From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 07:52:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:27:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun1.42744.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I've been requested to send in a Bio. so here goes. My name is Monica. I'm married with three boys ages 19, 15, and 13. We live in Minnesota and love it here although the winters could be shorter. I'm employed full-time as a Paramedic. I've been working on the ambulance for over 10 years now. We work very long hours (24 hour shifts) and average over 144 hours every two weeks. I also teach medical related classes (C.P.R., E.M.T. classes) on average of once a week. Obviously my schedule is not very conducive to most hobbies because I need to be able to work on them at short intervals in between other things. I became interested in stained glass through a friend who does it as a hobby. So far I have only made 2 suncatchers and am now working on my first panel. I have not taken any formal classes although my friend has been an enormous help. I have never been a very crafty person. I can't draw to save my life. So this hobby is great, there are patterns to follow. I stumbled upon this group while surfing the web in search of patterns. (In the area we live the closest stained glass store is many miles away so finding patterns is hard.) I was amazed at the quick insightful response from all of you on my first question's. They were all very helpful. I did not know there were different thickness of foil. Also the advise on holding oval patterns were great. I'm going to try all of them to see which will work out best for me. I'm also trying a new E mail format thanks to Bud Britt. I hope this is easier to read. Thank you for the warm welcome to your group. I look forward to getting to know you all better. Sincerely, Monica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 11:51:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG sorta: B&B in Kokomo Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:21:14 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990601112114.00997a70@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk I'm going to be travelling this summer and will get to stay for a couple of nights in Kokomo. Anyone have a recommendation for a reasonably priced bed & breakfast in the area of Kokomo? regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 15:32:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:04:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Staying Cool Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun1.13756.0> References: <<199906010313.XAA24768@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Hot here, too. We want to pour garden stones tonight, so will probably set up lights and wait until nightfall! Dorothy (who took the good weather with her when she came back from Seattle.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 16:00:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Emeraldine in Seattle Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun1.134027.0> Precedence: bulk We just returned from Seattle. Dorothy's a bit tired, but I find travel not only exhilarating, but a necessity of life. There will always be a bit of that itinerant vitreous worker in me, I suppose. In any case, I found the time to do a bit a research on the Space Needle. Back when the Space Needle was first proposed (it was built for the World's Fair in 1962), there were no clear windows in the design. After all, there's no view in Seattle half the time (just check the weather forecast, anytime. "If it isn't raining, it isn't Seattle" - Dorothy read that on a web page somewhere). The original specifications called for stained glass windows all around. The itinerant vitreous workers made plans to converge on Seattle for the task. They waterproofed and snailproofed their tents and bought new galoushes. Senhor Jay Jay was commissioned to do the design. It was a magnificent design, to hear the Senhor tell it, and he is not inclined to hyperbole. It incorporated so many of the things that make the Pacific Northwest what it is. There was Mount Rainier, bald eagles, orcas leaping from the sea, tall trees drapped in moss, lumberjacks. Pierre's father had created a new, magnificent glass for the background...a dull gray seedy, where all the seeds looked like raindrops. In the end, it didn't get made. There were cost overruns, time considerations, etc., etc.. But the design, oh... Senhor maintains it was one of the best he had ever done, but he lost his copy in a tragic driftwood accident (don't ask). My task was to get into the subterranean vaults of the Seattle planning offices and see if I could unearth a copy of those designs. After several days of searching in mossy old rooms, I found them, however between the mildew and the mice, there is little left. A magnicent whale tail here, a snow capped mountain peak there, and a six inch square of the gray seedy which Pierre is even now framing in cedar to hang in the workroom window. While Dorothy was playing in the 2o feet of snow on Mt Rainier and walking on the Pacific Ocean beaches, I was sneezing at the dust and molds in the vaults of Seattle. We both had a great trip. Returning you to real life... Emeraldine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 17:11:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sealing stepping stones Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun1.83839.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Gang, Just finished a stepping stone using the new improved ( since the last time I tried it some time ago) Diamondcrete. Set up great, came out of the mold great, cleaned up okay, but I need to know how long I have to wait to apply the sealer, and set it outside. This stone by the way is going in a location where it won't be stepped on at all, so curing time is not a real issue I dont' think, the stone is good and hard now. Any advise will be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Rick === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 18:33:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stepping stones Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun1.161510.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have time to give me brief info on stepping stones? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 18:55:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re:moretti rod pictures Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:57:45 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990601165745.00920df0@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk in answer to my own question, http://www.crloo.com contains pictures of lots of different manufacturers' glass rod. i don't know how accurate the colors are, but at least i have a good idea of some of them. regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 20:50:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netphase.net!deskins From: "Lou Deskins" To: bungi glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bio Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:53:47 -0400 Message-ID: <199906020253.WAA09196@www.netphase.net> Precedence: bulk ---------- >From: "Monica" >I stumbled upon this group while surfing the web in search of >patterns. (In the area we live the closest stained glass store is many miles >away so finding patterns is hard.) Hi Monica We just updated our webpage, which has a whole BUNCH of patterns on it, that we gathered from the web, and others. Check it out, and feel free to download. The site is: http://www.netphase.net/~deskins/stainedglass/index.html We're having about 145 hits per day since we joined a stained glass webring, and put a counter on. Lou http://www.netphase.net/~deskins/stainedglass/index.html http://home.talkcity.com/fabioln/lou-n-don/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 21:11:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:02:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Garden stake Patterns Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:04:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun1.1942.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, Now that I know where to purchase, the brazing rod for Garden stakes. Where can I obtain the patterns used in making the garden stakes. Thank you in advance, Tim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 22:44:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: net-port.com!columbine From: Ken & Barbara Larie To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Where are Bungi friends? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:57:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun1.185735.0> References: <<1999May29.225319.0>> Organization: Columbine Stained Glass Company Precedence: bulk We spent the Memorial Day weekend visiting the home of my stained glass teacher 1978, Mr Bill Hock, from Canadian Lakes. Seems after he passed on to the great stained glass shop in the sky, his widow, or family sold their home, and when they did that they removed a couple of his works, for keepsakes, leaving behind some sort of unfinished looking work. Most noticable a side-light by the front door, 8 1/2 x 65 inches, in which he had a vine type window, with the vine extending across the door by way of three small lights. Those three still remain. The family who purchased the home wanted us to replace the side light, with a complimentary work, and also asked me to give them an appraisal of the value of the remaining stained glass work. I urged them to contact the Stained Glass Place in Grand Rapids, or Delphi in Lansing for a really knowledgeable, professional appraisal. But let me tell you about these windows. They are set in the corner of the kitchen of the home, extending into the dining area, and at the other end into the entry area. Rather above,the room, above the cupboards, and the sliding door onto the deck. They are all trapazoids, a series of 3 windows on the left side of the corner of the room, with the outside window, (farthest out from the peak) going from about 8" on the outside to about 1 1/2 ft, the next window is about 20" and the other end of it is about 42", then 44" to about 56". On the right side there are 4 trapazoids, with the smallest at the end going from about 1" to 6". Each of the windows is approximately 4' in length. The theme is nature, and the outside (smallest) windows are birds, flowers, small mammels, like a mother skunk carrying a baby in her mouth crawling over a log, with the occasional butterfly, flower, etc. The sky area is all clear glass, so you actually, have a variety of sky, because of whatever is going on outside, the clouds in the sky match up from one window to the next, as do the grasses, or water, or mountain. There is a moose in one of the largest windows, a deer, a fox I think, ducks flying up from the marsh, and you would have to sit and study this panoramic work, for hours to see it all. It is well reinforced, and very well done. I must say I was very impressed, as personally, I thought of him as a very self-centered, person. There was only one way, and it was his way, and his ego was humongous. Am sure I remember pictures of his vine sidelight, but he certainly had not done the panoramic windows, before I took his class. He made quite a name for himself, either with his neighbors, and the area he was in with his windows, a church, a bar, and a number of nice homes. or with his class, where he managed to alienate nearly every person who took his class. These aren't tiffany type windows, and certainly not Frank Lloyd Wright type, but they are quite spectacular, and as they sit in a home overlooking a lake, near a castle, they are quite unique, and interesting. I understand the concept of using the clear glass as the sky, but I would have preferred something different. But there is a much better appreciation of him as an artist, then I had from 1978 until this weekend. Very interesting. Barb Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/29/99 3:47:23 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > > >..spending my day with my soldering iron! ;o) Yep, glorious > >weekend...tomorrow I get to spend it with the vacuum cleaner..life > >is pretty exciting now a days! ;o) > > Enjoying a glorious sunny warm low-humidity day with every window in the > house open and doing as little as possible. Trying desperately to keep my > self-employed and far-too-conscientious other half from working (very hard to > do since his mom needs so much help these days, we can't get away for more > than 3-4 hours at a time). > > Abbie's "down the shore"........ lucky duck! > > Christie is exhibiting at the Pennsylvania Guild of Craftsmen Spring Craft > Show at Tyler State Park. Anybody who's gonna be in the northeastern 'burbs > of Philly and looking for something to do, stop in and say hi tomorrow.... > it's open 10-5. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 1 23:02:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: looking for a pattern Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:22:08 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.8228.0> Precedence: bulk hello all! i'm looking for a couple of patterns- a simple banjo/ top hat and cane/ and a lady in a hoop dress (i think is what thwy are called) they just really need to be outloned for it will go into a stepping stone. does anyone know where i may find any of these? I would greatly appreciate any help- or how about a hat like they use to were with the hoop dresses? looking for items to go with that era to use in stones or suncatchers.. thanks you in advance for any help with these- ricky glass expressions hope everyone is having a great day making glass-a wonderful feelong doing what you love! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 07:28:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:29:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Staying Cool Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:27:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199906021332.NAA14001@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hhhmmmm, ....suppose you could always try cutting glass at midnight in your garden in "the buff"...... (by torch and/or moonlight)..... Someone, whose name escapes me, did just that last summer and stayed wonderfully cool throughout.... bar a few solder blisters on the belly-button..... ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > 5/31/99 9:33 PM mschatee@juno.com mschatee@juno.com > > >Well I found a great way to stay cool today in the 94 degree heat, I'm > >sorry but in Upstate NY it's not supposed to be in the 90's in May-YUK! > >I went in my basement and worked on glass. It was the only cool place in > >the entire house to be. I know all winter long I complained that it was > >too cold in the basement to work on glass, I'm remembering that quite > >clearly right now, grinding glass when it was 55 degrees. Last summer I > >took the entire summer off from glass, not this summer I am too addicted > >and too damn hot! > Suzanne Albright replied: > I am so jealous. Here in the 94 degree heat in Pennsylvania, I've been > slaving away in my *upstairs* studio, which I moved out of the basement a > few years ago. It's wonderful 9 months out of 12. It's tough being > addicted! > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 07:55:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Be? / Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:27:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199906021332.NAA13998@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk I am so sorry, Alan (et al), Life Across the Pond is beginning to hot up (and not JUST the weather!). I have just picked myself up from a whirl-wind of a birthday celebration, that seemed to have lasted almost all of last week, and which included being woken up at crack of dawn with a smoked salmon and champagne breakfast and eventually ended up the following morning in a Greek restaurant, complete with floor-show and disco. >From the latter, the most memorable moment was when I was (nicely!) propositioned by a 6ft+ drop-dead georgeous 20-year old young man, much to the amusement of my companions. It certainly did wonders for my ego!! Eat your heart out Pierre!! Other than that, it's full steam ahead putting the finishing touches to "The E-Tour". THE TICKET ARRIVED IN MY LETTER-BOX on my birthday! That was quite a coincidence. So right folks!! I'm on my way!! I'm on my way!! Where will I meet you??? Allentown?? Philadelphia?? Maryland?? Kansas City?? Seattle??? Florida??? (Still to be decided...?) In most of these places you can join me in workshops to see and try yourself how we use lead in England and Europe. A lot of the questions about lead, posted on Bungi, I have saved and hope to address then. It will be a real roll-up-your-sleeves time, during which I hope to meet "old" and new friends. IGGA have a link to the E-Tour on their website (thanks to Albert) and Pamela Burns-Tappan has created the E-Tour WEB-site, which lists dates and places. For the "newbies" I would like to explain that all this would not have been possible without Charles Warner of Warner-Crivellaro inviting me over to USA in the first place and paying for my transatlantic ticket, enabling me to be present at Glass Visions 99 in Allentown, PA. In addition to which, I must also mention the lovely intervention and financial sponsorship of our very own Dani (and Michael Greer), which was the launchpad for the rest of the E-Tour. So here is at least ONE Bungi-friend heading your way..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Alan wrote: > Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Friends Be? > > I've been averaging 1 bungi message a day for the past 4 days! > > I'm in WITHDRAW, real bad. (Never tried heroine -- but I assert this is > WORSE!) > > HEllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppp > meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 08:05:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:04:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Rick , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sealing stepping stones Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:03:14 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Sealing stepping stones" on Jun 1, 15:38, Rick writes:] Hi Rick > > great, cleaned up okay, but I need to know how long I > have to wait to apply the sealer, and set it outside. > This stone by the way is going in a location where it > won't be stepped on at all, so curing time is not a > real issue I dont' think, the stone is good and hard > now. Any advise will be appreciated. > I let mine sit lifted up abit with doweling (or pencils) for 30 days. They you can seal them. After that dries well then you can put the outside. The initial 30 day drying time is critical. The stone is still green and can break easily. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 08:31:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Tim Byrnes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Garden stake Patterns Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:20:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.62035.0> References: <<1999Jun1.1942.0>> Precedence: bulk Tim Byrnes wrote: > > Hi Folks, > Now that I know where to purchase, the brazing rod for Garden stakes. > Where can I obtain the patterns used in making the garden stakes. > > Thank you in advance, > Tim > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass to be original and to make sure you don't get in any trouble, i'd make them myself. basically there just small suncatchers on a stick. i'd make some to look like different kinds of veggies. with a little (sturdy), white sign attached beloweach vegetable. so the owner can write down what kind of pea they want, tomato, etc. with a veggie or flower theme, you can probably get more sales, because they'll want to mark out each plant they have. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 11:37:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Questions re:pattern and hanging Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:02:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.6248.0> Precedence: bulk Recently I saw some patterns for some little corner pieces... Not a full panel, but just a small ditty that you would hang in a corner of a large entryway. Can't remember where I saw them, but of course, now I need them. Anyone else know what I'm talking about? (The ones I saw specifically were parrots...) Also, how would one go about hanging a corner ditty in an entryway? Would you go to the trouble to put wood framing around the two flat sides and then nail or screw that directly to the wall/ceiling? Or is there another way that I'm just not thinking about? Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 13:18:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kaleidoscopes Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:21:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.6213.0> Precedence: bulk You may remember I was craving kaleidoscope info a few weeks ago. I ordered a couple of simple kits from Debbie Taylor--one where you make colored glass wheels and one that uses an oil wand. I made them this past weekend and they are a huge hit! I had forgotten how neat those things are--I think it's been 35 years since I last looked through one! (Showing my age now.) But if you haven't done one of these, or at least played with one lately, give it a try. I highly recommend it. They're a huge hit with the adults in my office--so I can imagine they'd be great gifts for kids too. Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 14:48:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: onramp.net!aslyn From: "Ace" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: help! Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:38:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.103835.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_046B_01BEAD0D.F9D15BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm looking for information regarding pre-1600's stain glass painting = techniques. Specifically, I'm looking for information about layer on = layer coloring that is somehow fired. Could anyone help? Ace aslyn@onramp.net ------=_NextPart_000_046B_01BEAD0D.F9D15BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_046B_01BEAD0D.F9D15BE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 15:17:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Stepping stones (long) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:22:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.122252.0> Precedence: bulk OK. Here's a few pointers on garden stepping stones. There are 2 basic types of stepping stones: - those made by applying stained glass to the outside of already-made items, such as bricks or garden pots or birdbaths. I'll call this type "applied". - those made by pouring your own mold. I'll call this type "poured". Both types are popular. I make and sell (retail & wholesale) both types. Different techniques for the two. "Applied" work involves the following: - purchase the base - water-seal the base using a product appropriate for the base's material. For example, get a concrete or masonry water-sealant for birdbaths. - draw the pattern onto the base - glue the glass onto the base. I recommend & use GE Silicon II Clear, which can be purchased in most home improvement centers. - let cure for an appropriate time (ususally 20 minutes for the GE Silicon) - mix up bathroom tile grout to the consistency of toothpaste. I use the powdered colored bathroom non-sanded tile grout found in boxes which can be purchased at the same home improvement centers mentioned above. - apply grout with a brush, pushing grout down between the glass pieces. DO NOT use your hands to apply the grout, as you will cut yourself (voice of experience). - wipe off excess grout following instructions on the grout box. I use paper towels. - I'm a stickler for clean lines, so I take a small dull knife and wire brush to clean up any excess grout from the glass even after the grout has dried. - remove any sharp glass points by filing. Make sure to wear safety glasses during this. The "Poured" method can be done using a formal pattern, where each piece is cut and shaped just like a copper foil pattern. Or they can be done using a more relaxed look involving using scrap pieces of glass placed so that they form a mosaic of the pattern. I use both methods. Each has its own look and its fans. The "Poured" method involves the following: - purchase mold. There are many sizes & shapes available through your local stained glass retailer. - spray the inside of the mold with Pam or Bakers Joy. This keeps the concrete from sticking to the mold. It is called a release agent. - cut out some clear contact paper so that it's just smaller than the inside dimension of your mold. Tip: place the mold on top of the unpeeled contact paper and simply trace around the mold. Then cut out the contact paper slightly inside the trace line. - if you're using the more relaxed mosaic style, put your pattern inside the mold now. If you are doing the more formal method, make a copy of the pattern and put it inside the mold, placing the other copy of the pattern onto the glass for cutting & (optional) grinding. - peel off the contact paper's liner, and place sticky-side up (i.e. toward you) inside the mold. Since the contact paper is clear, you will be able to see through it and see the pattern. - place your glass pieces onto the contact paper, making sure there is full contact between them. This keeps concrete from seeping under the glass during the pour. If the glass is textured, place the textured side towards you so that the smooth side gets the contact with the contact paper. - put on your dust mask & gloves. - mix up your concrete. I use Rapid-Set, a fast-drying very smooth concrete mixture only available through concrete contractors. Lots of folk use Diamondcrete. Whichever, follow the concrete instructions about water/concrete ratios, safety precautions, and clean-up procedures. - gently pour concrete into the mold. Some folk set reinforcements such as chicken wire into the mold about half-way into the pour. I don't since Rapid-Set does not require it. - let the concrete cure, following the instructions on the manufacturer's time table. - unmold by gently pulling back the sides away from the concrete, then flipping the mold over and pressing down in the center. Sometimes I place the mold on bricks and even have to stand on top of the mold to get it to release, so don't be suprized at how much force is required to get it to release. - clean up any excess concrete seepage by using a dull knife and/or wire brush. Don't worry about scratching the glass - it won't happen. - let the stepping stone fully cure according to directions. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 17:54:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:51:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Questions re:pattern and hanging Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:50:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990602155037.0095bd60@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun2.6248.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:02 PM 6/2/99 -0600, Shari Higbee wrote: >Recently I saw some patterns for some little corner pieces... Not a full >panel, but just a small ditty that you would hang in a corner of a large >entryway. Can't remember where I saw them, but of course, now I need them. >Anyone else know what I'm talking about? (The ones I saw specifically were >parrots...) > >Also, how would one go about hanging a corner ditty in an entryway? Would >you go to the trouble to put wood framing around the two flat sides and then >nail or screw that directly to the wall/ceiling? Or is there another way >that I'm just not thinking about? > >Shari in SLC > The winter 1998 issue of Common Ground Glass has a "cornerette" pattern and article by LJ Maas. She describes a clever attachment detail...soldering a small nail to the corner at a 45 degree angle so it helps to anchor the piece to the door or window frame. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 18:26:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Questions re:pattern and hanging Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:17:05 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun2.23175.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Shari, What you are talking about are cornerettes. Warner-Crivellaro used to carry an oak frame for the two flat sides but the last time this came up they had discontinued them. I have made them and just soldered small split rings on the two ends and then using long small screws screwed them into wood trim. For going into plaster you would need something more substantial. They really are cute. I have a set over the sink on either side of the cornice that goes across the window and they match my chandelier. They're super easy to do - basically just a big suncatcher. I think there are a few patterns in pattern books - I have two simple ones that came with the cornerettes, which I could scan and send to you if you like. No guarantees though since I've not done that yet, just use the scanner for ebay stuff so far. Have a good one! Brenda Recently I saw some patterns for some little corner pieces... Not a full panel, but just a small ditty that you would hang in a corner of a large entryway. Can't remember where I saw them, but of course, now I need them. Anyone else know what I'm talking about? (The ones I saw specifically were parrots...) Also, how would one go about hanging a corner ditty in an entryway? Would you go to the trouble to put wood framing around the two flat sides and then nail or screw that directly to the wall/ceiling? Or is there another way that I'm just not thinking about? Shari in SLC >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 18:28:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Shari Higbee" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Kaleidoscopes Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.142929.0> References: <<1999Jun2.6213.0>> Precedence: bulk I gave a kaleidoscope to 5 different friend/families for Hanukkah & Xmas the year before last. Needless to say they were a hit with young and old. It was funny hearing the praise "how clever I was" and "you shouldn't have, these cost soooo much". You can't go wrong when you give one as a gift. They are pretty easy to make, once you do the first one! BTW, I gave one with the oil wand to my Mom for M-Day and she wanted to know how I made the wand Of course, I told her the truth, but I didn't expect the question!! We in glass take so much for granted. KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ----- Original Message ----- From: Shari Higbee To: Bungi Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 2:21 PM Subject: Kaleidoscopes | You may remember I was craving kaleidoscope info a few weeks ago. I ordered | a couple of simple kits from Debbie Taylor--one where you make colored glass | wheels and one that uses an oil wand. I made them this past weekend and they | are a huge hit! I had forgotten how neat those things are--I think it's been | 35 years since I last looked through one! (Showing my age now.) But if you | haven't done one of these, or at least played with one lately, give it a | try. I highly recommend it. They're a huge hit with the adults in my | office--so I can imagine they'd be great gifts for kids too. | | Shari in SLC | | | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 21:27:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: Michele Spruill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Kaleidoscopes Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:16:13 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jun3.31613.0> Precedence: bulk I like to make and look at kaleidoscopes too. They're fun for the child "within" the adult. I was at an art festival this past weekend and saw the most interesting kaleidoscope I've ever seen. It had an enormous prism barrel, probably 2" x 4" wide, and a motorized carousel with baubles of every sort positioned at the end of the prism. You could look inside and the show just paraded by- BEAUTIFUL! Michele >From: "Shari Higbee" >To: "Bungi" >Subject: Kaleidoscopes >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:21:03 -0600 > >You may remember I was craving kaleidoscope info a few weeks ago. I ordered >a couple of simple kits from Debbie Taylor--one where you make colored >glass >wheels and one that uses an oil wand. I made them this past weekend and >they >are a huge hit! I had forgotten how neat those things are--I think it's >been >35 years since I last looked through one! (Showing my age now.) But if you >haven't done one of these, or at least played with one lately, give it a >try. I highly recommend it. They're a huge hit with the adults in my >office--so I can imagine they'd be great gifts for kids too. > >Shari in SLC > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 2 23:30:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vincent LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG - Dating Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:43:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.204336.0> Precedence: bulk How to Impress a Woman: Compliment her Cuddle her Kiss her Love her Protect her Confide in her Wine and dine her Care for her Spend money on her Stand by her Go to the ends of the earth for her..... How to Impress a Man: Show up naked Bring food ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 3 04:59:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 04:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Vincent LaGreca , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG - Dating Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 06:43:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun2.234310.0> References: <<1999Jun2.204336.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I guess Vince is feeling better. Carol T Vincent LaGreca wrote: > How to Impress a Woman: > > Compliment her > Cuddle her > Kiss her > Love her > Protect her > Confide in her > Wine and dine her > Care for her > Spend money on her > Stand by her > Go to the ends of the earth for her..... > > How to Impress a Man: > > Show up naked > Bring food > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 3 08:01:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG - Dating Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 06:40:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990603064055.00959930@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun2.204336.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:43 AM 6/3/99 -0400, Vincent LaGreca wrote: >How to Impress a Woman: > >Compliment her >Cuddle her >Kiss her >Love her >Protect her >Confide in her >Wine and dine her >Care for her >Spend money on her >Stand by her >Go to the ends of the earth for her..... > > >How to Impress a Man: > >Show up naked >Bring food > Hey...welcome back, Vic! What, no "ciao"? Maybe we've been misunderstanding all this time...we didn't know you were asking for food! ;-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 3 09:31:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:20:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: NG - Dating Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:03:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun3.7335.0> Precedence: bulk Forget the food. Bring Beer!!! Vic M. PS Welcome back other Vic. -----Original Message----- From: Vincent LaGreca [mailto:vlg@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:44 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: NG - Dating How to Impress a Woman: Compliment her Cuddle her Kiss her Love her Protect her Confide in her Wine and dine her Care for her Spend money on her Stand by her Go to the ends of the earth for her..... How to Impress a Man: Show up naked Bring food ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 3 10:32:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG - Dating Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:49:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun3.64933.0> References: <<1999Jun3.7335.0>> Precedence: bulk Tell you what...if he could handle the impressing a woman list... I'd show up naked with a bow on...and bring whatever he wanted me to! T Suz "Modiano, Victor" wrote: > > Forget the food. Bring Beer!!! > > Vic M. > > PS Welcome back other Vic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent LaGreca [mailto:vlg@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:44 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: NG - Dating > > How to Impress a Woman: > > Compliment her > Cuddle her > Kiss her > Love her > Protect her > Confide in her > Wine and dine her > Care for her > Spend money on her > Stand by her > Go to the ends of the earth for her..... > > How to Impress a Man: > > Show up naked > Bring food > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 3 16:31:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: help! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:30:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199906032239.WAA01515@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi "Ace" et al, For pre-1600 Century s.g. painting techniques, I recommend "On Divers Arts" by Theophilus ( a monk), originally written in Latin Translated by John G. Hawthorne and Cyril Stanley Smith. The ISBN Number is 0-486-23784-2 and published in English by Dover Publications Inc. New York in 1979. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > I'm looking for information regarding pre-1600's stain glass painting = > techniques. Specifically, I'm looking for information about layer on = > layer coloring that is somehow fired. > > Could anyone help? > > Ace ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 3 23:34:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Toby" , Subject: Re: help! Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:09:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun3.15918.0> References: <<199906032239.WAA01515@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk http://www.archaeometallurgy.com/library/theoph.html Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Toby To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 04:30 PM Subject: Re: help! > > Hi "Ace" et al, > > For pre-1600 Century s.g. painting techniques, I recommend > "On Divers Arts" by Theophilus ( a monk), originally written in > Latin Translated by John G. Hawthorne and Cyril Stanley Smith. > The ISBN Number is 0-486-23784-2 and published in English by Dover > Publications Inc. New York in 1979. > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > > I'm looking for information regarding pre-1600's stain glass painting = > > techniques. Specifically, I'm looking for information about layer on = > > layer coloring that is somehow fired. > > > > Could anyone help? > > > > Ace > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 00:01:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Toby" , Subject: Re: help! Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:14:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun3.151451.0> References: <<199906032239.WAA01515@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/books_on_metalworking.html pretty good reading on the two teachers and student glass related also Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Toby To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 04:30 PM Subject: Re: help! > > Hi "Ace" et al, > > For pre-1600 Century s.g. painting techniques, I recommend > "On Divers Arts" by Theophilus ( a monk), originally written in > Latin Translated by John G. Hawthorne and Cyril Stanley Smith. > The ISBN Number is 0-486-23784-2 and published in English by Dover > Publications Inc. New York in 1979. > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > > I'm looking for information regarding pre-1600's stain glass painting = > > techniques. Specifically, I'm looking for information about layer on = > > layer coloring that is somehow fired. > > > > Could anyone help? > > > > Ace > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 03:31:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Fwd: can we supply you with tiffany lamps, tiffany products and tiffany glass? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun3.192452.0> Precedence: bulk I received this e-mail I assume because they came upon my web page. Thought I would share it and wonder if anyone else received the same message. Rick --- Dominic Chan wrote: > From: "Dominic Chan" > To: > Subject: can we supply you with tiffany lamps, > tiffany products and tiffany glass? > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:05:47 +0800 > > > Manufacturer : Dominic's Art Gallery Co. > Address : 1/F., 187 Fa Yuen Street, > Mongkok, Kowloon, Hong Kong ( China ). > Fax. : ( 852 ) 2789-0643 & ( 852 ) > 2398-9089 > URL : http://www.dominicart.com > E-mail : info@dominicart.com > . > Discounts : Can have big discounts for large > quantity-orders of any products. > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 04:32:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 03:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fwd: can we supply you with tiffany lamps, tiffany products Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199906041046.GAA13790@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I received this e-mail I assume because they came upon > my web page. Thought I would share it and wonder if > anyone else received the same message. > > URL : http://www.dominicart.com I didn't receive it, but was interested to note that the Internet and the ease of use that the web provides is going to provide stiff competition for American (and other) studios. Boy! A 22" diameter hanging waterlily lamp for $109, for example, or a 20" diameter dragonfly on what looks like a bronze base for a mere $209. Of course, they're not looking for single-item sales, but bulk sales, since the prices are f.o.b. Hong Kong, so anyone ordering would have to deal with freight, customs, insurance and all of that other stuff, too ... but *still! Those are extremely competitive prices and the work doesn't look half bad. What to do? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 06:32:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pdq.net!creativeco From: Creativeco To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stepping stones Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:32:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun3.103212.0> References: <<1999Jun2.122252.0>> Precedence: bulk I have been doing some stepping stones lately. I use vaseline to grease the mold. I have never had to apply any pressure at all to get the stone out. It just slides right out. Plus, the vaseline kinda sucks the contact paper right onto it, so you don't have a problem with the design moving. Then you can get much more aggressive with the concrete to make sure it gets down between all the glass. Margo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 08:30:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net (Albert Lewis), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-856919066-5451 Subject: Re: Fwd: can we supply you with tiffany lamps, tiffany products Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun3.234944.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-856919066-5451 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit The fine print also says: $5,000 minimum order or 300 pieces. Sue --WebTV-Mail-856919066-5451 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language together. --WebTV-Mail-856919066-5451 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 04:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id EAA16628; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 04:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 03:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fwd: can we supply you with tiffany lamps, tiffany products Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199906041046.GAA13790@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I received this e-mail I assume because they came upon > my web page. Thought I would share it and wonder if > anyone else received the same message. > > URL : http://www.dominicart.com I didn't receive it, but was interested to note that the Internet and the ease of use that the web provides is going to provide stiff competition for American (and other) studios. Boy! A 22" diameter hanging waterlily lamp for $109, for example, or a 20" diameter dragonfly on what looks like a bronze base for a mere $209. Of course, they're not looking for single-item sales, but bulk sales, since the prices are f.o.b. Hong Kong, so anyone ordering would have to deal with freight, customs, insurance and all of that other stuff, too ... but *still! Those are extremely competitive prices and the work doesn't look half bad. What to do? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-856919066-5451-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 08:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Receiving mail? Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:27:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.32728.0> Precedence: bulk Yesterday I only rec'd about 3 Bungi messages all day. Figured my server was just slow. Today, I notice most of the messages are replys to original messages that I never rec'd. Anyone else missing messages lately? Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 09:32:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: SG retail stores Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:39:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.13912.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi group, Remember way back when we were stating out feelings about Stained Glass store merchants? Well I was in Cline's in Portland, Or., yesterday. They have a sign up on the wall behind the counter. It says, "If you do not like the quality of our service, then lower your standards". Now this is not to say they need a sign like that, just thought it was cute and would share with the group. Enjoy all this beautiful weather and long days of sunshine. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 09:48:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Receiving mail? Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:07:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.2739.0> References: <<1999Jun4.32728.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I don't think so, but it sure is strange to read the reply, before you get the question. Shirley B Shari Higbee wrote: > > Yesterday I only rec'd about 3 Bungi messages all day. Figured my server was > just slow. Today, I notice most of the messages are replys to original > messages that I never rec'd. Anyone else missing messages lately? > > Shari > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 12:00:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: SG retail stores Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:53:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199906041753.NAA20496@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > says, "If you do not like the quality of our service, then lower > your standards". Personally, I like the signs that say something like "If there's anything about our service or attitude that you find lacking, let us know, because we'd like to rise to your level of expectation." To some business owners, though, if the customers would just Go Away, they'd have what they'd prefer in the way of a Good Business. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 12:21:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: Shirley Balloch , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: SG retail stores Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199906041653.MAA09173@water.vramp.net> Precedence: bulk Personally I don't think the sign is "cute". Unprofessional people give the stained glass business a bad name. And people who put up signs about standards and quality of service either have a really weird sense of humor or are very unprofessional. Our clients wouldn't really appreciate something like that...............and I wouldn't either. my best, pj At 08:39 AM 6/4/99 -0700, Shirley Balloch wrote: >Hi group, >Remember way back when we were stating out feelings about Stained Glass >store merchants? >Well I was in Cline's in Portland, Or., yesterday. They have a sign up >on the wall behind the counter. It says, "If you do not like the >quality of our service, then lower your standards". >Now this is not to say they need a sign like that, just thought it was >cute and would share with the group. >Enjoy all this beautiful weather and long days of sunshine. >Shirley B >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 13:04:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:51:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: SG retail stores Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:49:56 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun4.184956.0> Precedence: bulk I'm afraid I don't think it's cute at all. :( Dianne >^..^< << Well I was in Cline's in Portland, Or., yesterday. They have a sign up on the wall behind the counter. It says, "If you do not like the quality of our service, then lower your standards". Now this is not to say they need a sign like that, just thought it was cute and would share with the group. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 13:28:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: price question Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:22:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.52251.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi, When I was at Cline's yesterday, I saw a new pattern book(well new to me) of sundials. I have fallen in love with the styles(gnomen). I am wondering what price range they would fall into. The one I want to make and the way I would make it, would have 237 pieces. If you made it the way the pattern is, it would be well over 300 pieces. This can either be made in a 16" hex or a 14" round(concrete of course). I guess my question is: When you have that many pieces, do you still price by the piece or do you kinda of discount because of the quanity? I am thinking this is a $250 stone and retail around $500. Am I way out of the ballpark here? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 13:51:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:18:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ONe more question Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:24:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.5246.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi, Again when I was up in Portland. They have a glass call oceana. I forgot to ask them who makes it. Does anyone know? Thanks again. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 14:03:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:22:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: SG retail stores Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:27:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.52732.0> References: <<199906041753.NAA20496@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I guess what makes the sign cute at Cline's is that they have a very helpful cooperative staff. Shirley B Albert Lewis wrote: > > > says, "If you do not like the quality of our service, then lower > > your standards". > > Personally, I like the signs that say something like "If there's > anything about our service or attitude that you find lacking, let us > know, because we'd like to rise to your level of expectation." > > To some business owners, though, if the customers would just Go Away, > they'd have what they'd prefer in the way of a Good Business. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 15:00:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Shirley Balloch Subject: Re: ONe more question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:05:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199906042104.RAA23812@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Again when I was up in Portland. They have a glass call oceana. I > forgot to ask them who makes it. Does anyone know? Um ... yes. Don't forget the online Sources Guide at http://www.igga.org/guide.htm ... published annually on paper by the International Guild of Glass Artists ($10 plus $3.20 postage) and at the moment updated several times a week and available to anyone at the above URL: Oceana Glass Company 359 Coral Street Santa Cruz CA 95060 Phone: ( 408 ) 423 - 4988 Fax: (408) 423-9593 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 15:17:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: SG retail stores Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:06:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199906042105.RAA23832@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I guess what makes the sign cute at Cline's is that they have a very > helpful cooperative staff. Shirley B In which case, of course, they put the lie to the sentiments expressed in the sign and everyone understands that it's meant to be a joke. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 15:28:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi Group" Subject: Fw: SG retail stores Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:14:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.131417.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Shirley Balloch Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 12:49 PM Subject: Re: SG retail stores >Shirley, >If I saw a sign like that in a business I was going to spend money in, I >would spend my money elsewhere. The only thing one guy has to differentiate >himself from the next is customer service. I don't plan on lowering my >standards for anyone. >Linda Jo > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shirley Balloch >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 12:39 PM >Subject: SG retail stores > > >>Hi group, >>Remember way back when we were stating out feelings about Stained Glass >>store merchants? >>Well I was in Cline's in Portland, Or., yesterday. They have a sign up >>on the wall behind the counter. It says, "If you do not like the >>quality of our service, then lower your standards". >>Now this is not to say they need a sign like that, just thought it was >>cute and would share with the group. >>Enjoy all this beautiful weather and long days of sunshine. >>Shirley B >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 16:01:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: signs Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:30:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.83035.0> Precedence: bulk Sign in my shop....... Everyone makes me happy, some by entering and others by leaving! weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 16:11:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Creativeco , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stepping stones Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun4.81026.0> Precedence: bulk Margo, I ran out of vasoline, so looking around my shop I spotted a can of good old WD-40 and it worked great. Just spray it on the edges of the mold, relaease great and didn't stain the concrete. Rick --- Creativeco wrote: > I have been doing some stepping stones lately. I use > vaseline to grease > the mold. I have never had to apply any pressure at > all to get the stone > out. It just slides right out. Plus, the vaseline > kinda sucks the > contact paper right onto it, so you don't have a > problem with the design > moving. Then you can get much more aggressive with > the concrete to make > sure it gets down between all the glass. > > Margo > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 16:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Albert Lewis , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fwd: can we supply you with tiffany lamps, tiffany products Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun4.81517.0> Precedence: bulk Albert, I looked into the web site and saw they have a $5000 (US) minimum order. I had my check book in my hand...I suppose we will see some of that stuff at a flea market some day.... --- Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I received this e-mail I assume because they came > upon > > my web page. Thought I would share it and wonder > if > > anyone else received the same message. > > > URL : http://www.dominicart.com > > I didn't receive it, but was interested to note that > the Internet and > the ease of use that the web provides is going to > provide stiff > competition for American (and other) studios. > > Boy! A 22" diameter hanging waterlily lamp for $109, > for example, or > a 20" diameter dragonfly on what looks like a bronze > base for a mere > $209. > > Of course, they're not looking for single-item > sales, but bulk sales, > since the prices are f.o.b. Hong Kong, so anyone > ordering would have > to deal with freight, customs, insurance and all of > that other stuff, > too ... but *still! Those are extremely competitive > prices and the > work doesn't look half bad. What to do? > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 16:36:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:34:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Albert Lewis , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: SG retail stores Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun4.8327.0> Precedence: bulk Well Albert, if we are taking votes, I think the sign is cool andshows the staff has a sense of humor, strange or other wise. I have a sign on my desk that says "If you came in here to complain, you have wasted 98% of your time. I suggest you use the other 2% and get the hell out! Have a Nice Day" Of all the folks who read it always get a chucle, and the still complain anyway. ;-) Rick --- Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I guess what makes the sign cute at Cline's is > that they have a very > > helpful cooperative staff. Shirley B > > In which case, of course, they put the lie to the > sentiments > expressed in the sign and everyone understands that > it's meant to be > a joke. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 4 17:01:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: ONe more question Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:01:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990604160134.00977cc0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun4.5246.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:24 PM 6/4/99 -0700, Shirley Balloch wrote: >Hi, >Again when I was up in Portland. They have a glass call oceana. I >forgot to ask them who makes it. >Does anyone know? >Thanks again. >Shirley B Timely question...Oceana is in Santa Cruz, California. That's about 15 miles from where I live. I'm going on their factory tour with another bungi-ite on June 15. You're welcome to join us...it's only about a 10 hour drive for you, right? Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 00:42:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Shari Higbee" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Receiving mail? Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:39:15 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.83915.0> References: <<1999Jun4.32728.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Shari I often get answers before questions -- but then I live in the sticks!(Grin) I often get answers without EVER getting the questions questions and if it weren't for people NOT editing I would never know what was going on! I always supposed that people were replying to off list mail, but when I think about it, that is probably not the explanation. I've mentioned it before but nobody has picked it up (perhaps it didn't get through?) My service provider has always been pretty good and I have never had any cause for complaint so I'll probably just endure!(another grin!) Best regards BtB > Yesterday I only rec'd about 3 Bungi messages all day. Figured my server was > just slow. Today, I notice most of the messages are replys to original > messages that I never rec'd. Anyone else missing messages lately? > > Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 02:12:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:05:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Brian Shepherd" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Receiving mail? Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:02:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun4.18251.0> Precedence: bulk There has been little bungi traffic lately. Some threads that I thought would run have gone nowhere. When in doubt it is possible to download the latest archives. They are up to date and will show even the most recent message posted to the list. .... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 08:20:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:17:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: stage coach reference material Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 06:56:49 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, I'm looking for some reference material on a stage coach (to be blasted on stone, not too detailed)....all I can find are carriages. Thanks in advance! Cindy... ...yikes...haven't finished moving yet...but this this could lead to *more* on-going work...yipee!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 14:23:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Brian Shepherd" , Subject: Re: Receiving mail? Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:08:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.12829.0> Precedence: bulk Brian, I think we are all in the same boat. Sometimes it just takes so long for a post I sent to even hit. Like I told Shari, I just go with the flow and hope I get some of the goodies people post. It is funny sometimes I will be reading and wonder if I was in the "Twilight Zone" when the original post came. I sort of know that maybe it hasn't come yet. Regards, Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Brian Shepherd To: Shari Higbee ; Bungi Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 3:52 AM Subject: Re: Receiving mail? >Hello Shari > >I often get answers before questions -- but then I live in the sticks!(Grin) > >I often get answers without EVER getting the questions questions and if it >weren't for people NOT editing I would never know what was going on! > >I always supposed that people were replying to off list mail, but when I >think about it, that is probably not the explanation. I've mentioned it >before but nobody has picked it up (perhaps it didn't get through?) > >My service provider has always been pretty good and I have never had any >cause for complaint so I'll probably just endure!(another grin!) > >Best regards > >BtB > >> Yesterday I only rec'd about 3 Bungi messages all day. Figured my server >was >> just slow. Today, I notice most of the messages are replys to original >> messages that I never rec'd. Anyone else missing messages lately? >> >> Shari > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 14:40:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bob Duchesneau" , Subject: Re: Receiving mail Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.12103.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, I think was was feeling insecure, like oh no I am missing something. Or feeling left out. :-( Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; Brian Shepherd Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 5:26 AM Subject: Re: Receiving mail? >There has been little bungi traffic lately. Some threads that I thought >would run have gone nowhere. When in doubt it is possible to download the >latest archives. They are up to date and will show even the most recent >message posted to the list. .... Bob > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 14:56:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Cindy Pesonen" , Subject: Re: stage coach reference material Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.121247.0> Precedence: bulk Cindy, Wells Fargo is the original stage coach line. Try to hunt up their logo, there must be a lot of things with that rendition on them for you to look at to get an idea for your stage coach. Good Luck, Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Pesonen To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 11:32 AM Subject: stage coach reference material > > >Hi Folks, >I'm looking for some reference material on a stage coach (to be blasted on >stone, not too detailed)....all I can find are carriages. >Thanks in advance! >Cindy... >...yikes...haven't finished moving yet...but this this could lead to *more* >on-going work...yipee!!! > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 16:22:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Updated web site (again) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:03:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.14337.0> Precedence: bulk Hi bungians. The great Albert has kindly updated my IGGA web site to show a new set of windows. It's a set of 3 Victorian windows, and replaces the chili pepper lampshade I had. You can check it out on the 3rd page (I think) at http://www.igga.org/wood/ Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 16:37:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:18:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: SG retail stores Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:12:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.81243.0> Precedence: bulk I think I have a rather twisted sense of humour, but in this circumstance the sign is not cute or funny at all. This sort of remark is funny when I am talking to other retailers about the headaches of being in retail. But when it is posted next to a cash register for any and all customers to read it is NOT funny, it is simply stupid. I wonder how many customers never came back because of this sign. At the least it implies the store encourages bad service. At the most it is quite insulting to the customer - it implies the customer's expectations are not worth anything. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 17:36:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Ng. Seatle Dreaming... Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.152428.0> Precedence: bulk And so it goes ,in the life of a true artist...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 17:48:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Ng...men! Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.153515.0> Precedence: bulk It sure dont' take much.....does it! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 18:20:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Stepping stones... Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:50:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.155043.0> Precedence: bulk WD40 is too smelly for me and my sinus infected head....I used olive oil flavored Pam from the kitchen , Worked great....Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 5 18:58:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Non glass, but looking for.........A Canadian Magazine Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:03:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.1132.0> Precedence: bulk Equinox magazine (if you haven't heard of it it's the Canadian version of National Geographic). The July 1997 issue has a wonderful article called Houdini with Eight Arms...guess what the topic is. It's well written and full of interesting info and colour pics. Any one has this issue and would like to part with it, PLEASE PLEASE>>>>>> let me know, thanks H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 00:54:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel in Overbay To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG - Dating Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 17:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun5.102557.0> References: <<1999Jun2.234310.0>> Precedence: bulk Carol Tombro wrote: > I guess Vince is feeling better. > > Carol T > > Vincent LaGreca wrote: > > > How to Impress a Woman: > > > > Compliment her > > Cuddle her > > Kiss her > > Love her > > Protect her > > Confide in her > > Wine and dine her > > Care for her > > Spend money on her > > Stand by her > > Go to the ends of the earth for her..... > > > > How to Impress a Man: > > > > Show up naked > > Bring food > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ======================================== When I want to impress a man ! I compliment him cuddle him kiss him love him confide in him wine and dine him care for him spend money on him stand by him go to the ends of the earth for him.. When I want to impress a man ! I show up naked and bring food...........:) no matter how you look at it I got it made... Daniel In Oregon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 07:55:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 07:09:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Shipping glass for exhibitions Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:04:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun6.14420.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! I am a new bungi member but haven't been able to sit down at the computer lately to participate (work has been more than hectic and I have no internet access there). I am so excited as I just received a notification that my work has been accepted into a glass show!!!! Yay!!! I'm seeking some advice, how do you pack glass panels for shipping across several states? Has anyone used one of those packing services? Gwyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 08:13:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 07:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: San Diego Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:55:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun6.25521.0> Precedence: bulk I just got back from a 5 day weekend in San Diego. I went to a gift shop in Coronado, that featured nothing but glass art. According to the shop owner, he features the work of 32 glass artisans, representing about 10 different countries. He had it all displayed beautifully, and was able to talk about the glass processes necessary to create each piece knowledgeably. I thought his glass was very reasonably priced given the quality. When I commented to him that it was priced well, he replied..."Anyone can find high priced art, but the joy is to find art at a reasonable price." Don't get me wrong, it was not priced cheaply, but from what I have seen in my limited experience, his ware was impressive and his prices were fair. I know his rent district in Coronado can't be cheap either. I got a few creative ideas from the work, and I got a new project for those fourth graders of mine. He had lizards and toads that were fused and slumped, and I am sure my kids would sure enjoy creating....now of course, I am not furnishing the dichroic scrap, but what we create is fine. All I need to do is make the slumping molds this summer. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 09:24:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 07:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: techspot.com!graf From: "Jerry" To: netsurf_93i@cheech.type.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Go For It Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 10:02:16 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Start your own 1-900 business or Adult Web Site Business! People are making $$$ week, after week in the 1-900 business. We'll teach you all of our incredible secrets that will take your new exciting business to a whole new level! 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ACT NOW!!! =46or a free color brochure: reply to: mailto:bbett@mailme.net?subject=3Dbrochure with the following information please: NAME:____________________________ ADDRESS:____________________________ CITY/STATE/ZIP:____________________________ PHONE:____________________________ (optional) remove at: mailto:kool29@freeid.net?subject=3Dremove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 09:39:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:21:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: Gloyn@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Shipping glass for exhibitions Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:21:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199906061521.IAA20460@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi all! I am a new bungi member but haven't been able to sit down at the >computer lately to participate (work has been more than hectic and I have no >internet access there). I am so excited as I just received a notification >that my work has been accepted into a glass show!!!! Yay!!! I'm seeking >some advice, how do you pack glass panels for shipping across several states? > Has anyone used one of those packing services? Gwyn First, congratulations on being accepted into a show! I'll outline what I've figured out, and I'm interested in hearing how others pack, especially folk like pj who have huge panels to move. Incidentally I've shipped several panels this way using different couriers and freight lines and never had a problem, except with trying to get insurance. I'd like to hear about others experience about how to get insurance... Get yourself a used glass crate and a used packing pallet. Get yourself old foamie(s) at a garage sale. Place the crate on a packing pallet and cut braces from 2 x 4's. Use these braces to hold the crate upright on the pallet. Nail into place. This way there is no way the shipper can flip the crate onto its side for easier handling and your panel will remain vertical. Can't get an old glass crate?..build yourself a box out of thin plywood or old panelling and some 1 x 8's. Place panel(s) into crate TIGHTLY and evenly held in place with old foamies. Don't forget to cut foamie and set one or 2 layers over the entire bottom before you put anything else in. The key is to tightly hold the panel in place with foamie so nothing can move around during transit. Top with another layer of foamie horizontally across the top before screwing the lid into place. You'll probably be charged a cubed rate for shipping rather than the actual weight because of the volume of area you'll take up in the semi. Don't forget to insure for value, and put signs on the pallet. I have some great 8 1/2 x 11" red signs that my wholesaler uses for shipping sheets to customers. They have a large red arrow, THIS SIDE UP and GLASS on them. Incidentally I would never trust a glass panel to Mailboxes, etc. or like packing service. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 11:25:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Artglass From: Artglass@webtv.net (Glass Tat-2) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Packing your glass Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun6.3918.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Gwyn Just make a sandwich using the glass as the meat and foam / bubble wrap as the lettuce,lay a piece of 1/4" plywood for the bread. Now measure the distance between the plywood and cut 4) strip's of wood for the sides. Screw it together ,and mark whats in your sandwich and (eat it ) ha ha, send it on it's way. This takes a little time but if you make some standard sizes,you will use them over and over. If it does not get there all is for not. Make sure there is a lot of foam / bubble wrap around edges before you add the sides on. NEVER trust a shipping co. with your glass,they have know idea how much time you put into it. Hope this will help,we have sent many panels around the US this way. Larry of Glass Tattoo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 11:37:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: San Diego - now slumping molds Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 13:52:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990606135251.006a204c@scci.net> References: <<1999Jun6.25521.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, I was wondering how you made your slumping molds. I took one fusing class and it left me wanting to do more, but I haven't purchased a kiln yet. Thanks, Melissa At 08:55 AM 6/6/99 -0600, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: >I just got back from a 5 day weekend in San Diego. I went to a gift shop in >Coronado, that featured nothing but glass art. According to the shop owner, >he features the work of 32 glass artisans, representing about 10 different >countries. He had it all displayed beautifully, and was able to talk about >the glass processes necessary to create each piece knowledgeably. I thought >his glass was very reasonably priced given the quality. When I commented to >him that it was priced well, he replied..."Anyone can find high priced art, >but the joy is to find art at a reasonable price." Don't get me wrong, it >was not priced cheaply, but from what I have seen in my limited experience, >his ware was impressive and his prices were fair. I know his rent district >in Coronado can't be cheap either. I got a few creative ideas from the >work, and I got a new project for those fourth graders of mine. He had >lizards and toads that were fused and slumped, and I am sure my kids would >sure enjoy creating....now of course, I am not furnishing the dichroic >scrap, but what we create is fine. All I need to do is make the slumping >molds this summer. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 12:27:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: Shipping glass for exhibitions Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun6.10368.0> Precedence: bulk Gwyn, Congratulations on being accepted for glass show. Good luck. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Shipping glass for exhibitions >Hi all! I am a new bungi member but haven't been able to sit down at the >computer lately to participate (work has been more than hectic and I have no >internet access there). I am so excited as I just received a notification >that my work has been accepted into a glass show!!!! Yay!!! I'm seeking >some advice, how do you pack glass panels for shipping across several states? > Has anyone used one of those packing services? Gwyn >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 6 17:29:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Leaded Glass Sub-contractors needed A.S.A.P. Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:51:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun6.95154.0> Precedence: bulk I know nothing of these people. ........ Bob -----Original Message----- From: frlamothe@earthlink.net Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 11:24 AM Subject: Leaded Glass Sub-contractors needed A.S.A.P. >Large glass company needs sub-contractors for big project. Must be able >to pick-up and deliver to Portland, Oregon. All glass will be precut >and all materials provided. If interested please reply to >frlamothe@earthlink.net. Leave a name and number where you can be >contacted immediately. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 07:00:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: San Diego Slumping molds-Melissa Hall Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:51:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.15143.0> Precedence: bulk Melissa, I use everything that will work. If it is a one shot mold, I use plaster of paris. My girlfriend's husband owns a hardware store, so get the builders plaster of paris....it is smoother and doesn't set up as fast...don't ask me what the chemical or process difference, but if you use Hobby Lobby's plaster, it seems rough and grainy after using this stuff. If it is a more permanent mold, I use plain ol' ceramic clay, I save my old shelf paper and shred it into the clay for more stability (with a respirator on). I also have used refractory plaster....but clay is cheap and I am only a hobbiest, so expense is sometimes a consideration. But you can use anything from stainless steel bowls and spoons. Ceramic bisque, calcium carbonate, firing bricks, refractory boards...anything that can stand the heat and you can get the glass to melt over without sticking. For the toads, I will probably make a couple of clay molds, so that the toads will have that slightly humped body, and hang the feet over the edge so that they will touch the shelf, level and flat. For the lizard, I will cut a piece of refractory board. The lizards will be flatter, and low to the ground. Anyway, I will experiment until I get something that will works consistently. There are books on making molds. I learned some from Gil Reynolds and Bruce Lundstrom's books on fusing and slumping, but now I have seen books on just mold making. A friend of mine lent me a book on patte de verre, and it had even more examples of mold making. If you are going to start fusing and slumping, my advise is to have a "Thomas Edison" attitude. He had to try 100 different materials before he came up with the filament for the light bulb. When asked if he got frustrated, he simply replied, "No because I learned 100 things!" In the class I took in Las Vegas this spring, the instructor said she made 20 attempts before she successfully made a calla lilly that looked realistic. So any mold I make that does not come out just right, I just tell myself I am learning. I have a feeling I will make a few lizards and toads before I get one that I like. (I wonder if this is like the princess who kissed a bunch of toads, before she found her prince?) As a teacher, I think this process of trying, failing, and learning is good for me, it constantly reminds me of what my students go through trying to learn everyday. And that some of the things that I really learned, came from failure not success. (I am beginning to sound too much like a motivational speaker...yuk! I will put down my pom-poms and go water the flowers.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 09:04:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:03:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.2326.0> Precedence: bulk Last summer someone made an attempt to start strings by asking questions like, "What is your favorite part of stained glass?", or "How do you cure glass burn-out?" "Where do you get you inspiration from?" "How to solder in the heat?" Then we had the incredibily long string on the National Endowment of the Arts. I thought they were a wonderful way of keeping conversation going. Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 10:04:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: cpjaram@7cities.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: San Diego Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:25:15 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun7.162515.0> Precedence: bulk Good Morning, I'm excited to learn more about the shop you mention in San Diego, as I, working on a restoration project in the area, and go there frequently. (Again this Thurs.) Also, my Navy kid is stationed @ North Island, which is Coronado. Would you be so kind as to provide the name and address? One of the things I wrestle with constantly is proper and beneficial display methods. Seeing it done well, would be a great help. Many thanks, Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 10:22:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re;time to start a string Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:18:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.21833.0> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? > well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass chips, etc.:) Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 11:04:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: rwl50@yahoo.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: SG retail stores NG signs that offend Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:57:22 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun7.165722.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/4/99 7:37:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwl50@yahoo.com writes: > Well Albert, if we are taking votes, I think the sign > is cool andshows the staff has a sense of humor, Umm, yeah, count my vote in for appreciating strange senses of humor. The sign on my back door doesn't say "thank you for not smoking" it says "if we see you smoking, we will assume you are on fire.....and take precautionary measures". I have never been offended by an off beat sign in a place of business, I actually tend to appreciate it, shows the humanness of the establishment. Take care all, IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 11:25:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun7.92151.0> References: <<1999Jun7.2326.0>> Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? > I'll give it a try, here goes: What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect? Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the way you want it to. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 11:41:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:13:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: Gloyn@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Shipping glass for exhibitions Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:11:28 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun7.171128.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, While I have not personally used the packing services you speak of, I can address the insurance issue. I pursued a business opportunity offered by a company called "Craters and Freighters", which made a big deal out of the fact that they, unlike the others, INCLUDED up to $100,000 of insurance, on every shipment they packed. Decided to invest the $'s in the glass business ( I must be nuts) instead, but you might want to see if there is a franchisee of thiers in your area. fwiw, Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 12:03:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:33:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:05:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.5529.0> Precedence: bulk How about "what dumb things have you done / mistakes have you made that you learned from and the rest of us can learn great lessons from?" I feel like I'm learning EVERYTHING the hard way, and would love to learn from someone else's mistakes once in a while! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo To: Bungi Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 10:16 AM Subject: Its time to start a string?! >Last summer someone made an attempt to start strings by asking questions >like, "What is your favorite part of stained glass?", or "How do you cure >glass burn-out?" "Where do you get you inspiration from?" "How to solder >in the heat?" Then we had the incredibily long string on the National >Endowment of the Arts. I thought they were a wonderful way of keeping >conversation going. > >Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 12:05:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:57:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel in Oregon To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:33:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1999Jun7.2326.0>> Organization: Doverbay Graphics Precedence: bulk Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > Last summer someone made an attempt to start strings by asking questions > like, "What is your favorite part of stained glass?", or "How do you cure > glass burn-out?" "Where do you get you inspiration from?" "How to solder > in the heat?" Then we had the incredibily long string on the National > Endowment of the Arts. I thought they were a wonderful way of keeping > conversation going. > > Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass =================================== I concur.... I have so many "chatty kathy " questions but am afraid to waste bandwith. If any one would be willing to take these "neophyte' question off line I would be appreciative...or should I just do it in the group...(I think that they are valid questions and could perhaps be beneficial to to others...also.) NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNever mind I have decided to bring it up to the group. 1. I have been "doing stained glass for one year" 2. I was delighted with the wonderful things I made for my family and friends. 3..I have recently had to opportunity to "SEE" the things I sent them.....sigh. 4. They are "AWFUL".... 5. I have improved so much....and I was so anxious to share my new found love with my family. 6. I can't sleep at night knowing how terrible they are... 7. I have appropriated them "ALL" back...I'm talking about 6 suncathers...and two panels.. I'm in the process of "REDOING" them all....the glass is fine....the cuts are well.. but the soldering is attrocious....hidious....(sp)....... Given that you have a decently cut object....(suncather...et al)......where do I start// An Idea I have is to vertically posiition the work...and with the iron melt the solderliines down via gravity....then refoil and resolder....any TIPS on getting the bloody foil off..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEELLLLLP!!! I want to share my newly found expertise....not this shabby *#>#((#PO#> Help in refurbishland... Daniel in Oregon... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 12:19:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:38:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.93842.0> Precedence: bulk Liz Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage door closed? :-) Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 1:32 PM Subject: re;time to start a string >> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? >> > > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass >chips, etc.:) > >Liz >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 12:23:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Threads Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:18:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.41832.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Favorite places to look at glass Favorite ways to display glass The best way you have ever seen glass displayed. What draws you into a store What draws you into a booth What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why Who has the best wholesale glass prices What is your favorite glass site on the web How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state What was your biggest flop(working in glass) What was your biggest success(working in glass) And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor. I'll go first. When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 12:42:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Threads Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:19:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.41916.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Favorite places to look at glass Favorite ways to display glass The best way you have ever seen glass displayed. What draws you into a store What draws you into a booth What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why Who has the best wholesale glass prices What is your favorite glass site on the web How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state What was your biggest flop(working in glass) What was your biggest success(working in glass) And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor. I'll go first. When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. Cause I think I will ask my kids to give me a very good but small dictionary. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 13:02:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:35:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: access.k12.wv.us!kunger From: kunger@access.k12.wv.us (Kathy P Unger) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:11:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.91155.0> References: <<1999Jun7.92151.0>> Precedence: bulk Picture frames and boxes. Quick and easy . Got crazy with a strip cutter! Jim Gonzalez wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > > > > Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? > > > > I'll give it a try, here goes: > > What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to > make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect? > Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the > way you want it to. > > Jim > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 13:07:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Favorite quick/easy piece Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:13:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.71323.0> Precedence: bulk Good one, Jim! I make little boxes (bad for males but good for females of all ages). I use precut 2" or 3" square mirror and make them only about 1" high and usually use a little doodad off a necklace or earrings to adorn the top. My other option is a 3"x3"x1 1/2" box all out of bevels--even easier with no glass to cut, but more $$. Shari -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! >On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > >> >> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? >> > >I'll give it a try, here goes: > >What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to >make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect? >Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the >way you want it to. > >Jim > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 13:36:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: price question Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:21:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.72150.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley--don't mean to be negative, but I wouldn't make a stone with 200+ pieces in it. The people around here don't want to spend a lot on cement pieces you put out in your yard. And what makes it worse is all the crafty tv shows that show them how to "make their own" stepping stones. I'm afraid the complexity of the glass cuts, etc. would be far over the head of the typical consumer and they would be astonished at the price. For 200-300 pieces I'd rather make a panel that hangs indoors where it has less chance of walking away and (maybe) more chance of someone appreciating the intricacies involved in the work. Just MHO... Shari I saw a new pattern book(well new to >me) of sundials. I have fallen in love with the styles(gnomen). >I am wondering what price range they would fall into. The one I want to >make and the way I would make it, would have 237 pieces. If you made it >the way the pattern is, it would be well over 300 pieces. This can >either be made in a 16" hex or a 14" round(concrete of course). >I guess my question is: When you have that many pieces, do you still >price by the piece or do you kinda of discount because of the quanity? >I am thinking this is a $250 stone and retail around $500. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 14:03:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:54:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.55439.0> References: <<1999Jun7.5529.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk A free standing angel. I make her too heavy and the foil separates from the glass or I end up using a pound of solder. I am still working on a design, that I like and will be doable. Shirley B > How about "what dumb things have you done / mistakes have you made that you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 14:22:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:09:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Threads Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:01:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.6152.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Artists/MML LTD. Precedence: bulk Captured from Shirleys previous e-mail. The best way you have ever seen glass displayed. On my shelf when it's paid for :) What draws you into a store A Sale and a good looking sales clerk named Jose What draws you into a booth Eye catching display of products and Jose What is the latest innovation in the use of glass that turned you on My little craftsman rotary tool. Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why My father, who is deceased, was way before his time when it came to art. Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why Spectrum, easy to cut and nicely priced What is your favorite glass site on the web The Stained Glass Artists site of course. I visit the IGGA quite a bit, Albert's always adding stuff. Chihuly's site is awesome. And Peter Sitell's site is really nice too. He has a nude there that is unbelievable. http://www.artglass.nu/ What was your biggest success(working in glass) Made welcome signs last year at Christmas time that sold like hot cakes. I'm still excited when I think of the first time I cut glass and it came out just the way I wanted it too :) Amazing this glass stuff. And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor. Humm, I don't have to wonder which car I'll take to the office. What pair of Nikes I'll wear, major taxes or spending too much time away from my kids because I'm working so many hours to stay rich. A lady put me in perspective yesterday at the grocery store. I said I was so glad that I could be at the grocery store by myself, try on clothes and buy an outfit in perfect peace and quiet. Bought some of those Lucy pants I call them. The petal pushers, very cute oh an a wonder bra too! Anyway, she says, oh I wish I could spend time with my kids. I work two jobs just to survive so my kids are with my ex-husband most of the time. Well, after that I was glad to go home to my husband and kids. There is always someone less fortunate than me in this world, I've had it easy. I've never been to or fought in a war, witnessed horrific hate crimes against humanity, lost a child etc. I'm very lucky to be "poor" or rich in my eyes :) Pam, who still and always will admire Shirleys work and would dearly pay her a million dollars for her talent if I had it :) -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ MM Ltd. http:/www.pacifier.com/~ptap/design.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 14:47:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:16:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.61624.0> References: <<1999Jun7.93842.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Liz > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage door closed? :-) Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just fine. BTW, what was that address? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 15:03:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:55:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.55513.0> References: <<375C22E1.55AA@netbridge.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > I make a triangular stepping stone. With a simply hummingbird in the > center(7 pieces). Sell it for $20 and rarely come home with it. > > > What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to > > make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect? -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 15:21:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:51:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.85113.0> Precedence: bulk ....any TIPS on getting the bloody foil >off..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I un-solder, I use so much heat (apparently) that the foil comes off easily, but leaves the silver gunk behind on the glass. Then I take this stuff called "Goof-Off" (it's a solvent for gum, adhesives, etc.) and rub some on the glass until the gunk comes off. Then wash thoroughly and start over as if I'd never started... What I'd like to know is: Is there a way to un-solder without ruining the foil? I've tried less heat, but then the solder doesn't seem to come off. Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 15:44:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Dumb things we've done Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:26:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.132614.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari Higbee" >How about "what dumb things have you done / mistakes have you made that you learned from and the rest of us can learn great lessons from?" I feel lik= e I'm learning EVERYTHING the hard way, and would love to learn from someon= e else's mistakes once in a while! ;-)< Do not apply grout to a stained glass mosaic project with your bare hands. After awhile the grout turns pink and you realize you've sliced your palms and are bleeding into the grout. But of course, you can't feel it since the grout kind of numbs your hands. And grout in a wound is terribly hard to wash out. Use brushes to apply grout. Boy, did I feel stupid when I did that. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 15:59:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lamp bases Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:27:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.112714.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I'm looking for sources and/or links for lamp bases. I go into a dept store or see an ad in a magazine and I see a lamp with a base I've never seen before, no one knows where the bases come from (or should I say ...from where the bases come'):-). HELP! Thx, C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 16:36:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:23:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Favorite quick/easy piece Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.142333.0> References: <<1999Jun7.71323.0>> Precedence: bulk Shari Higbee wrote: > > Good one, Jim! > > I make little boxes (bad for males but good for females of all ages). I use > precut 2" or 3" square mirror and make them only about 1" high and usually > use a little doodad off a necklace or earrings to adorn the top. My other > option is a 3"x3"x1 1/2" box all out of bevels--even easier with no glass to > cut, but more $$. > > Shari > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gonzalez > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! > > >On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > > >> > >> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? > >> > > > >I'll give it a try, here goes: > > > >What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to > >make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect? > >Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the > >way you want it to. > > > >Jim > > > > > >---- guys can use boxes too. just not the pink ones. for a girl it's called a jewelry box. for a guy it's a junk box, or a place to store fishing hooks. or bandaids, or business/baseball cards. or of course it can sit on a desk. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 16:50:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Shari Higbee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.144218.0> References: <<1999Jun7.85113.0>> Precedence: bulk Shari Higbee wrote: > > ....any TIPS on getting the bloody foil > >off..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > When I un-solder, I use so much heat (apparently) that the foil comes off > easily, but leaves the silver gunk behind on the glass. Then I take this > stuff called "Goof-Off" (it's a solvent for gum, adhesives, etc.) and rub > some on the glass until the gunk comes off. Then wash thoroughly and start > over as if I'd never started... > > What I'd like to know is: Is there a way to un-solder without ruining the > foil? I've tried less heat, but then the solder doesn't seem to come off. > > Shari in SLC > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass nope, not really. the foil will simply unstick. though the foil may have been rubbed down enough. or the foil is too wide for that glass. 1/4" foil will do that a bit. i use 3/16" and there really is'nt all that much glue left behind. that's just another reason, not to re-do the work you've done. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 17:04:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: rrk , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun7.83917.0> Precedence: bulk I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about lower standards? Rick --- rrk wrote: > Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > > Liz > > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage > door closed? :-) > > Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just > fine. > > BTW, what was that address? > > > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 17:05:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: Daniel in Oregon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: redoing beginner projects was: Its time to start a string?! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:49:22 -0700 Message-ID: <199906072249.PAA19231@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >I'm in the process of "REDOING" them all....the glass is fine....the cuts are >well.. >but the soldering is attrocious....hidious....(sp)....... > >Given that you have a decently cut object....(suncather...et al)......where do >I start// > >An Idea I have is to vertically posiition the work...and with the iron melt >the solderliines down >via gravity....then refoil and resolder....any TIPS on getting the bloody foil >off..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >HEELLLLLP!!! I want to share my newly found expertise....not this shabby >*#>#((#PO#> > Daniel...are you really sure you want to remake them all? The people who received them probably cherish them because they were made by YOU! They could probably care less whether they're technically perfect or not. Chances are you're the only one who notices the flaws. If you INSIST on remaking them, be sure and keep a couple of the old ones...to encourage you when the glass just won't cut right, the solder just won't flow. It can be a wonderful reminder of how far you've actually come at those trying moments. C. PS I have a long time friend who has the first lamp I ever made years ago in a class...which she now cherishes because it's "one of my early originals"...she'd have my garters for guts if I tried to redo it. I know...it's hard every time I visit her and sit in her breakfast nook...I see all the flaws which drive me crazy, but she loves it. To her it's worth MORE because it's my first! Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 17:17:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:49:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.124956.0> References: <<1999Jun7.61624.0>> Precedence: bulk Naked's not enough to cool in my shop right now...about 95 degree's and 90% humidity! I run a sweat shop...and 4 fans. might cut a hole in the wall and put in a window unit.... hmmmmmmm...do I want to buy glass or an ac? (I cant put the ac in the window, they are too big, it was a sunroom first) The dumbest thing I have done lately....was dropping a big glob of molten solder on top of my ring finger...it just sort of rolled around my wedding band in slow motion and burned the fire outta me! Well, it hurt...but it didnt occur to me that it hurt me that bad...i just kept on working. Yesterday, it really hurt..I realised it was raw....and swollen and I couldnt get my rings off. OUCH! I finally got my rings off, and replaced them with antibiotic ointment and a bandaide. Guess I need to go but more neon or endangered species band aides...if it's gonna look funky...might as well go all the way. ;o) T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 17:36:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: re;time to start a string Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:53:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990607155335.0096e3f0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun11.21833.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:18 AM 6/11/99 -0700, Liz Arakelian wrote: >> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion? >> > > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass >chips, etc.:) > >Liz I can recommend foiling in the nude as a safer alternative. Start with a lap-sized cutting board and a comfy lounge chair. Add a nice shade tree by a pool on a balmy day. Enjoy! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 18:02:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lamp bases Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:26:00 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun7.23260.0> Precedence: bulk IMHO Warner-Crivellaro has the best selection and usually the best prices for lamp bases. www.warner-criv.com (I'm not an employee!) Brenda << Hi All, I'm looking for sources and/or links for lamp bases. I go into a dept store or see an ad in a magazine and I see a lamp with a base I've never seen before, no one knows where the bases come from (or should I say ...from where the bases come'):-). HELP! Thx, C. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 18:16:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Neat glass site Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:50:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.115055.0> Precedence: bulk Just found a neat glass site--was looking into kaleidoscopes. I got so involved in looking through her almost 40 different glass boxes that I never even got to the kaleidoscopes! http://hometown.aol.com/mkennedy1/index.htm Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 18:30:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Threads Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 19:00:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.14041.0> References: <<1999Jun7.41916.0>> Precedence: bulk > And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor. > I'll go first. When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to > use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. The question of where to eat tonight gets answered faster. T Suz (ready to have *one* night of someone else cooking it and serving it *and* cleaning it up) -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 18:37:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Rick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 19:20:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.142026.0> References: <<1999Jun7.83917.0>> Precedence: bulk How can you judge their standards if you havent seen em naked yet? ;o) T Suz Rick wrote: > > I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and > offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who > didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about > lower standards? > Rick > > --- rrk wrote: > > Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > > > > Liz > > > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage > > door closed? :-) > > > > Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just > > fine. > > > > BTW, what was that address? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > === > http://home.fuse.net/crafts > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 18:59:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Threads Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:37:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.163751.0> References: <<1999Jun7.41916.0>> Precedence: bulk No, no, too many threads at once..... I noticed yesterday that a stained glass store is about to open in a new place...it's in a SHOPPING CENTER (strip mall) in Manchester CT. Called Plum Gully. I haven't seen their work, but I'll have to check them out next time on that half of the state. Now, most stores I know are on the edges of town, some are always moving, I suppose looking for lower rent., Dorothy Shirley Balloch wrote: > Favorite places to look at glass > Favorite ways to display glass > The best way you have ever seen glass displayed. > What draws you into a store > What draws you into a booth > What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on > Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why > What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked > Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why > Who has the best wholesale glass prices > What is your favorite glass site on the web > How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state > What was your biggest flop(working in glass) > What was your biggest success(working in glass) > And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor. > I'll go first. When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to > use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. Cause I think I will > ask my kids to give me a very good but small dictionary. > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 19:30:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: solder naked?!?! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:47:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.144735.0> Precedence: bulk >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass >chips, etc.:) >Liz Yikes!!! Count me out of THAT sport!!! And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!! There's usually several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my workbench and onto my pants. I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables, (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!! If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked. Well, at least until the neighbors complained. *evil grin*! Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 19:52:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:59:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.16596.0> References: <<1999Jun7.124956.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > Naked's not enough to cool in my shop right now...about 95 degree's > and 90% humidity! I run a sweat shop...and 4 fans. might cut a hole in > the wall and put in a window unit.... hmmmmmmm...do I want to buy glass > or an ac? (I cant put the ac in the window, they are too big, it was a > sunroom first) > The dumbest thing I have done lately....was dropping a big glob of > molten solder on top of my ring finger...it just sort of rolled around > my wedding band in slow motion and burned the fire outta me! Well, it > hurt...but it didnt occur to me that it hurt me that bad...i just kept > on working. Yesterday, it really hurt..I realised it was raw....and > swollen and I couldnt get my rings off. OUCH! I finally got my rings > off, and replaced them with antibiotic ointment and a bandaide. Guess I > need to go but more neon or endangered species band aides...if it's > gonna look funky...might as well go all the way. ;o) > > T Suz > > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > i guess the dumbest thing i did was with hot glue. i had a window fan, that i tried to clean, when i went to put it back on i found ou that i broke it enough that it was'nt ever going to stay on. so i figured that hot glue was very sticky and solid enough - it could hold the blade on. so i filled the hole (in the blade), with glue, really packed it in there. and then left the nozzle in there for a bit to get the glue to be real hot. i did'nt want the blade getting stuck in the middle. as i pushed the blade back on, i forgot about a little hole that was on the front of the blade. about an 1/8" wide or so. i quickly found out though, when about a drop the size of a nickel or so dropped between my fingers. that hurt... it hurt quite a bit, especially when i released i just glued my fingers together with napalm. i could'nt get my fingers apart, and everytime i tried i burned the other hand. somehow i got them apart, i had 2nd degree burns on 2 fingers and a few 1st degree's on the other hand. and it was very difficult to remove the glue, because - A. it looked like thr burn and B. it was hot glue, and very difficult to wash off. and i guess the other stupid thing i tend to do is to try grabbing at a piece of glass that's falling to the floor. i tend to use my whole body, and of course the glass is sharp, and it tends to stick sometimes - if you know what i mean. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 20:06:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: string Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:58:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.165817.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone with chapped fingers, no pun intended. I was a dairy farmer for almost 40 years and never had a problem. Had exposure to many chemicals,weather, and acids, no gloves or lotion. I think my problem is either the flux or remover. I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. Best remedy I've found is chapstick. I get the kind in the little round jar. Also, could anyone clue me in as to the difference in fluxes? Which is best for what. Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 20:08:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.165853.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Rick Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! >Very Same Person, but apples and oranges my dear. >Linda Jo > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rick >To: rrk ; glass@bungi.com >Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 8:11 PM >Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! > > >>I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and >>offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who >>didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about >>lower standards? >>Rick >> >>--- rrk wrote: >>> Linda Jo Letscher wrote: >>> >>> > Liz >>> > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage >>> door closed? :-) >>> >>> Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just >>> fine. >>> >>> BTW, what was that address? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> For subscription changes, please mail to: >>> glass-request@bungi.com >>> To send to the list, please mail to: >>> glass@bungi.com >>> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >> >> >>=== >>http://home.fuse.net/crafts >> >>_________________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 20:22:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:34:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: San Diego Slumping molds-Melissa Hall Date: Mon, 07 Jun 99 07:24:58 Message-ID: <199906080131.TAA10202@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Claudette, I too am experiencing mold making, and using odd things... The plaster statement interested me.. I have the hobby lobby plaster, but haven't tried it yet.. what is refractory plaster? Also, a book I have says to look for ' high temp plaster' .. any idea what that is? Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 21:38:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Rita Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: string Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 22:36:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.173612.0> References: <<1999Jun7.165817.0>> Precedence: bulk > I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I > think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. Would you mind recommending one to the rest of us... I *try* to wear gloves..but I have really short fingers, and end up burning the tips when I am soldering edges. Then I take the glove off, and end up with flux all over me, and its really hard to get off as I imagine you know. Ok...now just remembered another dumb thing I do...I dont throw the glove away...(I wash the flux off) then later I grab a glove not realising it is one with a little burn hole in the tip...and stick it in a dish of patina...there are always nicks etc....on my fingers, so all of a sudden that finger will start burning..and I realise I am getting patina in a cut. My blood is probably toxic. Come to think of it, maybe that is why that finger is so red and sore/swollen looking. T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 21:51:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:18:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 2 stupid questions Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:18:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.151823.0> Precedence: bulk Two more stupid questions.... 1. What do you seal garden stakes and other outdoor things with? The usual carnuba wax stuff? Or is there something better? 2. How does one use sal ammoniac? Thanks in advance! Dawn Barker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 22:11:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: net-port.com!columbine From: Ken & Barbara Larie To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: solder naked?!?! Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.1983.0> References: <<1999Jun7.144735.0>> Organization: Columbine Stained Glass Company Precedence: bulk Even with my denim apron, that I wear to work in, I wouldn't take a chance on soldering in the buff. That stuff really burns. "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" wrote: > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I > >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass > >chips, etc.:) > >Liz > > Yikes!!! > Count me out of THAT sport!!! > And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!! There's usually > several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my > workbench and onto my pants. I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables, > (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!! > > If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked. Well, at > least until the neighbors complained. > > *evil grin*! > Blake > :-) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 23:36:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Threads Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 23:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.182632.0> References: <<1999Jun7.163751.0>> Precedence: bulk Arent there a series of SG pattern books called Plum Gully? Wonder if they are the same people? T Suz Family Account wrote: > > No, no, too many threads at once..... > > I noticed yesterday that a stained glass store is about to open in a new > place...it's in a SHOPPING CENTER (strip mall) in Manchester CT. Called > Plum Gully. I haven't seen their work, but I'll have to check them out next > time on that half of the state. Now, most stores I know are on the edges of > town, some are always moving, I suppose looking for lower rent., > > Dorothy > > Shirley Balloch wrote: > > > Favorite places to look at glass > > Favorite ways to display glass > > The best way you have ever seen glass displayed. > > What draws you into a store > > What draws you into a booth > > What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on > > Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why > > What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked > > Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why > > Who has the best wholesale glass prices > > What is your favorite glass site on the web > > How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state > > What was your biggest flop(working in glass) > > What was your biggest success(working in glass) > > And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor. > > I'll go first. When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to > > use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. Cause I think I will > > ask my kids to give me a very good but small dictionary. > > Shirley B > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 7 23:55:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Threads Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 22:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.15720.0> References: <<1999Jun7.163751.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk There are several Plum Gully pattern books. These the same guys? Shirley B Family Account wrote: > > No, no, too many threads at once..... > > I noticed yesterday that a stained glass store is about to open in a new > place...it's in a SHOPPING CENTER (strip mall) in Manchester CT. Called > Plum Gully. I haven't seen their work, but I'll have to check them out next ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 00:04:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Shari Higbee" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Desoldering Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.151648.0> Precedence: bulk >>What I'd like to know is: Is there a way to un-solder without ruining the foil? I've tried less heat, but then the solder doesn't seem to come off. Shari in SLC<< It helps if you use plenty of flux in desoldering. With practice it is possible to remove the solder and leave the foil intact with only a tinning of solder. I like to elevate the project and use the iron from under the project and let gravity help with the job. .................... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 00:42:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Ken & Barbara Larie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: solder naked?!?! Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:34:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.153434.0> References: <<1999Jun7.1983.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Ken & Barbara Larie wrote: > > Even with my denim apron, that I wear to work in, I wouldn't take a chance on > soldering in the buff. That stuff really burns. > > "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" wrote: > > > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I > > >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass > > >chips, etc.:) > > >Liz > > > > Yikes!!! > > Count me out of THAT sport!!! > > And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!! There's usually > > several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my > > workbench and onto my pants. I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables, > > (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!! > > > > If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked. Well, at > > least until the neighbors complained. > > > > *evil grin*! > > Blake > > :-) > > > > ---- > >I believe Elisabeth is the one who mentioned soldering naked in her garden in the moonlight:>....tee hee Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 01:44:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Shirley Balloch" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Threads Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:53:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.175331.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to commend Shirley B on a great list of threads for this list. If one needs to be prompted for subject matter this thread list is a great place to start. I have printed it out for my own use. >From time to time we hear of contributers to the list bowing out due to the press of other more productive work. I, for one, would like to read more about glass than the supposed size of someones crank. ................. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:39 PM Subject: Threads >Favorite places to look at glass >Favorite ways to display glass >The best way you have ever seen glass displayed. >What draws you into a store >What draws you into a booth >What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on >Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why >What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked >Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why >Who has the best wholesale glass prices >What is your favorite glass site on the web >How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state >What was your biggest flop(working in glass) >What was your biggest success(working in glass) >And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor. >I'll go first. When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to >use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. >Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 03:41:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Bob Duchesneau , Bungi , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Threads Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun7.2015.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, couldn't agree with you more. There were some great topics on there, though thinking I saved it, I deleted it. Maybe it will show up again in someones reply. Rick --- Bob Duchesneau wrote: > I would like to commend Shirley B on a great list of > threads for this list. > If one needs to be prompted for subject matter this > thread list is a great > place to start. I have printed it out for my own > use. > > >From time to time we hear of contributers to the > list bowing out due to the > press of other more productive work. I, for one, > would like to read more > about glass than the supposed size of someones > crank. ................. Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shirley Balloch > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:39 PM > Subject: Threads > > > >Favorite places to look at glass > >Favorite ways to display glass > >The best way you have ever seen glass displayed. > >What draws you into a store > >What draws you into a booth > >What is the latest inovation in the use of glass > that turned you on > >Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist > and why > >What is the most unusual use of art glass you have > ever seen and liked > >Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why > >Who has the best wholesale glass prices > >What is your favorite glass site on the web > >How many glass retailers do you have in your city, > your state > >What was your biggest flop(working in glass) > >What was your biggest success(working in glass) > >And I am sitting here thinking what is go good > about being poor. > >I'll go first. When someone gives you an > inexpensive gift or a gift to > >use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. > >Shirley B > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 04:04:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: massed.net!wmagdycz From: Elaine To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Threads - Plum Gully Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 05:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.13745.0> References: <<1999Jun7.182632.0>> Precedence: bulk Yes, they are the same. Really nice people. They put the pattern folders together themselves - boxes, boxes everywhere. Unfortunately, Ann Madsen wasn't there the day I went down. I would like to have met her. I was shown some of her artistry. What beautiful work! Hopefully, they are moving into a bigger store. The one I was in was quite small. For anyone in that area, it's a nice place to visit and nice people to talk to. Elaine Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > Arent there a series of SG pattern books called Plum Gully? > Wonder if they are the same people? > > T Suz > > Family Account wrote: > > > > No, no, too many threads at once..... > > > > I noticed yesterday that a stained glass store is about to open in a new > > place...it's in a SHOPPING CENTER (strip mall) in Manchester CT. Called > > Plum Gully. I haven't seen their work, but I'll have to check them out next > > time on that half of the state. Now, most stores I know are on the edges of > > town, some are always moving, I suppose looking for lower rent., > > > > Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 05:42:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 04:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!GacicA From: GacicA@cs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Shipping/moving glass Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:44:07 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun8.11447.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Everyone I just purchased a used jump seat over the internet for our volvo wagon. The problem the seller had was how to pack and ship it. He stopped by a bike shop and they were willing to give him a bike box for free. This was a very thick card board box. I guess they pack those $2000 mountain bike in better boxes. It seems the size of bike boxes would be just right for larger panels or sheets of glass. Just a comment Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 06:00:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Desoldering Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:02:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.427.0> Precedence: bulk Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the solder to let it run through and out. However, if the piece is big, or long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the solder and letting it melt down and off. But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a sponge of some sort. Does anyone know what that product is, or if is works? Sounds like the best idea. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 07:09:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 05:35:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun7.223534.0> References: <<19990607223917.18452.rocketmail@web707.mail.yahoo.com>> Precedence: bulk Rick wrote: > I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and > offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who > didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about > lower standards? Rick, As a matter of fact, I hadn't commented on that sign. I will now though. I thought it was funny though dumb in a fundamental sense. You know, one catches more flies with honey than vinegar. Many people don't have a sense of humor. Two basic facts of life. Signs that are "humourous" about their service, or lack thereof, confuse their customers (or potential customers) about their service (good or bad) by making a joke of it ... well, it just seems dumb to me ... and shows a lack of professionalism. Many people will not get it, and many of those people will read this as "vinegar". At best it puts a doubt in the mind of the customer as to how seriously the shopowners take their "service commitments. As I understand it, making money in the stained glass biz is difficult, so why make it even harder by putting up a soi-disant "humorous" sign like that? The proof of the above lies in the mixed reaction to this sign on this list. Humor in shop signs is good, but maybe humor about your lack of service is not real bright. I ran a mass spectrometry lab for a long time as part of my duties. Mass Specs are very expensive and very complex; generally they require one specialist per instrument just to keep the damn things running. Few labs need one of their own, so often a mass spec is shared by many users. Right above the sign-in area (sample request area) I put a sign that read : "When requesting service, remember that you can have any two of the following three qualities : Fast, Good, Cheap." Thing is : though it was put in a "humorous" manner, I was dead serious about it, as a few loudmouths found out the hard way. So, when I see a sign like the one mentioned, I tend to take the sign as having some meaning. Anyway, time to go. Regards ........... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 07:39:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Rita Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: string Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.51413.0> References: <<1999Jun7.165817.0>> Precedence: bulk Rita Tidwell wrote: > > Anyone with chapped fingers, no pun intended. I was a dairy farmer for > almost 40 years and never had a problem. Had exposure to many > chemicals,weather, and acids, no gloves or lotion. I think my problem is > either the flux or remover. I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I > think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. Best remedy I've > found is chapstick. I get the kind in the little round jar. Also, could > anyone clue me in as to the difference in fluxes? Which is best for > what. Rita > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass first of all you should wear gloves the medical kind. liquid flux is best for foil. paste is meant for copper pipe. though i guess it could also be used on lead. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 07:42:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG signs Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:34:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.13437.0> Precedence: bulk I just remembered one that hung on my bosses wall, way back in the early 70's...."The firing will continue until morale picks up!" I guess I like offbeat signs too. As long as you know, they are truly in jest. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 08:09:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Dawn Barker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 2 stupid questions Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:16:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.5165.0> References: <<1999Jun7.151823.0>> Precedence: bulk Dawn Barker wrote: > > Two more stupid questions.... > > 1. What do you seal garden stakes and other outdoor things with? The usual > carnuba wax stuff? Or is there something better? > > 2. How does one use sal ammoniac? > > Thanks in advance! > > Dawn Barker > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass can't answer the first one. the second one is explained on my page in the tips section, - how to tin your iron. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 08:18:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: solder naked?!?! Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:16:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.51651.0> References: <<1999Jun7.1983.0>> Precedence: bulk Ken & Barbara Larie wrote: > > Even with my denim apron, that I wear to work in, I wouldn't take a chance on > soldering in the buff. That stuff really burns. > > "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" wrote: > > > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I > > >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass > > >chips, etc.:) > > >Liz > > > > Yikes!!! > > Count me out of THAT sport!!! > > And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!! There's usually > > several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my > > workbench and onto my pants. I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables, > > (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!! > > > > If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked. Well, at > > least until the neighbors complained. > > > > *evil grin*! > > Blake > > :-) > > > > ---- and imagine explaining it to the doctor.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 08:44:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Dumb things we have done. Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:10:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.51056.0> Precedence: bulk About a year after I started in glass, I went to Israel. My parents, who I traveled with (really big mistake but not glass related) suggested that a couple of stained glass gifts would be a nice gift for my overseas relatives. This was three days before we left. I managed to but together some sun catchers and boxes with some pretty nice iridized glass. The relatives seamed to like them and everything was fine. My second day in Israel came the big mistake. The tour stopped by the Dead Sea. The tour guide suggested we feel the water. Our brave but not too bright stained glass artist sticks a hand covered with those annoying little cuts you get from iridized glass into the water. As the pain set in it dawned on me that the Dead Sea is composed of water and mineral salts. Fortunately my parents were not on the tour and this nice lady named Judy thanked me because she was about to make the same mistake. Vic M. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 08:49:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Rick , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Threads Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 08:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.3112.0> References: <<1999Jun7.2015.0>> Precedence: bulk It should be easy to find, as it will be in yesterdays archives. T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 08:54:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Desoldering Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:33:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.53323.0> References: <<1999Jun8.427.0>> Precedence: bulk Diane W Manchester wrote: > > Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the > solder to let it run through and out. However, if the piece is big, or > long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the > solder and letting it melt down and off. > > But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't > remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a > sponge of some sort. Does anyone know what that product is, or if is > works? Sounds like the best idea. > > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Carthage, NC > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass solder wick does that. i try to let the solder drip out. after a while the wick can get expensive to use. i also have a solder sucker. it works pretty well. eventaully i'll find a solder sucker bulb, the push button type get's stuff every now and then. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 09:13:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: San Diego - Richard Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:34:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.2340.0> Precedence: bulk I am sorry I don't know the name or the address. I can tell you it is on Orange Avenue, past 10th street, but before you get to the ice cream store (same side of the street). Since I was walking at the time and heading for the local bookstore (don't know the name, same side of the street), I was just criusing and not paying too much attention to the name on a sign above my head. It is a small gift shop, and the entire window display has glass in it. If you can't find it, I will write to my brother in Coronado, he owns "Island Carpets" on Orange Ave., same side of the street, and ask him to look the next time he passes. I hope these directions aren't too obtuse?! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 09:18:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: slumping molds--Candy Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:17:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.21753.0> Precedence: bulk Candy, You have to get someone with more knowledge than me to tell you what refractory plaster is...but refractories are a heat resistant ceramic material...so I would guess that the plaster is made from grinding up this material. I ordered this from Hughes Glass over the net...I am sorry I didn't save the address. I put a question on the Glass World bullentin board, and he wrote to me. I tried to get it locally where I buy refractory boards, but they were unable to locate it. The advantage to refractory plaster is that you get multiple firings, but even this plaster will fail eventually. But the good news is that I just put it in my mother's donated meat grinder, and you can reuse it. So while the initial outlay for this was about $.50 a pound + $.50 a pound UPS charges...and I had to order it in a 25 pound box...I still have it and I use it. I am not sure this is what they mean by "high temp plaster", but it might be. I went to my shop to get a box of the plaster I use..it is by "Triko Products", it is called "Plaster Paris". It says on the box it is for patching walls, making dental plates, and ornamental plaster relief decorations. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 09:19:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: access.k12.wv.us!kunger From: kunger@access.k12.wv.us (Kathy P Unger) To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: string Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 08:34:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.43438.0> References: <<1999Jun7.165817.0>> Precedence: bulk I wear thin latex gloves, gotten by the box at a reasonable price at Kmart. Keeps the chem's off, gives some heat protection, and are reusable a couple of timesbefore they get sticky. Rita Tidwell wrote: > Anyone with chapped fingers, no pun intended. I was a dairy farmer for > almost 40 years and never had a problem. Had exposure to many > chemicals,weather, and acids, no gloves or lotion. I think my problem is > either the flux or remover. I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I > think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. Best remedy I've > found is chapstick. I get the kind in the little round jar. Also, could > anyone clue me in as to the difference in fluxes? Which is best for > what. Rita > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 09:33:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Ken & Barbara Larie" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: solder naked?!?! Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:28:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.6288.0> References: <<1999Jun7.1983.0>> Precedence: bulk We've been teaching a 'Soldering In the Nude' course for years! Check out Score Magazine from Spectrum Glass from several years back for proof. Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken & Barbara Larie To: Blake, Wayne, & Susan Sent: June 8, 1999 1:08 AM Subject: Re: solder naked?!?! > Even with my denim apron, that I wear to work in, I wouldn't take a chance on > soldering in the buff. That stuff really burns. > > "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" wrote: > > > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I > > >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass > > >chips, etc.:) > > >Liz > > > > Yikes!!! > > Count me out of THAT sport!!! > > And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!! There's usually > > several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my > > workbench and onto my pants. I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables, > > (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!! > > > > If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked. Well, at > > least until the neighbors complained. > > > > *evil grin*! > > Blake > > :-) > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 09:42:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: string-good thing about being poor Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:00:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.307.0> Precedence: bulk I'll match my meager income as a teacher (in rural NM, teaching on the rez)against anyone on bungi , but the good thing about being poor, is that I appreciate everything I own and take care of it. It also is a great motivation to be clever and creative. I learned a great deal from Mike Savad who might be poor or maybe he's just cheap, but he always knows a less expensive way to get glass stuff. He was the one who suggested to the group that yard sales and flea markets are a great glass resource. I bought my safety glasses with a heat filter clip, case, neck strap (for kiln work), worth some money, for $1.00. I go to the flea market to look for glass stuff now. It is 70 miles to the nearest one, but it is always worth the day. I found the greatest glass marbles last Saturday...they are really small like tiny sweet peas, and I bought this large jar of them for $2.00. I don't know how I am going to use them in my glass work, someone suggested I use them in the center of some of my slumped and fused flowers! I also bought a very old reading lamp base with glass (might be lead crystal, and etched mirror) for $8.00, it is just waiting for a stained glass shade. I would have had a sterling silver and glass one too, but this really rude lady grabbed it out of my friend's hands! (I guess I am not so poor I want to brawl for my finds.) The prices on tools are great. I do worry that some of these tools are hot though! I also talked with this man who had a large assortment of metal items. He brings them from Mexico, but one of the bases he had was screaming for a large glass bowl. He also had these perfect 5 pointed stars, solid metal, and I kept thinking that maybe I could figure how to use them. Since Saturday I have been thinking maybe I could use them in a frame (Glenna's use of quarters as a border, has inspired me to think differently about what I can use) or maybe I could slump glass over them without kilnwash, and see if the glass would adhere without cracking, and make them wall hangings? I didn't buy any because it hasn't come to me yet, but the little ones were $.25. Enough on the enjoyment of being poor. Also, lets not forget, I have all summer off to play glass...because I am an under-paid teacher! I just can't stop counting my blessings! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 09:44:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: tidwell2@bellsouth.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: string Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:38:06 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun8.14386.0> Precedence: bulk Rita, I'm not sure what causes it, but my hands always look dried out, probably, from all the various and dundry things related to glass one picks up, which may have some chemical residue, or may contain corrosives, not to mention the occasional small cuts. As someone who farmed, I'm sure you're familiar with "Bag Balm". When my hands get too dry, I use that ffor a few days. Helps heal the cuts, too. Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 10:05:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: On the road again Date: Tue Jun 8 08:20:37 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.55837.0> Precedence: bulk well, patrick has probably already left, but if you get this while you are there patrick, call me, i live about 30miles south of dayton 1-888-488-9616 513-658-4760 (cell) 513-860-4762 (home) i have never been there, but there is supposed to be a nice store in the beaver creek area (south east of the city) thanx debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 12:23 AM Subject: On the road again >I am going to be in Dayton, Ohio from May 31st thru June the 18th. Anybody >from that area? I've found quite a few stained glass stores in Dayton... but >none of the names ring a bell. > > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 10:11:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: ezcomezgo@earthlink.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:57:18 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun8.145718.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I happen to love witty sayings, but 'till reading this post, hadn't really given much thought to the fact that a lot of people have no sense of humor (How sad), but I wonder how much an effect sinage like that would have on repeat business? Dunno. However, at my favorite Deli (one of three in all metro LA even CLOSE to real NY DEli) There is a sign I really enjoy it says: If you are grumpy, oppositional, difficult, or just plain ornery, there will be a $50.00 charge for putting up with you. Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 10:33:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lamp bases Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:52:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199906081457.OAA11443@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello Charles, et al ....or perhaps.... from whence the bases came..... Killing 2 birds with one stone here, i.e. also strings. A couple or years ago, I suggested doing lamp bases with a difference, e.g. from "found objects".During my daily hikes with Toby across fields and woodlands, I often come across strange natural objects that I feel would be just "right" for s.g. purpose. I have collected together a small number of interesting shaped hollow tree trunks - small and large - which would be ideal for converting into lamp bases. Easy to run a wire through, then to fill the hollow with lead and some sort of filler, clean up the wood and make it level. So much more interesting and unique than a lump of pre-cast lump of non-descript metal..... (cheap too!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hi All, > I'm looking for sources and/or links for lamp bases. I go into a dept > store or see an ad in a magazine and I see a lamp with a base I've never > seen before, no one knows where the bases come from (or should I say > ...from where the bases come'):-). HELP! > Thx, > C. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 10:36:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Desoldering Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:52:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199906081457.OAA11440@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk It's called (Over Here) de-soldering web; it's fine strands of copper wire plaited together in a length which is then coiled up . I first came across it some 15-20 years ago from my electronics engineering husband. Since then, I have seen it being sold in stained glass retailers also (at a considerable marked up price). The same company makes it that also makes tip cleaning paste, namely "Multicore". It works like a kind of blotting paper, literally soaking up excess solder in amongst the fine strands of copper wire. Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK Diane Manchester wrote: > Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the > solder to let it run through and out. However, if the piece is big, or > long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the > solder and letting it melt down and off. > > But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't > remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a > sponge of some sort. Does anyone know what that product is, or if is > works? Sounds like the best idea. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 10:56:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: "Kathe R. Mc Donald" To: "'Norman & Claudette Jaramillo'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: San Diego Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:12:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.51246.0> Organization: SOM - Office of Curricular Support Precedence: bulk I'm going to my 30th high school reunion in Coronado in a couple of weeks. What was the name of the glass store? -----Original Message----- From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo [SMTP:cpjaram@7cities.net] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 9:55 AM To: Bungi Subject: San Diego I just got back from a 5 day weekend in San Diego. I went to a gift shop in Coronado, that featured nothing but glass art. According to the shop owner, he features the work of 32 glass artisans, representing about 10 different countries. He had it all displayed beautifully, and was able to talk about the glass processes necessary to create each piece knowledgeably. I thought his glass was very reasonably priced given the quality. When I commented to him that it was priced well, he replied..."Anyone can find high priced art, but the joy is to find art at a reasonable price." Don't get me wrong, it was not priced cheaply, but from what I have seen in my limited experience, his ware was impressive and his prices were fair. I know his rent district in Coronado can't be cheap either. I got a few creative ideas from the work, and I got a new project for those fourth graders of mine. He had lizards and toads that were fused and slumped, and I am sure my kids would sure enjoy creating....now of course, I am not furnishing the dichroic scrap, but what we create is fine. All I need to do is make the slumping molds this summer. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 10:58:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: solder naked?!?! Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.8566.0> Precedence: bulk >Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass >supplier Officially sanctioned by whom? Actually no matter, I do plan on trying to stop at your shop when hubby and I will be in Toronto this September (to see the Indians play the Bluejays), I was just wondering. Take Care, Soraya **I am not even going to comment on the sodering naked topic....** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 11:26:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Scan of Angel Bridge Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.24240.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, The picture link below is for the angel bridge that many of you helped on the design of, I scanned it with my new scanner, it took about 6 separate scans to get the entire circle, so there are some graphic seams. http://www.unitytustin.org/download/bridge.jpg Been working on a bunch of butterfly garden sticks, went and bought out the local hardware on brazing rods, and have made a bunch of bodies, using re-strip to provide the attachment for the wings to the rod and body. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 12:24:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: string-good thing about being poor Date: Tue Jun 8 10:37:11 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.81511.0> Precedence: bulk i'll match your meager income! i am a retail stained glass store! >BG< debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo To: Bungi Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 12:57 PM Subject: string-good thing about being poor >I'll match my meager income as a teacher (in rural NM, teaching on the >rez)against anyone on bungi , but the good thing about being poor, is that I >appreciate everything I own and take care of it. It also is a great >motivation to be clever and creative. I learned a great deal from Mike >Savad who might be poor or maybe he's just cheap, but he always knows a less >expensive way to get glass stuff. He was the one who suggested to the group >that yard sales and flea markets are a great glass resource. I bought my >safety glasses with a heat filter clip, case, neck strap (for kiln work), >worth some money, for $1.00. I go to the flea market to look for glass >stuff now. It is 70 miles to the nearest one, but it is always worth the >day. I found the greatest glass marbles last Saturday...they are really >small like tiny sweet peas, and I bought this large jar of them for $2.00. >I don't know how I am going to use them in my glass work, someone suggested >I use them in the center of some of my slumped and fused flowers! I also >bought a very old reading lamp base with glass (might be lead crystal, and >etched mirror) for $8.00, it is just waiting for a stained glass shade. I >would have had a sterling silver and glass one too, but this really rude >lady grabbed it out of my friend's hands! (I guess I am not so poor I want >to brawl for my finds.) The prices on tools are great. I do worry that >some of these tools are hot though! I also talked with this man who had a >large assortment of metal items. He brings them from Mexico, but one of the >bases he had was screaming for a large glass bowl. He also had these >perfect 5 pointed stars, solid metal, and I kept thinking that maybe I could >figure how to use them. Since Saturday I have been thinking maybe I could >use them in a frame (Glenna's use of quarters as a border, has inspired me >to think differently about what I can use) or maybe I could slump glass over >them without kilnwash, and see if the glass would adhere without cracking, >and make them wall hangings? I didn't buy any because it hasn't come to me >yet, but the little ones were $.25. > >Enough on the enjoyment of being poor. Also, lets not forget, I have all >summer off to play glass...because I am an under-paid teacher! I just >can't stop counting my blessings! > >cj > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 12:52:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: string-good thing about being poor Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:26:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.8269.0> References: <<1999Jun8.307.0>> Precedence: bulk One day a father and his rich family took his young son on a trip to the country with the firm purpose to show him how poor people can be. They spent a day and a night in the farm of a very poor family. When they got back from their trip the father asked his son, "How was the trip?" "Very good, Dad!" "Did you see how poor people can be?" the father asked. "Yeah!" "And what did you learn?" The son answered, "I saw that we have a dog at home, and they have four. We have a pool that reaches to the middle of the garden, they have a creek that has no end. We have imported lamps in the garden, they have the stars. Our patio reaches to the front yard, they have a whole horizon." When the little boy was finishing, his father was speechless. His son added, "Thanks Dad for showing me how poor we are!" Isn't it true that it all depends on the way you look at things? If you have love, friends, family, health, good humor and a positive attitude towards life - you've got everything! You can't buy any of these things. You can have all the material possessions you can imagine, provisions for the future, etc., but if you are poor of spirit, you have nothing! Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 13:57:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientside-viennasys.com!sfairbairn From: Steve Fairbairn To: 'Bungi Mailing List' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Desoldering Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:01:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.616.0> Precedence: bulk In the electronics business we use "Solder Suckers". There is a manual sucker that looks like a big fat syringe. You push the spring-loaded plunger down and it locks in place, then you press a button and the plunger releases and sucks up any molten solder that is near its tip. These devices are fairly cheap and can be purchased at Radio Shack or any other electronic components shop. There is also a desoldering iron that is a regular soldering iron with hollow tip that is connected to a vacuum pump. You heat the solder with the iron then activate the pump (usually with a foot switch) and it sucks up the molten solder. They are relatively expensive devices and are generally a fairly low wattage. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Diane W Manchester [mailto:tifstyorig@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 5:02 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Desoldering Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the solder to let it run through and out. However, if the piece is big, or long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the solder and letting it melt down and off. But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a sponge of some sort. Does anyone know what that product is, or if is works? Sounds like the best idea. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 16:54:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 18:09:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.1498.0> References: <<1999Jun7.165853.0>> Precedence: bulk Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique??? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 17:16:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Desoldering Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:27:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199906082233.WAA31248@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve , et al Thanks for reminding me! Yes, of course!! I was given one of those too - years ago. I just found it cumbersome and clumsy to use and the spring was so fierce that the syringe threatened to leap out of my hand....... Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in UK Steve wrote: > In the electronics business we use "Solder Suckers". There is a manual > sucker that looks like a big fat syringe. You push the spring-loaded > plunger down and it locks in place, then you press a button and the > plunger releases and sucks up any molten solder that is near its tip. > These devices are fairly cheap and can be purchased at Radio Shack or > any other electronic components shop. > > There is also a desoldering iron that is a regular soldering iron with > hollow tip that is connected to a vacuum pump. You heat the solder with > the iron then activate the pump (usually with a foot switch) and it > sucks up the molten solder. They are relatively expensive devices and > are generally a fairly low wattage. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 18:28:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:07:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.14716.0> References: <<1999Jun8.1498.0>> Precedence: bulk Havent you heard???? She's coming to the USA!!! :o) Suzanne Family Account wrote: > > Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique??? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 18:47:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Watch out hamsters.... Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:11:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.141133.0> Precedence: bulk this is more my style... enjoy. ;o) http://www.dnc.net/users/garrenmg/sofines/froggys/hopyday2.htm Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 19:06:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:35:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: My best client Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.102942.0> Precedence: bulk Today is very special. I have a new hero for a client! I delivered two rather ordinary windows and the client went wild. He was as pleased as any person I can recall. Just kept coming back to design details and overall comments that made me blush. Shook my hand right away. I had taken a few liberties with a rather plain design that he had approved and was ready to defend my artistic license. No need this time, no need at all. It is no wonder that the client is a leader in his profession. He knows how to get people on his side in a hurry. ............... Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 *Pray for me, you'll feel better.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 19:33:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sal ammoniac-- Dawn Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:35:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.133534.0> Precedence: bulk I don't know for sure how to use mine either. I use mine like a scraping block. I have worn a grove at the top/side, and my iron slips in, and I rub until I do not see anymore black crud...then I re-tin my tip and rub a little more. It shines up nice and I start work again. The fumes are not pleasant so I do all this with a fume trap going and my exhaust fan blowing with the window open if possible. I think we have discussed on bungi before that some of the group has had reactions to this stuff, headaches, etc. So don't breath it. Nasty, nasty! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 20:34:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: My best client Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.171620.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, That is just great. I am so glad for your client, and you also. So very nice to hear. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; 2 Shirley's List Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:33 PM Subject: My best client >Today is very special. I have a new hero for a client! I delivered two >rather ordinary windows and the client went wild. He was as pleased as any >person I can recall. Just kept coming back to design details and overall >comments that made me blush. Shook my hand right away. > >I had taken a few liberties with a rather plain design that he had approved >and was ready to defend my artistic license. No need this time, no need at >all. > >It is no wonder that the client is a leader in his profession. He knows how >to get people on his side in a hurry. ............... Bob > >Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 >*Pray for me, you'll feel better.* > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 20:52:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Slab Figures Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.16326.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I recently purchased a wrought iron garden thingy. It's a slab glass sun face on the top of a rod. You stick the rod into the ground and the 'face' lights up with sunshine. I didn't purchase the object for that reason, I'm interested in the sun face. It's the color of a coke bottle. The face has a rim that's about 1/4" thick, with the overall thickness of the rest about 1/2" or so and 5" across. The label said 'Mexico'. Does anyone know of a source of molded slab glass objects. Thx, C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 21:22:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:39:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: cpjaram@7cities.net Subject: Re: string-good thing about being poor Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 22:33:47 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun9.23347.0> References: <<1999Jun8.307.0>> Precedence: bulk I hear you. I too am an underpaid teacher in a little hick town in Upstate NY. I'm sure on the reservation you are a little poorer than me. But I have to work summer school every year just to pay the bills and keep up my glass habit. Lord knows why I picked such an expensive hobby. Every year I say next summer I AM NOT teaching summer school....guess what.....summer school starts July 6th this year. Some day! Caren ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 21:38:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: shad@mail2.nai.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:36:52 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun9.23652.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/8/99 7:55:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shad@mail2.nai.net writes: > Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique??? > Sorry, if I demonstrated I'd have to kill you all..... IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 21:38:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My best client Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.12537.0> References: <<1999Jun8.102942.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > Today is very special. I have a new hero for a client! I delivered two > rather ordinary windows and the client went wild. He was as pleased as any > person I can recall. Just kept coming back to design details and overall > comments that made me blush. Shook my hand right away. > > I had taken a few liberties with a rather plain design that he had approved > and was ready to defend my artistic license. No need this time, no need at > all. > > It is no wonder that the client is a leader in his profession. He knows how > to get people on his side in a hurry. ............... Bob Nice story to hear Bob. Another confirmation [from a post earlier today] that : one catches more flies with honey than vinegar. Of course, you probably did a good job for him too ... that counts for a bit too donchathinkso? Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 8 21:54:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:58:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Favorite quick/easy piece Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:54:21 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun9.35421.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/7/99 7:38:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esavad@home.net writes: << > >What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to > >make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect? > >Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the > >way you want it to. > > > >Jim >> Business card holders, boxes or candle shelters. I love to make the small things over big panels in any case. Dianne >^..^< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 01:19:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Dawn Barker Subject: Sal ammoniac Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:24:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.92451.0> References: <<1999Jun7.151823.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Dawn, It never occurred to me to seal any outdoor things. Lead calme and cement have worked in the weather for centuries. The real point of the message- I (don't know about others) use sal ammoniac only when the soldering bit will not clean on the wet sponge or with a brass wire brush. Then I put the hot bit on the block and rub the flat side of the bit along the block until after it begins to smoke. When it looks clean, I add a little solder and continue to rub for a while. Then I clean the bit on a sponge. If it is bright, it is finished, if not, I repeat. Steve In message <1999Jun7.151823.0@?>, Dawn Barker writes >Two more stupid questions.... > >1. What do you seal garden stakes and other outdoor things with? The usual >carnuba wax stuff? Or is there something better? > >2. How does one use sal ammoniac? > >Thanks in advance! > >Dawn Barker > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 01:51:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Candy Thurman Subject: Slumping mold materials Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:05:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.9533.0> References: <<199906080131.TAA10202@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk If refractory cement is the same as refractory plaster, I have used it, and it did not work. The formed cement cracked badly in air drying and simply fell apart. Steve In message <199906080131.TAA10202@mantis.privatei.com>, Candy Thurman writes >Claudette, > >I too am experiencing mold making, and using odd things... > >The plaster statement interested me.. I have the hobby lobby plaster, but >haven't tried it >yet.. what is refractory plaster? > >Also, a book I have says to look for ' high temp plaster' .. any idea what that >is? >Candy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 03:41:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Diane W Manchester Subject: Re: Desoldering Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:45:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.104540.0> References: <<1999Jun8.427.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Diane, I don't know the name of the de-soldering device, but I have tried one. It is meant for small "point" de-soldering jobs. It does not work on large jobs like a solder bead. Steve In message <1999Jun8.427.0@?>, Diane W Manchester writes >Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the >solder to let it run through and out. However, if the piece is big, or >long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the >solder and letting it melt down and off. > >But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't >remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a >sponge of some sort. Does anyone know what that product is, or if is >works? Sounds like the best idea. > >Diane Manchester >Tiffany Styled Originals >Carthage, NC >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 07:34:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re, Ng ,Men Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:47:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.44734.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry....I was referring to impressing men...Food Etc...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 07:36:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 101 things.... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.45758.0> Precedence: bulk :( I haven't made 101 things yet! Abbie in Va.....:( ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 07:51:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.582.0> Precedence: bulk Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!! Abbie in Va... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 08:13:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: "Bob Duchesneau" , "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My best client Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:46:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.54625.0> Precedence: bulk I know this is a few days late but this is great news..great job, greatful client. Abbie in Va :) -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; 2 Shirley's List Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:20 PM Subject: My best client >Today is very special. I have a new hero for a client! I delivered two >rather ordinary windows and the client went wild. He was as pleased as any >person I can recall. Just kept coming back to design details and overall >comments that made me blush. Shook my hand right away. > >I had taken a few liberties with a rather plain design that he had approved >and was ready to defend my artistic license. No need this time, no need at >all. > >It is no wonder that the client is a leader in his profession. He knows how >to get people on his side in a hurry. ............... Bob > >Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 >*Pray for me, you'll feel better.* > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 08:42:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Danial, solder....string... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.5238.0> Precedence: bulk I have the same idea on a few projects....ths solder is really bad...I can't seem to get the edges right... :( Abbie ): ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 08:47:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Hot Sauna{glass room} for Suzanne in Tulsa! Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:13:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.6133.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Suzanne , sounds like you have the same thing we have at work this week in your glass studio....A free sauna, compliments of our boss.....LOL .....Except it's not really that funny , is it.... sorry you burnt your finger.... I thought I was the only one who does that....I actually finished a cute panal this week.....a kitty cat for a cat loving friend....Take care Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 09:04:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:19:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: String... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:18:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.61850.0> Precedence: bulk Great idea on the chapped stick before fluxing...I am going to try this...I got flux in a cut this week...ouch>(>(>(>( Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 09:21:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:48:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:51:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.25146.0> Precedence: bulk > >> Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique??? >> >Sorry, if I demonstrated I'd have to kill you all..... > >IA > and if I demonstrated, trust me, you'd want to kill me...! (Not a pretty site...) Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 09:38:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Suzanne in Tulsa... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.62321.0> Precedence: bulk So young. yet so smart....And she's pretty too......Sorry fellows , she's married. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 09:52:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: tv craft shows Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:17:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.21752.0> Precedence: bulk Shari wrote..... And what makes it worse is all the crafty tv shows that show them how to "make their own" stepping stones. I wonder what impact those shows do have on sales? I confess though, I did send off for one of Vicky Payne's videos after she demonstrated mosaics...it wasn't worth it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 10:02:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:36:28 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199906091439.JAA28162@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique??? The expert will soon be winging her way westward---maybe it will be included in the workshops...... ; - ) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 10:20:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 11:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.7746.0> References: <<1999Jun9.582.0>> Precedence: bulk Evelyn C Mason wrote: > > Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away > with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!! Abbie in Va... > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i have to stop myself. but what can really get bad is trying to prevent my flux covered fingers from entering my mouth and eyes. you make the mistake with the eye once. but the mouth, ...takes a little longer to learn. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 10:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:14:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'bungi'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Slab Figures Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:04:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.8436.0> Precedence: bulk i see these all the time when i go to mexico, but i'm only about 3 hours from the border. you might look up import interior decorator places in your yellow pages. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles R. Clark [mailto:dwood@sky.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Slab Figures > > > Hi All, > I recently purchased a wrought iron garden thingy. It's a > slab glass sun > face on the top of a rod. You stick the rod into the ground and the > 'face' lights up with sunshine. I didn't purchase the object for that > reason, I'm interested in the sun face. It's the color of a coke > bottle. The face has a rim that's about 1/4" thick, with the overall > thickness of the rest about 1/2" or so and 5" across. The label said > 'Mexico'. Does anyone know of a source of molded slab glass objects. > Thx, > C. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 10:45:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: glasscc To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Guinness Book of World Records Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 11:48:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990609114848.0069de94@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk The following email is posted with permission from the author. He found my web site, and needs some information. Hopefully there are plenty of knowledgable people on the list willing to help him out. Joyce Garden of Glass Arial BlackVITRALES UN ESPACIO Elisia ArialMedell=EDn, June 9, 1999. Elisia= A= rialDear Ms. Moran,=20 Thank you very much for answering my e-mail so soon. I=B4d be grateful if you do forward my inquire to your e-mail list. Please keep in touch. I am very glad to have met you thru the net. Yours truly, Pedro L. Arango General Manager Vitrales Un Espacio Cr 36 No. 8A-95 El Poblado, Medell=EDn. Colombia Tel: + (574) 312-4323 + (574) 268-9771 Fax: + (574) 268-4740 ---------- De: glasscc <<0000,0000,ffffjoyce@mail.bright.net> A: PEDRO LUIS ARANGO <<0000,0000,ffffvitralesunespacio@epm.net.c= o> Asunto: Re: Questions on Bending/Glass Heat Behavior - Guinness WorldRecord=20 Fecha: martes 8 de junio de 1999 5:28 Can I forward this email to one of my stained glass email lists? Joyce Moran Medell=EDn, June 7, 1999. Dear Ms Moran, Vitrales Un Espacio is a Stained Glass Studio. We would appreciate it very much if you could help us with our questions or direct them to the appropiate people. Thank you. Bending Glass by Heat. We need some guidelines to help us in the process of bending Baroque, Antique, Waterglass, Hammered and Smallhamered Spectrum Glass. All Clear, in principle -at this point in time the design calls for clear glass only. We will not do the work outselves but subcontract it. Unfortunately, we do not know ourselves the state of the art in bending glass. Thus, we cannot compare it with the capabilities of our local artisants. With your information though, we feel we=B4ll be in some sort of control of the process. The idea is to bend glass pieces -1/8 to 4 sq. ft. irregular in shape, to conform to the surface of a cylinder 5=B4 3" diameter. Of concern of course, is to preserve the characteristic texture of each type of glass. Please elaborate on: * Type of kiln. * Type and material of mould=B4s surface. * Temperature range. * Appropriate temperature=B4s rates of growth and descent. Guinness Records. Our company has designed a Stained Glass Work piece with some special characteristics that lead us to believe in the possibility of breaking a established Guinness Record, or, establishing a new category for it. We already have sent the pertinent information to Guinness in London. Our question to you is circumscribed to the Stained-Glass side of the issue. First, a quick description of the design: * Cylindrical shape. 5 ft plus diameter, 5 ft plus height. * About 1500 pieces. Foiled. Heat bent (?). Mostly the type of glass=20 of first question. * One Panel. By one panel I mean the cylinder is continuos. It is a tube with its=20 two ends open. It has no seams except the solder lines themselves, but no one of them is a straight line. The cylinder somehow resembles a very large Hemispherical Tiffany lamp, if one needs something to compare it with. The individual glass pieces have to be bent to conform to the round surface of a 5=B4 diameter-cylinder. Foiled and then soldered. The assembled product rests on a metal ring at its bottom, and spans=20 the 5 plus ft height till an upper metal ring.=20 Unlike most other standard stained glass works, it has no "vertical frame-sides". Meaning, it is continuos, not even a straight solder line that could resemble a "vertical frame side". If one thinks about this, realizes that the piece has to be assembled on its frame structure almost from the very begining., eg., unlike a stained-glass window, that is first built at a Glass Studio and then put onto its wood or metal frame once assembled. We would appreciate getting some feedback from you; from your experience and knowledge of what=B4s out there in the Stained-Glass world. * In general, what do you think of the design, lets say, its novelty? * Do you know of anything like it anywhere else ?=20 * Are you aware of any Guinness Record held by a Stained-Glass work at all ? We thank you in advance for your efforts in providing us with the answers to our questions. Yours truly, Pedro L. Arango General Manager Vitrales Un Espacio Cr 36 No. 8A-95 El Poblado, Medell=EDn. Colombia Tel: + (574) 312-4323 + (574) 268-9771 Fax: + (574) 268-4740 e-mail:0000,0000,ffffvitralesunespacio@epm.= net.co ---------- Times New Roman ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 11:07:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Artglass From: Artglass@webtv.net (Glass Tat-2) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Kiln mold making Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun9.21941.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Gang Just a note to some of you that have been having problems with molds. I have found that in the long run if you try to save a couple of $$$ what you waste in time and extra work / headaches, is never worth it. We carry ..."wet felt", "hydroperm" , "fiberblanket". "rigidizer" and a few more items, like stainless steel floral former, bowls and a few others that we can order. Build a shelf with about a 4" lip in the front, and install it as high up as you can leaving about 15" to the ceiling. Store all your molds there as they can be used again,but are fragile. Hope this helped and if your coming to the art-glass show in Long Beach,stop by and say Hi......we will be in booth #610. If you tell us your from the bungi gang you will get a discount. Bye 4 now.... Larry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 11:17:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:52:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.85214.0> Precedence: bulk >Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away >with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!! No, I have done that a few times. Now I just assume that all those little blobs are hot! Ouch!! Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 12:09:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:17:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed Jun 9 11:16:48 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.85448.0> References: <<1999Jun9.7746.0>> Precedence: bulk and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into their coffee cup or iron stand? (i know, don't drink when soldering, but doesn't mean the cup isn't left sitting there-especially in a small work area) > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Savad [mailto:esavad@home.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 11:08 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... > > > Evelyn C Mason wrote: > > > > Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder > blob away > > with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!! Abbie in Va... > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > i have to stop myself. but what can really get bad is trying to prevent > my flux covered fingers from entering my mouth and eyes. you make the > mistake with the eye once. but the mouth, ...takes a little longer to > learn. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance > Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification > too and A Look at Sky City > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 12:39:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "glasscc" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Guinness Book of World Records Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:31:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.4311.0> Precedence: bulk >>Our question to you is circumscribed to the Stained-Glass side of the issue. First, a quick description of the design: * Cylindrical shape. 5 ft plus diameter, 5 ft plus height. * About 1500 pieces. Foiled. Heat bent (?). << To bend glass to make pieces to be assembled into a five foot diameter cylinder that is five feet high is no big deal. Of course a kiln that is large enough for the largest piece of glass to be bent is necessary. A programable electric kiln is handy but a gass kiln will do a good job too. I would tend to make a ceramic fiber mold of the correct radias to bend the glass OVER and not into. This mold should have alignment marks for the centerline and glass should be cut to pattern and marked with vertical centerline marks to align on the mold. With good alignment dicipline the bent pieces should be so close that they could be leaded if desired. A firing program for 1/8" thick art glass 1' X 2' would likely be 300'F per hour from ambient temperature up to 1050'F and then 100'F per hour to 1120'F, cut off and cool at natural rate of the kiln to room temperature. This program should not mark most glass. There is no need for annealing due to the thinness of the glass. Smaller pieces could have a faster rate of initial advance. Sprinkling a coat of dry kiln wash between pieces would allow stacking one or two smaller pieces on the now bottom piece. A nice trick that I do all the time in making several hundred large compound curve lamp panels a year. ................ Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 13:08:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:41:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.84133.0> References: <<1999Jun9.7746.0>> Precedence: bulk > i have to stop myself. but what can really get bad is trying to prevent > my flux covered fingers from entering my mouth and eyes. you make the > mistake with the eye once. but the mouth, ...takes a little longer to > learn. > > ---Mike Savad > Im still trying to quit that. I have a tendency to to lick my finger if I am having a hard time picking something up... I HATE the taste of flux. T Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 14:04:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 11:55:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990609115509.0095d2d0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<199906091439.JAA28162@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk At 09:36 AM 6/9/99, Kaye Sodt wrote: > > > Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique??? > >The expert will soon be winging her way westward---maybe it >will be included in the workshops...... > > ; - ) > >Kaye I'll guess we'll have to work the bugs out of the technique during the first session in Maryland ;-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 14:28:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Evelyn C Mason Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Suzanne in Tulsa... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.8561.0> References: <<1999Jun9.62321.0>> Precedence: bulk > So young. yet so smart....And she's pretty too...... I guess that all depends on a persons perspective. When I was 20 I sure didnt think of 41 as young..but I sure do *now*! ;o) Smart? I dunno...Im good at research. ;o) Pretty? lol, Suzanne breaks into song..."If you could see me now...." Sorry fellows , she's married.? They might be better off with me married. You sure are sweet, Miss Abbie. > Great idea on the chapped stick before fluxing...I am going to try this...I got flux in a cut this week...ouch>(>(>(>( Abbie in Va. I missed the post you are responding to on this one. (I think) Tasting flux as I type. Ugh, I hate it..Somehow I always get flux on my lips when I am soldering...is it just from the vapor?? Im really trying not to put on hands on my face...It never occurred to me to put on chapstick first. Does that really keep it off? Hmmmm...sitting in a sauna....open pores...with lead and solder vapors swirling around my head... I might need to take up a healthy habit for a change...if I ever get leisure time again. :o) Funny...all winter I fantasized about a warm beach somewhere...now 65-70 degrees sure sounds good. T Suz.. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 14:40:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:36:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.53654.0> References: <<375EC1E2.3833@netbridge.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > I have been making plantars lately. I keep holding the sides together > right where I put the solder. ouch! > Then there is brushing the little silvers off the cutting board with the > back of your hand. Ouch! > Short cutting late at night and using the solder that dropped onto the > project, taking it off with your soldering iron and cracking the glass. > Polishing the finished project so hard that you break the glass(but that > is probably good cause it was a stress area) > Jumping up from the soldering table right away and washing the project > in cold water; breaks the glass. > Showing someone how great running plyers are, only to have the glass > break in several awful pieces. > Soldering the wrong side of the glass,esp. bad in planters(boxes). > Putting your soldering iron in the flux, instead of its stand. > Let me say this up front. I will never do a big window. > I just made a music box for my mom. It is a little pine box(no not a > coffin)with a rectangle insert in the lid. The insert has an oval open > area. The area is probably 6"X4". I made a 38 piece design of a robbin > on a branch with a pink flower behind the robbin. I undercut the oval > and I undercut the pieces, allowing it to grow. It still overgrew the > area. I have never been so miserable making a stained glass piece > before. Gave me great respect for those of you who make windows, let > alone earn(and you truely do earn it) your living at it. > Shirley B -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 14:46:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: dumb tricks Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.12635.0> Precedence: bulk I find myself trying to put the iron in the solder bottle! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 15:19:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: stepping stone stuff Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:56:27 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun9.195627.0> Precedence: bulk For whoever wanted a few tips on stepping stones, check out this site: http://www.glass-stones.com/construction.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 15:48:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:58:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.55852.0> Precedence: bulk >>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into their coffee cup or iron stand?<< I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................ Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 15:50:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dumb things.... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:35:24 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199906091939.OAA21119@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I've been cured, but a couple of times I neglected to number things. Once it was the pattern pieces. Another time I had a complicated circular (geometric) piece that was all cut out and ready for foiling. Was transporting it to "class" (I spend one evening a week at a local studio) and a bump in the road (probably one of our many potholes) sent the pieces flying all over my trunk. Amazing how different "identical" pieces can be! I arranged and rearranged but it never quite fit as well as it had originally. The current heat wave reminds me of a fellow glasser who was working on a lamp using tacky wax to hold the pieces to the mold. Transported it to class in a very warm car---you can imagine her reaction when she opened the trunk! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 16:03:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: Kathy Mather To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: flux Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:40:41 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jun9.204041.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I've been reading the posts about getting flux in cuts, I used to have the same problem. Now a days I never use flux or solder without wearing rubber gloves, the kind that doctors use. Took a while to get used to but a lot easier on the fingers if you have those small cuts you get from glass. Kathy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 16:16:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:23:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:24:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.132439.0> References: <<1999Jun9.582.0>> Precedence: bulk (1) Trying to catch a soldering iron that I dropped (while soldering, of course) (2) Letting myself be distracted while reaching into a bin of glass (lemme show you the scar) (3) Certain color combinations. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 16:29:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:32:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: tv craft shows Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:36:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.93636.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Subject: tv craft shows >Shari wrote..... And what makes it worse is all the crafty >tv shows that show them how to "make their own" stepping stones. > > >I wonder what impact those shows do have on sales? I confess though, I did >send off for one of Vicky Payne's videos after she demonstrated mosaics...it >wasn't worth it. > Good question. I wasn't too worried about until I saw the pre-cut glass roses and other designs at the craft store next to the Vicky Payne mosaic grout and mosaic molds... The glass is cut with water jets and looks great-- probably Spectrum. Now not only can "anybody" do it, but they can even make the stained glass design versions too... not just glass nuggets, etc. I just hope that people get tired of seeing the same pink glass rose everywhere and come back to buying from the pros! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 16:32:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: southtech.net!dnichols From: Danny Nichols To: Evelyn C Mason Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.135516.0> References: <<1999Jun9.582.0>> Precedence: bulk My finger just told me you are not the only one!!! Evelyn C Mason wrote: > Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away > with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!! Abbie in Va... > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 17:51:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: net-port.com!columbine From: Ken & Barbara Larie To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: string-good thing about being poor Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:31:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.13312.0> References: <<1999Jun8.8269.0>> Organization: Columbine Stained Glass Company Precedence: bulk AMEN Suzanne Gunn wrote: > One day a father and his rich family took his young son on a trip to > the country with the firm purpose to show him how poor people can be. > They spent a day and a night in the farm of a very poor family. > When they got back from their trip the father asked his son, "How was > the trip?" > "Very good, Dad!" > > "Did you see how poor people can be?" the father asked. > > "Yeah!" > > "And what did you learn?" > > The son answered, "I saw that we have a dog at home, and they have > four. We have a pool that reaches to the middle of the garden, they > have a creek that has no end. We have imported lamps in the garden, > they have the stars. Our patio reaches to the front yard, they have a > whole horizon." > > When the little boy was finishing, his father was speechless. > > His son added, "Thanks Dad for showing me how poor we are!" > > Isn't it true that it all depends on the way you look at things? If > you have love, friends, family, health, good humor and a positive > attitude > towards life - you've got everything! > > You can't buy any of these things. You can have all the material > possessions you can imagine, provisions for the future, etc., but if > you are poor of spirit, you have nothing! > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 18:09:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:05:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Family Account , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:01:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.1314.0> References: <<375EDD06.77BB7BE9@ct2.nai.net>> Precedence: bulk I think E and P have it goin on! ;o) Suzanne Family Account wrote: > > Yes, Suzanne, and I hear that Emeraldine will be keeping a close eye on > Pierre...not that he is normally tempted to stray, but.... > > Dorothy > > Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > Havent you heard???? She's coming to the USA!!! :o) > > > > Suzanne > > > > Family Account wrote: > > > > > > Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique??? > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > -- > > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > > > ----Harvey MacKay -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 18:45:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:23:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG - Measuring girth (USPS) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:21:47 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun9.232147.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone - Any postal employees out there that can tell me what this length plus girth thing is for sending small packages to Canada? I have to send a small package to Canada and need to know the postage so I can charge the receiver (something I sold on ebay). So it weighs 8 oz. and the box is 6-1/2" x 9" x 2" high. The post office website says I can send it by small packet airmail for only $1.83 but the length can't be over 24" and the length plus girth can't be over 36". If I figure the length is 9" is the girth 6-1/2 plus 6-1/2 plus 2 plus 2, which is 17? If I add 17 to 9 that's 26 and I'd be OK. But I don't know if they mean the girth both ways (around the 9" side as well) and I've looked and looked at all their documentation and can't find a clarification of "girth". Does anyone know? Thanks, Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 19:03:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:42:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990609164228.009545c0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun9.582.0>> Precedence: bulk Despite my teacher repeatedly warning me not to brush the cutting board with my hand, I forget and still do it every now and again. I remember *real* quick! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 19:22:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:43:13 -0700 Message-ID: <199906092343.QAA19901@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk Washed off a 150 piece panel which contained over a dozen flowers, each with 5 petals. Forgot to give the pen time to dry before washing. Spread them all out to dry. This was at 0130 hr. When I got up and went back to the project...all the numbers had been washed off. Jigsaw puzzles anyone?? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 19:36:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:46:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:45:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.154547.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shirley Balloch >I have never been so miserable making a stained glass piece > before. Gave me great respect for those of you who make windows, let > alone earn(and you truely do earn it) your living at it.< Thanks for the kudos, but we sometimes also have the devil of a time with certain projects. Right now my nemisis is a 22" Wordon lampshade pattern called "4 Little Pigs". If anyone is remotely thinking about doing this pattern - = DON'T. You would think it's got 4 pigs in the lampshade. Wrong. What they don't tell you is you have to repeat the pattern to make it on the 22" form. So it's acutally 8 little pigs. And I do mean LITTLE....as in pieces so tiny you have to use tweezers to handle them. Throw this pattern away. My dumb thing is I quoted & accepted the contract to do this lampshade based on my perception of the intricacy involved. Instead, it's become my nightmare! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 20:12:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bob Duchesneau" , Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:42:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.164253.0> Precedence: bulk My flux brush has gone into cutting oil (I put my flux and cutting oil in small plastic cups that I toss when done), I have also put my soldering iron into flux cup instead of holder when just not watching. :-) Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... >>>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into >their >coffee cup or iron stand?<< > >I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................ Bob > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 20:39:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi Group" Subject: Linda Jo's trip to Maryland/Pa. Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:08:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.1788.0> Precedence: bulk I think I finally have the dates of our trip to Aberdeen, Md. Dan will be in class Monday through Friday August 16 through the 20th at Aberdeen Proving Ground, and I will be running the streets seeing what trouble I can get into. (glasswise of course) Anyone that is in the area, maybe we can get together. I will have a car, and hope to get together with KSee, and go to Meredith. I am going to make the trek up to Allentown also, long drive but have to do it. It is a bit of a jaunt but would be a shame to be that close and not go up there. Uncle Sam has for sure made it almost impossible for me to make it to Glass Visions :-( unless something changes. Patrick, I need to know the BEST CRABCAKE place in Baltimore? You promised. I am open to any and all suggestion for studios to go to and stuff from anyone. If there is anyone that is north of Baltimore (on I-95) and knows where I can find decent accommodations (that don't rent by the hour) within 30-45 minutes to the Proving Ground. I haven't been up there in 3 years and there must be some new places in the BelAir area. Any and all Input welcome. Last time we ended up in a elegant B&B with NO!! A/C, in August. Thanks Guys, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 20:57:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_18d97bee.24907109_boundary" Subject: Fwd: Dumb things.... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:38:17 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.13817.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_18d97bee.24907109_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_18d97bee.24907109_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: HiimLaura@aol.com From: HiimLaura@aol.com Full-name: Hi imLaura Message-ID: <18d97bee.24906da2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:23:46 EDT Subject: Re: Dumb things.... To: kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Here's a dumb thing I hate: Accidentally using the wrong type of foil - uggg --part1_18d97bee.24907109_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 21:48:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG - Measuring girth (USPS) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.175718.0> References: <<1999Jun9.232147.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > Hi everyone - Any postal employees out there that can tell me what this > length plus girth thing is for sending small packages to Canada? I have to > send a small package to Canada and need to know the postage so I can charge > the receiver (something I sold on ebay). So it weighs 8 oz. and the box is > 6-1/2" x 9" x 2" high. The post office website says I can send it by small > packet airmail for only $1.83 but the length can't be over 24" and the length > plus girth can't be over 36". If I figure the length is 9" is the girth > 6-1/2 plus 6-1/2 plus 2 plus 2, which is 17? If I add 17 to 9 that's 26 and > I'd be OK. But I don't know if they mean the girth both ways (around the 9" > side as well) and I've looked and looked at all their documentation and can't > find a clarification of "girth". Does anyone know? > > Thanks, > Brenda > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's the length PLUS the width TIMES 2. then ADD the height to get the girth. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 22:01:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Steve Wernecke" , Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:24:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.182430.0> Precedence: bulk Steve, That is a good one. I am trying to not walk out into my studio barefooted. I sometimes just forget. I only wear shoes when absolutely necessary. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... >Despite my teacher repeatedly warning me not to brush the cutting board >with my hand, I forget and still do it every now and again. I remember >*real* quick! > >Steve >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 22:16:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:18:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990609221810.00908568@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk >and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into >their coffee cup or iron stand?<< > Of course not...I try to remember to use the cups with lids and bottles for water instead of glasses not quite so big a mess if you tip them over when you get all absorbed and forget the cup is sitting there. I forget and brush with my hand occassionally too....I found the best cure is doing the dishes in a tub of hot sudsy water instead of using the dishwasher on those nights. of course a well fluxed glass cut takes forever to heal. oh yeah, and glass bits in the eye are fun too. Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 22:31:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Christie A. Wood" , Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.185542.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, Advice taken, if it is a real bear for you, then I know I would never ever take it on. I don't have the urge at this time in my life to do a shade anyhow, but should I the pigs won't be it. Thanks!! Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... >Message text written by Shirley Balloch >>I have never been so miserable making a stained glass piece >> before. Gave me great respect for those of you who make windows, let >> alone earn(and you truely do earn it) your living at it.< > >Thanks for the kudos, but we sometimes also have the >devil of a time with certain projects. Right now my nemisis >is a 22" Wordon lampshade pattern called "4 Little Pigs". >If anyone is remotely thinking about doing this pattern - = > >DON'T. You would think it's got 4 pigs in the lampshade. >Wrong. What they don't tell you is you have to repeat the >pattern to make it on the 22" form. So it's acutally 8 little >pigs. And I do mean LITTLE....as in pieces so tiny you >have to use tweezers to handle them. Throw this pattern >away. My dumb thing is I quoted & accepted the contract >to do this lampshade based on my perception of the >intricacy involved. Instead, it's become my nightmare! > >Christie Wood >Art Glass Ensembles >http://www.igga.org/wood/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 22:51:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Markers Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:59:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.185918.0> Precedence: bulk Carol, I know you can do it. I have done the very same thing, (only once) Isn't it interesting how we learn all of this. I must say they must be changing the gold pen fluid as I have noticed it is taking longer to dry and washes off way too easy. I use it to mark antique glassware and boy I know this stuff won't work as good at the same stuff in the "old days"....... Maybe it is just me. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:27 PM Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... > >Washed off a 150 piece panel which contained over a dozen flowers, each with >5 petals. Forgot to give the pen time to dry before washing. Spread them >all out to dry. This was at 0130 hr. When I got up and went back to the >project...all the numbers had been washed off. Jigsaw puzzles anyone?? > >C. > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >http://come.to/The_E-Tour > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 23:30:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: <199906100330.XAA00433@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 6/9/99 8:42 PM Linda Jo Letscher andor@ilnk.com I filled my cutter container with flux! You can imagine how the cutter tip looked when I found it days later - all gone. Also Bob, you are in good company! Thank goodness I didn't have a nice swig of coffee before it was discovered. >My flux brush has gone into cutting oil (I put my flux and cutting oil in >small plastic cups that I toss when done), I have also put my soldering iron >into flux cup instead of holder when just not watching. :-) >Linda Jo > >>>>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into >>their >>coffee cup or iron stand?<< >> >>I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................ >Bob >> > suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 9 23:46:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:13:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.141326.0> Precedence: bulk >>DON'T. You would think it's got 4 pigs in the lampshade. Wrong. What they don't tell you is you have to repeat the pattern to make it on the 22" form. So it's acutally 8 little pigs. And I do mean LITTLE....as in pieces so tiny you have to use tweezers to handle them. << Now here is a place where a bit of fusing would come in handy. Can fuse down to the size of a grain of sugar. Also the look of the piggies would likely be much better than being all cluttered up with lead. I look to fuse components whenever I can. .......... Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 *Pray for me, you'll feel better.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 00:44:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG - Measuring girth (USPS) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:27:41 -0700 Message-ID: <199906100327.UAA13265@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi everyone - Any postal employees out there that can tell me what this >length plus girth thing is for sending small packages to Canada? I have to >send a small package to Canada and need to know the postage so I can charge >the receiver (something I sold on ebay). So it weighs 8 oz. and the box is >6-1/2" x 9" x 2" high. The post office website says I can send it by small >packet airmail for only $1.83 but the length can't be over 24" and the length >plus girth can't be over 36". If I figure the length is 9" is the girth >6-1/2 plus 6-1/2 plus 2 plus 2, which is 17? If I add 17 to 9 that's 26 and >I'd be OK. But I don't know if they mean the girth both ways (around the 9" >side as well) and I've looked and looked at all their documentation and can't >find a clarification of "girth". Does anyone know? Brenda...I deal with this all the time. The length is the longest dimension of the package...in this case 9". The "girth" is the same as the waistline on a person so if you took a string and put it around the package on the 2 shorter sides that would give you the girth. In your case girth will be 6.5 plus 6.5 plus 2 plus 2 equals 17". Add on the 9 inches and yes, you get 26 and the package cannot go small packet rate. Ask them to quote you for parcel post instead. Within Canada you can sometimes get away with putting something in an ExpressPost package (a particular sized envelope similar to courier pouches where anything you can stuff in and still close the lid on is fair game) for less than the parcel post rate...my local post office lady always checks both for me. Hope that helps C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 01:03:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: tv craft shows Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:29:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.152959.0> References: <<1999Jun9.93636.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I bought some of those pre-cut kits from Glass Crafter. They were on sale at the time. 5 designs for $35. The iris(which no one has liked to date)has 28 pieces of glass and is made out of Bull's Eye. The red rose which sold right away, was also made out of Bull's Eye. I thought the same thing, that all the designs would be made out of spectrum, but it was just the opposite. At that sale price it was cheaper to buy theirs, than do my own. But the price has gone back up, so once you add postage, mine is more profit making. Shirley B Shari Higbee wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo > Subject: tv craft shows > > >Shari wrote..... And what makes it worse is all the crafty > >tv shows that show them how to "make their own" stepping stones. > > > > > >I wonder what impact those shows do have on sales? I confess though, I did > >send off for one of Vicky Payne's videos after she demonstrated > mosaics...it > >wasn't worth it. > > > > Good question. I wasn't too worried about until I saw the pre-cut glass > roses and other designs at the craft store next to the Vicky Payne mosaic > grout and mosaic molds... The glass is cut with water jets and looks great-- > probably Spectrum. Now not only can "anybody" do it, but they can even make > the stained glass design versions too... not just glass nuggets, etc. I just > hope that people get tired of seeing the same pink glass rose everywhere and > come back to buying from the pros! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 01:24:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:29:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Rita Tidwell" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: dumb tricks Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.1309.0> References: <<1999Jun9.12635.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Everybody and his uncle seems to be talking today so I though I would add to the mayhem! I get my solder in straight sticks about 24" long. I've seen it on dinky reels but never in bottles! Is this something else I am denied simply because I live in Blighty? Explain please! Best regards BtB > I find myself trying to put the iron in the solder bottle! > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 01:39:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Bob Duchesneau" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:33:42 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.13342.0> References: <<1999Jun9.55852.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello That's pretty macho - drinking flux flavoured coffee! Mind you I have done it with a paint brush. It brings a degree of consternation to people you meet when you smile at them with blue teeth! Best regards BtB > >>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into > their > coffee cup or iron stand?<< > I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................ Bob > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 01:45:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Linda Jo Letscher , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: dumb things... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:29:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.202927.0> References: <<1999Jun9.185918.0>> Precedence: bulk The end of January, I was making lots and lots of winged hearts for Valentines day. I had about 30 with 3 different sizes, and different glasses..all laid out in my workshop ready to solder. My mother was visiting and she and my husband walked through my workshop. My husband decided it would be comical to play Mr Potato head and see how long it would take me to put it back together, as if all parts were interchangable. Needless to say I was *slightly* irritated. I made it very clear after that, that *no one* was to *touch* ANYthing in my shop! (he also opened a dog food bag with my foil shears, they have never been the same) T Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 05:43:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:52:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.225236.0> References: <<1999Jun9.185542.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk "When pigs fly" is the time when I'd try that lamp, only then, so hopefully I'm safe. C Tombro Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Christie, > Advice taken, if it is a real bear for you, then I know I would never ever > take it on. I don't have the urge at this time in my life to do a shade > anyhow, but should I the pigs won't be it. Thanks!! > Linda Jo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christie A. Wood > To: Bungi > Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... > > >Message text written by Shirley Balloch > >>I have never been so miserable making a stained glass piece > >> before. Gave me great respect for those of you who make windows, let > >> alone earn(and you truely do earn it) your living at it.< > > > >Thanks for the kudos, but we sometimes also have the > >devil of a time with certain projects. Right now my nemisis > >is a 22" Wordon lampshade pattern called "4 Little Pigs". > >If anyone is remotely thinking about doing this pattern - = > > > >DON'T. You would think it's got 4 pigs in the lampshade. > >Wrong. What they don't tell you is you have to repeat the > >pattern to make it on the 22" form. So it's acutally 8 little > >pigs. And I do mean LITTLE....as in pieces so tiny you > >have to use tweezers to handle them. Throw this pattern > >away. My dumb thing is I quoted & accepted the contract > >to do this lampshade based on my perception of the > >intricacy involved. Instead, it's become my nightmare! > > > >Christie Wood > >Art Glass Ensembles > >http://www.igga.org/wood/ > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 05:58:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: dumb things... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:17:29 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.61729.0> References: <<1999Jun9.202927.0>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Hi, All cracking up at shared dumb stuff, and thought I'd share with you the "Murphy's Law of Stained Glass", sent out by my supplier with their catalogue. Apologies if you've heard them MURPHY'S LAW OF STAINED GLASS Murphy's original Law: anything than can go wrong, will Solder Law: Hot Solder looks exactly like cold solder Breakage Law The number of bad breaks you get is directly proportional to the price of the glass Breakage Law 99 The number of bad breaks is in opposite proportion to the amount of glass on hand Breakage Law 999: The number of bad breaks is proportional to the distance from your Supplier Law of Studio Geometry Any horizontal surface is soon piled up At the most difficult (or messiest) point in construction of any project, the phone will ring. The moment your hands touch lead, flux or patina, extreme hunger pains will commence. Everyone knows someone who does glass.... cheaper. One lead joint will always be left unsoldered Replacement Law: The moment you replace a lost tool with a new one, you will find the original Installation Law: The time required to install is proportional to the number of people watching There is no such thing as a clean Stained Glass Window The number of people you didn't know were listening is proportional to the severity of the swear word used. Everything takes longer than you think Deadlines are always closer than you thought Installation Law 99: The tool you desperately need is back at the Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 07:13:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: Kathy Mather To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:46:08 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.12468.0> Precedence: bulk >glass >bits in the eye are fun too. >Dee Isn't this the truth! I made one score the other night, forgot to put on the old safty glasses, and of course, I got a piece of glass in my eye. What a pain, in more ways then one. Bet I don't forget the glasses for a while. Kathy >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 07:28:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:58:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:41:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.44136.0> Precedence: bulk At the very least it will be expected in her Glass Visions Presentation. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Sodt [mailto:kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 11:36 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique??? The expert will soon be winging her way westward---maybe it will be included in the workshops...... ; - ) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 07:45:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:22:41 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.132241.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/9/99 10:53:04 AM, ABBIE23875@prodigy.net writes: >Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away >with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!! Not on purpose........ but it never ceases to amaze me *how long* a glob of solder stays hot! Lemme see...... the dumbest thing I ever did was to absent-mindedly "choke up" on my iron the third or fourth time I ever soldered. That cured me of the "pencil grip" permanently! The second dumbest thing I ever did was to bend down to pick up something off the floor and run smack into the jagged broken skirt of a fruit lamp that was hanging in the corner of the shop awaiting repair. Fortunately (1) the lamp stayed put, only one piece fell out and that was one of the broken ones anyway, and (2) the chunk it took out of my forehead managed to miss my hairline and the flap of skin was still attached, so I was able to bandage it up, cover it with a tight-fitting baseball hat, and keep working. (I also got out a bunch of bubble wrap and masking tape and wrapped up the broken edge of the lamp in case I decide to get klutzy again. There's more than one way to use your head!) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 08:08:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: string-good thing about being poor Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:22:46 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.132246.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/8/99 12:44:01 PM, cpjaram@7cities.net writes: >I have all >summer off to play glass...because I am an under-paid teacher! Yeah, but lest anyone forget: all you school teachers out there *earn* that summer off by all those outside-of-school hours nobody thinks about....... planning lessons, grading papers, being advisors for extracurricular activities, etc. etc. Not to mention putting up with everybody's little monsters - oops, I mean angels - no, I think I got it right the first time - day after day! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 08:31:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG signs, was Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:22:39 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.132239.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/8/99 1:12:18 PM, RCall10713@cs.com writes: >If you are grumpy, oppositional, difficult, or just plain ornery, >there will be a $50.00 charge for putting up with you. A couple of my favorites, both of which happen to come from motor-vehicle repair places........ >From my local auto mechanic, who's the greatest: Labor $20/hour If you watch $30/hour If you help $40/hour If you worked on it first $50/hour >From the folks who service our motor scooter (yep, it's still alive and well and showing up regularly in Skippack with a bucket of tools on the back rack), one that goes something like this, I don't remember exactly, since it's been a while: Engine repair labor rates: ping-ping-ping $50 tink-tink-tink $75 pop-pop-pop $100 clunk-thud-clunk $300 Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 09:01:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: RE: Dumb things I have done... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:22:44 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.132244.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/9/99 3:10:08 PM, daver!one.net!kleeman@aol.com writes: >and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into >their coffee cup or iron stand? I've been well-trained never to set anything edible or drinkable on the work table, and 99+% of the time I actually remember not to do it. But I have been known to come awfully close to dipping my flux brush in the iron stand, or the push-pin bottle, or the hole in the middle of the extra spool of solder, or anything else that's handy and has a round hole in the top. So far I've always managed to catch myself in time though! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 09:35:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:42:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: soldering with gloves Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:51:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.35113.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wear latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece of hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove, probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole idea is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:) Am I wrong? Monica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 09:54:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.6524.0> References: <<199906092343.QAA19901@mimas.island.net>> Precedence: bulk seaspray@island.net wrote: > > Washed off a 150 piece panel which contained over a dozen flowers, each with > 5 petals. Forgot to give the pen time to dry before washing. Spread them > all out to dry. This was at 0130 hr. When I got up and went back to the > project...all the numbers had been washed off. Jigsaw puzzles anyone?? > > C. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: > http://come.to/The_E-Tour > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's why for things like that it's best to foil as you go along. it should be fun... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 10:11:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:02:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: Dumb things Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:07:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.3721.0> Precedence: bulk I had a full sheet of clear water glass, cut in half for ease of storing. Temporarily leaned them up against the front of a chair while I was doing something else. A few minutes later, obviously forgetting it was there and since it was clear I didn't see it, I sat down in the chair. The chair rocked forward a little bit and the glass was under my legs. It didn't just break--it EXPLODED all over the room in tiny fragments. Every inch of the sheet broke into millions of pieces--there wasn't a usable inch left. All I can say is "thank goodness I was wearing jeans and not shorts--I'd probably have bled to death otherwise." Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 11:16:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: dumb things... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:25:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990610082503.00964100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun9.185918.0>> Precedence: bulk At 01:29 AM 6/10/99 -0500, Suzanne Gunn wrote: > >My mother was visiting and she and my husband walked through my >workshop. My husband decided it would be comical to play Mr Potato head >and see how long it would take me to put it back together, as if all >parts were interchangable. > >Needless to say I was *slightly* irritated. I made it very clear after >that, that *no one* was to *touch* ANYthing in my shop! (he also opened >a dog food bag with my foil shears, they have never been the same) > >T Suzanne My wife used my shears to try to cut a piece of corrugated cardboard and then made it worse by complaining that I had bought lousy scissors! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 11:39:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:29:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: dumb things... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:28:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.12839.0> References: <<1999Jun11.61729.0>> Precedence: bulk ktsplash wrote: > Hi, All > cracking up at shared dumb stuff, and thought I'd share with you the > "Murphy's Law of Stained Glass", sent out by my supplier with their > catalogue. Apologies if you've heard them > > MURPHY'S LAW OF STAINED GLASS > > Murphy's original Law: > anything than can go wrong, will > > Solder Law: > Hot Solder looks exactly like cold solder > > Breakage Law > The number of bad breaks you get is directly proportional to the price of > the glass > > Breakage Law 99 > The number of bad breaks is in opposite proportion to the amount of glass on > hand > > Breakage Law 999: > The number of bad breaks is proportional to the distance from your Supplier > > Law of Studio Geometry > Any horizontal surface is soon piled up > At the most difficult (or messiest) point in construction of any project, > the phone will ring. > The moment your hands touch lead, flux or patina, extreme hunger pains will > commence. > Everyone knows someone who does glass.... cheaper. > One lead joint will always be left unsoldered > > Replacement Law: > The moment you replace a lost tool with a new one, you will find the > original > > Installation Law: > The time required to install is proportional to the number of people > watching > There is no such thing as a clean Stained Glass Window > The number of people you didn't know were listening is proportional to the > severity of the swear word used. > Everything takes longer than you think > Deadlines are always closer than you thought > > Installation Law 99: > The tool you desperately need is back at the Studio Thanks for posting this .... GREAT post. Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 11:56:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dialnet.net!rognstad From: rognstad@dialnet.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.54631.0> References: <<375FDCDB.5961@dialnet.net>> Organization: Marvin's Brain Precedence: bulk > Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > Lemme see...... the dumbest thing I ever did was to absent-mindedly "choke > up" on my iron the third or fourth time I ever soldered. That cured me of the > "pencil grip" permanently! > > > Sparks > At least you learned your lesson. When I draw, I usually hold the pencil under my palm a couple of inches from the point. When I need extra control for details, I'll choke up to a writing grip. I'm still a novice at stained glass and I can get pretty intent on that solder line. Next thing I know I'm letting go of the iron pretty fast. J.D. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 12:09:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: E at Glass Visions? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:25:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199906101624.MAA03766@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > At the very least it will be expected in her Glass Visions > Presentation. It's my understanding she's not scheduled to make a presentation during Glass Visions. She's just there as an honored guest. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 12:27:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:25:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: dumb things... Date: Wed, 09 Jun 99 22:17:47 Message-ID: <199906101624.KAA22251@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Ha! When I started my most recent relationship (going on 8 yrs now) I made it VERY PLAIN that tools or chemicals or ANYTHING ELSE found in the shop area was not to be used without permission.. I must admit that, having been caught only 2 times initially with those 'interesting curved pliers' he now asks permission, and uses whatever it is carefully, with full knowledge he may have to replace it.. It's worked out! and it's hilarious to hear him give the 'shop tour'! Candy >The end of January, I was making lots and lots of winged hearts for >Valentines day. I had about 30 with 3 different sizes, and different >glasses..all laid out in my workshop ready to solder. > >My mother was visiting and she and my husband walked through my >workshop. My husband decided it would be comical to play Mr Potato head >and see how long it would take me to put it back together, as if all >parts were interchangable. > >Needless to say I was *slightly* irritated. I made it very clear after >that, that *no one* was to *touch* ANYthing in my shop! (he also opened >a dog food bag with my foil shears, they have never been the same) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 12:42:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: dumb things Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:56:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.45618.0> Precedence: bulk My friend was turning fifty last May and I wanted to make her a fused fish platter. However, I got distracted and overfired. The piece was boiling with bubbles when I peaked in...so I panic-ed, and flash vented. Then thinking back on it, I probably over flash vented and took the temp down too fast. I didn't sleep that night thinking how I ruined this platter. Woke up at 5:30 am and decided to go out to the shop and see what was left. It looked perfect! Brought it in, and as everyone rose I showed it off. I was so pleased. I washed it off. Then I rested it in a window to admire. The window faced slightly north east. As the sun rose, the glass platter exploded right in the window sill. What is the rule on thermo-shocking newly fused pieces...??? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 12:59:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:44:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 8 little piggies Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:04:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.5439.0> Precedence: bulk I am working on a Eschar (sp?) tessellation of butterflies? Because of the number of small pieces and the preciseness of the fitting, I seem to be able to work on this for about 2 hours at a time! I really feel like quitting and chucking it out as a stupid idea, or putting it away and forgetting it on purpose. How does one keep on moving on a project that you have lost patience for, have lost the love of, and have the desire to forget? It does help to know that out there someone is finishing the 8 little piggies that are dancing around a lampshade! Misery loves company! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 13:12:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usa.net!glassarts From: Jennifer Frisbee To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [soldering with gloves] Date: 10 Jun 99 13:02:14 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.17214.0> Precedence: bulk About gloves - I've been wanting to try golf gloves or something similar - leather, with= good grip and fit. Has anyone tried anything like this when soldering? I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wea= r latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece o= f hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove, probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole id= ea is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:= ) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 13:16:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.33115.0> Precedence: bulk Low standards among friends are OK - they understand and they find our human foibles funny. Low standards displayed for anyone who walks into the shop is just plain dumb. Who knows who the next person through the door will be and whether they will find that "funny" sign amusing or insulting. So perhaps the question is: which category does bungi fall into? I consider a whole pile of you my friends even though we have never met. However, there are apparently another 350 lurkers out there in bungi land who I have only heard from once or twice (or not at all) and who I know nothing about. Now as to soldering in the buff: I don't find it offensive, but just the thought makes me cringe in pain. I am real clumsy and I am just visualizing what happens when I hit that spot I over-fluxed and the hot solder and flux splatters in every direction. Or when I lean forward against the table where that sharp sliver of glass has been lying there waiting for just this opportunity. Just thinking about it right now and I realize my knees are crossed tightly. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Rick To: rrk ; glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!! >I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and >offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who >didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about >lower standards? >Rick > >--- rrk wrote: >> Linda Jo Letscher wrote: >> >> > Liz >> > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage >> door closed? :-) >> >> Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just >> fine. >> >> BTW, what was that address? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: >> glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: >> glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > >=== >http://home.fuse.net/crafts > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 13:38:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: shigbee@stmassociates.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dumb things Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:43:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.174320.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/10/99 12:12:36 PM Central Daylight Time, shigbee@stmassociates.com writes: << It didn't just break--it EXPLODED all over the room in tiny fragments. Every inch of the sheet broke into millions of pieces--there wasn't a usable inch left. All I can say is "thank goodness I was wearing jeans and not shorts--I'd probably have bled to death otherwise." >> Shari, that is scary. The dumbest thing I ever did was go into the front hall (we have never used the front door....I think the saying Backdoor guest originated at my house) where I had a quarter or half sheet of glass leaning in a laundry basket; needless to say I forgot it was there and cut my knee pretty good, knee required five stitches. However, I have received little cuts from working with glass that actually have been more painful. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 13:47:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Shari Higbee" , Subject: Re: Dumb things Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.103140.0> Precedence: bulk Shari, Oh horrors. Good grief, you are so VERY lucky you wern't killed. Gee.... Glad you made it through. Amazing that the glass just shattered in small pieces which is what probably saved you. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee To: Bungi Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 1:16 PM Subject: re: Dumb things >I had a full sheet of clear water glass, cut in half for ease of storing. >Temporarily leaned them up against the front of a chair while I was doing >something else. A few minutes later, obviously forgetting it was there and >since it was clear I didn't see it, I sat down in the chair. The chair >rocked forward a little bit and the glass was under my legs. It didn't just >break--it EXPLODED all over the room in tiny fragments. Every inch of the >sheet broke into millions of pieces--there wasn't a usable inch left. All I >can say is "thank goodness I was wearing jeans and not shorts--I'd probably >have bled to death otherwise." > >Shari in SLC > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 14:09:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: ktsplash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: dumb things... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:16:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.81659.0> References: <<1999Jun11.61729.0>> Precedence: bulk > The number of people you didn't know were listening is proportional to the > severity of the swear word used. Iv'e been listening to *alot* of audio books recently while working in my shop. Funny how you dont think of books as rated...and words seem to be more potent out loud than when read. Ive been very aware of this suddenly when one of the kids opens the door to my shop...Im finding that the people in my books dont see them come in. Even though they arent particulary sexy novels the characters **always** seem to be having very steamy sexual experiences *Everytime* one of the kids opens the door! My 9 yr old, and our 13 yr old friend, have possibly learned a thing or two recently! Currently, Im listening to "how Stella got her groove back" which is read by the author. Stella likes to swear..but she also makes me laugh. T Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 15:35:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: string Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.4421.0> Precedence: bulk I am currently using "Gloves in a Bottle". I used to use a brand available from a nearby safety equipment supplier. But now this "Gloves in a Bottle" stuff is available at just about every building supply store around, it's cheaper, and the specifications seem to say it is exactly the same stuff. I don't trust a barrier cream for everything though. For more dangerous chemicals I buy boxes of vinyl or latex gloves - 100 gloves for $13.95 cdn. The vinyl has less risk of developing a future allergy (latex allergies seem to be epidemic right now), but only latex works with acetones or acids. The gloves don't last long but when your working with chemicals that is exactly the idea - you should throw them away once they are contaminated from any particular chemical anyway. With reusable cotton glove liners (3pr. = $2.95 cdn.), they are actually fairly comfortable too. All are available from Lee Valley Tools catalogue and probably just about any safety supply store. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Rita Tidwell Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 10:47 PM Subject: Re: string >> I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I >> think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. > > >Would you mind recommending one to the rest of us... I *try* to wear >gloves..but I have really short fingers, and end up burning the tips >when I am soldering edges. > >Then I take the glove off, and end up with flux all over me, and its >really hard to get off as I imagine you know. >Ok...now just remembered another dumb thing I do...I dont throw the >glove away...(I wash the flux off) then later I grab a glove not >realising it is one with a little burn hole in the tip...and stick it in >a dish of patina...there are always nicks etc....on my fingers, so all >of a sudden that finger will start burning..and I realise I am getting >patina in a cut. My blood is probably toxic. Come to think of it, >maybe that is why that finger is so red and sore/swollen looking. > >T Suz >-- >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 15:57:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:41:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: soldering with gloves Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:37:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.5373.0> Precedence: bulk Another of the very good reasons I wear cotton liners under the gloves. -----Original Message----- From: Monica To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:45 AM Subject: soldering with gloves >Hi Everyone, > >I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wear >latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece of >hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove, >probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole idea >is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:) >Am I wrong? >Monica > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 15:59:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: E at Glass Visions? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:25:03 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199906101928.OAA16477@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk > At the very least it will be expected in her Glass Visions > Presentation. It's my understanding she's not scheduled to make a presentation during Glass Visions. She's just there as an honored guest. Albert I think at the very least they should put her in a glass bubble like an animated museum exhibit: "traditional stained glass artist at work" (soldering nude in the garden). Or suspend her in a go-go dancer cage where we can all pass by and gawk at her! (I'm in trouble now.... ; - ) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 16:19:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 8 little piggies Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:25:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.122537.0> References: <<1999Jun10.5439.0>> Precedence: bulk Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > I am working on a Eschar (sp?) tessellation of butterflies? Because of the > number of small pieces and the preciseness of the fitting, I seem to be able > to work on this for about 2 hours at a time! I really feel like quitting > and chucking it out as a stupid idea, or putting it away and forgetting it > on purpose. How does one keep on moving on a project that you have lost > patience for, have lost the love of, and have the desire to forget? It does > help to know that out there someone is finishing the 8 little piggies that > are dancing around a lampshade! Misery loves company! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the way i work is simple: do as much as you can, and if you get tired, stop. and when doing it, don't look at the end; instead look at one piece at a time. cut one now so you don't have to do it later. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 17:38:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.13649.0> References: <<375EF230.2CDECACD@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk Oh, dear, rumors.... I want you all to know that Pierre is loyal and monogamous, and that Emeraldine knows more ways to use a glass cutter than most of us have ever imagined. Dorothy Suzanne Gunn wrote: > I think E and P have it goin on! ;o) > > Suzanne > > Family Account wrote: > > > > Yes, Suzanne, and I hear that Emeraldine will be keeping a close eye on > > Pierre...not that he is normally tempted to stray, but.... > > > > Dorothy > > > > Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > > > Havent you heard???? She's coming to the USA!!! :o) > > > > > > Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 17:56:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dumbest thing Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:12:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.131248.0> Precedence: bulk Being serious now... I think this thread is a good time to remind ourselves that we have to be careful in creating beauty. It's so easy to become careless or inattentive or treat it all as routine. So raise your right hand: I pledge to be SAFE this week. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 19:02:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" , "Bungi" Subject: re: Re: string Date: 10 Jun 99 18:56:29 -0500 Message-ID: <199906102253.SAA07925@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk I use nitrile gloves. They're blue and fit just like a second skin. You can really feel with them. They are about $13 a box and I got mine from Houston SG. But I know some industrial supply houses carry them, too. Made by Best. Nadine > ** Original Subject: Re: string > ** Original Sender: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" > ** Original Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:42:01 -0700 > ** Original Message follows... > > I am currently using "Gloves in a Bottle". I used to use a brand available > from a nearby safety equipment supplier. But now this "Gloves in a Bottle" > stuff is available at just about every building supply store around, it's > cheaper, and the specifications seem to say it is exactly the same stuff. > > I don't trust a barrier cream for everything though. For more dangerous > chemicals I buy boxes of vinyl or latex gloves - 100 gloves for $13.95 cdn. > The vinyl has less risk of developing a future allergy (latex allergies seem > to be epidemic right now), but only latex works with acetones or acids. The > gloves don't last long but when your working with chemicals that is exactly > the idea - you should throw them away once they are contaminated from any > particular chemical anyway. With reusable cotton glove liners (3pr. = $2.95 > cdn.), they are actually fairly comfortable too. All are available from Lee > Valley Tools catalogue and probably just about any safety supply store. > > -----Original Message-----From: Suzanne Gunn > To: Rita Tidwell > Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: string > > > >> I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I > >> think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. > > > > > >Would you mind recommending one to the rest of us... I *try* to wear > >gloves..but I have really short fingers, and end up burning the tips > >when I am soldering edges. > > > >Then I take the glove off, and end up with flux all over me, and its > >really hard to get off as I imagine you know. > >Ok...now just remembered another dumb thing I do...I dont throw the > >glove away...(I wash the flux off) then later I grab a glove not > >realising it is one with a little burn hole in the tip...and stick it in > >a dish of patina...there are always nicks etc....on my fingers, so all > >of a sudden that finger will start burning..and I realise I am getting > >patina in a cut. My blood is probably toxic. Come to think of it, > >maybe that is why that finger is so red and sore/swollen looking. > > > >T Suz > >-- > >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > > > ----Harvey MacKay > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 19:04:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: HiimLaura@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dumb things.... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:01:14 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun10.23114.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/9/99 11:58:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HiimLaura@aol.com writes: << Here's a dumb thing I hate: Accidentally using the wrong type of foil - uggg >> I agree on that, too, Laura, although I have certainly dropped the flux brush in strange places, and once lifted the soldering iron near my face to "feel if it was hot enough", when the weight of it tipped toward me and burned my lip. That was a tough one to explain! But one of my many time-consuming errors was soldering in a copper-backed foiled piece of glass in a large panel of clear textures, all black-backed. All beaded, neat, cleaned, polished, then I held it up - the copper jumped out, and I knew the customer would not be happy - had to cut it out, unsolder, and do it over. Of course, it was being installed the next morning. Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 19:16:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 8 little piggies Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:05:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.15558.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" >How does one keep on moving on a project that you have lost patience for, have lost the love of, and have the desire to forget? It does help to know that out there someone is finishing the 8 little piggies tha= t are dancing around a lampshade! Misery loves company! < Oh man... I'm the piggy woman. I hate that thing! I must confess that I've been working on this &^%$*& lampshade for about a year since I can't bring myself to work on it often. But when I do, I devote an entire day to it. Tomorrow, it's piggy time after I finish the second lead window restoration project. It helps if you publically talk about an obnoxious project with your friends, so as to keep it in the forefront of your conscience. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 20:46:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Zeusluvr From: Zeusluvr@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chicago Info Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:14:54 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.01454.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Friends, I am lokking for some information on addresses for the Chicago Art Glass Co, and also Youghiogheny Factory. My husband and I are planning a trip to Chicago in July and would like to be able to visit these factories. I am always amazed at the information that is out here for the asking and also just for picking up without asking. This is a great service and I enjoy it thoroughly. Thanks in advance for any info you may be able to provide. Also if there is any great places to check out stained glass I would be interested in that also.. Thanks again for your help. Zeusluvr (Susie Smith) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 21:11:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG SIGNS Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:22:29 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.02229.0> Precedence: bulk This is one of the signs posted in my studio: Labor rates $20/hour If you watch $30/hour If you help $40/hour If you laugh $75/hour Luanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 21:27:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!wmh From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Dumb things we have done. Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:55:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990610205544.006b230c@scci.net> References: <<1999Jun8.51056.0>> Precedence: bulk When I first started taking glass classes, I was trying to cut corners by making do without certain tools until I got the next paycheck and could pick out the newest addition to my menagerie. I made do without an eye shield for my grinder until one afternoon I ground a ton of pieces (wasn't cutting really well yet either) and I realized I had little glass slivers all over my face. When I went to get the slivers off, I used a washcloth and ended up with the most interesting complextion. I looked like some strange villian out of a Batman movie. I'll never grind again without protection. Luckily, I didn't get anything in my eyes! Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 21:40:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!wmh From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: San Diego Slumping molds-Melissa Hall Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990610204526.006b0358@scci.net> References: <<1999Jun7.15143.0>> Precedence: bulk Sorry I'm getting back to you so late, but thanks a bunch for the overview. That was very educational. Of course, I'm seeing that there are other addictive glass possibilities out there! I totally agree with you about having a Thomas Eddison attitude. I've learned the most from the mistakes I've made along the way. Thanks again, Melissa At 07:51 AM 6/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >Melissa, I use everything that will work. > >If it is a one shot mold, I use plaster of paris. My girlfriend's husband >owns a hardware store, so get the builders plaster of paris....it is >smoother and doesn't set up as fast...don't ask me what the chemical or >process difference, but if you use Hobby Lobby's plaster, it seems rough and >grainy after using this stuff. > >If it is a more permanent mold, I use plain ol' ceramic clay, I save my old >shelf paper and shred it into the clay for more stability (with a respirator >on). I also have used refractory plaster....but clay is cheap and I am only >a hobbiest, so expense is sometimes a consideration. > >But you can use anything from stainless steel bowls and spoons. Ceramic >bisque, calcium carbonate, firing bricks, refractory boards...anything that >can stand the heat and you can get the glass to melt over without sticking. > >For the toads, I will probably make a couple of clay molds, so that the >toads will have that slightly humped body, and hang the feet over the edge >so that they will touch the shelf, level and flat. For the lizard, I will >cut a piece of refractory board. The lizards will be flatter, and low to >the ground. Anyway, I will experiment until I get something that will works >consistently. > >There are books on making molds. I learned some from Gil Reynolds and Bruce >Lundstrom's books on fusing and slumping, but now I have seen books on just >mold making. A friend of mine lent me a book on patte de verre, and it had >even more examples of mold making. > >If you are going to start fusing and slumping, my advise is to have a >"Thomas Edison" attitude. He had to try 100 different materials before he >came up with the filament for the light bulb. When asked if he got >frustrated, he simply replied, "No because I learned 100 things!" In the >class I took in Las Vegas this spring, the instructor said she made 20 >attempts before she successfully made a calla lilly that looked realistic. >So any mold I make that does not come out just right, I just tell myself I >am learning. I have a feeling I will make a few lizards and toads before I >get one that I like. (I wonder if this is like the princess who kissed a >bunch of toads, before she found her prince?) As a teacher, I think this >process of trying, failing, and learning is good for me, it constantly >reminds me of what my students go through trying to learn everyday. And >that some of the things that I really learned, came from failure not >success. (I am beginning to sound too much like a motivational >speaker...yuk! I will put down my pom-poms and go water the flowers.) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 10 22:56:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 8 little piggies -Christie Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:34:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.15342.0> Precedence: bulk You simply must post after each time you do work on it. We could consider this a soap opera. Too bad we can't play really bad dramatic organ music at the end of each post! Will she finish? or will she have pork chops for supper? I did put in my two hours this afternoon, thanks to you. Then I took everyone's advice and started on some vases for my dresser to put my hairspray, etc. in. I have one cut out...and that will give me something to look forward to after my two hours of penance, tomorrow. (Sister Joseph Carmel use to tell us penance comes in many forms. I am sure this project is a walk in humility for me!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 00:41:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Smartest thing you've ever done... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:09:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.4938.0> Precedence: bulk Okay everybody, I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done (concerning stained glass, of course!). I, for one, have to give this one some thought... Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 05:10:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Smartest thing you've ever done... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:09:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.4938.0> Precedence: bulk Okay everybody, I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done (concerning stained glass, of course!). I, for one, have to give this one some thought... Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 05:19:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [soldering with gloves] Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:50:05 -0700 Message-ID: <199906110350.UAA13927@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >About gloves - > >I've been wanting to try golf gloves or something similar - leather, with= > good >grip and fit. Has anyone tried anything like this when soldering? > >I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wea= >r >latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece o= >f >hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove, >probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole id= >ea >is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:= Actually I've found the latex to have enough of an insulating effect that I can pick up pieces that are still quite hot. I also have enough time to shake off the blob if I drop molten solder onto my hand by accident that although I feel the heat there's no mark when I remove the glove. Of course the REAL problem then comes when I'm just "doing one quick suncatcher" and don't take the time to put gloves on for a couple of minutes of soldering...I invariably try and hold the glass while it's still too hot, drop the glass...and... C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 05:29:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chicago Info Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:18:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.141858.0> Precedence: bulk You might want to try looking for Chicago Art Glass in WISCONSIN........ caginfo@chicagoartglass.com Yogo is in Connesville, PA. weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 05:39:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: string Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.175956.0> References: <<1999Jun10.4421.0>> Precedence: bulk > The > gloves don't last long but when your working with chemicals that is >exactly the idea - you should throw them away once they are >contaminated from >any particular chemical anyway. Why ? What chemicals are *you* talking about here? The chemicals I use that I wear gloves for are flux and patina. I wash my hands with soap and water with the gloves *on* then hang them to dry. I reuse them until I get holes in them..or rip a finger off. That is....when I actually use them. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 05:49:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: searching for pattern Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:01:07 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.417.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I could find a simple pattern of a sewing machine or something else having to do with sewing like a needle and spools of thread? I'd like to make something as a gift for a sewing friend. Thanks! Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 05:57:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Color Test Try This One! Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:33:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun10.14334.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Artists/MM LTD. Precedence: bulk Hi all, hope everyone is doing well this evening. For quite an interesting time take the color/personality test at: http://www.colorquiz.com/ My results were everything that is true in my self. Very weird. Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.stainedglassartists.com/MM_Ltd.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 09:28:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things we have done. Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.5743.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19990610205544.006b230c@scci.net>> Precedence: bulk Melissa Hall wrote: > > When I first started taking glass classes, I was trying to cut corners by > making do without certain tools until I got the next paycheck and could > pick out the newest addition to my menagerie. I made do without an eye > shield for my grinder until one afternoon I ground a ton of pieces (wasn't > cutting really well yet either) and I realized I had little glass slivers > all over my face. When I went to get the slivers off, I used a washcloth > and ended up with the most interesting complextion. I looked like some > strange villian out of a Batman movie. I'll never grind again without > protection. Luckily, I didn't get anything in my eyes! > > Melissa > > ---- aren't those things fun! usually i wind up dusting them off with my hands. i would have them on my arms and face, and wind up with all sorts of scratches. but the real deciding point for putting in the shield was when i kept getting crunchy particles in my mouth. or when the light it my face in that certain way, and all the irridecsent flecks lit up and made me look like i was visisted by a fairy that day. ...umm pixie dust, from a little flying fairy, nothing else.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 09:37:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Smartest thing you've ever done... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990611073839.00961e30@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun11.4938.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:09 AM 6/11/99 EDT, Laura wrote: > >Okay everybody, > >I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done >(concerning stained glass, of course!). I, for one, have to give this one >some thought... > >Laura The smartest thing I ever did was to get involved with glass. It's changed my life for the better in many ways. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 09:50:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: soldering w/gloves Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:25:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.22554.0> Precedence: bulk I try to remember to wear the latex gloves--especially when grinding. That's when I really eat up my fingers. (My husband does construction work and my hands are rougher than his...) But my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is not a good thing to do to motors. I agree with ... was it Dorothy?... it's time I focus on safety issues again for awhile! Either that or just quit doing glass in my sleep. :-) Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 09:59:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Desoldering Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:12:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.141251.0> Precedence: bulk >It's called (Over Here) de-soldering web; it's fine strands of copper >wire plaited together in a length which is then coiled up . I first >It works like a kind of blotting paper, literally soaking up excess >solder in amongst the fine strands of copper wire. >Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK You can make your own solder wick if you have any old television co-ax cable available. You strip off the outer braid of the cable,flux that then do the same thing as with the commercial stuff to soak up the solder. Brandon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 10:17:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Smartest thing you've ever done... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:25:27 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.122527.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/11/99 3:42:47 AM, HiimLaura@aol.com writes: >I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done >(concerning stained glass, of course!) That one's easy. Saying, "Yeah, sure, why not?" when Christie called and asked me to help out with her Xmas rush a couple of years ago. Been gettin' paid to play ever since! A couple of other good ones: Putting my grinder in an old aquarium turned on its side, and (most recently) discovering that laying a small fluorescent light face down on top of the resulting enclosure gives terrific illumination with *no* pesky reflections Keeping all my glass tools in a 5-gallon bucket fitted with one of those skillion-pocket tool caddy things...... it's the *real* portable glass shop! Sparks (Have tools, will travel...........) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 10:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Please read: Worm.ExploreZip (safe to read) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:47:06 Message-ID: <199906111353.HAA10116@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk dragged from another email list... but relevant to those of you who run WinDoze.. Candy> I hadn't seen anyone post this yet so.... http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/worm.explore.zip.html Worm.ExploreZip contains a very malicious payload. Worm.ExploreZip utilizes Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Express, and Microsoft Exchange to mail itself out by replying to unread messages in your Inbox. The payload of the worm will destroy any file with the extension .h, .c, .cpp, .asm, .doc, .ppt, or .xls on your hard drive(s), as well as any mapped drives, each time it is executed. The worm will also search the mapped drives for Windows installations and copy itself to the Windows directory, and then modify the WIN.INI file. This will infect systems without e-mail clients. This continues to occur until the worm is removed. You may receive this worm as a file attachment named "zipped_files.exe". When run, this executable will copy itself to your Windows System directory with the filename "Explore.exe", or your Windows directory with the filename "_setup.exe". The worm modifies your WIN.INI or registry such that the "Explore.exe" file is executed each time you start Windows. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 10:33:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: blade repair Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:09:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.1959.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi group, I just broke my Diamond 1000 band saw blade. When I broke the first one, I was given an address of a guy in Florida that repairs them for $25. I put the address away in a safe place and I can't remember where that safe place is. Does anyone know this guy and his address, or better yet does anyone know someone on the west coast who repairs band saw blades? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 10:49:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:34:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chicago Info Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:15:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.41555.0> Precedence: bulk I can help you with the Youghiogheny Factory - check out : http://www.stainedglassbiz.com and follow the Youghiogheny link. Here is an excerpt for the direction: "Youghiogheny Station is located at 900 West Crawford Avenue in downtown Connellsville, PA. Minutes from the scenic Yough River Trail, it is easily accessible by foot, bike, or car. The trail, rated as one of the best in the world, offers historical sites, resorts, bed and breakfasts, along with nature's beauty. 30 minutes from Fallingwater, Seven Springs, Nemacolin Woodlands, Greensburg, and Pittsburgh. The hours for The Station are as follows: Stained Glass Class - call for schedule (724) 628-0332 The Chief's Gallery - M-T-W-F-Sa, 10:00AM - 5:00PM, Thursdays 10:00AM - 7:00PM, Sunday 12:00PM - 4:00PM The Glass Showroom - M-T-W-F-Sa, 10:00AM - 5:00PM, Thursdays 10:00AM - 7:00PM, Sunday 12:00PM - 4:00PM " It's in Connelsville, PA, about an hour from Pittsburgh. Another place you should visit while you're at Yough is Frank Lloyd Wright's masterpiece of architecture: Fallingwater. Not a whole lot of std. glass but definitely worth seeing. Very close to Yough. Enjoy! Dany http://www.city-net.com/~dany Daniela Birkelbach Kennebec, Inc. Custom Software Development Internet Solutions http://www.kennebec-inc.com -----Original Message----- From: Zeusluvr@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Chicago Info >Hi Friends, I am lokking for some information on addresses for the Chicago >Art Glass Co, and also Youghiogheny Factory. My husband and I are planning a >trip to Chicago in July and would like to be able to visit these factories. >I am always amazed at the information that is out here for the asking and >also just for picking up without asking. This is a great service and I enjoy >it thoroughly. >Thanks in advance for any info you may be able to provide. Also if there is >any great places to check out stained glass I would be interested in that >also.. > > >Thanks again for your help. >Zeusluvr (Susie Smith) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 11:20:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Laura" , "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Smartest thing you've ever done... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:45:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.154523.0> References: <<1999Jun11.4938.0>> Precedence: bulk Ok --- The smartest thing Ihave ever done in relation to glass was getting involved at all! I've had many hobbies in my time but glass has lasted the longest by far! It appeals as much to the technician in me as it does the repressed 'artist'. No hobby has ever given me so much satisfaction! There are even some incoming pennies so it is largly self funding! I can also say that I have met some extremely interesting and nice people too. Certainly stimulating! In terms of actually doing something smart intentionally then I will have to have a hard think as to whether I have ever done so!!!! BtB > > > I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done > (concerning stained glass, of course!). I, for one, have to give this one > some thought... > > Laura > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 11:35:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Family Account' , 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:34:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.73439.0> Precedence: bulk And is Emeraldine going to share any of these new ways to use a glass cutter? After all isn't the purposes of Bungi sharing knowledge and learning new skills. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Family Account [mailto:shad@mail2.nai.net] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:07 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Oh, dear, rumors.... I want you all to know that Pierre is loyal and monogamous, and that Emeraldine knows more ways to use a glass cutter than most of us have ever imagined. Dorothy Suzanne Gunn wrote: > I think E and P have it goin on! ;o) > > Suzanne > > Family Account wrote: > > > > Yes, Suzanne, and I hear that Emeraldine will be keeping a close eye on > > Pierre...not that he is normally tempted to stray, but.... > > > > Dorothy > > > > Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > > > Havent you heard???? She's coming to the USA!!! :o) > > > > > > Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 11:43:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 8 little piggies Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:25:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.122520.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/10/99 10:17:26 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: >It helps >if you publically talk about an obnoxious project with your >friends, so as to keep it in the forefront of your conscience. And I suppose it can't hurt to have some fool working for you who doesn't mind spending an occasional full day doing the no-brainer stuff like grinding and foiling all those itty bitty pieces..........? :-) Sparks (any resemblance to the abovementioned fool is, well, somewhat more than mere coincidence.........) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 12:01:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 8 little piggies -Christie Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.52846.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" >You simply must post after each time you do work on it. We could consid= er this a soap opera. Too bad we can't play really bad dramatic organ music= at the end of each post! Will she finish? or will she have pork chops for supper?< OK - I'll do it just so that I can get this blasted thing off my solderin= g desk prior to moving my studio at the end of the month. Last night I got out the foiling machine and will finish foiling all gazillion pieces today. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 12:01:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dumb things we have done. Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:25:22 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.122522.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/11/99 12:28:33 AM, wmh@scci.net writes: >When I went to get the slivers off, I used a washcloth >and ended up with the most interesting complextion. One day a couple of years ago, I'd been grinding glass all day and my well-meaning sweetie picked up a towel and went to wipe my thoroughly sparkly face, and I shrieked and jumped back a foot and nearly scared the daylights out of him. It hadn't occurred to him that he could (1) do a real sandpaper job on my face or (2) flip a piece of grit into my eye or (3) both of the above! I must say there are some very good things about having a mate who's thoroughly in awe and slightly scared of the process though - at least I don't have to worry about my tools walking or my work-in-progress getting rearranged when I'm not looking! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 12:06:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: "Bungi Buddies" digital postcard ??? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:28:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.52841.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bungi Buddies" >A Digital Postcard is waiting for you at our virtual post office! Yes, you can trust your eyes! Bungi Buddies sent you a free Digital Postcard.< I received this in my emailbox today. I am deleting it. I don't know who sent it to me, and the return email address was a made-up email address, so I'm very suspicious. I always delete emails from folk I don't know, especially in light of the Melissa virus and the new email worm going around. So, if you are the person who sent me this...sorry, but just pick up the telephone or send me a real email or send me a real postcard. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 12:30:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:12:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199906111118.LAA18368@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Brian, That really made me chuckle!! It also reminded me of an incident when Toby dipped his face in a solution of red food dye that crashed on the floor (cake making) You should have seen peoples' expression later on that day, when we went out for our evening walk; Toby with RED teeth and red chops (blood??!) Everyone gave HIM a wide berth... Poor chap! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hello > > That's pretty macho - drinking flux flavoured coffee! Mind you I have done > it with a paint brush. It brings a degree of consternation to people you > meet when you smile at them with blue teeth! > > Best regards > > BtB > > > >>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into > > their > > coffee cup or iron stand?<< > > > > I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................ > Bob > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 12:30:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: E at Glass Visions? Yes and No.... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:12:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199906111118.LAA18365@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Albert , et al You are absolutely correct!! For some reason, I will appear at Glass Visions, looking pretty, saying Hello and doing very little. However, I bow in deference to the judgement of Charles & Marianne. That I want to roll up my sleeves and get working with you all... will be something that will only be unfolded at the workshops with Jenna Meredith-Sanders in Maryland and the subsequent ones. Jenna - as you know - had a baby about 10 months ago, a bouncing, bellowing little being. Despite all of that, she has committed herself to hosting TWO of my USA workshops. A very brave young lady - in deed. Location: Silver Spring, Maryland The dates for these two workshops are (both 2 full days): 14th 'n 15th August 1999 and 21st 'n 22nd August 1999 of which the FIRST one is virtually full up. The second Work Shop has STILL some places left. Contact Jenna direct for reserving your place! Her e-mail address is jenna sanders@yahoo.com There will be quite a Bungi-Party going on behind the scenes (from what I understand....), in particular in Maryland. The NEXT workshop will be in Kansas City on 11th 'n 12 September, 1999 First contact there is Mike Peck (who has organized it) summitstudio@worldnet.att.net or Gene Roper (who is hosting it) gene1@jdir.net The NEXT one will be in Seattle at NW Art Glass 18th 'n 19th September, 1999 Contact is Carol Swann (who has organized it) seaspray@island.net OR Richard at NW Art Glass (who is hosting it) kemrem@aol.com We still have to decide venue for the last workshop in Florida for 28th 'n 29th September, probably in the Sarasota area. Initially, register your interest with Lee Boe at leestat7@home.com OR Lenore at yegnim@aol.com Over the last 12 months I have saved up over 200 questions from Bungi-people in how to work in lead. THAT is precisely what my trip to USA is all about. I have NO gizmos, no awe-inspiring Robert Oddy look-alike- pretensions. I am coming over to show you how WE in Europe work in lead..... and very likely..... learn a lot from you folks too. My mission is - as I stated about 3 years ago in Bungi Group - to bring you Over There closer to us Over Here..... because we have a lot to share and a lot to learn from each other. I said that THREE years ago.... that is STIL:L a mission of mine. Passion and love for stained glass is the same all over the World.... we just have different ways of doing it. I started off a couple of years ago with inviting you folks to join Us Over Here on a pilgrimmage to Chartres in France. Miracles of miracles....YOU travelled from USA to Over Here and as -as a result - I got to know a small handful of people - face to face -equally as dedicated and passionate about stained glass as I myself. I, am now setting aside 2 months of my life of summer in my English garden (very crucial, very precious; no gooseberries, no plums, no p[um brandy, no apple wine, no black-berry conserve...... a poor year..... "sigh"....) to be with you; Charles Warner has made it possible; Dani 'n Michael Greer has fuelled it and Carol Swann in Canada has been the Big Chief. And I have high hopes for people to meet at Glass Visions....... And who knows.... I might just be suspended inside a bubble in a go-go dancer outfit, joined by our Mr. O'Tutu (Yep! You're in DEEP trouble Kaye!!). You all will just have to wait and see (tee-hee!) I had intended to meet up with the other 12 or so of UK Bunginians before I left. Time is running out and I will most likely not achieve to meet more than about 1-2 before I leave. But I W I L L meet up with them on my return. That does not mean that I don't have a folder-full of suggestions from them to bring with me me across to USA. I will have. So if you can make it, so will I! For Jenna's workshops, cut-off point is 2 weeks before date of workshops so let her know quickly!! My very Best Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK > > At the very least it will be expected in her Glass Visions > > Presentation. > > It's my understanding she's not scheduled to make a presentation > during Glass Visions. She's just there as an honored guest. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 13:13:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mar333Wood From: Mar333Wood@aol.com To: Pam@stainedglassartists.com, glass@bungi.com (glass@bungi.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Color Test Try This One! Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:59:13 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun11.175913.0> Precedence: bulk This test is uncanny, or do we believe just what we want to believe. My personality was right on the button. Smartest thing in glass for me to date has been to teach. When I started teaching a few years ago, I was nearing the point of burnout with SG. Tired of jealous competitors and no one willing to share ideas. Now I've found that many true stained glass artists aren't afraid to share and do enjoy helping fellow artists. This from Bungi as well as from my students. Yes, I learn from the students. Most have great original ideas and are eager to share. Marti ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 13:39:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: blade repair Date: Fri Jun 11 11:22:46 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jun12.9046.0> References: <<1999Jun11.1959.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley the last i heard, he is not doing it anymore... Steve Swanson p o box 939 sharpes Fl 32959-0939 let me know what you find out-ok? thanx debbie taylor kleeman@one.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Shirley Balloch [mailto:balloch@netbridge.net] > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:10 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: blade repair > > > Hi group, > I just broke my Diamond 1000 band saw blade. When I broke the first > one, I was given an address of a guy in Florida that repairs them for > $25. I put the address away in a safe place and I can't remember where > that safe place is. Does anyone know this guy and his address, or > better yet does anyone know someone on the west coast who repairs band > saw blades? > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 14:08:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'bungi'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: Chicago Info Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.102133.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.chicagoartglass.com/ about 130 miles north of chicago, actually in Wisconsin regards, charlie phx, az From: Zeusluvr@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Chicago Info >Hi Friends, I am lokking for some information on addresses for the Chicago >Art Glass Co, and also Youghiogheny Factory. My husband and I are planning a >trip to Chicago in July and would like to be able to visit these factories. >I am always amazed at the information that is out here for the asking and >also just for picking up without asking. This is a great service and I enjoy >it thoroughly. >Thanks in advance for any info you may be able to provide. Also if there is >any great places to check out stained glass I would be interested in that >also.. > > >Thanks again for your help. >Zeusluvr (Susie Smith) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 14:56:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:32:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Smartest thing you've ever done... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:30:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.93032.0> References: <<1999Jun11.122527.0>> Precedence: bulk I think the thing I have done relating to stained glass was meeting up with you guys. ;o) I've learned a tremendous amount from you all in the last year. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 15:01:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Church windows I saw today Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:37:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.93731.0> Precedence: bulk I went to the funeral of a friend this morning. The church had gorgeous stained glass windows. I have never seen a window like this before and dont know what it is called. The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came. They were so vibrant, it was very decieving to the eyes...the looked very 3 D. Does anyone know what Im talking about? What is this called? Very unusual looking but very beautiful. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 16:16:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Color Test Try This One! Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:42:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.124227.0> References: <<1999Jun11.175913.0>> Precedence: bulk Mar333Wood@aol.com wrote: > > This test is uncanny, or do we believe just what we want to believe. My > personality was right on the button. > > Smartest thing in glass for me to date has been to teach. When I started > teaching a few years ago, I was nearing the point of burnout with SG. Tired > of jealous competitors and no one willing to share ideas. Now I've found that > many true stained glass artists aren't afraid to share and do enjoy helping > fellow artists. This from Bungi as well as from my students. Yes, I learn > from the students. Most have great original ideas and are eager to share. > > Marti > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com if it gave and actual score that's one thing. but when it gives a fortune at the end that's another. i really can't believe it can be accurate by picking out 8 colors twice. personally i could have gotten an accurate response from a handful of fortune cookies, and at least then i would be able to eat something... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 16:27:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:46:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Emeraldine's glass cutterRe: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:48:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.13487.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk "Modiano, Victor" wrote: > > > And is Emeraldine going to share any of these new ways to use a glass > cutter? > After all isn't the purposes of Bungi sharing knowledge and learning > new skills. > > Vic M. This is a story I have pieced together from people who have known Emeradine many years. She just smiles when you ask her about it...she's quite modest, you know. Shortly after Emeraldine took to the road, during the time of the GREAT Tin Shortage, the cathedral in Southwest Flats was having new windows installed. They were designed by Myrtlette Hogwhittle and are generally know as the "Angles of the Sage". Some critics claim that these windows are a great example of post-modernist apres-cubist expressionism. Others complain that they can't tell the porcupines from the angels. I'm sure you've seen the pictures and read the relevant literature (it sounds like Myrtlette may have had something to do with that 4 piggies lamp. I hear she's bad at math, too.) Anyway, a small group of itinerant vitreous workers set up camp to complete the project. About halfway through, the wonderful Krynski Master Cloggers came to town to do a show and they generaously offered to perform for the cathedral workers. It was during the justly renowned kazoo number that Emeraldine decided to go get a drink. (she thinks the kazoo number is over rated, but you'll have to rent the tape and make your own judgement.) As she walked outside, she noticed furtive figures trying at the locked door of the storage shed, the place the IVW had stored its solder. Sneaking nearer, she discovered three miscreants, trying to break in. They appeared to only armed with lockpicks, whereas Emeraldine, in new found fervor, always carried her glass cutter and grozing pliers in a tool belt at her waist. It seemed the odds were about even, although Emeraldine did call for help. No one heard over the sound of the kazoos (and most of the audience was enthralled.) When intermission came, and the audience went out for a breath of fresh air, they found Emeraldine standing over the three solder thieves. One was curled into a fetal position and quivering. Another was bleeding profusely from fine cuts on his arm. The other, well, think grozing pliers and leave it at theat. The police were called and the criminals were hauled away. Because of the tin shortage, of course, there was no spare solder to be found, so Emeraldine was considered quite a hero for saving the project. She was given a seat on stage for the rest of the performance. She did tell me that cloggers sweat ALOT, but she did find the "Elves in the Meadow" number completely charming none the less. You know, you don't need a license to carry a concealed glass cutter, but effective usage does take practice. And the cutting heads are never quite the same. I do want you to understand that Emeraldine is a charming, gentle woman, but I wouldn't want to force her to fight. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 18:09:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:57:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.10575.0> Precedence: bulk Suz: I bet it's Dalle de Verre--I've never seen it, but I read an article recently about it in Glass Craftsman. Look at this web site for a little info: http://www.ihsstudios.com/faceted.html Shari -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 4:12 PM Subject: Church windows I saw today >I went to the funeral of a friend this morning. >The church had gorgeous stained glass windows. I have never seen a >window like this before and dont know what it is called. > >The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was >chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe >some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came. > >They were so vibrant, it was very decieving to the eyes...the looked >very 3 D. Does anyone know what Im talking about? What is this >called? Very unusual looking but very beautiful. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 18:24:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!prubin1 From: "Paula Rubin" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Where to get jewels? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:01:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.1516.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEB43C.C26E5280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone tell me where I could find a good assortment of beveled = jewels and findings for boxes? TIA Paula ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEB43C.C26E5280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can someone tell me where I could find a good = assortment of=20 beveled jewels and findings for boxes?
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEB43C.C26E5280-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 18:41:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dee Thompson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:17:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.121737.0> References: <<3.0.32.19990611183052.008fbd9c@pop.erols.com>> Precedence: bulk I've heard of it but had never seen it before. It really is beautiful. Suzanne Dee Thompson wrote: > > Dalle de verre? thick slabs of glass that are chiseled and cemented. > Dee > > >The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was > >chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe > >some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came. > What is this called? -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 18:43:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: Suzanne Gunn , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:30:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990611183052.008fbd9c@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Dalle de verre? thick slabs of glass that are chiseled and cemented. Dee >The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was >chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe >some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came. What is this called? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 19:24:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:55:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Papa5243 From: Papa5243@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Inland Foiler .... HELP Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:50:51 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun12.05051.0> Precedence: bulk I recently purchased an Inlande Edgemaster Foiler for my wife. It came with no instructions except a picture of the set up on the box. I thought I was helping but I guess not....she is getting so frustrated with it, I may soon be in the dog house. Can anyone out there give me help, sympathy, or both? I eagerly await a miracle. Thanks L. J. Pittman ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 20:26:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:22:23 -0700 Message-ID: <4.1.19990611181935.0092fce0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun11.93731.0>> Precedence: bulk At 02:37 PM 6/11/99 -0500, Suzanne Gunn wrote: >I went to the funeral of a friend this morning. >The church had gorgeous stained glass windows. I have never seen a >window like this before and dont know what it is called. > >The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was >chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe >some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came. > >They were so vibrant, it was very decieving to the eyes...the looked >very 3 D. Does anyone know what Im talking about? What is this >called? Very unusual looking but very beautiful. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- Sounds like dalle de verre to me. It's cut by slamming it down on a sharpened steel edge rather than with the glass cutter we use. I just read a book about it, but I can't remember the title. I'll let you know if it comes to me. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 20:45:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:01:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun12.2120.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/11/99 5:02:35 PM Central Daylight Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: << went to the funeral of a friend this morning. The church had gorgeous stained glass windows. I have never seen a window like this before and dont know what it is called. The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came. >>This sounds like a slab glass window and yes they would grout it as a mosaic rather than using leading. I went to an architectural salvage place last week and they had some great old chunks of slab glass which I would have loved, alas this is where it kinda stinks to be poor! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 20:57:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!izzy3 From: Michael Smoucha To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today, and visiting Chicago Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:17:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.16174.0> References: <<1999Jun11.93731.0>> Precedence: bulk > > > The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was > chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe > some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came. > > They were so vibrant, it was very decieving to the eyes...the looked > very 3 D. Does anyone know what Im talking about? What is this > called? Very unusual looking but very beautiful. > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > Hi suz, What you saw is called Slab glass or Dalle de verre or faceted glass. It is a type of art glass the comes in 8" x 12" x 1" (all aprox) slabs or Dalles. The glass is cut with a glass cutter then broken on an "anvil" which is a round (2") steel bar set in a wedge of epoxy. After all of the basic geometric pieces are rough cut on the anvil the finish cutting is done using a hammer similar to a masons hammer. After this "rough cutting" process the glass is laid out on the pattern and trimmed up to follow all indicated epoxy lines. Once all pieces are cut to the artisans satisfaction selected pieces are "faceted" or chipped along their edges to give the sparkling effect that you mentioned. The cut glass is laid out on a pattern and aprox 1/2" of sand is sifted onto the framed out panel to fill the spaces between the glass. ( The panel which is usually kept under 20 square feet is framed out using wood cut to 1" tall by 1" or so wide then shellacked and waxed to prevent sticking of the epoxy.) An epoxy slab glass compound is then poured around the pieces. Just before the epoxy sets an aggregate of sand or other crushed stone, roofing graduals, marble chips or similar material can be sprinkled onto the tacky surface to give the panel texture. The panel is then allowed to cure for at least 24 hours. The panel is flipped and the pouring process is repeated. This double pour method produces a panel from 7/8" to 1" thick. The epoxy is actually an amalgam of resin binder with silica filler and when set gets a glass like finish if an aggregate is not used. Some studios fabricated using variations on this method which employed either wax paper or thin layer of sand to get a "single pour" panel. These were usually thinner than double poured pieces and usually had one rough and/or uneven side. This technique had its roots in France where the original matrix used was cement. When this process was first brought to the US the difference in climatic conditions caused problems with the cement/glass combination. The introduction of epoxy slab glass compound which has an expansion/contraction coefficient similar to glass helped to solve these early problems. These panels can form quite large and elaborate curtain walls as they can be stacked atop of each other leaving no apparent seam. Many studios where doing quite a volume of this type of art glass windows in the 70s and early 80s. For some reason they have fallen out of fashion and slab jobs are now few and far between. This media is actually very enjoyable to work in because it is a lot more free flowing than tightly regimented leaded glass. The drawings are done much more loosely with more latitude left to the discretion of the craftsperson. A skilled and experienced artisan can do some quite amazing stuff with a slab hammer ( and heavy gloves and safety glasses.) This is a media which ties Art glass with sculpture in a very hands on way. In an effort to cover two questions in one post: To visitors to Chicago: An amazing example of Dalle de verre work can be seen at Resurrection Cemetery on route 171 just southwest of Chicago. This mausoleum is three stories tall and has an incredible curtain wall wrapping the entire building. Chicago and its surrounding suburbs are filled with art glass treasures. Be sure to look in on the Chagal at the art museum. Second Presbyterian Church on 18th and Michigan holds a breathtaking collection of Tiffany and Lafarge windows. Fourth Pres. on Michigan and Chestnut along the magnificent mile holds a wonderful collection of Connick Windows. While downtown look in at Archbishop Quigley Seminary 103 East Chestnut St. The windows in the Saint James Chapel at Quigley, were modeled after the windows at Charte's Cathedral. The rose window in St James Chapel is currently undergoing a restoration by Botti Studio which will include total re-leading of all of the panels. These panels were constructed using mostly high heart leads and many sections were double and triple glazed. The glass and lead work in these panels is truly amazing. A display in the back of the chapel brings the panels down for public view and gives an opportunity to view up close the complexity of craft work involved in these windows . Another church worth seeing is Old St. Patrick's at 718 West Adams at Dearbourn. The windows in this church were designed and fabricated by O'Shaughnessy studio in 1921 and are a prime example of the melding of leaded and foiled techniques in a large scale project. The Windows and indeed the interior painting of the church offers some of the finest Celtic art in the city. While downtown also look in at the Chicago Cultural Center Preston Bradley hall at 78 East Washington and look at the Tiffany art glass dome. Depending on when you intend to visit, the studio I work with, Botti Studio, is currently working on an exhibit going into Navy Pier. The Smith Museum of art glass will hold over 180 light boxes and will also include Large art glass windows rescued from local churches scheduled for demolition. The Exhibit is scheduled to be installed starting in November of 1999 and will include multiple galleries featuring Victorian, Prairie style, Modern, Religious and High Religious art glass windows. Some of the finest examples of the art and craft will be on display in one location. If you are coming into the city earlier you can see some of Mr. Smiths wonderful collection at the international terminal of Chicago's O'hare airport. Of course this is only the tiniest smattering of what you can see while visiting the city. If you are on Michigan Avenue try stopping in at the AIA storefront near the Art Institute. They have a number of books and maps delineating architectural walking tours of the city. I think you would be able to find info an some of the great Art glass on display here. Look for a book entitled " Chicago Stained Glass" which documents many of the fine examples of the art in the local city churches and public buildings. Enjoy your visit. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 23:11:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen" To: "Bungi List" , Subject: Re: Inland Foiler .... HELP Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.18597.0> Precedence: bulk I have this foiler too. The best thing it does is strip the paper backing off the foil. I never did get it to work with the guides down in the front...rips the foil every time especially when turning a corner. Just flip them up out of the way. After using it for awhile I did get use to it and still use it. The "tracks" in the different sized wheels do help keep your glass piece centered too. Karen >I recently purchased an Inlande Edgemaster Foiler for my wife. It came with >no instructions except a picture of the set up on the box. I thought I was >helping but I guess not....she is getting so frustrated with it, I may soon >be in the dog house. Can anyone out there give me help, sympathy, or both? > >I eagerly await a miracle. > >Thanks > >L. J. Pittman >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 23:23:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:35:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Michael Smoucha Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today, and visiting Chicago Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:31:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.173122.0> References: <<3761C320.3D698919@mediaone.net>> Precedence: bulk Thanks so much for all the detail, Michael. Im going to call the church and see if I cant get some info on who made these. Im hoping they are local..if they still do it, I'd *love* to watch sometime. I wasnt kidding when I said it *almost* hurt my eyes to look at the window closest too me. The colors were so rich and vibrant...and the brights, particularly the red really jumped out...it's the kind of thing that makes me blink alot. ;o) I'd sure like to get ahold of some of that glass. I've always loved glass bricks for walls. If my eyes could handle it, I think the dalle de verre would be great for a shower enclosure. Seems I had red that this glass is difficult to get. Is that true? Im so glad I got to see these windows. Im going back with my camera. One of my friends that sat a few rows behind me at the funeral teased me about paying closer attention to all the glass than to the preacher. T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 23:34:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: dumb things... Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.19297.0> Precedence: bulk Have broke myself of this nasty habit in the glass shop ...knock on wood...Often when in need of a third hand I would hold something in my mouth...frequently a used flux brush. Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 23:34:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:36:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.143627.0> References: <<1999Jun11.121737.0>> Precedence: bulk >From what I have read, it is epoxy with sand mixed in to it for the texture in many panels done in this manner. I have seen a site where they show a panel being made, they used a hammer and chisel to cut the glass chunks,,, ;-) http://www.haegerstainedglass.com/Dalle%20de%20verre.htm http://www.ihsstudios.com/faceted.html http://www.powellbrosglassart.com/faceted.html http://www.hiline.net/~glass/dallede1.htm Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dee Thompson Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 03:17 PM Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today > I've heard of it but had never seen it before. It really is beautiful. > > Suzanne > > Dee Thompson wrote: > > > > Dalle de verre? thick slabs of glass that are chiseled and cemented. > > Dee > > > > >The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was > > >chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe > > >some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came. > > What is this called? > > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 11 23:46:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Steve Wernecke" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:34:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.143424.0> Precedence: bulk >>Sounds like dalle de verre to me. It's cut by slamming it down on a sharpened steel edge rather than with the glass cutter we use. I just read a book about it, but I can't remember the title. I'll let you know if it comes to me. Steve << Here is the way taught to me by an artist that has made several hundred of these windows over the past 40 years. 1. Score the dalle on the smooth side with a common glass cutter, 2. Turn dalle over and place on a lead block and place a one inch cold chisel in alignment with the score and in the middle, 3. Strike the cold chisel a moderate blow with a one pound hammer. Glass MAY break with a very clean vertical edge. With a bit of practice the glass breaks cleanly over 90% of the time. Curves do not work well and breaking off less than an inch has a poor chance. A carbide water cooled tile saw may be used to cut the glass but it is slow and no fun. For curves turn the glass in its side and make cuts to the curve about 1/2" apart and break off the resulting slivers. To facet the edge a light 3/8" carbide tipped chipping hammer works well. Light blows are administrated from the cut edge. With practice the work goes quickly and is rather predictable. Curved pieces may be shaped with the chipping hammer. Warning: About the worst cut I have ever received was when faceting and my hammer hand came down on a large chip on the work surface. I now use a raised lead block to chip glass on. Keeps my hand off the bench and cushons the glass. Epoxy is most generaly used to join the pieces and colored sand is used on the weather surface. The sand is sprinkled between the cut pieces before the epoxy is poured, something like a stepping stone. Weight is perhaps six pounds per square foot depending on the glass to epoxy ratio. .................. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 12 00:05:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Re: Jewels & Findings Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:58:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun11.145841.0> References: <<002f01beb45e$f5464060$74645ecf@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk http://www.riogrande.com/index.htm Great place, and they will send you all three of their catalogs for free. Everything that you could ever want to make stuff in jewelry, glass, casting, findings, polishing, you name it, they most likely do it. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula Rubin To: Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 04:05 PM Subject: Jewels & Findings > > Can someone tell me where to find a good assortment of glass jewels & > findings for boxes? > TIA > Paula > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 12 02:20:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk!studio.stainedglass From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Dalles de Verre windows in UK - website Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:02:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun12.10258.0> Precedence: bulk A good example in UK is Buckfast Abbey in Devon. They have a website at http://www.buckfast.org.uk This abbey was built this century just by the monks and is a splendid place to visit if you are in the West Country. There is a page showing the construction of dalles de verre windows. Father Charles (now 89 I believe) is still at work in the studio making stained glass windows in lead as well as D-d-V. We actually own two windows made by the monks in 1935 for a convent locally. When the biulding (formerley a large family house) became redundant and was being redeveloped as a conference centre we heard from a customer that the workmen were knocking out the stained glass and Sam hurried over to see what coould be salvaged. The workers had already taken out the traditional stained glass (of which we later had a commission to refurbish and install in a private house) and had literally knocked the dalles windows out of the frames. For a certain sum they were happy to let Sam collect all he could find from the ground around which he bore triumphantly home. He has been able to reconstruct two 6 foot high crosses which he made in four sections as they are so heavy. A photo of one of these can be seen at http://www.stainedglass.co.uk/dallesx.jpg. Luckily as the glass chunks are so thick none of them had worse injuries than a few extra facets added by the workmen's sledge hammers, so the glass is original. EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 12 09:04:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Christie A. Wood" , Subject: Re: "Bungi Buddies" digital postcard ??? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:32:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun12.03239.0> References: <<1999Jun11.52841.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Smart thing to do Christie.... sad but true... be safe make the email terrorists sorry. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 6:28 AM Subject: "Bungi Buddies" digital postcard ??? > Message text written by "Bungi Buddies" > >A Digital Postcard is waiting for you at our virtual post office! > > Yes, you can trust your eyes! > Bungi Buddies sent you a free Digital Postcard.< > > I received this in my emailbox today. I am deleting it. I don't > know who sent it to me, and the return email address was > a made-up email address, so I'm very suspicious. I always > delete emails from folk I don't know, especially in light of > the Melissa virus and the new email worm going around. > So, if you are the person who sent me this...sorry, but just > pick up the telephone or send me a real email or send me > a real postcard. > > Christie Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > http://www.igga.org/wood/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 12 12:13:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shari Higbee Subject: Re: soldering w/gloves Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:15:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun12.18158.0> References: <<1999Jun11.22554.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Shari, This is a good reminder to all of us that no loose things should be used near rotating machinery. -- EVER I would add that I think gloves while grinding is loose material waiting to get caught. I'd use finger protectors, such as those used by bank tellers to help count money. They work well. I don't use them much though, as I find bare fingers better. Steve In message <1999Jun11.22554.0@?>, Shari Higbee writes >I try to remember to wear the latex gloves--especially when grinding. That's >when I really eat up my fingers. (My husband does construction work and my >hands are rougher than his...) But my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my >finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps >it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is >attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not >turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is not >a good thing to do to motors. > >I agree with ... was it Dorothy?... it's time I focus on safety issues again >for awhile! Either that or just quit doing glass in my sleep. :-) >Shari > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 12 17:28:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Robert& Mary Mead??? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun12.123547.0> Precedence: bulk I am trying to locate the where abouts of Mary Mead who at one time was a stained glass supplier. Her husband passed away and she may have kept the business. Unfortunately I don't know what state, and don't have much to go on. Any help most appreciated! Thanks, Sue Reitmann ( Mpls.MN) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 00:07:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netrax.net!rejones From: Bob Jones To: Bungi List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inland Foiler .... HELP Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun12.163537.0> References: <<1999Jun11.18597.0>> Precedence: bulk I love mine. It took some gettin used to, but after that I foil ten times faster. Bob Karen wrote: > I have this foiler too. The best thing it does is strip the paper > backing off the foil. I never did get it to work with the guides down in > the front...rips the foil every time especially when turning a corner. > Just flip them up out of the way. After using it for awhile I did get > use to it and still use it. The "tracks" in the different sized wheels > do help keep your glass piece centered too. > > Karen > > >I recently purchased an Inlande Edgemaster Foiler for my wife. It came > with > >no instructions except a picture of the set up on the box. I thought I > was > >helping but I guess not....she is getting so frustrated with it, I may > soon > >be in the dog house. Can anyone out there give me help, sympathy, or > both? > > > >I eagerly await a miracle. > > > >Thanks > > > >L. J. Pittman > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 00:14:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: Robert& Mary Mead??? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun12.16433.0> Precedence: bulk Are you a collection agency? If you were a friend think you would already know how to find them. Are you a relative, police, a person just wanting to buy their excess glass? A post like yours strikes me as suspicious. If would have been nice if your post was a little more personalable. Don't know the folks of which you speak. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Susan C. Reitmann To: 'glass@bungi.com' Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 8:34 PM Subject: Robert& Mary Mead??? >I am trying to locate the where abouts of Mary Mead who at one time was a >stained glass supplier. Her husband passed away and she may have kept the >business. Unfortunately I don't know what state, and don't have much to go >on. Any help most appreciated! >Thanks, >Sue Reitmann ( Mpls.MN) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 09:54:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Inland Foiler .... HELP Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:36:44 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun13.143644.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/13/99 3:09:25 AM, rejones@netrax.net writes: >I love mine. It took some gettin used to, but after that I foil ten times >faster. I second the "took some getting used to." I cussed and fussed at Christie's Glastar foiler for months before SUDDENLY getting the hang of it (which caused her to laugh hysterically, bless her perverse heart). I bought one for myself immediately, and literally "don't leave home without it" (it lives in my tool bucket when not in use). So, a word to L.J. Pittman's missus: Keep trying. It may take a while, but if I had any money (which I don't), I'd be willing to bet that eventually you won't know how you lived without the gizmo! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 10:05:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:36:32 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun13.143632.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/11/99 12:51:45 PM, shigbee@stmassociates.com writes: >my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my >finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps >it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is >attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not >turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is >not a good thing to do to motors. YIKES! Not a good thing to do to *fingers* either! While it's not likely, you could conceivably sprain or break a finger doing that, or get a nasty shock if the motor overloads and blows up on you. Never, *ever* let anything that's "loose" but attached to you - hair, clothing, ends of gloves, you name it - get anywhere *near* ANY power tool or operating machinery, no matter *how* "low power" you think it is. You're asking for disaster. If you feel you've just *gotta* protect your fingers, Band-Aids and waterproof adhesive tape are a lot safer. Make sure you get the real Johnson & Johnson adhesive tape though - the generic stuff doesn't stick as well (she said, speaking from experience of having on occasion preserved my fingers through several lo-o-o-o-ong days in a row of grinding, such as during the infamous Children's Hospital mosaic project). Or try those grinder tongs. They're kind of expensive and I haven't tried them myself, but they look like a reasonable alternative. But rubber gloves? No way! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 10:22:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Special skills with a glass cutter? was RE: Fw: Soldering in the Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:36:52 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun13.143652.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/11/99 2:37:01 PM, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: >And is Emeraldine going to share any of these new ways to use a glass >cutter? >After all isn't the purposes of Bungi sharing knowledge and learning new >skills. I think you'll have to go to alt.sex.kinky.glass for that ;-) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 11:02:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dumb things we have done. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:14:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199906131520.PAA18847@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well Sparks, et al. My students are always perplexed when I ask them - early on - to add to their tool-kit either a pastry brush or a soft medium-broad paint brush. Now you know WHY!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who are both wondering about your arrival in UK in JULY!!!!??? DETAILS PLEASE!!) If you DO NOT very soon , I will broadcast your REAL name to all in BUNGI. HOWZAT for a threat and incentive!! ;-x Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Sparks wrote: > In a message dated 6/11/99 12:28:33 AM, wmh@scci.net writes: > > >When I went to get the slivers off, I used a washcloth > >and ended up with the most interesting complextion. > > One day a couple of years ago, I'd been grinding glass all day and my > well-meaning sweetie picked up a towel and went to wipe my thoroughly sparkly > face, and I shrieked and jumped back a foot and nearly scared the daylights > out of him. It hadn't occurred to him that he could (1) do a real sandpaper > job on my face or (2) flip a piece of grit into my eye or (3) both of the > above! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 11:20:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Emeraldine's glass cutterRe: Fw: Soldering in the buff!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:14:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199906131520.PAA18844@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Honestly Dorothy!!! I ask you!!! ....."Post-modernist apres-cubist expressionism" ........ Honestly!! Shame on you! ;-> Pierre would N E V E R say something like THAT!!!! Toby - tottering towards total trauma when told total tosh (in United Kingdom) 'n Elisabeth - as an afterthought...... Dorothy wrote: Some critics claim that these windows > are a great example of post-modernist apres-cubist expressionism. > Others complain that they can't tell the porcupines from the angels. >> ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 12:02:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Dalle-de-verre book Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:46:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.8464.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Steve Wernecke >Sounds like dalle de verre to me. It's cut by slamming it down on a sharpened steel edge rather than with the glass cutter we use. I just read a book about it, but I can't remember the title. I'll let you know = if it comes to me.< There is a good, long chapter on it in the book "The Technique of Stained Glass" by Patrick Reyntiens. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 12:24:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Church windows I saw today Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:46:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.8461.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne Gunn >The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe some kind of grout? What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.< It was Dalle-de-verre also called slab glass. This is thick slabs of cast glass which is then broken into workable smaller pieces by hammering it over an anvil. The dalle-de-verre glass pieces are then set into an epoxy resin to hold them. The whole thing is massive and rich in deep colors. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 12:38:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Robert& Mary Mead??? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:14:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199906131520.PAA18841@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Linda Jo Letcher and other new-bies and new-er Bunginians, Sue Reitman has been with "us" for a number of years now. Early on, she contributed to Bungi quite a lot. She does "lurk" a bit more these days. We also have the pleasure of the presence of her niece - Tracy Reitman - on Bungi (both of them beavering away on stained glass ). So, us "early folk" can vouch that there is nothing "suspicious" in the request. Sue, I believe, is located in a bit more remote area and probably would like to track down excess glass. I have a feeling that both Sue and Tracy filed their Bios with Patrick...... If you have filed 'em all in a separate Bungi Bio file, you could quickly scan through through the file or ask our infamous Mr. O'Tutu (Patrick Kelly). Which reminds me.........WHAT?! N O BIOS this week-end!!!? No wonder The Hound From Hell is salivating!!!! DO remember Mr. O'Tutu; Passport for Hounds is only an eye-wink away!! The Keeper of The Hound From Hell is only SEVEN weeks away!! There will be NO escape!! Your Refugee Visa Application to France - I'm told - has been denied. The French Ministry of Culture put in a very vociferous objection to your application for a Visa. They felt it would lower the tone of French Culture by allowing in a strange Irish off-spring in America, partly dressed in a funny white coat with pretty brown leather straps that buckle up at the back and, partly in a stained glass Tutu. If the Department of Mental Health agreed to a change in colour of the fetching white coat from white to saffron, you might possible try to apply for a visa to the Himalayas. Except - my scouts tell me, there is about a 5 year waiting list. I am also told that it's very cold and the s.g. tutu might suffer..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Linda Jo Letcher wrote: > Are you a collection agency? If you were a friend think you would already > know how to find them. Are you a relative, police, a person just wanting to > buy their excess glass? A post like yours strikes me as suspicious. If > would have been nice if your post was a little more personalable. Don't > know the folks of which you speak. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 12:58:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel in Oregon To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inland Foiler .... HELP Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:02:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.3225.0> References: <<1999Jun13.143644.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/99 3:09:25 AM, rejones@netrax.net writes: > > >I love mine. It took some gettin used to, but after that I foil ten times > >faster. > > I second the "took some getting used to." I cussed and fussed at Christie's > Glastar foiler for months before SUDDENLY getting the hang of it (which > caused her to laugh hysterically, bless her perverse heart). I bought one for > myself immediately, and literally "don't leave home without it" (it lives in > my tool bucket when not in use). > > So, a word to L.J. Pittman's missus: Keep trying. It may take a while, but if > I had any money (which I don't), I'd be willing to bet that eventually you > won't know how you lived without the gizmo! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass I'm using the Hoevel............... Sort of mid to high end.........works great for me.... Daniel in Oregon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 13:20:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:30:34 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun13.173034.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I've tried the grinder tongs - don't waste your money. I use them only when I have the tiniest piece that there's no way I can hold onto it - and the piece still flies out of the tongs never to be found again. IMHO, of course. Brenda << Or try those grinder tongs. They're kind of expensive and I haven't tried them myself, but they look like a reasonable alternative. >> >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 17:01:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:30:34 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun13.173034.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I've tried the grinder tongs - don't waste your money. I use them only when I have the tiniest piece that there's no way I can hold onto it - and the piece still flies out of the tongs never to be found again. IMHO, of course. 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There might be a bigger bunch of letters to e-mail out, and one $30.00 payment to afford, but all is rewarded by the higher number of people it is exposed to (so hooked up) with just 4 names in the list, while keeping the amount of mail received at reasonable figures. It is also very inexpensive to participate in because it is designed to be run totally on-line. Using e-mail this program moves live, (this is not snail mail, taking forever to see any money)! Because it is so easy, because of the LOW INVESTMENT, SPEED, AND HIGH PROFIT POTENTIAL, this program has a VERY HIGH AND VERY FAST RESPONSE RATE! Just US$30.00!. That’s your onetime only investment!!! And you will see results in two weeks! You can set up today... and actually be getting checks mailed to you tomorrow. Just in time for next month’s bills! And those will be the last bills you will ever ever have to worry about! You e-mail out 200 copies. Don't get discouraged by the high number. It's just a couple hours work and the rewards are endless. Not even your favourite Sport Hero or Entertainer does actually make this much with this little work ... Do you want to be financially set for life? Do you want to finally turn all your dreams in reality? Then do your homework! Even if you are already in a program, stay with it, but DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR and DO THIS ONE as well. START RIGHT NOW! It will pay off for life long before other letters even begin to trickle in! And in the end you'll more likely throw any other program you are in away! ************************************************************************ Thanks for reading this far... Now here are the simple details!!! Read and follow the simple instructions below exactly, and you will agree this is YOUR LIFETIME DEAL. Only invest a little bit of time, and in less than three months, you will receive over $300,000! YOU'LL BE FINANCIALLY FREE! Good luck! A) Mail $30.00 (wrapped in a piece of blank paper) to the name next to #1 at the top of the list. Include a note (typed or handwritten) saying "Dear .... (fill in with addresse name), Here is my $30.00 payment to buy from you the Internet business report you are selling. Please e-mail me the Internet business report I have ordered and add me to your mailing list. Thank you," and include your name, mailing address, and e-mail address. IMPORTANT: DO NOT add anything else in the message, just these words only. B) Remove the name next to #1 at the top of the list and move the rest of the names up one position. Then place your name in the #4 spot. This is done by saving this to a file where you can edit the changes and enter it in your information on line #4. Be very careful when you type the addresses and proof read them. Don't include your e-mail address in the list, just give it to the person you are making the $30.00 payment to only. C) When you have completed the above instructions, e-mail the 200 letters. This letter has been proven perfectly legal as long as you follow the above instructions, because you are purchasing a product while joining membership in our exclusive mailing list. To mail this out over the Internet, you can browse through areas and find people to send this to all the time. All you have to do is cut and paste e-mail addressess wherever you are on the Internet. Remember, it doesn't cost anything to e-mail on the internet. FIFTY THOUSAND NEW PEOPLE GET ON THE INTERNET EVERY DAY! An excellent source of names is the people who send you other programs and the names listed on the letter they send you. An endless source is the FREE CLASSIFIEDS, there are thousands on the Net! Your contact source is UNLIMITED! Don't forget that the Ad boards scroll quickly so you must keep an eye on your Ads and make sure, that if they are gone, that you re-post them. You should also send them to people who s! end you their programs because they know these programs work and they are already believers in the system! D) Once the name next to #1 at the top of the list gets your $30.00 onetime only investment, this person will e-mail you the Internet business report, which is your purchase and the item making this program 100% legal. Save this report to a file because after you receive any of your $30.00 payments from all people joining this program then you will have to resell the Internet report by e-mailing it to them, in order to be legally entitled to keep the money as your legit profit off the sale. OKAY I KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING RIGHT NOW... ANOTHER CHAIN LETTER... NO-IT-IS-NOT... DO YOU SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT TELLS YOU THAT THE PERSON BREAKING THE CHAIN WILL SUFFER BAD LUCK!!! ----NO---- Keep in mind there is no limit to the amount of names you could send out. The more names you send, the more money you will make. We strongly encourage you to e-mail this letter to family and friends and to everyone you can think of as well. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000... and your name will be on everyone of them! Be patient, it took me six months to decide to join this program. The average time for people to make up their mind and decide to get into it is one week or so to really get up and going, but this time does come!!! Assume for example, that you get a 5% return rate, which is a very realistic figure. Both my first and second attempt were about that so it's not just a projected income, it's a fact. 1) When you e-mail out 200 letters, 10 people will send you $30.00 = $300 2) Those 10 people e-mail out 200 letters and 100 people send you $30.00 = $3,000 3) Those 100 people e-mail out 200 letters and 1,000 people send you $30.00 = $30,000 4) Those 1,000 people e-mail out 200 letters and 10,000 people send you $30.00 = $300,000 At this point, your name drops off the list. Think about it. With only four levels, you have received over $300,000!!! I think IT'S WORTH $30.00, don’t you? NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN! ************************************************************************* ***TRUE STORIES*** ************************************************************************* Jump on this today before it becomes saturated in the market place. It is now Brand New! I have been through this program 2 times already... you have no idea how profitable it is. It is definitely the fastest thing available. We are talking about $300,000 plus after three months ... more than $1,500,000 in the end!!! Send it to as many as you can (even though it says 200... trust me. I sent 1,000!) I've-bought a great home, a Corvette, a truck, taken the kids to Disneyworld, upgrated my CPU and quit my regular job to "retire" at 34 and play golf all day!.... you can't lose!! Don't JUDGE TOO quickly this the answer to all of your problems! Complete it in ONE HOUR and you will never forget the day you first received it... Ken Powell, Waco, Tx ************************************************************************* IT’S OUTRAGEOUS!!! With just two hours of work I have made over $300,000 in the last three months.. and my investment was just $30.00!!! I can't believe it! It has truly changed my life! I thank God for the day I received this letter! Don’t be afraid to make gifts to strangers--they’ll come back to you in ten-fold. So, let’s keep it going and help each other out in these tough and uncertain times... Susan Lee, Shreveport, La ************************************************************************* G'Day! I am an young girl from OZ. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to give it a burl in this plan. Bludger and conservative that I am, fearing I could sprung I finally decided that the initial investment wasn't exy at all and no way I was making a blue and wouldn't get enough response to at least get my money back. Woa, was I bloody doozey rapt when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with prezzy letters! For a while, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I have made more money in three months than any I could dream of and now I don't have to work anymore and can rage on my entire life!!! The beauty about this bizzo is that it doesn't matter where in the world you live! Too right there simply isn't a better fair dinkum investment with a faster return. Ripper!!! Sarah Yates, Melbourne, Vic (Australia) ************************************************************************* So I am here to tell you that I took the CHANCE OF A LIFETIME AND I DECIDED TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS AND INSTEAD OF EATING A FEW HAMBURGERS OR BUYING SOMETHING I DON'T NEED... I put that $30.00 where my FUTURE IS... and I was rewarded, OH MY!!! I Couldn't put up with the cash flowing in!!! $300,000 MORE STRONG! In just 3 months!!! This is more fun than winning at the Lottery! Because it's just luck in that case while here it's up to me to make it happen!!! Jeff Gray, Baltimore, Md ************************************************************************* ***CAN I DO IT AGAIN?*** ************************************************************************* OF COURSE YOU CAN--this plan is structured for everyone to send only 200 letters each. However, you are certainly not limited to 200. Mail out as many as you can. Every 200 letters you send has a return of $300,000 or more. If you can mail 400, 600, 800, or whatever, GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF IT! Anytime you run this program, just follow steps 1 thru 4 and everyone on your list benefits! Simple enough? You bet it is! This is no four marketing reports to order from 4 different people to get you going, it's an one-time purchase of one single e-mail report, much easier and faster to run! What's more, there are no mailing lists to buy (and wait for), and trips to the printer or copier, and you can do it again and again with your regular groups or gifters, or start up a new group. Each time you receive an MLM offer, respond with this letter! Your name will climb to the number one position at dizzying geometric rates. Follow the simple instructions, and above all, PLEASE PLAY FAIR. That’s THE KEY to this programs success. Your name must run the full gamut on the list to produce the end results. The only way this program can make good money is that each do their part. Unfortunately there are always some "smart" people that do not want to play fair. They add their name on top of the list and not mail anything to the person in the #1 position. These persons don't realize what they do to others might be done to them later. What comes around goes around ... SNEAKING YOUR NAME HIGHER UP ON THE LIST WILL NOT PRODUCE THE RESULTS YOU THINK, it only cheats the other people who have worked hard and have earned the right to be there and ultimately will ruin your chances to collect your money. So please, play by the rules and the $$$ will come to you! E-MAIL YOUR LETTERS OUT RIGHT NOW! *********************************************************************** ***TIPS FOR SUCCESS*** *********************************************************************** * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send the $30.00 for the report IMMEDIATELY so you will have it when the money start coming in because: When you receive a $30.00 order, you MUST send out the requested product / report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * BE PATIENT AND PERSISTENT WITH THIS PROGRAM. If you follow the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. GOOD LUCK!!! ************************************************************************ #1 Carmen Gonzalez 6240 S. Kedzie Ave. Apt. 204 Chicago, IL 60629 U.S.A. #2 MBE - Box 165 Via G. D' Annunzio 51 / 53 95128 Catania ITALY #3 P. C. E. Caixa Postal 96.868 Nova Friburgo - RJ 28.601-970 BRAZIL #4 Donna K. Boxleitner 3213 "B" 6th Street Lewiston, ID 83501 U.S.A. ************************************************************************ WITHOUT ACTION YOUR FUTURE CANNOT CHANGE! TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR FINANCIAL FUTURE NOW!! You probably don’t believe this will work, but if you don’t try it you will never know. That’s the way I felt. Try it. You will thank me for the rest of your life! ... As for me, this is my last shot. Of course I don't need anymore money now (thanks God!) as I am set for life, but I decided to take a final ride anyway in order to collect at least another $300,000 that I want to use to built a non profit foundation that will take care of the helpless third world children ... This is another dream I always wanted to accomplish and I feel the Big Man Upstairs that watches over us all will hopefully (with your support) help me (and you too!) to give back to the ones in more need of help like he has blessed me so far ... we can help others while taking care of ourselves and the ones we care most ... Isn't that wonderful? Isn't that what life is all about? ... IF YOU BUILD IT, (the 200 e-mails program) THEY WILL COME $$$ ... (the $300,000 I mean!!!) ... THINK ABOUT IT. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 17:13:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: izzy3@mediaone.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Church windows I saw today, and visiting Chicago Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:20:49 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun13.202049.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/11/99 10:58:22 PM Central Daylight Time, izzy3@mediaone.net writes: << An amazing example of Dalle de verre work can be seen at Resurrection Cemetery on route 171 just southwest of Chicago. This mausoleum is three stories tall and has an incredible curtain wall wrapping the entire building. Chicago and its surrounding suburbs are filled with art glass treasures. >> I was really happy to read your post as I work in the loop in Chicago and have seen some of these treasures but not all so thanks for the tips. Also there is a Tiffany mosaic dome located within Marshall Field and Co. on State Street at Madison and a couple blocks from there at First National Bank Plaza (on Dearborn) is a wonderful Chagall mosaic. Beginning this week we will also have 300 fiberglass cows (Yes- life size cows!) decorating our city some of which are finished in mosaic (various artists are using diverse techniques in finishing the cows for display). I feel very lucky to work in a city that has such an emphasis on art. It's great to be able to walk two blocks and spend my lunch break at the Art Institute! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 17:23:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:18:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:02:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.13234.0> Precedence: bulk Grinder tongs, I have been working over the months on doing more cutting and less grinding, thanks to Dani Greer. But when I do grind I just use my fingers to push the glass. (little cuts seem to be following shortly thereafter). Using the mail man finger cover thingies sounds good but not for me. I could never use gloves, just to much trouble. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves >Hi, >I've tried the grinder tongs - don't waste your money. I use them only when >I have the tiniest piece that there's no way I can hold onto it - and the >piece still flies out of the tongs never to be found again. IMHO, of course. > >Brenda > > << Or try those grinder tongs. They're kind of expensive and I haven't tried > them myself, but they look like a reasonable alternative. >> >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 17:25:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dumb things we have done. Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:40:01 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun13.21401.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/13/99 2:06:19 PM, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: >My students are always perplexed when I ask them - early on - to add >to their tool-kit either a pastry brush or a soft medium-broad paint >brush. >Now you know WHY!! What a great idea! (Geez, that tool bucket is getting awfully stuffed!) >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who are both wondering about your arrival in >UK in JULY!!!!??? DETAILS PLEASE!!) If you DO NOT very soon , I will >broadcast your REAL name to all in BUNGI. >HOWZAT for a threat and incentive!! ;-x Be warned - you do so at grave peril of being turned into a Toad by the one and only "Dr. Sparks, Witch Doctor"! <|:-) Phred (Sparks's Evil Twin) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 17:58:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Robert& Mary Mead??? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:07:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.12742.0> References: <<199906131520.PAA18841@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk I always thought Sue and Tracy were mother and daughter... Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 20:55:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stage coach reference material Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:58:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.10582.0> References: <<1999Jun5.121247.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi there, I've been slaving away on glass and not been on the computer for a couple of weeks....had about 200+ bungi messages waiting.. Pardon me please if I'm late diving into this string... Wells Fargo Bank has a website... www.wells-fargo.com You can probably find their logo pictured somewhere amongst all the hype. (They're my bank.) Regards, Cheryl Ryder in Calif. Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Cindy, > Wells Fargo is the original stage coach line. Try to hunt up their logo, > there must be a lot of things with that rendition on them for you to look at > to get an idea for your stage coach. > Good Luck, > Linda Jo > -----Original Message----- > From: Cindy Pesonen > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 11:32 AM > Subject: stage coach reference material > > > > > > >Hi Folks, > >I'm looking for some reference material on a stage coach (to be blasted on > >stone, not too detailed)....all I can find are carriages. > >Thanks in advance! > >Cindy... > >...yikes...haven't finished moving yet...but this this could lead to *more* > >on-going work...yipee!!! > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:18:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering with gloves Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:00:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.11038.0> References: <<1999Jun10.5373.0>> Precedence: bulk HI all, For soldering, I use the cotton gloves you get at the local hardware store.. the ones with the little black spots on them...they allow me to grip the piece I'm soldering, and the natural materials (100% cotton) doesn't melt when an occasional solder blob gets on them. I use latex when I'm applying patinas. Regards, Cheryl Ryder Tim & Adriana Atwood wrote: > Another of the very good reasons I wear cotton liners under the gloves. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Monica > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:45 AM > Subject: soldering with gloves > > >Hi Everyone, > > > >I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wear > >latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece of > >hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove, > >probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole idea > >is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:) > >Am I wrong? > >Monica > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:26:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Victorian clothing patterns Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.11302.0> References: <<1999Jun2.8228.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Libraries have books on Fashion & Design through the ages. I've made copies of the pictures for "period clothing." Also, at the Barnes & Noble and/or Borders Bookstores there are copyright-free graphic arts clip art books of period designs. You might find something useful in those items.. Good luck hunting.. Regards, Cheryl Ryder CA Glass Expressions wrote: > hello all! i'm looking for a couple of patterns- a simple banjo/ top hat > and cane/ and a lady in a hoop dress (i think is what thwy are called) > they just really need to be outloned for it will go into a stepping stone. > does anyone know where i may find any of these? I would greatly appreciate > any help- or how about a hat like they use to were with the hoop dresses? > looking for items to go with that era to use in stones or suncatchers.. > thanks you in advance for any help with these- ricky glass expressions > hope everyone is having a great day making glass-a wonderful feelong doing > what you love! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:27:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: protecting fingers while grinding Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:05:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.11539.0> References: <<1999Jun12.18158.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've been "down the lane" (and 'round the mulberry bush for our friends in the UK), with finger protection while grinding...and here's what I've used: 1) Delphi (in Lansing Michigan) sells a self-adhering gauze tape that you can wrap around your fingers...it's sort of like the bandanges they put on you in the hospital.. which, thank goodness you can now buy from Johnson & Johnson at the Rx store. Whenever I stick myself on a little piece of glass I always need one tiny Band-Aid to cover the cut and 4 yards of surgical tape to keep it in place as I continue to grind... 2) A Grinder's Mate (or Grinder Buddy). These things are GREAT. They're a spring-loaded gripper that holds even very small pieces of glass while you grind... They cost about $25 at the SG Retail stores... I bought one, and my husband liked it so much he monopolized it and so I had to go buy another. Regards, Cheryl Ryder Steve Richard wrote: > Shari, > > This is a good reminder to all of us that no loose things should > be used near rotating machinery. -- EVER > I would add that I think gloves while grinding is loose material > waiting to get caught. I'd use finger protectors, such as those used by > bank tellers to help count money. They work well. I don't use them > much though, as I find bare fingers better. > > Steve > > In message <1999Jun11.22554.0@?>, Shari Higbee > writes > >I try to remember to wear the latex gloves--especially when grinding. That's > >when I really eat up my fingers. (My husband does construction work and my > >hands are rougher than his...) But my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my > >finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps > >it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is > >attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not > >turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is not > >a good thing to do to motors. > > > >I agree with ... was it Dorothy?... it's time I focus on safety issues again > >for awhile! Either that or just quit doing glass in my sleep. :-) > >Shari > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:34:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: IAGC LONG BEACH SHOW / First Garden Stone Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.11403.0> References: <<375311D7.FCFEBABA@pobox.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Tracy, Sorry I've been away from the computer for a couple of weeks. You bet, and I'll be glad to say "hi to the city for you." I was just through her last weekend whilst on the road to a weekend campout in Willits (home of the Skunk Train for those who have never had the joy of riding a narrow guage railway through the incredibly lovely Redwood Forest.) The GGB (Golden Gate Bridge) is still towering over the SF Bay gateway, looking as beautiful as ever. If you ever come out this way for a visit, please let us know in advance and perhaps some of our local Bungians can use the occasion for a get-together. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder in SF Bay Area, CA Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann) wrote: > Fellow Bungian....I just read that you're in SF....I lived there about a third of > my life and I am sooooooo homesick right now! My family is in Minnesota and I > moved back here about 5 years ago. Please say "hey" to The City for me if you > think about it okay? > > meryder@pacbell.net wrote: > > > Wish I could have gone this year ...I'm in SF and it's so close. But family > > emergencies this weekend have cause cancellation of the trip... > > > > Speaking for myself, I'd love to hear a detailed report of all the "neat stuff" > > you > > see at the show !! > > > > Best regards, > > Cheryl Ryder > > > > EastGateXX@msn.com wrote: > > > > > Thanks to all who responded to my Where Oh Where Can My Bungi Be? message. > > > > > > I feel rejuvenated. > > > > > > Also, I'll be glad to write about the June IAGC- Long Beach Show. I'm > > > looking forward to going. > > > > > > Finally, (I think), I've been making my first Garden Stone. What a joke. I > > > thought it would be fun and easy and fast... "cause no foiling or > > > soldering!" ... I'd just cut the glass (the part I love to do) and throw > > > some cement on top of it and give it as a birthday gift. Easy, fast, and > > > fun. Right? Wrong. > > > > > > I spent all day yesterday re-cutting and GRINDING ALL the pieces... got to > > > have the space between he glass for the #*#(*^*& cement! Not to mention I > > > only have the originally of the pattern - which is now soaking WET from the > > > endless GRINDING I had to do (grinding, re-cutting, and grousing my life > > > away for 1/8" more fill line!!!). So, now I've got to figure out a way to > > > copy the distorted pattern onto the *&^*)*&^*&^ sticky paper. Not to > > > mention, which I AM MENTIONING, the gift is for TODAY... and I found out > > > that I've got to cure the (*^*&^%%$$$%# Garden Stone on pencils (???) for > > > 21 - TWENTY ONE days -- BEFORE sealing it! So much for a "quick, easy and > > > fun gift". > > > > > > The worse part - is -- and I mean the WORSE PART -- I've fallen in love with > > > it and now refuse to give it away! I cut a matching window (to foil and > > > solder) which will hang above it in MY GARDEN! > > > > > > Now... what to do in three hours as a GIFT for my very old and good friend? > > > Flowers? Candy?.... hehehehheheh > > > > > > Seriously, now that I know what I didn't know about Garden Stones... I'll > > > make more... MANY DAYS IN ADVANCE! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Lee Boe > > > To: EastGateXX@msn.com > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 10:38 AM > > > Subject: Re: Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Be? / IAGC Las Vegas Show > > > > > > > Some are here Alan, good to hear from you. I'm on the east coast so too > > > > far to go. (Sarasota, Florida) I'd love to hear after your June trip > > > > what all was there. Just real busy here. > > > > > > > > Lee Boe > > > > Rain-Boe's Creations > > > > > > > > EastGateXX@msn.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Friends Be? > > > > > > > > > > I've been averaging 1 bungi message a day for the past 4 days! > > > > > > > > > > I'm in WITHDRAW, real bad. (Never tried heroine -- but I assert this is > > > > > WORSE!) > > > > > > > > > > HEllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppp > > > > > meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. > > > > > > > > > > Going to International Art Glass Class Craft on Sunday June 13th in Long > > > > > Beach, CA .... I'm going on public day with the Venice Beach, CA based > > > > > Lighthouse Stained Glass group (They'll have a booth). Anyone else from > > > > > Bungi going? Represented? Care? > > > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > EastGateXX@msn.com > > > > > > > > > > "If silence be good for the wise, how much better for fools" Anonymous > > > > > > > > > > I'll be silent! C'ya.... > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:37:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: More cutting and lessw grinding?!!? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.152937.0> References: <<1999Jun13.13234.0>> Precedence: bulk I would love to know more about how you are able to do more cutting and less grinding! Please tell me more! -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher [mailto:andor@ilnk.com] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 16:03 To: BMarhon@aol.com Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves Grinder tongs, I have been working over the months on doing more cutting and less grinding, thanks to Dani Greer. But when I do grind I just use my fingers to push the glass. (little cuts seem to be following shortly thereafter). Using the mail man finger cover thingies sounds good but not for me. I could never use gloves, just to much trouble. Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:40:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:05:05 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun14.255.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/13/99 8:03:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BMarhon@aol.com writes: << Hi, I've tried the grinder tongs - don't waste your money. I use them only when I have the tiniest piece that there's no way I can hold onto it - and the piece still flies out of the tongs never to be found again. IMHO, of course. Brenda >> I use two hard rubber rectangle erasers to "hold" the glass. Makes a big difference for me. I use to cut my hands to pieces grinding, then I would have to foil, flux and solder. It would be a long time between projects for me, so my hands could heal. Dianne >^..^< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:42:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:14:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: dumb things... Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:04:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.12436.0> References: <<1999Jun10.12839.0>> Precedence: bulk I LOVE THIS...IT'S SO TRUE !! Regards, Cheryl Ryder CA rrk wrote: > ktsplash wrote: > > > Hi, All > > cracking up at shared dumb stuff, and thought I'd share with you the > > "Murphy's Law of Stained Glass", sent out by my supplier with their > > catalogue. Apologies if you've heard them > > > > MURPHY'S LAW OF STAINED GLASS > > > > Murphy's original Law: > > anything than can go wrong, will > > > > Solder Law: > > Hot Solder looks exactly like cold solder > > > > Breakage Law > > The number of bad breaks you get is directly proportional to the price of > > the glass > > > > Breakage Law 99 > > The number of bad breaks is in opposite proportion to the amount of glass on > > hand > > > > Breakage Law 999: > > The number of bad breaks is proportional to the distance from your Supplier > > > > Law of Studio Geometry > > Any horizontal surface is soon piled up > > At the most difficult (or messiest) point in construction of any project, > > the phone will ring. > > The moment your hands touch lead, flux or patina, extreme hunger pains will > > commence. > > Everyone knows someone who does glass.... cheaper. > > One lead joint will always be left unsoldered > > > > Replacement Law: > > The moment you replace a lost tool with a new one, you will find the > > original > > > > Installation Law: > > The time required to install is proportional to the number of people > > watching > > There is no such thing as a clean Stained Glass Window > > The number of people you didn't know were listening is proportional to the > > severity of the swear word used. > > Everything takes longer than you think > > Deadlines are always closer than you thought > > > > Installation Law 99: > > The tool you desperately need is back at the Studio > > Thanks for posting this .... GREAT post. > > Regards ..... Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:46:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Trade show review Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:09:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.12912.0> Precedence: bulk I attended the International Art Glass Suppliers Trade Show (Source '99) sponsored by the Art Glass Suppliers Association Int'l (AGSA) today in Long Beach, CA. My comments are just that- my comments. Others may well have widely different ideas of what they saw at the show. There were a large number of exhibitors and many stained glass related wholesalers were represented. Perhaps 60% of the exhibitiors were small players ranging from the inventor of Designer Glass Clips to small studios. Nearly everyone had product for direct sale such as suncatchers and stepping stones. There were several displays of Tiffany style lamp shades for sale at amazingly low prices. For the most part these lamps used quality glass and the workmanship was EXCELLENT. I would not consider buying these shades because I do not believe in abusing workers no matter what country they come from. I tell you- the day will come when these slave labor products are banned from the American market. I saw the new Spectrum multicored water glass. It is a hit! There is one blue/grey that is simply a must for water. Got to have it. Hakko has invented a fume trap that consists of a self contained vacuum/filter assembly that sits on the floor and is connected to a small articulated hood. It runs quietly and seemed to suck up soldering smoke well. Drawbacks are price (not established but) likely +$500.00, small size and operating cost for filters. Designer Glass Clips has invented a plastic clip that has more depth reach for use in securing glass in cabinet doors. There is also a new ingenious adjustable glass clip to fill out their line. Toyo has discovered different colors for their glass cutters but nothing else is known of their research. Cascade has finally come out with 1/2" flat H lead with an internal brass reinforcing strip to go with the other products in that line. I will have a case soon. Glastar sold a third B-12 Beveler to me. I must like them. I did not see any garden stakes and only a few beads and K-scopes. Nor did I see any mobiles. I saw glass inlayed garden benches from $1,400.00 to $1,600.00. I did not even consider buying. My partner said he would make the mold from plywood and a piece of bender board for $10.00 rather than pay the $90.00 asked for the mold. We were both very interested in the many fused objects shown. In our opinion, nothing, not one single thing, was very impressive. Only simple basic projects were seen. Even Spectrum which is making a big deal about the fusability of their glass (and it is excellent for fusing) only had simple strip bowls on display. It was a nice show but there was not much that was new to see. There were many classes offered but I had nothing to do with them. IMO, the smaller Glass Expo in Los Vegas a couple of months ago was just as good. If one is new to glass this show would have been a gold mine of ideas and things. ........ Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:53:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:19:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.181956.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, Wow, Thanks so much for the review, I feel as if I had gone. You are such a font of knowledge and so willing to share, which is so nice. Again thanks for all you bring to both groups. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; 2 Shirley's List Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 10:13 PM Subject: Trade show review >I attended the International Art Glass Suppliers Trade Show (Source '99) >sponsored by the Art Glass Suppliers Association Int'l (AGSA) today in Long >Beach, CA. My comments are just that- my comments. Others may well have >widely different ideas of what they saw at the show. > >There were a large number of exhibitors and many stained glass related >wholesalers were represented. Perhaps 60% of the exhibitiors were small >players ranging from the inventor of Designer Glass Clips to small studios. >Nearly everyone had product for direct sale such as suncatchers and stepping >stones. > >There were several displays of Tiffany style lamp shades for sale at >amazingly low prices. For the most part these lamps used quality glass and >the workmanship was EXCELLENT. I would not consider buying these shades >because I do not believe in abusing workers no matter what country they come >from. I tell you- the day will come when these slave labor products are >banned from the American market. > >I saw the new Spectrum multicored water glass. It is a hit! There is one >blue/grey that is simply a must for water. Got to have it. > >Hakko has invented a fume trap that consists of a self contained >vacuum/filter assembly that sits on the floor and is connected to a small >articulated hood. It runs quietly and seemed to suck up soldering smoke >well. Drawbacks are price (not established but) likely +$500.00, small size >and operating cost for filters. > >Designer Glass Clips has invented a plastic clip that has more depth reach >for use in securing glass in cabinet doors. There is also a new ingenious >adjustable glass clip to fill out their line. > >Toyo has discovered different colors for their glass cutters but nothing >else is known of their research. > >Cascade has finally come out with 1/2" flat H lead with an internal brass >reinforcing strip to go with the other products in that line. I will have a >case soon. > >Glastar sold a third B-12 Beveler to me. I must like them. > >I did not see any garden stakes and only a few beads and K-scopes. Nor did I >see any mobiles. > >I saw glass inlayed garden benches from $1,400.00 to $1,600.00. I did not >even consider buying. My partner said he would make the mold from plywood >and a piece of bender board for $10.00 rather than pay the $90.00 asked for >the mold. > >We were both very interested in the many fused objects shown. In our >opinion, nothing, not one single thing, was very impressive. Only simple >basic projects were seen. Even Spectrum which is making a big deal about the >fusability of their glass (and it is excellent for fusing) only had simple >strip bowls on display. > >It was a nice show but there was not much that was new to see. There were >many classes offered but I had nothing to do with them. IMO, the smaller >Glass Expo in Los Vegas a couple of months ago was just as good. If one is >new to glass this show would have been a gold mine of ideas and things. >........ Bob > >Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 21:58:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:28:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Color Test Try This One! Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:18:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.12180.0> References: <<1999Jun10.14334.0>> Precedence: bulk It was right-on for me too. I took the Max Luecher color test back in Psych 101 in college.... I had forgotten about it until now. It was interesting to see how accurate it is. Regards, Cheryl Ryder Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > Hi all, hope everyone is doing well this evening. > > For quite an interesting time take the color/personality test at: > http://www.colorquiz.com/ > > My results were everything that is true in my self. Very weird. > > Pam > > -- > > Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan > Moswood Mountain Ltd. > http://www.stainedglassartists.com/MM_Ltd.htm > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 22:00:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cows in Chicago? was Re: Church windows Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:25:28 -0700 Message-ID: <199906140125.SAA20429@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk > was really happy to read your post as I work in the loop in Chicago and >have seen some of these treasures but not all so thanks for the tips. Also Okay...now I'm curious. Sounds like you live in Chicago...an urban area according to my fuzzy grasp of eastern US geography...COWS??? COWS, she asks? I could see cows as being symbolic of perhaps Montana or Wisconsin (because of the cheese), but COWS in Chicago???? Thought Chicago's claim to fame was the wind... (or maybe the cows break wind? Phew). C. Still RUMINATING over that one! Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 22:05:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 8 little piggies Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:32:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.123240.0> References: <<1999Jun11.122520.0>> Precedence: bulk What, you mean everyone doesn't have a spouse (or S.O.) who LOVES to grind and foil for us ??? Golleee. I guess I'm just lucky then... Seriously, I don't know what I'd do if my husband didn't enjoy foiling. He really gets into it. He has these magnifiying lenses that are like a visor (we got them out of a catalog for cross-stitchery..called "White Birches" - $24.95). We have a special foam-backed plastic placement that cushions the pieces (Wal-Mart, 99 cents). He sits down, turns on the NASCAR races, and foils like a speed demon (pun intended.) He's taken up grinding just as avidly now that he's got his "Grinder's Mate." (fie on the "grinder tongs" I don't know what those are, but from the mail threads I've been reading on Bungi they sound awful.) The Grinder's Mate is blue, has a very powerful spring in it, and holds on to even the smallest pieces very tightly. I haven't cut my fingers on the grinder in months. Regards, Cheryl Ryder Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/10/99 10:17:26 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: > > >It helps > >if you publically talk about an obnoxious project with your > >friends, so as to keep it in the forefront of your conscience. > > And I suppose it can't hurt to have some fool working for you who doesn't > mind spending an occasional full day doing the no-brainer stuff like grinding > and foiling all those itty bitty pieces..........? :-) > > Sparks > (any resemblance to the abovementioned fool is, well, > somewhat more than mere coincidence.........) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 22:15:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:09:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.12951.0> References: <<1999Jun9.164253.0>> Precedence: bulk When I took my beginning class in Stained Glass and the time came "to solder" (drum roll here)...I was so nervous that I opened the bottle of Cutting Oil instead of Glasflux. I took me about 5 minutes to figure out what I'd done. It didn't help the embarrassment at the time to learn that, duh, I wasn't the first beginning student to have done this... Regards, Cheryl Ryder Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > My flux brush has gone into cutting oil (I put my flux and cutting oil in > small plastic cups that I toss when done), I have also put my soldering iron > into flux cup instead of holder when just not watching. :-) > Linda Jo > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Duchesneau > To: Bungi > Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done... > > >>>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into > >their > >coffee cup or iron stand?<< > > > >I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................ > Bob > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 22:26:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Linda Jo Letscher , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.173128.0> References: <<1999Jun13.13234.0>> Precedence: bulk > less grinding, thanks to Dani Greer. But when I do grind I just use >my fingers to push the glass. My favorite finger accessory is a neon frog band aide! ;o) T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 13 22:34:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:07:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "ML Eveland" , Subject: Re: More cutting and lessw grinding?!!? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:52:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.205231.0> Precedence: bulk I am working hard at doing my cuts better so I don't have to grind. I groz when I need to and only grind when I absolutely have to. Just trying to work better, and cutting better. Practice practice practice...... maybe I will make it to Cargnagie Hall and they will have me cut glass. Some of us were taught that you had to grind your glass as part of the procedure before foiling. I was taught eons ago when I first started glass, I had to grind, and just did what I was taught. But it seems that if you cut right, then you don't have to grind. I was told that the foil would not adhere if you didn't grind. Big fib..... So with encouragement from folks on this page I have just been trying to hone my cutting skills. I must say I have a dear friend that cuts all her glass with a ring saw. She doens't cut a piece of glass by hand at all. She does her cuts then grinds. So everyone has their own way. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: ML Eveland To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 12:42 AM Subject: More cutting and lessw grinding?!!? >I would love to know more about how you are able to do more cutting and less >grinding! Please tell me more! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Jo Letscher [mailto:andor@ilnk.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 16:03 >To: BMarhon@aol.com >Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves > >Grinder tongs, I have been working over the months on doing more cutting and >less grinding, thanks to Dani Greer. But when I do grind I just use my >fingers to push the glass. (little cuts seem to be following shortly >thereafter). Using the mail man finger cover thingies sounds good but not >for me. I could never use gloves, just to much trouble. >Linda Jo > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 02:43:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: northnet.org!frogplay From: "Pamela A. Gilbert" To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:13:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun13.221339.0> References: <<001d01beb60a$e6797400$e1e5fdd1@default>> Precedence: bulk Thank you for letting us know when different things are going on. It is important to get different people's ideas and share different things and different opinions. I love hearing about the different area in the country that do cool things, hopefully someday I will be able to venture to one of them. Pam G. Bob Duchesneau wrote: > I attended the International Art Glass Suppliers Trade Show (Source '99) > sponsored by the Art Glass Suppliers Association Int'l (AGSA) today in Long > Beach, CA. My comments are just that- my comments. Others may well have > widely different ideas of what they saw at the show. > > There were a large number of exhibitors and many stained glass related > wholesalers were represented. Perhaps 60% of the exhibitiors were small > players ranging from the inventor of Designer Glass Clips to small studios. > Nearly everyone had product for direct sale such as suncatchers and stepping > stones. > > There were several displays of Tiffany style lamp shades for sale at > amazingly low prices. For the most part these lamps used quality glass and > the workmanship was EXCELLENT. I would not consider buying these shades > because I do not believe in abusing workers no matter what country they come > from. I tell you- the day will come when these slave labor products are > banned from the American market. > > I saw the new Spectrum multicored water glass. It is a hit! There is one > blue/grey that is simply a must for water. Got to have it. > > Hakko has invented a fume trap that consists of a self contained > vacuum/filter assembly that sits on the floor and is connected to a small > articulated hood. It runs quietly and seemed to suck up soldering smoke > well. Drawbacks are price (not established but) likely +$500.00, small size > and operating cost for filters. > > Designer Glass Clips has invented a plastic clip that has more depth reach > for use in securing glass in cabinet doors. There is also a new ingenious > adjustable glass clip to fill out their line. > > Toyo has discovered different colors for their glass cutters but nothing > else is known of their research. > > Cascade has finally come out with 1/2" flat H lead with an internal brass > reinforcing strip to go with the other products in that line. I will have a > case soon. > > Glastar sold a third B-12 Beveler to me. I must like them. > > I did not see any garden stakes and only a few beads and K-scopes. Nor did I > see any mobiles. > > I saw glass inlayed garden benches from $1,400.00 to $1,600.00. I did not > even consider buying. My partner said he would make the mold from plywood > and a piece of bender board for $10.00 rather than pay the $90.00 asked for > the mold. > > We were both very interested in the many fused objects shown. In our > opinion, nothing, not one single thing, was very impressive. Only simple > basic projects were seen. Even Spectrum which is making a big deal about the > fusability of their glass (and it is excellent for fusing) only had simple > strip bowls on display. > > It was a nice show but there was not much that was new to see. There were > many classes offered but I had nothing to do with them. IMO, the smaller > Glass Expo in Los Vegas a couple of months ago was just as good. If one is > new to glass this show would have been a gold mine of ideas and things. > ........ Bob > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 04:20:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasscc To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Non-church stained glass in London Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990614053528.006a4d68@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk Hi group, and especially those of you from the UK, I will be visiting London in two weeks time, and I would like some suggestions for some "modern" or "non-traditional" stained glass sites to visit. I know about the ages old church window stuff, but I would like to see somethings that have been produced within the last century. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 05:47:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Cuts when grinding Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:32:02 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.7322.0> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Forgive me if this seems kind of obvious, but.... I got so sick of all those nasty little cuts, I started doing a real quick once over grind round the whole piece, before grinding harder on necessary edges. no more cuts! Katie Kariva Splash! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 06:07:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Re: cows in Chicago? was Re: Church windows Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:54:40 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun14.115440.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/14/99 1:01:31 AM, seaspray@island.net writes: >COWS in Chicago???? I don't know about in Chicago proper - I suspect they're "animalia non grata" after the Great Fire (which, according to legend, was started by a cow kicking a kerosene lantern and igniting the straw in the cow's stall), but there are plenty of cows in Illinois........... Sparks (no relation) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 07:10:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 06:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 8 little piggies Update 6/14/99 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:08:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.5849.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:meryder@pacbell.net >What, you mean everyone doesn't have a spouse (or S.O.) who LOVES to grind and foil for us ??? Golleee. I guess I'm just lucky then...< Nope. My hubby is not allowed into my store/studio unless accompanied by a responsible adult who gives him careful supervision. This was after his little accident Dec. 4th in which we spent 4 hours in the emergency room at our local hospital, getting his finger stitched up after a brush with one of the full sheets of glass in one of the storage bins. Not a good thing for a professional cellist to cut his finger. So...no my husband is quite uninterested in actually doing anything with glass. He's quite good at selling my work, but that's it. Update on the piggie lampshade project - The piggie fairy was in on Saturday (i.e. Sparks ran my shop while I was out at an outdoor craft fair). All pieces were foiled & the lampshade tack soldered in place on the mold. Yesterday (Sunday) I finished cutting & foiling some few missing pieces - did I mention we had a little accident with the pieces a while back and some were broken? Anyway...I've gotten about 25% of the front full soldered. Boy, I hate looking at this thing. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 08:24:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk!studio.stainedglass From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Non-church stained glass in London Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:19:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.161920.0> Precedence: bulk At 05:35 14/06/99 -0400, Joyce wrote: >I will be visiting London in two weeks time, and I would like some >suggestions for some "modern" or "non-traditional" stained glass sites to >visit. I know about the ages old church window stuff, but I would like to >see somethings that have been produced within the last century. Thanks in >advance for any suggestions. Try asking the secretary of the British Society of Master Glass Painters - http://www.bsmgp.org.uk. She would be able to point you to any new installations by the members and fellows of the society. EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 08:47:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: "ktsplash" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cuts when grinding Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:13:55 -0700 Message-ID: <199906141413.HAA28142@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Forgive me if this seems kind of obvious, but.... >I got so sick of all those nasty little cuts, I started doing a real quick >once over grind round the whole piece, before grinding harder on necessary >edges. >no more cuts! >Katie >Kariva Splash! Hi kt You'll find as you work more and more with glass your hands will toughen up to the point where you get thick enough calluses that the back side of the glass won't cut you. And...when was the last time you repositioned your grinder head...if you're pushing hard enough to cut yourself, either you're pushing too hard (trying to grind too fast) or your head is dull (the grinders, I mean...not yours). C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 09:07:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:19:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sales question Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:24:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.02449.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi group, As you all know I do stepping stones. I have my stones at a lovely garden art boutique 25 miles down the road. Now I have an owner(only open in the summer months)4 miles down the road, that wants my stones. Both of these stores are consignment. My question is: Are these two shops too close together for me to have product in both? Would I essentially be competting against myself? Or is this not a problem, because the cliental is different? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 09:57:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves Date: Mon Jun 14 08:03:59 1999 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.54159.0> References: <<1999Jun13.143632.0>> Precedence: bulk something that works for me, i hold the glass against the grinder bit with a popsicle stick.....or craft stick...or a small piece of wood. i haven't used the tongs, either, but the people that buy them from me love them....i also use the finger things like they use to count money...can get them at any office supple house debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 10:37 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! was Re: soldering w/gloves In a message dated 6/11/99 12:51:45 PM, shigbee@stmassociates.com writes: >my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my >finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps >it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is >attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not >turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is >not a good thing to do to motors. YIKES! Not a good thing to do to *fingers* either! While it's not likely, you could conceivably sprain or break a finger doing that, or get a nasty shock if the motor overloads and blows up on you. Never, *ever* let anything that's "loose" but attached to you - hair, clothing, ends of gloves, you name it - get anywhere *near* ANY power tool or operating machinery, no matter *how* "low power" you think it is. You're asking for disaster. If you feel you've just *gotta* protect your fingers, Band-Aids and waterproof adhesive tape are a lot safer. Make sure you get the real Johnson & Johnson adhesive tape though - the generic stuff doesn't stick as well (she said, speaking from experience of having on occasion preserved my fingers through several lo-o-o-o-ong days in a row of grinding, such as during the infamous Children's Hospital mosaic project). Or try those grinder tongs. They're kind of expensive and I haven't tried them myself, but they look like a reasonable alternative. But rubber gloves? No way! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 10:12:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:17:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 8 little piggies Update 6/14/99 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:04:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.3432.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks--will you come play in my neighborhood for awhile? I have a couple of grim projects that I don't believe I'll ever finish, unless a little fairy shows up and helps... :o) (And I won't even refer to you as the "piggie fairy"! ) Shari -----Original Message----- >Update on the piggie lampshade project - The piggie fairy >was in on Saturday (i.e. Sparks ran my shop while I was out >at an outdoor craft fair). All pieces were foiled & the lampshade >tack soldered in place on the mold. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 10:29:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cuts when grinding Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:44:49 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun14.154449.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/14/99 8:51:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ktsplash@mpx.com.au writes: << Forgive me if this seems kind of obvious, but.... I got so sick of all those nasty little cuts, I started doing a real quick once over grind round the whole piece, before grinding harder on necessary edges. no more cuts! Katie Kariva Splash! >> Yes, I do this too. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 10:37:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun14.2551.0> References: <<3764F1F3.11013CBC@northnet.org>> Precedence: bulk In addition to Bob's review (wish I had met him) there were several additional items that I found interesting. The first item that I had to have was a silver clay set that you fuse to 1600 degrees and can either use it to cast sterling silver items or to frame pendants and earrings. For $89 I got a book on how to do it and three samples of the silver clay. One is clay like, one comes in a syringe, and one comes as a "paste". I am anxious to try this out. Another item that I saw new is a scotch-tape like substance that when applied to glass makes it look like a bevel. Unbelievable but it really looked good. There was a special cutter to ensure you cut the tape just right for the different shape of the bevel and it looked very expensive. I didn't even ask the price. This was an international trade show and the folk from Germany had set up a booth displaying minature shades...they had just about all of the traditional Tiffany shades no more than 6-8 inches across the bottom. They also had lamp bases that matched. The lamp shade forms were much like the Odyssey forms. The Japanese brought lanterns. They are similar to the Clarity lantern kits (discontinued) but the bases have a Japanese flavor and are much larger. They had a full display of lanterns with bases about 12 inches across and the four sides were about 20-24 inches high. Vicky Payne was there with a new videotape on fusing with Jayne Persico. Kay Bain Weinner was there demonstrating decorative soldering. A newcomer Lisa Vogt was signing a new pattern book, Tropical Teasers. Studio One had a lot of plated suncatchers. I asked them if they did plating but was told only for their studio. Royalty (Terry Knudsen) from Colorado Springs said they would accept items to get plated. Lot of tee shirts (I came home with 6). Austin Thin Film was passing out dichoric samples. And that's about all I can remember. I agree with Bob, the Las Vegas show was a little more manageable in terms of seeing demos and learning more how-to-do-its. It was a really thrilling experience to have the opportunity to attend. If anyone has the opportunity, you should certainly take advantage of it and plan to spend more than one day. That's so you can go back and see if you've missed anything the first time around. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 10:51:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dalle de verre Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:59:55 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199906141603.LAA23525@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd mention that when I visited the Kokomo factory a couple of months ago, they had some. The tour guide said there has been an increase in interest in Dalles and they are making more of them. I only saw one color and I think they were about $10/12 each. It was also kind of fun to walk through the room with the crates ready for shipment and see familiar names like Warner-Criv alongside crates bound for exotic overseas ports.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 11:00:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: COWS IN CHICAGO Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:04:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.8429.0> Precedence: bulk A bit of useless information. Back at the turn of the century many of the beef slaughter houses for the mid-west were in Chicago. My Grandmother used to tell me stories of the smell, as they slaughtered probably back then 100's of thousands of cows a year. (can you imagine oh ick!!) Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 11:19:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Competing with self - stepping stones Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:28:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.122844.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley, congratulations. From a marketing standpoint I think it makes all the sense in the world to be in both. 1. Someone could very well be a customer of both stores, but you know those shopping decisions can be tough! Maybe they don't buy at first store, but see your stones again and buy. Repetition is a very important part of marketing your product. 2. Second, you are absolutely right, the clientele could well be different, so you've tapped a second market. 3. Third - you have networked with a different business owner and that can always grow to other connections. Best of luck - please let us know how it works. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 12:23:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:03:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vincent LaGreca" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sales question Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.105619.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley: I have to assume you live in a rural area if the two outlets are 20 +/- miles apart and are within the same market. In any case I wouldn't hesitate to keep them in both places. It's better for you to be in competition with yourself rather than be with someone else stones. Ciao Vic -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 12:33 PM Subject: Sales question >Hi group, >As you all know I do stepping stones. I have my stones at a lovely >garden art boutique 25 miles down the road. Now I have an owner(only >open in the summer months)4 miles down the road, that wants my stones. >Both of these stores are consignment. My question is: Are these two >shops too close together for me to have product in both? Would I >essentially be competting against myself? Or is this not a problem, >because the cliental is different? >Thanks in advance. >Shirley B >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 13:21:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: meryder@pacbell.net Subject: Re: protecting fingers while grinding Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:05:16 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.21516.0> References: <<1999Jun13.11539.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Another little tip for grinding is to give all edges of the glass a light grind to remove sharp edges that you might have missed in wiping the cut edges (of the glass you keep and the waste together) before you get down to serious grinding. This avoids those painful little cuts on the tips of your fingers and is why my finger protectors rarely get used. Steve In message <1999Jun13.11539.0@?>, meryder@pacbell.net writes >Hi all, > >I've been "down the lane" (and 'round the mulberry bush for our friends in the >UK), >with finger protection while grinding...and here's what I've used: > >1) Delphi (in Lansing Michigan) sells a self-adhering gauze tape that you can >wrap >around your fingers...it's sort of like the bandanges they put on you in the >hospital.. >which, thank goodness you can now buy from Johnson & Johnson at the Rx store. >Whenever I stick myself on a little piece of glass I always need one tiny >Band-Aid >to cover the cut and 4 yards of surgical tape to keep it in place as I continue >to >grind... > >2) A Grinder's Mate (or Grinder Buddy). These things are GREAT. They're a >spring-loaded gripper that holds even very small pieces of glass while you >grind... >They cost about $25 at the SG Retail stores... I bought one, and my husband >liked it so much he monopolized it and so I had to go buy another. > >Regards, >Cheryl Ryder > >Steve Richard wrote: > >> Shari, >> >> This is a good reminder to all of us that no loose things should >> be used near rotating machinery. -- EVER >> I would add that I think gloves while grinding is loose material >> waiting to get caught. I'd use finger protectors, such as those used by >> bank tellers to help count money. They work well. I don't use them >> much though, as I find bare fingers better. >> >> Steve >> >> In message <1999Jun11.22554.0@?>, Shari Higbee >> writes >> >I try to remember to wear the latex gloves--especially when grinding. That's >> >when I really eat up my fingers. (My husband does construction work and my >> >hands are rougher than his...) But my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my >> >finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps >> >it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is >> >attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not >> >turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is not >> >a good thing to do to motors. >> > >> >I agree with ... was it Dorothy?... it's time I focus on safety issues again >> >for awhile! Either that or just quit doing glass in my sleep. :-) >> >Shari >> > >> > >> >---- >> >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> -- >> Steve Richard >> Verrier Art Glass Ltd >> s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 13:39:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:55:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'bungi'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: Sales question Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:48:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.114852.0> Precedence: bulk conversely, some shop owners will want an exclusive market for your items. if you attempt to sell your product within that area, you may be dropped from their line. i'd check with them first. you then have to make a decision as to which market you'd like to be in, and perhaps they'd be willing to pay you a little bit extra for that exclusiveness. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: Vincent LaGreca [mailto:vlg@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:56 AM To: Shirley Balloch Subject: Re: Sales question Shirley: I have to assume you live in a rural area if the two outlets are 20 +/- miles apart and are within the same market. In any case I wouldn't hesitate to keep them in both places. It's better for you to be in competition with yourself rather than be with someone else stones. Ciao Vic -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 12:33 PM Subject: Sales question >Hi group, >As you all know I do stepping stones. I have my stones at a lovely >garden art boutique 25 miles down the road. Now I have an owner(only >open in the summer months)4 miles down the road, that wants my stones. >Both of these stores are consignment. My question is: Are these two >shops too close together for me to have product in both? Would I >essentially be competting against myself? Or is this not a problem, >because the cliental is different? >Thanks in advance. >Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 15:52:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:03:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cheap lamp shades wasTrade show review Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:00:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.8011.0> Precedence: bulk One of the companies is home based in the Chek Republic (no offense for miss spelling but the catalog I picked up does not spell out the country of origin nor does the site http://www.tgk.de lead me to believe it is German). I suspect all the mass produced lamps that I saw were made in China. Please do not get me wrong. I have no problem with buying Chinese or other foreign products that are legal for sale in the US. But when I see a well made lamp shade of +500 pieces for sale for $64.00 I know something is wrong and will not support it. Ten years ago and before there were a lot of Tiffany knock offs that were constructed from cheap glass and often showed poor workmanship. Uneven foiling, chipped glass, crooked seams of varying width and poor soldering were often the hallmarks. No so much anymore. The lamps that I have been seeing often have quality glass and workmanship of the highest order. $200.00 will get you a shade that in some respects is superior to a Tiffany. I say this because some origional Tiffanies that I have seen are on the dark side and the new knock offs are lighter and, to me, more pleasing. I suppose a case could be made that the cheap shades should be bought because the people that make fifteen cents an hour might starve otherwise. I don't buy it. It is NOT a matter of shutting out the competation but a matter of human decency. I like a bargain more than most people but do have a basic sence of fairness. Something is wrong with these lamp shades and I will have nothing to do with selling them or businesses that do sell them. ................... Bob -----Original Message----- From: rrk To: Bob Duchesneau Cc: Bungi ; 2 Shirley's List Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Trade show review >Bob Duchesneau wrote: > >> There were several displays of Tiffany style lamp shades for sale at >> amazingly low prices. For the most part these lamps used quality glass and >> the workmanship was EXCELLENT. I would not consider buying these shades >> because I do not believe in abusing workers no matter what country they come >> from. I tell you- the day will come when these slave labor products are >> banned from the American market. > >Thanks for the review Bob. Well done. > >As a clarification, did you happen to notice the country(s) of origin for these >inexpensive lamps? Only the People's Republic or were there other countries >involved? > >Regards ..... Bob > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 17:22:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B55B522217DA61BA58DE661E" Subject: [Fwd: A KODAK mOMENT] Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.151528.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B55B522217DA61BA58DE661E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is too cute not to share. --------------B55B522217DA61BA58DE661E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail4.bellsouth.net (mail4.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.4]) by mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06170 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.on.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com [24.2.9.66]) by mail4.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20473 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.112.103.16]) by mail.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990614205858.GNIY28727.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@home.com>; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:58:58 -0700 Message-ID: <37656D52.B8F04E4D@home.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:00:02 -0400 From: Jack Carrington Organization: @home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jnks98@yahoo.com" , Douglas Cater , "pncford@sunline.net" , Rita Tidwell Subject: A KODAK mOMENT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Kodak Moment When a mother saw a thunderstorm forming in midafternoon, she worried about her seven-year-old daughter who would be walking the three blocks from school to home. She decided to meet her. As the mother saw her walking nonchalantly along the side of the street, she note her stopping to smile whenever lightning flashed. Glimpsing at her mother, the little girl ran to her, explaining enthusiastically, "All the way home, God's been taking my picture!" --------------B55B522217DA61BA58DE661E-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 17:50:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cheap lamp shades wasTrade show review Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.92520.0> References: <<1999Jun14.8011.0>> Precedence: bulk The main problems I have with leaded glass imports from China and Mexico are: 1) They can only afford to sell it so cheap that it has to have been made by terribly underpaind cottage and/or prison labor 2) Heaven help their environment for they have no laws (or no enforcement) regarding Haz Mat dumping. I wouldn't want to eat the fish from the rivers local to the glass factories. Purchasing these imported products is supporting that sort of business. P.S. I recently read an article in a Glass Mag which gave the production numbers and destinations of glass product - in hundreds of thousands of tons - from Bullseye, Uroboros, Armstrong, Kokomo and Spectrum. Would it surprise anyone that the greatest tonnage is exported to China? Regards, Cheryl Ryder Bob Duchesneau wrote: > One of the companies is home based in the Chek Republic (no offense for miss > spelling but the catalog I picked up does not spell out the country of > origin nor does the site http://www.tgk.de lead me to believe it is German). > I suspect all the mass produced lamps that I saw were made in China. > > Please do not get me wrong. I have no problem with buying Chinese or other > foreign products that are legal for sale in the US. But when I see a well > made lamp shade of +500 pieces for sale for $64.00 I know something is wrong > and will not support it. > > Ten years ago and before there were a lot of Tiffany knock offs that were > constructed from cheap glass and often showed poor workmanship. Uneven > foiling, chipped glass, crooked seams of varying width and poor soldering > were often the hallmarks. No so much anymore. The lamps that I have been > seeing often have quality glass and workmanship of the highest order. > $200.00 will get you a shade that in some respects is superior to a Tiffany. > I say this because some origional Tiffanies that I have seen are on the dark > side and the new knock offs are lighter and, to me, more pleasing. > > I suppose a case could be made that the cheap shades should be bought > because the people that make fifteen cents an hour might starve otherwise. I > don't buy it. It is NOT a matter of shutting out the competation but a > matter of human decency. I like a bargain more than most people but do have > a basic sence of fairness. Something is wrong with these lamp shades and I > will have nothing to do with selling them or businesses that do sell them. > ................... Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: rrk > To: Bob Duchesneau > Cc: Bungi ; 2 Shirley's List > Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: Trade show review > > >Bob Duchesneau wrote: > > > >> There were several displays of Tiffany style lamp shades for sale at > >> amazingly low prices. For the most part these lamps used quality glass > and > >> the workmanship was EXCELLENT. I would not consider buying these shades > >> because I do not believe in abusing workers no matter what country they > come > >> from. I tell you- the day will come when these slave labor products are > >> banned from the American market. > > > >Thanks for the review Bob. Well done. > > > >As a clarification, did you happen to notice the country(s) of origin for > these > >inexpensive lamps? Only the People's Republic or were there other > countries > >involved? > > > >Regards ..... Bob > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 17:54:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Odyssey Lamp Question Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun14.93358.0> Precedence: bulk I have a question regarding the brass rim on the Odyssey lamp Apple Blossom Pattern (my own little 8 piggy project)I am finally completing. Does the rim go around the outside of the shades as it sits flat on the bench, or on the bottom edge as it sits upside down on the bench? I have read the instruction book 4 or 5 times and still can't figure it out. It is not worded very clearly (mental block?) so any help would be appreciated. I want to get this *%$#&* shade done!!! Thanks, Rick === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 18:08:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:33:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: COWS IN CHICAGO Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:32:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990614173200.009605a0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun14.8429.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:04 PM 6/14/99 -0400, Linda Jo wrote: >A bit of useless information. Back at the turn of the century many of the >beef slaughter houses for the mid-west were in Chicago. My Grandmother used >to tell me stories of the smell, as they slaughtered probably back then >100's of thousands of cows a year. >(can you imagine oh ick!!) >Linda Jo > You don't have to go back to the turn of the century...in the 50s and early 60s driving past Chicago's south side could still be an aromatic adventure. Nowadays, I can relive that childhood experience by driving toward LA on Interstate 5, which runs right past Harris ranch for a nauseating mile or two. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 18:25:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:58:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.35829.0> References: <<1999Jun13.12912.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > There were several displays of Tiffany style lamp shades for sale at > amazingly low prices. For the most part these lamps used quality glass and > the workmanship was EXCELLENT. I would not consider buying these shades > because I do not believe in abusing workers no matter what country they come > from. I tell you- the day will come when these slave labor products are > banned from the American market. Thanks for the review Bob. Well done. As a clarification, did you happen to notice the country(s) of origin for these inexpensive lamps? Only the People's Republic or were there other countries involved? Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 18:41:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:34:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Color Test Try This One! Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:21:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990614172112.0095c160@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun10.14334.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:33 PM 6/10/99 -0700, Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: >Hi all, hope everyone is doing well this evening. > >For quite an interesting time take the color/personality test at: >http://www.colorquiz.com/ > >My results were everything that is true in my self. Very weird. > >Pam > I finally got around to taking this test and was prepared to be unimpressed. I don't have the vaguest idea how it works or if it really does works, but I have to agree with Pam...very weird. It told me about my current situation more accurately than I could have described it myself. Does anyone know the emoticon for the theme from the Twilight Zone? Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 19:29:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: seaspray@island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cows in Chicago? was Re: Church windows Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:03:56 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun15.1356.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/14/99 12:01:31 AM Central Daylight Time, seaspray@island.net writes: << Okay...now I'm curious. Sounds like you live in Chicago...an urban area according to my fuzzy grasp of eastern US geography...COWS??? COWS, she asks? I could see cows as being symbolic of perhaps Montana or Wisconsin (because of the cheese), but COWS in Chicago???? Thought Chicago's claim to fame was the wind... (or maybe the cows break wind? Phew). >> Well actually it is true that cows breaking wind lead to high levels of methane in our atmosphere so you might have something there, AND Chicago was nicknamed the windy city not because of actual wind but because of its windy politicians! But really one of our local politicians saw an exhibit of these cows in Switzerland and saw that it had increased their tourism immensely. The estimate is that over 1 million additional tourists will come to Chicago because of the cows! It starts tomorrow and I'll be at the opening tomorrow morning as it's only three blocks from my office. Should be interesting! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 19:56:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Rick" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Odyssey Lamp Question Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:20:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.122018.0> Precedence: bulk It would seem to go on the bottom. The diameter of the rim is too large to fit inside???? I for one do NOT use the rim,as it is hard to get a smooth and uniform edge. ONLY my $.02.enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 20:03:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Color Test Try This One! Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:59:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.175944.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990614172112.0095c160@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk Steve Wernecke wrote: > > At 09:33 PM 6/10/99 -0700, Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > >Hi all, hope everyone is doing well this evening. > > > >For quite an interesting time take the color/personality test at: > >http://www.colorquiz.com/ > > > >My results were everything that is true in my self. Very weird. > > > >Pam > > > > I finally got around to taking this test and was prepared to be > unimpressed. I don't have the vaguest idea how it works or if it really > does works, but I have to agree with Pam...very weird. It told me about my > current situation more accurately than I could have described it myself. > > Does anyone know the emoticon for the theme from the Twilight Zone? > > Steve > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah, but what information did'nt apply? those kinds of answers make sure to cover all bases. people see what they want to see. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 14 22:54:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: andor@ilnk.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: searching for pattern Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:10:32 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun15.51032.0> Precedence: bulk <<>> Linda Jo: Don't take this personally, but, no kidding. I design each of my retail patterns. Often people on Bungi are looking for specific things that they #1, are not sure what they look like, or #2, need quickly (ie: quick gift for a friend visiting from out of state), etc. I have found that most people in Bungiland like to help each other out with ideas and sources. Sorry, but you just really sounded like my grandmother in your post! :-) Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 05:05:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:30:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dialnet.net!rognstad From: rognstad@dialnet.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: foiling machines Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:24:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.12437.0> Organization: Marvin's Brain Precedence: bulk I bought a Glastar foiler at my local shop yesterday afternoon and I really like it. The first couple of pieces I foiled were disasters and I had to redo them, but it didn't take long to realise that the foiler had real potential. Foiling has always been my least favorite part of the process. There's kind of a Zen-like thing about scoring and breaking the glass and I can get quite intent on that shiny bead of solder, but foiling is just plain boring. And I'm so slow! Even as a rank novice I foiled in about one hour with the foiler what normally would have taken close to two. I did discover that heavier foil - .00015 - works much better than the thinner stuff; the machine seems to stretch the .0001 foil and crinkle up the edges. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 05:19:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:36:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dialnet.net!rognstad From: rognstad@dialnet.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: piggies Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.12654.0> Organization: Marvin's Brain Precedence: bulk >From now on I will always think of my UFOs (unfinished objects) as piggy projects! J.D. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 06:04:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!GacicA From: GacicA@cs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: COWS IN CHICAGO Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:00:08 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun15.1208.0> Precedence: bulk Some more info. My step dad worked in the meat packing industry in Chicago, and to this day he is unable to eat hamburger or hotdogs Alex Gacic At 12:04 PM 6/14/99 -0400, Linda Jo wrote: >A bit of useless information. Back at the turn of the century many of the >beef slaughter houses for the mid-west were in Chicago. My Grandmother used >to tell me stories of the smell, as they slaughtered probably back then >100's of thousands of cows a year. >(can you imagine oh ick!!) >Linda Jo > You don't have to go back to the turn of the century...in the 50s and early 60s driving past Chicago's south side could still be an aromatic adventure. Nowadays, I can relive that childhood experience by driving toward LA on Interstate 5, which runs right past Harris ranch for a nauseating mile or two. Steve ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 06:26:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:46:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:31:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun14.223154.0> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Well, I promised that I, too, would review the IAGS Trade Show in Long Beach, CA. After reading Bob's review I decided I didn't have too. But, after all I did promise. Besides, I figure I'm coming from a different training/status level then Bob. So here goes: The trade show was great. Thanks, KIDDING!!! HERE GOES: This was my first stained glass show. I was fortunate enough to have signed up to go by van with other students/customers of Lighthouse Stained Glass in Venice, CA. 12 of us went. Besides getting to know other people on the hour ride to Long Beach, we had the benefit of being TRAPPED at the show. I'll explain. If I had gone on my own, I would have walked through the show once... I would have been overwhelmed (as I was) by the INCREDIBLE objet d'arte and been INTIMIDATED by the "SHOW PEOPLE" and would have gone home. But, having to stay until 2:30 to meet the van to go home (arriving @ 11am) made it impossible for me NOT to examine each and every booth. I even had to fill the time MEETING PEOPLE! (Not as scary as it sounds - I found out) So, I got to get over my Overwhelm and started learning and listening and smiling and laughing and BOUGHT STUFF! Since, Bob already described most of the great things I don't have much to add... except.... if you get a chance to go... go! Meet people - talk learn.... Oh, right, I watched three demo sessions of the Morton System... which I had bought 6 months ago, and never used except for straight lines... I came home after my free lessons and started fixing all my irregular diamonds and squares in a glass panel I was dreading to work on cause it was so messed up. What would have taken me no less than three hours of frustration -- I did in 45 minutes! No kidding. So, again... go if you can. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi ; 2 Shirley's List Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 7:09 PM Subject: Trade show review > I attended the International Art Glass Suppliers Trade Show (Source '99) > sponsored by the Art Glass Suppliers Association Int'l (AGSA) today in Long > Beach, CA. My comments are just that- my comments. Others may well have > widely different ideas of what they saw at the show. > > There were a large number of exhibitors and many stained glass related > wholesalers were represented. Perhaps 60% of the exhibitiors were small > players ranging from the inventor of Designer Glass Clips to small studios. > Nearly everyone had product for direct sale such as suncatchers and stepping > stones. > > There were several displays of Tiffany style lamp shades for sale at > amazingly low prices. For the most part these lamps used quality glass and > the workmanship was EXCELLENT. I would not consider buying these shades > because I do not believe in abusing workers no matter what country they come > from. I tell you- the day will come when these slave labor products are > banned from the American market. > > I saw the new Spectrum multicored water glass. It is a hit! There is one > blue/grey that is simply a must for water. Got to have it. > > Hakko has invented a fume trap that consists of a self contained > vacuum/filter assembly that sits on the floor and is connected to a small > articulated hood. It runs quietly and seemed to suck up soldering smoke > well. Drawbacks are price (not established but) likely +$500.00, small size > and operating cost for filters. > > Designer Glass Clips has invented a plastic clip that has more depth reach > for use in securing glass in cabinet doors. There is also a new ingenious > adjustable glass clip to fill out their line. > > Toyo has discovered different colors for their glass cutters but nothing > else is known of their research. > > Cascade has finally come out with 1/2" flat H lead with an internal brass > reinforcing strip to go with the other products in that line. I will have a > case soon. > > Glastar sold a third B-12 Beveler to me. I must like them. > > I did not see any garden stakes and only a few beads and K-scopes. Nor did I > see any mobiles. > > I saw glass inlayed garden benches from $1,400.00 to $1,600.00. I did not > even consider buying. My partner said he would make the mold from plywood > and a piece of bender board for $10.00 rather than pay the $90.00 asked for > the mold. > > We were both very interested in the many fused objects shown. In our > opinion, nothing, not one single thing, was very impressive. Only simple > basic projects were seen. Even Spectrum which is making a big deal about the > fusability of their glass (and it is excellent for fusing) only had simple > strip bowls on display. > > It was a nice show but there was not much that was new to see. There were > many classes offered but I had nothing to do with them. IMO, the smaller > Glass Expo in Los Vegas a couple of months ago was just as good. If one is > new to glass this show would have been a gold mine of ideas and things. > ........ Bob > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 06:48:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Twilight Zone, was Re: Color Test Try This One! Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:18:29 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun15.121829.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/14/99 9:42:25 PM, steve@villagesoftsmith.com writes: >Does anyone know the emoticon for the theme from the Twilight Zone? I dunno if there's an emoticon for it, but I used to belong to a (music-related) list where people invoked it pretty often. Over there it's spelled "ni-ni ni-ni, ni-ni ni-ni......" Hope that helps! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 07:03:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: "'Witchdoc3@aol.com'" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: NG Re: cows in Chicago? was Re: Church windows Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.43238.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEB72B.278A6C94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The cow has been acquitted. A few years back the American Government funded some research into the question. >From eyewitness reports and other documents it was determined that the fire did not really start in Mrs. O'Leary's barn. Nice to know the government is not wasting our tax dollars. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 7:55 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: NG Re: cows in Chicago? was Re: Church windows In a message dated 6/14/99 1:01:31 AM, seaspray@island.net writes: >COWS in Chicago???? I don't know about in Chicago proper - I suspect they're "animalia non grata" after the Great Fire (which, according to legend, was started by a cow kicking a kerosene lantern and igniting the straw in the cow's stall), but there are plenty of cows in Illinois........... Sparks (no relation) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEB72B.278A6C94 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NG Re: cows in Chicago? was Re: Church windows

