass (i.e. Fremont Glass), does >anyone >still have any "Merry-Go-Round" around? > >I have a small piece of softly irridized creamy beige, but that's all I >have left. > >Regards, >Cheryl > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 17:32:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Door panel opinions sought Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.94518.0> Precedence: bulk I will be very interested to hear what Bungi has to say about these. I'm not sure myself... One added thought though: Why not put dampening hinges on the door to slow down the force of it slamming? I think you will save the stained glass no matter which of the three techniques you use. And it might save the sanity of your client (I know I would cringe every time one of the kids slammed the door). There are several good varieties of dampening hinges available. They are a bit pricey, but I think they are well worth it. They also have a larger cylinder than normal hinges, so some people do not like the looks of them. But I think it might be worth suggesting to the client. One type I have used is filled with a viscous fluid. It slows down really fast movement without making the door feel stiff at normal opening / closing speeds. ----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 10:01 AM Subject: Door panel opinions sought ...cut >Some ideas I've thought about...Please give me your opinions >on the pros/cons of them and any other ideas you might have. > ...cut ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 18:22:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: thumb on the scale Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:25:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.162547.0> References: <<1999Jul16.151154.0>> Precedence: bulk I heard it wasn't his thumb on the scale! > Hi, > > Reminds me of an old Norman Rockwell illustration I saw a print of > recently.. > A lady is at the butcher store, and the butcher has put a piece of meat > on the > scale. Both the eyes of the butcher and the lady are focused on the > scale's > readout dial, so neither of the two can see what the other is > doing...the butcher > has his thumb on the scale bed, pushing down, and the lady has her > finger > under the scale bed, pushing up.... It's a cute scene... > > Regards, > Cheryl > > Rick wrote: > > > Het Mike...chill dude...it's an old butcher shop > > trick, > > and believe it or not, they actually used to do that. > > > > Rick, the old Italian butcher's grandson son > > > > --- Mike Figgy wrote: > > > I resent that comment- implying that your retailer > > > would be so dishonest as > > > to do such a thing... > > > Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, > > > Canada, M8Y 1L2 > > > (Tel:416-252-6868) > > > Canada's first and yes, still its only officially > > > sanctioned stained glass > > > supplier. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Rick > > > To: Mike Savad ; > > > Sent: July 16, 1999 6:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: fremont glasss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to the advantage of the seller to charge > > > by > > > > > the pound as you get to > > > > > > pay for the rolled edge, too. > > > > > > > > Just make sure their thumb isn't on the > > > scale...sort > > > > a' like payin for the bone in a cut of meat.. > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === > > > > http://home.fuse.net/crafts > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > > > glass-request@bungi.com > > > > To send to the list, please mail to: > > > glass@bungi.com > > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === > > http://home.fuse.net/crafts > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 18:33:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: whiting Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:24:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.162459.0> References: <<1999Jul17.21328.0>> Precedence: bulk Try any building supply- 50 lbs for about $6.00 (and that's Canadian $)- one of many brand names-'Snow White' , also commonly refered to as crushed limestone, calcium carbonate or figium chalkinate... Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: July 16, 1999 11:25 PM Subject: Re: whiting > $1.00 per pound > taylor'd expressions > > > debbie taylor > > taylor'd Expressions > "Your complete art glass supply source." > kleeman@one.net > http://www.taylordexpressions.com/ > 1-888-488-9616 (toll free) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dani Greer > To: Shari Higbee > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 9:13 PM > Subject: whiting > > > > Message text written by "Shari Higbee" > > > > > I stumbled upon whiting the other day in my locally owned hardware store = > > in > > the paint section. It was marked as something to be used in "cleanup". I > > think it was with the turpentine and stuff...< > > > > If you have a ceramics store near you, they often carry > > it.... that's where we buy ours in 50-100 pound bags. = > > > > Your stained glass retailer should be able to get 5# > > cartons of it, but it'll cost you. Also, I've heard that > > groomers use it... lastly, you might be able to get it > > through a ranch/farm supplier... they also use it for > > grooming sheep and such. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Dani Greer > > Greer Gallery & Studios > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 19:49:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Door panel opinions sought Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul18.155658.0> References: <<1999Jul18.94518.0>> Precedence: bulk Geesh, that sounds like a really logical thing to think about....starting to fix the problem at the "root" as it were rather than trying to fix the problem at the end result (the "slam!"). Tim & Adriana Atwood wrote: > I will be very interested to hear what Bungi has to say about these. I'm > not sure myself... > > One added thought though: > > Why not put dampening hinges on the door to slow down the force of it > slamming? I think you will save the stained glass no matter which of the > three techniques you use. And it might save the sanity of your client (I > know I would cringe every time one of the kids slammed the door). > > There are several good varieties of dampening hinges available. They are a > bit pricey, but I think they are well worth it. They also have a larger > cylinder than normal hinges, so some people do not like the looks of them. > But I think it might be worth suggesting to the client. One type I have > used is filled with a viscous fluid. It slows down really fast movement > without making the door feel stiff at normal opening / closing speeds. > > ----Original Message----- > From: Christie A. Wood > To: Bungi > Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 10:01 AM > Subject: Door panel opinions sought > ...cut > > >Some ideas I've thought about...Please give me your opinions > >on the pros/cons of them and any other ideas you might have. > > > ...cut > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 18 20:13:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 19:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:08:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.12810.0> References: <> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > Hi Ya Liz & all, > This doesn't pertain to the thread of grafitti ...but something you said > caught my eye! > > >>>I always wonder about people who dont have anything better to do with > their time than worry what color someone else painted their house or other > things like that. Too much time on their hands I guess.... > > Right on girl! > I guess certain colors could be *plain distasteful* to our eyes, but what > business is it of ours?... your home is your home and it shouldn't matter if > the neighbours approve...(since I've just moved from the bush, are there > bylaws that say your house can't be stripped?)....not that I'd really want > one, but on someone elses it could look cool:) > ...in our BIG town, there's a whole mountain side of homes...by the hundreds > it seems and they are all the same...throw in a few stripped homes and > wow!!...atleast one would know which place is yours:) > > And you mentioned restoring a heritage home, how true...especially if you > decide to open it for business. One would have to have rocks in their head > or more $$$ than they know what to do with, to deal with all the laws and > permits. > > Folks can spend far too much time *wasting* life and making opinions about > others when they are only assuming their *own* ideas about the person...we > are judged by our actions sometimes far too much, for some very trival issues... > > I guess I've spent too much of my 45 yrs. (hee, hee) being a non conformist... > I sometimes wonder if it isn't like raising chickens...if they are kept too > close to each other they all start peckin' on each other. > Don't mean to be on a rant...but remember it's just an opinion folks that > I'm assuming...of course I had to say that:) > > Hmmm, defacing public property isn't cool, but atleast they are being > creativity:):):)... > Have a grrreat day, Cindy:) > PS...move #3 *the finial move*, August 16th!...and yeppers I'm movin' away > from the neighbourhood:)...so I can finially turn on my stereo! > > Cindy you are a woman after my own heart. Now here is the ULTIMATE in stupid house laws...I used to live in Spokane WA..the neighborhood I lived in was on the side of a hill...they tried to keep the way out west theme going and the only allowable roofing materials were wood shakes (the real ones....vinyl made to look like wood is not OK and several people had to have their roofs redone when they were caught) Or mexican tile..which of course only works with a certain architechtural (sp?) style. BUT Spokane is very very dry. Guess what is the most flammable roofing material.....yeppers....wood shakes. Even after a few homes caught fire a few years back the housing association was ADAMENT about how tacky it would look to have any other roofing materials. So keep the houses looking a certain way even it drastically ups the fire hazard factor. Pretty stupid, eh? 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Ray ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 02:34:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: 'rrk' , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: About photographing stained glass pieces Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:42:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.104233.0> Precedence: bulk Subject: About photographing stained glass pieces >is no substitute for exact how-to knowledge. I agree... >Perhaps we could hammer out a set of general working >guidelines, and add specifics as we go along. >Everyone could chime in here with their own personal >experiences, good or bad >So, reasoning from first principles it seems to me that : Had no luck with digital cameras.I Beleive this is due to color filters used in the camera chips used to take the photograph.Great for quick pictures that can be put on the web as there is no need for a scanner but no color depth like scanned prints.They also accentuate red colors as the chips are more sensitive to red. Digital cameras give better photographs when the light used for illumination is fluorescent through stained glass. Color correction can be done using programs such as paint shop pro or corel photopaint which helps a little. I do not see why you can not use photographic flash using a remote flash behind the glass at night again using a diffusion device such as an umbrella or white sheet etc etc. Has any body tried this??. Best pictures I have taken have been using sunlight through the glass with the prints scanned afterwards. Brandon S. Jones (UK) Regards to all =85=85=85=85 Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 07:13:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 06:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Help with door (more) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:40:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.54037.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who sent me replies about the door problem. I did discuss the option of sandwitching the stained glass between 2 plates of tempered glass. The client is not keen on that. So...that's what got me thinking about the double rebar solution. Also, I did discuss with him using a dampening hinge to slow down & control slamming/closing the door. He's going to install one no matter what. Thanks to all the replies. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 07:33:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 06:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: lakefield.net!dharms From: "Donna Harms" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:25:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.32532.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01BED1C0.44D9C100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi List, Have been mostly listener for several years, but had to go out = and see Freemont glass over the weekend. Went to a Milwaukee shop and = saw what everyone was talking about. Here it was $33.00/ft. Since = presently in a lamp phase I can't really see an application with the = Freemont, at least with the pieces I saw. But here's my question.....Had never been interested in hot glass until = now. Saw some pieces done in a shop and I WILL have to do it! I have = signed up for a class this fall, but now am searching for info. and = prices on kilns. In the past have just deleted hot glass info, big = mistake---now I need it. Any info or opinions on kilns will be = appreciated. Also, I believe there is a hot glass list. Could anyone = send the address please? My mind is racing as it thinks of all the = applications I can do with the addition of a kiln. Thanks for any help = and sorry again I didn't keep the info. Donna Harms 25 yr. on and off glass.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01BED1C0.44D9C100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi List, Have been mostly listener = for several=20 years, but had to go out and see Freemont glass over the weekend. Went = to a=20 Milwaukee shop and saw what everyone was talking about. Here it was = $33.00/ft.=20 Since presently in a lamp phase I can't really see an application with = the=20 Freemont, at least with the pieces I saw.
 
But here's my question.....Had never = been=20 interested in hot glass until now. Saw some pieces done in a shop and I = WILL=20 have to do it!  I have signed up for a class this fall, but now am=20 searching for info. and prices on kilns.  In the past have just = deleted hot=20 glass info, big mistake---now I need it. Any info or opinions on kilns = will be=20 appreciated.  Also, I believe there is a hot glass list. Could = anyone send=20 the address please? My mind is racing as it thinks of all the = applications I can=20 do with the addition of a kiln.  Thanks for any help and sorry = again I=20 didn't keep the info.
Donna Harms
25 yr. on and off glass.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01BED1C0.44D9C100-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 07:45:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:09:31 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.10931.0> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk > Right on girl! > I guess certain colors could be *plain distasteful* to our eyes, but what > business is it of ours?... It certainly becomes your business when your, neighbouring home, loses $ value because of the view! or the neighbourhood, which is what happened in our previous home. Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 08:17:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:50:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:50:28 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > > >I've been to Spokane!!! grin. >Doesn't that beat all??...combustable roofing material and unsafe tiles that won't allow firefighters the knowledge of destroyed roof joists below and God knows what else...hopefully they have come to their senses... > >As I just wrote to lady *highly concerned* about the lost value in her preivous home due to the neighbour less than cosy pride in their own...I feel that's very unfair to them. It should be the mass area reflexed in market value and not singled out to just next door....ah heck if you live in the Cariboo and you do have a finished home...you're one of the up town folks! > >One just gets to the point where they ARE fed up with being told what to do. I can't be accountable for neighbours and I try to not let it bother me...that's their business. >For me living in a subdivision is not my cup of tea, and I have a hard time understand the pressures that go along with them...but bylaws are then probably a GOOD thing....one also wonders of the ever increasing road rage, does it stem from traffic or does it start from home???. >On a personal note...I feel road rage *building* due to a main train line a 100' behind this *rented* home....it's drivin' me nuts:) >And to end my rant (ya Dennis Miller does it for me, grin...very cool American!...grin)...when folks petition against you for cutting a tree in our yard, it really gets me going. >And as the very smart and sassy Sparks would say...back to your regular viewing. >Cindy:) >PS...this is just my opinion and I could be wrong:)...hope I haven't taking this non glass thing to it limits...limits?...anyone remember Outlimits??? Haven't done any glass for a few weeks (month even?) and I think I've lost my mind:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 09:47:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Door panel opinions sought Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:48:07 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk If the abuse isn't corrected. Is there any quarrante against cracking..totally? Not having done a front entery door yet, I'd like to know also. I've seen them on TV and they all seem to be reinforced with rebar (bevel clusters). I've always thought a *little give* is stronger than no give at all...when kitchen cupboard doors are slammed it appears to me that the copper foiled ones are more luckly to crack first (am I wrong?) If one does a copperfoil insert w/ a leaded came border, does that allow for some shock to be absorbed? If one has their glasswork tripled glazed, does that add to any strength? I've (once) suggested due to young children in the house, not to go for stained glass cupboard doors due to the fact the door was to be the *drinking glass* door and you know how kids can be. Good luck Christie! Cindy:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 10:09:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:31:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" , Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:29:22 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.112922.0> References: <> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Hi Cindy, > I just get very tired of being told what I can and can't do...and when I > hear of folks telling others which tree they can cut in their yard and so > forth it really gets me going. ah, I know what you mean! we just got a letter from our local council, telling us that if we have a dog on the premises, we *must* install a fence at least 2 metres high around the whole property, by June next year. Never mind if your dog is a chihuahua or a corgi - 2 metres for all! > Sorry to hear about your preivous home. It totally unfair that you should > lose your market value on your home due to your neighbours. the view across the valley was really lovely, until a local butcher built a *bright* purple, cement block MANSION, I'm not kidding it took up half the hill! not that I'm against self expression, but he's not looking at it, he's looking out of it! there was a case on the news the other day about a fellow on the Gold Coast hinterland, his neighbour built a *shocking* ugly, not to mention unstable retaining wall down the border of their properties, this poor guy had moved up from Melbourne only a few months ago, his dream retirement home. he got the real estate agent who sold it to him to come out and give him an opinion, the value of the home had dropped $30,000! > I guess as I'm getting older, I'm trying to learn more patience:) and only > worry about myself...grin. lol! Shakespeare had it right: "age cannot wither her, nor custom stale, her infinite variety" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 10:18:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:27:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: glass@bungi.com, 'Shirley Balloch' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Dichroic Glass Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:22:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.82256.0> Precedence: bulk Would you not be afraid of glass breaking around a finger.. With my luck, or lack of it, I would hit my hand on the counter and the ring would shatter and have slivers of glass in my finger.. Bad enough when I brush my lab coat that I wear when I cut glass and I am looking for the nail polish to pull that splinter out that I could not see. I am still worried about marketing candle shelters, what if they leave the candle unattended.. Gloria > ---------- > From: Shirley Balloch[SMTP:balloch@netbridge.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 7:48 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Dichroic Glass > > HI, > Just a question. Do any of you hot glass people make Dichroic glass > rings? It just occurred to me, that I have never seen one. If you > don't, why not? I would buy one. > My only thought to not making them, is cause one size does not fit all > and that makes for inventory nightmares. > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 10:51:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: 3-D Lamp Book Discounted Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:24:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.52437.0> Precedence: bulk I received the following information this morning from Arkie Pisello, the author of the 3-D Lamp Book we have discussed recently. Sounds like a good deal: -------------------- Book cover & back is in color The book has 52 pages in it. Inside of the book isall, in black & white Print is big & clear Has about 10 pages of pictures, black & white. Has about 32 pages of diagrams. Has about 10 pages of instructikons, & information. It gives good clear instruction. The cover photo is inviting. ****GOOD NEWS**** WOW!!! We have checked around in the book stores & glass shops & after a long discussion, we are going to sell the book for 19.95 plus shipping & handling, to better satisfy & serve our customer. Remember this is a whole NEW medium in stained glass, making!! P.S. Any one who has sent 29.95 out for the book, I will refund them 10.00 back, when I send them the book. Please pass the word around. I will be glad to help you in any way if I can. Thank You. Arkie Pisello Sr. -------------- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 11:05:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:21:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, ktsplash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:57:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.25737.0> References: <<1999Jul20.10931.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk ktsplash wrote: > > > Right on girl! > > I guess certain colors could be *plain distasteful* to our eyes, but what > > business is it of ours?... > > It certainly becomes your business when your, neighbouring home, loses $ > value because of the view! or the neighbourhood, which is what happened in > our previous home. > > Katie > > ---- > of course thats EXACTLY what my parents said when a black family moved into our neighborhood. Property values are not the be all and end all of everything and sometimes it gets pretty ridiculous. I can see bylaws about keeping your grass cut, not having rusted vehicles out front, stuff that just reflects chaos...but COME ON...some of these bylaws get into it not being OK if you want to paint your house any but a small approved list of very conservative colors..>I am not talking purple houses here...just if you want a shade brighter than is "approved" or you want a screen door you cant have one unless its this retractable thing that in unnoticable except when you pull the screen accross. We are not talking a license to live in a pigsty but just this very narrow cookie cutter that says you must conform or we will boot you. My old neighborhood would not allow above ground pools...even very nice ones..because "its tacky"...my mother lived in a neighborhood where you cant have fencing in front because, yup, its TACKY. Our old neighborhood specified the exact percent of your yard must be ground cover and not just plain old lawn. If you, say, wanted to make a nice Japanese rock garden, something very classy, but just different from everyone elses that was not OK.....it gets ridiculous in the extreme. Bylaws I am sure started to prevent things like unmowed lawns, homes falling into such disrepair that it DOES make the whole neighborhood look bad, rusty vehicles out front or stuff that just gets too bizarre and what has happened is that it has degenerated into a cookie cutter sameness and nitpickiness. There is, as in most things I guess, a balance between rigidity and a lack of any regulation whatsoever. Its like when I used to show horses they had these nitpicky dress codes down to the color gloves you could wear. 99% of people would know what to wear and be just fine without any regulation. But there is always that minority that without any guidance would show up like they just scrubbed their stalls down. The tiny minority without any sense of appropriateness spoils it for the majority that would like a little wiggle room for individuality. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 11:34:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:37:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: About photographing stained glass pieces Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:36:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.93644.0> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I have just re-read what I have written. Be warned- it is lengthy. On Saturday night, I attended a slide show and discussion on how to photograph stained glass presented by Peter McGrain. He was in town teaching a two-three day glass painting course. Our guild contacted him to do this for us while he was in town. From 7 pm to 10:30pm, He showed us 4 trays of slides and gave us some basics and tricks he has used, I made some notes so I will try to pass some of this on to you. I have only used a point & shoot camera for family etc. pictures in the past so all this was fairly new to me. Peter focused mainly on panels, as that is what he does. He did include some pieces of jewelry and other 3D items. First and foremost, photograph all your work. Try to do it in the controlled environment of our studios/homes. It's OK to take a picture after it is installed but to get it looking its best without shadows, power lines, buildings etc. do it before you install. Also, do we want to hang around with our client waiting for the best exposure. I think not. He covered most of what Bob included in the original email on this subject so I am adding to his message. Here goes: Bob said | 1 ... Large format is better than small format. A 35 mm | format is not as good as a 8x11 format. The bigger the | film, the better the photo; the bigger the photo, the better | it will scan in; the better it scans in, the better the | final image presented on the web.. KSee: He mentioned getting larger formats done but said that could come later. It costs a lot more too. Bob said: | 2 ... The camera must be mounted on a tripod. KSee: Use a BLACK tripod, paint your silver one or drape something around it. He show many pictures where the lighting reflected off the tripod, one even made the cover of a magazine. Granted, if he hadn't pointed this out to us, we would never have noticed. | 3 ... The center of the piece should be at approximately the | same level as the camera lens. (flat panels only, spherical or semi-spherical lamps are another story) | 4 ... Photos should be taken at night only, in order to | control the light. KSee: He recommended the purchase of two types of light bulbs, both will be found, most likely, at a store that sells photography supplies. I didn't write the names down but one is for daylight, the other was purple for nighttime use. | 5 ... Quartz or halogen lights should be used for | backlighting as they approximate natural sunlight better | than other artificial lighting types (ca va dire tungsten | filaments). | Umbrella style reflectors should be used. KSee: You can get the work lights with a clamp and metal shade at a hardware store. Important: make sure you use a ceramic receptacle. If the lamp does not come with it, buy one and replace it. It's easy to do. Also, plug the lights into power strips, one for each side, so you can shut them off with the flick of one switch. These lights get really hot. Bob: | 7 ... Backlighting is a must. Depending on the piece, the | lights/reflectors should be off to the side and not heading | directly in the direction of the camera. KSee: The backdrop should be a few feet behind your panel. He was using a sheet. Direct the light onto this. Bob said: | 8 ... The piece should be surrounded by black material (sheets or paper). KSee: Peter has used all type of things over the years. One item he said worked well was foam core that is used in posters, it blocked most of the light and is light weight. He showed us pictures set up with cardboard and others I can't remember. He has used tracing paper behind the panel to defuse the light, especially when shot in a window. He has also used tracing paper behind only some of glass in the panel. He also show a few slides where he cut out a mask to place behind the panel on the sheet so that a particular part/detail of the glass would show up better. He does not recommend taking a picture where the solder shows up. We don't want to show how well we solder but the panel itself. It also distracts attention from the glass in our beautiful work. Bob said: | 9 ... The piece should completely fill up the camera view, | or as close as possible. KSee: Try to center the piece all around in the lens, he recommends we leave a fudge factor so we can crop, if necessary. If we take the shot with the work completely filling in the frame we won't have that. KSee: Here is a list of the basics he covered and recommended. Remember, neither he or myself are professional photographers. 1) Camera: buy a (used) SLR-Single lens reflex 35 mm camera with a auto to manual shutter. Also, get a set of ring lenses. Not that big of an investment for starters. 2) Tripod-black 3) cable release so you don't need to touch the camera directly and disturb the camera setup. 4) Film-Now all this was new to me. First, he said plan on taking a lot of film especially when we start out. This way you can adjust the shutter speeds and f stops up and down. We are bound to come out with at least a few good ones. The depth of field is something I have never given any thought too, so taking all kind of different shots will help me learn what I may like to best. Trick: As it is very difficult to figure out what we may have done right with a picture he showed us where he put a piece of tape on whatever he had around the glass. For each f-stop up he added a piece of tape, so when the film was developed he could tell what setting he used. That's not quite it but you get the idea. He recommends Fuji Chrome for daylight and Tungsten for artificial light. the *chrome* in the name is for slides, I didn't know that. He does not recommend Kodak film for glass work. He said his experience the Fuji worked better in keeping the colors of glass truer. Buy the lower speed films 64 to 200. Sometimes black and white may be needed for publication in newsprint. It is better to send a picture in B&W. If so, order a contact sheet first. Then only develop and pay for what you need. He said if at all possible to have our developing done by a shop that does it on the premises. That may not be possible for most of us. I believe he gets back slides and/or pictures first. Then selects the best ones, goes back to developer and has many, many added to a CD. He puts an 'O' on the original slide. Files that away in a fireproof file, uses the duplicates for sending to juries etc. As photos take a lot of disk space the CD helps a lot. Also, he is now working and learning how to digitally manipulate pictures. Especially when it is of the piece where it is installed. He showed us where he took a great shot of the window and dropped it in to a great shot of the room. There was more but I'm now brain dead. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 11:51:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" , Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 03:40:08 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.13408.0> References: <<37989F01.6792@ior.com>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk > > of course thats EXACTLY what my parents said when a black family moved into our neighborhood. I'm going to decide not to be offended by this erroneous correlation! :-) >but COME ON...some of these bylaws get into it not being OK if you want to paint your house any but a small approved list of very conservative colors.. and I agree with the ridiculousness of the bylaws you've mentioned >I am not talking purple houses here.. but I was! if you read my next post, that's exactly what I was talking about! >There is, as in most things I guess, a balance between rigidity and a lack of any regulation whatsoever. and there are times, too, where you just have to cut your losses and realise that all the people can't be pleased all the time, which is how we looked at it! sure we lost out because of this guy's taste, but I'm sure not everyone loves my taste in decorating or clothes, etc. one of those "oh well" moments. >The tiny minority without any sense of appropriateness spoils it for the majority that would like a little wiggle room for individuality. you said it! now, if we could only figure out who's idea of "appropriate" was the most *appropriate*, we may have more luck! :-) Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 11:58:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'balloch@netbridge.net'" , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Dichroic Glass Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:39:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.93931.0> Precedence: bulk to be honest, I did not think of it as a setting as much as a whole = band.. With talk of hot glass, was imagining the the glass being formed into = a ring itself.. Yes, I agree. less likely to break as a setting..=20 Have you ever tried a jewelry supply catalog.. I know they have holders = for cameo pins, maybe there might be a ring holder that all you have to do = is cut and set the glass into it.. or a necklace/brooch in that medium.. =20 > ---------- > From: Shirley Balloch[SMTP:balloch@netbridge.net] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 1:22 PM > To: Drag, Gloria J. > Subject: Re: Dichroic Glass >=20 > Why would it break if it is in a setting. The setting is what would > take the blow, not the glass???? > Shirley B >=20 > Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > >=20 > > Would you not be afraid of glass breaking around a finger.. With my > luck, or > > lack of it, I would hit my hand on the counter and the ring would > shatter > > and have slivers of glass in my finger.. Bad enough when I brush my = lab > coat > > that I wear when I cut glass and I am looking for the nail polish = to > pull > > that splinter out that I could not see. > > I am still worried about marketing candle shelters, what if they = leave > the > > candle unattended.. > > Gloria > > > ---------- > > > From: Shirley Balloch[SMTP:balloch@netbridge.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 7:48 PM > > > To: glass@bungi.com > > > Subject: Dichroic Glass > > > > > > HI, > > > Just a question. Do any of you hot glass people make Dichroic = glass > > > rings? It just occurred to me, that I have never seen one. If = you > > > don't, why not? I would buy one. > > > My only thought to not making them, is cause one size does not = fit all > > > and that makes for inventory nightmares. > > > Shirley B > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >=20 > --=20 > x=9F>"3=16=01=06=90=08 >=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 12:38:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:11:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Elizabeth Arakelian" , , Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti/deed restrictions Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:03:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.11338.0> References: <<1999Jul23.25737.0>> Precedence: bulk I would not want to live in a restricted neighborhood. Period. But... having said that, there are people lined up to purchase their dream home in such neighborhoods. I live very close to one such community, and I just shake my head in amazement every time I ride by and see the taupe, beige, and pale pink stucco homes. I would rather live in a box on Main Street than plant my creative self into such boredom! The bottom line is, if it's not for you, don't move there, but trust that it IS for some people. For those who like that kind of living, they wouldn't understand people who think it's narrow-minded or unfair to impose such restrictions. And they also would not want those of us who disagree to move in, and then try to change what is very acceptable to them. It's like I tell my children about private school rules. When I signed on the dotted line, I agreed that my boys would abide by their rules, whether those rules apply in MY home or not. They are expected to follow ALL the rules at school, not just the ones that they or I deem reasonable Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 12:49:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: 'Mary' , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: splinters Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:42:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.10422.0> Precedence: bulk Really never used colored polish only for the reason I use clear to coat mirror edges in the studio.. I just put a drop on the splinter itself, leave it dry and peal it off.. the glass sliver clings to the dry polish.. never tried it on wood splinter, but when I thought this cactus had no needles, needless to say it had plenty, this worked on them also.. > ---------- > From: Mary[SMTP:embee@mediaone.net] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:30 PM > To: Drag, Gloria J. > Subject: splinters > > Gloria.... > You alluded to nail polish and slivers. It thrilled me! I'm the Queen of > Splinters! > Do you apply a colored polish around the area where you think the splinter > entered, then dry, then peel?? > Please let me know, as I sit here with a splinter in my FOOT! > Thanks.. Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Drag, Gloria J. > To: ; 'Shirley Balloch' > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 12:22 PM > Subject: RE: Dichroic Glass > > > > Would you not be afraid of glass breaking around a finger.. With my > luck, > or > > lack of it, I would hit my hand on the counter and the ring would > shatter > > and have slivers of glass in my finger.. Bad enough when I brush my lab > coat > > that I wear when I cut glass and I am looking for the nail polish to > pull > > that splinter out that I could not see. > > I am still worried about marketing candle shelters, what if they leave > the > > candle unattended.. > > Gloria > > > ---------- > > > From: Shirley Balloch[SMTP:balloch@netbridge.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 7:48 PM > > > To: glass@bungi.com > > > Subject: Dichroic Glass > > > > > > HI, > > > Just a question. Do any of you hot glass people make Dichroic glass > > > rings? It just occurred to me, that I have never seen one. If you > > > don't, why not? I would buy one. > > > My only thought to not making them, is cause one size does not fit all > > > and that makes for inventory nightmares. > > > Shirley B > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 13:39:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.31051.0> References: <<1999Jul18.72827.0>> Precedence: bulk Oops - my English teacher would have given me an "F" for spelling on that one. It should have been "plain glass" not "plane glass". Usually glass flying around is NOT a good thing, even if it has wings. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim & Adriana Atwood To: Christie A. Wood ; Bungi Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Sidelights to Foil or lead? > ... the plane glass. ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 13:49:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!blakey From: "Blake" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:44:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.94421.0> Precedence: bulk I live in a Historic district.... so you think you guys have it bad!!! I had to have our color scheme approved, and had to get permission to put up a fence, and get the fence design approved.... you name it!!! Sure I'd like to get rid of the 100 year old magnolia tree that completely smothers the 110 year old house. The historic district has deemed it a bad move. But I'm darned grateful for it. I've paid alot of money to restore my house. I do not want to have to look at rusted out washing machines in the front yard of my neighbor, or broken down cars all over their yard. Unlike your parents, I welcome any and all races of neighbors.... but I would hate to see trashy people destroy my property value, or drive me away with rusted appliances and trashy yards, loose dogs, or low rent boarding-by-the-room! For the most part, the things that I have had to not do, or do without, have been a small sacrifice for the peace of mind I get from living in an area that is nice enough, and getting better. (many more trashed out old houses are being restored) MY TAKE ON THE MATTER.... if you have your own piece of land, out in the country, etc.... then paint it as purple as you can get it. But if you are in a planned community, in the city, with neighbors smack up against the side of you... then choose to work WITH the neighborhood planning committee, to come up with something that will make *everybody * happy. *deflating my portable soapbox* Blake :-) -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com ; ktsplash Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti >ktsplash wrote: >> >> > Right on girl! >> > I guess certain colors could be *plain distasteful* to our eyes, but what >> > business is it of ours?... >> >> It certainly becomes your business when your, neighbouring home, loses $ >> value because of the view! or the neighbourhood, which is what happened in >> our previous home. >> >> Katie >> >> ---- >> of course thats EXACTLY what my parents said when a black family moved into our neighborhood. Property values are not the be all and end all of everything and sometimes it gets pretty ridiculous. I can see bylaws about keeping your grass cut, not having rusted vehicles out front, stuff that just reflects chaos...but COME ON...some of these bylaws get into it not being OK if you want to paint your house any but a small approved list of very conservative colors..>I am not talking purple houses here...just if you want a shade brighter than is "approved" or you want a screen door you cant have one unless its this retractable thing that in unnoticable except when you pull the screen accross. We are not talking a license to live in a pigsty but just this very narrow cookie cutter that says you must conform or we will boot you. My old neighborhood would not allow above ground pools...even very nice ones..because "its tacky"...my mother lived in a neighborhood where you cant have ! >fencing in front because, yup, its TACKY. Our old neighborhood specified the exact percent of your yard must be ground cover and not just plain old lawn. If you, say, wanted to make a nice Japanese rock garden, something very classy, but just different from everyone elses that was not OK.....it gets ridiculous in the extreme. Bylaws I am sure started to prevent things like unmowed lawns, homes falling into such disrepair that it DOES make the whole neighborhood look bad, rusty vehicles out front or stuff that just gets too bizarre and what has happened is that it has degenerated into a cookie cutter sameness and nitpickiness. There is, as in most things I guess, a balance between rigidity and a lack of any regulation whatsoever. Its like when I used to show horses they had these nitpicky dress codes down to the color gloves you could wear. 99% of people would know what to wear and be just fine without any regulation. But there is always that minority that without any guidance ! >would show up like they just scrubbed their stalls down. The tiny minority without any sense of appropriateness spoils it for the majority that would like a little wiggle room for individuality. > >Liz >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 14:39:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!blakey From: "Blake" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG-grafitti - oops! Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.1149.0> Precedence: bulk Ok, ok...... I just read my email that showed up on the bungi list. One of these days I'm gonna have to learn to write!!! It appears that I committed a bit of a faux pas... I don't have a whole historic district!~ (musta been dreamin'!) I meant to type I have a HOUSE *in* a historic district. *sheepish grin*! Blake :-)( ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 19 20:19:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with door (more) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.164649.0> Precedence: bulk Where would I find a dampening hinge?? I've looked at Home Depot etc but all I've been able to find is the old door closer like they use in schools etc... Byron.. -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 9:20 AM Subject: Help with door (more) >Thanks to everyone who sent me replies about the >door problem. I did discuss the option of sandwitching >the stained glass between 2 plates of tempered glass. >The client is not keen on that. So...that's what got me >thinking about the double rebar solution. > >Also, I did discuss with him using a dampening hinge >to slow down & control slamming/closing the door. >He's going to install one no matter what. > >Thanks to all the replies. > >Christie Wood >Art Glass Ensembles >http://www.igga.org/wood/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 03:49:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:56:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'CncptThnkr@aol.com'" , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: candle shelter attendants Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:50:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.15034.0> Precedence: bulk I am doing 3 inch cylinders, (placing the glass around a 3 inch cylinder, 6 inches high, ) the fist one is dogwoods. Pink dogwood, a yellow glob for the center, Wismach green for leaves and Wismach blue granite/crystal /clear for the background.. I want to incorporate aromatherapy oils with it.. So the candle will be on the bottom and a cup for oil and water will be supported on the top.. The next one, I want to make it as an angel.. Thinking both the candle, angel and oils would make a nice Christmas/all year round, room addition.. have the dogwood cut, but still have to foil and solder.. Thanks for asking.. Gloria > ---------- > From: CncptThnkr@aol.com[SMTP:CncptThnkr@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 5:13 PM > To: Drag, Gloria J. > Subject: candle shelter attendants > > In a message dated 7/19/99 1:19:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > draggj@westinghouse.com writes: > > > I am still worried about marketing candle shelters, what if they leave > the > > candle unattended.. > > Hey Gloria, > > I missed it, what kind of candle shelters are you making and who are you > worried about leaving them unattended??? Can't you just make those same > little warning tags the stores use "do not leave burning candle > unattended"? > > IA > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 05:49:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Door panel opinions sought Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:15:01 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul20.12151.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/19/99 12:48:48 PM, cpesonen@uniserve.com writes: >If the abuse isn't corrected. Is there any quarrante against cracking..totally? >Not having done a front entery door yet, I'd like to know also. >I've seen them on TV and they all seem to be reinforced with rebar (bevel >clusters). About a month or so ago I helped Lenore out on a beveled-glass door repair job. The door was oak framed and so heavy that the two of us plus the building manager could barely horse it off its hinges and lift it onto the workbench. I'm guessing somewhere between 175 and 200 lbs. (What a door like that was doing on an apartment, I'll never know.) The corners of some of the bevels had broken into little tiny pieces (all still in place, fortunately) on the side away from the hinges - I suspect due to that massive door slamming a few times. (We weren't asked to replace the bevels, just a couple of pieces of the surrounding glass that had also cracked.) The reinforcement on this monster was a kind I hadn't seen before - thin steel bars, about 1/4" wide and 1/16" thick, bent along the lead lines, soldered edge-on to the lead lines at the joints and about every 4 to 6" between the joints, and running into the door frame at each end. Looked wonderful, but it sure made "opening up the lead to get the broken glass out and the new glass in" a flaming pain, since the broken pieces were right next to the rebars! When we got the job done, the building manager remarked that if he'd had any sense he'd have wrapped it up and put it in storage instead of rehanging it, and replaced it with a regular door. Too late though - it was back up and besides, the new tenant had fallen in love with it! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 07:01:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: lakefield.net!dharms From: "Donna Harms" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:41:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.34123.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BED28B.A5C39CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi-No messages since yesterday. Is something wrong here or there? Donna Harms ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BED28B.A5C39CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BED28B.A5C39CE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 07:30:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Flux on Tools Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.53812.0> Precedence: bulk I am sending this to two lists, so forgive the repeat, please. I use needlenose pliers to hold wire and hangers when fluxing and applying to panel. They are all corroded from the flux. Is there anything I can apply to them to keep this from happening? I try to watch carefully and wipe flux from them, but apparently some is getting through. Any help is appreciated. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 07:35:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:57:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG nuisance ordinances, was Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:55:52 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul20.135552.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/19/99 1:10:30 PM, ktsplash@mpx.com.au writes: >ah, I know what you mean! we just got a letter from our local council, >telling us that if we have a dog on the premises, we *must* install a fence >at least 2 metres high around the whole property, by June next year. Never >mind if your dog is a chihuahua or a corgi - 2 metres for all! My favorite "nuisance ordinance" story came out of the Levittowns - monster subdivisions incorporated as towns (boros actually), built by one builder (by the name of Levitt, what a coincidence! the man had no ego at all ) in the early 50s. The original ticky-tacky towns. 5000 houses at a pop, in your choice of 3 modern designs. One of these burgs is northeast of Philly (my ex grew up there), and I think another one is somewhere in New Jersey (somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember it had the sense to change its name and it's now Willingboro). Anyhoo, in the early days there was a strict no-fence ordinance - the whole idea was to have acres and acres of unbroken lawn and a parklike appearance. Well, of course families with small children moved in because the houses were dirt-cheap (in addition to having some really nice features like "hinged" roofs that could be raised easily to create a whole second floor - my ex says that in the early days they used to have "roof-raisings" where half the neighborhood would come over, build a back wall flat in the attic, hoist the back half of the roof, raise the back wall into place, and finish framing things in a day; they did that to his house when he was a kid), and how do you enforce the "stay in the yard" rule without a fence (aside from keeping the kid on a leash or riding herd on 'em every second)? But the town authorities still said no fences, and would slap you with a stiff fine if you put one up (and make you take it down, of course). Then came the swimming pools...... Also on the books was a law saying that any swimming pool had to be surrounded by a fence, for obvious safety reasons. So pool owners started putting up fences, getting hassled by the powers-that-be for it, and getting away with it. My ex says he thinks a few people put up pools just so they could have fences. Finally there were so many pools and fences sprouting up that the town authorities just said to heck with it. Nowadays there's hardly a yard in Levittown that *doesn't* have a fence. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 08:07:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Getting out splinters, was RE: Dichroic Glass Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:55:50 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul20.135550.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/19/99 1:19:45 PM, draggj@westinghouse.com writes: >Bad enough when I brush my lab coat >that I wear when I cut glass and I am looking for the nail polish to pull >that splinter out that I could not see. Nail polish? Never heard of that trick! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 08:19:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Fw: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:26:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul19.23266.0> Precedence: bulk From: Bud Britt To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 12:12 PM Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me. Not able to keep up with email at this point, to much other stuff going on. And do not want to have to deal with ISP lock out due to post office exceeding limit. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 08:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Mary' , Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Flux on Tools Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.63032.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BED2BC.6C294562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Instead of using needle nose pliers try surgical steel hemostats. Been using the same 3 pairs for more than 10 years and have had no corrosion problem. Hemostats will also lock so that you don't need to hold them shut. I've seen them for sale in hobby shops/catalogs, with fishing supplies and flea markets. They run from $3.00 on up. Vic M. Vmodianoactronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Mary [mailto:embee@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 9:38 AM To: Bungi Subject: Flux on Tools I am sending this to two lists, so forgive the repeat, please. I use needlenose pliers to hold wire and hangers when fluxing and applying to panel. They are all corroded from the flux. Is there anything I can apply to them to keep this from happening? I try to watch carefully and wipe flux from them, but apparently some is getting through. Any help is appreciated. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BED2BC.6C294562 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Flux on Tools

Instead of using needle nose pliers = try surgical steel hemostats.
Been using the same 3 pairs for more = than 10 years and have had no corrosion problem.
Hemostats will also lock so that you = don't need to hold them shut.

I've seen them for sale in hobby = shops/catalogs, with fishing supplies and flea markets.
They run from $3.00 on up.

Vic M.
Vmodianoactronsoft.com 

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Mary [mailto:embee@mediaone.net]=
      Sent:   Tuesday, July 20, 1999 9:38 AM
      To:     Bungi
      Subject:       = Flux on Tools

      I am sending this to two lists, so = forgive the repeat, please.
      I use needlenose pliers to hold wire = and hangers when fluxing and applying
      to panel. They are all corroded from = the flux. Is there anything I can apply
      to them to keep this from happening? = I try to watch carefully and wipe flux
      from them, but apparently some is = getting through. Any help is appreciated.
      Mary


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------_=_NextPart_001_01BED2BC.6C294562-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 08:50:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux on Tools Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.5634.0> References: <<007001bed2b5$209fa700$94358118@computer>> Precedence: bulk Mary, I clean and preserve mine by using 3 in one oil on mine. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 09:24:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:00:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990720120009.00970a00@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk >I sometimes wonder if it isn't like raising chickens...if they are kept too >close to each other they all start peckin' on each other. I just remembered a house I saw in a little mountain town in Pa when I was a child...plenty of room to spread out and no one too close but the story was the owner was P.O.'d with his neighbors so he painted polka dots all over his 3 story house...big pink and purple and yellow, perfectly round, spots! He must have been really mad to go to all that work. Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 10:06:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Mary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux on Tools Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.81819.0> References: <<1999Jul20.53812.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Mary wrote: > > I am sending this to two lists, so forgive the repeat, please. > I use needlenose pliers to hold wire and hangers when fluxing and applying > to panel. They are all corroded from the flux. Is there anything I can apply > to them to keep this from happening? I try to watch carefully and wipe flux > from them, but apparently some is getting through. Any help is appreciated. > Mary > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass once it's cleaned off, i ususally spray it with clear laquer. this does'nt last forever, but it does make cleaning them off easier. when i'm done soldering i'll use denatured alchohol to clean the flux off. a better choice is a hemostat if your just holding wire in place. they don't rust. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 10:25:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Blake Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:01:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.2142.0> References: <<1999Jul19.94421.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Blake wrote: > > I live in a Historic district.... so you think you guys have it bad!!! I > had to have our color scheme approved, and had to get permission to put up a > fence, and get the fence design approved.... you name it!!! Sure I'd like > to get rid of the 100 year old magnolia tree that completely smothers the > 110 year old house. The historic district has deemed it a bad move. > > But I'm darned grateful for it. > I've paid alot of money to restore my house. I do not want to have to look > at rusted out washing machines in the front yard of my neighbor, or broken > down cars all over their yard. > > Unlike your parents, I welcome any and all races of neighbors.... but I > would hate to see trashy people destroy my property value, or drive me away > with rusted appliances and trashy yards, loose dogs, or low rent > boarding-by-the-room! > > For the most part, the things that I have had to not do, or do without, have > been a small sacrifice for the peace of mind I get from living in an area > that is nice enough, and getting better. (many more trashed out old houses > are being restored) > > MY TAKE ON THE MATTER.... if you have your own piece of land, out in the > country, etc.... then paint it as purple as you can get it. > But if you are in a planned community, in the city, with neighbors smack up > against the side of you... then choose to work WITH the neighborhood > planning committee, to come up with something that will make *everybody * > happy. > > *deflating my portable soapbox* > Blake > :-) > > you have a point there Blake..>I dont want the city dump or the residential equivelent thereof next to me either. It just ssems that things get sillier by the minute in the name of avoiding that. I know exactly what the deal is with historic homes because we nearly bought one in Hingham MA circa aroound 1700 until we found out what was involved and decided it wasnt for us. I dont knock it because I think it is wonderful to preserve old buildings...but to me thats not the same as telling someone they cant put a screen door in their brand new front porch because its deemed "tacky". Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 10:35:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Mary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti/deed restrictions Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:57:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.15725.0> References: <<002901bed219$69d5fec0$2d358118@computer>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Mary wrote: > > I would not want to live in a restricted neighborhood. Period. But... having > said that, there are people lined up to purchase their dream home in such > neighborhoods. I live very close to one such community, and I just shake my > head in amazement every time I ride by and see the taupe, beige, and pale > pink stucco homes. I would rather live in a box on Main Street than plant my > creative self into such boredom! > The bottom line is, if it's not for you, don't move there, but trust that it > IS for some people. For those who like that kind of living, they wouldn't > understand people who think it's narrow-minded or unfair to impose such > restrictions. And they also would not want those of us who disagree to move > in, and then try to change what is very acceptable to them. > It's like I tell my children about private school rules. When I signed on > the dotted line, I agreed that my boys would abide by their rules, whether > those rules apply in MY home or not. They are expected to follow ALL the > rules at school, not just the ones that they or I deem reasonable > Mary I think that sounds like a pretty good way of looking at things. There "are" those people who dont mind at all being given a list of four acceptable colors to paint their houses, being told that there are two acceptable roofing materials, that all your windows must have a certain kind of grid, etc etc but I sure aint one of 'em. Somehow it bugs me more in these communities than is, say resort towns where people are told their homes must have a certain "look" to preserve the flavor of the town or historical homes that have to be preserved in the original state...I guess I see the reasoning more with those and it doesnt bug me but these subdivisions that just get so darn nitpicky...well...I guess thats why we dont live there anymore.....and honestly I have never heard of anyone moving into one of htese places and wanting to do something truly "original" and having problems. I have heard about the aforementioned silly stuff though...things a homeowner thought perfectly reasonable until they found out that it was a no no (in our case it was the above ground pool that drove us out...apparently they allowed one of them because the guy was the mayor and then he and the homeowners assoc got so much hate mail they swore they would never do THAT again). People who want to fill their yard with pink flamingos, paint their house purple or whatever know better than to come to these places and usually wind up on some road that is not part of any development....no problem for anyone. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 10:53:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:23:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.62348.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BED2A2.564BDDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We are the new people on the block, we woud like to introduce our = self, Arkie & Mary Pisello. We have been married for 38 Years, we have = two grown children, 37 & 35 yrs. old. We have been working with stained = glass since 1977, we are self taught. We always work on all our stained = glass projects togeather. Our interest are stained glass & Antiques, we = collect Greentown Glass made from 1894 - 1903, we also like going to = Auctions, we live in Indiana. I have a little story to tell you. In = the winter of 1997 our stained glass world almost came to an end, the = day before New Years, I was out using the snow blower & I got a STUPID = ATTACK & I attempted to grab a twig, sticking out of the auger, & as I = grabbed the twig, it grabbed my glove & pulled my hand in, & in a split = second it was over, it took off two fingers, & I though my stained glass = day's were over forever. When I got to the hospital to the emergency = room, I asked the surgeon if there was anything he could do to save my = fingers, because I make stained glass, & he said, OH, you make stained = glass? Then he stated he was building a new house & might want a window = made. WELL I'll tell you, he should have never said that, because that = gave my wife Mary, an excuse to rip out her little album, she carries in = her purse, & the Doctor & her started l@@king at the photograph's. Here = I am laying on the table with two fingers off & they are l@@king at the = stained glass album. To make a long story short. I lost half=20 of my ring finger & they put my index finger back on. The good news = is my fingers are just fine now & I can work with stained glass again, & = my wife Mary, got a windoworder from the Doctor. Well I guess that is = enough about us for now. All of you, have a good day, & nice talking to = you.=20 Arkie & Mary Pisello Sr. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BED2A2.564BDDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, We are the new people on the = block, we woud=20 like to introduce our self, Arkie & Mary Pisello.  We have been = married=20 for 38 Years, we have two grown children, 37 & 35 yrs. old.  We = have=20 been working with stained glass since 1977, we are self taught.  We = always=20 work on all our stained glass projects togeather.  Our interest are = stained=20 glass & Antiques, we collect Greentown Glass made from 1894 - 1903, = we also=20 like going to Auctions, we live in Indiana.  I have a little story = to tell=20 you.  In the winter of 1997 our stained glass world almost came to = an end,=20 the day before New Years, I was out using the snow blower & I got a = STUPID=20 ATTACK & I attempted to grab a twig, sticking out of the auger, = & as I=20 grabbed the twig, it grabbed my glove & pulled my hand in, & in = a split=20 second it was over, it took off two fingers, & I though my stained = glass=20 day's were over forever.  When I got to the hospital to the = emergency room,=20 I asked the surgeon if there was anything he could do to save my = fingers,=20 because I make stained glass, & he said, OH, you make stained = glass? =20 Then he stated he was building a new house & might want a window = made. WELL=20 I'll tell you, he should have never said that, because that gave my wife = Mary,=20 an excuse to rip out her little album, she carries in her purse, & = the=20 Doctor & her started l@@king at the photograph's.  Here I am = laying on=20 the table with two fingers off & they are l@@king at the stained = glass=20 album.  To make a long story short.  I lost half
of my ring finger & they put my = index =20 finger back on.   The good news is my fingers are just fine = now &=20 I can work with stained glass again, & my wife Mary, got a = windoworder from=20 the Doctor.  Well I guess that is enough about us for now.  = All of=20 you, have a good day, & nice talking to you. 
Arkie  &   = Mary  Pisello=20 Sr.
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BED2A2.564BDDA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 10:58:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: Bungi , 'Mary' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Flux on Tools Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.71336.0> Precedence: bulk I use WD-40 on my pliers. Sometimes they are so stiff that I will fill a small plastic container (35mm film canister) with WD-40 and leave the pliers soak for a couple of days.. This frees them of that freeze and stiffness.. I than put the cap on the canister and save the WD-40 for the next use.. Also use this for frozen tips on soldering iron. Occasionally I just spray the tools with WD-40 and wipe them off before putting them away, Gloria > ---------- > From: Mary[SMTP:embee@mediaone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 9:38 AM > To: Bungi > Subject: Flux on Tools > > I am sending this to two lists, so forgive the repeat, please. > I use needlenose pliers to hold wire and hangers when fluxing and applying > to panel. They are all corroded from the flux. Is there anything I can > apply > to them to keep this from happening? I try to watch carefully and wipe > flux > from them, but apparently some is getting through. Any help is > appreciated. > Mary > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 10:58:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flux on Tools Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:36:05 -0700 Message-ID: <199907201536.IAA02518@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >I am sending this to two lists, so forgive the repeat, please. >I use needlenose pliers to hold wire and hangers when fluxing and applying >to panel. They are all corroded from the flux. Is there anything I can apply >to them to keep this from happening? I try to watch carefully and wipe flux >from them, but apparently some is getting through. Any help is appreciated. >Mary Mary...care for your pliers as you would for any fine tool. Got flux on them? Wash them in hot soapy water to remove flux, pat dry where you can and spray them with WD-40. Guaranteed they won't rust or corrode! C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 11:16:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: twistedhumor.com!questions From: questions@twistedhumor.com To: Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Somebody sent you a 'twisted Humor Joke' Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199907201611.JAA17387@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> Precedence: bulk

TwistedHumor.com Joke of the day July 20, 1999

Viagra Date

A guy walks into a pharmacy and says to the pharmacist, "Listen, I have three girls coming over tonight. I've never had three girls at once. I need something to keep me horny.. keep me potent."

The pharmacist reaches under the counter, unlocks the bottom drawer and takes out a small cardboard box marked with a label "Viagra Extra Strength" and says, "Here, if you eat this, you'll go nuts for twelve hours."

The guy says, "Gimme three boxes."

The next day the guy walks into the same pharmacy, limps up to the pharmacist and pulls down his pants. The pharmacist looks in horror as he notices the man's penis is black and blue, and skin is hanging off in some places.

In a pained voice, the man moans out, "Gimme a bottle of Deep Heat."

The pharmacist replies in horror, "You can't put Deep Heat on that!"

The man replies, "No, it's for my arms, the girls didn't show up."

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A hip young man bought a 1999 Ferrari GTO. It's the fastest and most expensive car in the world, and it costs him $500,000. He takes it out for a spin and stops for a red light. An old man on a moped pulls up next to him. The old man looks over at the sleek, shiny car and asks, "What kind of car ya' got there, sonny?" The young man replies, "A 1999 Ferrari GTO. It cost half a million dollars!" "That's a lot of money, "says the old man. "Why does it cost so much?" "Because this car can do 320 miles an hour" states the young man proudly. The old man asks, "Mind if I take a look inside?" "No problem," replies the owner. So the old man pokes his head in the window and looks around. Then sitting back on his moped, the old man says, "That's a pretty nice car, all right!" Just then the light changes and the guy decides to show the old man just what his car can do. He floors it, and within 30 seconds the speedometer reads 160 mph. Suddenly, he notices a dot in his rear view mirror. It seems to be getting closer! He slows down just slightly to see what it could be and within half a second, whhhoooossshhh! it whips by him, going much, much faster! "What on earth could be going faster than my Ferrari," the young man asks himself in shock. Then, ahead of him, he sees a dot coming toward him at an ungodly amount of speed! Whoooooosh! It goes by again, heading the opposite direction and it looked like the old man on the moped! "Couldn't be," thinks the guy. "How could a moped outrun a Ferrari?" But again, he sees a dot in his rear view mirror! Whooooosh, Ka-BbblaMMM! It plows into the back of his car, demolishing the rear end. The young man jumps out, and it IS the old man! He runs up to the mangled old man and says, "Oh my goodness! Is there anything I can do for you?" The old man whispers with his dying breath, "Unhook...my suspenders from your side-view mirror..." -----------------------------------------------------

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http://www.twistedhumor.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 11:19:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: twistedhumor.com!questions From: questions@twistedhumor.com To: Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Somebody sent you a 'twisted Humor Joke' Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199907201611.JAA17397@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> Precedence: bulk

TwistedHumor.com Joke of the day July 20, 1999

Viagra Date

A guy walks into a pharmacy and says to the pharmacist, "Listen, I have three girls coming over tonight. I've never had three girls at once. I need something to keep me horny.. keep me potent."

The pharmacist reaches under the counter, unlocks the bottom drawer and takes out a small cardboard box marked with a label "Viagra Extra Strength" and says, "Here, if you eat this, you'll go nuts for twelve hours."

The guy says, "Gimme three boxes."

The next day the guy walks into the same pharmacy, limps up to the pharmacist and pulls down his pants. The pharmacist looks in horror as he notices the man's penis is black and blue, and skin is hanging off in some places.

In a pained voice, the man moans out, "Gimme a bottle of Deep Heat."

The pharmacist replies in horror, "You can't put Deep Heat on that!"

The man replies, "No, it's for my arms, the girls didn't show up."

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Funny Image of the day: (Rated R) "Oh No!" Click the link to view image.

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A hip young man bought a 1999 Ferrari GTO. It's the fastest and most expensive car in the world, and it costs him $500,000. He takes it out for a spin and stops for a red light. An old man on a moped pulls up next to him. The old man looks over at the sleek, shiny car and asks, "What kind of car ya' got there, sonny?" The young man replies, "A 1999 Ferrari GTO. It cost half a million dollars!" "That's a lot of money, "says the old man. "Why does it cost so much?" "Because this car can do 320 miles an hour" states the young man proudly. The old man asks, "Mind if I take a look inside?" "No problem," replies the owner. So the old man pokes his head in the window and looks around. Then sitting back on his moped, the old man says, "That's a pretty nice car, all right!" Just then the light changes and the guy decides to show the old man just what his car can do. He floors it, and within 30 seconds the speedometer reads 160 mph. Suddenly, he notices a dot in his rear view mirror. It seems to be getting closer! He slows down just slightly to see what it could be and within half a second, whhhoooossshhh! it whips by him, going much, much faster! "What on earth could be going faster than my Ferrari," the young man asks himself in shock. Then, ahead of him, he sees a dot coming toward him at an ungodly amount of speed! Whoooooosh! It goes by again, heading the opposite direction and it looked like the old man on the moped! "Couldn't be," thinks the guy. "How could a moped outrun a Ferrari?" But again, he sees a dot in his rear view mirror! Whooooosh, Ka-BbblaMMM! It plows into the back of his car, demolishing the rear end. The young man jumps out, and it IS the old man! He runs up to the mangled old man and says, "Oh my goodness! Is there anything I can do for you?" The old man whispers with his dying breath, "Unhook...my suspenders from your side-view mirror..." -----------------------------------------------------

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http://www.twistedhumor.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 11:23:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:13:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: twistedhumor.com!questions From: questions@twistedhumor.com To: Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Somebody sent you a 'twisted Humor Joke' Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199907201611.JAA17394@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> Precedence: bulk

TwistedHumor.com Joke of the day July 20, 1999

Viagra Date

A guy walks into a pharmacy and says to the pharmacist, "Listen, I have three girls coming over tonight. I've never had three girls at once. I need something to keep me horny.. keep me potent."

The pharmacist reaches under the counter, unlocks the bottom drawer and takes out a small cardboard box marked with a label "Viagra Extra Strength" and says, "Here, if you eat this, you'll go nuts for twelve hours."

The guy says, "Gimme three boxes."

The next day the guy walks into the same pharmacy, limps up to the pharmacist and pulls down his pants. The pharmacist looks in horror as he notices the man's penis is black and blue, and skin is hanging off in some places.

In a pained voice, the man moans out, "Gimme a bottle of Deep Heat."

The pharmacist replies in horror, "You can't put Deep Heat on that!"

The man replies, "No, it's for my arms, the girls didn't show up."

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Funny Image of the day: (Rated R) "Oh No!" Click the link to view image.

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A hip young man bought a 1999 Ferrari GTO. It's the fastest and most expensive car in the world, and it costs him $500,000. He takes it out for a spin and stops for a red light. An old man on a moped pulls up next to him. The old man looks over at the sleek, shiny car and asks, "What kind of car ya' got there, sonny?" The young man replies, "A 1999 Ferrari GTO. It cost half a million dollars!" "That's a lot of money, "says the old man. "Why does it cost so much?" "Because this car can do 320 miles an hour" states the young man proudly. The old man asks, "Mind if I take a look inside?" "No problem," replies the owner. So the old man pokes his head in the window and looks around. Then sitting back on his moped, the old man says, "That's a pretty nice car, all right!" Just then the light changes and the guy decides to show the old man just what his car can do. He floors it, and within 30 seconds the speedometer reads 160 mph. Suddenly, he notices a dot in his rear view mirror. It seems to be getting closer! He slows down just slightly to see what it could be and within half a second, whhhoooossshhh! it whips by him, going much, much faster! "What on earth could be going faster than my Ferrari," the young man asks himself in shock. Then, ahead of him, he sees a dot coming toward him at an ungodly amount of speed! Whoooooosh! It goes by again, heading the opposite direction and it looked like the old man on the moped! "Couldn't be," thinks the guy. "How could a moped outrun a Ferrari?" But again, he sees a dot in his rear view mirror! Whooooosh, Ka-BbblaMMM! It plows into the back of his car, demolishing the rear end. The young man jumps out, and it IS the old man! He runs up to the mangled old man and says, "Oh my goodness! Is there anything I can do for you?" The old man whispers with his dying breath, "Unhook...my suspenders from your side-view mirror..." -----------------------------------------------------

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http://www.twistedhumor.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 12:04:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: Order info for 3D lamp book Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:05:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.6523.0> Precedence: bulk Here is the order info I have for the 3-D lamp book: -----Original Message----- From: Stained Glass Lamps To: Shari Higbee Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: Re: 3-D lamp book >*************************************************************************** * >* >Hi Shari, > >Thank you for purching my book, you are my FIRST customer, Please send a >money order for 19.95 plus 3.00 for shipping & handling. I know you can do >it too! Good Luck!! > >Please mail to: >Arkie Pisello Sr. >2425 Monroe Street >LaPorte, Indiana 46350 > >Thanks Again, Shari >www.stainedglasslamps.com Web Site >Arkie Pisello Sr. >*************************************************************************** * ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 13:01:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Flux on Tools Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:54:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199907201901.TAA04192@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, It's quite a performance to hold wire and hangers with pliers (trying not to twitch 'n tremble and all that...). What I tend to do, is to have small pieces of scrap glass piled up by the edge of where the wire/hanger is to be soldered, lay the wire on them, tucking it into the work where I want it and then just drop-solder it into place initially. Once it's actually in place, I can then work on "cosmetics" and strength of the attachment. I do the same in class when my students are constructing their first free-hanging LEADED panels. It works a treat any time and doesn't rust your tools. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Mary wrote: > I am sending this to two lists, so forgive the repeat, please. > I use needlenose pliers to hold wire and hangers when fluxing and applying > to panel. They are all corroded from the flux. Is there anything I can apply > to them to keep this from happening? I try to watch carefully and wipe flux > from them, but apparently some is getting through. Any help is appreciated. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 17:15:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Byron Wells" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with door (more) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:04:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.9446.0> References: <<1999Jul19.164649.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk The two places I have bought them are both local to the Vancouver, BC area. Best ones were from Payne Hardware, but it burnt down last year. Most recently I got one from Cantu Hardware which specializes in European hardware, but it was more that twice the price. I don't know if they ship. When I get the time, I will look through some of my hardware catalogues. I probably need to find a cheaper source than Cantu anyway. I believe the dampening hinges I have found have always been European made. I would suggest looking under hardware in the yellow pages and trying for places that specialize in European or specialty door hardware. Just now looking in the Vancouver yellow pages I see two which I will have to try to see if they have a better price than Cantu. "Bossi" which advertises European Hinges and architectural door hardware, and "Shanahans" which is a specialty distributor of architectural door hardware and specifically lists specialty door closures. Just a quick expansion on the types I have worked with. I have dealt with dampening hinges both with and without automatic closers. The automatic closing kind have a much bigger cylinder because they have to include a spring to close the door. I prefer the ones without because they are a bit less bulky looking and my personal preference is I like doors to stay were I put them (not close themselves). The ones I have used are filled with oil and have a cam arrangement such that a piston pushes the oil through a small hole as the hinge swings. They essentially work just like the shock absorbers on your car. Just like shock absorbers the faster you try to move them, the more they resist. The best ones have a multiple hole arrangement such that they resist more at the end of the door swing rather than the beginning (in other words more resistance on a closing door just before it closes and on an opening door just before it slams into the wall). Again similar to a really good car shock absorber which resists movement more at the ends than in the middle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Byron Wells To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Help with door (more) > Where would I find a dampening hinge?? I've looked at Home Depot etc but > all I've been able to find is the old door closer like they use in schools > etc... > > Byron.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 17:47:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: European Hardware Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:20:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.92021.0> Precedence: bulk Which brings up an interesting point for discussion. Why is intelligent hardware only European made? When I was in Holland last year I could walk into the local small town hardware store and get better hardware than I can at a North American Super store such as Home Depot. The hardware is better designed, better built, everything. (The Canadian customs agent was VERY amused when I declared an entire suitcase full of hardware). (And yes, this IS glass related. I absolutely refuse to install a quality stained glass door or window using the crap hardware commonly available). "I would not, could not, kill the King! I would not poison anything!" Green Eggs and Hamlet Tim Atwood - Glass and Wood - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Atwood To: Byron Wells ; Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Help with door (more) ... snip > I believe the dampening hinges I have found have always been European made. ...snip ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 18:19:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Flux on Tools/ New Tip Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:57:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.15571.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Many thanks to all of you for your solution to the problem I had with my tools. I am going to purchase hemostats for future usage, as well as clean the ones I have and apply 3-In-One Oil. I especially appreciate the tip on using scrap glass to bolster the wire for spot soldering. I will try that. New Tip: When applying hangers, etc, (after spot soldering) I use those very heavy bench clamps to hold the panel upright. I apply them at the bottom of the panel on both sides at an angle, so that they keep the panel completely straight. This keeps my hands free to hold the solder in one hand and iron in the other. Does that make sense?? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Drag, Gloria J. To: Bungi ; 'Mary' Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Flux on Tools > I use WD-40 on my pliers. Sometimes they are so stiff that I will fill a > small plastic container (35mm film canister) with WD-40 and leave the pliers > soak for a couple of days.. This frees them of that freeze and stiffness.. > I than put the cap on the canister and save the WD-40 for the next use.. > Also use this for frozen tips on soldering iron. Occasionally I just spray > the tools with WD-40 and wipe them off before putting them away, > Gloria > > ---------- > > From: Mary[SMTP:embee@mediaone.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 9:38 AM > > To: Bungi > > Subject: Flux on Tools > > > > I am sending this to two lists, so forgive the repeat, please. > > I use needlenose pliers to hold wire and hangers when fluxing and applying > > to panel. They are all corroded from the flux. Is there anything I can > > apply > > to them to keep this from happening? I try to watch carefully and wipe > > flux > > from them, but apparently some is getting through. Any help is > > appreciated. > > Mary > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 20:20:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:11:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Help with my article: How do you work through creative blocks? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:08:54 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul21.2854.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! I am hoping that some of you will help me with an article I'm writing (I do freelance writing as well as glass). I am interested in finding out if you experience creative impasses or blocks (personally I have more than a few!), why you think they happen to you and how you get past them. I read the posts here almost every day or you can email your responses privately to me. Thanks for helping out! Gwyn Roland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 20:21:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Flux on Tools Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:12:01 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul21.2121.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/20/99 11:26:58 AM, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: >Instead of using needle nose pliers try surgical steel hemostats. [...] >I've seen them for sale in hobby shops/catalogs, with fishing supplies >and flea markets. Or if you're lucky, you have a friend who's a med/surg nurse in a hospital, and all those discarded unused hemostats/"Kelly clamps" and scissors just happen to follow her home. When my sister was in high school, her best friend's mom was a nurse in a hospital that used to throw out unused instruments from dressing packs, etc. She'd bring home scads of the scissors and pass them around to everyone she knew who did any knitting, embroidery, crochet, macrame', etc. I still have a couple of pair of them floating around among my craft stuff 25+ years later, and they're still sharp as ever! I didn't have a use for the Kelly clamps at the time, or I'd have a few of those too...... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 20:38:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hi Arkie! was Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:11:52 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul21.21152.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/20/99 1:54:21 PM, stainedglasslamps@csinet.net writes: >To make a long story short. I lost half >of my ring finger & they put my index finger back on. The good news >is my fingers are just fine now & I can work with stained glass again, >& my wife Mary, got a window order from the Doctor. Well, if that don't beat all! Welcome aboard! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 20:39:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with door (more) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:20:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.182020.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tim Atwood" > When I get the time, I will look through some of my hardware catalogues. = I probably need to find a cheaper source than Cantu anyway.< Seems like Lee Valley would have these in their woodworking catalogs.... and I *know they ship since I get something from them about every = week! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 21:01:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:22:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG-European Hardware Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:20:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.182023.0> Precedence: bulk European kitchen gadgetry is lots better, too. My friend just sent me = a Swiss spring-loaded over-the-top- of-the-pot colander so you can drain the vegetables without dumping half of them down the drain... fits about any size pan. Absolutely too clever - have never seen anything like that over here. You can even use it on glass pots had to get that glass reference in there! = Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 20 21:31:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: ng-grafitti -Dee & Bob D. Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:22:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul20.152247.0> Precedence: bulk If you had the neighbors like I have, there are days when I feel like painting something really vulgar, obscene, or down right tasteless on the back of my shop which faces their backyard. And then declaring it my personal artistic interpretation. But lucky for them, I cool down and forget it. And besides that I would have to learn how to paint?! Polka dots....mmm-maybe? Hey! speaking of Grafitti....where is Bob D. the grafitti erasure? Did he really take lessons on shutting his mouth? Is that why we havent' heard, the rest of the story?! Or is he still blasting after one week?! Or did he wreck that new mechanical toy that was providing a lift?! claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 05:27:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG-European Hardware Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:37:08 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul21.11378.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/21/99 12:02:58 AM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: >European kitchen gadgetry is lots >better, too. Wouldn't give 2 brass farthings for an English toilet, though. In the entire week I was over there, I think I got one to *really* flush on the first try exactly once....... and everywhere I went I saw evidence that other folks were having trouble with 'em too =8-O Is there some magic trick to it? Enquiring minds want to know! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 06:29:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: "'Witchdoc3@aol.com'" , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: NG-European Hardware Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:35:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.143513.0> Precedence: bulk Wouldn't give 2 brass farthings for an English toilet, though. In the entire week I was over there, I think I got one to *really* flush on the first try exactly once....... and everywhere I went I saw evidence that other folks were having trouble with 'em too =8-O Is there some magic trick to it? Enquiring minds want to know! Think it is due to strict english toilet regulations. Toilets have max of 6 litres of water very little compared to american toilets as told by friend here who has been a tourist over most of USA. To get best results you have to get used to smacking the handle down as fast as possible Grin Brandon (UK) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 06:58:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:39:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Mary' , Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Flux on Tools/ New Tip Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.4210.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BED373.7E6D61B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On smaller pieces I use spring clamps to hold them or hold them upright. The cheap ones from Odd Job (a chain liquidator) or other discount place work great since You don't need really strong springs. They are also goon for holding a lead casting as you solder glass to it. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Mary [mailto:embee@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:57 PM To: Bungi Subject: Re: Flux on Tools/ New Tip New Tip: When applying hangers, etc, (after spot soldering) I use those very heavy bench clamps to hold the panel upright. I apply them at the bottom of the panel on both sides at an angle, so that they keep the panel completely straight. This keeps my hands free to hold the solder in one hand and iron in the other. Does that make sense?? Mary ------_=_NextPart_001_01BED373.7E6D61B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Flux on Tools/ New Tip

On smaller pieces I use spring clamps = to hold them or hold them upright.
The cheap ones from Odd Job (a chain = liquidator) or other discount place work great since
You don't need really strong = springs.
They are also goon for holding a lead = casting as you solder glass to it. 