The cow has been acquitted.
A few years back the American = Government funded some research into the question.
From eyewitness reports and other = documents it was determined that the fire did not really start in Mrs. = O'Leary's barn.

Nice to know the government is not = wasting our tax dollars.

Vic M.


      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   = Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com]
      Sent:   Monday, June 14, 1999 7:55 AM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
      Subject:       = NG Re: cows in Chicago? was Re: = Church windows


      In a message dated 6/14/99 1:01:31 AM, = seaspray@island.net writes:

      >COWS in Chicago????

      I don't know about in Chicago proper - = I suspect they're "animalia non grata"
      after the Great Fire (which, = according to legend, was started by a cow
      kicking a kerosene lantern and = igniting the straw in the cow's stall), but
      there are plenty of cows in = Illinois...........


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------_=_NextPart_001_01BEB72B.278A6C94-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 07:23:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:27:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Odyssey Lamp Question Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:25:44 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun15.122544.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/14/99 8:55:17 PM, rwl50@yahoo.com writes: >Does the rim go around the outside of the shades as it >sits flat on the bench, or on the bottom edge as it >sits upside down on the bench? Are you referring to a flanged ring that fits around the top edge? if so, I recall seeing an illustration where they put the ring on the mold first (flanged side to the inside) and started piecing from there rather then attaching the ring last. It seemed to make a lot of sense to me. And while we're on the subject, has anyone out there ever used the lamp molds (from Rainbow? I forget) where you assemble the shade on the *inside* of the mold? The manufacturer claims it gives a smoother outer surface to the finished lamp. I'd think it would be a real pain to fit the pieces properly. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 07:35:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!palewellyn From: Pati Lewellyn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: microwave kilns Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun14.224127.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if "Microwave kilns" are still available? Saw one years ago before opening my shop, but can't find a distributor who knows about them. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 09:04:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Odyssey Lamp Question Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.0428.0> References: <<1999Jun14.93358.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Rick, I've built them. In fact, am building the 22" "Elaborate Peony" as we speak. The brass ring goes "on" the bottom (not inside or outside). It fits into an indentation in the mold usually... If you put the ring in it's groove on the mold you can see how it fits right in there. and then the bottom row of pieces come right down to it. I keep the ring there while I'm cutting, grinding, fitting, and foiling. Usually the rings are used only on "even bottom" lampshades. Irregular bottom shades require 12 guage copper wire to be bent and fitted up and down and around the bottom row of pieces. (I helped a good friend do this for her Odessy Laburnum lampshade last year.), While the ring is still in place on the mold I flat solder up to (but not onto) the ring. Then, when I've finished my sections (sometimes halves on a small lamp, in thirds on a larger lamp, and sometimes top and bottom..so as to remove them from the mold), I reassemble them by soldering the adjoining seams, solder on the top ring, then turn it upside down and solder on the bottom ring. Once the rings are on, the shade has enough stability for me to continue to full solder the inside, and then back to the outside for beading all the solder lines. Let me know how it goes....which Apple Blossom Odessey pattern are you making? Best Regards, Cheryl Ryder Rick wrote: > I have a question regarding the brass rim on the > Odyssey lamp Apple Blossom Pattern (my own little 8 > piggy project)I am finally completing. > > Does the rim go around the outside of the shades as it > sits flat on the bench, or on the bottom edge as it > sits upside down on the bench? > > I have read the instruction book 4 or 5 times and > still can't figure it out. It is not worded very > clearly (mental block?) so any help would be > appreciated. I want to get this *%$#&* shade done!!! > > Thanks, > > Rick > > === > http://home.fuse.net/crafts > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 09:28:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Pati Lewellyn" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: microwave kilns Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.73149.0> Precedence: bulk Pati, I looked for the Microwave kilns for several months online and anywhere else I could think of ...No luck. But, still looking, Jill -----Original Message----- From: Pati Lewellyn To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:54 AM Subject: microwave kilns > >Does anyone know if "Microwave kilns" are still available? Saw one >years ago before opening my shop, but can't find a distributor who >knows about them. > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 10:39:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Lost is Found, Thanks Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:12:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.71229.0> Precedence: bulk Bungians, You are the greatest! It is amazing to me the wealth of info that you all have and your willingness to share it. Your support of my post being appropriate for the group was much appreciated and due to the efforts of several members and especially Charles Warner, I was able to connect with my lost friend. Again, Thanks! Sue Reitmann (Mpls.MN) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 10:57:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: microwave kilns Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990615132749.009134c0@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk >I looked for the Microwave kilns for several months online and anywhere else >I could think of ...No luck. But, still looking, i've been looking for a used one, too. they must be packed away in attics somewhere. Anyone have a clue how to make one? I remember that the microwave was not to be used for food, so I wonder if there was a liability problem. It seemed like a simple thing. Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 11:41:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Papa5243 From: Papa5243@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Foiling Machines Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:31:16 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun15.173116.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone have information on Hoevel Manufacturing foling machines? Where to find them, etc. Thanks in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 11:59:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: glasscc To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: microwave kilns Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:38:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990615133833.006b2498@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk At 11:31 AM 6/15/99 -0400, jazzykid wrote: >Pati, >I looked for the Microwave kilns for several months online and anywhere else >I could think of ...No luck. But, still looking, According to my supplier they are no longer being manufactured, that company is out of business. Guess you'll have to find on at a garage sale! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 12:11:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "EastGateXX@msn.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:03:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.4348.0> Precedence: bulk >>This was my first stained glass show. I was fortunate enough to have signed up to go by van with other students/customers of Lighthouse Stained Glass in Venice, CA. 12 of us went. << I am impressed. You are lucky to have a studio that cares enough about you to expose you to the competation. There are plenty that would not. Your "home" studio must believe that your success will turn into their success. I believe so. Reading your review I realized that I should have made more of a point of the fact that a trade show of this nature would be of great benefit to anyone that did not have access to a huge glass wholesaler and other resources. Most non "professionals" and many that are in the business would benefit greatly. Just discovering one or two new items can more that justify the time and expense of going to a trade show. I an thinking of going to the trade show in Las Vegas next year. Also want a chance to get back that $1.75 that the slot machines took from me. ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 12:31:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gbe.com!Laura.Dawson From: "Laura L Dawson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: microwave kilns Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:15:13 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I have a used microwave kiln (somewhere) - if anyone is interested. I'm = sure I can locate it. Laura >>> Dee Thompson 06/15 12:27 PM >>> >I looked for the Microwave kilns for several months online and anywhere = else >I could think of ...No luck. But, still looking, i've been looking for a used one, too. they must be packed away in attics somewhere. Anyone have a clue how to make one? I remember that the microwave was not to be used for food, so I wonder if there was a = liability problem. It seemed like a simple thing.=20 Dee=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com=20 To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com=20 Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 12:46:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Bullseye Web site Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun15.10654.0> Precedence: bulk The Bullseye web site is up and running, check it out at: http://www.bullseye-glass.com/about/index.html A lot of information and jpg's of all the great glass. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 12:48:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Susan C. Reitmann" , Subject: Re: Lost is Found, Thanks Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:51:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.95127.0> Precedence: bulk How wonderful you found your friends. Linda Jo Letscher Jacksonville, Florida -----Original Message----- From: Susan C. Reitmann To: 'glass@bungi.com' Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:46 PM Subject: Lost is Found, Thanks >Bungians, >You are the greatest! It is amazing to me the wealth of info that you all >have and your willingness to share it. >Your support of my post being appropriate for the group was much >appreciated and due to the efforts of several members and especially >Charles Warner, I was able to connect with my lost friend. >Again, Thanks! >Sue Reitmann (Mpls.MN) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 13:08:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: microwave kilns Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun15.8487.0> Precedence: bulk My understanding they are no longer being made. I saw one sell on eBay a couple of months ago. Russ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 15:06:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:54:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glove - Finger protection (was Re: string) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:12:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.61213.0> Precedence: bulk For handling small sharp pieces of glass I use High-Friction Finger Guard Tape (available from many industrial suppliers and as usual for stuff I use, Lee Valley Tools). I generally wrap some of the guard tape around the tips of my first two fingers and my thumb which seem to be where I get most of my cuts. The tape is so high-friction that it just sticks to itself and forms a perfect fit around the finger. It is so tough that I have never been able to cut it with glass or glass working tools (I have gone through it with a woodworking band saw, but that is to be expected). Because of the perfect fit this tape does not get caught in grinders the way gloves do. It also seems to be resistant to melting from solder, irons, etc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 15:27:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sales question Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:31:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.63141.0> Precedence: bulk If the clientele is truly different, I wouldn't worry about it. If both shops have overlapping clientele, I recommend trying to have different pieces in each place. Seeing the same identical piece in two places tends to "cheapen" it in many peoples view and it could hurt your sales. On the other hand, someone who sees exactly the right thing in the second shop after not quite seeing the right thing in the first, is going to be happy customer. Some shop owners may view it as competition and not like it. I personally feel that anything that helps the artist get sales and exposure helps the shop owner in the long run. I feel this includes sales through a different store. Many store owners do not agree with me though. You probably want to at least talk it over with both shop owners so they are not surprised when they hear you are selling through somewhere else too. -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:14 AM Subject: Sales question >Hi group, >As you all know I do stepping stones. I have my stones at a lovely >garden art boutique 25 miles down the road. Now I have an owner(only >open in the summer months)4 miles down the road, that wants my stones. >Both of these stores are consignment. My question is: Are these two >shops too close together for me to have product in both? Would I >essentially be competting against myself? Or is this not a problem, >because the cliental is different? >Thanks in advance. >Shirley B >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 15:32:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Gloves - Chemical Safety (was Re: string) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:09:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.6918.0> Precedence: bulk Since I also do wood working and metal working, I tend to have a greater variety of chemicals around than would many pure stained glass workers. I am not the most organized person, so I usually do not know what I used a particular set of gloves for. Since certain combinations could create unknown and maybe more dangerous chemicals, I prefer to play it safe and use a new pair. Also, I find the heavier gloves which might last longer take away my sense of touch and dexterity too much, so I prefer the light weight disposable gloves. Plus I hate remembering the hole I put in a glove the last time AFTER I get acid flux into a cut this time. For flux and solder work, I tend to not wear gloves. I prefer a barrier cream. I worry a little about acid flux dissolving lead and other heavy metals which could then transfer into my blood stream through open cuts and possibly the pores of my skin. However, most of the specifications for barrier creams I have read would indicate they are quite good at preventing absorption of water based chemicals. I wear gloves for glues (U.V. Glass resin glues, most woodworking glues), organic solvents of any sort, and many patina compounds (If I don't know what heavy metals or other chemicals are in a patina, I would prefer to be safe than sorry). Note: I have seen such things as linseed oil listed in some people's recipes for came cement here in bungi-land. Pure linseed oil is fairly safe. However, processed linseed oil often contains drying agents which are fairly dangerous metal salts such as cadmium salts. Even though the original linseed oil is from a natural source, it still is an organic solvent / organic polymer mix which can carry these cadmium salts through your skin and into you blood stream. I personally use at least a barrier cream when working with any organic solvent, including linseed oil. If I need to research MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) information for chemicals I use, some good places to start are: www.msc.cornell.edu/helpful_data/msds.html www.ehs.ohio-state.edu/htmls/MSDS.html www.sherwinwilliams.com www.ppgaf.com www.ilpi.com -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Cc: Bungi Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:00 PM Subject: Re: string >> The >> gloves don't last long but when your working with chemicals that is >exactly the idea - you should throw them away once they are >contaminated from >any particular chemical anyway. > >Why ? What chemicals are *you* talking about here? > >The chemicals I use >that I wear gloves for are flux and patina. I wash my hands with soap >and water with the gloves *on* then hang them to dry. I reuse them >until I get holes in them..or rip a finger off. > >That is....when I actually use them. > > Tulsa Suzanne > >-- >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 15:38:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggies update 6/15/99 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:43:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.134352.0> Precedence: bulk Well gang, got the entire outside tack soldered and the piggies off the mold. Soldered together the 2 halves. Full inside soldering is about 60% done. It's horribly slick with flux, but what the &%^$ I'm putting it away for the evening. One of these days I'm actually going to count up the number of pieces in it. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 16:00:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:47:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wt.net!sbross From: "Sarah Bross" To: "Bungi Glass List (E-mail)" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: microwave kilns Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:42:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.114230.0> Precedence: bulk C.R. Loo has microwave kilns. You can call them at (800)227-1780 or their website is: http://www.crloo.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Pati Lewellyn [mailto:palewellyn@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 7:41 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: microwave kilns Does anyone know if "Microwave kilns" are still available? Saw one years ago before opening my shop, but can't find a distributor who knows about them. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 17:09:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:07:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Trade shows Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:07:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.14718.0> Precedence: bulk I've enjoyed reading about the Trade Shows. Do the shows move around? It seems like the only ones I've heard of were in Texas or California. I'd love to go if there was ever one in the southeast. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 19:04:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Dani Greer" , Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:41:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.10414.0> References: <<199906151453_MC2-7987-A9D1@compuserve.com>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Sorry, I'm confused myself. I don't know what IAGS means either... I thought it was the International Association of Glass Suppliers? Whatever... 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A) Mail $30.00 (wrapped in a piece of blank paper) to the name next to #1 at the top of the list. Include a note (typed or handwritten) saying "Dear .... (fill in with addresse name), Here is my $30.00 payment to buy from you the Internet business report you are selling. Please e-mail me the Internet business report I have ordered and add me to your mailing list. Thank you," and include your name, mailing address, and e-mail address. IMPORTANT: DO NOT add anything else in the message, just these words only. B) Remove the name next to #1 at the top of the list and move the rest of the names up one position. Then place your name in the #4 spot. This is done by saving this to a file where you can edit the changes and enter it in your information on line #4. Be very careful when you type the addresses and proof read them. Don't include your e-mail address in the list, just give it to the person you are making the $30.00 payment to only. C) When you have completed the above instructions, e-mail the 200 letters. This letter has been proven perfectly legal as long as you follow the above instructions, because you are purchasing a product while joining membership in our exclusive mailing list. To mail this out over the Internet, you can browse through areas and find people to send this to all the time. All you have to do is cut and paste e-mail addressess wherever you are on the Internet. Remember, it doesn't cost anything to e-mail on the internet. FIFTY THOUSAND NEW PEOPLE GET ON THE INTERNET EVERY DAY! An excellent source of names is the people who send you other programs and the names listed on the letter they send you. An endless source is the FREE CLASSIFIEDS, there are thousands on the Net! Your contact source is UNLIMITED! Don't forget that the Ad boards scroll quickly so you must keep an eye on your Ads and make sure, that if they are gone, that you re-post them. You should also send them to people who s! end you their programs because they know these programs work and they are already believers in the system! D) Once the name next to #1 at the top of the list gets your $30.00 onetime only investment, this person will e-mail you the Internet business report, which is your purchase and the item making this program 100% legal. Save this report to a file because after you receive any of your $30.00 payments from all people joining this program then you will have to resell the Internet report by e-mailing it to them, in order to be legally entitled to keep the money as your legit profit off the sale. OKAY I KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING RIGHT NOW... ANOTHER CHAIN LETTER... NO-IT-IS-NOT... DO YOU SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT TELLS YOU THAT THE PERSON BREAKING THE CHAIN WILL SUFFER BAD LUCK!!! ----NO---- Keep in mind there is no limit to the amount of names you could send out. The more names you send, the more money you will make. We strongly encourage you to e-mail this letter to family and friends and to everyone you can think of as well. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000... and your name will be on everyone of them! Be patient, it took me six months to decide to join this program. The average time for people to make up their mind and decide to get into it is one week or so to really get up and going, but this time does come!!! Assume for example, that you get a 5% return rate, which is a very realistic figure. Both my first and second attempt were about that so it's not just a projected income, it's a fact. 1) When you e-mail out 200 letters, 10 people will send you $30.00 = $300 2) Those 10 people e-mail out 200 letters and 100 people send you $30.00 = $3,000 3) Those 100 people e-mail out 200 letters and 1,000 people send you $30.00 = $30,000 4) Those 1,000 people e-mail out 200 letters and 10,000 people send you $30.00 = $300,000 At this point, your name drops off the list. Think about it. With only four levels, you have received over $300,000!!! I think IT'S WORTH $30.00, don’t you? NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN! ************************************************************************* ***TRUE STORIES*** ************************************************************************* Jump on this today before it becomes saturated in the market place. It is now Brand New! I have been through this program 2 times already... you have no idea how profitable it is. It is definitely the fastest thing available. We are talking about $300,000 plus after three months ... more than $1,500,000 in the end!!! Send it to as many as you can (even though it says 200... trust me. I sent 1,000!) I've-bought a great home, a Corvette, a truck, taken the kids to Disneyworld, upgrated my CPU and quit my regular job to "retire" at 34 and play golf all day!.... you can't lose!! Don't JUDGE TOO quickly this the answer to all of your problems! Complete it in ONE HOUR and you will never forget the day you first received it... Ken Powell, Waco, Tx ************************************************************************* IT’S OUTRAGEOUS!!! With just two hours of work I have made over $300,000 in the last three months.. and my investment was just $30.00!!! I can't believe it! It has truly changed my life! I thank God for the day I received this letter! Don’t be afraid to make gifts to strangers--they’ll come back to you in ten-fold. So, let’s keep it going and help each other out in these tough and uncertain times... Susan Lee, Shreveport, La ************************************************************************* G'Day! I am an young girl from OZ. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to give it a burl in this plan. Bludger and conservative that I am, fearing I could sprung I finally decided that the initial investment wasn't exy at all and no way I was making a blue and wouldn't get enough response to at least get my money back. Woa, was I bloody doozey rapt when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with prezzy letters! For a while, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I have made more money in three months than any I could dream of and now I don't have to work anymore and can rage on my entire life!!! The beauty about this bizzo is that it doesn't matter where in the world you live! Too right there simply isn't a better fair dinkum investment with a faster return. Ripper!!! Sarah Yates, Melbourne, Vic (Australia) ************************************************************************* So I am here to tell you that I took the CHANCE OF A LIFETIME AND I DECIDED TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS AND INSTEAD OF EATING A FEW HAMBURGERS OR BUYING SOMETHING I DON'T NEED... I put that $30.00 where my FUTURE IS... and I was rewarded, OH MY!!! I Couldn't put up with the cash flowing in!!! $300,000 MORE STRONG! In just 3 months!!! This is more fun than winning at the Lottery! Because it's just luck in that case while here it's up to me to make it happen!!! Jeff Gray, Baltimore, Md ************************************************************************* ***CAN I DO IT AGAIN?*** ************************************************************************* OF COURSE YOU CAN--this plan is structured for everyone to send only 200 letters each. However, you are certainly not limited to 200. Mail out as many as you can. Every 200 letters you send has a return of $300,000 or more. If you can mail 400, 600, 800, or whatever, GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF IT! Anytime you run this program, just follow steps 1 thru 4 and everyone on your list benefits! Simple enough? You bet it is! This is no four marketing reports to order from 4 different people to get you going, it's an one-time purchase of one single e-mail report, much easier and faster to run! What's more, there are no mailing lists to buy (and wait for), and trips to the printer or copier, and you can do it again and again with your regular groups or gifters, or start up a new group. Each time you receive an MLM offer, respond with this letter! Your name will climb to the number one position at dizzying geometric rates. Follow the simple instructions, and above all, PLEASE PLAY FAIR. That’s THE KEY to this programs success. Your name must run the full gamut on the list to produce the end results. The only way this program can make good money is that each do their part. Unfortunately there are always some "smart" people that do not want to play fair. They add their name on top of the list and not mail anything to the person in the #1 position. These persons don't realize what they do to others might be done to them later. What comes around goes around ... SNEAKING YOUR NAME HIGHER UP ON THE LIST WILL NOT PRODUCE THE RESULTS YOU THINK, it only cheats the other people who have worked hard and have earned the right to be there and ultimately will ruin your chances to collect your money. So please, play by the rules and the $$$ will come to you! E-MAIL YOUR LETTERS OUT RIGHT NOW! *********************************************************************** ***TIPS FOR SUCCESS*** *********************************************************************** * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send the $30.00 for the report IMMEDIATELY so you will have it when the money start coming in because: When you receive a $30.00 order, you MUST send out the requested product / report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * BE PATIENT AND PERSISTENT WITH THIS PROGRAM. If you follow the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. GOOD LUCK!!! ************************************************************************ #1 Carmen Gonzalez 6240 S. Kedzie Ave. Apt. 204 Chicago, IL 60629 U.S.A. #2 MBE - Box 165 Via G. D' Annunzio 51 / 53 95128 Catania ITALY #3 P. C. E. Caixa Postal 96.868 Nova Friburgo - RJ 28.601-970 BRAZIL #4 Donna K. Boxleitner 3213 "B" 6th Street Lewiston, ID 83501 U.S.A. ************************************************************************ WITHOUT ACTION YOUR FUTURE CANNOT CHANGE! TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR FINANCIAL FUTURE NOW!! You probably don’t believe this will work, but if you don’t try it you will never know. That’s the way I felt. Try it. You will thank me for the rest of your life! ... As for me, this is my last shot. Of course I don't need anymore money now (thanks God!) as I am set for life, but I decided to take a final ride anyway in order to collect at least another $300,000 that I want to use to built a non profit foundation that will take care of the helpless third world children ... This is another dream I always wanted to accomplish and I feel the Big Man Upstairs that watches over us all will hopefully (with your support) help me (and you too!) to give back to the ones in more need of help like he has blessed me so far ... we can help others while taking care of ourselves and the ones we care most ... Isn't that wonderful? Isn't that what life is all about? ... IF YOU BUILD IT, (the 200 e-mails program) THEY WILL COME $$$ ... (the $300,000 I mean!!!) ... THINK ABOUT IT. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 15 19:57:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Jerri Subject: fw: mail failed, returning to sender Date: 15 Jun 99 21:07:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199906160108.VAA14494@smtp2.erols.com> Precedence: bulk > ** Original Subject: mail failed, returning to sender > ** Original Sender: > ** Original Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:56:35 -0700 (PDT) > ** Original Message follows... >|------------------------- Message log follows: -------------------------| no valid recipients were found for this message |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| ... unknown user |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------|Jerri. . . The AGSA show changes every year. Last year was Houston, this year Long Beach, and I am not sure where next year's will be. The Expo, I believe, is always in Las Vegas. Nadine > ** Original Subject: Trade shows > ** Original Sender: "Jerri" > ** Original Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:07:18 -0400 > ** Original Message follows... > > I've enjoyed reading about the Trade Shows. Do the shows move around? It > seems like the only ones I've heard of were in Texas or California. I'd > love to go if there was ever one in the southeast. > > Jerri > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > www.nadinesfolly.com >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 00:05:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: LJ Maas To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Laliche style art glass Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:59:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun15.185937.0> References: <<1999Jun15.14718.0>> Precedence: bulk I had someone send me an email request regarding Laliche style art glass...anyone care to educate me...I've never heard of it???? Thanks, all LJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 05:41:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Laliche style art glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:32:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199906161131.HAA09234@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I had someone send me an email request regarding Laliche style art > glass...anyone care to educate me...I've never heard of it???? Looks like a misspelling of Lalique to me. Rene Lalique was a French artist whose forte was pate de verre ... cast glass ... although there's quite a bit of blown and etched work around, too. Highly collectible and very beautiful. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 06:01:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:34:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Expo in Las Vegas Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:32:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199906161131.HAA11164@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The AGSA show changes every year. Last year was > Houston, this year Long Beach, and I am not sure > where next year's will be. The Expo, I believe, is > always in Las Vegas. They've set it up in the Midwest in the past, as well, I believe. Don't know what their plans are for the future, but you could contact Shirley Harvey Las Vegas Management 2408 Chapman Drive Las Vegas NV 89104 - 3455 Phone: ( 800 ) 217 - 4527 Fax: (702) 734-0636 Email: lvmglass@worldnet.att.net Website: http://www.ce1.com/glass/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 06:43:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:35:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Laliche style art glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:33:44 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun16.123344.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/16/99 3:06:24 AM, artist@busprod.com writes: >I had someone send me an email request regarding Laliche style art >glass...anyone care to educate me...I've never heard of it???? I'd guess they're talking about Lalique........... Several pages of examples of his work can be found at: http://rene-lalique.com/ For a discussion of his production tecniques, check out: http://www.tiac.net/users/tangaroa/tc3a.html#4 His company is still going strong (there's a bio of the artist at this site too): http://lalique.com Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 07:40:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: LJ Maas Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Laliche style art glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun16.5312.0> References: <<1999Jun15.185937.0>> Precedence: bulk If memory serves, one of Rene Lalique's most famous -and accessible- works is the L'Air du Temps perfume bottle with the dove on top. There are coffee table books which catalogue and discuss the studio's output. Not just perfume bottles, but these are among the most important items ---again, if memory serves! Mary On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, LJ Maas wrote: > I had someone send me an email request regarding Laliche style art > glass...anyone care to educate me...I've never heard of it???? > > Thanks, all > > LJ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 08:03:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Piggies update 6/15/99 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.52555.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Linda Jo Letscher" >Christie, Don't forget when you get this prize piece done we want to see it. Linda Jo< That's the only reason I'm going to photograph it. My husband said I shouldn't let the photograph get anywhere near my brag book for fear that someone else will want one. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 08:22:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Finishing glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.34954.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I could use some feedback on how to finish a project after it has been soldered? Also do you finish them differently if they have patina on them vs. left plain? Everything I have read indicates that I need to use "finishing compound" but those I've spoken to say it will take the patina off. I have heard everything from using nothing to using furniture polish. FYI do not use furniture polish! This does take off the patina. I was really disappointed because the person who told me this is a "professional" stained glass artist. Any input would be appreciated. Monica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 08:40:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggies update 6/16/99 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.5261.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dani Greer >Message text written by "Christie A. Wood" >I'm actually going to count up the number of pieces in it.< Do it.... then price it at at least $8 per piece... how much did that lamp cost?< OK gang, there are 428 pieces in this 22" lampshade. If we use Dani's cost of $8 per piece, I should be charging $3,424 for this commission. Of course, I charged nowhere near that. In fact, I'm not going to ever tell yall how much (or little) I actually charged. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 09:01:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:47:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.04742.0> Precedence: bulk I agree that Bungi is non-commercial and do not like spam. I feel that your comments regarding your "home" studio by name are most appropriate for the list. You will be talking about good/bad service and not advertising. Even if there was a special product or service for sale it would be appropriate provided it shared new information with the list. So.......... I feel that calling out Spectrums new glass by name was the right thing to do. This especialy because I am in no way connected with Spectrum beyond being a satisified/dissatisified customer. I say, make your post to the list and name the studio. I am posting this to Bungi without your origional note to me to see if it generates comments. ............... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 10:54:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: elere@clientes.euskaltel.es To: Monica Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Finishing glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:03:15 +0200 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.21315.0> References: <<1999Jun16.34954.0>> Precedence: bulk Monica escribió: > Hi Everyone, > I could use some feedback on how to finish a project after it has been > soldered? Also do you finish them differently if they have patina on them > vs. left plain? Everything I have read indicates that I need to use > "finishing compound" but those I've spoken to say it will take the patina > off. I have heard everything from using nothing to using furniture polish. > FYI do not use furniture polish! This does take off the patina. I was really > disappointed because the person who told me this is a "professional" stained > glass artist. Any input would be appreciated. > Monica > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi Monica I don't know what brand is the wax I use over black patina, but I've used it on lots of lamps and so far the patina has never come off, on the contrary, seems better protected and the wax gives it a lovely shine; it is distributed in Europe by a German company called Bohle and meant for this specific purpose; a 100 ml botle costs DM 4.80. I hope you find something suitable in your area. Elena ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 11:27:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: LJ Maas To: Albert Lewis , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Laliche style art glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.7100.0> References: <<199906161131.HAA09234@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert & all... Thanks so much! Once I realized the typo it was like, duh! I've seen that work!!! Thanks again...I'll pass the info on. LJ Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I had someone send me an email request regarding Laliche style art > > glass...anyone care to educate me...I've never heard of it???? > > Looks like a misspelling of Lalique to me. Rene Lalique was a French > artist whose forte was pate de verre ... cast glass ... although > there's quite a bit of blown and etched work around, too. Highly > collectible and very beautiful. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ______________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" ART WITH ATTITUDE Web Design "take a look at some of our client's pages!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 11:49:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:04:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.4423.0> References: <<1999Jun16.04742.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi group, Taking about new product and the company that makes the product IS part of this list. We don't all have access to the latest and we want to know. I personally thank anyone who will enlighten me. Shirley B Bob Duchesneau wrote: > > I agree that Bungi is non-commercial and do not like spam. > > I feel that your comments regarding your "home" studio by name are most > appropriate for the list. You will be talking about good/bad service and not > advertising. Even if there was a special product or service for sale it > would be appropriate provided it shared new information with the list. > So.......... I feel that calling out Spectrums new glass by name was the > right thing to do. This especialy because I am in no way connected with > Spectrum beyond being a satisified/dissatisified customer. > > I say, make your post to the list and name the studio. I am posting this to > Bungi without your origional note to me to see if it generates comments. > ............... Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 15:30:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:53:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.74433.0> References: <<1999Jun16.04742.0>> Precedence: bulk I feel there is a big chasm between "spam" and referencing one's works and business acumen as Education and Inspiration for us up-and-coming newbies at SG. I really appreciate the thoughtfulness of the Bungians who have posted their URLs so I can go and look at what they've accomplished, and I also appreciate the references to suppliers, studios, and sites where I can see how to solve problems or talk to an expert. According to my definition, I haven't yet seen any "spam" on this mailing list, and I've been helped greatly by the project and product conversations and comments. Many thanks and best regards, Cheryl Ryder Bob Duchesneau wrote: > I agree that Bungi is non-commercial and do not like spam. > > I feel that your comments regarding your "home" studio by name are most > appropriate for the list. You will be talking about good/bad service and not > advertising. Even if there was a special product or service for sale it > would be appropriate provided it shared new information with the list. > So.......... I feel that calling out Spectrums new glass by name was the > right thing to do. This especialy because I am in no way connected with > Spectrum beyond being a satisified/dissatisified customer. > > I say, make your post to the list and name the studio. I am posting this to > Bungi without your origional note to me to see if it generates comments. > ............... Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 16:00:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: Howard , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ring observation/??? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:49:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.74925.0> References: <<003a01beb754$230f6560$43231ad8@howardru>> Precedence: bulk Dear Howard, Good heavens...I've never thought about it. I'll have to pay good attention to the one I'm building now. It's just always worked out for me that way..putting the ring in place and then building the bottom rows to meet it. As for removing the soldered shade from the full mold in vertical sections.... for me it has to do with a tricky back, carpal tunnel syndrome, and managing the leverage and the weight of the big shades. After a couple of disasters (or near disasters) my instructor suggested the sectioning trick..and it's worked for me. You have a lovely site... I'm on shade #8 - have a long long way to go.... Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Howard wrote: > Hi Cheryl, > I have a question....... > If you place the brass ring on the bottom of the form (in the groove/ledge) > , does this throw off the placing of the glass on the form......If you start > from the top, in order to get the last row on, you have to remove the ring > at the bottom, so why place the ring there. If you start at the bottom of > the form, the glass will be off the thickness of the ring. The edge on the > form is fairly straight (NOTE: NOT ON ALL FORMS) and the glass will sit on > it OK. Ring is still usually (I do not use them) put on after the shade is > off the form........ > Also, unless the shade has a "tuck" row or is smaller at the bottom, why do > it in "sections"......NOTE: I am NOT critiquing, just curious why! > Have you taken a look at my URL? Currently working on my 1,050 unit.......A > 22" nasty! > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 16:25:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: bobdu@prodigy.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:33:02 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun16.21332.0> Precedence: bulk I totally agree with you Bob. Laura HiimLaura@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 16:51:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Finishing glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:59:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.75928.0> References: <<1999Jun16.34954.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Monica, I've been using the same brand of patina and finishing compound for 4 years and have never had it remove the patina. Here's what I do... When I finish soldering, I immediately wash it thoroughly with a gentle non-residue soap (Palmolive antibacterial works great), to remove all the flux (I use Glasflux), and rinse it very well. Then I use the NOVA patinas (black or copper, or a 3B/1C mixture for an antique bronze look) and apply generously. I use a clean acid brush. I've even "painted" my pieces with different patina colors depending on the effect I wanted...(it was stupendous on a 3' x 5' lanscape window I made last year.) Then I let the patina air dry under a fan. Then I wash it gently to remove the excess patina using only water and a very natural fiber scrub brush. (fie on the "scotchbright" pads here) Again, I air dry. Then I apply the Glass Finishing Compound as per the directions. When it has dried to a white haze, I use a soft terry towel to remove the bulk of the powder and then attack the solder seam crannies with a "detailing brush". "What's a 'detailing brush'? It's what car detailers use to get the chrome polish out of the cracks and crannies in the cars... Go to the home center... buy a white "china bristle" brush. (they come in 1", 2" and 3" sizes...I use them all.) These are cheap. With a pair of sharp SHARP scissors, trim the brush down flat to 1/4" to 5/8" above the part that grips the bristles. This incredible tool has two wonderful features: 1) it's strong enough to get into the solder crannies and dig out the excess powdered glass compound. 2) It's still soft enough so that it doesn't remove the patina or scratch the solder. I hope these tips work for you. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Monica wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I could use some feedback on how to finish a project after it has been > soldered? Also do you finish them differently if they have patina on them > vs. left plain? Everything I have read indicates that I need to use > "finishing compound" but those I've spoken to say it will take the patina > off. I have heard everything from using nothing to using furniture polish. > FYI do not use furniture polish! This does take off the patina. I was really > disappointed because the person who told me this is a "professional" stained > glass artist. Any input would be appreciated. > Monica > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 17:19:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fsg.prusec.com!cava From: cava@fsg.prusec.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Where we all live? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: <99061617003773@fsg.prusec.com> Precedence: bulk >I agree that #4 is the best way to go for now. This is a great idea. Lucille ( Flushing, NY) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 17:32:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:06:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: William Holland School Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:06:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.1567.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone ever heard of the William Holland School of Lapidary Arts? http://stc.net/~lapidary/ It's not that far from where I live and their class prices are downright affordable. I was wondering if anyone's been? They have a bunch of glass from stained glass, glass sculpture, bead making........... Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 17:45:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:47:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.84734.0> References: <<1999Jun16.74433.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Thanks Bob for starting this post to get clarification. I felt awkward/confused because while I am a satisfied student of Lighthouse Stained Glass in Venice, CA (especailly as it related to their recent promotion of us students and the Glass Show in Long Beach). I was afraid to mention that on this post, because I didn't want to offend any other members by "prostilitizing" "commercializing" etc. Interesting that I wouldn't think so much about posting a negative interraction "in the interest of warning others"! But, stop from posting a positive reference... hummm Now I'm clear... post it -- when in the interest of furthuring conversations on the whole of stained glass and inspiration as Cheryl pointed out. Thanks again. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Bungi Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Trade show review > I feel there is a big chasm between "spam" and referencing one's works and > business acumen as Education and Inspiration for us up-and-coming newbies > at SG. I really appreciate the thoughtfulness of the Bungians who have posted > their URLs so I can go and look at what they've accomplished, and I also > appreciate the references to suppliers, studios, and sites where I can see how > to solve problems or talk to an expert. > > According to my definition, I haven't yet seen any "spam" on this mailing list, > and I've been helped greatly by the project and product conversations and > comments. > > Many thanks and best regards, > Cheryl Ryder > > Bob Duchesneau wrote: > > > I agree that Bungi is non-commercial and do not like spam. > > > > I feel that your comments regarding your "home" studio by name are most > > appropriate for the list. You will be talking about good/bad service and not > > advertising. Even if there was a special product or service for sale it > > would be appropriate provided it shared new information with the list. > > So.......... I feel that calling out Spectrums new glass by name was the > > right thing to do. This especialy because I am in no way connected with > > Spectrum beyond being a satisified/dissatisified customer. > > > > I say, make your post to the list and name the studio. I am posting this to > > Bungi without your origional note to me to see if it generates comments. > > ............... Bob > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 17:50:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:16:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Bob Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Trade show review Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 05:09:24 Message-ID: <199906162315.RAA10139@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk is fine with me! Candy On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:47:42 -0700, Bob Duchesneau wrote: >I say, make your post to the list and name the studio. I am posting this to >Bungi without your origional note to me to see if it generates comments. >............... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 18:03:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: finishing glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:03:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.13323.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Thanks for the feed back. Perhaps it's not the finishing thats giving me a problem. I applied the patina and almost immediately got a whitish looking haze over the piece. It has a very flat dull looking finish. Could this be caused by something else? Monica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 19:34:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:23:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass @bungi.com'" Subject: More Competition For S.Glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:22:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.152241.0> Precedence: bulk If you have time, check out the latest issue of "Better Homes & Garden" magazine. It has about 5 pages devoted to "do it yourself" ideas for window decoration when you still want light, but privacy. It has everything from putting stickers on a window and then using etching cream over the entire glass, then removing the stickers, to putting a piece of curtain lace on the glass, spray painting it with white paint and then removing the lace. (reminded me of the clear texture art glass.) Also has instructions on how to frame a whole sheet of art glass and how to hang it as a panel. What will they think of next to "take away" a customer from us ? First it is the "cut-rate" lamp shades and now the "faux SG. windows". Well, at least we won't get any calls for repairs on this latest fad. Sue Reitmann ( Mpls, MN) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 20:47:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Susan C. Reitmann" , Subject: Re: More Competition For S.Glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.19047.0> Precedence: bulk Susan, But the good stuff will win out. All that stuff can't hold a candle to a window or whatever we make with glass. Yea it might look ok for a while, but they sound like quick fix type of things. And faux is the word.... I have a friend that paints everything, walls, windows, furniture, you name it and it looks ok, but I think for me personally I would get tired of it. And people that appreicate stained glass will continue to come around. Don't fret. I personally would not buy the chepo glass lamps and things because of the fact it is made off shore by what is probably slave labor. I have never done a lamp and don't plan on it any time soon, and I would love to have a large one over my dining room table. I will have to look at the magazine next time I go to the grocery store. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Susan C. Reitmann To: 'glass @bungi.com' Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 10:40 PM Subject: More Competition For S.Glass >If you have time, check out the latest issue of "Better Homes & Garden" >magazine. It has about 5 pages devoted to "do it yourself" ideas for window >decoration when you still want light, but privacy. > >It has everything from putting stickers on a window and then using etching >cream over the entire glass, then removing the stickers, to putting a piece >of curtain lace on the glass, spray painting it with white paint and then >removing the lace. (reminded me of the clear texture art glass.) Also has >instructions on how to frame a whole sheet of art glass and how to hang it >as a panel. > >What will they think of next to "take away" a customer from us ? First it >is the "cut-rate" lamp shades and now the "faux SG. windows". Well, at >least we won't get any calls for repairs on this latest fad. >Sue Reitmann ( Mpls, MN) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 16 22:38:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More Competition For S.Glass Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:31:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun16.18314.0> References: <<1999Jun16.19047.0>> Precedence: bulk Oh....but that sounds soooo gross. If they want is stained glass...they will always know they dont have the real thing, and so will everyone that looks at it. It is like buying a fake designer watch or purse.. It only takes a glimpse to see the quality is lacking and person carrying it is a wannabe. I would be embarrassed to have the fake window in a door. I dont think there are that many people that would attempt that..etching and painting it? YUCK! Ummmm well...... confession time... Recently...my husband came home with a new cabinet for one of our bathrooms to hang above the toilet. it has glass doors with etched and painted glass in it. When I saw it...I was so excited..I said "OH COOL...I can take that glass out and put real stained glass in it!!!!" Oops! Insulted my husband. Turns out, I think we have different tastes! Which insulted me..that he would prefer that crap as opposed to my *stuff* ! ;o) I think it is totally bizarre to go into *my* bathroom and see faked out glass! Doesnt make sense. Im going to change it someday...but the quality of the cabinet doesnt really support the quality of glass I would put it in. Suzanne says while shuddering! Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > Susan, > But the good stuff will win out. All that stuff can't hold a candle to a > window or whatever we make with glass. Yea it might look ok for a while, > but they sound like quick fix type of things. And faux is the word.... I > have a friend that paints everything, walls, windows, furniture, you name it > and it looks ok, but I think for me personally I would get tired of it. And > people that appreicate stained glass will continue to come around. Don't > fret. I personally would not buy the chepo glass lamps and things because > of the fact it is made off shore by what is probably slave labor. I have > never done a lamp and don't plan on it any time soon, and I would love to > have a large one over my dining room table. I will have to look at the > magazine next time I go to the grocery store. > Linda Jo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan C. Reitmann > To: 'glass @bungi.com' > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 10:40 PM > Subject: More Competition For S.Glass > > >If you have time, check out the latest issue of "Better Homes & Garden" > >magazine. It has about 5 pages devoted to "do it yourself" ideas for window > >decoration when you still want light, but privacy. > > > >It has everything from putting stickers on a window and then using etching > >cream over the entire glass, then removing the stickers, to putting a piece > >of curtain lace on the glass, spray painting it with white paint and then > >removing the lace. (reminded me of the clear texture art glass.) Also has > >instructions on how to frame a whole sheet of art glass and how to hang it > >as a panel. > > > >What will they think of next to "take away" a customer from us ? First it > >is the "cut-rate" lamp shades and now the "faux SG. windows". Well, at > >least we won't get any calls for repairs on this latest fad. > >Sue Reitmann ( Mpls, MN) > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 05:26:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 04:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: cava@fsg.prusec.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Where we all live? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:20:55 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun17.112055.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/16/99 8:21:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cava@fsg.prusec.com writes: > >I agree that #4 is the best way to go for now. > > This is a great idea. > > What are these answers to????????? I am lost.........HELP ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 06:57:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: Michele Spruill To: pigznpawz@mindspring.com, glass@intrastar.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: William Holland School Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:14:57 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jun17.131457.0> Precedence: bulk This sounds great! Summer camp for artistic adults- Maybe I'll go next summer....M >From: "Jerri" >To: , >Subject: William Holland School >Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:06:07 -0400 > >Has anyone ever heard of the William Holland School of Lapidary Arts? > >http://stc.net/~lapidary/ > >It's not that far from where I live and their class prices are downright >affordable. I was wondering if anyone's been? They have a bunch of glass >from stained glass, glass sculpture, bead making........... > >Jerri > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 07:10:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggies update 6/17/99 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.52851.0> Precedence: bulk Yesterday - got through full inside solder. Today - finish outside solder & finally clean the slimy thing. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 09:04:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Good news Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:27:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.32752.0> Precedence: bulk I just had to share some good news. I'm basically a crafter glass person, but the other day I got my first real live commission to do a panel for a coworker. The challenge was it was only 8" x 28" and she wanted grape clusters, bevels, and several different clear textures... But I kept the design simple and delivered it her to last week and every day this week she has come in and said "Have I told you how much I love my glass window?" She says it makes her feel happy every day when she looks at it. (big big smile) I love positive reinforcement! Shari (SLC, UT) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 10:06:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Shari Higbee" , Subject: Re: Good news Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:13:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.81333.0> Precedence: bulk Shari, How wonderful. Doesn't it just feel so good when someone loves your work? Great job. Congratulations. Linda Ji -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee To: Bungi Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:14 PM Subject: Good news >I just had to share some good news. I'm basically a crafter glass person, >but the other day I got my first real live commission to do a panel for a >coworker. The challenge was it was only 8" x 28" and she wanted grape >clusters, bevels, and several different clear textures... But I kept the >design simple and delivered it her to last week and every day this week she >has come in and said "Have I told you how much I love my glass window?" She >says it makes her feel happy every day when she looks at it. (big big smile) > >I love positive reinforcement! > >Shari >(SLC, UT) > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 10:23:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Piggies update 6/17/99 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:50:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.15048.0> References: <<1999Jun17.52851.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk I love your updates on this "slimy thing"... keeps me laughing, and inspired to take on a large project - NOT. Seriously, I know what to expect, and how to get through it due to your posts. Thanks, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 6:28 AM Subject: Piggies update 6/17/99 > Yesterday - got through full inside solder. Today - finish > outside solder & finally clean the slimy thing. > > Christie Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > http://www.igga.org/wood/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 10:47:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Piggies update 6/17/99 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:20:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.82050.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari Higbee" >Way to go, Christie!! Think how happy you'll be to start your next proje= ct knowing the piggie project is done and out of your hair! Happy day!< Start my next project? I've finished 5 other projects just this week while I was working on the blasted piggie lamp. I will be very, very happy when the client comes & picks it up on Saturday. Bye bye piggie Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 11:09:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:23:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Good news Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:20:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.82047.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari Higbee" >I love positive reinforcement!< I love the money too! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 11:13:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Shari Higbee , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: YeeHaa! Shari! Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:07:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.7723.0> References: <<1999Jun17.32752.0>> Precedence: bulk :o) Congratulations Shari!! :o) Go Girl! T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 11:40:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: I'm almost outta here... Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:13:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.7131.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to tell you guys... Im heading to Colorado tomorrow for 10 days of camping. It got cold here last night (60*) so....I think I am gonna get cold in Colorado. We dont usually go until later in the summer (August) when it is hottest here and perfect there. But this year..Im lucky enough to get to go to Meredith for the first E workshop, and then to Glass Visions! So August is looking busy. Not to mention school starts August 11th! (yuck) Suddening I find my self packing my long johns..and finding I packed away too many of my winter clothes! Im taking lots of chocolate and marshmallows! We'll be on the Conejos River, in the Rio Grande National Forest. See you guys in a couple of weeks. Happy Glassing! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 13:17:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggie (Lamp) Projects Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:50:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.65011.0> Precedence: bulk Is it just me who has noticed that piggie projects often seem to be lamps. I have a whole new respect for you Howard! And to make a living at it no less--incredible! Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 15:17:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggie (Lamp) Projects Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:50:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.65011.0> Precedence: bulk Is it just me who has noticed that piggie projects often seem to be lamps. I have a whole new respect for you Howard! And to make a living at it no less--incredible! Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 15:39:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: I'm almost outta here... Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:17:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.5173.0> References: <<1999Jun17.7131.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Suzanne HAVE A GREAT TIME.... Don't forget to pack your DRAWING PAD... get lots of ideas... ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 10:13 AM Subject: I'm almost outta here... > Just wanted to tell you guys... > > Im heading to Colorado tomorrow for 10 days of camping. It got cold > here last night (60*) so....I think I am gonna get cold in Colorado. > > We dont usually go until later in the summer (August) when it is hottest > here and perfect there. But this year..Im lucky enough to get to go to > Meredith for the first E workshop, and then to Glass Visions! So August > is looking busy. Not to mention school starts August 11th! (yuck) > > Suddening I find my self packing my long johns..and finding I packed > away too many of my winter clothes! > > Im taking lots of chocolate and marshmallows! We'll be on the Conejos > River, in the Rio Grande National Forest. > > See you guys in a couple of weeks. > Happy Glassing! ;o) > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 15:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Piggies update 6/17/99 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.133940.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Debbie Taylor/Gary Kleeman" >what, no pig roast? tee-hee couldn't resist, just a little warped< There is a southern bar-be-que place on the way home. Think I'll pick up some pork bar-be-que to celebrate! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 15:55:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Not exactly a piggie, but.... Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:07:23 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199906172111.QAA20812@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Here's one for you. My parents live near Seattle. I live near Chicago. When I was out west awhile back they showed me this large wood frame (rectangular with a kind of squared-off oval opening) that my brother-in-law salvaged from a gazebo that was totaled in a wind storm. Originally contained plexiglass, but wouldn't it be nice to have a stained glass panel to fit this nice frame? So I traced the opening (the frame was too cumbersome to schlep on the plane) and did a copper foil panel (roughly 2 x 3 feet) of fushias (which my father grows as a hobby) and a couple of hummingbirds. Two weeks ago we drove west, they drove east and we met in Rapid City, SD. I had put a diagonal restrip in it but only thin (1/8"?) zinc around the outside because of the opening in the frame. So my folks call me when they get home. They (and the neighbors) agree that the frame is just too much--overwhelms the panel! So they've taken it to a studio out there to see about having something more substantial put around it so they hang it without the frame! ARGH! Mom says it would be easier if the panel was rectangular. DUH! Would have been easier to build, too! I guess I should have seen it coming. At least they love the panel. And I don't have to do the adjustments (unless the price is too high- --then they'll probably wait till I next come home). Has the potential to become a piggie. Don't know if I'd just put some heavier zinc on it, or add glass to the outside of the panel to make it rectangular. Hope I don't have to decide.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 17:10:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glasscc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non-church stained glass in London Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:27:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199906172233.WAA04555@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well Joyce, Hoping very much to meet up with you here in UK Have you any plans to join up with Sparks - when she is here...? 20th Century stained glass, heh? Well.... there is William Morris, Rene MackIntosh, John Piper, Patrick Reyntiens.....Elisabeth Roberg (except that she's a Swede....) In the village next to me is a stained glass creation by an East German Artiste - just before the Wall came down.... I corresponded with her for quite a while and she came for lunch a couple of times. There is the Victoria and Albert Museum in London (which has a remarkablby FEW selections of stained glass); the Glass Museum in London. There is also the Stained Glass Museum in Ely Cathedral (about 90 minutes north of London), which is WELL worth a visit. It contains some ecclesiastical work....but also a larger selection of secular stained glass. For viewing the "worst possible" photographic genre of stained glass that Britain has ever produced, do visit the Canterbury Cathedral and gawp at the s.g. of Princess Elizabeth and her father George...... (horrendeous!!!! So much so, it's almost appealing....) Ashmolean Museum in Oxford also houses some glass. The Entrance staircase at the Museum is host to the most incredible 3-D engraved glass I have ever seen.... (20th Century!) Visit Coventry and Liverpool Cathedral. In Covbentry you will see the ressurrection of the bombed-out Coventry Cathedral with stained glass by Patrick Reyntiens (executed in Dalle de Verre) The glass etchings in the front entrance is very daunting, but quite incredible. It was completed in the early 1960's. The location is ecclesiastical,the theme is more human / humanitarian related..... You will see what I mean when you are actually there...... Please let me know when and where you land in UK and whether you might spirit some time to meet up.... Best Wishes Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hi group, and especially those of you from the UK, > > I will be visiting London in two weeks time, and I would like some > suggestions for some "modern" or "non-traditional" stained glass sites to > visit. I know about the ages old church window stuff, but I would like to > see somethings that have been produced within the last century. Thanks in > advance for any suggestions. > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 17:24:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:35:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: laguna.com.mx!treetops From: Bob&Kathie Coull To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Slave Labor? NOT! Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:31:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990617173143.00755c98@laguna-01.laguna.com.mx> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungis, I sent the first message (by accident) to Bob, and he told me how to distribute group-wide. I have added to it and modified it somewhat. Dear Bob and fellow Bungi-ites (ists?) I enjoyed your review but I have to take issue with the editorial comments from my fellow Bungis. My husband and I live in a 3rd (he says 2nd) world country. It's just to the south of you and it's called Mexico. We moved here by choice for the practically perfect weather year round up here in our mountains. You maintain that it's slave labor because the prices are so low. NOT! I have gone into the workshops in Tonela (3 syllables: pronounce each one) and Tlaquepaque (think "lock a pocket") and seen the artisans work. Excellent craftspersons, very good work and very cheap. Why? Costs are low. Wages are low. People are not being forced to do this against their will. When will Americans (from the President on down) stop insisting that because it is cheap it must be made with slave/child labor? You are all using American standards to judge the rest of the world. Stop thinking of it from such a parochial standpoint. Get a world view of the thing, whatever it is, in this case, stained glass. I could go on and on and draw a lot of comparisons, but I won't. I've been to more movies since I've moved here than I attended in 10 years in the good ol' US of A. Why? Well, it doesn't cost me anywhere between 7 and a half and 10 bucks to get in. We will NOT pay 31/2 dollars for popcorn, or 6 bucks or whatever for Jujifruit. I think in pesos now: 50 pesos is 5 bucks and that's a lot of money for Mexicans. I think my whole trip to see "Titanic" came to under $10. that included the round trip bus fare from our village, margaritas on the bus and admission to the movie. Dinner (and a very good one, too) was an extra five dollars. In conclusion let me say that you all are still judging everything from the ultimate consuming post industrial first world nation. Think about it the other way round: is that money fairly earned and does it help the Mexican (or Chinese or whoever's) economy? Do the workers pay taxes, take the bus to and from work, pay their rent on time, buy stuff for birthdays and Xmas (I'd add Chanukah and everybody else's holiday too), generally kick back and have a fiesta (no reason needed) and generally live like you? Yes. But taxes aren't nearly as onerous, they are not wrapped so tightly in rules and regs (something only post-industrial nations can afford), public transportation is dirt cheap (1 or 2 pesos) and life seems to be enjoyed more. Well, my first posting to Bungi and let the flak fall where it may. Just some random thoughts. Sincerely, Kathie Coull, Las Golondrinas, San Antonio Tlayacapan, Mexico How to pronouce Tlayacapan: (Indian word) tah lie YA ca pan. All Mexican cities, towns, villages and hamlets have 2 names, a saint's name and its original Mexican indigenous people's name. KC >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 17:39:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Good news Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:50:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990617155003.00961100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun17.32752.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:27 AM 6/17/99 -0600, Shari Higbee wrote: >I just had to share some good news. I'm basically a crafter glass person, >but the other day I got my first real live commission to do a panel for a >coworker. The challenge was it was only 8" x 28" and she wanted grape >clusters, bevels, and several different clear textures... But I kept the >design simple and delivered it her to last week and every day this week she >has come in and said "Have I told you how much I love my glass window?" She >says it makes her feel happy every day when she looks at it. (big big smile) > >I love positive reinforcement! > >Shari >(SLC, UT) > Congratulations! You took a picture that you're going to share with us just as soon as it comes back from the developer, right? Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 18:37:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Writing About Stained Glass Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:10:41 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.01041.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I hope this isn't too off topic, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask. Does anyone know of any job openings related to writing about stained glass? I'm graduating with my Bachelor's Degree in Professional Writing in December, and although I have been keeping busy freelancing as a health writer for magazines (and building my inventory of glass, of course!), I would really love to write about stained glass. Again, sorry if this is off topic, but what better place to ask than Bungi? Laura you can email me privately at: HiimLaura@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 19:03:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Not exactly a piggie, but.... Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:12:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990617171228.00966990@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<199906172111.QAA20812@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk At 04:07 PM 6/17/99, Kaye Sodt wrote: >>>> Here's one for you. My parents live near Seattle. I live near Chicago. When I was out west awhile back they showed me this large wood frame (rectangular with a kind of squared-off oval opening) that my brother-in-law salvaged from a gazebo that was totaled in a wind storm. Originally contained plexiglass, but wouldn't it be nice to have a stained glass panel to fit this nice frame? So I traced the opening (the frame was too cumbersome to schlep on the plane) and did a copper foil panel (roughly 2 x 3 feet) of fushias (which my father grows as a hobby) and a couple of hummingbirds. Two weeks ago we drove west, they drove east and we met in Rapid City, SD. I had put a diagonal restrip in it but only thin (1/8"?) zinc around the outside because of the opening in the frame. So my folks call me when they get home. They (and the neighbors) agree that the frame is just too much--overwhelms the panel! So they've taken it to a studio out there to see about having something more substantial put around it so they hang it without the frame! ARGH! Mom says it would be easier if the panel was rectangular. DUH! Would have been easier to build, too! I guess I should have seen it coming. At least they love the panel. And I don't have to do the adjustments (unless the price is too high- --then they'll probably wait till I next come home). Has the potential to become a piggie. Don't know if I'd just put some heavier zinc on it, or add glass to the outside of the panel to make it rectangular. Hope I don't have to decide.... Kaye <<<<<<<< Ever heard the saying, "no good deed should go unpunished"? That's the first thing that came to mind as I read your tale. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 19:20:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Not exactly a piggie, but.... Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:40:00 -0400 Message-ID: <199906180040.UAA07210@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 6/17/99 6:07 PM Kaye Sodt kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU (big snip) >Has the >potential to become a piggie. Kaye (with credits to Christie), I think you've coined a new phrase for us Bungians! suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 19:35:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Bob&Kathie Coull" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Slave Labor? NOT! Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:19:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.111911.0> Precedence: bulk I agree that what seems cheap (WAGES) to us, is a GOOD wage elsewhere if you only need $500 or so a year to survive. My gripe is the quality, and UNTIL the quality is competitive (to mine) I am perfectly happy pointing out the differences. When an import shade for $100.oo looks as good as mine for $3,000.oo from ALL aspects.....then INDEED I will have a problem. We were in Egypt, and visited a few carpet factories........The owners were quick to point out that the jobs were secure and safe, the children were not forced to work (what other choice they had we were not told of) and they really paid them.....the "I OWE MY SOUL TO THE COMPANY STORE" seemed to come to mind. Carpets were cheap by re-sale standards, but I did not like the quality......I DID NOT BUY! >From some of the posts to bungi, I wonder if some of us are "working" for sub-standard wages by our standards? enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 19:59:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlsWorks From: GlsWorks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Brazing Rods Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:45:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.14520.0> Precedence: bulk I am looking for more specific information in regard to the garden stakes out of brazing rods. What size brazing rods did you use, what was the process, etc. I know this was a topic not long ago, but I didn't see the specifics, perhaps I just missed it. Please email me personally or to the group. Thanks, Angie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 17 21:13:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:59:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: BBQ piggie and champagne!! Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:58:57 -0700 Message-ID: <199906180258.TAA05902@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk Congratulations Christie on finishing the piggie project! We're all toasting you from our respective desks holding our (figurative) champagne glasses. Glad we could help spur you on! I've spent moments in the shop this week trying to remember the nursery rhyme about the piggies who went to market and humming the Beatles "Have you seen the little piggies". Couldn't remember enough of the words to either to come up with a bungiesque version for the group, although I provided myself with moments of hilarity! Congrats again. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 00:14:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:41:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Re: Brazing Rods Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:25:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun17.162549.0> References: <<1999Jun18.14520.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bud/indexpage1.htm On the link above, are some pics that I took of some butterfly bodies that I made out of lead, (poured in plaster molds) and then attached braze rods and some restrip for wing support. Might help to visualize more the size of rod used. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 06:45 PM Subject: Brazing Rods > I am looking for more specific information in regard to the garden stakes out > of brazing rods. What size brazing rods did you use, what was the process, > etc. I know this was a topic not long ago, but I didn't see the specifics, > perhaps I just missed it. Please email me personally or to the group. > > Thanks, > Angie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 03:42:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Slave Labor? NOT! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 05:46:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199906180945.FAA23388@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > You maintain that it's slave labor because the prices are so low. > NOT! I agree absolutely with everything Kathie pointed out. What seem slave wages to us in the U.S. are excellent wages elsewhere. I haven't commented on the thread because I've learned that "convince a man against his will and he'll be of the same opinion still." Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 07:13:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Good news Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:52:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.4521.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEB989.5C4ED662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Shari The only positive reinforcement better than cash in your pocket is the feeling you get when you see your work being displayed by other people. It always gives me a rush . May this be the first of many commissions. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee [mailto:shigbee@stmassociates.com] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:28 AM To: Bungi Subject: Good news I just had to share some good news. I'm basically a crafter glass person, but the other day I got my first real live commission to do a panel for a coworker. The challenge was it was only 8" x 28" and she wanted grape clusters, bevels, and several different clear textures... But I kept the design simple and delivered it her to last week and every day this week she has come in and said "Have I told you how much I love my glass window?" She says it makes her feel happy every day when she looks at it. (big big smile) I love positive reinforcement! Shari (SLC, UT) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEB989.5C4ED662 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Good news

Shari

The only positive reinforcement better than cash in your pocket is the feeling you get = when you see your work being displayed by other people. It always gives = me a rush .

May this be the first of many = commissions.

Vic M.

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Shari Higbee [mailto:shigbee@stmassociates.c= om]
      Sent:   Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:28 AM
      To:     Bungi
      Subject:       = Good news

      I just had to share some good news. = I'm basically a crafter glass person,
      but the other day I got my first real = live commission to do a panel for a
      coworker. The challenge was it was = only 8" x 28" and she wanted grape
      clusters, bevels, and several = different clear textures... But I kept the
      design simple and delivered it her to = last week and every day this week she
      has come in and said "Have I = told you how much I love my glass window?" She
      says it makes her feel happy every = day when she looks at it. (big big smile)

      I love positive reinforcement!

      Shari
      (SLC, UT)