Vic M.
Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Mary [mailto:embee@mediaone.net]=
      Sent:   Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:57 PM
      To:     Bungi
      Subject:       = Re: Flux on Tools/ New Tip


      New Tip:
      When applying hangers, etc, (after = spot soldering) I use those very heavy
      bench clamps to hold the panel = upright. I apply them at the bottom of the
      panel on both sides at an angle, so = that they keep the panel completely
      straight. This keeps my hands free to = hold the solder in one hand and iron
      in the other. Does that make = sense??
      Mary

------_=_NextPart_001_01BED373.7E6D61B0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 07:31:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:12:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' , 'Tim & Adriana Atwood' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: European Hardware Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:53:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.45354.0> Precedence: bulk Tim Much as it pains me, you are correct. When I worked for an insurance company with Canadian offices we used to smuggle through inter-office mail. I'd send products you couldn't find in Canada and they'd do the same for me. It is amazing what went back and forth. As to the reason, part of the answer lies in how Home Depot does business. While not advertised Home Depot does sell manufacturers seconds, discontinued and lower quality products. This is one way they keep the price down. The seconds are usually functional but have small blemishes or irregularities. Sometimes they are not functional which is why Home Depot is so good about returning products. I found out about the policy when my bathroom was redone and more than half of what was delivered, including a bathtub that could not be made level, was returned or exchanged. The problem is that most Americans have no idea about the quality of most hardware/lumber/plumbing... Nor do they have any idea about the higher quality (and more expensive) options available. Big chain stores don't carry them because the markup or is too small or turnover too long. Contractors don't mention them because most homeowners choose fast and cheap. (As in you can have two of the following: fast, cheap and good. Would you believe someone wanted an hollow core door for an exterior entryway and was upset when the contractor wouldn't do it?) My own experience has been that you can judge the quality Americans are looking for by age. Yes I am generalizing and there are exceptions, especially those on this list who have learned the hard way. Those over 50 remember what quality was and how to judge it. 30 to 50 have some concept of it but don't usually bother to look for it. Under 30 look for glitz and glamour and haven't a clue about how it's put together. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com PS. I'd like to thank Charles Warner for the name of his tailor that makes Asbestos Suit, what the well dressed bungi man wears. Any chance he has a booth at GV '99? -----Original Message----- From: Tim & Adriana Atwood [mailto:atwoods@aisl.bc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:20 PM To: Bungi Subject: European Hardware Which brings up an interesting point for discussion. Why is intelligent hardware only European made? When I was in Holland last year I could walk into the local small town hardware store and get better hardware than I can at a North American Super store such as Home Depot. The hardware is better designed, better built, everything. Tim Atwood - Glass and Wood - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 07:36:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.51712.0> Precedence: bulk Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 08:02:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG-European Hardware Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:35:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199907211342.NAA20643@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, As regards "brass farthing", have just found an old one which will go into my collection..... As regards English toilets, they are actually designed (these days) to flush differently for liquids and ...ahhemmm.... "hardware". It's either a half length pull or once on the handle for the former; alternatively , a full length pull of the handle or a quick double pull for the latter. It's all got to do with economizing on water resources. Beware though of the old-fashioned cisterns fixed up just under ceiling level; a too vigourous tug on the chain will either a) pull the chain off or b) pull the whole cistern down (with some amusing consequences....) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (The former who has grown accustomed to English loos over the years - the latter who has to be dissuaded from treating them as a glorified drinking bowl!) Sparks wrote: > In a message dated 7/21/99 12:02:58 AM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: > > >European kitchen gadgetry is lots > >better, too. > > Wouldn't give 2 brass farthings for an English toilet, though. In the entire > week I was over there, I think I got one to *really* flush on the first try > exactly once....... and everywhere I went I saw evidence that other folks > were having trouble with 'em too =8-O > > Is there some magic trick to it? Enquiring minds want to know! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 08:34:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Albuquerquen Travellers Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:56:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.1565.0> Precedence: bulk I met Marty and Cheryl Ryder a few blocks from their hotel in Albuquerque for a glass of ice tea yesterday. They are visiting NM (from Oakland, CA) for a few days. I can't tell you how much fun we had sharing glass pictures of our work. Cheryl has the most incredible blue eyes and is so easy to talk with. Marty is the quiet one, but really lights up when talking about glass. Marty understands the technical side of glass and Cheryl the art. Cheryl and Marty have done some excellent work. I fell in love with everything. I liked that they work as a team which I am sure allows them to tackle their very sophisticated projects with thousands of pieces! As a newbie, I was thrilled to be able to see such fine work and be able to ask questions to real people. We talked for two hours and the conversation never lagged...the only reason it ended is because we each had other obligations. But we were worse than grandparents talking about our grandchildren, as we each described and talked about our work. Cheryl said they should be putting some pictures on the net soon. If so, you really must see thier "chile" lamp that they spent 7 months of their lives doing! I don't think a Tiffany-type wisteria could compare! Of course being from NM, I have a passion for good chile! I was truly inspired! I am so anxious to do glass this morning. What a lift! Bungi has provided me with this unique warm experience to get to know some pretty talented and wonderful people from two states over. I think the world of email is making our world smaller and more personable. I am very thankful that someone or someones in the guild who thought to start this listserv!!! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 08:37:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ng-grafitti Bob D. Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:19:38 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Kinda wondered that one too...maybe he fell in love with the school's larger compressor and decided to clean up the town:):) Cindy:) >Hey! speaking of Grafitti....where is Bob D. the grafitti erasure? Did he >really take lessons on shutting his mouth? Is that why we havent' heard, >the rest of the story?! Or is he still blasting after one week?! Or did he >wreck that new mechanical toy that was providing a lift?! > >claudette > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 09:02:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Gloyn@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help with my article: How do you work through creative blocks? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.64718.0> References: <<1999Jul21.2854.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Gloyn@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all! I am hoping that some of you will help me with an article I'm > writing (I do freelance writing as well as glass). I am interested in > finding out if you experience creative impasses or blocks (personally I have > more than a few!), why you think they happen to you and how you get past > them. I read the posts here almost every day or you can email your > responses privately to me. > > Thanks for helping out! Gwyn Roland > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i find if i'm overwhelmed by the information i have to think of, my brain turns off. then i get distracted and i forget what i'm doing. i think it's your creative side of your brain taking a vacation every so often to re-generate. sometimes it needs a jump start, visiting new places, experiencing new things, stuff like that. people may become inspired by other peoples work. or they may see something that set's off a chain reaction - like seeing a flower garden, and quickly seeing that as a potential project. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 09:08:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Rita Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.6555.0> References: <<1999Jul21.51712.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Rita Tidwell wrote: > > Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer > the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my > instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's all up to you. if you think the rough side looks better then use it. however this does take some advanced planning, being sure that you make a reverse copy of the pattern. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 09:30:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:12:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' , 'Rita Tidwell' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.65334.0> Precedence: bulk If memory serves me the answer is yes. It is the side you prefer. I've used both sides of textured glass depending on what it was part of. Smooth tree trunks just don't look right. Water glass in a fish panel worked better with the rougher side in back. Ribbons/bows got both sides, just like in real life. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Rita Tidwell [mailto:tidwell2@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 9:17 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 10:01:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: European Hardware Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:07:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.4729.0> Precedence: bulk Is this the reason why washing machines used to last 30 years (back when my mother bought her first one) and now if you get 6-7 years out of one, you call yourself lucky? And why so many Americans drive foreign cars? Sad commentary, isn't it? Shari p.s. Charles and Vic--looking good in those asbestos suits. I especially like the lace collars and cuffs. Custom tailoring really makes a big difference. From: Modiano, Victor >The problem is that most Americans have no idea about the quality of most >hardware/lumber/plumbing... Nor do they have any idea about the higher >quality (and more expensive) options available. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 10:06:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: Rita Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:43:05 -0700 Message-ID: <199907211543.IAA08280@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer >the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my >instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita The correct side for the front is the side the artist thinks is the front...in this case you're both right on your own pieces! She can make hers smooth side out, you can make yours rough side out. The only exception to this I make is in kitchen cabinet window design. I ALWAYS put the smooth side out to make it easier for the homeowner to clean away dust, grease, etc. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 10:23:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Gloyn@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help with my article: How do you work through creative blocks? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.2349.0> References: <<1999Jul21.2854.0>> Precedence: bulk Gloyn@aol.com wrote: > Hi all! I am hoping that some of you will help me with an article I'm > writing (I do freelance writing as well as glass). I am interested in > finding out if you experience creative impasses or blocks (personally I have > more than a few!), yes I get creative blocks. > why you think they happen to you usually its either I'm too tired (not enough sleep) or I need some sex or I'm hungry. Frequency and order of importance of the 3 most common causes left unspecified. I will say that my inner life and my dreams including, ummmmm .... "religious" things, are definitely more important to me than that which is outside myself. > and how you get past them. either get some sleep or get some sex or get something to eat or all three. Being well-rested, well-fed, and well-youknowwhat is the essence of happiness in this life. People that don't realize this are generally unhappy. I'm a simple straighforward WYSIWYG type of fella (you believe that right? ). I try to keep things simple and basic though it requires conscious effort to do so ... if I don't, given the complexity of my mind and my built-in random number generator, things get complicated in a hurry ... which is a mistake since almost everything in life IS pretty simple. But as a general rule, if there is a problem, one of those three things will cure it .... 95+% of the time anyway ... the other 5% is "religious stuff" I won't comment on here. [and no, my wife doesn't read this list ] Regards ........ Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 11:25:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!atayloreddesign From: Delores Taylor To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Right side of the glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199907211644.MAA12929@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Some people can't think outside the box. While one side is smooth and the other isn't it should be an artistic choice that works for the piece. If a smooth glassy surface is the effect you want then use the right side, if the pattern and duller surface on the reverse side is more interesting use it. For cutting purposed I cut on the smooth side (even if it's reversing the pattern) for ease of cut and breaking control but I don't let the art police dictate which side of the glass will end up in my project. Rita Tidwell said: Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer >the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my >instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 11:51:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Dee Thompson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.340.0> References: <<3.0.32.19990720120009.00970a00@pop.erols.com>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Dee Thompson wrote: > > >I sometimes wonder if it isn't like raising chickens...if they are kept too > >close to each other they all start peckin' on each other. > > I just remembered a house I saw in a little mountain town in Pa when I was > a child...plenty of room to spread out and no one too close but the story > was the owner was P.O.'d with his neighbors so he painted polka dots all > over his 3 story house...big pink and purple and yellow, perfectly round, > spots! > He must have been really mad to go to all that work. > Dee > ---- > love it love it love it:) Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 12:15:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:27:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: ng- lifetime expectancy of tools Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:50:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.5507.0> Precedence: bulk I have had good luck with my appliances...been married 30 years and the appliances ran for 25 years (however, my husband can no longer run at 56 (bad knees), but he walks pretty fast). Now our cars are a different story....as expensive as cars are...I think I should be able to plug one in and have it run 25 years too! Our tractor is a 1948 and our pickup is a 1959....something went wrong in the car industry after the 50's, I suspect. Maybe its when they did away with the "granny gear!" and stopped placing the starter on the floor. cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 13:52:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:56:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Rita Tidwell Subject: Re: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:53:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.195336.0> References: <<1999Jul21.51712.0@?>> Precedence: bulk What ever works for the piece is correct. In windows or other panels where there is a weather or "dirty" side, the smoothest side should be out to the weather, etc., as it is easier to clean the textured side from the inside, and it doesn't get so much dirt either. Steve In message <1999Jul21.51712.0@?>, Rita Tidwell writes >Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer >the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my >instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 14:17:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:42:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Gloyn@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help with my article: How do you work through creative blocks? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:10:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.3101.0> References: <<1999Jul21.2854.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Gloyn@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all! I am hoping that some of you will help me with an article I'm > writing (I do freelance writing as well as glass). I am interested in > finding out if you experience creative impasses or blocks (personally I have > more than a few!), why you think they happen to you and how you get past > them. I read the posts here almost every day or you can email your > responses privately to me. > > Thanks for helping out! Gwyn Roland > ---- > ah yes...writers block....you reminded me I have an outline that an editor dropped some very serious hints he cant wait to see very soon..todays project:)...anyway..seriously...I pray....I look at what may be getting at me emotionally...with glass my procrastination usually has to do with knowing I have a particularly unpleasant task ahead of me and not wanting to do it (a luxury I have since glass is only a hobby...supposedly a relaxing one...for me) but the creative writing stuff is almost ALWAYS emotionally based for me. I went thru a phase of not writing any poetry for about ten years because I freaked at the emotional stuff it brought up...and there had been a time where I just produced reams and reams..usually late at night when everyone else was asleep. getting back into the swing of things now. BTW....if you want a sort of terrifying look at writers block read Stephen Kings "Bag of bones"..it puts a whole new twist on it:) hope this helps Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 14:21:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Rita Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:12:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.31215.0> References: <<1999Jul21.51712.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Rita Tidwell wrote: > > Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer > the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my > instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita > > ---- > I dont see why you cant use any side you want BUT the smooth side cuts much better so if you are going to use the textured side, you should do what you need to do with the pattern so you can cut on the smooth side and then flip it over and have the textured side facing out. I am sure thats why your instructor told you to only use the smooth side is the cutting part. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 14:40:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: early.com!hugsal From: Ann Hughes To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990721141929.008c77c0@pop.early.com> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 14:47:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:37:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.10373.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Rita Tidwell >Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer= the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita< The correct answer is..."it depends." It depends on what you think is best! Just finished a panel using all granite-textured glass with a few waterglass accent pieces. The customer wanted the granite textured side to be facing "foreward". I like it. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 14:58:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:58:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.95855.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Modiano, Victor" >If memory serves me the answer is yes. It is the side you prefer. < If you plan to use the rough side of a piece of glass for the front of the panel, flip your pattern piece up-side-down and cut on the smooth side of the glass.... Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 15:00:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:29:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.12296.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks so much for all the help. I do turn my patterns over and cut on the smooth side. Glad I wasn't totally off base. A technician spent 3 hours on my system, cleaned it up and unstalled an anti virus program. It was really messed up but hopefully it won't cause further problems. Thanks again to all, Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 15:02:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:05:14 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I would agree with the general consensus...there is no right or wrong side to glue chip, just a matter of choice and convenience. Reminds me of a horror once on my part...I had just finished installing the last cupboard door (series of 7) and I sat down with the person and glanced over to one of the doors, only to notice the bottom corner glass piece (2" sq.glue chip) wasn't facing the same side out as all the others! Incredible blunder on my part, but things can happen...not being able to stand it personally I removed the door and fixed it. Cindy:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 15:26:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!romarah From: robert omarah To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Flux on tools and hello Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.121822.0> Precedence: bulk Hello to everyone, I am new to this list and this is the first time for me to write to everyone. I am a beginner in working in stained glass and love what I have learned so far. Hope to get to know everyone better. I am a not so young mother with a great husband and 10 children. So I don't have to worry about selling anything that I make...Christmas is always on my mind. As for the flux on the tool. When I do the wire I start about a inch down from the top and flux then solder the wire. When done I just cut off the top 1 inch that wasn't done. As for the rings, etc. I solder the ring to the pliers and say a few 4 letter words in the process, I know...I'm working on that. Eventually I get them to move down from the pliers to the piece where they are to be permenently attached. The idea of attaching them and then coating them sounds great...will try that next. (Thank you Elixabeth 'n toby in UK) Hope everyone has a great week. Sue in NY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 19:04:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 99 06:52:55 Message-ID: <199907220059.SAA27150@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk yep I agree, "it depends" .. use it any old way you want to..it'll reflect the light differently, so look at it in the sun or in front of a lamp.. Candy On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:37:03 -0400, Christie A. Wood wrote: >Message text written by Rita Tidwell >>Is there a correct side of glass for front of a piece. Example, I prefer= > >the textured side of glue chip for the front of an angel's dress but my >instructor says it should be the smooth side. Rita< > >The correct answer is..."it depends." It depends on what you think >is best! Just finished a panel using all granite-textured glass with >a few waterglass accent pieces. The customer wanted the granite >textured side to be facing "foreward". I like it. > >Christie Wood >Art Glass Ensemble ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 19:34:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!romarah From: robert omarah To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: lifetime expectancy of tools Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.164028.0> Precedence: bulk I have had good luck with my appliances...been married 30 years and the appliances ran for 25 years (however, my husband can no longer run at 56 (bad knees), but he walks pretty fast). Now our cars are a different story....as expensive as cars are...I think I should be able to plug one in and have it run 25 years too! Our tractor is a 1948 and our pickup is a 1959....something went wrong in the car industry after the 50's, I suspect. Maybe its when they did away with the "granny gear!" and stopped placing the starter on the floor. cj CJ, I am a used car dealer and with the cars...the new car dealers are guaranteed a certain amount of money in repairs for a given length of time on all cars. They build them so that certain parts will only go so far. This is the same with many things that are sold now. Sue - NY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 20:18:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!romarah From: robert omarah To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: KSee...saying hi. Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.164920.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome Sue I have to close my mouth now before flies fly in. 10!!! children. Are they all at home? Where in NY are you? KSee (originally from NYC) I live up in the northern most part near the St. Lawrence River. Very cold up here. I had 3 children and married a man who had 7. We ended up with all of the children living with us. Luckly all are grown up now. As with most children every so often one will show up and live with us for a short time. So we have 1 here now going back to college. Sue from NY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 20:43:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "bungi" Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:52:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.175229.0> Precedence: bulk Sue, Welcome to a great group. 10 kids. I am impressed.... I am sure the kids think mother is a wizard making all sorts of wonderful things. I have done my fair share of soldering the jump ring to the pliers or the wrong place. Perseverance wins... Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: robert omarah To: bungi Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 6:31 PM Subject: Flux on tools and hello >Hello to everyone, > I am new to this list and this is the first time for me to write to >everyone. I am a beginner in working in stained glass and love what I >have learned so far. Hope to get to know everyone better. I am a not so >young mother with a great husband and 10 children. So I don't have to >worry about selling anything that I make...Christmas is always on my >mind. > As for the flux on the tool. When I do the wire I start about a inch >down from the top and flux then solder the wire. When done I just cut >off the top 1 inch that wasn't done. As for the rings, etc. I solder the >ring to the pliers and say a few 4 letter words in the process, I >know...I'm working on that. Eventually I get them to move down from the >pliers to the piece where they are to be permenently attached. The idea >of attaching them and then coating them sounds great...will try that >next. (Thank you Elixabeth 'n toby in UK) > Hope everyone has a great week. > >Sue in NY >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 20:52:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Cindy Pesonen" , Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:56:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.175642.0> Precedence: bulk Cindy, I have a friend new to glass that is making windows at wharp speed. She just finished a large fish window and came over to ask me to look at it when she finished. Well there was one piece of glass that was backwards. She had been so careful with the pattern on her lilly pads except for one piece. Well I didn't say a word, just complimented her on her work. But it would have looked better if the piece was turned around. She was happy with her work of art and that is all that counts. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Pesonen To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Right side of the glass > >I would agree with the general consensus...there is no right or wrong side >to glue chip, just a matter of choice and convenience. > >Reminds me of a horror once on my part...I had just finished installing the >last cupboard door (series of 7) and I sat down with the person and glanced >over to one of the doors, only to notice the bottom corner glass piece (2" >sq.glue chip) wasn't facing the same side out as all the others! Incredible >blunder on my part, but things can happen...not being able to stand it >personally I removed the door and fixed it. >Cindy:) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 21 21:11:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:19:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vvm.com!ktjude From: judy novak To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Another instilation/design situation Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul21.162435.0> Organization: calumet farm and studios/glass & goodies Precedence: bulk We have been asked to design and install a 3'x3' window panel. The tricky part is - the client is going to build the house and wants the window done ahead of time. The house plans are completed and everything is awaiting a start date of May. The window is for a bathroom suit which will contain 1 other window made of "glass bricks and has dimensions of $'x4'. the client wants window panel inserted in a frame of the glass bricks "for continuity". My first inclination was to tell him to have the window inserted with molding as per any other instillation. In thinking about it ( yea, I do have a thinking disorder!!!:) ) I believe that would leave a large ledge either on the inside or outside of the insulation (condensation mess). It will also be difficult to design the window to aesthetically match with the grouting necessary in the glass bricks. I am not even sure of the dimensions of the glass bricks and the grouting so as to space my design and rebar as aesthetic as possible. The client requested the design be of "dogwoods". We have explored several designs and have preliminary approval but I want to know more about the instillation before I go ahead and make a final design. The design will be lead construction, have a central 21 " design of dogwood blossoms and a bird encircled in bevels, with dogwoods as a border filling in the 3' frame. Any experience? Any suggestions? Help! judy n ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 07:40:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!romarah From: robert omarah To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:40:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.44032.0> References: <<006001bed400$2c641e80$8a7932d1@kleeman>> Precedence: bulk Debbie Taylor wrote: > young mother with a great husband and 10 children > > ARE YOU CRAZY WOMEN?!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh no....what to do????? Well, now I guess that the rabbit is out of the hat...i'll just have to admit that...I am crazy at times. Just ask my husband. I would love to thank everyone who has welcomed me to the group. Am looking forward to getting to know everyone. Will check out the other list also. Thank you Sue It's much easier to grow older than to grow wiser.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 08:09:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:07:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: lakeozarks.net!sandyjoh From: "Sandy Johnson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:55:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.35529.0> Precedence: bulk Heading back to Des Moines for a little while...I'll connect with y'all there. Sandy... Life is a wonderful adventure...enjoy the ride! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 08:43:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul22.61545.0> References: <<1999Jul21.175642.0>> Precedence: bulk These stories remind me of a quilting class I took with a Pennsylvania Dutch lady many years back. She would bring in old quilts to demonstrate various techniques. With each she challenged us to find the mistake that the quilt's creator(s) had purposely worked into the finished piece. It could be that a fabric scrap was put in upside down, or that the quilting stitches suddenly reversed pattern. Mistakes were included to show humility before God, according to the customs Miz Stoltzfus taught us. Mary On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Cindy, > > I have a friend new to glass that is making windows at wharp speed. She > just finished a large fish window and came over to ask me to look at it when > she finished. Well there was one piece of glass that was backwards. She > had been so careful with the pattern on her lilly pads except for one piece. > Well I didn't say a word, just complimented her on her work. But it would > have looked better if the piece was turned around. She was happy with her > work of art and that is all that counts. > Linda Jo > -----Original Message----- > From: Cindy Pesonen > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: Right side of the glass > > > > > >I would agree with the general consensus...there is no right or wrong side > >to glue chip, just a matter of choice and convenience. > > > >Reminds me of a horror once on my part...I had just finished installing the > >last cupboard door (series of 7) and I sat down with the person and glanced > >over to one of the doors, only to notice the bottom corner glass piece (2" > >sq.glue chip) wasn't facing the same side out as all the others! Incredible > >blunder on my part, but things can happen...not being able to stand it > >personally I removed the door and fixed it. > >Cindy:) > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 09:18:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: judy novak Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Another instilation/design situation Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:42:53 -0700 Message-ID: <199907221442.HAA05182@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >We have been asked to design and install a 3'x3' window panel. The >tricky part is - the client is going to build the house and wants the >window done ahead of time. The house plans are completed and everything >is awaiting a start date of May. >The window is for a bathroom suit which will contain 1 other window made >of "glass bricks and has dimensions of $'x4'. the client wants window >panel inserted in a frame of the glass bricks "for continuity". >My first inclination was to tell him to have the window inserted with >molding as per any other instillation. In thinking about it ( yea, I do >have a thinking disorder!!!:) ) I believe that would leave a large >ledge either on the inside or outside of the insulation >(condensation mess). It will also be difficult to design the window to >aesthetically match with the grouting necessary in the glass bricks. I >am not even sure of the dimensions of the glass bricks and the grouting >so as to space my design and rebar as aesthetic as possible. >The client requested the design be of "dogwoods". We have explored >several designs and have preliminary approval but I want to know more >about the instillation before I go ahead and make a final design. The >design will be lead construction, have a central 21 " design of dogwood >blossoms and a bird encircled in bevels, with dogwoods as a border >filling in the 3' frame. >Any experience? Any suggestions? Hi Judy I would make the window to the client's specification and in my written contract specify that client provided the panel sizes for construction and that the client is responsible for installation...thereby leaving responsibility in THEIR hands once you deliver it. I'd also advise the client of your concerns, but not make any specific recommendations. (In other words, wash your hands of the problem on paper) C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 10:20:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (aka Tracy Reitmann)" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-Help! Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.54839.0> Precedence: bulk I've been getting double messages for the last few days and can't seem to find Glenna....Glenna, if you get this...."HELP!" Now don't get me wrong, I love reading all the glass stuff, but at first I thought I was losing my mind...."I could've sworn I just read that e-mail!" :> Uh-oh, I just realized by posting this to the group, I'll get it back twice! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 10:45:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!romarah From: robert omarah To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:06:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.7638.0> References: <<1999Jul22.61545.0>> Precedence: bulk maruca@netaxs.com wrote: She would bring in old quilts to demonstrate > various techniques. With each she challenged us to find the mistake that > the quilt's creator(s) had purposely worked into the finished piece. > > Mary Boy...that is a great idea...now if any of you see my work...tee hee hee all of the mistakes that you see....tee hee heeeee are really put there on purpose. Right? You do believe me don't you????? Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 11:12:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:32:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.43247.0> Precedence: bulk >These stories remind me of a quilting class I took with a Pennsylvania >Dutch lady many years back. With each she challenged us to find the mistake that >the quilt's creator(s) had purposely worked into the finished piece. > Mary--your story reminds me of the story I use--you know, the one about how I purposely break one piece of glass in each panel that I make. That's kinda my signature and how people can tell it's an "original Shari work of art" versus some nasty rip-off... So far, friends and family seem to be buying this... Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: texcom-mail.army.mil!kellypatrick From: "Patrick Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: On the road again Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Well here I am again in a strange place, Virginia Beach, Virginia. I = really got lucky, across the street is an Art Center that is displaying = some of Chihuly's work and other glass stuff... I'll make a report and get = back with ya'll (that's Texas Talk). I remember somebody from the list has a shop here, haven't found it yet, = but I'll continue to look, .... I think it is K See. I am staying at the = DoubleTree Hotel, Virginia Beach, room 950 if somebody wanted to call and = let me know about any glass places in the area (that is if I can keep my = mind off the thong swimsuits long enough.).... VBG You can email me personnaly at kellypatrick@texcom-mail.army.mil Patrick Roses and Rainbows=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 11:43:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:12:19 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >Welcome Sue! >I'm sure you will find Bungi a great group. >I got cha on the Christmas family thing, think my mother in law has more stained glass than I do! >Just wondering if there are special four letter words that stained glassers use??? Grin. >Cindy:) >PS... I live in Canada, in the interior of the west coast, but I've been to NY when I was young...what I remember the most was the fabulous meatball subs! > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 12:39:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: glass , "'Northernlights (aka Tracy Reitmann)'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: NG-Help! Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:57:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.95715.0> Precedence: bulk Hopefully Glenna will be back soon. On the July 17 she was leaving for a well deserved trip ( I hope vacation) to Hawaii.. Glenna, When you read this when you get back, I hope you had a great time, lots of sun, water and every thing enjoyable you could ever imagine. Gloria > ---------- > From: Northernlights (aka Tracy > Reitmann)[SMTP:Northernlights@pobox.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:48 AM > To: glass > Subject: NG-Help! > > I've been getting double messages for the last few days and can't seem > to find Glenna....Glenna, if you get this...."HELP!" Now don't get me > wrong, I love reading all the glass stuff, but at first I thought I was > losing my mind...."I could've sworn I just read that e-mail!" :> > Uh-oh, I just realized by posting this to the group, I'll get it back > twice! > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 13:19:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:09:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:02:52 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199907221907.OAA01925@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Snip >Just wondering if there are special four letter words that stained glassers use??? Of course--"frit." As in OH FRIT! : - ) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 14:51:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Flux on tools and hello Date: Thu Jul 22 13:41:26 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.111926.0> References: <<199907221907.OAA01925@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk i thought it was oh, flux debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Sodt [mailto:kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 4:03 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Snip >Just wondering if there are special four letter words that stained glassers use??? Of course--"frit." As in OH FRIT! : - ) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 16:39:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:15:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:09:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199907222116.VAA19712@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, MY excuse for getting a piece of glass the wrong way round is, to say that - surely - Mr/s Client, you must have heard of the Middle Age glass craftsman's custom of turning one piece of glass the wrong way round because it kept the Evil Eye at bay....?! That's MY story... and I'm sticking to it! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > >These stories remind me of a quilting class I took with a Pennsylvania > >Dutch lady many years back. With each she challenged us to find the mistake > that > >the quilt's creator(s) had purposely worked into the finished piece. > > > > > > Mary--your story reminds me of the story I use--you know, the one about how > I purposely break one piece of glass in each panel that I make. That's kinda > my signature and how people can tell it's an "original Shari work of art" > versus some nasty rip-off... So far, friends and family seem to be > buying this... > > > > > I'll remember this next time someone asks me about that broken piece... :-) > Boy am I humble. > > Shari > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 16:48:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:53:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.135345.0> Precedence: bulk Kaye, How about "Oh Flux" Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Sodt To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello > > >Snip >Just wondering if there are special four letter words that stained glassers >use??? > >Of course--"frit." As in OH FRIT! : - ) > >Kaye > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 16:58:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:18:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Shari Higbee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: European Hardware Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.91721.0> References: <<1999Jul21.4729.0>> Precedence: bulk Shari Higbee wrote: > Is this the reason why washing machines used to last 30 years (back when my > mother bought her first one) and now if you get 6-7 years out of one, you > call yourself lucky? And why so many Americans drive foreign cars? Sad > commentary, isn't it? We have an all Kitchen-Aid house and I do believe their gear will last that long, 20-30 years or more that is ... and its Made in USA by the same company that makes Whirlpool .... General Electric Corporation. Beats the hell out of the Phillips and Brandt and Krup etc etc stuff that most Europeans buy ... they mostly buy the cheaper stuff for the same reason everyone mostly buys cheaper stuff here in the USA and everywhere else in the world ... they can afford the cheaper stuff. Now one CAN buy good stuff that will last a very long time ... both in Europe and the USA ... but its expensive (though obviously cheaper in the long run IF you take care of it) .... and I rather suspect its ALWAYS been that way. Things are not going to pot ... they're just the same now as they've always been. Good workmanship on good quality products made of good materials and made to last costs good money. Compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges. Most folks in most of Europe buy Fiat, Puegeot, Renault, Volkswagen and ... the number 1 selling make in Europe is ... ta ta ....... FORD. Ford's European models are made IN Europe and are not made in exactly the same way either. Most of the European low model cars are essentially not available here because nobody, no American that is, in their right mind would pay the high prices one would pay here (if they were available) for these rather ordinary cars (which are not unlike Chevy and other plain vanilla cars). They cost a lot because European workers get (by law) 4-6 weeks of personal vacation a year + a little more than double of government vacation days (Labor Day, Ascension, Christmas, and so on, depending on the country) + socialized medicine (very expensive) + other benefits ... all of which are very expensive in determining the final cost of manufactured products. Also ... Europeans have a carefully cultivated, highly advertised (and completely false) image here in the USA of only making high quality stuff. So .. it just won't do to sell their low end cars here. You don't REALLY think that everyone in Germany drives a high-end BMW ... or everyone in Sweden drives a Volvo ... or that every Englishman drives a Rolls Royce ... do you? This entire thread has been very amusing to me. The European cars sold here are for the most part high-end .... Mercedes, Volvo, BMW, Saab, Audi ... though Ferrari, Lamboughini, Rolls Royce are also available here in the USA. Not that many people have them because most people can't afford them. Prices for Volvo here are quite high compared with Volvo's purchased in the EEC ... I know ... I bought 3 of them when I was there mostly for about half of what they cost here. I had a Volvo 360 (not sold here in the USA) I got brand new for $14,000 USD when a Volvo thats very similar to it was going for about $27,000 USD here in the USA at the same time. I do believe my ex still has that car around ... perfect condition, about 120,000 miles, runs like a top, great milage ... very good automobile in every sense of the word. Not all Volvos made are even available here btw. As a general rule, high-end cars are even more expensive over there relative to the local economy, relative to what people make that is.. Europeans have a substantially lower standard of living (essentially due to high taxation) except for the ones born into money who are insulated from such things. Europe has an EXTREMELY rigid social structure based on inherited wealth and inherited position Americans can't even visualize until they've lived there. I had a BMW 735i over there ... cost me the equivalent of $80,000 .... I sold it for a little more than the amount I purchased it for (I DO tend to take care of things) ... so I didn't lose money. BMW's are nice in that. A BMW 735i does NOT cost $80,000 here in the USA. Similar to Volvo in that respect. [And no, I'm not rich ... just wanted a high end auto for a while and figured a way to engineer it It worked too ... I even made a little money ot it. I'm not impressed by the auto a person drives ... I don't even HAVE an auto now ... and haven't had one for almost 5 years .] The dumb Americans (and seemingly some Canadians as well ) buy into this "the Europeans make better stuff" routine ... and the Europeans exploit that to the maximum. Personally I think its hilarious ... all these cultural myths. One of their myths about us is : Americans are all technological wizards. Which is ... of course ... OBVIOUSLY ... not true. I HOPE that everyone realizes that most Europeans buy most of their home and garden hardware at the European equivalent of Home Depot. By the way, did you know that Europe's two largest truck makers are Volvo and Mercedes? Mostly semi's .... pickups simply do not exist in Europe, Europeans think pickup trucks are insane .... but as I understand it (and things could have changed in the last few years), Volvo practically OWNS the European (except in Germany of course) and Mediterranean market for garbage trucks and Mercedes has been trying to break into that market for decades .... lotsa money in garbage trucks I suppose. I wonder why they don't advertise all that on American television? Guess it wouldn't help their image eh? Germans make great SG too ... very high quality ... ever noticed the price? Enough on this .... later ..... regards to all .... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 17:39:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: European Hardware Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:23:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.162338.0> Precedence: bulk +++pickups simply do not exist in Europe, Europeans think pickup trucks are insane .... +++ For the most part I completely agree with your post...however...at least in the early 1990s, it was quite popular in Northern Germany to have a pick-up truck. You could buy them new at the German Ford dealerships...they were VERY expensive being made in the USA to euro specs I believe....but many Germans around the Kasernne would beg to buy any solider's truck if they had brought one with them... Don't think you can say "europeans think pick-up trucks are insane" as a general comment. Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 18:38:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!russ_hilleke1 From: "russ hilleke" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: American Glass postage stamps Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:11:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.11138.0> Precedence: bulk Next time you are in the post office, be sure to ask about the American Glass postage stamps. There are four different stamps that have pictures of representative American glass objects on them (Art Glass, pressed glass, free-blown glass, and mold-blown glass). The nicest picture is of the Tiffany window that is on the side of the plate but not on any of the stamps. Russ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 18:57:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:11:50 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.11150.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/21/99 6:27:56 PM, romarah@northnet.org writes: >I am a not so >young mother with a great husband and 10 children. What my enquiring mind wants to know is: Do any of 'em do glass? Welcome aboard! Sparks remembering Tulsa Suzanne's story about her 3 year old son deciding he wants to be a mommy when he grows up so he can do glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 21:36:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:11:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Soraya , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG pickups was European Hardware Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:39:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.173929.0> References: <<1999Jul22.162338.0>> Precedence: bulk >From the land of cowboys and pickups... There was an awful accident in my neighborhood yesterday. A 14 yr old girl and a 16 yr old boy (14 yr old behind the wheel of the boys parents new big truck) drove 60 mph down a 25 mph road, swerved to miss a telephone truck and drove through a yard, through a kitchen, where 2 women were eating lunch, and into the guest room. A 10 yr old boy was also in the house, and ran out side when he heard the commotion. Luckily he was in another part of the house when the accident happened. One woman was killed instantly. She was visiting from Houston, and the woman who lived in the house is in critical condition (last I heard she was in surgery). The kids were arrested, the 14 yr old girl charged with 1st degree manslaughter, and I dont know what they charged the boy with. I hope his daddy has good insurance...it was his truck. Sorry to be the bearer of sad news. Tulsa Suzanne > +++pickups simply do not exist in Europe, Europeans > think pickup trucks are insane .... +++ -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 22:03:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:17:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.41738.0> Precedence: bulk Cindy's enquiring mind wants to know: >>Just wondering if there are special four letter words that stained glassers >>use??? "Awwwwwwwwwww, FRIT!" ("Awwwwwwwwwww, FLUX!" is good too.) And if you're only slightly less annoyed (or if there are small children around), you can always fall back on: "Awwwwwwwwwww, PIGGY!" It ain't 4 letters, but it works........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 22:16:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:19:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:18:26 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.41826.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/22/99 11:44:16 AM, maruca@netaxs.com writes: > [...] It could be that a fabric scrap was put in upside down, or that the >quilting stitches suddenly reversed pattern. Mistakes were included to >show humility before God, according to the customs Miz Stoltzfus taught >us. They say that traditional Japanese artists/artisans often deliberately make their work slightly imperfect, so it won't arouse the jealousy of an evil spirit (and we all know how nasty those evil spirits can be when they get jealous). Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 22:40:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:24:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul22.212447.0> Precedence: bulk ----->Cindy's enquiring mind wants to know: >Just wondering if there are special four letter words that stained glassers >use I guess I use the generic ones...nothing glass specific...except maybe...."#&%# glass" General purpose words of "fudge" and a family specific one of 'frazzle razzle' seem to work best. Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 22 23:37:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: ktjude@vvm.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Another instilation/design situation Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:02:36 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.6236.0> Precedence: bulk Those nettlesome glass brick borders. Hmm. . . . Why would one want a square window of off-the-shelf glass bricks, when one could simply have a truly elegant bathroom suite with a stunning set of two complementary "dogwood" windows? Hmmmm. . . . Seems there are styles of pressed glass "jewels" -- and varieties of clear glass -- that can mimic, if not surpass, the effects of glass "bricks." You can satisfy your client with a design that incorporates the look of glass brick without the pitfalls and boxiness of the ubiquitous (and tired) glass brick. Hmmmmmmm. . . Of course, the downside is that such an undertaking would provide superior continuity, superior aesthetics, and superior remuneration for the artist. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . . Jude, my advice is to persuade your client to trade his obsession with bricks for a fascination with jewels. Hey, at least it was free advice. Gee! All this "hmmm"-ing makes me want to sing! So, with apologies to Lennon, McCartney et al, and to all Bungi ears, here goes nothin' Hey, Jude, don't make it bad the idea is to make it better. Remember, the client is always right and then you will become a real "lead" -er. Hey, Jude, don't be afraid you were made to get this commission. When a client gets under your skin Then you will become a real "lead" -er. So, anytime you don't like the pane, hey, Jude, reframe Don't carry your glass near flying boulders. Don't you know that it's the fool who plays it cool By making his loo a little moldier. Hey, Jude! Don't let us down You have got to go do this commission. Remember, the client is always right, though we all know, you know better. So, let it out and let it in, hey, Jude, begin to turn your client in your direction, Don't he know that he needs two, hey, Jude, you do, all you need is to be bolder. Hey, Jude, you won't make him mad, Take his idea and make it better. Remember, continuity in art is like heads, where two are better. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 05:38:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.42034.0> Precedence: bulk Sounds good to me Sparks. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Right side of the glass > >In a message dated 7/22/99 11:44:16 AM, maruca@netaxs.com writes: > >> [...] It could be that a fabric scrap was put in upside down, or that the >>quilting stitches suddenly reversed pattern. Mistakes were included to >>show humility before God, according to the customs Miz Stoltzfus taught >>us. > >They say that traditional Japanese artists/artisans often deliberately make >their work slightly imperfect, so it won't arouse the jealousy of an evil >spirit (and we all know how nasty those evil spirits can be when they get >jealous). > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 06:38:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Another instilation/design situation Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:54:46 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.125446.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/23/99 2:38:29 AM, Rickola@aol.com writes: >Why would one want a square window of off-the-shelf glass bricks, when >one could simply have a truly elegant bathroom suite with a stunning set of >two complementary "dogwood" windows? Mebbe 'cuz they're too cheap to do it right? Seriously, folks, by the time you've spent a gazillion bucks building a house, what's another coupla grand? (she asked, fully aware of the irony in such a statement being made by someone who thinks she's filthy rich if she even has $50 to her name =8-O) > [...] So, anytime you don't like the pane, hey, Jude, reframe >Don't carry your glass near flying boulders. >Don't you know that it's the fool who plays it cool >By making his loo a little moldier. Oh maaaaaaaaaan - you just made me snort my coffee all over my keyboard! (she said, turning blue from trying not to guffaw out loud and wake up the rest of the family) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 06:48:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Creative cuss words for SG artists, was Re: Flux on tools and hello Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:54:41 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.125441.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/23/99 1:41:05 AM, soraya@cros.net writes: >General purpose words of "fudge" and a family specific one of 'frazzle >razzle' seem to work best. The 4-letter word that strikes terror into Christie when it comes from me is: "Oops!" Sparks =8-O ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 06:54:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: Another instilation/design situation Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.42735.0> Precedence: bulk I think it might be more, the builder threw the glass blocks in and the homeowner just went along. I can't imagine an architect designing it that way, but who knows?? And at this point to change things probably would cost too much. Anything in a bathroom besides those glass cubes would be to my liking. I think they do let a lot of light in, distort enough from the inside, but not my favorite either. IMHO great looking stained glass made by anyone on this page, put into glass blocks would not look all that hot. But if you have a job, you work with what the client wants, it is their house. I am sure the finished results will be nice. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Rickola@aol.com To: ktjude@vvm.com ; glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 2:47 AM Subject: Re: Another instilation/design situation >Those nettlesome glass brick borders. > >Hmm. . . . > >Why would one want a square window of off-the-shelf glass bricks, when one >could simply have a truly elegant bathroom suite with a stunning set of two >complementary "dogwood" windows? > >Hmmmm. . . . > >Seems there are styles of pressed glass "jewels" -- and varieties of clear >glass -- that can mimic, if not surpass, the effects of glass "bricks." You >can satisfy your client with a design that incorporates the look of glass >brick without the pitfalls and boxiness of the ubiquitous (and tired) glass >brick. > >Hmmmmmmm. . . > >Of course, the downside is that such an undertaking would provide superior >continuity, superior aesthetics, and superior remuneration for the artist. > >Hmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . . > >Jude, my advice is to persuade your client to trade his obsession with bricks >for a fascination with jewels. > >Hey, at least it was free advice. > >Gee! All this "hmmm"-ing makes me want to sing! > >So, with apologies to Lennon, McCartney et al, and to all Bungi ears, here >goes nothin' > >Hey, Jude, don't make it bad >the idea is to make it better. >Remember, the client is always right >and then you will become a real "lead" -er. > >Hey, Jude, don't be afraid >you were made to get this commission. >When a client gets under your skin >Then you will become a real "lead" -er. > >So, anytime you don't like the pane, hey, Jude, reframe >Don't carry your glass near flying boulders. >Don't you know that it's the fool who plays it cool >By making his loo a little moldier. > >Hey, Jude! Don't let us down >You have got to go do this commission. >Remember, the client is always right, >though we all know, you know better. > >So, let it out and let it in, hey, Jude, begin >to turn your client in your direction, >Don't he know that he needs two, hey, Jude, >you do, all you need is to be bolder. > >Hey, Jude, you won't make him mad, >Take his idea and make it better. >Remember, continuity in art >is like heads, where two are better. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 07:15:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: American Glass postage stamps Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:14:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.51450.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "russ hilleke" >The nicest picture is of the Tiffany window that is on the side of the plate but not on any of the stamps.< I agree. I've actually been saving those side images and pasting them onto my packages. BTW, the American Glass series is only available in licked glue format...no easy-peel stamps. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 07:37:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:18:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Rickola@aol.com, ktjude@vvm.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Re: Another instilation/design situation Date: 23 Jul 99 09:21:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199907231317.JAA13794@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Well, I certainly think you've missed your calling! You should be heading for Tin Pan Alley. I think your lyrics were wonderful and the glass ideas weren't bad either! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 07:45:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: "'Witchdoc3@aol.com'" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Flux on tools and hello Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:11:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.51150.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BED50C.ED61A1B8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Suzanne isn't the only one with an aspiring glass artist. I let Ryan, turned 4 last May, "burnish" a sun catcher I made for his teacher. He liked it and wanted to do more so I also let him steel wool the back of a lead casting. Now he wants to help daddy make more stained glass. Not to mention go to the stained glass store again. (We had stopped by WC on the way to the Amish country last year.). When Ryan heard me tell some about Glass Visions he said "You take me too?". I might be able to convince Mr. Warner that a 14 year old is old enough to come, but a 4 year old will be real tough. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:12 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Sparks remembering Tulsa Suzanne's story about her 3 year old son deciding he wants to be a mommy when he grows up so he can do glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BED50C.ED61A1B8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Flux on tools and hello

Suzanne isn't the only one with an = aspiring glass artist.
 
I let Ryan, turned 4 last May, = "burnish" a sun catcher  I made for his teacher. He = liked it and wanted to do more so I also let him steel wool the back of = a lead casting. Now he wants to help daddy make more stained glass. Not to mention go = to the stained glass store again. (We had stopped by WC on the way to = the Amish country last year.). = When Ryan heard me tell some about Glass Visions he said "You take = me too?".

I might be able to convince Mr. Warner = that a 14 year old is old enough to come, but a 4 year old will be real = tough.

Vic M.
Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   = Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com]
      Sent:   Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:12 PM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
      Subject:       = Re: Flux on tools and hello

      Sparks
              remembering Tulsa Suzanne's story about her 3 year old = son
              deciding he wants to be a mommy when he grows up
              so he can do glass

------_=_NextPart_001_01BED50C.ED61A1B8-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 07:47:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Flux on tools and hello Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:33:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199907231340.NAA23167@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk How about "Oh Tutu!" Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Linda Jo wrote: > Kaye, > How about "Oh Flux" > Kaye wrote: > > > >Snip >Just wondering if there are special four letter words that stained > glassers > >use??? > > > >Of course--"frit." As in OH FRIT! : - ) > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 09:40:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG pickups was European Hardware Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:02:04 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >That's terribly sad, and it's scary when things happen so close to home. You just never know, how safe one is going to be. >Cindy:) > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 10:25:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:04:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Right side of the glass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:02:47 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Humility before God and protection from evil spirits....definitely would take the pressure off. Grin. Cindy:)...who needs a day/night to pull herself away from a finished piece to see it in a less *critical* light. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 10:45:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Right side of the glass, now cracks...sort of NG/glass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >Gosh, you know it sometimes never fails...I've finished a large piece (could sell it BUT I really want it in the house sort of thing)...and low and behold I find a crack in a piece of glass. >Well I say "I can't sell that one!" GRIN. >Or then it back fires...it's been in the house and now I'd like to sell it but don't want to fix the crack... >Back to square one... >Cindy:)...still chuckling about your signature, Shari and original art...now why didn't I think of that???:) > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 10:52:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Subject: 4-ltr words Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:35:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.33533.0> Precedence: bulk Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Little Kids and Glass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:58:16 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.175816.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/23/99 9:46:31 AM Central Daylight Time, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: << Sparks remembering Tulsa Suzanne's story about her 3 year old son deciding he wants to be a mommy when he grows up so he can do glass >> Well, when the little ones only see women doing stained glass, they start to think in their sweet little minds that if they want to do stained glass they need to be a woman. I have a 4 year old that thinks the same way. He told me one day "when I grow up I want to be a woman"; I asked him why and he replied "so I can do glass." He loves to look at it and he has his favorite color of glass too. One of these days he will hopefully get to see some men do glass so he will know he can do it too when he grows up. Till then I will keep educating him on glass and when he is old enough try to teach him some. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 11:57:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!ATFSI From: ATFSI@aol.com To: hotglass@list.bb.net, glass@bungi.com, glass@intrastar.bb.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: "SCUM" (4 letters) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:46:30 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.174630.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone out there willing to give a practical exposition on the subject of "scum"??? ( silica particles?, reside of??, etc....how to avoid?) I'm trying to gain enough info to design it out of a dichro coating..any takers? Jack ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 12:20:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG pickups was European Hardware Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: <4.1.19990723105230.0092dde0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jul22.162338.0>> Precedence: bulk Soraya wrote: > > +++pickups simply do not exist in Europe, Europeans > think pickup trucks are insane .... +++ > We just got back from vacation in France and Italy. I saw my first pickup truck after about two weeks of driving. It really looked odd...then I realized it was because I hadn't seen any others. So whether or not Europeans think trucks are insane, there sure aren't many of them there. (Pickups, that is...I did see plenty of Europeans in Europe.) In the "civilized" parts of Northern California, I'd guess about half the cars on the road are pickups and SUVs. In the mountains, it goes up to about 3/4. As a long-time pickup lover, my only question is how do Europeans get all their stuff back from Home Depot? ;-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 12:47:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' , "'Romajoco@aol.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Little Kids and Glass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.105628.0> Precedence: bulk Margie Send him over and he can watch an "almost real man" do glass. Just don't blame me when he comes home going "Oh frit!!!!!" Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com For the record: Real men don't score glass they just bite off what they don't want with their teeth. Real men don't grind, just scrape off the edge with a fingernail. Not even going to attempt to describe a real man soldering. -----Original Message----- From: Romajoco@aol.com [mailto:Romajoco@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 1:58 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Little Kids and Glass In a message dated 7/23/99 9:46:31 AM Central Daylight Time, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: << Sparks remembering Tulsa Suzanne's story about her 3 year old son deciding he wants to be a mommy when he grows up so he can do glass >> Well, when the little ones only see women doing stained glass, they start to think in their sweet little minds that if they want to do stained glass they need to be a woman. I have a 4 year old that thinks the same way. He told me one day "when I grow up I want to be a woman"; I asked him why and he replied "so I can do glass." He loves to look at it and he has his favorite color of glass too. One of these days he will hopefully get to see some men do glass so he will know he can do it too when he grows up. Till then I will keep educating him on glass and when he is old enough try to teach him some. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 15:46:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Another instilation/design situation Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:58:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.95858.0> Precedence: bulk C wrote "advise the client of your concerns, but not make any specific recommendations. (In other words, wash your hands of the problem on paper)." For my own tv cabinet, I had the cabinet maker give me the specifications for the two panels I made. The cabinet maker installed. Everything went extremely smoothly...the cabinet maker measured to the sixteenth of the inch, and my glass fit exactly! I don't think this is unreasonable, because the window sill is not built.....let the builder install, and have the builder be responsible for giving the right deminsions...he is in the business. claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 15:53:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG pickups was European Hardware Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: <4.1.19990723144341.009312d0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jul22.162338.0>> Precedence: bulk At 08:40 PM 7/23/99 +0100, Brian the Brit wrote: >Steve wrote > >> In the "civilized" parts of Northern California, I'd guess about half the >> cars on the road are pickups and SUVs. In the mountains, it goes up to >> about 3/4. As a long-time pickup lover, my only question is how do >> Europeans get all their stuff back from Home Depot? ;-) >> >> Steve >> ---- > >Obvious really! > >We hitch a trailer to the Rolls Royce! > >BtB > lol...how silly of me not to think of that!! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 16:07:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Little Kids and Glass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: <4.1.19990723144626.0093a3a0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jul23.175816.0>> Precedence: bulk At 01:58 PM 7/23/99 -0400, Margie wrote: > >Well, when the little ones only see women doing stained glass, they start to >think in their sweet little minds that if they want to do stained glass they >need to be a woman. I have a 4 year old that thinks the same way. He told >me one day "when I grow up I want to be a woman"; I asked him why and he >replied "so I can do glass." He loves to look at it and he has his favorite >color of glass too. > >One of these days he will hopefully get to see some men do glass so he will >know he can do it too when he grows up. > The good news is it's not just a cross-gender thing. My son (at 16, older than the others we've been talking about) finished his first glass project last month. He made a light catcher for the nursery of his history teacher, whose wife gave birth a few months earlier. And at no point did he utter, "I want to be a mommy when I grow up." Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 16:15:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG- No pickups in Europe Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:23:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.102357.0> Precedence: bulk Yeah, how do Europeans haul gravel, horses (with large animal rack), hay, sand, shingle, furniture, and large appliances?....and all the other stuff that only our pickup will do? Even on a flat bed trailer & my car won't haul 2 tons of shingle or a horse on a stock trailer. What about campers & boats? This is spooky...in NM pickups are required, its a cultural thing! I mean there are some cowboys out here that would sit on their spurs rather than give up their truck. Its an old joke, how do you know if the guy wearing the boots is a real cowboy, because he is the one driving the pickup. We own two pickups, one for driving to town, and one for hauling the dirty stuff (like horses that sh*t!) Why it is down right unamerican for them there URO-Peens to not drive pickups! claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 16:32:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: vmodiano@ctronsoft.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Little Kids and Glass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:53:05 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul23.21535.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/23/99 2:14:26 PM Central Daylight Time, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: << Send him over and he can watch an "almost real man" do glass. Just don't blame me when he comes home going "Oh frit!!!!!" >> Just might do that if I wasn't in Texas. That would be a little far to go. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 16:55:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vvm.com!ktjude From: judy novak To: Steve Richard Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Ethics of Another instilation/design situation solution Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:49:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.124941.0> References: <> Organization: calumet farm and studios/glass & goodies Precedence: bulk --------------4C2DEC9B78CF466313F58DF1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Steve, I received many helpful replies and lots of suggestions for group members but ultimately it is my personal responsibility to be true to myself and my clients. It is my way to usually work out all the details before I write the contract so there are no surprises for me or the client. I have had clients read the contract and say "that's just what we talked about, our concerns and everything!" Makes me feel good! Having said that I am going to paste below what I responded to another helpful member in private e-mail. > I agree, I was having a real struggle with the whole design concept, not really the installation because I don't ever do > installation. > I didn't feel confident enough to just tell the client "Look, I am not pleased > with this!". > Well, after all you sweet people gave me input I spent yesterday doing computer > graphics to show them why I didn't like the design concept they had and I made > another pattern (small, sketch) to show them what I would like to do. Money > wise it is about the same. > Well, I called him to day to set up an appointment. I actually told him I was > not happy with the design concept and had some other ideas in mind and would > like to meet with them to explain why. He was so excited! He said how > grateful he was that I cared enough to put that much time in visualizing the > final product. He was sure that the new pattern would be wonderful cause he > thought I was a fine artist! Imagine that! Someone thinking I was a fine > artist and having such confidence in me. Amazing to me! > > I feel prepared for Wednesdays meeting cause I did put in the work and because > he has confidence that I will do a good job! > > So, thank you again for you input and thoughtfulness! I appreciate it! > > And Steve, I hope I have answered your thought provoking question. :) > I appreciate your response also! This is a great group of people. judy novak Steve Richard wrote: > The reply below would be an effective way of dumping the problem. > I wonder how "ethical" people feel it to be. > > Is it appropriate to "merely" build the window, leaving all the > installation problems to the client. How will the client's solutions > affect the building of the window? How will your decisions on building > the window affect the client's ability to install the window? will a > window and an opening conceived separately be an effective piece of > architectural glass? Etc. > > Steve --------------4C2DEC9B78CF466313F58DF1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Steve,

I received many helpful replies and lots of suggestions for group members but ultimately it is my personal responsibility to be true to myself and my clients. It is my way to usually work out all the details before I write the contract so there are no surprises for me or the client.  I have had clients read the contract and say "that's just what we talked about, our concerns and everything!"  Makes me feel good!

Having said that I am going to paste below what I responded to another helpful member in private e-mail. 

I agree, I was having a real struggle with the whole design concept, not really the installation because I don't ever do
installation.
I didn't feel confident enough to just tell the client "Look, I am not pleased
with this!".
Well, after all you sweet people gave me input I spent yesterday doing computer
graphics to show them why I didn't like the design concept they had and I made
another pattern (small, sketch) to show them what I would like to do.   Money
wise it is about the same.
Well, I called him to day to set up an appointment. I actually told him I was
not happy with the design concept and had some other ideas in mind and would
like to meet with them to explain why.   He was so excited!  He said how
grateful he was that I cared enough to put that much time in visualizing the
final product.  He was sure that the new pattern would be wonderful cause he
thought I was a fine artist!    Imagine that!  Someone thinking I was a fine
artist and having such confidence in me.   Amazing to me!

I feel prepared for Wednesdays meeting cause I did put in the work and because
he has confidence that I will do a good job!

So, thank you again for you input and thoughtfulness!  I appreciate it!
And Steve, I hope I have answered your thought provoking question. :)
I appreciate your response also!  This is a great group of people.

judy novak
 

Steve Richard wrote:

The reply below would be an effective way of dumping the problem.
I wonder how "ethical" people feel it to be.

Is it appropriate to "merely" build the window, leaving all the
installation problems to the client.  How will the client's solutions
affect the building of the window?  How will your decisions on building
the window affect the client's ability to install the window? will a
window and an opening conceived separately be an effective piece of
architectural glass?  Etc.