      ----
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      To send to the = list,      please mail to: = glass@bungi.com
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BEB989.5C4ED662-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 07:42:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:37:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: PJ Jellison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Ooh, my aching hand... Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:42:41 -0400 Message-ID: <376A4CD0.DDCD10FA@ceps.nasm.edu> Organization: Smithsonian Institution Precedence: bulk Another lurker crawls out of her cave for a moment... I'm just a beginner and have already picked up tons of good advice from you-all! Thanks! Now here's my very newbie-ish question. How do you keep your hand from cramping while holding the soldering iron??? I finished a panel last evening, but by the end, ouch! Maybe I shouldn't have switched from a soldering gun to a straight iron, huh? I'll crawl back into my cave now. Cheers! PJ Jellison jellison@ceps.nasm.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 08:15:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: seaspray@island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: BBQ piggie and champagne!! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:54:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.35424.0> References: <<199906180258.TAA05902@mimas.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Piggies (Harrison) Have you seen the little piggies Crawling in the dirt And for all the little piggies Life is getting worse Always having dirt to play around in. Have you seen the bigger piggies In their starched white shirts You will find the bigger piggies Stirring up the dirt Always have clean shirts to play around in. In their styes with all their backing They don't care what goes on around In their eyes there's something lacking What they need's a damn good whacking. Everywhere there's lots of piggies Living piggy lives You can see them out for dinner With their piggy wives Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon. The nursery rhyme as I know it. This little piggie went to market. this little piggie stayed home. this little piggie ate roast beef, while this little piggie ate none. And this little piggie went.. wee wee wee wee all the way home. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 08:17:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Brazing Rods Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:42:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.54234.0> Precedence: bulk If you E-mail to her personally please CC me too. I'm thinking it might be fun to try. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsobt.com -----Original Message----- From: GlsWorks@aol.com [mailto:GlsWorks@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:45 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Brazing Rods I am looking for more specific information in regard to the garden stakes out of brazing rods. What size brazing rods did you use, what was the process, etc. I know this was a topic not long ago, but I didn't see the specifics, perhaps I just missed it. Please email me personally or to the group. Thanks, Angie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 08:41:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Good news Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.42824.0> References: <<1999Jun17.82047.0>> Precedence: bulk You are an inspiration, Christie! :o) Thanks for telling us about the Piggy project! Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 08:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk!studio.stainedglass From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Slave Labor? NOT! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:05:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.16533.0> Precedence: bulk >From what two customers returned from a commercial visit to China have told us many of the factories in China are situated in work camps - where the workers dont actually get paid a wage! I suppose they do get fed/housed/clothed and it is an alternative to having nothing to eat at all. It may be that other areas pay fair wages to their workers for similar work but when we can buy in a 20 inch dragonfly stained glass shade of medium quality of workmanship and glass for under 50 pounds UK including sales tax and delivery charges - and that is not direct from an exporter but from a UK importer who has paid shipping costs - it is hard to believe that much in the way of wages could have been budgeted into what the factory gets paid. EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 08:55:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bud Britt bodies Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:44:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.24410.0> Precedence: bulk I visited your butterfly body site. I know I could figure out how to make a mold similar to yours...but here are my questions: 1) Can I use solder droppings? If so, how do I melt? Just drop them in and heat with my iron? 2) How do I get the bodies to release from the mold? 3) Did you put reinforcement in the body itself? 4) When you said..."attached reinforcement", are you saying you soldered the reinforcement on, or did you place in the molten solder? These might make another 4th grade project! My kids could cut and grind 4 pieces of glass each. We made glass hearts last year, two pieces. Maybe we could even fuse the wing parts. I could get all my glass buddies to save their solder droppings for me, enough to make 22 bodies a year anyway. Thanks. Claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 09:03:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggies update 6/18/99 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:40:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.64058.0> Precedence: bulk Got the cap soldered on, and full inside and outside soldering completed. Today I'll be placing the rim around the bottom, patining, adding the electricals, photographing, and then PUTTING IT AWAY for pickup tomorrow. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 09:09:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:59:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.65916.0> Precedence: bulk Hello bungians, Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit Oceana, and I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to meet Steve Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from Cupertino), and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's here for a visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a small, and very laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy their work. They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat……it's hot in there! The next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound of lava/glass out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into another oven that shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the color. At that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which moves the glass through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet of glass to travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the glass - not to brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any rough edges and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz area, it's a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to visit too, but this family operation was a treat! Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 09:38:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG What they talkin about? was Re: Where we all live? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:02:17 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.15217.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/17/99 8:27:35 AM, CncptThnkr@AOL.COM writes: >What are these answers to????????? I am lost.........HELP You read my mind....... and if IA (our Resident Intellectual, and that's intended as a compliment ) is confoozled, where does that leave the rest of us? =8-O While an entire quoted message attached to the reply is generally considered an obnoxious waste of bandwidth, IMO the opposite extreme - having to read a reply without at least a snippet of "something that went before" to jog my (ADDled) memory - is far more frustrating. So *PLEEEEEEEEZ*, folks, have mercy on those of us with "minds like steel sieves" and at least give us a hint so we don't have to (1) wade back through our whole back list of mail to figure out what you're talking about (2) cuss ourselves out for having already deleted the message you're replying to (3) dive into the archives to figure it out. Thanks! Sparks (long-time resident of the State of Confusion) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 10:05:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Piggies update 6/17/99 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:02:25 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.15225.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/17/99 1:48:37 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: >Start my next project? I've finished 5 other projects just this week >while I was working on the blasted piggie lamp. Not to mention getting at least 2 others half done......... "Multitasking" isn't just for computers any more, it's a way of life! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 10:22:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Increasingly NG Re: Slave Labor? NOT! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:02:15 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.15215.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/18/99 6:43:36 AM, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: >I agree absolutely with everything Kathie pointed out. What seem >slave wages to us in the U.S. are excellent wages elsewhere. We all gotta remember that discrepancies like that exist even in the US. This discussion reminds me of when I was working in a brand-new chemical plant way out in the middle of East Nowhere, Texas, 20 years ago. The plant was paying substantially higher hourly wages than any other company in the area, and its employees were making a pretty darned good living, but because the dollar amounts on the paychecks weren't in line with similar operations in the high-cost-of-living industrial northeast and midwest, the Steelworkers and Teamsters and who-knows-who-else moved in to organize and agitate for northern-style pay. They ended up getting it, but it sure did upset the local economy and create a lot of bad feeling in the area. I still don't know what to think of situations like that. I'm just glad there wasn't a strike, because as a salaried person I would have had to cross the picket lines, and as the daughter of a machinist, I'm not sure I could have done it. Soft-Hearted Sparks who thinks doing glass and getting paid for it beats the heck outta working........ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 10:25:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: BBQ piggie and champagne!! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:02:19 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.15219.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/18/99 12:15:02 AM, seaspray@island.net writes: >humming the Beatles "Have you seen the little piggies" Egad! I haven't heard that one in years! although the last verse of the song used to come to mind far too frequently in the course of my ill-fated past lives in various business-and-industry surroundings......... Waiter! I'll have a rack of ribs, please! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 10:26:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Good news Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:02:23 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.15223.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/17/99 12:05:44 PM, shigbee@stmassociates.com writes: >I got my first real live commission to do a panel for a >coworker. [...] delivered it her to last week and every day this week >she has come in and said "Have I told you how much I love my glass >window?" YA-A-A-A-A-A-A-AAAAAAAY!!!!!! Congratulations! may it be the first of many! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 10:44:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:43:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ooh, my aching hand... Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:19:03 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.15193.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/18/99 10:43:45 AM, jellison@ceps.nasm.edu writes: >Now here's my very newbie-ish question. How do >you keep your hand from cramping while holding the >soldering iron??? A coupla thoughts....... Which way are you holding the iron? I used to get cramps in my hand when I used the "pencil grip." Holding it the other way, like you'd hold a screwdriver, gets your hand and wrist untwisted. (It also removes the temptation to "choke up" and thereby get a nasty burn, she said, speaking from painful experience and sounding like a broken record........) Also, as often as possible, make sure the piece you're soldering is oriented in the right direction and your soldering bench is at the right height so that you don't have to flex your wrist too much and can keep your hand and wrist in a fairly straight line while you're soldering. A wild-ass idea: While we're on the subject of soldering irons, does anyone out there have any thoughts on those bent tips? I think they're designed for soldering the insides of lampshades. But if you're used to using a soldering gun (which of course is "bent"), switching to a bent tip for your iron might get you closer to the grip you're comfortable with. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 10:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Brazing Rods Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:50:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.55054.0> References: <<1999Jun18.54234.0>> Precedence: bulk Please mail them to the group. I would be interested in knowing more details. I found the brazing rods (un-fluxed kind) at Home Depot for about $4.50. They are 18" in length and come in a tube of 16. Mary Lou -----Original Message----- From: Modiano, Victor [mailto:vmodiano@ctronsoft.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 08:43 To: 'bungi' Subject: RE: Brazing Rods If you E-mail to her personally please CC me too. I'm thinking it might be fun to try. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsobt.com -----Original Message----- From: GlsWorks@aol.com [mailto:GlsWorks@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:45 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Brazing Rods I am looking for more specific information in regard to the garden stakes out brazing rods. What size brazing rods did you use, what was the process, etc. I know this was a topic not long ago, but I didn't see the specifics, perhaps I just missed it. Please email me personally or to the group. Thanks, Angie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 10:58:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ooh, my aching hand... Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:01:51 -0700 Message-ID: <199906181601.JAA14275@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Another lurker crawls out of her cave for a moment... > >I'm just a beginner and have already picked up tons >of good advice from you-all! Thanks! > >Now here's my very newbie-ish question. How do >you keep your hand from cramping while holding the >soldering iron??? > >I finished a panel last evening, but by the end, ouch! >Maybe I shouldn't have switched from a soldering >gun to a straight iron, huh? > >I'll crawl back into my cave now. Cheers! Hi PJ Try experimenting with different grips as you hold your iron. You might also look at the height of your working surface relative to your wrist and experiment with adjustments...either by changing your chair or raising/lowering your studio table with blocks. And don't forget...exercise builds muscle...so solder more and it'll get easier! C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 13:11:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:38:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Brazing Rods Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.2445.0> References: <<1999Jun18.14520.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Angie, I go down to my local welder shop. There they sell aluminum, copper, and brass rods. Sorry I do not know the dia of them. There must be at least 6 sizes. What you buy depends on the weight of your project. I buy probably 1/8 inch dia. for my largest butterflies(8"X6") and one about the size of pencil lead for my indoor plant picks. They come in 3' lengths and are sold individually or by the pound, which ever is cheaper. The welder is also where I get my best buy in solder. Good luck and hope that helped. Shirley B Brass is the safest, because it will not bleach out and hurt the plants. It is also very easy to solder to. GlsWorks@aol.com wrote: > > I am looking for more specific information in regard to the garden stakes out > of brazing rods. What size brazing rods did you use, what was the process, > etc. I know this was a topic not long ago, but I didn't see the specifics, > perhaps I just missed it. Please email me personally or to the group. > > Thanks, > Angie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 13:18:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Bud Britt bodies Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:08:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.3834.0> References: <<1999Jun18.24410.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Have you seen Richard Hanley's Hanley 3-D Gift Collection? He has like glass suncatchers on brass rods, the hummingbird looks like it is floating. The rods are embedded in a metal molded base. I was wondering too how to make that base. He is featured in Spring 99 Glass Pattern Quarterly and the Delphi catalog has a 2 page(Page16-17) spread on his kits. I think the idea(as my kids say)is way kewl. Shirley B Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > I visited your butterfly body site. I know I could figure out how to make a > mold similar to yours...but here are my questions: > > 1) Can I use solder droppings? If so, how do I melt? Just drop them in > and heat with my iron? > 2) How do I get the bodies to release from the mold? > 3) Did you put reinforcement in the body itself? > 4) When you said..."attached reinforcement", are you saying you soldered the > reinforcement on, or did you place in the molten solder? > > These might make another 4th grade project! My kids could cut and grind 4 > pieces of glass each. We made glass hearts last year, two pieces. Maybe > we could even fuse the wing parts. I could get all my glass buddies to save > their solder droppings for me, enough to make 22 bodies a year anyway. > > Thanks. Claudette > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 13:31:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:06:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggies are FINISHED !!! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:04:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.9422.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:kleeman@one.net >aren't you going to take it home with you tonight so you can admire it while you are fixing dinner?< Nope. I'm afraid of it now. It's finished and is without any cracks, breaks, tears, etc. It's even top & bottom and (this gags me to say it) looks pretty nice when the light is shining through it. But I still can't stand to look at it. Champagne & pork ribs for all tonight! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 13:52:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: "'Witchdoc3@aol.com'" , 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: NG What they talkin about? was Re: Where we all live? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:04:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.9452.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks Always wondered why a "mind like a steel trap" was a good thing. The traps I've seen were a steel ring and lots of empty space. At least with the steel sieve you hang onto the bigger ideas. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:02 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: NG What they talkin about? was Re: Where we all live? In a message dated 6/17/99 8:27:35 AM, CncptThnkr@AOL.COM writes: >What are these answers to????????? I am lost.........HELP You read my mind....... and if IA (our Resident Intellectual, and that's intended as a compliment ) is confoozled, where does that leave the rest of us? =8-O While an entire quoted message attached to the reply is generally considered an obnoxious waste of bandwidth, IMO the opposite extreme - having to read a reply without at least a snippet of "something that went before" to jog my (ADDled) memory - is far more frustrating. So *PLEEEEEEEEZ*, folks, have mercy on those of us with "minds like steel sieves" and at least give us a hint so we don't have to (1) wade back through our whole back list of mail to figure out what you're talking about (2) cuss ourselves out for having already deleted the message you're replying to (3) dive into the archives to figure it out. Thanks! Sparks (long-time resident of the State of Confusion) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 13:54:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Ooh, my aching hand... Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.9414.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by PJ Jellison >Maybe I shouldn't have switched from a soldering gun to a straight iron, huh?< - What type of soldering iron/gun are you using? - How are you holding it? i.e. like a pencil or like a drumstick? - How long did you solder in one sitting? Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 14:01:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:06:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.4632.0> References: <<1999Jun18.65916.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, Well Diane, you beat me to the punch. Just as I was sitting down to write a summary of this visit [its been a busy week (as usual )] in comes your email. So, I'll just add a few things, odds and ends really, to your description. When she said it was a small operation, she meant like 6 people in the company. The proprietor has been in the biz for 16 years and in his mid to late 30's. Very nice fellow he is too. He said they're small and want to stay that way. One thing he said was that the process is continuous. They run 24/7 year round. This is due to the fact that actually shutting down the furnaces takes many days in order to cool the bricks down properly. If the bricks cool down too quickly, the bricks lining the furnaces crack and deform thereby "leaking" glass. The proprietor said that during the 1989 earthquake they lost electricity and water for a day and this is exactly what happened. The furnaces had to be replaced. Oceana was out of business for 3 months and close to bankruptcy. Glad he was able to get back in operation for the glass itself is quite good, excellent in fact. On-site the glass is actually sold by the pound, $3.75/lb for most colors and for certain colors with gold in them (reds) $4.25/lb. This works out to be about $6/sq ft and $6.80/sq ft respectively. A very good price considering the cost of glass most similar to theirs which is Ouroboros and Youghiogheny. Oceana's glass is best suited for Tiffany-style pieces such as lamps and designs for relatively opaque glass and I would recommend Oceana's glass for anyone doing these styles. Excellent quality. Diane, you may have missed a digit there as I think they do 140 sheets per day. See the sheet they gave us. Why they did at least 25 sheets just while we were standing there for an hour. Actually I clocked those two fellows (I do those kinda things donchano ) and they were doing a pour about every 2-3 min, the cadence being determined by the amount of time required to do the "flaming" step required to "bring the color out". As in chemistry, there are a lot of "little" things about exactly how they do it not included in the written procedures ... not written down that is; trade secrets as it were. So even though he has the original Tiffany formulas, his glass is not "exactly" like Tiffanys or any other. The furnace temps, the degassing time, the exact composition of the atmosphere while heating/mixing which is done overnight, the exact time and method of mixing just prior to pouring and rolling, the times and temps during flaming and then annealing are all variables they tell no one. This is why they don't permit videos during the process though taking still pictures is no problem. I believe we can expect to see a website for Oceana in the near future. He's got the site setup (domain name and so on) but no HTML code yet. I suggested he join the Bungi list when he gets online ... we'll see what happens. Anyway, it was a pleasure to meet you and your family as well as Steve and his son, Evan (who has just started doing glass himself). Get 'em started early eh Steve? Gotta keep movin' ........... regards to all .......... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 15:20:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!GacicA From: GacicA@cs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Slave Labor? NOT! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:57:04 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun18.20574.0> Precedence: bulk I guess I never looked at the possibility that the wages in Mexico are reasonable for people in that country. If thats the case all those illegal aliens paying those big bucks to get here must be real greedy people. What else could they want? I've seen them in the fields in Southern California, what a life, fresh air, sunshine, honest work. The people they work for must treat them really well too, since they always come back after they are deported. It hard sometimes to see the Flying Monkeys Party point of view but I'm trying. Alex Gacic "Privilege is least apparent to those who have it" , Clarence Page ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 15:31:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Brazing Rods Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:02:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.9220.0> Precedence: bulk I'll copy my earlier post to the group. Vic--I tried to forward it to you and it was returned twice... Shari >Angie--I jumped on this bandwagon a little late myself. Just last week I >went out looking for brazing rods. Took a couple of stops, but I finally >found a welding supply place (US Welding) and I'm pretty sure they don't see >many females walk in that place. All business came to a complete >stop--pretty funny. Anyway, after a very confusing conversation with one of >the workers, I finally bought copper brazing rods--both 1/8" and 3/32". (I >told the worker man that I needed them to solder on and he understood that I >was going to use the brazing rod as my "solder" and then launched into a >discussion about at what temperature they will melt...) Anyway, I bought >about 16 3' lengths of the heavier ones and about 20 3' lengths of the >lighter ones and the total bill was $4.45. You can make at least 2 out of a >3' length. The smaller ones are easier to cut (I use a heavy steel file but >there must be an easier way...) but I remember hearing the 1/8" size was >better for not blowing/bending so much in the wind. > >Have fun! Shari > >-----Original Message----- >From: GlsWorks@aol.com >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:12 PM >Subject: Brazing Rods > > >>I am looking for more specific information in regard to the garden stakes >out >>of brazing rods. What size brazing rods did you use, what was the process, >>etc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 16:42:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Piggies are FINISHED !!! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:04:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990618150418.00968100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun18.9422.0>> Precedence: bulk At 01:04 PM 6/18/99 -0400, Christie wrote: >Message text written by INTERNET:kleeman@one.net >>aren't you going to take it home with you tonight so you can admire it >while >you are fixing dinner?< > >Nope. I'm afraid of it now. It's finished and is >without any cracks, breaks, tears, etc. It's even >top & bottom and (this gags me to say it) looks >pretty nice when the light is shining through it. >But I still can't stand to look at it. > >Champagne & pork ribs for all tonight! > Congratulations, Christie! You can't resist sharing that picture we *know* you took, can you? Dinner here is pork tenderloin marinated in bourbon. Is that close enough? Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 16:54:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:13:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990618151334.0096b490@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun18.65916.0>> Precedence: bulk At 11:06 AM 6/18/99 -0700, Bob Kerr wrote: [clip] >I believe we can expect to see a website for Oceana in the near future. He's >got the site setup (domain name and so on) but no HTML code yet. I suggested >he join the Bungi list when he gets online ... we'll see what happens. Diane's and Bob's reports on Oceana have said it all. Nice job, guys! I scanned Oceana's color brochure and got images that are pretty faithful to the printed originals. If anyone would like an e-mail copy, let me know. There are three pages...each page is in a JPEG-format file that is about 250 kbytes long. >Anyway, it was a pleasure to meet you and your family as well as Steve and >his son, Evan (who has just started doing glass himself). Get 'em started >early eh Steve? It's hard to hire good help, and he'll work for food! ;-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 19:12:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:39:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Piggies are FINISHED !!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 01:36:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199906190042.AAA24179@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well Done Christie, Your experiences with the piggies have kept me enthralled throughout!! Keep some champagne for me - will y'a. In Sweden we shove an apple in between the jaws of piglets and roast the whole shebang for Christmas.... August.... Here I come... Take care now Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Christie wrote: > But I still can't stand to look at it. > > Champagne & pork ribs for all tonight! > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 19:33:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Diane W Manchester" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.174554.0> References: <<1999Jun18.65916.0>> Precedence: bulk Half a dozen employees, factory started a 'few decades ago' (I think that= 's about half a century(?), 40 sheets a day, $15/sheet. That's about $600.00 income in a day. Come on, if you're going to report something try for a little bit of accuracy... ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane W Manchester To: Sent: June 18, 1999 10:59 AM Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass > Hello bungians, > > Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in > Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit Oceana, a= nd > I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the > glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to meet Stev= e > Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from Cupertino), > and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's here for a > visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his > humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! > > Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a small, and ver= y > laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. > Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs > only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy their work. > They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. > Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per > furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces > overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat=85=85it's hot in there! = The > next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the > colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound of lava/gla= ss > out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed > and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into another oven th= at > shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the color. At > that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which moves the gla= ss > through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet of glass to > travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the glass - not = to > brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any rough edge= s > and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per > crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation > small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from > Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) > > At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you > bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. > > This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz area, it'= s > a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to visit too, b= ut > this family operation was a treat! > > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Carthage, NC > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 19:55:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: NG What they talkin about? was Re: Where we all live? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:55:09 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.21559.0> References: <<1999Jun18.9452.0>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk I could be wrong, but I think this was an old post - the subject was in regard to the list Tim was keeping of where Bungians live, and he'd given a couple of options as to the best way of keeping a list? I remember the consensus was that #4 option was the best. perhaps it got re-sent by accident, or lost in that strange ethereal world that seems to accompany e-lists.... Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 20:47:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:14:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:08:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.13831.0> References: <<1999Jun18.174554.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Come on... BE NICE... If you're going to respond to someone ... BE NICE.... (read DON'T BE A JERK). Thanks, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Figgy To: Diane W Manchester ; Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 6:45 PM Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass > Half a dozen employees, factory started a 'few decades ago' (I think that= > 's > about half a century(?), 40 sheets a day, $15/sheet. That's about $600.00 > income in a day. Come on, if you're going to report something try for a > little bit of accuracy... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Diane W Manchester > To: > Sent: June 18, 1999 10:59 AM > Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > > > Hello bungians, > > > > Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in > > Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit Oceana, a= > nd > > I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the > > glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to meet Stev= > e > > Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from Cupertino), > > and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's here for a > > visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his > > humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! > > > > Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a small, and ver= > y > > laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. > > Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs > > only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy their work. > > They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. > > Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per > > furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces > > overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat=85=85it's hot in there! = > The > > next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the > > colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound of lava/gla= > ss > > out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed > > and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into another oven th= > at > > shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the color. At > > that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which moves the gla= > ss > > through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet of glass to > > travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the glass - not = > to > > brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any rough edge= > s > > and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per > > crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation > > small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from > > Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) > > > > At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you > > bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. > > > > This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz area, it'= > s > > a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to visit too, b= > ut > > this family operation was a treat! > > > > Diane Manchester > > Tiffany Styled Originals > > Carthage, NC > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 21:07:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:21:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:17:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.191725.0> Precedence: bulk Mikey, Relax and lighten up a bit. She was just sharing with us. We didn't want a report from Oceana's accountant. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Mike Figgy To: Diane W Manchester ; glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:38 PM Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass >Half a dozen employees, factory started a 'few decades ago' (I think that= >'s >about half a century(?), 40 sheets a day, $15/sheet. That's about $600.00 >income in a day. Come on, if you're going to report something try for a >little bit of accuracy... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Diane W Manchester >To: >Sent: June 18, 1999 10:59 AM >Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > >> Hello bungians, >> >> Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in >> Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit Oceana, a= >nd >> I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the >> glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to meet Stev= >e >> Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from Cupertino), >> and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's here for a >> visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his >> humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! >> >> Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a small, and ver= >y >> laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. >> Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs >> only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy their work. >> They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. >> Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per >> furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces >> overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat=85=85it's hot in there! = >The >> next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the >> colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound of lava/gla= >ss >> out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed >> and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into another oven th= >at >> shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the color. At >> that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which moves the gla= >ss >> through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet of glass to >> travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the glass - not = >to >> brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any rough edge= >s >> and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per >> crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation >> small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from >> Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) >> >> At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you >> bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. >> >> This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz area, it'= >s >> a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to visit too, b= >ut >> this family operation was a treat! >> >> Diane Manchester >> Tiffany Styled Originals >> Carthage, NC >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 21:36:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:15:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.131536.0> References: <<1999Jun18.174554.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Further, to "Be Nice".... When someone takes the time to report to the group... I for ONE appreciate it. This is not a scientific journal w/ editors for g-sake. Clarification/correction of errors can be graciously requested, and the person acknowledged for their gift of their time/experience/effort. In the same way, I want to say: I don't want to offend you, Mike, rather request a little light handed compassion when correcting someone as gracious and giving as the author of "A Visit To Oceana Glass". Her report on Oceana Glass was WELL APPRECIATED by me. In fact, it made me anxious to visit and buy from them. Thanks, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Figgy To: Diane W Manchester ; Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 6:45 PM Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass > Half a dozen employees, factory started a 'few decades ago' (I think that= > 's > about half a century(?), 40 sheets a day, $15/sheet. That's about $600.00 > income in a day. Come on, if you're going to report something try for a > little bit of accuracy... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Diane W Manchester > To: > Sent: June 18, 1999 10:59 AM > Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > > > Hello bungians, > > > > Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in > > Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit Oceana, a= > nd > > I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the > > glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to meet Stev= > e > > Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from Cupertino), > > and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's here for a > > visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his > > humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! > > > > Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a small, and ver= > y > > laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. > > Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs > > only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy their work. > > They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. > > Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per > > furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces > > overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat=85=85it's hot in there! = > The > > next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the > > colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound of lava/gla= > ss > > out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed > > and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into another oven th= > at > > shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the color. At > > that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which moves the gla= > ss > > through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet of glass to > > travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the glass - not = > to > > brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any rough edge= > s > > and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per > > crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation > > small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from > > Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) > > > > At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you > > bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. > > > > This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz area, it'= > s > > a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to visit too, b= > ut > > this family operation was a treat! > > > > Diane Manchester > > Tiffany Styled Originals > > Carthage, NC > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 23:00:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: orion.amfd.com.au!bgh From: bgh@orion.amfd.com.au To: j_marty@hokinfoserver.hok.dk Subject: hi Date: Fri, 18 Jun 99 21:11:40 EST Message-ID: <199906190445.OAA00789@orion.amfd.com.au> Precedence: bulk FREE MONEY FOR YOU! 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Call 1-877-RIO-BETS or 1-800-809-3246 Or visit our web-site at http://www.betrio.com or http://www.riosports.com Thank you for your time and consideration. * a free 5-team parlay that pays $2,000. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 18 23:13:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:57:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "EastGateXX@msn.com" , Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:53:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun18.205316.0> Precedence: bulk Ditto, LJ -----Original Message----- From: EastGateXX@msn.com To: Bungi Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 12:40 AM Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass >Further, to "Be Nice".... >When someone takes the time to report to the group... I for ONE appreciate >it. This is not a scientific journal w/ editors for g-sake. > >Clarification/correction of errors can be graciously requested, and the >person acknowledged for their gift of their time/experience/effort. > >In the same way, I want to say: I don't want to offend you, Mike, rather >request a little light handed compassion when correcting someone as gracious >and giving as the author of "A Visit To Oceana Glass". > >Her report on Oceana Glass was WELL APPRECIATED by me. In fact, it made me >anxious to visit and buy from them. > >Thanks, > >Alan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mike Figgy >To: Diane W Manchester ; >Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 6:45 PM >Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > >> Half a dozen employees, factory started a 'few decades ago' (I think that= >> 's >> about half a century(?), 40 sheets a day, $15/sheet. That's about $600.00 >> income in a day. Come on, if you're going to report something try for a >> little bit of accuracy... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Diane W Manchester >> To: >> Sent: June 18, 1999 10:59 AM >> Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass >> >> >> > Hello bungians, >> > >> > Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in >> > Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit Oceana, a= >> nd >> > I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the >> > glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to meet Stev= >> e >> > Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from Cupertino), >> > and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's here for a >> > visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his >> > humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! >> > >> > Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a small, and ver= >> y >> > laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. >> > Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs >> > only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy their work. >> > They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. >> > Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per >> > furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces >> > overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat=85=85it's hot in there! = >> The >> > next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the >> > colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound of lava/gla= >> ss >> > out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed >> > and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into another oven th= >> at >> > shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the color. At >> > that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which moves the gla= >> ss >> > through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet of glass to >> > travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the glass - not = >> to >> > brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any rough edge= >> s >> > and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per >> > crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation >> > small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from >> > Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) >> > >> > At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you >> > bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. >> > >> > This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz area, it'= >> s >> > a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to visit too, b= >> ut >> > this family operation was a treat! >> > >> > Diane Manchester >> > Tiffany Styled Originals >> > Carthage, NC >> > ---- >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 04:32:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Brazing Rods Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:57:58 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun19.105758.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/18/99 4:14:28 PM, balloch@netbridge.net writes: >Brass is the safest, because it will not bleach out and hurt the plants. >It is also very easy to solder to. A couple of words of caution, because we've seen several brass stakes break in freezing weather: If you bend the rod at all, make sure you anneal the bend (a propane torch works well for this, just heat the area until it's red-hot) so it doesn't become brittle. Tell folks to "treat the stakes as if they were houseplants" and bring them indoors if it's expected to get cold. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 04:50:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Piggies are FINISHED !!! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:02:55 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun19.11255.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/18/99 7:43:52 PM, steve@villagesoftsmith.com writes: >Dinner here is pork tenderloin marinated in bourbon. Is that close enough? Sounds good to me. I had sugar-glazed ham last night..... sounds like we're all getting those piggies out of our system! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 04:59:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG What they talkin about? was Re: Where we all live? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:05:07 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun19.1157.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/18/99 10:56:10 PM, ktsplash@mpx.com.au writes: >I could be wrong, but I think this was an old post [...] >perhaps it got re-sent by accident, or lost in that strange ethereal world >that seems to accompany e-lists.... ni-ni ni-ni, ni-ni ni-ni............ You have just entered THE LISTSERVER ZONE. Be afraid, be very afraid......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 05:07:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:07:30 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun19.11730.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/18/99 11:48:44 PM, EastGateXX@email.msn.com writes: >Come on... BE NICE... I second that emotion. Everybody makes typos occasionally! Spsrks :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 07:32:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sky.net!dwood From: "Charles R. Clark" To: "EastGateXX@msn.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 08:59:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.35912.0> References: <<1999Jun18.13831.0>> Precedence: bulk Me to :-) "EastGateXX@msn.com" wrote: > > Come on... BE NICE... > > If you're going to respond to someone ... BE NICE.... (read DON'T BE A > JERK). > > Thanks, > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Figgy > To: Diane W Manchester ; > Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > > Half a dozen employees, factory started a 'few decades ago' (I think that= > > 's > > about half a century(?), 40 sheets a day, $15/sheet. That's about $600.00 > > income in a day. Come on, if you're going to report something try for a > > little bit of accuracy... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Diane W Manchester > > To: > > Sent: June 18, 1999 10:59 AM > > Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > > > > > > Hello bungians, > > > > > > Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in > > > Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit Oceana, a= > > nd > > > I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the > > > glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to meet Stev= > > e > > > Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from Cupertino), > > > and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's here for a > > > visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his > > > humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! > > > > > > Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a small, and ver= > > y > > > laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. > > > Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs > > > only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy their work. > > > They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. > > > Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per > > > furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces > > > overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat=85=85it's hot in there! = > > The > > > next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the > > > colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound of lava/gla= > > ss > > > out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed > > > and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into another oven th= > > at > > > shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the color. At > > > that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which moves the gla= > > ss > > > through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet of glass to > > > travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the glass - not = > > to > > > brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any rough edge= > > s > > > and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per > > > crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation > > > small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from > > > Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) > > > > > > At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you > > > bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. > > > > > > This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz area, it'= > > s > > > a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to visit too, b= > > ut > > > this family operation was a treat! > > > > > > Diane Manchester > > > Tiffany Styled Originals > > > Carthage, NC > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 07:42:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:06:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Oceana visit Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:08:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.6810.0> Precedence: bulk Just to clarify what the original post said, it stated this: Approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per crate) were made a day, (which equals approx. 120 sheets). It also stated that the $15 per sheet price was if you bought at the factory; we can assume that it costs more when shipping/ordering is involved. Thanks for the read. Diane Manchester ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 08:05:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:32:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Grinding with gloves???!!!!! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:23:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.62351.0> Precedence: bulk Another great fingertip protector while grinding is the following: 1) Lightly grind the entire perimeter of the piece to remove any sharp little edges, then 2) use the rubber sectretary tips to protect fingers. Diane Manchester ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 14:33:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Commission Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.131424.0> Precedence: bulk Well, just got a project to work on. It contains a dolphin, the earth and a crop circle! She like the dolphin part so much, she started musing...dolphin in the water, a waterfall, mountains in back, a rainbow, so I pulled out a piece of paper and started sketching, saying "Easy...' and she said, "Well, not right away..."but I know she's thinking about it.... Also working on a golfer. The golpher was easy. it's the fairway that's killing me! And a lupine with a dragonfly. There are days I hate flowers with lots of small parts! This is supposed to be my slow period.... Dorothy (who will still make it to Glass Visions...) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 16:04:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:46:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.144654.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Steve Wernecke >Congratulations, Christie! You can't resist sharing that picture we *know* you took, can you?< Acutally, I did take several photos of piggies, but they are the first in a roll of 36 so don't be bugging me for them anytime soon. My husband says I've managed to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (so to speak) with this project. The owner picked it up today. Can you believe we ended up haggling over the price, but all's well that ends well. Now here's the strange part.....he brought back with him a portrait of his pet pig, which I did for him in stained glass back in December. Seems he placed it in a window, and the wind knocked it off it's chain and, well, could I repair the four broken pieces in the PIG, please? Aaaarrrrrgggghhh! Just as I get 8 piggies out of the studio, another one shows up for repair. I can't get them out! Help! I told him I would have it repaired for pickup next Saturday, and by golly, I'm going to get it repaired and out of here sooner if I can! And then the owner told me they had just gotten a 2nd pig, and he might commission me to do a 2nd pig portrait! Aaaaarrrrggggghhh!!!! Help!!!!!!! This is getting like the Twilight Zone! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 16:36:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Christie A. Wood" , Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:17:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.151728.0> Precedence: bulk Tisk, tisk, Pig Twilight Zone....... Kewl!!! You must just have good pig karma. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 7:10 PM Subject: Piggie update 6/19/99 >Message text written by Steve Wernecke >>Congratulations, Christie! You can't resist sharing that picture we >*know* >you took, can you?< > >Acutally, I did take several photos of piggies, but they are the >first in a roll of 36 so don't be bugging me for them anytime >soon. > >My husband says I've managed to make a silk purse out >of a sow's ear (so to speak) with this project. > >The owner picked it up today. Can you believe we ended >up haggling over the price, but all's well that ends well. > >Now here's the strange part.....he brought back with him >a portrait of his pet pig, which I did for him in stained glass >back in December. Seems he placed it in a window, and >the wind knocked it off it's chain and, well, could I repair >the four broken pieces in the PIG, please? > >Aaaarrrrrgggghhh! Just as I get 8 piggies out of the >studio, another one shows up for repair. I can't get them >out! Help! I told him I would have it repaired for pickup >next Saturday, and by golly, I'm going to get it repaired >and out of here sooner if I can! And then the owner told >me they had just gotten a 2nd pig, and he might commission >me to do a 2nd pig portrait! Aaaaarrrrggggghhh!!!! > >Help!!!!!!! This is getting like the Twilight Zone! > >Christie Wood >Art Glass Ensembles >http://www.igga.org/wood/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 17:08:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: piggies Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:01:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.10150.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Did you see Dateline or what ever it was last night. Some artist was making life size cows. He had Marilyn Monroe cow, Holely Cow, triple decker cows, just to name a few. I was flipping channels, but I think they said they are all over Chicago. I am afraid to admit, but I liked them. Probably my rural roots showing. So here is a thought. Pigs, pigs, and more pigs An idea, pigs in wigs, Pigs with twigs, Pigs wearing only figs. Pigs with smiley faces, Pigs in outragious places, Pigs on peoples faces. Pigs on hats, Pigs with cats, Pigs with the Cat in the Hat. Pigs in top hat and tails, Pigs setting the sails, Pigs(and I know you will like this one)being beaten by hail. Pigs super slim, Pigs working out in the gym, Pigs singing a hymn. Pigs on vacation, Pigs displaying their vocation, Pigs in every location. Pigs driving the car, Pigs wishing on a star, Pigs near yet far. Pigs playing sports, Pigs out of sorts, Pigs wearing shorts. Pigs that are big spenders, Pigs wearing suspenders, Pigs on a bender. Pigs in bed with the flu, Pigs crying Boo hoo, Pigs that look like you!!! Pigs, pigs, pigs, what to do?????? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 17:41:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:01:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.16141.0> References: <<1999Jun19.144654.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie, Are you sure you haven't ticked off a gypsy somewhere along the way? Sounds like a curse to me! Jerri (I think I prefer my two guinea pigs.) > Aaaarrrrrgggghhh! Just as I get 8 piggies out of the > studio, another one shows up for repair. I can't get them > out! Help! I told him I would have it repaired for pickup > next Saturday, and by golly, I'm going to get it repaired > and out of here sooner if I can! And then the owner told > me they had just gotten a 2nd pig, and he might commission > me to do a 2nd pig portrait! Aaaaarrrrggggghhh!!!! > > Help!!!!!!! This is getting like the Twilight Zone! > > Christie Wood > Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 17:51:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bringing home the bacon was Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:15:39 -0700 Message-ID: <199906200015.RAA16220@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Now here's the strange part.....he brought back with him >a portrait of his pet pig, which I did for him in stained glass >back in December. Seems he placed it in a window, and >the wind knocked it off it's chain and, well, could I repair >the four broken pieces in the PIG, please? > >Aaaarrrrrgggghhh! Just as I get 8 piggies out of the >studio, another one shows up for repair. I can't get them >out! Help! I told him I would have it repaired for pickup >next Saturday, and by golly, I'm going to get it repaired >and out of here sooner if I can! And then the owner told >me they had just gotten a 2nd pig, and he might commission >me to do a 2nd pig portrait! Aaaaarrrrggggghhh!!!! Hey Christie... As I said in my offline message...put angel wings on pink pigs and FLY with it...you'll be bringing home the bacon in no time! C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 18:02:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:23:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:22:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990619172203.0095bcc0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Jun19.144654.0>> Precedence: bulk At 06:46 PM 6/19/99 -0400, Christie Wood wrote: > >Now here's the strange part.....he brought back with him >a portrait of his pet pig, which I did for him in stained glass >back in December. Seems he placed it in a window, and >the wind knocked it off it's chain and, well, could I repair >the four broken pieces in the PIG, please? > >Aaaarrrrrgggghhh! Just as I get 8 piggies out of the >studio, another one shows up for repair. I can't get them >out! Help! I told him I would have it repaired for pickup >next Saturday, and by golly, I'm going to get it repaired >and out of here sooner if I can! And then the owner told >me they had just gotten a 2nd pig, and he might commission >me to do a 2nd pig portrait! Aaaaarrrrggggghhh!!!! > Some people just have greatness thrust upon them! Look on the bright side...it'll be another occasion for champagne and ribs ;-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 18:49:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:00:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:53:58 -0400 Message-ID: <199906200054.UAA17500@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >> >>Aaaarrrrrgggghhh! Just as I get 8 piggies out of the >>studio, another one shows up for repair. I can't get them >>out! Help! I told him I would have it repaired for pickup >>next Saturday, and by golly, I'm going to get it repaired >>and out of here sooner if I can! And then the owner told >>me they had just gotten a 2nd pig, and he might commission >>me to do a 2nd pig portrait! Aaaaarrrrggggghhh!!!! >> >>Help!!!!!!! This is getting like the Twilight Zone! Just want to report to y'all that I am probably the only other Bunginian (with the exception of Sparks) to have the pleasure of viewing this pig lamp today, before the above-mentioned event. Glad I wasn't there when the owner told Christie he'd gotten another pig. I'm surprised she's still sane. By the way, the pig lamp is quite...well...it's done nicely...it's actually *faces* of pigs, not their whole bodies. A different face graces the whole girth. Some have more prominent snouts, some have black baroque ears...these are piggies with character! Christie, my hat's off to you - you have true grit! suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 19:00:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "Linda Jo Letscher" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:10:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.171050.0> References: <<1999Jun18.205316.0>> Precedence: bulk While I wasn't trying to be 'nasty', I agree that nice I wasn't either. I still stand by my comments that the person was sloppy with the facts. Whether it was as the result if misinformation or just 'lazy happy talk' it was another missed opportunity to inform and add to this collective in a (more) productive manner. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 21:44:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:22:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Mike Figgy" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:19:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.141927.0> Precedence: bulk >>They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per crate) a day. << So, if at the factory they sell the glass for an average of $15.00 a sheet, the income potential would be $1800.00 a day. No doubt there are discounts for volume purchases. Mike, you say $600.00! How about an apology and a promise to be accurate in the future. Or, better yet, do as I don't and let little things go. I was very pleased to get the two reviews. I had seen some discounted Oceana glass at a wholesaler and did not like it. Must have been rejects which explains the low price. I will give Oceana another look because of the reviews. ............. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 *Pray for me, you'll feel better.* -----Original Message----- From: Mike Figgy To: Diane W Manchester ; glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass >Half a dozen employees, factory started a 'few decades ago' (I think that= >'s >about half a century(?), 40 sheets a day, $15/sheet. That's about $600.00 >income in a day. Come on, if you're going to report something try for a >little bit of accuracy... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Diane W Manchester >To: >Sent: June 18, 1999 10:59 AM >Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > >> Hello bungians, >> >> Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in >> Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit Oceana, a= >nd >> I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the >> glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to meet Stev= >e >> Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from Cupertino), >> and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's here for a >> visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his >> humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! >> >> Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a small, and ver= >y >> laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. >> Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs >> only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy their work. >> They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. >> Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per >> furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces >> overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat=85=85it's hot in there! = >The >> next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the >> colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound of lava/gla= >ss >> out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed >> and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into another oven th= >at >> shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the color. At >> that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which moves the gla= >ss >> through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet of glass to >> travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the glass - not = >to >> brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any rough edge= >s >> and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per >> crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation >> small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from >> Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) >> >> At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you >> bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. >> >> This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz area, it'= >s >> a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to visit too, b= >ut >> this family operation was a treat! >> >> Diane Manchester >> Tiffany Styled Originals >> Carthage, NC >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 22:12:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: NG: What I have been up to lately Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:34:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.143436.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Just wanted to say hi, and let you all know about something that I have been up to lately. http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/index.htm The link above is for the first page of a small website that I and the voices, put together for the members of another glass list I subscribe to. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 19 23:33:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: advie on legal advice concerning stained glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:01:54 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.9154.0> Precedence: bulk hello i'm still kind of new to the group - i have recently had a rude awaking to the contracts and how people try to get out of them. this ws our first large job we really were counting on (we ahve recently been advised of cnacer in our family and a job loss at the same time) and the money it was to bring in . however they had delayed the time table so we had to work around the clock (while attending doctor appts) we did meet the dead line by two days. in the mean time i was honest and told them they may be dealing with another person whom i was working with and ther reason being medical, so as not the surprise them with another person. our company met with them in person as well as a letter outlining the terms and sizing and coloers to be silkcreened on and the colors matched by pantone chart. leaving no room for error.. in the mean time we started the project after the signed contract. i was advise we would be paid for the full amount (which we were very pleased for we usually only ask half up front and half on completed project) later anfeter no check arrived and product had arrived i called (we are sole propritershio(spelling)) they said oh didn't i tell you since you are not incorporated we can only pay when receiving goods. this did not settle well but we were only 7days away so i agreed . when delivery took place she came up with excusses such as i thought they would be cut out not on bevel well it had copy of photo and a real bevel given to her and also sid the ring at top came off also it took a chip of glass with it (any of you which use uv glue know how strong it is ) and to do this it would have had to pried off with something. i have never tken anyone to court. however since special order of 3700 bevels they will not refund even with restok fee(I dont blame the glass company) only that i'm stuck without pay . i know this is long but wanted to advise as much as possible and see if you can help on advice and if you think this is correct way to habndle (give to lawyer and get out of our hands) - thanks ricky glassx@bardstown.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 01:03:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Glass Expressions" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: advie on legal advice concerning stained glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:24:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.172431.0> Precedence: bulk >>. i know this is long but wanted to advise as much as possible and see if you can help on advice and if you think this is correct way to habndle (give to lawyer and get out of our hands) - thanks ricky glassx@bardstown.com << Not sure where you are but in most states you can take the action to small claims court for not much monitary investment. In CA small claims court awards can total $5000.00. Trouble is, small claims or superior court or supreme court does not mean much if you can not collect a judgement should you get a favorable one. It sounds to me like you have a very slick client on your hands. I would not throw more good money after bad. ................. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 04:36:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 03:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Mike Figgy , Linda Jo Letscher , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 03:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun19.205837.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Mike... ease up a little... I bet yu neever mad a miztake it anytin yo rite. Rick --- Mike Figgy wrote: > While I wasn't trying to be 'nasty', I agree > that nice I wasn't either. > I still stand by my comments that the person was > sloppy with the facts. > Whether it was as the result if misinformation or > just 'lazy happy talk' it > was another missed opportunity to inform and add to > this collective in a > (more) productive manner. > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 04:45:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Bud Britt , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: What I have been up to lately Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun19.21344.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, I took a visit to the ssite, very nice job, and the memeber gallery has some nice work in it, yours included. Keep it up. Rick --- Bud Britt wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Just wanted to say hi, and let you all know about > something that I have been > up to lately. > > http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/index.htm > > The link above is for the first page of a small > website that I and the > voices, put together for the members of another > glass list I subscribe to. > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 05:38:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Bungi Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:14:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun19.22145.0> References: <<1999Jun19.171050.0>> Precedence: bulk Mike Figgy wrote: > While I wasn't trying to be 'nasty', I agree that nice I wasn't either. > I still stand by my comments that the person was sloppy with the facts. > Whether it was as the result if misinformation or just 'lazy happy talk' it > was another missed opportunity to inform and add to this collective in a > (more) productive manner. Mike, The collective? Bungi = The Borg? Have we been watching a bit of Star Trek TNG lately? [Couldn't resist saying that. ] Actually, I misread that part of Diane's first post myself. My apologies Diane. Swish Swish Swish. [sound of Bob hitting the back of his hand with a feather brush]. That'll teach me (for the millionth time ) to read more closely and write mo betta. Hey, lets all be cool and get back to glass now, shall we? Regards to all .......... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 05:48:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 (sorta NG, ok, very NG) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:09:30 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun20.12930.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/19/99 7:05:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: > and he might commission me to do a 2nd pig portrait! Aaaaarrrrggggghhh!!!! > > Help!!!!!!! This is getting like the Twilight Zone! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles Christine, Had it occurred to you that soon you will need to revise your biz name? If you need help, you know Bungi is "here for you". I'm not sure if Christine Wood Art Glass Oinkers is quite what you are looking for, but I think I am on the right track. Ohhhhh, wait, I've got something that may work, do you remember the Muppet's Show?? a segment called "Pigs in Space"? That voice over with "Pigs in Glass" just may work. Now, this is only if you plan on going to radio or television advertising and I promise I won't suggest Miss Piggy as your celebrity endorser, but you have to admit she is a well known and as far as I know, out of work right now. Congrats on finishing the pig project and I wish you luck with the speed of the repair. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 07:41:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:57:52 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun20.135752.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/19/99 7:37:52 PM, andor@ilnk.com writes: >Tisk, tisk, Pig Twilight Zone....... Kewl!!! You must just have good pig >karma. Take it from me........ it's more like very *bad* pig karma! Sparks who had a rack of ribs at TGI Friday's last night ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 07:51:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 06:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:58:50 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun20.135850.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/19/99 9:50:34 PM, suzy@ComCAT.COM writes: >Some have more prominent snouts, some have black baroque >ears...these are piggies with character! And a couple of them are sticking their tongues out. I suppose we could take that as an inside joke, a figurative "nyaah nyaah, " to the customer for all the aggravation this thing has caused......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 08:01:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: advice on legal advice concerning stained glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:57:41 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun20.135741.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/20/99 2:34:41 AM, glassx@bardstown.com writes: >i have recently had a rude >awaking to the contracts and how people try to get out of them. Find a good business lawyer. Not only can they handle your lawsuit, they can review and advise on the wording of your contracts (including your rights and responsibilities regarding subcontractors, which appears to have been an issue here) as well as the structure of your business itself - specifically whether it might be to your advantage overall to incorporate even though you're the only owner. Even if you decide not to sue, a good lawyer can help you protect yourself against things like this happening again. Good luck! Sparks a subcontractor who gets hives at the very mention of lawyers ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 08:17:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:36:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggy for lunch! Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:36:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.63636.0> Precedence: bulk Loved the" piggie saga".....We are having sugar cured "Smithfield Ham" here for Father's Day!...Happy Father's Day to all you Dads out there today....Take care ,Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 09:16:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:42:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.74211.0> References: <<1999Jun20.135850.0>> Precedence: bulk I recall a story (and I may recall it wrong, since I don't necessarily remember my own stories correctly) about the carvers of carousel horses. If they were carving for someone they didn't like, who perhaps didn't pay too well, they would carve horses with their tongues lolling out. Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/19/99 9:50:34 PM, suzy@ComCAT.COM writes: > > >Some have more prominent snouts, some have black baroque > >ears...these are piggies with character! > > And a couple of them are sticking their tongues out. I suppose we could take > that as an inside joke, a figurative "nyaah nyaah, " to the > customer for all the aggravation this thing has caused......... > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 09:31:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Mike Figgy" , Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:40:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.14051.0> References: <<003601bebab9$fae23f40$a454b5cf@netcom.ca>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk I understand, and actually agree that sloppy facts are mis-information regardless of the reason. Sometimes, especially in writing, our intentions are too easily misunderstood. And, perhaps the "tone" takes more importance than the actually message. And, in this case, a thread was created by your diligence, which caused a greater awareness and hopefully practice of reporting accurately. Thanks for that, and thanks for being a sport about being called on your tone. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Figgy To: Linda Jo Letscher ; EastGateXX@msn.com ; Bungi Sent: Saturday, June 19, 1999 6:10 PM Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass > While I wasn't trying to be 'nasty', I agree that nice I wasn't either. > I still stand by my comments that the person was sloppy with the facts. > Whether it was as the result if misinformation or just 'lazy happy talk' it > was another missed opportunity to inform and add to this collective in a > (more) productive manner. > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 09:44:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:53:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: , Subject: Re: advice on legal advice concerning stained glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:48:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.14840.0> References: <<1999Jun20.135741.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk I agree with this. You sound like you can use advice that not only addresses this matter (win or lose - you'll feel better knowing where you stand) but also addresses your business prospects and procedures for the future. Look to the future - forewarned and forearmed. We recently had a post by an artist (in Australia in think) that "hounded" (my word) a man that bought a gift for his wife - until she got payment. We all applauded her tenacity and resolve. Sometimes it's "better" to let it go - sometimes not. You get to decide. Remember, we "pay" ($$ or effort) for education one way or another. As long as I remember that it makes the "pay as you go" plan a little easier for me. Good luck, Let us know. Alan EastGateXX@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 6:57 AM Subject: Re: advice on legal advice concerning stained glass > > In a message dated 6/20/99 2:34:41 AM, glassx@bardstown.com writes: > > >i have recently had a rude > >awaking to the contracts and how people try to get out of them. > > Find a good business lawyer. Not only can they handle your lawsuit, they can > review and advise on the wording of your contracts (including your rights and > responsibilities regarding subcontractors, which appears to have been an > issue here) as well as the structure of your business itself - specifically > whether it might be to your advantage overall to incorporate even though > you're the only owner. > > Even if you decide not to sue, a good lawyer can help you protect yourself > against things like this happening again. > > Good luck! > > > Sparks > a subcontractor who gets hives at the very mention of lawyers > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 10:49:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bringing home the bacon was Piggie update 6/19/99 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:59:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.85958.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:seaspray@island.net >As I said in my offline message...put angel wings on pink pigs and FLY with it...you'll be bringing home the bacon in no time!< Thanks to all who sent me the cute pig jokes, pig pictures and pig poetry. I think I will just change my ways. I'm going to make a 3 little pigs (with wings) mobile. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 11:00:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:12:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glassx@bardstown.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: advie on legal advice concerning stained glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:07:32 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun20.17732.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Ricky, You don't say whether this is a company or an individual, but I am going to assume a company since they made that lame excuse about not paying an unincorporated entity. You can hire Dun & Bradstreet to collect your debts for one year for $175.00 plus 25% of what they recover (sometimes you can work a deal with them for less on a really large debt that is not very old). They will hound them and if they don't get results turn it over to a lawyer for the legal steps. The first thing you need to do is send a letter that is marked at the top 'FINAL DEMAND FOR PAYMENT". In the letter you just state that this is the final demand for payment of such-and-such before it is turned over to Dun & Bradstreet for collection and give them 10 days to pay. The important thing is the letter should be sent certified mail with signature required and return receipt requested, even if they are located next door. This is your proof that you have tried to collect. If nothing else you can take a bad debt loss on your income tax. 90% of our deadbeat customers pay up because they are afraid of being reported in D&B. The other 10% we let D&B hound them until they are bankrupt or out of business. Hope this helps. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 12:22:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: advie on legal advice concerning stained glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:30:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199906201829.OAA07432@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > paying an unincorporated entity. You can hire Dun & Bradstreet to > collect your debts for one year for $175.00 plus 25% of what they > recover I never had very good luck with Dun & Bradstreet (giant corporation with thousands of clerks who don't really care, was my impression), but with Milliken & Michaels I got good results, no upfront costs, although 1/3 of whatever's collected (which I guess works out to about the same thing). By the way, you should add to your contract some phrasing like, "If Lewis brings a legal action to collect any sums due under this Agreement, he shall be entitled to collect, in addition to all damages, his costs of collection, including reasonable attorney's fees." That way, the customer (not *you) pays all your attorney fees and collection fees. Substitute your name or your studio's name for "Lewis," of course. Milliken & Michaels have offices around the country and overseas, can collect even from speakers of languages other than English. Give 'em a try: Milliken & Michaels 802 Silverlake Boulevard Dover DE 19901 Phone: ( 302 ) 735 - 4891 Fax: (302) 735-4893 Good luck! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 13:23:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: advie on legal advice concerning stained glass Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:34:37 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun20.193437.0> Precedence: bulk Good point Albert re the additional wording in the contract, and we used Milliken & Michaels for years before switching last year to Dun & Bradstreet. You're correct about their not doing too much for the money, it's the name that scares most larger companies into paying. Of course, if your personality allows it, the best bet is to hound them yourself, especially in person, and save the percentage. My personality doesn't lend itself to that, but we have an excellent collection gal that's a real tiger and if she can't collect it, nobody can! So we use D&B as a last resort before writing off the debt. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 13:56:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hazy patina Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:14:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.61446.0> References: <<1999Jun16.13323.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Monica... I've seen that happen, and from a variety of causes. So, lest I take a leap of faith, and make a real live fool of myself in front of Everyone, can you tell us a little bit more about your project... 1) what kind of flux are you using? How old is it? 2) what brand of solder, and the mixture (50/50, 60/40 etc) 3) what are you using as a wash to remove the flux? 4) how long was the flux left on the piece before it was washed off? 4) what brand and color of patina (and how old is it?) Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Monica wrote: > Hi everyone, > Thanks for the feed back. Perhaps it's not the finishing thats giving me a > problem. I applied the patina and almost immediately got a whitish looking > haze over the piece. It has a very flat dull looking finish. Could this be > caused by something else? > Monica > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 15:17:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Piggie update 6/19/99 (sorta NG, ok, very NG) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:58:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.11582.0> Precedence: bulk Or rename you studio......... In a Pig's Glass Sorry, Couldn't resist. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 16:46:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:08:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: I'mmmmm Baaack! Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:41:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.12411.0> Precedence: bulk Hey, remember me?. Just got back from three weeks in Ohio. Great to be home I was getting glass withdrawal symptoms. I did find quite a few glass places, two which struck me as great. The first one is in Beaver Creek, Ohio, called Busy Beaver Crafts. What a place... wall to wall crafts in a small house with a basement full of glass. Literally, you had to step over yarn, doll parts, candle making supplies, bits and pieces of everything imaginable for crafts. At the back corner were some of the glass supplies. As I started gazing at the array of supplies I noticed a rack of pattern books and started thumbing through them. Then my eye caught a few boxes of them on the floor... thousands of patterns and some of them still marked with the original 1980 price or 1979 prices... $1.25, $1.95, WOW what a great time looking through them. I bought a 1980 Aurora pattern of a Hot Air Balloon with heart designs in it, a Lyre Bird pattern, and an older pattern book (brown with age) with an interesting rose and cross pattern, and other stuff. It was great... BTW I think I saw a few of those Microwave Kilns there. Whoever it was looking for one send me an email and I give you the details of the shop. The second shop was in Dayton, Ohio. A place called Village Stained Glass which another member (Carolyn Noel) recommended. Very nice owner named Janice and a great artisan. Bought lots of stuff there to. Of course throughout my travels I preached the virtues of joining the two glass groups. Only one less than friendly visit to report. A place in Yellow Springs, Ohio called GlassStudios. Nice lady artist, beautiful work... but the male working there (maybe her husband) was a real jerk. Stopped by the Dayton Art Institute and saw a larger Chihuly vase type thing. It was about 2 feet across and had fluted edges. Interestingly in the browns, and yellows, and all colors in-between were dark (almost black) spots. Also saw a piece by Ruhn (I think). A large triangular piece of crystal clear suspended by steel wires, in an twin oval cage, with what looked like three Rubeck's cubes inside. The squares were squares. His (I presume because the sign said He) cuts of the glass and all of the diachloric surfaces changed colors and sparkled like fine jewels. A few ladies were there looking at it and said "that's kind of pretty", until I showed them how to move in a circle every so slowly around the piece and admire the shimmering colors, reflected and refracted light. When I left they were still ohhhhing and ahhing and saying "stand here and look there"...... Well gang so much for the "What I did over the Summer" thesis. Tomorrow ... back to work. BTW I noticed a few new members and some old ones that haven't as yet sent me their bios for posting....hmmmm well I guess I will have to contact Dunn and Bradstreet to collect. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 19:20:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Pkelly" , Subject: Re: I'mmmmm Baaack! Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.173954.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome Back Patrick!!! Why is it some of the nicest artisans in glass have great studios/stores and husbands that are total jerks when it comes to dealing with customers. Hummm must be a glass thing. Glad to see you. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Pkelly To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 7:50 PM Subject: I'mmmmm Baaack! >Hey, remember me?. Just got back from three weeks in Ohio. Great to be home >I was getting glass withdrawal symptoms. I did find quite a few glass >places, two which struck me as great. > >The first one is in Beaver Creek, Ohio, called Busy Beaver Crafts. What a >place... wall to wall crafts in a small house with a basement full of glass. >Literally, you had to step over yarn, doll parts, candle making supplies, >bits and pieces of everything imaginable for crafts. At the back corner were >some of the glass supplies. As I started gazing at the array of supplies I >noticed a rack of pattern books and started thumbing through them. Then my >eye caught a few boxes of them on the floor... thousands of patterns and >some of them still marked with the original 1980 price or 1979 prices... >$1.25, $1.95, WOW what a great time looking through them. I bought a 1980 >Aurora pattern of a Hot Air Balloon with heart designs in it, a Lyre Bird >pattern, and an older pattern book (brown with age) with an interesting rose >and cross pattern, and other stuff. It was great... > >BTW I think I saw a few of those Microwave Kilns there. Whoever it was >looking for one send me an email and I give you the details of the shop. > >The second shop was in Dayton, Ohio. A place called Village Stained Glass >which another member (Carolyn Noel) recommended. Very nice owner named >Janice and a great artisan. Bought lots of stuff there to. > >Of course throughout my travels I preached the virtues of joining the two >glass groups. > >Only one less than friendly visit to report. A place in Yellow Springs, Ohio >called GlassStudios. Nice lady artist, beautiful work... but the male >working there (maybe her husband) was a real jerk. > >Stopped by the Dayton Art Institute and saw a larger Chihuly vase type >thing. It was about 2 feet across and had fluted edges. Interestingly in the >browns, and yellows, and all colors in-between were dark (almost black) >spots. Also saw a piece by Ruhn (I think). A large triangular piece of >crystal clear suspended by steel wires, in an twin oval cage, with what >looked like three Rubeck's cubes inside. The squares were squares. His (I >presume because the sign said He) cuts of the glass and all of the >diachloric surfaces changed colors and sparkled like fine jewels. A few >ladies were there looking at it and said "that's kind of pretty", until I >showed them how to move in a circle every so slowly around the piece and >admire the shimmering colors, reflected and refracted light. When I left >they were still ohhhhing and ahhing and saying "stand here and look >there"...... > >Well gang so much for the "What I did over the Summer" thesis. Tomorrow ... >back to work. > >BTW I noticed a few new members and some old ones that haven't as yet sent >me their bios for posting....hmmmm well I guess I will have to contact Dunn >and Bradstreet to collect. > > > > > > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 20:51:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: Kathy Mather To: vmodiano@ctronsoft.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: RE: Brazing Rods Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:10:06 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jun21.3106.0> Precedence: bulk Oh, please add me to that list too, I also have been wondering. Kathy >From: "Modiano, Victor" >To: "'bungi'" >Subject: RE: Brazing Rods >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:42:34 -0400 > >If you E-mail to her personally please CC me too. >I'm thinking it might be fun to try. > >Vic M. >Vmodiano@ctronsobt.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GlsWorks@aol.com [mailto:GlsWorks@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:45 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Brazing Rods > > I am looking for more specific information in regard to the >garden stakes out > of brazing rods. What size brazing rods did you use, what >was the process, > etc. I know this was a topic not long ago, but I didn't see >the specifics, > perhaps I just missed it. Please email me personally or to >the group. > > Thanks, > Angie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: >glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 20 21:54:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fair results Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:02:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun20.14253.0> Precedence: bulk I used my guest passes to the Delmar Fair today. The fair selects winning entries for San Diego County that will compete at the grand State Fair in Sacremento, CA in a couple of months. There were barns full of cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, and lesser creatures. There are all sorts of judging trials for the animals. I now know more about the mammery systems of goats than I had ever hoped. Bobby is the only person from my studio entering this year. He was not selected to even exhibit for several projects. The reason: poor slides submitted for pre judging. The slides had been taken with a black background and were poor. Bobby's fused bird house received a blue ribbon for most unique. His Winnie panel received a blue ribbon. His koi pond received an award of merit. The koi pond was a small exhibit when compared to just about every outher entry in the landscaping area. Many of the exhibits are valued in the tens of thousands of dollars and are from major companies. I passed by it three times and each time heard favorable comments from the people stopping by. Bobbie's koi pond stopped people where many of the exhibits were taken at a walking pace. The other stained glass I saw at the fair was rather unremarkable but I will try. Three sizable copper foil panels had frames that were a tour de force in woodworking. Seems she does glass and he wood. One used stock design sandblasted bevels and IMO should have been disqualified. There was a rather nice suncatcher of the broadside of a pig made from about nine pieces of glass. Pigs have so many unique design features to them (ears, nose, tail, etc.) that they make excellent subjects for stained glass. I saw about six garden stakes of butterflies on brazing rods. In the commercial section of the fair there were two booths that had cheap imported stained glass. Much of it was very poorly soldered on what would normaly be the back side. Also several stepping stones were shown. The glass was closely spaced and so irreglarities in cutting stood out. I like more spacing of glass in stepping stones and not copies of cartoons intended for lead or foil. There were some nice glass paperweights from China. Trouble was there were only four different designs and about fifty of each displayed. I felt no need to add to my paperweight collection. ............... Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 *Pray for me, you'll feel better.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 04:48:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Slave labour Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:37:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.133758.0> Precedence: bulk > You maintain that it's slave labour because the prices are so low. > NOT! I agree absolutely with everything Kathie pointed out. What seem slave wages to us in the U.S. are excellent wages elsewhere. I haven't commented on the thread because I've learned that "convince a man against his will and he'll be of the same opinion still." Albert I think that you are getting lost in a common mis conception about slave wages here. It is the importers and re-sellers on from there that are the problem not original cost of production.If the imported goods were sold at a fair price by the importers and distributors there would be no problem. It is these people that are the real problem they allow them to be sold cheap to get a trading advantage over competitors by dumping goods like this on the market. There is a choice, sell a few at the correct price and make a large profit on each or sell a lot at a low price but make a larger profit by shifting more goods and putting your commercial opposition out of business. You are continuously being ripped off for goods in our world because you pay what the you THINK the goods are worth ,it is part of the method our western world uses for trading which I think we call capitalism.I remember years ago a british computer manufacturer though only small potatoes and long gone bust moaned when the profits he made on the computers he sold dropped below 900 per cent. Yes that's right he made the goods for 12pounds UK and sold them for over 100. We in the Uk at present quite happily buy cars for example 17,000 and pay up quite happily when we know that over the channel we can buy the same for 12,500. Monetarily we Brits died when we changed currency some years ago and we are about to do it again,hope you people states side have more sense. Brandon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 06:22:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Slave labour Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:09:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199906211308.JAA21135@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I think that you are getting lost in a common mis conception about > slave wages here. It is the importers and re-sellers on from there > that are the problem not original cost of production.If the imported > goods were sold at a fair price by the importers and distributors > there would be no problem. I guess we'd have to define "fair price." I don't know about the UK folks, but Americans generally (the participants in this forum excepted, of course) want quality goods at rock-bottom prices. They put "Buy American" stickers on their automobile bumpers yet shop at Wal-Mart where much of what's on offer is made outside the U.S. It's true that the manufacturers, importers and resellers make more from each unit of merchandise than often the laborers do, even though the unit retail cost might be lower than American-made produced at American wages ... and *that's capitalism. Capital (money) is invested in plant, product and people to generate as much return as possible on the investment, not to achieve a moral end. Those who invested in Spectrum Glass Company, just as an example, did not do so because they believed in a need for general improvement in the living environment of people across the U.S. and around the world, but because they hoped and expected to earn more money from the investment of their original money. This is neither good nor bad. It's just business, as they say: money has no morals. Of course, it's "nice" if a company contributes part of its profits to moral ends; the purchasers of the product can thus "feel good" about feeding a family in the Amazon jungle as a result of buying a high-priced salad dressing made with "rainforest" spices gathered by natives at what we would call "slave wages," just as buyers of Tiffany lamps built by Chinese families might get a special "glow," knowing that their purchase not only makes their living spaces pleasant and well-lit, but the building of the lamp helped feed a Chinese family that might otherwise have had less, even though at the same time the American manufacturer of the glass itself profited from the sale of the glass and its employees (although mere Americans) were able to feed their families, too, and the investors, on top of all that good feeling and harmonious result, made a profit on their investment in the glass company! The alternatives to Capitalism haven't fared well, now have they? So what *is a "fair" price? It's the result of a pretty simple equation: cost of supplies + cost of labor + cost of delivery + profit = price. I guess it'd be the "profit" segment of the equation that would give some people a problem, but while a few suppliers might gouge buyers (your example, for instance) they can't keep it up for the long haul because the marketplace will eventually sort them out. > It is these people that are the real > problem they allow them to be sold cheap to get a trading advantage > over competitors by dumping goods like this on the market. There is > a choice, sell a few at the correct price and make a large profit on > each or sell a lot at a low price but make a larger profit by > shifting more goods and putting your commercial opposition out of > business. I guess we'd have to define "correct price." In the UK, is it what the lamp would cost if made of UK-manufactured glass and fittings? In the US, is it what it would cost if made by Americans with US-made glass and fittings? If Third World countries have to compete with US/UK wage and living levels, then they wouldn't be *competing, would they? And their products wouldn't sell, or at least not as easily. The world is a rapidly shrinking globe and personally I see nothing wrong or unfair in putting otherwise unemployed or underemployed people to work even if their lives and cultures are completely unlike ours, not to mention the fact that they probably don't understand the aesthetic behind much of what they create for sale in Western markets. To them, the fact that they can support their families is just as important as it is to some man or woman standing in front of a metal stamping machine in the US or the UK making widgets that are part of some larger design. They work and they get paid for their work at a level commensurate with the living conditions that prevail in their surroundings. Same for the Third World workers. "Fair" and "unfair" are beyond the scope of the equation and jingoism is outside the equation of capitalism. Or should be. > You are continuously being ripped off for goods in our > world because you pay what the you THINK the goods are worth ,it is > part of the method our western world uses for trading which I think > we call capitalism. Well, "ripped off" is a bit much, don't you think? It assumes that every shopper for any goods or services is not bright enough to actually shop around and find the best value for his or her money. In my experience, most people are more careful than that; they have to be. There are exceptions, of course; the Rainforest dressing mentioned above, for instance, is at least twice the price of supermarket brand dressing, but the latter doesn't give one a "glow" in addition to making the salad more tasty. If it's Capitalism per se that's troubling, then those who feel that way should perhaps be careful to charge no more for their lamps than the materials cost because ... well, you shouldn't "rip off" your customers by making a profit, nevermind that you'll be out of business in very short order and thus of no use to your customers when it comes to aftermarket service and support. Profit is good. Profit is necessary for survival, although I'm not saying that we should all be Gordon Gecko, either ... and perhaps that's what you're saying too: that there should be a *limit on the amount of profit one should make. I can't think of any glass artists or craftspeople who're suffering under an excess profit load, though. And exercises to "control" profit are both difficult and questionable. Okay, Bill Gates is worth $90 billion (on paper); is there a reason his company's software is used almost universally? is it possible his company is providing a Product that Fills a Need? if it's "needed," is the price too high? if the price is too high, why do people keep paying it? why do they keep paying it when there are cheaper, faster (as well as free) alternatives to Bill Gates' company's products? > We in the Uk at present quite happily buy > cars for example 17,000 and pay up quite happily when we know that > over the channel we can buy the same for 12,500. Well, I'm not sure I'd agree that that's very smart shopping. I wonder if the 36% difference there wouldn't be eaten up by the import duties and transportation costs if you, say, flew to Germany, picked up your Mercedes at the plant, and drove it through British customs. Maybe the price you cite includes all that, but the protectionist duties that countries charge are intended to protect each country's workers' wages ... and the profits of the capitalist investors in those workers' employers, too. All in all, to get back to stained glass, if an American company (or UK firm) is importing lamps that are lower in price than yours yet the quality is the same, you'll just have to find more efficient ways to produce your lamps so as to meet the competition's prices ... or take your lamps to a new (higher) level of excellence and quality so that those imported items are no longer competition with yours. And since those will be sold at K-mart and their ilk or in low-end gift shops, move your focus to high-end galleries and craft outlets. After all, being in business (and if you're making a living off your work, you're in business) is not a guarantee of success unless you're also flexible ... and creative. My 2c ... er, 4c (I guess) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 06:59:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fair results Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.5202.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bob Duchesneau" >There was a rather nice suncatcher of the broadside of a pig made from about nine pieces of glass. Pigs have so many unique design features to them (ears, nose, tail, etc.) that they make excellent subjects for stained glass.< Ugh. I think I'm going to be sick. ;-) Too many pigs in my life right now. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 07:30:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:21:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: advice on legal advice concerning stained glass Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:19:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.51955.0> Precedence: bulk Last year I had the need for some legal advice. There is an organization which helped me, and they might be able to help you. It's called Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts. It's exactly what it says - it's a bunch of lawyers who do not charge for helping answer legal questions. You have to be an artist to receive their help. Now, I think they might have offices/phone numbers throughout the USA, but the only phone number I have is the one for the Philadelphia area: 215-988-2659 Hope this helps. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 08:02:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!slsheldon From: "Sharon Sheldon" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: A Visit to Oceana Glass Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:41:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.64111.0> References: <<1999Jun18.13831.0>> Precedence: bulk I believe MY copy of the message read something to the effect of 3 CRATES of GLASS at 40 SHEETS PER CRATE PER DAY and also included the caviat that it WAS NOT A LOT OF GLASS... To Diane: Thanks for your report; other than a trip to Williamsburg & Jamestown in VA that featured colonial glass blowing, I have never seen any of this done. Very interesting. To Mike: If your message read the same as mine and you misread, I think you know what should be done in this case... :-> Back to lurking! Sharon > From: Mike Figgy > To: Diane W Manchester ; > Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > > > Half a dozen employees, factory started a 'few decades ago' (I > think that= > > 's > > about half a century(?), 40 sheets a day, $15/sheet. That's > about $600.00 > > income in a day. Come on, if you're going to report something try for a > > little bit of accuracy... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Diane W Manchester > > To: > > Sent: June 18, 1999 10:59 AM > > Subject: A Visit to Oceana Glass > > > > > > > Hello bungians, > > > > > > Some while back you read an inquiry about the Oceana glass factory in > > > Santa Cruz, CA. Two fellow bungians and myself went to visit > Oceana, a= > > nd > > > I, for one, came back an Oceana convert. What a great visit, and the > > > glass is absolutely stunning in person. First, it was fun to > meet Stev= > > e > > > Wernecke and Bob (sorry, don't know last name but he's from > Cupertino), > > > and Steve's son. These were NICE gentlemen, and when Toby's > here for a > > > visit, you're in for a treat when you meet Steve. I always enjoy his > > > humor and input on bungi, and he's even better in person! > > > > > > Anyway, we went to the "factory" in Santa Cruz. It is a > small, and ver= > > y > > > laid back factory, and practically everything is still done by hand. > > > Ron, the owner, started the factory a few decades ago, and he employs > > > only a hand full of glass workers, all of whom seem to enjoy > their work. > > > They mix the sand and chemicals in a big mixer that is turned by hand. > > > Then, the mixture is shoveled into wheelbarrows - one wheelbarrow per > > > furnace. There are 4 furnaces, and the sand cures in these furnaces > > > overnight. They average 2600 degrees in heat=85=85it's hot > in there! = > > The > > > next day, the glass mixture is ladled out onto a metal table and the > > > colorant is mixed in by hand. Then the guys roll the mound > of lava/gla= > > ss > > > out using a big roller which flattens the glass. The sheet is removed > > > and at this time it looks clear. The sheet is put into > another oven th= > > at > > > shoots flame down on top of the sheet at that brings out the > color. At > > > that point, the sheet is put on a cooling conveyor, which > moves the gla= > > ss > > > through the cooling process. It takes 1 hour for the sheet > of glass to > > > travel 50 feet, and that determines the consistency of the > glass - not = > > to > > > brittle and not too soft. At the end, the guys trim off any > rough edge= > > s > > > and prepare for crating. They make approx. 3 crates (40 sheets per > > > crate) a day. Not a lot of glass, but they like to keep the operation > > > small. The glass is exquisite, and truly a labor of love. (Bob, from > > > Cupertino, can explain the chemical process if anyone is interested.) > > > > > > At the end, you can buy the glass, and it averaged $15/sheet if you > > > bought it at the factory. An incredible bargain in my opinion. > > > > > > This was a fun experience. If anyone comes to the Santa Cruz > area, it'= > > s > > > a must see! I would guess a large glass factory is fun to > visit too, b= > > ut > > > this family operation was a treat! > > > > > > Diane Manchester > > > Tiffany Styled Originals > > > Carthage, NC > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 09:05:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-308165018-8077 Subject: Re: Slave labour Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun21.11719.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-308165018-8077 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Unfortunately...much of the things like stained glass lamps and even panels coming out of China and other countries in the far east are made with prison labor...free. Thus no families benefit from slave wages. Perhaps this might be a good idea for our prison system. Sue --WebTV-Mail-308165018-8077 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language together. --WebTV-Mail-308165018-8077 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.9.3/ms.graham.2jul97) with ESMTP id HAA13009; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Slave labour Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:09:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199906211308.JAA21135@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I think that you are getting lost in a common mis conception about > slave wages here. It is the importers and re-sellers on from there > that are the problem not original cost of production.If the imported > goods were sold at a fair price by the importers and distributors > there would be no problem. I guess we'd have to define "fair price." I don't know about the UK folks, but Americans generally (the participants in this forum excepted, of course) want quality goods at rock-bottom prices. They put "Buy American" stickers on their automobile bumpers yet shop at Wal-Mart where much of what's on offer is made outside the U.S. It's true that the manufacturers, importers and resellers make more from each unit of merchandise than often the laborers do, even though the unit retail cost might be lower than American-made produced at American wages ... and *that's capitalism. Capital (money) is invested in plant, product and people to generate as much return as possible on the investment, not to achieve a moral end. Those who invested in Spectrum Glass Company, just as an example, did not do so because they believed in a need for general improvement in the living environment of people across the U.S. and around the world, but because they hoped and expected to earn more money from the investment of their original money. This is neither good nor bad. It's just business, as they say: money has no morals. Of course, it's "nice" if a company contributes part of its profits to moral ends; the purchasers of the product can thus "feel good" about feeding a family in the Amazon jungle as a result of buying a high-priced salad dressing made with "rainforest" spices gathered by natives at what we would call "slave wages," just as buyers of Tiffany lamps built by Chinese families might get a special "glow," knowing that their purchase not only makes their living spaces pleasant and well-lit, but the building of the lamp helped feed a Chinese family that might otherwise have had less, even though at the same time the American manufacturer of the glass itself profited from the sale of the glass and its employees (although mere Americans) were able to feed their families, too, and the investors, on top of all that good feeling and harmonious result, made a profit on their investment in the glass company! The alternatives to Capitalism haven't fared well, now have they? So what *is a "fair" price? It's the result of a pretty simple equation: cost of supplies + cost of labor + cost of delivery + profit = price. I guess it'd be the "profit" segment of the equation that would give some people a problem, but while a few suppliers might gouge buyers (your example, for instance) they can't keep it up for the long haul because the marketplace will eventually sort them out. > It is these people that are the real > problem they allow them to be sold cheap to get a trading advantage > over competitors by dumping goods like this on the market. There is > a choice, sell a few at the correct price and make a large profit on > each or sell a lot at a low price but make a larger profit by > shifting more goods and putting your commercial opposition out of > business. I guess we'd have to define "correct price." In the UK, is it what the lamp would cost if made of UK-manufactured glass and fittings? In the US, is it what it would cost if made by Americans with US-made glass and fittings? If Third World countries have to compete with US/UK wage and living levels, then they wouldn't be *competing, would they? And their products wouldn't sell, or at least not as easily. The world is a rapidly shrinking globe and personally I see nothing wrong or unfair in putting otherwise unemployed or underemployed people to work even if their lives and cultures are completely unlike ours, not to mention the fact that they probably don't understand the aesthetic behind much of what they create for sale in Western markets. To them, the fact that they can support their families is just as important as it is to some man or woman standing in front of a metal stamping machine in the US or the UK making widgets that are part of some larger design. They work and they get paid for their work at a level commensurate with the living conditions that prevail in their surroundings. Same for the Third World workers. "Fair" and "unfair" are beyond the scope of the equation and jingoism is outside the equation of capitalism. Or should be. > You are continuously being ripped off for goods in our > world because you pay what the you THINK the goods are worth ,it is > part of the method our western world uses for trading which I think > we call capitalism. Well, "ripped off" is a bit much, don't you think? It assumes that every shopper for any goods or services is not bright enough to actually shop around and find the best value for his or her money. In my experience, most people are more careful than that; they have to be. There are exceptions, of course; the Rainforest dressing mentioned above, for instance, is at least twice the price of supermarket brand dressing, but the latter doesn't give one a "glow" in addition to making the salad more tasty. If it's Capitalism per se that's troubling, then those who feel that way should perhaps be careful to charge no more for their lamps than the materials cost because ... well, you shouldn't "rip off" your customers by making a profit, nevermind that you'll be out of business in very short order and thus of no use to your customers when it comes to aftermarket service and support. Profit is good. Profit is necessary for survival, although I'm not saying that we should all be Gordon Gecko, either ... and perhaps that's what you're saying too: that there should be a *limit on the amount of profit one should make. I can't think of any glass artists or craftspeople who're suffering under an excess profit load, though. And exercises to "control" profit are both difficult and questionable. Okay, Bill Gates is worth $90 billion (on paper); is there a reason his company's software is used almost universally? is it possible his company is providing a Product that Fills a Need? if it's "needed," is the price too high? if the price is too high, why do people keep paying it? why do they keep paying it when there are cheaper, faster (as well as free) alternatives to Bill Gates' company's products? > We in the Uk at present quite happily buy > cars for example 17,000 and pay up quite happily when we know that > over the channel we can buy the same for 12,500. Well, I'm not sure I'd agree that that's very smart shopping. I wonder if the 36% difference there wouldn't be eaten up by the import duties and transportation costs if you, say, flew to Germany, picked up your Mercedes at the plant, and drove it through British customs. Maybe the price you cite includes all that, but the protectionist duties that countries charge are intended to protect each country's workers' wages ... and the profits of the capitalist investors in those workers' employers, too. All in all, to get back to stained glass, if an American company (or UK firm) is importing lamps that are lower in price than yours yet the quality is the same, you'll just have to find more efficient ways to produce your lamps so as to meet the competition's prices ... or take your lamps to a new (higher) level of excellence and quality so that those imported items are no longer competition with yours. And since those will be sold at K-mart and their ilk or in low-end gift shops, move your focus to high-end galleries and craft outlets. After all, being in business (and if you're making a living off your work, you're in business) is not a guarantee of success unless you're also flexible ... and creative. My 2c ... er, 4c (I guess) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-308165018-8077-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 09:31:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How many glass manufacturers in the USA Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:53:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.15324.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I was wondering, Albert, if you know off the top of your head, how many glass manufacturers there are in the states. I know of 7. I am not sure about fremont(however it is spelled). Are there alot of little companies around, that only sell to a local area? Do stained glass places stick only to stained glass, or do some do window/auto glass too? I would suppose not. My guess would be that the USA has the most stained glass factories and that there are not that many more in the world. And I would guess that Germany has the second most. How am I doing? Thanks in advance, it is just something I have been curious about. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 11:05:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: Brazing rods Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:20:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.52046.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/18/99 4:14:28 PM, balloch@netbridge.net writes: >Brass is the safest, because it will not bleach out and hurt the plants. >It is also very easy to solder to. I bought copper rods. Does anyone know what they will do to my plants? I have them in my outdoor planters and they will get wet when I water. (After spending $250 on a bunch of dumb flowers, I'd rather not go killing them off with my decorations!) Shari (SLC, UT) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 11:37:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: How many glass manufacturers in the USA Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:09:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199906211808.OAA25991@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I was wondering, Albert, if you know off the top of your head, how > many glass manufacturers there are in the states. I know of 7 Depends on how you define "manufacturer." I count 28 if I consider them a "primary" manufacturer, that is melting glass and forming it into sheets and such. But there are secondary manufacturers, too, who only treat the surface of the glass with, for example, dichroic metallic treatments. Oh, sorry: 28 in all ... 20 in the U.S. but I'm sure I don't know all of them outside the U.S. > re there alot of > little companies around, that only sell to a local area? I think all of the companies consider the entire U.S. and the rest of the world their marketplace. None of them, as far as I know, limit their reach to any local area. > Do stained > glass places stick only to stained glass, or do some do window/auto > glass too? I would suppose not. If you mean manufacturers of raw sheet stained glass, I'd agree with you, too. Window/auto glass is a whole 'nuther animal and plants that specialize in stained glass wouldn't be set up for window/auto glass. > My guess would be that the USA has > the most stained glass factories and that there are not that many > more in the world. And I would guess that Germany has the second > most. How am I doing? Pretty good, Shirley. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 12:08:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Shari Higbee" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Brazing rods Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:43:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.104347.0> References: <<1999Jun21.52046.0>> Precedence: bulk I know the garden books say copper strips around a plant will keep slugs away, I use beer myself, might as well let them go out happy. IMHO, I don't think copper will be a problem to the plants. The mineral may even help some. KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ----- Original Message ----- From: Shari Higbee To: Bungi Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 1:20 PM Subject: re: Brazing rods | In a message dated 6/18/99 4:14:28 PM, balloch@netbridge.net writes: | | >Brass is the safest, because it will not bleach out and hurt the plants. | >It is also very easy to solder to. | | | I bought copper rods. Does anyone know what they will do to my plants? I | have them in my outdoor planters and they will get wet when I water. (After | spending $250 on a bunch of dumb flowers, I'd rather not go killing them off | with my decorations!) | | Shari | (SLC, UT) | | | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 12:44:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kaleidoscopes Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:23:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.52354.0> Precedence: bulk Just a quick update on my new kaleidoscope passion: I brought one to work the other day and ended up with 7 orders for them. (I work in a small office of 10 people...) Contrary to my beliefs, people wanted them for adult friends--several wanted them for Father's Day presents. At risk of redundancy I will say again Big Hit. Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 14:39:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ACC Craft Show Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:07:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.13737.0> Precedence: bulk Yesterday, John and I went to an American Crafts Council show in W. Springfield MA (funny to go to the fair grounds and not have it packed with people). This is the kind of show we go to for inspiration and get a few creative juices flowing. There generally isn't much stained glass at these things, but inspiration comes from many places. This year, we seemed drawn to a lot of the woodworking. There was stained glass in the form of Krauski Art Glass. (no Web page, as far as I can tell) They sand etch bevels and combine them with stained glass. Some of their big pices are most interesting. One technique they used effectively was to raise elements out of the plane of the background glass. It's not layered, just raised. One of the things that REALLY impressed me was the way they transported their glass. They make things in stock sizes (surrounding the blasted bevels), so they have wooden boxes built to hold a couple of rows of them. Padding rolls up and down, so they can stand the pieces between the padding. Open up the box, stand it on a table, hang the samples, Voila! exhibit! I left the program in the car (but had the Krauski card in my purse), so don't recall other names. There was a young woman who does glass mosaic...on anything! She said she likes to go tag saling (translation - yard sale, garage sale) to find things to cover. She had on display an old rotary phone and an old iron, both covered with glass quadrangles and glass blobs. She also covered several mailboxes. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 15:13:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Temporary - remove from list Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:33:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.16338.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list temporarily. Plan to visit Tucson - see if I still love it as much in June at 100 degrees plus as I did in March. I will restart when I get back. Thanks. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 15:41:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Another muse Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:06:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.860.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Thanks albert, I would have never guessed there are that many manufacturers. I am sitting here realizing how prejudice I am. I don't think silver should ever go with red and and I don't think gold should ever go with pastel colors. So is this my artistic(I use that term loosely) trait, or is this lack of compromise a self imposed limit? STifling my creativity as it were? How do the rest of you feel. Do you have definite color combos that you will not cross? Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 15:56:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: att.net!r.wickline From: "Rebecca Wickline" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:43 -0400 Message-ID: <19990621220200.BSAT17987@[12.79.199.157]> Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd send out a feeler to see what I can find. In July I will be driving from Richmond Va to Houston Tex. Just wanted to know if anyone could suggest glass sites or buddies to visit on the trip. I will be driving on Interstate 10 across the Gulf Coast area. I know there is a Houston Stained Glass but I'm wondering if anyone can give me some ideas of other places to visit. We'll probably go to San Antonio and Dallas. Thanks to all. Becky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 16:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Subject: Re: Another muse Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.144955.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley, I used to but now, blue with green looks great to me. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 6:45 PM Subject: Another muse >Thanks albert, I would have never guessed there are that many >manufacturers. >I am sitting here realizing how prejudice I am. I don't think silver >should ever go with red and and I don't think gold should ever go with >pastel colors. So is this my artistic(I use that term loosely) trait, >or is this lack of compromise a self imposed limit? STifling my >creativity as it were? >How do the rest of you feel. Do you have definite color combos that you >will not cross? >Shirley B >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 21 22:28:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Small Business Info (NG) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun21.211117.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BEBC4C.2171E000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ran across this website. 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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BEBC4C.2171E000-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 05:03:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: uranium glass Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:45:34 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun22.114534.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/21/99 10:53:26 AM, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: >Suggest you contact Sparks, she knows all about it. Well, I wouldn't say I know *all* about it...... I just happened to find a couple of web sites with good pictures and info about it. As for actually *making* the stuff (or any other kind of hot glass), I have no clue whatsoever. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 05:18:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:53:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Kaleidoscopes Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:52:49 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun22.115249.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/21/99 3:45:36 PM, shigbee@stmassociates.com writes: >Just a quick update on my new kaleidoscope passion: > [...] Contrary to my beliefs, people >wanted them for adult friends Christie used to carry some kaleidoscopes in her shop, and it always seemed to be the grown-ups - especially the grandmas and grandpas - who gravitated to them! 7 orders out of 10 people? Congratulations! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 06:06:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: re: Brazing rods Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:01:57 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun22.12157.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/21/99 2:06:57 PM, shigbee@stmassociates.com writes: >I bought copper rods. Does anyone know what they will do to my plants? I >have them in my outdoor planters and they will get wet when I water. (After >spending $250 on a bunch of dumb flowers, I'd rather not go killing them >off with my decorations!) I don't think it will hurt them, but you can always seal the rods with a couple of coats of clear lacquer (which will also preserve their coppery shine) if you're worried about it. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 06:24:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Another muse Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:39:58 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun22.123958.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/21/99 6:42:55 PM, balloch@netbridge.net writes: >Do you have definite color combos that you >will not cross? I dunno about anyone else, but I keep finding that "what goes together" is often largely a function of the style of the piece, where it's going to be displayed, the medium, etc. etc. I'm continually amazed by what really *does* go together depending on where and how it's used! (OTOH, there are a few notable exceptions to the "you can make almost anything go" rule........ f'rinstance, the next time my sweetie tries to go out the door wearing navy blue and black together, I think I'll shoot him! No, he's not color-blind, he just has some strange ideas........) For a terrific overview of the history of "what went together," see *Living Colors: The Definitive Guide to Color Palettes Through the Ages* by Margaret Walch (Chronicle Books, 1995). The book shows 80 examples of the uses of color "typical" of various time periods, parts of the world, or specific artists, with the corresponding palettes on "flip cards" ring-bound to the right-hand side of the cover so you can flip back and forth for easy comparison. I'm not sure I agree with all her palette choices based on the representative photos, but there's a lot here to look at and think about and maybe make you think twice about "whether that does or doesn't go." The book is kind of pricey - about $35, I think - but IMO it's worth it! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 07:07:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: something different Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.52451.0> Precedence: bulk Thought I'd share this with everyone. Went to FL to see my Dad for Fathers Day and took a side trip to Tarpon Springs. Was there 20 years ago and liked it. In a candle shop there was a guardian angle display. The artist was a former card co. employee had created angels for every occupation imaginable. They were simple, lead wrapped, and had a little card with the job discription. Got one for my sheriff son-in-law who is impossible to buy for. The store owner said if there was something you couldn't find, the artist would research the profession and create an angel for you. Never did find out his name but the selection on display was awesome. Also went to the Singing Tower at Lake Wales (for the 6th time) and copied this "Make you the world a bit better or more beautiful because you have lived in it. Hope everyone else had a nice weekend also, Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 08:39:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Reusche Paints Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:20:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.32018.0> Precedence: bulk I ordered the fusing/slumping temperature paints by Reusche from Bendiem, but they came without any information. Can someone direct me to their site? Not listed in the ads, or perhaps someone can tell me a good book to order to learn how to paint & fire glass. My dad painted me a darling bottle using acrylic paints and put some hobby sealer on it. It really is nice. However, it launched me into thinking about the plates I saw in that Coronado gift shop I visited. Someone painted a clear glass plate circle, then place another clear circle over it and fused and slumped. They were beautiful. So he is coming for two weeks in July, and I thought I could talk him into painting plates for me...and I would do the fusing/slumping. So now I have invested money in about 10 basic colors...if you bought them you know even wholesale they are not cheap, and I need info. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 10:08:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:51:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:34:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.23447.0> References: <<1999Jun22.32018.0>> Precedence: bulk Heres some info for you on the painting. http://www.hetleys.co.uk/products/colours.html "The Art of Painting on Glass" by Albinus Elskus (7BO17). http://www.hetleys.co.uk/products/books.html http://users.southland.net/bettyg/studios.asp http://www.porcelainpainters.com/studios2.html http://www.anu.edu.au/ITA/CSA/Glass/Glass.Canberra/jons.gradpaper.html Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo To: Bungi Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 08:20 AM Subject: Reusche Paints > I ordered the fusing/slumping temperature paints by Reusche from Bendiem, > but they came without any information. Can someone direct me to their site? > Not listed in the ads, or perhaps someone can tell me a good book to order > to learn how to paint & fire glass. > > My dad painted me a darling bottle using acrylic paints and put some hobby > sealer on it. It really is nice. However, it launched me into thinking > about the plates I saw in that Coronado gift shop I visited. Someone > painted a clear glass plate circle, then place another clear circle over it > and fused and slumped. They were beautiful. So he is coming for two weeks > in July, and I thought I could talk him into painting plates for me...and I > would do the fusing/slumping. > > So now I have invested money in about 10 basic colors...if you bought them > you know even wholesale they are not cheap, and I need info. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 11:46:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:05:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.4557.0> Precedence: bulk >>I ordered the fusing/slumping temperature paints by Reusche from Bendiem, but they came without any information. << While you are waiting for a book on the subject, mix a small amount of your paint powder with your favorate wine (some use white vinager), paint on the CLEAN glass with a good brush, let dry and fire to 1250'F. The use of about 1/32 gum arabic is great for adhearing the unfired paint but not necessary with care. You can spend a lot of money on badger brushes and the finest sable brushes if you like. You can also use a sponge and blot the paint on the glass. A nice pointed tracing brush is a big help for making trace lines. You can also scratch a design in the dry paint before firing. Expermint to your hearts content before the books start to try to confuse you. Fire the paint before sealing between layers of glass. These paints are toxic and good hygine is necessary. .............. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 12:11:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tech Writing Position Open Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.440.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Artists/MM LTD. Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, forgive this intrusion upon your daily routine :) The search is on for a technical writer at the Stained Glass Artists site. To read more about the specifications please head over to: http://www.stainedglassartists.com hit enter and click on Job Openings. This position is not a paid position but does come with some nice perks. Here is a list of Nice Perks. Free Annual Membership- A $25.00 value (Free Membership is good providing you write on a consistent basis) Membership Includes: Advertising on The Stained Glass Artists site, primarily our main page. E-mail that says yourname@stainedglassartists.com Access to the Private Member area of our site. Free Web Site Design, Development and Maintenance- A $800.00 value- your web site located at www.stainedglassartists.com. (If you decide to discontinue writing your site will be located at another address such as xoom.com etc.) Listing in our Employee Section. A nice way to become Electronically Published. Again, for more details click on the above url and hit Job Openings. If you are interested in the position you can e-mail me privately: Hope all is well with everyone! Now back to your regularly scheduled program :) Yours, Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.stainedglassartists.com/MM_Ltd.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 12:20:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Kiln for slumping/fusing Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:17:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.41740.0> Precedence: bulk Forwarded as a service. I do not know these people or the size of the kiln offered. Used kilns are often sold at 50% or less of the new purchase price. ...... Bob -----Original Message----- From: andet@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 5:34 AM Subject: Kiln for slumping/fusing >We are getting out of the slumping business and >are selling our kiln. If you live in the >Bethelehem, PA area, the kiln is a front loader, >with automatic controls - it comes with all the >supplies requred to do slumping(forms) and/or >fusing. Call (610) 759-9730 > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 14:46:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:43:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.124359.0> References: <<1999Jun22.32018.0>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Hi: If you have bought some of the coloured enamels that Reusche sells you will have to experiment with the firing temps. Tracing blacks, browns can be fired at 1250*. Some of the colours do not transfer well and you will be disappointed. There is a nice blue D27-778(1250*) and the ruby transparent 1298A(1000-1150*) is nice too. The best way to get nice yellows is with silver stain, (Amber Stain H-465)(950-1050*) but there is a nice enamel Amber DL349 or D23-1176(1200*) that is much cheaper than the stains. The very best book is "The Art Of Painting On Glass" By Elskus. Greens do not turn out well for me. It is imperative that you first make a set of samples using the glass that you plan on using to get the concentration of paint and firing temperatures right. These are just suggestions for temperatures your mileage and kiln may vary. Mixing the paint well is very important and paint is always better if mixed up and let set a while and then re-worked before using. The smoother and finer the paint the better the finished product. Regards, Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio http://bigcreek.cjb.net To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 15:48:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:47:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mailexcite.com!desngecurt12 From: desngecurt12@mailexcite.com To: desngecurt12@mailexcite.com Subject: Change your life !!! Date: 22/06/99 22:40:46 Pacific Daylight Time Message-ID: <199906222135.GAA14079@mrcweb1.> Precedence: bulk Hello, My name is Angel Curtis and a few days ago I decided that I had to write to you. Why? Well, I am a psychic-clairvoyant and would like to offer you a FREE psychic reading . 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If so, please accept my apology, and if you don't respond I will know I must remove you immediately from my address book. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 19:36:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Another muse Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:05:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.11534.0> Precedence: bulk I try to "never say never" in my art. But yes, It would have to be a very unusual project before I would think of using certain colour combinations. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 19:37:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hazy patina Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:02:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.12212.0> References: <<001a01bebbe5$77ad3ee0$3916ddcc@cricket>> Precedence: bulk Hi Monica, Hmm.. I use Glastar liquid flux also. I like it very much. I've used LACO but it "ate" the foil before my very eyes. When I use black patina or mixtures using black in the formula it always forms a haze when it dries. But the haze always clears up to a nice shine after the glass polishing process. I try to use only fresh batches of patina...if my bottles (should they ever last that long) go more than about 1 year I dump them and buy new. If the patina has been applied generously, and left for at least 20 minutes before washing, you should have no occurrance of the patina detaching itself from the solder. The dried excess comes off, but the chemicals that have bonded with the solder can't come away. The process of applying the patina from a bottled mix is actually a chemical plating process (as compared to an electroplating process..where electrodes are attached to the piece and it's dropped into a light bath of the metals that are desired to be deposited on the solder.) And just as with electroplating, it's necessary that the surfaces to be chemically plated are fresh and clean (no oils or other contaminants) and the chemicals being used are fresh. A hint on cleaning up flux: Frequently, when soldering a large window or a lampshade, it takes more than one day, (up to 3 days) for me to complete the soldering. Every couple of hours I clean up what I've done so the flux doesn't loosen foils or contaminate the fresh soldering job. Typically I flush the piece using the spray-can Glass Cleaner that's found at most SG suppliers. It's a mixture of isopropyl alcohol and distilled water (with some light non-oily fragrance). Or, use distilled (as in no city-water contaminants) water alone. Early on, when I used tap water, the salts (magnesium, zinc, iron, calcium) can attach themselves to the solder and later, when the patina liquid is applied, the patina is patchy and uneven. Oh - something else I learned from the solderers at the electronics company where I work...they use only distilled water (or deionized water) to moisten their solder sponges..and they rinse the sponges regularly. It's believed that the traces of metal salts that occur naturally in the city water (not to mention the residue of modern water treatment) can add to the early demise of the iron tip. Monica wrote: > Hi Cheryl, > > I'm using Glasstar Flux, liquid, brand new. > 60/40 solder also brand new. > Dove dishwashing liquid to wash off the flux. > The flux was left on the piece around 2 hours or so as I soldered and > actually I think some of it may have been left on overnight because I didn't > get it finished. Shouldn't I do that? > The patina was my girlfriends. She thought it was around four years old. > Novan, black. > Does this help? > Monica > -----Original Message----- > From: meryder@pacbell.net > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: hazy patina > > >Hi Monica... > > > >I've seen that happen, and from a variety of causes. So, lest I take a > leap > >of > >faith, and make a real live fool of myself in front of Everyone, can you > tell > >us a little bit more about your project... > > > >1) what kind of flux are you using? How old is it? > >2) what brand of solder, and the mixture (50/50, 60/40 etc) > >3) what are you using as a wash to remove the flux? > >4) how long was the flux left on the piece before it was washed off? > >4) what brand and color of patina (and how old is it?) > > > >Best regards, > >Cheryl Ryder > > > > > >Monica wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> Thanks for the feed back. Perhaps it's not the finishing thats giving me > a > >> problem. I applied the patina and almost immediately got a whitish > looking > >> haze over the piece. It has a very flat dull looking finish. Could this > be > >> caused by something else? > >> Monica > >> > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 19:57:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass working tips Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:13:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun22.121324.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone...in keeping with our "list of possible conversation threads" I'd like to share a couple of "tips and tricks" that I've learned from friends and the Instructors at the "I Love Stained Glass Shoppe" - which is where I hang out for regular workshop days...and most weekends. 1) Keeping your wrists, elbows, arms, (and clothing) out of the flux when you are soldering: Get a pair of knee-high tube sox. Cut the toes off about 2" up from the tip. Insert your hands into the socks from the toe end, until the elastic top is around your wrist. Arrange the sock comfortably to cover your forearms and elbows. 2) Flux brush keeper: A tubular travel toothbrush holder...it's about 8 inches long and about 1 inch in diameter. It comes apart in the middle into two sections....it's large enough to hold up to 4 flux brushes. It has ventilation holes at each end to allow air drying. Can usually be found at your local pharmacy. 3) Woodworker's forceps (or scientific forceps): straight tip and bent tip. These are usually around 6" long or longer, they're made of surgical steel and therefore don't heat up as fast as the solder and resist solder sticking. I use them when applying fine wires to pieces..14g and 16g wire suncacther flower stems etc etc. Hemostats are useful also tool because they can "lock" down on the wire. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 22 20:25:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: advice on legal advice concerning stained glass Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:41:35 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun23.24135.0> Precedence: bulk Good Day. Like Sparks, I hate lawyers, (even though my daughter in in Law School) However, when someone sets out to screw you, as it is apparent the customer here had done from the outset, you need to find the meanest, nastiest, ball - breaking son of a b---- lawyer you can find, and just put it to these people. Ask around for a "good" collections lawyer(the county or state bar might have lists of specialists). Since you figure the $'s are gone anyway, offer the nice collection lawyer man the following deal" If he collects the entire sum in 10 days, you'll give him 60% of the margin over your cost of materials, 50% in 20 days, 40% in 30 days, 30% in 60 days , and finally, 20% in 90 days, or whenever.These guys are usually very good with constant phone calls, repeated letters, and mose particularly, sharing the names of deadbeats with credit reporting agencies(you see, once one of these boys has it, your customer's account with you becomes a "collection account", and is reported thusly to the credit reporting people) a/k/a "If you can't get the bucks, go for the b-lls". That bulls---t those people gave you about different kinds of payments, based upon your type of business entity is enough to make one want to choke them. Better yet, if you live in the right kind of neighborhood, get hold of a local gorilla, you know the type, big, mean and ugly, and tell him that its worth 500 bucks and a nice window for his mother, if he gets your money for you. In other parts of the country, biker gangs are good for this purpose as well. In no case would I ever let these pr---s get away with screwing you. And to think, I was once an angry person. Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 07:03:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Reusche Paints Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:22:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.12242.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone, I dug out my old copies of common glass. I knew I had seen the articles...sorry Dani I didn't read them when they were published, because I don't paint. "...one understands only what one loves." Marc Chagall. Well I have them before me now. I did find a friend who owned a copy of Elskus's book, (she never painted anything either, but bought the book). She also has some old...very old gum arabic...does age make a difference? I went to our pitiful art store and they don't carry it. But I am not discouraged, because I do have some wine, and I am wanting to play, as Bob suggested, now! Stupid me, when I made this impulse decision, I thought buy some paint, and let Dad paint...I should have had an inkling that nothing in glass is simple. But when I get home this afternoon, I shall cut some test glass, and paint sample squares...and play with the kiln. (and drink a little wine!) My father is not due to arrive until July 6 so I have time to acquire some sort of understanding of this medium before he arrives. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 12:36:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead exposture linked to tooth decay Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:31:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.43125.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Search InteliHealth: Home Drug Search Condition Center Healthy Living Women's Health Men's Health News by Topic InteliHealth HealthyHome Store FREE Health E-mail FREE Newsletter What's Hot? Ask the Doc Medical Dictionary Advanced Search Order the Johns Hopkins Family Health Book Study Links Lead To Tooth Decay June 23, 1999 NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Environmental exposure to lead may increase the risk of developing cavities, results of a new study suggest. The study of nearly 25,000 people found that those with high levels of lead in their blood were more likely to have cavities than their counterparts with lower blood levels of lead. The findings, published in Wednesday's issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association, indicate that approximately 2.7 million excess cases of dental caries (cavities) in older children and adolescents may be related to environmental lead exposure. Tooth decay and dental caries are an important public health problem. By age 17, 84% of US adolescents have experienced tooth decay in their permanent teeth, involving an average of eight tooth surfaces. The annual treatment costs for dental caries in the United States are estimated to be at least $4.5 billion. The new study does not definitively show that lead exposure causes cavities or how it may do so but if it is proved that environmental lead exposure causes dental caries, "it would have important implications concerning the need to broaden the focus of health interventions for dental caries beyond modifying dietary habits, improving personal oral hygiene behaviors, and increasing fluoride exposure in high-risk groups," conclude Dr. Mark E. Moss of the University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry in Rochester, New York, and colleagues. The researchers point out that disadvantaged children and adults are known to have higher rates of cavities than their wealthier counterparts. "The results of the present analyses suggest that environmental lead exposure may explain, at least in part, the disproportionately high rate of dental caries among disadvantaged children and adolescents," according to the report. To arrive at their findings, Moss and colleagues compared findings from dental examinations with blood lead levels among 24,901 people aged 2 and older. Elevated blood lead levels were associated with risk of cavities in baby and permanent teeth in all age groups, the study found. Among children aged 5 to 17, a 5 microgram per deciliter of blood increase in blood lead level was associated with an 80% higher risk of tooth decay. Researchers estimate that 13.5% of tooth decay among 5 to 17 year olds is attributable to high levels of lead exposure and 9.6% of the tooth decay is attributable to moderate levels of lead exposure. While previous studies have linked lead exposure to cavities in animals, this is the first study to identify such a link in humans. In an editorial accompanying the study, Dr. Thomas D. Matte of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, writes that "by focusing prevention efforts on vulnerable populations exposed to immediate lead hazards, progress toward the virtual eradication of childhood lead toxicity can be greatly accelerated." SOURCE: The Journal of the American Medical Association 1999;281:2294-2298. Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 13:39:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:41:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:36:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.53622.0> Precedence: bulk >>I did find a friend who owned a copy of Elskus's book, (she never painted anything either, but bought the book). She also has some old...very old gum arabic...does age make a difference? I went to our pitiful art store and they don't carry it. But I am not discouraged, because I do have some wine, and I am wanting to play, as Bob suggested, now!<< Gum arabic comes in a powder form and if kept dry should last a very long time. I think it comes from the bark of a tree that grows in Africa. You MIGHT find that Knots Gelatine (used to thicken things like home made Jello) works too. To the best of my knowledge there are three components that make up glass paint to be fired: a. the pigment composed of metal oxides that fire into the glass, b. the carrier that is the liquid component that allows the pigment to be spread, and c. the binder (like gum arabic) that sticks the dry pigment to the glass. Wine being slightly stickey can serve for b and c. The small amount of wine residue should burn off without trace. I recommend that you expermint with different types of wine every day for a month. Promptly dispose of any wine left over from painting. Corked wine should never be returned to the refrigiator. Screw cap wine has the advantage of being easier and quicker to open. As with corked wine it should be promptly disposed of after or even while painting. ............... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 14:09:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Bob&Kathie Coull" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Fw: Kiln for slumping/fusing Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:01:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.6111.0> Precedence: bulk More info on the kiln for sale in PA. It is a Paragon GL22 AB with the Paragon DTC 800 controller factory installed. Check http://www.paragonweb.com (I think) for a complete discription. Asking $800.00 which seems like a good deal for a good kiln. Get further information from the seller Andy at ande@glassdesigns.com . The kiln comes complete with kiln shelf and several supplies. Shipping by truck is thought to be a considerable extra expense. ................. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 15:10:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:55:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:55:26 +0000 Message-ID: <199906232054.QAA12699@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Screw cap wine has the advantage of being easier and quicker to > open. As with corked wine it should be promptly disposed of after or > even while painting. ............... Bob By "disposed of" you mean imbibed, right? (Interesting perhaps to word lovers among us: the "bib" in "imbibed" is related to the "bib" in "wine bibber," methinks. You can put me down as one. And I always dispose of my wine immediately, then repeat Oliver Twist's phrase. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 15:34:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Bob Duchesneau' , Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Reusche Paints Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:40:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.124023.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEBDB8.9DF2F9B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob I think you just convinced half of Bungi to start experimenting with glass painting. There are rumors that if you use enough wine you can skip the paint. Think the new friendly IRS will believe this is a business expense?? Elizabeth is this going to be a second part to the E-tour workshops??? Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau [mailto:bobdu@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 3:36 PM To: Bungi Subject: Re: Reusche Paints I recommend that you expermint with different types of wine every day for a month. Promptly dispose of any wine left over from painting. Corked wine should never be returned to the refrigiator. Screw cap wine has the advantage of being easier and quicker to open. As with corked wine it should be promptly disposed of after or even while painting. ............... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEBDB8.9DF2F9B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Reusche Paints

Bob

I think you just convinced half of = Bungi to start experimenting with glass = painting.
There are rumors that if you use = enough wine you can skip the paint.
Think the new friendly IRS will = believe this is a business expense??

Elizabeth is this going to be a second = part to the E-tour workshops???

Vic M.