Steve

--------------4C2DEC9B78CF466313F58DF1-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 16:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ethics of Another instilation/design situation solution Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:50:33 -0700 Message-ID: <199907232250.PAA20567@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk Steve...if you read the reply closely...I stated I'd also make the client aware of my concerns, therefore I think my suggested course of action is an ethical one. Making the window WITHOUT voicing my concerns would, IMHO, be unethical. As a businessperson, I cannot prevent people from making poor decisions, but I can certainly provide information to guide them in their decision making AND then protect myself in writing from the reprecussions of their poor decisions. Just wanted to clarify that I did NOT advocate dumping the problem! Carol >The reply below would be an effective way of dumping the problem. >I wonder how "ethical" people feel it to be. > >Is it appropriate to "merely" build the window, leaving all the >installation problems to the client. How will the client's solutions >affect the building of the window? How will your decisions on building >the window affect the client's ability to install the window? will a >window and an opening conceived separately be an effective piece of >architectural glass? Etc. > >Steve >In message <199907221442.HAA05182@mimas.island.net>, seaspray@island.net >writes >>>We have been asked to design and install a 3'x3' window panel. The >>>tricky part is - the client is going to build the house and wants the >>>window done ahead of time. The house plans are completed and everything >>>is awaiting a start date of May. >>>The window is for a bathroom suit which will contain 1 other window made >>>of "glass bricks and has dimensions of $'x4'. the client wants window >>>panel inserted in a frame of the glass bricks "for continuity". >>>My first inclination was to tell him to have the window inserted with >>>molding as per any other instillation. In thinking about it ( yea, I do >>>have a thinking disorder!!!:) ) I believe that would leave a large >>>ledge either on the inside or outside of the insulation >>>(condensation mess). It will also be difficult to design the window to >>>aesthetically match with the grouting necessary in the glass bricks. I >>>am not even sure of the dimensions of the glass bricks and the grouting >>>so as to space my design and rebar as aesthetic as possible. >>>The client requested the design be of "dogwoods". We have explored >>>several designs and have preliminary approval but I want to know more >>>about the instillation before I go ahead and make a final design. The >>>design will be lead construction, have a central 21 " design of dogwood >>>blossoms and a bird encircled in bevels, with dogwoods as a border >>>filling in the 3' frame. >>>Any experience? Any suggestions? >> >>Hi Judy >> >>I would make the window to the client's specification and in my written >>contract specify that client provided the panel sizes for construction and >>that the client is responsible for installation...thereby leaving >>responsibility in THEIR hands once you deliver it. I'd also advise the >>client of your concerns, but not make any specific recommendations. (In >>other words, wash your hands of the problem on paper) >> >>C. >> >>Carol Swann >>Synergy Glass & Creative >>http://www.igga.org/synergy >>seaspray@island.net >> >>check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >>http://come.to/The_E-Tour >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >-- >Steve Richard >Verrier Art Glass Ltd >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > > Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 17:07:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Claudette Jaramillo" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG- No pickups in Europe Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:27:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.9277.0> References: <<1999Jul23.102357.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Why are cowboy hats turned up on the sides? So three of 'em can sit next to each other in the cab of a pickup truck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Claudette Jaramillo To: Bungi Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 3:23 PM Subject: NG- No pickups in Europe > Yeah, how do Europeans haul gravel, horses (with large animal rack), hay, > sand, shingle, furniture, and large appliances?....and all the other stuff > that only our pickup will do? Even on a flat bed trailer & my car won't > haul 2 tons of shingle or a horse on a stock trailer. What about campers & > boats? This is spooky...in NM pickups are required, its a cultural thing! > I mean there are some cowboys out here that would sit on their spurs rather > than give up their truck. Its an old joke, how do you know if the guy > wearing the boots is a real cowboy, because he is the one driving the > pickup. We own two pickups, one for driving to town, and one for hauling > the dirty stuff (like horses that sh*t!) Why it is down right unamerican > for them there URO-Peens to not drive pickups! claudette > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 17:17:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Flux on tools and hello Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:08:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199907232315.XAA14376@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Young Ryan Modiani sonds OK to me and I shall look forward to meeting him at Glass Visions ;-> After all, the manyfolded, many-faceted serious representatives will have to think REAL hard, when confronted with a perfectly natural question "BUT WHY?" from a 4-yearl old, that a 40-year old would long to ask, but doesn't DARE..... Good on ya, Ryan!! Love from Elisabeth 'n Toby Across The Pond (Count-down has started!!!!! Suitcases now down from the attic!!) > > Suzanne isn't the only one with an aspiring glass artist. > > I let Ryan, turned 4 last May, "burnish" a sun catcher I made for his > teacher. He liked it and wanted to do more so I also let him steel wool the > back of a lead casting. Now he wants to help daddy make more stained glass. > Not to mention go to the stained glass store again. (We had stopped by WC on > the way to the Amish country last year.). When Ryan heard me tell some about > Glass Visions he said "You take me too?". > > I might be able to convince Mr. Warner that a 14 year old is old enough to > come, but a 4 year old will be real tough. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 17:58:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: vmodiano@ctronsoft.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG designer asbestos suits Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:29:08 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul24.0298.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/21/99 10:34:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: > I'd like to thank Charles Warner for the name of his tailor that makes > Asbestos Suit, what the well dressed bungi man wears. Any chance he has a > booth at GV '99? Great, another bungi man heading for the fashion runways in Paris, Milan, New York and Allentown, will this trend never end??? I'll be looking for you boys in GQ. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 18:55:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Claudette Jaramillo , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG- No pickups in Europe Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul23.164627.0> Precedence: bulk You said it all girl!! I have 3 grown children, a brother, sister and father that would have a tough time if they couldn't "borrow the truck". It has hauled furniture, wood, glass, sand, gravel, kids, and just about anything else that will fit. It's a 92 Chev sportside with 128,OOO miles and looks like the day I bought it (in CA btw Steve) and has survived the Ohio winters well. So yall make fun if you want, but don't be insulted when I don't let you borrow the truck when you need it. ;-) Hey Bud, do you hitch it to the Rolls, or does the driver do it for you? Rick --- Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > Yeah, how do Europeans haul gravel, horses (with > large animal rack), hay, > sand, shingle, furniture, and large > appliances?....and all the other stuff > that only our pickup will do? Even on a flat bed > trailer & my car won't > haul 2 tons of shingle or a horse on a stock > trailer. What about campers & > boats? This is spooky...in NM pickups are required, > its a cultural thing! > I mean there are some cowboys out here that would > sit on their spurs rather > than give up their truck. Its an old joke, how do > you know if the guy > wearing the boots is a real cowboy, because he is > the one driving the > pickup. We own two pickups, one for driving to > town, and one for hauling > the dirty stuff (like horses that sh*t!) Why it is > down right unamerican > for them there URO-Peens to not drive pickups! > claudette > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 19:00:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:49:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rainbows-and-moonbeams.com!rhiannon From: rhiannon To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: UNSUSCRIBE Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990723205209.007a8ea0@rainbows-and-moonbeams.com> Precedence: bulk Unsuscribe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 19:06:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: Rickola@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG hey jude done with c(gl)ass Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:14:46 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul24.11446.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/23/99 2:38:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Rickola@aol.com writes: > So, with apologies to Lennon, McCartney et al, and to all Bungi ears, here > goes nothin' I loved it......sat here and sang along IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 19:56:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Rick" , Subject: Re: NG- No pickups in Europe Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.1881.0> Precedence: bulk Rick, Sounds good to me. I have my Jaguarmobile (teal blue, with recent paint job) GMC Sonoma long bed, 175,000+ miles that I call my mall runner. It hauls everything. Neighbors know any time any where I will pick up mulch, wood, rocks, glass what have you. Also I don't have any trouble finding parking spaces as I don't happen to care if I am close to the next car in a teeny tiny narrow parking space. Then we have a new RED! Dodge Ram 1500 that I love driving as it rides so high, it is used for a 100 mile a day commute. And then we have a German 4 door sedan that makes it out of the garage once in a while to keep the battery from going dead, and when we haul people. We could not live without a truck. Our experience, that a Corvette and a BMW could not haul any mulch at all. So we dumped them..... :-) Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Rick To: Claudette Jaramillo ; Bungi Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 9:59 PM Subject: Re: NG- No pickups in Europe >You said it all girl!! I have 3 grown children, a >brother, sister and father that would have a tough >time if they couldn't "borrow the truck". It has >hauled furniture, wood, glass, sand, gravel, kids, and >just about anything else that will fit. It's a 92 >Chev sportside with 128,OOO miles and looks like the >day I bought it (in CA btw Steve) and has survived the >Ohio winters well. So yall make fun if you want, but >don't be insulted when I don't let you borrow the >truck when you need it. ;-) Hey Bud, do you hitch it >to the Rolls, or does the driver do it for you? >Rick > >--- Claudette Jaramillo wrote: >> Yeah, how do Europeans haul gravel, horses (with >> large animal rack), hay, >> sand, shingle, furniture, and large >> appliances?....and all the other stuff >> that only our pickup will do? Even on a flat bed >> trailer & my car won't >> haul 2 tons of shingle or a horse on a stock >> trailer. What about campers & >> boats? This is spooky...in NM pickups are required, >> its a cultural thing! >> I mean there are some cowboys out here that would >> sit on their spurs rather >> than give up their truck. Its an old joke, how do >> you know if the guy >> wearing the boots is a real cowboy, because he is >> the one driving the >> pickup. We own two pickups, one for driving to >> town, and one for hauling >> the dirty stuff (like horses that sh*t!) Why it is >> down right unamerican >> for them there URO-Peens to not drive pickups! >> claudette >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: >> glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: >> glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >=== >http://home.fuse.net/crafts > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 20:24:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: KSee...saying hi. Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:16:52 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul24.21652.0> References: <<1999Jul21.164920.0>> Precedence: bulk Ah another upstate NYer, welcome aboard. But with 10 kids how do you have time for stained glass? I live in Central NY near Utica. What part of the St. Lawrence are you near? I am curious because when I do get up north I may want to peruse the glass shops, we don't have many around here. Again welcome, Caren ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 20:59:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:43:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Soraya" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: European Hardware Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:42:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.184233.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Soraya" >Don't think you can say "europeans think pick-up trucks are insane" as a= general comment.< Don't think you can lump "Europeans" together at all..... having been born and raised in Germany, lived in Austria for a short while, have lots of pals from = various Euro-lands.... there are significant cultural differences. I remember growing up when the coolest thing ever in Germany was to have a caddy convertible... no matter how much of a gas hog it was! And, you're right, every one of my cousins = would love to have a pick-up truck... except the nationalist-types who work for VW! Guess what they drive.....they would not drive a "foreign" auto for love or money. Most of my family over there is white collar..... not born to money since they were all refugees from Prussia but pretty high standards of living by our measures.... all of them have pretty much what we have over here, except maybe not "biggie-sized". I think it would be fair to say that each nationality in Europe probably does a few things better than anyone else in the world. You just can't generalize when it comes to humans..... Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 23 21:06:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:54:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Rick Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG- No pickups in Europe Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:51:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.185134.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Rick >So yall make fun if you want, but don't be insulted when I don't let you borrow the truck when you need it. ;-)< I couldn't live without a pick-up truck.... next best thing to a boom lift. :-D And I'd be willing to bet ours is alot uglier than yours! Now if only autos over here were a little more quiet..... Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 02:32:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Rick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG- No pickups in Europe Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:21:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul23.142140.0> References: <<1999Jul23.164627.0>> Precedence: bulk Rick wrote: > You said it all girl!! I have 3 grown children, a > brother, sister and father that would have a tough > time if they couldn't "borrow the truck". It has > hauled furniture, wood, glass, sand, gravel, kids, and > just about anything else that will fit. It's a 92 > Chev sportside with 128,OOO miles and looks like the > day I bought it (in CA btw Steve) and has survived the > Ohio winters well. So yall make fun if you want, but > don't be insulted when I don't let you borrow the > truck when you need it. ;-) Hey Bud, do you hitch it > to the Rolls, or does the driver do it for you? > Rick The most interesting pickup truck driver I've met to date was a guy living in Texas, right outside of Denton (not far from Dallas) by the name of Gerald Kleinsteuber. As I recall (this goes back to the mid 70's), he had two pickups of the heavy-duty variety. He was a real character ... very outspoken and gregarious (which is probably why we got along ). Though of average height (well maybe a little on the short side), he was a big guy with wide shoulders and a big belly ... he probably weighed in at around 220-250, with a big wide florid face that always seemed to have a smile on it and little "piglike" eyes that were nevertheless completely alive, always darting around, and full of intelligence. He was completely full of life. Except for the eyes, you've probably seen guys like him in the movies ... at first glance he looked like a butcher actually. The bases of his hands were not that large though kind of thick. Normally guys like him have those stubby fat little fingers but his, though fat, were uncommonly long. I noticed over time that I never ever saw him without a kind of wrist bandage on each wrist. I got to know him outside of work one day (a long story, we'll skip this part) by a chance meeting and we just got along ... you know how it is ... sometimes you meet people by chance and you just get along. He had his own ranch (not sure how big it actually was) ... though he had hired hands to do most of the real work (or so he said). Turns out that he had those pickups for a reason other than ranch work. He was a professor of music at NTSU in Denton, Texas and his instrument was the harp. I later took a summer course in music theory from him just because I liked him though I was actually going to another school up the road a piece in Sherman. He had 6 harps altogether (as I recall) and always had at least one with him in the truck, usually two. If you've ever seen an orchestral harp, up close, you know that he needed that truck . In addition to being incredibly expensive, those things are heavy. You've undoubtedly heard him perform as for many many years he was one of the most highly sought after harp players for movies, TV, commercials (those three pay the best) and various orchestras around the world (orchestras don't pay enough to feed the chickens much less put meat on the table). Ya jist niver no 'bout de folks ya meet. To a casual observer, this guy looked just like a typical hardheaded bigbellied Texas redneck in a pickup ... but reality of the man was somewhat different. Anyway ... a nice bedtime story ... funny how this talk of pickup trucks reminded me of him ... haven't thought about him for ages. I gotta go ... and WE (especially me) have to get back to glass ..... regards to all ... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 07:32:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Making your own accessories Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:35:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.53557.0> Precedence: bulk We're in the summer doldrums, me thinks. For most of the USA, the heat just goes on and on. So we're talking about pickup trucks in Europe. (Personally, I crave a van. Lots of room and you don't have to worry about going to a craft show in the rain or snow...and you can use it on vacation as a camper.) Anyway, I wonder how many of you make your own wooden accessories such as fan lamp bases, frames. etc... I've been thinking about how doing one craft often compels one to learn other things. Looking at the wooden items we tuck glass into, I'd say woodworking was a natural. And that's the most profound thought I can manage on a day when it's going to be 90+ and I have to go buy solder! Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 08:04:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:47:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Bye for a while! Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:44:38 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.94438.0> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians, Bungites, Bungers? I just wanted to say a big thank you for the last year or so I've been on this list. I'm unsubbing for a while because my computer is returning to its rightful owner, and I shall be internet-less for at least a little while! (OMG, I have to return to that strange and frightening "real world" ! how will I ever cope? =8-0) Just wanted to thank every one of you for the advice, knowledge, and laughter you've shared with me. Best to all, Katie Kariva Splash! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 09:34:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Kiln Work Slides/Submissions Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:40:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.14054.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Artists/MM LTD. Precedence: bulk This came across our message board and thought some of you might be interested. Kiln work slides Sunday, 18-Jul-1999 11:23:53 Message: 209.53.102.53 writes: Hello all, I am looking for slides of contemporary kiln work, fusing, slumping, casting, enamelling, paradise paint, etc. Any process involving glass and kilns. These slides will be shown to students and other glass artists and no commercial use will be made of them. Some of them will be shown at the Millenium Glass Conference 2000, the conference of the Glass Art Association of Canada to be held in Red Deer, Alberta, May 11-14, 2000. Up to 20 slides per person may be sent to: Brock Craig 201-809 West 16th St. North Vancouver, B.C. V7P 1R2 Please email me if you wish to discuss this . < craig_studios@bc.sympatico.ca > Thanks, Brock Craig P.S. If anyone has been trying to get ahold of me forgive the delay. I've been moving my office and finally finished up yesterday. I'll answer you as fast as I can considering I've got about 450 emails :) Good Saturday to all! Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.stainedglassartists.com/MM_Ltd.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 09:49:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!romarah From: robert omarah To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: KSee...saying hi. Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:39:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.63912.0> References: <<1999Jul24.21652.0>> Precedence: bulk mschatee@juno.com wrote: > > Ah another upstate NYer, welcome aboard. But with 10 kids how do you > have time for stained glass? > I live in Central NY near Utica. What part of the St. Lawrence are you > near? I am curious because when I do get up north I may want to peruse > the glass shops, we don't have many around here. > > Again welcome, > > Caren Caren, I live up near Ogdensburg. And on rt37 between Ogdensburg and Waddington, on the river side, we have a small but great place to buy everything. Plus many ideas for new pieces all over the place. She does great work. She keeps her prices down low compared to going over to Canada, even with the exchanges. Her name is Sharon Cook and her phone number is (315) 388-4636. Give her a call to make sure that she is open. I think she only takes one day off, mondays, but could be wrong. Or let me know and I will be going over soon and will find out for you. She is so helpful and sweet. As you drive from Ogd. towards Wadd. you will see a bed and breakfast plus they have a small store/restraurant on the left. She is the very next driveway on the left. Love the shop that her husband built for her. I will be going to Utica in a couple weeks. Visit a craft store that is there...A.C. Moore. Do you have any special glass stores in your area? Any good ones? Would love to see them. Buy the way as to my having time...I own a very very small used car dealership on my property where I live (only 3 cars right now). So as I wait for customers I do all sorts of fun things. Stained glass, pottery, painting, etc. My husband retires in six months and we decided that this would be a great way to earn extra money and when we want to travel or whatever we can just pull the cars off the lot and have fun. Hard to retire on what the companys are paying...most need an extra income. Our children are all grown up so not as demanding on our time as before. And now that I work at home where before I worked all over the area, I have lots of free time. Only problem with 10 families...what ever I make doesn't stay here for very long. LOL I only have one box that I made here. And that's becouse one of the grandchildren cracked the top. Otherwise it would be gone...don't think I will fix it as then it will also disappear. Boy, am I chattering on and on. If you want any more information on the shop or want to stop by and chit chat while you are going through just let me know. Hugs, Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 10:05:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG- No pickups in Europe Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:45:55 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul24.154555.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/23/99 7:17:05 PM, cpjaram@7cities.net writes: >Yeah, how do Europeans haul gravel, horses (with large animal rack), hay, >sand, shingle, furniture, and large appliances?....and all the other stuff >that only our pickup will do? Call me crazy, but for several years I managed quite well with a Plymouth Horizon - even towed a small trailer with it getting to and from upper New York State when my other half was managing a summer music festival up there. Once I learned that "if you drive too fast while pulling a loaded trailer, you'll shred your tires," it worked just fine. Just bought a used van last fall...... Ahhhhhhh, home sweet home-away-from-home! Sparks with a load of "Nursery Stone" stacking concrete blocks in the back of said van, waiting for me to get off my butt and go out and build that retaining wall in the front yard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 10:17:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Family Account" Subject: Re: Making your own accessories Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:03:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.8322.0> Precedence: bulk Dorothy, Yep, I am going to try and learn to make simple routed framing for my glass, and also making fan lamp bases and just plain bases. I have taught glass to a gal that does wood and in return she is going to show me how to do it. She has all the tools and they for now do my wood stuff. A couple of weeks ago she and her husband routed and we cut and finished frames on all the glass I have hanging around the house. Simple 1 1/2 pine, routed in the middle for glass and miter cut and put together. It was a fun project, and I watched as her husband routed out the channel for the glass. I am scouting pawn shops for a router and router table, and a compound miter saw. But I have a feeling if I don't find anything that Santa might pick up the slack. So the only thing left is to start saving up for router bits and off I go. Once I get going I will be more than glad to share what I learn. By the way her husband under her tutelage made us each a half dozen fan lamp bases a week ago, and it was just cutting the wood in squares and then making them the shape you want, and then routing and putting the glass channel in and hole for lite. I was impressed. So it seems simple enough, I have been hanging out watching. And they said when I get my own tools they will supervise until I get the knack. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 10:41 AM Subject: Making your own accessories >We're in the summer doldrums, me thinks. For most of the USA, the heat >just goes on and on. So we're talking about pickup trucks in Europe. >(Personally, I crave a van. Lots of room and you don't have to worry >about going to a craft show in the rain or snow...and you can use it on >vacation as a camper.) > >Anyway, I wonder how many of you make your own wooden accessories such >as fan lamp bases, frames. etc... I've been thinking about how doing >one craft often compels one to learn other things. Looking at the >wooden items we tuck glass into, I'd say woodworking was a natural. > >And that's the most profound thought I can manage on a day when it's >going to be 90+ and I have to go buy solder! > >Dorothy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 12:13:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Making your own accessories Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:56:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.25643.0> References: <<1999Jul24.53557.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > > Anyway, I wonder how many of you make your own wooden accessories such > as fan lamp bases, frames. etc... I've been thinking about how doing > one craft often compels one to learn other things. Looking at the > wooden items we tuck glass into, I'd say woodworking was a natural. > interesting thought this...out of nowhere my six year old daughter wants to learn woodworking...probably its genetic...I used to play around with my dads tools when I was a kid...I made a stool and a few other things....no one ever told me girls werent supposed to have this interest. Of course as an ADULT now I have this phobia of power tools that someone is going to cut a finger off or something...I've read too much readers digest or something. As for one hobby leading to another....in the endless quest to find some sort of physical activity that is actually FUN as opposed to the sheer torture of aerobics classes...anyway...somewhere in there someone suggested I might try belly dancing...which is not a bad idea...looks like much more fun than being told how fat you are by a sticklike gym rat a couple of times a week. But anyway..in my web search I have come to the realization that most belly dancers also sew....no doubt because the costumes get very expensive if you dont make your own. A thought that strikes fear into my heart since I sewed my finger to the machine in seventh grade home ec. It is odd for someone who likes all kinds of other crafts I just have this mental block about sewing. Liz > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 12:13:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:21:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Making your own accessories Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: <4.1.19990724100715.009312e0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jul24.53557.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:35 AM 7/24/99 -0400, Dorothy wrote: > >Anyway, I wonder how many of you make your own wooden accessories such >as fan lamp bases, frames. etc... I've been thinking about how doing >one craft often compels one to learn other things. Looking at the >wooden items we tuck glass into, I'd say woodworking was a natural. > I make my own frames but haven't attempted lamp bases yet. I actually got into woodworking before glass. I agree that they are a natural combination. And since I've got a garage full of power tools...why is Tim Allen and Home Improvement creeping into my consciousness?...I figure I ought to use them. There's an incredible glass artist in the Sierra Nevada mountains named Bill Poulson who has a studio near our cabin. I've talk with him a bunch. His showpiece is a 14' x 8' scene of Yosemite. (If you know anyone with a spare $100,000, I'll broker the sale.) He's gotten into woodworking and is currently more interested in that than the glass the woodwork contains. He's done some really beautiful room dividers with carved frames and equally amazing lamps that combine slumped glass with custom bases. Great glasswork with great woodworking makes for a fine looking product. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 12:25:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!romarah From: robert omarah To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Solder Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:13:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.9131.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I have a question. Everytime that I go to my local glass shop and ask to purchase lead free solder, which she has in stock, she says that it is very very hard to use and doesn't look very good when done. So I haven't purchased any so far. But, for Christmas this year I would love to make large fruit dishes for some of my children and can't use my regular lead solder. Have any of you used the lead free and have you found it to be hard to use and does it look just as great as the other? Thank you for any help on this subject. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 13:11:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!sarachildress From: Sara Childress To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hello from kentucky Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul24.105245.0> Precedence: bulk Just moved to northern Kentucky area....staying with friends until I can get my shop and house (and computer) set up. Happy to be with here, but will be lurking for a few weeks... just wanted to say hi. Sara _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 14:29:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!sarachildress From: Sara Childress To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hello again(?) from kentucky Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul24.122629.0> Precedence: bulk hi all, Apologize if this is a repost. not too experienced with lists and think I made a mistake sending the first one earlier. Just moved to northern Kentucky area.....staying with friends until I can get my shop and house (and computer) set up. Happy to be here, but will be lurking for a few weeks... just wanted to say hi. Sara (returning to lurking mode) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 15:22:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!romarah From: robert omarah To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead free solder thank you Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:32:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.123232.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you so much for the quick replys...I am going to go ahead and take a try at using the solder. Guess it will probably just take me awhile to get the hang of it. Thanks again. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 16:53:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: robert omarah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead free solder thank you Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:17:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.131724.0> References: <<1999Jul24.123232.0>> Precedence: bulk Did every one reply privately? Hmmmm...I'd like to know what they said... can you forward some of them to me, Please? I figure it just takes practice like anything else in stained glass. I intend to use some soon. You know...Im surely gonna make some jewelry as soon as I make a worthy bead or two! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 17:52:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: access.net.au!annieg From: "agregory" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lead free solder thank you Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:01:53 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.20153.0> References: <<1999Jul24.131724.0>> Precedence: bulk Must have, I'd love to see the replies also. Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: robert omarah Sent: Sunday, 25 July 1999 9:17 AM Subject: Re: lead free solder thank you > Did every one reply privately? > > Hmmmm...I'd like to know what they said... > can you forward some of them to me, Please? > > I figure it just takes practice like anything else in stained glass. > I intend to use some soon. You know...Im surely gonna make some jewelry > as soon as I make a worthy bead or two! ;o) > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 24 20:47:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Solder Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul24.165513.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry! I always forget that my replies on Bungi only go to the sender, unless I make it otherwise. For what it's worth... here's my reply. Blake :-) >Hi Sue. > >Personally, I hate using lead free solder, but I do use it on items that I >feel it's necessary. >(ie.- chain pulls for ceiling fans, earrings, necklaces, or anything that >will be handled alot, or will hold food) >It just seems that it takes a little bit more work, to create a proper bead, >and the texture of the bead isn't what I usually hope for. BUT... I have >used it on several things that I felt were inappropriate for lead solder, >and I continue to do so. > >It's not a complete nightmare... it's just a little bit harder to work, and >it cost's a little more. > >Go ahead and buy a roll, if for no other reasons than to experiment, and >have it on hand. >I certainly make sure I always have it around if I need it. > >Hope this helps. >Blake >:-) > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: robert omarah >To: bungi >Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 2:31 PM >Subject: Solder > > >>Hi everyone, >> I have a question. Everytime that I go to my local glass shop and ask >>to purchase lead free solder, which she has in stock, she says that it >>is very very hard to use and doesn't look very good when done. So I >>haven't purchased any so far. But, for Christmas this year I would love >>to make large fruit dishes for some of my children and can't use my >>regular lead solder. Have any of you used the lead free and have you >>found it to be hard to use and does it look just as great as the other? >> Thank you for any help on this subject. >> >>Sue >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 02:31:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: enterprise.net!robertcbullock From: "Robert. C. Bullock." To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: NG-No pickups in Europe. Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:19:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.101917.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BED67E.C55A37C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been doing glass for twenty odd years and have always needed a van = or pickup for delivery and to carry all my tools. Pickups have always been available but I never opted for one. It's makes = more sense for me to have a large van. We have lots of rain on the island (Isle of Man - UK) where I live so = everything keeps dry, plus, I can build a sloping rack and install it = inside the van to support panels when travelling. If I need supplies for building or need to carry timber I can either put = the stuff inside or on the roof rack.=20 As I say, pickups are readily available and lots of people use them it = just seems less hassle when it's wet weather. Robert. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BED67E.C55A37C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been doing glass for twenty odd = years and=20 have always needed a van or pickup for delivery and to carry all my=20 tools.
Pickups have always been available = but I never=20 opted for one. It's makes more sense for me to have a large = van.
We have lots of rain on the island = (Isle of Man=20 - UK) where I live so everything keeps dry, plus, I can build a sloping rack and install it inside the van to = support=20 panels when travelling.
If I need supplies for building or need to carry = timber I can=20 either put the stuff inside or on the roof rack.
As I say, pickups are readily available and lots of = people use=20 them it just seems less hassle when it's wet weather.
Robert.
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BED67E.C55A37C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 04:18:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: romarah@northnet.org Subject: Glass In Utica Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 06:39:30 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul25.103930.0> References: <<1999Jul24.21652.0>>> Precedence: bulk Hi Sue, Sounds like you've got it all together. Unfortunately when I get up north it's usually towards Alex Bay, I haven't been near Ogdensburg in years but I may keep it in mind. Thanks for the directions, etc. When you head down to Utica plan on taking a ride over to the Meyda Tiffinay Stained Glass. It's not far from A.C. Moore, which I love but unfortunately has NOTHING Stained Glass related at all. (Except for those faux stained glass paint on plastic). They do have the supplies for etching on glass, the chemicals and patterns, but alas no glass. THere are no stained glass suppliers in Utica at all. THe Meyda Studio on on Oriskinay Blvd. Not far from Riverside Center where you will be. If you want exact directions let me know and I will email you, I don't want to bore the list with directions. I can imagine with all those kids and grandkids that you have nothing of your own. I only have 3 things of my own, my first panel, my first lead panel and one more piece. Otherwise everything else I've made is gone too. I can't even keep a stinking ornament or suncatcher for myself, everytime someone compliments something I say here take it. But that's okay, that's where the pleasure continues after the glass is complete. Well Sue, enjoy and get ready for retirement, it certainly sounds like you and your husband deserve it. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 12:35:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with door (more) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:04:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.5412.0> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk One note I forgot. When buying any European hardware (including the dampening hinges I was talking about). The Europian countersinking standard is 90 degree. The American (ANSI) standard is 82 degrees. So American wood screws will not seat properly in Europian hardware. It will look like the screw is not in all the way. When you try to tighten the screw more you will probably shear it off. Any good 82 degree countersink can be used to quickly change the countersinking angle of the hole. This will correct the problem. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 12:46:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Making your own accessories Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:17:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.41753.0> References: <<1999Jul24.53557.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk All the time! But then I am a wood worker who got into stained glass. Wood begets glass, glass begets wood. And next you will be wanting to do your own metal work. Watch out - it may never stop... ----- Original Message ----- From: Family Account To: Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 6:35 AM Subject: Making your own accessories ... > > Anyway, I wonder how many of you make your own wooden accessories such > as fan lamp bases, frames. etc... I've been thinking about how doing > one craft often compels one to learn other things. Looking at the > wooden items we tuck glass into, I'd say woodworking was a natural. > ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 12:47:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!sarachildress From: Sara Childress To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hello from kentucky Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul25.105710.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Debbie, Okay, a glass shop so close. I'm not familiar with the area yet --not even for sure if I will stay here. Just got a divorce and staying with friends to get pointed in some direction (hopefully the right one :-) ). I'm kinda new to glass, took some classes, made a few things... but thinking I need to get seriously creative as a kind of therapy (love to create and float away from everything). I left a lot of my glass and stuff behind, but I'm here to learn ...maybe someeday I will be able to help someone else. Nice meeting ya, debbie....thanx would love to hear about others (and shops) in the area too. Sara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I'm an idealist. I don't know where I'm going, but I'm on my way." carl sandburg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- Debbie Taylor wrote: > sara > welcome aboard > i am debbie ... i have a small studio right across > the river in cincinnati > .. glad to have someone else so close! > thanx > debbie > > > debbie taylor > > taylor'd Expressions > "Your complete art glass supply source." > kleeman@one.net > http://www.taylordexpressions.com/ > 1-888-488-9616 (toll free) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sara Childress > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 2:52 PM > Subject: hello from kentucky > > > > > > Just moved to northern Kentucky area....staying > with friends until I > > can get my shop and house (and computer) set up. > Happy to be with here, > > but will be lurking for a few weeks... just wanted > to say hi. > > Sara > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 13:02:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:00:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.508.0> References: <<1999Jul25.340.0>> Precedence: bulk Mm... a friend of mine who built a 10x20' shed on the rear of his property (in an unincorporated rural area), for the purpose of housing his HO guage model railroad system, said shed meeting all county codes for height, size, and setback, was given nothing but grief from a neighbor who complained that the sight of the shed ruined his view, and wanted my friend to do something artistic. So my friend painted the side of the shed which was in the neighbor's view a flaming fluorescent green and added orange stripes. Very artistic indeed. (grin) regards, Cheryl Ryder Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > Dee Thompson wrote: > > > > >I sometimes wonder if it isn't like raising chickens...if they are kept too > > >close to each other they all start peckin' on each other. > > > > I just remembered a house I saw in a little mountain town in Pa when I was > > a child...plenty of room to spread out and no one too close but the story > > was the owner was P.O.'d with his neighbors so he painted polka dots all > > over his 3 story house...big pink and purple and yellow, perfectly round, > > spots! > > He must have been really mad to go to all that work. > > Dee > > ---- > > love it love it love it:) > > Liz > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 13:39:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Albuquerquen Travellers Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:37:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.53747.0> References: <<1999Jul21.1565.0>> Precedence: bulk Dear Claudette and everyone on Bungi, What a lovely note to come home to! We just arrived home and (after tossing the unpacked bags into the bedroom and popping the top off a cold root beer), I ran upstairs to see what I'd missed on Bungi....and found your wonderful description of our visit together last Tuesday in Albuquerque NM. Claudette is a lovely and vivaceous person, withg striking salt 'n pepper hair, who's creativity, artistry, and execution of her glass projects indicate someone of many more than her one year's learning and doing. How many newbies tackle kiln work right off? Or take an iron-working class to learn how to make and weld their own frames for large pieces. My husband and I were so inspired!! Claudette shared photos with us of some of her works...a large Sunflower window made in 3-dimensions with it's own very artistic metal frame, a wonderful rectangular mirror completely framed in slumped ivy leaves that look so real. I've had an idea for a similar project running around in the back of my head for a couple of years now, and had not tackled it because I had no faith in myself that I would be able to manage the metal work. "Well, (I said to myself) , if Claudette can, well, then maybe I can too.!" She has made wonderful things. She shared with us the photos of the Southwestern sidelights she'd made for her front entry, and my goodness, I couldn't have tackled something so large, or done such a beautiful job as my second student project. And her work is being accepted into juried shows already! During our meeting I could feel her excitement, her positive attitude, and her love of glass and it was just a pure pleasure to have our visit in Albuquerque NM start off so warmly. Claudette is a teacher, and she shares what she learns with "her kids." She taught them how to make fused glass jewelry for their mothers for Mother's Day, and was wearing a couple of items that her school kids had made. She said that these were the pieces that her kids had not felt were good enough to take home to their Moms. Well, I thought they were beautiful, and they show how much caring and effort Claudette gives to her kids at school. Claudette, her teacher, and several other glass artists in the Grant's New Mexico area have formed a local guild, and are doing a lot to advance the art of glass work in that community, through classes, fairs, and public art projects. I am so grateful for the Bungi mailing list. For the advice, the tips, the humor, and the opportunity to occasionally meet the wonderful people with whom I've been corresponding. Thank you Claudette, for stretching your day a little longer so that we could meet, and for making Marty and myself feel very welcomed in Albuquerque. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder home again in Fremont, CA Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > I met Marty and Cheryl Ryder a few blocks from their hotel in Albuquerque > for a glass of ice tea yesterday. They are visiting NM (from Oakland, CA) > for a few days. I can't tell you how much fun we had sharing glass pictures > of our work. Cheryl has the most incredible blue eyes and is so easy to > talk with. Marty is the quiet one, but really lights up when talking about > glass. Marty understands the technical side of glass and Cheryl the art. > Cheryl and Marty have done some excellent work. I fell in love with > everything. I liked that they work as a team which I am sure allows them to > tackle their very sophisticated projects with thousands of pieces! As a > newbie, I was thrilled to be able to see such fine work and be able to ask > questions to real people. We talked for two hours and the conversation > never lagged...the only reason it ended is because we each had other > obligations. But we were worse than grandparents talking about our > grandchildren, as we each described and talked about our work. Cheryl said > they should be putting some pictures on the net soon. If so, you really > must see thier "chile" lamp that they spent 7 months of their lives doing! > I don't think a Tiffany-type wisteria could compare! Of course being from > NM, I have a passion for good chile! > > I was truly inspired! I am so anxious to do glass this morning. What a > lift! > > Bungi has provided me with this unique warm experience to get to know some > pretty talented and wonderful people from two states over. I think the > world of email is making our world smaller and more personable. I am very > thankful that someone or someones in the guild who thought to start this > listserv!!! cj > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 13:47:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Making your own accessories Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:48:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.54813.0> References: <<4.1.19990724100715.009312e0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Along this line of thought...making your own wooden accessories, fan lamp bases, etc etc... My hubby took some classes and has started making these items for me...the name of the school he attended is "The Woodworder Academy".. It's housed within the building of "The Japan Woodworker", a woodworking tool, machine, and supply house on Clement St in Alameda. It's the meeting place of one of the SF Bay Area woodworking societies. In the South Bay Area, in San Jose, there is another place, "Southern Lumber"..which is the meeting place of the woodworking and turning clubs from that area. For other locales...check with your local specialty lumber supplier..if they don't host a school or club, they can probably refer you onward...also check the web... Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Steve Wernecke wrote: > At 09:35 AM 7/24/99 -0400, Dorothy wrote: > > > >Anyway, I wonder how many of you make your own wooden accessories such > >as fan lamp bases, frames. etc... I've been thinking about how doing > >one craft often compels one to learn other things. Looking at the > >wooden items we tuck glass into, I'd say woodworking was a natural. > > > > I make my own frames but haven't attempted lamp bases yet. I actually got > into woodworking before glass. I agree that they are a natural > combination. And since I've got a garage full of power tools...why is Tim > Allen and Home Improvement creeping into my consciousness?...I figure I > ought to use them. > > There's an incredible glass artist in the Sierra Nevada mountains named > Bill Poulson who has a studio near our cabin. I've talk with him a bunch. > His showpiece is a 14' x 8' scene of Yosemite. (If you know anyone with a > spare $100,000, I'll broker the sale.) He's gotten into woodworking and is > currently more interested in that than the glass the woodwork contains. > He's done some really beautiful room dividers with carved frames and > equally amazing lamps that combine slumped glass with custom bases. Great > glasswork with great woodworking makes for a fine looking product. > > Steve > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 13:52:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: romarah@northnet.org Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Solder Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:19:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul25.121954.0> Precedence: bulk My experience with lead free solder is positive. I make pendants with glass globs and use a 150W Weller Solder gun (trigger type). I have had no problem with melting, granted the gun is hot and quick. And the end result is a shiny, silver finish. So, I am in favor of lead free solder when necessary. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 25 16:41:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: meryder@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:10:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.81020.0> References: <<1999Jul25.508.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > Mm... a friend of mine who built a 10x20' shed on the rear of his property > (in an unincorporated rural area), for the purpose of housing his HO guage > model railroad system, said shed meeting all county codes for height, size, > and setback, was given nothing but grief from a neighbor who complained > that the sight of the shed ruined his view, and wanted my friend to do > something artistic. So my friend painted the side of the shed which was in > the neighbor's view a flaming fluorescent green and added orange stripes. > > Very artistic indeed. > (grin) > regards, > Cheryl Ryder this person must have lived in my old neighborhood. There was also a shed incident there...very nice shed, met the codes, etc etc. But instead of painting the people sheepishly took it down> oh well. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 05:17:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: bungi , 'robert omarah' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Solder Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:16:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.3162.0> Precedence: bulk I just finished a hummingbird feeder that I used the lead free solder with.. Had no problems, but I kept wiping my soldering iron tip more than usual.. Did seem like the tip got blacker than usual. On the other side, I repaired a lead wrap candle shelter this Saturday, and used 50/50 solder. Usually use 06/40, and my solder iron tip cleaned better than with 60/40. Who knows??? Gloria > ---------- > From: robert omarah[SMTP:romarah@northnet.org] > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 3:13 PM > To: bungi > Subject: Solder > > Hi everyone, > I have a question. Everytime that I go to my local glass shop and > ask > to purchase lead free solder, which she has in stock, she says that it > is very very hard to use and doesn't look very good when done. So I > haven't purchased any so far. But, for Christmas this year I would love > to make large fruit dishes for some of my children and can't use my > regular lead solder. Have any of you used the lead free and have you > found it to be hard to use and does it look just as great as the other? > Thank you for any help on this subject. > > Sue > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 07:17:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 06:19:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)'" , Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Solder Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.51459.0> Precedence: bulk Tracy, To get started on one, I used the kit.. It was recently advertised from Glass Crafters. (and I purchased it from them).. It came with the bottle, the dripper with a rubber cork.. and of course directions.. Thought it would be easier than trying to find all the parts.. If you do it from this kit, the pattern is of 4 flowers, 3 leaves per flower with a center glob and 2 leaves per set of flowers.. I feel that the directions were not quite complete. The directions did not say to angle the flowers up a little (like a 3-D flower) but, it looked like it,. I did one flat one (the first one), but did not like it as much as the one were the petals were raised up from the center.. ( the end tip of the petal -not the center-was raised by 3/16th inch.) If you like, and can receive jpeg, I can send you a photo of it tomorrow.. need to go home and take the photos and bring it back to the PC to send it you > ---------- > From: Northernlights (Tracy > Reitmann)[SMTP:Northernlights@pobox.com] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 9:05 AM > To: Drag, Gloria J. > Subject: Re: Solder > > Gloria, was the hummingbird feeder hard to make/put together??? I'm > thinking > about making one this summer for my garden, but haven't really done > anything > other than "flat" things! Got any pics??? I've seen the "kits" in the > catalogs, but don't know if I should go that route or not. Thanks! > > "Drag, Gloria J." wrote: > > > I just finished a hummingbird feeder that I used the lead free > > solder with.. Had no problems, but I kept wiping my soldering iron tip > more > > than usual.. Did seem like the tip got blacker than usual. On the > other > > side, I repaired a lead wrap candle shelter this Saturday, and used > 50/50 > > solder. Usually use 06/40, and my solder iron tip cleaned better than > with > > 60/40. Who knows??? > > Gloria > > > > > ---------- > > > From: robert omarah[SMTP:romarah@northnet.org] > > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 3:13 PM > > > To: bungi > > > Subject: Solder > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > I have a question. Everytime that I go to my local glass shop > and > > > ask > > > to purchase lead free solder, which she has in stock, she says that it > > > is very very hard to use and doesn't look very good when done. So I > > > haven't purchased any so far. But, for Christmas this year I would > love > > > to make large fruit dishes for some of my children and can't use my > > > regular lead solder. Have any of you used the lead free and have you > > > found it to be hard to use and does it look just as great as the > other? > > > Thank you for any help on this subject. > > > > > > Sue > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 07:38:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 06:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: choctaw.astate.edu!pkirklan From: "Patricia McElyea" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Introduction Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:36:25 CST Message-ID: <1999Jul26.143625.0> Precedence: bulk Hello All, I am brand new to the list and thought that I would introduce myself. I am a Colorado native now living and working in Arkansas. Have been working in glass for about a year now and love it!! (Sigh... Just wish I had more time to spend working on it.) Luckily I have a wonderfully knowledgable and supportive local retailer to provide the necessary kicks. We also have an very active "Stained Glass Club" that meets once a month. I am certain that I will learn even more from the members of this list. Pat pkirklan@choctaw.astate.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chaos Often Breeds Life, Where Order Breeds Habit. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 07:47:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 06:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG something cool Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.31248.0> Precedence: bulk Thought some of you might enjoy this. http://www.ben2.ucla.edu/~permadi/java/spaint/spaint.html T Suz -- Choosing is only difficult for those with imagination ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 08:17:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Lead Free Solder Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:30:11 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199907261435.JAA13599@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk snip>>Have any of you used the lead free and have you found it to be hard to use and does it look just as great as the other?<< Sue-- I haven't used it alot, but I did make a poinsettia bowl for Christmas a few years ago and used the lead free. I too had been told horror stories about it, but found it only slightly more difficult to work with. I used red glue chip and put yellow/gold nuggets in the center/bottom--thought it looked pretty good. And the finished product is indistinguishable from regular solder. Go for it! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 08:49:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' , 'Toby' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Flux on tools and hello Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:39:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.63944.0> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, While a 4-year old is fun and will ask questions without regard to embarrassment, I don't think Ryan is ready for Glass Visions. Nor has Charles issued a waiver for the minimum age. For which I thank the Warner's. (Ryan's daddy gets very few days to himself and intends to enjoy this one.) I will bring pictures ranging from 20 minutes after birth to June or July of this year. Ask to see them at your own risk. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com PS It would ruin Glass Visions for both of us if he did come. He is a flirt and would lure all the women away from the exhibitors. This would make it too easy for me to try (and buy) all this new stuff. Then Ryan's mommy would probably kill me. -----Original Message----- From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 8:09 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Flux on tools and hello Hi All, Young Ryan Modiani sonds OK to me and I shall look forward to meeting him at Glass Visions ;-> After all, the manyfolded, many-faceted serious representatives will have to think REAL hard, when confronted with a perfectly natural question "BUT WHY?" from a 4-yearl old, that a 40-year old would long to ask, but doesn't DARE..... Good on ya, Ryan!! Love from Elisabeth 'n Toby Across The Pond (Count-down has started!!!!! Suitcases now down from the attic!!) > > Suzanne isn't the only one with an aspiring glass artist. > > I let Ryan, turned 4 last May, "burnish" a sun catcher I made for his > teacher. He liked it and wanted to do more so I also let him steel wool the > back of a lead casting. Now he wants to help daddy make more stained glass. > Not to mention go to the stained glass store again. (We had stopped by WC on > the way to the Amish country last year.). When Ryan heard me tell some about > Glass Visions he said "You take me too?". > > I might be able to convince Mr. Warner that a 14 year old is old enough to > come, but a 4 year old will be real tough. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 09:47:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: 'Shari Higbee' , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Solder Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.7454.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, I used lead free solder, in fact, the directions called for the glass to be wrapped in lead came and soldered.. I could not and would not use lead outside for the birds.. So I coppered foiled it, finished soldering each individual flower,tacked soldered it together and wrapped twisted copper wire around it and finished with a bead of lead free solder.. I did a bird house years ago for George, and that house also, I did in lead free solder, and that bird house never even saw outside, and the cat ate the mushroom bird, how stupid of me.. but how nice of George to appreciate it so much.. ---------- > From: Shari Higbee[SMTP:shigbee@stmassociates.com] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 11:01 AM > To: Drag, Gloria J. > Subject: Re: Solder > > Could you send me the picture as well? I really want to make that for my > yard. Also--I missed the first part of this discussion. Did you use > lead-free solder? > > Shari > > -----Original Message----- > From: Drag, Gloria J. > To: 'Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)' > Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 8:30 AM > Subject: RE: Solder > > > >Tracy, > >To get started on one, I used the kit.. It was recently advertised from > >Glass Crafters. (and I purchased it from them).. It came with the bottle, > >the dripper with a rubber cork.. and of course directions.. Thought it > would > >be easier than trying to find all the parts.. If you do it from this kit, > >the pattern is of 4 flowers, 3 leaves per flower with a center glob and 2 > >leaves per set of flowers.. I feel that the directions were not quite > >complete. The directions did not say to angle the flowers up a little > (like > >a 3-D flower) but, it looked like it,. I did one flat one (the first > one), > >but did not like it as much as the one were the petals were raised up > from > >the center.. ( the end tip of the petal -not the center-was raised by > 3/16th > >inch.) > >If you like, and can receive jpeg, I can send you a photo of it > tomorrow.. > >need to go home and take the photos and bring it back to the PC to send > it > >you > >> ---------- > >> From: Northernlights (Tracy > >> Reitmann)[SMTP:Northernlights@pobox.com] > >> Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 9:05 AM > >> To: Drag, Gloria J. > >> Subject: Re: Solder > >> > >> Gloria, was the hummingbird feeder hard to make/put together??? I'm > >> thinking > >> about making one this summer for my garden, but haven't really done > >> anything > >> other than "flat" things! Got any pics??? I've seen the "kits" in the > >> catalogs, but don't know if I should go that route or not. Thanks! > >> > >> "Drag, Gloria J." wrote: > >> > >> > I just finished a hummingbird feeder that I used the lead > free > >> > solder with.. Had no problems, but I kept wiping my soldering iron > tip > >> more > >> > than usual.. Did seem like the tip got blacker than usual. On the > >> other > >> > side, I repaired a lead wrap candle shelter this Saturday, and used > >> 50/50 > >> > solder. Usually use 06/40, and my solder iron tip cleaned better than > >> with > >> > 60/40. Who knows??? > >> > Gloria > >> > > >> > > ---------- > >> > > From: robert omarah[SMTP:romarah@northnet.org] > >> > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 3:13 PM > >> > > To: bungi > >> > > Subject: Solder > >> > > > >> > > Hi everyone, > >> > > I have a question. Everytime that I go to my local glass shop > >> and > >> > > ask > >> > > to purchase lead free solder, which she has in stock, she says that > it > >> > > is very very hard to use and doesn't look very good when done. So I > >> > > haven't purchased any so far. But, for Christmas this year I would > >> love > >> > > to make large fruit dishes for some of my children and can't use my > >> > > regular lead solder. Have any of you used the lead free and have > you > >> > > found it to be hard to use and does it look just as great as the > >> other? > >> > > Thank you for any help on this subject. > >> > > > >> > > Sue > >> > > ---- > >> > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >> > > > >> > ---- > >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >> > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 10:47:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Missing persons Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:52:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990726095206.0095c100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk I sent out updated Who's Where in Bungi-Land lists last night, and the messages to the following people bounced: Dawn Barker (dbarker@sk.sympatico.ca) Jenny Geldard ("jenny"@glassgirl.com) If one of them is you, please send me a private message so I can get your new e-mail address. If I don't hear from you, I'll have to remove you from the list next time around. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 11:47:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:53:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: FYI : Glass competition details Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:48:49 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990726184849.0079c940@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Anyone interested in this? EliZabeth in Bournemouth ============================ >>Corning Museum of Glass >Corning, NY USA United States of America > > Each year, The Corning Museum of Glass > conducts a worldwide competition to select > 100 slides of innovative works in glass. A > committee drawn from designers, artists, > museum directors, curators, and critics will > make the selection. The publication is > intended to keep its audience, which > includes museums, artists, libraries, > collectors, scholars, and dealers, informed > of recent developments in the field. Objects > considered excellent from any of several > viewpoints-such as function, subject matter, > esthetics, and technique-will be chosen. > The objects selected will be published in > color with the names of the makers and > brief descriptions of the pieces. >for fuller details go to >http://absolutearts.com/cgi-bin/news/elaborate.cgi?find=212 Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 12:08:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: MIT.EDU!mmancuso From: marc mancuso To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: not glass, but useful: website for virus hoax info Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:54:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <<1999Jul9.133522.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi all, There was a virus-related email posted to the list recently, and I remembered a tip I'd been given once. The link below points to a group that rounds up all kinds of information about viruses, especially --and perhaps most useful-- about all the hoaxes they can find. Have a look, if you like. If not, don't :) http://www.datafellows.fi/virus-info/ Later, Marc Marc Mancuso Senior Staff Assistant Publishing Services Bureau email: mmancuso@mit.edu phone: 617.258.9380 fax: 617.258.9390 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 12:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG something cool Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.41419.0> References: <<1999Jul26.31248.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > Thought some of you might enjoy this. > > http://www.ben2.ucla.edu/~permadi/java/spaint/spaint.html > > T Suz > -- > you are right Suzanne..very kewl.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 14:17:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "'bungi'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE; Ryan pictures Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:30:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.12309.0> References: <<1999Jul26.63944.0>> Precedence: bulk Oh, but then I'd have to bring granddaughter Alicia pictures...Of course, she'll only be five months old, so there won't be a lot of pictures.... So the bungi people will be the ones passing around "brag books"...filed with pictures of children, not glass, huh? "Modiano, Victor" wrote: > Elisabeth, > > While a 4-year old is fun and will ask questions without regard to > embarrassment, I don't think Ryan is ready for Glass Visions. > Nor has Charles issued a waiver for the minimum age. For which I thank the > Warner's. (Ryan's daddy gets very few days to himself and intends to enjoy > this one.) I will bring pictures ranging from 20 minutes after birth to June > or July of this year. Ask to see them at your own risk. > > Vic M. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 14:47:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG: Re: Making your own accessories Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:17:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.71743.0> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Ah - This brings back memories. One of the few things I miss from growing up in California is "The Japan Woodworker". Without that place I might never have become involved in woodworking. Glad to hear it is still a going concern after 20 years. (I also miss being close to my parents and my brothers, but that is another story...) :-) Tim Atwood Stained Glass - Woodwork - Metalwork Holtenwood Studios - http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm -----Original Message----- From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Making your own accessories ...(snip) >My hubby took some classes and has started making these items for me...the >name of the school he attended is "The Woodworder Academy".. It's housed >within the building of "The Japan Woodworker", a woodworking tool, machine, >and supply house on Clement St in Alameda. ...(snip) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 15:17:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE; Pictures Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:34:21 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199907262139.QAA09539@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk snip>>So the bungi people will be the ones passing around "brag books"... filled with pictures of children, not glass, huh? Geez, guys. I got no kids (or grandkids since kids is a prerquisite). My dog's pretty cute--can I bring pictures of him? Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 15:47:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Corning Museum call for entry Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:05:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.14540.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:artsnews@wwar.com > CALL FOR ENTRIES: NEW GLASS REVIEW 21 Corning Museum of Glass Corning, NY USA United States of America Each year, The Corning Museum of Glass conducts a worldwide competition to select 100 slides of innovative works in glass. A committee drawn from designers, artists, museum directors, curators, and critics will make the selection. The publication is intended to keep its audience, which includes museums, artists, libraries, collectors, scholars, and dealers, informed of recent developments in the field. Objects considered excellent from any of several viewpoints-such as function, subject matter, esthetics, and technique-will be chosen. The objects selected will be published in color with the names of the makers and brief descriptions of the pieces. http://absolutearts.com/cgi-bin/news/elaborate.cgi?find=3D212< Thought I'd post this for anyone who might be interested in submitting slides.... haven't checked the site for = specifics yet (like dates, entry fees, etc.) so if anyone can do that and report back, I would certainly appreciate more info. Thanks! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 18:09:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Rare Glass1 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:39:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.103929.0> References: <<75F036A5970CD311A993009027283DC413F171@exphx.az.stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk Gee...maybe if we all pooled our meager supplies we could make something neat... sort of a "Last Hurrah" for Merry Go Round Glass.... Best Regards, Cheryl Spitzer, Charlie wrote: > i have about 6 sq. ft of it, mostly in yellow and red. i'm still looking for > the green that they used to have. almost an olive drab, but had very small > gold flecks in it. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: meryder@pacbell.net [mailto:meryder@pacbell.net] > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:09 PM > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Rare Glass1 > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > While were on the subject of rare glass (i.e. Fremont Glass), does > > anyone > > still have any "Merry-Go-Round" around? > > > > I have a small piece of softly irridized creamy beige, but > > that's all I > > have left. > > > > Regards, > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 19:41:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:33:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Ben , Beth Espinosa , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: A strictly technie question Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:19:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.7192.0> Precedence: bulk Qustion: What sits on a pirate's shoulder and says "pieces of seven, pieces of seven" ? Answer: A parroty error. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 23:11:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen" To: Subject: Re: Making your own accessories Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:44:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.204440.0> Precedence: bulk Haven't tried to make the fan bases but did some nice oak frames CHEAP (1/6th the cost) compared to the cost of oak framing stock you can buy. Think I used 1 1/2" X 1 1/2" square stock (special order) from the lumberyard. This wood was straighter than anything I saw when first looking for framing stock. Rounded off the corners, routered the groove, then miter cut too fit. Lucky that hubby had the tools and I knew how to use them relatively safely. Only tool I still fear using is powerful air-nailers & staple guns. Once when still in the factory attached my work shoe right to my foot at the ankle with a 1 3/4 long heavy staple....OUCH!! Then they also wanted me to just let the maintenace guy yank it out with a pliers. No Way! Karen SNIP >A thought >that strikes fear into my heart since I sewed my finger to the machine >in seventh grade home ec. It is odd for someone who likes all kinds of >other crafts I just have this mental block about sewing. > > >Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 26 23:22:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: sarachildress@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: hello from kentucky Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:44:04 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul27.5444.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Sarah, I too have a shop in Cinti, Ohio.and There are many in the Northern Ky. area as well There is The Kaliedescope owned by Cliff Kennedy, who has published some pattern books, there is Brill's glass, and the ever so well liked SGO in Erlanger,Ky.There are a few more in NKY but there names escape me right now.I personally own the Glass Shack in Groesbeck a suburb of Cinti Oh, and there is also Tiffany Art Glass in the Tri-County area and Glass Creations in Miamitown Ohio not too far from my shop.That should have you thoroughly confused now These are most of the retail shops, there are also numerous Studios in the area as well but we won't get into them.Well good luck with your futher endeavors into glass Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 00:45:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:03:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Karen" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Making your own accessories Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:04:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.2343.0> Precedence: bulk Karen said: - >Haven't tried to make the fan bases .......I picked up some nice wooden routered shapes at Michael's for $1.00. They measured about 4 X5 in hearts, squares, octogons. I believe that they used them for decoupage. I thought, I would drill out hole for electrical sockets and stain...yes I know they are only cheap pine but with alittle of elbow grease for sanding should stain up very nice. Jill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 01:45:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen" To: Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:47:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul26.224739.0> Precedence: bulk >No. Graffitti is not cool. And no amount of bullshit is going to make it so. > >Later ........... Bob HOW TRUE! Grafitti is Trouble! Recently in Holland, Michigan 2 young "artists" asked the owner of a small local store if they could paint a mural on the side of his building. Insisting it would depict the Hispanic culture & pride of the neighborhood the owner (hispanic also) agreed to it. When finished it wasn't long before the community, the neighbors & the police noticed it had several references to the "Latin Kings" gang (their turf area) in it. It had gang symbols in it & references to dead or imprisoned gang members. The store owner asked the guys to change the mural but was too scared to paint it over himself. The artist's, who were known by police to be affiliated with this gang, refused to change the mural. The neighbors planned several meetings with the city, hispanic community leaders & police, one that was to have a march that would end with them painting over the mural themselves. I believe that didn't take place and the mural is to be changed by the artists. It isn't yet, we drove past this store Saturday night on our way across town. We kidded each other about if we could get through the area without a drive-by shooting. I said it was too early (still light out) but it was 10pm. This store is 2 doors down from a house I lived in 25 years ago, wasn't very scary back then. There have been 3 houses firebombed in the last 2 months, 2 in this neighborhood, one of which burned down to the ground after 3 kids escaped the fire. The woman who owned this house was gone and it was her son the attack was aimed at. The 3rd house was on the other side of town, in different gang territory. Holland is not a big city, has just grown too fast with a good job market. Gang trouble started to get bad 4-5 years ago and police presence was increased. Things quieted down for awhile and then patrols were cut back. Makes us sick to see what has happened to what once was a great place to live. We have a tavern here and it scares me to death that these gang members will all be old enough to hang out as customers in just a couple of short years. Sorry so long winded here, just wanted to add my 4 cents worth on this graffiti thread. In this case it isn't art at all, they were staking claim to their territory. Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 06:23:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Rare Glass1 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:56:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.45645.0> Precedence: bulk Charlie, Did you ever see the Bulleyes' green with gold flecks.. It might substitute.. It is not olive green, but a deep emerald green cathedral with gold specks.. pretty nice.. > ---------- > From: meryder@pacbell.net[SMTP:meryder@pacbell.net] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 8:39 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Rare Glass1 > > Gee...maybe if we all pooled our meager supplies we could make something > neat... > > sort of a "Last Hurrah" for Merry Go Round Glass.... > > Best Regards, > Cheryl > > Spitzer, Charlie wrote: > > > i have about 6 sq. ft of it, mostly in yellow and red. i'm still looking > for > > the green that they used to have. almost an olive drab, but had very > small > > gold flecks in it. > > > > regards, > > charlie > > phx, az > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: meryder@pacbell.net [mailto:meryder@pacbell.net] > > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:09 PM > > > To: glass@bungi.com > > > Subject: Rare Glass1 > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > While were on the subject of rare glass (i.e. Fremont Glass), does > > > anyone > > > still have any "Merry-Go-Round" around? > > > > > > I have a small piece of softly irridized creamy beige, but > > > that's all I > > > have left. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 06:41:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" , "Intrastar" Subject: Great webpage Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:56:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.45641.0> Precedence: bulk You all have to see this work. This guy makes the neatest terrariums, planters and vases I've seen in my short foray into glass. Hope you enjoy. Mary http://www.artmakers.com/phoenix/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 08:24:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: Karen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:02:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.3233.0> References: <<1999Jul26.224739.0>> Precedence: bulk > Recently in Holland, Michigan 2 young "artists" asked the owner of a > small local store if they could paint a mural > The store owner asked the guys to change the mural but was too scared to > paint it over himself. The artist's, who were known by police to be > affiliated with this gang, refused to change the mural. What the HELL is the matter with you, don't you understand that these kids were just EXPRESSING themselves!?! Don't you know what art is, don't you know what IS, is? What you want is one of those BORING neighborhoods, you know, no crime, no drugs, that sort of thing. oooooooh well, I guess it's takes all kinds! :) David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 09:27:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen" To: "Bungi List" , "Charles R. Clark" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.7551.0> Precedence: bulk David, These "kids" deceived this store owner, HE has every right to ask them to remove it. What if a rival gang decides to firebomb his store because of the gang graffiti? And yes, I would like to see that neighborhood with less crime, drugs & guns. It bothers me when I hear that some gang-banger left his gun where his 4yr. old brother found it and accidently blew his brains out. When "just EXPRESSING themselves" puts other people in danger they have gone to far. Every third house is for sale....Cheap.... if you're into it so much. Karen > >> Recently in Holland, Michigan 2 young "artists" asked the owner of a >> small local store if they could paint a mural > >> The store owner asked the guys to change the mural but was too scared to >> paint it over himself. The artist's, who were known by police to be >> affiliated with this gang, refused to change the mural. > >What the HELL is the matter with you, don't you understand that these >kids were just EXPRESSING themselves!?! Don't you know what art is, >don't you know what IS, is? What you want is one of those BORING >neighborhoods, you know, no crime, no drugs, that sort of thing. >oooooooh well, I guess it's takes all kinds! :) >David >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 10:30:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen" To: "Bungi List" , "Charles R. Clark" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:43:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.7434.0> Precedence: bulk David, Sorry I didn't see the smiley, didn't sleep at all last night...organizing the room before my studio, so i can actually get back into the studio. And then there was those 563 bungi posts to weed thru. Guess I got on the defensive when I read the "what the hell is the matter with you" part. Karen >Karen wrote: >> >> David, >> I guess it's takes all kinds! :) >> >David > >Hi Karen, >Didn't you see the smiley? >My post was meant as a needle to those who think that graffiti is *just* >a form of self expression. I suppose it can be but usually it's just >plain vendalism, gang related or not. > >Again I say :) >David > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 10:50:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: PJ Jellison To: Karen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:55:44 -0400 Message-ID: <379DE47F.FA0A85D5@ceps.nasm.edu> References: <<1999Jul27.7551.0>> Organization: Smithsonian Institution Precedence: bulk For what it's worth, I thought David's post was meant sarcastically, i.e. that he meant just the opposite of what he said... Did I get it wrong? David? In any case this subject has clearly scraped some raw nerves...maybe (IMHO) we all need to chill... Peace! PJ Jellison Karen wrote: > > David, > > These "kids" deceived this store owner, HE has every right to ask them to > remove it. What if a rival gang decides to firebomb his store because of > the gang graffiti? > > And yes, I would like to see that neighborhood with less crime, drugs & > guns. > It bothers me when I hear that some gang-banger left his gun where his > 4yr. old brother found it and accidently blew his brains out. > > When "just EXPRESSING themselves" puts other people in danger they have > gone to far. Every third house is for sale....Cheap.... if you're into > it so much. > > Karen > > > > >> Recently in Holland, Michigan 2 young "artists" asked the owner of a > >> small local store if they could paint a mural > > > >> The store owner asked the guys to change the mural but was too scared > to > >> paint it over himself. The artist's, who were known by police to be > >> affiliated with this gang, refused to change the mural. > > > >What the HELL is the matter with you, don't you understand that these > >kids were just EXPRESSING themselves!?! Don't you know what art is, > >don't you know what IS, is? What you want is one of those BORING > >neighborhoods, you know, no crime, no drugs, that sort of thing. > >oooooooh well, I guess it's takes all kinds! :) > >David > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 11:29:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:15:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: Bungi List , "Charles R. Clark" , Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:54:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.85427.0> Precedence: bulk What gets me is this.. With all the crime in the cities, our county has decided to have dog catchers go from door to door to make sure your dog is properly licensed and currently vetted.. I think the great state of Pennsylvania and the county of Allegheny could have used the expenses of this manpower team to find crack houses, help homeless children, clean the streets, or, maybe even support the arts, but to bust senior citizens on fixed incomes and fine them $300 for not having a license.. makes me sick. My pet peeve of the day. thanks for allowing me to vent Gloria > ---------- > From: Karen[SMTP:giapet@softhouse.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 1:05 PM > To: Bungi List; Charles R. Clark > Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti > > David, > > These "kids" deceived this store owner, HE has every right to ask them to > remove it. What if a rival gang decides to firebomb his store because of > the gang graffiti? > > And yes, I would like to see that neighborhood with less crime, drugs & > guns. > It bothers me when I hear that some gang-banger left his gun where his > 4yr. old brother found it and accidently blew his brains out. > > When "just EXPRESSING themselves" puts other people in danger they have > gone to far. Every third house is for sale....Cheap.... if you're into > it so much. > > Karen > > > > >> Recently in Holland, Michigan 2 young "artists" asked the owner of a > >> small local store if they could paint a mural > > > >> The store owner asked the guys to change the mural but was too scared > to > >> paint it over himself. The artist's, who were known by police to be > >> affiliated with this gang, refused to change the mural. > > > >What the HELL is the matter with you, don't you understand that these > >kids were just EXPRESSING themselves!?! Don't you know what art is, > >don't you know what IS, is? What you want is one of those BORING > >neighborhoods, you know, no crime, no drugs, that sort of thing. > >oooooooh well, I guess it's takes all kinds! :) > >David > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 11:49:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Karen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:51:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.25131.0> References: <<1999Jul27.7551.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > When "just EXPRESSING themselves" puts other people in danger they have > gone to far. Every third house is for sale....Cheap.... if you're into > it so much. I'm sorry, these kids were NOT just "expressing themselves". They used the fact that the store owner trusted that that is what they WOULD be doing to further their own rotten ends. It would be like if someone approached a book editor with an outline for a novel, it sounded good, they agreed, money was exchanged and then what the whole thing turned out to be was some sort of evil propaganda filled in within the outline. And say then if the publisher refused to publish it saying it wasnt what he was told it would be and then the person turned around and sued the publisher for breach of contract. That would be like saying any and all books are wrong because of this ninny. Whats wrong here? its not about self expression, its about deliberately misrepresenting something as good and using it as a cover to put up your own nasty ideas and then using force to prevent them from being taken down> What if the storeower had refused the mural in the first place? They may have come back and killed him or threatened him that he "had" to let them put it up anyway..same idea as certain groups who sell "protection" to store owners...they really have no choice whether to buy it and they know it. Unless they want to be dead..the problem here is not "legit" street art...the problem is that certain types of people will do anything they can to further themselves including lying and killing and maiming others. 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This guy makes the neatest terrariums, > planters and vases I've seen in my short foray into glass. > Hope you enjoy. > Mary > http://www.artmakers.com/phoenix/ > This fellow was in Syracuse for an Arts and Crafts fair 2 weekends ago and his work looks better in person then on his web site. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 13:10:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Karen" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:28:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.102854.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Karen" >When "just EXPRESSING themselves" puts other people in danger they have gone to far. Every third house is for sale....Cheap.... if you're into it so much.< I think David was pulling your leg to begin with.... a brilliantly sardonic sense of humour, and as ever, totally misunderstood. Am I right, David? Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 13:32:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: "Drag, Gloria J." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.53945.0> References: <<1999Jul27.85427.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > > What gets me is this.. With all the crime in the cities, our county has > decided to have dog catchers go from door to door to make sure your dog is > properly licensed and currently vetted.. I think the great state of > Pennsylvania and the county of Allegheny could have used the expenses of > this manpower team to find crack houses, help homeless children, clean the > streets, or, maybe even support the arts, but to bust senior citizens on > fixed incomes and fine them $300 for not having a license.. makes me sick. > My pet peeve of the day. > thanks for allowing me to vent > Gloria > > ---------- no, you know what it is Gloria is it makes the powers that be feel that they are doing something to deflect from the fact that they arent doing anything about what they should be doing something about. Reminds me of when I got busted for letting my dog swim where he shouldnt have been. Apparently the police were all set up trying to bust some partying kids and/or some innappropriate male activity in the woods but what they snagged instead was a lot of people allowing dogs to swim in this lake. Including a nice couple from Germany visiting relatives and somehow their dog got away from them and they were lost but still they got busted. In the end it was all thrown out because some protocol hadnt been followed but I got the distinct feeling that since they hadnt gotten who they wnated to get, the police were very happy to make a bunch of dog owners feel like serious criminals and came down all the more tough on us precisely because they didnt find what they were "really" out there looking for. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 14:37:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:07:55 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul27.21755.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! I really didn't want to touch this topic at all, BUT!! I just had to add this... one of my professors where I went to college did his Master's thesis on graffiti as a form of creative self-expression :re: art, and in our class, which I think was "Youth Culture" (an interdiscep. writing course), showed us a great slide presentation, which, if I remember correctly, ended up with a big thing on Keith Harring (sp?) - even went to Harring's parent's home and talked with them, was quite detailed, etc., and pretty much sold our class on the concept of this form of creativity being a form of art...and that's all I'm going to say about this! Laura HiimLaura@aol.com PS - If you want to look up the dissertation/thesis, I think he (the prof.) went to Bowling Green U. , and his last name was Strasser, but I'm not sure if BGU has their thesis online or not. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 17:11:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Elizabeth Arakelian Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:12:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.121214.0> References: <<1999Jul31.53945.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I didn't want to get caught up in this thread, but - the police are going to take the easy way out, i.e., go after the evil people who do not license their dogs rather than face the dangers of crack houses, gangs, and drug pushers. Some police will not even give a speeding ticket if it's raining out; they don't want to get wet. Fact, not fiction. I've always felt that we get what we put up with and to let a couple on fixed income be fined $300 for not licensing their dog is obscene. As long as we just moan and groan about the elected officials and police not doing their job rather than do something about it, like kick them out of office; police chief included, then we have no one to blame for the situation but ourselves. CT Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > > > > What gets me is this.. With all the crime in the cities, our county has > > decided to have dog catchers go from door to door to make sure your dog is > > properly licensed and currently vetted.. I think the great state of > > Pennsylvania and the county of Allegheny could have used the expenses of > > this manpower team to find crack houses, help homeless children, clean the > > streets, or, maybe even support the arts, but to bust senior citizens on > > fixed incomes and fine them $300 for not having a license.. makes me sick. > > My pet peeve of the day. > > thanks for allowing me to vent > > Gloria > > > ---------- > > no, you know what it is Gloria is it makes the powers that be feel that > they are doing something to deflect from the fact that they arent doing > anything about what they should be doing something about. Reminds me of > when I got busted for letting my dog swim where he shouldnt have been. > Apparently the police were all set up trying to bust some partying kids > and/or some innappropriate male activity in the woods but what they > snagged instead was a lot of people allowing dogs to swim in this lake. > Including a nice couple from Germany visiting relatives and somehow > their dog got away from them and they were lost but still they got > busted. In the end it was all thrown out because some protocol hadnt > been followed but I got the distinct feeling that since they hadnt > gotten who they wnated to get, the police were very happy to make a > bunch of dog owners feel like serious criminals and came down all the > more tough on us precisely because they didnt find what they were > "really" out there looking for. > > Liz > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 18:14:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!lauriegood From: "laurie good" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: new to list Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:56:26 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jul27.235626.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Just want to say hello, I'm recently new to the list. I've been doing glass off and on for about 7 years. My most recent projects are two windows for the local catholic church. The second one is still in the drawing stage but moving ahead quickly. I live in the far north of AK in what is called a bush village. Graffiti is not a problem. Needless to say ordering and receiving glass can be interesting. I've found Northwest Glass in WA the most helpful and cheaper on shipping. There is a local shop in Fairbanks, they are bery accomodating. Looking forward to new ideas and tips. Laurie _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 27 18:30:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:06:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: reply Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul27.16524.0> Precedence: bulk How do you reply to individual sender without it going to the whole group? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 04:21:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'glshorse@ior.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:56:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.25626.0> Precedence: bulk Liz, you are so right.. I am looking into the legal part of them coming in your house without a warrant.. I was told, they do not have to have access. I have 3 acres with (now) a locked fence (driveway) 2 acres away from the house. My lawyer said that I did not have to give them access. The locked gate is like the locked house.. but still how are they fining these people in their own homes.. Could understand if in a park and you were confronted, but your HOME!!! I sympathize with your dog crisis.. That is one reason I left the city .. The pups could not even run anymore. Leash laws. but they did not catch the perverts showing themselves.. no, but dog people.. take care Gloria > ---------- > From: Elizabeth Arakelian[SMTP:glshorse@ior.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 3:39 PM > To: Drag, Gloria J. > Cc: Bungi List; Charles R. Clark > Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti > > Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > > > > What gets me is this.. With all the crime in the cities, our county has > > decided to have dog catchers go from door to door to make sure your dog > is > > properly licensed and currently vetted.. I think the great state of > > Pennsylvania and the county of Allegheny could have used the expenses of > > this manpower team to find crack houses, help homeless children, clean > the > > streets, or, maybe even support the arts, but to bust senior citizens > on > > fixed incomes and fine them $300 for not having a license.. makes me > sick. > > My pet peeve of the day. > > thanks for allowing me to vent > > Gloria > > > ---------- > > no, you know what it is Gloria is it makes the powers that be feel that > they are doing something to deflect from the fact that they arent doing > anything about what they should be doing something about. Reminds me of > when I got busted for letting my dog swim where he shouldnt have been. > Apparently the police were all set up trying to bust some partying kids > and/or some innappropriate male activity in the woods but what they > snagged instead was a lot of people allowing dogs to swim in this lake. > Including a nice couple from Germany visiting relatives and somehow > their dog got away from them and they were lost but still they got > busted. In the end it was all thrown out because some protocol hadnt > been followed but I got the distinct feeling that since they hadnt > gotten who they wnated to get, the police were very happy to make a > bunch of dog owners feel like serious criminals and came down all the > more tough on us precisely because they didnt find what they were > "really" out there looking for. > > Liz > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 05:24:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:13:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: Elizabeth Arakelian , "'ctombro@InfoAve.Net'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.3746.0> Precedence: bulk what gets me, where is the warrant to enter your house and should the warrant state they are looking for unlicensed dogs, and if you are current, do you have a recourse to sue for wrongful accusation. .. are we that intimidated by "officials" that we just throw a privacy rights out the door.. > ---------- > From: Carol Tombro[SMTP:ctombro@InfoAve.Net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 10:12 PM > To: Elizabeth Arakelian > Cc: Drag, Gloria J.; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti > > I didn't want to get caught up in this thread, but - the police are going > to take > the easy way out, i.e., go after the evil people who do not license their > dogs > rather than face the dangers of crack houses, gangs, and drug pushers. > Some > police will not even give a speeding ticket if it's raining out; they > don't want > to get wet. Fact, not fiction. > > I've always felt that we get what we put up with and to let a couple on > fixed > income be fined $300 for not licensing their dog is obscene. As long as > we just > moan and groan about the elected officials and police not doing their job > rather > than do something about it, like kick them out of office; police chief > included, > then we have no one to blame for the situation but ourselves. > > CT > > Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > > > Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > > > > > > What gets me is this.. With all the crime in the cities, our county > has > > > decided to have dog catchers go from door to door to make sure your > dog is > > > properly licensed and currently vetted.. I think the great state of > > > Pennsylvania and the county of Allegheny could have used the expenses > of > > > this manpower team to find crack houses, help homeless children, > clean the > > > streets, or, maybe even support the arts, but to bust senior citizens > on > > > fixed incomes and fine them $300 for not having a license.. makes me > sick. > > > My pet peeve of the day. > > > thanks for allowing me to vent > > > Gloria > > > > ---------- > > > > no, you know what it is Gloria is it makes the powers that be feel that > > they are doing something to deflect from the fact that they arent doing > > anything about what they should be doing something about. Reminds me of > > when I got busted for letting my dog swim where he shouldnt have been. > > Apparently the police were all set up trying to bust some partying kids > > and/or some innappropriate male activity in the woods but what they > > snagged instead was a lot of people allowing dogs to swim in this lake. > > Including a nice couple from Germany visiting relatives and somehow > > their dog got away from them and they were lost but still they got > > busted. In the end it was all thrown out because some protocol hadnt > > been followed but I got the distinct feeling that since they hadnt > > gotten who they wnated to get, the police were very happy to make a > > bunch of dog owners feel like serious criminals and came down all the > > more tough on us precisely because they didnt find what they were > > "really" out there looking for. > > > > Liz > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 05:42:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:16:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: glass@bungi.com, 'Rita Tidwell' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: reply Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.31138.0> Precedence: bulk When replying, I have to reply icons.. one is single and would just go back to you. The other is group and would go to you and the list.. but this is an older PC.. Do not know what the new ones have Hope this helps Gloria > ---------- > From: Rita Tidwell[SMTP:tidwell2@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 8:05 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: reply > > How do you reply to individual sender without it going to the whole > group? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 05:56:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Drag Gloria J , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:25:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.0254.0> References: <> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Where I live now, licenses are not required for dogs; at least not to my knowledge. When I lived in NJ, licensing was mandatory, but I never got around to get my dogs or cats licenses. Someone came once to my house asking if I had a dog or dogs and I said no (just prayed they wouldn't bark). I figured it was none of his business and there was no way I would let him in the house. As I said previously, towns have better things to do than to fine people for unlicensed dogs. All dogs, however, should be vaccinated against rabies and proof should be available that it was done. If I go to certain spots within a 60 mile radius, there are drug pushers who are blatantly selling. If I know this and where they are, the police certainly should know. The excuse that they will simply move to another place and keep selling only means the police should follow them there. Again, this is under the aegis of the town and its' policies as to what should be done. Fining someone $300 for an unlicensed dog is easier than giving a speeding ticket, so it's just an convenient way for a town to make money. Get the ordinance changed by going to meetings and making yourself heard or do nothing and let things stay as they are. I'll now leave the twilight zone of silly things towns do and get back to something important - glass. Drag Gloria J wrote: > what gets me, where is the warrant to enter your house and should the > warrant state they are looking for unlicensed dogs, and if you are current, > do you have a recourse to sue for wrongful accusation. .. are we that > intimidated by "officials" that we just throw a privacy rights out the > door.. > > > ---------- > > From: Carol Tombro[SMTP:ctombro@InfoAve.Net] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 10:12 PM > > To: Elizabeth Arakelian > > Cc: Drag, Gloria J.; glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti > > > > I didn't want to get caught up in this thread, but - the police are going > > to take > > the easy way out, i.e., go after the evil people who do not license their > > dogs > > rather than face the dangers of crack houses, gangs, and drug pushers. > > Some > > police will not even give a speeding ticket if it's raining out; they > > don't want > > to get wet. Fact, not fiction. > > > > I've always felt that we get what we put up with and to let a couple on > > fixed > > income be fined $300 for not licensing their dog is obscene. As long as > > we just > > moan and groan about the elected officials and police not doing their job > > rather > > than do something about it, like kick them out of office; police chief > > included, > > then we have no one to blame for the situation but ourselves. > > > > CT > > > > Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > > > > > Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > > > > > > > > What gets me is this.. With all the crime in the cities, our county > > has > > > > decided to have dog catchers go from door to door to make sure your > > dog is > > > > properly licensed and currently vetted.. I think the great state of > > > > Pennsylvania and the county of Allegheny could have used the expenses > > of > > > > this manpower team to find crack houses, help homeless children, > > clean the > > > > streets, or, maybe even support the arts, but to bust senior citizens > > on > > > > fixed incomes and fine them $300 for not having a license.. makes me > > sick. > > > > My pet peeve of the day. > > > > thanks for allowing me to vent > > > > Gloria > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > no, you know what it is Gloria is it makes the powers that be feel that > > > they are doing something to deflect from the fact that they arent doing > > > anything about what they should be doing something about. Reminds me of > > > when I got busted for letting my dog swim where he shouldnt have been. > > > Apparently the police were all set up trying to bust some partying kids > > > and/or some innappropriate male activity in the woods but what they > > > snagged instead was a lot of people allowing dogs to swim in this lake. > > > Including a nice couple from Germany visiting relatives and somehow > > > their dog got away from them and they were lost but still they got > > > busted. In the end it was all thrown out because some protocol hadnt > > > been followed but I got the distinct feeling that since they hadnt > > > gotten who they wnated to get, the police were very happy to make a > > > bunch of dog owners feel like serious criminals and came down all the > > > more tough on us precisely because they didnt find what they were > > > "really" out there looking for. > > > > > > Liz > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 06:56:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: 'Carol Tombro' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.5932.0> Precedence: bulk well, I am locking that gate.. I do have everything for the pups, but it is the principle.. Went to town hall meeting to try to stop development, but, low and behold, the township wants the revenues, most of the people at the meeting were against the development, but that did not stop the director going ahead, and I believe he is hired and not voted on.. > ---------- > From: Carol Tombro[SMTP:ctombro@InfoAve.Net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 10:25 AM > To: Drag, Gloria J.; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti > > Where I live now, licenses are not required for dogs; at least not to my > knowledge. When I lived in NJ, licensing was mandatory, but I never got > around > to get my dogs or cats licenses. Someone came once to my house asking if > I had > a dog or dogs and I said no (just prayed they wouldn't bark). I figured > it was > none of his business and there was no way I would let him in the house. > As I > said previously, towns have better things to do than to fine people for > unlicensed dogs. All dogs, however, should be vaccinated against rabies > and > proof should be available that it was done. > > If I go to certain spots within a 60 mile radius, there are drug pushers > who are > blatantly selling. If I know this and where they are, the police > certainly > should know. The excuse that they will simply move to another place and > keep > selling only means the police should follow them there. Again, this is > under > the aegis of the town and its' policies as to what should be done. > > Fining someone $300 for an unlicensed dog is easier than giving a speeding > ticket, so it's just an convenient way for a town to make money. Get the > ordinance changed by going to meetings and making yourself heard or do > nothing > and let things stay as they are. > > I'll now leave the twilight zone of silly things towns do and get back to > something important - glass. > > Drag Gloria J wrote: > > > what gets me, where is the warrant to enter your house and should the > > warrant state they are looking for unlicensed dogs, and if you are > current, > > do you have a recourse to sue for wrongful accusation. .. are we that > > intimidated by "officials" that we just throw a privacy rights out the > > door.. > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Carol Tombro[SMTP:ctombro@InfoAve.Net] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 10:12 PM > > > To: Elizabeth Arakelian > > > Cc: Drag, Gloria J.; glass@bungi.com > > > Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti > > > > > > I didn't want to get caught up in this thread, but - the police are > going > > > to take > > > the easy way out, i.e., go after the evil people who do not license > their > > > dogs > > > rather than face the dangers of crack houses, gangs, and drug pushers. > > > Some > > > police will not even give a speeding ticket if it's raining out; they > > > don't want > > > to get wet. Fact, not fiction. > > > > > > I've always felt that we get what we put up with and to let a couple > on > > > fixed > > > income be fined $300 for not licensing their dog is obscene. As long > as > > > we just > > > moan and groan about the elected officials and police not doing their > job > > > rather > > > than do something about it, like kick them out of office; police chief > > > included, > > > then we have no one to blame for the situation but ourselves. > > > > > > CT > > > > > > Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > > > > > > > Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What gets me is this.. With all the crime in the cities, our > county > > > has > > > > > decided to have dog catchers go from door to door to make sure > your > > > dog is > > > > > properly licensed and currently vetted.. I think the great state > of > > > > > Pennsylvania and the county of Allegheny could have used the > expenses > > > of > > > > > this manpower team to find crack houses, help homeless children, > > > clean the > > > > > streets, or, maybe even support the arts, but to bust senior > citizens > > > on > > > > > fixed incomes and fine them $300 for not having a license.. makes > me > > > sick. > > > > > My pet peeve of the day. > > > > > thanks for allowing me to vent > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > no, you know what it is Gloria is it makes the powers that be feel > that > > > > they are doing something to deflect from the fact that they arent > doing > > > > anything about what they should be doing something about. Reminds > me of > > > > when I got busted for letting my dog swim where he shouldnt have > been. > > > > Apparently the police were all set up trying to bust some partying > kids > > > > and/or some innappropriate male activity in the woods but what they > > > > snagged instead was a lot of people allowing dogs to swim in this > lake. > > > > Including a nice couple from Germany visiting relatives and somehow > > > > their dog got away from them and they were lost but still they got > > > > busted. In the end it was all thrown out because some protocol hadnt > > > > been followed but I got the distinct feeling that since they hadnt > > > > gotten who they wnated to get, the police were very happy to make a > > > > bunch of dog owners feel like serious criminals and came down all > the > > > > more tough on us precisely because they didnt find what they were > > > > "really" out there looking for. > > > > > > > > Liz > > > > ---- > > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 07:27:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:35:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'glshorse@ior.com'" , 'Barbara' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:30:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.5305.0> Precedence: bulk They are knocking on doors of suburbs, USA.. where the dogs are considered family members , the majority of the people are upper middle class, educated, and full care is given to their pets. granted there are the people who lived here before the area was trendy, that are not as well off, but they care for their pets.. ( in fact, the Welcome Wagon Lady's nose went extremely snobbish when I informed her I was a working woman) Too me, in this area, it is a waste of paid salary money.. > ---------- > From: Barbara[SMTP:bjs10@cornell.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 9:03 AM > To: Drag, Gloria J.; 'glshorse@ior.com' > Subject: RE: Nonglass: grafitti > > There is a possibility there is more to this than what it seems here... I > do know that the great state of Pennsylvania has suffered with an > extremely > dangerous outbreak of rabbies...... Public Health officials have the > charge of containing these outbreaks and are supported with specific > procedures that insure the compliance of the public. I live not too far > from the Pa. border and there have been several incidents of rabbies here > in the Southern Tier of NY.... the PH officials here are very interested > in > minimizing these incidents. Nothing is easy about protecting the public. > > Barbara > > > > At 06:56 AM 7/28/99 -0400, Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > >Liz, > > you are so right.. I am looking into the legal part of them coming in > your > >house without a warrant.. I was told, they do not have to have access. > I > >have 3 acres with (now) a locked fence (driveway) 2 acres away from the > >house. My lawyer said that I did not have to give them access. The > locked > >gate is like the locked house.. but still how are they fining these > people > >in their own homes.. Could understand if in a park and you were > confronted, > >but your HOME!!! > >I sympathize with your dog crisis.. That is one reason I left the city > .. > >The pups could not even run anymore. Leash laws. but they did not catch > the > >perverts showing themselves.. no, but dog people.. > >take care > >Gloria > > > >> ---------- > >> From: Elizabeth Arakelian[SMTP:glshorse@ior.com] > >> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 3:39 PM > >> To: Drag, Gloria J. > >> Cc: Bungi List; Charles R. Clark > >> Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti > >> > >> Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > >> > > >> > What gets me is this.. With all the crime in the cities, our county > has > >> > decided to have dog catchers go from door to door to make sure your > dog > >> is > >> > properly licensed and currently vetted.. I think the great state of > >> > Pennsylvania and the county of Allegheny could have used the expenses > of > >> > this manpower team to find crack houses, help homeless children, > clean > >> the > >> > streets, or, maybe even support the arts, but to bust senior > citizens > >> on > >> > fixed incomes and fine them $300 for not having a license.. makes me > >> sick. > >> > My pet peeve of the day. > >> > thanks for allowing me to vent > >> > Gloria > >> > > ---------- > >> > >> no, you know what it is Gloria is it makes the powers that be feel that > >> they are doing something to deflect from the fact that they arent doing > >> anything about what they should be doing something about. Reminds me > of > >> when I got busted for letting my dog swim where he shouldnt have been. > >> Apparently the police were all set up trying to bust some partying kids > >> and/or some innappropriate male activity in the woods but what they > >> snagged instead was a lot of people allowing dogs to swim in this lake. > >> Including a nice couple from Germany visiting relatives and somehow > >> their dog got away from them and they were lost but still they got > >> busted. In the end it was all thrown out because some protocol hadnt > >> been followed but I got the distinct feeling that since they hadnt > >> gotten who they wnated to get, the police were very happy to make a > >> bunch of dog owners feel like serious criminals and came down all the > >> more tough on us precisely because they didnt find what they were > >> "really" out there looking for. > >> > >> Liz > >> > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 11:03:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:37:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199907281336.JAA25597@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > previously, towns have better things to do than to fine people for > unlicensed dogs. All dogs, however, should be vaccinated against > rabies and proof should be available that it was done. That's what the license does: prove that the dog has been vaccinated against rabies. I don't understand the animus against protecting the community from unvaccinated, unlicensed, "dangerous" dogs. If we are responsible members of our community, why wouldn't we a) admit that we have dogs and b) be responsible toward both the dogs and our neighbors? Kinda strayed from "grafitti," haven't we? Kinda strayed from glass, too. My 2c worth. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 11:06:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:29:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Bungi Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unsubscribe and resubscribe Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:34:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.1343.0> Precedence: bulk Could the administrator of this list (Glenna Rand?) please kindly unsubscribe ezcomezgo@earthlink.net and subscribe rrkerr@pacbell.net Thank you kindly .... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 11:10:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: apex.net!bthaler From: "Bill Thaler" To: "Glenna Rand" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: suppliers Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:49:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.6495.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BED8EF.31709E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable up until this past march i lived upstate new york, snow country. i now live in paducah, kentucky. i, too am looking for a glass supplier in my area, but have been = unsuccessful. back in new york i taught stained glass to seniors using = the copper foil method, although i did do lead came and brass covered = lead came.=20 my love is the tiffany method. i aways bought all my supplies fron Hudson Glass Co., Inc. in Peekskill, = New York.=20 I probably will still use them untill i find some one closer. if you want i can give you their 800 number and you can ask for a = catologue. my supplies always cost over 400 dollars and that would be discounted by = 33%.=20 no tax if purchasing from out of state and the discount pays for the = shipping with a little left over.=20 you said you started six momnths ago, well i startted about 25 years = ago. good luck bill thaler ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BED8EF.31709E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
up until this past march i lived = upstate new=20 york, snow country.
i now live in paducah, = kentucky.
i, too am looking for a glass = supplier in my=20 area, but have been unsuccessful. back in new york i taught stained = glass to=20 seniors using the copper foil method, although i did do lead came and = brass=20 covered lead came. 
my love is the tiffany = method.
i aways bought all my supplies fron = Hudson Glass=20 Co., Inc. in Peekskill, New York.
I probably will still use them = untill i find=20 some one closer.
if you want i can give you their 800 = number and=20 you can ask for a catologue.
my supplies always cost over 400 = dollars and=20 that would be discounted by 33%.
no tax if purchasing from out of = state and the=20 discount pays for the shipping with a little left = over. 
you said you started six momnths = ago, well i=20 startted about 25 years ago.
good luck
bill = thaler
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BED8EF.31709E00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 12:13:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:12:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:32:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.1329.0> References: <<199907281336.JAA25597@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > previously, towns have better things to do than to fine people for > > unlicensed dogs. All dogs, however, should be vaccinated against > > rabies and proof should be available that it was done. > > That's what the license does: prove that the dog has been vaccinated > against rabies. I don't understand the animus against protecting the > community from unvaccinated, unlicensed, "dangerous" dogs. If we are > responsible members of our community, why wouldn't we a) admit that > we have dogs and b) be responsible toward both the dogs and our > neighbors? Bad Albert ... very bad. Using logic ... how terribly uncouth. > Kinda strayed from "grafitti," haven't we? Kinda strayed from glass, > too. Indeed. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 12:33:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.105359.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" >If we are = responsible members of our community, why wouldn't we a) admit that = we have dogs and b) be responsible toward both the dogs and our = neighbors?< You are such a libertarian, you! hahahaha.... I've mailed a check to Julie that you should be getting momentarily.... sent it priority mail. Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 12:39:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:54:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.10543.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" >Kinda strayed from glass, = too. My 2c worth.< I think I mentioned the same thing = some days ago.... Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 13:37:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:02:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bill Thaler" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: suppliers Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:57:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.115711.0> Precedence: bulk If you check the web site of the International Guild of Glass Artists, you'll see listed the Sources Guide which will give you all kinds of places to buy glass all over the country! Go to http://www.igga.org/ for more information. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 16:42:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti-more on dogs Date: Wed, 28 Jul 99 05:03:43 Message-ID: <199907282310.RAA13338@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Being an animal lover I have to speak up here also... In the places I've lived there are two licenses.. 1.rabies tag and 2. dog licenses Different purposes to each. Both required (but not always gotten) 1. for health reasons.. I do remember as a child a foaming dog running down the street and the panic it caused in the parents.. one went and found his gun and shot him.. then they called the police.. about 1956 I think. 2. for purposes of restricting amounts of animals within city limits.. over 3 and they want you to have a 'kennel license' and the various shelters/buildings attendant to.. lately, the cities have required both the license and a neuter/spay certificate.. one of mine is not spayed, and I have plans for puppies there.. so I haven't reported, like a good citizen should, my pets.. Also, some cities are even requiring licenses for cats now.. my city in Colorado, has a _leash law_ on cats.. !!! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 18:15:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: The E-Tour - tools Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:27:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199907290034.AAA26069@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear All, A few days more.... and I will be on the move. A couple of people have suggested to me that it might be a good idea to post into Bungi what tools you should bring when you attend my workshops in USA. So here goes.... Please note.... There are 2 workshops planned at Silver Springs, Maryland in August (14 and 15; as well as 21 and 22), another one in Kansas City 11 and 12 September, another one around 18/19 September in Seattle and a final one 25/26 September in/around Tampa/Sarasota in Florida It's entirely up to YOU whether or not we will meet up and spend a weekend together. It is highly unlikely that I will visit USA ever again. I am coming to USA purely because YOU have asked me. I am spending TWO months away from Toby, my cottage, my work, my students and a gentle English summer., and my English family. I work virtually exclusively in lead, with all its problems, solutions and possibilities- which is what I will be bringing with me - from Europe. If you want to join us, you still have a week or so - e-mail lenore (yegnim@aol.com) or carol swann (seaspray@island.net) to get the details !!!!!! What tools should students bring to the w/s???: 1. paper, pencils, rubber, ruller, markies (red, black and blue) 2. 1 wooden board 2 inches larger all round than their design 3. 2 wooden battens lengths equiv to height and width of board, about 1 inch x 1/2 inch thick. 4. 3/4" nails with heads (about 20 - 30) and a number of horseshoe nails - if possible 5. a hammer 6. an old defunct blunt rounded dinner knife (i.e. no point) 7. an old defunct tooth brush 8. an old defunct nail scrubbing brush 9. grozer pliers 10. glass cutter 11. breaking pliers or anything similar from domestic tool box 12. sellotape 13. Garden tool sharpening stone (carburandum stone) 14. sharp plaster chisel (paint scraper) 15. soldering iron, sponge and stand 16. safety glasses/ gloves Best Regards Elisabeth Roberg of North Lights Traditional Stained Glass United Kingdom ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 18:28:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:33:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New project Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:35:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.163510.0> Precedence: bulk Now I'm figuring out the best way to make a realistic (okay, semi-realistic) waterfall...in a panel including a leaping dolphin and a rainbow. (Same lady as the dolphin/earth/crop circle lady). Since I'm just at the concept stage, I thought I'd ask if anyone has done a waterfall they are particularly proud of and any tips? My husband is busy playing a tug game with our vaccinated, liscensed dog, which requires much barking on the dog's part. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 18:46:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:33:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: unsubscribe - The E-Tour Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:27:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199907290034.AAA26066@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Glenna (et al) This is Elisabeth and Toby in UK. In 4 days time I will be winging my way towards you all in USA with my tool-bag and another bag of tricks. In the 2 months that I will be amongst you folks in USA, my home computer system needs to be uncluttered so that I can communicate with Home. I will depend on other people at home to operate, sift and receive and send e-mails. Since I will be WITH you, please unsubscribe me from Bungi until 1st October 99. In the meantime, I'm available to any of you off-Group ....and in Person......... Hey, I'm nervous...... Wish me an UNeventful and safe flight!!!! Much Love to ya all Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 18:47:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Dani Greer , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jul28.103429.0> Precedence: bulk I received 13 messages today in my e-mail. 11 messages were graffiti messages and or replies. I realize that it is my choice to delete them without reading, which I do believe me, but we have more that strayed from glass Lewis and Dani, we have gone completely off the deep end. I unsubcribed from this list once before, and I probably will again. I'll give it another chance, I just hope this thread runs dies quick. If anyone decides to start up a GLASS discussion group, sign me up. Rick --- Dani Greer wrote: > Message text written by "Albert Lewis" > >Kinda strayed from glass, = > > too. My 2c worth.< > > I think I mentioned the same thing = > > some days ago.... > > Best, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 28 19:59:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New project Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:51:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul28.175137.0> References: <<1999Jul28.163510.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Family Account wrote: > > Now I'm figuring out the best way to make a realistic (okay, > semi-realistic) waterfall...in a panel including a leaping dolphin and a > rainbow. (Same lady as the dolphin/earth/crop circle lady). Since I'm > just at the concept stage, I thought I'd ask if anyone has done a > waterfall they are particularly proud of and any tips? > > My husband is busy playing a tug game with our vaccinated, liscensed > dog, which requires much barking on the dog's part. > > Dorothy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've planned different ways to recreate water. try using ripple clear, different types. layer it as well. maybe even putting rocks behind the water to give it a little color. if you go the rock route, try finding some clear with a touch of green to give it that moss on a rock look. never tried any onf these yet. though i've seen rippled glass used on tiffany fountains. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 01:53:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Toby Subject: Re: The E-Tour - tools Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:55:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.95551.0> References: <<199907290034.AAA26069@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Just to help the USA members about the tools: Sellotape equals Scotch tape In message <199907290034.AAA26069@saturn.nildram.co.uk>, Toby writes >Dear All, >A few days more.... and I will be on the move. >A couple of people have suggested to me that it might be a good idea >to post into Bungi what tools you should bring when you attend my >workshops in USA. >So here goes.... ....cut...... >12. sellotape > >....cut..... -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 03:57:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 03:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: glass@bungi.com, 'Family Account' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: New project Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:20:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.22041.0> Precedence: bulk I have not done a waterfall, but I would consider using a tight ripple glass with the ripple going up and down and not sideways. and having the ripple side being the front of the panel. > ---------- > From: Family Account[SMTP:shad@mail2.nai.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:35 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: New project > > Now I'm figuring out the best way to make a realistic (okay, > semi-realistic) waterfall...in a panel including a leaping dolphin and a > rainbow. (Same lady as the dolphin/earth/crop circle lady). Since I'm > just at the concept stage, I thought I'd ask if anyone has done a > waterfall they are particularly proud of and any tips? > > My husband is busy playing a tug game with our vaccinated, liscensed > dog, which requires much barking on the dog's part. > > Dorothy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 06:00:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:25:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: New project Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:23:32 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul29.122332.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/28/99 9:29:41 PM, shad@mail2.nai.net writes: >Now I'm figuring out the best way to make a realistic (okay, >semi-realistic) waterfall...in a panel including a leaping dolphin and >a rainbow. I've never made a waterfall in glass, but I have a design for one that's just waiting for a nice *private* place to put the finished panel (since what's frolicking in this particular waterfall ain't no dolphin, heh heh heh - funny thing, it looks an awful lot like me and my other half...........) I have this pipe dream of incorporating it into the tub/shower enclosure when we remodel our bathroom one o' these ole daze. But anyhoo, some ideas I'd like to try: (1) clear or pale aqua nuggets/globs for bubbles (2) a mixture of Baroque and drapery glass for the falling water (3) possibly mounting the entire scene behind a sheet of that funky Yough (?) clear/ice for a "mist" effect Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 06:17:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:25:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The E-Tour - tools Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:23:34 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul29.122334.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/29/99 4:54:23 AM, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk writes: >Just to help the USA members about the tools: > >Sellotape equals Scotch tape Yeah, and "rubbers" are erasers............. I still laugh when I think of the time I was at the library doing homework with a guy I was dating (who was from the British Crown Colony of Hong Kong; this was during our freshman year in college) and he asked me if I had a rubber he could borrow........ I nearly died! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 07:08:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:48:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.24834.0> Precedence: bulk Relax Rick! 13 e-mail is NOTHING!! Glass conversation is very frequent on this list... as is non-glass. I've found the most invaluable glass advice HERE! And I've also found good conversation with a wide array of really neat people. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face. Enjoy bungi for what you want out of it... and delete the rest. You can worry about bigger problems! Blake :-) -----Original Message----- From: Rick To: Dani Greer ; glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti >I received 13 messages today in my e-mail. 11 messages >were graffiti messages and or replies. I realize that >it is my choice to delete them without reading, which >I do believe me, but we have more that strayed from >glass Lewis and Dani, we have gone completely off the >deep end. I unsubcribed from this list once before, >and I probably will again. I'll give it another >chance, I just hope this thread runs dies quick. > >If anyone decides to start up a GLASS discussion >group, sign me up. > >Rick > >--- Dani Greer wrote: >> Message text written by "Albert Lewis" >> >Kinda strayed from glass, = >> >> too. My 2c worth.< >> >> I think I mentioned the same thing = >> >> some days ago.... >> >> Best, >> >> Dani Greer >> Greer Gallery & Studios >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: >> glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: >> glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >=== >http://home.fuse.net/crafts > >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 07:26:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New project Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.45758.0> References: <<1999Jul29.22041.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Drag, Gloria J. wrote: > > I have not done a waterfall, but I would consider using a tight ripple glass > with the ripple going up and down and not sideways. and having the ripple > side being the front of the panel. > > > ---------- > > From: Family Account[SMTP:shad@mail2.nai.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:35 PM > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: New project > > > > Now I'm figuring out the best way to make a realistic (okay, > > semi-realistic) waterfall...in a panel including a leaping dolphin and a > > rainbow. (Same lady as the dolphin/earth/crop circle lady). Since I'm > > just at the concept stage, I thought I'd ask if anyone has done a > > waterfall they are particularly proud of and any tips? > > > > My husband is busy playing a tug game with our vaccinated, liscensed > > dog, which requires much barking on the dog's part. > > > > Dorothy > > there's also fipple glass (fibroid ripple) uroboros makes it i think. that can give you an extra amount of texture as well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 08:10:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:27:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.4278.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BED9A4.87829AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we should stick to the subject of glass more often. That is why = I got into the group to talk about & acquire knowledge about new things = about glass, & pick up new ideals. If we want to talk about something = else why don't we just e-mail that person & not put it on bungi. It is = just a thought. this is only my opinion. Thank You for your ears. Mary* ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BED9A4.87829AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think we should stick to the = subject of glass=20 more often. That is why I got into the group to talk about & acquire = knowledge about new things about glass, & pick up new ideals.  = If we=20 want to talk about something else why don't we just e-mail that person = & not=20 put it on bungi.   It is = just=20 a  thought.   this  is only my opinion.  Thank = You for=20 your ears.
Mary*
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BED9A4.87829AE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 08:30:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:49:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hotshop Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.44816.0> Precedence: bulk Can I claim to do hot glass work, when my workshop is a sunroom, and its 105* outside? I dont even want to consider the heat index. To top it off, today Im soldering. Think Im not going to ventilate as well as I usually do when I solder. Im visiting some friends in the Bay Area next week. Cant wait to pack a sweater! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- Choosing is only difficult for those with imagination ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 09:23:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:25:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!ATFSI From: ATFSI@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG - Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:23:31 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul29.152331.0> Precedence: bulk My 2 cents..as I read a bunch of lists..i like the way people are nice enough to put "NG" (non-glass) in subjects which are basically conversation..its really like sharing two lists and easy to skip through..I wish all the list did that.. Jack ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 10:18:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG Griping! Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.61313.0> Precedence: bulk Ok. Where are all the mailing list nazi's coming from?!?! Who joins a list, and then tries to dictate to the others what they shall and shant do? If you enjoy the glass. Then enjoy the glass. If there's something you don't enjoy... then delete it and shut the heck up about it. I'm sorry. I know I'm showing a rather rude side right now... and maybe I'm out of line, or having a bad day... but for Pete's sake!, if you're not happy here then go elsewhere!!! Maybe this just isn't the right place for you! Some of us enjoy the camaraderie with friends from whom we can also talk 'glass' when we feel like it. The above opinion is just that. It is MY opinion and not 'Bungi's' as a whole. I apologize to the general bungi for even sending this... but I think I'd be madder if myself if I didn't. Sincerely, Blake |:-/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 10:38:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:13:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.6133.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BED9B3.53B38580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blake, Thank you for your input. I think you got up on the wrong side of the bed today. Sorry I just = can't agree with how you think I should all the time. I have a right to = my opinion. Right or Wrong. I hope you have a better day tomorrow. = Have a good day. Mary* ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BED9B3.53B38580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Blake,
 
Thank you for your input.
 
I think you got up on the wrong side = of the bed=20 today.  Sorry I just can't agree with how you think I should all = the=20 time.  I have a right to my opinion.  Right or Wrong.  I = hope you=20 have a better day tomorrow.  Have a good day.
Mary*
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BED9B3.53B38580-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 11:11:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Stained Glass Lamps" , Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:09:21 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Gatewayed mail message" on Jul 29, 9:27, "Stained Glass Lamps" writes:] > > I think we should stick to the subject of glass more often. That is why = > I got into the group to talk about & acquire knowledge about new things = > about glass, & pick up new ideals. If we want to talk about something = > else why don't we just e-mail that person & not put it on bungi. It is = > just a thought. this is only my opinion. Thank You for your ears. Yes,..I agree. I usually send new members this msg. You are on the stained glass email mailing list. There have been some technical changes. As a reminder to all, the stained glass list is intended to be a resource that people can use to discuss issues related to glass work. It is not for discussing the personal habits of people, or their probably parentage. We *do not* want to moderate this list. We feel that people should have the ability to express their ideas openly. Please; this list goes to over 400 people, all around the world. There *will* be differences of opinion. If so, please take it offline. To that end, I have made a technical change in how the list works. Before, replying would automatically send to the stained glass list. Now, replying will send the message back only to the originator. If your reply is meant for the list as well, you will need to change the To: address to glass@bungi.com. Hopefully, this minor change will both help avoid the recent flame-fests, and help people stay in a positive frame of mind. Let us know if you have any questions. Dave & Glenna Rand -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 11:23:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hotshop Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:54:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.85433.0> References: <<1999Jul29.44816.0>> Precedence: bulk There's hot glass and then there's hot glass workers.... (At least we're not - most of us - shingling a roof or tarring a road!) Dorothy - who will be outside ALL Saturday at a wedding where it's forcast to be over 90! I'm helping set it up and just bought a mister hose, so we can keep the babies cool! Suzanne Gunn wrote: > Can I claim to do hot glass work, when my workshop is a sunroom, and its > 105* outside? I dont even want to consider the heat index. > > To top it off, today Im soldering. Think Im not going to ventilate as > well as I usually do when I solder. > > Im visiting some friends in the Bay Area next week. Cant wait to pack a > sweater! ;o) > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Choosing is only difficult > for those with imagination > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 11:31:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: New project Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:11:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.81139.0> Precedence: bulk when i toured US 1 on the california coast a number of years ago, i stopped into a rock shop in big sur. this is one of the places that they get natural jade from in the us. i purchased a few oblong slices, each about 1/4" to 1/8" thick, for exactly this use: foiled and placed in a panel at the bottom of a waterfall. they are a beautiful, translucent, bluish-green with great mottling. it might also be a good place to use sliced geodes. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Family Account [mailto:shad@mail2.nai.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:35 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: New project > > > Now I'm figuring out the best way to make a realistic (okay, > semi-realistic) waterfall...in a panel including a leaping > dolphin and a > rainbow. (Same lady as the dolphin/earth/crop circle lady). > Since I'm > just at the concept stage, I thought I'd ask if anyone has done a > waterfall they are particularly proud of and any tips? > > My husband is busy playing a tug game with our vaccinated, liscensed > dog, which requires much barking on the dog's part. > > Dorothy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 12:06:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG Tonsils Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:20:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.92040.0> Precedence: bulk Just found out my 4 year old, budding artist needs to have his tonsils out. Any words of wisdom or encouragement from anyone who has gone through this??? In view of the gripping you can respond off line at vmodiano@ctronsoft.com . Vic M. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 14:12:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:24:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.102438.0> Precedence: bulk Glenna, please unsub me from this list. Blake ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 15:11:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Stained Glass Lamps" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.131141.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Stained Glass Lamps" >I think we should stick to the subject of glass more often. That is why = =3D I got into the group to talk about & acquire knowledge about new things =3D= about glass, & pick up new ideals.< And, remember, anyone can feel free to start a = new conversation. I mean, you wouldn't go to a = party and expect everyone to entertain you, right? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 15:25:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.133111.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the reminder, Glenna. I don't = think it would be a bad idea to post this = notice on the first of each month. What = lots of folks don't realize is that we've lost so many marvelous and knowledgeable stained glass artists over the years because they simply got tired of the off-topic posts and occasional flame-fests. Bungi was once a really great learning forum and hopefully it will become that again. In the meantime, don't be afraid to start up a good glass conversation! Nobody on this list is here to entertain the masses. Everyone has a = responsibility to keep the conversation going! So speak up now and then! Take part! You get back ten-fold what you give. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 15:46:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG Griping! Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:11:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.131145.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" >Ok. Where are all the mailing list nazi's coming from?!?! Who joins a list, and then tries to dictate to the others what they shall= and shant do?< Blake, it's kind of a rule on bungi to stick to the subject of glass.... before you joined, we've had the list shut = down by the folks who so generously donate this space for our use. While I'm on the topic, let me take the opportunity to say a big thank you to Glenna and Dave Rand for administering this list. Glenna is a stained glass artist and I'm sure she appreciates conversations about glass more than every other subject under the sun.... and, I might add that she's alot less of a list nazi than I would be if I owned it! It's a pretty casual arrangement, but let's use some common sense. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 16:07:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: texcom-mail.army.mil!kellypatrick From: "Patrick Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: New Project Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:29:12 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk The landscape scene that I made for an interior door insert had a = waterfall in it. I used a lighter blue for the middle (streaky) and a = progressively got darker to the edges....The intent was that the water was = rushing over the middle and gently cascading over the sides pieces. It = turned out very nice. If I were home I would sent a photo. PATRICK Roses and Rainbows When I get home remind me and I'll send you a photo. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 16:18:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel To: "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Tonsils Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:52:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.7522.0> References: <<1999Jul29.92040.0>> Precedence: bulk "Modiano, Victor" wrote: > > Just found out my 4 year old, budding artist needs to have his tonsils out. > Any words of wisdom or encouragement from anyone who has gone through > this??? =================================== I would give you some but I just had my wisdom teeth removed!! I feel so stupid now...! Daniel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 16:41:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Rick Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.131118.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Rick > If anyone decides to start up a GLASS discussion group, sign me up.< How about you start one this time, Rick! LOL. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 18:20:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:04:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!nbg3755 From: Nancy B Gildersleeve To: Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: New project Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:36:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.113651.0> Precedence: bulk Your jade panel sounds just lovely. I wish I could see a photo of it. What a good idea! I've been collecting geodes and slices of various translucent semiprecious gemstones/minerals to use for a while now and have incorporated a few into candle "shelters" with dubious results. Nancy G ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 18:42:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: New project Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:31:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.133114.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome back to bungi, Charlie! I had the pleasure of a little visit from Charlie and his wife last week while they were vacationing out my way.... It was a treat and Michael and I really enjoyed visiting with you. Next time bring stained glass pictures, though! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 19:02:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cap.lampman.sk.ca!dmbarker From: "Dawn Marie Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Geodes used in glass Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:22:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.92254.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone on the list mentioned using geodes in a waterfall panel. I = have seen geodes used in box lids before - but cannot for the life of me = figure out how to foil the crinkly, porous edges of the geodes I have... = can anyone tell me? TIA. Dawn ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Someone on the list mentioned using geodes in = a =20 waterfall panel.  I have seen geodes used in box lids before - but = cannot=20 for the life of me figure out how to foil the crinkly, porous edges of = the=20 geodes I have... can anyone tell me?  TIA.
 
Dawn
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 20:37:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cap.lampman.sk.ca!dmbarker From: "Dawn Marie Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Geodes used in glass Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:22:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.92254.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone on the list mentioned using geodes in a waterfall panel. I = have seen geodes used in box lids before - but cannot for the life of me = figure out how to foil the crinkly, porous edges of the geodes I have... = can anyone tell me? TIA. Dawn ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Someone on the list mentioned using geodes in = a =20 waterfall panel.  I have seen geodes used in box lids before - but = cannot=20 for the life of me figure out how to foil the crinkly, porous edges of = the=20 geodes I have... can anyone tell me?  TIA.
 
Dawn
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 20:40:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: NOT GLASS Date: Thu Jul 29 17:20:26 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.145826.0> References: <<1999Jul29.131118.0>> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk for anyone that would like to go to a glass list that does allow chatting, try glasschat@onelist.com it is a new list, only a few people so far,,,,but it is there so that the glass people can chat without bothering those who only want glass.... sounds like a good idea to me... and sorry for the non-glass post, but it is in a while a glass post! thanx again debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: Dani Greer To: Rick Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Nonglass: grafitti > Message text written by Rick > > > If anyone decides to start up a GLASS discussion > group, sign me up.< > > How about you start one this time, Rick! LOL. > > Best, > > Dani Greer > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 20:55:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!rrkerr From: rrk To: Dani Greer , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Griping! Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:00:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.10013.0> References: <<1999Jul29.131145.0>> Precedence: bulk Dani Greer wrote: > ..... say a big thank you to Glenna and Dave Rand for administering this list. I second that. I'll upload a virtual bottle of champagne ... or beer ... or tea ... or whatever ... to them for doing this. Non-virtual will have to wait till I meet em in the flesh, when/if. You know we have a 2 yr old daughter whose favorite thingtodo when she doesn't get what she wants, or WE don't behave like SHE wants, is to scream loudly, sit down, and then throw herself down back to the ground (sometimes hard enough to hurt the back of her head). We ignore her when she does this ... and the same thing happens at school ... so this behavior is diminishing slowly but surely. She's just trying to get attention I suppose ... + a little domination thang ... + something to do with territoriality. She'll get over it ... and so will some of the folks on this list. Speaking of my daughter ... and this is totally off-topic, non-glass that is (so what) : Our 2 yr old daughter's godparents, who are themselves childless by the luck of the draw, lost their 17 year 4 month and some number of days old cat yesterday. Never knew those creatures lived that long. Not that I particularly like cats you understand ... I *am* a guy after all. Lets move on ... shall we? Regards to all ....... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 21:38:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Let's be more "GLASS" positive Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:39:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.153934.0> Precedence: bulk I understood this was a "stained glass" exchange when I joined, but have been very disappointed with all the "garbage" messages that have appeared here. I too was seriously considering dropping out. When you get so many messages on grafitti, tonsils, etc. they are in the wrong forum. I too have deleted many messages without reading, but think the messages should at least have something to do with stained glass or not appear here. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 21:47:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Here to Learn Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:57:22 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul30.25722.0> Precedence: bulk Hi bungians, Seems that we have a new member that says she is here to learn from us. From what I have seen of Her (their) work they have a lot that they can teach us.Arkie and Mary from Indiana the fine state that it is (I live there also).They make some incredible 3-D Lamps and have just published a book on the subject which I might add I will be requesting a copy of soon.Howard and the Hoosiers should have a lot to talk about, not to mention Mike Savad and all of his 3-D projects.I believe that we should be able to generate some good glass topics with all of the new things going on in the world of glass these days to keep us all interested.I'm heading to Kokomo this Monday I'll let everyone know whats new from there after I'm back. Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 22:14:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass shows input Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:01:30 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.7130.0> Precedence: bulk Hello We ahve gone to the glass Visions and loved it (fist show for a new company - however I was wondering if anyone had info on the one in tampa as far as a web page I have there email address but do not have reply so far. we were interested in learning bead making class and kiln work for new people - would love any advice on this matter- also has anyone gone to customer appreciation days at ed hoys international- how does it compare to warner -criv. (glass visions)? thanks so much in advance- ricky glass expressions ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 29 23:42:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: Here to Learn Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.21224.0> Precedence: bulk Stan, Have a safe trip. I hope Arike will share with us how he does the final soldering, we talked about this several months ago. His stuff is amazing. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 12:54 AM Subject: Here to Learn >Hi bungians, >Seems that we have a new member that says she is here to learn from us. From >what I have seen of Her (their) work they have a lot that they can teach >us.Arkie and Mary from Indiana the fine state that it is (I live there >also).They make some incredible 3-D Lamps and have just published a book on >the subject which I might add I will be requesting a copy of soon.Howard and >the Hoosiers should have a lot to talk about, not to mention Mike Savad and >all of his 3-D projects.I believe that we should be able to generate some >good glass topics with all of the new things going on in the world of glass >these days to keep us all interested.I'm heading to Kokomo this Monday I'll >let everyone know whats new from there after I'm back. Beveler4(Stan) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 01:07:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:05:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!atayloreddesign From: "Glass Expressions" (by way of Delores Taylor ) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: glass shows Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 03:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199907300703.DAA28905@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Rick.... Don't have any info on Tampa... I do Kiln working, haven't tried flame working. Did you want to get information via books or only through classes? The books I would recommend are Boyce Lundstrom Books 1-3 depending on how indepth you want to go. Book 1 has a great section on testing for compatability and testing for the melting and strain point for glass. Gil Reynold's book The Fused Glass is great for beginners who would like projects that progress in skill level. For indepth technical info you just can't beat Dan Fenton's kiln notes and his book on Pate de Verre and Kiln Casting of Glass. Keith Cummings Techniques of Kiln formed Glass is great because it discusses techniques and has great graphics to clarify the text, excellent photos of artist's work and opens up more information for going large with casting work. Glass an Artist's Medium by Lucartha Kohler discusses lampworking, casting and has truely inspirational photos in it. Harriette Anderson's book on Kiln-Fired Glass is a very good book for beginner's and even gets into making molds out of clay which frees you up from commercially made molds. I'm fairly new to this group. I started as a hobbiest years ago, now I'm an at home artist and teach beginning fusing at a local retail glass shop on the east side of Seattle. If you would like to know about someone in your area that would provide quality instruction on fusing I'd need to know where you live. I might be able to recommend someone in your area. Hot Glass Horizons is a workshop/show that is taught twice a year. The locations are Corning, NY and Portland OR. There are hot glass classes and lamp working (Loreen Stump is the most awesome lamp worker I've seen). If you get Glass Art magazine he was featured in the May/June 98 issue. It was so impressive when I read the article. When I got to meet him in person and see the work he was dragging around (a leopard that looked so real it could jump out at you) I was in awe. The other hot glass workers at HGH are well known and respected in their field and have impressive work they display/teach at HGH. Dan Fenton does workshops all over the country and provides a wealth of information. There's lots of venues that are out there based on where you want to travel or live....... Hope that helps. Delores A Taylor'd Design Hello We ahve gone to the glass Visions and loved it (fist show for a new company - however I was wondering if anyone had info on the one in tampa as far as a web page I have there email address but do not have reply so far. we were interested in learning bead making class and kiln work for new people - would love any advice on this matter- also has anyone gone to customer appreciation days at ed hoys international- how does it compare to warner -criv. (glass visions)? thanks so much in advance- ricky glass expressions ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 02:49:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Glass question...maybe.... Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 03:18:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul29.23181.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEDA3A.21686280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Does anyone know when the next Glass Exhibition that they have in Las = Vegas is going to be next year. I checked with IGGA and Art Glass = World..no info. Isn't usually in March? My 2 cents. It seems that every 6 months we go thru the non glass discussion. Hang = in there new members! We do talk alot of glass. But, we do get off = topic from time to time. In fact, I had saved a closing argument that = made everyone happy or at least satisfied. Dani was it you who wrote = it? Stan? Sparks? Bob? Dorothy? Albert? Christie? Tulsa Suzanne? Elizabeth? Patrick? Glenna? Did anyone save = that particular post. My computer crashed and I lost it. I guess, I'll = have to look thru the archives. =20 Any way they were very eloquent! If you can find it please post again.=20 Jill ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEDA3A.21686280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
Does anyone know when the next Glass = Exhibition=20 that they have in Las Vegas is going to be next year.  I checked = with IGGA=20 and Art Glass World..no info.  Isn't usually in March?
 
My 2 cents.
It seems that every 6 months we go = thru the non=20 glass discussion.  Hang in there new members!  We do talk alot = of=20 glass.  But, we do get off topic from time to time.  In fact, = I had=20 saved a closing argument that made everyone happy or at least = satisfied. =20 Dani was it you who wrote it?  Stan? Sparks? Bob? Dorothy? =20 Albert?
Christie?  Tulsa=20 Suzanne?  Elizabeth? Patrick?  Glenna? Did anyone save that = particular=20 post.  My computer crashed and I lost it.  I guess, I'll have = to look=20 thru the archives. 
 
Any way they were very eloquent!  If you can = find it=20 please post again.
 
Jill
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEDA3A.21686280-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 05:43:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "Glass Expressions" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: glass shows input Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:50:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.35032.0> References: <<1999Jul30.7130.0>> Precedence: bulk >Hello We ahve gone to the glass Visions and loved it (fist show >for a new company - however I was wondering if anyone had info >on the one in tampa as far as a web page I have there email >address but do not have reply so far. Thank you for the compliment. Las Vegas Management has a link on the Glass Visions site; http://www.glassvisions.com , it is in the lower left hand corner. This will take you to a complet listing of classes etc. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 07:43:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "jazzykid" , "Bungi" Subject: Re: Glass question...maybe.... Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:55:11 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Glass question...maybe...." on Jul 30, 3:18, "jazzykid" writes:] > > Does anyone know when the next Glass Exhibition that they have in Las = > Vegas is going to be next year. I checked with IGGA and Art Glass = > World..no info. Isn't usually in March? Looks like it's going to be March 9-12th, 2000 -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 08:12:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Jade and stained glass (was New Project) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:18:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.161858.0> Precedence: bulk At 12:11 29/07/99 -0400,Charlie wrote: >when i toured US 1 on the california coast a number of years ago, i stopped >into a rock shop in big sur. this is one of the places that they get natural >jade from in the us. i purchased a few oblong slices, each about 1/4" to >1/8" thick, for exactly this use: foiled and placed in a panel at the bottom >of a waterfall. they are a beautiful, translucent, bluish-green with great >mottling. I remember reading about a whole church window made out of jade -I think collected and commisioned by the founder of Kraft Foods. It was in Professional Stained Glass (?)I think abut 10 years ago. Unfortunately my whole collection of 4 years worth of the magazine was lent out to a student looking for a particular design who moved away before returning them so I cant check where it was installed :-( Has anyone any knowledge of it? EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 11:38:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Sell Yourself - Marketing Tips - Stained Glass Artists Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:54:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.11540.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, this is about stained glass - but different. I have been a member of this list for several months because I want to start "doing" stained glass. I have decided my first step will be the stepping stones, as a hobby. I have done about every craft imaginable but have always been intrigued by stained glass and didn't know where to start. This mailing list has been a tremendous resource and inspiration, although some of it is over my head. I have saved many of your mailings to a floppy disk ( 3 to date) for future reference. I have been a marketing consultant for years and am now launching a coaching business. You have all been so great with glass info, but I need some help and I think I can return the favor in my own area of expertise. Here's the offer - To gain experience and testimonials I will offer free coaching sessions to any stained glass enthusiast who would like tips for marketing their business and themselves. We can do this by email and/or phone. I can help with developing a target market, developing a marketing plan and be a resource for questions and concerns that come your way. Think of me as your own personal cheerleader - someone who will provide support, guidance and encouragement So, if you are having trouble seeing the light, or just forgot where you were going - give this a try. The name of my business is "Envision Success" and you can contact me at tamis@soltec.net. I so look forward to hearing from you. Tami "If one is lucky, a solitary fantasy can totally transform one million realities." Maya Angelou ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 12:03:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:36:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Agate Slabs Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:33:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.7339.0> Precedence: bulk Does any one know of any (or many) links r't jade or agate slabs? Thx, David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 12:08:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:59:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.75927.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEDA8B.5AE021A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Linda Jo You asked if I would share with the group how I solder my = three-dimensional sculptures. I use 60 /40 solder as it don't take so = much heat, & it flows better. The solder job will either, make your = piece look great or make it look bad. I take one drop at a time when I = work on my lamps, I touch pause lift as I draw it along the line = slowly. You can not get in a hurry when you solder. Just imagine what = you want the solder to look like & make it look that way. So remember, = as your solder builds up, touch pause lift, your solder. When I work = on a project that takes me a couple of mos. what's another day or two = to solder, go slow. Hope this will help. Arkie & Mary Pisello ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEDA8B.5AE021A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Linda Jo
You asked if I would share with the = group how I=20 solder my three-dimensional sculptures.  I use 60 /40 solder as it = don't=20 take so much heat, & it flows better.  The solder job will=20 either,  make your piece look great or make it look bad.  I = take one=20 drop at a time when I work on my lamps, I touch pause  lift as I = draw it=20 along the line slowly.  You can not get in a hurry when you = solder. =20 Just imagine what you want the solder to look like & make it look = that=20 way.  So remember, as your  solder builds up, touch pause = lift, =20 your solder.  When I work on a project that takes  me a couple = of mos.=20 what's another day or two to solder, go slow. Hope this will help.  = Arkie=20 & Mary Pisello
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEDA8B.5AE021A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 12:38:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:08:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "J. Dahlin" Subject: Agreement with: Let's be more "GLASS" positive (no need to open) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:59:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.195917.0> References: <<1999Jul29.153934.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1999Jul29.153934.0@?>, J. Dahlin writes >I understood this was a "stained glass" exchange when I joined, but have >been very disappointed with all the "garbage" messages that have >appeared here. I too was seriously considering dropping out. When you >get so many messages on grafitti, tonsils, etc. they are in the wrong >forum. I too have deleted many messages without reading, but think the >messages should at least have something to do with stained glass or not >appear here. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 12:53:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Dawn Marie Barker Subject: Re: Geodes used in glass Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:03:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.2038.0> References: <<1999Jul29.92254.0@?>> Precedence: bulk There are two things you can do, Dawn. 1- Grind the edge to smooth it and to shape it to some extent. 2- score and cut it! It is harder than glass and does have some potential fracture lines, but can be scored and broken. The amount of effort I have found is that of cutting 6mm (1/4 inch) glass. Steve In message <1999Jul29.92254.0@?>, Dawn Marie Barker writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Someone on the list mentioned using geodes in a waterfall panel. I = >have seen geodes used in box lids before - but cannot for the life of me = >figure out how to foil the crinkly, porous edges of the geodes I have... = >can anyone tell me? TIA. > >Dawn > >------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
Someone on the list mentioned using geodes in = >a =20 >waterfall panel.  I have seen geodes used in box lids before - but = >cannot=20 >for the life of me figure out how to foil the crinkly, porous edges of = >the=20 >geodes I have... can anyone tell me?  TIA.
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> >------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BED9D6.3AB19D60-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 13:23:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' , 'Dawn, Marie, Barker' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Geodes used in glass Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:37:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.103711.0> Precedence: bulk Dawn Never tried to use a slice of geodes but it doesn't look that different from a heavy rippled glass. Make sure the slice is not too thick for the glass around it, then try a wider foil (1/4") and burnish down in the groves. Let us know if you try it and it works. Vic M Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Marie Barker [mailto:dmbarker@cap.lampman.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 5:23 PM To: Glasslist Subject: Geodes used in glass Someone on the list mentioned using geodes in a waterfall panel. I have seen geodes used in box lids before - but cannot for the life of me figure out how to foil the crinkly, porous edges of the geodes I have... can anyone tell me? TIA. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 13:51:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!ATFSI From: ATFSI@aol.com To: hotglass@list.bb.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Pyrex Rod (Dichroic volenteers) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:37:28 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul30.193728.0> Precedence: bulk Looking for a few good volenteers to try my feeble attempts at a dichroic pyrex rod. I have a handfull of samples of the first attempt.....atfsi@aol.com Please be brave Jack ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 14:27:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Re: Sell Yourself - Marketing Tips - Stained Glass Artists Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:59:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Jul30.14595.0> Precedence: bulk Steve, of course this applies to the UK. If you can "talk" to bungi, you can "talk" to me. Send me an email. I would love to here from you - tamis@soltec.net. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 30 17:50:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: A glass topic Date: Fri, 30 Jul 99 04:53:46 Message-ID: <199907302300.RAA11905@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk The Annual Glass at the Gardens Show is currently at the Denver Botanic Gardens.. for info on past shows, goto: www2.privatei.com/~candy I'll be taking the photographs tomorrow, and giving me time for developing them, scanning them, and putting it on the webpage.. oh about 3-4 wks, you should be able to see it all online.... but it's not quite the same as in person. So, if you get the opportunity... Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 08:37:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Pattern Index on Warner Criv Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 08:37:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.13719.0> Precedence: bulk First, let me make it perfectly clear that I am NOT affiliated with Warner Criv., but I am amazed at the new pattern index they've added on their web page. It includes a search for patterns in a database of over 10,000 patterns. Once it finds patterns you're looking for, it lists the book and the contents of the book. Someone took some time to do this.......... Their web address is: http://www.warner-criv.com Diane Manchester ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 08:56:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Geodes used in glass Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:36:02 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jul31.13362.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/29/99 11:39:11 PM, dmbarker@cap.lampman.sk.ca writes: >Someone on the list mentioned using geodes in a waterfall panel. I >have seen geodes used in box lids before - but cannot for the life of me >figure out how to foil the crinkly, porous edges of the geodes I have... >can anyone tell me? TIA. I did a. experiment and found that they can be foiled "as is" - it's tricky but it can be done. If you're worried about the foil coming loose during the assembly process, you can use 1/4" wide foil so you've got more sticking to the front and back (smooth) surfaces. Sparks with a whole box of agates out in the garage waiting for me to figure out what I want to make with them ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 11:06:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: texcom-mail.army.mil!kellypatrick From: "Patrick Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: New trick Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Had the good luck to find somebady that gave me a nice tip. When making eyes.. use globs and take your Dremel tool with the round head = (tungsten carbide) make an indentation on the back of the glob make it = into a circle. When done hold it to the light and you can see the circle = through the glob. Paint the circle the correct color. The paint will stick = much better to the ground depression because of roughness of the ground = area. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Still enjoying the Virginia Beach, Va area.....=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 13:07:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: texcom-mail.army.mil!kellypatrick From: "Patrick Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: New trick Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Had the good luck to find somebady that gave me a nice tip. When making eyes.. use globs and take your Dremel tool with the round head = (tungsten carbide) make an indentation on the back of the glob make it = into a circle. When done hold it to the light and you can see the circle = through the glob. Paint the circle the correct color. The paint will stick = much better to the ground depression because of roughness of the ground = area. Patrick Roses and Rainbows Still enjoying the Virginia Beach, Va area.....=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 16:25:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:57:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: "Diane W Manchester" , Subject: Re: Pattern Index on Warner Criv Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:38:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.133811.0> Precedence: bulk Diane - you're right, what a great site. I haven't looked at everything, but that is such a great idea. The free patterns are good also, but to be able to know which book will have what you want would certainly keep me from feeling so overwhelmed. They have so much detail about each book. Thanks, Tami -----Original Message----- From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 3:53 PM Subject: Pattern Index on Warner Criv >First, let me make it perfectly clear that I am NOT affiliated with >Warner Criv., but I am amazed at the new pattern index they've added on >their web page. It includes a search for patterns in a database of over >10,000 patterns. Once it finds patterns you're looking for, it lists the >book and the contents of the book. Someone took some time to do >this.......... >Their web address is: http://www.warner-criv.com > >Diane Manchester >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 16:36:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Geodes used in glass Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:35:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.213517.0> References: <<1999Jul31.13362.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello The only time I used a geode slice I ground the edge but it was quite hard - harder than glass (which surprised me). I didn't try to cut it like glass but I'm sure it would work all right. When I do it again I think I will just take off the worst bits and persevere with the foiling. Not all geodes have such bad edges. You could always have a rummage for some smoother edged specimens. I must be mad because I have a bucket full of slices waiting to used in lampshades & boxes just like you and I too wonder if I will ever get around to it! BtB > > I did a. experiment and found that they can be foiled "as is" - it's tricky > but it can be done. If you're worried about the foil coming loose during the > assembly process, you can use 1/4" wide foil so you've got more sticking to > the front and back (smooth) surfaces. > > > Sparks > with a whole box of agates out in the garage > waiting for me to figure out what I want to make with them > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 16:46:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: massed.net!wmagdycz From: Elaine To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pattern Index on Warner Criv Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.8357.0> References: <<1999Jul31.13719.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm not either, but I really am impressed. I was looking for a specific cat silhouette. The search listed a very detailed description of each cat pattern it found, the book it's in and, when I clicked on the pattern book, I got a detailed list of every pattern in the pattern book. That's above and beyond. I wouldn't mind ordering a pattern book now that I can tell what's in it. Elaine Diane W Manchester wrote: > > First, let me make it perfectly clear that I am NOT affiliated with > Warner Criv., but I am amazed at the new pattern index they've added on > their web page. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 18:00:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: New trick Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <199908010027.UAA23743@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 7/31/99 12:55 PM Patrick Kelly kellypatrick@texcom-mail.army.mil Great tip Patrick, thank you! Notice that when you paint the *back* of nugget, the eyes seem to follow you around. Scary. >Had the good luck to find somebady that gave me a nice tip. > >When making eyes.. use globs and take your Dremel tool with the round head = >(tungsten carbide) make an indentation on the back of the glob make it = >into a circle. When done hold it to the light and you can see the circle = >through the glob. Paint the circle the correct color. The paint will stick = >much better to the ground depression because of roughness of the ground = >area. > > suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 18:30:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:21:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Intrastar" , "Bungi" Subject: New soldering iron Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:21:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.172118.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all... (posted to two lists, so please forgive repeat) I am in the market for a new soldering iron, and want to purchase the best one available. I have a rheostat already, so just need the iron. Thanks in advance! Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 19:03:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass intrastar line" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: New soldering iron Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:24:06 -0400 Message-ID: <199908010124.VAA27636@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 7/31/99 9:21 PM Mary embee@mediaone.net Hi Mary, I'm very happy with my Weller 100 - had only two in twelve years and second one is still going strong. >Hi all... (posted to two lists, so please forgive repeat) >I am in the market for a new soldering iron, and want to purchase the best >one available. I have a rheostat already, so just need the iron. >Thanks in advance! >Mary > > > > suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 19:33:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Mary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New soldering iron Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:46:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.174634.0> References: <<1999Jul31.172118.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Mary wrote: > > Hi all... (posted to two lists, so please forgive repeat) > I am in the market for a new soldering iron, and want to purchase the best > one available. I have a rheostat already, so just need the iron. > Thanks in advance! > Mary > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass so far i;ve had the best luck with my ungar iron. i use the screw in heater unit type with the built in tip. (not the seperate tip). light weight, hand stay's cool, cord is flexible, and it's easy to handle. it's just on the expensive side. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 21:00:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:56:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: heesun.com!keane From: "Robert & Jeanne" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New soldering iron Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:34:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.183439.0> Precedence: bulk Try the Hakko 456 lightweight and a real workhorse. We also use the Weller 100, but find that the Hakko can hold the heat longer through more soldering on the larger projects. Also with the ceramic heater it gets hot QUICK..... I have tried quite a few irons (they're currently cluttering up one of my shelves) but the Hakko and the Weller are about the only two I reach for unless I'm soldering some rebar. Hope this helps. Robert Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd. 324 Main Street Reisterstown , MD 21136 410-833-3007 keane@heesun.com www.heesun.com At 09:21 PM 7/31/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all... (posted to two lists, so please forgive repeat) >I am in the market for a new soldering iron, and want to purchase the best >one available. I have a rheostat already, so just need the iron. >Thanks in advance! >Mary > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 31 21:31:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: subscribe Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:20:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jul31.182021.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEDBAB.42CA5740 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0026_01BEDBAB.42CA5740" ------=_NextPart_001_0026_01BEDBAB.42CA5740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for temporarily unsubscribing me. 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