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Bob Duchesneau = [mailto:bobdu@prodigy.net]
      Sent:   Wednesday, June 23, 1999 3:36 PM
      To:     Bungi
      Subject:       = Re: Reusche Paints


      I recommend that you expermint with = different types of wine every day for a
      month. Promptly dispose of any wine = left over from painting. Corked wine
      should never be returned to the = refrigiator. Screw cap wine has the
      advantage of being easier and quicker = to open. As with corked wine it should
      be promptly disposed of after or even = while painting. ............... Bob


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------_=_NextPart_001_01BEBDB8.9DF2F9B2-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 16:41:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:32:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: evcom.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tiffany Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:33:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.113327.0> Precedence: bulk The Morse Museum in Orlando has a new web page; http://www.morsemuseum.org Take a look; your time won't be wasted Herb in Orlando ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 17:13:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:11:39 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun23.231139.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/23/99 4:40:59 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: >I recommend that you expermint with different types of wine every day for >a month. Promptly dispose of any wine left over from painting. Corked wine >should never be returned to the refrigiator. Screw cap wine has the >advantage of being easier and quicker to open. As with corked wine it should >be promptly disposed of after or even while painting. This is starting to sound a whole lot of the popular recipe for fruit cake. Sparks (excuse me!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 17:44:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Modiano, Victor" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.91648.0> Precedence: bulk >>There are rumors that if you use enough wine you can skip the paint. Think the new friendly IRS will believe this is a business expense?? << I understand that all supplies used in the course of manafacturing a stained glass item for resale are deducted from the resale amount before realised profit is taxed. You do bring up some thoughts on the proper use of wine in glass painting. I, for one, think that expensive French wines are best used with imported antique glass. On the other end of the scale one could used a screw cap California wine for Spectrum and Bullseye might rate a corked upper New York State wine. I am sure that few will agree with my exact ranking but the general idea holds. Just make sure the wine is freshly opened at every painting session. ........... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 19:16:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Wed, 23 Jun 99 06:42:56 Message-ID: <199906240049.SAA13282@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk I know people who use flat 7up... personally, I like clove oil also. It can then be applied with a pen nib. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 20:50:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Tiffany Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: <199906240227.WAA01323@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 6/23/99 9:33 PM Herb Adler herba@evcom.net >The Morse Museum in Orlando has a new web page; >http://www.morsemuseum.org >Take a look; your time won't be wasted > Thanks Herb, certainly time well-spent. Lovely images. suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 23:21:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Dichronic Glass??? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:02:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.15215.0> References: <<009501bebe02$1bebc1c0$382c4acf@oemcomputer>> Precedence: bulk Thank you for the good words on the website. Has anyone used dichronic glass in their glass projects??? I have heard and read about it being used in Bead work, only have not hear about it being used in Cold Glass work's. Today, a friend that works at a company that makes color filters for theaters gave me some more dichronic, this batch is yellow/red-yellow looking through at light, blue/blue purple in reflected light, the sheets (about 20) are 8"x8" and a few 8"x20", all of them are what looks like 1/8". They are what he calls the dummy panels that they use to setup the machine that puts the coating on the glass panels for the main production run's. I am getting a pretty large pile of sheets and wondering just what kind of project this kind of glass would be good in. Just for grin's (or is that frown's), what does a glass torch setup cost??? For making beads and such. What kind of gas does it run on??? Questions/Answers like that,,, Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 23 23:53:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Glass Galleries updated Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:04:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun23.15450.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/gallery.htm Dale and Margo have sent Shirley, some new pictures of projects that they have done. The website has been updated to include them. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 05:29:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usa.net!glassarts From: Jennifer Frisbee To: Bud Britt , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Dichronic Glass???] Date: 24 Jun 99 08:13:06 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun24.12136.0> Precedence: bulk Dichroic glass makes great kaleidoscope wheels...that's my primary use fo= r it. I also have a number of dichroic beads, pendants, etc...and it is fabulo= us in jewelry. If you have any extra to share, let me know!!! Jen Frisbee Catalina Glass Arts ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 06:30:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:15:14 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun24.131514.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/23/99 8:45:52 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: >Bullseye might rate a corked upper New York >State wine. I am sure that few will agree with my exact ranking but the >general idea holds. Personally, I'd go with a mid-priced California varietal. Most of the New York State stuff tastes way too much like fermented Welchade for my taste. (I think there must be a state law that mandates a minimum catawba content ....... besides, the Welchade-flavored stuff is *only* for Passover.) However, I'm sure that at least one person I know who uses a lot of Bullseye would prefer a good Aussie vintage, or if that isn't available, some Kendall-Jackson Chardonnay.......... and another of our fellows will cast a vote for her own homemade blackberry brew............. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 06:59:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:30:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Reusche RED paint Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:33:11 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.163311.0> Precedence: bulk now that we are asking questions about reusche paints i tried for the first time using red and it turned kind of brown color after consulting the company they said i should of vented my kiln till it hit approximately 800 degrees to burn off the chemicals first and it would turn out more red . can anyone tell me about using red and what i should do in a little more clear way for a beginner on kiln and reusche paint user. thanks so much for all the help and imput from the experienced users- ricky glass expressions ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 08:01:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Reusche Paints and Wine Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.61630.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks Your mother must be so proud!!!! A Jewish witchdoctor in the family.... You are also right about Passover. It only took me twelve years to convince my parents that it was ok to use a kosher for Passover Cabernet Sauvignon rather than Manashevitz Alcoholic Grape Juice/Sacramental Night Train Express. Vic M. PS Any chance of our fellow bungian sharing some of that homemade blackberry brew??? -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 9:15 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Reusche Paints ....... besides, the Welchade-flavored stuff is *only* for Passover.) and another of our fellows will cast a vote for her own homemade blackberry brew............. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 08:31:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Reusche Paints Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.7959.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Witchdoc3@aol.com >However, I'm sure that at least one person I know who uses a lot of Bullseye = would prefer a good Aussie vintage, or if that isn't available, some = Kendall-Jackson Chardonnay.......... and another of our fellows will cast= a vote for her own homemade blackberry brew......< And if using Youghiogheny, then a nice New Zealand sauvigon blanc fills the bill. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 09:00:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Bud Britt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dichronic Glass??? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.73754.0> References: <<1999Jun23.15215.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Bud Britt wrote: > > Thank you for the good words on the website. > > Has anyone used dichronic glass in their glass projects??? > > I have heard and read about it being used in Bead work, only have not hear > about it being used in Cold Glass work's. Today, a friend that works at a > company that makes color filters for theaters gave me some more dichronic, > this batch is yellow/red-yellow looking through at light, blue/blue purple > in reflected light, the sheets (about 20) are 8"x8" and a few 8"x20", all of > them are what looks like 1/8". > > They are what he calls the dummy panels that they use to setup the machine > that puts the coating on the glass panels for the main production run's. I > am getting a pretty large pile of sheets and wondering just what kind of > project this kind of glass would be good in. > > Just for grin's (or is that frown's), what does a glass torch setup cost??? > For making beads and such. What kind of gas does it run on??? > Questions/Answers like that,,, > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass so you know it's Dichroic glass. and it's very, very expensive, good friend. use it anywhere you wan't extra sparkle. i'd love to get my hands on this stuff. a 16" x 16" piece goes upwards of around $100-$200 and that even includes the clear one (looks clear - meant for infrared and ultraviolet seperation). too much of it can be distracting, use it here and there, and charge extra. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 09:11:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Reusche RED paint Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:25:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.72541.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Glass Expressions" >now that we are asking questions about reusche paints i tried for the first time using red and it turned kind of brown color after consulting the company they said i should of vented my kiln till it hit approximately 80= 0 degrees to burn off the chemicals first and it would turn out more red . can anyone tell me about using red and what i should do in a little more= clear way for a beginner on kiln and reusche paint user.< Venting the kiln during ramp-up (getting the temperature up from room temperature to something like 800 degrees) is recommended in order to burn off the chemicals which are binding the paint onto the glass. And it doesn't matter what the color is, venting during ramp-up is recommended. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 09:24:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Reusche paints-Dani Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:59:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.3592.0> Precedence: bulk I don't have your personal email address, but I really would love to come up to Colorado. If we plan this now, I can put in for some professional leave. I would need to combine my time off with a weekend. Teacher's have a very hard time when it comes to leave. I cannot commit until my leave is approved. I have all the responsibility but none of the control. But if you decide this will work for you and E, I would love to take advantage of your kind generosity. I have been suffering from E-tour envy because I did not think I would be able to participate. Anyway, don't feel obligated, but if it works for you, I am sure I can find a way to be there. I have only been to southern Colorado (Alamosa, Durango, Wolf Creek, etc.)...so this would be an adventure! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 10:01:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:22:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: Citadel.edu!Hilleker From: Hilleker@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dichroic glass Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun24.82021.0> Precedence: bulk I've always wanted to use dichroic glass in a small lampshade of a sunset so that the sky would change colors as the viewer sat down or stood up. I've never been able to afford enough large pieces of the stuff to be able to do that though. Russ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 10:17:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dichronic Glass??? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:35:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199906241635.MAA01297@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > > Just for grin's (or is that frown's), what does a glass torch > > setup cost??? For making beads and such. What kind of gas does it > > run on??? Questions/Answers like that,,, You can very easily check all of that out at http://www.cdvkiln.com ... a supplier of just about anything you can think of for working glass warm and hot. By the way, he gives an additional discount to members of the International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 17:34:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: RE: Reusche Paints and Wine Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:14:26 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun25.01426.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/24/99 11:04:12 AM, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes: >Your mother must be so proud!!!! A Jewish witchdoctor in the family.... Well..... actually, I'm a Baptist, my other half and his mom are Jewish. >Manashevitz Alcoholic Grape Juice/Sacramental Night Train Express. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA! I suppose that's what goes with Deka paints? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 17:51:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "2 Shirley's List" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Melting wine bottles Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:50:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.95012.0> Precedence: bulk I have flattened many a bottle and do not bother to anneal them. Rarely a problem. Bob ______________________________ 0 _________________________________ >>Posted by Mike Firth on April 30, 1999 at 19:35:18: In Reply to: ?Melting wine bottles posted by Dina on April 30, 1999 at 03:12:00: : Have recently seen in a gift store flattened wine bottles used as snack/nut/cheese & cracker servers. : Have access to a kiln - how do I do this? The neck of the bottle was used as the "handle" and the goodies : served on the flattened part. Some bottles were also slightly hollowed out so they were more like a shallow : bowl, easier to serve nuts in! These looked good in the blue or green wine bottles. Would appreciate help : with instructions please. Thank you in anticipation. Easy to do. To control the shape of the bottom, white pottery clay can be rolled into a thin (1/8-1/4") layer and shaped, dried, prefired to above fusing temperature and painted with kiln wash (I prefer the stuff sold by Paragon Kilns) Basically, having a shelf or shape painted with kiln wash, you take the kiln temperature up to about 1000F over an hour or so to keep the glass from cracking. Above 1000F, you take the temperature to about 1250F as quickly as possible and then watch the glass to see how it sags. When it reaches the shape you want, raise the lid to drop the temperature to about 900F. Hold there to ease stresses and then lower the temp slowly (about 50F an hour) to 600 to anneal. Having said all that, unless you are driven by a business need, the process is so easy I find it gets boring fairly quickly. Note that if you use bottles that have silk screened labels (Coke, some Dr. Pepper, some water brands, etc.) the paint will survive the heating and you can make the brand identification part of the product. << Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 *Pray for me, you'll feel better.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 18:02:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dichronic Glass??? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:14:23 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun25.01423.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/24/99 2:22:39 AM, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: >Today, a friend that works at a >company that makes color filters for theaters gave me some more dichronic, > [...] >I am getting a pretty large pile of sheets and wondering just what kind of >project this kind of glass would be good in. Hey Bud, what I wanna know is: Where do you get your friends?????? First a guy sells you hand-rolled glass for $1.50 a square foot, then somebody *gives* you a whole pile of dichroic glass (which retails for something like $20-30 for a post-card sized piece). I think I'm turning a bit enviously green around the edges......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 18:17:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hazy patina Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:14:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.101415.0> References: <<199906231350_MC2-7A7A-7126@compuserve.com>> Precedence: bulk I'll relay that info to my instructor to correct future info. Many thanks for the update. Regards, Cheryl Dani Greer wrote: > Message text written by INTERNET:meryder@pacbell.net > >If the patina has been applied generously, and left for at least 20 > minutes > before > washing, you should have no occurrance of the patina detaching itself from > the > solder. The dried excess comes off, but the chemicals that have bonded > with > the solder can't come away.< > > What actually happens is that the chemicals react with tin in > the solder creating bronze.... it's not actually a separate layer > that adheres... or doesn't adhere. > > Best, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 18:34:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Piggie Lamp photo available... Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:28:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.152828.0> Precedence: bulk ...but only if you ask me nicely to see it. Send me a private email to Ensembles@compuserve.com and I'll email you a .jpg file of the infamous 8 Little Piggies lampshade. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 21:02:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: glass@intrastar.net, Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dichroic Glass-Brian Kerkvliet on line article Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:33:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.193332.0> References: <<004401bebe8d$510c9d80$6889dfd1@imagine>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Here is the URL for anyone interested in the current Dichroic Glass discussion. Also has links for more hot glass stuff. http://www.inspirationfarm.com/gg/articles/article9.html Plus pasted for bungi members not on intrastar list: > > Hi all, > > Before anyone gets too excited, find out what this glass substraight > is. If Pyrex (Borosilicate), and I think it is, it will not work with > any other glass except Pyrex. Not Bullseye, Moretti, or Spectrum, or > neon tubing. You can make beads , etc with it using only the dichroic > glass, but the coating burns off pretty easy (unless it is by Sandberg) > in any flame that is hot enough to melt Pyrex....... Lee Bud Britt wrote: > > I do not have anyway to test it. How can you tell Pyrex from other glass? I > do know that the sheets do not grind very easy on my glastar grinder, it is > like it is trying to grind diamond against diamond, and the stuff cuts > pretty strange compared to regular stained glass that I work with. No noise > when scoring, and just the hint of a score line. Although most of the time, > it does break pretty clean. > > Now the box of scraps, there are thick and thin in there, all colors, some > cuts hard, some like butter. > > As for the coating coming off, I have used a #0000 steel wool pad with > pretty good pressure to get the magic marker marks off some of it, and there > is not scratches to be seen, it seems to be on there for good. The only time > I have seen it come off, is when I grind the edge, only that is glass > chipping not coating. > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 22:02:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: "glass@intrastar.net" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Marbles and Dichroic and avventureine/goldstone Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:43:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.204331.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Here is a site that sells Marbles (hot glass) from some of the worlds best marble makers, all on one site. You can fall into some of these hot glass marbles, and get totally lost. Many with avventurine/goldstone, and Dichroic swirls. It will totally explain why it is easy to fall under the 'hot glass' spell, and go ga-ga over hot worked dichroic glass. Of course it is quite all right to use it with cold worked glass in conventional copper foil or leaded glass applications, and then you don't have to worry with glass substraight compatibility. Enjoy, there are several hundred really fine hot glass pieces here. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations http://www.blocksite.com/blockglass/Shipwrecked.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jun 24 22:36:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:17:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Re: Dichronic Glass??? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:01:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun24.15142.0> References: <<1999Jun25.01423.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Sparks, Well, first off, the $1.50 was per pound, although that has gone down. For that one, I just went someplace the voices told me to go, I got in the car and drove, and followed directions. It wasn't to far, and it was a nice drive. In fact, at first I did not know why I was told to stop there, because all the sign said was handblown glassware, nothing about stained glass. Only from talking with the person there, did I find out that they had done stained glass in the past, and had made some glass sheets on their own, and still had bins of it. So asked about if it was for sale, and was told yes, well you know the rest of the story. On the Dichronic, got a lead from one of the members at church with a business card, called and asked, got directions, went and got a box, the other lead came to me at church and offered it, after they saw some panels/angels that I had done with iridescent. Just following the guidance and leads as they come, that's all I can say, maybe you got a little small voice/thought inside sometimes tells you to do something, that you would not normally do. My voices are pretty loud, mainly I believe because it is pretty empty in there after the brain aneurysm, with the loss of memories and a lot of skills, there is not a bunch of background noise to get through ;-), I mostly trust the voices, as long as what is being shared is non-abusive. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 05:14 PM Subject: Re: Dichronic Glass??? > > In a message dated 6/24/99 2:22:39 AM, computerministry@unitytustin.org > writes: > > >Today, a friend that works at a > >company that makes color filters for theaters gave me some more dichronic, > > [...] > >I am getting a pretty large pile of sheets and wondering just what kind of > >project this kind of glass would be good in. > > Hey Bud, what I wanna know is: Where do you get your friends?????? > > First a guy sells you hand-rolled glass for $1.50 a square foot, then > somebody *gives* you a whole pile of dichroic glass (which retails for > something like $20-30 for a post-card sized piece). > > I think I'm turning a bit enviously green around the edges......... > > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 08:49:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 8 Little Piggies lampshade photo Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.7320.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I had so many requests to see the infamous pig lamp, that I've asked Albert Lewis to update my web site with the photo. So, give Albert a day to get it loaded up, then go visit the pigs at http://www.igga.org/wood/ Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 09:52:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: discover.earthlink.net!leslye2 From: Leslye Nelson To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: photo finishing Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:59:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.7590.0> Precedence: bulk Where do you guys go to get photos of your work processed? I am going to be needing many slide copies of the same slide and am amazed at the price. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 12:27:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Christie A. Wood" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 8 Little Piggies lampshade photo Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:33:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.4338.0> Precedence: bulk >>Hi everyone. I had so many requests to see the infamous pig lamp, that I've asked Albert Lewis to update my web site with the photo. So, give Albert a day to get it loaded up, then go visit the pigs at http://www.igga.org/wood/ Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles<< I went and saw the piggies already. Some other nice things too. ........... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 13:08:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: photo finishing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:07:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199906251907.PAA22155@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Where do you guys go to get photos of your work processed? I am > going to be needing many slide copies of the same slide and am > amazed at the price. Any suggestions are appreciated. Have you looked through the search engines? "Slide Duplication" turns up 37 companies on http://www.askjeeves.com/ Having duplicates made is *always more expensive than shooting multiples the first time around. Planning ahead (don't take this personally, Lesley, it's must me on my soapbox), you can think about how many of each photo you might need and then shoot twice as many. Sure, you use up a lot of film and processing right then, but it's much cheaper in the long run to do it that way. In addition, taking care of the labeling, dating, etc. of your slides the moment they come back is always best. Months (or years) later I've had trouble remembering "what the heck is *that? and when did I shoot it?" but when I've done it immediately: no problem. There are processors who will automatically label the mounts if they're doing duplicates. Something to keep in mind. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 13:28:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: piggies Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.113520.0> Precedence: bulk Enjoyed seeing the "piggies" since I've heard so much about them. Really nice. Hope I'm that good someday thought I don't think pigs will be my choice of a creative maserpiece. Probably cats. Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 15:01:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Bob Duchesneau Subject: Function of gum arabic (Was reusche paints) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:58:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.225839.0> References: <<1999Jun23.53622.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1999Jun23.53622.0@?>, Bob Duchesneau writes >Gum arabic comes in a powder form and if kept dry should last a very long >time. I think it comes from the bark of a tree that grows in Africa. You >MIGHT find that Knots Gelatine (used to thicken things like home made Jello) >works too. > >To the best of my knowledge there are three components that make up glass >paint to be fired: >a. the pigment composed of metal oxides that fire into the glass, >b. the carrier that is the liquid component that allows the pigment to be >spread, and >c. the binder (like gum arabic) that sticks the dry pigment to the glass. > Gum arabic is used by painters to help the paint flow from the brush. It is possible to paint without any gum arabic. It is true that an excess of gum arabic will make working of the paint when it has dried much more difficult, so there is a binding property to it, but you will find that paint applied with no gum arabic flows less well from the brush to the glass, Again too much gum arabic, and the paint "fries" in the kiln - those flaked areas, where it looks as though the paint has exploded from the glass. >Wine being slightly stickey can serve for b and c. The small amount of wine >residue should burn off without trace. > >I recommend that you expermint with different types of wine every day for a >month. Promptly dispose of any wine left over from painting. Corked wine >should never be returned to the refrigiator. Screw cap wine has the >advantage of being easier and quicker to open. As with corked wine it should >be promptly disposed of after or even while painting. ............... Bob > Yup. I agree with all this. But if you paint your tracing lines with wine (that is yesterday's wine left to turn to vinegar), let them dry. Then you can do another set of tracing lines or shading with a water medium, while you open and consume almost all another bottle of wine, getting ready for the next day's painting. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 16:36:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Dichronic glass scrap information Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:24:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.82456.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Well, just got back from going to one of the Dichronic places. They gave me another LARGE box of scraps, and some information on the glass substrate used. They use both BoroFloat and Green Glass to put the coating on. I asked about it burning off, if used in torch work. And was told that people had tried to burn it off, and it stayed right on the glass. That folks had used it in kilns and torchwork, and could not burn it off. Here are some webpages that give more info on the borofloat. http://www.borofloat.com/ The borofloat link is at the bottom of the page. It is a schott glass product. The glass that they give me in BoroFloat is 1 mm and 3 mm. And some green glass, just found out today how to tell the difference. It is mixed in the boxes. Melts at about 1100F for the borofloat and about 800F for the green glass. Also got a flat of the uncoated borofloat for those who requested testing samples, so will include some of that with the test samples also when I receive the envelopes from each of the members who wanted to test. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 18:20:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria and George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Please reinstate Bungi Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:19:23 -0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.191923.0> Precedence: bulk Our ISP has straightened out the e-mail problems (we hope !) so please reinstate us. Best regards to you all. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 19:36:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:58:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik3 From: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Barrier Cream Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun25.175616.0> Precedence: bulk I'd like to purchase a barrier cream to use on my hands.... the type that offers protection from chemicals. There are times when I just can't work with latex gloves on. Does anyone know the name of a good product, and what type of store would carry it? Thanks. Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 21:19:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Barrier Cream Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.19548.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BEBF5F.432EEE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a cream called Art Guard, and you can find it at any artist = supply store, such as Michaels, Old America, Reddi-Arts, etc.=20 Mary ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BEBF5F.432EEE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BEBF5F.432EEE20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 21:31:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 8 Little Piggies lampshade photo Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:05:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.13526.0> References: <<1999Jun25.4338.0>> Precedence: bulk How absolutely gorgeous !! I don't think I caught all the Bungi postings on it. Did you kiln-slump the piggy pieces to the mold shape? They fit so beautifully. Congratulations on a job well done !! -Cheryl Ryder > >>Hi everyone. I had so many requests to see the infamous > pig lamp, that I've asked Albert Lewis to update my web > site with the photo. So, give Albert a day to get it loaded > up, then go visit the pigs at > http://www.igga.org/wood/ > > Christie Wood > Art Glass Ensembles<< > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 21:42:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: photo finishing Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:08:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.13836.0> References: <<199906251907.PAA22155@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Addendum to Albert's note: Many photo processing companies can scan your photos or slides onto Floppy Disks or CD's and then print as many photos or slides as you need at any time. Regards, Cheryl Albert Lewis wrote: > > Where do you guys go to get photos of your work processed? I am > > going to be needing many slide copies of the same slide and am > > amazed at the price. Any suggestions are appreciated. > > Have you looked through the search engines? "Slide Duplication" turns > up 37 companies on http://www.askjeeves.com/ > > Having duplicates made is *always more expensive than shooting > multiples the first time around. Planning ahead (don't take this > personally, Lesley, it's must me on my soapbox), you can think about > how many of each photo you might need and then shoot twice as many. > Sure, you use up a lot of film and processing right then, but it's > much cheaper in the long run to do it that way. > > In addition, taking care of the labeling, dating, etc. of your slides > the moment they come back is always best. Months (or years) later > I've had trouble remembering "what the heck is *that? and when did I > shoot it?" but when I've done it immediately: no problem. > > There are processors who will automatically label the mounts if > they're doing duplicates. Something to keep in mind. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 21:42:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barrier Cream Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.132016.0> References: <<1999Jun25.175616.0>> Precedence: bulk Dear Joan, There are several barrier creams on the market. One is "Silicon Glove", made by Avon(?) I think. I think there are others too. I recall something that my Mom used to use. She was a biology teacher and had to fish things out of formaldehyde storage jars now and then.. (no piggy jokes here...) and the formaldehyde was murder on her skin. She found two brands of barrier creams..through the local pharmacist, or through a scientific supply house (i.e. Edmund Scientific - they have a website). You put the stuff on, and then had to wait for a certain period of time (1/2 hour or something like that) for the cream to reach it's maximum protection and then you were safe to put your hands in the chemicals. But, unless you're allergic to latex or vinyl, why not just use the rubber or plastic gloves you can buy in bulk at the local home center? Best regards, Cheryl Ryder J B wrote: > I'd like to purchase a barrier cream to use on my hands.... the type > that offers protection from chemicals. There are times when I just can't > work with latex gloves on. > > Does anyone know the name of a good product, and what type of store > would carry it? > > Thanks. > > Joan > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jun 25 21:53:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:49:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!crzylynna From: "Lynn Alchin" To: "Fellow Artists/Craftsmen" Subject: N.G. looking for a company Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:47:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun25.134731.0> Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I just bought (yeah, I know... BOUGHT????) THE coolest fused glass wind chime. In Pennsylvania. It was the LAST one the store had, and I am looking to buy some more. The name on the tag is: One by One Glass Art- Friendship Chime. Has anyone else heard of them, or know where to reach them??? Thanks! Lynn A. In A Glass of It's Own... Chandler, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 06:46:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:00:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Function of gum arabic (Was reusche paints) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:59:53 +0000 Message-ID: <199906261259.IAA06787@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Again too much gum arabic, and the paint "fries" in the kiln - > those flaked areas, where it looks as though the paint has exploded > from the glass. I mentioned this discussion to someone from a major US studio yesterday. She said they use antifreeze as the carrying medium for the paint. Don't drink it, though. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 11:28:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_df2ddd7e.24a646d8_boundary" Subject: My piggie project (a real oinker) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:08:08 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun26.1588.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_df2ddd7e.24a646d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! I thought I'd share my very own piggie project ... Believe me, this was a real oinker... my very first panel. I attempted this after doing stained glass for only THREE MONTHS - I think I was on a stained glass high! It's a study of a drawing from Ed Sibbett Jr's "Stained Glass Coloring Book" from Dover Books. I adapted the drawing into a pattern. Some of the pieces (like the scarves around her arm) were almost too small to handle (get out the tweezers!). It was too difficult for a beginner, but I completed it anyway, hemming and hawing and cursing my frusturations - I couldn't wait to get it finished. What I learned from this project: patience! I used simple drawn antique glass to complement the intircate design. 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+0000 Message-ID: <199906261652.MAA10496@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Pray tell...what is the definition of a "major" studio? Hi, Susan. Well, the one I was referring to has 14-15 craftspeople on the bench, has been in existence for almost a century, and works on statehouse domes, restoration of museum stained glass collections and installs new work in American cathedrals. Seems kinda major to me. You? Their use of antifreeze as a painting medium, though, is fairly recent (last 3-5 years) and an import from English useage. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 14:09:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass Laws Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:31:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun26.123130.0> Precedence: bulk Almost had an application of one of the most famous of the Glass Laws...you know, however much glass you have, it won't be enough... My husband was finishing up a commission and was cleaning it, when he called to me..."That can't be a crack, can it? Because it's all the glass we have. I don't think there's a scrap large enough." Well, it was a crack, and fortunately we did have ONE scrap large enough (just barely)...so I was able to drop out the cracked piece and replace it. It was window corners and we delivered them today and collected the rest of the money. Whew...because I would have had to mail order that glass and our customers were anxious. (They just bought an expensive home and are redecorating, so there may be more work down the road from them.) Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 14:38:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 8 Little Piggies lampshade photo Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:00:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun26.1309.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:meryder@pacbell.net >Did you kiln-slump the piggy pieces to the mold shape? They fit so beautifully.< Nope. Just straigh-ole solder over the mold. All flat pieces. Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 15:07:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: photo finishing Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 03:16:19 Message-ID: <199906262122.PAA03164@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Seattle filmworks (the only place who's ever gotten the color of the green GNA right) now puts the pics online for you to view, and will put everything on cd's, windows only.. for a very small fee.. and the onlines are free. Candy (www.sfw.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 16:43:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sedona.net!genbug From: "Diana Smithson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: stained glass scraps Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:42:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun26.8427.0> Precedence: bulk I'm looking for stained glass scraps for our ranchers to use in making stepping stones. http://www.rainbowacres.com Allen Smithson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 17:25:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cchat.com!ahaynie From: "Ann Haynie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Suggestions Please Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:31:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun26.153156.0> Precedence: bulk We will be building onto an existing shed at the end of our carport to make it approximately 18'd x 19'w. I am get half of it for a stained glass workshop. (Whole lot better than my laundry room) I am asking for any suggestions on what I should have, lighting, flooring, etc. Any suggestions would be greatly as I am very new at this (for me) hobby. I want it to turn out right. Thanks. Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 18:02:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:45:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usa.net!ebusiness2k From: ebusiness2k@usa.net To: glass@daver.bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Voted #1 e-business Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:40:05 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.3405.0> Precedence: bulk Hi there, Just saw your online ad in classifieds2000. Hope things are going well for you. I thought I would drop you a quick note and let you know that there is an exciting and very profitable SELF-RUN online business which is exploding in 1999! It is truly the HOTTEST and the EASIEST home business today! Voted as #1 online business in a major business magazine! You can make up to $14,000 per month in your spare time! For all free information, please check out my website below: http://216.169.117.51/e-business/ It takes only 30 seconds to check out. You will be glad that you did! Thank you and have a great day! Rudy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 18:17:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: HiimLaura@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: posting photos online was: My piggie project (a real oinker) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:49:13 -0700 Message-ID: <199906262349.QAA06912@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk > >--part1_df2ddd7e.24a646d8_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Hi everyone! I thought I'd share my very own piggie project ... > >Believe me, this was a real oinker... my very first panel. I attempted this >after doing stained glass for only THREE MONTHS - I think I was on a stained >glass high! It's a study of a drawing from Ed Sibbett Jr's "Stained Glass >Coloring Book" from Dover Books. I adapted the drawing into a pattern. Some >of the pieces (like the scarves around her arm) were almost too small to >handle (get out the tweezers!). It was too difficult for a beginner, but I >completed it anyway, hemming and hawing and cursing my frusturations - I >couldn't wait to get it finished. What I learned from this project: patience! > >I used simple drawn antique glass to complement the intircate design. >[size - about 14" wide and about 19" to 20" high] > >Laura >HiimLaura@aol.com Hi Laura Sounds like your first problem was trying to do an Ed Sibbett design, however I won't go into that here. Second, could you please NOT send large files on line, but rather post them to a web page (bungi has a gallery, thanks to Daniel), or offer to email them direct to those who would like to see the photo. Why, you ask? People like me with old computers spend 10 minutes downloading a file to find it full of junk...rows and rows and rows of letters and numbers. People who have to buy their online time by the minute, and people who have to also pay for their phone connections by the minute (remember this is an international group) also prefer to have photos sent off-line. I know you're fairly new to the group so you may not have run into this convention, so I just thought I'd drop you a line to let you know. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 19:25:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Suggestions Please Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:11:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun26.171122.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEC018.71769EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Ann... I have had two studios... one for pottery, and one for furniture = painting. Regardless the hobby, I feel there are some common elements = which will make your studio comfortable. 1. Laundry sink, if possible 2. Peg board with assorted hooks for hanging as many supplies adjacent = to the workbench as possible. 3. Soft flooring, meaning some sort of linoleum, as cushioned as = possible. 4. As large a workbench as possible. 5. Light box.. which can be as simple as constructing a box without top = , placing a neon light like you would use under a cabinet to light a = countertop on the bottom, and a Morton system grid or simple cloudy = plexiglass on top. 6. Drawers, which could be old cabinets, which you could place under the = workbench to conserve space. 7. Wall shelves to hold larger implements, such as saws, boxes with = glass scraps, books, patterns, etc. 8. If possible, a telephone, radio or TV for those times when you want = "noise". 9. Hooks on edge of workbench to hang towels, which, by the way, should = be right next to the grinder. Also a large bucket full of water to rinse = ground pieces, and to add to grinder when the well goes dry. 10. 2 or 3 tiered tool carousel, for obvious reasons. 11. Rack or pole suspended on L-shaped brackets which would hold a roll = of pattern paper or white butcher paper.=20 I could go on and on, but to me, these are definitely elemental in = making your space more economical and handy.=20 Feel free to email me for more suggestions! Mary embee@mediaone.net ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEC018.71769EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Ann...
I have had two studios... one for pottery, and one = for=20 furniture painting. Regardless the hobby, I feel there are some common = elements=20 which will make your studio comfortable.
1. Laundry sink, if possible
2. Peg board with assorted hooks for hanging as many = supplies=20 adjacent to the workbench as possible.
3. Soft flooring, meaning some sort of linoleum, as = cushioned=20 as possible.
4. As large a workbench as possible.
5. Light box.. which can be as simple as = constructing a box=20 without top , placing a neon light like you would use under a cabinet to = light a=20 countertop on the bottom, and a Morton system grid or simple cloudy = plexiglass=20 on top.
6. Drawers, which could be old cabinets, which you = could place=20 under the workbench to conserve space.
7. Wall shelves to hold larger implements, such as = saws, boxes=20 with glass scraps, books, patterns, etc.
8. If possible, a telephone, radio or TV for those = times when=20 you want "noise".
9. Hooks on edge of workbench to hang towels, which, = by the=20 way, should be right next to the grinder. Also a large bucket full of = water to=20 rinse ground pieces, and to add to grinder when the well goes = dry.
10. 2 or 3 tiered tool carousel, for obvious=20 reasons.
11. Rack or pole suspended on L-shaped brackets = which would=20 hold a roll of pattern paper or white butcher paper.
I could go on and on, but to me, these are = definitely=20 elemental in making your space more economical and handy.
Feel free to email me for more = suggestions!
Mary
embee@mediaone.net
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEC018.71769EE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 20:13:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:31:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 8 Little Piggies lampshade photo Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:48:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun26.174852.0> References: <<1999Jun25.7320.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie, I'm not a piggie person, but I've known several of them and I can see how they would love that lamp! It looks great. I sure wouldn't want to try one! What a job! Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 21:55:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re :Piggies Lamp shade! Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:07:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun26.20715.0> Precedence: bulk They are so sweet...Can you do cows! Abbie In Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jun 26 22:25:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Messy email Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:58:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun26.205827.0> Precedence: bulk I was told by Bud that my email contained all the "garbage" that happens when "plain text" isn't checked. I'm sending this one to see if the problem is fixed. Thanks... Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 01:59:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: "Ann Haynie" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Suggestions Please Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990627042058.006b9ec8@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1999Jun26.153156.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi .... Make sure you get the part of the shed with the window which can (hopefully) be opened for ventilation. The floor should be as easy to clean as possible (no carpeting). Open one of Mike Savad's letters to Bungi and click on his link to his website... he has a very comprehensive discription of his workshop with pictures and many suggestions. Barbara At 07:31 PM 6/26/99 -0400, Ann Haynie wrote: >We will be building onto an existing shed at the end of our carport to make >it approximately 18'd x 19'w. I am get half of it for a stained glass >workshop. (Whole lot better than my laundry room) I am asking for any >suggestions on what I should have, lighting, flooring, etc. Any >suggestions would be greatly as I am very new at this (for me) hobby. I >want it to turn out right. Thanks. >Ann > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 02:29:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hello EveryOne Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990627044829.006cfd28@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Hello Bungians, I have been away for awhile.... (did anyone miss me). But I am back now and with a question. I just registered for Glass Visions'99 in Allentown in Aug. Is anyone here going? Barbara..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 04:59:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:29:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: N.G. looking for a company Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:28:43 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun27.112843.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/26/99 12:54:09 AM, crzylynna@email.msn.com wrote: >(yeah, I know... BOUGHT????) We all have our moments of weakness (she said, looking up at the 3 blown-glass vases I Just Couldn't Resist and have no regrets whatsoever about the couple of hundred hard-earned bucks I didn't have that I dropped on them anyway). Good luck on finding the maker. At least you have a name to go on! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 05:13:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Barrier Cream Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:28:39 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun27.112839.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/25/99 10:38:03 PM, Beadnik3@webtv.net wrote: >I'd like to purchase a barrier cream to use on my hands.... [...] > >Does anyone know the name of a good product, and what type of store >would carry it? If I remember right, Avon used to offer something called "Silicone Glove." I don't know if they still do or not, but I knew several people who swore by it. You might try asking around your local hardware stores to see if they have anything like it - you'd be amazed at the things the bigger mom-and-pop operations have tucked away in odd corners. (My local place has stuff the Depot doesn't even seem to *know* about.) I'll also keep an eye out for it next time we get a "Voice of the Mountains" catalog in the mail (my sweetie's mom is on *everyone's* mailing list because she does most of her shopping by mail). It comes from a company in Vermont that caters to "old-time simple-living folksy folks" and carries a lot of good old tried-and-true things like Bag Balm and pine tar soap and all-cotton sheets that are actually big enough for the bed; I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they also carry some sort of protective hand cream. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 05:28:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:30:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Computer crash...... please re-send mail....... Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:28:34 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun27.112834.0> Precedence: bulk GAAAAAAAAAAAAAK! The hard drive on our main computer committed suicide first thing yesterday morning. It started making these horrible grinding noises - the drive mechanism itself is shot. Fortunately it's under warranty, but it's still gotta be packed up and sent off for repair. Anyhoo, I lost all my mail in the process, and the old slow-dog 'puter I'm using now is too-oo-oo-oo-oo slow to go on line and re-download any old mail. If anyone has tried to e-mail me privately in the last 2-3 days, please be so kind as to re-send your message. Thanks! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 05:29:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: Ensembles@compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: 8 Little Piggies lampshade photo Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:39:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.33911.0> Precedence: bulk Christie.....that lampshade is quite a piece. After so much discussion, it was fun to see it in person......I think you might consider oinking out a pattern book, call the publishers......"Patterns for Pig Lovers". Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 06:59:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: N.G. looking for a company Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:15:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990627091537.006ca858@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1999Jun27.112843.0>> Precedence: bulk Speaking of hand blown vases...... I went to the grand opening of the new and improved Corning Glass Museum last weekend. I was so lucky to watch a very good friend of mine, hand blow a Stuben fluted dish, his own design, during a hot glass show. After he finished this incredible piece, he plunged it into a tub of water while it was still about 700 degrees F. Can you imagine a glass lovers pain to watch a piece that beautiful smash to pieces? I cringed out loud!! If any of you get a chance to go please do... it is a wonderful place to visit. Barbara At 07:28 AM 6/27/99 EDT, Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 6/26/99 12:54:09 AM, crzylynna@email.msn.com wrote: > >>(yeah, I know... BOUGHT????) > >We all have our moments of weakness (she said, looking up at the 3 >blown-glass vases I Just Couldn't Resist and have no regrets whatsoever about >the couple of hundred hard-earned bucks I didn't have that I dropped on them >anyway). > >Good luck on finding the maker. At least you have a name to go on! > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 07:09:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hello EveryOne Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:35:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.53531.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990627044829.006cfd28@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk I've registered John and myself. Not only are we going, we're leaving a week early and taking a long loop around...perhaps Saratoga Springs (for the races) to Corning, to Connellsville (Youghiogheny...see Fallingwaters before it falls), maybe over to West Virginia, then back to Allentown. I expect we'll be camping again. We haven't found the perfect campgound yet. And last year there were heavy rainstorms that almost collapsed our tent one night! (Come to think of it, the first year, we drove to Allentown early from Connecticut in heavy, heavy rains - couldn't see much of the Delaware Water Gap - and had to take a motel room because there was no way we could have put our tent up in that rain. Is there a theme here?) Dorothy Barbara wrote: > Hello Bungians, > I have been away for awhile.... (did anyone miss me). But I am back now > and with a question. > I just registered for Glass Visions'99 in Allentown in Aug. Is anyone > here going? > > Barbara..... > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 08:02:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Barbara Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Suggestions Please Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:15:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.6153.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990627042058.006b9ec8@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > > Hi .... > Make sure you get the part of the shed with the window which can > (hopefully) be opened for ventilation. The floor should be as easy to clean > as possible (no carpeting). Open one of Mike Savad's letters to Bungi and > click on his link to his website... he has a very comprehensive discription > of his workshop with pictures and many suggestions. > > Barbara > > At 07:31 PM 6/26/99 -0400, Ann Haynie wrote: > >We will be building onto an existing shed at the end of our carport to make > >it approximately 18'd x 19'w. I am get half of it for a stained glass > >workshop. (Whole lot better than my laundry room) I am asking for any > >suggestions on what I should have, lighting, flooring, etc. Any > >suggestions would be greatly as I am very new at this (for me) hobby. I > >want it to turn out right. Thanks. > >Ann > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass or to make it easier: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 08:17:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Computer crash...... please re-send mail....... Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:17:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.61748.0> References: <<1999Jun27.112834.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > GAAAAAAAAAAAAAK! The hard drive on our main computer committed suicide first > thing yesterday morning. It started making these horrible grinding noises - > the drive mechanism itself is shot. Fortunately it's under warranty, but it's > still gotta be packed up and sent off for repair. > > Anyhoo, I lost all my mail in the process, and the old slow-dog 'puter I'm > using now is too-oo-oo-oo-oo slow to go on line and re-download any old mail. > If anyone has tried to e-mail me privately in the last 2-3 days, please be so > kind as to re-send your message. Thanks! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass try going into dos mode. the same thing just happened to my machine (luckily i bought my own system - it happened on my mothers). by any chance is the hard drive an IBM? and di it make a strange grinding sound like something was rattling around inside? i was able to get in my machine from a boot disk. if anything i can transfer things off that way. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 08:35:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:48:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: J B Subject: Re: Barrier Cream Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:34:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.12343.0> References: <<1999Jun25.175616.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Joan, Remember that barrier creams are not as protective as gloves. Mostly barrier creams make the contamination easier to wash off, by filling the pores of your skin, so the contaminants are *more* surface than deeper. BUT it does not prevent skin absorption of the chemicals, lead, etc. Good hygiene may be as good or better protection than barrier creams. Steve In message <1999Jun25.175616.0@?>, J B writes >I'd like to purchase a barrier cream to use on my hands.... the type >that offers protection from chemicals. There are times when I just can't >work with latex gloves on. > >Does anyone know the name of a good product, and what type of store >would carry it? > >Thanks. > >Joan > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 08:47:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Albert Lewis Subject: Re: Function of gum arabic (Was reusche paints) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:37:56 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.123756.0> References: <<199906261259.IAA06787@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Good point Albert. I don't see why glycol shouldn't be a good lubricant for the paint. I'd be worried about some of the additives that modern antifreeze has remaining with the paint even after firing. Perhaps Julie Sloan has a comment? Steve In message <199906261259.IAA06787@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>, Albert Lewis writes > >> Again too much gum arabic, and the paint "fries" in the kiln - >> those flaked areas, where it looks as though the paint has exploded >> from the glass. > >I mentioned this discussion to someone from a major US studio >yesterday. She said they use antifreeze as the carrying medium for >the paint. Don't drink it, though. > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 09:01:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:51:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: HiimLaura@aol.com Subject: Do-ability of published patterns (My piggie project (a real oinker)) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:46:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.124651.0> References: <<1999Jun26.1588.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Laura wrote about her experience of adapting a pattern from Ed Sibbett. I have often wondered whether these makers and publishers of patterns have actually used the pattern to make the project. Some books are much better than others, but almost all I have seen show evidence that some of the patterns have not been tested in practice. Which leads me to wonder if any have been tested. I think the publishers should add a warning to published pattern books along the lines of "these patterns are ideas for stained glass projects, but it is not known whether any or all of them are practical to create" It might also be interesting to extend the practice of one lamp making book to grading the projects from easy to difficult in 5 levels. All the patterns in this book are possible to make, and appear to have been made before the book was published. My opinion of Ed Sibbett, jr.? He should try out more of his patterns before publishing them. Steve In message <1999Jun26.1588.0@?>, HiimLaura@aol.com writes > >Hi everyone! I thought I'd share my very own piggie project ... > >Believe me, this was a real oinker... my very first panel. I attempted this >after doing stained glass for only THREE MONTHS - I think I was on a stained >glass high! It's a study of a drawing from Ed Sibbett Jr's "Stained Glass >Coloring Book" from Dover Books. I adapted the drawing into a pattern. Some >of the pieces (like the scarves around her arm) were almost too small to >handle (get out the tweezers!). It was too difficult for a beginner, but I >completed it anyway, hemming and hawing and cursing my frusturations - I >couldn't wait to get it finished. What I learned from this project: patience! > >I used simple drawn antique glass to complement the intircate design. >[size - about 14" wide and about 19" to 20" high] > >Laura >HiimLaura@aol.com > >[ A MIME image / jpeg part was included here. ] > -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 09:14:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pdq.net!creativeco From: Creativeco To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: N.G. looking for a company Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:38:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.33836.0> References: <<1999Jun25.134731.0>> Precedence: bulk Lynn, Is there a way you can take a picture of the windchime and post it somewhere that the group could see it? I'm curious to see what it looks like! Margo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 09:33:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:49:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ripple textured glass Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:54:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.1544.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Ok, hands everyone, who hates to foil ripple textured glass? No, no, wait that is too many hands. I can't count them. Let me rephase. Who loves to foil ripple textured glass? Um, no hands. OK, who doesn't mind foiling ripple textured glass? Oh! so you are the one????? I know I should have ground the edges first. Unfortunately I had forgotten the peice of advice until I was foiling my last edge. Oh, well next time. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 09:47:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Function of gum arabic (Was reusche paints) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:09:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199906271608.MAA27768@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I'd be worried about some of the additives that modern antifreeze > has remaining with the paint even after firing. Perhaps Julie Sloan > has a comment? Well, it's her studio that's using it, but she's not sure why. I'm already under orders to ask one of the craftspeople, but they won't be in until tomorrow. I'll be back with more info on that, Steve. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 10:34:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re :Piggies Lamp shade! Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:42:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.84251.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Evelyn C Mason" >They are so sweet...Can you do cows! Abbie In Va.< Believe it or not, the Wordon lampshade system does have a cow pattern. Probably for the same 22" mold as the piggies lampshade. But I'm not going to be doing one for at least a year. Takes me that long to recover! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 10:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Moving my studio today Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:43:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.8430.0> Precedence: bulk ...so please be patient if I'm a bit slow getting back to email messages for a couple of days. New address for those who want to know: 405 E. Walnut Street Rear North Wales, PA 19454 Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 11:03:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 8 Little Piggies lampshade photo Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:42:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.84258.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Diane W Manchester >Christie.....that lampshade is quite a piece. After so much discussion,= it was fun to see it in person......I think you might consider oinking out a pattern book, call the publishers......"Patterns for Pig Lovers".< Well, I've got the Pricilla portrait (which was done for the same client who now has the 8 Little Piggies lampshade, and he was talking to me yesterday about commissioning a double pig portrait, since they now have 2 pet pigs. That plus the flying pigs mobile....hmmmmm....maybe there is some money to be made out of this yet! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 11:03:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: ripple textured glass Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:52:12 -0700 Message-ID: <199906271652.JAA03051@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Ok, hands everyone, who hates to foil ripple textured glass? >No, no, wait that is too many hands. I can't count them. >Let me rephase. >Who loves to foil ripple textured glass? >Um, no hands. >OK, who doesn't mind foiling ripple textured glass? >Oh! so you are the one????? >I know I should have ground the edges first. Unfortunately I had >forgotten the peice of advice until I was foiling my last edge. >Oh, well next time. Shirley...when I grind edges of heavily rippled glass like Spectrum clear rippled I take the top off the ridges on the back just in the area the foil will cover. Don't bother with this for Kokomo rippled. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 11:16:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Barrier Cream Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:38:59 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun27.173859.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/27/99 11:36:33 AM, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk wrote: >Mostly barrier creams make the contamination easier to wash off, by >filling the pores of your skin, [...] > >Good hygiene may be as good or better protection than barrier >creams. While we're on the subject, is anyone out there using Sasha's or other such soap that's supposed to be extra-good at getting heavy-metal residue off your skin? Does it really work, or is it a gimmick? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 12:03:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:30:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!iluvscotties From: Scottie Lover To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:31:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4.1.19990627142659.0093c760@pop.mindspring.com> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990627042058.006b9ec8@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk I would like to purchase a stained glass box made with a post card beneath glass as the top central panel. (In other words, it would be a standard stained glass box -- except that, instead of using colored or patterned glass in the center top, you'd use a plain pane of glass with a postcard behind it.) Can anyone recommend anyone who could sell me one by mail? (I once ordered one by mail from a jerk who put the postcard in backwards -- and, instead of admitting his mistake, insisted that "everyone prefers them that way". So I'm a little wary ...) Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am thrilled to have discovered this wonderful list (on Mike's great site). Thank you very much! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Decoupage traditional/glass/3D http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/GiftsFromTheHeart cherished, heirloom gifts http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Origami origami art work http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Scherenschnitte lovely/cheap/easyPprCut http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/TriedNTrueRecipes tried-n-true fave recipes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 15:33:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Holtenwood Web Site Up Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:56:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.75635.0> Precedence: bulk The Holtenwood web site is up. Contains pages for the gallery, my work (Holtenwood Studios), Adriana's jewelry (Jewelry by Adriana), and Computing Solutions Canada. The starting page for Holtenwood Studios, which is probably what is of most interest to the stained glass list is: http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm - Holtenwood Studios main page Other pages may be accessed from the navigation bar on the top of every page. For those of you who have already looked at the wonderful pages Albert set up for me on the IGGA web site several months ago, you will probably find the pictures are pretty much the same. I have been concentrating on getting the site up in the first place, so I pretty much used scans I already had. The pictures should load a lot faster since I have been learning a lot about web compression, but otherwise they are pretty much the same. I hope to be getting new work up in the future, but hey I can only do so much at once. If you have a chance, please check it out. I would be curious what people think and also if anyone experiences browser specific problems either in connecting or in how pages display. If you have any unusual browsers or connection methods it would be great if you could try them out too to let me know if the pages work with them. That is it for what some of you may consider to be shameless spam. But really, this site is very important to my stained glass work and my other artistic endeavors, so please don't get on my case too much about this one little self advertisement. I guess I will have to start appending one of those little URL lines to the end of every bungi message now :-) Thanks - Tim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 17:34:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: website Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.10512.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks. It seems that no one can get to my site from an AOL account. Since it is Sunday, I probably will not be able to find out what is going on until tomorrow. Also a few other servers have reported the error. Many others connect fine. I have even had at least one person connect fine from Europe. If any of the more web-savvy of you out there in Bungi land have an idea why this should be, could you let me know? Is there something about Canadian domains such as "bc.ca"? I know that Microsoft is too stupid to add Canadian domains to their auto-completion algorithms in Internet Explorer. But as far as I know this is the only problem with using a Canadian domain. -----Original Message----- From: GlasLdy@aol.com To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 4:39 PM Subject: website >can't get into your website--says unknown host ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 18:33:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netrax.net!rejones From: Bob Jones To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns (My piggie project (a real oinker)) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.17242.0> References: <<1999Jun27.124651.0>> Precedence: bulk I take a pattern book a lot more seriously, if the publisher includes either a suggested glass list or a photo of the completed project. I also tend to look through the book and see if there are any pieces in the projects that I feel would be too difficult to do. My judgement is often right on the money. If I look at the project and can see pieces within that I wonder if I can cut, that project is not for me. Sometimes, though, I simply have to make a project and struglle through the difficult pieces. I mad an Hawaiian Santa for my sister last year. The shirt was horrible to cut. Some pieces were cut and recut. I was even forced to get the smallest bit I could for the grinder. I no longer have the pattern, it was just to difficult for my level of ability or patience. Bob Steve Richard wrote: > Laura wrote about her experience of adapting a pattern from Ed Sibbett. > > I have often wondered whether these makers and publishers of patterns > have actually used the pattern to make the project. Some books are much > better than others, but almost all I have seen show evidence that some > of the patterns have not been tested in practice. Which leads me to > wonder if any have been tested. > > I think the publishers should add a warning to published pattern books > along the lines of "these patterns are ideas for stained glass projects, > but it is not known whether any or all of them are practical to create" > > It might also be interesting to extend the practice of one lamp making > book to grading the projects from easy to difficult in 5 levels. All > the patterns in this book are possible to make, and appear to have been > made before the book was published. > > My opinion of Ed Sibbett, jr.? He should try out more of his patterns > before publishing them. > > Steve > > In message <1999Jun26.1588.0@?>, HiimLaura@aol.com writes > > > >Hi everyone! I thought I'd share my very own piggie project ... > > > >Believe me, this was a real oinker... my very first panel. I attempted this > >after doing stained glass for only THREE MONTHS - I think I was on a stained > >glass high! It's a study of a drawing from Ed Sibbett Jr's "Stained Glass > >Coloring Book" from Dover Books. I adapted the drawing into a pattern. Some > >of the pieces (like the scarves around her arm) were almost too small to > >handle (get out the tweezers!). It was too difficult for a beginner, but I > >completed it anyway, hemming and hawing and cursing my frusturations - I > >couldn't wait to get it finished. What I learned from this project: patience! > > > >I used simple drawn antique glass to complement the intircate design. > >[size - about 14" wide and about 19" to 20" high] > > > >Laura > >HiimLaura@aol.com > > > >[ A MIME image / jpeg part was included here. ] > > > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 18:47:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: website Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.151445.0> References: <<1999Jun27.10512.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm in the States and I use Netscape -- I've always had trouble connecting to Canadian websites and also have trouble sending to Canadian e-mail (and being in Minnesota, sometimes you'd think it'd be easier just to walk e-mail over the border!). I tried to get into your page and couldn't. If you get it figured out, I'll be one of the first to jump in there. Wonder how Billy Gates does it.... Tim & Adriana Atwood wrote: > Thanks. It seems that no one can get to my site from an AOL account. Since > it is Sunday, I probably will not be able to find out what is going on until > tomorrow. Also a few other servers have reported the error. > > Many others connect fine. I have even had at least one person connect fine > from Europe. > > If any of the more web-savvy of you out there in Bungi land have an idea why > this should be, could you let me know? > > Is there something about Canadian domains such as "bc.ca"? I know that > Microsoft is too stupid to add Canadian domains to their auto-completion > algorithms in Internet Explorer. But as far as I know this is the only > problem with using a Canadian domain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: GlasLdy@aol.com > To: Tim & Adriana Atwood > Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 4:39 PM > Subject: website > > >can't get into your website--says unknown host > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 20:34:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 8 little piggies Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:36:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.153646.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, I finally saw the pigs. Call me crazy, but I liked the lamp! It has a touch of whimsy, and if the person is into live pigs, I would think it would be a very pleasing lamp and a great conversational piece. I can see that each pig is expressive and fun. Good work!!! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 21:15:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:35:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: gypsie-laura Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:54:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.155453.0> Precedence: bulk I can understand your feelings of accomplishment. Good use of baroque in the hair. The pieces surrounding the body would certainly count as a "piggie in the poke!" Where is the project going to hang? Is it for yourself? I think you did very well. That first panel is a joy! I think it is neat that people can share their work on the internet, it makes it so personable. I haven't finished my tesselation, but I make progress everyday. The math professor who lent me the sketch to do the stained glass is anxious to see it. I told her, maybe by Christmas. ( two hours a day for another 100 days, at least!) I think it is good to have something that causes us to stretch. This piece has a great many small pieces, and the points that a set of six wings ( I think there are about 12 spirals altogether) of the butterflies meet, must be so exact. This is going to force me to find an eye for more exact fittings. I will be able to cut, groze, grind, and fit pieces so much better when I finish. And to quote you, "I will have learned patience..." I hope your gypsy, will bring you many hours of pleasure. Even if we are admiring our own work, when it is good, it still brings that little heart twitch. Its not pride, its just joy. claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 21:41:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ripple textured glass Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:53:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.13539.0> References: <<1999Jun27.1544.0>> Precedence: bulk I've made a couple of large windows (10 sq ft & 15 sq ft) involving trees where I just had to use Uroboros Rippled Green/White for the foilage (pun intended....I know..go to my room). After shredding my fingers whilst simultaneously shredding my foil, I came up with an ingenious idea: grind the danged sharp edges off first !! A light pass through the grinder on a slight angle seems to work for me.. Best regards, Cheryl Ryder Shirley Balloch wrote: > Ok, hands everyone, who hates to foil ripple textured glass? > No, no, wait that is too many hands. I can't count them. > Let me rephase. > Who loves to foil ripple textured glass? > Um, no hands. > OK, who doesn't mind foiling ripple textured glass? > Oh! so you are the one????? > I know I should have ground the edges first. Unfortunately I had > forgotten the peice of advice until I was foiling my last edge. > Oh, well next time. > Shirley B > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 22:04:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Re :Piggies Lamp shade! Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:54:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.135433.0> References: <<1999Jun27.84251.0>> Precedence: bulk If a piggy has larengitis, is it "disgruntled?" I know, go to my room. Regards, Cheryl Ryder Christie A. Wood wrote: > Message text written by "Evelyn C Mason" > >They are so sweet...Can you do cows! Abbie In Va.< > > Believe it or not, the Wordon lampshade system does have > a cow pattern. Probably for the same 22" mold as the piggies > lampshade. But I'm not going to be doing one for at least a > year. Takes me that long to recover! > > Christie Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > http://www.igga.org/wood/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 22:20:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ..home again...jigidy jig.. Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.174918.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everybody... I just had such a great trip~! :o) I got home early this afternoon, and wish I were back in the Colorado mountains. The weather was wonderful and warm during the day and long john and wool blanket weather at night! Pretty close to perfection if you ask me! I really really wish I could have made it to Colorado Springs to meet Dani and Michael...but it was just too far. I did manage a day trip to Taos, New Mexico though....and talked to some of the shop keepers and did a little bit of selling of myself, and glass wares...aarrrggggghhhhhh, I really dont like that. I recieved a favorable response (whew)! Visited a glass gallery. The Carol Savid gallery. Some interesting work....mostly hers. I was interested in asking some questions. **** What a huge disapointment*** that visit was. The gal in the gallery initiated a personal phone call rather than greeting the person entering the gallery (me). I took my time and studied everything in the place. I then went to the desk where she was sitting, talking on the phone and stood there. I finally turned around and left. What a joke that gal was for an employee. Well...Im tired. Just wanted to say hi. It's really hot and humid here. Yuck. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 22:38:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Great search engine Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:26:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.192642.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all.. I use Tracerlock search engine, which updates every site on the web that contains stained glass. Of course, you can enter any subject of interest to you, and it will send emails to you to advise you of current pages. If you're interested, the URL is http://www.peacefire.org/tracerlock By the way.. a question. I made a panel (Fuschias ... pattern by somebody... :-))about 3' x 4', made hanging loops by twisting and tinning the wire. Attached them over a seam on the zinc, on the top. I've had them break free 3 times! I know there has to be something I've done wrong; just can't figure it out. Any suggestions?? Remember... I've only done 7 panels so far, and am very new to glass... about 3 weeks so far, so I am very open to help! Mary Jax. Fl. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jun 27 23:37:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:17:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-446461771-10311 Subject: Re: website Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun27.15154.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-446461771-10311 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Somebody said: >Wonder how Billy Gates does it.... I have a thing called WebTv. Wireless keyboard. No chances of getting a virus. I can use a HP printer. I relax on my beautiful futon and send email and surf the net. I also own a Macintosh....but I use that for graphics, etc. Thank you, Bill Gates. Sue --WebTV-Mail-446461771-10311 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. --WebTV-Mail-446461771-10311-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 07:20:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Mary" Subject: Re: Great search engine Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:18:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun27.23187.0> References: <<1999Jun27.192642.0>> Precedence: bulk Good Morning Mary, Just my .02 worth, as a hobbyist, on panels, I like what a person from over the blue pacific has done for reinforcing, http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/html-data/tpage1.html http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/tech-data/tp-17.jpg http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/index.html (He is very technical in his glass work, great place to learn. Some have called his work simplistic, only take a look, and make you own decision, of the caliber of his artistic/technical ability) I believe that for hanging panels, it would be a great deal also, since the weight of the panel would be carried throughout, instead of being focused on one point of solder contact. He put wires into the seams of the panels and extend them out into the edging. On some panels that I did in the first, I wrapped the panel in 10 gauge wire, and made loops at the hanging points, this way the weight was spread and supported very well. And again, WELCOME TO THE LIST !!! Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary > By the way.. a question. I made a panel (Fuschias ... pattern by somebody... > :-))about 3' x 4', made hanging loops by twisting and tinning the wire. > Attached them over a seam on the zinc, on the top. I've had them break free > 3 times! I know there has to be something I've done wrong; just can't figure > it out. Any suggestions?? Remember... I've only done 7 panels so far, and am > very new to glass... about 3 weeks so far, so I am very open to help! > Mary > Jax. Fl. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 07:54:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Susan Perchelli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: website Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:02:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.6237.0> References: <<1999Jun27.15154.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Susan Perchelli wrote: > > Somebody said: > > >Wonder how Billy Gates does it.... > > I have a thing called WebTv. Wireless keyboard. No chances of getting a > virus. I can use a HP printer. I relax on my beautiful futon and send > email and surf the net. I also own a Macintosh....but I use that for > graphics, etc. Thank you, Bill Gates. > > Sue > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't > listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. web tv does have a hard drive, and you do get email. and most viruses come from the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of a computer, and a virus should be able to destroy your data just as easily... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 08:22:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Pattern Search Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun28.01255.0> Precedence: bulk Coming out of my lurking mode I was wondering if anyone has or knows where I can find a picture of a John Deere tractor. This would only be about the size of a suncatcher or maybe a little larger. It is going to hang in the window of a boys bedroom. I am now going to go back to lurking and searching. TIA for any help, Still lurking in Ohio Sheila _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 09:03:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-348620470-8407 Subject: Re: Great search engine Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun28.05125.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-348620470-8407 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit You might also try http://www.spydersearch.com --WebTV-Mail-348620470-8407 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. --WebTV-Mail-348620470-8407-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 09:25:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-287615220-11130 Subject: Re: website Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun28.11921.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-287615220-11130 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit The following is taken from one of the many FAQ pages for WebTV" FAQ 27: Can my WebTV get a virus? Nope. Viruses live on hard drives and can only be transmitted by downloading something to a hard drive. Downloading means taking something off the Internet and making it part of your hard drive. WebTV Internet terminals do not have hard drives, so your terminal cannot get a virus. ********************** --WebTV-Mail-287615220-11130 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. --WebTV-Mail-287615220-11130 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com ([0.0.0.0]) by mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.9.3/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id HAA18742 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cc36635-a ([24.3.173.17]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990628140359.IXZX1309.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@cc36635-a>; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:03:59 -0700 Message-ID: <3777807D.FCB@home.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:02:37 -0400 From: Mike Savad Reply-To: esavad@home.net Organization: Mike's Stained Glass X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Perchelli CC: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: website References: <> <1999Jun27.15154.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susan Perchelli wrote: > > Somebody said: > > >Wonder how Billy Gates does it.... > > I have a thing called WebTv. Wireless keyboard. No chances of getting a > virus. I can use a HP printer. I relax on my beautiful futon and send > email and surf the net. I also own a Macintosh....but I use that for > graphics, etc. Thank you, Bill Gates. > > Sue > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't > listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. web tv does have a hard drive, and you do get email. and most viruses come from the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of a computer, and a virus should be able to destroy your data just as easily... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City --WebTV-Mail-287615220-11130-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 09:29:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Sheila Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pattern Search Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:33:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.73336.0> References: <<1999Jun28.01255.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Sheila wrote: > > Coming out of my lurking mode I was wondering if anyone has or knows > where I can find a picture of a John Deere tractor. This would only be > about the size of a suncatcher or maybe a little larger. It is going > to hang in the window of a boys bedroom. I am now going to go back to > lurking and searching. > > TIA for any help, > > Still lurking in Ohio > Sheila > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass http://www.deere.com/ there home page ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 11:28:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik3 From: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG: Re: Website Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun28.92645.0> Precedence: bulk Mike Savad wrote: >web tv does have a hard drive, No, not in the conventional sense.... no data is stored on the hard drive in the webtv box.... all data is stored at the WEBTV Server. >and you do >get email. and most viruses come from >the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of >a computer, NOT true.... WEBTV is an entity onto itself... it is NOT a computer, it is an instrument who's sole purpose is accessing the internet, and it does that VERY well. > and a virus should be able to >destroy your data just as easily... Again, NOT TRUE! One of the real advanatges of WEBTV is that it offers immunity from viruses. As I said before, all data is stored at the Server base of WEBTV, not in each person's webtv box. I've had webtv for 1 1/2 yrs and I love it. I do have a PC that I use for other things, but for accessing the internet, including e-mail, receiving and sending pictures, etc., it can't be beat (IMHO). And.... it never crashes! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 12:54:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Dichronic test Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:10:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.41045.0> References: <<3777B15E.AAB159F2@prodigy.net>> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Do not know if this qualifies as a valid test,,, I could not resist this morning, I took some of the Dichronic scrap that I was cutting for triangles, a thin silver, and turned on the propane torch, grabbed a brazing rod that I use for making garden stick butterflies, and tried making a bead. Well needless to say, the deal was not the right tools, only the glass melted to the orange state near the burner head, got soft enough to twist onto the rod, and held the dichronic coating just fine. It did not burn off, the result was a rough bead (yes fused to the rod) with the shimmer of the coating when you turned it. Yeah, I guess that I am going to have to buy a torch head, and some supplies, and try doing it correctly, ;-) Do you have to have a annealing oven to do beads? The hundred or so for the startup torch, and supplies, is about all I can afford to start with. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 13:57:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "J B" , Subject: Re: Re: Website NG Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:26:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.52632.0> References: <<1999Jun28.92645.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Question.... how fast is it? I use a 38k modem. I've never been able to find out how fast the modem on WebTV processes. Do you know? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: J B To: Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 10:26 AM Subject: NG: Re: Website > Mike Savad wrote: > > >web tv does have a hard drive, > > No, not in the conventional sense.... no data is stored on the hard > drive in the webtv box.... all data is stored at the WEBTV Server. > > >and you do > >get email. and most viruses come from > >the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of > >a computer, > > NOT true.... WEBTV is an entity onto itself... it is NOT a computer, it > is an instrument who's sole purpose is accessing the internet, and it > does that VERY well. > > > and a virus should be able to > >destroy your data just as easily... > > Again, NOT TRUE! One of the real advanatges of WEBTV is that it offers > immunity from viruses. As I said before, all data is stored at the > Server base of WEBTV, not in each person's webtv box. > > I've had webtv for 1 1/2 yrs and I love it. I do have a PC that I use > for other things, but for accessing the internet, including e-mail, > receiving and sending pictures, etc., it can't be beat (IMHO). And.... > it never crashes! > > Joan > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 14:31:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: plummeting panels - Mary Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:42:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.84243.0> Precedence: bulk Been there, done that! I have only been doing this a year, and its nice to know we all have the same growing...or breaking problems. This is only my trial and error experiment that is still holding. I used 50/50 solder because it melts at a higher temp, and I put flux on the zinc and then cranked up my iron as high as it went, and heated the zinc, then I soldered a piece of wire that has the hoop in middle and two long ends. I braced the two ends up in the inside lip of the zinc next to the glass (running in different directions or at 90 degree if in the upper corner). I left about 1/2 inch (or the width of the zinc) to cross of the back of the zinc border with the loop protruding past and soldered that down too. On the front side all anyone can see is the loop that I attached the chain to. To that I added some curly ques, to make it look good. I think the secret to the whole thing, is to get the zinc hot before soldering, so that the solder binds. I think my previous problems was in not getting all the metals hot enough. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 14:56:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik3 From: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG: WEBTV Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun28.124710.0> Precedence: bulk >Question.... how fast is it? >I use a 38k modem. I've never been able >to find out how fast the modem on WebTV >processes. >Do you know? On the WEBTV-Plus, the modem is 56K Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 15:58:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Hanging loop problem answered Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.134048.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all... I took my panel to my teacher today, and he suggested that it might be too large for double twined wire to hold it. He fashioned a holder for me that lies flat against the side about 3" down, comes up to the top with a V shaped "loop" close to the edge, with about 3" more flat on the top. He suggested I not solder the sides and top flat pieces flush, rather just solder at the seam lines. He also had this neat gizmo that bent the thick wire so that both sides were perfectly symmetrical. I am going to attach it this afternoon and hopefully that's the end of THAT! I found that a piece of the Baroque background has a crack in it near a leaf, so he suggested rather than remove it, I place some 3/16" foil over the crack, and on the corresponding piece on the other side, and just make a "seam". Sounds like a winner to me, as I dreaded removing the glass and replacing it. Thanks to all who emailed me with suggestions! Mary Jax. Fl. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 16:38:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "J B" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Barrier Cream Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:28:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.72831.0> Precedence: bulk Most industrial safety equipment stores. Lee Valley Tools catalogue. -----Original Message----- From: J B To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 7:42 PM Subject: Barrier Cream >I'd like to purchase a barrier cream to use on my hands.... the type >that offers protection from chemicals. There are times when I just can't >work with latex gloves on. > >Does anyone know the name of a good product, and what type of store >would carry it? > >Thanks. > >Joan > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 17:11:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:41:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pdq.net!creativeco From: Creativeco To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hanging large pieces Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.124117.0> References: <<1999Jun27.192642.0>> Precedence: bulk Mary, I'm new to stained glass but I'll share with you what my instructor told me. They hand everything in their studio with paper clips! They take the jumbo paper clips and clip off the end so they form an elongated U shape. Then they solder them onto the corners using something like a pencil to keep the spacing uniform. Larger pieces get two paperclips per side. They also pointed out that you have to be really sure you melt the solder all they way through to the zinc. Soldering the clips on top of the corner solder will not hold. Margo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 17:41:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!iluvscotties From: Scottie Lover To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:13:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4.1.19990628185907.0094fa20@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk This list is phenomenal! I am thrilled about the responses to my question about ordering a stained glass box with a post cardbeneath the glass in the top central panel. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 18:13:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: J B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:12:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.15120.0> References: <<1999Jun28.92645.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk J B wrote: > > Mike Savad wrote: > > >web tv does have a hard drive, > > No, not in the conventional sense.... no data is stored on the hard > drive in the webtv box.... all data is stored at the WEBTV Server. > > >and you do > >get email. and most viruses come from > >the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of > >a computer, > > NOT true.... WEBTV is an entity onto itself... it is NOT a computer, it > is an instrument who's sole purpose is accessing the internet, and it > does that VERY well. > > > and a virus should be able to > >destroy your data just as easily... > > Again, NOT TRUE! One of the real advanatges of WEBTV is that it offers > immunity from viruses. As I said before, all data is stored at the > Server base of WEBTV, not in each person's webtv box. > > I've had webtv for 1 1/2 yrs and I love it. I do have a PC that I use > for other things, but for accessing the internet, including e-mail, > receiving and sending pictures, etc., it can't be beat (IMHO). And.... > it never crashes! > > Joan > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass your mail is being stored somewhere right? it has to be stored on a harddrive of some kind. so, no, webtv is not immune. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 19:44:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:13:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!atayloreddesign From: Delores Taylor To: "Candy Thurman" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: photo finishing Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199906290111.VAA06735@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk I live in the Seattle area and own a Mac. I use Seattle Filmworks 200 ASA occasionally and they do have Mac CD's as info. At 06:16 PM 6/26/99 -0400, you wrote: >Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com >Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by dub-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.19) with ESMTP id SAA11770; > Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:16:32 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:23:15 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >X-Path: ghostman.com!candy >From: "Candy Thurman" >To: "glass@bungi.com" >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Subject: Re: photo finishing >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 03:16:19 >Message-ID: <199906262122.PAA03164@mantis.privatei.com> >Precedence: bulk > >Seattle filmworks (the only place who's ever gotten the color of the green GNA right) >now puts the pics online for you to view, and will put everything on cd's, windows only.. >for a very small fee.. and the onlines are free. > >Candy > >(www.sfw.com) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 20:40:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!iluvscotties From: Scottie Lover To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:22:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4.1.19990628212011.009409a0@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk This list is phenomenal! I am thrilled about the responses to my question about ordering a stained glass box with a post card beneath the glass in the top central panel. Several people mentioned photographs, but none were able to respond to my follow-up E-Mails asking about this -- so I'm posting this question to the entire list. I had previously been told that photographs deteriorate if used in a similar manner (i.e., behind a pane of clear glass in the top central panel of a stained glass box)? Does anyone know whether or not this is true -- i.e., is it safe to put a photograph behind a pane of clear glass in the top central panel of a stained glass box? Or would that cause the photo to deteriorate? If this _IS_ doable, I would like very much to hear from anyone who does this sort of thing, and who would be willing to sell one to me by mail. (Please give some hint as to your pricing structure.) Thank you _VERY_ much ... This list is fantastic! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jun 28 22:47:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:09:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:07:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.4738.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/28/99 11:41:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iluvscotties@mindspring.com writes: << Does anyone know whether or not this is true -- i.e., is it safe to put a photograph behind a pane of clear glass in the top central panel of a stained glass box? Or would that cause the photo to deteriorate? >> I imagine that the sun would fade the colors in the photo. Sunlight is the enemy of most art work. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 01:41:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1525440928-1460 Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun28.143933.0> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1525440928-1460 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Most Excellent and well said!! --WebTV-Mail-1525440928-1460 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. --WebTV-Mail-1525440928-1460 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.9.3/ms.graham.2jul97) with ESMTP id LAA10846; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik3 From: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG: Re: Website Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun28.92645.0> Precedence: bulk Mike Savad wrote: >web tv does have a hard drive, No, not in the conventional sense.... no data is stored on the hard drive in the webtv box.... all data is stored at the WEBTV Server. >and you do >get email. and most viruses come from >the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of >a computer, NOT true.... WEBTV is an entity onto itself... it is NOT a computer, it is an instrument who's sole purpose is accessing the internet, and it does that VERY well. > and a virus should be able to >destroy your data just as easily... Again, NOT TRUE! One of the real advanatges of WEBTV is that it offers immunity from viruses. As I said before, all data is stored at the Server base of WEBTV, not in each person's webtv box. I've had webtv for 1 1/2 yrs and I love it. I do have a PC that I use for other things, but for accessing the internet, including e-mail, receiving and sending pictures, etc., it can't be beat (IMHO). And.... it never crashes! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-1525440928-1460-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 02:01:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dalle de Verre Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun28.185013.0> Precedence: bulk Question.. Dalle de Verre...refers to the *method of construction* of slab glass. Is that statement correct? If so.... then while in Taos...at the aforementioned major turn off glass gallery, What I found most interesting was the fused glass made into some really unique panels using the Dalle de Verre method. There were frequently up to what looked to be about 6 layers of glass and plenty of dichro used. Pretty cool work. Would have been pleased to meet Carol Savid, she does some neat stuff. Just hires crummy employees. She used pretty sparkly blond sand with her resin? The stuff used on the church windows I saw recently was smooth, flat, black...not sand at all, but more like flat paint. I am so irritated everytime I think about how rude the gal working (yeah right..and she gets paid?) there was... Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 04:40:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 03:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dalle de Verre Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:59:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199906291058.GAA06930@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Dalle de Verre...refers to the *method of construction* of slab > glass. Is that statement correct? The word "dalles" translates roughly as "flagstones" so the phrase "dalles de verre" is "glass flagstones." One uses dalles de verre or constructs a wall with dalles de verre, although I've seen it said that one "uses the dalles de verre technique," which to my mind is stretching it, but that's the beauty of language, that useage changes. In the workshops Blenko has given in the past, the material poured around the dalles - the matrix that holds them together - is sand-colored, but I suspect it can be tinted. If it were black or very dark the colors of the dalles would be set off much as darkened cames recede visually and allow the glass to show off. My 2c Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 06:39:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: plummeting panels - Mary Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:29:47 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.122947.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/28/99 5:32:42 PM, cpjaram@7cities.net wrote: >I think the secret to the whole thing, is to get the zinc hot before >soldering, so that the solder binds. I think my previous problems was in >not getting all the metals hot enough. The way I was taught to do it is to run the ends of the wire *inside* the framing channel. That *really* ain't goin' nowhere! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 06:59:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hanging large pieces Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199906291252.IAA06806@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > shape. Then they solder them onto the corners using something like a > pencil to keep the spacing uniform. Larger pieces get two paperclips per > side. To the best of my knowledge solder does not bond to a paper clip. It may appear to at first, but it will loosen in time. Tin, brass, copper, zinc, lead, etc can be soldered with lead solder but not steel. I would not trust this method. I have used galvanized (zinc plated) steel wire, with apparent success. -- Davidc ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 07:28:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:02:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dalle de Verre Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:00:27 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.13027.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne, I had always read that Dalles de Verre (AKA Dalles) refers to the medium of slab glass, and as Albert has pointed out, over the years, the term has also come to be known as the technique. Since the medium (of the Dalles or slab glass) is so unique, it is easy to see how this term has become interchangeable as both medium and technique. Cement mix is sometimes used as a matrix (good for panels), and can be reinforced with wire before pouring the cement. Epoxy (a mix of monomer and polymer) is also used as a matrix (no need for reinforcement), and is better for outdoor (window) use since over time, cement will become fractured by the cold weather outside and the warmness inside of the building. Some people put a light sprinkling of sand atop their freshly poured epoxy for effect. This is probably what saw in the gallery. Too bad about the employee - what a turn-off! Laura HiimLaura@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 07:43:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns ( Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:04:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199906291411.OAA24069@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Hah! What did I say about 3 years ago!!? My disdain for pattern-cobblers like Ed Sibbett Jnr is WELL recorded! His patterns are BANNED from my classes. All you struggling "newbies" out there; DO NOT think it's YOUR fault that you can't execute his patterns!! Both Steve and Laura are too mild-mannered. Ya should have heard what I originally had to say about this subject!! I don't think it bears repeating...... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Laura wrote about her experience of adapting a pattern from Ed Sibbett. > > I have often wondered whether these makers and publishers of patterns > have actually used the pattern to make the project. Some books are much > better than others, but almost all I have seen show evidence that some > of the patterns have not been tested in practice. Which leads me to > wonder if any have been tested. > > I think the publishers should add a warning to published pattern books > along the lines of "these patterns are ideas for stained glass projects, > but it is not known whether any or all of them are practical to create" > > It might also be interesting to extend the practice of one lamp making > book to grading the projects from easy to difficult in 5 levels. All > the patterns in this book are possible to make, and appear to have been > made before the book was published. > > My opinion of Ed Sibbett, jr.? He should try out more of his patterns > before publishing them. > > Steve > > In message <1999Jun26.1588.0@?>, HiimLaura@aol.com writes > > > >Hi everyone! I thought I'd share my very own piggie project ... > > > >Believe me, this was a real oinker... my very first panel. I attempted this > >after doing stained glass for only THREE MONTHS - I think I was on a stained > >glass high! It's a study of a drawing from Ed Sibbett Jr's "Stained Glass > >Coloring Book" from Dover Books. I adapted the drawing into a pattern. Some > >of the pieces (like the scarves around her arm) were almost too small to > >handle (get out the tweezers!). It was too difficult for a beginner, but I > >completed it anyway, hemming and hawing and cursing my frusturations - I > >couldn't wait to get it finished. What I learned from this project: patience! > > > >I used simple drawn antique glass to complement the intircate design. > >[size - about 14" wide and about 19" to 20" high] > > > >Laura > >HiimLaura@aol.com > > > >[ A MIME image / jpeg part was included here. ] > > > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 07:57:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:44:39 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.134439.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/28/99 11:41:26 PM, iluvscotties@mindspring.com wrote: >I had previously been told that photographs deteriorate if >used in a similar manner (i.e., behind a pane of clear glass in the top >central panel of a stained glass box)? Does anyone know whether or not this >is true -- i.e., is it safe to put a photograph behind a pane of clear >glass in the top central panel of a stained glass box? Or would that cause >the photo to deteriorate? No more than if you kept the same photo in a regular frame on your desk at the office, f'rinstance. Of course you want to keep it out of direct sunlight, but modern photos hold up pretty well inder normal indoor conditions. The main concerns would be making absolutely sure that no flux gets on the photo and that it doesn't get too much heat exposure - you'd need to sandwich the picture between 2 thin (2mm) sheets of glass and foil the sandwich as a unit with a wider foil, then use the lowest heat possible to solder it in place. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 08:02:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:46:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dalle de Verre Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:44:51 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.134451.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/29/99 7:41:22 AM, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net wrote: >The word "dalles" translates roughly as "flagstones" so the phrase >"dalles de verre" is "glass flagstones." One uses dalles de verre or >constructs a wall with dalles de verre Yesterday I had some time to kill in Olde City Philadelphia while waiting for my passport to be processed, so I wandered over to the Independence Park Visitor Center (on 3rd St. between Chestnut and Walnut). One of the exhibit rooms has back-lighted dalle de verre panels of historic and patriotic scenes zigzagging all around the upper walls and providing much of the room's lighting. Unusual and effective! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 08:28:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I'mmmmm Baaack! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:04:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199906291411.OAA24056@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Folks, Mr. O'Tutu is back!!! Toby's choice of Sunday Lunch has just been increased!!! Oh, and that reminds me, there are only 6 weeks left to get that s.g. tutu restored, sparkling and shiny.... Good (in the same way as a toothache that has stopped) to have you back. What crazy things will you be up to next??? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hey, remember me?. Just got back from three weeks in Ohio. Great to be home > I was getting glass withdrawal symptoms. I did find quite a few glass > places, two which struck me as great. > > The first one is in Beaver Creek, Ohio, called Busy Beaver Crafts. What a > place... wall to wall crafts in a small house with a basement full of glass. > Literally, you had to step over yarn, doll parts, candle making supplies, > bits and pieces of everything imaginable for crafts. At the back corner were > some of the glass supplies. As I started gazing at the array of supplies I > noticed a rack of pattern books and started thumbing through them. Then my > eye caught a few boxes of them on the floor... thousands of patterns and > some of them still marked with the original 1980 price or 1979 prices... > $1.25, $1.95, WOW what a great time looking through them. I bought a 1980 > Aurora pattern of a Hot Air Balloon with heart designs in it, a Lyre Bird > pattern, and an older pattern book (brown with age) with an interesting rose > and cross pattern, and other stuff. It was great... > > BTW I think I saw a few of those Microwave Kilns there. Whoever it was > looking for one send me an email and I give you the details of the shop. > > The second shop was in Dayton, Ohio. A place called Village Stained Glass > which another member (Carolyn Noel) recommended. Very nice owner named > Janice and a great artisan. Bought lots of stuff there to. > > Of course throughout my travels I preached the virtues of joining the two > glass groups. > > Only one less than friendly visit to report. A place in Yellow Springs, Ohio > called GlassStudios. Nice lady artist, beautiful work... but the male > working there (maybe her husband) was a real jerk. > > Stopped by the Dayton Art Institute and saw a larger Chihuly vase type > thing. It was about 2 feet across and had fluted edges. Interestingly in the > browns, and yellows, and all colors in-between were dark (almost black) > spots. Also saw a piece by Ruhn (I think). A large triangular piece of > crystal clear suspended by steel wires, in an twin oval cage, with what > looked like three Rubeck's cubes inside. The squares were squares. His (I > presume because the sign said He) cuts of the glass and all of the > diachloric surfaces changed colors and sparkled like fine jewels. A few > ladies were there looking at it and said "that's kind of pretty", until I > showed them how to move in a circle every so slowly around the piece and > admire the shimmering colors, reflected and refracted light. When I left > they were still ohhhhing and ahhing and saying "stand here and look > there"...... > > Well gang so much for the "What I did over the Summer" thesis. Tomorrow ... > back to work. > > BTW I noticed a few new members and some old ones that haven't as yet sent > me their bios for posting....hmmmm well I guess I will have to contact Dunn > and Bradstreet to collect. > > > > > > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 08:56:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:19:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: cogen@ll.mit.edu, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Re: hanging large pieces Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:14:19 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.141419.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/29/99 10:00:53 AM, cogen@ll.mit.edu wrote: >To the best of my knowledge solder does not bond to a paper clip. It may >appear to at first, but it will loosen in time. Tin, brass, copper, zinc, >lead, etc can be soldered with lead solder but not steel. > >I would not trust this method. I don't think I'd try it either, because (like all hard metals including steel and brass) paper clips tend to become brittle and break if you bend them too much. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 08:59:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hello EveryOne Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:04:48 +0000 Message-ID: <199906291411.OAA24042@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi, It would seem that the question to ask this year is not who will be going to GV, but who will not!!! See you there!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Barbara wrote: > Hello Bungians, > I have been away for awhile.... (did anyone miss me). But I am back now > and with a question. > I just registered for Glass Visions'99 in Allentown in Aug. Is anyone > here going? > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 09:28:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Moving my studio today Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:39:45 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.143945.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, I did that the first of June, and am still reorginizing things, and looking for things. I'm still spending time looking for the @#$%& this or that. If you can, just stop everything, and get it all done it once. My mistake was in not doing that. I got involved in new jobs right away, and as a result, its taken me twice as long to get resettled. I am a neat freak, so that to have a mess is just driving me nuts! Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 09:32:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:05:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!iluvscotties From: Scottie Lover To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns ( Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:06:55 -0400 Message-ID: <4.1.19990629110435.0093b290@pop.mindspring.com> References: <<199906291411.OAA24069@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk At 11:04 AM 6/29/99 , Toby wrote: >My disdain for pattern-cobblers like Ed Sibbett Jnr is WELL recorded! >His patterns are BANNED from my classes. >All you struggling "newbies" out there; DO NOT think it's YOUR fault >that you can't execute his patterns!! Someday, I would love to learn this exquisite art. If the most prolific pattern-providers are unreliable, how can one determine whether or not a pattern is "do-able"? Thank you very much. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Decoupage traditional/glass/3D http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/GiftsFromTheHeart cherished, heirloom gifts http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Origami origami art work http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Scherenschnitte lovely/cheap/easyPprCut http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/TriedNTrueRecipes tried-n-true fave recipes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 09:55:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: PJ Jellison To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ooh, my aching hand... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:16:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3778E361.A887E8B1@ceps.nasm.edu> Organization: Smithsonian Institution Precedence: bulk You folks are WONDERFUL. I've been away from my email for a week (flu) but eagerly devoured all your suggestions about how not to get cramped hands when soldering. The iron I've been using is a Mika 100 watt, and now I think maybe it is too heavy for me. I've never tried to solder for very long at one sitting, but I'll watch that too. Does anybody have a recommendation for a lighter iron? It also had never occurred to me that there could be more than one way of holding the darn thing. I now know I'm guilty of the "pencil grip" (and what's worse, I've always held pencils like they were trying to get away from me). So now I'm experimenting with holding it like a drumstick (to quote Christie Wood). It sure feels weird right now because I'm not used to it, but it does seem better. So again, many many thanks! You are generous folks. (And thanks also for the invite to not stay in my cave!) Guess I'll embark on another panel now. Cheers, PJ Jellison (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 10:27:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.74126.0> Precedence: bulk Another option is to cut down one side off some "U" lead channel and solder it into the seam. Do top, bottom and one side and you would get a "picture frame" which allows you to change the picture. You would need to experiment with the "height" and probably need a cardboard backer for filler. Haven't tried it but if anyone else does let us know how it goes. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 9:45 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? The main concerns would be making absolutely sure that no flux gets on the photo and that it doesn't get too much heat exposure - you'd need to sandwich the picture between 2 thin (2mm) sheets of glass and foil the sandwich as a unit with a wider foil, then use the lowest heat possible to solder it in place. Sparks ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 10:51:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re:photo deterioration was Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:17:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.4170.0> Precedence: bulk I'd do what most scrapbookers do these days--go get a good quality color copy of your precious photos and then use those in your frames, stained glass, etc. That way, you don't run the risk of ruining the only actual photo you've got. These days, with photo quality paper, you can't tell a difference. Shari > >In a message dated 6/28/99 11:41:26 PM, iluvscotties@mindspring.com wrote: > >>I had previously been told that photographs deteriorate if >>used in a similar manner (i.e., behind a pane of clear glass in the top >>central panel of a stained glass box)? Does anyone know whether or not this >>is true -- i.e., is it safe to put a photograph behind a pane of clear >>glass in the top central panel of a stained glass box? Or would that cause >>the photo to deteriorate? > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 11:09:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "David Cogen" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: hanging large pieces Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:45:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.24551.0> Precedence: bulk >>To the best of my knowledge solder does not bond to a paper clip. It may appear to at first, but it will loosen in time. Tin, brass, copper, zinc, lead, etc can be soldered with lead solder but not steel. I would not trust this method.<< Yes, yes. Paper clips are steel and do not solder. Some are plated with whatever and will solder but the joint fails in time. I have made several repairs where it appears the platting corroded and released the steel hanger. The zinc bordered panel in question is 3' X 4' as I recall. I know of no zinc border came that will hold up to this weight of hanging load. Best to now frame the panel with something like an oak border that is 1" X 1 3/4" or larger if it is to be hung. Dealers have access to the oak stock referenced. ..................... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 11:39:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'bungi'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Bad service in a shop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:54:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.85441.0> Precedence: bulk you know, i keep telling my wife that if she gets crummy service and doesn't complain, then the service must have been ok after all, and to stop complaining to me since i can't do anything about it. you'd actually be doing the shop owner a favor by telling them of their employee's actions. a nicely worded letter to the shop owner sometimes brings surprising results. an angry letter usually gets thrown out. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:50 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Dalle de Verre > > > I am so irritated everytime I think about how rude the gal > working (yeah > right..and she gets paid?) there was... > > Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 12:06:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Bungi Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns (My piggie project (a real oinker)) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:03:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.3324.0> References: <<1999Jun27.124651.0>> Precedence: bulk Steve Richard wrote: > Laura wrote about her experience of adapting a pattern from Ed Sibbett. > > I have often wondered whether these makers and publishers of patterns > have actually used the pattern to make the project. Some books are much > better than others, but almost all I have seen show evidence that some > of the patterns have not been tested in practice. Which leads me to > wonder if any have been tested. > > I think the publishers should add a warning to published pattern books > along the lines of "these patterns are ideas for stained glass projects, > but it is not known whether any or all of them are practical to create" > > It might also be interesting to extend the practice of one lamp making > book to grading the projects from easy to difficult in 5 levels. All > the patterns in this book are possible to make, and appear to have been > made before the book was published. > > My opinion of Ed Sibbett, jr.? He should try out more of his patterns > before publishing them. Are there any examples on the web of this fellow's patterns? I'd like to see some "un_do-able" patterns ... *without* paying cash money for them of course . Thanks .......... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 12:24:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Scottie Lover" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns ( Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:02:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.3215.0> Precedence: bulk >>If the most prolific pattern-providers are unreliable, how can one determine whether or not a pattern is "do-able"?<< Easy. Just check the pattern over before you buy it. People of low skill need to select patterns accordingly. Sometimes a pattern can have break lines added that do not detract from the basic design. I once found a printed pattern for sale that had an obvious overlay repair incorporated into it. Amazing! ..... Bob Ps: I sometimes make one or two "impossible" cuts in a window just to show off. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 12:42:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:07:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: pic of melt test Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:51:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.25140.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Just a pic of the melt test that I did, not real high quality, only will give some idea of what I see. The propane torch does not get the BoroFloat to full fusing temperature, only to melting/bending temperature. http://www.unitytustin.org/download/borofloatmelttest.jpg The ones on the top right, I tried wrapping with clear borofloat. All the others, I was trying to burn the coating off, since that was a major concern by members that replied to the email thread. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 12:48:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Wooden Frames Around Glass Panals (not a window) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.94027.0> Precedence: bulk Hello everyone!! I have been so busy since returning to college that I hardly have time for stained glass (or bungi), however...... I recently did a small panel that I would like to be framed (yes, the top edge is not perfectly straight, but it looks good otherwise...and is completely original) .....thing is...I have never done this (framed glass)...have not a clue how.....and can't seem to find anything on the web about doing so. The local picture frame shops keep wanting to put a 'back' on the thing and my local retailer is currently on summer vacation! Can anyone help? Thank you in advance! Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 13:22:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sorry, but this is one funny joke Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:35:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.33511.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Artists/MM LTD. Precedence: bulk Hi all, nearly lost my breakfast reading this today. Enjoy :) HOW TO GIVE A CAT A PILL 1. Pick up cat and cradle it in the crook of your left arm as if holding a baby. Position right forefinger and thumb on either side of cat's mouth and gently apply pressure to cheeks while holding pill in right hand. As cat opens mouth, pop pill into mouth. Allow cat to close mouth and swallow. 2. Retrieve pill from floor and cat from behind sofa. Cradle cat in left arm and repeat process. 3. Retrieve cat from bedroom, and throw soggy pill away. 4. Take new pill from foil wrap, cradle cat in left arm holding rear paws tightly with left hand. Force jaws open and push pill to back of mouth with right forefinger. Hold mouth shut for a count of 10. 5. Retrieve pill from goldfish bowl and cat from topof wardrobe. 6. Kneel on floor with cat wedged firmly between knees, holding front and rear paws. Ignore low growls emitted by cat. Get spouse to hold cat's head firmly with one hand while forcing wooden ruler into mouth. Drop pill down ruler and rub cat's throat vigorously. 7. Retrieve cat from curtain rail, get another pill from foil wrap. Make note to buy new ruler and repair curtains. Carefully sweep shattered figurines from hearth and set to one side for gluing later. 8. Wrap cat in large towel and get spouse to lie on cat with its head just visible from below the spouse's armpit. Put pill in end of drinking straw, force cat's mouth open with pencil and blow down drinking straw. 9. Check label to make sure pill is not harmful to humans, drink glass of water to take taste away. Apply Band-Aid to spouse's forearm and remove blood from carpet with cold water and soap. 10. Retrieve cat from neighbor's shed. Get another pill. Place cat in cupboard and close door onto neck to leave head showing. Force mouth open with dessert spoon. Flick pill down throat with elastic band. 11. Fetch screwdriver from garage and put door back on hinges. Apply cold compress to cheek and check records for date of last tetanus shot. Throw T-shirt away and fetch a new one from the bedroom. 12. Ring fire brigade to retrieve cat from tree across the street. Apologize to neighbor who crashed into fence while swerving to avoid cat. Take last pill from foil wrap. 13. Tie cat's front paws to rear paws with garden twine and bind tightly to leg of dining table. Find heavy duty pruning gloves from shed. Force cat's mouth open with small spanner. Push pill followed by a large piece of fillet steak. Hold head vertically and pour pint of water down throat to wash pill down. 14. Get spouse to drive you to emergency room; sit quietly while doctor stitches fingers and forearm and removes pill remnants from right eye. Stop by furniture shop on way home to order new table. 15. Arrange for vet to make a house call -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.stainedglassartists.com/MM_Ltd.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 13:25:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: westinghouse.com!draggj From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: 'PJ Jellison' , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Ooh, my aching hand... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:41:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.9417.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, this is a wonderful group. I use a Hakko iron.. It is light, idles at 1000 degrees, and can solder for hours without temperature lost. It is light weight and is one of the irons that has a ceramic heating element.. The model I use is the "Super Pro". It does need a 3 prong rheostat though, and I was just lucky that is what I had when I bought the iron. Take Care Gloria > ---------- > From: PJ Jellison[SMTP:jellison@ceps.nasm.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:16 AM > To: Stained Glass > Subject: Re: Ooh, my aching hand... > > You folks are WONDERFUL. I've been away from my > email for a week (flu) but eagerly devoured all your suggestions > about how not to get cramped hands when soldering. The > iron I've been using is a Mika 100 watt, and now I think > maybe it is too heavy for me. I've never tried to solder for > very long at one sitting, but I'll watch that too. Does > anybody have a recommendation for a lighter iron? > > It also had never occurred to me that there could be more > than one way of holding the darn thing. I now know I'm > guilty of the "pencil grip" (and what's worse, I've always > held pencils like they were trying to get away from me). > So now I'm experimenting with holding it like a drumstick > (to quote Christie Wood). It sure feels weird right now > because I'm not used to it, but it does seem better. > > So again, many many thanks! You are generous folks. > (And thanks also for the invite to not stay in my cave!) > > Guess I'll embark on another panel now. > > Cheers, > PJ Jellison (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 14:00:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:58:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.95830.0> Precedence: bulk The answer is experience. The more you do the better able you are to judge your ability and to spot the flaws in patterns. After a while you look at a pattern and automatically judge it's difficulty, what cuts are tough and which are blatantly impossible. (Not to mention all those other things that have been talked about here.) IMHO if you think you can do it try it. The quickest way to expand your skills is to stretch them. I've only heard of one person making it to Carnegie Hall on Chopsticks. He did a chopsticks variation that made the board of admissions to Julliard take notice. In a way it is the same with stained glass. Take the basic skills: cutting, foiling/leading and soldering and do them a little different and better than every one else. A soapbox seems to have crept under me so I'll go to my room now. (Or my 2:30 meeting.) Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Scottie Lover [mailto:iluvscotties@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:07 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns ( Someday, I would love to learn this exquisite art. If the most prolific pattern-providers are unreliable, how can one determine whether or not a pattern is "do-able"? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 14:12:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hanging large pieces Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:37:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.43721.0> References: <<1999Jun29.141419.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/29/99 10:00:53 AM, cogen@ll.mit.edu wrote: > > >To the best of my knowledge solder does not bond to a paper clip. It may > >appear to at first, but it will loosen in time. Tin, brass, copper, zinc, > >lead, etc can be soldered with lead solder but not steel. > > > >I would not trust this method. > > I don't think I'd try it either, because (like all hard metals including > steel and brass) paper clips tend to become brittle and break if you bend > them too much. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ====================================== I would like to know what everyone thinks about this...? I have been making my own O rings....with double 18 gauge galvanized wire.... It solders wonderfully if you first clean it with a platic scrubber... I hope these solders wil hold out.........:))))..........:((((((. Daniel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 14:16:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!iluvscotties From: Scottie Lover To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Where to start? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:51:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4.1.19990629145032.0094d200@pop.mindspring.com> References: <<1999Jun29.24551.0>> Precedence: bulk Can anyone please recommend any books/tools/videos/catalogues for first getting started learning this exquisite art? Thank you very much! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 14:37:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:07:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.9712.0> References: <<1999Jun29.85441.0>> Precedence: bulk Thought I should tell you all....I do plan to write a nice letter to the gallery owner. I really did enjoy her work, and really would have been interested in talking about it to someone who knew more about it. I was disapointed that didnt happen. I do believe she should know how her employee treated at least one visitor. If it were my gallery, I would want to know about it. Perhaps she would have treated me differently if I had been dressed more expensively...which we all know is a real mistake. You cant always judge a book by it's cover. I had a car salesman make that mistake once. He made a smart remark to me when I asked him a question regarding a car..."Yeah, and I suppose you're gonna pay cash!" I answered him "As a matter of fact yes, but not from you." and I bought the car from a different salesman at the same dealership. That may never happen for me again in this lifetime... :o/ T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 14:59:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "Bungi Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns (My piggie project (a real oinker)) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:47:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.114751.0> Precedence: bulk >Are there any examples on the web of this fellow's patterns? I'd like to see some >"un_do-able" patterns ... *without* paying cash money for them of course I have some of his 'patterns' coloured as computer art on my site. You can view them at http://www.cros.net/soraya/stainedglass.htm Take care, Soraya PS: They may be undoable, but they are pretty. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 15:08:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Susan Perchelli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:23:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.112337.0> References: <<8962-37784FC5-31578@postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Susan Perchelli wrote: > > Fess up Mikey...you were insinuating that the webtv box that we have is > what your were referring to as to having a hard drive. Send WebTv a > virus and see what you can do. You PC users seem so .....out there! > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't > listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:12:00 -0400 > From: Mike Savad > Organization: Mike's Stained Glass > To: J B > References: <<1999Jun28.92645.0>> > > J B wrote: > > > > Mike Savad wrote: > > > > >web tv does have a hard drive, > > > > No, not in the conventional sense.... no data is stored on the hard > > drive in the webtv box.... all data is stored at the WEBTV Server. > > > > >and you do > > >get email. and most viruses come from > > >the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of > > >a computer, > > > > NOT true.... WEBTV is an entity onto itself... it is NOT a computer, it > > is an instrument who's sole purpose is accessing the internet, and it > > does that VERY well. > > > > > and a virus should be able to > > >destroy your data just as easily... > > > > Again, NOT TRUE! One of the real advanatges of WEBTV is that it offers > > immunity from viruses. As I said before, all data is stored at the > > Server base of WEBTV, not in each person's webtv box. > > > > I've had webtv for 1 1/2 yrs and I love it. I do have a PC that I use > > for other things, but for accessing the internet, including e-mail, > > receiving and sending pictures, etc., it can't be beat (IMHO). And.... > > it never crashes! > > > > Joan > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > your mail is being stored somewhere right? it has to be stored on a > harddrive of some kind. so, no, webtv is not immune. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance > Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification > too and A Look at Sky City > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass regardless as to what web-tv says, the unit has to have a hard drive. it need a hard drive to run at least some of it's systems. and not all viruses are transmitted by mail. if you get a clickable exe file, and it releases you now have a virus. just like those japanese refridgerators, some of those have real computer's in it with a 2 gig drive. and it can just as easily catch a virus as a normal computer. though i'd hate to see the fridge crash... ERROR IN DRIVE C - FOOD IS SPOILED - NEED TO UPGRADE... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 15:08:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:11:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netins.net!sae From: Scott Evans To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:07:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.9716.0> Precedence: bulk Yep, take a good look at the pattern before trying to incorporate it. I do have several of the Sibbett books and although I haven't used anything out of them yet, they definately require thought before using. Generally, the smaller the pieces or the more convex the curves the harder it will be to do. Also, don't try a piece where the inside curves are a tighter radius than your grinder head. (learned the hard way on this one - now I have a 1/4" bit that I can put on my grinder as needed). Scott >Easy. Just check the pattern over before you buy it. People of low skill >need to select patterns accordingly. Sometimes a pattern can have break >lines added that do not detract from the basic design. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 15:26:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Soraya' , 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Wooden Frames Around Glass Panals (not a window) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:53:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.115347.0> Precedence: bulk You may want to check out Warner-Crivellaro at http://www.warner-criv.com . They carry a line of pop together frames and precut (easy assembly) frames (page 137 in their catalog). Cheaper than having it done commercially and the result looks professional. Both types are real easy and look good but my preference is the pop lock frames. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com PS This testimonial is unsolicited has not been paid for by WC. But if Mr. Warner would like to send something as a thank you it would be appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: Soraya [mailto:soraya@cros.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 1:40 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Wooden Frames Around Glass Panals (not a window) Hello everyone!! I have been so busy since returning to college that I hardly have time for stained glass (or bungi), however...... I recently did a small panel that I would like to be framed (yes, the top edge is not perfectly straight, but it looks good otherwise...and is completely original) .....thing is...I have never done this (framed glass)...have not a clue how.....and can't seem to find anything on the web about doing so. The local picture frame shops keep wanting to put a 'back' on the thing and my local retailer is currently on summer vacation! Can anyone help? Thank you in advance! Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 15:35:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:12:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Suzanne Gunn" , Subject: Re: Dalle de Verre Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.6649.0> References: <<1999Jun28.185013.0>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Glad you're back. And, How do you know that rude girl wasn't Carol Savid, or her daughter, sister, lover... (fill in as you wish)... All we know is she was RUDE. And, why not let Carol Savid know what happened, if you can, as a professional courtesy. I'm sure I'd appreciate hearing it - as a complaint or as a contribution. It's Carol's choice how she hears/uses your comments - complaint or contirbution. How say others? ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:50 PM Subject: Dalle de Verre > Question.. > > Dalle de Verre...refers to the *method of construction* of slab glass. > > Is that statement correct? > > If so.... > > then while in Taos...at the aforementioned major turn off glass gallery, > What I found most interesting was the fused glass made into some really > unique panels using the Dalle de Verre method. There were frequently up > to what looked to be about 6 layers of glass and plenty of dichro used. > Pretty cool work. Would have been pleased to meet Carol Savid, she does > some neat stuff. Just hires crummy employees. > > She used pretty sparkly blond sand with her resin? The stuff used on > the church windows I saw recently was smooth, flat, black...not sand at > all, but more like flat paint. > > I am so irritated everytime I think about how rude the gal working (yeah > right..and she gets paid?) there was... > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 15:43:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Moving my studio today Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:15:53 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Christie and Richard and all, Lightheartedly I speak,grin...and can totally understand. As of recent I've completed move #2...hopefully move #3 soon (offer in on new digs!!...solid and mine). As if that's not enough, we have gone thru the threat of the flood of '99 in my neck of the woods (lake and 2 rivers involued)...waters came up to dike and weeped in the yard...one night of sandbagging for neighbours (had our back basement door sandbagged...home of my studio at present:) Been preparing for a show and finially got a stone blasted to be sent to Japan. Richard you speak of neat freak:)...the only way to be...*organized* has been my key word...boxes marked???....you betcha:) Saddly I have to admit...I'm about to lose it and I ain't the CHAMP:) Let me go in some detail...some may find humor:) To complete said blasted piece...for MAJOR MILL in BC, CANADA...to represent them in Japan:):)YEEPEE!....I've had to *mickey mouse* the kiln and compressor with pig tailed wires all over the floor...and I not being an *electrician* could hardly put my foot over them...Not to worry *honey* ....just don't step on the double ones!!!! Next...I lost my *puck*...alot like a mouse, but I find WAY better. Cindy, not being a computer tech. decided she could install her old mouse...ya right. I did lose it all...couldn't even keyboard myself back in!! I'm now back:), but having a heck of a time handling a mouse...did I tell you guys I got small hands??? Grin and bear it!!!!! Smiles and chuckles!!! Hang in there.... Cindy:) PS...now using *ice wine* for hand blown glass painting:)...hick ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 15:53:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: PJ Jellison To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: That Cat joke Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:45:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37792E7D.C1BB29D8@ceps.nasm.edu> Organization: Smithsonian Institution Precedence: bulk Pamela, Your timing is Perfect! ROTFL! Especially after chasing down my stubborn antisocial puddy this morning to give her her pill. Guess I should be grateful I only had to go to step 6, minus the ruler -- Now tell my how she knows when I'm opening *her* pill bottle as opposed to mine! PJ (who will never be likely to do a SG portrait of this cat!) Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > > Hi all, nearly lost my breakfast reading this today. Enjoy :) > > HOW TO GIVE A CAT A PILL > < etc.> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 16:13:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!iluvscotties From: Scottie Lover To: rrk , Bungi Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:35:13 -0400 Message-ID: <4.1.19990629163349.0095c100@pop.mindspring.com> References: <<1999Jun27.124651.0>> Precedence: bulk At 01:03 PM 6/29/99 , rrk wrote: >> My opinion of Ed Sibbett, jr.? He should try out more of his patterns >> before publishing them. > >Are there any examples on the web of this fellow's patterns? I'd like to >see some "un_do-able" patterns ... *without* paying cash money for them of course . I don't know about the web, but there are usually lots of his books at any library, general bookstore, the Dover catalogue, etc. He's a VERY prolific writer. Even I -- who have not yet cut my first pane of glass -- have almost fallen over his books. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Decoupage traditional/glass/3D http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/GiftsFromTheHeart cherished, heirloom gifts http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Origami origami art work http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Scherenschnitte lovely/cheap/easyPprCut http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/TriedNTrueRecipes tried-n-true fave recipes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 16:50:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad service in a shop Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:21:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.52144.0> References: <<1999Jun29.85441.0>> Precedence: bulk "Spitzer, Charlie" wrote: > you know, i keep telling my wife that if she gets crummy service and doesn't > complain, then the service must have been ok after all, and to stop > complaining to me since i can't do anything about it. > > you'd actually be doing the shop owner a favor by telling them of their > employee's actions. a nicely worded letter to the shop owner sometimes > brings surprising results. an angry letter usually gets thrown out. One will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Its amazing how many people don't know this. (especially on the internet). Regards ......... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 16:52:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pdq.net!larsonrw From: "Ron and Wendy Larson" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: glass holder question Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.113627.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BEC24D.887398A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of a source for some kind of rack used to store glass? = I built one but have added so much glass that now I need more room and = don't feel like building more. I seem to recall having seen like a = standing file rack that had rubber tips and may have been adjustable = sections. I have hunted several hours on Internet through various = suppliers and have not had any luck. Thanks in advance.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BEC24D.887398A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know of a source for some kind of rack = used to=20 store glass? I built one but have added so much glass that now I need = more room=20 and don't feel like building more. I seem to recall having seen like a = standing=20 file rack that had rubber tips and may have been adjustable sections. I = have=20 hunted several hours on Internet through various suppliers and have not = had any=20 luck. Thanks in advance.
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BEC24D.887398A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 17:11:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Modiano, Victor" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:44:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.74456.0> Precedence: bulk When I was actively teaching lamps, I often asked my students to look at the patterns and then at the pieces that needed to be cut. As for flat patterns, there are some lamps shade books as well that have never had the shade excuted from the pattern. Easy to draw the pattern with a pencil, a lot harder to actually cut and fit the glass. I have about 25 patterns (my own) that my students used. All panels were cut with the same jig setting, just the lower edge and trim were changed to make a nice assortment of production shades. 100's of pieces in a panel lamp are not cost effective! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 17:32:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wooden Frames Around Glass Panals (not a window) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:49:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.14491.0> References: <<1999Jun29.94027.0>> Precedence: bulk It's tough doing your own frames...mitered cuts at exactly 45 degrees. But I know I've seen frames in stained glass stores. (Pop Lock?) You buy the sides in sets of two. I think the smallest is about 10 inches with one inch increments afterwards. You can put shims in the channel to make different sizes. Also Northern Hardwoods makes frames. (I have to go babysit,,will sign off now. Dorothy Soraya wrote:... > > I recently did a small panel that I would like to be framed (yes, the top > edge is not perfectly straight, but it looks good otherwise...and is > completely original) .....thing is...I have never done this (framed > glass)...have not a clue how.....and can't seem to find anything on the web > about doing so. > > .. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 18:01:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tiffany Children Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:45:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.144541.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I am reading "The "Lost" Treasures of Louis Confort Tiffany" by Hugh F. McKean, 1980. In his acknowledgements he thanks...the Tiffany family...these include three of LCT daughter's, Mary Tiffany Lusk (Mrs. Graham Lusk), Dorothy Tiffany Burlingham (Mrs. Robert Burlingham), Confort Tiffany Gilder (Mrs. Rodman Gilder), six grandchildren, Louis Lusk Platt (Mrs. Collier Platt), Louis Tiffany Lusk, Confort Parker O'Connor (Mrs. Cornelius E. O'Connor) Joy Gilder Treat (Mrs. Asher E. Treat), Helena Gilder Miller (Mrs. A. Amasa Miller) Katrina Burlingham Valenstein (Mrs. Arthur Valenstein) seven grandnephews Professor Woodbridge Bingham Hiram Bingam Alfred M. Bingham Dr. Charles T. Bingham the Rev. Brewster Bingham Mitchell Bingham and the Hon. Jonathan B. Bingham and one great grandson...Harry Platt and this was 1980!!!! It's a must have book. There is one daughter living in Maryland, where the art historian of our guild lives. I may get to meet her one day. I'll keep you posted. KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:38 PM Subject: Tiffany | I think I heard somewhere Tiffany never married and didn't have any | children. Grandchildren would be interesting?? It could have been Irving | Tiffany's grandchildren. | Linda Jo Tiffany | -----Original Message----- | From: Anna Tom | To: glass@intrastar.net | Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:01 PM | Subject: Re: stepping stones delivered | | | >I saw a fountain in a gardening catalog (smith & Hawken maybe?) made by a | >Tiffany descendant - I think it was a grandson. the bowl of the fountain | was | >blown, copper base I think. About $450. I'll see if the same fountain | shows | >up in the next flurry of catalogs. | > | >Jerri wrote: | > | >> That's great Lu Ann! I look forward to seeing the pictures! | >> | >> BTW, I thought Louis Comfort Tiffany didn't have any children (or | >> grandchildren)? Am I confused? | >> | >> Jerri | >> | >> > Well Folks, I finished the 8 stepping stones and delivered them this | >> evening. | >> > The customer was ecstatic. I did the delivering due to them being a | few | >> > days late from the date I told her and it was convenient for me . | >> > | >> > She had a beautiful beveled iris panel hanging in one window. She also | >> > stated that the tiffany lampshade sitting in a corner was by Louis | >> Tiffany's | >> > grandson. She had various other suncatchers in different windows. One | of | >> > her front windows that she pointed to was a small horizontal panel that | >> she | >> > referred to when she was talking about all of her stained | >> > glass.........HOWEVER, it wasn't glass , it was one of those | >> liquid | >> > lead, paint it on yourself kits (AHHHHHHHHH). I was so stunned that I | >> didn't | >> > say a word. I truly don't know if she didn't know the difference or | was | >> > hoping I couldn't see it well enough to notice . | >> > | >> > It was obvious that she does love stained glass and I hope that she | will | >> > continue to be a customer. She did contact me from a business card | she | >> > picked up a year ago April when I did a craft show and she stated my | >> stones | >> > were the nicest & prettiest that she had seen in this past year. I | will | >> post | >> > pics as soon as I use up the film and get them developed. | >> > | >> > Lu Ann | >> > | > | > | > | | | | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 18:44:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: That Cat joke Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:44:06 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.23446.0> Precedence: bulk For me the timing was a week late! I just finished up a two week nursing job on my number 1 kitty (Gizmo) who had an infected anal gland for the SECOND TIME IN A YEAR. Each time involved a one week stay in the hospital, weeks of being locked in a bathroom with one of those funny collars on, and a fight twice a day to get an antibiotic in her and to irrigate (with water and you know how cats adore water!) and then put on a healing cream and rub it in. I was lucky I caught it early this time - last time around it was a MONTH. Only I asked for liquid antibiotic because I knew a pill would be impossible, but even the liquid was darn near impossible and I had more on me than went in her. She now has a standing appointment every 3 months to have them emptied so I don't need to do this again. Oh, and did I mention the hospital stay costs $300 each time? Good thing I love her! Brenda Your timing is Perfect! ROTFL! Especially after chasing down my stubborn antisocial puddy this morning to give her her pill. Guess I should be grateful I only had to go to step 6, minus the ruler -- Now tell my how she knows when I'm opening *her* pill bottle as opposed to mine! PJ (who will never be likely to do a SG portrait of this cat!) Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > > Hi all, nearly lost my breakfast reading this today. Enjoy :) > > HOW TO GIVE A CAT A PILL >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 18:58:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: Kathy Mather To: PDRUSS@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:41:29 PDT Message-ID: <1999Jun29.234129.0> Precedence: bulk I would be concerned that if any flux got into the photo it would do a lot of damage as well. Just my 2 cents. Kathy >From: PDRUSS@aol.com >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:07:38 EDT > >In a message dated 6/28/99 11:41:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >iluvscotties@mindspring.com writes: > ><< Does anyone know whether or not this > is true -- i.e., is it safe to put a photograph behind a pane of clear > glass in the top central panel of a stained glass box? Or would that >cause > the photo to deteriorate? >> > > > >I imagine that the sun would fade the colors in the photo. Sunlight is the >enemy of most art work. > > >Dianne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 19:48:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:38:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: Pam@stainedglassartists.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sorry, but this is one funny joke Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:35:42 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun30.03542.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/29/99 3:23:55 PM Central Daylight Time, Pam@stainedglassartists.com writes: << HOW TO GIVE A CAT A PILL >> Thank you so much for the laugh! I was hysterical!!! As the owner of three cats I can really relate to this. As a matter of fact one time I asked the pharmacy if there was a liquid form of the medication my cat needed as I thought maybe it would be easier. There was and so I got one of those feeding syringes thinking I was going to squirt the stuff down Cody's throat and be done with it. NOT! By the time I gave up and went back to the pharmacy to return the liquid and get the pills both Cody and I had matted fur (hair in my case) from the sticky stuff , gunk all over the place and both were crying and running away from each other. What a nightmare! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 21:53:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:29:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:26:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.182657.0> References: <<1999Jun29.134439.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk You can avoid any danger of flux or washing by building a 'picture frame' top, with removable picture. Once the box is done, put in the picture, back with the right size backing. Viola, changeable picture (of the same size of course) Lee Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/28/99 11:41:26 PM, iluvscotties@mindspring.com wrote: > > >I had previously been told that photographs deteriorate if > >used in a similar manner (i.e., behind a pane of clear glass in the top > >central panel of a stained glass box)? Does anyone know whether or not this > >is true -- i.e., is it safe to put a photograph behind a pane of clear > >glass in the top central panel of a stained glass box? Or would that cause > >the photo to deteriorate? > > No more than if you kept the same photo in a regular frame on your desk at > the office, f'rinstance. Of course you want to keep it out of direct > sunlight, but modern photos hold up pretty well inder normal indoor > conditions. > > The main concerns would be making absolutely sure that no flux gets on the > photo and that it doesn't get too much heat exposure - you'd need to sandwich > the picture between 2 thin (2mm) sheets of glass and foil the sandwich as a > unit with a wider foil, then use the lowest heat possible to solder it in > place. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 22:13:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:05:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dalle de Verre Date: Tue, 29 Jun 99 08:58:09 Message-ID: <199906300304.VAA12895@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Having taken a class from Blenko, the 'color' part of the matrix is controlled by adding some loose 'roofing' topping.. candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 22:26:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Susan Perchelli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:05:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.19528.0> References: <<4087-37798787-30394@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Susan Perchelli wrote: > > Call 1-800-GOWEBTV. Talk to somebody. Now, if you'll excuse me. I will > sit back in my recliner and surf away. No more starting at a monitor and > playing with the little mouse. Ooops...forgot my popcorn! > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't > listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:23:37 -0400 > From: Mike Savad > Organization: Mike's Stained Glass > To: Susan Perchelli > References: <<8962-37784FC5-31578@postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net>> > > Susan Perchelli wrote: > > > > Fess up Mikey...you were insinuating that the webtv box that we have is > > what your were referring to as to having a hard drive. Send WebTv a > > virus and see what you can do. You PC users seem so .....out there! > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't > > listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website > > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:12:00 -0400 > > From: Mike Savad > > Organization: Mike's Stained Glass > > To: J B > > References: <<1999Jun28.92645.0>> > > > > J B wrote: > > > > > > Mike Savad wrote: > > > > > > >web tv does have a hard drive, > > > > > > No, not in the conventional sense.... no data is stored on the hard > > > drive in the webtv box.... all data is stored at the WEBTV Server. > > > > > > >and you do > > > >get email. and most viruses come from > > > >the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of > > > >a computer, > > > > > > NOT true.... WEBTV is an entity onto itself... it is NOT a computer, it > > > is an instrument who's sole purpose is accessing the internet, and it > > > does that VERY well. > > > > > > > and a virus should be able to > > > >destroy your data just as easily... > > > > > > Again, NOT TRUE! One of the real advanatges of WEBTV is that it offers > > > immunity from viruses. As I said before, all data is stored at the > > > Server base of WEBTV, not in each person's webtv box. > > > > > > I've had webtv for 1 1/2 yrs and I love it. I do have a PC that I use > > > for other things, but for accessing the internet, including e-mail, > > > receiving and sending pictures, etc., it can't be beat (IMHO). And.... > > > it never crashes! > > > > > > Joan > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > your mail is being stored somewhere right? it has to be stored on a > > harddrive of some kind. so, no, webtv is not immune. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance > > Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification > > too and A Look at Sky City > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > regardless as to what web-tv says, the unit has to have a hard drive. it > need a hard drive to run at least some of it's systems. and not all > viruses are transmitted by mail. if you get a clickable exe file, and it > releases you now have a virus. > > just like those japanese refridgerators, some of those have real > computer's in it with a 2 gig drive. and it can just as easily catch a > virus as a normal computer. though i'd hate to see the fridge crash... > ERROR IN DRIVE C - FOOD IS SPOILED - NEED TO UPGRADE... > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance > Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification > too and A Look at Sky City > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass doesn't matter to me. i have a computer. ultimitly this is another pc vs mac war.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 22:57:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:48:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: working on website Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:01:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.16133.0> Precedence: bulk The local community college where I teach part time, just gave me some space on their server. So I am gathering pictures of glass (I now wish I had taken pictures before I gave projects as presents.) My son gave me Adobe PageMill with Adobe Photoshop. I already had a scanner. So, I haven't a clue how to do this, but I am told, it is not that hard. (and then they laughed!) I am kinda excited...it feels the same as the feeling I got when I purchased my first cellular phone and talked on the phone while driving (I know, I know), or when I learned to do animation on a computer. Who would have thunk, I could do this ?! Damn, but the nineties have been full of electronic surprises! I will write after the weekend, if this thing flies...or maybe I'll write by Christmas, if it doesn't. claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jun 29 23:27:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Dalle de Verre Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:04:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.14445.0> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk > I agree. . . > > . . .you should definitely let Carol know. Perhaps > she can do something about her shabby employees > or. . .if it was Carol who was so very rude, she'll > know she should look for another day job! > > Behavior such as that should not be ignored! > > Oh! and welcome back, Tulsa Suzanne! > > Nadine > > > > ** Original Subject: Re: Dalle de Verre > > ** Original Sender: "EastGateXX@msn.com" > > ** Original Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:06:49 -0700 > > > ** Original Message follows... > > > > > Glad you're back. And, > > > > How do you know that rude girl wasn't Carol Savid, or her daughter, sister, > > lover... (fill in as you wish)... All we know is she was RUDE. > > > > And, why not let Carol Savid know what happened, if you can, as a > > professional courtesy. I'm sure I'd appreciate hearing it - as a complaint > > or as a contribution. It's Carol's choice how she hears/uses your > > comments - complaint or contirbution. > > > > > > How say others? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----From: Suzanne Gunn > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:50 PM > > Subject: Dalle de Verre > > > > > > > Question.. > > > > > > Dalle de Verre...refers to the *method of construction* of slab glass. > > > > > > Is that statement correct? > > > > > > If so.... > > > > > > then while in Taos...at the aforementioned major turn off glass gallery, > > > What I found most interesting was the fused glass made into some really > > > unique panels using the Dalle de Verre method. There were frequently up > > > to what looked to be about 6 layers of glass and plenty of dichro used. > > > Pretty cool work. Would have been pleased to meet Carol Savid, she does > > > some neat stuff. Just hires crummy employees. > > > > > > She used pretty sparkly blond sand with her resin? The stuff used on > > > the church windows I saw recently was smooth, flat, black...not sand at > > > all, but more like flat paint. > > > > > > I am so irritated everytime I think about how rude the gal working (yeah > > > right..and she gets paid?) there was... > > > > > > Tulsa Suzanne > > > -- > > > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > > > > > ----Harvey MacKay > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > > > > > www.nadinesfolly.com > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 00:23:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:13:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.191312.0> Precedence: bulk Mike Savad...you come to mind right away. What do you think of Geocities now Yahoo's new terms of service? As I understand it, they are saying that those pics of your original stained glass work is now theirs. I'm wondering how this affects your copyright on that original design of yours? Are you planning to leave Geocities behind and find a new website provider? http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html quoted from the above url... > Under its terms of service, publishers must give > Yahoo a "royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, > non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and > license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, > publish, translate, create derivative works from, > distribute, perform and display such Content" in > any form or media. Pretty scary to me. Tulsa Suzanne -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 01:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:36:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "2 Shirley's List" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Wooden frames, making of Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:31:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun29.153153.0> Precedence: bulk >>The local picture frame shops keep wanting to put a 'back' on the thing and my local retailer is currently on summer vacation! Can anyone help? Thank you in advance! Soraya<< The prefab frame stock is fine if you size your pattern to the available sizes and then build your project. Failing this the next best thing is to buy 6' lengths of oak frame stock made and sold for framing stained glass. This stock comes in three sizes that I know of and use, 1" X 1", 1" X 1 3/4" and 1" X 2 1/2". All have a grove that is 1/2" deep and 5/16" wide to receive the typical 1/2" flat H lead border came. The stock is cut to the correct length by mittering at a 45' angle and joined, often with countersunk wood screws. Frame hooks are screwed in and the panel is ready to hang. Failing that, try this. Take a stock piece of wood that MEASURES 2 3/4" wide and 3/4" thick and cut the four sides that will form a square/rectangle around your piece where the piece rests in the middle of the 2 3/4" width of your wood. Make straight cut butt joints for ease of doing. Now cut from 1" X 1/2" wood two sets of stops that are screwed/nailed/glued inside the first frame on either side of the stained glass piece. You now have a very nice but cheap and easy to do frame around your glass. Paint/stain to your hearts content. .... Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 01:27:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:26:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Modiano, Victor" Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:30:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.03039.0> References: <<1999Jun29.95830.0@?>> Precedence: bulk So, Vic, your solution is to try out as many patterns as practical and learn from that of what shouldn't be started with? Beginners would like a little guidance to start with. Do people on the list have recommendations for beginning level projects? Steve In message <1999Jun29.95830.0@?>, Modiano, Victor writes >The answer is experience. >The more you do the better able you are to judge your ability and to spot >the flaws in patterns. >After a while you look at a pattern and automatically judge it's difficulty, >what cuts are tough and which are blatantly impossible. (Not to mention all >those other things that have been talked about here.) > >IMHO if you think you can do it try it. The quickest way to expand your >skills is to stretch them. I've only heard of one person making it to >Carnegie Hall on Chopsticks. He did a chopsticks variation that made the >board of admissions to Julliard take notice. In a way it is the same with >stained glass. Take the basic skills: cutting, foiling/leading and soldering >and do them a little different and better than every one else. > >A soapbox seems to have crept under me so I'll go to my room now. (Or my >2:30 meeting.) > >Vic M. >Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scottie Lover [mailto:iluvscotties@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:07 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns ( > > Someday, I would love to learn this exquisite art. > > If the most prolific pattern-providers are unreliable, how >can one > determine whether or not a pattern is "do-able"? > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 01:45:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Scottie Lover Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns ( Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:24:38 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.02438.0> References: <<4.1.19990629110435.0093b290@pop.mindspring.com>> Precedence: bulk Are there pictures of the completed project? If not, probably the item has never been made. Steve In message <4.1.19990629110435.0093b290@pop.mindspring.com>, Scottie Lover writes >At 11:04 AM 6/29/99 , Toby wrote: >>My disdain for pattern-cobblers like Ed Sibbett Jnr is WELL recorded! >>His patterns are BANNED from my classes. >>All you struggling "newbies" out there; DO NOT think it's YOUR fault >>that you can't execute his patterns!! > >Someday, I would love to learn this exquisite art. > >If the most prolific pattern-providers are unreliable, how can one >determine whether or not a pattern is "do-able"? > >Thank you very much. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Decoupage traditional/glass/3D >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/GiftsFromTheHeart cherished, heirloom gifts >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Origami origami art work >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Scherenschnitte lovely/cheap/easyPprCut >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/TriedNTrueRecipes tried-n-true fave recipes > > > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 04:50:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:43:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany Children Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:46:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.8461.0> References: <<003001bec281$49b019c0$220f0904@oemcomputer>> Precedence: bulk Hello I have 'Lost Treasures' but must confess to having only dipped into it and ogled the pictures! It is a very good book but at the moment I'm just not reading anything! I can't seem to settle like I used to. I have a groaning shelf full of 'to be read' books! I was going to have a look for the answer to the children question but you got there first! I hope you are well and prospering. Best regards BtB > I am reading "The "Lost" Treasures of Louis Confort Tiffany" by Hugh F. > McKean, 1980. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 05:04:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Bob Duchesneau , Bungi , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hanging large pieces Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun29.195823.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Bob, is that a pic of a well used glass cutter or a worn out glass cutter :-). Just visited the gallery and enjoyed it very much. Rick --- Bob Duchesneau wrote: > >>To the best of my knowledge solder does not bond > to a paper clip. It may > appear to at first, but it will loosen in time. Tin, > brass, copper, zinc, > lead, etc can be soldered with lead solder but not > steel. > > I would not trust this method.<< > > Yes, yes. Paper clips are steel and do not solder. > Some are plated with > whatever and will solder but the joint fails in > time. I have made several > repairs where it appears the platting corroded and > released the steel > hanger. > > The zinc bordered panel in question is 3' X 4' as I > recall. I know of no > zinc border came that will hold up to this weight of > hanging load. Best to > now frame the panel with something like an oak > border that is 1" X 1 3/4" or > larger if it is to be hung. Dealers have access to > the oak stock referenced. > ..................... Bob > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 05:35:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns ( Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:40:14 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun30.114014.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/30/99 4:46:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk writes: > Are there pictures of the completed project? If not, probably the item > has never been made. > Hey Steve, I haven't gotten the ambition to go check this out yet, but I am POSITIVE one of the stained glass pattern books in my collection has pictures of the completed projects that don't match the patterns inside. What'd they do? Design the pattern, find it undoable and not correct it??? IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 06:41:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Open season on Eddie, was Re: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:41:32 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun30.124132.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/29/99 3:07:44 PM, ezcomezgo@earthlink.net writes: >> My opinion of Ed Sibbett, jr.? He should try out more of his patterns >> before publishing them. > >Are there any examples on the web of this fellow's patterns? I'd like >to see some >"un_do-able" patterns ... *without* paying cash money for them of course >. What the hey, just go to your local bookstore and browse, lookin' don't cost nuthin'. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 07:06:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: shad@mail2.nai.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Wooden Frames Around Glass Panals (not a window) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:41:15 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun30.124115.0> Precedence: bulk I've seen these frames at ACMoore Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 08:37:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Steve Richard' , 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:10:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.61034.0> Precedence: bulk My solution is to start with patterns you know you can do but don't be afraid to try something that may be beyond your current abilities. If you think you can do it try it. Most people learn from experience/mistakes. The only way to gain it is to try things you haven't done. My first "piggy project" took about a year from first cut to last. It was too difficult when first attempted but I kept coming back to it. When I bought that pattern it was to learn on. I knew it was beyond me. I also knew that I would be very frustrated and learn a lot before it was finished. It was the latter that attracted me to it. Without knowing someone's skill level it is almost impossible to say what they can and can't do. There was someone in my Intro to Stained Glass Class that could do inside curves that still scare me. She had no idea how difficult they were, she just cut them with no problems. Even our instructor was amassed. Most of us learn about inside cuts the hard way and use a lot of glass in the process. If you want specifics for the general beginner: Start with simple inside curves. More like a parenthesis "(" or ")" than the letter "C" . Try not to cut anything smaller than a quarter for your first couple of projects. Try not to have more than three pieces meet at any given point. Stick with flat glass. Save the heavy textures and ripples for latter. Let common sense be your guide. I'm sure other people can add more specifics but those are what I've given most of the people I've helped teach. Before everyone gets on my case these rules are very general and you should feel free to disregard the first four as you wish. My best advice is to find a class with a good teacher and learn all you can from them and the other students in the class. Going it alone or with just a book is the toughest way. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com PS Has anyone out there has sent any hard and fast guidelines to selecting patterns. Maybe I just miss them. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Richard [mailto:s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:31 PM To: Modiano, Victor Cc: 'bungi' Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns So, Vic, your solution is to try out as many patterns as practical and learn from that of what shouldn't be started with? Beginners would like a little guidance to start with. Do people on the list have recommendations for beginning level projects? Steve In message <1999Jun29.95830.0@?>, Modiano, Victor writes >The answer is experience. >The more you do the better able you are to judge your ability and to spot >the flaws in patterns. >After a while you look at a pattern and automatically judge it's difficulty, >what cuts are tough and which are blatantly impossible. (Not to mention all >those other things that have been talked about here.) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 09:07:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: S.G on TV Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:06:19 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun30.15619.0> Precedence: bulk Any of catch the stained glass segment last night on HGTV's "Modern Masters" series? I only saw the last half, but the artist, I think it was Ann Wolff? has a great studio, a super positive attitude, and the pieces showcased for a residential installation, were very nice indeed. HGTV is one of the few things we watch anymore, and I know that they sometimes repeat shows, This segment was imho, very positive for stained glass, as should be seen, in fact, for those of you who retail, of maintain an active showroom, it might be a great piece to record and have running (with permission, of course) Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 09:39:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Susan Perchelli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:46:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.74640.0> References: <<9974-377A1243-10@postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Susan Perchelli wrote: > > I don't see what this has to do with Mac. You were commenting on > something that you know very little, if anything, about. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't > listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:05:28 -0400 > From: Mike Savad > Organization: Mike's Stained Glass > To: Susan Perchelli > References: <<4087-37798787-30394@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net>> > > Susan Perchelli wrote: > > > > Call 1-800-GOWEBTV. Talk to somebody. Now, if you'll excuse me. I will > > sit back in my recliner and surf away. No more starting at a monitor and > > playing with the little mouse. Ooops...forgot my popcorn! > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't > > listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website > > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:23:37 -0400 > > From: Mike Savad > > Organization: Mike's Stained Glass > > To: Susan Perchelli > > References: <<8962-37784FC5-31578@postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net>> > > > > Susan Perchelli wrote: > > > > > > Fess up Mikey...you were insinuating that the webtv box that we have is > > > what your were referring to as to having a hard drive. Send WebTv a > > > virus and see what you can do. You PC users seem so .....out there! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't > > > listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Subject: Re: NG: Re: Website > > > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:12:00 -0400 > > > From: Mike Savad > > > Organization: Mike's Stained Glass > > > To: J B > > > References: <<1999Jun28.92645.0>> > > > > > > J B wrote: > > > > > > > > Mike Savad wrote: > > > > > > > > >web tv does have a hard drive, > > > > > > > > No, not in the conventional sense.... no data is stored on the hard > > > > drive in the webtv box.... all data is stored at the WEBTV Server. > > > > > > > > >and you do > > > > >get email. and most viruses come from > > > > >the mail. web tv is just a cheap version of > > > > >a computer, > > > > > > > > NOT true.... WEBTV is an entity onto itself... it is NOT a computer, it > > > > is an instrument who's sole purpose is accessing the internet, and it > > > > does that VERY well. > > > > > > > > > and a virus should be able to > > > > >destroy your data just as easily... > > > > > > > > Again, NOT TRUE! One of the real advanatges of WEBTV is that it offers > > > > immunity from viruses. As I said before, all data is stored at the > > > > Server base of WEBTV, not in each person's webtv box. > > > > > > > > I've had webtv for 1 1/2 yrs and I love it. I do have a PC that I use > > > > for other things, but for accessing the internet, including e-mail, > > > > receiving and sending pictures, etc., it can't be beat (IMHO). And.... > > > > it never crashes! > > > > > > > > Joan > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > your mail is being stored somewhere right? it has to be stored on a > > > harddrive of some kind. so, no, webtv is not immune. > > > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > > > -- > > > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > > 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance > > > Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification > > > too and A Look at Sky City > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > regardless as to what web-tv says, the unit has to have a hard drive. it > > need a hard drive to run at least some of it's systems. and not all > > viruses are transmitted by mail. if you get a clickable exe file, and it > > releases you now have a virus. > > > > just like those japanese refridgerators, some of those have real > > computer's in it with a 2 gig drive. and it can just as easily catch a > > virus as a normal computer. though i'd hate to see the fridge crash... > > ERROR IN DRIVE C - FOOD IS SPOILED - NEED TO UPGRADE... > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance > > Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification > > too and A Look at Sky City > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > doesn't matter to me. i have a computer. ultimitly this is another pc vs > mac war.... > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance > Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification > too and A Look at Sky City > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the mail is on your server, but it still has to come to your box. every server is like that. this is becoming a mac war - means that - you say web tv is great, i say it it isn't i also say mac and imac are junk too, pc rules... so there... nyeah.... :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 10:10:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:44:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.7442.0> References: <<1999Jun29.191312.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > Mike Savad...you come to mind right away. What do you think of > Geocities now Yahoo's new terms of service? > > As I understand it, they are saying that those pics of your original > stained glass work is now theirs. I'm wondering how this affects your > copyright on that original design of yours? > > Are you planning to leave Geocities behind and find a new website > provider? > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html > > quoted from the above url... > > > Under its terms of service, publishers must give > > Yahoo a "royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, > > non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and > > license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, > > publish, translate, create derivative works from, > > distribute, perform and display such Content" in > > any form or media. > > Pretty scary to me. > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > ----Harvey MacKay > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i was thinking about it. hopefully there not going to be stupid enough to do that. both yahoo and geocities will suffer. everyone will leave. the only people who will stay are people with hamster pages, or the one's that babies wrote, or even their pet wrote. geocities will become a virtual ghost town. i would hate having to leave, everyone knows where i am. i would have to resubmit it to hundreds of search engines, and homepages. i'm hoping that yahoo sent this out just to se what the public opinion is. i bet their stock is'nt going to be terribly high because of this news. the best way i can place this statement from yahoo is this: it's like someone buying your town, then kinking you out of your house, and selling all of your stuff. some people say it's a free homepage, that they can do anything they want. but now it's no longer free. if they can take everything on my website and publish it as a book they'll make the money, i won't see a thing. i've dissed some companies in there, and if that's published too, then i would get in trouble, because their not liable of the content on the pages. the only thing i would'nt mind is if they advertised my page on tv, showing the types of pages found on geocities. but it would have to eb in the same format as it is now. what they're doing is illigal, i own those copyrights and a signed e-mail, is'nt good enough. and i can't imagine them sending real letters to 10 million people... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 10:38:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Beginner patterns Was: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:37:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.43758.0> Precedence: bulk Vic M. said: > >PS Has anyone out there has sent any hard and fast guidelines to selecting >patterns. Maybe I just miss them. No--but I like yours below. I think that's a good start. I might add a couple of others (from my humble experience): Limit the number of pieces in your first few projects, if only for the sake of frustration. Be aware of patterns that attempt to cut the background into one huge piece. Adding a couple of additional cut lines may save on frustration too. Circles and ovals are harder to do well than squares and rectangles. >If you want specifics for the general beginner: > Start with simple inside curves. More like a parenthesis "(" or ")" >than the letter "C" . > Try not to cut anything smaller than a quarter for your first couple >of projects. > Try not to have more than three pieces meet at any given point. > Stick with flat glass. Save the heavy textures and ripples for >latter. > Let common sense be your guide. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 11:02:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: S.G on TV Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:37:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.23747.0> References: <<1999Jun30.15619.0>> Precedence: bulk RCall10713@cs.com wrote: > Any of catch the stained glass segment last night on HGTV's "Modern Masters" > series? I only saw the last half, but the artist, I think it was Ann Wolff? > has a great studio, a super positive attitude, and the pieces showcased for a > residential installation, were very nice indeed. HGTV is one of the few > things we watch anymore, and I know that they sometimes repeat shows, This > segment was imho, very positive for stained glass, as should be seen, in > fact, for those of you who retail, of maintain an active showroom, it might > be a great piece to record and have running (with permission, of course) Richard, I just checked HGTV's lineup through next Sunday ... we have TCI's "digital" TV ... and saw nothing for "Modern Masters". Is this the actual name of the program? Or is it a segment of another program? I don't watch HGTV as a matter of course ... Does HGTV have regular features on stained glass? Regards ...... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 11:13:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Ed Sibbet Jr. vs Plum Gulley Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.3932.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I have Ed's begginer pattern books. I find the majority of them good for beginner's. ie, his teddy bear book. And hey for $4.50 a book, it is worth it, if only a couple of patterns interest you. They always serve to motivate me. I still consider myself a beginner, I am going on my fourth year of this craft. But.....Plum Gully pattern books are horendous. I have yet to find one that is structurally sound. I think they are terribly misleading. Now if you want the pattern book that I think is the best of the lot, then it is GlassSmith Studios. There patterns are elegant and so structurally sound. And Judy Miller runs a close second. As for patterns that have stress factors built into them. If the peices are not too large(over 3"X3")then it will always work in a stepping stone!!!! Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 11:32:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: go.com!the_wright_light From: wright To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: glass show Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun30.22815.0> Precedence: bulk Hello my name is Maggie. This is my first time on E-mail and new at computers. My husband and I are going to Allentown. We will leave a week early to stop atFalling Water and the glass place in Connellsville (can't spell it but it starts with Yough). We are staying at our sons house half way between Allentown and Philly. We also plan on going to Philly to see a mosiac by Tiffany at the Curtis building. After spending Sat. at the glass show we hope to have time to stop in Corning on our way back to Michigan. My address is the_wright_light@go.com ________________________________________________________ ____ Get your Free GO Network Email address at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 11:37:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:18:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: S.G on TV Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:23:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.52336.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee To: RCall10713@cs.com Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:21 AM Subject: Re: S.G on TV >I just did a quick search of HGTVs web page to see if the glass artist >episode was going to be repeated anytime soon--it's not. But while playing >around, I ran a search on stained glass, and found an interesting little >ditty on how "broken stained glass can easily be repaired at home without >the help of a professional." > >http://www.hgtv.com/shows/DWS/dws-263.html > >And to think how much we sweat about doing repairs--apparently they're so >easy, anyone can do 'em. ;o) > >Shari > >p.s. I too love HGTV--I'm not knocking them. It is funny, however, to see >how "easy" everything is to do on those do-it-yourself shows...I know I've >been fooled a time or two... > > > >>Any of catch the stained glass segment last night on HGTV's "Modern >Masters" >>series? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 11:57:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Request for price ideas Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:26:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.32625.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, http://www.unitytustin.org/download/trianglestone.jpg The link above is to a picture of some cold glass necklaces that I am making for a women's retreat that will take place next month. I am wondering what these might be worth. They in no way compare to some of the pieces that I have seen on the member pages that I have looked at. They are a dichroic triangle with a small polished rock hanging off the bottom of the triangle. Could anyone give me a idea of what these might be worth? I figure that I got maybe a hour in cutting the glass, hour wrapping stones and glass, takes about 15 minutes each to solder, clean and wax. And here is the kicker, since the dichroic was free, I am having a hard time thinking about charging for it. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 12:41:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "2 Shirley's List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Czech End-of-day glass lamp Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.43354.0> Precedence: bulk Can anyone help this guy out! I have a few things he might be intersted in buying too. ................... Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Check it out: http://www.intrastar.net/~bud/bob/indexpage1.htm -----Original Message----- From: Dave Strout Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 6:40 AM Subject: WTB: Czech End-of-day glass lamp >All-- > >A while back at an art show, I saw a lamp made of something called >"end-of-day" glass. It was the god-awfullest ugly thing you have ever seen >-- a spikey ball of swirled orange glass on a brass base. I missed out on >buying it, but if anybody has one to part with, I'd like to get my hands on >it. > >Thanks, >dave. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 13:02:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Some of the facts : Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:46:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.44623.0> References: <<1999Jun29.191312.0>> Precedence: bulk For Mike Savaad and any others interested I frequent the NG's for Borland/Inprise products and found this URL in one of the posts there : http://come.to/boycottyahoo/ Also, there is no substitute for exact information, from Yahoo/Geocities new Terms of Service : http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 8. CONTENT SUBMITTED TO YAHOO By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you automatically grant, or warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed. You acknowledge that Yahoo does not pre-screen Content, but that Yahoo and its designees shall have the right (but not the obligation) in their sole discretion to refuse, edit, move or remove any Content that is publicly available via the Service. Without limiting the foregoing, Yahoo and its designees shall have the right to remove any Content that violates the TOS or is otherwise objectionable. You agree that you must evaluate, and bear all risks associated with, the use of any Content, including any reliance on the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of such Content. In this regard, you acknowledge that you may not rely on any Content created by Yahoo or submitted to Yahoo, including without limitation information in Yahoo! Message Boards, Yahoo! Clubs, and in all other parts of the Service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, no matter what Yahoo/Geocities claim, if you signed on at Geocities but leave within a reasonable amount of time after these new TOS, Yahoo/Geocities not only has no claim on any of your works but you could sue them if they try to promulgate your works without your written permission. That is, no matter what they claim, the works belong to you. However, the bottom line is : I'd get outta there pretty quick as this might turn out to be pretty stinky in a hurry. In the final analysis, TANSTAAFL. FYI : TCI, one of the largest cable providers and now getting into the internet biz, tried to pull a similar stunt a few months ago. One of our local (Bay Area) watchdogs with a well-regarded and highly read column in the San Jose Mercury News (the main daily newspaper for the Silicon Valley) wrote about it in the classic expose manner. The public outcry was large ... and within a couple of weeks, TCI changed their TOS to something more reasonable. I expect the same thing will happen with Yahoo. We (the internet users of the world) made em, we can break em if need be. The most amazing part is, the lawyers (note I didn't use the word attorney) will keep on wondering why everyone hates them so much. Best of luck Mike ... and any others who are in this mess. Regards .... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 13:12:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:17:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fw: S.G on TV Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:17:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199906301916.PAA07535@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > >interesting little ditty on how "broken stained glass can easily be > >repaired at home without the help of a professional." > > > >http://www.hgtv.com/shows/DWS/dws-263.html Wouldn't you know? It's a Vickie Payne video. S'funny, though. The first paragraph seems to be about replacing ordinary window glass ("remove the glass from the frame with a lead knife or a sharpened putty knife. Carefully run the knife blade around the edges of the glass to remove the caulking ... etc.") The second paragraph, though, which answers the question, "Does the stained-glass piece need re-cementing?" says, in part, "Warped pieces should be removed from the frame, re-cemented, allowed to dry flat overnight, and then returned to the frame." Huh? Oh, wait a minute! This isn't quoting Vicky Payne; it doesn't *say who wrote it, but they cite Payne's video as a resource. Obviously this wasn't written by anyone who knows anything about working with glass. Check this out: "When transporting a piece of stained glass, cover any cracks with masking tape to keep them from growing." Yeahrright. Oh, well. The writer (whoever that might be) says a couple of times that professionals should do this or that and I suspect if any homeowner tried to follow *these instructions, they'd be walking their fingers through the Yellow Pages pretty quickly. Not to worry. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 13:22:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: S.G on TV Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:59:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.65915.0> Precedence: bulk >I just checked HGTV's lineup through next Sunday ... we have TCI's "digital" TV >... and saw nothing for "Modern Masters". Is this the actual name of the >program? Or is it a segment of another program? > >I don't watch HGTV as a matter of course ... Does HGTV have regular features on >stained glass? >From the HGTV web page I learned that Modern Masters comes on only on Tuesdays (same show repeated twice that day). I could only look forward through July 27th and it isn't repeated during that time frame. No, they don't have anything regular on stained glass. Every once in awhile I will catch Vicki Payne doing something crafty on Carol Duvall's craft show (stepping stone, mosaic lamp, etc.) but that's about it. I'm sorry I missed the "Masters" program--it's nice to see them show "real" stained glass stuff. Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 13:33:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ed Sibbet Jr. vs Plum Gulley Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:02:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.725.0> Precedence: bulk >Now if you want the pattern book that I think is the best of the lot, >then it is GlassSmith Studios. There patterns are elegant and so >structurally sound. I agree Shirley--I love Glass Smith patterns, and have made a grundle of them. I wait with baited breath for their new books. Shari > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 13:54:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "EastGateXX@msn.com" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.91831.0> References: <<013a01bec309$5832d180$b358fad0@default>> Precedence: bulk And here is what another of my friends had to say about this... > >>>>>> > >With the new merger between Yahoo and Geocities, Yahoo has added a little > >phrase to their > >Terms Of Service agreement which in effect gives them all reproduction > >rights to all > >content put on a Geocities web site. This means they can resell YOUR > >artwork with no > >compensation to you. > > > >For those people having a Geocities website to show their graphic > >creations, this means > >Yahoo/Geocities now owns the copyrights to the work you struggled to > >create. For those > >with a nice family website on Geocities, this means you could see your > >families pictures > >appearing in ads for family abuse services, alcohol treatment centers, or > >any other ads > >that Yahoo/Geocities can sell the images for. > > > >The offending agreement can be found at http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >See paragraph 8 > >for their greedy grab at other's intellectual property. Suzanne "EastGateXX@msn.com" wrote: > > VERY SCARY! Although they seem to make no claim to the underlying copyright > of the artist's work, they are making a claim to the representations of said > work... that means they can do with them as they wish... including T-shirts? > including Mugs? How about books on Stained Glass Art (as seen on the > internet!)?... > > What about the modify part... They don't like the way your original piece > looks (on the Calendar of SG Art they produce and for which you get NOTHING) > so they REDESIGN it and put in some really "kewl krazy kolors" ... > > UGH... watch out... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Gunn > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:13 PM > Subject: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo > > > Mike Savad...you come to mind right away. What do you think of > > Geocities now Yahoo's new terms of service? > > > > As I understand it, they are saying that those pics of your original > > stained glass work is now theirs. I'm wondering how this affects your > > copyright on that original design of yours? > > > > Are you planning to leave Geocities behind and find a new website > > provider? > > > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html > > > > quoted from the above url... > > > > > Under its terms of service, publishers must give > > > Yahoo a "royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, > > > non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and > > > license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, > > > publish, translate, create derivative works from, > > > distribute, perform and display such Content" in > > > any form or media. > > > > Pretty scary to me. > > > > Tulsa Suzanne > > -- > > Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. > > > > ----Harvey MacKay > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 14:07:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:32:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Open season on Eddie Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:09:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.9939.0> References: <<1999Jun30.124132.0>> Precedence: bulk Personally, I like *some* of Ed's patterns (Dover pictorial collection) (Im assumming his part was adapting Dover artwork for stained glass) I have adapted parts of panels here and there from them that have been great fun to do. They are especially great for ideas for stones..at least for me. If you find an *un* doable pattern you want to *do*, make it doable for you by taking the idea you like from that pattern and making a new one that works for you. Whew, was that really one sentence? T Suz -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 14:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Open season on Eddie, was Re: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:40:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.5401.0> References: <<1999Jun30.124132.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/29/99 3:07:44 PM, ezcomezgo@earthlink.net writes: > > >> My opinion of Ed Sibbett, jr.? He should try out more of his patterns > >> before publishing them. > > > >Are there any examples on the web of this fellow's patterns? I'd like > >to see some > >"un_do-able" patterns ... *without* paying cash money for them of course > >. > > What the hey, just go to your local bookstore and browse, lookin' don't cost > nuthin'. Hey Sparks ... it costs me time ... and besides that, who has time for bookstores with all these kids soaking up the time? Actually, just wanted to look some over in a relaxed environment. I wasn't interested in making anything by Sibbet since I don't do other people's "patterns" anyway ... only my own designs. Just not interested. For me, SG is just another art form I do, like science, computer "science", music, writing ... and so on. Of those, science is the most difficult of the creative arts to actually be creative in because it takes so long to learn what has already been done, then to formulate a new and useful theory, and then prove it to the other practicioners with actual honest-to-god data ... and of course with science, any new theory has to actually be right, reflect that which is accurately. With SG (and any other "art form"), everything is "right", there are no rules or criteria except communication ... either your work expresses some emotion or idea that the audience (or viewer in the case of SG) understands ... in which case your work is "right" ... or it doesn't communicate ... in which case its "wrong". Of course its up to the artist to use language which can be understood ... Anyway .... gotta scoot ... time for dindin ... Regards .... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 14:27:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:05:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: RCall10713@cs.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: S.G on TV Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:03:49 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "S.G on TV" on Jun 30, 11:06, RCall10713@cs.com writes:] > Any of catch the stained glass segment last night on HGTV's "Modern Masters" > series? I only saw the last half, but the artist, I think it was Ann Wolff? > has a great studio, a super positive attitude, and the pieces showcased for a > residential installation, were very nice indeed. HGTV is one of the few > things we watch anymore, and I know that they sometimes repeat shows, This > segment was imho, very positive for stained glass, as should be seen, in > fact, for those of you who retail, of maintain an active showroom, it might > be a great piece to record and have running (with permission, of course) Hi there, I caught the show too! I was amazed with her work and wish they would have focused the whole show on her!! Great stuff! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 14:40:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Do-ability of published patterns (My piggie project (a real oinker)) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:23:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.5235.0> References: <<1999Jun29.114751.0>> Precedence: bulk Soraya wrote: > >Are there any examples on the web of this fellow's patterns? I'd like= to > see some > >"un_do-able" patterns ... *without* paying cash money for them of cour= se > > > I have some of his 'patterns' coloured as computer art on my site. Yo= u can > view them at http://www.cros.net/soraya/stainedglass.htm Thanks for the URL Soraya. Yep, dey is rite purty. Ya dun gud 'n colori= n' 'em up two. In terms of do-ability : On the one at http://www.cros.net/soraya/g-sg-flowers.htm I=92d say : 1 =85 The upper right hand corner piece should be modified. While this p= iece can certainly be cut with a bandsaw, a couple of lines in there splitting the= piece up wouldn=92t detract from the design much and would definitely make life= a lot easier in making this a stained glass piece. 2 =85 The topmost petal of the rightmost flower is the only other really = difficult piece (probably requires a bandsaw). Any =93extra lines=94 would ruin th= e aesthetics. Obviously I=92m not one of these old-fashioned =93purists=94= (that seem to be in the majority here on this list) about using a bandsaw . All the other pieces are (to my eyes) cuttable though I would say this particular piece is not for a beginner. In : http://www.cros.net/soraya/g-sg-demeter.htm : this piece simply cann= ot be done =93as is=94 =85 with or without a bandsaw. Notably the vines absolu= tely must be broken up into a number of smaller pieces. If done properly, such modifi= cation could actually enhance this piece in my opinion. The design pictured in http://www.cros.net/soraya/g-sg-tails.htm can be d= one as is without modification and without resorting to a bandsaw. http://www.cros.net/soraya/g-sg-crone.htm cannot be done as is =85 not in= stained glass anyway. Extensive modifications required for an actual sg piece. http://www.cros.net/soraya/g-sg-daifoidils.htm can be done with a couple = of minor mods. Seems the server for cros.net is not responding so I'll stop here. Perha= ps they forgot the second s in the name cros.net. All in all ... I'd say this fellow Sibbet might be a good "designer" depe= nding on how your tastes run, even though he's mainly an imitator and not a cre= ator. However, apparently, he's never spent much time cutting glass. Regards ................. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 15:15:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:50:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Fw: Comic relief Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.64928.0> Precedence: bulk Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 01:26 PM Subject: Fw: Comic relief > > Have you seen these? I'm deleting old e-mail and came across the > following. Barbara > > Subject: Comic relief > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 1:20 AM > > > > Stressed at all about your job? > > How bad could things possibly go wrong? Just be thankful you're not a > > marketing expert responsible for translating slogans for multi-million > dollar > > ad campaigns... > > > > > > 1. When Coors translated its slogan, "Turn it loose," into Spanish, it > was > > read as "Suffer from diarrhea". > > > > 2. Clairol introduced the "Mist Stick", a curling iron, into German only > to > > find out that "mist" is slang for manure. Not too many people had a use > for > > the "manure stick". > > > > 3. An American T-shirt maker in Miami printed shirts for the Spanish > market > > which promoted the Pope's visit. Instead of "I saw the Pope" (el > > Papa), the shirts read "I saw the potato" (la papa). > > > > 4. Pepsi's "Come alive with the Pepsi Generation" translated into "Pepsi > > brings your ancestors back from the grave", in Chinese. > > > > 5. When Gerber started selling baby food in Africa, they used the same > > packaging as in the US, with the beautiful Caucasian baby on the label. > > Later they learned that in Africa, companies routinely put pictures on > the > > label of what's inside, since most people can't read. > > > > 6. The Coca-Cola name in China was first read as "Ke-kou-ke-la", meaning > "Bite > > the wax tadpole" or "female horse stuffed with wax", depending on the > > dialect. Coke then researched 40,000 characters to find a phonetic > equivalent > > "ko-kou-ko-le", translating into "happiness in the mouth". > > > > 7. When Parker Pen marketed a ball-point pen in Mexico, its ads were > > supposed to have read, "it won't leak in your pocket and embarrass you". > > Instead, the company thought that the word "embarazar" (to impregnate) > > meant to embarrass, so the ad read: "It won't leak in your pocket and > > make you pregnant". OOPS! > > > > And my favorite... > > 8. Frank Perdue's chicken slogan, "it takes a strong man to make a > > tender chicken" was translated into Spanish as "it takes an aroused man > to > > make a chicken affectionate". > > > > > > Remember: > > "If you do not rest yourself, the universe will rest you. > > It is said that, 'the surest sign of a nervous breakdown is > > the feeling that your work is extremely important.' > > Your work is important, but not as important as your spirit." > > -Alan Cohen, I Had It All The Time ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 15:42:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi Group" Subject: Re: Ed Sibbet Jr. vs Plum Gulley Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:53:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.125329.0> Precedence: bulk I think if we look at patterns sometimes as a jumping off point and go from there. I sometimes get the idea and then go from there. I appreciate the effort that some (people that crank out design books) do with their CAD design programs and such, if only I could draw lines as steady as theirs. I have loads of books, and use them for brain food, and evenings even when I am not doing glass or computing I look through books for ideas. But I agree, when we see something we have to say especially as a beginner, is that beyond my capabilities. For sure we don't want to have the new folks get discouraged. When I started and didn't have anyone to bounce things off of, I got discouraged a lot. No I have the feeling that I WILL master that cut or that piece of glass or whatever. Linda Jo P.S. I realized very early on in my glassing that some of the stuff in the books are a figment of someones imagination and not always a person that does glass..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 16:12:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:38:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Some of the facts : Re: copyrights and Geocities/Yahoo Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.133548.0> References: <<1999Jun30.44623.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk rrk wrote: > > For Mike Savaad and any others interested > > I frequent the NG's for Borland/Inprise products and found this URL in one > of the posts there : http://come.to/boycottyahoo/ > > Also, there is no substitute for exact information, from Yahoo/Geocities new > Terms of Service : > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > 8. CONTENT SUBMITTED TO YAHOO > > By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you > automatically grant, or warrant that the owner of > such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the > royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive > and fully sublicensable right and license to use, > reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, > create derivative works from, distribute, perform > and display such Content (in whole or part) > worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works > in any form, media, or technology now known or > later developed. You acknowledge that Yahoo does > not pre-screen Content, but that Yahoo and its > designees shall have the right (but not the > obligation) in their sole discretion to refuse, > edit, move or remove any Content that is publicly > available via the Service. Without limiting the > foregoing, Yahoo and its designees shall have the > right to remove any Content that violates the TOS > or is otherwise objectionable. You agree that you > must evaluate, and bear all risks associated with, > the use of any Content, including any reliance on > the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of such > Content. In this regard, you acknowledge that you > may not rely on any Content created by Yahoo or > submitted to Yahoo, including without limitation > information in Yahoo! Message Boards, Yahoo! Clubs, > and in all other parts of the Service. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Finally, no matter what Yahoo/Geocities claim, if you signed on at Geocities > but leave within a reasonable amount of time after these new TOS, > Yahoo/Geocities not only has no claim on any of your works but you could sue > them if they try to promulgate your works without your written permission. > That is, no matter what they claim, the works belong to you. > > However, the bottom line is : I'd get outta there pretty quick as this might > turn out to be pretty stinky in a hurry. > > In the final analysis, TANSTAAFL. > > FYI : TCI, one of the largest cable providers and now getting into the > internet biz, tried to pull a similar stunt a few months ago. One of our > local (Bay Area) watchdogs with a well-regarded and highly read column in > the San Jose Mercury News (the main daily newspaper for the Silicon Valley) > wrote about it in the classic expose manner. The public outcry was large > ... and within a couple of weeks, TCI changed their TOS to something more > reasonable. I expect the same thing will happen with Yahoo. We (the > internet users of the world) made em, we can break em if need be. > > The most amazing part is, the lawyers (note I didn't use the word attorney) > will keep on wondering why everyone hates them so much. > > Best of luck Mike ... and any others who are in this mess. > > Regards .... Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ahh i was wondering how fast something like that would come about. i wonder how much, just the statements are to yahoo and geocitites.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 16:37:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: nuggets Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:49:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.134946.0> Precedence: bulk I need some advice. I want to wrap some nuggets to hank on cord for necklace(similiar to what Bud did). I have some silver foil(back and topside). Do I need to use silver solder also and what heat? I have only worked with 60-40 so far. Thanks for any advice. Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 18:47:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Rita Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: nuggets Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.16624.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Rita Tidwell >I have only worked with 60-40 so far. Thanks for any advice. Rita < Rita, I would highly recommend you use a lead-free solder if you'll be wearing this jewelry against your skin.... lead is absorbed through the skin and why press your luck? At the very least if you must use lead-containing solder, at least coat the metal on the jewelry with a clear coating such as nail polish. This advice would also apply to items like napkin holders or anything you would use near food. Now back to lurking! Hope everyone is having a marvelous summer. Can hardly wait for our week-long visit with Elisabeth! I'll have E. give you an update when she's staying with us. Best regards to all, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios "Share what you know. Learn what you don't." ~Unknown ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 19:17:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stained glass on tv Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun30.103440.0> Precedence: bulk For those of you in North Carolina, Vicki Paynes' Glass will be on Tuesdays beginning in July, around 2pm?? Check your local PBS stations. I caught the tail end on one this week, and it looks like it might be all new for 99? Barbara _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 20:49:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Open season on Eddie, was Re: Do-ability of published patterns Date: Wed, 30 Jun 99 08:16:36 Message-ID: <199907010222.UAA26991@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk to all: I love Ed Sibbert's patterns; have made them for years, with very little trouble; and I don't use a saw and only occasionally a grinder.. I must admit, that working with his patterns, I have learned to cut very well! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 21:24:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: trellis.net!72867 From: "J&RinMonroe" <72867@trellis.net> To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: wisteria, weeping willows, small piece nightmares in glass Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:58:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.115850.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, The thread on patterns is of special interest as I'm attempting to turn a picture I found into a Stained glass picture. My problem is how to deal with the tree in the picture-it's probably a weeping willow-all those little pointed pieces of glass are giving me nightmares-I'm sure the glass will get lost in solder. I haven't been able to find any pattern books that have this type of tree so I could borrow ideas on how to deal with it. Someone out there probably has some ideas-hopefully. Thanks, Roseanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 21:49:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!iluvscotties From: Scottie Lover To: "Shari Higbee" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:photo deterioration was Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:11:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4.1.19990630231033.00918e20@pop.mindspring.com> References: <<1999Jun29.4170.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:17 PM 6/29/99 , Shari Higbee wrote: >I'd do what most scrapbookers do these days--go get a good quality color >copy of your precious photos and then use those in your frames, stained >glass, etc. That way, you don't run the risk of ruining the only actual >photo you've got. These days, with photo quality paper, you can't tell a >difference. Where can one find a reputable place that makes good quality color copies of photos onto photo quality paper? I've never heard of that around here -- and it sounds as though it may be the ideal solution. Thank you VERY much. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Decoupage traditional/glass/3D http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/GiftsFromTheHeart cherished, heirloom gifts http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Origami origami art work http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Scherenschnitte lovely/cheap/easyPprCut http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/TriedNTrueRecipes tried-n-true fave recipes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 22:19:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-32438-1924 Subject: Re: nuggets Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999Jun30.143726.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-32438-1924 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Dani Greer wrote: "Share what you know. Learn what you don't." ~Unknown ------------------ The above quote is the slogan from http://www.deja.com --WebTV-Mail-32438-1924 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Frederico suggested I keep my hands where he could see them...I didn't listen. Now, me and Lefty are sharing the same prosthetic device. --WebTV-Mail-32438-1924-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jun 30 22:24:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Scottie Lover Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: photo deterioration was Re: Ordering Stained Glass Boxes? Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Jun30.191351.0> References: <<4.1.19990630231033.00918e20@pop.mindspring.com>> Precedence: bulk You can do that yourself at some Wal-marts stores here. Puts it on Kodak paper. Comes out beautifully. You can even crop etc.. If you dont have that available to you, you might try a kinkos or similar copy place...it will just cost more. Suzanne Scottie Lover wrote: > > At 12:17 PM 6/29/99 , Shari Higbee wrote: > >I'd do what most scrapbookers do these days--go get a good quality color > >copy of your precious photos and then use those in your frames, stained > >glass, etc. That way, you don't run the risk of ruining the only actual > >photo you've got. These days, with photo quality paper, you can't tell a > >difference. > > Where can one find a reputable place that makes good quality color copies > of photos onto photo quality paper? I've never heard of that around here -- > and it sounds as though it may be the ideal solution. > > Thank you VERY much. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Decoupage traditional/glass/3D > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/GiftsFromTheHeart cherished, heirloom gifts > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Origami origami art work > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Scherenschnitte lovely/cheap/easyPprCut > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/TriedNTrueRecipes tried-n-true fave recipes > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised. ----Harvey MacKay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass