From owner-glass Sat May 1 02:16:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 01:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Michele Spruill Subject: Re: drilling glass Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:28:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May1.102845.0> References: <<1999Apr30.172455.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1999Apr30.172455.0@?>, Michele Spruill writes >I've been reading everyone's responses about making a small water dam when >drilling glass. I just put a bead of cutting oil and drill through that. >The oil has enough body to stay where the drilling is. Are there any >reasons that isn't a good idea? > No reason at all. It is a very good idea. Perhaps the kind of idea that should go into the Common Ground Glass tips section! Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 02:33:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 01:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: J&RinMonroe <72867@trellis.net> Subject: Re: French crackle glass Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:10:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May1.10107.0> References: <<1999Apr29.7540.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Rosanne, In addition to the methods mentioned here, Masking tape is a good material to use over BOTH sides of the crackle glass. This keeps cement or putty from going into the "cracks" and peels off easily. Steve In message <1999Apr29.7540.0@?>, J&RinMonroe <72867@trellis.net> writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01BE9230.37A81380 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Has anyone made a leaded window using French crackle glass? What did = >you put on the glass to prevent cement from getting into the cracks when = >you cemented the lead. A friend of mine is doing a window in this and = >plans on coating the glass with rubber cement but wonders if anyone has = >a better suggestion. > >Thanks in advance, >Roseanne > >------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01BE9230.37A81380 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
Has anyone made a leaded window = >using French=20 >crackle glass?  What did you put on the glass to prevent cement = >from=20 >getting into the cracks when you cemented the lead.  A friend of = >mine is=20 >doing a window in this and plans on coating the glass with rubber cement = >but=20 >wonders if anyone has a better suggestion.
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> >------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01BE9230.37A81380-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 02:48:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 01:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kaye Sodt Subject: Re: Flux question Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:31:59 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May1.103159.0> References: <<199904301852.NAA01717@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk Kaye, I can't resist adding that tallow does not spit, does not produce toxic fumes, and cleans up really easily with warm water and soap. Tallow forever! Of course it isn't cheap. about 1.40 UK pounds per 9 inch candle stick size. Don't confuse it with modern candles, which are petroleum based, rather than fat based. Steve ] In message <199904301852.NAA01717@relay.acns.nwu.edu>, Kaye Sodt writes >The studio where I first took classes sold/recommended only the >paste--so it wasn't until I started getting catalogs that I learned >there was any other kind of flux. Being unhappy with my soldering, >I took a Saturday workshop (on soldering) at a competing studio. >She used liquid flux so I bought some. > >I have friends who use exclusively one or the other with good >results. Personally, I find that the liquid "spits" a lot, so I use it >only for lead came and change to the paste for copper foil. The >liquid is certainly easier to clean up, but maybe that's because I >tend to smear on more paste than I ought to! > >Just my $.02. > >Kaye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 07:15:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 07:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: townsqr.com!tinkerbell From: "tinkerbell" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: dumb question time Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May1.4326.0> Precedence: bulk I have been reading about the French crackle glass and have a question: What is the cement, where do you use it, why do you use it? Well, I guess this is a three in one question. Here is another one, if cementing is a part of stained glass, why didn't my instructor mention it? thanks, tinkerbell, who has hundreds more questions ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 08:18:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 07:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: tinkerbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: dumb question time Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 09:50:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May1.45056.0> References: <<1999May1.4326.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi tinkerbell... We dont use cement in the copper foil method, so if it was a copper foil class..there was no need to mention it. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 08:31:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: townsqr.com!tinkerbell From: "tinkerbell" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: dumb question time, 2 Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:58:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May1.45838.0> Precedence: bulk It was not a foil class, we did a lead, was a picture in a frame of lead. Maybe cementing is for a window? not for a project that hangs from something. Am going to start a foil class next week. thanks, tinkerbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 09:50:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: dumb question time Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:44:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May1.7444.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "tinkerbell" > What is the cement, where do you use it, why do you use it? Well, I guess this is a three in one question. Here is another one, if cementing is a part of stained glass, why didn't my instructor mention it= ?< No question is dumb. The cement is used in leaded panel work. It is not used in copper foil work. So if you were only taught copper foil, there would have been no mention of cement or putty or whiting. These are used in lead work to cement the glass firmly into the lead (or brass or zinc) channels. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 10:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 09:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not Glass Related...Life's Little Reminders Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:49:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199905011652.QAA00672@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All Hi Glenna, Thank you for sharing... Have sort of been there myself.... from different directions.... including the more painful ones.... I think that we need to remember to Live Each Day.... as if it was The Last Day we would ever have...... Tomorrow might never come.... Thank you again Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > I thought I'd pass this on to those who care. > I thought it was worth reading and pondering...enjoy! > > "My brother-in-law opened the bottom drawer of my sister's bureau and lifted > out a tissue-wrapped package. 'This,' he said, 'is not a slip. This is > lingerie.' He discarded the tissue and handed me the slip. It was > exquisite; silk, handmade and trimmed with a cobweb of lace. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 10:34:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 09:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Flux question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:49:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199905011652.QAA00681@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Steve, Yep, dead right.....however... HOW MUCH!!! You must be joking!! A stick of tallow should not cost you more than 80p. (UK Pound Sterling 0.8 for our friends Across The Pond), absolute MAX 1 pound. Again, it's something I have been requested to take with me to USA and whenever I have spare money.... I buy them 6 at a time to pack away in my weird and wonderful tool-box that I will be "nursing" on the journey. A very Happy Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (The former celebrating May-day with an out-of-door BBQ tonight, after a long walk amongst sunny 'n beautiful blue-bell country AND having heard the cuckoo for the first time this morning; 'n Toby....who not only shared it all, but was given a lovely, greasy marrowbone which he is guarding jealously at the moment. May-Day - traditionally in Sweden, is Students' Day, where the Graduates sing, march, have carnivals, crazy cabarets, celebrate and decorate old historic statues with silly ornaments and get terribly drunk and silly; dressed in their Academic gear .....IF they've passed their exams. Veteran Students (like myself) don their gear and join the young 'uns and allow themself to be silly and happy too). Spring has finally arrived!!! I have even managed to get bitten by midges last night. Hertfordshire is particularly beautiful right now....everything is growing, budding, bursting, including in my garden (except that the %*&^**=A3* slugs have been eating all my blossoming pansies!!!!). E 'n T in UK Steve Richards in Scotland wrote: > > I can't resist adding that tallow does not spit, does not produce toxic > fumes, and cleans up really easily with warm water and soap. > > Tallow forever! Of course it isn't cheap. about 1.40 UK pounds per 9 > inch candle stick size. Don't confuse it with modern candles, which > are petroleum based, rather than fat based. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 10:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: drilling glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:49:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199905011652.QAA00675@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Funny this..... I remember having a long technical discussion (about a year ago???) with Suzanne from Tulsa about how to create a "water dam" around a drill point in a piece of glass, when drilling a hole. Suzanne? Are you out there? What did I say then?? I was quite involved then into making clocks and clock faces..... for which drilling a quite accurate hole in a piece of flat sheet of glass - often quite soft and crumbly glass or - on the other end of the scale - very hard and brittle - was essential. Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK Steve Richards in Scotland wrote: > In message <1999Apr30.172455.0@?>, Michele Spruill > writes > >I've been reading everyone's responses about making a small water dam when > >drilling glass. I just put a bead of cutting oil and drill through that. > >The oil has enough body to stay where the drilling is. Are there any > >reasons that isn't a good idea? > > > No reason at all. It is a very good idea. Perhaps the kind of idea > that should go into the Common Ground Glass tips section! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 13:15:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: optonline.net!akatz1 From: "alon" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: hot glass Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 15:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May1.113953.0> Precedence: bulk I need suppliers in the NY/Long Island area. I have a torch and some tools from a class I took in lampworking. I need a stand for the torch, some hose and propane and oxygen tank. Is propane tank the same as what's used in barbeque? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 14:44:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: dumb question time, 2 Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:16:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May1.131642.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "tinkerbell" >It was not a foil class, we did a lead, was a picture in a frame of lea= d. Maybe cementing is for a window? not for a project that hangs from something.< Sounds to me that your teacher left out a part of the lesson. If it was a very, very simple suncatcher (i.e. something that could hang from a suction cup), then the cement is not usually included. But be warned...within a few ?months? ?years? even a very small leaded suncatcher made without cement will begin to sag and will eventually fall apart. It is a very common thing to do - make cheap leaded suncatchers without doing cementing. I've repaired my share of them. I personally, do not make anything in lead without cementing it. But then again, I don't make the little cheap suncatchers either. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 17:17:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Subject: Fire Sale Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May1.152418.0> Precedence: bulk I just saw this post on Warner-Crivallero's chat page and thought I would post it here in case there is someone in the area that might be interested. Linda Jo message: My name is Henry Newberg. I live at 181 Park View Drive, Milbrae, CA 94066. I am about 20 miles south of San Francisco on the peninsula. I have been doing and collecting stained glass and supplies for regular glass and hot glass for over 20 years. My wife has taken ill and I need to sell my home to raise money. I have kilns, lots of glass, lamp bases, tools and all the other related supplies. Actually it is quite a bit all told. If anyone would like to buy some of the stock of tools and materials I have, please call me at 1-650-588-2697. Thank you very much. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 17:30:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Making a living with glass Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:43:22 EDT Message-ID: <1999May1.234322.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am new to the list and very pleased to meet you all. I hope I'm not asking something that's already made the rounds, I am curious to know how those of you who make your living from glass started out and how difficult it is. I daydream of making a living from what I love best (glass) and I am definitely rethinking my current career path (social services administration) which is not what I want to continue with. I would love to hear how you did it if you'd like to share! Thanks so much, Gwyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 17:39:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: gjr@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Your letter Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May1.154517.0> Precedence: bulk I just read your letter on the death of your sister, my condolences are with you and your family.. I agree with you, time and work and things we like to do, there is not enough hours for everything.. We recently hired our widow neighbor to dust the house. This is a win situation, she needs the income, and her coming over on Mondays help us. Please hang in there, anything I can help with, leave me know, with your kindness, I feel part of the glass community, Sincerely, Gloria and George 3 Hounds ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 19:16:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 18:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #103 Jen Frisbee Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 20:44:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May1.154442.0> Precedence: bulk OK - I'll give this bio-thing a try... My name is Jen Frisbee, which you probably discerned from the email address! I'm a newbie, just starting out in stained glass. I've had a passion for glass art since I was a child, but never got the chance to study it until now. I've been drawing stained glass doodles and patterns for years - for kaleidoscopes, church windows, just about anything imaginable. My degree is in theology, and I've spent a lot of time studying church windows around the world and examining the symbolism inherent in ecclesiastical glass art. Been practicing night and day (now without my grinder!) to get a better feel for the medium. My goal at this point is to be able to sell my kaleidoscopes at a few local craft fairs and bazaars by this summer. I'm also preparing to take advanced classes to start working on larger window projects. In the future I hope to take more classes, including slumped and fused glass, and perhaps even glass blowing. My husband and I are moving to Northern California this fall (Santa Cruz/San Jose area), and I would like to pursue an apprenticeship once we get settled. My other interests include painting, photography and volunteer work. I currently work as the Development Director (think fundraiser) for an international charity based here in Boston. My husband is a professional entertainer, so I also keep busy helping him with his costuming, puppetbuilding and business affairs (in turn he is working on his first stained glass project, too). I'm putting together slides and photos of the work I have done so far, so I'll have pictures to share in a few weeks. If you ever want to talk about unusual kaleidoscope designs or church window design, feel free to email me at jenfrisbee@usa.net. Thanks for listening, and thanks for welcoming me to Bungi! You have all been wonderful so far! Jen Frisbee Newbie Extraordinaire ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 20:15:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Flux question Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 11:46:41 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May2.214641.0> References: <<1999May1.224942.0>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Brian! I use liquid flux on foil projects, but on lead projects I only use flux blocks. Way easier to clean up - in fact, because it's solid stuff and there's no run off, there's very little TO clean up. Anything left comes right off with the wire brush smoothing of the joint. Katie ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Shepherd To: Kaye Sodt ; Sent: Sunday, 2 May 1999 6:49 Subject: Re: Flux question > Hello > > I'm intrigued! I never thought of using a 'flux' as such on lead calm. I > have only ever used tallow! > > What does everyone else use? > > Best regards > > BtB > > > >The studio where I first took classes sold/recommended only the > >paste--so it wasn't until I started getting catalogs that I learned > >there was any other kind of flux. Being unhappy with my soldering, > >I took a Saturday workshop (on soldering) at a competing studio. > >She used liquid flux so I bought some. > > > >I have friends who use exclusively one or the other with good > >results. Personally, I find that the liquid "spits" a lot, so I use it > >only for lead came and change to the paste for copper foil. The > >liquid is certainly easier to clean up, but maybe that's because I > >tend to smear on more paste than I ought to! > > > >Just my $.02. > > > >Kaye > >---- > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 20:30:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Dumb question, which side first Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 11:38:15 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May2.213815.0> References: <<1999Apr30.35039.0>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk "You are not alone!" :) I tend to use the textured side as the front too, Suzanne, usually on request from the person I'm making for. When people see art glass for the first time, they just LOVE em - streakies, ripples, and the texture can sometimes add extra to natural subjects like trees or leaves. I look at the back of some glass and don't like the uniform almost plastic-y lines. Just my taste. .----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne To: Sent: Friday, 30 April 1999 23:50 Subject: Re: Dumb question, which side first > Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/30/99 1:22:50 AM, seaspray@island.net writes: > > > > >I like to get my best bead on first though so that's another reason I do the > > >front first. The back is often more difficult due to textures like ripple > > >and so on [...] > > > > Good point...... not to mention those pesky bubbles...... > > > > Sparks > > I must be the odd duck...my second side always seems to be the easiest > bead...and I use most my textures on front (unless it looks like the > backside of the glass) When I use gluechip (which I dont care for) > I use the chipped side on front. Sounds like from what I have > read...that others do just the opposite. > > T Suz > > -- > "Winning isn't always finishing first. > Sometimes winning is just finishing." > Manuel Diotte > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 20:44:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Making a living with glass Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 12:16:12 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May2.221612.0> References: <<1999May1.234322.0>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk I'm very interested in this, also! I know a lot of it is in those BIOs - though BIOs are a bit like drop bears aren't they, we hear about them much more often than we see them :-> Better shut my mouth since I haven't given one yet. But I've been looking for a traineeship or apprenticeship in sg, and the general consent around this place is - why would you want one? The advice I've been given is - you've been working in glass for a while, why not hang out your shingle and go for it! Doesn't do much for the professional image of SG artists round here. I don't want to be selling stuff to people without being absolutely sure that it's the best it can be - not just a bit better than it was in the classes I took. That's why I'm here! Apprentice of Bungi - who knows, that may just be the most renowned apprenticeship ever - special majors offered:- Doctor of Gnomon; or Tutu Repair and Restoration.??? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, 2 May 1999 9:43 Subject: Making a living with glass > Hi all, I am new to the list and very pleased to meet you all. I hope I'm > not asking something that's already made the rounds, I am curious to know how > those of you who make your living from glass started out and how difficult it > is. I daydream of making a living from what I love best (glass) and I am > definitely rethinking my current career path (social services administration) > which is not what I want to continue with. I would love to hear how you did > it if you'd like to share! Thanks so much, Gwyn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 23:16:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 22:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: pkelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio #103 Jen Frisbee Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 21:50:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May5.145025.0> References: <<1999May1.154442.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk pkelly wrote: > > OK - I'll give this bio-thing a try... > > My name is Jen Frisbee, which you probably discerned from the email address! > I'm a newbie, just starting out in stained glass. I've had a passion for > glass art since I was a child, but never got the chance to study it until > now. > > I've been drawing stained glass doodles and patterns for years - for > kaleidoscopes, church windows, just about anything imaginable. My degree is > in theology, and I've spent a lot of time studying church windows around the > world and examining the symbolism inherent in ecclesiastical glass art. > > Been practicing night and day (now without my grinder!) to get a better feel > for the medium. My goal at this point is to be able to sell my > kaleidoscopes at a few local craft fairs and bazaars by this summer. I'm > also preparing to take advanced classes to start working on larger window > projects. > > In the future I hope to take more classes, including slumped and fused > glass, and perhaps even glass blowing. My husband and I are moving to > Northern California this fall (Santa Cruz/San Jose area), and I would like > to pursue an apprenticeship once we get settled. > > My other interests include painting, photography and volunteer work. I > currently work as the Development Director (think fundraiser) for an > international charity based here in Boston. My husband is a professional > entertainer, so I also keep busy helping him with his costuming, > puppetbuilding and business affairs (in turn he is working on his first > stained glass project, too). > > I'm putting together slides and photos of the work I have done so far, so > I'll have pictures to share in a few weeks. If you ever want to talk about > unusual kaleidoscope designs or church window design, feel free to email me > at jenfrisbee@usa.net. > > Thanks for listening, and thanks for welcoming me to Bungi! You have all > been wonderful so far! > > Jen Frisbee > Newbie Extraordinaire > > Jen, you didnt include your email address:)...just Patricks....I too just moved west from Boston, two years ago...to Northern Idaho...BIIIIIGGGG change...I have heard Northern Cal is a lot like Boston tho, as is Seattle.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 1 23:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 23:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: townsqr.com!tinkerbell From: "tinkerbell" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 01:25:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May1.202526.0> Precedence: bulk My project was a 15" x 12" picture of a chicken on a nest, with an egg by the nest. There were inside curves and outside curves, and it came out looking ver nice, if I do say so myself. There were 45 pieces all together. I assumed that this was a list that could help people out, not ridicule. Of course you know the old saying, if you *assume* it makes an ass out of u and me. I suppose your first project was a window for a church, maybe 15' x 12' and you never asked a single question during this time. Guess I will go make some cheap little suncatchers now....tinkerbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 01:16:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 01:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BobDu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Making a living with glass Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:57:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May1.175745.0> Precedence: bulk >>But I've been looking for a traineeship or apprenticeship in sg, and the general consent around this place is - why would you want one? The advice I've been given is - you've been working in glass for a while, why not hang out your shingle and go for it!<< I would opt for the apprenticeship route. Not that I went that way but it has the potential to save a lot of time and grief. Working with one or, better yet, several successful people simply has to be of benefit. Working under several different people gives one the opportunity to pick and choose what they want to do. Now for the question of making a living with glass. Sure it is possible and many people do. One thing that has helped me is to provide service that the client desires. So, rather than specialize I do a broad range of stained glass and related work. Some studios will not do repairs. If I did not do repairs there would be months when there would be no profit to be considered wages. If someone wants a special suncatcher and is willing to pay a reasonable price then I am their man. There is no job to small and sometimes a small job leads to a bigger one. Is your stained glass falling apart? Come see me and I will gladly put it in a secure oak frame for money in return. Do you need some custom beveling? If the job is small I will do it while you wait. And, yes, make my cash register ring. Need some glass bent? I'll fire it tonight if the appropiate kiln is not already in use. Otherwise wait your turn. Do you make fake Aztec axe heads and need the tool marks removed? My sandblaster is available for in studio rent. So, you see, I get income from many areas of stained glass and related areas. I have lots of tools and just about every one has returned me several times the purchase price. Many of my tools were purchased in front of jobs that would return a substantial portion of their cost. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 02:18:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 01:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: hot glass Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 04:06:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May2.0616.0> Precedence: bulk I took a beadmaking class in March, so I'm not very experienced with it, but I have a propane tank with a hose and a hothead. The same kind of tank that's on our gas grill. I've found it works great with Moretti, but I have trouble with, what I think is having too much propane with the Bullseye glass rods. They frequently turn grey. The Bullseye white is the worst. Thermal shocks and discolors. Right now, I prefer Moretti. If I ever get a nice setup, maybe I'll try more with the Bullseye. Jerri > I need suppliers in the NY/Long Island area. I have a torch and > some tools from a class I took in lampworking. I need a stand > for the torch, some hose and propane and oxygen tank. Is > propane tank the same as what's used in barbeque? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 02:34:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 01:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: tinkerbell Subject: Re: dumb question time Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 09:51:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May2.105141.0> References: <<1999May1.4326.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Tinkerbell, I see you have had a number of replies, but not all your questions appear to have been addressed. So I'll try too. In message <1999May1.4326.0@?>, tinkerbell writes >I have been reading about the French crackle glass and have a question: > What is the cement, Cement is whiting, linseed oil, and black colourant, with white spirit (turpentine substitute) as an additional thinner. It is mixed to a thick molasses consistency. >where do you use it, It is brushed under the leads to make the panel/window/whatever weather tight. It also provides additional stiffening as it hardens and sharpens up the lead lines in the panel. >why do you use it? In addition to the above. It is quicker than pushing putty under the leaves of the came, the colour from the cement is pulled over the leads and solder joints in finishing the panel with brushes (first the stiff cement brushes, then at the end soft brushes (like shoe polishing brushes)). >Well, I guess this is a three in one question. Here is another one, if >cementing is a part of stained glass, why didn't my instructor mention it? Who knows. Perhaps S/he might be asked. It seems, many USofA instructors prefer the copper foil method as a starting point, and so don't find finishing leaded panels so easy. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 02:48:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 02:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: "tinkerbell" ,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 09:58:58 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990502095858.007ab4e0@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1999May1.202526.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Tinkerbell, please dont take that comment personally. The writer I am sure wasnt trying to belittle you at all. From your posting she couldnt tell what kind of project you were talking about - as you describe it your panel was probably framed securely so the lack of cementing might not prove a problem. As an experienced lead worker she was probably unable to conceal her alarm that a teacher would have allowed anything but a little suncatcher be finished without being properly cemented. If she was getting at anyone it was not you but your teacher!! It is usually only "little suncatchers" made using lead rather than copper foil/solder that are left uncemented because the maker is trying to produce a cheap product to sell at fairs etc and one way of keeping production costs down would be to (a) make them from lead - a quicker method than foiling and soldering, and then (b) omit the cementing stage. In my experience a similar project made using the copper foil system is far easier to make strong enough to last for years without eventually pulling apart. Like her we have been called upon to mend many inexpensively and quickly made (I wont use the word"cheap" because of the implied insult here) suncatchers that have either started to pull apart and look unsightly or - worse - dropped on the floor and broken much of the glass, so I understand where she is coming from. Unfortunately these items usually cost more to repair that they did to buy. So to sum up - dont take umbrage at her response and remember with emails it is impossible to see the expression on the face of the writer, so comments often come over as more strongly meant then intended Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk At 01:25 02/05/99 -0500, you wrote: >My project was a 15" x 12" picture of a chicken on a nest, with an egg by >the nest. There were inside curves and outside curves, and it came out >looking ver nice, if I do say so myself. There were 45 pieces all together. > >I assumed that this was a list that could help people out, not ridicule. >Of course you know the old saying, if you *assume* it makes an ass out of u >and me. I suppose your first project was a window for a church, maybe 15' x >12' >and you never asked a single question during this time. > >Guess I will go make some cheap little suncatchers now....tinkerbell > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 07:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 06:43:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: Shay Friel To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tiffany Chapel Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 09:44:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May2.54420.0> Precedence: bulk There is a wonderful article in today's Orlando Sentinel about the restoration of the Tiffany Chapel , which is now housed in the Morse Museum here in Winter Park, Florida. It can be found at: www.orlanosentinel.com They have included a slide show and pictures of Tiffany windows that can be downloaded as windows wallpaper. It is a four part article and will be online each day. The McKeans paid only $10,000 for everything they could salvage from Tiffany's burned down mansion in the late 1950's!!!! We should be so lucky! Shay Friel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 09:24:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1901961713-851 Subject: Re: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 08:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May2.11922.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1901961713-851 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Well, I like making the "cheap" suncatchers along with the "cheesy" fairies. My friends and family enjoy them too. Sue --WebTV-Mail-1901961713-851 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language together. --WebTV-Mail-1901961713-851 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 1 May 1999 23:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id AAA22806; Sun, 2 May 1999 00:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 May 1999 23:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: townsqr.com!tinkerbell From: "tinkerbell" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 01:25:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May1.202526.0> Precedence: bulk My project was a 15" x 12" picture of a chicken on a nest, with an egg by the nest. There were inside curves and outside curves, and it came out looking ver nice, if I do say so myself. There were 45 pieces all together. I assumed that this was a list that could help people out, not ridicule. Of course you know the old saying, if you *assume* it makes an ass out of u and me. I suppose your first project was a window for a church, maybe 15' x 12' and you never asked a single question during this time. Guess I will go make some cheap little suncatchers now....tinkerbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-1901961713-851-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 09:59:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 12:31:19 EDT Message-ID: <1999May2.163119.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/2/99 12:25:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Perchelli@webtv.net writes: << Well, I like making the "cheap" suncatchers along with the "cheesy" fairies. My friends and family enjoy them too. Sue >> I like making small things over big things anyway. I don't have the patience to sit for weeks/months on one project. :) Most of my things are gifts for friends. My teacher never told me about cementing either. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 10:59:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: m321.com!sakkg From: "Tina" To: bigprofits28@m321.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: GROW YOUR BUSINESS 30-50% INSTANTLY! Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:27:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199905021654.RAA23559@abcol-netra.abcol.ac.uk> Precedence: bulk START ACCEPTING CREDIT CARDS & WATCH YOUR PRO=46ITS INCREASE 30-50%! 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CALL 1-888-264-9272 (BUSINESS HOURS: 9AM -6PM MST) Remove at: mailto:takd@foodmail.com?subject=3Dremove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 11:17:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:07:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: Tinkerbell@townsqr.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_701da25d.245ddfe4_boundary" Subject: Fwd: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 13:05:40 EDT Message-ID: <1999May2.17540.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_701da25d.245ddfe4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/2/99 5:48:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, studio@stainedglass.co.uk writes: << Hello Tinkerbell, please dont take that comment personally. The writer I am sure wasnt trying to belittle you at all. From your posting she couldnt tell what kind of project you were talking about - as you describe it your panel was probably framed securely so the lack of cementing might not prove a problem. As an experienced lead worker she was probably unable to conceal her alarm that a teacher would have allowed anything but a little suncatcher be finished without being properly cemented. If she was getting at anyone it was not you but your teacher!! >> Hi Tinkerbell, I have to agree with EliZabeth in Bournemouth on this one. Cementing is an integral part of the lead process, and even if the class was behind and unable to get to completion of all projects, at least the method and materials should have been provided to you for your project. It is obviously large enough (and intricate enough at 45 pieces) to warrant a good finishing and preserving. I do hope you take the earlier comments as they were intended: surprise toward the teacher who omitted this important step. This should in no way reflect on your project or your craftsmanship. Having taught classes many years ago (one of the few in the area who began with lead instead of copper foil methods), I would invariably have some students at the end of the session with projects not yet completed. But they all went away with a list of steps and materials, and knew they weren't really done until final cementing and clean-up/polishing were completed. Just my 2c. (I've always wanted to add that!) Ann --part1_701da25d.245ddfe4_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc05.mail.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sun, 02 May 1999 05:48:37 2000 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-yc05.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id FAA16362; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 02:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: "tinkerbell" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 09:58:58 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990502095858.007ab4e0@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1999May1.202526.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Tinkerbell, please dont take that comment personally. The writer I am sure wasnt trying to belittle you at all. From your posting she couldnt tell what kind of project you were talking about - as you describe it your panel was probably framed securely so the lack of cementing might not prove a problem. As an experienced lead worker she was probably unable to conceal her alarm that a teacher would have allowed anything but a little suncatcher be finished without being properly cemented. If she was getting at anyone it was not you but your teacher!! It is usually only "little suncatchers" made using lead rather than copper foil/solder that are left uncemented because the maker is trying to produce a cheap product to sell at fairs etc and one way of keeping production costs down would be to (a) make them from lead - a quicker method than foiling and soldering, and then (b) omit the cementing stage. In my experience a similar project made using the copper foil system is far easier to make strong enough to last for years without eventually pulling apart. Like her we have been called upon to mend many inexpensively and quickly made (I wont use the word"cheap" because of the implied insult here) suncatchers that have either started to pull apart and look unsightly or - worse - dropped on the floor and broken much of the glass, so I understand where she is coming from. Unfortunately these items usually cost more to repair that they did to buy. So to sum up - dont take umbrage at her response and remember with emails it is impossible to see the expression on the face of the writer, so comments often come over as more strongly meant then intended Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk At 01:25 02/05/99 -0500, you wrote: >My project was a 15" x 12" picture of a chicken on a nest, with an egg by >the nest. There were inside curves and outside curves, and it came out >looking ver nice, if I do say so myself. There were 45 pieces all together. > >I assumed that this was a list that could help people out, not ridicule. >Of course you know the old saying, if you *assume* it makes an ass out of u >and me. I suppose your first project was a window for a church, maybe 15' x >12' >and you never asked a single question during this time. > >Guess I will go make some cheap little suncatchers now....tinkerbell > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part1_701da25d.245ddfe4_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 11:31:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 09:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Making a living with glass Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 12:46:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May2.84634.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Gloyn@aol.com >Hi all, I am new to the list and very pleased to meet you all. I hope I= 'm not asking something that's already made the rounds, I am curious to know= how = those of you who make your living from glass started out and how difficul= t it = is. I daydream of making a living from what I love best (glass) and I am= = definitely rethinking my current career path (social services administration) = which is not what I want to continue with. I would love to hear how you did = it if you'd like to share!< Hi Gwyn. Glad to have you on the list. Listen, I'm really busy right now (being as I am a professional stained glass person who is the sole proprietor of a studio), but if you have specific questions I would be happy to answer them. I'm into my 4th professional year in stained glass, after spending 20 in the computer software development business prior to this. Make sure you work up a business plan before you go any further. This will help guide your thoughts. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 11:52:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 09:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 12:46:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May2.84640.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "tinkerbell" >I assumed that this was a list that could help people out, not ridicule.= Of course you know the old saying, if you *assume* it makes an ass out of= u and me. I suppose your first project was a window for a church, maybe 15'= x 12' and you never asked a single question during this time. Guess I will go make some cheap little suncatchers now....tinkerbell< I didn't mean to imply any ridicule about your questions concerning cement or no cement on projects. Since you didn't tell us about the size of your project until now, I was in the dark about what type of project your teacher would be having you do without cementing the lead. The only lead projects I've ever seen done without cement are the cheap little suncatchers. I've never seen a lead project of the size of yours which was not cemented. As I stated in MY reply to YOUR question, it seems that your teacher left out a step in telling you how to construct a leaded project - that step being the cementing step. And that is a great disservice to you, since I'm sure you only want to create leaded glass pieces that are going to last and not fall apart. As to me never asking a question...geez I was just trying to help you out. Back off please. And BTW, my first project was not a large church window. In fact, I don't do church work. My first project was an 8" x10= " copper foil panel. Pretty basic. The rest is self-taught with a lot of bungi reading and reading of magazines like IGGA's "Common Ground: GLASS", and taking courses. I've been on bungi for the last 3 years and try to help out with answers to questions. Occassionally I've been known to ask for help myself. I've been doing stained glass work as my primary profession for the past 4 years. And bungi is always a learning experience, if you let it be. Just remember that on email we can't see each other's body language or anything like that, so it's easy to read something into a message that wasn't ever intended. Take things with a grain of salt, tinkerbell.= Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 12:07:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 13:30:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May2.93011.0> References: <<1999May2.163119.0>> Precedence: bulk I don't think the it was ever said that "all suncatchers" were cheap...just that "some suncatchers" do fall apart after awhile due to bad workmanship and lack of cement......(I'm not even sure when the Faeries snuck in!! lol)......and I never saw it implied that your work fell into the latter category. E-mail communication is a fine art just as stained glass....it is prone to miscommunication and other problems but it is my working rule for the many years I have been on line...that I always assume the best of intent until proven otherwise. (It works for me...your mileage may vary!). I am not much more than a beginner in glass work myself, but will admit that my teacher did drum it in to me that all lead came should be cemented for a variety of reasons.....from the cosmetic (to patina the came) to structural....to provide weatherproofing.....and even in small panels (such as the 8 x 14 panel I just completed) to keep the glass from rattling and for strength if it drops. I do not know why your teacher did not mention this to you....especially if any in your class ever planned to do a window for their home...but I would certainly ask him/her why it wasn't. Take Care, Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 12:15:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:33:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: soldering irons info please.... Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 13:34:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May2.93421.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have been using a Weller 80 that I recieved with my basic start up kit with a seperate heat control. I have heard several Bungi members tell of irons that give better results. What would be a good one to get.....I want something that will last.What is the advantage of having an iron with built in controls. Thanks, Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 12:31:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: chitchay@worldnet.att.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tiffany Chapel Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 13:36:31 EDT Message-ID: <1999May2.173631.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/2/99 10:45:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chitchay@worldnet.att.net writes: Try this corrected website....fascinating article regarding Tiffany. Thanks for passing it on. << www.orlandosentinel.com >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 15:28:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:24:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:22:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May2.132253.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Christie A. Wood" >As to me never asking a question...geez I was just trying to help you out. Back off please. < Bungi has lost a lot of good, knowledgeable commentators over the years because of some rather insulting responses to professional replies. Just a word of advice.... when someone is giving you their time and advice for nothing, just say "thank you" whether you take the advice or not. It's good manners. = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 15:40:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: great glass book on ebay Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:25:19 EDT Message-ID: <1999May2.212519.0> Precedence: bulk I'm always checking ebay for certain books and found this one, I hope no one is offended by me posting this: A while back we talked about a book called "James Hubbell's Palace Doors of of Abu Dhabi" by Otto B. Rigan. It's for sell on ebay now. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=96694516 It's a wonderful book (but small book), I have a copy in my library. It is what got me started in stained glass. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 17:57:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: great glass book on ebay Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:30:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May2.143028.0> References: <<1999May2.212519.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Dianne. The book looks wonderful and I've placed a bid. I just signed up to take my first beginner class yesterday. Mary Lou -----Original Message----- From: PDRUSS@aol.com [mailto:PDRUSS@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 1999 16:25 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: great glass book on ebay I'm always checking ebay for certain books and found this one, I hope no one is offended by me posting this: A while back we talked about a book called "James Hubbell's Palace Doors of of Abu Dhabi" by Otto B. Rigan. It's for sell on ebay now. It's a wonderful book (but small book), I have a copy in my library. It is what got me started in stained glass. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 18:29:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Thanks..... Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:43:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May2.164354.0> Precedence: bulk Good to hear from you Dani...I know it hasn't been that long, but I for one miss, your advice and I'm new to Bungi,not that I would speak for others but I think others do too. Take care,Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 2 23:28:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 May 1999 22:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bio #103 Jen Frisbee Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:44:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990502224412.0094a8e0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999May1.154442.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:50 PM 5/5/99 -0700, Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: >Jen Frisbee wrote: >> >> >> In the future I hope to take more classes, including slumped and fused >> glass, and perhaps even glass blowing. My husband and I are moving to >> Northern California this fall (Santa Cruz/San Jose area), and I would like >> to pursue an apprenticeship once we get settled. >> > >I have heard Northern Cal is a lot like >Boston tho, as is Seattle.... > >Liz Good news, Jen...the drivers in Northern California are *nothing* like the drivers in Boston. When two lanes converge into one out here, cars do a perfect shuffle. Occasionally, the drivers even look at each other and smile! Welcome in advance! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 01:32:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 01:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: NG Colorado - something nice Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:01:59 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May4.4159.0> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559368304-bb8 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 07:55:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 06:11:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: News from Jacques Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:09:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May3.5949.0> Precedence: bulk I did think I'd pass along the full story from Jacques over on the Continent... First of all, he's quite into a Carmen Miranda phase. As you know, he's known for his blown glass grapes. Well lately. he's been doing full fruit bowls. First he blows the bowl, then commences the fruit. Watching him blow a banana is an incredible sight (please construe nothing Freudian about that remark. Jacques' ego is already entirely too large.) After annealing, the fruits are arranged just so in the bowl so that the colors harmonize. Anyway, he's been traveling with a small exhibit of fruit bowls and he swears he keeps seeing the same woman in cities all over Europe. A pale woman, he says, as if she was Scandinavian or living in England. (of course, he did do exhibits in Denmark and Finland, so there were perhaps several pale women to be seen.) He thought perhaps this woman wished to speak to him (but Jacques thinks all women want to ...speak to him), but she never did. He hasn't seen her lately and he's desolate. He wonders if he should have spoken to her. He wonders about missed opportunities and romances that never were (I think he's seen that Gweneth Paltrow movie "Sliding Doors" a few too many times.) And Elisabeth said she had a cold during this period of time...one can only conjecture, although basing conjecture on Jacques' flights of fancy is as difficult as finding a train that runs on time. <<> Au revoir. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 08:11:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 06:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: putty recipe Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 06:43:28 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > >Thanks Bob! >I do have some lamp black also, but will see how white this putty gets. >I like the idea of building your own too:) Especially when you realize there isn't enough left in the can from the last time. >Cindy...think I'll label it Bob's recipe! > >>Yes, paint thinner (mineral spirits) works well. I also add a small >>amount of lamp black if I want to get the cames dark. Bob >> >>Ps: Mineral sprits also comes in odorless for about four times the >>cost of regular thinner. You do not use much and so the odorless may >>be worth it if you have a need. >> >>Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 >>Think glass: have class. >> >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 08:25:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 07:36:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bio #103 Jen Frisbee Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 07:34:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990503073431.00964670@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999May1.154442.0>> Precedence: bulk I know...I have a sister in the area. After my first (and only) stint on the roads there I was convinced there must be a huge parking lot where all the tourists end up and can't find their way back out! At 08:50 AM 5/3/99 -0400, Family Account wrote: >But you know Stever, the drivers in Boston are a lot more frustrated, since every >road in Boston is one way and it NEVER goes in the direction you want (which is >why I take the T when I visit Boston). >Dorothy > >Steve Wernecke wrote: > >> >Liz >> >> Good news, Jen...the drivers in Northern California are *nothing* like the >> drivers in Boston. When two lanes converge into one out here, cars do a >> perfect shuffle. Occasionally, the drivers even look at each other and smile! >> >> Welcome in advance! >> >> Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 08:46:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 07:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re;putty...opps Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:57:33 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Sorry guys, Meant to sent this message to another line, but being that it's *Monday* I goofed:) Bob had given a recipe for linseed oil putty awhile back and I'm off to try it! Cindy:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 09:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio #103 Jen Frisbee Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 08:56:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May7.15656.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990502224412.0094a8e0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > Good news, Jen...the drivers in Northern California are *nothing* like the > drivers in Boston. When two lanes converge into one out here, cars do a > perfect shuffle. Occasionally, the drivers even look at each other an oh yeah, I almost FORGOT about those Boston drivers..altho I still catch myself forcing myself into traffic, elbowing other vehicles out of the way with my truck....not very polite things to do in Idaho but neccessities of life to survive driving in Boston... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 11:56:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 11:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!SAHigbee1 From: SAHigbee1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Cementing Lead Panels Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:19:43 EDT Message-ID: <1999May3.181943.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. I just finished a lead class and have a few questions for this imminent panel of experts. The teacher (who has done glass for 25+ years and owns his own studio) says they used to mix their own putty/cement, but now use the stuff that comes pre-mixed in the white tubs (brand name escapes me). Question #1: this stuff is pretty thick. Seems like I've read where some of you use more of a liquid mix. Is one easier/better than the other? Question #2: Bob, in your cement recipe, you call for Plaster of Paris. The teach said they used portland cement. Could one be substituted for the other if I mix my own? (I have a 98 lb. bag of p.c. that will last my lifetime and my children's lifetime...) Question #3: tell me about cleaning up rippled glass... is there a secret I don't know about? I used a beautiful ripple on my border this weekend, and spent most of yesterday cleaning out the ripples with a razor blade and every other sharp little object I could find... Does it clean out easier after it dries, or is that worse? Question #4: how long does it take to really dry hard? I thought it took 24 hours, but it was still soft and gooey the next day. Thanks again for your input. Shari in SLC (p.s. my first glass class 3 yrs ago covered both copper foil and lead--we made a cheesy little lead panel with no mention of cement...) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 13:50:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 11:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BobDu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Steve Wernecke" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio #103 Jen Frisbee Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:23:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May3.4237.0> Precedence: bulk >>Good news, Jen...the drivers in Northern California are *nothing* like the drivers in Boston. When two lanes converge into one out here, cars do a perfect shuffle. Occasionally, the drivers even look at each other and smile! Welcome in advance! Steve<< Please note that this refers to northern CA. Reminds me of the cartoon where the LA driver hands a six shooter to his passanger and says, "Cover me while I change lanes." Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 14:08:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:31:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199905031923.PAA02435@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Question #2: Bob, in your cement recipe, you call for Plaster of > Paris. The teach said they used portland cement. Portland cement in putty is a very large no-no. It makes repairing and restoring leaded windows extremely difficult and leads to (or can lead to) damage to the glass. See Sloan, J.L., "Conservation of Stained Glass in America" (Art in Architecture Press, 1995). http://www.aiap.com/ This has been much discussed here on bungi, but obviously not everyone is on bungi (ack! that'd mean 40 bajillion messages a day!), so pass the word along to your teacher when you get the chance. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 16:08:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BobDu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Shirley's List" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:46:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May3.84617.0> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: SAHigbee1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 1:46 PM Subject: Cementing Lead Panels >Hi all. I just finished a lead class and have a few questions for this >imminent panel of experts. The teacher (who has done glass for 25+ years and >owns his own studio) says they used to mix their own putty/cement, but now >use the stuff that comes pre-mixed in the white tubs (brand name escapes me). > >Question #1: this stuff is pretty thick. Seems like I've read where some of >you use more of a liquid mix. Is one easier/better than the other? I like my putty a bit looser than it comes in cans. Think that this allows the putty to penetrate to the heart of the came and completly fill any voids. I suspect that the canners of putty put out the stiff stuff knowing that it may be thinned by the end user. > >Question #2: Bob, in your cement recipe, you call for Plaster of Paris. The >teach said they used portland cement. Could one be substituted for the other >if I mix my own? (I have a 98 lb. bag of p.c. that will last my lifetime and >my children's lifetime...) Of all my sins, I have never used Portland cement. It is said to attack the glass and it sure does not allow for easy repair. NEVER USE PORTLAND CEMENT IN PUTTY. I do use plaster of paris in a mixture of about 1 to 3 parts whitting (calcium carbionate). Some will say that palster of paris does not belong in putty but it works well for me. > >Question #3: tell me about cleaning up rippled glass... is there a secret I >don't know about? I used a beautiful ripple on my border this weekend, and >spent most of yesterday cleaning out the ripples with a razor blade and every >other sharp little object I could find... Does it clean out easier after it >dries, or is that worse? Whenever I go to a Chinese restraunt I save the wooden chopsticks, sharpen in a pencil sharpener and use to run excess putty off the edge of cames, after cleaning by brushing with whitting and before the putty has hardened all in the same hour just as this is one sentence. Trying to clean up excess putty the next day is just to hard for me. > >Question #4: how long does it take to really dry hard? I thought it took 24 >hours, but it was still soft and gooey the next day. It depends on your ratio of boiled linseed oil to turpentine or whatever your rapid volitle component is and the weather. Four days is sometimes given as a figure. In hot weather with low hummidity one day may be enough. To really dry hard takes longer. When I am in a hurry I raise the panel about an inch with wood slats to let the air circulate on both sides. I like to mix my own putty because it allows me to control the thickness, setting time and color. I also like the idea of never having to open a can of putty that has dried out and is of unknown components. That I mix my own for pennies on the dollar also warms my heart. Bob > >Thanks again for your input. > >Shari in SLC > >(p.s. my first glass class 3 yrs ago covered both copper foil and lead--we >made a cheesy little lead panel with no mention of cement...) >---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 16:29:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: evcom.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tiffany in Orlando Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:50:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May3.115011.0> Precedence: bulk The Morse Museum in Orlando (Winter Park) recently opened a new wing containing the restoration of Louis Comfort Tiffany's Chapel designed for the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. You can read the story and see photo's of the reconstruction and even copy some wallpaper for your computer desktop. Well worth the visit but don't delay as I don't know how long the story will be available. The story is in 4 parts and the first part is available now. Herb in Orlando ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 17:41:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: evcom.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tiffany Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:45:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May3.124521.0> Precedence: bulk Forgot to give the URL for the story on Tiffany. http://www.orlandosentinel.com Herb in Orlando ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 18:00:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:08:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999May4.0820.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/3/99 7:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BobDu@prodigy.net writes: > >other sharp little object I could find... Does it clean out easier > after it > >dries, or is that worse? > > Whenever I go to a Chinese restraunt I save the wooden chopsticks, > sharpen in a pencil sharpener and use to run excess putty off the edge > of cames, after cleaning by brushing with whitting and before the > putty has hardened all in the same hour just as this is one sentence. > Trying to clean up excess putty the next day is just to hard for me. > You can also go to the drug store and get the "orange sticks" that are used for manicures. They are perfect for the job. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 19:45:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels Date: Mon, 03 May 99 18:37:14 Message-ID: <199905040138.TAA15080@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk My favorite is wooden dowel.. you can get it in just about any width and either sharpen it by hand or in a pencil sharpener! Candy On Mon, 3 May 1999 20:08:20 EDT, CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/3/99 7:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BobDu@prodigy.net >writes: > >> >other sharp little object I could find... Does it clean out easier >> after it >> >dries, or is that worse? >> >> Whenever I go to a Chinese restraunt I save the wooden chopsticks, >> sharpen in a pencil sharpener and use to run excess putty off the edge >> of cames, after cleaning by brushing with whitting and before the >> putty has hardened all in the same hour just as this is one sentence. >> Trying to clean up excess putty the next day is just to hard for me. >> > >You can also go to the drug store and get the "orange sticks" that are used >for manicures. They are perfect for the job. > >IA >- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 20:05:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Oklahoma woes Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:55:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May3.155533.0> Precedence: bulk If anyone is inclined to pray...now would be a good time. Sitting here wishing I had a storm cellar. My sisters fiance is in OKC..said it was an F5 tornado...(BIG) The tornado that hit there was up to a mile wide! I saw a pic of it on TV..and have never seen anything like it. Rock-n-rollin in Tulsa. Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 20:18:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:00:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Bad news Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:59:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May3.165914.0> Precedence: bulk Oklahoma City has been hit hard. It is really really bad. :o( I saw a pic on TV of the tornado...before they even knew anything about the damages..and started to cry. :o( Over 450 homes have been destroyed. The tornado was an F5!!!! and was a **Mile wide**. They just came on TV, and said there are at least 3 confirmed tornados on the ground. They've called in the National Guard. All emergency workers have been called in. Having a hard time getting past all the debri, and downed power lines. Turnpikes are closed. Houses have been ripped off their foundations. We have some lifelong family friends that live in Midwest City...one of the places hit hard. Have you seen the damage at all on TV yet? It is awful! :o( Said the winds were at least 265 miles per hour. That is the storm that is now on its way to Tulsa. They showed a 5 week old baby they pulled out of a flattened house...said 2 adults had laid on it...and the baby is ok. They didnt say about the adults. -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 20:33:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:02:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May3.19213.0> References: <<1999May4.0820.0>> Precedence: bulk > You can also go to the drug store and get the "orange sticks" that are used > for manicures. They are perfect for the job. This is what my stained glass retailer recomends...but he stocks them in store and at MUCH cheaper prices! And being the great guy that he is...has been even known to throw in a few when you buy other cementing supplies. Take Care, Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 20:47:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: glass@intrastar.net, Bungi List , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: TORNADO Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:13:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May3.19130.0> References: <<372BEF37.6750@ix.netcom.com>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Heads up everybody in Oklahoma if you haven't had the news on there. Force 5 tornado with 280-300 mile an hour winds is still on the ground right now-11pm just north of Oklahoma city Lee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 22:49:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usmo.com!sandyjoh From: "Sandy Johnson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Oklahoma woes Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May3.192343.0> Precedence: bulk just got off the phone with my boyfriend (fiance) from Duncan OK. Say's it's bad and more on the way...He has lived there his whole life and this is the worst storm he's seen (he owns a construction company and is usually jumping up and down when storms hit the area - mo money)...anyway...tonight he was really shaken up by it. I think he finally seen how bad/serious storms can be. I applied for a job in OKC last week, I'm glad they haven't called me for an interview yet! Guess I'll take the snow over storms. (I was from Des Moines until 2 weeks ago, now I'm lakeside at Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri) Yep, 20 steps to the water! PS - we've got an extra studio apartment that is available for rent if anyone is interested in a visit ($50/nite, milemarker 24ish (directly west across the lake of TanTarA resort) in a nice quiet cove. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 10:29 PM Subject: Oklahoma woes >If anyone is inclined to pray...now would be a good time. >Sitting here wishing I had a storm cellar. > >My sisters fiance is in OKC..said it was an F5 tornado...(BIG) >The tornado that hit there was up to a mile wide! I saw a pic of it on >TV..and have never seen anything like it. > >Rock-n-rollin in Tulsa. > >Suzanne > > > >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 3 23:50:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Sandy Johnson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Oklahoma woes Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:02:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May3.20221.0> References: <<1999May3.192343.0>> Precedence: bulk Sandy... It is so bad in Oklahoma City. I cant beleive it. We still dont know about our friends in Midwest City. :o( Midwest City looks bulldozed. We are now out of the warning. The funnel sucked up and came down and sucked up and stayed up as it went over my part of town :o) Most of the damage is roof, trees, and transformers in Tulsa. They said this is the worst in about 20 years...they are just jumpin outta the sky. So wierd how it feels like the atmosphere is breathing. Dont know how to describe it. Ive been in so many warnings when you run to take cover...and you never know if its gonna be nothing or like what was in OKC. Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 07:13:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usa.net!glassarts From: Jennifer Frisbee To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio #103 Jen Frisbee Date: 4 May 99 09:12:13 EDT Message-ID: <1999May4.131213.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info...I am definitely looking forward to moving somewhere= where the horns don't blow and no obscenities stream from the windows of cars....(now I just have to get my husband in that same mindset!) FYI: for those who are confused...I moved all stained glass related correspondence to this email address (instead of jenfrisbee@usa.net). = Thanks again for extending a welcoming hand to an ambitious beginner. Jen Frisbee "Bob Duchesneau" wrote: >>Good news, Jen...the drivers in Northern California are *nothing* like the drivers in Boston. When two lanes converge into one out here, cars do a perfect shuffle. Occasionally, the drivers even look at each other and smile! Welcome in advance! Steve<< Please note that this refers to northern CA. Reminds me of the cartoon where the LA driver hands a six shooter to his passanger and says, "Cover me while I change lanes." Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 08:15:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 07:49:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Oklahoma woes Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:47:51 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > > >Suzanne and all, >I'm so glad you are okay!!!!!! >I woke this morning to see all the email on this terrible news. >I watched Canada AM to see it on TV. I just can't image what it must have been like for the folks down there. I understand there is still a system coming today. I will keep OKC and the Mid West in my prayers! >It leaves me speechless with incredible saddness. >Stay safe and God Bless. >Cindy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 09:18:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:04:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Wayne Manning" , Subject: Fw: Positive Thoughts Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:46:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May4.14610.0> Precedence: bulk Just a little story about choices that I got this morning. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Bazensky To: Wayne Cartwright ; Budd Britt Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 08:34 AM Subject: Fw: Positive Thoughts | |-----Original Message----- |From: Daniel Bukaty Jr. |To: Aggie Nodari (E-mail) ; Arnie Bazensky (E-mail) |; Chetti Rathan (E-mail) ; |Erine K. Linden (E-mail) ; Joe Gonzalez |(E-mail) ; Paul A. Levey (E-mail) |; Robert Bakhtiari (E-mail) ; Thad |Sanchez (E-mail) |Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:46 AM |Subject: FW: Positive Thoughts | | |> FOR YOUR READING ENJOYMENT: |> |> |> |> >>Jerry was the kind of guy you love to hate. He was always in |> a |> >>good mood and always had something positive to say. When |> someone would |> >>ask him how he was doing, he would reply, "If I were any |> better, I would |> >>be twins!" |> >>He was a unique manager because he had several waiters who |> had |> >>followed him around from restaurant to restaurant. The |> reason the |> >>waiters followed Jerry was because of his attitude. He was a |> natural |> >>motivator. If an employee was having a bad day, Jerry was |> there telling |> >>the employee how to look on the positive side of the |> situation. |> >>Seeing this style really made me curious, so one day I went |> up |> >>to Jerry and asked him, "I don't get it! You can't be a |> positive person |> >>all of the time. How do you do it?" |> >>Jerry replied, "Each morning I wake up and say to myself, |> Jerry, |> >>you have two choices today. You can choose to be in a good |> mood or you |> >>can choose to be in a bad mood." I choose to be in a good |> mood. Each |> >>time something bad happens, I can choose to be a victim or I |> can choose |> >>to learn from it. I choose to learn from it. Every time |> someone comes |> >>to me complaining, I can choose to accept their complaining |> or I can |> >>point out the positive side of life. I choose the positive |> side of |> >>life." |> >>"Yeah, right, it's not that easy," I protested. |> >> |> >>"Yes it is," Jerry said. "Life is all about choices. When |> you |> >>cut away all the junk, every situation is a choice. You |> choose how you |> >>react to situations. You choose how people will affect your |> mood. You |> >>choose to be in a good mood or bad mood. The bottom line: |> It's your |> >>choice how you live life." |> >>I reflected on what Jerry said. Soon thereafter, I left the |> >>restaurant industry to start my own business. We lost touch, |> but often |> >>thought about him when I made a choice about life instead of |> reacting to |> >>it. |> >>Several years later, I heard that Jerry did something you are |> >>never supposed to do in a restaurant business: he left the |> back door |> >>open one morning and was held up at gun point by three armed |> robbers. |> >>While trying to open the safe, his hand, shaking from |> nervousness, |> >>slipped off the combination. The robbers panicked and shot |> him. |> >>Luckily, Jerry was found relatively quickly and rushed to the |> local |> >>trauma center. After 18 hours of surgery and weeks of |> intensive care, |> >>Jerry was released from the hospital with fragments of the |> bullets still |> >>in his body. |> >>I saw Jerry about six months after the accident. |> >>When I asked him how he was, he said, "If I were any better, |> I'd |> >>be twins. Wanna see my scars?" |> >>I declined to see his wounds, but did ask him what had gone |> >>through him mind as the robbery took place. |> >>"The first thing that went through my mind was that I should |> >>have locked the back door," Jerry replied. "Then, as I lay |> on the |> >>floor, I remembered that I had two choices: I could choose to |> live, or I |> >>could choose to die. I chose to live. |> >>"Weren't you scared? Did you lose consciousness?" I asked. |> >>Jerry continued, "The paramedics were great. They kept |> telling |> >>me I was going to be fine. But when they wheeled me into the |> emergency |> >>room and I saw the expressions on the faces of the doctors |> and nurses, I |> >>got really scared. In their eyes, I read, 'He's a dead man. |> " I knew I |> >>needed to take action." |> >>"What did you do?" I asked. |> |> >>"Well, there was a big, burly nurse shouting questions at |> me," |> >>said Jerry. "She asked if I was allergic to anything. |> >>'Yes,' I replied. |> >>The doctors and nurses stopped working as they waited for my |> >>reply. |> >>I took a deep breath and yelled, 'Bullets!' Over their |> laughter, |> >>I told them, "I am choosing to live. Operate on me as if I |> am alive, |> >>not dead." |> >>Jerry lived thanks to the skill of his doctors, but also |> because |> >>of his amazing attitude. I learned from him that every day we |> have the |> >>choice to live fully. |> >>Attitude, after all, is everything. |> >>You have 2 choices now: |> >>1.Save or delete this mail from your mailbox, or |> >>2.Forward it to people you care about. |> >> |> >>Hope you will choose No. 2. |> >>Work like you don't need the money. |> >>Love like you've never been hurt. |> >>Dance like nobody's watching. |> >> |> >>Isn't it great? |> |> |> |> | ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 09:44:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" To: "glass@intrastar.net" , bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-T-Suz safe so here is update on Louise the Duck Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May4.72451.0> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, now that we know Suzanne de Tulsa is safe, this was in todays Post. KSee Louise, Ducks Out The nine egglike sculptures recently installed by a mallard named Louise in the new sculpture garden at the National Gallery were revealed on Sunday to be . . . duck eggs. While the sculptress was perched atop her oeuvre on Sunday morning, small ducks crashed out of the white ovoid sculptures like strippers popping out of a cake at a bachelor party. When all nine duckling had emerged, their artist/mother, acting as impromptu docent, led them on a walk through the gardens, which includes sculptures by Claes Oldenburg, Louise Bourgeois and Alexander Calder, thus exposing them to great art at a very early age. Construction workers attempted to lure the ducks into the newly built fountain via a tiny bridge they had created for that purpose. When the workers arrived Monday morning, Madonna and children had ducked out of the garden, leaving no forwarding address. Deborah Ziska, spokeswoman for the National Gallery, speculates that the new fountain was lacking in natural duck chow, causing Louise to seek greener wetlands elsewhere. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 09:53:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: interesting article on how light bulbs are made Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:21:13 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990504092113.0093e5c0@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk http://www.techreview.com:80/articles/may98/trail_edge.htm regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 10:16:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Oklahoma woes Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:33:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May4.63357.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Thanks Cindy. There were a few tornados to touch down in the Tulsa area...in and around...and some damage...but nothing like in Oklahoma City. Thunderstorms today and Tornado watches. Several tornado warnings in neighboring counties...but nothing serious to speak of...so far. There has been alot of lightning right here...so I got offline and unplugged my computer for several hours. Thanks, Everyone for your concern. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 10:34:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:40:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:36:50 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990504093650.0097fe20@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk you can get 200 pairs of chopsticks in a chinese grocery for about $2.50. that should be a lifetime supply. otoh: i asked my dentist for some old dental picks that work really a lot better than wood. you can also get these at swap meets. regards, charlie phx, az >Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:02:13 -0400 >Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels >Sender: soraya@cros.net >From: soraya@cros.net >To: glass@bungi.com > >> You can also go to the drug store and get the "orange sticks" that are >used >> for manicures. They are perfect for the job. > >This is what my stained glass retailer recomends...but he stocks them in >store and at MUCH cheaper prices! And being the great guy that he is...has >been even known to throw in a few when you buy other cementing supplies. > >Take Care, >Soraya > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 11:30:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Sandy Johnson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Oklahoma woes Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:54:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May8.25455.0> References: <<1999May3.192343.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > now I'm lakeside at Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri) Yep, 20 steps to the > water! > > PS - we've got an extra studio apartment that is available for rent if > anyone is interested in a visit ($50/nite, milemarker 24ish (directly west > across the lake of TanTarA resort) in a nice quiet cove. > > oh Sandy...I grew up in StLouis and we used to go to Lake of the Ozarks almost every year....I know EXACTLY where you are located:) We never stayed at TanTarA though..a little too pricey.....I think they are owned by my former employers (Marriott) now anyway...we always stayed at the Holiday Inn (which is very nice as Holiday Inns go:) My childhood photo album is filled with pictures from there...... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 11:56:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Bud Britt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fw: Positive Thoughts Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 10:09:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May8.3921.0> References: <<1999May4.14610.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Bud Britt wrote: > > Just a little story about choices that I got this morning. > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Arnie Bazensky > To: Wayne Cartwright ; Budd Britt > > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 08:34 AM > Subject: Fw: Positive Thoughts > > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Daniel Bukaty Jr. > |To: Aggie Nodari (E-mail) ; Arnie Bazensky (E-mail) > |; Chetti Rathan (E-mail) > ; > |Erine K. Linden (E-mail) ; Joe Gonzalez > |(E-mail) ; Paul A. Levey (E-mail) > |; Robert Bakhtiari (E-mail) ; Thad > |Sanchez (E-mail) > |Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:46 AM > |Subject: FW: Positive Thoughts > | > | > |> FOR YOUR READING ENJOYMENT: > |> > |> > |> > |> >>Jerry was the kind of guy you love to hate. He was always in > |> a > |> >>good mood and always had something positive to say. When > |> someone would > |> >>ask him how he was doing, he would reply, "If I were any > |> better, I would > |> >>be twins!" > |> >>He was a unique manager because he had several waiters who > |> had > |> >>followed him around from restaurant to restaurant. The > |> reason the > |> >>waiters followed Jerry was because of his attitude. He was a > |> natural > |> >>motivator. If an employee was having a bad day, Jerry was > |> there telling > |> >>the employee how to look on the positive side of the > |> situation. > |> >>Seeing this style really made me curious, so one day I went > |> up > |> >>to Jerry and asked him, "I don't get it! You can't be a > |> positive person > |> >>all of the time. How do you do it?" > |> >>Jerry replied, "Each morning I wake up and say to myself, > |> Jerry, > |> >>you have two choices today. You can choose to be in a good > |> mood or you > |> >>can choose to be in a bad mood." I choose to be in a good > |> mood. Each > |> >>time something bad happens, I can choose to be a victim or I > |> can choose > |> >>to learn from it. I choose to learn from it. Every time > |> someone comes > |> >>to me complaining, I can choose to accept their complaining > |> or I can > |> >>point out the positive side of life. I choose the positive > |> side of > |> >>life." > |> >>"Yeah, right, it's not that easy," I protested. > |> >> > |> >>"Yes it is," Jerry said. "Life is all about choices. When > |> you > |> >>cut away all the junk, every situation is a choice. You > |> choose how you > |> >>react to situations. You choose how people will affect your > |> mood. You > |> >>choose to be in a good mood or bad mood. The bottom line: > |> It's your > |> >>choice how you live life." > |> >>I reflected on what Jerry said. Soon thereafter, I left the > |> >>restaurant industry to start my own business. We lost touch, > |> but often > |> >>thought about him when I made a choice about life instead of > |> reacting to > |> >>it. > |> >>Several years later, I heard that Jerry did something you are > |> >>never supposed to do in a restaurant business: he left the > |> back door > |> >>open one morning and was held up at gun point by three armed > |> robbers. > |> >>While trying to open the safe, his hand, shaking from > |> nervousness, > |> >>slipped off the combination. The robbers panicked and shot > |> him. > |> >>Luckily, Jerry was found relatively quickly and rushed to the > |> local > |> >>trauma center. After 18 hours of surgery and weeks of > |> intensive care, > |> >>Jerry was released from the hospital with fragments of the > |> bullets still > |> >>in his body. > |> >>I saw Jerry about six months after the accident. > |> >>When I asked him how he was, he said, "If I were any better, > |> I'd > |> >>be twins. Wanna see my scars?" > |> >>I declined to see his wounds, but did ask him what had gone > |> >>through him mind as the robbery took place. > |> >>"The first thing that went through my mind was that I should > |> >>have locked the back door," Jerry replied. "Then, as I lay > |> on the > |> >>floor, I remembered that I had two choices: I could choose to > |> live, or I > |> >>could choose to die. I chose to live. > |> >>"Weren't you scared? Did you lose consciousness?" I asked. > |> >>Jerry continued, "The paramedics were great. They kept > |> telling > |> >>me I was going to be fine. But when they wheeled me into the > |> emergency > |> >>room and I saw the expressions on the faces of the doctors > |> and nurses, I > |> >>got really scared. In their eyes, I read, 'He's a dead man. > |> " I knew I > |> >>needed to take action." > |> >>"What did you do?" I asked. > |> > |> >>"Well, there was a big, burly nurse shouting questions at > |> me," > |> >>said Jerry. "She asked if I was allergic to anything. > |> >>'Yes,' I replied. > |> >>The doctors and nurses stopped working as they waited for my > |> >>reply. > |> >>I took a deep breath and yelled, 'Bullets!' Over their > |> laughter, > |> >>I told them, "I am choosing to live. Operate on me as if I > |> am alive, > |> >>not dead." > |> >>Jerry lived thanks to the skill of his doctors, but also > |> because > |> >>of his amazing attitude. I learned from him that every day we > |> have the > |> >>choice to live fully. > |> >>Attitude, after all, is everything. > |> >>You have 2 choices now: > |> >>1.Save or delete this mail from your mailbox, or > |> >>2.Forward it to people you care about. > |> >> > |> >>Hope you will choose No. 2. > |> >>Work like you don't need the money. > |> >>Love like you've never been hurt. > |> >>Dance like nobody's watching. > |> >> > |> >>Isn't it great? > |> > |> > |> > |> > | > > Bud, thank you very very very much for htis...wish I had had this attitude when I was younger and it hadnt taken me so damn long to learn in....not to bring up Columbine high again, but if adults would teach kids while they are still young and impressionable about how attitude is everything then perhaps things like that would not happen....these young men could not control not being in with the in crowd, but life is truly what you make of it, and if the adults around you teach you to make lemonade when life throws you lemons and that you are NEVER a victim unless you choose to take on that identity...then you will not feel the need to lash out in anger at a world that has supposedly "taken" everything from you...people will respond more positively to you too, at least eventually they will as you get into adulthood. it is people who feel they are powerless and have no control over their own destinies, unlike the gentleman in your story, who become vicious angry bitter people.....biology...bah....those boys were made, not born....how very sad..... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 12:02:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels Date: Tue May 4 11:11:56 1999 Message-ID: <1999May5.84956.0> Precedence: bulk horseshoe nails work, too debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels >you can get 200 pairs of chopsticks in a chinese grocery for about $2.50. >that should be a lifetime supply. > >otoh: i asked my dentist for some old dental picks that work really a lot >better than wood. you can also get these at swap meets. > >regards, >charlie >phx, az > >>Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:02:13 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Cementing Lead Panels >>Sender: soraya@cros.net >>From: soraya@cros.net >>To: glass@bungi.com >> >>> You can also go to the drug store and get the "orange sticks" that are >>used >>> for manicures. They are perfect for the job. >> >>This is what my stained glass retailer recomends...but he stocks them in >>store and at MUCH cheaper prices! And being the great guy that he is...has >>been even known to throw in a few when you buy other cementing supplies. >> >>Take Care, >>Soraya >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 12:22:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:52:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kaleidoscope stuff Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:59:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May4.55932.0> Precedence: bulk I recently got a wild hair to build a few small kaleidascopes. Seems like very recently, either in a catalog or maybe a sales flyer, I saw a sale on the small oil wands. Now I can't find that info anywhere. Does anyone else remember seeing this, or am I just dreaming? Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 13:30:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Oklahoma Kids tornado site Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:34:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May4.93433.0> Precedence: bulk http://tqjunior.advanced.org/4232/index.htm -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 13:52:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Subject: Sorry for the SPAM Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:20:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May4.5201.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Everyone, I received a notice that I spammed the list this morning from a member of Bungi. The spam, was a story that I received about attitude, and choice. I thought I had unsubscribed, and as such was blocked from posting. I will need to go through my group lists, and remove the references to Bungi. Again, sorry for spamming the list. Sincerely, Bud Britt ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 13:59:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope stuff Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:54:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990504125435.00967100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999May4.55932.0>> Precedence: bulk At 11:59 AM 5/4/99 -0600, Shari Higbee wrote: >I recently got a wild hair to build a few small kaleidascopes. Seems like >very recently, either in a catalog or maybe a sales flyer, I saw a sale on >the small oil wands. Now I can't find that info anywhere. Does anyone else >remember seeing this, or am I just dreaming? > >Shari Check pages 28-29 in current Delphi catalog. Other places probably have them for less. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 14:21:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Shari Higbee" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope stuff Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:04:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May4.12419.0> Precedence: bulk I believe it was Warner Cirvellaro www.warner-criv.com and you might try Delphi www.delphiglass.com Jill -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee To: Bungi Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:47 PM Subject: Kaleidoscope stuff >I recently got a wild hair to build a few small kaleidascopes. Seems like >very recently, either in a catalog or maybe a sales flyer, I saw a sale on >the small oil wands. Now I can't find that info anywhere. Does anyone else >remember seeing this, or am I just dreaming? > >Shari > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 15:24:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Bud Britt" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sorry for the SPAM Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:22:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May5.232258.0> Precedence: bulk Bud I'm happy to read what ever you want to send. BtB -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt To: Bungi Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:57 PM Subject: Sorry for the SPAM >Dear Everyone, > >I received a notice that I spammed the list this morning from a member of >Bungi. > >The spam, was a story that I received about attitude, and choice. > >I thought I had unsubscribed, and as such was blocked from posting. > >I will need to go through my group lists, and remove the references to >Bungi. > >Again, sorry for spamming the list. > > >Sincerely, >Bud Britt > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 18:04:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Brian Shepherd , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sorry for the SPAM Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May4.91458.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, though I have seen the article before, I enjoyed reading it again. I don't consider it spam at all. Nuf said. Rick --- Brian Shepherd wrote: > Bud > > I'm happy to read what ever you want to send. > > BtB > -----Original Message----- > From: Bud Britt > To: Bungi > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:57 PM > Subject: Sorry for the SPAM > > > >Dear Everyone, > > > >I received a notice that I spammed the list this > morning from a member of > >Bungi. > > > >The spam, was a story that I received about > attitude, and choice. > > > >I thought I had unsubscribed, and as such was > blocked from posting. > > > >I will need to go through my group lists, and > remove the references to > >Bungi. > > > >Again, sorry for spamming the list. > > > > > >Sincerely, > >Bud Britt > > > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 18:36:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Pam's daughter has a math question Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:43:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May4.104336.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Hello My name is Brittany Burns, I'm Pamela Burns-Tappan's daughter. She said you guys could probably help me out with my math question. My question involves probability in Pre-Algebra, the question's are: The sun will rise tomorrow, and Your friend will live to be 300 years old. I would greatly appreciate it if you could help me because I couldn't find help ANYWHERE else, thanks. -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 19:37:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CColdfeet From: CColdfeet@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Wrought Art enterprises Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:15:59 EDT Message-ID: <1999May5.11559.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 4 20:06:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:31:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: tinning question Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May4.123111.0> Precedence: bulk Now matter how hard I try, my tinning is terrible looking on individual brass/metal pieces. I think some of the problem may have to do with the basic metal being "dirty" and needs to be really cleaned before fluxing and tinning with steel wool. If it is a singular object that I am tinning (feet for a box, etc), could I put it in a small bottle of flux to preclean, and then throw the flux away? I have never seen this problem addressed in anything I have read and would appreciate any information Bungi can give! Thanks, Barbara _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 02:25:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:15:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG My missing friends ;o) and other Tuksa Bungians..long Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:14:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May4.181458.0> Precedence: bulk Well...my mother finally got em on the phone. ;o) So many of you have inquired about them, posting to both lists like this is way easier for me. Hope y'all dont mind. The story about them is at the end of this post.. Now I know of at least 2 other Tulsa area bungians. Are there ONLY 3 of us in Oklahoma? Seriously? LJ Maas...are you in Jenks? Any trouble? Arent one of you around the lake Keystone area? Did you have any problems? Watching the news I am learning there was a lot more damage in and around Tulsa than I knew of before. On the news just now, they told about a little town that was virtually wiped off the map. They said they hadnt mentioned it before because of OKC. Those individual families need help too. Population of 250 they said...all basically homeless now. Didnt mention any fatalities there. They showed video of the tornado that went over my area of town...the one that touched down on the other side of the river...it was a lot bigger than what I pictured it! :O) NOW I am really releived that it sucked back up into the sky and passed us on by. Thanks every one for all your nice birthday wishes yesterday...somebody really was sneaky. lol...What a day it was. I appreciate it very much. I was given 2 Chocolate Birthday Cakes. ;o) YES, I Do like Chocolate! but I will share..so come on over and have some. Would have been totally depressing without you all! Thanks...big time! Now I got this from my mother a few minutes ago...regarding our friends in Midwest City. (Midwest City is an area of OKC that was pretty much demolished) > Hi there, > I finally got through to Lila and Salty. Salty answered the phone "we >are not here, we got blown away." Salty said the only damage they had >was one tree limb down. > Kelly was closer to the storm and was in her closet with her two dogs. >Said it sounded like a freight train, it picked up a huge tree in her >back yard and deposited it in her front yard. Salty said her house and >yard are covered in debris, don't you know she was scared to death? YES! ;o) Thanks again for all of your concern, prayers, friendship, and love! I love you too! ;o) Oh...during the thunderstorms today, (It was really DARK) I made 6 fan pulls, and a plant stake. One is pretty cockeyed...think it was due to Thunder ;o) (yeah right) but it adds character, right? ;o) T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 22:14:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Yooooo Hooooo?[testing] Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May5.191213.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19990504092113.0093e5c0@atlas2.az.stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks! Just testing to see if I get anything back. I don't seem to have received any mail from bungi today, which strikes me as very odd. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 22:29:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: barbara elmore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: tinning question Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May5.123919.0> References: <<1999May4.123111.0>> Precedence: bulk barbara elmore wrote: > > Now matter how hard I try, my tinning is terrible looking on individual > brass/metal pieces. I think some of the problem may have to do with > the basic metal being "dirty" and needs to be really cleaned before > fluxing and tinning with steel wool. If it is a singular object that I > am tinning (feet for a box, etc), could I put it in a small bottle of > flux to preclean, and then throw the flux away? I have never seen this > problem addressed in anything I have read and would appreciate any > information Bungi can give! Thanks, Barbara > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass for brass pieces i clean the brass really well. using a wire brush maybe even a little polish. then i'll degrease it with alchohol. then i'll melt the solder on the object and let it sit there for a little bit. then using a very wet-folded paper towel i'll wipe off the surface. do it quickly, or you'll get a rough finish and burnt fingers. that's how i do it anyway. that's also the method i use for brass tube. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 22:43:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:23:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG Pam's daughter has a math question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:57:26 +0000 Message-ID: <199905050859.IAA24270@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello Brittany, et al Your question has more to do with logic and lateral thinking, methinks. The answer? The sun will rise tomorrow, SOMEWHERE, SOME TIME (question does not specify); My friend will live to be 300 years old, because my friend is an oak tree/ a mountain/the sea .... (question does not specify). Mathematics is far more exact and functions in much stricter frame-work; the only other way to mathematically solve the question is to calculate the number of times the sun has risen(since when??), then calculate the odds ( i.e. probability) of it NOT rising, bearing in mind that the question does not specify either location, time or whether or not you can see the sun (clouds etc). To calculate mathematically if "your friend" is going to live for 300 years,.... well that depends what form your friend takes and how you define life. Hmmmm... how long is a piece of string...? Are you sure your Maths teacher is alright??? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hello My name is Brittany Burns, I'm Pamela Burns-Tappan's daughter. She > said you guys could probably help me out with my math question. My > question involves probability in Pre-Algebra, the question's are: The > sun will rise tomorrow, and Your friend will live to be 300 years old. I > would greatly appreciate it if you could help me because I couldn't find > help ANYWHERE else, thanks. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 22:53:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Pam's daughter has a math question Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:25:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May5.42517.0> Precedence: bulk Since you are working on probabilities, I am guessing the question is meant as an illustration of the two extremes of probability. The probability that the sun will rise tomorrow is almost 100%. The probability that your friend will live to be 300 years old is almost 0%. Depending on what your teacher is trying to teach you, he/she may say the correct answers are 100% and 0% (zero). But if ever you go on to more complex real-world applications of math, you will find that nothing is ever truly 100% or 0% probability. There is always some very very small chance the unexpected event may occur. In these two cases particular cases: There is a very very very small chance an asteroid could hit the earth tonight, stop it from spinning, and therefore the sun would not "rise". There is a very very very small chance medical science will advance far enough before your friend dies to allow your friend to live to be 300 years old. So, the correct answers are that the probability the sun will rise tomorrow APPROACHES 100% and the probability your friend will live to be 300 years old APPROACHES 0%. This may seem like a stupid distinction, but it becomes critical when applying probabilities to the real world. Both quantum mechanics and chaos theories show that many almost zero or almost 100% probabilities combined under the right influences or trends can suddenly come together to form a very real probability the unexpected will happen. A perfect example of this are the tornadoes which you have been hearing about in Oklahoma. The weather causing tornadoes on this scale is a very chaotic system. Many, if not most, of the factors which contribute to the probability a massive tornado will form are ALMOST zero probability. But the nature of chaotic weather systems is that under the right conditions these factors begin to influence each other and magnify each other. What was a collection of almost zero probabilities suddenly becomes a very real, very destructive, and very deadly reality. A mile wide tornado forms, touches down, and people die. For those caught in this horrible disaster, I am in no way trying to belittle the tornadoes or their destruction. I am instead trying to show you, Brittany, the importance of recognizing that nothing is ever 100% or 0% in the real world. We will probably never be able to predict how big a tornado will be or where exactly it will touch down. The system is simply too complex with too many of the probabilities fluctuating too wildly for us to predict the exact outcome. However, we can become better at observing the factors which add together to form tornado prone systems. We can better understand better how these factors influence each other and grow from near zero to become a high probability. Then we can become better at predicting when the probability tornadoes will form is significant. We can better predict when the tornadoes will be particularly large and destructive. Hopefully some of the lives and some of the destruction can be prevented by better prediction of the real world probabilities. -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:43 PM Subject: NG Pam's daughter has a math question >Hello My name is Brittany Burns, I'm Pamela Burns-Tappan's daughter. She >said you guys could probably help me out with my math question. My >question involves probability in Pre-Algebra, the question's are: The >sun will rise tomorrow, and Your friend will live to be 300 years old. I >would greatly appreciate it if you could help me because I couldn't find >help ANYWHERE else, thanks. > >-- >********************************* > >Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ > >Moswood Mountain Limited >http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited >http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:07:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:39:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usmo.com!sandyjoh From: "Sandy Johnson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass table fountain Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:28:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May5.112825.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, gang... Doing some surfing for info on table-top fountain pumps and found this great idea. take a looksy! http://www.springcoach.com/fount/newsletter/Apr99/glass.html PS - this is for all you "slumpers" out there! :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:10:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:39:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: LJ Maas To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG other Oklahoma Bungians Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May5.33336.0> References: <<1999May4.181458.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > LJ Maas...are you in Jenks? Any trouble? > > Arent one of you around the lake Keystone area? Did you have any problems? Suzanne, the Keystone Lake bungian is me and it wasn't a pleasant night that's for sure! The tornado that came the closest to us was the one in Sapulpa...a little south of us...we got extremely lucky, but we still had to have an emergency bag packed and have the dog in her harness all night just in case. Thanks for asking, LJ ______________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" ART WITH ATTITUDE Web Design "take a look at some of our client's pages!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:19:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Manuf. Question Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 07:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May5.21558.0> Precedence: bulk Got this e-mail from my folks who are out vacationing around the country....any info would be great (Sue said she can't hook up to bungi on my dad's computer, but asked if I would forward any e-mail from anyone to her)....thanks!!! (P.S. Thanks for all the info on supporting that panel I "finally" designed......I really appreciate it...it's better to design it correctly the first time through!).... So far so good with the trip! Great weather, lots to see. While shopping, ran into a stained glass shop where there was a VERY unfriendly shop keeper. She wasn't willing to share much info! She was working on a piece of glass that I had not seen before and I inquired if it was Bullseye. No, this is West Virginia glass. Tried to find out name of manufacture and possible #, but she was NOT going to tell me no matter what I said or how I asked. Would you be willing to send a question to the group?? Who/ what/ where etc. glass is manufactured in West Virginia? Any other info available would be great. Thanks again! P.S. This may end up as a duplicate message. I tried to post it last night and I got an error message, "The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection refused by daver.bungi.com. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:26:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "barbara elmore" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: tinning question Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:16:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May5.171657.0> References: <<1999May4.123111.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi there I tin feet too and other metals. I just brush flux on and add solder. One thing do not add a lot of solder. You can make a little go a long way. Try it you will be amazed. That is how caps for lamps are tinned, otherwise it gets lumpy looking. Mine gets black sometimes but it washes off with (I use CJ's) whatever you use to clean. Use an old toothbrush. That gets into nooks and crannies. KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ----- Original Message ----- From: barbara elmore To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 10:31 PM Subject: tinning question > > Now matter how hard I try, my tinning is terrible looking on individual > brass/metal pieces. I think some of the problem may have to do with > the basic metal being "dirty" and needs to be really cleaned before > fluxing and tinning with steel wool. If it is a singular object that I > am tinning (feet for a box, etc), could I put it in a small bottle of > flux to preclean, and then throw the flux away? I have never seen this > problem addressed in anything I have read and would appreciate any > information Bungi can give! Thanks, Barbara > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:30:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass manuf. question Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:21:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May4.18216.0> Precedence: bulk Got this e-mail from my folks who are out dilly-daddling around the country....any info would be great (Sue said she can't hook up to bungi on my dad's computer, but asked if I would forward any e-mail from anyone to her)....thanks!!! (P.S. Thanks for all the info on supporting that panel I "finally" designed......I really appreciate it...it's better to design it correctly the first time through!).... So far so good with the trip! Great weather, lots to see. While shopping, ran into a stained glass shop where there was a VERY unfriendly shop keeper. She wasn't willing to share much info! She was working on a piece of glass that I had not seen before and I inquired if it was Bullseye. No, this is West Virginia glass. Tried to find out name of manufacture and possible #, but she was NOT going to tell me no matter what I said or how I asked. Would you be willing to send a question to the group?? Who/ what/ where etc. glass is manufactured in West Virginia? Any other info available would be great. Thanks again! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:38:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Pam's daughter has a math question/thanks Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:49:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May5.14936.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Thank you bungians for all of your responses to Brittany's math problem. She is a 7th grader and taking a very tough math class. There is no way I can even help her when she has a question regarding math. She left me in the dust long ago :) Her math question was math probability: The sun will rise tomorrow, and Your friend will live to be 300 years old. She asked me this while I was drinking my nightly glass of wine. My response was: "What you can't answer that! What's the matter with you! Here is what the answer is and this is what I would write." He** yes the sun will rise tomorrow and He** no my friend won't live to be 300 years old! So here comes the ultimate "MOOOOOOM I can't write cuss words on my paper!" That is why I suggested she ask bungians you guys know everything :) In school I was voted Most Outgoing, Biggest Partier and Most likely to host a great dinner party :) Thanks again, Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:40:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vvm.com!ktjude From: judy novak To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: pricing repairs Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:36:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May5.153620.0> Organization: calumet farm and studios/glass & goodies Precedence: bulk I have been doing repairs on windows, doors, etc. for awhile but I just don't seem to be able to get the pricing to match the time involved. I scrolled through the archives till I'm dizzy! Please help! What are your suggestions for repair (not restoration - although that would be appreciated also but I am not "there" yet and refer restoration work out of store). For an idea - let's say a 34 x 48 with 2 rebar for bracing, hit by a base ball and has 15 or so broken pieces and lead bent beyond repair at point of impact. Boy, is his mother ticked! How would you go about setting a price for repair that didn't make you resentful you took the job. Thank you so much for your help. judy novak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:43:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: Bud Britt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sorry for the SPAM Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 04:29:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May5.02911.0> References: <<1999May4.5201.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Your post was timely, and certainly appreciated by many of us. I got the same notice from the Hotglass List for trying to warn artists in Oklahoma of the force 5-6 (wind in excess of 300 miles an hour :-O )tornado that was over a mile across, and on the ground for so long. Just trying to save a few lives. With all of us working in our studios, at night, with no television or radio on, and with the stereo blasting, it was the only warning some people had. Obviously we go in and check e-mail, to take a break instead of turning on TV. So all you - must stay right on glass fanatics-, tornados do break a lot of glass (as well as everything else. Just chill ok!!!!) Lee Bud Britt wrote: > > Dear Everyone, > > I received a notice that I spammed the list this morning from a member of > Bungi. > > The spam, was a story that I received about attitude, and choice. > > I thought I had unsubscribed, and as such was blocked from posting. > > I will need to go through my group lists, and remove the references to > Bungi. > > Again, sorry for spamming the list. > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 5 23:47:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: spam, and positive posts........ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:40:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May4.144044.0> Precedence: bulk GLASS GLASS GLASS.......................... If I want motivation and or a pep talk I will look for it. If you have need to repeat the post, PLEASE exclude me...................... How difficult is it to post directly to the sender, rather than to the list at large! weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 05:46:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 04:58:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Manuf. Question Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <199905061151.HAA16286@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/5/99 12:14 PM Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann) Northernlights@pobox.com >Who/ what/ where etc. glass is >manufactured in West >Virginia? Any other info available would be great. Tracy/Sue, Wissmach is in West Virginia; so is Blenko. I'd be willing to bet it's Blenko she's referring to because their glass is so beautiful and distinctive (and difficult to find, and expensive!). Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 07:47:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT NG Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:44:43 +0800 Message-ID: <1999May6.164443.0> Precedence: bulk i thought this was a good piece - so i passed it on- enjoy! ricky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 08:50:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-Auction Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:41:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May6.64112.0> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk Check the prices so far on bidding. I don't see a very good deal here. It goes to show you have to be very careful what you bid on and how far to go. Research in imperative http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=97649684 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=97650423 If your one of the bidders, please don't take offense. I have gotten carried away with the bidding. Live and Learn KSee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 10:19:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pricing repairs Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:42:39 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990506094239.00a12e50@atlas2.az.stratus.com> References: <<"1999May5.153620.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk At 08:36 PM 5/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >I have been doing repairs on windows, doors, etc. for awhile but I just >don't seem to be able to get the pricing to match the time involved. I >scrolled through the archives till I'm dizzy! Please help! What are your >suggestions for repair (not restoration - although that would be >appreciated also but I am not "there" yet and refer restoration work out >of store). For an idea - let's say a 34 x 48 with 2 rebar for bracing, >hit by a base ball and has 15 or so broken pieces and lead bent beyond >repair at point of impact. Boy, is his mother ticked! How would you go >about setting a price for repair that didn't make you resentful you took >the job. > >Thank you so much for your help. > >judy novak i'd tell her it'd be cheaper to buy a new one! i hate fixing pieces, and would charge $30/hour, minimum 15 hours + cost of matching glass. regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 11:19:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-Bob's Exclusive Interview! Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:13:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May6.31330.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody! Bob Duchesneau has a feature article now running at The Stained Glass Artist site. Bob interviewed Henry Halem, the hot glass guru, recently and this well written article gives us all a little look into what Henry has been up too these days. It's a really good read. My compliments to Bob on a nicely done story! Read it here: http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ See ya, Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 13:50:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "judy novak" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pricing repairs Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:12:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May6.41212.0> Precedence: bulk I find many repairs are at least as much effort as doing the whole thing over would be. I price my repairs accordingly. I don't end up with many repair jobs pricing this way though. The only time repairs are less effort and cost than just doing a whole new piece would be are when most of the following are true: 1. Only a few glass pieces are broken. 2. All broken glass pieces are at or near the edge, or at least all in the same area. In other words, only a small portion of the piece needs to be disassembled. 3. I have checked the cement used and I know it can be removed easily (i.e. the old cement does not show the damage and hardness caused by Portland Cement, I have tested a small area with solvent and/or water so I know I can soften it, etc.). 4. I know I can match the broken glass with easily available currently manufactured glass to the customers satisfaction. 5. There are no painted sections or complex layering to be matched in the repair. Otherwise, I bid at least as much as a similar piece new would cost, often significantly more. I will admit that the only times people will accept these cost estimates is when the piece has significant historical or sentimental value. As far as I am concerned it is the only way I can price it though. I am simply being truthful about how much time and effort is involved in repairing stained glass. If you do not do the same, then you are selling yourself short. -----Original Message----- From: judy novak To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 12:48 AM Subject: pricing repairs >I have been doing repairs on windows, doors, etc. for awhile but I just >don't seem to be able to get the pricing to match the time involved. I >scrolled through the archives till I'm dizzy! Please help! What are your >suggestions for repair (not restoration - although that would be >appreciated also but I am not "there" yet and refer restoration work out >of store). For an idea - let's say a 34 x 48 with 2 rebar for bracing, >hit by a base ball and has 15 or so broken pieces and lead bent beyond >repair at point of impact. Boy, is his mother ticked! How would you go >about setting a price for repair that didn't make you resentful you took >the job. > >Thank you so much for your help. > >judy novak > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 14:24:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usmo.com!sandyjoh From: "Sandy Johnson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: fountain pumps Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May6.10535.0> Precedence: bulk Since posting the site for slumped glass fountains, I've had several requests for fountain info. Humm...maybe I found a new business venture... Anyway...for fellow bungians, I'll give ya this one...the best deal I've found so far on the fountain pumps is thru Arcata Pet Online at www.artcatapet-online.com (800) 822-9085 for the Hagen Mini Pro (seems to be the most popular one on the market) They sell them individually for $13.59 internet + $5 shipping ($16.99 in store) or bulk at 10+each for $11.50 (shipping UPS $8-$10). Orders over $100 include free shipping. If anyone else finds them cheaper, let me know. Thanks Sandy@da-lake! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 16:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: judy novak Subject: Re: pricing repairs Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May7.0926.0> References: <<1999May5.153620.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Judy, My approach to this has been to keep records of the time it took to do the repair work. This has been arranged by time taken for the various stages of the operation (removal, dis-assembly, cleaning, matching glass, cutting glass, assembly, and finishing) This has given me a pricing level with which I can live. My prices are generally given by area. Repair work runs at about one half of that (plus the cost of the glass). If the request is to repair in place, my charges go way up. 20 UK pounds per hour plus glass, plus 10 UK pounds per piece to be repaired, plus any scaffolding, ladders, additional hands, etc.) Steve In message <1999May5.153620.0@?>, judy novak writes >I have been doing repairs on windows, doors, etc. for awhile but I just >don't seem to be able to get the pricing to match the time involved. I >scrolled through the archives till I'm dizzy! Please help! What are your >suggestions for repair (not restoration - although that would be >appreciated also but I am not "there" yet and refer restoration work out >of store). For an idea - let's say a 34 x 48 with 2 rebar for bracing, >hit by a base ball and has 15 or so broken pieces and lead bent beyond >repair at point of impact. Boy, is his mother ticked! How would you go >about setting a price for repair that didn't make you resentful you took >the job. > >Thank you so much for your help. > >judy novak > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 17:21:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Math Question- Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May6.145144.0> References: <<1999May5.42517.0>> Precedence: bulk I was told this joke last week, and boy did it come at the right time. Here goes: A boy comes home from school one day and tells his father that he has a class assignment due tomorrow to discuss in math class the difference between probability and reality. The father thinks about this and comes up with a suggestion to his son. He tells his son that the way to tell the difference is to ask this question of his mother and sister. The son goes upstairs and asks his mother if she would sleep with Robert Redford for a million bucks. The mother thinks about this for a second and says "Don't tell your father but yes I would". The son next goes to his sister and asks her if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million bucks, and she says, "sure I would". The boy goes back to his father and says, "I have an answer". The boy says, "the probability is that we are sitting on 2 million bucks, but the reality is we are living with two sl*ts (hussies) KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim & Adriana Atwood To: Pamela Burns-Tappan ; Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 2:25 PM Subject: Re: NG Pam's daughter has a math question > Since you are working on probabilities, I am guessing the question is meant > as an illustration of the two extremes of probability. The probability that > the sun will rise tomorrow is almost 100%. The probability that your friend > will live to be 300 years old is almost 0%. > > Depending on what your teacher is trying to teach you, he/she may say the > correct answers are 100% and 0% (zero). But if ever you go on to more > complex real-world applications of math, you will find that nothing is ever > truly 100% or 0% probability. There is always some very very small chance > the unexpected event may occur. > > In these two cases particular cases: There is a very very very small chance > an asteroid could hit the earth tonight, stop it from spinning, and > therefore the sun would not "rise". There is a very very very small chance > medical science will advance far enough before your friend dies to allow > your friend to live to be 300 years old. > > So, the correct answers are that the probability the sun will rise tomorrow > APPROACHES 100% and the probability your friend will live to be 300 years > old APPROACHES 0%. This may seem like a stupid distinction, but it becomes > critical when applying probabilities to the real world. Both quantum > mechanics and chaos theories show that many almost zero or almost 100% > probabilities combined under the right influences or trends can suddenly > come together to form a very real probability the unexpected will happen. > > A perfect example of this are the tornadoes which you have been hearing > about in Oklahoma. The weather causing tornadoes on this scale is a very > chaotic system. Many, if not most, of the factors which contribute to the > probability a massive tornado will form are ALMOST zero probability. But > the nature of chaotic weather systems is that under the right conditions > these factors begin to influence each other and magnify each other. What > was a collection of almost zero probabilities suddenly becomes a very real, > very destructive, and very deadly reality. A mile wide tornado forms, > touches down, and people die. > > For those caught in this horrible disaster, I am in no way trying to > belittle the tornadoes or their destruction. I am instead trying to show > you, Brittany, the importance of recognizing that nothing is ever 100% or 0% > in the real world. We will probably never be able to predict how big a > tornado will be or where exactly it will touch down. The system is simply > too complex with too many of the probabilities fluctuating too wildly for us > to predict the exact outcome. > > However, we can become better at observing the factors which add together to > form tornado prone systems. We can better understand better how these > factors influence each other and grow from near zero to become a high > probability. Then we can become better at predicting when the probability > tornadoes will form is significant. We can better predict when the > tornadoes will be particularly large and destructive. Hopefully some of the > lives and some of the destruction can be prevented by better prediction of > the real world probabilities. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Burns-Tappan > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 7:43 PM > Subject: NG Pam's daughter has a math question > > > >Hello My name is Brittany Burns, I'm Pamela Burns-Tappan's daughter. She > >said you guys could probably help me out with my math question. My > >question involves probability in Pre-Algebra, the question's are: The > >sun will rise tomorrow, and Your friend will live to be 300 years old. I > >would greatly appreciate it if you could help me because I couldn't find > >help ANYWHERE else, thanks. > > > >-- > >********************************* > > > >Pamela Burns-Tappan > >Executive Director > >The Stained Glass Artists > >http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ > > > >Moswood Mountain Limited > >http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited > >http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 18:01:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientside-viennasys.com!sfairbairn From: Steve Fairbairn To: 'Bungi Mailing List' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: fountain pumps Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May6.10755.0> Precedence: bulk I have built a few tabletop fountains (not glass) and have found a good source for submersible pumps and related accessories to be the garden centre at Home Depot. I'm not sure if you have Home Depots in the US but I imagine any home repair/renovation superstore will have them. The pumps are available in a variety of sizes and are designed specifically for fountains and ponds. -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Johnson [mailto:sandyjoh@usmo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 1:06 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: fountain pumps Since posting the site for slumped glass fountains, I've had several requests for fountain info. Humm...maybe I found a new business venture... Anyway...for fellow bungians, I'll give ya this one...the best deal I've found so far on the fountain pumps is thru Arcata Pet Online at www.artcatapet-online.com (800) 822-9085 for the Hagen Mini Pro (seems to be the most popular one on the market) They sell them individually for $13.59 internet + $5 shipping ($16.99 in store) or bulk at 10+each for $11.50 (shipping UPS $8-$10). Orders over $100 include free shipping. If anyone else finds them cheaper, let me know. Thanks Sandy@da-lake! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 20:25:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Sandy Johnson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: fountain pumps Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:22:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May10.122239.0> References: <<1999May6.10535.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Sandy Johnson wrote: > > Since posting the site for slumped glass fountains, I've had several > requests for fountain info. Humm...maybe I found a new business venture... > > Anyway...for fellow bungians, I'll give ya this one...the best deal I've > found so far on the fountain pumps is thru Arcata Pet Online at > www.artcatapet-online.com (800) 822-9085 for the Hagen Mini Pro (seems to be > the most popular one on the market) > > They sell them individually for $13.59 internet + $5 shipping ($16.99 in > store) or bulk at 10+each for $11.50 (shipping UPS $8-$10). Orders over > $100 include free shipping. > > If anyone else finds them cheaper, let me know. Thanks Sandy@da-lake! > > Sandy, I dont know about the "specific" pump but I am assuming that it is one of those made for backyard koi ponds as opposed to indoor tanks.....if anyone wants to find the lowest price, I'd infiltrate (no pun intended...) an online aquarium group and see what they have for their sources..I used to be in the Boston aquarium society when I lived back east and some of those folks really knew how to find things for cheap cheap cheap.. I didnt care really about bargains cause I only had a couple of tanks but I guess if you have 100 or more fish tanks you DO care about getting things on the cheap.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 6 20:46:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 20:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pricing repairs Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May6.1771.0> Precedence: bulk I do repairs only by the hour plus materials... I currently charge $30/hr... I do give them a broken down estimate of how much I think it will take to do the job including all materials and guesstimated repair hours.. I always tell them up front that if they want a 'nailed down' price that will be quite a bit higher as I dont want to get burned by unforseen problems... Generally honesty works best... Since most of my repairs come from referals they already know I wont be ripping them off...It's also a good idea to tell them it would be cheaper to build a new panel if the damage is bad enuff... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: judy novak To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:47 PM Subject: pricing repairs >I have been doing repairs on windows, doors, etc. for awhile but I just >don't seem to be able to get the pricing to match the time involved. I >scrolled through the archives till I'm dizzy! Please help! What are your >suggestions for repair (not restoration - although that would be >appreciated also but I am not "there" yet and refer restoration work out >of store). For an idea - let's say a 34 x 48 with 2 rebar for bracing, >hit by a base ball and has 15 or so broken pieces and lead bent beyond >repair at point of impact. Boy, is his mother ticked! How would you go >about setting a price for repair that didn't make you resentful you took >the job. > >Thank you so much for your help. > >judy novak > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 00:37:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:47:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Made a butterfly Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:27:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May6.162742.0> Precedence: bulk Hello All, Been missing Bungi, and thank you for the ones who kept emailing me asking that I come back. I guess that there are still those who are like a teacher that I once had in person, in physical body form, one of the voices has identified itself as that teacher, and told me that he was sorry for being so rude to me when I was in his class. From what I remember, I took a stained glass class one summer in college, the teacher was a old European type, trained in the old country, he is helping me to share this, said that he had a gotee, beard I think that is, made rule that the class was not to do anything except suncatchers of his design until he felt that we could cut glass correctly, cut lead correctly, solder correctly, do everything his way, CORRECTLY, before he would allow anyone in the class to do anything other than suncatchers. Well, I got bored, he just said mighty quick, and made a small foil panel at home, when it was done, took it to class to show him, he (this is his word) he EXPLODED, and told me that he would fail me if I did anything other than suncatchers before he gave his okay. Well, I dropped the class after that hour, and went home and finished a box that I had started (Mom still has it, it's sitting in the living room, purple glue chip with a flower engraved large bevel in the top), took it to the next class, he blew up, ( he said SURE DID) told me that I was failed, I told him that it was not a problem, since I had dropped his class the week before, thanked him for what he had shown me, and left. Did not touch stained glass from that summer, until now, lets see, college, he said I was 22 or so, and I am about ready to see the supposed big one, 40, only it to me is just another day, another year. In many ways, the body is going to be 40, the mind is almost as empty as a young boy, not much left in here, and what I do work at, I find leaves pretty quick, if I do not repeat it over and over and over and over,,, And even then, I find that I have to read the directions again, even if I just worked with it,,, Only it seems that once again, I am in his class, only this time, he just said that "he has mellowed quite a bit" I am wanting to learn, and I feel a force/thought/energy guiding my hand when I am cutting, soldering, foiling, etc. He tells me that I am quite lucky a lot of times, that the glass seems to forgive me alot, only that he is trying to share with me what he knew, okay what he knows. Below is a little snip from a email to a friend earlier today, just to let you all know what I built in the last couple of days, not a speed wonder, pretty slow in the thinking out part of the mental stuff, and get side tracked pretty easily, only really enjoy playing/working/playing with making stuff out of stained glass. Snip Just got done making a flying butterfly for Mom for Mom Day. It's about 10" across, and 8" long, made a body out of scrap lead, melted it down with a propane torch, poured it into a groove in a scrap of wood that I found at wood place, made two of them, and then put flattened copper wire in the middle and soldered the two halves together. Then twisted the wire 90 degrees at the body to fit between the glass in the wings, also bent them up about 30 degrees to give the look of flight. I used handrolled glass from the glass blower for all of it except 4 little pieces, like the color of them little ones, deep green clear with little bubbles, and two larger red pieces, nice streaks in them. Went to the glass blower couple of days ago, got some more glass, about 40 pounds for 40.00 from what he said, although I think it was a lot more pounds there than that, he also gave me a box of lead came and steel bracing for free. I do not know how much that is worth, the box is about 6-8 foot long, and filled about half full, with narrow bead top, and wider bead top lead, steel brace strips, and some zinc channel also. The lead is oxidized, only seems to clean up with a little steel wool okay. Got it home okay, tied it to the top of my car on the load bars, kinda a site, little honda with a box almost as long as car on top. end snip Mom had me hang it in her bathroom, at the mirror, so that when she is working on her hair and face makeup stuff she can look up, and see the stained glass butterfly. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 09:19:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Hobby Glass, Non-Professional Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:35:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May7.13518.0> Precedence: bulk Good Morning Everyone Still a little unsure about re-subbing, do not want to cause or be the target of any flaming emailing. Only I do not like to see anyone being targeted because they do not meet someone's/anyones idea of a "professional/professional conduct". Perhaps, something I heard somewhere might be of use here, that opinions are like as_holes, everyone has one, some of us have two or perhaps four,,, Glass is fun for me, and hopefully for others. On the insistence of Mom, I went to HomeDepot and bought some wood, and built a small rack out of stair rail poles (the pretty turned kind) and some wood blocks that had circle grooves cut in them, screwed them all together (square 32"high x 48"wide), stained them with red mahogany stain, and put cup hooks 4" apart across the top pole, set it up in the church bookstore window, and put some pieces on it, lets see there were two butterflys (1 large, 1 smaller), 1 angel (side facing), 1 angel front facing with horn, 5 flying angels with horn, it's been up a week, all that is left is a few flying angels. Plus have made two more side facing angels, and have two ladies that want angels and teddy bears for gifts, one of them wants a total of six of my choice of design, now that is pretty neat, letting the maker/fabricator/artist if I might go so far as to claim that word choose the design of a gift for someone else. For the ladies that have wanted their chosen stuff "Right Now", I have told them that I play/work/play with glass, and that what I make I make because I want to make it, to play with it, and that if they want to make demands, they will get their "product" only the "Quality" will suffer, now I know this is not a good "professional business practice", only I am not in this to make money, or to make it a business, I figure that if I make enough off a few pieces to buy more supplies and glass, then that is enough, and allows me to play/work/play some more. And the work part, of the play/work/play is the working of what I got left for a brain/mind. Been tracing some patterns, that I have found. Trying to make them more simple, without taking away the "pretty". That's kinda hard to do, and some times I have to put a line back in that this monkey mind said I could take out. Well, gotta bath, it's about 8:30 here on the west coast of the U.S., and got some stuff to figure out today, the church bought a new mike yesterday, do not know if it will work with what they all ready have, might be the wrong frequency, will have to read the books and labels, and figure out how to hook it up, if it will work. Mom and me are going to go look at houses today with a lady that sells houses, Mom has seen some that she likes, wants me to see them also, think that is pretty neat, that she wants me to like them too, instead of just saying, this is our new house. Have a GREAT DAY everyone !!! Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 09:38:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:01:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cheap little suncatchers Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:55:46 EDT Message-ID: <1999May7.155546.0> Precedence: bulk AMEN Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 10:20:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: ktjude@vvm.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pricing repairs Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:07:59 EDT Message-ID: <1999May7.16759.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm still trying to catch up after a two week trip, and am in the middle of moving my studio, but I've done quite a lot of this recently, and will share my first pricing attempts (which were a giveway), together with my most recent which are NOT at giveway prices. I was able to rectify this with the help of a very kind bungi menber from Colorado, and I'll share this at length with you asap, probably over this weekend. In the mean time, perhaps someone else will be sharing with you. Richard Glassics Artglass Studio Valencia, Ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 10:49:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:26:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Bud Britt' , 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Hobby Glass, Non-Professional Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:09:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May7.9956.0> Precedence: bulk Budd I for one am glad you have "re-subbed". I will also tell you that the concern for quality is very much a "professional business practice", even if it seems to have fallen out of fashion these days. That is also the impression I received from most of the professionals on this list. Like you glass is something I play/work with/in. It is not a source of income. What it is is much more important than that. My commissions have rarely been accepted with a time constraint and were always based on an acceptable quality of workmanship. Even my "play pieces" (those first attempts that aren't quite right") need to be acceptable before they leave the workshop. Don't sell yourself short. Successful is measured in money; professional is measured by a much tougher standard. You give the impression of someone who has a professional bend and I doubt that I am the only one to tell you. As for what you have left of a brain/mind... You have managed to do more, despite a very legitimate excuse, than most people ever accomplish. Vic M. Vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt [mailto:computerministry@unitytustin.org] Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 11:35 AM To: AA_Bungi Subject: Hobby Glass, Non-Professional I have told them that I play/work/play with glass, and that what I make I make because I want to make it, to play with it, and that if they want to make demands, they will get their "product" only the "Quality" will suffer, now I know this is not a good "professional business practice", only I am not in this to make money, or to make it a business, I figure that if I make enough off a few pieces to buy more supplies and glass, then that is enough, and allows me to play/work/play some more. And the work part, of the play/work/play is the working of what I got left for a brain/mind. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 11:51:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" , Subject: Re: Hobby Glass, Non-Professional Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:40:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May7.3402.0> Precedence: bulk Perhaps you ought to think about putting some items up in a church bookstore, or some other place where the general public will see them. Perhaps the people who are seeing them, are wanting to make, instead of buy, and might really like you pieces, only are taking mental pictures, and drawing their own and makeing them for themselves. Seems that to sell to profit, or to just get more supplies, ya need to show to those who are not interested in making, only buying,,, And a glass store is for those who make, a bookstore is for those who buy,,, Would a writer go to a bookstore to get supplies to write a book, like to buy a typewriter, pads, pens, etc., just a thought,,, ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: SAHigbee1@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Hobby Glass, Non-Professional |Welcome back Bud! and congratulations on your sales at the church. Obviously |you do nice work for it to be such a popular item! I'll bet that's |heartwarming. I have a couple of pieces on sale (on consignment) at my local |glass store, but nothing has sold yet. I'm trying not to take that |personally... ;-) | |Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 12:17:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:08:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Bud Britt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Made a butterfly Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:45:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May11.3452.0> References: <<1999May6.162742.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Bud Britt wrote: > > Hello All, > > Been missing Bungi, and thank you for the ones who kept emailing me asking > that I come back. > > I guess that there are still those who are like a teacher that I once had in > person, in physical body form, one of the voices has identified itself as > that teacher, and told me that he was sorry for being so rude to me when I > was in his class. From what I remember, I took a stained glass class one > summer in college, the teacher was a old European type, trained in the old > country, he is helping me to share this, said that he had a gotee, beard I > think that is, made rule that the class was not to do anything except > suncatchers of his design until he felt that we could cut glass correctly, > cut lead correctly, solder correctly, do everything his way, CORRECTLY, > before he would allow anyone in the class to do anything other than > suncatchers. > > Well, I got bored, he just said mighty quick, and made a small foil panel at > home, when it was done, took it to class to show him, he (this is his word) > he EXPLODED, and told me that he would fail me if I did anything other than > suncatchers before he gave his okay. Well, I dropped the class after that > hour, and went home and finished a box that I had started (Mom still has it, > it's sitting in the living room, purple glue chip with a flower engraved > large bevel in the top), took it to the next class, he blew up, ( he said > SURE DID) told me that I was failed, I told him that it was not a problem, > since I had dropped his class the week before, thanked him for what he had > shown me, and left. > > Did not touch stained glass from that summer, until now, lets see, college, > he said I was 22 or so, and I am about ready to see the supposed big one, > 40, only it to me is just another day, another year. In many ways, the body > is going to be 40, the mind is almost as empty as a young boy, not much left > in here, and what I do work at, I find leaves pretty quick, if I do not > repeat it over and over and over and over,,, And even then, I find that I > have to read the directions again, even if I just worked with it,,, > > Only it seems that once again, I am in his class, only this time, he just > said that "he has mellowed quite a bit" I am wanting to learn, and I feel a > force/thought/energy guiding my hand when I am cutting, soldering, foiling, > etc. He tells me that I am quite lucky a lot of times, that the glass seems > to forgive me alot, only that he is trying to share with me what he knew, > okay what he knows. > > Below is a little snip from a email to a friend earlier today, just to let > you all know what I built in the last couple of days, not a speed wonder, > pretty slow in the thinking out part of the mental stuff, and get side > tracked pretty easily, only really enjoy playing/working/playing with making > stuff out of stained glass. > > Snip > > Just got done making a flying butterfly for Mom for Mom Day. It's about 10" > across, and 8" long, made a body out of scrap lead, melted it down with a > propane torch, poured it into a groove in a scrap of wood that I found at > wood place, made two of them, and then put flattened copper wire in the > middle and soldered the two halves together. Then twisted the wire 90 > degrees at the body to fit between the glass in the wings, also bent them up > about 30 degrees to give the look of flight. > > I used handrolled glass from the glass blower for all of it except 4 little > pieces, like the color of them little ones, deep green clear with little > bubbles, and two larger red pieces, nice streaks in them. > > Went to the glass blower couple of days ago, got some more glass, about 40 > pounds for 40.00 from what he said, although I think it was a lot more > pounds there than that, he also gave me a box of lead came and steel bracing > for free. I do not know how much that is worth, the box is about 6-8 foot > long, and filled about half full, with narrow bead top, and wider bead top > lead, steel brace strips, and some zinc channel also. The lead is oxidized, > only seems to clean up with a little steel wool okay. Got it home okay, tied > it to the top of my car on the load bars, kinda a site, little honda with a > box almost as long as car on top. > > end snip > > Mom had me hang it in her bathroom, at the mirror, so that when she is > working on her hair and face makeup stuff she can look up, and see the > stained glass butterfly. > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > good for you Bud:)...it has amazed me how many people are "very" insistant that you do things THEIR way in the glass world...geez for some of us its just a relaxing way to spend a few hours, not an all encompassing obsession, whats the big deal???...my impression was always if you are willing to pay your money you should be able to do whatever....I have encountered teachers who INSIST you complete x number of copper foil projects before you do a lead project or INSIST you must take a copper foil class before you take a lead class....this sort of counteracts other crafts I had learned...when I learned to knit the woman who owned the yarn shop told me to go straight for what I wanted to do and pick up the skills as I did the project otherwise I would get bored and what was the point of not making something I would not love and use right off the bat....I am not sure what it is...ego?..."artists personality"??....beats me.......I also had a shop owner who point blank lied to me about the availability of self teaching books and videos..told me that none existed and lo and behold, later I found out hat they did and had ( and I am anal retentive enough to have checked the copyright dates to see if the stuff was around when I was told it didnt exist...) and the only conclusion I could reach was that this person did not want to risk missing out on getting my hard earned do-re-mi flowing into her cash register...... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 14:21:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 13:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Made a butterfly Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:14:01 -0400 Message-ID: <199905072014.QAA29516@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > was in his class. From what I remember, I took a stained glass class one > summer in college, the teacher was a old European type, trained in the old > country, he is helping me to share this, said that he had a gotee, beard I > think that is, made rule that the class was not to do anything except > suncatchers of his design until he felt that we could cut glass correctly, > cut lead correctly, solder correctly, do everything his way, CORRECTLY, > before he would allow anyone in the class to do anything other than > suncatchers. Hey, nothing wrong with that. Kind of like the old apprentice system. I am reminded of the apprentice sushi chefs who do nothing but chop vegetables for like two years before being allowed anywhere near a piece of fish! Frustrating yes, but think how good with a knife they will be after those 2 years, and what a better sushi chef they will be, eventually. Or the apprentice hot glass workers who are allowed to do literally nothing but pull points for an entire year! Tedious yes, but they will be masters of pulling points! And the next step will be easier. Or my piano teacher who wouldn't let me play anything in a new key until I had completely mastered the scales in that key. It may take 20 years, but I guarantee: Someday, the master chef, or master glass worker, or virtoso pianist, who studied under the strict teacher will thank him/her. Would I personally want that teacher? No I would not. But I respect and admire the attitude. I think it depends on the committment and the goals. To be the very best, one must suffer, and practice practice practice practice. Maybe you and I don't have that goal; we just want to get an introduction to the craft. Maybe that teacher was inapproprate for that situation. But perhaps we'd be better off if there were more teachers like that. (In our public schools, etc.) -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 16:51:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "David Cogen" , Subject: Re: Made a butterfly Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:49:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May7.84910.0> Precedence: bulk Well, I can see where this would be great for someone who is training/has chosen/desires to be/how else can you say, wants the trade/profession to be their life and living and earning and love. Only, do those who teach/share/help others to learn about glass, or any other trade/craft, only do so with those who are going for it in this manner, or do they also remember that there are many who do not want to go to that level of mastery (some of them just said, what about the female or non-gender form of the level of practice, ladies what would that word be?), that just want to learn how to do the trade/craft at a level that they can enjoy what they make/create and are at that level, with no wish to go beyond that level of madamstery ;-) And yes, I read and understood the stand that you shared, I too, am not looking at attaining or going to that level, or perhaps depth, seems that folks get hung on being above, at a higher level, when they get into a mind set of being at a certain mastery of a craft or trade level, when in reality, it could be that they just went deeper into the subject than most, and it seems that depth is a more in a downward direction, or lower it seems ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 02:30 PM Subject: Re: Made a butterfly |> was in his class. From what I remember, I took a stained glass class one |> summer in college, the teacher was a old European type, trained in the old |> country, he is helping me to share this, said that he had a gotee, beard I |> think that is, made rule that the class was not to do anything except |> suncatchers of his design until he felt that we could cut glass correctly, |> cut lead correctly, solder correctly, do everything his way, CORRECTLY, |> before he would allow anyone in the class to do anything other than |> suncatchers. | |Hey, nothing wrong with that. Kind of like the old apprentice system. I am |reminded of the apprentice sushi chefs who do nothing but chop vegetables for |like two years before being allowed anywhere near a piece of fish! | |Frustrating yes, but think how good with a knife they will be after those 2 |years, and what a better sushi chef they will be, eventually. | | |Or the apprentice hot glass workers who are allowed to do literally nothing |but pull points for an entire year! | |Tedious yes, but they will be masters of pulling points! And the next step |will be easier. | | |Or my piano teacher who wouldn't let me play anything in a new key until I had |completely mastered the scales in that key. | | | |It may take 20 years, but I guarantee: Someday, the master chef, or master |glass worker, or virtoso pianist, who studied under the strict teacher will |thank him/her. | | |Would I personally want that teacher? No I would not. But I respect and admire |the attitude. I think it depends on the committment and the goals. To be the |very best, one must suffer, and practice practice practice practice. Maybe you |and I don't have that goal; we just want to get an introduction to the |craft. Maybe that teacher was inapproprate for that situation. But perhaps |we'd be better off if there were more teachers like that. (In our public |schools, etc.) | | |-- DavidC |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 17:06:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" , Subject: Re: Made a butterfly Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:31:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May7.83142.0> Precedence: bulk I also had a shop owner who point blank |lied to me about the availability of self teaching books and |videos..told me that none existed and lo and behold, later I found out |hat they did and had ( and I am anal retentive enough to have checked |the copyright dates to see if the stuff was around when I was told it |didnt exist...) and the only conclusion I could reach was that this |person did not want to risk missing out on getting my hard earned |do-re-mi flowing into her cash register...... | |Liz I bet that as long as crafts/glass/yarn/clothing/etc. has been around, that there is always some kind of instruction book for it, ya just got to look long enough, it might only be a few articles, or the words of a person doing it, or perhaps watching someone work in he craft and taking the time to watch their hands, it is amazing what you can learn without words being shared, only by using the words of sight,,, ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 18:25:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:50:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: It's not like riding a bike Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:48:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999May7.234838.0> Precedence: bulk I finally got to work on glass last night. It was the first time since before my surgery, it's been over a month. And I have to tell you it's NOT like riding a bike. I had such a hard time cutting that my grinder is going to work overtime. I guess I have to work my wrists and eyes a little harder. In actuality it felt really good to get back to glass. I missed it alot. This weekend I plan on catching up on all the mail, patterns and diamonds I have been putting off. Now that I am healthy I have no excuses. It's good to be back. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 7 21:28:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Subscribe Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:58:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May7.195828.0> Precedence: bulk Please add me to the list. Thanks, Tim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 03:22:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 02:24:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: mschatee@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: It's not like riding a bike Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 02:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May7.192259.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Caren welcome back! You will pick it back up soon. Rick --- mschatee@juno.com wrote: > I finally got to work on glass last night. It was > the first time since > before my surgery, it's been over a month. And I > have to tell you it's > NOT like riding a bike. I had such a hard time > cutting that my grinder > is going to work overtime. I guess I have to work > my wrists and eyes a > little harder. > In actuality it felt really good to get back to > glass. I missed it alot. > This weekend I plan on catching up on all the mail, > patterns and > diamonds I have been putting off. Now that I am > healthy I have no > excuses. It's good to be back. > > Caren > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free > Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at > http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 05:53:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 05:39:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Off playing - and now paying Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:17:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May7.171729.0> Precedence: bulk I've been gone for a few weeks, I went to Florida and on my departure discovered I was running a fever. By the time I got to Atlanta, it was 101 and I was hurting. Finally, after coming back I went to the doctor and have bronchitis. Ick. Anyway.... I was howling with laughter today as I was reading the Bungian's tactical rout of Gerald after his ill considered 'get a life' post. I subscribe to several other mailing lists and they can be considered flamable (dog breed/working dog related) for a guestimate total of 200 messages a day. I *must* say I've never seen a person get nuked with so much class, makes me proud to be a member . Paula Nelson uitland@glassdogstudio.com The Glass Dog Studio http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm vom Uitland Rottweilers http://www.glassdogstudio.com/uitland.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 08:26:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 07:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Hellooooo, Sandy Johnson Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 06:59:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May7.235928.0> Precedence: bulk Hiya Sandy, Was wondering if you had a working link to the www.artcatapet-online.com , I keep getting a connection not found message. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 08:47:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 07:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fourth Grade Class Question Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:08:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May8.388.0> Precedence: bulk I did not seperate the frit into type. Most of it was left over pieces of Spectrum, so was the white glass and the clear covering. However, there was a few colors I took, that I am sure was Wismach and Kokomo. I think because the squares were 1 inch square and the frit was very small, I had no ill effects. I have played myself with frit of varying compatibilities, and the worse effect I have seen, was some spider cracking across the area. The frit was probably large enough to call a shard though. The effect of the cracking actually added texture and I was pleased with the piece. I have not fused using different frit of varying COE's on a piece larger than 1 square foot. But I think the size of the frit is the reason I have succeeded with this. The only goof I had with the students was that one boy had piled his frit too high, I knocked off one piece of frit, so I could balance the clear piece on top, but when firing the clear glass slipped slightly off center. I was told if I would have checked by opening the kiln at 400 degrees I could have corrected this and then continued to ramp. We just made another one. My students wrote the cutest thank you notes to the local community college for lending us the small kiln. My principal told me I could possibly buy a small kiln next year out of activity funds. Several of the staff members wore their pins on Friday, so it has created quite a bit of interest in the school. Two teachers want to take classes next fall, especially if the school buys a kiln. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 09:33:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 09:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Why do glass for money? Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 10:28:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May8.42855.0> Precedence: bulk This is an open remark, not for any particular reason. I was thinking about why would someone want to do stained glass for money? What would I lose, what would I gain? I did some production work last summer to raise money to buy a kiln, and stupid me, I am doing some this summer to raise money to build a very large panel for the meditation room of our new hospital. But I really hate it --- the production work...not the stained glass! I would rather do things because I am inspired, and because it feels good! There used to be someone on bungi last summer who kept repeating, "don't quit your day job." I, of course, love my day job. 4th grade! I just received a shipment of 50 sheets of Kokomo on Thursday...I am so inspired, I see frit beading on my arms, I don't see goose bumps any more, I see everything in glass. cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 11:04:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Off playing - and now paying Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 10:08:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990508100806.0094acc0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999May7.171729.0>> Precedence: bulk At 10:17 PM 5/7/99 -0500, Paula Nelson wrote: > >Anyway.... I was howling with laughter today as I was reading the Bungian's >tactical rout of Gerald after his ill considered 'get a life' post. I >subscribe to several other mailing lists and they can be considered >flamable (dog breed/working dog related) for a guestimate total of 200 >messages a day. > >I *must* say I've never seen a person get nuked with so much class, makes >me proud to be a member . > I was out of town for that event, too. I also thought it was one of the finest community moments I've ever witnessed! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 11:20:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 09:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why do glass for money? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May12.23155.0> References: <<1999May8.42855.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk > There used to be someone on bungi last summer who kept repeating, "don't > quit your day job." I, of course, love my day job. 4th grade! I suppose the answer is that we are all different....for myself,I am with you...I dont want to do any of my creative little hobbies for money because that would take the enjoyment out of them for me, having to create on cue or make something that someone else has commisioned sounds much more like chore than relaxation...but then there are some people that that is EXACTLY what they want...if doing glass for money does not sound like fun to you then its NOT for you. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 11:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Fourth Grade Class Question Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 11:44:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May8.54430.0> Precedence: bulk I attached using E6000 glue and cheap broach backings from Wal-Mart. Someone suggested we make bolo ties for the men. And someone else suggested I make insects! Copper legs and antennae and shards. I think once I try this for a while, I should have a pretty good selection of projects to last a school year. I think my possibilities are endless. -----Original Message----- From: Michael + Janet Boucher To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Fourth Grade Class Question >Hi there. Thank you for your response. I was curious how you attached the pin >to the back - was it a simple broach (spelling) finding or did you one that had >adhesive. Thanks again for your help. > >Janet Boucher >Harmony Glassworks > >Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > >> I did not seperate the frit into type. Most of it was left over pieces of >> Spectrum, so was the white glass and the clear covering. However, there was >> a few colors I took, that I am sure was Wismach and Kokomo. I think because >> the squares were 1 inch square and the frit was very small, I had no ill >> effects. I have played myself with frit of varying compatibilities, and the >> worse effect I have seen, was some spider cracking across the area. The >> frit was probably large enough to call a shard though. The effect of the >> cracking actually added texture and I was pleased with the piece. I have >> not fused using different frit of varying COE's on a piece larger than 1 >> square foot. But I think the size of the frit is the reason I have >> succeeded with this. The only goof I had with the students was that one boy >> had piled his frit too high, I knocked off one piece of frit, so I could >> balance the clear piece on top, but when firing the clear glass slipped >> slightly off center. I was told if I would have checked by opening the kiln >> at 400 degrees I could have corrected this and then continued to ramp. We >> just made another one. >> >> My students wrote the cutest thank you notes to the local community college >> for lending us the small kiln. My principal told me I could possibly buy a >> small kiln next year out of activity funds. Several of the staff members >> wore their pins on Friday, so it has created quite a bit of interest in the >> school. Two teachers want to take classes next fall, especially if the >> school buys a kiln. >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 12:10:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bios Kaput Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:11:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May8.8110.0> Precedence: bulk I was ready to post the next 100 bios to the group. However, due to the tornadoes in OK, a huge wind came up in Texas and sucked all of the electrons out of my puter(... that's my story and I am sticking to it). So ya see Toby it isn't my fault... so put your fangs into a mutton chop and not Irish stew. Anyway for all of the lurkers and others that have not sent in your bios... now is the time to do it. Please send me your bios and I will post them each Saturday. BTW I have most of them and will send them to anyone that wants reading material for those private moments (The guys know what I am talking about). If anyone has requested them in the past and haven't received them.... send me an email and I'll resend. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 12:24:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Why do glass for money? Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:59:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May8.6590.0> Precedence: bulk "I was wondering if you would ever ask a painter....why paint for money? Or Tiffany , why do stained glass for money?"--- Well, I think I would ask any professional the difference. After all, it was just a philosophical question. I read in a book of poetry about love, that when you fall in love, you should decide what inside you are you willing to kill....Meaning that to love something also causes you to lose something, too. I know why people love glass, but what do you give up to do it for others? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 18:31:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 17:14:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: My first festival booth! Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 19:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May8.141517.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! Ok.... Today was the BIG day! The Fort Smith Scottish Club Festival & Games. (don't THAT just sound like a hick-fest?!?!) Anyway, I couldn't have asked for prettier weather. It was a gorgeous day. By the same token, I couldn't have asked for a worse booth space. (nor could I have received it!!) Seem's if you're polite and assume that good spaces are first come first serve, then they just figure you're not going to complain, and put the screws to you. Oh well... Lesson #1 learned... haggle hard for good booth space. I feel positive I could have sold more if they hadn't put me in my own seperate field at the end of nowhere! My booth was great! I purposely didn't put a top on it, cause I wanted the sun. Sure am glad I brought sunblock and umbrellas! *Bloody* hot out there when the sun beats down on ya! The turn out was ok... not great, but ok... lot's of other local yehaw-fest's this weekend to compete with. I FILLED my humble little booth with glass. I ranged it from $4.00 to $110.00. I sold about half of my stuff. I made $500.00. Now technically, the booth cost me $75.00, and of course there were my materials for the glass.... and all that labor, but for a first booth, I feel I recouped enough. I even had a lady order and pay for something, that I'll need to crank out and mail to her next week! (kewl!) I am so *exhausted* that I may not even eat, (yeah, likely that! HA!) but just go collapse into bed. PLEASE TELL ME THAT THIS GETS *EASIER* AND *LESS STRESSFUL* AS YOU DO MORE!!! I know that now I have an inventory base to add to, and the booth already built, so it should get easier. But part of me feels like I was just hammered around a bit by reality, and could easily see running back to 'hobby for pleasure only'! Maybe I'm just tired. :-) And GO FIGURE! I think I only sold ONE votive candle holder!!! I was shocked! I thought they'd be the only things that sold. The next shocker... the mobiles that I was sure I'd be bringing back home with me, went like hotcakes! Next time... I'm gonna have ALOT more mobiles! I had a lot of fun just talking to people. No hard sells, just being friendly and approchable. I had forgotten how much fun that could be. I had my roommate take some pics of me with my glass booth. (the proud proprietor!!) So when I get them developed, I'll put 'em on the web and send out a link in case anyone's interested in seein' em. Oh, and at the last minute, in all the stress of the morning, I decided to NOT wear my great-kilt, and instead make it a great-tablecloth. It worked well, but I didn't get to play Rob Roy Clampett this time. I certainly missed the breeze! Thanks for all the great advice y'all! Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 18:49:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 18:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rainbows-and-moonbeams.com!rhiannon From: rhiannon To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Unsuscribe Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990508210915.007b23b0@rainbows-and-moonbeams.com> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 19:37:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 18:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Thanks for the good thoughts Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:39:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999May9.13938.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for welcoming me back, actually I have been lurking all along, just not doing glass. My surgery (female stuff) went well and I am fine. I was at a church memorial service this morning for Hospice and I am slightly embarassed to say I didn't hear alot what was said, I was mesmorized by the stained glass windows. I guess that was my sign that I must get back into it. Whoever wrote about making glass for money... I can't sell anything. I have had many people ask to buy from me or commission me but I tell them no. I feel that if I HAVE TO make something it would take away the pleasure. I hate deadlines and I am such a perfectionist if someone was paying me I'd be even more neurotic than normal:-) SO if they don't know me well enough to get a gift from me they don't get it. The only problem with not selling is there is never money coming in for more supplies. I guess this differentiates us hobbyists from the professionals. This message is for Bud Britt. The diamonds we were talking about are actually quartz crystals, doubly terminated, only found in the county where I live in Upstate, NY. THey would look great as decorations on top of boxes. The patterns were jewish themed. Sorry to everyone for taking so long. I will get to it I promise. Thanks again everyone, it's really special being part of such an inspirational group like Bungi whether it's glass related or not. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 19:51:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 19:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usmo.com!sandyjoh From: "Sandy Johnson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: corrected url Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 21:01:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May8.16115.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry, Gang, must have "art" on the mind. the correct url for the fountain pumps is: www.arcatapet-online.com guess my fingers just automatically add an "t" when "ar" appear together! Sandy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 21:08:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:15:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May8.131551.0> Precedence: bulk If you ever figure out what the public will be buying the day you do your show, you will become VERY rich!!!!! You do not have to like it, JUST sell it. Patience, repetition, listening will get you far.....Aunt Martha used to do stained glass (one small project) and has a lot to tell you. Glad you feel it was a success.............Always a "rush" when someone actually BUYS something from you face to face. I have some very HUMBLE beginnings at "craft" shows and the Oregon State Fair as a "working craftsman" 12 days, 10 hours per day........One of my favorite "tricks" was to prescore a lot of window and when a "know-more-than-me old-timer told me how he "used" to cut glass with scissors, I would whip out a pre-score, put the scissors over the score and twist....it usually broke and followed the score line.....I do love setting up the public! One year of the fair, I had lots of interest in my work, many promises but no money in the till. The booth near me was selling dried flowers loose and in bouquets, and she had a $1,000+day selling her herbs and flowers and most of the sales were UNDER $5.00.......... Try showing lamps out doors at night without being able to have electricity, the Bellevue arts and crafts festival (or some such rot). The next night I made a deal with the gas station owner whose property was part of the show to let me use his power. I certainly drew a crowd and egotistically felt great. I handed out a lot of cards, and got two future commissions. I Had very lofty ideals, no junk, lamps starting at $45.00 and one 22" d/fly for an outrageous price of $5,000 (note: this was many years ago when my work was "cheap"). Many kudos and praise for my work, but the restaurant and motel wanted cash for payment of my bill. Have faith, figure it as learning experience, and decide if it is better than a "real job". As an earlier post alluded to me, if you are not ready to commit, DON'T GIVE UP YOUR DAY JOB! just play at it and have fun. It may qualify as cheap entertainment, with a small profit at the end. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 21:25:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: herkimer Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May8.13260.0> Precedence: bulk A few million years ago, we left the east coast and in our travels, went to up-state NY. We paid money to mine (sweat and break rocks) to find herkimer diamonds, what a gimmick! Through my contacts (galleries and a few high end stores) and my wife weaving in a Judaic theme, she has been approached many times for fiber art with no prices asked. She weaves only for love and for loved ones and has no desire to sell. I cringe at the lost opportunities.........Each to their own! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 21:37:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 23:31:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May8.193119.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, I am planning a trip to Philadelphia PA, toward the end of June and was hoping some of the Bungi crowd could point me in the correct direction of some must see Stained Glass in the area. I remember reading about some places, a while back that someone had posted. I would appreciate any info that I can get. Thanks in advance, Tim Byrnes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 22:13:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 21:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com To: gecko@ipa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 23:02:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <1999582321279961@ix.netcom.com> Precedence: bulk YEAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! Go BLAKE!!! I'm soooo happy for you! You're not kiddin it was hot...I wore a skirt and was too hot. I really wish I could have made it over there today. I cant wait to see the pictures. Congratulations....Did you give out lots of business cards? After today...I'm afraid I will die of heatstroke in my workshop this summer. It got hot in there...and its gonna get 20-30 degrees hotter!!!! :o/ And it already felt humid. This was a one day show right? Man you lucked out on the weather! That is wonderful! T Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 23:40:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 21:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 00:48:05 -0000 Message-ID: <199905090448.AAA05206@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/9/99 12:14 AM Blake, Wayne, & Susan gecko@ipa.net Hey Blake, Congratulations! You done good for your first craft fair. $500 in sales is extraordinarily good considering your price range. And selling half your stuff...that is really a good day. Yes, it gets much less stressful as you get used to the routine. Easier? Not really, there's still all that lugging and hauling. You may want to have a helper, someone to lug for you and relieve you so you can have a few breaks. You can Never figure out what the public wants at any time, or place. It changes from place to place and time to time. Just have a good variety. Votive candles sell better in the fall and winter, when people are inside (of course I'm in Penna., maybe y'all are outside all year?) You might want to try larger holders for outside patio candles. Remember Christie predicted mobiles would be "hot" this year? Guess you proved her right. This year we've been selling a lot of dragonflies & butterflies, both hanging and on a stake for the garden. Fairies are popular but pricey. I've developed a line of fruit suncatchers that go well for people's kitchens, and little animals ("I must get that frog for Uncle Ed, he collects frogs.) It's amazing how many people collect certain things. I took Arnold's hint and made several memo pads with paper & pencil holders, thinking of all the home offices, but they are slow sellers. Mirrors are popular too. The fan pulls draw a lot of attention but no sales so far. Anyway, glad you enjoyed yourself. And that you took your sunblock. I forgot mine and my nose is peeling. Thanks for sharing! Keep us informed of your next show (will there BE a next show?) Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 8 23:51:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 May 1999 22:12:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 01:05:38 -0000 Message-ID: <199905090506.BAA06116@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/9/99 3:30 AM Tim Byrnes tbyrnes@iconn.net >Hi Folks, >I am planning a trip to Philadelphia PA, toward the end of June and was >hoping some of the Bungi crowd could point me in the correct direction >of some must see Stained Glass in the area. I remember reading about >some places, a while back that someone had posted. > I would appreciate any info that I can get. >Thanks in advance, >Tim Byrnes Tim, The Curtis Building in the historic Independence Hall area (around 6th-7th and Walnut, I believe) has a fantastic Tiffany mosaic that will knock your socks off - it's the whole length of an enormous room. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 05:45:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 04:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: gecko@ipa.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 07:21:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May9.32119.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the read....it is encouraging to hear of good sales despite the booth local. One given, for sure, is that shows are never predictable. What sells at the Scottish festival may not go well at the Spring fest. But one thing I am learning is that original designs (as opposed to familiar patterns) seem to attract more attention. There is one exception, butterflys, hummingbirds, dragonfly stuff, etc. seem to always sell. I guess because they signify such innocent, harmless, beautiful things.......Looking forward to seeing your pictures. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 05:59:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 04:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Tim Byrnes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:00:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May9.4041.0> References: <<1999May8.193119.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Tim, Glass schmass. Do you want me to see if I can round up some usual Bungi suspects for dinner or something? There are a bunch of us from around these parts. Are you making a side trip up to Allentown, too? Hilary Tim Byrnes wrote: > Hi Folks, > I am planning a trip to Philadelphia PA, toward the end of June and was > hoping some of the Bungi crowd could point me in the correct direction > of some must see Stained Glass in the area. I remember reading about > some places, a while back that someone had posted. > I would appreciate any info that I can get. > Thanks in advance, > Tim Byrnes > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 07:20:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Tim Byrnes Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May9.43131.0> References: <<1999May8.193119.0>> Precedence: bulk Remind me to check the status of the Tiffany mosaic mural in the lobby of the old Curtis Publishing house. First those rascals said they wouldn't sell, lately I've heard they would. If it's still there you'll be mighty impressed. Curtis published the Saturday Evening Post. Maxfield Parrish did a zillion covers for them, plus this mural design. The colors are subtle and glowing. Synagogues, due to the prohibition of the use of graven images, tend to have some very interesting glass. The one at 18th and Spruce jumps into my mind, as does the Reform Temple Beth Elohim, in the western suburbs. It's been years since I visited the latter, so I don't want to embarass myself by stating what famous painter I **think*** designed the windows. If you take Old York Road north from the city there are several more flavors of shul within a few miles, each with its own personality, including one designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, which I haven't visited, but he had a taste for glass so I'm guessing it holds something good. The building itself if spectacular and worth at least a drive-by, if you can't spare time for one of the formal tours they offer. Back in the city, the Calvary Methodist Church at 48th and Baltimore claims the huge windows are Tiffanies. From driving by the outside I'd say if they are not genuine, they are certainly in the style. What else? Hmmm, let us not forget our own Christie Wood and her modern mural in Children's Hospital. If you have time to get pretty far out into the country go visit her shop where you can see her panels (as shown on her website) plus the work of Suzanne Albright. If you are really lucky you'll meet not only Christie but our own Sparks. Who has info on Judith Schachter? If you can figure where she is showing, she practices the old cathedral style of figurative painting on some disturbing, thought-provoking images. While her work doesn't physically resemble "The Scream," that is the emotion I'm coming up with, thinking about it. Next! Let's here from everybody around PHL. pj friend will be too modest to tell use where her studio's work is situated, so I'm hoping somebody else with the facts will speak up. All the best, Mary On Sat, 8 May 1999, Tim Byrnes wrote: > Hi Folks, > I am planning a trip to Philadelphia PA, toward the end of June and was > hoping some of the Bungi crowd could point me in the correct direction > of some must see Stained Glass in the area. I remember reading about > some places, a while back that someone had posted. > I would appreciate any info that I can get. > Thanks in advance, > Tim Byrnes > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 08:19:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:41:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:37:59 EDT Message-ID: <1999May9.143759.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/9/99 2:41:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, suzy@ComCAT.COM writes: << Congratulations! You done good for your first craft fair. $500 in sales is extraordinarily good considering your price range. And selling half your stuff...that is really a good day. >> I think he did great!! :) At my last ( and I do mean last ) show I only sold $10. Oh everyone kept tell me how wonderful everything was and many told me I had the best booth there but no sells. :( Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 09:51:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: WVa Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 09:46:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May9.4467.0> Precedence: bulk A while back there was a thread regarding glass factories in West Virginia (both sides of my 'tree' hail from Huntington and east). I was looking thru some pictures I found bagged yesterday cleaning out a desk... they weren't mine, they turned out to be my parents (both gone now). I found a post card from The Village Gallery in Huntington that features Roberto Moretti working molten glass. Also with that postcard, I found a sales receipt for one of his pieces, a glass owl that must have bitten the dust somewhere along the line. Paula Nelson - ICQ# 1245141 uitland@glassdogstudio.com The Glass Dog Studio http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm vom Uitland Rottweilers http://www.glassdogstudio.com/uitland.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 10:04:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 11:41:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May9.74145.0> References: <<1999May8.141517.0>> Precedence: bulk Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: > Hi all!...FILLED my humble little booth with glass. I ranged it from $4.00 to > > $110.00. I sold about half of my stuff. I made $500.00. Now technically, > the booth cost me $75.00, and of course there were my materials for the > glass.... and all that labor, but for a first booth, I feel I recouped > enough. I even had a lady order and pay for something, that I'll need to > crank out and mail to her next week! (kewl!) > > I am so *exhausted* that I may not even eat, (yeah, likely that! HA!) but > just go collapse into bed. > PLEASE TELL ME THAT THIS GETS *EASIER* AND *LESS STRESSFUL* AS YOU DO > MORE!!! ...And GO FIGURE! I think I only sold ONE votive candle holder!!! I > was > shocked! I thought they'd be the only things that sold. The next > shocker... the mobiles that I was sure I'd be bringing back home with me, > went like hotcakes! Next time... I'm gonna have ALOT more mobiles! ... Rule #1 Whatever they wanted at one show, they won't want at another. Once did a show on Saturday where we sold out of butterflies. Stayed up half the night to make some butterflies for the Sunday show...sold not a one. Here's an important rule that I rarely tell...after a few hours at a show...particularly on the SECOND day of a two day show...use the handicapped porta potty. It'll be lots cleaner. Quite frankly, it sounds like you did quite well. (I had a rainy day craft fair yesterday, and I've had a cold. We did okay considering the weather...) Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 10:15:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Patina Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 10:27:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May9.52728.0> Precedence: bulk >One notable exception: if you're going for a really ***BLACK*** patina. I did >a repair a while back on a small lampshade with that really black patina and >tried what someone had suggested not too long before, applying the patina >carefully to keep it as much on the solder as possible (to avoid discoloring >the glass), not rubbing it at all, and leaving it for a couple of hours. Okay. Black always turns out to go chocolate and it's driving me nuts... can someone tell me what is >that really black patina< you refer to? Paula Nelson - ICQ# 1245141 uitland@glassdogstudio.com The Glass Dog Studio http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm vom Uitland Rottweilers http://www.glassdogstudio.com/uitland.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 10:28:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:03:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May9.8341.0> Precedence: bulk I've been wanting to come up with a couple new patterns for cheap suncatchers ($10-$15)other than my old standbys. Well, Tuesday I started this cold at work and was running a slight fever by the time I got home. I napped, got up, made a sandwich, crawled back into bed. I woke up at 3 am, very congested and "seeing" a little flower pattern. So I got up for more decongestant and started sketching. (Husband comes wandering downstairs "Are you all right?") We made four of the new flowers (not that night!), sold two of them this weekend. I also drew up a morning dove (which won't be too cheap). Sometimes I like to type up a little infomation about the things I made, so I was looking around the Internet for info on morning doves and found mostly hunting regulations (Yeah, I do have what I need). Now..I have a request for stained glass crop circles.... Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 10:57:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 09:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:37:45 -0000 Message-ID: <199905091638.MAA12257@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/9/99 2:36 PM PDRUSS@aol.com PDRUSS@aol.com > >I think he did great!! :) > >At my last ( and I do mean last ) show I only sold $10. Oh everyone kept >tell >me how wonderful everything was and many told me I had the best booth there >but no sells. :( Dianne, That happens to me sometimes too! Go figure. Don't let it discourage you - there are many shows with buyers. You just need to find the right ones. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 11:04:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 09:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!nbg3755 From: Nancy B Gildersleeve To: gecko@ipa.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May9.52032.0> Precedence: bulk Congratulations on a good first show. I don't think $500 in sales is shabby at all for an entry fee of $75. If you had taken the same items around to stores and sold them wholesale you would have come home with $250, not $425 for the same amount of work. Then, of course, the store does the selling part of the job. It does get easier to do shows as you do more of them. You've got to figure in the costs of spending a weekend selling, not making things and also the wear and tear on you and your vehicle while you get to the show, unload, set up and pack up etc at the end. It gets to the point of not being worth it when you have to pay for overnight lodging, food, etc. Lots of folks who do this for a living live out of their vans like gypsies. If you concentrate on the good shows in your immediate area you'll make a better profit at it. Its also always hard to know what people will buy or whether they will be in a mood to spend money. Just before Mother's Day or in the fall there are more buyers; just after April 15 is a BAD time to show. When you do the next show with lots of mobiles everyone will ask for your candle holders! I lived in Fayetteville 25 years ago and did the show at War Eagle a couple of times as a weaver; look into getting in to that one if you can. It has (had) a wide reputation as a good show and had serious shoppers. Artists would work all year and sell out at that one fall weekend. Good luck and keep trying--if you enjoy meeting people and showing them your wares try a few more shows before you get discouraged. Nancy G in FL ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 11:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 09:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:47:03 -0000 Message-ID: <199905091647.MAA12859@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/9/99 12:30 PM maruca@netaxs.com maruca@netaxs.com > >Remind me to check the status of the Tiffany mosaic mural in the lobby of >the old Curtis Publishing house. Yes it's still there! Definitely worth a visit. > Another one jumped into my mind. The headquarters of the Swedenborgian Church is located in a tiny village called Bryn Athyn, north of Philadelphia. A cathedral with many wonderful stained glass windows, and the story of that little community and its founder (Emanuel Swedenborg) is fascinating. Tours are available. > >What else? Hmmm, let us not forget our own Christie Wood and her modern >mural in Children's Hospital. If you have time to get pretty far out into >the country go visit her shop where you can see her panels (as shown on >her website) plus the work of Suzanne Albright. If you are really lucky >you'll meet not only Christie but our own Sparks. It's in Skippack, on Rt. 73 west of the city. A fun little touristy village, lots to see. On June 19 there will be an arts festival there which I may be in, or not, depending on the jury's decision. >Next! Let's here from everybody around PHL. pj friend will be too modest >to tell use where her studio's work is situated, so I'm hoping somebody >else with the facts will speak up. Haddonfield, New Jersey, another charming little town. Not too far from Phila. >On Sat, 8 May 1999, Tim Byrnes wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> I am planning a trip to Philadelphia PA, toward the end of June and was >> hoping some of the Bungi crowd could point me in the correct direction >> of some must see Stained Glass in the area. I remember reading about >> some places, a while back that someone had posted. >> I would appreciate any info that I can get. >> Thanks in advance, >> Tim Byrnes >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 12:29:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May9.93147.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" >And GO FIGURE! I think I only sold ONE votive candle holder!!! I was shocked! I thought they'd be the only things that sold. The next shocker... the mobiles that I was sure I'd be bringing back home with me,= went like hotcakes! Next time... I'm gonna have ALOT more mobiles! I ha= d a lot of fun just talking to people. No hard sells, just being friendly an= d approchable. I had forgotten how much fun that could be.< Candle-related items never sell well in the spring or summer. They are perceived as fall/winter items. So it's not suprising to me that your votive candle holders did not sell at this spring show. However, mobiles are Excellent year-round. Point is, it's probably not that the folk wouldn't have purchased your candle holders - it was just at the wrong time of the year for them to be thinking of them. Congratulations on your booth and your show. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 12:42:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:08:43 EDT Message-ID: <1999May9.18843.0> References: <<1999May8.141517.0>> Precedence: bulk Sounds like a success to me. Boy would I have loved to see those sunburned legs in the kilt:-) What a sight that would have been! Congratulations on your first. I don't sell glass but a few years ago I had a jewelry business and did the craft show circuit. It does get easier and easier. But don't ever expect to sell a lot of something. Because what ever you think will sell big in a certain place it is guaranteed that something different will go. Setting up and taking down gets more organized and easier too. That was always the worst part. Take lots of pictures because someday they will ask for pictures of your booth when you apply for a show. Good luck in the next one. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 12:53:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:11:16 EDT Message-ID: <1999May9.181116.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/9/99 10:21:55 AM, maruca@netaxs.com writes: >Synagogues, due to the prohibition of the use of graven images, tend to >have some very interesting glass. The one at 18th and Spruce jumps into >my mind, as does the Reform Temple Beth Elohim, in the western suburbs. I've been in Beth Zion-Beth Israel, the one at 18th and Spruce, which actually used to be a church of some sort (Protestant but I forget what brand). Don't remember much about the windows though. OTOH, there are three very interesting synagogues in Elkins Park, up route 611 just outside the city limits to the north. I forget which one has windows by Ben Shahn, I think one may have a Chagall window, and of course there's Frank Lloyd Wright's famous (or infamous?) Temple Beth Shalom, which looks to me for all the world like the *real* Temple of Doom from an Indiana Jones movie. Ardmore Presbyterian Church (out my way on the Main Line) has a lot of terrific stained glass, including a genuine Tiffany sunset in the chapel. There's a LaFarge set in the sanctuary of the Samuel Fleisher Art Memorial in south Philly. Speaking of south Philly, there are at least a half-dozen glass-and-mirror mosaics covering full end walls of row houses in the area. I forget who the artist in charge of those was, it's somebody local who's still around. Over in the northwest, in the Manayunk section of town (I think), there's a hot-glass shop that gives tours; you can watch the artists at work (from a safe distance, of course!). There's more....... I'll post them as they come to mind...... I'm sure Christie knows a lot more that I don't........... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 13:10:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: The Parrish/Tiffany mosaic, was Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:17:02 EDT Message-ID: <1999May9.18172.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/9/99 10:21:55 AM, maruca@netaxs.com writes: >First those rascals said they wouldn't sell, lately I've heard they would. >If it's still there you'll be mighty impressed. Last I heard (a while back), the local powers-that-be were working really hard to have the piece declared a historical treasure/landmark/Very Important Thing, so it *couldn't* be removed or otherwise messed with. I don't know what the status of that is at the moment, but I hope they succeed! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 14:35:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Hobby Glass, Non-Professional Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:15:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199905092038.UAA32494@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Beacause there just has been soooooo much to do these last couple of months.... I have had to become a "lurker", taking it all in, .... yet restricting myself very severely as regards replies. Heyyy Budd, You are OK. I too, enjoy what you have to contribute I too recognize the sincerity in what you are saying. Keep on going, says I.You are OK. I would like to think that ther4e would be an opportunity to meet up with you when I come to USA in August. I realize your restrictions and restraints. I enjoy your input - so don't allow anyomne to intimidate you. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Vic wrote: > > I for one am glad you have "re-subbed". > > I will also tell you that the concern for quality is very much a > "professional business practice", even if it seems to have fallen out of > fashion these days. That is also the impression I received from most of the > professionals on this list. > > Like you glass is something I play/work with/in. It is not a source of > income. What it is is much more important than that. My commissions have > rarely been accepted with a time constraint and were always based on an > acceptable quality of workmanship. > Even my "play pieces" (those first attempts that aren't quite right") need > to be acceptable before they leave the workshop. > > Don't sell yourself short. Successful is measured in money; professional is > measured by a much tougher standard. You give the impression of someone who > has a professional bend and I doubt that I am the only one to tell you. As > for what you have left of a brain/mind... You have managed to do more, > despite a very legitimate excuse, than most people ever accomplish. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 14:58:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:15:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199905092038.UAA32512@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Aha, May I modestly remind folks, that Emmanuel Swedenborg was Swedish.... What a Swedenborg church is doing in Philadelphia area, I am still to find out about.... Fascinating. As I understand it, there is a whole Swedish colony out there in/around Philadelphia, Delaware area. I will enjoy very much picking up the flavour of it when I come over. As regards Sparks, I don't think I will break any major confidences in revealing that she will be over in UK early July and that I am very much looking forward to it . Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK # Suzanne Albright wrote: > Another one jumped into my mind. The headquarters of the Swedenborgian > Church is located in a tiny village called Bryn Athyn, north of > Philadelphia. A cathedral with many wonderful stained glass windows, and > the story of that little community and its founder (Emanuel Swedenborg) > is fascinating. Tours are available. > > > >What else? Hmmm, let us not forget our own Christie Wood and her modern > >mural in Children's Hospital. If you have time to get pretty far out into > >the country go visit her shop where you can see her panels (as shown on > >her website) plus the work of Suzanne Albright. If you are really lucky > >you'll meet not only Christie but our own Sparks. > It's in Skippack, on Rt. 73 west of the city. A fun little touristy > village, lots to see. On June 19 there will be an arts festival there > which I may be in, or not, depending on the jury's decision. > > >Next! Let's here from everybody around PHL. pj friend will be too modest > >to tell use where her studio's work is situated, so I'm hoping somebody > >else with the facts will speak up. > Haddonfield, New Jersey, another charming little town. Not too far from > Phila. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 15:41:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:25:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May9.112531.0> Precedence: bulk >Now..I have a request for stained glass crop circles.... >Dorothy Now I *HAVE* to see the finished product on this one!!! Somehow, crop circles are simply not something that I ever envisioned as beautiful rendered in glass! If you pull this one off... they you are the Atist! (Arteeest!) Good luck! Blake :-) P.S. - HMmmmm, well now you've got me thinking, (and that IS a dangerous thing), perhaps Stonehenge in glass. I'll get back with you when I figure it out! (hahhaha) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 15:53:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:08:41 EDT Message-ID: <1999May9.22841.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/9/99 2:05:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nbg3755@juno.com writes: << I lived in Fayetteville 25 years ago and did the show at War Eagle a couple of times as a weaver; look into getting in to that one if you can. It has (had) a wide reputation as a good show and had serious shoppers. Artists would work all year and sell out at that one fall weekend. >> We went to the Shrimp Festival here last weekend (not to sell) & there were something like 300 crafts booths there----lots of glass too. There were a lot of people there in a tiny area, I wondered how much art was lost to thieves and breakage. Do you tend to get breakage from traveling, packing & unpacking or the customers? Dianne Jacksonvillle, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 18:09:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: The Parrish/Tiffany mosaic, was Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:22:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May9.142210.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Witchdoc3@aol.com >Last I heard (a while back), the local powers-that-be were working reall= y = hard to have the piece declared a historical treasure/landmark/Very Important = Thing, so it *couldn't* be removed or otherwise messed with. I don't know= = what the status of that is at the moment, but I hope they succeed!< As of last week both sides had presented their cases to the judge. We are all awaiting the verdict...does it stay or go. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 18:31:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 16:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May9.152545.0> References: <<1999May9.181116.0>> Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 May 1999 Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > > OTOH, there are three very interesting synagogues in Elkins Park, up route > 611 just outside the city limits to the north. I forget which one has windows > by Ben Shahn, I think one may have a Chagall window, and of course there's > Frank Lloyd Wright's famous (or infamous?) Temple Beth Shalom, which looks to > me for all the world like the *real* Temple of Doom from an Indiana Jones > movie. > FWIW: Old York Road = Rt. 611. We are discussing the same shuls. > > Speaking of south Philly, there are at least a half-dozen glass-and-mirror > mosaics covering full end walls of row houses in the area. I forget who the > artist in charge of those was, it's somebody local who's still around. > Isaiah (aih? hai? ahi? just kidding!) Zagar is most certainly still around and making gorgeous out-there murals. Stop by the Eyes (IZ, get it?) Gallery a few doors west of Fourth and South and ask where the patriarch is working that day. My very favorite of all his work is the way he gift wrapped the entire Painted Bride Art Center at 230 Vine. > Over in the northwest, in the Manayunk section of town (I think), there's a > hot-glass shop that gives tours; you can watch the artists at work (from a > safe distance, of course!). > Hot Soup in Old City is another hot glass studio. They have demos every First Friday (when all the galleries have mass openings). Don't know about in between. m ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 18:58:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:48:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass-henge, was Re: The effects of a fever... Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:20:04 EDT Message-ID: <1999May10.0204.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach the laddie in the Great Kilt: >P.S. - HMmmmm, well now you've got me thinking, (and that IS a dangerous >thing), perhaps Stonehenge in glass. I'll get back with you when I figure >it out! (hahhaha) Build it out of dalle-de-verre, perhaps? And the crop circles would have to be roundels of some sort, maybe uranium glass........... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 19:11:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:24:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May9.172420.0> Precedence: bulk Judith Schachter's work can be found in the Syderman Gallery on Third Street in Olde City. They represent her. The Liberty Museum is really a neat place to go if you get a chance. 325 Chestnut Street. They were waiting on a Chihuily maybe its in place by now. Not only is the museum educational it has some interesting hot glass. And the Liberty Metal. And some interesting stained glass. I was trying to think of some of our work that is in the city. A home on 7th and Spruce. At the corner you can see the work. Without contacting the owner. We are doing a brownstone on Broad Street. In fact the Discovery channel will be shooting us on Tuesday for this one. Probably will air in the fall. I don't recall any monumental work of ours that is public spaces in Philadelphia. I think there is a meditation window in one of the hospitals. But only ten miles from there we have a synagogue, a place called the Mansion, two outdoor sculptures , one at the Katz Community Center and one in the Jewish Geriatric Center, a couple of churches and probably tons of other work that would be accessible. Our studio is about ten miles from Philadelphia. In Cherry Hill not Haddonfield....although there are some pretty impression Tiffany windows in the Presbyterian Church in Haddonfield.....and we did a few windows in the Episcopal church there also. You can pick up the PATCO speedline on Market Street and be in Haddonfield in twenty minutes. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Tim Byrnes Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Stained glass/Philadelphia > >Remind me to check the status of the Tiffany mosaic mural in the lobby of >the old Curtis Publishing house. > >First those rascals said they wouldn't sell, lately I've heard they would. >If it's still there you'll be mighty impressed. Curtis published the >Saturday Evening Post. Maxfield Parrish did a zillion covers for them, >plus this mural design. The colors are subtle and glowing. > >Synagogues, due to the prohibition of the use of graven images, tend to >have some very interesting glass. The one at 18th and Spruce jumps into my >mind, as does the Reform Temple Beth Elohim, in the western suburbs. It's >been years since I visited the latter, so I don't want to embarass myself >by stating what famous painter I **think*** designed the windows. If you >take Old York Road north from the city there are several more flavors of >shul within a few miles, each with its own personality, including one >designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, which I haven't visited, but he had a >taste for glass so I'm guessing it holds something good. The building >itself if spectacular and worth at least a drive-by, if you can't spare >time for one of the formal tours they offer. > >Back in the city, the Calvary Methodist Church at 48th and Baltimore >claims the huge windows are Tiffanies. From driving by the outside I'd >say if they are not genuine, they are certainly in the style. > >What else? Hmmm, let us not forget our own Christie Wood and her modern >mural in Children's Hospital. If you have time to get pretty far out into >the country go visit her shop where you can see her panels (as shown on >her website) plus the work of Suzanne Albright. If you are really lucky >you'll meet not only Christie but our own Sparks. > >Who has info on Judith Schachter? If you can figure where she is showing, >she practices the old cathedral style of figurative painting on some >disturbing, thought-provoking images. While her work doesn't physically >resemble "The Scream," that is the emotion I'm coming up with, thinking >about it. > >Next! Let's here from everybody around PHL. pj friend will be too modest >to tell use where her studio's work is situated, so I'm hoping somebody >else with the facts will speak up. > >All the best, > >Mary > > > > >On Sat, 8 May 1999, Tim Byrnes wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> I am planning a trip to Philadelphia PA, toward the end of June and was >> hoping some of the Bungi crowd could point me in the correct direction >> of some must see Stained Glass in the area. I remember reading about >> some places, a while back that someone had posted. >> I would appreciate any info that I can get. >> Thanks in advance, >> Tim Byrnes >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 19:51:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!nbg3755 From: Nancy B Gildersleeve To: gecko@ipa.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:19:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May9.141940.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks, Wayne-- Don't hesitate to ask me more questions. I've been doing this (selling jewelry and glass) in a quasi- serious way for the last 6 years and this year gave up the "day job" to try in earnest. I'm still doing shows in the immediate area only (except for one each year in Tallahassee which requires an overnight stay) and I'm trying to find stores which will take my offerings. Gainesville, FL is a college town like Fayetteville, AR and has many appreciative would be "customers" who often don't have money to buy big ticket items. The show in Tallahassee has buyers who'll spend 15% more per item without questioning the price. I think I need to fine a different market--I'd like to find outlets in larger cities (like Atlanta) but don't quite know how to procede with this. I think I need an agent to do the selling; I'd much rather make things than sell them. Does anyone on the bungi list have any ideas on how to procede? Someone once told me that to exhibit at the Atlanta gift show might obligate you to fill more orders than one person could complete; I don't think I'm ready (or inclined) to be a true production jewelry/glass artist. Wayne--Fayetteville was a neat place to live and I remember it fondly. It had the perfect climate and those beautiful White Mountains to the south where we used to rent an old CCC cabin in the National Forest. We'd encounter black bears on the trails and sometimes on the porch! I'd love to come back to Arkansas. Nancy G in FL ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 20:04:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!nbg3755 From: Nancy B Gildersleeve To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: My first festival booth! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:59:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May9.135932.0> Precedence: bulk I've never had a problem with people taking things--I've done the big Spring Arts Festival in Gainesville the last few years with no trouble. I think "good" shows attract serious customers and not folks there for the taking. I do keep a careful watch on my booth and keep the money under the table. I have a lot of little things like earrings and have lost some to wind--my old display would blow over too easily. If you take your time packing breakage should be minimal. You can't predict the weather when you send in your $ for a show--its always a gamble whether you'll come out well ahead or break even. Nancy G ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 20:25:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: dlr@above.net (Dave Rand), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-90991982-3089 Subject: NG Re: Hmm... & a test Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May9.153644.0> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-90991982-3089 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Dave, first thank you for taking "valuable time" to respond back to me.. Bungi Group. this is a test to see if I can respond back to you, the address I am using, is not "subscribed " to Bungi.. The situation is that at home, I have the PC (address, 3hounds@usaor.net) which I am subscribed to Bungi, and this PC I do not use. George forwards the Bungi mail to work, so while I am in the dark, filming drawings, I can enjoy all of you and your information and personalities, and this has been very pleasant. A few times I tried to respond back at work as "forward" but the members of Bungi said it was garbled (old PC,there) For Christmas, George bought me WEB TV.. This is my leisure e mail correspondance, (and how much leisure time do we have :>) ) but if I subscribed to Bungi by it, and did not clear daily, very quickly, the messages are bounced back to Glenna (WEB only holds so much) and Glenna thinks I am not interested and I am disconnected ( this happened, already, but Glenna and I did not know that WEB held only so many, Glenna reconnected me immediately).. So, Dave told me I can respond to Bungi from the WEB TV address.. This may also help others, who have more than 1 PC and location to send/reply to. Dave, thank you again. Bungi, hope I have not inconvenienced you. Gloria @ stainglasborzoi@webtv.net and Gloria and George @ 3hounds@usaor.net --WebTV-Mail-90991982-3089 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by postoffice-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA08332; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via sendmail with stdio id for stainglasborzoi@webtv.net; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) Message-Id: From: dlr@above.net (Dave Rand) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:03:06 PDT In-Reply-To: GLORIA DRAG's message on May 5, 20:06. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.1 5/02/90) To: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) Subject: Re: Hmm... [In the message entitled "Re: Hmm..." on May 5, 20:06, GLORIA DRAG writes:] > > --WebTV-Mail-1418906366-182 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Okay, the question is basically this.. > If I reply directly to bungi,com from an address that is not "subsribed" > to bungi.com, can my replies/questions, be read and replied to bungi.com > members. Yes, you can. I've written the filters so that you specifically can do this. Depending on what the message contains, though, it may be rejected by the spam filters. Drop me a message if you see messages being dropped in the future. -- Dave Rand CTO, Above.net NASDAQ: ABOV --WebTV-Mail-90991982-3089-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 20:46:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Family Account" , Subject: Re: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:10:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May9.121026.0> Precedence: bulk Here's a link to Crop Circle Central, 1999 Image base http://www.interalpha.net/customer/pvigay/DBase/1999.html Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 10:34 AM Subject: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained |I've been wanting to come up with a couple new patterns for cheap |suncatchers ($10-$15)other than my old standbys. Well, Tuesday I |started this cold at work and was running a slight fever by the time I |got home. I napped, got up, made a sandwich, crawled back into bed. I |woke up at 3 am, very congested and "seeing" a little flower pattern. |So I got up for more decongestant and started sketching. (Husband comes |wandering downstairs "Are you all right?") We made four of the new |flowers (not that night!), sold two of them this weekend. | |I also drew up a morning dove (which won't be too cheap). Sometimes I |like to type up a little infomation about the things I made, so I was |looking around the Internet for info on morning doves and found mostly |hunting regulations (Yeah, I do have what I need). | |Now..I have a request for stained glass crop circles.... | |Dorothy | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 20:52:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:51:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Toby" , Subject: Re: Hobby Glass, Non-Professional Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May9.123144.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Toby, Well, if you are coming to the west coast, in the L.A. Area to do a class on the E-Tour (is Elisabeth the one doing the tour, I think I read that here on Bungi). Last time I checked the E-Tour page, the close'est one was in Washington, if I remember correctly. Been working on some more side facing angel suncatchers for the bookstore, trying to do a batch of five, been working on them for two days off and on now, spent part of yesterday building a storage bench, and sorted through all the handrolled glass and machine glass, and tried to get it into the racks by colors, did pretty good, although running out of space again. So far, from the stuff in the bookstore, both butterflys have sold, the one with 90 some pieces took a little longer to go, only it left yesterday, 5 angels have left, and all that is left is 5 little flying angels. And got orders for 2 teddy bears, a giraffe, 6 angels of various designs, a tree of life sidelight panel, a Large butterfly box (I think it is to store a religious book in, it's for a Jewish Rabbi). Wished that the E-Tour was coming to L.A., I would like to learn about Leaded glass, got about a half a box full of lead came/zinc came/steel bracing from a hotglass artist the other day, the box is about 8 feet long, 5 inches wide, and 4 inches deep. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 02:49 PM Subject: RE: Hobby Glass, Non-Professional |Hi All, |Beacause there just has been soooooo much to do these last couple of |months.... I have had to become a "lurker", taking it all in, .... |yet restricting myself very severely as regards replies. |Heyyy Budd, You are OK. I too, enjoy what you have to contribute |I too recognize the sincerity in what you are saying. Keep on going, |says I.You are OK. |I would like to think that ther4e would be an opportunity to meet up |with you when I come to USA in August. I realize your restrictions |and restraints. |I enjoy your input - so don't allow anyomne to intimidate you. | |Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK | |Vic wrote: | |> |> I for one am glad you have "re-subbed". |> |> I will also tell you that the concern for quality is very much a |> "professional business practice", even if it seems to have fallen out of |> fashion these days. That is also the impression I received from most of the |> professionals on this list. |> |> Like you glass is something I play/work with/in. It is not a source of |> income. What it is is much more important than that. My commissions have |> rarely been accepted with a time constraint and were always based on an |> acceptable quality of workmanship. |> Even my "play pieces" (those first attempts that aren't quite right") need |> to be acceptable before they leave the workshop. |> |> Don't sell yourself short. Successful is measured in money; professional is |> measured by a much tougher standard. You give the impression of someone who |> has a professional bend and I doubt that I am the only one to tell you. As |> for what you have left of a brain/mind... You have managed to do more, |> despite a very legitimate excuse, than most people ever accomplish. |> |---- |As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" |North Lights Stained Glass - homepage |http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm |---- |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 21:03:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Family Account" , Subject: Links to Crop Circles Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:00:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May9.1300.0> Precedence: bulk I too am on the look out for new input for designs, here are some links that I found. http://www.head-space.org/circlemakers/ above looks like fantastic page, its got hidden click area's ;-) plus its the best found so far, and it's pretty darned great. http://www.paradigmshift.com/sight.html http://www.tpoint.net/~mchorost/homepage/circles/circles_biblio.html http://www.bogo.co.uk/etheric/home.html Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt To: Family Account ; glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 07:10 PM Subject: Re: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained |Here's a link to Crop Circle Central, 1999 Image base | |http://www.interalpha.net/customer/pvigay/DBase/1999.html | | | |Sincerely, |Bud Britt | |computerministry@unitytustin.org |page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, |http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ |-----Original Message----- |From: Family Account |To: glass@bungi.com |Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 10:34 AM |Subject: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained | | ||I've been wanting to come up with a couple new patterns for cheap ||suncatchers ($10-$15)other than my old standbys. Well, Tuesday I ||started this cold at work and was running a slight fever by the time I ||got home. I napped, got up, made a sandwich, crawled back into bed. I ||woke up at 3 am, very congested and "seeing" a little flower pattern. ||So I got up for more decongestant and started sketching. (Husband comes ||wandering downstairs "Are you all right?") We made four of the new ||flowers (not that night!), sold two of them this weekend. || ||I also drew up a morning dove (which won't be too cheap). Sometimes I ||like to type up a little infomation about the things I made, so I was ||looking around the Internet for info on morning doves and found mostly ||hunting regulations (Yeah, I do have what I need). || ||Now..I have a request for stained glass crop circles.... || ||Dorothy || ||---- ||For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com ||To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com ||Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | | ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 21:14:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi Group" Subject: Crop Circle Designer Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:05:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May9.1350.0> Precedence: bulk ANY of you want to make crop circle designs in the comfort of your own home ??? http://www.head-space.org/circlemakers/thecirclemaker.html Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Blake, Wayne, & Susan To: Bungi Group Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 03:44 PM Subject: Re: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained |>Now..I have a request for stained glass crop circles.... |>Dorothy | | |Now I *HAVE* to see the finished product on this one!!! |Somehow, crop circles are simply not something that I ever envisioned as |beautiful rendered in glass! If you pull this one off... they you are the |Atist! (Arteeest!) |Good luck! | |Blake |:-) |P.S. - HMmmmm, well now you've got me thinking, (and that IS a dangerous |thing), perhaps Stonehenge in glass. I'll get back with you when I figure |it out! (hahhaha) | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 21:27:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csg.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Progress and thanks for your answers Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:23:13 -0400 Message-ID: <199905092323.TAA01950@ppp2.reidgroup.com> Precedence: bulk First of all, thanks to all that replied to my question. I decided to turn it upside down so I start with the good side up. This has been quite an interesting project. Today I finished the foiling and I have everything ready to start soldering, which will probably happen next week. Let me comment on my progress and pass some of my experiences to the newbies out there --most experts will probably find this message boring :) -Design Phase. As you recall, I decided to cover a window with a collection of panels. 6 in total, 3 are 90x30cm and 3 are 30x30cm. So far I have been working in the large middle one. Why in this sizes? Several reasons. It is easier to work with small ones than with a large one (120x90cm) and I am moving one day from here. The probability of being able to fit small panels to a new window increases if they are small. In the worst case I will convert the 3 big panels into a room divider. I got the pattern. Look at it for endless hours and decided to make some minor changes to accommodate for my weird divisions. I worried whether it was "structurally sound" for my purposes (Now I know that the panels are too small to worry too much). I scanned it into the computer and tried to print it. My software could not print it at the real size. (10 times bigger) so I printed a scaled version 120x60mm. I decided to use the photocopier. As Elisabeth has said in the past, the photocopier is not precise. But my pattern does not have two pieces identical neither straight lines so the error of the copier is not noticeable. Copying was quite interesting. At the beginning I was doing random enlargements until I devised a method. I printed the copy to enlarge with lines each cm. (one cm in the print equal to 10 cm in the window). These were useful as guidelines. I new I needed to enlarge it 3 times 200% and once 125%. Using those lines and centering them along the center of the the photocopier I was able to control the enlarging. Putting it together was a matter of matching the copies. As I said before, the copies are not perfect, but the guidelines are very helpful to spot distortion and to put the pattern the together. I traced the perimeter of the panel in thick paper board and started gluing it. I put together two large panels --the size or the paper board. Then I proceeded to use crayons to paint it. It was fun. -Glass Choosing. This was tricky. I am lucky I have access to 3 different stores --two locally and one one hour away, in Toronto. I started with the local one. I chose some glass but it came short. Then went to the other store, picked some more. I still needed more. The Toronto store --Fantasy in Glass, whose Mike Fig is a member of our list-- was the best. They have a large collection of glass and I wish I started there. The visits to the stores were scattered during a period of 3 weeks. I had started to cut some pieces, some I redid once I had all the glass. Moral of the story, go to the store with the largest supply and buy all at once, if possible. -Glass cutting, foiling and grinding. I used different types of glasses and I could notice how easy or difficult to cut some glasses is. Since most of the projects I have done have no straight lines I feel how my cutting has rapidly improved. I was particularly concerned to break some large pieces, since that meant I had to go and buy more glass. Fortunately I had very few mishaps. Grinding and foiling had nothing special. I bought a cheap fluorescent ceiling lamp for Can$25. it is not perfect, but it was cheap and it works. It is good to use it while fitting glass and checking colours. -Fitting Preparing the glass for soldering. I bought a soft board to use in cork pegboards for less than Can$10. It was the size of the paper board and good to draw pegs through. I bought aluminum angle beams at Can$5 each (3 ft long). I cut one of them and draw small holes through them. This was cheaper than buying the stained glass equivalents. My pattern was reversed, hence the good face was down. When I decided to turn it around it was fun. It was like having a puzzle in front of me (the panel has 160 pieces). To recapitulate, what I did right and what I did wrong. Right: * Enlarging work out well. It was faster than using a projector on the wall. * The cork board and the aluminum beams are wonderful. They make it easy to fit the pieces together and they will be very useful during the soldering. They are easier to put and remove than wood strips. * Uruboros glass is so beautiful that I hope that, even if my skills are not up to the task, the glass will make it look pretty. :) Wrong: * I should have printed the pattern "mirrored", but I did not know it in advance. * I should had started cutting glass once I had all of it. * I should had visited the largest store first My current worries are that I might have not combined the glass in the best way. Only time will tell. It is difficult to say at this point. It certainly takes time to build something like this although I know very well that I am not very efficient. I amazes me to think that I can do this craft. 100 years ago it was difficult to find the glass, the tools and to _learn_ how to do it. Now, literally, anybody can do it. Specially because we have better technology available (foil, cutters, grinders). Nonetheless, I _know_ that the cost is prohibitive for many --I've spent around US$220 in materials so far and countless hours. No wonder that now that I look at every house for something similar I don't see more than some suncatchers --they are _popular_ now. I was in Boston last week, certainly this city is an exception. SG everywhere! Although the more typical classic style of geometrical shapes. Sometimes I look at the panel and I wonder if they might outlive me. But sometimes I see it as an experiment, and if it does not convice me, I will take it apart and start again. After all, this is a hobby. I'll keep you updated. Happy glassing, -- Daniel M. German http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 9 21:39:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:36:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi Group" Subject: COOL DESIGNS, even if they are only crop circles Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:16:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May9.131649.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.jps.net/cci/coolville.html Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Blake, Wayne, & Susan To: Bungi Group Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 03:44 PM Subject: Re: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained |>Now..I have a request for stained glass crop circles.... |>Dorothy | | |Now I *HAVE* to see the finished product on this one!!! |Somehow, crop circles are simply not something that I ever envisioned as |beautiful rendered in glass! If you pull this one off... they you are the |Atist! (Arteeest!) |Good luck! | |Blake |:-) |P.S. - HMmmmm, well now you've got me thinking, (and that IS a dangerous |thing), perhaps Stonehenge in glass. I'll get back with you when I figure |it out! (hahhaha) | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 04:18:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 03:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Daniel M. German" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Progress and thanks for your answers Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 06:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May10.25046.0> References: <<199905092323.TAA01950@ppp2.reidgroup.com>> Precedence: bulk Good Morning Daniel, Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with us. Good information here, regardless of our experience. How did you "mirror" your pattern? Did you use the computer to reverse the pattern? In the days before computers/scanners were common tools, we used to copy our artwork onto a transparency (used for overhead projection) and flip that and copy it to paper. It was faster and cheaper than going to the darkroom and doing it to film. (printing industry) KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel M. German To: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: Progress and thanks for your answers > > First of all, thanks to all that replied to my question. I decided to > turn it upside down so I start with the good side up. This has been > quite an interesting project. Today I finished the foiling and I have > everything ready to start soldering, which will probably happen next > week. > > Let me comment on my progress and pass some of my experiences to > the newbies out there --most experts will probably find this message > boring :) > > > -Design Phase. > > As you recall, I decided to cover a window with a collection of > panels. 6 in total, 3 are 90x30cm and 3 are 30x30cm. So far I have > been working in the large middle one. Why in this sizes? Several > reasons. It is easier to work with small ones than with a large one > (120x90cm) and I am moving one day from here. The probability of being > able to fit small panels to a new window increases if they are > small. In the worst case I will convert the 3 big panels into a room > divider. > > I got the pattern. Look at it for endless hours and decided to make > some minor changes to accommodate for my weird divisions. I worried > whether it was "structurally sound" for my purposes (Now I know that > the panels are too small to worry too much). I scanned it into the > computer and tried to print it. My software could not print it at the > real size. (10 times bigger) so I printed a scaled version 120x60mm. I > decided to use the photocopier. As Elisabeth has said in the past, the > photocopier is not precise. But my pattern does not have two pieces > identical neither straight lines so the error of the copier is not > noticeable. Copying was quite interesting. At the beginning I was > doing random enlargements until I devised a method. I printed the copy > to enlarge with lines each cm. (one cm in the print equal to 10 cm in > the window). These were useful as guidelines. I new I needed to > enlarge it 3 times 200% and once 125%. Using those lines and centering > them along the center of the the photocopier I was able to control the > enlarging. > > Putting it together was a matter of matching the copies. As I said > before, the copies are not perfect, but the guidelines are very > helpful to spot distortion and to put the pattern the together. I > traced the perimeter of the panel in thick paper board and started > gluing it. I put together two large panels --the size or the paper > board. > > Then I proceeded to use crayons to paint it. It was fun. > > > -Glass Choosing. > > This was tricky. I am lucky I have access to 3 different stores --two > locally and one one hour away, in Toronto. > > I started with the local one. I chose some glass but it came > short. Then went to the other store, picked some more. I still needed > more. The Toronto store --Fantasy in Glass, whose Mike Fig is a member > of our list-- was the best. They have a large collection of glass and > I wish I started there. The visits to the stores were scattered during > a period of 3 weeks. I had started to cut some pieces, some I redid > once I had all the glass. Moral of the story, go to the store with the > largest supply and buy all at once, if possible. > > -Glass cutting, foiling and grinding. > > I used different types of glasses and I could notice how easy or > difficult to cut some glasses is. Since most of the projects I have > done have no straight lines I feel how my cutting has rapidly > improved. I was particularly concerned to break some large pieces, > since that meant I had to go and buy more glass. Fortunately I had > very few mishaps. Grinding and foiling had nothing special. I bought a > cheap fluorescent ceiling lamp for Can$25. it is not perfect, but it > was cheap and it works. It is good to use it while fitting glass and > checking colours. > > -Fitting Preparing the glass for soldering. > > I bought a soft board to use in cork pegboards for less than > Can$10. It was the size of the paper board and good to draw pegs > through. I bought aluminum angle beams at Can$5 each (3 ft long). I > cut one of them and draw small holes through them. This was cheaper > than buying the stained glass equivalents. > > My pattern was reversed, hence the good face was down. When I decided > to turn it around it was fun. It was like having a puzzle in front of > me (the panel has 160 pieces). > > > To recapitulate, what I did right and what I did wrong. > > Right: > > * Enlarging work out well. It was faster than using a projector on the > wall. > > * The cork board and the aluminum beams are wonderful. They make it > easy to fit the pieces together and they will be very useful during > the soldering. They are easier to put and remove than wood strips. > > * Uruboros glass is so beautiful that I hope that, even if my skills > are not up to the task, the glass will make it look pretty. :) > > Wrong: > > * I should have printed the pattern "mirrored", but I did not know it > in advance. > > * I should had started cutting glass once I had all of it. > > * I should had visited the largest store first > > > My current worries are that I might have not combined the glass in > the best way. Only time will tell. It is difficult to say at this > point. It certainly takes time to build something like this although I > know very well that I am not very efficient. > > I amazes me to think that I can do this craft. 100 years ago it was > difficult to find the glass, the tools and to _learn_ how to do > it. Now, literally, anybody can do it. Specially because we have > better technology available (foil, cutters, grinders). Nonetheless, I > _know_ that the cost is prohibitive for many --I've spent around > US$220 in materials so far and countless hours. No wonder that now > that I look at every house for something similar I don't see more than > some suncatchers --they are _popular_ now. I was in Boston last week, > certainly this city is an exception. SG everywhere! Although the more > typical classic style of geometrical shapes. > > Sometimes I look at the panel and I wonder if they might outlive > me. But sometimes I see it as an experiment, and if it does not > convice me, I will take it apart and start again. After all, this is a > hobby. > > I'll keep you updated. > > Happy glassing, > > > -- > Daniel M. German > http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html > dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 08:18:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:48:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Progress and thanks for your answers Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:45:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May10.5450.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "K See" >How did you "mirror" your pattern? Did you use the computer to reverse t= he pattern? In the days before computers/scanners were common tools, we used to copy our artwork onto a transparency (used for overhead projection) and flip that and copy it to paper. It was faster and cheaper than going to the darkroom an= d doing it to film. (printing industry)< I "mirror" a design by simply turning the pattern pieces over prior to glueing/outlining on the glass. Simple. No cost. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 08:46:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:54:28 EDT Message-ID: <1999May10.145428.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/9/99 11:46:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: << Here's a link to Crop Circle Central, 1999 Image base http://www.interalpha.net/customer/pvigay/DBase/1999.html Sincerely, Bud Britt >> I love crop circles (as an art form--I don't know about aliens) and have created some in clay in the past. I have a crop circle calendar on my wall next to the computer. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 10:48:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: My first glass booth Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:48:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May10.64828.0> Precedence: bulk Ok.. I uploaded a few pics of my glass booth. The pic quality ain't all that great, but it gives an idea of the booth I made. I think it turned out ok. It builds and breaks down easy enough, but the 8" lumber is a bit tedious to haul!~ Fer them of you what wanna see it.... Here it is. http://users2.ipa.net/~gecko Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 11:49:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Dayle To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My first glass booth Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May10.101922.0> References: <<1999May10.64828.0>> Organization: Celestial Luminosities Precedence: bulk Turned out okay?...........It's wonderful!!!! You should get quite a bit of good use out of that booth and your work looks great as well. I'd say it's just the start of good things to come! Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: > Ok.. > > I uploaded a few pics of my glass booth. > The pic quality ain't all that great, but it gives an idea of the booth I > made. I think it turned out ok. It builds and breaks down easy enough, but > the 8" lumber is a bit tedious to haul!~ > > Fer them of you what wanna see it.... > Here it is. > > http://users2.ipa.net/~gecko > > Blake > :-) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 13:18:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gbe.com!Laura.Dawson From: "Laura L Dawson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: My first glass booth Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:46:12 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I like it!=20 Laura >>> "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" 05/10 11:48 AM >>> Ok.. I uploaded a few pics of my glass booth. The pic quality ain't all that great, but it gives an idea of the booth I made. I think it turned out ok. It builds and breaks down easy enough, = but the 8" lumber is a bit tedious to haul!~ Fer them of you what wanna see it.... Here it is. http://users2.ipa.net/~gecko=20 Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com=20 To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com=20 Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 13:46:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Computer trouble taking me offline Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:40:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199951014394215724@ix.netcom.com> Precedence: bulk Im praying it is only for the afternoon. I have been limping around the last few days with a browswer as old as the hills (dont you know thats fun), cant reinstall Netscape because that darling imp microwave destroyer is also a CD rom destroyer now. My computer is going to a friends house this after noon to see if he can fix it. I am way behind on answering email...I owe some of you responses. Wanted you to know what is going on...so y'all dont think I am just blowing you off. I dont have any email adddresses on this browswer.. hopefully I'll be up and running again by tonight...but you never know :o( I feel like Im having a leg removed by letting my computer go out the front door! Well..hope to see you all soon! T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 15:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The effects of a fever on the glass-brained Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:30:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May10.133058.0> References: <<1999May9.112531.0>> Precedence: bulk Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: > > >Now..I have a request for stained glass crop circles.... > >Dorothy > > Now I *HAVE* to see the finished product on this one!!! > Somehow, crop circles are simply not something that I ever envisioned as > beautiful rendered in glass! If you pull this one off... they you are the > Atist! (Arteeest!) > Good luck! > > Blake > :-) > P.S. - HMmmmm, well now you've got me thinking, (and that IS a dangerous > thing), perhaps Stonehenge in glass. I'll get back with you when I figure > it out! (hahhaha) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it can be done if you sand blast it. or do some fusing. may a basic clear with a frosty white circle. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 16:09:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Booth pics Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:30:27 -0000 Message-ID: <1999May10.163027.0> Precedence: bulk I think you booth looks better than OK, it looks great. Very decorative. Congratulations. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 17:19:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Herkimer Diamonds Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:46:45 EDT Message-ID: <1999May10.224645.0> Precedence: bulk For those of you who asked, I finally got them in envelopes and will mail them out tomorrow. I found these websites if anyone is interested in the background or buying any. I am sending samples, obviously none that are grade A, but they are pretty interesting anyway. Give it a few days and you should get them in the mail. Yeah, finally I did it!!! Caren http://www.noemagems.com/herk.htm http://www.dmn.com.au/~wrighton/crystal_creations/articles/herkimer.html http://www.wehug.com/herkimerdiamondgallery.html http://www.hartwick.edu/geology/work/ADK_VFT/stop_1/stop_1.html http://www.herkimerdiamond.com/ http://www.herkimerdiamond.com/herk-1.htm Very good resource http://www.herkimerdiamond.com/herk-8.htm Interesting story ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 17:38:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: gecko@ipa.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My first glass booth Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:27:25 EDT Message-ID: <1999May10.232725.0> Precedence: bulk Blake, Bravo..........looks great. Luanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 17:57:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nettally.com!gypsy2 From: "Sandy Gustafson" To: , Subject: Question? Requesting solution. Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun8.151719.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, Yesterday, Mother's Day, I took some my garden stones to a garden nursery in my area to show the owner. She bought one of stones. And wants more. Hurrah!!! She also asked me to design a stone, so to speak , with the nursery's address on it, but wants to be able to hang it on the fence at the entrance. Now for the question. Can I place the glass in my stone mold and just pour in the mortar, reinforce it with wire and place another wire for hanging entwined in the reforcing wire, with out adding any cement? Will it be strong enough and hold up in all kinds of Florida weather, this way? As you can see I need it to be light in weight. If anyone has tried this, please write and tell me if it will work or not. I will take any suggestions offered. Thanks, Sandy G. in FL Be kind to everyone, because everyone is having a hard time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 18:50:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Stuff, and lots of it . Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May10.1425.0> Precedence: bulk I've seen questions and suggestions fly over Bungiland recently and I wanted to share a neat site that I found several years ago. American Science and Surplus carries everything... or just about. You can find optics and lens' for mobiles or foil work, dental picks and related stuff for cleaning putty out of came, diamond drill bits, mirrors, 1/4 glass sheets, etc. Enjoy. They're out the Chicagoland area and they're stores are a trip to wander thru... go look! http://www.sciplus.com/ Paula Nelson - ICQ# 1245141 uitland@glassdogstudio.com The Glass Dog Studio http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm vom Uitland Rottweilers http://www.glassdogstudio.com/uitland.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 19:13:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: andor@ilnk.com (Linda Jo Letscher), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-118559791-4039 Subject: Re: NG Re: Hmm... & a test Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May10.16193.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-118559791-4039 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Linda Jo and Bungi , and especially Dave Rand, with a friendly FORWARD REPLY from Glenna. Thank You, after being a replyer and than a definite lurker, I can now reply back to messages I can help with. Gloria --WebTV-Mail-118559791-4039 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail.ilnk.com (mail.fair.net [206.72.159.4]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id UAA18305 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andor.ilnk.com (unverified [207.100.139.212]) by mail.ilnk.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 09 May 1999 23:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "GLORIA DRAG" Subject: Re: NG Re: Hmm... & a test Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:53:46 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Looks good from this end Gloria. What ever you have to do, it seems to be working. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: GLORIA DRAG To: Dave Rand ; glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 11:34 PM Subject: NG Re: Hmm... & a test Dave, first thank you for taking "valuable time" to respond back to me.. Bungi Group. this is a test to see if I can respond back to you, the address I am using, is not "subscribed " to Bungi.. The situation is that at home, I have the PC (address, 3hounds@usaor.net) which I am subscribed to Bungi, and this PC I do not use. George forwards the Bungi mail to work, so while I am in the dark, filming drawings, I can enjoy all of you and your information and personalities, and this has been very pleasant. A few times I tried to respond back at work as "forward" but the members of Bungi said it was garbled (old PC,there) For Christmas, George bought me WEB TV.. This is my leisure e mail correspondance, (and how much leisure time do we have :>) ) but if I subscribed to Bungi by it, and did not clear daily, very quickly, the messages are bounced back to Glenna (WEB only holds so much) and Glenna thinks I am not interested and I am disconnected ( this happened, already, but Glenna and I did not know that WEB held only so many, Glenna reconnected me immediately).. So, Dave told me I can respond to Bungi from the WEB TV address.. This may also help others, who have more than 1 PC and location to send/reply to. Dave, thank you again. Bungi, hope I have not inconvenienced you. Gloria @ stainglasborzoi@webtv.net and Gloria and George @ 3hounds@usaor.net --WebTV-Mail-118559791-4039-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 20:23:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:05:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" , Subject: Re: Question? Requesting solution. Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:49:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May10.11498.0> Precedence: bulk Seems I read awhile back about someone who requested a solution for lightweight concrete, and someone else answered that to use glass bubble beads in the concrete instead of sand, perhaps someone else know about this, they might be lurking. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Gustafson To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 06:09 PM Subject: Question? Requesting solution. |Hi everybody, | |Yesterday, Mother's Day, I took some my garden stones to a garden nursery in |my area to show the owner. She bought one of stones. And wants more. |Hurrah!!! | |She also asked me to design a stone, so to speak , with the nursery's |address on it, but wants to be able to hang it on the fence at the entrance. |Now for the question. Can I place the glass in my stone mold and just pour |in the mortar, reinforce it with wire and place another wire for hanging |entwined in the reforcing wire, with out adding any cement? Will it be |strong enough and hold up in all kinds of Florida weather, this way? As you |can see I need it to be light in weight. | |If anyone has tried this, please write and tell me if it will work or not. |I will take any suggestions offered. | |Thanks, |Sandy G. in FL | | |Be kind to everyone, because everyone is having a hard time. | | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 20:39:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Re: Crop Circles Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:45:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May10.114515.0> Precedence: bulk Do you have a website with any of your stuff up on it ? Also, do you know anything about using glass shards in ceramic stuff, got a friend that does ceramic jewelry, and was wondering if she and her husband might be able to use the small shards of glass that I have left over from cutting? Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 01:39 PM Subject: Re: Crop Circles |In a message dated 5/10/99 4:35:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, |computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: | |<< | So what kind of projects do you do the most? I am kinda into small panels | more than I want to be into suncatchers, although it seems that the | suncatchers pay for the glass for other stuff more. >> | | |Hi Bud, | |I like to do many crafts beside glass. In glass I mostly do small things like |boxes, business card holders or candle holders. I've done some small panels. | |My husband tend to work together on the bigger things. He like to cut the |patterns, glass and solder. I generally grind, foil and solder. | | |Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 20:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "Ruth Wallick" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 10 May 99 19:14:15 Message-ID: <199905110215.UAA07787@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk New updates to the www2.privatei.com/~candy (GAF website) have been finished.. go see pictures from last year's show and new 1999 show info! Have fun and if you find any errors please email with the page you found the error on.. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 21:00:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Paula Nelson" , Subject: Re: Stuff, and lots of it . Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:01:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May10.19110.0> Precedence: bulk Paula, Cool site. Thanks for sharing, great goodies. I am looking at all the items now. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 9:59 PM Subject: Stuff, and lots of it . >I've seen questions and suggestions fly over Bungiland recently and I >wanted to share a neat site that I found several years ago. >American Science and Surplus carries everything... or just about. > >You can find optics and lens' for mobiles or foil work, dental picks and >related stuff for cleaning putty out of came, diamond drill bits, mirrors, >1/4 glass sheets, etc. > >Enjoy. They're out the Chicagoland area and they're stores are a trip to >wander thru... go look! >http://www.sciplus.com/ > > >Paula Nelson - ICQ# 1245141 >uitland@glassdogstudio.com > >The Glass Dog Studio >http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm > >vom Uitland Rottweilers >http://www.glassdogstudio.com/uitland.htm >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 21:52:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: diamond stuff and GLASS stuff related Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:39:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May10.133928.0> Precedence: bulk Been looking for diamond bits and such, from what I have read others are too. Below is something else that I found. webpage text Actually a precision cutting instrument, this Norton Process E diamond dicing wheel to cut silicon chips. Can be attached to an arbor and then to a trusty drill. It's a type 3A1-25/20, spec. PD316 MIC-EP .020". The very fragile edge is .0025" thick X .02" high. I.D. is 3/4", Norton part #J0543666. Each item is individually--and lovingly, we're sure--boxed. ITEM NAME: Diamond Dicing Wheel PRICE: $9.50/ea STOCK NUMBER: 25820 http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/25820.html Diamond point bits that, if used by your dentist, would send you through the roof. The assortment of (20) bits includes cylinders, cones (points), balls and a couple of special shapes all of a variety of sizes. Each has a 3/32" dia shank and is about 2-3/4" long OA. A craftsperson's delight!! Comes in a plastic case. ITEM NAME: Diamond Points, Set (20) PRICE: $15.00/set STOCK NUMBER: 89137 http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/89137.html Tiny chrome plated steel swivels, 5 mm ID for each loop and about 9 mm x 20 mm OA. Bigger than inland fishing stuff, but smaller than heavy industrial strength models. Handy for hobbies and crafts in the micro world of today. ITEM NAME: Mini Swivel PRICE: $2.00/pkg(8) STOCK NUMBER: 89199 http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/swivel.html A set of (5) needle files, 5-1/2" long, which are coated with industrial diamonds. Perfect for sharpening tools, or doing filing on hard metals etc. when you are sculpting or welding. The shapes are the usual assortment of flat, round and in between shapes. ITEM NAME: Diamond Files PRICE: $13.75/set(5) STOCK NUMBER: 89397 http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/89397.html Set of (20) 19/32" dia glass marbles with (1) 1" dia shooter all in a mesh bag. We'll choose "aggies" or pearly/irridescent marbles with colored inclusions. If you can find a patch of dirt and a stick to draw a circle, you can play--or you can use the marbles for art projects, aquarium decor, or flower arrangments. ITEM NAME: Marble Set PRICE: $1.75/each STOCK NUMBER: 26831 http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/marbleset.html It's a drill bit, a diamond drill bit to be precise. We're selling sets of (10) bits each, including 42, 43, 47, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, and 60 gauge bits. If diamonds are a girl's best friend, you'll have her next ten birthdays covered for a very low price! ITEM NAME: Diamond Drills PRICE: $7.50/each STOCK NUMBER: 90083 http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/90083.html About (120) highly polished stones, all shiny, translucent, or brightly colored, ranging from 3/4" long to 1/8" long. Great for mosaics, jewelry, or aquariums. ITEM NAME: Tumbled Gemstones PRICE: $2.95/each STOCK NUMBER: 90006 http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/90006.html All sorts of stuff that would be helpful to a hobbyist, or maybe even a professional ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 22:10:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:35:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Diamond Bits Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:15:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May10.131530.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/89137.html was looking through the catalog at this sight, and came across a set of bits. Text from page below. Diamond point bits that, if used by your dentist, would send you through the roof. The assortment of (20) bits includes cylinders, cones (points), balls and a couple of special shapes all of a variety of sizes. Each has a 3/32" dia shank and is about 2-3/4" long OA. A craftsperson's delight!! Comes in a plastic case. ITEM NAME: Diamond Points, Set (20) PRICE: $15.00/set STOCK NUMBER: 89137 Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 10 22:13:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: ktjude@wm.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Pricing Repairs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:40:22 EDT Message-ID: <1999May11.34022.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, As I thought, your question didn't go unanswered. Initially, since I am self taught, I took repair work for "whatever", as a learning medium. Having done that on small projects, I was offered a very large piece, 80x25, which needed a complete relead. Remember, repair is doing the job twice, (dissassembly) and reassembly, often on work which is of uncertain quakity, which will translate to mucho extra work, or worse, glass damage on difficult matches. I quoted a price which as way, way too low. I now prefer to quote per sq., as hourly time can be arguable, and hard to justify (some people work faster, or slower) . To me, the finished product has a worth as such and generally is worth (or not) the cost of restoration. Factors such as competition come into play, as does the complexity of the piece, also, who is installing? If you are doing all, you should base the value at about $200 / sq. ft. As you were told by others, sometimes fairness dictates that you disclose that a new piece would cost less. For example, I'm now restoring two valuable windows, that are going to be used elsewhare, and I'm making two new ( far less complex) for replacement, for about $120/ ft. On the other hand, I'll still make simple repairs to sun catchers, etc, that are of repairable quality, for a song ($10 and up) For good will, customer development, etc. The key is reparable.. I looked at a very nice set of art/craft celing fan lamps that had come apart (made so poorly, that only.. the glue on the foil was holding them together. Instead of fitter rings, a metal band and copper tape were used to hold the shades to the fixture. I also noticed the sides were very poorly soldered. I declined to work on them, Why, liability. I have no way of being sure that they will stay together, unless I can satisfy myself that they are sound, which translates to making new ones. Not to gouge the customer, put to protect myself. Repair is great fun but be careful out there!!!!! 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Their humor is very much like Whittmore-Durgin's. They carry some very odd items. KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud Britt To: AA_Bungi Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 11:15 PM Subject: Diamond Bits > http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/926392915.78/fix/89137.html > > was looking through the catalog at this sight, and came across a set of > bits. Text from page below. > > Diamond point bits that, if used by your dentist, would send you through the > roof. The assortment of (20) bits includes cylinders, cones (points), balls > and a couple of special shapes all of a variety of sizes. Each has a 3/32" > dia shank and is about 2-3/4" long OA. A craftsperson's delight!! Comes in a > plastic case. > ITEM NAME: Diamond Points, Set (20) > PRICE: $15.00/set > STOCK NUMBER: 89137 > > > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 07:30:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 06:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nettally.com!gypsy2 From: "Sandy Gustafson" To: Subject: Ashville Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:16:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Jun9.4162.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I am taking a trip to Ashville, Tennessee in the next few days. Can anyone tell me if there are any glass shops/studios there that I can go to? Thanks, Sandy G. in FL Remember: Be kind to everyone, because everyone is having a hard time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 07:53:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 06:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Question? Requesting solution. Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:20:53 EDT Message-ID: <1999May11.132053.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/10/99 8:59:23 PM, gypsy2@nettally.com writes: >She also asked me to design a stone, so to speak , with the nursery's >address on it, but wants to be able to hang it on the fence at the entrance. What kind of fence do they have? Could they build an unobtrusive shelf on it to support the weight of the stone? That way you'd only need the "hanging wire" to secure the stone in place so it won't tip over (or get stolen). Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 08:34:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts Subject: how to fix what's not broken Date: 11 May 99 10:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <199905111430.KAA09701@smtp2.erols.com> Precedence: bulk When my neighbor's mother died recently, she received a stained glass window that had been in the home. Before she got it, she asked if I could fix it because it was in terrible condition. I said I'd try and so she brought it to me wrapped in newspapers. The window is 28" wide by 31" high including a 2" wide frame all around. This window is filthy, but is tight and not a piece of it is broken. The wooden frame, however, is in terrible shape and on one side it is disintegrating. The window is heavily puttied (I think) into the frame and 6" up and 6" down running horizontally are wooden moldings to which the window is tied for support. She would like to be able to hang it in one of her windows, but something needs to be done. I wouldn't have the foggiest idea of how to fix this unbroken window. How would you even start to get it out of the frame without breaking it? That's why I'm asking you all. How would you handle this problem? I feel that I am a glass person, not a wood person, so this is not up my alley. but I feel I need to give her more advice than that! TIA Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 09:02:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:15:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Re: Fluorescent? iridescent? was Re: Glass-henge Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:55:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May11.05518.0> Precedence: bulk Hiya Sparks (no relation, I guess that is to that Uranium guy or gal) I got to say this, you are one smart woman. They told me that you were having fun with me at first, and others told me that there actually was something called Uranium glass, the stuff that I have, since you have now described it in a way that I can better understand, (and I am 39, bout to turn 40, with a brain, that seems to be as empty as a -10 year old, so I was around during them 60's, they just said "Yeah, pissing and shitting all over yourself" ;-) ) only the memories of that time, are not there. The stuff that I have is the iridescent stuff, although it does not rainbow, it just goes from pink to bright green, in any kind of light, you just have to tilt the glass. I have seen the kind of posters that you talked about at the lightbulb store, where I go get lightbulbs for the church. Thank you for going more in depth in your explaining what the uranium glass is and was, it really helps when someone takes the time to share, thanks again,,, ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 06:32 AM Subject: Fluorescent? iridescent? was Re: Glass-henge In a message dated 5/10/99 10:15:01 PM, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: >I think I got some of that, in regular light, it is kinda pink, but when I >put it under my light on the bench, it turns bright green, I thought it >was iridescent,,, Iridescent glass is coated with a very thin layer of vaporized metal (tin, I think, but I can't remember) that gives a multicolored "rainbow" effect in any kind of light. What you've got sounds like some kind of fluorescent stuff. When you put it under a light source, it absorbs some of the light and emits a different color of light (it's a quantum-mechanical thang). Usually you see that kind of thing in connection with UV "black lights" (don't know if you're old enough to remember the 60s, but I sure do! everybody I knew in college had at least one blacklight poster in their room), but some things will fluoresce under ordinary light (for instance those fluorescent highlighter markers). Then to complicate matters, there's phosphorescence, where something generates its own light. A lot of radioactive stuff (including uranium if it's concentrated) does that, so do lightning bugs by way of a chemical reaction, and then there are those glow-in-the-dark paints that absorb light and store it up, then give it off slowly so they keep glowing in the dark. You see those on clock dials and Halloween costumes. Uranium glass is very slightly radioactive, and I think it is fluorescent under black light. I don't think there's enough uranium in it to actually be phosphorescent unless it stores up light like a clock face. There's not enough uranium in it to glow under its own power, or to be particularly hazardous (the most common isotope of uranium has a half-life of something like 4 billion years, and when it decays it throws off mostly slow-moving alpha particles - helium nuclei - rather than a lot of gamma or x-rays). I've never seen uranium glass in person, only in pictures. It's a real *screaming* yellow-green. Sparks (no relation) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 09:32:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:14:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990511091431.00959600@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<199905110215.UAA07787@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk At 07:14 PM 5/10/99, Candy Thurman wrote: >New updates to the http://www2.privatei.com/~candy (GAF website) have been finished.. go >see pictures from last year's show and new 1999 show info! > >Have fun and if you find any errors please email with the page you found the error on.. > >Candy > Great site...thanks for the link. I found myself wishing the site had e-mail addresses for the wired artists. Several compliments didn't get sent because I didn't know where to send them. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 11:14:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Nadine Beth Schneider Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: how to fix what's not broken Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May15.23610.0> References: <<199905111430.KAA09701@smtp2.erols.com>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: > > When my neighbor's mother died recently, she received > a stained glass window that had been in the home. Before > she got it, she asked if I could fix it because it was in terrible > condition. I said I'd try and so she brought it to me wrapped > in newspapers. > > The window is 28" wide by 31" high including a 2" wide frame > all around. This window is filthy, but is tight and not a piece > of it is broken. The wooden frame, however, is in terrible > shape and on one side it is disintegrating. The window is > heavily puttied (I think) into the frame and 6" up and 6" down > running horizontally are wooden moldings to which the > window is tied for support. She would like to be able to > hang it in one of her windows, but something needs to > be done. > > I wouldn't have the foggiest idea of how to fix this unbroken > window. How would you even start to get it out of the > frame without breaking it? That's why I'm asking you all. > How would you handle this problem? I feel that I am > a glass person, not a wood person, so this is not up > my alley. but I feel I need to give her more advice than > that! > > TIA > > Nadine > Nadine, I would not beat around the bush..>I would tell her exactly what you told us: that this is not your alley and you are a glass person not a wood person and that you would feel TERRIBLE if in trying to help her out, due to your lack of knowledge if you ruined her family heirloom. If you really feel you MUST help her, offer to make a few phone calls to find someone who CAN repair the frame for her window. Whatever you do, DONT try to wing it and fix something you really dont know how to fix because then she WILL have reason to be angry....this is the voice of experience here..>I cannot tell you how many situations I have botched (not neccessarily glass related) becasue I didnt want to hurt someones feelings or felt there was something wrong with being honest and saying "no I really cant do this" for whatever reason. hope this helps Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 11:45:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:19:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May11.91946.0> Precedence: bulk Candy, Wow! That show looks like a GREAT show for glass watching. My only wish is that I lived closer. Looking at the past winners was a treat......beautiful! And it covers a wide range of glass art. Thanks for passing that along. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 15:17:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Elizabeth Arakelian , Subject: re: Re: how to fix what's not broken Date: 11 May 99 14:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199905111842.OAA23967@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Thank you, Liz. . . . . .for what I know is sage advice. I do believe, in this case less is more. Doing nothing will be better than botching the job! Nadine > ** Original Subject: Re: how to fix what's not broken > ** Original Sender: Elizabeth Arakelian > ** Original Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:36:10 -0700 > ** Original Message follows... > > Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: > > > > When my neighbor's mother died recently, she received > > a stained glass window that had been in the home. Before > > she got it, she asked if I could fix it because it was in terrible > > condition. I said I'd try and so she brought it to me wrapped > > in newspapers. > > > > The window is 28" wide by 31" high including a 2" wide frame > > all around. This window is filthy, but is tight and not a piece > > of it is broken. The wooden frame, however, is in terrible > > shape and on one side it is disintegrating. The window is > > heavily puttied (I think) into the frame and 6" up and 6" down > > running horizontally are wooden moldings to which the > > window is tied for support. She would like to be able to > > hang it in one of her windows, but something needs to > > be done. > > > > I wouldn't have the foggiest idea of how to fix this unbroken > > window. How would you even start to get it out of the > > frame without breaking it? That's why I'm asking you all. > > How would you handle this problem? I feel that I am > > a glass person, not a wood person, so this is not up > > my alley. but I feel I need to give her more advice than > > that! > > > > TIA > > > > Nadine > > > Nadine, I would not beat around the bush..>I would tell her exactly what > you told us: that this is not your alley and you are a glass person not > a wood person and that you would feel TERRIBLE if in trying to help her > out, due to your lack of knowledge if you ruined her family heirloom. If > you really feel you MUST help her, offer to make a few phone calls to > find someone who CAN repair the frame for her window. Whatever you do, > DONT try to wing it and fix something you really dont know how to fix > because then she WILL have reason to be angry....this is the voice of > experience here..>I cannot tell you how many situations I have botched > (not neccessarily glass related) becasue I didnt want to hurt someones > feelings or felt there was something wrong with being honest and saying > "no I really cant do this" for whatever reason. hope this helps > > Liz >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 15:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Apology for language in last message Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:33:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May11.53347.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Everyone, I would like to apologize for the use of the words, p_ssing and s_itting, I will try to remember that words are seen in email more strongly, than in general spoken language. Thank you for the reminder about language, from a member of Bungi. I copied the message to Sparks to the group at large, partly because I wanted people to be able to read the explain that she gave on uranium glass, and partly because I wanted to share how much I appreciated her sharing. Most of the time, when I am typing, I type a lot of what they are telling me to type. I really do not like hearing voices a lot of the time, in fact I have asked many times when this link will be turned off. I really do not know just how to explain or share how it is like, to have LOUD thoughts/voices in your head all the time, that respond to your own thoughts, try to force their thoughts/will on you, that try and trick you into believing that their desires are your own desires,,, Well, some might understand, have found that most will not, mainly because of lack of experience or empathy, and yes the word empathy came from them, they just gave me a understanding, "inteloectual understanding". Again, sorry for the use of language that was not apporiate to some members of Bungi. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 15:53:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:59:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Questions on Foiler Machines Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:38:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May11.53852.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Foiling Machine users, I have seen foiling machines in the stained glass catalogs, I was wondering just how much easier do they make the job of foiling? Is there a machine that is better than others? Any experience of yours about the use of one of these machines? How well do they center the foil, and how well do they crimp the foil? How well do they handle textured glass, and various thickness's of glass? Foiling is the job that seems to take the longest for me, and I do not do a real good job at centering, got to put patch strips in sometimes to get foil on the other side of the glass. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 16:05:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Fluorescent? iridescent? was Re: Glass-henge Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:32:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May11.11326.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sparks: >I've never seen uranium glass in person, only in pictures. It's a real *screaming* yellow-green.< I have, at the Corning Glass Museum in Corning, NY. And it truely is screaming yellow with some green. But the example they have there is mostly yellow. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 16:16:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Question? Requesting solution. Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:32:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May11.11321.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Sandy Gustafson" >Now for the question. Can I place the glass in my stone mold and just pour in the mortar, reinforce it with wire and place another wire for hanging entwined in the reforcing wire, with out adding any cement? Will it be strong enough and hold up in all kinds of Florida weather, this way? As you can see I need it to be light in weight.< Hmmmm...your solution sounds very workable to me, but I have not tried that sort of thing. Try it out. See if it works. Let us know= ! I, for one, am very interested! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 16:34:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: nadinesfolly@erols.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: how to fix what's not broken Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:15:48 EDT Message-ID: <1999May11.221548.0> Precedence: bulk Obviously, your friend has come to you to "make it better", rather than to fix it. Since the glass is filthy, (keep in mind I've not seen the piece), it might be necessary to disassemble (in this case meaning get rid of the wood frame,) the window / panel anyway, in order to soak the glass clean (TSP, or something similar) Since the frame is a basket case anyway, let it be gone! Can you make a Lead, Zinc, Brass, or Copper frame to be used to give the panel strength, and as a medium or anchor for hanging in a window ? If you're not a wood person, don't mess with it!! a Unless I miss my guess, my 30 years experience in grief resolution suggests to me that once presented with a new looking shiny panel, your friend will feel a lot better, and will move along the road to resolution. The desire to make something of the parent's "new" again is consistent with the feelings of someone who just had a loss. I don't think the lack of wood will make one bit of difference. IMHO!! Richard Glassics Artglass Studio Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 18:01:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!bkwrms From: "Bob and June Scott" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Homemade copper patina Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May11.144438.0> Precedence: bulk A little while ago someone, I think it was Bud, was asking about using Copper Sulfate crystals to make their own patina. I found the following "recipes" in the Whittemore-Durgin catalog last night and thought they might help. They say that two ounces Copper Sulfate crystals can be mixed with four ounces hot water until dissolved and then brushed on while still hot. The other recipe calls for two ounces CP crystals mixed with two ounces muriatic acid and two ounces hot water and brushed on while hot. They mention that the muriatic acid might be called "plumbers acid" or "tinner's fluid" depending on the hardware store. June ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 18:45:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Jewish patterns once again Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:15:34 EDT Message-ID: <1999May11.231534.0> Precedence: bulk Okay I promised myself I would get everything done this week. The Herkimer Diamonds went in the mail today. Tonight I scanned all the Jewish Patterns I had and am all ready to send them out. ONE problem though, I can't find the list of names of those of you who asked for them. I know I know I already asked you a second time, but I promise this is the last time because I will send them this time, they are ready and waiting to be uploaded. So send me your name and I promise to forward them. I don't remember who it was originally that sent me some, so if I send you back the same ones....sorry. I think I'll get a bottle of Gingko Biloba, that stuff they say to take for improving memory. God if I'm this bad now I can't imagine what I'll be like in 10 years. I think it's a hormonal thing, I hope so. By the way I didn't lose all the names, I have Ed, Nadine, Irene and Bud. Thanks for your patience. THe Diamonds should be there by Monday. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 19:11:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Netscape 4.08 help? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:40:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May11.134050.0> Precedence: bulk ....she said weakly as she was about to be swallowed by that huge wave full of sharks! I almost have a fully working computer! YES! ;o) Does anyone here use Netscape 4.08? Would you be willing to answer a question or two regarding email? Do they not give you the old netscape mail client anymore? Is it only their webbased mail now? I'd be sooooooo grateful if someone could help me...Im getting tired of the dog paddle. Any real swimmers? ;o) Thanks in advance. T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 19:25:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass on Discovery Channel Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:04:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May11.16423.0> Precedence: bulk This just came in to me. My friend picked it up from the slumped fountain site that went out last week. Can't find URL now to send it along > HI! If you get the Discovery Channel on your cable you might want to check > out May 12 Weds. Interior Motives Show at 12:00 Noon. > This feature is titled The Artisan's Craft the Discovery Channel's > website says: > > " In this special show we profile five > artists who create functional art. First we explore the world of > woodworking > with Paul Orvalla. New York artist Justin Kelly shares his unique stained > glass. Then it's off to San Francisco for a look at the work of blacksmith > Jefferson Mack. We learn the art of murals with Jeff Raum, and finish off > with a lesson in ceramics with Lana Wilson." KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 19:47:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:53:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass shards and ceramics Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:57:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May11.145727.0> Precedence: bulk Bud Britt asked <> I take my shards to the local community college art department. They use it (and really appreciate) in their ceramics classes.... and "found object" art.... Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 22:00:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!mschut From: mschut@nbnet.nb.ca (mschut) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Retailer - London, Ontario Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:29:25 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990511222925.28d7440a@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca> Precedence: bulk A couple of weeks ago, someone had posted a message that they just returned from London, Ontario and found a supplier of glass for approx. $5.00 per foot. Whoever that was, could you please provide me with the toll free number again, I think I am going to place an order with them seeing as I have family driving out to visit me next week. Thanks a lot. Mike, Pam, Jonathan, Kayla & ????? Schut Moncton, New Brunswick ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 22:17:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:27:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Homemade copper patina Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:23:24 -0400 Message-ID: <199905120324.XAA12804@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/11/99 6:44 PM Bob and June Scott bkwrms@banet.net >A little while ago someone, I think it was Bud, was asking about using >Copper Sulfate crystals to make their own patina. I found the following >"recipes" in the Whittemore-Durgin catalog last night and thought they might >help. > >They say that two ounces Copper Sulfate crystals can be mixed with >four ounces hot water until dissolved and then brushed on while still hot. >The other recipe calls for two ounces CP crystals mixed with two ounces >muriatic acid and two ounces hot water and brushed on while hot. They >mention that the muriatic acid might be called "plumbers acid" or "tinner's >fluid" depending on the hardware store. My husband tried to clean our kitchen floor a few years ago with muriatic acid. That stuff smells awful, I was actually afraid it would kill the cats. I don't think it's something you want to work with. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 22:52:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Jewish patterns Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:12:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May15.141246.0> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk dont remember if anyone mentioned this one, but the note about Jewish patterns today jogged my memory on the fact that there had been requests for them....just got my latest from Glass crafters in sarasota, Fla and there is a pattern book in there called "Judaica glass patterns" or something to that effect....its brand new. like I said, didnt remember if anyone had mentioned this book or not... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 11 23:26:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: shipping stained glass & postal insurance Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:58:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May11.185822.0> Precedence: bulk Someone awhile back mentioned sending a SG lampshade to her daughter, and it arrived broken....was that B Marhon?? Seems I recall that it would have worked out best for you if you had not told the post office that you produced the shade? I've been very lucky, in that nothing that I have shipped has ever broken...*until* today. I send several things in one box to Ca. I thought it was really well packed...but one of the fairies arm's broke. I was wondering if someone has any experience with the post office that could perhaps advise me with their hindsight, in how to deal with them? Thanks Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 01:02:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "suzy@comcat.com" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Homemade copper patina Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:22:38 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May12.82238.0> References: <<199905120324.XAA12804@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Hi There! What is CP? I always understood that muriatic acid is in fact Hydrochloric acid! What I think you were probably smelling during the floor cleaning might have been chlorine (bad to breath!) If it is H.acid I wouldn't care to have it about in my workshop. Chemistry was never a strong subject with me so perhaps I am wrong about it's true identity and maybe I react too strongly to keeping such stuff but better that than have it react with my tools, my hands (or my cats)! I always think that that ignorance isn't as much bliss as it is dangerous! Don't let me stop you experimenting but do find out about what you are handling and how to handle it first. In case you missed it - what is CP? Best regards BtB > > >A little while ago someone, I think it was Bud, was asking about using > >Copper Sulfate crystals to make their own patina. I found the following > >"recipes" in the Whittemore-Durgin catalog last night and thought they might > >help. > > > >They say that two ounces Copper Sulfate crystals can be mixed with > >four ounces hot water until dissolved and then brushed on while still hot. > >The other recipe calls for two ounces CP crystals mixed with two ounces > >muriatic acid and two ounces hot water and brushed on while hot. They > >mention that the muriatic acid might be called "plumbers acid" or "tinner's > >fluid" depending on the hardware store. > > My husband tried to clean our kitchen floor a few years ago with muriatic > acid. That stuff smells awful, I was actually afraid it would kill the > cats. I don't think it's something you want to work with. > Suzanne > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 07:30:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 06:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Questions on Foiler Machines Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May12.5110.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bud Britt" >I have seen foiling machines in the stained glass catalogs, I was wondering just how much easier do they make the job of foiling? Is there a machine that is better than others? Any experience of yours about the use of one of these machines? How well do they center the foil, and how well do they crimp the foil? How well do they handle textured glass, and various thickness's of glass?= Foiling is the job that seems to take the longest for me, and I do not do= a real good job at centering, got to put patch strips in sometimes to get foil on the other side of the glass.< I use the Glastar foiling machine for about 90% of my foiling. Once you learn to properly use a foiling machine, they can be a real time-saver. What I like best about them: - they keep the roll of foil under control, so that it is not snaking all over the table top and you don't waste time turning glass over, etc trying to keep the foil unraveling straight. - they do center the glass nicely in the foil. - they automatically peel the paper backing away from the foil. The foiling machine's crimping is not a final crimping. It is not tightly onto the glass surface. I always burnish down all foiled pieces by using the fid and a small wallpaper roller. The Glastar comes with 3 width wheel sets: 3/16, 7/32, 1/4. These sets are a larger wheel which holds the foil, and a small wheel which is your centering wheel for the glass. Both wheels are manufactured for a particular with of foil. So make sure to use the large 7/32 wheel with the small 7/32 wheel. Many times people forget to have the correct smaller wheel on to match the size foil they are working with, and then wonder why they are having trouble getting a good centering. Some glass is still best done by hand: - extremely thick glass which requires larger foil sizes. - heavily-textured glass such as herringbone ripple. - pieces which have very tight inside curves which are smaller in diameter than the small centering wheel. Those should be foiled by hand, but then again, these exceptions are not a large percentage of the total foiling in most projects. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 08:07:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 06:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Homemade copper patina Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:11:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May12.5114.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bob and June Scott" >A little while ago someone, I think it was Bud, was asking about using Copper Sulfate crystals to make their own patina. I found the following "recipes" in the Whittemore-Durgin catalog last night and thought they might help.< Thanks for the recipe, but what are we making? Is it the bright copper patina? How can I make the black patina? Does anyone know? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 08:09:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Philadelphia glass: May 16 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May12.63121.0> Precedence: bulk Found this flyer at the library last night, with info about a tour of Tiffany, LaFarge and famous studios' works in religious buildings downtown. It goes sumthin' like this: You are invited to join in a celelbration of a glorious window resurrected. music * lectures * tours 1 p.m., Sunday May 16, 1999 First Unitarian Church Philadelphia (Unitariam Universalitst) 2125 Chestnut Street, Philadelphia PA 19103 The oldest Tiffany window in Philadelphia, the 1888-9 rose window memorial to Barnabus H. Bartol in the First Unitarian Church of Philadelphia, designed by Frank Furness [ed. note: presumably they mean the building was designed by architect Furness], is newly restored and reinstalled. View the window and enjoy the special program: Organ and trumpet music by John Pescitelli and Elin Frazier "Stained Glass as Architectural Art" - A talke by Virginia C Raguin, PhD, Director of the Census of Stained Glass Windows in America and Professor of Art History, College of the Holy Cross, Worcestor MA "Resotring a Special Tiffany Window" -Arthur J. Femenella, restorer of the window. See also window by Tiffany Studios, LaFarge, Holiday, Poynter, D'Ascenzo and Connick. >From 2 - 4 p.m.: A walking tour of historic places of worship near Rittenhouse Square. Michael Stern, Director of HRPP [Historic Religious Properties Program, Preservation Alliance for Greater Philadelphia] will lead the tour beginning at the First Unitarian Churst and visiting: Temple Beth Zion-Beth Israel, 18th and Spruce [***the one Sparks and I rave about!] St. Mark's Episcopal, 1625 Locust First Baptisti Church, 17th and Sansom ******* events are FREE and open to the public. info from the church office: 215 563 3980 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 09:49:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NOT GLASS-ireland Date: Wed May 12 08:45:27 1999 Message-ID: <1999May13.62327.0> Precedence: bulk hey guys gary is flying to ireland sat-landing at shannon....not sure what cities he is going to be in, but is there anyone on bungi in that are? debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 10:17:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:19:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hanging a stone Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:24:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May12.22455.0> References: <<1999May11.132053.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I am late to this discussion, so I hope this is not redundant. When hanging a stone, a wire will rust away or break because of the constant bending. Implant a hemp rope or better yet a nylon/polyester one. Put knots at the end, that goes into the concrete. Also concrete will scratch the side of the fence. So when it is cured you will need to glue cloth on the back. But may I suggest that you use diamondcrete for this project. You can pour it thinner, so you won't have the weight to deal with. And if anyone knows, how would mosasic stone cement hold up to the elements. As for theft. Maybe you could make a couple of holes in the stone and then it could be bolted to the fence. Good Luck Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 10:43:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Homemade copper patina Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:20:42 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990512092042.019fc5f0@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk muriatic acid is HCl, or hydrochloric acid. it's used most commonly to balance swimming pool water. you can get a gallon for about $1.50 in a pool store. if you mix bleach and HCl, you liberate the Cl as a gas, which could be fatal. since household products may have this in them, you might not want to use muriatic acid to clean floors. as to what you have in your workshop, i'd guess you have harsher things there already. for instance, black patina is nitric acid. flux is a mild acid. lead is far worse in the long term. regards, charlie phx, az >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:22:38 +0100 >Subject: Re: Homemade copper patina >Sender: bshep@dircon.co.uk >From: bshep@dircon.co.uk >To: suzy@ComCAT.COM, > glass@bungi.com > >Hi There! > >What is CP? > >I always understood that muriatic acid is in fact Hydrochloric acid! What I >think you were probably smelling during the floor cleaning might have been >chlorine (bad to breath!) > >If it is H.acid I wouldn't care to have it about in my workshop. > >Chemistry was never a strong subject with me so perhaps I am wrong about >it's true identity and maybe I react too strongly to keeping such stuff but >better that than have it react with my tools, my hands (or my cats)! I >always think that that ignorance isn't as much bliss as it is dangerous! > >Don't let me stop you experimenting but do find out about what you are >handling and how to handle it first. > >In case you missed it - what is CP? > >Best regards > >BtB > > > >> >> >A little while ago someone, I think it was Bud, was asking about using >> >Copper Sulfate crystals to make their own patina. I found the following >> >"recipes" in the Whittemore-Durgin catalog last night and thought they >might >> >help. >> > >> >They say that two ounces Copper Sulfate crystals can be mixed with >> >four ounces hot water until dissolved and then brushed on while still >hot. >> >The other recipe calls for two ounces CP crystals mixed with two ounces >> >muriatic acid and two ounces hot water and brushed on while hot. They >> >mention that the muriatic acid might be called "plumbers acid" or >"tinner's >> >fluid" depending on the hardware store. >> >> My husband tried to clean our kitchen floor a few years ago with muriatic >> acid. That stuff smells awful, I was actually afraid it would kill the >> cats. I don't think it's something you want to work with. >> Suzanne >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 11:43:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: shipping stained glass & postal insurance Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:58:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May16.25844.0> References: <<1999May11.185822.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > Someone awhile back mentioned sending a SG lampshade to her daughter, > and it arrived broken....was that B Marhon?? > > Seems I recall that it would have worked out best for you if you had not > told the post office that you produced the shade? > > I've been very lucky, in that nothing that I have shipped has ever > broken...*until* today. > > I send several things in one box to Ca. I thought it was really well > packed...but one of the fairies arm's broke. > > I was wondering if someone has any experience with the post office that > could perhaps advise me with their hindsight, in how to deal with them? > > Thanks > > Tulsa Suzanne > if I have something extremely fragile I usually overnight it...my feeling, and this is backed up by my own experience, is that the less time it is in the post offices hands, the less opportunity they have to break it. I have a relative who works for the PO and NOTHING you can say to them will guarantee that they will handle your fragile object as carefully as it deserves. YOu can stamp fragile over it, but the volume they handle does not guarantee it will be seen. Sad but true. Paying extra for the overnight automatically puts it into a lower volume route than regular mail , and dramatically cuts the breaks. I am sure this is impractical if you are regurlarly shipping things out of a business unless you include that in your price and tell the person why you are only shipping overnight. But if it is an occasional gift you are making for loved ones I would just consider it money well spent. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 12:06:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ideas for a booth/products Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:10:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May12.31016.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I did a scandinavian festival last year. I do mostly stepping stones and I wanted them out in the open. The festival has very strict rules for booths. So I made a lean-to type thing, just for me to sit in and stay out of the hot hot sun. Well it looked like a used car lot. So now I am designing a new booth. I want it to look like a park. I want my small booth to look like a arbor. Does anyone know of a site on the web, that will show me scandinavian gardens, so I can get an idea how to make my little 12X12 space look like a scandinavian garden? Also I wanted to paint some round symbols, anyone know of a site for that. I made the mistake last year of thinking Pa Dutch was scandinavian, just to find out it is really german. The hex signs were fun to make though. I have just got through doing 10 events in 10 weeks. Metal Monster faeries are selling very well. Don't paint them, just leave them silver. And make their wings out of exotic glasses. And I am seeing butterflies everywhere. Are any of you having good success selling butterflies? And if so in what format? Also(thank you Don)the plantars sold well. And I took terra cotta pots, elmer glued glass scraps on the side below the lip, let that dry 2 days and them grouted it with tile wall grout. The multi colored ones got the most interest. Local boutiques are quite interested in them(there is an idea for you Dave). You can also tint the grout with mosasic stone cement tint. I have got to find a way to tint the grout the color of the pot. I think they look better before I grouted them, but you just can't leave the sharp edges exposed, not if you want to sell them. I also sold vases with floating candles. I did this to sell my left over small glass pieces. I broke the glass into very small pieces witha hammer and then put like complementing glasses together. I must admit they did not sell as well as I hoped, but it is an idea for you guys. Also be sure to include irrids and irrid clear glass in the mixure. It really makes the glass sing. Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 12:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Homemade copper patina Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May12.9477.0> Precedence: bulk This subject of homemade patinas has come up often on Bungi so I decided to do a search of the Archives. There are many references in the archives to Copper Sulfate. The following two from 1996 seem to offer the most information regarding mix to obtain desired color. === Begin excerpt from Bungi archive: digest-9701 === From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:01:10 -0800 The mix is a matter of preference. Just start with some copper sulfate crystals in a jar, add hot tap water, and mix. try the finish as you would using a comercial premix. as you add more muriatic to the mix you will see the darkness of the finish change. You need to vary the mix until it suits you. If you want to be precise about it, mix proportionaly and write down your formula. As I said we ususaly use it to match restored areas of old work so usualy mix on the fly until we achieve the desired effect ( using a little experience in knowing what to expect with various proportions.) Good luck ---- From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:50:11 -0800 For a more coppery look use no muriatic, use only copper sulfate and warm water. The other way is to use a brass paint most closely matched to the brass came being used. It is more time consuming but with care you can get an acceptable finish. ms === End excerpt from Bungi archive: digest-9701 === Perhaps as a homework assignment someone could perform some experiments keeping track of different mixtures and the color achieved. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 13:13:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Thread of Patina's Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:12:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May12.21238.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone interested in Copper Patina's, Been saving the messages that are on this subject, they are below for your enjoyments, While applying a copper patina to a panel that I recently finished, I recalled an old high-school lab project where we used a copper sulfate solution to electroplate iron nails. If my memory serves me correctly (its been about 25 years...) we had a copper sulfate solution in a small aquarium tank with a copper electrode inserted into the tank. The electrode was connected to one terminal of a 12 volt battery. The object to be plated (a nail) had a wire connected to it which was connected to the other terminal of the battery. The nail was inserted into the tank and after a few moments, presto - the nail had a nice copper plate on it. Now for my dumb question of the day. Has anyone tried applying this technique to a stained glass panel (foil or came) ? It seems to me to be a lot less work than the conventional method of applying the patina. >> I researched this, there are plating kits available for around 35.00 to do about three square feet, mainly a solution, and gauze fabric, and a copper plating brush, which is actually a copper piece of sheet. I have been searching for some sites with info on a question that I read awhile back about plating instead of patina'ing a project. Here are some links that I found. http://www.thinktink.com http://www.thinktink.com/faqs/cupltfaq/cupltf01.htm#powder http://www.thinktink.com/stack/volumes/voliii/equipmnt/bubltank/bubltank.htm http://www.caswellplating.com/nsindex.htm >>new message, I was asking about "What is Mineral Acid, since it is listed as a ingredient on the Novacan bottle, when you have the money, it's cheap, when money is not plentiful, it's not cheap. Although, just because you have the money, does not mean that you can not be helpful to those of us who do not, as this member showed. I've never made up my own patina (why bother? its so cheap) and my reference books on this type of chemistry are long gone. However, here are some of the answers and some pointers just off the top of my head. Mineral acids are acidic substances made from minerals, from ground up rocks. Some examples are Hydrochloric acid (HCl), Sulfuric Acid (H2SO4), and Nitric Acid (H2NO3). This generic term is used a lot by organic chemists a lot because when you're synthesizing a new substance, if its acidic, you can drop in a little mineral acid (doesn't matter that much which one) and the organic acid will drop out of solution and you can filter it out leaving the other stuff behind in solution thereby purifying it. I suspect that dilute mineral acids are added to aqueous copper sulfate solutions for solubility purposes; that is, to keep the copper sulfate dissolved. Try dilute sulfuric acid first. If nowhere else, you can buy battery acid (which is dilute sulfuric acid), for car batteries that is, at any auto supply, Sears etc. Sulfuric acid shouldn't react with copper sulfate since its already got sulfate ions in it. I wouldn't bother with hydrochloric acid at all since you'll probably make copper chloride instantaneously, and this is not what you want. If you're making up your own patina solutions, you should probably use distilled water rather than tap water. Tap water has a lot of things in it (including chlorine) some of which will chemically react with the copper sulfate changing it to some other substance. One of the reasons you're getting results which don't please you is the chlorine in the tap water is reacting with the copper sulfate to make copper chloride (yellow and green, depending on the oxidation state). As I recall, there are quite a few nitrates in tap water as well. In summary, use distilled tap water and dilute sulfuric acid, and see what happens. >>a link that was sent, GREAT STUFF on patina's http://w3.uwyo.edu/~metal/patinas.html >>new message They say that two ounces Copper Sulfate crystals can be mixed with four ounces hot water until dissolved and then brushed on while still hot. The other recipe calls for two ounces CP crystals mixed with two ounces muriatic acid and two ounces hot water and brushed on while hot. They mention that the muriatic acid might be called "plumbers acid" or "tinner's fluid" depending on the hardware store. >>I have found, that adding crystals to HOT distilled water, until no more will melt is a pretty good way of getting the effect that I want, I do not want the bright shiny copper, I like the aged, slightly mottled copper/bronze finish, and it works just fine whether the patina solution is hot or cold. >>OH, if you are going to add acid to the solution, ADD THE ACID TO THE WATER VERY SLOWLY, DO NOT POUR WATER INTO THE ACID. It heats up rather quickly, how do you say very fast with the possibility of boiling from chemical reactions ??? Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 13:35:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Foiling machines Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:35:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May12.33552.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Thank you to those who sent responses to the questions that I had. One offered to sell a glastar foiler, waiting to see what the offered price is,,, >From the responses, these are the things I gathered. The Mark IV is the best foiler that you can get, (400.00 ;-( ) cutting foiling time up to 60%, and able to foil pieces down to a dime in size, "Great for Lampmakers". Inability to do, or harder to do, glasses that are not machine made, i.e. Foiler need a uniform thickness of glass sheet. (since a lot of my glass stock is handrolled/handmade glass at this point, the foiler would not be able to be used on this stock) (although, the glass I use in the angel/butterfly/etc. suncatchers tends to be machine made, and that would help to speed fabrication) >From all the responses, I only got one what could be called a negative response about the use of a foiler, all the rest were praising the use of them, although it was stated multiple times that there is a learning curve of about a month to really get the hang of using one. So it is the same as any other tool, you got to be willing to take the time to use it and learn it, kinda like a computer,,, ;-) or a brain,,, Thank you all for your responses, waiting to hear from the member who offered to sell the Glastar. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 14:35:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Steve Fairbairn" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: fountain pumps Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:47:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May12.104734.0> Precedence: bulk I do know that Edmund Scientific has battery operated pumps....which work really well. I think their site is at edmundscientific.com. not sure though. pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: Steve Fairbairn To: 'Bungi Mailing List' Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 9:33 PM Subject: RE: fountain pumps >I have built a few tabletop fountains (not glass) and have found a good >source for submersible pumps and related accessories to be the garden >centre at Home Depot. I'm not sure if you have Home Depots in the US >but I imagine any home repair/renovation superstore will have them. The >pumps are available in a variety of sizes and are designed specifically >for fountains and ponds. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Johnson [mailto:sandyjoh@usmo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 1:06 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: fountain pumps > > Since posting the site for slumped glass fountains, I've >had several > requests for fountain info. Humm...maybe I found a new >business venture... > > Anyway...for fellow bungians, I'll give ya this >one...the best deal I've > found so far on the fountain pumps is thru Arcata Pet >Online at > www.artcatapet-online.com (800) 822-9085 for the Hagen >Mini Pro (seems to be > the most popular one on the market) > > They sell them individually for $13.59 internet + $5 >shipping ($16.99 in > store) or bulk at 10+each for $11.50 (shipping UPS >$8-$10). Orders over > $100 include free shipping. > > If anyone else finds them cheaper, let me know. Thanks >Sandy@da-lake! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: >glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: >glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 15:47:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: swcp.com!lgoga From: Larry Goga To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: hanging a stone Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:45:13 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Here's another idea. Instead of imbedding wire or rope, set into the concrete (while it is still wet) two bolts so that the threaded end is up out of the concrete. Once the concrete has cured, the bolts would be firmly captured in place. Of course the bolts would need to be long enough to completely go through the wall or object to which the stone is to be attached, with enough extra for washers and nuts. This is the same technique used to set anchor bolts in a concrete foundation to secure a wooden stud wall. Hope that helps. Larry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 16:15:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ideas for a booth/products Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:10:12 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199905122013.PAA00798@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Hey Shirley! You've been so quiet...I was wondering what happened to you. Should have known you were just BUSY, BUSY, BUSY! Nice of you to share your product ideas. I'm not into shows (once was enough for me!) but it's nice to know what people like -- if only for gift ideas. I'm still doing some stones but, again, for gifts. I made a small prairie-style lamp for my office and now have orders from three co- workers for same. And I did a large panel (hummingbirds and fushias) for my parents. They are driving East from Seattle (first week in June) and I'm driving West from suburban Chicago and we're meeting in Rapid City, SD for the delivery! Told my Dad if he wanted stepping stones, now was the time to speak up. Me and my big mouth-- now I've got two stones to make in the next couple of weeks! Glad to hear you're still with us--- Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 16:19:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:24:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!bkwrms From: "Bob and June Scott" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Homemade copper patina Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:27:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May12.122744.0> Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood asked: >Thanks for the recipe, but what are we making? Is it the bright >copper patina? How can I make the black patina? Does anyone >know? I tried out the first recipe using just hot water and the copper sulfate crystals and ended up with a somewhat dull, dark copper finish, not nearly as bright as the commercial one. The blurb about it in the catalog doesn't promise any specific color, it just says it will "darken the solder to give it a so-called "patina". (I love how they say "so-called", the Whittemore-Durgin catalog is a real hoot to read.) June ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 16:40:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Questions on Foiler Machines Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:15:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May12.111532.0> References: <<1999May12.5110.0>> Precedence: bulk I have a foiling machine...which I pretty much always use...but no longer use it the way it was intended...mostly I use it as a dispenser. T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 17:02:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Philadelphia Glass/ Thank you Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:16:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May12.141641.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, I just want to take this time, to say Thank You to all of you, that sent me info on places to see. I will not be in Philly til the 1st. week of July. Toward the end of June I will have a better idea of my plans. Yes maybe I can meet those of you that live in that area, over a nice meal at a local restaurant. Yours truly, Tim Byrnes/ Q.M. Stained Glass Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 18:19:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Glass Lovers Delight Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:00:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May12.1306.0> Precedence: bulk For anybody traveling to Virginia I thought I'd pass on a "heads-up" on a must see if you are in or near the area: Trinity Episcopal Church, Staunton, Virginia This church held some of the most incredible stained glass I have ever seen. It is housed in the oldest Episcopal church site west of the Blue Ridge. 3 church buildings have been constructed on the site, the latest was completed in 1855, the first in 1763. Although it is currently undergoing a total restoration, the folks in the parish office were most generous in letting us in to see it. 12 of the windows are signed "Louis C. Tiffany, Ny". They are a magnificent site. Many used drapery glass and represent work done from 1897 to 1937. My favorite was the "Benedicite (Garden) Window done in 1900. Unlike the others, this is a landscape and contains no painting on the glass. The colors are very vivid, vibrant, deep blues with scarlet and quite unusual mixed in with all the Saints etc. All have undergone restoration. There are also windows done by the English Whipple-Mowbray Studios from 1948 to 1970, J & R Lamb Studios, and the American Art Glass. Also had an opportunity to visit the National Cathedral in Washington D.C. The newest and last stained glass window titled "Space" has half of the rock brought back from the moon incorporated in it. ( the other half is in the Air and Space Museum.) I have photos and if they turn out maybe Daniel will be willing to post them on his page. Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 12 23:36:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:07:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Netscape 4.08 help? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May12.20556.0> References: <<1999May11.134050.0>> Precedence: bulk > ....she said weakly as she was about to be swallowed by that huge wave > full of sharks! Never mind. Thanks, I downloaded the stand alone version! duh! Now I downloaded 4.5something...Netscape says it's ll the rage, and I think it is way cool so far.... In my computer adventures over the last couple of days I managed to lose about 1000 email messages....so just consider me in the dark. If Im supposed to know something, chances are, I dont. ;o) I also lost my email addresses. :o( T Suz. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 00:32:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:56:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Bob and June Scott Subject: Re: Homemade copper patina Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:52:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May13.8521.0> References: <<1999May12.122744.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Well June, They are right. A patina is a surface encrustation caused by oxidation over time and use. What we are doing with the chemicals is imitating the time produced process. Steve In message <1999May12.122744.0@?>, Bob and June Scott writes >Christie A. Wood asked: > >>Thanks for the recipe, but what are we making? Is it the bright >>copper patina? How can I make the black patina? Does anyone >>know? > >I tried out the first recipe using just hot water and the copper sulfate >crystals and ended up with a somewhat dull, dark copper finish, not nearly >as bright as the commercial one. The blurb about it in the catalog doesn't >promise any specific color, it just says it will "darken the solder to give >it a so-called "patina". (I love how they say "so-called", the >Whittemore-Durgin catalog is a real hoot to read.) > >June > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 04:29:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 03:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG Netscape 4.08 help? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:37:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199905131042.KAA00965@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, and to Suzanne in Tulsa... Never mind, dear! Last night while I was hammering away on the keyboard, I managed to lose the MS Start-flag at the bottom of my screen in Win95...: :-< Toby swears he hasn't had it! Pooofff! Gone!! Not seen since! Oh well, back to old Win3.11 Do let me know if my MS-Start-flag turns up in your neck of the woods! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > ....she said weakly as she was about to be swallowed by that huge wave > > full of sharks! > > Never mind. Thanks, I downloaded the stand alone version! duh! > Now I downloaded 4.5something...Netscape says it's ll the rage, and I > think it is way cool so far.... > > In my computer adventures over the last couple of days I managed to lose > about 1000 email messages....so just consider me in the dark. > > If Im supposed to know something, chances are, I dont. ;o) > > I also lost my email addresses. :o( > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 06:58:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 06:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!mschut From: mschut@nbnet.nb.ca (mschut) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Help with Patio Stones Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:10:18 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990513091018.20776ae4@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca> Precedence: bulk I need some help with patio stones. I have made several of them now, but the last few that I have made seem to be forming a white residue on them as they dry. I think it is efflorescence, but I am not sure. I am using a 12" mold and spraying it with a cooking spray before placing the pattern in the bottom of it. I then pour the concrete (Quikcrete sand mix) into the mold and let it set for 24 hours before removing. Has anyone else experienced this problem before and if so, what causes it and what can I do about cleaning the stones that have it on them. Thanks for your help. Mike, Pam, Jonathan, Kayla & ????? Schut Moncton, New Brunswick ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 07:47:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dale Chihuly Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:55:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.2551.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk In June's issue of Vanity Fair, page 207, there is a picture of a private residence with glass sculpture by Dale Chihuly. No more information on it, I just liked the glass, so instead of buying the magazine, just peruse page 207 at the newsstand. You know, I could learn very easily to live like the people in this article. Ah well---- Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 08:31:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Sparks Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May13.5217.0> Precedence: bulk Hey wild woman... email me please. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 09:53:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" , Subject: re: Start Flag Gone in Win95? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:27:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.12753.0> Precedence: bulk I researched a similar problem on the internet, I had lost my recyle bin, found a page that said to go to C:\Windows\INF\ and find the SHELL.INF file and right click on it, and choose INSTALL By doing this, all the things that were wrong with my graphic user interface fixed themselves. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 04:37 AM Subject: Re: NG Netscape 4.08 help? Hi all, and to Suzanne in Tulsa... Never mind, dear! Last night while I was hammering away on the keyboard, I managed to lose the MS Start-flag at the bottom of my screen in Win95...: :-< Toby swears he hasn't had it! Pooofff! Gone!! Not seen since! Oh well, back to old Win3.11 Do let me know if my MS-Start-flag turns up in your neck of the woods! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > ....she said weakly as she was about to be swallowed by that huge wave > > full of sharks! > > Never mind. Thanks, I downloaded the stand alone version! duh! > Now I downloaded 4.5something...Netscape says it's ll the rage, and I > think it is way cool so far.... > > In my computer adventures over the last couple of days I managed to lose > about 1000 email messages....so just consider me in the dark. > > If Im supposed to know something, chances are, I dont. ;o) > > I also lost my email addresses. :o( > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 12:29:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: pj-test Date: Thu May 13 11:56:12 1999 Message-ID: <1999May14.93412.0> Precedence: bulk pj was sending a test message to bungi to see if you get it...... debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 13:52:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: NG: Giraffes and hospitals Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:08:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.5851.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Been working on tracing a giraffe pattern, think it will be to much money for what they want to spend, although it will be a real nice complicated panel when it is done, so they might decide to go for it, if not, I will have a nice panel for home decoration. Something has been happening in the last day, I broke up with the girlfriend again two weeks ago, Mom had asked me not to invite people over on Saturday for dinner, since that is the day that she works on the Sunday Talk, and needs it quiet. I told the girlfriend this, and she went into drama about it (she has been eating here off and on for about a year, just her and I and Mom) recently, she brought one of her boys from Colorado to live with her. I tried one week of having him over on Saturday for dinner, and it was a lot of noise, and mess to clean up, he is 13. The latest with him, is he dyed his hair blue, and got kicked out of school for the hair/dress code violation, this is the third time he has gotten kicked out in the two months he has been here. Well, I took her home that Saturday, and she was going all out with her drama, telling me that if I did not let them eat at the house, then he would have to eat t.v. dinners, and that it was the only good meal that he got during the week, stuff like that. Felt like telling her that if she would learn to cook, maybe they might eat a little better, only kept mouth shut. And walked her to her door, and left to come back home to cook dinner. I make a pretty good pot of spagetthi, and that is normally what we have on Saturday. On Sunday, she went off on my Mom at church, and Mom back tracked and said that she did not mean her when she asked me not to ask people over for dinner on Saturday. The fact that the girlfriend went off on Mom, is the straw that for me brought about the choice to break it off again. I had decided that I wanted to try to work things out, only this kind of stuff is not okay with me. So, I stopped seeing her again. She then threatened to quit working at the church, in fact told Mom that she quit, Mom did not accept her resignation, asked her to work through her feelings, another lady who has been there many years, did quit, and took another job with one of the members of the church. They worked together in the same office, no more than 5 feet from each other. The latest is that she has now self-admitted herself into the hospital for major depression. Now there seems to be two ways to see this, One, that she made a conscious choice to seek help,,, Two, that she went into her high drama, and is using this as a means to try and force a response from me, and/or the church, she is using church insurance to pay for it. Was talking with another church member this morning, and from the conversation, came to this reasoning, that either reason the choice was made, that she is now in a place where there are people trained to deal with the behaviors that she thinks are normal coping behaviors, and that if she did it to try and manipulate others, that in the end, she will be the one getting the help, that is very much needed. Do not know what is going to happen to the boy, he has a brother here in Southern California, perhaps he will go live with him, or back to Colorado to live with his father. I have feelings for the woman, only am not willing to live with this kind of insanity as a way of life. So that is part of what is bouncing around, this empty vessel of mine. Oh, figured out a way to make twisted wire, use the power drill on low speed, with a hook thru the end loop, much faster than the Morton spinner, and a tighter twist also ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 14:30:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Crop circle design Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:48:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May13.124835.0> Precedence: bulk Here's the whole story on the crop circles. They are just part of the design. It's for a clock and also needs to include a dolphin and the earth. (Look, I don't always make these things up.) Crop circles, no trouble, done. Dolphin, no trouble, done. Earth, well...I want to get some swirly cloud effects...maybe a layer of white baroque over blue and brown(or green?) and white circle. I've started off with the southern hemisphere, showing Africa and Antartica (because it was easy...and unexpected.) But if anyone else has an idea about making a globe and showing the swirly clouds, I'm ready to read. The weather is beautiful and my neighbor overbought tomatoes, so gave me three flats, so I have to go dig now. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 15:33:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Giraffe Patterns ? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:17:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.71749.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Just got done working on a pattern for a Giraffe, it is mucho more intense of a pattern than what I think they want to pay for. Wish I could find a simple giraffe, all I have found are photographs, and I just got done tracing one. Just did a fast count, about 2/3 way through I was up to 63 pieces. ;-( Plus the fact that it looks like at least a couple of pounds of solder would go into it. For all the lines between the spots on a giraffe. Wish I could find, or be shared with, a simple giraffe pattern,,, Anybody got one ??? Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 15:54:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: ideas for a booth/products Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:35:50 EDT Message-ID: <1999May13.213550.0> Precedence: bulk Re craft show stuff: Yes, I have been selling glass patio lanterns and large patio candle votives like they're going out of style! This past weekend's show pretty much wiped my inventory out of both... sold ALL of my patio votives and 9 out of 11 lanterns! I also did well with stones too - and surprisingly enough, not the patterned kind, just ones made from scrap glass! Laura in PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 17:28:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dale Chihuly Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:47:46 EDT Message-ID: <1999May13.234746.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone been to Las Vegas to see Dale Chiluly's glass installation at the Bellagio? It is absolutely magnificent and well worth visiting. And while in Las Vegas be sure to go to the Sunset Station where they have a bar called the "Gaudi" Bar which has fantastic Antonio Gaudi like glass covering almost the entire ceiling. And for more traditional glass Main Street Station has glass windows that look as if they could have been done by LaFarge! Wonderful stuff- who needs to gamble? Gwyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 18:02:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!nbg3755 From: Nancy B Gildersleeve To: HiimLaura@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: ideas for a booth/products Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:26:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.132656.0> Precedence: bulk Good for you, Laura! What do the patio votive candle holders look like? How big are they? I'd love to see a picture. nancy G in FL ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 18:22:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BobDu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Bud Britt" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Giraffe Patterns ? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:41:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.104156.0> Precedence: bulk Making a giraffe in stained glass is a good place to employ painting for things like the spots. While most people on this list do not do fired painting it is not something to be disregarded. Perhaps you could find a studio that would paint the glass and fire it for you? A bit of sub contracting could result in you being able to produce a far wider range of product. After a while you might well find that you could make the small investment to paint your own spots and contract out only the firing. Then you might get a kiln, etc.. Do not think smaller than necessary and practical. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt To: AA_Bungi Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 3:55 PM Subject: Giraffe Patterns ? >Hello Everyone, > >Just got done working on a pattern for a Giraffe, it is mucho more intense >of a pattern than what I think they want to pay for. Wish I could find a >simple giraffe, all I have found are photographs, and I just got done >tracing one. Just did a fast count, about 2/3 way through I was up to 63 >pieces. ;-( > >Plus the fact that it looks like at least a couple of pounds of solder would >go into it. For all the lines between the spots on a giraffe. > >Wish I could find, or be shared with, a simple giraffe pattern,,, > >Anybody got one ??? > > >Sincerely, >Bud Britt > >computerministry@unitytustin.org >page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 19:18:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BobDu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.112126.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry to forward this message to the whole list but these people should not be penalized because I CRS. And they did say please and thank you. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: Jo Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 7:32 PM Subject: ROTTWEILER DESIGN >My husband love rottweilers and i want to make him a stained glass rottw >eiler but cant find a pattern. If there is anybody out there that have a > rottweiler design, can you please help me. > >Thank you so much. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Article poste via Voila News - http://www.news.voila.fr >Le : Wed May 12 04:32:04 1999 depuis l'IP : 208.146.124.113 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 20:06:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Giraffe Patterns ? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:15:39 -0400 Message-ID: <199905140216.WAA00594@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/13/99 8:41 PM Bob Duchesneau BobDu@prodigy.net >Making a giraffe in stained glass is a good place to employ painting >for things like the spots. While most people on this list do not do >fired painting it is not something to be disregarded. Perhaps you >could find a studio that would paint the glass and fire it for you? A >bit of sub contracting could result in you being able to produce a far >wider range of product. > >After a while you might well find that you could make the small >investment to paint your own spots and contract out only the firing. >Then you might get a kiln, etc.. > >Do not think smaller than necessary and practical. Bob Another alternative would be to use glass that looks spotty like a giraffe - some bullseye perhaps. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 23:36:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 22:41:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bob Duchesneau" , Subject: Re: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:26:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.152610.0> Precedence: bulk There is someone on this Bungi list that has those kind of dogs on their web page in stained glass, forgot who, only I know that there is, been there, seen that,,, Come on, who's got the ROTTWEILER DESIGN ??? Or if nobody has a pattern, Jo, email me a GOOD picture of the dog, and I will try to trace you a pattern in PhotoShop, getting pretty good at it,,, ;-) Most of the stained glass windows I have seen are facial view or side head views,,, I can handle around a 2 meg file at one time. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 07:43 PM Subject: Fw: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Sorry to forward this message to the whole list but these people should not be penalized because I CRS. And they did say please and thank you. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: Jo Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 7:32 PM Subject: ROTTWEILER DESIGN >My husband love rottweilers and i want to make him a stained glass rottw >eiler but cant find a pattern. If there is anybody out there that have a > rottweiler design, can you please help me. > >Thank you so much. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Article poste via Voila News - http://www.news.voila.fr >Le : Wed May 12 04:32:04 1999 depuis l'IP : 208.146.124.113 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 13 23:54:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 May 1999 23:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Unknown Artist Of Stained Glass Windows Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:06:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May13.16611.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Can anybody help out with any info? It would be appreciated. Thanks, Pam Hello, I'm a writer and photographer conducting research on a series of stained glass windows in St. Augustine Cathedral, Cagayan de Oro, Philippines. They were supposedly donated to Archbishop James Hayes in Cagayan de Oro, Philippines by the "Sisters of the Sacred Heart in New York" between 1946 and 1950. A photo of a part of it is placed at this address: http://cdo.weblinq.com/~nazca/stainedglass.html. Do you know the historical details about these priceless gifts? I would appreciate very much if you could tell me, for instance, who did the painting. If you don=92t know, could you introduce me to an expert? Several historians and artists in our city consider the subject of very high artistic value, but details are unknown. Respectfully, Elson T. Elizaga Cagayan de Oro, Philippines -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 05:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 04:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: twisting wire with the drill Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:40:22 EDT Message-ID: <1999May14.114022.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/13/99 4:55:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: > Oh, figured out a way to make twisted wire, use the power drill on low > speed, with a hook thru the end loop, much faster than the Morton spinner, > and a tighter twist also ;-) > Bud, Be careful, it does work, but when the wire breaks you have an incredible weapon there. A spinning piece of broken twisted wire can be a dangerous thing. Good luck with the girlfriend situation. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 06:38:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: US POST AND GLASS Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:27:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May14.12716.0> Precedence: bulk I watched a woman on tv talk about a glass lamp shade she had mailed from California to Albuquerque, NM, and had insured it for the value of the lamp. The lamp arrived with a few broken pieces. When she made her claim, the post office would not pay, because they said it was improper packing, and they only pay for damage to the box. However, she said that the lamp had been really packed well, however, there was no physical evidence on the box that it had been roughly handled. The woman's final remark was that the next time she made a claim, she would take a hammer to the box. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 06:59:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 05:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen" To: "Bungi List" Subject: RE: ideas for a booth/products Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:55:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May14.3558.0> Precedence: bulk Shirley, Lowes has a cement colorant called "buff" that is a terra cotta color that would match clay pots pretty well. Are you water sealing the pots before using the elmers glue? I heard that if you don't the water for the plants will soak up into the clay pot and loosen the glue. Haven't done these myself so just repeating something I heard about. I did some butterfly garden stakes, almost sold out of them at last show. Doing 10 in 10 weeks must keep you real busy. Karen >>I did a scandinavian festival last year. I do mostly stepping stones and >>I wanted them out in the open. The festival has very strict rules for >>booths. So I made a lean-to type thing, just for me to sit in and stay >>out of the hot hot sun. Well it looked like a used car lot. >>So now I am designing a new booth. I want it to look like a park. I >>want my small booth to look like a arbor. >>Does anyone know of a site on the web, that will show me scandinavian >>gardens, so I can get an idea how to make my little 12X12 space look >>like a scandinavian garden? >>Also I wanted to paint some round symbols, anyone know of a site for >>that. >>I made the mistake last year of thinking Pa Dutch was scandinavian, just >>to find out it is really german. The hex signs were fun to make though. >>I have just got through doing 10 events in 10 weeks. Metal Monster >>faeries are selling very well. Don't paint them, just leave them >>silver. And make their wings out of exotic glasses. >>And I am seeing butterflies everywhere. Are any of you having good >>success selling butterflies? And if so in what format? >>Also(thank you Don)the plantars sold well. >>And I took terra cotta pots, elmer glued glass scraps on the side below >>the lip, let that dry 2 days and them grouted it with tile wall grout. >>The multi colored ones got the most interest. Local boutiques are quite >>interested in them(there is an idea for you Dave). You can also tint >>the grout with mosasic stone cement tint. I have got to find a way to >>tint the grout the color of the pot. I think they look better before I >>grouted them, but you just can't leave the sharp edges exposed, not if >>you want to sell them. >>I also sold vases with floating candles. I did this to sell my left >>over small glass pieces. I broke the glass into very small pieces witha >>hammer and then put like complementing glasses together. I must admit >>they did not sell as well as I hoped, but it is an idea for you guys. >>Also be sure to include irrids and irrid clear glass in the mixure. It >>really makes the glass sing. >>Thanks in advance. >>Shirley B >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 08:14:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG: Giraffes and hospitals Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 06:56:31 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >Hi Bud, > >>>>>>One, that she made a conscious choice to seek help<<<<< >This is a GOOD thing! >Kindness is a gift to share, and you and your Mom have most definitely shown this, to this woman. And I wouldn't stop. Sometimes people to do crazy things to cry for help. But it's important to get professional help also. >Blue hair,eh????...Hmmmm....grin. >Hey Bud...go slow with twisting wire in the drill. And twisted lead came (U shaped) is real neat too. I use it for window hangers that I've encompassed straight lead came around first. Then I put some lead in the vise at one end and in the drill at the other....and twist slowly with the drill. >Best of GOOD wishes to you and your Mom. >Cindy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 08:44:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:59:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: NG: giraffes and hospitals Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:58:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1999May14.85816.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, sorry to hear about your girlfriend. I worked with a psychiatric unit for elderly patients for three years and spent a lot of time with family members/caregivers. I can tell you that the amount of pain someone can cause you is only as much as you allow. Your friend's coping abilities may be compromised by illness or the hospital admission may be part of her coping/drama. Whatever the case, you friend is right, either way she may get the help she needs. What is important is that you decide how much she will impact your life. I think you were extremely courageous to make that decision; so often the pain of one is allowed to hurt so many and the sad thing is that when it is allowed, no one gets the kind of help that could make a difference in everybody's life. Keep the faith. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 09:10:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:28:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May14.6283.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. Some questions regarding working with lead. I am having a heck of a time cutting 1/4" H came lead. I am using a lead knife. But it seems I end up using an excessive amount of energy/pressure, and usually end up with the cut ends needing to be straightened out. Is there an easier way to cut lead this thick? I do own a Gryphon Chop Saw, but the instructions recommend against using the blade on lead. Is there any reason why I can't use the chop saw on lead? Or if I'm to use the lead knife, do yall have any suggestions on how to properly use it, and maintain it? Thanks for any answers. Christie A. Wood (she of the heavily-muscled forearms) Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 09:11:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: mosaic'ed pots Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May14.6449.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Karen" >Are you water sealing the pots before using the elmers glue? I heard that if you don't the water for the plants will soak up into the clay pot and loosen the glue.< Don't paint the pots prior to mosaic'ing them, either. After a couple of years, the paint flakes off due to the water problem mentioned above, and destroys the entire mosaic work. This happened to a couple of my pots that I painted first, then did the mosaic work. I now water seal the pots prior to doing any mosaic work. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 09:41:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.smu.edu!gshultz From: Gary Shultz To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: US POST AND GLASS Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1999May14.12716.0>> Precedence: bulk It was explained to me recently that marking a box "Glass - Handle With Care" was viewed by some postal workers as a challenge, and not an encouragement to use care. -Gary >I watched a woman on tv talk about a glass lamp shade she had mailed from >California to Albuquerque, NM, and had insured it for the value of the lamp. >The lamp arrived with a few broken pieces. When she made her claim, the >post office would not pay, because they said it was improper packing, and >they only pay for damage to the box. However, she said that the lamp had >been really packed well, however, there was no physical evidence on the box >that it had been roughly handled. The woman's final remark was that the >next time she made a claim, she would take a hammer to the box. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 09:43:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: US POST AND GLASS + A pricing question Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:04:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May14.1427.0> References: <<1999May14.12716.0>> Precedence: bulk Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > I watched a woman on tv talk about a glass lamp shade she had mailed from > California to Albuquerque, NM, and had insured it for the value of the lamp. > The lamp arrived with a few broken pieces. When she made her claim, the > post office would not pay, because they said it was improper packing, and > they only pay for damage to the box. However, she said that the lamp had > been really packed well, however, there was no physical evidence on the box > that it had been roughly handled. The woman's final remark was that the > next time she made a claim, she would take a hammer to the box. Interesting story ... kind of useless without followup though. The obvious question is : What constitutes "proper packing" for stained glass (flat, lamps ... whatever) in the eyes of the USPO? Anybody know? Any URL's and/or other info/stories? How do companies like Home Decorators (www.homedecorators.com), who are now selling lamps and panels of SG, pack such items? BTW, from the price these items must either be made in China or, if in the USA, in immigrant sweat shops (a la the LA and NYC clothiers). Lets take an example, there is a lamp in their catalog, I estimate the shade has105-125 pieces with a 16" diameter, for $189 USD (table) and $199 (floor). Following the usual business formulas, they're buying the entire lamp for about $60-$65 (maximum), complete with packing, box, bulb, etc. Considering that materials must be on the order of $25 minimum (including cast metal base, electrical parts, glass, solder ...), and figuring profit in, the labor must be on the order of $10 to $15 USD / lamp absolute max. A lamp like that must require a minimum of 3-4 hours of glass cutting, foiling, soldering, assembly, packing .... probably more like 6-8 hrs all said and done .... so ... the workers are getting a max of $3.5 to $4 /hr ... and a min of $1 to $2 USD / hr. I'm just guessing in this reverse engineering ... but perhaps someone could clarify. Perhaps I could express this another way. Is there anyone on this list, who could make a "tiffany style" lamp complete with electrical parts, bulb, completely assembled and packed in a box for shipping, and then sell it for $189 and make money? Serious question actually. Regards to all .......... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 10:02:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Re: twisting wire with the drill Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:17:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May14.11750.0> Precedence: bulk >Be careful, it does work, but when the wire breaks you have an incredible >weapon there. A spinning piece of broken twisted wire can be a dangerous >thing. Well, I can see that happening, only I twist about 15 to 20 feet at a time, and use a 1/2 drill (very heavy, while twisting the wire, it will pull the drill on the floor as the wire shortens, keeps the tension on the wire and keeps it straight) on very low speed, (the length is the length of the garage) and when I am done twisting, back off a couple of revolutions to take the tendency to (wish they would tell me what these words mean, tendency = ability to do always one way) tendency to twist into knot upon release from drill. (the angels, guides, guardians, spirits, energies, voices, whatever you are comfortable to call them, tend to watch out for me pretty well, when I am about to do something really stupid or dangerous (out of lack of not knowing any better), they will warn me, and offer other ways to get same or similar results) I have only used stranded 16 to 20 gauge copper wire so far, it takes solder so much better, and gives a additional detail look to the edge of the piece (twisted wire, that has twist in the stranded wire, a twist in a twist), was using beaded chain for a while, only it was expensive. Wire is 12 cents a foot, chain is 59 cents a foot. So with the wire it works out to about maybe 30 cents a foot after the twisting, (two wires, twisted which shortens it) And thank you for watching out for me, they said to thank you for them also,,, ;-) One just asked, does your email name mean "Concept Thinker" ? Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org ; glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 05:16 AM Subject: twisting wire with the drill In a message dated 5/13/99 4:55:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: > Oh, figured out a way to make twisted wire, use the power drill on low > speed, with a hook thru the end loop, much faster than the Morton spinner, > and a tighter twist also ;-) > Bud, Be careful, it does work, but when the wire breaks you have an incredible weapon there. A spinning piece of broken twisted wire can be a dangerous thing. Good luck with the girlfriend situation. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 10:12:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:07:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" , Subject: Tracing in Photoshop, Re: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May14.0523.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Rick, You did not say which version of PhotoShop you had, I use 5, so somethings changed between the versions, only I think this is pretty basic stuff. Well what I do is open the picture, goto image, mode, make sure it's RGB, if not make it so. then image, image size, and change the resolution, un check the two check boxes at the bottom of the dialog (constrain prop, and resample) make it about 600 dpi or so. after I set the dpi to around 600, then I go back to image, image size, and check them two boxes, and make it at least 900 pixels wide. (now the change in dpi will only affect the trace line smoothness, not the original picture, it will be blocky when you enlarge to trace) okay, then I go to image, adjust, hue/saturation, and check colorize, and play with the sliders until I get a real light red brown color (find what ever color is best for you), and I lighten it up, and apply it. Now the picture is about there, click the full screen button in it's window (between the minus and the X, upper right corner) using the LAYERS floating palette, i add a layer, by click on the little icon in the bottom of that platte that looks like a bottom left corner of a page being turned, this will put a layer on top the picture (this is why you have to be in RGB mode) (or use layer, new, new layer) This is the layer that you will trace on. now, using the magnafiying glass tool zoom in, and then make sure you are on the layer that you just made, in the layer palette, and START TRACING using the pencil (hard edge), or paint brush (soft edge), and a small brush size. oh, they just said that you might have your perfernces at default, under file, preferences, display and cursors, I got my set to brush size (painting), and precise (other), this allows you to see the actual size of the brush, instead of the general icon for painting/drawing. (if you find you switched layers, and traced on your picture layer, you can select by color range, and cut and paste to your top layer, using the tool in upper right to move the pasted data into the right position) Sorry for the poor spelling this morning, still waking up, just got up, flipped the puter on, did the morning waste deposit (how to say, and not gross, ;-) ), got a cup of coffee, the reason that puter got turned on, is the monitor needs to warm up, before I can see the full screen, how do we say cold foldback with not a way to fix it, until them electrons get the coldness crackled and zapped out of the electron guns, it a VERY old NEC Multisync XL 21 inch, that is down to about 16.8 inches, that someone threw out because it was not working perfectly, kinda like stuff like that, kinda like me, maybe that is part of the problem, or maybe the solution ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Rick To: Bud Britt Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 01:32 AM Subject: Re: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Bud how do you trace in Photoshop? I have it but never tried it. Thanks, Rick --- Bud Britt wrote: > There is someone on this Bungi list that has those > kind of dogs on their web > page in stained glass, forgot who, only I know that > there is, been there, > seen that,,, > > Come on, who's got the ROTTWEILER DESIGN ??? > > Or if nobody has a pattern, Jo, email me a GOOD > picture of the dog, and I > will try to trace you a pattern in PhotoShop, > getting pretty good at it,,, > ;-) Most of the stained glass windows I have seen > are facial view or side > head views,,, I can handle around a 2 meg file at > one time. > > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Duchesneau > To: Bungi > Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 07:43 PM > Subject: Fw: ROTTWEILER DESIGN > > > Sorry to forward this message to the whole list but > these people > should not be penalized because I CRS. And they did > say please and > thank you. Bob > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Think glass: have class. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jo > Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 7:32 PM > Subject: ROTTWEILER DESIGN > > > >My husband love rottweilers and i want to make him > a stained glass > rottw > >eiler but cant find a pattern. If there is anybody > out there that > have a > > rottweiler design, can you please help me. > > > >Thank you so much. > > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >Article poste via Voila News - > http://www.news.voila.fr > >Le : Wed May 12 04:32:04 1999 depuis l'IP : > 208.146.124.113 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 10:14:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: residue on stones Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:52:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May14.15230.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Stained Glass News #43 said this: Why do my mosasic projects develop a white film on the grout? It seems to just appear and I can't wash it off. We talked to a couple of different manufacturers about this problem, and they had basically the same answer(which is a good sign!). It seems that the deposit comes from a combination of oxide and sulfate compounds weeping from the grout or the concrete mix. This is apparently a common problem, even in other industries. For instance, it is not uncommon to find this deposit on the mortar between bricks on a new house. There doesn't seem to be any particular set of circumstances that causes it to happen, but there are a couple of things that you can do to help minimize the effect. If you are making stepping stones, remove the stone form the mold as soon as possible. Once your project is thoroughly dry, apply a good quality concrete or grout sealer. The film can usually be removed using a scrub brush and vinegar or boiled linseed oil. As a last resort, you can try a weak solution of muriatic acid, but be sure to wear the proper protective gear. I take my 14" dia./2" thick stones out after drying 12 hours in 72 degrees. Hope that answers the question. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 10:30:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stained glass mobiles Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:31:46 EDT Message-ID: <1999May14.163146.0> Precedence: bulk ISomeone, I can't seem to find the post now said that they were making mobiles. I have been thinking of designing a mobile for my living room and I would love to hear how to attach the peices, solder o rings and then use wire or nylon? Is there a neater way than to have something with a knot showing? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 11:16:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: US POST AND GLASS + A pricing question Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:20:31 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990514102031.009f51f0@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:19:18 >To: ezcomezgo@earthlink.net >From: Charles Spitzer >Subject: Re: US POST AND GLASS + A pricing question >In-Reply-To: <"1999May14.1427.0*"@MHS> > >At 08:04 AM 5/14/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >>Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: >> >>> I watched a woman on tv talk about a glass lamp shade she had mailed from >>> California to Albuquerque, NM, and had insured it for the value of the lamp. >>> The lamp arrived with a few broken pieces. When she made her claim, the >>> post office would not pay, because they said it was improper packing, and >>> they only pay for damage to the box. However, she said that the lamp had >>> been really packed well, however, there was no physical evidence on the box >>> that it had been roughly handled. The woman's final remark was that the >>> next time she made a claim, she would take a hammer to the box. >> >>Interesting story ... kind of useless without followup though. >> >>The obvious question is : What constitutes "proper packing" for stained glass >>(flat, lamps ... whatever) in the eyes of the USPO? >> >>Anybody know? >> >>Any URL's and/or other info/stories? > > actually, if you take it there and get it inspected before sending it, then it will pass as proper packing. you have to have them inspect the inside packing though, so don't seal it up. proper packing, at least for electronics, is not the original box as you may expect. it must be double boxed, with at least a 2" filled air space between each side of the box. it can be filled with almost anything: styrofoam, peanuts, air bubbles, etc. my company pays fedex or dhl (for international) about $20million for shipping each year. almost none is damaged. i haven't heard of ANY damage in at least a couple of years. regards, charlie phx, az -- Charles Spitzer Stratus Computer, Inc Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 11:38:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:23:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: US POST AND GLASS Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:19:26 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199905141722.MAA23971@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk However, she said that the lamp had FF00,0000,0000>been really packed well, however, there was no physical evidence on the box >that it had been roughly handled. The woman's final remark was that the >next time she made a claim, she would take a hammer to the box. To play devil's advocate here, doesn't it seem odd that there was no physical evidence of rough handling? That is, I can understand if a side or corner of the box was caved in....but if the box shows no damage....I think one would tend to suspect the internal packaging, no? Knowing how roughly stuff is handled by the post office (and other carriers), I think anyone who sends stuff must accept a certain level of risk. I have absolutely no allegiance to the USPS, but to my mind a box in pristine condition does give some weight to their allegation of poor packing. Granted, they can always make this claim, but it would lose credence if the box is bashed in. I think the answer may be to pack it well, but try to ship it in an already damaged outer container! : - ) Kaye Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 11:48:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.netbistro.com!pom From: "J. Smith" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Sealer for concrete Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:31:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May14.3312.0> Precedence: bulk Hi ! A great and readily available product for sealing drywall,concrete,brick etc is Weldbond space age adhesive! You can use it 10 to 1 with water! Hope that helps Shirley! Jen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 11:56:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: "Christie A. Wood" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May14.3419.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, when I use my lead knife, I rock it back and forth over the top of the channel and not the side, and I always make sure it is sharp. I generally use a lead nippers on 1/4" and the knife on wider lead. Without watching you do it, I suspect you are just pushing straight down through the came. Let me know how it works out. Rick --- "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > Hi all. Some questions regarding working with lead. > I am having a heck of a time cutting 1/4" H came > lead. > I am using a lead knife. But it seems I end up > using an > excessive amount of energy/pressure, and usually > end up with the cut ends needing to be straightened > out. > > Is there an easier way to cut lead this thick? I do > own > a Gryphon Chop Saw, but the instructions recommend > against using the blade on lead. Is there any > reason > why I can't use the chop saw on lead? Or if I'm to > use > the lead knife, do yall have any suggestions on how > to > properly use it, and maintain it? > > Thanks for any answers. > > Christie A. Wood (she of the heavily-muscled > forearms) > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > http://www.igga.org/wood/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 12:01:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: rrk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: US POST AND GLASS + A pricing question Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May18.32417.0> References: <<1999May14.1427.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk I have never purchased stained glass thru the mail (why buy what I can make, ya know?) but I HAVE purchased extremely fragile items. What I have seen is that this little itsy bitsy thing arrives in a HUMONGOUS box. Usually the item is packed in the type of box you would get if you bought said item in a store with all the accompanying packing material around it holding it from moving around in that box. then THAT box is placed inside of the humongous box with lots and lots and lots of "peanuts" around it. Lillian Vernon especially I have noticed you have to reach in and fish out everything you bought because it is such a big box with sooo many of those packing peanuts for very small items (all individual packed in other boxes as well) I know it is bad for the environment, all that styrofoam and such, but the overkill in packing is probably the ONLY way to ensure lack of breakage. I also notice very few of these companies mail things via the post office...most of them use UPS or Fedex....perhaps they are more careful with breakables. I shipped a word processor cross country to my mother once..I went to one of those "mailbox" places and let them pack it and UPS it to her and it arrived in perfect condition....obviously it can be done, its just a matter of figuring out which carrier to use and going for broke on the packaging. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 12:18:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BobDu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:47:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May14.34756.0> Precedence: bulk >>Hi all. Some questions regarding working with lead. I am having a heck of a time cutting 1/4" H came lead. I am using a lead knife. But it seems I end up using an excessive amount of energy/pressure, and usually end up with the cut ends needing to be straightened out. Is there an easier way to cut lead this thick? I do own a Gryphon Chop Saw, but the instructions recommend against using the blade on lead. Is there any reason why I can't use the chop saw on lead? Or if I'm to use the lead knife, do yall have any suggestions on how to properly use it, and maintain it? Thanks for any answers. Christie A. Wood (she of the heavily-muscled forearms)<< I most often use lead dikes for cutting lead. When using a lead knife it should be sharp and rocked back and forth. Using a lubricant like soap is a great help. Also, the knife should not be hollow ground. Plain lead can be cut on a fine tooth chop saw but it tends to quickly clog up the blade. I cut brass reinforced lead with a chop saw all the time. Think the brass heart in this lead tends to unclog the blade. I have not tried it but a bit of soap rubbed on the blade might reduce the tendency to clog when cutting plain lead. .......... Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 13:51:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stained glass mobiles Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:35:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990514123503.0094c920@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999May14.163146.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:31 PM 5/14/99 EDT, Gloyn@aol.com wrote: >ISomeone, I can't seem to find the post now said that they were making >mobiles. I have been thinking of designing a mobile for my living room and I >would love to hear how to attach the peices, solder o rings and then use wire >or nylon? Is there a neater way than to have something with a knot showing? I have a glass mobile that uses small beads for this purpose. On the final piece on a string, the nylon passes through the hole in the glass and it tied to the bead, which tends to hide the knot. On intermediate pieces, the nylon passes through the hole, snags a bead, passes back through the hole, and then on its merry way. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 14:17:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Christie A. Wood" Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:53:22 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May14.215322.0> References: <<1999May14.6283.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Christie I cut all my calme with a lead knife. Two important things: 1) make sure the lead knife is sharp 2) cut with an oscillating motion while pressing down. Work with the tool, rather than forcing it. It does take time to get the feel of this kind of cutting. Once you are used to it, it is a much more versatile method than lead dykes. My most successful lead knives are stiff wallpaper or paint scraper blades, sharpened very well. One person I have worked with uses a Stanley knife to cut the calme. This means you have to cut the calme close to the edge of the bench, of course, so you have room for your knuckles. Steve In message <1999May14.6283.0@?>, Christie A. Wood writes >Hi all. Some questions regarding working with lead. >I am having a heck of a time cutting 1/4" H came lead. >I am using a lead knife. But it seems I end up using an >excessive amount of energy/pressure, and usually >end up with the cut ends needing to be straightened >out. > >Is there an easier way to cut lead this thick? I do own >a Gryphon Chop Saw, but the instructions recommend >against using the blade on lead. Is there any reason >why I can't use the chop saw on lead? Or if I'm to use >the lead knife, do yall have any suggestions on how to >properly use it, and maintain it? > >Thanks for any answers. > >Christie A. Wood (she of the heavily-muscled forearms) >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >http://www.igga.org/wood/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 15:25:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Stained glass mobiles Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:56:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May14.125618.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Gloyn@aol.com >ISomeone, I can't seem to find the post now said that they were making = mobiles. I have been thinking of designing a mobile for my living room a= nd I = would love to hear how to attach the peices, solder o rings and then use wire = or nylon? Is there a neater way than to have something with a knot showing?< I've made some mobiles. The prettiest mobile hanging mechanism I've found is a clear acrylic one made by The Glass Eye Studio (no relation to the software program). The acrylic is shapped in a serpantine "S", and they drill 3, 6, or 12 holes through the acrylic from which clear fishing line is dangled, and an earring hook is attached= at the end. You simply hang your stained glass pieces from these earring hooks. I make my own O rings by using a piece of copper wire. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 16:20:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:56:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May14.125610.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Charles Spitzer >to use a lead knife: place the lead crown up on a flat surface. rock the= knife back and forth putting even, medium pressure. the key is to have a very sharp knife, and let the blade do the cutting, not the pressure. if you press to hard, it crushes instead.< OK - you've described my problem exactly. I do place the lead crown up on a flat surface, and rock the knife back & forth....but looks like m= y knife has gotten too dull to allow the medium pressure instead of the extreme pressure. Now, my follow-on question is...anybody have any recommendations on how to best sharpen a lead knife? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 16:33:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: pjnelson@mail.megsinet.net To: Bud Britt , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:01:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <1999May14.21129.0> Precedence: bulk Come on, who's got the ROTTWEILER DESIGN ??? I do.... ... and I've got her address already. Someone, thank youwhoeveryouare... forwarded my website address to her. My server's kinda pukey so I'm alittle slow to respond to some things today. Paula The Glass Dog Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 16:47:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: pjnelson@mail.megsinet.net To: Bud Britt , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:00:50 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <1999May14.21050.0> Precedence: bulk Come on, who's got the ROTTWEILER DESIGN ??? I do.... ... and I've got her address already. Someone, thank youwhoeveryouare... forwarded my website address to her. My server's kinda pukey so I'm alittle slow to respond to some things today. Paula The Glass Dog Studio http://www.glassdogstudio.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 16:47:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: pjnelson@mail.megsinet.net To: Bud Britt , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <1999May14.21037.0> Precedence: bulk Come on, who's got the ROTTWEILER DESIGN ??? I do.... ... and I've got her address already. Someone, thank youwhoeveryouare... forwarded my website address to her. My server's kinda pukey so I'm alittle slow to respond to some things today. Paula The Glass Dog Studio http://www.glassdogstudio.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 16:54:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: pjnelson@mail.megsinet.net To: Bud Britt , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ROTTWEILER DESIGN Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:15:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <1999May14.211534.0> Precedence: bulk I admit it... I do rotts... having 4+ available for model duty makes it easy... Paula uitland@glassdogstudio.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 17:08:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:03:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May14.14333.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dani Greer >FAn-out lead dykes work great< Thanks for the info. What is the best way of sharpening lead knifes & lead dykes? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 17:11:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Icelandic Light Show Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:10:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May14.111033.0> Precedence: bulk I was very excited to see Halla Har featured in the light show. I went to school in Keflavik, Iceland. I dropped Halla a note. I teach a unit to my fourth graders on Iceland, because I have so many books and pictures from Iceland. I surf the net for Icelandic sights. My students love to hear the sagas. I was in JC Penny's last fall, and I noticed one of the store's employees accent. I commented on it, and she playfully asked me to guess where she was from. I immediately said Iceland. She was taken back that I guessed correctly. Most people say swedish or danish....but never Icelandic. It is just such a wonderful place and people were ever so wonderful there. Everyone seemed so educated and well read. I lost touch with my best friend there, Nina Asmundson ( a native). She went to an east coast college, and I went to cal state at long beach. But I get that home town rush when I hear anything about Iceland. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 17:58:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:35:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:34:58 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May15.193458.0> References: <<1999May14.6283.0>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Hi Christie, you didn't say if you were using the straight edged or curved lead knife, if you're using the straight edged one, try the curved (very sharp), with rocking motion already described. Also, are your cuts straight across the lead (90 degrees) or along the lead? I was having the same trouble as you with my long, angled cuts, but I found that by butting my fingers right up against the lead knife on either side of the came, and keeping gentle pressure from the sides, the top face doesn't squash down so much. Hope this helps! Katie ----- Original Message ----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Sent: Saturday, 15 May 1999 0:28 Subject: Question about lead work > Hi all. Some questions regarding working with lead. > I am having a heck of a time cutting 1/4" H came lead. > I am using a lead knife. But it seems I end up using an > excessive amount of energy/pressure, and usually > end up with the cut ends needing to be straightened > out. > > Is there an easier way to cut lead this thick? I do own > a Gryphon Chop Saw, but the instructions recommend > against using the blade on lead. Is there any reason > why I can't use the chop saw on lead? Or if I'm to use > the lead knife, do yall have any suggestions on how to > properly use it, and maintain it? > > Thanks for any answers. > > Christie A. Wood (she of the heavily-muscled forearms) > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > http://www.igga.org/wood/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 18:16:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: "Christie A. Wood" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May14.101440.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie, I keep mine sharp using a dremel tool, a good file will work also. Rick --- "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > Message text written by Charles Spitzer > >to use a lead knife: place the lead crown up on a > flat surface. rock the= > > knife back and forth putting even, medium pressure. > the key is to have a > very sharp knife, and let the blade do the cutting, > not the pressure. if > you press to hard, it crushes instead.< > > OK - you've described my problem exactly. I do > place the lead crown > up on a flat surface, and rock the knife back & > forth....but looks like m= > y > knife has gotten too dull to allow the medium > pressure instead of the > extreme pressure. Now, my follow-on question > is...anybody have any > recommendations on how to best sharpen a lead knife? > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > http://www.igga.org/wood/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 18:35:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May14.16022.0> Precedence: bulk a sharpening stone or a knife sharpening machine. after you sharpen the knife run it through a block of wax....it acts as a lubricant for the knife. pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Question about lead work >Message text written by Charles Spitzer >>to use a lead knife: place the lead crown up on a flat surface. rock the= > >knife back and forth putting even, medium pressure. the key is to have a >very sharp knife, and let the blade do the cutting, not the pressure. if >you press to hard, it crushes instead.< > >OK - you've described my problem exactly. I do place the lead crown >up on a flat surface, and rock the knife back & forth....but looks like m= >y >knife has gotten too dull to allow the medium pressure instead of the >extreme pressure. Now, my follow-on question is...anybody have any >recommendations on how to best sharpen a lead knife? > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >http://www.igga.org/wood/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 14 19:06:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:10:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BobDu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:09:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May14.1196.0> Precedence: bulk For sharpening a lead knife not much beats Steve's Knife Sharpening site at: http://www.ameritech.net/users/knives/index.htm . You do not want a hollow ground edge but one that gently tapers to an edge. The gentler the taper the better. Lead dikes can be sharpened from the face with 400 grit emery paper. Use a good pair ONLY with lead and they will cut a ton. Cut one coat hanger and you are out of business. I use Fanout Lead Dikes. Cheaper dikes are thicker and do not make as nice a cut or last as long. I pay about three times as much for my Fanouts and they are likely cheaper to use in the long run. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 15 01:23:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:18:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: sealing terra cotta pots Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:24:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May14.172418.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Just to clarify. I used a concrete masonary sealer(Better Homes and Garden's). I sealed the inside. I glued the glass on with elmer's wood glue(cause I have a bunch on hand) and let that dry, grouted and let that dry, then I sealed the outside of the pots. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 15 02:28:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 May 1999 01:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Christie A. Wood" Subject: Re: Question about lead work Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:55:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May15.95524.0> References: <<1999May14.125610.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Christie, I use an oil stone, sometimes here called an Arkansas stone. Place the lead knife at a very acute angle to the stone and move back and forward with a slight circular motion, leading to an oval style motion across the length of the stone. If your lead knife is really dull you can start with a grinder, but be careful not to give a hollow grind to it. (as someone has already mentioned) The lead knife will need to (or should) be sharpened up at the start or finish of each period of use. This may wear the knife down more quickly than absolutely necessary, but ensures a constantly sharp tool. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 15 08:37:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 May 1999 07:39:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Got the diamonds, and dancing teddy Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:25:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May15.02533.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Caren, Thank you for the herikimer diamonds, they say they are amazingly clear for what they are. I will have to think up something really nice to use them in. Some of them are saying a box for Mom, maybe to put all here neck chains in that she likes to wear on Sunday, the ones that I keep telling her to keep away from the mike, because it makes a rasp file sound when they rub on the lapel mike during her talk. Thank you again for the diamonds. Went to a angels baseball game last night with Barb, she is the wife of Chuck, the man who did the sound at the church before he died. He helps me a lot on Sunday's to work out how to make the sound work good. Mom's says that since I got here, and started to do sound, that she does not have to worry about squeals, or poor tapes, or no sound, that we make a pretty good team, Chuck and me. Barb is the lady who wanted two teddy bears for gifts, one for her boss, and another for a friend. I could not find a teddy pattern that I really liked, so some of them said to go check out the sewing folks, the ones that sew pretty pictures on shirts/jackets/etc. Went and found a site that deals with those patterns, found a freeware viewer, and downloaded some patterns for teddys. Liked one, a girl teddy, dancing/skipping with a red/pink dress, traced it out, had to add two or three lines to make it cutable, and did it. She liked it so much, that she was saying that she might have to get two more, because she did not want to give this one as a gift, it was just too nice, did it in medium brown wispy for the body, dark brown for the eyes and nose, and streaking red for the dress. Will send the pattern to anyone who is interested, from what the site said, you can not transfer rights, of the design, and I am not sure adding 2 or 3 lines, changes it enough to make it a new pattern. Will post the url also if anyone is interested, just as soon as I can pick it out of my link list's, (them web cruisers, tend to have monster links favorites),,, ;-) Again, Thank You Caren for the Diamonds !!! Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 03:47 PM Subject: Sorry and update For those of you who asked me for patterns and Herkimer Diamonds I have not forgotten you. I am recuperating from surgery right now, this is my first day sitting up at the computer writing, so glass hasn't been on my mind. I will be happy to send anyone the Jewish patterns or Diamonds, but ccould you please write to me again and refresh my memory as to what you want. I have kept a list of names and addresses but didn't put whether you wanted the patterns or diamonds (hum it must have been the anesthesia, yeah thats it!) And for the other update, remember my problem with the retailer in NY who wouldn't give me his time so I walked out. Well I wanted patterns and glass to make my sister 2 panels for her birthday. I brought my mom to my local glass supplier, she was very aware of the difference immediately. We were there for almost 3 hours and walked out with a pattern of his that he even enlarged for us on his copy machine, glass and solder. He was so wonderful and patient, as was his assistant Sandy. By the way it's called Gregg's Stained Glass in Herkimer, NY (he might as well get the credit). Maybe his selection of glass wasn't as big and his place isn't as organized but we walked out very happy and satisfied. That's how I like to do business. Thanks Bill! Now I can't wait to get back to doing glass. Maybe next week after I can conquer stairs! Since my workshop is in the basement. Back to lurkerdom now, Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 15 08:59:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 May 1999 07:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: US POST AND GLASS Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > >>>>>>It was explained to me recently that marking a box "Glass - Handle With >Care" was viewed by some postal workers as a challenge, and not an >encouragement to use care. >Gary<<<<< > Yep! Reminds me of story:):) Longtime ago hubby was waiting for a connecting bus for work (far north) in a Greyhound bus station... It was rather late at night and a couple of employee's were kicking a box around on the floor like a football...I guess bored they decided to have fun with someone's pakage!!! Couple of times I've had a shipment of boxed glass that has been damaged, so I've learnt *one TINY mark/dent/hole in the box* can mean disaster. Although annoying BUT, when a shipment comes in with enough packing material to fill 2 boxes, not just the *one* that arrived I feel confident...but have learnt if it looks suspicious I open it up right there. Cindy...who just plasters "GLASS- HANDLE WITH CARE stickers everywhere:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 15 12:59:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.netbistro.com!pom From: "J. Smith" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Paints? Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:05:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May15.5550.0> Precedence: bulk I have the nicest semi-opaque left over pieces of glass, and would love to use them for my stepping stones!..I am looking for a Non- Firing, stay on miracle, to paint the backs so the cement will not show! Is this a dumb idea????! I am at this time trying some Air dry Perm Enamel in a silver?? Have no idea if it will be compatible with cement? Thank-you in advance!...I mostly lurk...but I sure learn allot from all of you!...and I enjoy my mail! Jen! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 15 17:33:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "J. Smith" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Paints? Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May15.123933.0> References: <<1999May15.5550.0>> Precedence: bulk Unless your concrete is really ugly looking, I wouldnt paint the glass. I even use some cathedrals mixed in with opals in my stones. Adds depth. Most people have commented they liked it. I do use white portland cement, so my concrete is white...that would make a difference in the look, so guess it all depends on your concrete. T Suz "J. Smith" wrote: > > I have the nicest semi-opaque left over pieces of glass, and would > love to use them for my stepping stones!..I am looking for a Non- > Firing, stay on miracle, to paint the backs so the cement will not > show! Is this a dumb idea????! I am at this time trying some Air > dry Perm Enamel in a silver?? Have no idea if it will be compatible > with cement? > Thank-you in advance!...I mostly lurk...but I sure learn allot from all > of you!...and I enjoy my mail! > Jen! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 15 19:01:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 May 1999 18:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Got the diamonds Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:24:24 EDT Message-ID: <1999May16.12424.0> References: <<001401be9ede$cbdc66e0$5289dfd1@imagine>> Precedence: bulk Your Welcome!! Glad you liked them. Obviously they weren't the best quality. Just a couple I found around town somewhere. Yesterday I was in a gift shop and saw a few that were about 4" and a cluster of 6 or 7 that was about 6". THe cost was hundreds of dollars. The ones I sent to all the folks on the list would probably range from $12-$20 depending on the size and clarity. Of course since I found them all they were FREE:-) It's really my pleasure to share with others. Pass along the kindness to someone else someday, remember what goes around comes around! Enjoy! Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 03:22:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 02:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "J. Smith" Subject: Re: Glass Paints? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:34:22 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May16.113422.0> References: <<1999May15.5550.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Another question which may be relevant here. would white water proof tile adhesive and grout be appropriate here? I know most of the waterproof stuff I can get is grey, but I could add powdered white poster paint maybe? Steve In message <1999May15.5550.0@?>, J. Smith writes >I have the nicest semi-opaque left over pieces of glass, and would >love to use them for my stepping stones!..I am looking for a Non- >Firing, stay on miracle, to paint the backs so the cement will not >show! Is this a dumb idea????! I am at this time trying some Air >dry Perm Enamel in a silver?? Have no idea if it will be compatible >with cement? >Thank-you in advance!...I mostly lurk...but I sure learn allot from all >of you!...and I enjoy my mail! >Jen! > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 04:47:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 04:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Guild Egroup" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Art Glass Artist Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 07:31:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May16.33151.0> Precedence: bulk Had to share this site with you all, it is unlike any web site I have ever been too. In addition to beautiful glass the show is entertaining. Enjoy Duncan McClellan is here this weekend at the 'Greater VA Arts Festival in Reston VA http://www.dmglass.com/ KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 05:48:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Paints? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May16.4346.0> References: <<1999May15.5550.0>> Precedence: bulk I used some white spray paint on the back of some red cathedral glass that I wanted to put in a stone. It worked real well. It's been sitting out in my yard for about 3 years now. Somone on the list posted that bumper paint (from an auto parts store) works well, and I think people have said they've used silver or gold spray paint. Jerri > I have the nicest semi-opaque left over pieces of glass, and would > love to use them for my stepping stones!..I am looking for a Non- > Firing, stay on miracle, to paint the backs so the cement will not > show! Is this a dumb idea????! I am at this time trying some Air > dry Perm Enamel in a silver?? Have no idea if it will be compatible > with cement? > Thank-you in advance!...I mostly lurk...but I sure learn allot from all > of you!...and I enjoy my mail! > Jen! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 07:17:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 06:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pdq.net!creativeco From: Creativeco To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Paints? Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:48:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May15.154818.0> References: <<1999May15.5550.0>> Precedence: bulk I have been asking around regarding a way to use transluscent glass in stepping stones. The best idea so far came from the owner of our local glass shop. She suggested using silver tape (the kind they sell in the hardware store for a/c ducts - but NOT what is commonly known as duct tape, this tape is a shiny silver). It comes about 2" wide, so you are limited in the size of pieces it would work on. But if you extrapolate from that idea, you could try a product called "peel 'n stick" (Jo Ann's Clothworld has it) and use that with almost anything (ie foiled christmas wrapping paper, aluminum foil, sheets of copper...who knows!) I haven't used any of these methods yet, but plan on trying them out. If you get to it before me, let me know how it works! Margo I'm new and lurking ('til now). I'll post my bio soon, though. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 08:46:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; Subject: iron Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:10:52 PDT Message-ID: <1999May16.151052.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I have an iron that is about 8 years old. Lately the tip keeps getting gunked up and I have to keep cleaning with SA. It never used to do that, my question is, is it a sign that the tip needs replacing or that the iron needs replacing. I would be thankful for any advice that you could give me. Thanks Kathy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 10:54:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 10:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Art Glass Artist Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:16:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May16.91655.0> References: <<821a6929.247054d6@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk I'm sorry some are having problems getting in. I believe you need 'crescendo to hear music and maybe 'shockwave' to see the site. It is like a slide show unlike any I have seen on the net. I did say "Art Glass Artist" in subject, thought that would give a heads up it wasn't SG related. I, for one, am intrigued and fascinated by all glass. KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Art Glass Artist | I went to the site and got great clear pics but no music, you might need to | update your windows to get better graphics. The site has some beautiful | stuff but no stained glass | deb | | << I tried the site and I get a black page with some great music. Do you know | what could be the problem. >> | | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 12:15:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: DM site! Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May16.104137.0> Precedence: bulk KSee this is really an unusual site. I haven't seen one like it either....really great....Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 13:45:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: stepping stone glass Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:14:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May16.121419.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Jen, I used some opaque glass in a stone and the colors were dulled somewhat from the gray uncolored cement but the effect was okay.....If what you are looking for doesn't require an exact perfect color , I say use it. Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 14:44:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: katmath@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: iron Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:43:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May16.124320.0> Precedence: bulk yes....good question. I have been soldering for years and never had the problem until recently. At first, I thought it was the flux....then bad solder.......then, the iron. However, I've tried different flux, different rolls of solder, and used a different iron and am still having the same problem you describe. The iron tip gets black, I clean, it gets black, until total frustration sets in. Did someone spike the punch? Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 15:44:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Kathy Mather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: iron Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:10:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May16.121020.0> References: <<1999May16.151052.0>> Precedence: bulk I have a brand new iron...and having the same problem. You should see my old tip, it is half eaten in two and it didnt get soo gross. I cant figure out what the problem is except possibly the tip, however it is a brand new tip. Needless to say I dont like it. T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 16:14:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel in Oregon To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:02:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1999May16.23255.0> Precedence: bulk Why does my siamese bring me dead mousies and leave them on my pillow? Ah springtime...jonquils...daffodils...and dead mousies. Daniel in Oregon -- I'm so broke I can't even pay attention. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 16:44:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tinkerbell pattern? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:33:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May16.143338.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'd like to make a "Tinkerbell" lightcatcher for a friend who loves Disney, and Tinkerbell is her favorite character. Has anyone seen a Tinkerbell pattern? I think I could draw one if I could find a picture to look at. Anyone have a picture from a coloring book or something? Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 17:21:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:55:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Tinkerbell pattern? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:55:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May16.135520.0> References: <<1999May16.143338.0>> Precedence: bulk Tinkerbell: http://www.disneyclipart.com/Movies/Peter_Pan/Tinkerbell/ http://www.diac.com/~stine/page10.htm http://www.vegalleries.com/disopc5.htm -----Original Message----- From: Jerri [mailto:pigznpawz@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 17:34 To: glass@intrastar.net; glass@bungi.com Subject: Tinkerbell pattern? Hi all, I'd like to make a "Tinkerbell" lightcatcher for a friend who loves Disney, and Tinkerbell is her favorite character. Has anyone seen a Tinkerbell pattern? I think I could draw one if I could find a picture to look at. Anyone have a picture from a coloring book or something? Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 18:22:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bungi visit Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:46:42 EDT Message-ID: <1999May17.04642.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I haven't gotten any mail from bungi yesterday or today, so I am not so sure this will make it out there.... I stopped by Christie Wood's shop today. What a great place, she is so organized! Her glass is lovely, and her shop is inviting! Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 18:39:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:55:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: iron Date: Sun, 16 May 99 17:53:13 Message-ID: <199905170054.SAA00243@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Geez, me too! Am trying a 100watt Weller next, supposedly with a guarantee! Won't know for a while tho, too many things to do before I get to solder! Candy On Sun, 16 May 1999 16:43:20 -0400, Diane W Manchester wrote: >yes....good question. I have been soldering for years and never had the >problem until recently. At first, I thought it was the flux....then bad >solder.......then, the iron. However, I've tried different flux, >different rolls of solder, and used a different iron and am still having >the same problem you describe. The iron tip gets black, I clean, it gets >black, until total frustration sets in. Did someone spike the punch? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 18:53:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: newsletter Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:54:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May16.165442.0> Precedence: bulk I have only been working with glass about 6 months and love it. Am currently running into techniques I am not familiar with. Could ask the instructors but they have a studio and am not comfortable asking too many dumb questions. Where might I get a reference for some unfamiliar terms like, flashing, overlay, etc. Any suggestions will be appreciated. tidwell2@bellsouth.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 21:13:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:40:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: iron Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:29:27 -0400 Message-ID: <199905170230.WAA15477@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/16/99 5:53 PM Candy Thurman candy@ghostman.com I wonder if the solder manufacturers are slipping in more impurities lately? Suzanne >Geez, me too! Am trying a 100watt Weller next, supposedly with a >guarantee! Won't >know for a while tho, too many things to do before I get to solder! > >Candy > >On Sun, 16 May 1999 16:43:20 -0400, Diane W Manchester wrote: > >>yes....good question. I have been soldering for years and never had the >>problem until recently. At first, I thought it was the flux....then bad >>solder.......then, the iron. However, I've tried different flux, >>different rolls of solder, and used a different iron and am still having >>the same problem you describe. The iron tip gets black, I clean, it gets >>black, until total frustration sets in. Did someone spike the punch? > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 16 23:10:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 May 1999 21:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: lost info on glass sample HELP Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:21:25 +0800 Message-ID: <1999May17.72125.0> Precedence: bulk thanks to the tow who had sent information on the glass i could not find please if you could send the info again! I still am looking gor he thin glass with pink or mauve with white and clear now i'm desperate for it and and put my information from bungi up so i would not loose it and guess what ? I lost it please forward again - thanks so much for your help in advance- ricky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 03:45:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 03:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!rwl50 From: Rick To: Rita Tidwell , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: newsletter Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 03:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May16.20015.0> Precedence: bulk This is the place Rita, and remeber , the only dumb question is the one not asked. Fire away, that's one of the reasons we are here, to get help and to help others. Rick --- Rita Tidwell wrote: > I have only been working with glass about 6 months > and love it. Am > currently running into techniques I am not familiar > with. Could ask the > instructors but they have a studio and am not > comfortable asking too > many dumb questions. Where might I get a reference > for some unfamiliar > terms like, flashing, overlay, etc. Any suggestions > will be appreciated. > tidwell2@bellsouth.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 07:56:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:09:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bungi visit Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:07:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May17.6713.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Mosfunland@aol.com >I stopped by Christie Wood's shop today. What a great place, she is so = organized! Her glass is lovely, and her shop is inviting!< Me! Organized? Are you sure that was Me you talked to yesterday? Seriously, it was great fun to meet you! And thanks for the compliment, though I hardly recognize myself! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 08:52:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: newsletter Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:39:23 EDT Message-ID: <1999May17.143923.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/16/99 9:54:50 PM, tidwell2@bellsouth.net writes: >Where might I get a reference for some unfamiliar >terms like, flashing, overlay, etc. Here's one: http://www.spectrumglass.c om/Dictionary.html I'm sure there are lots of others out there; this is the first one that came to mind. (The Spectrum site also has a lot of articles in PDF format.) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 09:18:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Rick" , Subject: Re: newbie questions Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 07:11:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May17.01135.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Rita, >Where might I get a reference > for some unfamiliar > terms like, flashing, overlay I too have only been doing glass for a few months, so am still learning the lingo. Keep learning and experimenting, try new stuff, and if someone tells you that you can't do something in glass, figure out why, instead of trusting that they are right, perhaps you will do what they themselves, told themselves, could not be done. I have found a good Internet starting place is the Bungi main page, for information. I have a pretty good list of links built up, if you use MS Internet Explorer, I could send you my favorites, or perhaps export a HTML listing for ya. >From what I have read, and seen a few pieces, Flash Glass is a type of glass that has a thin layer of one color over another, and the thin lay can be sand blasted/acid etched away to reveal that other color beneath, a example link was just posted, one of the Tinkerbell links, showed a panel that used flash glass to depict the stars. Overlay, is the laying over or placing one piece of glass over another, like placing a flower over a heart, and soldering the lead came or solder seams to each other where they touch. It can affect shading, color, and give some very interesting effects. Got to get back to the giraffe panel, it's about cut, and then got to foil, it's got to be done by Thursday night. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Rick To: Rita Tidwell ; glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 03:51 AM Subject: Re: newsletter This is the place Rita, and remeber , the only dumb question is the one not asked. Fire away, that's one of the reasons we are here, to get help and to help others. Rick --- Rita Tidwell wrote: > I have only been working with glass about 6 months > and love it. Am > currently running into techniques I am not familiar > with. Could ask the > instructors but they have a studio and am not > comfortable asking too > many dumb questions. Where might I get a reference > for some unfamiliar > terms like, flashing, overlay, etc. Any suggestions > will be appreciated. > tidwell2@bellsouth.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > === http://home.fuse.net/crafts _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 09:43:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass Paints? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:29:46 EDT Message-ID: <1999May17.142946.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/16/99 10:18:14 AM, creativeco@pdq.net writes: >I have been asking around regarding a way to use transluscent glass in >stepping stones. How 'bout etching or sandblasting the back of the glass? Nothing to "not stick," peel off or otherwise deteriorate. You'll still get a little bit of the "grayness" from the concrete showing through, but you won't see the grain of it. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 09:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:32:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999May17.143220.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/16/99 7:15:29 PM, dro@teleport.com writes: >Why does my siamese bring me dead mousies and leave them on my pillow? Because he/she is in love and is "courting" you?????? Sort of like bringing you flowers and a bottle of good wine or champagne? >I'm so broke I can't even pay attention. Hey! That's my line! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 10:04:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: resendind help for glass Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:16:21 +0800 Message-ID: <1999May17.181621.0> Precedence: bulk hi thought i would resend this request my other was sent late or should we say early morning and had typing errors in it that only i think i could understand so here it goes again. first thanks so much for the two people who sent me the information on the thin glass pink or mauve looking glass in with white and clear mixed into it also.. i had put it up some place safe so as not to lose it and you guessed it i lost it. please if you have info on this discription could you please forward it any help would be appreciated . thanks again Ricky - Glass Expressions I'M DESPERATE NOW! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 10:15:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Daniel in Oregon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:03:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May21.2329.0> References: <<1999May16.23255.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Daniel in Oregon wrote: > > Why does my siamese bring me dead mousies and leave them on my pillow? > > Ah springtime...jonquils...daffodils...and dead mousies. > > Daniel in Oregon > > -- > > I'm so broke I can't even pay attention. > ---- >Daniel, your cat wants you to PRAISE him/her/it for bringing you such a prize catch:) Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 11:15:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Shari Higbee" Subject: Re: a computer question for you Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:33:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May17.33349.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Shari, Well I normally send the link from the page, like when I am at the page, In the browser, I click on MAIL, SEND Link, and then when the Outlook Express comes up, I address it to the Bungi list. When I send a list of links, I open Outlook, Start a new message, then go surfing, and when I find a page that pertains to what the message is about, I select the address in the browser address window, then CTRL-C, to copy it, switch to the new message in Outlook, and CTRL-V to paste the link address into the new message. Here is the link to a little program that I use to make a favorites HTML listing. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/6201/ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/6201/FAVtoHTML.zip You might need to download the Visual Basic 4 libraries also. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee To: Bud Britt Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 10:26 AM Subject: a computer question for you if you use MS Internet Explorer, I could send you my favorites, or perhaps export a HTML listing for ya. Bud--you mentioned to someone else that you send your favorite links. I've been wondering how to do that forever. I have one favorites list at work and a different one at home and have never figured out how to email my list. Is that possible? Also, I know this is a dumb question, but how do you inbed a link into your email msg? You are always posting neat sites to go look at, but I don't know how to add that link to my email. Thanks for the techie help! Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 12:19:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Tinkerbell pattern? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:36:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May17.43650.0> References: <<1999May16.143338.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Start watching TV commerical, just saw two this weekend. One was selling cars and the other was a toothfairy, but looked very much like tinkerbell. If you can record it and then put the recording on pause, you could draw from there. Also Jillian Sawyer has a pattern book called Faerie Lights(from Australia). In the back she has some simple faerie patterns. One is very tinkerbellish. It is of a faerie landing. Wish I had a scanner, I would send it to you. And Valee has a pattern book out. I think it is called, Fairies, Elves, and Angels. Have you thought about looking for coloring books or children's books. Certainly the library would have a Disney Peter Pan. You could always buy a Metal Monster faerie casting. They make great ones. They come in lying down, sitting, flying, sitting on a toalstool, and standing postitions. All you have to do is add 4 wings. Couldn't be simplier. They show them painted and that is really ugly. Leave them silver, much nicer. Good luck, Shirley B Jerri wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'd like to make a "Tinkerbell" lightcatcher for a friend who loves > Disney, and Tinkerbell is her favorite character. Has anyone seen a > Tinkerbell pattern? I think I could draw one if I could find a picture to > look at. Anyone have a picture from a coloring book or something? > > Jerri > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 14:15:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May17.104446.0> Precedence: bulk >>Why does my siamese bring me dead mousies and leave them on my pillow? ANSWER: Two Words ........ mmmmm "Chow Time". Word of caution though the tails tickle your nose as you swallow... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 14:44:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Rita Tidwell Subject: Re: newsletter Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:29:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May17.222953.0> References: <<1999May16.165442.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I'd suggest getting several catalogues from suppliers. They have a mound of information included in them. Even if you have to pay for them. The information is worth a little money. Other wise get a good text book, not a how to or pattern book, from the library. Often these are books on the history of glass, as well as those on stained glass. Steve In message <1999May16.165442.0@?>, Rita Tidwell writes >I have only been working with glass about 6 months and love it. Am >currently running into techniques I am not familiar with. Could ask the >instructors but they have a studio and am not comfortable asking too >many dumb questions. Where might I get a reference for some unfamiliar >terms like, flashing, overlay, etc. Any suggestions will be appreciated. >tidwell2@bellsouth.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 16:14:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Brazing rods for garden stakes Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:17:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May17.101726.0> Precedence: bulk Hello again everyone! Gym season is over so I can start back up on my two favorite occupations... gardening and glass! I remember someone recommending brazing rods for garden stakes (butterflies and such) and so when I was in the city today I went to an auto place and got several. They are brass, and are covered with a white-green chalky stuff which my husband said is flux. I remember one of you said to tin the rods. How do you melt off the flux? With a torch? Or???? Thanks for any help you can give me! - Dawn Barker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 16:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@island.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:10:48 -0700 Message-ID: <199905172310.QAA00775@mimas.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hey all...for years I've wondered where "deam mousies" originally came from...what rolls around in my head is something like" Oh, I love dem mousies dem mouse is what i like Nibble on they tiny toes Nibble on they tiny feet Does ANYBODY out there know where I got this from? OR to restate the question...is anybody warped enough to know what I'm talking about? I actually named my cat Mousey a few years ago in honour of this little phantom ditty. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 18:14:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Dawn Barker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Brazing rods for garden stakes Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May17.154616.0> References: <<1999May17.101726.0>> Precedence: bulk Dawn Barker wrote: > > Hello again everyone! Gym season is over so I can start back up on my two > favorite occupations... gardening and glass! I remember someone > recommending brazing rods for garden stakes (butterflies and such) and so > when I was in the city today I went to an auto place and got several. They > are brass, and are covered with a white-green chalky stuff which my > husband said is flux. I remember one of you said to tin the rods. How do > you melt off the flux? With a torch? Or???? > > Thanks for any help you can give me! > > - Dawn Barker > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass 1. clean the rods with steel wool. 2. clean the rods with alchohol to remove the oxides that are still stuck on. 3. use liquid flux and slap some of the stuff on the rod. 4. apply the solder (60-40 or 63-37) with an iron. you may have to do this in sections of about 12". once it's all coated keep running the iron down the length of the rod. 5. while the rod is still hot (and it may help if you use a torch lightly), wipe off the excess solder. use a very wet rag. use a locking pliers to hold the rod. and in one quick swipe, smooth the solder down. you may have to repeat it a few times. either wiping or re-heating and re-wiping. don't burn your hand, it's easy to do.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 18:41:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: seaspray@island.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:09:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May21.10924.0> References: <<199905172310.QAA00775@mimas.island.net>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk seaspray@island.net wrote: > > Hey all...for years I've wondered where "deam mousies" originally came > from...what rolls around in my head is something like" > > Oh, I love dem mousies > dem mouse is what i like > > Nibble on they tiny toes > Nibble on they tiny feet > > Does ANYBODY out there know where I got this from? OR to restate the > question...is anybody warped enough to know what I'm talking about? > > I actually named my cat Mousey a few years ago in honour of this little > phantom ditty. > > C. > > quite awhile back there were tshirts,mugs, etc with cartoon cats on them by a guy whose name I believe was Kliban or something like that....they were pretty popular..anyway, one of the cartoons was of a cat strumming a guitar and singing said above ditty. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 18:46:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1587507833-3809 Subject: Fwd: FW: Glass Paints? coating the back Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1999May17.16435.0> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1587507833-3809 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I believe that 2 years ago at the Warner-Crivellero summer event, their person, and the name escapes me, did Garden Stones, and used the bumper/auto paint.. I did one with this after reading it from Bungi.. The glass was a translucent Wismach, and I liked the way it came out..(sprayed the back, silver metallic).. You may want yo check the archives, or Charles might help.. Good Glassing, but for the present, flowers are first.. Gloria --WebTV-Mail-1587507833-3809 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from sgty9994.pgh.wec.com (ewecn3c1.westinghouseelectric.com [147.72.231.193]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id LAA12791 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sgty9994.pgh.wec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:16:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Drag, Gloria J." To: "'stainglasborzoi'" Subject: FW: Glass Paints? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:16:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Creativeco[SMTP:creativeco@pdq.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 1999 9:48 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Glass Paints? > > I have been asking around regarding a way to use transluscent glass in > stepping stones. The best idea so far came from the owner of our local > glass shop. She suggested using silver tape (the kind they sell in the > hardware store for a/c ducts - but NOT what is commonly known as duct > tape, this tape is a shiny silver). It comes about 2" wide, so you are > limited in the size of pieces it would work on. But if you extrapolate > from that idea, you could try a product called "peel 'n stick" (Jo Ann's > Clothworld has it) and use that with almost anything (ie foiled > christmas wrapping paper, aluminum foil, sheets of copper...who knows!) > > I haven't used any of these methods yet, but plan on trying them out. If > you get to it before me, let me know how it works! > > Margo > I'm new and lurking ('til now). I'll post my bio soon, though. > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > --WebTV-Mail-1587507833-3809-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 20:31:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:23:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG Non Glass Deam mousies...?? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May17.152333.0> Precedence: bulk >Hey all...for years I've wondered where "deam mousies" originally came >from...what rolls around in my head is something like" >Oh, I love dem mousies >dem mouse is what i like >Nibble on they tiny toes >Nibble on they tiny feet >Does ANYBODY out there know where I got this from? OR to restate the >question...is anybody warped enough to know what I'm talking about? >I actually named my cat Mousey a few years ago in honour of this little >phantom ditty. >C. I think his name is Kibbler. A black & white sketched cat (always fat!) that did all kinds of things. I remember seeing a book of his cartoons. AND! My best friend in the mid 80's had a T'shirt with Kibbler playing the guitar, singing the "love dem little mousies, mousies what I love to eat" song! I hadn't thought of that in years! Wow. I just called her. Had a great 45 minute chat. Laughed about the strange little things that will stick in our memories, like Kibbler T'shirts, and Bonnie Raitt albums (yes ALBUMS) from BEFORE she made her spectacular comeback! By all means, she qualified as 'warped' enough to know Kibbler. What a great sense of warped humor she has!! Thanks for the little trip down memory lane. Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 20:46:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Elisabeth's Private Tour of Chihuly!! Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:11:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May17.131151.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Press Release: Ms. Elisabeth Roberg will enjoy a private tour of the Chihuly Studio and "The Boat House" on September 17th, 1999 in Seattle Washington. E-Tour Co-Director Carol Swann, Washington State hostess Cheryl Parrott and myself will also get to join Elisabeth for this private event. Details of the tour were finally confirmed today and I'm just ready to burst with excitement! Pam ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 20:53:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Deam Mousies...?? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:37:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May17.173723.0> Precedence: bulk I remember that! Lots of t-shirts, bags, calendars. The artist's name was Kliban. (I think his first name was Bill?) For a while, you saw his cats everywhere. Jerri > Hey all...for years I've wondered where "deam mousies" originally came > from...what rolls around in my head is something like" > > Oh, I love dem mousies > dem mouse is what i like > > Nibble on they tiny toes > Nibble on they tiny feet > > > Does ANYBODY out there know where I got this from? OR to restate the > question...is anybody warped enough to know what I'm talking about? > > I actually named my cat Mousey a few years ago in honour of this little > phantom ditty. > > C. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 21:08:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Dawn Barker" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Brazing rods for garden stakes Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:48:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May17.12486.0> Precedence: bulk >>. They are brass, and are covered with a white-green chalky stuff which my husband said is flux. I remember one of you said to tin the rods. How do you melt off the flux? With a torch? Or???? Thanks for any help you can give me! - Dawn Barker<< You want the brass brazing rod that is not covered with flux. What you have sounds like a welding rod, at any rate you have the wrong rod. :-) ........... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 17 22:17:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: inreach.com!karens From: "Karen Schroeder" To: seaspray@island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:10 -0700 Message-ID: <199905180434.VAA09203@smtp.inreach.com> Precedence: bulk Love to eat them mousies Mousie's what I love to eat. Bite they little heads off... Nibble on they tiny feet. (from B.Kliban 'Cat' seventeen anniversary edition, Workman Publishing) > Hey all...for years I've wondered where "deam mousies" originally came > from...what rolls around in my head is something like" > > Oh, I love dem mousies > dem mouse is what i like > > Nibble on they tiny toes > Nibble on they tiny feet > > > Does ANYBODY out there know where I got this from? OR to restate the > question...is anybody warped enough to know what I'm talking about? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 00:20:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Armstrong Shadowglass Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:29:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May17.21290.0> Precedence: bulk Just curious, Does anyone have experience with this glass? Armstrong's description of this glass sounds like what I'm looking for. I went to one of my local retailers but they didn't have a sample. They said they don't buy much Armstrong because it is brittle. I did find 2 colors of granite Uroboros that will fit the bill but to order through them I would have to by a full sheet each at $75.00 ea. , yikes. They let me borrow these two samples and I will be calling other supplies today to see what their availability is. KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 00:32:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Pkelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:01:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May17.20124.0> References: <<1999May17.104446.0>> Precedence: bulk We had yet another game of cat chasing bird in my sunroom/ glass studio today. At one point, Icky had gotten the bird in his mouth and I *almost had them shoo'd out the door...when the bird got loose again...hiding under my glass bins. :o/ I HATE THIS GAME! Cannot tell you how nervous it makes me. As of now, Ickey is asleep in his box, and the bird is still in hiding. T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 00:50:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@intrastar.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG do you know this man? ;o) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:26:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May17.202635.0> References: <<373F09BF.B7CEE633@teleport.com>> Precedence: bulk I have exchanged pictures with several people in anticipation of meeting at E's workshop at Meredith, and at Glass Visions. I have a a pic of someone and cant remember who sent it... The file name is edge.jpg. I just ran across it in one of my glass files and have no clue who it is or who sent it to me. Anyone know? ;o) Guess that's what I get for getting behind on my email! T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 11:27:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: [StainedGlassArts] Help Needed Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May18.74357.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: amnonm@ic.co.il [mailto:amnonm@ic.co.il] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 10:52 To: StainedGlassArts@onelist.com Subject: [StainedGlassArts] Help Needed From: Amnon Moav Hi, My name is Amnon Moav from Israel. My father is an intermediate stained glass artist (he does it as a hobby). He asked me to get some info because he is not doing well on computers. He wants to participate in some kind of course / workbench for people with intermediate skills in Italy. Does any of you know where i can get information on that? Any italians on the list pleases contact me directly. Does anyone know a stained glass instructor in Italy? Please help Thanks, Amnon ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you hogging all the fun? http://www.onelist.com Friends tell friends about ONElist! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 11:55:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG testing.... Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:07:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990518130759.006a0900@popd.ipa.net> Precedence: bulk Uh-hrrrm. "uh... TESTING.... testing..... " tap-tap-tap "Is this thing on?..." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 12:10:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:15:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: TEST : bungi mail?? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:14:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May18.8143.0> Precedence: bulk Testing...testing...are you guys out there? T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 13:30:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth's Private Tour of Chihuly!! Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:43:12 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199905181846.NAA11241@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk What a coup! I'm really thrilled for y'all---but jealous as h%$&! I'm confident I can speak for most of bungi on this---we will expect a complete report afterwards! : - ) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 13:50:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:32:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:08:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May22.5853.0> References: <<1999May17.20124.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > We had yet another game of cat chasing bird in my sunroom/ glass studio > today. At one point, Icky had gotten the bird in his mouth and I > *almost had them shoo'd out the door...when the bird got loose > again...hiding under my glass bins. :o/ I HATE THIS GAME! Cannot tell > you how nervous it makes me. As of now, Ickey is asleep in his box, and > the bird is still in hiding. > > T Suz > an old roommate of mine had a cat who caught a bird and silly me, I thought I'd be the big savior and save the birdies life. Well, first of all, I have NEVER before or since had a cat growl at me and bare its teeth (this one did) and after I DID get the bird away and stuck it in my shower (so it wouldnt go off where I couldnt find it while I figured out what to do next, like it really could move that fast at that point anyway) it had the indecency to DIE in there...gross black stuff ALL over the stall and then I started wondering what diseases I had brought in with the bird....quite the little disinfecting job I had on my hands...next time I see a cat with a bird I'm just gonna let him finish his little "snack".....sounds heartless but probably for the best. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 13:58:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Jerri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Deam Mousies...?? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:03:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May22.5330.0> References: <<1999May17.173723.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Jerri wrote: > > I remember that! Lots of t-shirts, bags, calendars. The artist's name was > Kliban. (I think his first name was Bill?) For a while, you saw his cats > everywhere. > > Jerri > yup, thats it...pretty popular there for awhile.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 14:17:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:bungi mail?? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:44:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990518154441.008fb0ec@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk At 01:14 PM 5/18/99 -0500, Suzanne Gunn wrote: >Testing...testing...are you guys out there? Yep, picking out glass to do a macaw. wondering if I should do a panel (glas designs pattern)or the hanging flying one for a fund raiser for parrot rescue. It is quiet on bungi lately...vacation time? or maybe spring has everyone out pulling weeds in the garden! dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 15:56:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glenna Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:45:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May18.13458.0> Precedence: bulk Would you please unsub me on Friday May 21 and re-sub Friday May 28 (or thereabouts), since I am heading for Seattle that week to celebrate my grandfather's 100th birthday! Some of us are also going to drive around the Olympic penisula and take the ferry over to Victoria (Canada). So I'd really rather not come home to gazillions of mail messages (much as I adore all of you.) Dorothy Kalahan Shad@mail2.nai.net (I think) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 16:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:43:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:macaws in glass Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:57:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990518185731.008ebf84@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk wellwell rick, as a matter of fact that looks great, guess I'll have to change the colors though. I think I make them greenwings. Suzanne, I think I decided on the panel first. I never did one of those mobile things. Did you? I keep looking at it like it's a foreign intruder on my workbench. I worry about the thing holding together and if the wings will stay on...you know all the usual mind babble over a new technique. However, I'm commited to doing it one of these days after paying full retail for the pattern!! :-) Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 17:26:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Elizabeth Arakelian" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: <199905182241.SAA23135@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/22/99 3:08 PM Elizabeth Arakelian glshorse@ior.com It's just nature playing itself out. Those sweet creatures we love and share our lives with, are smaller versions of lions. :) Suzanne >Suzanne Gunn wrote: >> >> We had yet another game of cat chasing bird in my sunroom/ glass studio >> today. At one point, Icky had gotten the bird in his mouth and I >> *almost had them shoo'd out the door...when the bird got loose >> again...hiding under my glass bins. :o/ I HATE THIS GAME! Cannot tell >> you how nervous it makes me. As of now, Ickey is asleep in his box, and >> the bird is still in hiding. >> >> T Suz >> > >an old roommate of mine had a cat who caught a bird and silly me, I >thought I'd be the big savior and save the birdies life. Well, first of >all, I have NEVER before or since had a cat growl at me and bare its >teeth (this one did) and after I DID get the bird away and stuck it in >my shower (so it wouldnt go off where I couldnt find it while I figured >out what to do next, like it really could move that fast at that point >anyway) it had the indecency to DIE in there...gross black stuff ALL >over the stall and then I started wondering what diseases I had brought >in with the bird....quite the little disinfecting job I had on my >hands...next time I see a cat with a bird I'm just gonna let him finish >his little "snack".....sounds heartless but probably for the best. > >Liz >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 17:41:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: How to's, was Re: newsletter Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:43:33 EDT Message-ID: <1999May18.234333.0> Precedence: bulk Trying again with my posts from this morning, which all got bounced..... >In a message dated 5/17/99 5:47:49 PM, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk >writes: > >>Other wise get a good text book, not a how to or pattern book, from the >>library. > >If you feel like you just *have* to succumb to the temptation to get just >one good "how to" book, take a look at the (third?) edition of Anita & Seymour >Isenberg's "How to Work in Stained Glass" (published by Chilton, probably >the world's biggest publisher of "how to build or fix anything" tomes in the >known universe), which just came out this year. Lots of history, technical >information, illustrations of techniques, etc. > >It's extensively revised - in fact, it looks like they threw out some >sections and started from scratch (in particular, they got rid of all the >pictures of that ultra-tacky chunky 70's proto-neo-pseudo-gothic stuff), >and the fact that they pay a lot more attention to copper foil work in this >edition makes it a lot more useful to a wider audience. > >I forget how much it costs. Around $20, I think; it's a trade paperback. >(I don't own it - *yet* - I've only seen it at Borders and lusted after it.) > > >Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 17:56:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG: Dem mousies...?? Trying again......... Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:43:39 EDT Message-ID: <1999May18.234339.0> Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 5/17/99 7:47:27 PM, seaspray@island.net writes: > >>Oh, I love dem mousies >>dem mouse is what i like >>Nibble on they tiny toes >>Nibble on they tiny feet >> >> >>Does ANYBODY out there know where I got this from? OR to restate the >>question...is anybody warped enough to know what I'm talking about? > >Guilty as charged....... it comes from B. Kliban, whose definition "CAT (n.): >One Hell of a nice animal, frequently mistaken for a meat loaf" has to be an >early 70s classic! (I'll take it any way I can get it; I'm afraid not much >else from the early 70s, except the music, will ever qualify as "classic.") > >The ditty appeared on a poster showing a blues-guitar-strumming cat singing: > > "Oh, I love to eat them mousies, > Mousies what I love to eat, > Bite they little heads off, > Nibble on they tiny feet..........." > >As with all proper 12-bar blues, I suspect the first two lines were meant >to be repeated......... All together now, tune up them ole 6-strings: > > E7, A7, E7 (x2) > B7, A7, E7................... > > >Sparks > (who had the entire set of 6 posters on the walls > of my dorm room in 1973, courtesy of my mom) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 18:19:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:45:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Elisabeth's Private Tour of Chihuly!! (trying again) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:43:36 EDT Message-ID: <1999May18.234336.0> Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 5/17/99 11:50:09 PM, Pam@stainedglassartists.com >writes: > >>Ms. Elisabeth Roberg will enjoy a private tour of the Chihuly Studio and >>"The Boat House" on September 17th, 1999 in Seattle Washington. > >As my old buddy "Bozo Bob" (who really was Bozo the Clown on TV in Philly >a few years back) would say: > >WOWEE KAZOWEE, PALS!!!!!!!!!!!! > >I'm so jealous............ > > >Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 18:32:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Armstrong Shadowglass (trying again) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:43:35 EDT Message-ID: <1999May18.234335.0> Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 5/18/99 3:22:00 AM, kseeglass@netzero.net writes: > >>They said >>they don't buy much Armstrong because it is brittle. > >It does have a rather strange consistency; it can be *very* hard and tough, > >the thickness isn't consistent from one sheet to the next, and it's >definitely one of those that behaves itself much better if you warm it up >before cutting it - if it's too cold, likely as not it will say, "Score >line? *What* score line?" > >It looks nice made up though, good opalescence and not terribly expensive > >either. I have to wonder if their opalizing ingredient, or the way they >mix it in, is responsible for making it so weird to cut (when you grind it, >it also tends to be really chippy and easy to overgrind). > > >Sparks > (the idea of warming glass on a heating pad > before cutting it was my idea) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 18:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:54:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May22.95433.0> References: <<199905182241.SAA23135@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > 5/22/99 3:08 PM Elizabeth Arakelian glshorse@ior.com > > It's just nature playing itself out. Those sweet creatures we love and > share our lives with, are smaller versions of lions. :) > Suzanne > > > oh I said absolutely NOTHING, NADA about cats being "sweet creatures we love and share our lives with" Outdoor cats are OK but indoor cats have brought nothing but misery into my life. no no no. I finally realized what a pain cats are when a friends cat got her cockatiel and the mother cat and her baby kittens were found picking bits out of the now dead cockatiels chest. Every cat that I or people I live with has had in the house has either knocked things off of shelves, scratched things or urinated on things. And once they start peeing, well, thats the end of that. And you cant isolate them from where you dont want them like you can dogs. And I wont even MENTION the fact that the bulk of these felines seemed to like to sleep on human heads...usually MY head.....no thanks. I like dogs, birds, fish and yes, even snakes better than cats as housepets. Like I said, I dont mind cats when they are outside where they belong or in other peoples homes, I have even been known to pick them up, but I sure dont want them in MY house. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 20:55:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Armstrong Shadowglass Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:37:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May18.183752.0> References: <<1999May18.234335.0>> Precedence: bulk Thank you all for the information about this glass. Now for an update. I left work early and went over to Nadine's. She had a sheet of the white shadowglass but it was not opaque enough for my lamp. The granite Uroboros will work much better. So I will be shopping around. Of course, I knew when I pulled up I was at the right house when I saw the beautiful window in her living room. But that was just the top arch! Downstairs in her workshop the rest is on the work table in the final stages of completion. It is huge almost floor to ceiling. She said she will post a picture when it done. Can't wait. Plus, she has plans to do the window over her front door. It also has an arch and the pane below is 6' x8'. Wow! I could go on and on...the panels in the Dining Room, the grape leaf window in the kitchen (which she has on her web page) The picture can not convey the beauty of the glass Nadine used. She gave me a rundown on her kilns. This was very helpful in helping me to decide on which one to get. Then up to her office and I helped her set up message rules. Guess what, looks like I have to go back...I left the 2 samples of the Uroboros in her shop and I need to return them on Saturday. KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Armstrong Shadowglass (trying again) | | >In a message dated 5/18/99 3:22:00 AM, kseeglass@netzero.net writes: | > | >>They said | >>they don't buy much Armstrong because it is brittle. | > | >It does have a rather strange consistency; it can be *very* hard and tough, | > | >the thickness isn't consistent from one sheet to the next, and it's | >definitely one of those that behaves itself much better if you warm it up | >before cutting it - if it's too cold, likely as not it will say, "Score | >line? *What* score line?" | > | >It looks nice made up though, good opalescence and not terribly expensive | > | >either. I have to wonder if their opalizing ingredient, or the way they | >mix it in, is responsible for making it so weird to cut (when you grind it, | >it also tends to be really chippy and easy to overgrind). | > | > | >Sparks | > (the idea of warming glass on a heating pad | > before cutting it was my idea) | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 21:10:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Giraffe Panel Done Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:06:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May18.13627.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Susan, Well the giraffe panel is done. Did it in a oval format. Used wispy dark green for oval border and vines and leaves, ties it together very well. Two kinds of light brown opal for face and neck lines, and some handrolled dark brown/red/clear for the spots. With a light rose waterglass for the background. The panel is just a little over 12 inches wide and a little over 17 inches tall. I did a wire border/frame out of 8 gauge copper wire twisted, so it is very strong. Figure your two pound guess on solder was pretty close. Kinda tired, not sure if it is from getting done with the panel so fast (3 days), or that the feelings of relationship ending, is starting to kick in, been angry about it for a few days, and pouring the energy of that into the glass, took it to a group at church tonight called New Friends, they loved it, one lady kept making sounds like belong in the bedroom, when she was looking at it. Guess I saw what Sparks calls that erotic orgasmic feeling that some folks get when they look at glass. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 08:31 PM Subject: Re: Giraffe Patterns ? DANG BUD!!!!! You sure do move fast!! It is hard for myself to commit to finishing a glass project so timely. Glad you are zipping along with it. Be sure to take a pic of it and let me see!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 18 22:57:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 May 1999 21:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:03:36 -0400 Message-ID: <199905190404.AAA23893@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/22/99 7:54 PM Elizabeth Arakelian glshorse@ior.com >suzy@comcat.com wrote: >> >> 5/22/99 3:08 PM Elizabeth Arakelian glshorse@ior.com >> >> It's just nature playing itself out. Those sweet creatures we love and >> share our lives with, are smaller versions of lions. :) >> Suzanne >> >> > > >oh I said absolutely NOTHING, NADA about cats being "sweet creatures we >love and share our lives with" No you didn't. I did! I happen to love the little critters. Particularly mine, who bring much joy into my life despite their annoying habits of being cats. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 01:25:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:18:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Deam mousies...?? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:55:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May22.165539.0> References: <<199905190404.AAA23893@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > 5/22/99 7:54 PM Elizabeth Arakelian glshorse@ior.com > > > No you didn't. I did! I happen to love the little critters. Particularly > mine, who bring much joy into my life despite their annoying habits of > being cats. > Suzanne oh thats OK:) I happen to love snakes which I know FOR SURE are not everyones cup of tea as a pet:) The main reason I dont have one is that my husband is pretty squeamish about it. That and I already have enough cages to clean at this point in time. Actually my main gripe with cats is that you cant contain them the way you can almost any other pet. Just about any animal can and will be destructive in some fashion but cats are the only ones you cant gate in, cage in, decisively train or clip their wings so they dont go meandering wherever they please to do whatever damage they will. If there were a way to keep a cat confined to certain areas of the house the way I do my dog I wouldnt mind one at all. I did have a cat once that I kept in the finished basement but it pulled a medicine cabinet off the wall by deciding it looked like a choice spot to use for a shelf, and it set off our alarm enough times we were going to get fined heavily by the police dept for it if it ever happened again. That was my last and final cat experience. Like I said though, I LOVE other peoples cats and cats outside. Its not the cats themselves I mind, its what they always seem to leave in their wake. I hope I didnt offend you, I was being sort of tongue in cheek. For some reason I have noticed people are NEVER lukewarm about cats. They either REALLY love them or REALLY hate them. My mother was going to get a cat and she had a friend tell her that if she did, she would never come in my mothers house again...and no it was not a cat allergy problem. Somehow people dont seem to feel as strongly about dogs or other critters (well, except maybe SNAKES) as they do about cats. Liz > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 04:55:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: technology21.com!lsg From: To: , Subject: Fw: Windows 98 not ready for Y2K; Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:00:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May19.3038.0> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: ALVIN M CALKINS To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 9:28 PM Subject: Windows 98 not ready for Y2K; > Attention; > "Anyone running Windows 98 is NOT year > 2000 compliant. Call Microsoft at 1-888-219-1302 > to order the upgrade on CD-ROM. > > When you call, do not use the digital telephone > number access - STAY on the line until the recording > is done, and you'll get an operator to take your order. > Tell them you want "Windows 98 Year 2000 Update" on CD-ROM. > It IS free and there is no charge whatsoever for the CD, > or the shipping." > > Well, I Called and ITS true > Win98 is NOT 2000Yk Compliant > and I did as instructed, stayed on the Line > Until an Operator came on. WHICH was not > very long I might add..........and I ordered > My FREE CD > Copy & Paste & Send Out to your lists, friends and family members. > This updates includes PC's bought this year!!!!! > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 07:27:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Giraffe Panel Done Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:20:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999May19.132020.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/19/99 12:12:02 AM, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: >Guess I saw what Sparks calls that erotic orgasmic feeling that some folks >get when they look at glass. That's "erotic meltdown." It's a technical term :-) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 07:57:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" , Subject: Re: Armstrong Shadowglass Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:05:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.0551.0> Precedence: bulk Bet your glass energies left those samples there on purpose, just so you could go back and experience some more. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: K See To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 09:00 PM Subject: Re: Armstrong Shadowglass Thank you all for the information about this glass. Now for an update. I left work early and went over to Nadine's. She had a sheet of the white shadowglass but it was not opaque enough for my lamp. The granite Uroboros will work much better. So I will be shopping around. Of course, I knew when I pulled up I was at the right house when I saw the beautiful window in her living room. But that was just the top arch! Downstairs in her workshop the rest is on the work table in the final stages of completion. It is huge almost floor to ceiling. She said she will post a picture when it done. Can't wait. Plus, she has plans to do the window over her front door. It also has an arch and the pane below is 6' x8'. Wow! I could go on and on...the panels in the Dining Room, the grape leaf window in the kitchen (which she has on her web page) The picture can not convey the beauty of the glass Nadine used. She gave me a rundown on her kilns. This was very helpful in helping me to decide on which one to get. Then up to her office and I helped her set up message rules. Guess what, looks like I have to go back...I left the 2 samples of the Uroboros in her shop and I need to return them on Saturday. KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Armstrong Shadowglass (trying again) | | >In a message dated 5/18/99 3:22:00 AM, kseeglass@netzero.net writes: | > | >>They said | >>they don't buy much Armstrong because it is brittle. | > | >It does have a rather strange consistency; it can be *very* hard and tough, | > | >the thickness isn't consistent from one sheet to the next, and it's | >definitely one of those that behaves itself much better if you warm it up | >before cutting it - if it's too cold, likely as not it will say, "Score | >line? *What* score line?" | > | >It looks nice made up though, good opalescence and not terribly expensive | > | >either. I have to wonder if their opalizing ingredient, or the way they | >mix it in, is responsible for making it so weird to cut (when you grind it, | >it also tends to be really chippy and easy to overgrind). | > | > | >Sparks | > (the idea of warming glass on a heating pad | > before cutting it was my idea) | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 09:00:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Conservation OnLine Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:20:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.0206.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Was surfing this morning, and found a site on conservation of art forms, it's got a LOT of real good information. Might be worth a looky by those who might be interested, and maybe even a favorite link ;-) Conservation OnLine Resources for Conservation Professionals http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/ Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 09:19:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Nancy B Gildersleeve" Subject: Re: Giraffe Panel Done Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:22:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.02224.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Nancy, Have not heard about that list, could you send me a URL link to get to it ??? Figure next project is a butterflies box, got a Rabbi (Jewish Minister) that wants a box for her prayer and meditation stuff, "to hold her heart" as she put's it. I got to admit, I have a hard time understanding, when someone is explaining about some things, she called it a "Ce""Tron" box, it's got something to do with the Jewish traditions. I did a large butterfly a while back, (do not have a picture of it, it was a pattern out of a book, about 90 some odd pieces in a 8.5 x 11 format) used black iridescent glass for the body, and some iridescent globs in the wings, and a bunch of handrolled glass. She loved it, only another lady got it before she did, so she has been bugging me to make her a butterfly ever since. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Nancy B Gildersleeve To: computerministry@unitytustin.org Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 05:05 AM Subject: Re: Giraffe Panel Done Hello, Bud--I wish you'd join the intrastar glass list and send pictures of your work to the folder there. I'd love to see the giraffe panel you just finished. Nancy G ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 09:33:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: Re: Giraffe Panel Done Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:15:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.11520.0> Precedence: bulk Been wondering what you were up to. Thought maybe that little reference might get you to poke a little note into my mail box ;-) Feeling a little better this morning, maybe it was just the brain being wrapped out to much lately. I am starting to think about a butterfly box design, think two opposing opening lids, left and right hand lids, black glass iridescent body in the middle fixed, each wing with a interior area of at least 6"x6"x3" (got to be able to put a Jewish prayer book inside), 1/4" plate mirror for the bottom, possible clear and black iridescent globs for the sides, and marbles for feet. Some just posed a thought, that the body could be a third lid, for a small middle box partition, sheez, this little insect is going to be a mind warper, gonna have to really think about how them hinges will be attached, and the opening clearance's on the three lids. Come on you all (talking to them) I just got a visual of slumped glass body, with slumped wings a 3-D wing shape, do not have a kiln, so that is not a option at the moment. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 07:34 AM Subject: Re: Giraffe Panel Done In a message dated 5/19/99 12:12:02 AM, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: >Guess I saw what Sparks calls that erotic orgasmic feeling that some folks >get when they look at glass. That's "erotic meltdown." It's a technical term :-) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 09:50:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glenna Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.12520.0> References: <<1999May18.13458.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, if you're going to Seattle, you HAVE to visit the "Gaslight" B & B...the glass is incredible, and may of the items were made by a friend of the owners' who is a hot glass artist. Friends of mine spend the weekend there last fall, and wangled a visit to the artist's studio... Enjoy ! Regards, Cheryl Ryder Fremont, CA (new to the Bungi glass mail) Family Account wrote: > Would you please unsub me on Friday May 21 and re-sub Friday May 28 (or > thereabouts), since I am heading for Seattle that week to celebrate my > grandfather's 100th birthday! Some of us are also going to drive around > the Olympic penisula and take the ferry over to Victoria (Canada). So > I'd really rather not come home to gazillions of mail messages (much as > I adore all of you.) > > Dorothy Kalahan > Shad@mail2.nai.net (I think) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 15:47:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:49:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG 1 penny deals Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:47:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May19.114737.0> Precedence: bulk This has absoulutely nothing to do with glass...but you know me, always looking for a good sale! ;o) Gotta make that grocery budget stretch you know... Anyway, not one to keep it to myself, and since so many of my friends live *here*, here's a good deal for you. http://www.drugstore.com/user/promo.asp?promoid=2330&trx=612 Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 16:10:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!fenix3 From: Phoenix To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: glass plates Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:47:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.74731.0> Precedence: bulk I am searching for a plate maker between SF Bay Area & Eugene to make special plates for my lightshows. Cheers, Phoenix fenix3@earthlink.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 18:20:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG-need help Fw: failure notice Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:40:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May19.164038.0> Precedence: bulk Can someone explain why this is happening? KSee "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through something solid that our hands have made" Eudora Welty ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 7:19 PM Subject: failure notice | Hi. This is the NetZero mail server. | I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. | This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. | | : | 206.191.82.41 does not like recipient. | Remote host said: 550 You are not permitted to send mail to | Giving up on 206.191.82.41. | | --- Below this line is a copy of the message. | | Return-Path: | Received: (qmail 9995 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 1999 22:51:23 -0000 | Received: from pppa35-resalefallschurch1-5r1039.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.16.78.238) | by pop1.netzero.net with SMTP; 19 May 1999 22:51:23 -0000 | Message-ID: <000701bea24a$123511a0$ee4e1004@oemcomputer> | From: "K See" | To: "tuka" | References: <004201bea246$d38260a0$9631c28e@default> | Subject: Re: test | Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:51:00 -0400 | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; | charset="iso-8859-1" | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | X-Priority: 3 | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal | X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 | | Lets see what happens. I know your address is good. I'm sending a copy to | the egroup for the panel see which one you get. If it works you should get | two. | | KSee | | "We see human thought and feeling best and clearest by seeing it through | something solid that our hands have made" | Eudora Welty | ----- Original Message ----- | From: tuka | To: K See | Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:27 PM | Subject: test | | | | Hi | | | | This is a test. Some people can't get email from me, you're the first | | I've heard of who can't send mail to me. | | | | Shiela | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 19:53:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: photo negatives in s.g. Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:28:05 EDT Message-ID: <1999May20.2285.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! Can anyone point me to a resource that explains/shows how to use photographic negatives in stained glass? Thanks, Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 19 20:53:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:56:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: stained or hot glass in D.C.? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May19.185448.0> Precedence: bulk Coming out of lurkdom for a while to ask what interesting glass sites there are to see in Washington, D.C. We are spending a few days there and was wondering what I can do to not suffer from glass withdrawal? I read the Renwick Gallery has glass art on display. Anything else? Thanks for any ideas! Dany http://www.city-net.com/~dany Daniela Birkelbach Kennebec, Inc. Custom Software Development Internet Solutions http://www.kennebec-inc.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 00:53:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 00:01:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------195A164D9260C4412E573791" Subject: [Fwd: Conservation OnLine] Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:53:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.165340.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------195A164D9260C4412E573791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, If you ever have the opportunity to visit the Stanford University Campus in Palo Alto, CA, be sure to visit the Chapel...it has some seriously lovely large stained glass windows. Regards, Cheryl Ryder --------------195A164D9260C4412E573791 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by mail-sf1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA20039 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id JAA12670; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Bungi" Subject: Conservation OnLine Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:20:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.0206.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Was surfing this morning, and found a site on conservation of art forms, it's got a LOT of real good information. Might be worth a looky by those who might be interested, and maybe even a favorite link ;-) Conservation OnLine Resources for Conservation Professionals http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/ Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------195A164D9260C4412E573791-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 01:08:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 00:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: photo negatives in s.g. Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:56:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.16569.0> References: <<1999May20.2285.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Laura, This is interesting. Can you explain a bit more about what it you want to do with the negatives and the glass? Many thanks, Cheryl HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > Hi all! > > Can anyone point me to a resource that explains/shows how to use photographic > negatives in stained glass? > Thanks, > Laura > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 08:22:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Elisabeth? Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May20.34130.0> Precedence: bulk Are you still with us? Do I have your email address wrong? T Suz > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to blackmail.nildram.co.uk.: > >>> MAIL From: > <<< 550 Mail from 206.214.98.2 refused: http://www.orbs.org/ > 554 ... Service unavailable > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 08:51:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Photo Negatives and Glass Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.234136.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Laura, Here is a link, that mentions doing something similar to what I think you are talking about, === it is in The NASA Astrophysics Data System abstract database. http://adswww.harvard.edu/ http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1979N80-27254.....S& db_key=AST&high=02325 1979N80-27254.....S 0.566 00/1979 A STANDEN, P. R.;TRITTON, K. P. The UK 1.2m Schmidt telescope and the Southern Sky Survey. Part 3: Plate copying Abstract The plate copying procedures used to make the atlas film copies of the blue (3aJ) half of a southern sky survey are described. The accepted original negatives for the survey are on 356 x 356 mm glass plates, 1 mm thick. The copying process has been optimized for the faintest objects. Intermediate positives are made using Kodak Process emulsion on 356 mm x 356 mm glass plates 3 mm thick. Copy plates are developed in Kodak D-76. Atlas film copies are produced from the positive using Kodak Aerographic 4421 emulsion on Estar Thick base. A Versamat 317 automatic processor is used for developing the films in Versamat B developer. All quality control procedures are given. ==== And no, I did not do this kind of stuff before my aneurysm, I just use any and all search engines that I can find, so that I can find any and all information that I want to find. Figured that it would be a technical process, and perhaps a archival process, since glass lasts longer than acetate film. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 09:17:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: NG: Star/Outer Space Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:44:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May19.23442.0> Precedence: bulk http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/skyview.html Anybody into Star/Outer Space Viewing using government equipment Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 09:19:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Re: Photo Negatives and Glass Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:17:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May20.01713.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/ti0550/ ti0550.shtml http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/ti0549/ ti0549.shtml Perhaps, you were looking to put a negative image on a sheet of glass, that then could be put in a stained glass piece, (they say that if you used a negative for source, you would end up with a positive on this photo glass) Above is a link for a photographic kind of glass that Kodak produces. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 07:15 AM Subject: Re: Photo Negatives and Glass Thanks, I will check it out Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 10:46:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Brazing rods... Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:19:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May20.41920.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you to everyone who replied to my question about flux & rods. Big cyber-hugs all around!!! It's wonderful to have met you all, and I hope you know how rare and valuable people like you are, who aren't afraid or reluctant to share your knowledge. Hope you all have a super weekend!!! - Dawn Barker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 11:51:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Glass Related: Angle Figures Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:00:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May20.3056.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Been working on figuring the butterfly box pattern, want the wings to be in a semi flight position. Let's see, for those who would like to visualize it, take your hands palms up, put the inner edges together, raise the outer edges, keeping hands in a straight plane, raise the fingertips slightly above the heels of the palms. I have traced a butterfly wing pattern that I want to use, and now am trying to figure the angle cuts for the vertical sides of the box, it is not the normal rectangle box, it is like a inflated mirrored V. I have prepared a graphic, for sending if anyone would like to help me figure this puppy out. Anybody out there good at figuring multiple angles ??? Figure this box will most likely be in the 300.00 to 400.00 price range once I get all the iridescent globs and all put in it. The finished size, is going to be about 15 inches width, and 12 inches depth, 4 inches in height in front, and 6 inches in height in the rear (at the head of the butterfly). It's for a Jewish Rabbi, for her prayer book, and "Heart Stuff". Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 20 14:18:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Butterfly box Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:34:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May20.53426.0> Precedence: bulk Forget about the angles everyone, the Rabbi, freaked once I told her how big the box would have to be so that she could put her "little" prayer book inside. Now she wants to go with a smaller box, and a smaller price, will still do a great design, I like butterflies. ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 02:49:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 02:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:12:18 +0000 Message-ID: <199905210917.JAA15286@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne T, Hi All, Don't worry! I'm still there! Am a little bit in "lurker mode", 'cause I have been so busy. Going to USA to see ya all takes a bit of preparation, both for the journey itself and on the home front. Once I have the ticket in my hands (next week, I'm told), I can let you all know more details. In the mean time, I am putting together drawings and quote for 7 panels and today am going for lunch to a College who want me to quote for another commemorative panel. Things are definitely looking up. My e-mail address is still the same, for any of you who may have got "fatal error" messages. My "MS- start flag" is still AWOL, but I have saved the messages folks have sent me. Just don't have enough courage to dig too far into this machine, without knowing I can safely back out again. My roses are beginning to bud up, the lilac is in full bloom, so is the laburnum and it's very pretty right now.As a birthday treat I am being taken to a concert at Glyndebourne in about 10 days (long dresses and tails event and very exclusive [ i.e. expensive]). Don't know if you have heard about Glyndebourne and its concerts in the summer. It's a mansion in the heart of Sussex (close to the south coast of England), which really is able to attract the superstars in the World. It's very intimate and you go for the day and have lunch there (also costing an arm and a leg). But it is sort of a life-time experience. I had a long floor-length skirt made about 30 years ago and other than an inch at the waist (middle-age spread??) found to my amazement that it still fits me. I am being totally spoiled! The concert? La Clemenza di Tito by Mozart. Hey! What happened to that lazy Biographer?? Has anyone seen either hair or hind of Mr. O'TuTu?? What's his excuse?? I knew one couldn't trust that Irish Butt. !! Which reminds me, have also been asked for quote 'n initial sketches for a 7 ft tall commemorative panel in Ireland and will probably need to go there to have a look. I have never been to Ireland (either), so that will be an experience. 'nuff for now! Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Elisabeth? > Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:41:30 -0500 > Are you still with us? Do I have your email address wrong? > > T Suz > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 04:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 03:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Elisabeth 'n Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: A time planner Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:50:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May21.25058.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth Good to hear about all your good news.news. This was just sent to me and I thought of you. It may help all of us to boot. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 09:49:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Ed where are you? Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:02:20 EDT Message-ID: <1999May21.16220.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry Ed I got your request and then deleted my mail, duh I deleted your address. Of course I don't have everyone in my address book. SO once again I am sorry. I am going away for the weekend to Philadelphia. I'll send the patterns on Monday , I promise. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 12:19:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Re: Ed where are you? Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May21.34846.0> Precedence: bulk Ed, If you send me your address, I will send the patterns, if they are the same ones that she sent me. Are they the Judaic or Hebrew scans that you wanted? Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 09:59 AM Subject: Ed where are you? Sorry Ed I got your request and then deleted my mail, duh I deleted your address. Of course I don't have everyone in my address book. SO once again I am sorry. I am going away for the weekend to Philadelphia. I'll send the patterns on Monday , I promise. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 12:42:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glassers in need of R and R Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May21.85324.0> Precedence: bulk When will you be home from the big Tour? Remember this? Do I need to bring my own sleeping bag? Still in need of escape....calgon take me away................. Pam, you still up for it? My guess is...we better pack clothes Pam...'less our Miss E has smudge pots in her garden. How's October in England? ;o) Frisky nymphettes dancing in the cold, but heated English garden...(maybe I should become a romance writer?) Oh, is there a time limit to this offer? ;o) T Suz > From: "Toby" > To: glass@bungi.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Subject: Re: suzanne de tulsa's missive and our escape plan > Summary: Authenticated sender is > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:32:50 +0000 > Message-ID: <199811201940.TAA03953@saturn.nildram.co.uk> > Precedence: bulk > > Yep!!! > Clothes optional!! > I'll provide the moon-light! > Patrick?? > Only WITH tu-tu!! > E 'n T in UK > > > In a message dated 11/19/98 6:25:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > bshep@dircon.co.uk writes: > > > > > Elisabeth! > > > > > > I hope you will bring all your run away moonlighting mothers to Cornwall > > for > > > a few days! Ann and I would be delighted to see you all! We can > > accommodate > > > two confortably and two more on matresses on the floor! > > > > > > Regards > > > > Hey Suzanne, > > > > Look!!! We are getting invites from people who will shelter us during our > > escape from family life. Pack your tools (it appears clothes are optional) > > and I'll meet you at the airport. > > > > Pat > > > > ps. We need to pick up Patrick on our way, I think he would be willing to go > > too. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 12:50:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Patrick and Mailmen Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:58:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May21.8587.0> Precedence: bulk Mr Tutu.... My mailman asked about you today. He saw that I was mailing a damage claim. He had a good laugh as I talked about your very funny however inscrutiatingly (is that a word?) cruel sense of humor! ;o) Where are you hiding, Patrick? Tomorrow is Saturday. Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 13:51:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:55:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:PAM.... glassers in need of R and R Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:54:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May21.95427.0> References: <<1999May21.85324.0>> Precedence: bulk Pam...forgot key question.....which airport? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 16:19:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass painting classes - silk screen method Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:33:56 +0800 Message-ID: <1999May22.13356.0> Precedence: bulk hello im looking for information on classes on silkscreen paint on to bevels and firing them- ed hoys had a class in chicago however it is filled and i'm on waiting list - i've asked the cornig museum for info and have not heard back (I phoned them) does anyone have an e-mail for them or other suggenstions? also going to be in phily in june 12-16 anyone know of any classes there i could always make a repeat trip - please help - from a newbie who wants to learn another facet of glass- just ordered kiln i'm sooooo very excited - now just need a class or guidence on how to use it- thanks so very much for your help in advance- this is a wonderful souce of info- glad we have this opportunity- ricky Glass expressions ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 17:24:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mediaone.net!izzy3 From: Michael Smoucha To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained or hot glass in D.C.? Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May21.131940.0> References: <<1999May19.185448.0>> Precedence: bulk Daniela Birkelbach wrote: > Coming out of lurkdom for a while to ask what interesting glass sites there > are to see in Washington, D.C. We are spending a few days there and was > wondering what I can do to not suffer from glass withdrawal? I read the > Renwick Gallery has glass art on display. Anything else? > > Thanks for any ideas! > > Dany > Definitely check out the Washington Cathedral. Lots af art glass by different Studio's and artist in every lancet. Also some great stone work etc. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 21 19:24:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stained glass in D.C.? Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:03:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990521220303.008fbed0@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Call ahead ...the cathedral has tours occasionally that are specifically about the windows including the closed to the public staircases on either side of the facade. Dee >Definitely check out the Washington Cathedral. Lots af art glass by different >Studio's and artist in every lancet. Also some great stone work etc. > >ms > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 22 08:25:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 May 1999 07:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stained or hot glass in D.C.? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:48:48 EDT Message-ID: <1999May22.144848.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/21/99 8:25:13 PM, izzy3@mediaone.net writes: >Definitely check out the Washington Cathedral. Lots af art glass by different >Studio's and artist in every lancet. Also some great stone work etc. Absolutely. You can spend a whole day at the National Cathedral without even trying! They have guided tours, also a terrific book and gift store down in the "crypt" where you can get some wonderful books on the cathedral and its construction. (I'm still kicking myself for not buying one when I was there a couple of years ago.) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 22 10:25:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 May 1999 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass painting classes - silk screen method Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:33:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May22.23343.0> References: <<1999May22.13356.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Ricky, I'm not certain whether Dan Fenton teaches this process, but it can't hurt to call and check it out. Fenton Glass Studio Dan Fenton 4001 San Leandro St. Oakland, CA 94601 510-533-5515 Dan teaches glass slumping, fusing, painting and a myriad of other courses, both at his studio in Oakland, CA, and as a guest instructor throughout the US. I took his basic slumping/fusing course a couple of years ago. Regards, Cheryl Ryder Glass Expressions wrote: > hello im looking for information on classes on silkscreen paint on to bevels > and firing them- ed hoys had a class in chicago however it is filled and > i'm on waiting list - i've asked the cornig museum for info and have not > heard back (I phoned them) does anyone have an e-mail for them or other > suggenstions? also going to be in phily in june 12-16 anyone know of any > classes there i could always make a repeat trip - please help - from a > newbie who wants to learn another facet of glass- just ordered kiln i'm > sooooo very excited - now just need a class or guidence on how to use it- > thanks so very much for your help in advance- this is a wonderful souce of > info- glad we have this opportunity- ricky Glass expressions > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 22 10:47:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 May 1999 09:42:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stained or hot glass in D.C.? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:40:49 EDT Message-ID: <1999May22.164049.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/22/99 11:26:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << Absolutely. You can spend a whole day at the National Cathedral without even trying! They have guided tours, also a terrific book and gift store down in the "crypt" where you can get some wonderful books on the cathedral and its construction. (I'm still kicking myself for not buying one when I was there a couple of years ago.) Sparks >> We were there a few years ago and it was wonderful. One sg window had as it's center piece a "Moon Rock". Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 22 10:58:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 May 1999 09:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Question on Wire Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:32:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May22.23242.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Has anybody made their own twisted Wire? I have been twisting 8 gauge and 10 gauge solid and 16 gauge stranded for use as edging on panels and suncatchers. What I would like to find out a way of doing, is pre-tinning the twisted wire, so that I do not have to apply so much soldering iron heat at the side of the glass, when I am putting the wire onto the panel. Was thinking about a solder pot/bath kind of thing, does anyone know of this, and how it might be done? Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 22 11:59:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 May 1999 11:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Request from Elisabeth 'n Toby Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 19:21:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199905221826.SAA08997@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I don't often ask for help with designs. Well.... I have just got what I hope is only a 24-hour cold bug; I got on very well at the College and am being asked to produce a half circular panel of Phoenix rising out of the ashes. About 15 sq.ft worth..... Can you help me in finding designs of phoenix please. I know the briefest of outlines of the Greek mythology. phoenix the bird who was the only one of its kind; lived for 500 - 600 years, burnt to death on its own funeral pire and rose up again from the ashes, having found eternal youth. It's to commemorate a Mr. Phoenix. Tell you more later..... And what colours was a phoenix bird supposed to be??? Where can I find good ideas for fire and flame-shapes?? I have 25 days to think up and produce some "rough sketches"..... My second request is for "do-able" Celtic letters "S" and "P", about 14 inches by 14 - 18" inches high..... (to be incorporated in a 20 inch wide by 7 feet tall panel - top and bottom) Thank you all. Hhhhhhaaaa----tttcchh-ooooooo ( Bloody Cold!!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 22 13:29:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Request from Elisabeth 'n Toby Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:48:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May22.94834.0> References: <<199905221826.SAA08997@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk http://hsa.brown.edu/~maicar/000Images/phoenix.gif http://www.ci.phoenix.az.us/SCANPIC/birdhubb.gif http://www.erols.com/phoenixlanding/myth.html http://www.phoenicians.com/phoenix.html in stained glass...the American Indian Phoenix, the thunderbird. Way cool panel! ;o) http://www.powersstainedglass.com/images/imagepages/image4.htm http://www.pond.net/~windarts/bigart.f/wind.0331.html There could be something cool done with a phoneix flying up in sort of a swirl and the tail swirling around it as flame. Wish I could draw better. This is all I have found so far. My browser appears to be crashing. Darn. Better send this before I lose everything, all over again. T Suz. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 22 20:18:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bimamail.com!derekl From: derekl@bimamail.com To: fasj@shdjjkjk.net Subject: FREE $100 Aircheck plus $15,000 in Travel Date: Sat, 22 May 99 22:34:54 EST Message-ID: <199905230207.FAA20245@hercule.utcluj.ro> Precedence: bulk Dear Fellow Traveler, Would you be interested in receiving a package of travel benefits worth in excess of $15,000 for a fraction of the cost? What if I told you, if you need it, you are guaranteed to receive 100% financing approval on this spectacular package? 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If you are one of the first 100 applicants you will receive a Coastal Phone Card with 1 hour of free long distance to use while on vacation, for your business or personal calls. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// If you wish to be removed please reply to: mailto:ashley5678@businessweekmail.com?subject=remove /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 01:48:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glassers in need of R and R Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:00:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199905230805.IAA16250@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Cheeky little so-and-so!!! ;-> Yes I vaguely do remember! That was just before I became ill last year. As now is emerging, I will arrive back in UK on 1st October.....have "shunted" all my teaching schedules one week onwards....should have started around 29th September. October in England CAN be quite nice, but a bit "nippy". Glass tu-tus may get steamed up by the morning mist (perhaps just as well!!), the sun not always out bright and clear to display gnomen's shadow (equally just as well.....?) Sleeping bags recommended and soldering activities in the garden may be somewhat uncomfortable. Hmmm..... E 'n T in UK T Suz wrote: > When will you be home from the big Tour? Remember this? Do I need to > bring my own sleeping bag? Still in need of escape....calgon take me > away................. Pam, you still up for it? My guess is...we > better pack clothes Pam...'less our Miss E has smudge pots in her > garden. > How's October in England? ;o) Frisky nymphettes dancing in the cold, > but heated English garden...(maybe I should become a romance writer?) > Oh, is there a time limit to this offer? ;o) > > > > From: "Toby" > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Subject: Re: suzanne de tulsa's missive and our escape plan > > Summary: Authenticated sender is > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:32:50 +0000 > > Message-ID: <199811201940.TAA03953@saturn.nildram.co.uk> > > Precedence: bulk > > > > Yep!!! > > Clothes optional!! > > I'll provide the moon-light! > > Patrick?? > > Only WITH tu-tu!! > > E 'n T in UK > > > > > In a message dated 11/19/98 6:25:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > bshep@dircon.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > Elisabeth! > > > > > > > > I hope you will bring all your run away moonlighting mothers to Cornwall > > > for > > > > a few days! Ann and I would be delighted to see you all! We can > > > accommodate > > > > two confortably and two more on matresses on the floor! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Hey Suzanne, > > > > > > Look!!! We are getting invites from people who will shelter us during our > > > escape from family life. Pack your tools (it appears clothes are optional) > > > and I'll meet you at the airport. > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > ps. We need to pick up Patrick on our way, I think he would be willing to go > > > too. > > > ---- ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 05:17:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 04:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:52:59 EDT Message-ID: <1999May23.115259.0> Precedence: bulk The other day I went to "Bed, Bath & Beyond" (a big linens & housewares store, for those of you who aren't familiar with it) to pick up a set of sheets, and (as usual) was browsing around the store, and found a couple of bargains: bags of 50 tea light candles for $4.99, and 2-pound bags of medium-sized glass nuggets for $3.99. Not a whole lot of color selection in the nuggets - clear, black opaque, champagne pink, and several blues and blue-greens - but the price was too good to pass up. I picked up a bag of clear and a bag of iridescent blue. Now, to figure out what to do with them........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 07:49:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 07:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Re: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 06:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May22.234518.0> Precedence: bulk Yeah I find stuff like that a lot, keep my eyes open, bought some globs, just yesterday at Michael's. I use them for feet, and accents in Butterfly wings. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 05:33 AM Subject: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place The other day I went to "Bed, Bath & Beyond" (a big linens & housewares store, for those of you who aren't familiar with it) to pick up a set of sheets, and (as usual) was browsing around the store, and found a couple of bargains: bags of 50 tea light candles for $4.99, and 2-pound bags of medium-sized glass nuggets for $3.99. Not a whole lot of color selection in the nuggets - clear, black opaque, champagne pink, and several blues and blue-greens - but the price was too good to pass up. I picked up a bag of clear and a bag of iridescent blue. Now, to figure out what to do with them........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 08:03:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 07:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglassartists.com!Pam From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Apprenticeship Questions Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:06:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May23.0643.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk If someone is looking for an Apprenticeship position in the glass field, would you suggest they know the background of the shop they want to study at? And what credentials do studio/shop owners want to see from the artist who wants the apprenticeship position? And typically, how long would you suggest the "student" stay with the apprenticeship position? Am I out of line when I think that a student must do their homework on the "Teacher" just as much as the Teacher should do their homework on the student credential wise? What is the best way to approach a studio for an apprenticeship position? What would you as a studio like the student to have in experience before you take the student on? These questions are not for any article I'm drumming up. I've had numerous inquiries from women mostly, on the "how to" or "where to go" in apprenticeship positions. And every inquiry has been from another country. I find this interesting and am seeing that women in certain countries have a hard time finding positions in the glass field. Anyone else notice this? Thanks, Pam ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 08:50:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Elisabeth Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May23.522.0> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, My mail to you is being bounced back to me. Guess I will have to come up with *code* for public consumption! You got your code ring? Maybe you should just let me know when your mail is back to working properly. I find my *code* messages run quite short, as I'm not very good at writing code ;o). So, does this mean you have no smudge pots and clothing is recommended? Just as well. :o( By the way, What does Cheeky mean, and me? Cheeky? If nothing else, I'll fill you in in August. :o) By the way, if you havent gotten the message Lenore and I intend to be roomies with you at the Meredith workshop! Are ya just about to POP from the excitement of it all? ;o) T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 09:02:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: HiimLaura@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: photo negatives in s.g. Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 11:02:02 EDT Message-ID: <1999May23.1522.0> Precedence: bulk Regarding photo negatives in stained glass, I have made several panels incorporating antique photo negatives into them and plan to make many more as I am really pleased with the effect, rather otherworldly or ethereal. As for how to do it, all I have done is to copper foil and solder like you would any other peice of glass. Because the image is not really in the glass but is on a film attached to the glass the trick is to be very, very careful with any use of chemicals and then later with cleaning. I use only water soluble flux, do NOT wax it, cover it with cardboard when you wax the rest of the panel as wax will turn it gummy and then the film with flake off when you try to buff it. Thereafter cleaning should be done only with light dusting, no chemicals. There is an artist who works with glass in New York who has developed a technique of transferring any photo onto glass so that then you get your colors to work with (antique negatives are black and white) and then he uses it in stained glass types of applications. He has a web site at www.kellyarc.com Pretty interesting stuff! Gwyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 09:17:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:05:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May23.554.0> References: <<1999May23.115259.0>> Precedence: bulk If you need more black just let me know...my pile of those is piling up! lol..guess I will use black in *something* *someday*. :o) Suzanne > Not a whole lot of color selection in the nuggets - clear, black opaque, > champagne pink, and several blues and blue-greens - but the price was too > good to pass up. I picked up a bag of clear and a bag of iridescent blue. > Now, to figure out what to do with them........ > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 09:20:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glassers in need of R and R Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:08:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May23.5857.0> References: <<199905230805.IAA16250@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > Cheeky little so-and-so!!! ;-> > Uh oh....the so and so part doesnt make that look complimentary. :-/ T Suz ;o) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 09:33:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 07:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:41:56 -0400 Message-ID: <199905231442.KAA26512@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/23/99 7:52 AM Witchdoc3@aol.com Witchdoc3@aol.com > >Not a whole lot of color selection in the nuggets - clear, black opaque, >champagne pink, and several blues and blue-greens - but the price was too >good to pass up. I picked up a bag of clear and a bag of iridescent blue. >Now, to figure out what to do with them........ Surround geodes with nuggets. Picture frames with lotsa nuggets. Dragonfly bodies, candleholders - you guessed it, nuggets! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 11:16:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 10:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: "Daniela Birkelbach" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained or hot glass in D.C.? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:01:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May23.9148.0> References: <<1999May19.185448.0>> Precedence: bulk Dany Check out this site from the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/museums/front.htm Here is a glass guild with links in the VA Beach/Norfolk, VA area http://members.aol.com/glassva/ look at the Art of Glass I have to say there is certainly a lot to see in this area and just like when I lived in NYC (born & raised) I never went to most of it.!! KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniela Birkelbach To: Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 10:54 PM Subject: stained or hot glass in D.C.? | Coming out of lurkdom for a while to ask what interesting glass sites there | are to see in Washington, D.C. We are spending a few days there and was | wondering what I can do to not suffer from glass withdrawal? I read the | Renwick Gallery has glass art on display. Anything else? | | Thanks for any ideas! | | Dany | | http://www.city-net.com/~dany | | Daniela Birkelbach | Kennebec, Inc. | Custom Software Development | Internet Solutions | http://www.kennebec-inc.com | | | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 11:40:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: Apprenticeship Questions Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 03:30:06 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May24.13306.0> References: <<1999May23.0643.0>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Warning! Topic close to my heart - long post! > These questions are not for any article I'm drumming up. I've had > numerous inquiries from women mostly, on the "how to" or "where to go" > in apprenticeship positions. And every inquiry has been from another > country. I find this interesting and am seeing that women in certain > countries have a hard time finding positions in the glass field. Anyone > else notice this? > I sure do! (being one of the requesters!) I've called so many people now, dropped in on studios, introduced myself, built a rapport with many of the studios around here, and the suppliers. I never fail to ask for their advice, I always make a point of finding (if I can) one or a few of their works around the place so I have an idea what they specialize in, I bring photos of my work so they can critique it and judge my level of skill. People generally have been really helpful, many of them saying that they'd be delighted to send people to me if a) they get overbooked, or b) it's an item they don't do. Most of them have said "go it alone!", eager to see more people around promoting sg, even if it puts me in competition with them (surprising). One or two have been very bitchy - telling me why would they train someone who'll end up stealing their customers? (I'd have thought that reaction was from past experiences, but when I asked, No, they'd never had trainees before) In my state, there's only one accredited course you can do in sg. And you can't sign up for it unless you already have an employer who's willing to take you on as an apprentice/trainee. My solution to this was : download a copy of the course outline, including examination criteria, and start working my way through it - practising each action, finding out the standards and building codes, researching history, etc. If no-one else will train me, I'll do it myself! I'm NOT going to open a business selling work that I think is damn good, with my fingers crossed behind my back that it'll still be good years from now. uh, I think I've just had a ramble! (getting that frustration off my chest!) as far as your questions go, Pam, I'll be keeping a real close eye on the response you get! >And typically, how long would you suggest the "student" stay with the apprenticeship position? I'd be ready to stay with an employer to the point the EMPLOYER thought I had nothing left to learn - to a point, of course, there's that line between knowing the skills, and different ARTISTIC directions. >Am I out of line when I think that a student must do their homework on the "Teacher" just as much as the Teacher should do their homework on the student credential wise? IMO, this is common courtesy, smart career sense (why ask for employment from a studio you and others don't respect?), and a sign of dedication. Every studio I have approached, I have asked for their opinion on the profile of sg in Qld, their ideas on where the field is heading, etc. What fun! I may not have found an employer yet, but I've made a few friends! SG craftspeople love to talk... have you ever noticed that....;-) Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 11:47:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 10:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Artglass From: Artglass@webtv.net (Glass Tat-2) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: WE have a great portable art-glass work table Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May23.33047.0> Precedence: bulk Hi From Glass Tattoo in Cal. Can I send this e-mail out to everyone?? We are selling a great portable work table and it is on our web site,plus many other items for show and tell , go to www.glasstattoo.com We will be featuring this and other glass items at the art-glass trade show,(open to the public on Sun 13th only) in Long Beach ,CA. June 11-13 We also teach any type of art-glass you want to learn. Send us an e-mail or call Wed-Sat at 805-65-TATTOO Thanks Larry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 12:14:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 11:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 11:14:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990523111437.006a987c@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999May23.115259.0>> Precedence: bulk At 07:52 AM 5/23/99 EDT, Sparks wrote: >The other day I went to "Bed, Bath & Beyond" (a big linens & housewares >store, for those of you who aren't familiar with it) to pick up a set of >sheets, and (as usual) was browsing around the store, and found a couple of >bargains: bags of 50 tea light candles for $4.99, and 2-pound bags of >medium-sized glass nuggets for $3.99. > >Not a whole lot of color selection in the nuggets - clear, black opaque, >champagne pink, and several blues and blue-greens - but the price was too >good to pass up. I picked up a bag of clear and a bag of iridescent blue. >Now, to figure out what to do with them........ > Sounds to me like you've just become front-runner in that nugget lamp contest! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 12:50:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: Subject: picture of a phoenix Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:36:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May23.63638.0> Precedence: bulk The University of Phoenix in the U.S. uses a modernistic form of the phoenix as their logo. view it at www.universityofphoenix.com Shari -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 12:58 PM Subject: Request from Elisabeth 'n Toby > > >Hi All, > >I don't often ask for help with designs. >Well.... I have just got what I hope is only a 24-hour cold bug; >I got on very well at the College and am being asked to produce a >half circular panel of Phoenix rising out of the ashes. About 15 >sq.ft worth..... >Can you help me in finding designs of phoenix please. I know the >briefest of outlines of the Greek mythology. phoenix the bird who was >the only one of its kind; lived for 500 - 600 years, burnt to death >on its own funeral pire and rose up again from the ashes, having >found eternal youth. >It's to commemorate a Mr. Phoenix. Tell you more later..... >And what colours was a phoenix bird supposed to be??? >Where can I find good ideas for fire and flame-shapes?? > >I have 25 days to think up and produce some "rough sketches"..... > >My second request is for "do-able" Celtic letters "S" and "P", about >14 inches by 14 - 18" inches high..... (to be incorporated in a 20 >inch wide by 7 feet tall panel - top and bottom) > >Thank you all. > > >Hhhhhhaaaa----tttcchh-ooooooo ( Bloody Cold!!) > >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 13:04:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Apprenticeship Questions Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:16:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199905231916.PAA18235@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > If someone is looking for an Apprenticeship position in the glass > field, would you suggest they know the background of the shop they > want to study at? And what credentials do studio/shop owners want to > see from the artist who wants the apprenticeship position? In the classic stained glass studio ... and there are a few of those around, generally in their 3rd or 4th generation at this point ... an apprentice made a 4-year committment to the studio and began by sweeping floors, etc., over time being introduced to each facet of the craft so that by the end of the fourth year, he/she would be considered a "journeyman," able to produce work accurately to the studio's designer's specifications, install windows, de-install windows ... the works. Journeymen are also often referred to as "mechanics," since their work is mechanical, faithfully following the guidelines set down by the studio's owner (not always a craftsman, although usually that's the case). Anyone entering such an apprenticeship did so (and does so even today ... I know of studios who *do hire apprentices) having decided to make stained glass craft a life's work. They don't consider themselves artists, nor do the journeymen with 20-30 years of experience. They pride themselves on their craft and work as a team to produce the studio's work. Exactly as Tiffany Studios was run, by the way. > And typically, how long would you suggest the "student" stay with > the apprenticeship position? See above about lifetime committment. That doesn't mean that the studio that trains an apprentice sees the employee as some sort of serf, but as someone in whom they make a major, major investment in time, energy, training and so on, hoping that they'll "make the cut," move upward to journeyman status (and higher pay and benefits) becoming a long-time member of the studio's team and contributing solidly to the studio's work. Studios seriously in business need employees seriously on the job, committed to the studio's work. That's why apprenticeships have existed in all crafts down through the ages. If any studio gets the impression that the "apprentice" is there only as long as they feel they have to be in order to go down the street and open their own studio, the level of interest in that person as a potential apprentice drops to zero. See above about life-long committment. A studio is not a school, churning out people who can do the same thing (sort of, 'cept different) the studio's already doing. > What is the best way to approach a studio for an apprenticeship > position? What would you as a studio like the student to have in > experience before you take the student on? Preferably, no glass experience at all. Studios I know who've hired self-trained or otherwise-trained (read "trained in a hobby supply store set of classes") hoping that they'd take the career seriously have been disappointed. What they've inevitably ended up with are prima donnas who want to design (nevermind they can't draw, have no art background, couldn't engineer a paper bag that'd stand up, etc.), who're constantly saying, "Well, *my teacher at Pane in the Glass told me to do it *that way!" and generally being too proud or too all-knowing about everything that they've inevitably left before long, usually long before the apprenticeship was complete. The would-be apprentice is disappointed. The head of the studio is disappointed. Nobody's happy. So the best way to approach a studio is first to realize you're embarking upon a career as demanding as ... well, at least as demanding as any liberal arts major at college would be. There's lots to know and more to learn to do well. Studios that hire apprentices are usually quite large: 10-12 employees on the bench, sometimes more than that. Smaller studios, particularly 1-2 person shops, can't afford either the time or financial investment necessary to fully train a person who can't really be expected to contribute to the bottom line (this is business!) for 3-4 years. So if you're looking for an apprenticeship spot, look at large studios, be serious about your intentions, and for gosh sake, imagine that you can *learn something, not that you're there to teach *them! An apprentice is always paid a wage. Not as much as a journeyman, naturally, but it's a living wage ... with benefits. That's evidence on the studio owner's part that he/she is making a committment to the apprentice, just as the apprentice has made a committment to the studio for a period of time ... and to a possible future. > These questions are not for any article I'm drumming up. I've had > numerous inquiries from women mostly, on the "how to" or "where to > go" in apprenticeship positions. And every inquiry has been from > another country. I find this interesting and am seeing that women in > certain countries have a hard time finding positions in the glass > field. Anyone else notice this? I'm assuming by "another country," you mean countries other than the United States, right Pam? I get those, too, and am as unsure how to respond to them as you are. Haven't noticed the male/female ratio, though. The first thing that comes to *my mind is "can they speak English well enough to understand what they're being taught?" What a hurdle *that would be to overcome, and that on top of training someone from the ground up might be a deal breaker. Anyway, this country (U.S.) has had a number of major studios run by women ... or with highly skilled female journeymen on the benches. Not the majority of journeymen and owners by a long shot, but a respectable number. And that's still true. They have a reputation for being more demanding than their male counterparts, too. Hope this diatribe's helpful to someone. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 13:19:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 11:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: ktsplash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Apprenticeship Questions Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:56:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May23.8560.0> References: <<1999May24.13306.0>> Precedence: bulk > One or two have been very bitchy - telling me why would they > train someone who'll end up stealing their customers? (I'd have thought that > reaction was from past experiences, but when I asked, No, they'd never had > trainees before) ..and who would want to hang out with them anyway? T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 13:42:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: ktsplash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Apprenticeship Questions Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May23.85757.0> References: <<1999May24.13306.0>> Precedence: bulk > My solution to this was : download a copy of the course outline, including > examination criteria, and start working my way through it - practising each > action, finding out the standards and building codes, researching history, > etc. Mind if I ask where? T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 15:17:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Subject: Re: Apprenticeship Questions Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:28:09 +0100 Message-ID: <1999May23.23289.0> References: <<1999May23.0643.0@?>> Precedence: bulk This is timely Pamela. I have a letter on my desk asking for an apprenticeship. Well, I would like to have an apprentice, but I can't pay one! She should have found out what kind of work I do, and so whether it is the kind she is wanting to do. I might take her on anyway, but she would not be so happy if she wanted painting and all she got was leading. She should have had some artistic background (school, college, evening classes) and I would expect to see some of her work on paper, or if in glass, photographs. But I'm really more interested in the design ideas. She should have had some practical experience (not necessarily but usefully, in glass) to show that she is capable with tools and is "handy" Critical observation is an important element in this work, so I give people a little test - I give them a ruler and a drawing triangle and a pencil and ask them to 1) draw a square 100 mm and three parallel lines 150 mm long. If they cant do both those tasks and observe that they are correct before submitting them to me, they are no use. It is amazing how many people can't do both these tasks accurately. Then all the other usual employee things kick in - compatibility, reliability, references, etc. Steve In message <1999May23.0643.0@?>, Pamela Burns-Tappan writes >If someone is looking for an Apprenticeship position in the glass field, >would you suggest they know the background of the shop they want to >study at? And what credentials do studio/shop owners want to see from >the artist who wants the apprenticeship position? > >And typically, how long would you suggest the "student" stay with the >apprenticeship position? Am I out of line when I think that a student >must do their homework on the "Teacher" just as much as the Teacher >should do their homework on the student credential wise? What is the >best way to approach a studio for an apprenticeship position? What would >you as a studio like the student to have in experience before you take >the student on? > >These questions are not for any article I'm drumming up. I've had >numerous inquiries from women mostly, on the "how to" or "where to go" >in apprenticeship positions. And every inquiry has been from another >country. I find this interesting and am seeing that women in certain >countries have a hard time finding positions in the glass field. Anyone >else notice this? > >Thanks, > >Pam > > >********************************* > >Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://www.stainedglassartists.com/ > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 15:43:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: More to see in DC Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:38:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May23.13382.0> Precedence: bulk Here is another site to visit. It's down near the Potomac River in Old Town Alexandria. http://torpedofactory.org/media/glass.htm KSee "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home" Twyla Tharp ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 19:46:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pdq.net!creativeco From: Creativeco To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: strength of lead versus copper foil Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:56:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May23.155627.0> Precedence: bulk I'm lurking and learning, but have a question for the group... I recently completed a class in copper foil, and will be taking a class in lead technique in about a month. My interest is in big stuff...like doors and windows. I have heard there are ways to strengthen copper foil for use in doors. So, assuming (and if I'm wrong here, please let me know) that copper foil and lead are each strong enough for large "bounce around" applications like doors, is it personal preference that dictates which technique to use? Do you use lead if you have a lot of straight lines, and foil if you have a lot of tight curves or small pieces? When selecting a pattern, are there any things that just can't be done with lead (i.e. circles or nuggets). I'm ready to start thinking about my pattern for the lead class, so any information would be very much appreciated. Margo in Texas ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 23 21:16:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Shari Higbee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: picture of a phoenix Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:19:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May27.13193.0> References: <<1999May23.63638.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Elizabeth, this is kind of an odd suggestion..but i have noticed an incredible amount of flames, birds, etc etc on some of the tattoo websitse I visit. I know of a woman who has a website documenting her progress of getting a gargantuan phoenix tattoed over her entire body. Of course it is wrapped around her arms and legs and all and not spread out the way a glass panel would be...but it could be an idea source. I can get the URL if you are interested. I have long noticed a similiarity of theme and design between tattoo flash and a lot of stained glass patterns. Of course you would have to adapt a line drawing for the lead or foil lines but for a pro I am sure that is no big deal. Just another source for artwork. I would also doublecheck on any copywrite stuff but once again, I think if you change it enough from the original that it is an "inspiration" and not an exact carbon copy that should be no problem. Hope this is helpful. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 07:17:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Mon May 24 06:52:51 1999 Message-ID: <1999May25.43051.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks good deal on the nuggets...also, fyi (and to plug myself)---nuggets from me are around $2.25 per pound, you pick the color (plus shipping of course) debbie debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 8:26 AM Subject: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place >The other day I went to "Bed, Bath & Beyond" (a big linens & housewares >store, for those of you who aren't familiar with it) to pick up a set of >sheets, and (as usual) was browsing around the store, and found a couple of >bargains: bags of 50 tea light candles for $4.99, and 2-pound bags of >medium-sized glass nuggets for $3.99. > >Not a whole lot of color selection in the nuggets - clear, black opaque, >champagne pink, and several blues and blue-greens - but the price was too >good to pass up. I picked up a bag of clear and a bag of iridescent blue. >Now, to figure out what to do with them........ > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 08:19:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:37:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May24.43718.0> Precedence: bulk Well, I am depressed now. I have a morning to kill, and I am taking a temporary break from glass. (no pun intended) So I was pokin' around on the internet and I decided to hit ebay. I typed in STAINED GLASS. Don't do it. Very depressing. I've just seen several Tiffany reproduction lampshades complete with lampbases going for between $95.00 and $135.00. Of course, I know that ebay isn't the best place to market you wares... but it was depressing to me to think of the person who put so much time, energy and money into the project, and selling it for $135.00. I'm sure the 5' floor lampbase cost her/him that much in the first place. Man. With all this talk about 60 year apprenticeships (ok... exaggerated, but only a bit), and seeing beautiful shades going for pennies on the dollar, I'm beginning to rethink the whole concept of doing glass for money. I'd hate to lose the joy of creating something beautiful, by watching it drain my energy and my pocket book. Hmmm... perhaps I should go back to bed, huh? Or maybe I should just stay the heck off of ebay. Ok. Enough public moaning. Back to your regularly scheduled bungi. Blake >:-| ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 09:21:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:26:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May24.12622.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990523111437.006a987c@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk Dear Steve, Tiffany made "pebble lamps" using globs of Favrile Glass. A friend of mine makes small versions of these same type of lamp shades using the various glass globs she buys in Pier 1 Imports, Cost Plus, and the Bed&Bath places. She uses the 7" Worden lamp molds. She sells them at her craft store booth, and also puts them on consignment in the local antique stores. I also saw a recent article in the SGAA journal with photos, of a new glass artist that has made some large globes and a couple of columns from the clear globs of various sizes. Her work has made it to the galleries! I hope this helps in the idea department! Regards, Cheryl Ryder. Steve Wernecke wrote: > At 07:52 AM 5/23/99 EDT, Sparks wrote: > >The other day I went to "Bed, Bath & Beyond" (a big linens & housewares > >store, for those of you who aren't familiar with it) to pick up a set of > >sheets, and (as usual) was browsing around the store, and found a couple of > >bargains: bags of 50 tea light candles for $4.99, and 2-pound bags of > >medium-sized glass nuggets for $3.99. > > > >Not a whole lot of color selection in the nuggets - clear, black opaque, > >champagne pink, and several blues and blue-greens - but the price was too > >good to pass up. I picked up a bag of clear and a bag of iridescent blue. > >Now, to figure out what to do with them........ > > > > Sounds to me like you've just become front-runner in that nugget lamp contest! > > Steve > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 09:41:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:39:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gbe.com!Laura.Dawson From: "Laura L Dawson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:44:22 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I would be willing to bet that the lamps you're talking about are imports = and whoever buys them will be sorry. They're not made to last. >>> "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" 05/24 9:37 AM >>> Well, I am depressed now. I have a morning to kill, and I am taking a temporary break from glass. = (no pun intended) So I was pokin' around on the internet and I decided to hit ebay. I typed in STAINED GLASS. Don't do it. Very depressing. I've just seen several Tiffany reproduction= lampshades complete with lampbases going for between $95.00 and $135.00. Of course, I know that ebay isn't the best place to market you wares... = but it was depressing to me to think of the person who put so much time, = energy and money into the project, and selling it for $135.00. I'm sure the 5' floor lampbase cost her/him that much in the first place. Man. With all this talk about 60 year apprenticeships (ok... exaggerated, but only a bit), and seeing beautiful shades going for pennies on the dollar, I'm beginning to rethink the whole concept of doing glass for = money. I'd hate to lose the joy of creating something beautiful, by watching it drain my energy and my pocket book. Hmmm... perhaps I should go back to bed, huh? Or maybe I should just = stay the heck off of ebay. Ok. Enough public moaning. Back to your regularly scheduled bungi. Blake >:-| ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com=20 To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com=20 Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 09:51:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" , Subject: Re: Apprenticeship Questions Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:23:13 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May25.112313.0> References: <<199905231916.PAA18235@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Albert, from the other side of the fence....:-) >What they've inevitably ended up with are >prima donnas who want to design (nevermind they can't draw, have no >art background, couldn't engineer a paper bag that'd stand up, etc.), >who're constantly saying, "Well, *my teacher at Pane in the Glass >told me to do it *that way!" and generally being too proud or too >all-knowing about everything that they've inevitably left before >long, usually long before the apprenticeship was complete. The >would-be apprentice is disappointed. The head of the studio is >disappointed. Nobody's happy. I certainly understand the fear an employer would have over this, but I suggest: Any employer worth his salt should be able to plan interview questions, over a few meetings and "getting to know you"s, I would suggest, so they get an idea what the potential employee is hoping for in regard to the future. Also, (in Australia - I don't know about anywhere else) a trainee/apprenticeship is "on probation" for 3-6 months, during which time either employer or employee can terminate the contract at will, if it's not working out. I also have to disagree that a trainee would ideally have no experience. Of course the trainer doesn't want to spend time "retraining" or battling it out about techniques etc, but again, an employer should be able to "suss out" the applicant who is inflexible, or dogged about the way they were taught - well before they sign the person up. I have seen too many people begin an apprenticeship, a college degree, a new job, thinking "this is it - this sounds like exactly my thing" only to drop out or quit after they get a taste of what the work is really about. Waste of time and money for the employer - and employee. To use myself as an example, yes, I have some experience, but if I didn't KNOW that I wasn't yet competent, then why would I apply for an apprenticeship? Yes, I want to design (and yes, I've a long art background) but I am NOT joining a studio to take over their design department. I save my Prima Donna stuff for at home, with the cats! I'm there to learn and learn and learn from someone I know knows more than me, and eventually I want to be an integral part of what they do - not only because I can cut straight! When employer and I agree that I have reached a certain level of skill, yes, I am going to want to contribute more to the studio than fundamentals, and if they have no place for that, yes, I will go out on my own, or to another studio who will allow me to grow in other areas. I'd hate to hear that someone turned down one of my applications for a traineeship for any of the reasons listed above, without giving me the chance to present myself. Those Prima Donna's might exist, but I -(that's one!) am not one of them! As far as this topic goes, I have seen many apprentices finish their time, to be laid off the minute they reach full pay. Let's not only generalise the *employee* here! Being used is being used, and it's not nice from either direction. I didn't mean this to be so defensive! All I'm sayin' is.... "give us a chance!" Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 09:57:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: re: Apprenticeship Info Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:44:39 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May25.114439.0> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk hi folks, I've had a few inquiries into the outline for that Stained Glass Traineeship/Apprenticeship I mentioned - does anyone else want one? Files are PDF format (Acrobat Reader) - choose one or both (they're kind of large) 1) Certificate II in Furnishing (Leadlighting and Stained Glass) - one year traineeship 2) Certificate IV in Furnishing (Glass & Glazing) - four year apprenticeship, touches on stained glass just mail me if you want a copy of either. Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 10:10:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:55:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: strength of lead versus copper foil Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:53:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May24.75327.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Creativeco >So, assuming (and if I'm wrong here, please let me know) that copper foil and lead are each strong enough for large "bounce around" applications like doors, is it personal preference that dictates which technique to use? Do you use lead if you have a lot of straight lines, and foil if you have a lot of tight curves or small pieces? When selecting a pattern, are there any things that just can't be done with lead (i.e. circles or nuggets).< Here's my own $.02 worth.... If the piece is going to be external (i.e. direct exposure to the elements), go with lead. Lead can take the rain, snow, etc. and is better at accomodating extreme changes in temperature contraction/expansion rates. Copper foil is too tight a fit and might not expand/contract sufficiently to prevent glass cracking. If the piece has tiny pieces and/or extreme curves, use copper foil. It'= s a better fit for those types of patterns. I've used both lead and copper= foil for larger doors and windows. One word of advice - research your reinforcement options first before designing the window/door. Know the structural details of how the window/door will work first. That will help dictate its desig= n and construction. Also, I now use lead framing on large window/door constructions. Why? Easier to trim up/down at installation time! I used to use zinc, b= ut have been converted to framing in lead, even for my copper foil panels. Unless, of course, they are being framed in wood. Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo Art Glass Ensembles & Ensemble Pro Musica 254 S. 9th St., North Wales, PA 19454-2914 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 10:29:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" , "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May24.83010.0> Precedence: bulk How much you wanna bet...the lamps are foriegn made? Don't despair....that cheap glass market already out there. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Blake, Wayne, & Susan To: Bungi Group Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:57 AM Subject: NG great... bum everybody out! >Well, I am depressed now. >I have a morning to kill, and I am taking a temporary break from glass. (no >pun intended) So I was pokin' around on the internet and I decided to hit >ebay. I typed in STAINED GLASS. > >Don't do it. Very depressing. I've just seen several Tiffany reproduction >lampshades complete with lampbases going for between $95.00 and $135.00. >Of course, I know that ebay isn't the best place to market you wares... but >it was depressing to me to think of the person who put so much time, energy >and money into the project, and selling it for $135.00. I'm sure the 5' >floor lampbase cost her/him that much in the first place. > >Man. With all this talk about 60 year apprenticeships (ok... exaggerated, >but only a bit), and seeing beautiful shades going for pennies on the >dollar, I'm beginning to rethink the whole concept of doing glass for money. >I'd hate to lose the joy of creating something beautiful, by watching it >drain my energy and my pocket book. > >Hmmm... perhaps I should go back to bed, huh? Or maybe I should just stay >the heck off of ebay. > >Ok. Enough public moaning. > >Back to your regularly scheduled bungi. > >Blake >>:-| > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 10:47:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "ktsplash" Subject: Re: Apprenticeship Questions Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:19:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199905241618.MAA03451@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Hi, Katie. Of course, you're right in what you say about this topic. (There are several "right" attitudes here.) I should have said in a nutshell that owners of studios who have apprenticeship programs are looking for serious people who want to learn to work with glass in the "right" way ... and there are several "right" ways there, too ... but the owner's right way is the right way for the apprentice. I was also not speaking of churlish types who use apprenticeships as cheap labor pools, but those who are seriously on the lookout for people who want to become excellent craftspeople, who have the dedication and committment over the long haul, who want to make a career of the craft. They do have probationary periods (I forgot about that) and they're generally six months. But you use the term contract ... and that's exactly what's entailed: this is a serious career move for the apprentice and a serious committment from the studio head, as well. So those of you who are looking for apprenticeship positions, they are to be found. Definitely ask for references from the studio. Speak to former apprentices, those who are still with the studio and those who moved on elsewhere after a few years. Plan to move house and home to take the job ('cause that's what it is) or, if you have to wait a year or two for a spot to open up, check in with the studio head once a month or so to let him/her know that you're still around and still interested. If you're serious about this, it'll pay off in the long run. Albert > Albert, from the other side of the fence....:-) > > >What they've inevitably ended up with are > >prima donnas who want to design (nevermind they can't draw, have no > >art background, couldn't engineer a paper bag that'd stand up, > >etc.), who're constantly saying, "Well, *my teacher at Pane in the > >Glass told me to do it *that way!" and generally being too proud or > >too all-knowing about everything that they've inevitably left > >before long, usually long before the apprenticeship was complete. > >The would-be apprentice is disappointed. The head of the studio is > >disappointed. Nobody's happy. > > > I certainly understand the fear an employer would have over this, > but I > suggest: > Any employer worth his salt should be able > to plan interview questions, over a few meetings and "getting to > know you"s, I would suggest, so they get an idea what the potential > employee is hoping for in regard to the future. > > Also, (in Australia - I don't know about anywhere else) a > trainee/apprenticeship is "on probation" for 3-6 months, > during which time either employer or employee can terminate the > contract at will, if it's not working out. > > I also have to disagree that a trainee would ideally have no > experience. Of course the trainer doesn't want to spend time > "retraining" or battling it out about techniques etc, but again, an > employer should be able to "suss out" the applicant who is > inflexible, or dogged about the way they were taught - well before > they sign the person up. I have seen too many people begin an > apprenticeship, a college degree, a new job, thinking "this is it - > this sounds like exactly my thing" only to drop out or quit after > they get a taste of what the work is really about. Waste of time and > money for the employer - and employee. > > To use myself as an example, yes, I have some experience, but if I > didn't KNOW that I wasn't yet competent, then why would I apply for > an apprenticeship? Yes, I want to design (and yes, I've a long art > background) but I am NOT joining a studio to take over their design > department. I save my Prima Donna stuff for at home, with the cats! > I'm there to learn and learn and learn from someone I know knows > more than me, and eventually I want to be an integral part of what > they do - not only because I can cut straight! When employer and I > agree that I have reached a certain level of skill, yes, I am going > to want to contribute more to the studio than fundamentals, and if > they have no place for that, yes, I will go out on my own, or to > another studio who will allow me to grow in other areas. > > I'd hate to hear that someone turned down one of my applications for > a traineeship for any of the reasons listed above, without giving me > the chance to present myself. Those Prima Donna's might exist, but I > -(that's one!) am not one of them! > > As far as this topic goes, I have seen many apprentices finish their > time, to be laid off the minute they reach full pay. Let's not only > generalise the *employee* here! Being used is being used, and it's > not nice from either direction. > > I didn't mean this to be so defensive! All I'm sayin' is.... "give > us a chance!" > > Katie > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 10:53:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:31:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990524093142.006a1824@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999May24.43718.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:37 AM 5/24/99 -0500, Blake wrote: >Well, I am depressed now. >I have a morning to kill, and I am taking a temporary break from glass. (no >pun intended) So I was pokin' around on the internet and I decided to hit >ebay. I typed in STAINED GLASS. > >Don't do it. Very depressing. I've just seen several Tiffany reproduction >lampshades complete with lampbases going for between $95.00 and $135.00. >Of course, I know that ebay isn't the best place to market you wares... but >it was depressing to me to think of the person who put so much time, energy >and money into the project, and selling it for $135.00. I'm sure the 5' >floor lampbase cost her/him that much in the first place. > >Man. With all this talk about 60 year apprenticeships (ok... exaggerated, >but only a bit), and seeing beautiful shades going for pennies on the >dollar, I'm beginning to rethink the whole concept of doing glass for money. >I'd hate to lose the joy of creating something beautiful, by watching it >drain my energy and my pocket book. > >Hmmm... perhaps I should go back to bed, huh? Or maybe I should just stay >the heck off of ebay. > My wife hangs out around the quilting section of eBay (as a bidder only) and has the same report about prices there. Work representing a large number of hours gets sold for much less than its true value. On the other hand, she's said recently that the most popular sellers have started to raise their reserves. Maybe once you get a name there, you can command a bit more. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 11:08:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:22:15 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199905241725.MAA21672@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Blake-- I, too, occasionally cruise eBay but (with the possible exception of the dragonfly floor lamp) can't agree that the stained glass offerings are depressing. The "mission-style" lamps are pretty simple (not many pieces) and it's hard to tell from the photos how well made they are, but it looks like the one has only tinned copper foil along the bottom edge. The other lamps look like imports (cheap, boring glass, uninspired patterns). The suncatchers are kinda funny. Bought from the "Tiffany Stained Glass Club." Hmmm. Pretty mediocre workmanship, but at least the beginning prices aren't unreasonable. It will be interesting to see if they sell. If so, I would find it encouraging rather than depressing. And look at the English windows! Small, simple patterns, in cruddy (but original) wood frames--and people will bid $125 (plus $20 shipping)? Maybe I don't fully appreciate the fact that they're old and imported. And although I'd pay a lot more for an old window, I'd expect considerably more in terms of design, number of pieces and color. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 11:51:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:36:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May24.93516.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Blake, I know how you feel. I went by WalMart this morning and just happened to see the SG lamps. They had a rooster that was $20. I didn't stop to count pieces, but I'd guess 75-100. The turtle was $15. Yes, I'm sure they're imports an not well made, but it makes me sad that people buy that and think they own a nice piece of stained glass and then don't understand why a nice sun catcher costs $20. Come to think of it. Going back to bed is a good idea. I've been way too short on sleep this past week. Jerri > Well, I am depressed now. > I have a morning to kill, and I am taking a temporary break from glass. (no > pun intended) So I was pokin' around on the internet and I decided to hit > ebay. I typed in STAINED GLASS. > > Don't do it. Very depressing. I've just seen several Tiffany reproduction > lampshades complete with lampbases going for between $95.00 and $135.00. > Of course, I know that ebay isn't the best place to market you wares... but > it was depressing to me to think of the person who put so much time, energy > and money into the project, and selling it for $135.00. I'm sure the 5' > floor lampbase cost her/him that much in the first place. > > Man. With all this talk about 60 year apprenticeships (ok... exaggerated, > but only a bit), and seeing beautiful shades going for pennies on the > dollar, I'm beginning to rethink the whole concept of doing glass for money. > I'd hate to lose the joy of creating something beautiful, by watching it > drain my energy and my pocket book. > > Hmmm... perhaps I should go back to bed, huh? Or maybe I should just stay > the heck off of ebay. > > Ok. Enough public moaning. > > Back to your regularly scheduled bungi. > > Blake > >:-| > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 12:10:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" , Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:07:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May24.1076.0> Precedence: bulk Blake, Somehow I don't see that something for $135.00 (tiffany style shade) can in any way compare to a lampshade made by a true craftsman/artisan/artist. No way. And who knows, maybe the person drove over to Mexico bought a few shades and came back and is selling them. I sure would not put all that time and effort into a shade and sell it for such a low price. The person had to be doing this to make money and you and I know we could not make a dime doing a shade and selling for that price, so there is a part to the puzzle we don't know. I agree, stay away from e-bay, don't go back to bed, but keep on doing your good work and don't even give that stuff a second thought. Apples and Oranges!!!! Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Blake, Wayne, & Susan To: Bungi Group Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:43 AM Subject: NG great... bum everybody out! >Well, I am depressed now. >I have a morning to kill, and I am taking a temporary break from glass. (no >pun intended) So I was pokin' around on the internet and I decided to hit >ebay. I typed in STAINED GLASS. > >Don't do it. Very depressing. I've just seen several Tiffany reproduction >lampshades complete with lampbases going for between $95.00 and $135.00. >Of course, I know that ebay isn't the best place to market you wares... but >it was depressing to me to think of the person who put so much time, energy >and money into the project, and selling it for $135.00. I'm sure the 5' >floor lampbase cost her/him that much in the first place. > >Man. With all this talk about 60 year apprenticeships (ok... exaggerated, >but only a bit), and seeing beautiful shades going for pennies on the >dollar, I'm beginning to rethink the whole concept of doing glass for money. >I'd hate to lose the joy of creating something beautiful, by watching it >drain my energy and my pocket book. > >Hmmm... perhaps I should go back to bed, huh? Or maybe I should just stay >the heck off of ebay. > >Ok. Enough public moaning. > >Back to your regularly scheduled bungi. > >Blake >>:-| > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 12:20:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: picture of a phoenix Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:49:21 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990524114921.009987f0@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk there's lots of places here that do so. for instance, the phoenix airport and the transit system both use this for their logos. the airport has a stained glass phoenix, approx 3x3 meters on the concourse. regards, charlie phoenix, az >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:36:38 -0600 >Subject: picture of a phoenix >Sender: shigbee@stmassociates.com >From: shigbee@stmassociates.com >To: glass@bungi.com > >The University of Phoenix in the U.S. uses a modernistic form of the phoenix >as their logo. view it at www.universityofphoenix.com > >Shari > >-----Original Message----- >From: Toby >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 12:58 PM >Subject: Request from Elisabeth 'n Toby > > >> >> >>Hi All, >> >>I don't often ask for help with designs. >>Well.... I have just got what I hope is only a 24-hour cold bug; >>I got on very well at the College and am being asked to produce a >>half circular panel of Phoenix rising out of the ashes. About 15 >>sq.ft worth..... >>Can you help me in finding designs of phoenix please. I know the >>briefest of outlines of the Greek mythology. phoenix the bird who was >>the only one of its kind; lived for 500 - 600 years, burnt to death >>on its own funeral pire and rose up again from the ashes, having >>found eternal youth. >>It's to commemorate a Mr. Phoenix. Tell you more later..... >>And what colours was a phoenix bird supposed to be??? >>Where can I find good ideas for fire and flame-shapes?? >> >>I have 25 days to think up and produce some "rough sketches"..... >> >>My second request is for "do-able" Celtic letters "S" and "P", about >>14 inches by 14 - 18" inches high..... (to be incorporated in a 20 >>inch wide by 7 feet tall panel - top and bottom) >> >>Thank you all. -- Charles Spitzer Stratus Computer, Inc Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 14:43:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: strength of lead versus copper foil Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:00:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May24.7049.0> Precedence: bulk Lead versus foil for large panels has been a very hot topic of discussion in the past. I would suggest looking in the Bungi archives for the full arguments on both sides. I personally use foil for most of my work with lead on the outside framing edge and as a design element. I feel it is a matter of personal preference though I know many on this list disagree with me. It is argued that lead with proper cementing techniques is more flexible and will absorb stresses better over time. While admitting that copper foil panels are somewhat more rigid, I argue that concern over stresses is better addressed with proper overall panel design and framing techniques. It is additionally argued that properly cemented lead has better weather resistance. I feel that the newer contact adhesives used in modern copper foil seal the window from leaking at least as well. My own experiments indicate very little difference on a new panel even with such extreme leakage conditions as a pool of water sitting on top of a horizontal panel (something I do not think you would ever want to design in reality anyway). Accelerated weathering tests on these adhesives by the manufacturers indicate a lifetime comparable to most lead cementing formulas. And I must stress this comparison is for a well cemented lead window. A poorly cemented lead window will leak much worse than a poorly copper foiled one. I agree with most of what Christie said in her previous answer to you. However, I must argue with the statement about temperature changes and expansion and contraction of the panel itself. During the last discussion of this I looked up the coefficients of expansion involved and ran through all the math. Within any environmental temperature range normally occurring on Earth from full sun in the hottest desert to coldest winter at the poles, the expansion and contraction of glass is too small to consider. Additionally, the coefficients of expansion of lead versus soldered copper foil are too close to each other to matter in any comparison of the two. In all cases, the expansion and contraction of any framing material you use (moisture changes in wood, temperature of a metal frame, etc.), overrides anything in the panel itself by a factor of hundreds. Therefore, you need to concern yourself more with proper framing techniques to absorb stresses caused by the environment, building shifting, door banging, etc. See the construction notes for my Vine Maple Door on my IGGA sponsored web site http://igga.org/atwood/ (click on the oval window to move to the next picture and text which is the door), for some idea of what should be considered when designing a wood framed glass door. The overall design of a large panel is always important whether or not you are using cemented lead came or foil for construction. If you have a line or series of lines which will focus any stress into the middle of an unbroken piece of glass, I can guarantee that piece of glass will crack. The same is true of "L" shaped pieces of glass which essentially do the same thing - all the stress is focused into the angle of the "L". You should take time and look at any old stained glass windows you possibly can. Look for cracked, missing or repaired glass. It is usually fairly obvious why the piece cracked and you will know what to avoid in the future. There have also been several good discussion on reinforcing a large panel on Bungi in the past. Once again look in the archives at the URL listed below. I am sorry, but I am running over my Bungi list time allotment and I need to get out and work on glass instead of mucking around with the computer. I would love to type more but I don't get paid for it. I say this as I am working on what should be a Canadian holiday Monday - Victoria Day. Oh, the joys of being self employed! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 15:06:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:19:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:17:57 EDT Message-ID: <1999May24.211757.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/24/99 12:23:14 PM, meryder@pacbell.net writes: >I also saw a recent article in the SGAA journal with photos, of a new glass >artist that has made some large globes and a couple of columns from the >clear globs of various sizes. I saw that. I liked the work (and was particularly amused by the big egg with all the sperm swimming on it), but I could have done without the "Vanna Wanna-be" showing it off. If they thought they needed a person standing next to the pieces to show their size, why not the artist herself? Or if the artist didn't want to be photographed, why not photograph the work in a gallery setting and let the room set the scale? Sparks not ordinarily afflicted with "political correctness," but this particular spread struck me as tacky and not up to the magazine's usual artistic production standards ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 16:48:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:19:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass-related bargains in an unexpected place Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:17:57 EDT Message-ID: <1999May24.211757.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/24/99 12:23:14 PM, meryder@pacbell.net writes: >I also saw a recent article in the SGAA journal with photos, of a new glass >artist that has made some large globes and a couple of columns from the >clear globs of various sizes. I saw that. I liked the work (and was particularly amused by the big egg with all the sperm swimming on it), but I could have done without the "Vanna Wanna-be" showing it off. If they thought they needed a person standing next to the pieces to show their size, why not the artist herself? Or if the artist didn't want to be photographed, why not photograph the work in a gallery setting and let the room set the scale? Sparks not ordinarily afflicted with "political correctness," but this particular spread struck me as tacky and not up to the magazine's usual artistic production standards ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 17:14:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: paonline.com!cappel From: Charles Appel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:28:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May24.132843.0> Organization: Appels' Way Precedence: bulk please add my name to your mail list -- Thank You, Charles H. Appel Appels' Way Farm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 17:15:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: capecod.net!glasswork From: "csamuell" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May12.203548.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE9CD8.8C059E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Complete line of Bullseye thin fusible and Bullseye rod at Glass = Workshop, 4039 Rt 6A po box 441, Cummaquid (Barnstable), MA 02637. = Phone (508)363-0175, FAX(508) 362-1581, email c_samuell@hotmail.com. = No more complaining about not being able to get fusing or beadmaking = supplies. 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE9CD8.8C059E40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 17:29:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:29:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: portjeff.net!dddoc844 From: Rene Laureyns To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: [Fwd: JOHN KELLER] Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:36:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May24.153632.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FE8C103A0FB425554649D607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------FE8C103A0FB425554649D607 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from post.cis.smu.edu [129.119.64.23] by portjeff.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A34ADC0268; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:42:02 EDT Received: by post.cis.smu.edu (Smail-3.2.0.96 1997-Jun-2 #26) id ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:42:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: gshultz@post.smu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37495848.6F70BE38@portjeff.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:43:06 -0500 To: Rene Laureyns From: Gary Shultz Subject: Re: JOHN KELLER X-RCPT-TO: X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Sorry to say I cannot help you. I do not know who John Keller was. You might send your question to glass@bungi.com. This is the listserv for stained glass artists, and they are a very knowledgeable group. -Gary >WE HAVE SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL STAINED GLASS WINDOWS I >HAVE EVER SEEN. IN THE CHAPEL OF ST. CHARLES HOSPITAL IN PORT >JEFFERSON,LONG ISLAND. DO YOU KNOW ANY THING ABOUT JOHN >KELLER OF BROOKLYN? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ Gary Shultz - gshultz@mail.smu.edu ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ Doodler, Tinkerer & General Problem Solver ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ You should feel passionately about something. ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --------------FE8C103A0FB425554649D607-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 17:30:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: portjeff.net!dddoc844 From: Rene Laureyns To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: [Fwd: JOHN KELLER] Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May24.153812.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5C2E70E36BF1D85CEA177997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know anything about John Keller of Brooklyn? --------------5C2E70E36BF1D85CEA177997 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from post.cis.smu.edu [129.119.64.23] by portjeff.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A34ADC0268; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:42:02 EDT Received: by post.cis.smu.edu (Smail-3.2.0.96 1997-Jun-2 #26) id ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:42:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: gshultz@post.smu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37495848.6F70BE38@portjeff.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:43:06 -0500 To: Rene Laureyns From: Gary Shultz Subject: Re: JOHN KELLER X-RCPT-TO: X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Sorry to say I cannot help you. I do not know who John Keller was. You might send your question to glass@bungi.com. This is the listserv for stained glass artists, and they are a very knowledgeable group. -Gary >WE HAVE SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL STAINED GLASS WINDOWS I >HAVE EVER SEEN. IN THE CHAPEL OF ST. CHARLES HOSPITAL IN PORT >JEFFERSON,LONG ISLAND. DO YOU KNOW ANY THING ABOUT JOHN >KELLER OF BROOKLYN? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ Gary Shultz - gshultz@mail.smu.edu ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ Doodler, Tinkerer & General Problem Solver ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ You should feel passionately about something. ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --------------5C2E70E36BF1D85CEA177997-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 17:45:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Artglass From: Artglass@webtv.net (Glass Tat-2) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Want 2 learn a new technique in Hot glass??? Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May24.93531.0> Precedence: bulk Get with it ....move up to ...Hot Glass... Take a class in .....Hot glass marble / paperweight making!!!! Coming in mid June in Ventura ,CA. If you are interested..... It is a 2day workshop for $385......contact us at this e-mail or call 805-65-TATTOO Contact by e-mail and save $15.00 and get a Free photo of your first piece ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 18:46:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May24.142546.0> References: <<1999May24.43718.0>> Precedence: bulk Blake. What you see isnt always *everything* that is happening. I currently have several things on ebay. Not one bid on any of them.... :o) HOWEVER, I have gotten several emails today. One from a woman wanting custom work, and another wanting to order in quantity for her giftshop. Can you say YEEEEEEHAAAAA COWBOY!!!! ? :o) Now that hasnt happened everytime..but it beats he H*ll out of cold calling retailers like I have done before! :o) Also, although there are alot of us who attempt to sell the occaisional suncatcher etc...that we made on ebay. There are more that are selling panels...way cheaper than we would ever consider. They didnt make them..they purchased them in bulk in auctions elsewhere etc... Ive gotten some books for next to nothing that way...from someone who bought a box full of stuff at an auction. They also got a few suncatchers that way and sold them for alot less than they would have if they had made them...but *they* still made a profit. Makes it harder for us...but that's life. Right? BTW. I got that information you asked for, and lost it. :o( sorry. I'll get it again..and get it to you, I promise. Then you gotta stop here and have that beer or glass of wine with me, on your way! T Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 19:10:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:30:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: tinning wire Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May24.12502.0> Precedence: bulk For as little wire as I use, I just buy the pre-tinned. It is the old time vs money issue. cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 19:32:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:33:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: How to hang? Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:54:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May24.125431.0> Precedence: bulk I need to hang a very heavy piece (not large, but definitely heavier than average) with a 1/2" zinc frame. Suggestions? Also, I am going to be in San Diego for Memorial Day weekend visiting my father in El Cajon, and my brother in Coronado. I thought I remembered someone on bungi who owns a business near there? thanks claudette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 20:10:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:01:58 EDT Message-ID: <1999May25.1158.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/24/99 3:34:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, andor@ilnk.com writes: > And who knows, maybe the person drove over to Mexico bought a few > shades and came back and is selling them. Hey, that's what my bud in San Diego planned on doing, not sure if he did it or not. I never imagined ebay represented normal prices........and on another subject, where is that woman getting the endless supply of "old English windows" to sell on ebay? My bathroom renovators (I think they prefer artists) were appalled at my excitement over the old peeling double hung windows I snagged before they tossed them. I just want to see how hard it is to replace the clear glass with something leaded. My plan is to hang them outside from a tree when they are completed. Take care all, IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 20:21:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Gloyn From: Gloyn@aol.com To: gecko@ipa.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:24:38 EDT Message-ID: <1999May25.12438.0> Precedence: bulk I agree with you it's not wise to search stained glass on ebay, it is verrrrrrrry depressing, and yet there is always so much on there, surely they can't be making any money at it? It does make you think long and hard about your ability to make money with your glass which is exactly what I'm trying to figure out at present before giving up my day job! Gwyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 20:27:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: "Dave & Lynn Loda" To: "Glass Tat-2" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Want 2 learn a new technique in Hot glass??? Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:43:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May24.114343.0> References: <<1999May24.93531.0>> Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk What's with the spam? ----- Original Message ----- From: Glass Tat-2 To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 4:35 PM Subject: Want 2 learn a new technique in Hot glass??? > Get with it ....move up to ...Hot Glass... > Take a class in .....Hot glass marble / paperweight making!!!! Coming > in mid June in Ventura ,CA. > If you are interested..... It is a 2day workshop > for $385......contact us at this e-mail or call > 805-65-TATTOO Contact by e-mail and save $15.00 and get a Free photo > of your first piece > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 24 22:51:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Request Help on Copper Foil Repair Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:14:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May24.151441.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Well I just had a final finishing touch to a real hard day. Head has been out of whack all day, sweating, forgot to eat, hurt my leg helping move stuff at church, and just heat broke the lid on the Rabbi's butterfly box. The box was finished, was putting the butterfly on the top, and a crack tinked through the entire top of the heart lid, it runs out in plain view, so there is no putting a copper patch over it. Lid is constructed thus: A heart shaped piece of glass, a row of 1/2" squares soldered onto the bottom edge of the heart, the butterfly is soldered to two 10 gauge twisted wire running top to bottom, it is all done in copper foil and all finished soldered with nice round beads, now with a nice large heat crack running from the top of the V, to the bottom of the V and off to the left side. I have never had a repair to do, if something broke before, I just threw it out, and started over. I have over four days into this, and the lid is at least 2 1/2 of those. Could someone tell me how I might repair this, and how do I do it, without ending up with more heat cracks from trying to get the solder joints to let loose. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 03:51:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: too much, too big, no way Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:11:45 +1000 Message-ID: <1999May26.61145.0> Organization: Kariva Splash Precedence: bulk Just wanted to apologise to those people I sent large PDF files to (Rick, Steve, Elizabeth) didn't realise they'd be so large (I know I know I should have checked.) Hope I didn't cause too many probs with people's servers. If anyone else needs the info on these stained glass traineeships/apprenticeships: I thought it might be a better idea for you to download them straight from the site First,If you don't have Acrobat reader, you can download (free) from http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html Then: http://www.dtir.qld.gov.au/vetinfo/trb/glassglz/glassglz.pdf will load up the four year apprenticeship in glass and glazing in Acrobat reader http://www.dtir.qld.gov.au/vetinfo/trb/lead&sgl/lead&sgl.pdf loads up the one year traineeship in leadlight and stained glass If you want to just download them without reading them first http://www.dtir.qld.gov.au/perl/search.pl type CNLMF022 for the one year traineeship, in the search bar, result number four is the one you're after (>save target as...) or select "All of the words" "glass glazing" for the four year traineeship, result number one is what you're after (>save target as...) Katie Katie Walters ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 06:19:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 05:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Want 2 learn a new technique in Hot glass??? Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:11:54 EDT Message-ID: <1999May25.121154.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/24/99 11:28:11 PM, dandl@crcwnet.com writes: >What's with the spam? Reconstituted powdered eggs, maybe? :-\ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 06:51:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Request Help on Copper Foil Repair Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:13:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May25.51343.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bud Britt" >Could someone tell me how I might repair this, and how do I do it, witho= ut ending up with more heat cracks from trying to get the solder joints to l= et loose.< First, make a tracing of the broken piece while it is still in its position. This paper tracing becomes your pattern. Now, score more lines onto the broken piece, and use the ball end of your cutter to tap out all glass from the = broken piece, leaving a hole in your box where the broken piece was. You will probably have to use needle-nose pliers to grab some of the glass fragments and pull them out. You need to get all glass fragments out. You will need to unsolder the broken piece. Thoroghly flux solder lines, front & back. Carefully angle the piece so that molten solder will drip safely off the piece and not onto anything else. You're going to have to separate out the copper foil which originally was on the broken piece. Use those needle-nose pliers again to gently pull the foil away as you unsolder. I find it works best if you can get the soldering iron inbetween the two foil pieces, and unsolder letting gravity help move the old solder away. Frequently clean the tip of your iron, as it will get cruddy pretty fast. Once the foil has been removed, run the hot iron around the perimeter of the hole to remove any extra solder still clinging to the other foil. Now cut out the replacement piece, using the paper pattern you made from the tracing. Grind it to shape so that it fits inside the hole. Foil. Make sure it is flat to the same plane as the rest of the piece. Then resolder. Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo Art Glass Ensembles & Ensemble Pro Musica 254 S. 9th St., North Wales, PA 19454-2914 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 07:08:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 06:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass worms Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:30:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May25.13033.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! I was surfing the s.g. crapola on ebay (ecch - you're right!) and I found this... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=108449012 What on EARTH are 'stained glass worms'? The following pages were not just "worms" but "stained glass worms with gravel". Am I just out in left field here or is this really wierd? : ) Dawn Barker "Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings; they did it by killing all those who opposed them." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 09:20:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Cooling large hobby glass Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:30:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May25.13019.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I am not sure I want to get into trying to repair that lid. To do so, I would need to remove the butterfly body, then remove the wings, then remove the twisted wire wing supports (the wings are in a flight position), then remove the soldered copper foil base for the twisted wire supports (this is where I think, and they say the heat buildup came from), and then I can start doing the desoldering of the broken piece. For those who wish to get some idea, the box bottom is 10.5"w by 7.5"d Heart shaped, by 3.5" high. The lid is same width and depth, with a .5 " lip of .5" squares of glass, and then a 12.7"w by 7.9"d butterfly mounted on top of that. I originally was going to charge $265.00 for this box, and that was mainly because it was a friend of Mom's. With this crack, (for those who will ask where is the crack, the crack is below the main soldered foil support pad on the lid, it runs straight through the center of the heart, and at the bottom point, it veers to the left a little), what would be a chargeable price for a piece damaged in this way, or should it be sold for material cost??? Oh, How do you keep your glass cool, so that when you are soldering large items like this together, that the glass does not develop these heat cracks???? Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 10:22:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: moretti or other glass rods? Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:05:11 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990525090511.009d06b0@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk i'm trying to find a url that contains pictures for clear encased moretti rods for a project that i'm doing. there are absolutely no glass shops in phoenix that sell the rod, and i'd like to see what i'm ordering. does anyone have a url for a site that has pictures? it doesn't have to sell them, since i can find them at numerous places mail order. thanks, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 10:38:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Keeping Cool Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:00:31 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199905251703.MAA29428@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Bud-- I had heard that putting the glass on a damp towel or sponge will help prevent solder drip-through on a copper foil piece. Haven't actually tried it 'cuz my pieces always fit perfectly : - ) But it might be worth a try with your heat build-up problem. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 10:51:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:42:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cooling large hobby glass Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:36:35 EDT Message-ID: <1999May25.163635.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/25/99 12:21:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: > I am not sure I want to get into trying to repair that lid Hey Bud, I am no good at visualizing things, need to see them, but I am an "idea man". Can ya take a sheet of adhesive backed copper or some wide copper foil and cut out something decorative and then stick it over the crack and tin it making it look like another solder line? Is there any way to cover the crack with foil and decorative soldering? I guess I am asking if you can work this flaw into the design without taking it apart. Best of luck on whatever you decide to do. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 11:09:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: kaye@gsa-orsp.crown.nwu.edu, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:56:26 EDT Message-ID: <1999May25.165626.0> Precedence: bulk Interesting about the small "English" windows you mention for $125.00 +20. I see them in antique shops around here, too. Unless the shops all have the same design (or lack thereof), these don't move very often, as I see the same ones on each trip (about once a month, when I'm trolling for business) I'm told by one shopkeeper, that there is an outfit in Fla. that has thousands of these, and that is where he gets them from. The product is really hardly worth having, IMHO, as they are "flat", i.e., no statement, no message, no warm and fuzzies, when you look at them. But, we must all remember that for the price, all of this stuff looks good to the uninformed, and it will sell. At a local lamp shop, I introduced myself to the owner, with one of my Prairie shades, under my arm, as I was really looking for a base for it. He said, (before he even held it)" Wow!, a real Tiffany. I wish my people would pay what that's worth, rather than this cheap crap that they buy". No, I didn't correct him, per se, I simply said that it was a handcrafted artglass shade, (Yough glass), and that I appreciated the fact that he was able to see quality at a distance. Point here is this, You will have to be evangelical (without being critical of the crap) about differences in product, if you expect to sell it. Again, those who are happy with or can only afford "Bogus Tiffany and Co," product will not be converted, but everyone else is worth a try, as I see it. Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 11:24:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: PJ Jellison To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Stained Glass "Worms" Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:39:06 -0400 Message-ID: <374AD21F.490C350@ceps.nasm.edu> Organization: Smithsonian Institution Precedence: bulk Hello all, I just received this very detailed and nice reply from the seller of the eBay "stained glass worms." They sound interesting for jewelry and other three-dimensional craft/art work. I may bid on some to experiment with. Cheers, Pat JJ Hi Pat! Glass worms look like hot wax down the side of a candle. Worms are created when taking glass from a 2200 degree furnace with a metal crucible and the crucible is over full. The overspill between the furnace and the table - and area of about 15 feet is prime worm ground. The crucible can contain between 2 and 3 colors of glass but usually only 2. It's possible to send a picture in about 48 hrs. This is first time we have marketed worms, they are a favorite of the local artists and don't usually get out of the area. The local artists like to buy them by the pound when we get them for the unusual patterns and pictures they see in them. Because these worms have such a variety of color, thickness, shape, etc., etc., they are hard to get a picture of what you might receive. We will try to put a picture in of worms next auction. Thank you and Happy Bidding SUN-TOYS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 11:43:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Keeping Cool Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:56:39 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990525105639.00b20510@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk actually i was taught this way, but found that it led to a preponderance of cracking. i think it's because the class is cooling too much on one side, and the difference in front to back temperatures causes a crack if there is any flaw in the glass at all. the best solution i've found is to keep moving. if you stay in one place, or attempt to fix a place too much, the piece heats up too much locally and cracks. move on, and come back to that place later. regards, charlie phx, az >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:00:31 -0600 >Subject: Keeping Cool >From: kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU >To: glass@bungi.com > >Bud-- > >I had heard that putting the glass on a damp towel or sponge will >help prevent solder drip-through on a copper foil piece. Haven't >actually tried it 'cuz my pieces always fit perfectly : - ) > >But it might be worth a try with your heat build-up problem. > >Kaye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 11:56:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: trellis.net!72867 From: "J&RinMonroe" <72867@trellis.net> To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: washington d. c. and glass repair Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:46:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May25.34633.0> Precedence: bulk To anyone going to Washington D. C. , one of the best glass sights to see is the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception--they have guided tours Monday through Saturday 9:oo-11 a. m. and 1-3 p. m.. I've been to the National Cathederal and this is equally if not more impressive to someone wanting to see stained glass. In a class I once took they recommended using a plastic coated playing card to separate soldered copper foil seams. Get the soldered seam hot clear a spot until you can see where the foil meets and place a corner of the card between the foiled edges--move the soldering iron and the card along the seam and they'll separate quite easily. Hope this can help someone. Roseannne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 13:01:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: Butterfly box sold Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:00:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May25.5045.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I called the Rabbi, and told her about the crack, also told her that per the formula of $1.00 per square inch of glass used, the total price would be $371.25 (got this formula from someone on the Bungi list). Since it had a break in the lid, I would cut the price to $265.00, asked her if she still wanted to take a look at the box, and make a decision. Mom also told her that if she did not want to buy it, that she wanted it. So maybe Mom was putting some competitive pressure on her, not sure only they say so. Laura (the Rabbi) came over, took one look, and gushed that she wanted it. Said that the crack had brought it into her price range, and that as far as she was concerned, since the crack was internal to the lid, and under the wings from the outside, she was not concerned with it. (When the glass is cool, the crack is almost non-visible, only I know it's there, and now so does she, and I would rather be honest about a defect, then to hide it, and try and make believe that it is not there.) I have taken pictures, and when Mom gets the film developed, I will get them scanned and posted to the Instar site. She is now starting to talk about the Tree of Life panel for her side light on her front door. Showed her a picture of the Tiffany Tree of Life, and she wanted it, asked how much she had put back for the panel, and told her that a square foot of glass of similar quality and color shading that Tiffany was using would be on the order of $20.00 to $60.00, and that is before cutting a single piece out of it. Well, next project is a Rose Panel, a personal project, something to have fun doing for myself, one of the voices is a soul part, that came back, call him Bud, he likes flowers, and has been asking to do this panel for quite a while now. Says it is for Anne Rose, if she wants it, if she does not, it stays here at the house. She does not have any knowledge of it. Oh, found out the Rabbi is a torch worker in beads, showed me a heart made in flowers, that she had done, took her to the ebay site and showed her some of the beads there. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 13:06:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:05:03 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199905251908.OAA02337@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Richard-- Thanks for the info on the "English" windows. Interesting that there are so many of them around. Evidently somebody is trying to take advantage (surprise, surprise) of the recent increase in the popularity of stained glass (and antiques). I made a small prairie-style lamp for my office and got orders from two co-workers. Today I delivered the first one and have had two more serious inquiries. Hopefully I can talk them into something slightly different--otherwise I'm gonna get real sick of this one lamp (four panels, 10" wide at bottom, approx. 135 total pieces). And another reason why one should charge a reasonable price. When I'm making them all for people who work in the same building, they certainly will expect to pay the same amount. So I'm locked in (for good or ill). Thankfully, although I'm not charging enough, it's not so low that I resent getting more orders and having to make more. And of course I'm flattered by the attention and compliments. About eBay--I find the gems and jewelry really tempting, but I now have to wonder if buying would only confirm my "underinformed" status in that category.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 14:25:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Artglass From: Artglass@webtv.net (Glass Tat-2) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Looking for a source!! Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1999May25.63910.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Anyone know of a resourece for stained glass frindge,/beading trim to go around the rim of a stained glass lamp.I need to purchase it wholesale???? Thanks Larry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 15:27:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "J&RinMonroe" <72867@trellis.net>, Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: washington d. c. and glass repair Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May25.134030.0> References: <<1999May25.34633.0>> Precedence: bulk Try a square cut out of an aluminum pop (soda in the States) can. Thinner, stiffer and solder won't stick to it or chew it up... Mikey Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: J&RinMonroe <72867@trellis.net> To: > > In a class I once took they recommended using a plastic coated playing card > to separate soldered copper foil seams. Get the soldered seam hot clear a > spot until you can see where the foil meets and place a corner of the card > between the foiled edges--move the soldering iron and the card along the > seam and they'll separate quite easily. Hope this can help someone. > > Roseannne > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 15:44:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Glass Tat-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Looking for a source!! Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May25.12057.0> References: <<1999May25.63910.0>> Precedence: bulk I hate to be unfriendly Larry, but my first reaction to reading this was "Why, so you can turn around and advertise it on bungi, and try to sell it to us?" I was tempted to just delete your email this time without reading it since, thus far, no person had been attached. Welcome to bungi....but please get to know us before you try to recruit us as customers. Most of us have our favorite suppliers already. Honestly, I hope this doesnt come off as totally rude, but I was really turned off by your earlier email. I think you would have better success as a supplier if you introduced yourself first. Let us know you offer supplies...and if anybody asked the group where to find something...you could always email them privately and let them know. Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 16:05:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:04:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Stained Glass "Worms" Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:03:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May25.12317.0> References: <<374AD21F.490C350@ceps.nasm.edu>> Precedence: bulk The glass is beautiful! I bought some small pieces. It comes from a glass factory somewhere around Ben Lomond, CA and the seller ( sun-toys on eBay if any one is interested ) is extremely nice. A satisfied customer, Mary Lou -----Original Message----- From: PJ Jellison [mailto:jellison@ceps.nasm.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 11:39 To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass "Worms" Hello all, I just received this very detailed and nice reply from the seller of the eBay "stained glass worms." They sound interesting for jewelry and other three-dimensional craft/art work. I may bid on some to experiment with. Cheers, Pat JJ Hi Pat! Glass worms look like hot wax down the side of a candle. Worms are created when taking glass from a 2200 degree furnace with a metal crucible and the crucible is over full. The overspill between the furnace and the table - and area of about 15 feet is prime worm ground. The crucible can contain between 2 and 3 colors of glass but usually only 2. It's possible to send a picture in about 48 hrs. This is first time we have marketed worms, they are a favorite of the local artists and don't usually get out of the area. The local artists like to buy them by the pound when we get them for the unusual patterns and pictures they see in them. Because these worms have such a variety of color, thickness, shape, etc., etc., they are hard to get a picture of what you might receive. We will try to put a picture in of worms next auction. Thank you and Happy Bidding SUN-TOYS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 16:26:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: "Bud Britt" , Subject: re: Cooling large hobby glass Date: 25 May 99 18:09:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199905252206.SAA21312@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk A dollar an inch?! $265 for a small box . . .and you've been doing stained glass how long?! Bud, I think you're in the wrong business--you should be teaching US all about marketing and getting your money's worth! Nadine > ** Original Subject: Cooling large hobby glass > ** Original Sender: "Bud Britt" > ** Original Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:30:19 -0700 > ** Original Message follows... > > Hello Everyone, > > I am not sure I want to get into trying to repair that lid. To do so, I > would need to remove the butterfly body, then remove the wings, then remove > the twisted wire wing supports (the wings are in a flight position), then > remove the soldered copper foil base for the twisted wire supports (this is > where I think, and they say the heat buildup came from), and then I can > start doing the desoldering of the broken piece. > > For those who wish to get some idea, the box bottom is 10.5"w by 7.5"d Heart > shaped, by 3.5" high. The lid is same width and depth, with a .5 " lip of > ..5" squares of glass, and then a 12.7"w by 7.9"d butterfly mounted on top of > that. > > I originally was going to charge $265.00 for this box, and that was mainly > because it was a friend of Mom's. > With this crack, > (for those who will ask where is the crack, the crack is below the main > soldered foil support pad on the lid, it runs straight through the center of > the heart, and at the bottom point, it veers to the left a little), > what would be a chargeable price for a piece damaged in this way, or should > it be sold for material cost??? > > > Oh, How do you keep your glass cool, so that when you are soldering large > items like this together, that the glass does not develop these heat > cracks???? > > > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ > > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 16:36:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: clock repair solved Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:29:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May25.142948.0> Precedence: bulk Never mind - I called the lady to tell her what steps I was taking to find her someone, and it turns out she found someone in the next town who said they could do the job. She is so happy with me that I was honest with her and didn't take on something over my head, she is going to have me do a sidelight for her front door! Kris ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 17:04:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:11:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Glass Tat-2" Subject: Re: Looking for a source!! Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:56:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May25.75632.0> Precedence: bulk >>Hello Anyone know of a resourece for stained glass frindge,/beading trim to go around the rim of a stained glass lamp.I need to purchase it wholesale???? Thanks Larry<< Whittmore-Durgan Glass Co. (800 262-1790) For a rare item like this expect to pay whatever is asked. ................ Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Upon receipt of msg *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 17:08:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cooling large hobby glass Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:09:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May25.8930.0> Precedence: bulk If you really want to repair that piece of glass and you have at least 1.5 inches above the solder joint, you can try the following. it is a pain, but it works and can be invisible if done right. 1. Remove as much extra solder as you can from the joint all the way around the cracked piece. But be careful not to crack any other pieces from the heat. If you are uncomfortable about re-melting and removing the solder go direct to step 2 - it will just take you longer and wear out more cutting disks. 2. Use a Dremel or other rotary tool with a cutoff disk to cut around the edge of the broken piece. Cut from the center of the solder joint at a slight angle towards the broken glass. What you want is to cut the solder/foil that is holding one surface of the broken piece completely away, but leave the solder and foil for all surrounding pieces intact. Use eye protection whenever using rotary tools. A filter mask is a good idea too since you probably do not want to eat the little chunks of solder. 3. Strip off the cut solder and foil. Lift out the broken piece. You may find a few places where the old solder is still holding the piece. It is a simple matter to cut a little more until you can get the piece out. 4. Clean the old foil glue off the inside of the remaining joint around the hole (against the good pieces). You are going to be foiling new foil against the inside of the old and any old foil glue will repel the flux, melt into your solder, and in general make a real mess of it. Alcohol seems to work OK for dissolving most foil glues. If not, I have had good luck with Citrisol. If still not, you will need to use something more harmful to your health such as acetone. 5. Lay the broken piece out and trace around it. Using this pattern, cut a new piece slightly smaller in all directions. The new piece needs to be enough smaller to accept new foil all the way around and still fit back into the hole. Check it by fitting it back into the hole. Grind any spots you need to (one of the few times I find my grinder truly worthwhile). 6. Foil the new piece and fit it into the hole. If it is not laying flat against the old solder on the other side of the hole, this may be fixed somewhat by cutting the foil off from just that surface of the new glass piece. You can also cut the the old foil and solder off the other surface of the hole with the rotary tool. But this takes more time and may not be possible if you do not have enough room for the rotary tool (as sounds like it may be the case from your description). 7. Re-solder the joint and your on your way! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 17:20:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:12:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: How to hang? Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:50:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May25.55025.0> Precedence: bulk My personal preference for heavy free-hanging pieces is chain. Linked chain has very specific weight ratings and does not suffer from metal fatigue or point stresses (or at least those stresses are part of the rating). You can use woven wire (sometimes called tech wire) on a heavy piece. But remember all stress points on the tech wire must be over a curved surface. A wider diameter bolt or eyebolt is sufficient curvature. But any sharp point or if it is pinched by a sharp edge (read nailed or screwed tight against something) will create a point of fatigue which may fail. For a period of time rope of a sufficient strength rating can be used. But most types of rope will deteriorate over a period of years. There are hangers available which solder directly to the zinc. I seem to remember something on the IGGA suppliers list about some manufacturers and.or suppliers. These should be able to handle a fair amount of weight. How much weight are we talking about here anyway? Can you lift the piece? I once hung a 250 lb. combined metal / glass / wood piece. So I may actually be going a bit overboard in what I am telling you depending on what you consider to be "heavy" Sheet rock, plaster over lathe or hung ceiling tiles are all very poor at supporting weight. I don't like even molly bolts or butterfly bolts into just these surfaces. I always try for a stud or if it is from the ceiling I go into the attic and place a cross support with the support bolt running through to good wide washers and nuts to spread the weight. For how long do you expect the piece to hang? Without some sort of extra tensioning support, either built into the design of the piece or added, the middle of even half inch zinc will begin to sag across the bottom over time if the weight of the glass is resting on it. Hope that helps you, but I would need to know more about the piece to say anything specific. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 17:22:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: clock repair - needs a kiln Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:14:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May25.141411.0> Precedence: bulk I have a job that is more than I can do. This lady brought me a lovely clock but some of the glass is broken and needs to be replaced. Of course the glass that broke is the bent glass and I don't have the skills to fabricate a mold and bend more glass perfectly to repair this clock. Is anyone else interested or does anyone know who might be willing to take this job? You can see pictures of the clock at www.goldensand.com/clock.htm It is lead came construction, gold plated. I have someone here who can do the gold plating. It's the glass bending that is the real stumbling block. The customer is willing to ship the piece wherever necessary to get it repaired. If you can do the job or know someone who can, let me know at kristc@home.com Thanks!! Kris ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 19:10:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Nadine Beth Schneider" , Subject: Re: Cooling large hobby glass Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:27:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May25.102717.0> References: <<199905252206.SAA21312@smtp3.erols.com>> Precedence: bulk Well, it seems like a little while back, that I was asking about pricing of stained glass, and found that I was charging too little, and even got some words about undervaluing the stained glass market for the "Professional Stained Glass Professional's". So now I am getting better sale prices than what I am supposed too,,, ;-) And the box was not that little, I have not seen any box like it on the Internet, and none as large, with the exception of Mike Savad creations. Perhaps, only no need ;-), I could justify the cost, due to the use of, again they are say NO NEED, at least half the box was made out of iridescent glass. And the dollar a square inch came from someone who I trust on Bungi, to give me the correct info, they have helped me a lot in figuring out stuff, glass and non-glass related. How do you price your work, perhaps I need more input on what are standard pricing guidelines for stained glass work. If that is to high, than you all are the bargain now, and I am the one who is over priced,,, ;-( or is that ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Bud Britt ; AA_Instar Glass ; AA_Bungi Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 04:09 PM Subject: re: Cooling large hobby glass > A dollar an inch?! $265 for a small box . . .and you've > been doing stained glass how long?! Bud, I think you're > in the wrong business--you should be teaching US all > about marketing and getting your money's worth! > > Nadine > > > > ** Original Subject: Cooling large hobby glass > > ** Original Sender: "Bud Britt" > > ** Original Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:30:19 -0700 > > > ** Original Message follows... > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I am not sure I want to get into trying to repair that lid. To do so, I > > would need to remove the butterfly body, then remove the wings, then remove > > the twisted wire wing supports (the wings are in a flight position), then > > remove the soldered copper foil base for the twisted wire supports (this is > > where I think, and they say the heat buildup came from), and then I can > > start doing the desoldering of the broken piece. > > > > For those who wish to get some idea, the box bottom is 10.5"w by 7.5"d Heart > > shaped, by 3.5" high. The lid is same width and depth, with a .5 " lip of > > ..5" squares of glass, and then a 12.7"w by 7.9"d butterfly mounted on top of > > that. > > > > I originally was going to charge $265.00 for this box, and that was mainly > > because it was a friend of Mom's. > > With this crack, > > (for those who will ask where is the crack, the crack is below the main > > soldered foil support pad on the lid, it runs straight through the center of > > the heart, and at the bottom point, it veers to the left a little), > > what would be a chargeable price for a piece damaged in this way, or should > > it be sold for material cost??? > > > > > > Oh, How do you keep your glass cool, so that when you are soldering large > > items like this together, that the glass does not develop these heat > > cracks???? > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Bud Britt > > > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ > > > > > > > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > > > > > www.nadinesfolly.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 21:38:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:46:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Stained Glass "Worms" Date: Tue, 25 May 99 20:44:47 Message-ID: <199905260345.VAA17051@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk I emailed the lady on ebay.. here's her response... ************* This is the first time we have marketed worms. Worms look like hot wax that has dripped down the side of a candle. They have been hand picked and cleaned. We will have a picture and a better description on the next listing but at this time we are waiting for the film to be developed. But even with pictures your worms may be a different color, shape or length depending on what worm lot you buy. Worms are usually 2 colors clear/blue, clear/green, pinks, reds, yellows, cobolts or even all sky blue or clear. Once again, glass worms look like hot wax that has been peeled off the side of a candle -- HIGH GLOSS -- usually rounded but sometimes flat. Specialty worms are not listed on eBay and are a favorite of local artists. These are hand picked pieces that have particularly interesting color or shape. These worms are bigger averaging at least 5" to 6" in length. They are less fragile than the smaller ones. If interested in specialty worms, please e-mail us and let us know colors and we will let you know if we have them and will give you a quote at the same time. Happy Bidding, SUN-TOYS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue May 25 23:06:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: an apology..sort of Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:19:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May25.181948.0> Precedence: bulk I'd like to apologise. I think I was rude to Larry. I meant what I said, but I could have been more tactful, and not rude. I've had too much unsolicited ads in my mailbox lately...maybe I'd had too much coffee and not enough sleep...but regardless, I could have been more tactful. Welcome to bungi, Larry. T Suzanne, (not usually such a B*tch) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 09:55:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:28:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Nadine Beth Schneider" Subject: Re: Pricing, LONG ONE Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May26.01312.0> References: <<199905261212.IAA15403@smtp1.erols.com>> Precedence: bulk Good Morning Nadine, They woke me up at about 5:37 a.m. this morning (California time),,, I hope you did not think that I was upset or cross or some other word for being mad, I just got a word called perturbed, a lot of the time, they give me words to type, and I got to ask what is that word, what does it mean. I started doing stained glass mainly because the ex-girlfriend did not want to use the tools and bench that I built for her, I built a bench, light box, grinder bench, and glass storage in my garage, plus a portable light box with storage and tool drawer for her to have at home. She cut one small project, a pair of hearts on a larger heart, and it did not come out perfect, and she did not cut any more glass after that. Mom says she is a 1 on the ennergram scale, a total perfectionist, and in need of total control, and that is mainly what broke us up. I poured my heart and hands into making the bench and stuff, and was told it was not perfect, because I tried to save some money by using strips of homesote board, instead of going out and spending $20.00 on a sheet of it, I got strips for $2.71 for a 10' x 3", glued and sanded it smooth. This is the top of the bench, for soldering and glass hold down with pins/nails. I really did not start doing glass to be in a business of selling the results. I started doing it, to make Mom a birthday present. In fact, from what I have read in the mail lists, most of us are doing glass as hobbyist, with a few that are doing as professionals, I wish to thank the professionals who are willing to share their knowledge of glass, with those of us who are doing this as a hobby/ or even as wanna be professionals. From a conversation on the lists a while back, the definition that I think I got out of it was, if you were able to get money for your work, then you were at some level of professional, only until you were designing your own designs, and not using any other source of design, were you a stained glass artist professional. Since most of what I do is done from panel patterns, that I trace from pictures or paintings, I am still in the hobbyist/some level of professional box, since it seems that there is still a need to label and discern between height or depth of knowledge, whoa, got into a thread, that got me into trouble a while back. I got just the tinyest bit of trouble with being classed/labeled/sorted/leveled, well how do you put a word on the "I am better than you are, because of ???" type of thinking. And no, I am not talking about you, it's just something that has raised it's ugly/beautiful head (classing it am I) again,,, Well back to the pricing,,, The folks at the church, have been telling me that I have been pricing my work too low. Did a Giraffe panel last week, that went to Boston for a thank you gift, that I sold for $275.00, it was if I remember 17.5" x 12.25" in a oval format. I was told by multiple people at the church, that it was a steal at that price. And these are the customers who are buying what I have been putting in the bookstore. At the $1.00 sq. inch, it would have been $214.38, I raised the price, since it was a RUSH job, and I used some of the handrolled/handmade glasses in it. The voices told me that if I included a wood shipping box, and a 50 lb hanger with it, I could charge the $275.00. So I built the box and included the hanger. And she still was very happy with the piece, in fact when I took it to her at a class at church, she took it to the front of the room, and showed it off to the group of people, have got additional orders for other items from that little show and tell that she did. Basically, I was told that I ought to double the price that I am charging, I maintain, that I am still learning, and as such can not charge what a "Stained Glass Artist Professional" might charge or can charge. Nadine, I just got a thought/explanation of what is going on here in Southern California about the pricing. That people are so used to things being expensive where the people are massed together so tightly,,, That they almost desire that things of beauty cost a lot, that unless it costs a lot, that it is not worth the beauty that they are seeing with their eyes, feeling with their hands, smelling with their nose, hearing with their ears,,, That could be, heard a while back, "There are a lot of people here in O.C. who spend money, like some of us drink water" Coming from a state, "Colorado", where the beauty is part of just walking outside, and opening up your eyes, (Same anywhere, if you really open them up, inside/outside/upside/downside/rightside/leftside/frontside/backside/maybe even the diagonal side(some just said, all that deals with physical forms/dimensions, what about non-physical???) Maybe part of personal purpose now, beyond helping Mom at church and helping church, is helping the people here to realize beauty again, and that it does not have to cost a lot to be beautiful, in fact, it ought to only cost a moment of sensing,,, ;-) Oh, thank you for your input on pricing, I got going (typing), and they got into it also, they just said that perhaps, before you move next time, maybe since you are a artist, that you might look into the (new word for me) demographics of the area, they say that is who is in the area, money base that is in area, artist community that is in area, stuff such as this,,, Have a great day Nadine, and I got to go study for my driver license, and think about a rose panel that one of the voices wants to do. (just did a little math, the $100.00 sq. foot works out to $0.69 a sq. inch, so it is getting pretty close ;-) ) Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Bud Britt ; Nadine Beth Schneider Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 06:15 AM Subject: Pricing > Hi Bud! > Figuring out how much to charge is always a problem. . .for > everyone. And especially when you are talking about small > objects, boxes and kaleidoscopes. Since your box was an > original design with special glass, etc. and you thought it > was worth $300, fine. I was just surprised because most > of us would have trouble commanding such a price in our > own area. I've been in business for 20 years--but just two > years here in Virginia and to be very honest, I recently lost > two jobs because I quoted $450 for a 24"x24" window and > $300 for a 30"x 9" window. I never had this problem in > Texas. . .I only meant "more power to you!" > > I've never heard of $1 an inch. Some people charge a square > foot charge plus $1 or $2 a piece. Usually, when we are > talking panels, I use $100 a square foot as a ballpark > figure, then go down or up depending on the intricacy > of the design. > > Nadine > > > > ** Original Subject: Re: Cooling large hobby glass > > ** Original Sender: "Bud Britt" > > ** Original Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:27:17 -0700 > > > ** Original Message follows... > > > > > Well, it seems like a little while back, that I was asking about pricing of > > stained glass, and found that I was charging too little, and even got some > > words about undervaluing the stained glass market for the "Professional > > Stained Glass Professional's". > > > > So now I am getting better sale prices than what I am supposed too,,, ;-) > > > > And the box was not that little, I have not seen any box like it on the > > Internet, and none as large, with the exception of Mike Savad creations. > > > > Perhaps, only no need ;-), I could justify the cost, due to the use of, > > again they are say NO NEED, at least half the box was made out of iridescent > > glass. > > > > And the dollar a square inch came from someone who I trust on Bungi, to give > > me the correct info, they have helped me a lot in figuring out stuff, glass > > and non-glass related. > > > > How do you price your work, perhaps I need more input on what are standard > > pricing guidelines for stained glass work. If that is to high, than you all > > are the bargain now, and I am the one who is over priced,,, ;-( or is that > > ;-) > > > > Sincerely, > > Bud Britt > > > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ > > ----- Original Message -----From: Nadine Beth Schneider > > To: Bud Britt ; AA_Instar Glass > > ; AA_Bungi > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 04:09 PM > > Subject: re: Cooling large hobby glass > > > > > > > A dollar an inch?! $265 for a small box . . .and you've > > > been doing stained glass how long?! Bud, I think you're > > > in the wrong business--you should be teaching US all > > > about marketing and getting your money's worth! > > > > > > Nadine > > > > > > > > > > ** Original Subject: Cooling large hobby glass > > > > ** Original Sender: "Bud Britt" > > > > ** Original Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:30:19 -0700 > > > > > > > ** Original Message follows... > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > > > I am not sure I want to get into trying to repair that lid. To do so, I > > > > would need to remove the butterfly body, then remove the wings, then > > remove > > > > the twisted wire wing supports (the wings are in a flight position), > > then > > > > remove the soldered copper foil base for the twisted wire supports (this > > is > > > > where I think, and they say the heat buildup came from), and then I can > > > > start doing the desoldering of the broken piece. > > > > > > > > For those who wish to get some idea, the box bottom is 10.5"w by 7.5"d > > Heart > > > > shaped, by 3.5" high. The lid is same width and depth, with a .5 " lip > > of > > > > ..5" squares of glass, and then a 12.7"w by 7.9"d butterfly mounted on > > top of > > > > that. > > > > > > > > I originally was going to charge $265.00 for this box, and that was > > mainly > > > > because it was a friend of Mom's. > > > > With this crack, > > > > (for those who will ask where is the crack, the crack is below the main > > > > soldered foil support pad on the lid, it runs straight through the > > center of > > > > the heart, and at the bottom point, it veers to the left a little), > > > > what would be a chargeable price for a piece damaged in this way, or > > should > > > > it be sold for material cost??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, How do you keep your glass cool, so that when you are soldering > > large > > > > items like this together, that the glass does not develop these heat > > > > cracks???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Bud Britt > > > > > > > > computerministry@unitytustin.org > > > > page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, > > > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.nadinesfolly.com > > > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > > > > > www.nadinesfolly.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 10:30:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:49:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NOT GLASS-SORTA-anyone in the clearwater/sarasota area Date: Wed May 26 09:49:00 1999 Message-ID: <1999May27.7270.0> Precedence: bulk hi guys i am going to be in clearwater next week, have hooked up with kris to try and grab lunch or something,,,,thought maybe if there were quite of few of you in the area, we could all get together for a sandwich or drink or something.... maybe tues or wed - day or evening - leeboe? if melissa hall is listening, i will be in cocoa beach on friday the 4th....just for the day... i am leaving here today at 3, will be leaving for florida tomorrow afternoon...so if anyone wants to get together and i don't hear from you before i leave, kris at kristc@home.com has my cell phone number.... see ya there! thanx debbie taylor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 10:48:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: foxinternet.net!lin From: "lin" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: newbie needs advise Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:50:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May26.25013.0> References: <<1999May25.181948.0>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BEA75D.28334B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all..... i have been a lurker, ready to come out of the shadows for a = question..... I "dabble " in stained glass (haven't tried any hot glass work cuz i = tend to get compulsive and my children already complain about not seeing = me once i start a new project). I mostly do things for myself and for = friends....... no money making, only expending! Anyway my = question......... In finishing a project, my arms get soooooooo tired with all the = brushng, brushing, brushing...... i am thinking that if one were to be = using wax anyway, why couldn't i use a car polisher for the finishing? = has anyone tried this or have any opinions? It wouldn't be done with = horsehair or natural bristle but it seems with the wax that the = sheepskin bonnet would work just as well?! TIA lin ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BEA75D.28334B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all..... = i have been a=20 lurker, ready to come out of the shadows for a=20 question.....
I "dabble " = in stained=20 glass (haven't tried any hot glass work cuz i tend to get compulsive and = my=20 children already complain about not seeing me once i start a new = project). =20 I mostly do things for myself and for friends....... no money making, = only=20 expending!  Anyway my question.........
In finishing = a project, my=20 arms get soooooooo tired with all the brushng, brushing, brushing...... = i am=20 thinking that if one were to be using wax anyway, why couldn't i use a = car=20 polisher for the finishing?  has anyone tried this or have any=20 opinions?  It wouldn't be done with horsehair or natural bristle = but it=20 seems with the wax that the sheepskin bonnet would work just as=20 well?!
TIA
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BEA75D.28334B80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 11:04:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:15:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: kaye@gsa-orsp.crown.nwu.edu, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG great... bum everybody out! Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:14:27 EDT Message-ID: <1999May26.171427.0> Precedence: bulk Kaye, As I keep reading in the papers, we are in a market driven economy. Any market, yours(consisting right now of your office and acquaintences), or mine, is what determines value. I agree that the key things are 1, you get repeat orders. 2, You respect your work far to much to "give it away", and three, the price is one with which you are satisfied. Sounds like a plan to me...... I know I'll show my narrowness when I say this, but I too, am most reluctant to buy anything I can't see AND touch, or that isn't a cookie cutter brand item, or of which I don't have a sample. Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 12:00:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:41:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: NG Shipping on Catalog Orders Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:26:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May26.32616.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, Suzanne did not forget your questions, will answer, Does anyone know how long it ought to take for a one box shipment to get from Warner Criv, to Tustin, California ? The box was shipped on Monday, and I just checked UPS tracking, and it has only made it to Illinois,,, ;-( Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 12:20:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:23:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: "Bud Britt" , Subject: re: Re: Pricing, LONG ONE Date: 26 May 99 13:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <199905261722.NAA08455@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Thanks, Bud. . . . . . . .for taking the time to explain your background in stained glass. Your ex really didn't know what she had--and missed out! I hope I didn't offend you when I remarked on the price of your box--I didn't mean to--I was just impressed with the amount you could command now. You do have a point, however, about being in California. When I lived in San Francisco it was much easier to charge what the work was worth--same in Dallas. I guess my problem here in Virginia is the people who've been coming to me are house poor! I may have to wait til they grow into their mortgages! Hope your test goes well. Good luck! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 12:35:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Mosaic Question Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:19:12 -0400 Message-ID: <199905261420.KAA01872@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi, Has anybody used jewels in mosaics, do they eventually crack? I know for a fact that rondels will crack over time from the pressure of the grout. Thanks! suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 14:03:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Subject: NON GLASS Re: Hi Bud, Questions Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:13:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May26.61311.0> References: <<374C0F5F.4CC9A564@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk Hello Suzanne, anyone else, this message is trying to describe to Suzane what has happened to me, and what happened, the voices are telling most of the details, and yes some might want to read just for the , they just said that there is no need to explain further, what you do with the info, is a measure of yourself, and where you are in your own path, good luck, and this is from me personal, watch out for them thoughts, some can get you,,, > You mention *the voices* pretty often. I have never seen you post to > explain them. > > I hope you dont mind questions, I wouldnt ask if I thought you would, > btw. > > How many voices are there? Have you always had them, or only since the > brain injury? Do they irritate you? Well, I have worked very hard at getting some thinking back of my own to even be able to explain it this far. They say a little history first, and yes, much of what I do is helped, suggested by what they say, and no, it is not always a comfortable feeling,,, Back in 1996, I re-registered the car for plates, took a plate that no one would take from the government office, the lady said that many passed over it, once they read the alphanumeric sequence, it was MAK4666. I was asked if I was superstitious or religious, and if I would have any problem with taking this plate, told them no, and went and put it on the car. At the time, I was a member of a 12 step fellowship, for drug addiction (and yes much of this info is being given by the ones that I call the angels, the light beings, the guides, the ones who speak through the left side of the brain, at least from what I understand), I also was on anti-depressants that caused a major head pain in head that would not go away, and affected my work ability, and ended up losing job. Now the doctors at the hospitals have labeled what happened as a brain aneurysm, with little hope for recovery, that the pains/spikes will be there for the rest of my life, that I am a walking brain bomb, from what one just said, that it could burst at any moment. Other professionals have said that it was a spiritual emergency, a kudelini awakening, a awakening to the forces of the cosmos, a linking with those forces, that I have become a channel and not of my choosing,,, I was also on a mailing list for those who self-injure, by cutting, burning, etc. that escape reality for the endorphin rush of physical pain, to escape into the drugs that no one can take away from you, except for them, I have found this to be true, the endorphin rush from sex, physical extertion, etc. can be removed by them in a split instance, and it was like it never happened. In 1997, I was taken/forced/lead/guided/ they say forced is the best word, to go to Dallas Texas, namely Garland Texas, a suburb, where I worked for a highly secret defence company for 8 years from what they just said, never did anything of major importance, form what I am told, mainly because of the drug background, and that I after being put into the hospital for drug abuse, was put in basically solitary work status for at least 4 years, a small room maintining a test equiment, they just said dinosuar. There is something about a spy or spies on the Internet group for self injuries, that was tagging people who working in Hi-Tech, that I told the company about it,,, It is a area that is very missing in content,,, The first road trip to Dallas, I took my Aunt Leta with me, in the Camper, left the camper in Lubbock, hopped a plane and flew the diagonal to Dallas, they were telling me that we would have a escort to the company, when we got there, waited for a long time, the escort showed up, a Ford Escort with a Escort fuzz buster on the dash,,, We spent a few days in Dallas, I think the company had us put in a special room that they setup, the rates were very low, for some reason, stayed in the hotel where they had me when I interviewed with them. Was taken to airport by a man who said that he was working for the company, did not take flight, wanted a small rental, only was put in a large taurus with some antennas and stuff that did not look like belonged in a rental car. Felt like was tailed, did not go back for camper, went straight home to boulder, when we stopped at a motel, the police showed up to check out the grounds and registery at the motel, they told me that everything was fine when I asked. Aunt Leta died within a week of getting back to Boulder, she was found after being dead for two to three days, in the building where she lived. They would not let anyone see the body, and someone came from Washington to do the paperwork, from what my Uncle told me. Within a week, I was forced to go back to Garland by the voices again, the spikes were very burning/electrical in nature. I drove to airport, bought ticket, waited in restaraunt, they cordened off the area where I sat, just me in a big room having coffee and reading a paper, boarded plane, and had a man in the seat behind me, talking on a high powered cell phone (looked like a military type) that was talking in a code (from what I remember of the conversation, and from the years at the defence company) and I got up and went to the bathroom, and tapped him on the shoulder, and told him, "that they tell me that it will be alright, don't be so up tight, relax" and went to take a leak. He freaked out a little, only that is the nature of that type,,, The spikes; When I say spikes, they are like someone heating up a railroad (large) spike in the forge or torch and then hammering it into your head and spinning it, sometimes it is like it is hooked up to a electrical power source, the current surges through the brain, it feels like a intense electrical field is surrounding my head/spine, I sometime have to go outside and put my hands into the wet ground to drain the field, and it does drain. The spikes can occur all over the brain area, right and left frontal lobes, right and left posterial lobes, brain stem, and anywhere on the body, mainly centering around nerve centers, or muscle groups. While I was in Boulder, some of them wanted me to buy a gun, a high powered pistol, were demanding a 45 Mag or greater, I would not buy, yes I went to the gun store, only refused to buy, and got SPIKED really hard really long, for not performing directive of buy. Back in Dallas, once again was placed in a hotel that the security guard from the company took me too. Talked with the company some more on this trip also, although do not remember what was said. Tired to return home, they would not let me board a flight, they needed thumb prints, photo id, just to board a plane, they (voices) just said that the deal about the Internet, and the posting of the 1-800 access phone numbers of the defence company to all the Internet news groups along with contact information might have been part of it, once again, I ended up in one of them Tauras cars with the strange equipment, I tired to drive norht to go home, only ended up being forced like a bull, or cattle to go east up the 30 highway, when I say forced, think of having a cattle prod being used on your head, that when you tryed to go either left or right, of the way that they (voices/energies) wanted you to go, you would get a shock on the that side, and it would only go away when you had correctted your course of travel. Ended up in Virginia, something about a woman named Tammy, they say she was on Internet, met with her, while I was there, a van showed up, filled with people, one blonde in a black suit, was giving orders to the rest, and Tammy told me that I better run quick, so off I went in the rental car, driving like a crazy person (they just said, not real far from the truth, in that time frame), I lost the van, in the mountains of Virginia, they told me to go to the prision, there is a big prision somewhere in Virginia, on a flat area between two ridges, I drove right into the prision, drove into the back area, and got out and waited as told. Well, the guards showed up, searched me and the car, took detailed information (some of the angels, just said that they were starting the process of switching control, that they needed some form of verfication for where I was and what some form of authority could verfiy) While I was at Tammys, the bees were landing on my hands, and sipping the sweat out of my skin cracks, it felt like a tickle, Tammy was freaking a little, I was talking to them, asking "you little ones getting some salt". While in Virginia, I spent one night sleeping up at the top of a loggin road, yes drove the rental car up a loggin road, and slept up there. I was woke up in the morning by what was like a sun or explosion in my brain, even with eyes closed, it was like the inside of my brain was in the brightest light that can ever be imagined or seen or experienced. Like someone lit a electrical ARC lamp up in your head, and that is a dim light compared to this. I ended up being forced to go to washington d.c., while on the way there, I managed to get a card off to the white house, warning the president, that to watch out that someone did not try and knock him off his pedestal, a Linus card with him standing on top of a pedestal. When I got to Washington, it did not take the secret police long to find me, they say the credit card trace was pretty fast. During this second road trip, the deal about the license plate came into play, it seemed that their were energies that figured that I was the one who was to be the chosen one, otherwise why would I have taken the plate, and others who were for keeping the cosmos going, that the play/game/life/etc. was only just beginning,,, I chose, and continue to maintain that choice, not to be the energy that they want me to be, that if they want that, that they need to go to the light, to be re-trained, to be re-formed, to be transformed, so that they will have no need to be so abusive, to need that kind of power, and yes, I am set in this choice. I asked for a atom/energy level and beyond that level inventory to be done, yes the pain was very painful, I lost a lot during that phase of the trip, weight, sleep, bone loss, graying of hair, motor skills, trade skills, are all minor things compared to the memories, skills, knowing of who you are, that were included in the inventories, like being electrically read/dumped like a recording tape/hard drive to the most smallest speck of who you are and do not even know about it. Well back to the secret police, they found me pretty quick, and did a full set of photographs, already had my finger prints (from the defence company), search me and the car, and questioned me throughly. They let me go, and the voices tried to make me go to New York, I ended up fighting to stay where I was, stayed at some pretty ritzzy hotels there on a credit card with no way to pay. I ate like a king, and got a little bit of meat on my bones, (went from 195 to about 120 and less, during those 9 months or so), when they finally told me to go home, I started out, and then the card got pulled about just inside of Virginia, oh, I was in a blue four door buick at this time, I switched cars in Nashville from what they just said. Let's see, okay they say, first white taurus was left at a lake in the high rocky mountains, hitched a ride back to boulder, Hertz had to go get it, second white taurus was left in Nashville, buick was taken back to hertz by Mom and my stepfather Paul. He also worked with Visa, and got a 50% payoff on the bill and paid it for me. They just said part of why I help at church for no pay is to pay off debts owed, to Paul, Mom, and others, and to pay off karma. I must have been a bad boy in past lives,,, ;-) Well, after the card got pulled, I was left to ask for help from those who were kind in their hearts, got $20.00 in Morgantown from a man in Virginia, that got me to Kansas City, another $20.00 from a man there, that got me to Hays Kansas, and $10.00 from the police department/religious group, that got me home to boulder, the car died after idling at the curb about a hour, in boulder. Now that is pretty good milage for a four door buick lesabre from what they just said the name of the car was. All along this trip home, there were folks that were like angels, although one couple were like a angel and something else, the woman had eyes that were like black pits, not a bit of white to her eyes, the man was nice and talked about religious things, and how I needed to watch very closely,,, One woman who helped me, when I was home and living with Paul in Estes Park, had eyes that were like marble, had the striations just like marble (the stone), she was a healing person, she could control the electrical surges, and channel them out, and helped a lot, some did not like her or her help, and caused much trouble in her family, she ended up moving back to michigan, to take care of the estate of a grandmother who died sudden. Since that time, I have warned other healing professionals who have helped, some were prepared, some were not, there are some at church who are very well prepared to handle the energies that are not helpful. It seems that many who are healers, have come to the church, and some have helped me, some have helped others, and I just got that they have been lead to come. I am very sure that the defence company and the secret police know exactly where I am, and what my life is about now, from time to time, someone who they tell me is a checker, comes to church, and once in a while talks to me, or to Mom, or some of the congregation, asking about me. I have no problem with this, I see it as only the self-protection process of a nation takeing care of it's self. Got use to the "Big Brother/Eye In The Sky" concept of being watched a long time ago. Well, Suzanne, this is most likely more information than you wanted or needed. Oh, they just said, she asked about number of voices,,, Well, it is like being a radio reciever, that the tuning dial is very wide band, not like a normal radio that only picks up a single station at any one moment in time and space, think if your radio picked up all the stations all at the same time, and the one with the strongest signal would be the one you hear the most at the moment it was the strongest, and yes, they do battle to be the strongest, although some who are here to help, have learned to keep their power low, and trace and tag those who wish to use me for things that are not in my or others best interest, and when that happens, I ask that they be taken/escorted to the light, so that they can be better energies, not about being abusive, at being the energies that are helpful. Some tried to tell me that the light was the Sun, and that the sun is the lake of fire that is talked about in the bible, well if that is true, then they were trying to say that I was asking them to be sent to hell. I told them, that if that is true, about the sun being the lake of fire, perhaps a new meaning or understanding could be helpful, that lets see, a sun provides light and warmth to the planets that surround it, that without the sun, the life forms that exist on those planets could not exist, that the sun also provides the energy to drive the planet systems for the movement (they just said, let them know that we are talking) of water, atmosphere, etc. And that if the sun runs off of energies that are burned/transformed into heat/light/other forms of energy, then it might be a great honor to donate, to chose, to be a part of the operation of the Sun in a planetary system, that another sentence from that book, something about "the greatest love, is the giving of your life", perhaps change a word, the giving of your energy,,, ;-) Well, got to get back to study for test, and got to make up some tape for mom's class tonight on tithing, hope I did not bore you to much, this is only a little bit of what they say happened in that time, a lot has happened since then, working at getting better, moment by moment,,, ;-) About irritate, well you decide,,, Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Bud Britt Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 08:12 AM Subject: Hi Bud, Questions > Hi Bud. > > You mention *the voices* pretty often. I have never seen you post to > explain them. > > I hope you dont mind questions, I wouldnt ask if I thought you would, > btw. > > How many voices are there? Have you always had them, or only since the > brain injury? Do they irritate you? > > Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 14:32:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Seeking balloons Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:01:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1999May26.16117.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all - Does anyone know of a web site with simple hot air balloon patterns suitable for sg stepping stones? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks - Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 14:53:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mosaic Question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:04:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199905262103.RAA23390@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Has anybody used jewels in mosaics, do they eventually crack? I know > for a fact that rondels will crack over time from the pressure of > the grout. Are you *sure it's the pressure of the grout? So many things could cause roundels to crack! In the first place, the roundel itself might not have been properly annealed, important (and more difficult) since there's usually such a wide difference in thickness from the edge of the roundel to its center. Secondly, it could be torqued slightly in its setting, which would add pressure at a point, perhaps causing breakage. I'd suspect the first cause in all cases, but hey! you never know! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 15:40:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:33:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG weekend / vacation get-togethers Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May26.94045.0> Precedence: bulk All you guys and your get-togethers are making me real jealous. I notice no one is planning a vacation to Salt Lake City (gee, I wonder why...?) So here's my idea--let's start planning now for a big get-together during the 2002 Olympics. Anyone interested? ;-) Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 16:54:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Mosaic Question Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <199905262214.SAA03505@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/26/99 1:04 PM Albert Lewis alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net > >> Has anybody used jewels in mosaics, do they eventually crack? I know >> for a fact that rondels will crack over time from the pressure of >> the grout. > >Are you *sure it's the pressure of the grout? So many things could >cause roundels to crack! In the first place, the roundel itself might >not have been properly annealed, important (and more difficult) since >there's usually such a wide difference in thickness from the edge of >the roundel to its center. Secondly, it could be torqued slightly in >its setting, which would add pressure at a point, perhaps causing >breakage. I'd suspect the first cause in all cases, but hey! you >never know! No Albert, I'm not positive, but I've cracked two different ones now in grout. One was a thin, "newer" rondel, the other an old, "thicker" one. And *that* one I had cut and used only about a quarter of it. I'm planning another mosaic and would like to try jewels. The ones I have in mind are hollow in the center, only the edges would touch bottom, and I'm wondering if they will crack, too. Or do you think I would be safer sticking to jewels that are solid? If nobody has any info guess I'll just go ahead and make it a test mosaic. suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 17:37:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cs.com!RCall10713 From: RCall10713@cs.com To: lin@foxinternet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: newbie needs advise Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:48:23 EDT Message-ID: <1999May26.234823.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, glad to have you with us. I've used a car polisher (it must be a slow speed, random orbit, NOT an automotive circular grinder / sander with a polishing bonnet), to finish the waxing part, but gave it up, when I didn't see any real difference in time or effort. Try to be sure the way you are using is pure, such as 100% carnuba, and that you aren't applying too much. When I meet that criteria, polishing by hand is just as easy. Maybe others have a different experience. Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 18:12:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG weekend / vacation get-togethers Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:52:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990526165253.00955d20@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999May26.94045.0>> Precedence: bulk At 03:40 PM 5/26/99 -0600, you wrote: >All you guys and your get-togethers are making me real jealous. I notice no >one is planning a vacation to Salt Lake City (gee, I wonder why...?) So >here's my idea--let's start planning now for a big get-together during the >2002 Olympics. Anyone interested? ;-) > >Shari in SLC Put me on the list! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 18:41:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Mosaic Question Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:52:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May26.155210.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "suzy@comcat.com" >Has anybody used jewels in mosaics, do they eventually crack? I know for= = a fact that rondels will crack over time from the pressure of the grout.<= Don't know about jewels, but nuggets are fine. Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo Art Glass Ensembles & Ensemble Pro Musica 254 S. 9th St., North Wales, PA 19454-2914 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed May 26 22:36:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "AA_Instar Glass" , Subject: NG Apology Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:32:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May26.143211.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Everyone who was offended by length of last post, I will try to address people directly, instead of sending to the list. I understand that some pay for their internet connections by the character, and not by the hour, or month. Again, sorry for the inconvenience that was caused. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org page with some stained glass stuff on it,,, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 27 07:36:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: just learning Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:10:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May27.41024.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BEA820.C15BEEC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0022_01BEA820.C15BEEC0" ------=_NextPart_001_0022_01BEA820.C15BEEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, I'm new to the list and very much in the learning process. 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I'm new to the list and very much in the learning process. I have = about a=20 million questions but I will start out with two. 1. When working on a = round or=20 oval piece how do you keep the pieces secured on your pattern so that = you get a=20 nice tight fit when you are done.  2. How do you keep the foil from = tearing=20 or the edges splitting when making very sharp corners and angles? Any=20 suggestions will be appreciated.
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Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: just learning Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:48:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May27.94849.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Monica" >I have about = a million questions but I will start out with two. 1. When working on a =3D= round or oval piece how do you keep the pieces secured on your pattern =3D= so that you get a nice tight fit when you are done. 2. How do you keep =3D= the foil from tearing or the edges splitting when making very sharp =3D corners and angles? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks.< Hello there Monica. Welcome to bungi. I hope I can help with your first 2 questions out of a million. I like to use a flexible thin metal tape measure to help bring the pattern pieces into the round/oval shape. I layout the pieces on top of my soldering desk (which is a cork bulletin board), then tack down one end of the tape measure, and gently encircle the panel. Tighten up the tape measure until you've got the round/oval in place. Tack down all edges and solder. As to the foiling problem, are you using a foiling machine or doing hand foiling? In either case, the tearing is probably caused by: a) too much tension on the foil when crossing from one plane to another - solution - relax the tension just a bit when crossing the edge. b) the edge/tip was not ground enough to remove the sharp tip - solution - briefly grind the tip. Hope to hear more from you! Christie Wood Art Glass Ensembles & Ensemble Pro Musica 254 S. 9th St., North Wales, PA 19454-2914 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu May 27 13:32:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:21:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: claramail.com!dorfman From: "Heather" To: oppseek282k@atlanttis.clnet.cz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: MAKE UP TO $100 PER PERSON EACH MONTH! FREE INFOPAK! Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: <199905271928.VAA05219@atlanttis.clnet.cz> Precedence: bulk PHASE 1 EARN $10 PER PERSON EACH MONTH! PHASE 2 EARN $100 PER PERSON EACH MONTH! 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I have about = >a million questions but I will start out with two. 1. When working on a = >round or oval piece how do you keep the pieces secured on your pattern = >so that you get a nice tight fit when you are done. 2. How do you keep = >the foil from tearing or the edges splitting when making very sharp = >corners and angles? Any suggestions will be appreciated. >Thanks. >Monica > Hi Monica... There's a couple of ways you can keep the pieces on in a round or oval secured. First, you could cut an oval the size of your piece in a sheet of panel board or plywood and then assemble your s.g. within that. Or, if it has a border, work on that first, then using press pins secure the border pieces of glass so they can't move around. Then assemble the center of your design inside. If your foil is tearing, check and see what thickness of copper foil you are using (note: not width...the width is likely 7/32"). Copper foil comes in three thicknesses or weights. Make sure you are using the medium weight. I've noticed that one store in my area has begun selling the lightest weight (1 mil) in an attempt to make the foil more affordable, I guess. Only problem is, it tears even for me on a sharp corner. You want at least 1.25 mil foil. Edges splitting may be a separate problem. Inside curves (concave) are where this most commonly happens. If it's happening on straight cuts, it's probably again due to too light foil. If its on an inside curve, try foiling just a part of the curve, then easing down the edges of the foil over the glass, then laying foil in another part of the curve and easing that down, etc. Be very gentle, and almost massage the foil as you're easing it over the glass and it should be okay. 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Please click below for permanent removal from this list: mailto:mlm2k@nettaxi.com?subject=remove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 28 23:07:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #105 Shari Higbee (Smith) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May28.192632.0> Precedence: bulk NAME: Shari Higbee (Smith) Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA REAL JOB: many (and typically a new one every 3 years=85), but currently Executive Recruiter (read =91headhunter=92). Previous lives have included pharmaceutical sales, marketing, advertising, accounting manager, etc. (I have an MBA and can=92t do a thing with it=85) MARITAL STATUS: Married 10 years to husband #2 Jake Smith; no kids (oops,= I mean one gray furry feline baby and another big 40+ child=85) I=92ve been doing glass for only about 3 years. I=92ve always been a =93c= rafty=94 type person, taking classes like calligraphy and tole painting and everything else I could find. (I take classes as a break from my stuffy professional life.) I got into glass by mistake. I kept signing up for a flower arranging course through one of our community educ. groups and eac= h quarter they canceled the class at the last minute due to lack of student= s. After about the third time of returning my money, they begged me to take = one of their other more popular classes=97like stained glass. I had absolutel= y no interest at all, but took it anyway. I remember my first night of class, asking the question =93how do we get = the stain on the glass=85?=94 I also remember everyone else looking at me str= angely=85 I remember I was the first person to bleed=97and I really bled. It was du= ring the very first =93break with your hands=94 effort, and I sliced open my k= nuckle, which bled for 24 hours and hurt for 6 months=85 After about 4 weeks of c= lass, I was 3 weeks behind everyone else, and not seeming to grasp the concept=85= I=92 m certain I was voted =93least likely to succeed=94 by the rest of the cl= ass. At that point, I got mad. It was not like me to not =93get it=94, especially= when =93it=94 was a crafty thing. So I called the teacher and spent the weeken= d at her house with some sympathetic one-on-one teaching to help me get caught up. By the end of the 8-week class, while the class was all finishing up their second project, I was cleaning up my first 5 projects. And once aga= in, everyone was looking at me strangely=85 I=92m sure I=92ve done more (and = spent far more $$) than any of the others since then. I was determined not to let glass have the best of me, and in the process, got addicted. My basement started looking like my local glass retailer. I drop by to pi= ck up a lb. of solder and spend $200 on glass that I don=92t need but saw an= d fell in love with. I own a few pieces that are far too pretty to ever do anything with. (This makes perfect sense to me, but is something my husba= nd can=92t quite grasp.) This past Christmas, my husband had his buddy (who builds kitchen cabinets for a living) build me a beautiful glass cabinet=97= all oak on the outside with white laminated cubby holes, etc. I was in heaven. I have made lots of small panels as gifts, stepping stones, and some mosaics. I got into boxes just before Christmas and that=92s a major love= of mine=97unfortunately, I couldn=92t stand to give them away! Working on a = couple of large panels for my living room windows now. Just finished an advanced lead class and made a big 5=92 x 2=92 panel for the bedroom. I own every = pattern book ever printed, and wish I had the imagination and creativity to desig= n my own. (working on it=85) Glass is my therapy. I spend as much time during the evenings as possible= in the garage, and almost every minute of weekends. I have taken over what m= y husband mistakenly thought was his workshop in the garage=97he had an old drafting table there, plus the previous owners had redone the kitchen and moved all the old kitchen cabinets out to the garage, so I have a neat little set-up. Only problem is it is too cold in the winter (have a coupl= e of space heaters going=97usually blow fuses!) and too hot in the summer. = I=92ve also discovered =93books on tape=94 and always have a book running in the cassette player. I can get through a couple of books a week this way, without taking time away from glass! Now if I could just figure out some way to not have to work so I could sp= end ALL my time this way=85 ;-) Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri May 28 23:24:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 104 Margo (Texas) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:21:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May28.192136.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick, Thanks so much for sending me all those bios! I've enjoyed reading through them. This list has a pretty diverse and talented group of people on it. Which is good, because I have a lot to learn when it comes to stained glass... I recently took my first class in stained glass from a wonderful local studio called Pearl Stained Glass. They specialize in architectural (mostly doors) projects (www.pearlstainedglass.com) and I am often found with my nose pressed to the glass checking out their new creations. There I learned the copper foil technique. I'm hoping to learn lead by the end of June. My real interest is in big stuff like doors and windows. Since my DH is an accomplished woodworker I should eventually have some pretty nice doors on my house. My full time job is chasing a six year old girl and two year old boy around the house. For this, I went to school and got an MBA? I used to be a financial analyst, but decided I wanted to do something more interesting. So I started my own business. I published a local magazine about pets for about 5 years. Through that I also ended up producing and writing numerous pet related shows for Houston's PBS station. From that I wound up with my own video production company (Creative Edge Productions). I still take on an occasional writing and video project and plan on turning up the volume when my oldest hits first grade this fall. I enjoy many, many hobbies. I dabble in sailing, windsurfing, hiking, gardening/hydroponics, quilting/wearable arts, martial arts, reading, photography, diving, and the internet. I've probably left some out, but my motto is "why be bored or 'normal'?" Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 00:43:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:02:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio # 104 Margo (Texas) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May28.2128.0> References: <<1999May28.192136.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the Bio Margo.... Good lord woman, I thought I was busy. I dont see how you could get bored if you tried! ;o) Send me some of that energy...if you get any extra, ok? Nice to meet you. T Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 08:10:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:30:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Be? / IAGC Las Vegas Show Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 06:30:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May28.233014.0> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Friends Be? I've been averaging 1 bungi message a day for the past 4 days! I'm in WITHDRAW, real bad. (Never tried heroine -- but I assert this is WORSE!) HEllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppp meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Going to International Art Glass Class Craft on Sunday June 13th in Long Beach, CA .... I'm going on public day with the Venice Beach, CA based Lighthouse Stained Glass group (They'll have a booth). Anyone else from Bungi going? Represented? Care? Alan EastGateXX@msn.com "If silence be good for the wise, how much better for fools" Anonymous I'll be silent! C'ya.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 08:23:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 07:45:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: garden stakes Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:44:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May29.24410.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! I've made (and sold) 29 garden stakes in the past 3 days. Not bad for someone in rural Saskatchewan (where there are almost NO stores! hee hee) and I just thought I'd pass on a few ideas I'd had , as a way of saying thank you to all those who helped me out! 1. Brazing rod: can be got at the Co-op hardware, Do It centers, auto electric places. It's around a buck a rod, which is about 3 feet long, and makes 2 stakes. It comes either in fluxed or plain, I found that the fluxed kind is more gold colored and the plain copper toned, so I prefer the copper, because tinning it takes a long time. I've been applying patina to the butterfly to match the rod, it seems to match pretty well. If all you can find is the fluxed kind, you can just soak it in hot water for a few minutes and then wipe it with a bit of steel wool, it comes right off. 2. Smaller stakes: I've been making 1 1/2 inch butterflies on either a piece of twisted copper wire (about 9" long) or a bit of the brazing rod, and selling them as "add on's" to florist & gift shops. They use them in floral arrangements or to 'top up' the price of a gift to what the customer would like to spend. 3. Garden Angels: been making simple little scrap angels, carrying a green glass leaf, hanging from a chain, with a copper S hook at the top. These hang from the apex of the chain of a hanging basket, and dangle just above the flowers, or from the sides of an urn. Very popular. Again, thanks to those who helped me start on this... Dawn Barker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 11:12:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: Subject: Re: Where are Bungi friends? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:55:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May29.45528.0> Precedence: bulk Alan wrote: I've been averaging 1 bungi message a day for the past 4 days! I'm in WITHDRAW, real bad. (Never tried heroine -- but I assert this is WORSE!) -------- I agree! I even wrote to Glenna to see if I was still subscribed. Are y'all off for glorious Memorial Day jaunts? Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 12:46:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Shari Higbee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Where are Bungi friends? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May29.8250.0> References: <<1999May29.45528.0>> Precedence: bulk ..spending my day with my soldering iron! ;o) Yep, glorious weekend...tomorrow I get to spend it with the vacuum cleaner..life is pretty exciting now a days! ;o) T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 14:21:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Where are Bungi friends? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 16:19:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May29.12194.0> References: <<1999May29.8250.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk i'M spending the weekend learning to use a friend bigger torch (gets much hotter) while my Carlysle Mini CC goes back to the factory for retrofit. Boy, does it get hotter, got to learn not to boil the glass all over again, but it sure makes pyrex a snap. Also loaned me the biggest Oxy tank I've ever seen. About 18 inches around and 5-6 ft tall. Hope I never have to move it myself. Pulling points all morning. Going to do some simple blown ornaments. But bungi is still going strong, everyone must be on "Holiday" Lee-back to blowing bubbles :))) Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > ..spending my day with my soldering iron! ;o) Yep, glorious > weekend...tomorrow I get to spend it with the vacuum cleaner..life > is pretty exciting now a days! ;o) > > T Suz > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 17:23:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Where are Bungi friends? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:53:19 EDT Message-ID: <1999May29.225319.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/29/99 3:47:23 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: >..spending my day with my soldering iron! ;o) Yep, glorious >weekend...tomorrow I get to spend it with the vacuum cleaner..life >is pretty exciting now a days! ;o) Enjoying a glorious sunny warm low-humidity day with every window in the house open and doing as little as possible. Trying desperately to keep my self-employed and far-too-conscientious other half from working (very hard to do since his mom needs so much help these days, we can't get away for more than 3-4 hours at a time). Abbie's "down the shore"........ lucky duck! Christie is exhibiting at the Pennsylvania Guild of Craftsmen Spring Craft Show at Tyler State Park. Anybody who's gonna be in the northeastern 'burbs of Philly and looking for something to do, stop in and say hi tomorrow.... it's open 10-5. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 19:17:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: "Lee Boe" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Where are Bungi friends? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:37:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1999May29.173757.0> References: <<1999May29.12194.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Lee, When you talk about blowing ornaments? How do you do it? Is it like glass blowing on a smaller scale? Do you use glass rods? Pyrex? What kind of tube to you use to blow. You have me very curious. Jerri spending the weekend learning to use a friend bigger torch (gets > much hotter) while my Carlysle Mini CC goes back to the factory for > retrofit. Boy, does it get hotter, got to learn not to boil the glass > all over again, but it sure makes pyrex a snap. Also loaned me the > biggest Oxy tank I've ever seen. About 18 inches around and 5-6 ft > tall. Hope I never have to move it myself. Pulling points all > morning. Going to do some simple blown ornaments. But bungi is still > going strong, everyone must be on "Holiday" > > Lee-back to blowing bubbles :))) > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 21:21:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 20:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Jerri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Where are Bungi friends? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:17:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999May29.171712.0> References: <<1999May29.173757.0>> Precedence: bulk Jeeeeerrrrrrriiii.... You better watchout girlfriend...looks to me like an addiction is forming..if you arent careful, we're gonna have to get together and do an intervention! Toss you into a 12 step hot glass program! Next thing you know, there'll be a post that Jerri just got a kiln! lol...I might have to confiscate that torch! ;o) Tell you what, I'll keep the 12 steppers at bay, go ahead...learn all you can..then you can teach me *that* too! Im just giggling here. How many beads did you make today? T Suz > Hi Lee, > > When you talk about blowing ornaments? How do you do it? Is it like > glass blowing on a smaller scale? Do you use glass rods? Pyrex? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat May 29 23:19:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 May 1999 22:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "Dawn Barker" To: "Glasslist" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Reply to Mary Lou Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:01:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1999May29.17116.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry, everyone... Mary Lou, I couldn't get through by private reply, so I'll have to post this though Bungi... You asked if I had any pictures of your creations. Well, they've been going so fast, the longest I've had any in hand was 4 hours from polishing to sale. Have hardly had a chance to look at them well myself. But it's a good idea, and I'll try to keep the next batch here long enough to do so and post them! : ) Dawn Marie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 30 07:48:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 May 1999 06:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Be? / IAGC Las Vegas Show Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 06:55:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May29.235556.0> References: <<9844-37500E21-13935@postoffice-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk I'll be there. I did look up your portable glass worktable on your internet sight. Looked great. Glad you'll be at the show. I'd like to see the real thing. Also, I liked your site. I just noticed the subject in my original message "... IAGC Las Vegas Show" ops. I of course meant the LONG BEACH SHOW. (But I'm sure YOU know that). Look forward to meeting you, and seeing your work. Also, thanks for the info re: bungi discounts! That's great. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Glass Tat-2 To: EastGateXX@msn.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Be? / IAGC Las Vegas Show > Hello fellow Bungi jumper!! > I to will be at the Long Beach show in booth #610. Stop by "Glass > Tattoo" and say hi. We will also have a booth in the retail area,selling > our new portable glass worktables and various oil lamps. Everybody that > stops by our booth with a business card or photo's of their work will > get a discount if we know your from the bungi-group. Happy cutting... > Larry > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 30 08:07:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 May 1999 07:23:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: IAGC LONG BEACH SHOW / First Garden Stone Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:22:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May30.02212.0> References: <<3750262D.C821F5AD@home.com>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who responded to my Where Oh Where Can My Bungi Be? message. I feel rejuvenated. Also, I'll be glad to write about the June IAGC- Long Beach Show. I'm looking forward to going. Finally, (I think), I've been making my first Garden Stone. What a joke. I thought it would be fun and easy and fast... "cause no foiling or soldering!" ... I'd just cut the glass (the part I love to do) and throw some cement on top of it and give it as a birthday gift. Easy, fast, and fun. Right? Wrong. I spent all day yesterday re-cutting and GRINDING ALL the pieces... got to have the space between he glass for the #*#(*^*& cement! Not to mention I only have the originally of the pattern - which is now soaking WET from the endless GRINDING I had to do (grinding, re-cutting, and grousing my life away for 1/8" more fill line!!!). So, now I've got to figure out a way to copy the distorted pattern onto the *&^*)*&^*&^ sticky paper. Not to mention, which I AM MENTIONING, the gift is for TODAY... and I found out that I've got to cure the (*^*&^%%$$$%# Garden Stone on pencils (???) for 21 - TWENTY ONE days -- BEFORE sealing it! So much for a "quick, easy and fun gift". The worse part - is -- and I mean the WORSE PART -- I've fallen in love with it and now refuse to give it away! I cut a matching window (to foil and solder) which will hang above it in MY GARDEN! Now... what to do in three hours as a GIFT for my very old and good friend? Flowers? Candy?.... hehehehheheh Seriously, now that I know what I didn't know about Garden Stones... I'll make more... MANY DAYS IN ADVANCE! ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Boe To: EastGateXX@msn.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Be? / IAGC Las Vegas Show > Some are here Alan, good to hear from you. I'm on the east coast so too > far to go. (Sarasota, Florida) I'd love to hear after your June trip > what all was there. Just real busy here. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > > EastGateXX@msn.com wrote: > > > > Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Friends Be? > > > > I've been averaging 1 bungi message a day for the past 4 days! > > > > I'm in WITHDRAW, real bad. (Never tried heroine -- but I assert this is > > WORSE!) > > > > HEllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppp > > meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. > > > > Going to International Art Glass Class Craft on Sunday June 13th in Long > > Beach, CA .... I'm going on public day with the Venice Beach, CA based > > Lighthouse Stained Glass group (They'll have a booth). Anyone else from > > Bungi going? Represented? Care? > > > > Alan > > EastGateXX@msn.com > > > > "If silence be good for the wise, how much better for fools" Anonymous > > > > I'll be silent! C'ya.... > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 30 10:14:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: att.net!r.wickline From: "Rebecca Wickline" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:57:54 -0400 Message-ID: <19990530165624.FIBZ19835@[12.79.197.221]> Precedence: bulk Sent a message the other day and I'm not sure it got through. Just testing. If it made it through please forgive the duplicate. I'm looking for a picture of a winged shoe (Hermes, Mercury) and an Aladdin lamp. I'm making a copy of our school seal and I can't get a good picture to follow from the picture of the seal I have. Thanks Becky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 30 13:42:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:34:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "BOB DUCHESNEAU" To: "Bungi" , "EastGateXX@msn.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: First Garden Stone Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:31:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May30.53124.0> Precedence: bulk >>I spent all day yesterday re-cutting and GRINDING ALL the pieces... got to have the space between he glass for the #*#(*^*& cement! Not to mention I only have the originally of the pattern - which is now soaking WET from the endless GRINDING I had to do (grinding, re-cutting, and grousing my life away for 1/8" more fill line!!!). << Some of us like a stepping stone to show about 50% glass and 50% cement. Close fitting of glass in a stepping stone is not always the way to go. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun May 30 14:43:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: Glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: First Garden Stone Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990530165225.006a1c10@scci.net> References: <<3750262D.C821F5AD@home.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Alan, I know it's a little too late now but when I make garden stones I go over my pattern with a thick black magic marker and then cut it out on either side of the black line with a regular pair of scissors. I hope you found a nice gift for your friend! Melissa > >I spent all day yesterday re-cutting and GRINDING ALL the pieces... got to >have the space between he glass for the #*#(*^*& cement! Not to mention I >only have the originally of the pattern - which is now soaking WET from the >endless GRINDING I had to do (grinding, re-cutting, and grousing my life >away for 1/8" more fill line!!!). So, now I've got to figure out a way to >copy the distorted pattern onto the *&^*)*&^*&^ sticky paper. Not to >mention, which I AM MENTIONING, the gift is for TODAY... and I found out >that I've got to cure the (*^*&^%%$$$%# Garden Stone on pencils (???) for >21 - TWENTY ONE days -- BEFORE sealing it! So much for a "quick, easy and >fun gift". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 31 07:23:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 May 1999 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" , Subject: re: First Garden Stone help Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:07:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May31.078.0> References: <<37518667.7BA334DD@ix.netcom.com>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn: Thank you! I am always moved by the commraderie and supportive spirit of Bungi people. It's such a great feeling to be contributed to. I appreciate your "receipe" for stones. Also, I went to your sight and love your work. I especially liked the design and textural approach to "navahoestone" and the geometric echoing in "fish stone". ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: EastGateXX@msn.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 11:41 AM Subject: Re: IAGC LONG BEACH SHOW / First Garden Stone > you want what I typed up awhile back about how I do my stones? > well..here, if you dont then you can just throw it away. > > I recommend taking notes each time you make a stone...it has helped > me... (how many, what size...how much cement and sand etc I used) > > Take care. If you want to see some of my stones, there are some in my > intrastar folder...my folder is called Suzanne o'Tulsa...not to be > confused with Suzanne from Pa's folder. > > http://www.intrastar.net/~ssuter/ > > Have fun.. > > Suzanne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Garden/Stepping Stones > > > > Be sure to have all of the following > > sg hammer, one side is rubber, and one side plastic (dont know what it is called) > face mask or respirator > rubber gloves, that go up your arm > large bucket > plenty of water, you will probably use more than you expected to... > White portland cement > fine light colored sand--be sure it is very clean sand > industrial blast sand--be sure it is very clean sand > stealth fiber > mold release (I use 880, available from concrete supply) > transparent contact paper > paper and pencil > > > Preparing the glass > > > I Use any stained glass pattern. I cut the pattern out with my copper foil shears. Lead shears would probably be better, but I dont have them. I do grind all my glass. You dont have to have > huge gaps, but you dont want your glass butt up against each other. > > Lay your glass out on your cartoon, cut your contact paper about an inch bigger than your glass all the way around. Peel off the paper, turn your sticky side toward your glass and fold the > non sticky side up toward you. Center the contact paper over your glass and gently lay the center on the glass and slowly lower it onto the glass both sides at the same time. Then starting in the middle rub the contact paper onto the glass smoothing out any air bubbles as you smooth, then burnish it well. Be careful not to cut your contact paper on edges of glass. > > Then turn your glass over, and cut the contact paper as close to the edge of the glass as possible, I use a razor blade. > > Prepare your mold with mold release. Doesnt take much at all. I use a piece of terry cloth to apply it. > > > Storing your cement > > I bought a big rubbermaid tub with a fitted lid for storing my cement. That is really a good idea, as it will absorb alot more moisture if left in the bag, then it will get lumpy and won't mix well. > > I suggest you start by looking in the yellow pages and trying to find a decorative concrete > company. > If you cant find one by looking in the phone book call construction contractors for a recommendation of a decorative concrete guy. > > The reason I say that ...is it may be alot easier to buy sand, fiber and release from him, as he buys in huge quantities. It is really hard to find the right stuff from home depot, lowes etc..... I havent found it elsewhere. I ran out of sand before my show and my concrete guy was on his honeymoon. The sand from home depot was awful. I buy my portland white cement from a concrete supplier here in Tulsa. The home repair stores dont carry it because it is expensive compared to gray, so nobody buys it. > > The quality of your sand will make a huge difference in the texture of your stones. > > Every concrete guy I have talked to on the phone was very nice and more than willing to talk to me or give me advice. I dont think they are used to people > being interested in what they do or how they do it, and you arent their competition. I understand they are *very* competitive amonst themselves. > > I measure my cement and sand with measuring cups, and mix with my hands in the bucket. I dig my hand to the bottom and mix mix mix. I put it in the molds with my hands, and smooth etc with my hands. I bought a trowel, and used it once, tossed it down, went back to my hands and havent used it since. > > The correct mix is 3 parts sand to 1 part cement. You add water to the consistancy you prefer to work with. > > I use a pretty thin pour compared to other stained glass people, again this was the recommendation of the concrete guy. I have also found I like the my stones better > this way, as I have mixed a little thicker as well. > > Most sg people say the topping mix should be like frosting...I go thinner. I can scoop it up with my hands hands...but it will not hold its' shape. Think melting icecream easy to stir. > > I mix the concrete a little thicker but not that much. The only difference between my topping mix and my concrete is the sand. I use only fine sand in the topping mix, then half fine, half > blast for the concrete. There is no way you could form it into a ball. (most sg people tell you to do that) > > > Mix your sand and cement together dry, until you feel like each grain of sand has cement on it. > A concrete book I have says to think of your cement as glue and that your sand is what you are > gluing together. You cannot over mix concrete. > > Also, concrete people cure slowly. The slower you cure your concrete the stronger it will become. The temperature is important when you are making stones. It should ideally be at least 60 degrees. If the temperature drops to 40 degrees or below curing stops. It will also mix easier if the cement and sand is warm. > > I unmold my stones after about 12 hours, and clean the top/glass. I use a straight edge razor blade. I have never scratched the glass this way. If you have little air holes you can mix up a little topping mix and rub the top of the stone. Then just wipe it off. > > I very rarely make only one stone at a time, so I unmold one at a time, clean it up, then start on the next one, once they are all cleaned up, then if there are any little air bubbles I want to work on I either do it then or anytime after that. > > Clean up your stone immediately after unmolding, if you wait until it is dry, you wont be able to clean up your glass. It gets stronger every minute the air is touching it. > > Professional concrete people have fogging rooms to keep the cement damp. They say that the longer it is wet the stronger. My concrete guy suggested that I soak my stones completely submerged for 24 hours the day after I take them out of the molds. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont...depends on if I have time or space. I do squirt them down regularly with water from a squirt bottle for at least a day or two. > > Concrete will continue to strengthen for up to 50 years, I am told. They wont be cured enough for our purposes for at least 30 days. The strength of the stone will be obvious to you...when you have a stone a month old or older and a freshly made green stone. > > Be gentle with your new stones. Set them down gently, or you could chip off edges (even though it is on the back) and will look sloppy if you intend to sell them. > > I dont baby them taking them out of the molds, however. You can turn the mold upside down and hold it 3-4 inches over your table and drop it. That usually pops it right out. You can > hold it upside down on your table, one edge of the mold on the table while holding the other edge, then press in the center with your other hand. (sort of like an ice cube tray) > > As far as the amount of fiber to use... Go for about 2 tbsp at first, mix it with your dry sand and cement. When your stone is out of the mold, and you look across the backside of the concrete, the side that will go to the ground you should see some hairs sticking up..if you dont, add more next time. > > topping mix > > 3 parts *all* fine sand > 1 part cement > stealth fiber > > concrete > > 3 parts sand (I mix this 1/2 fine and 1/2 blast) > 1 part concrete > stealth fiber > > If I need 8 pounds of concrete, I mix 6 (3 fine + 3 blast) cups sand with 2 cups cement. > Think of the cement as glue, and the sand as what you are gluing together. > > Mix well to the point that you are confident that every grain of sand is coated in cement, then start adding water. > > I use a big bucket that bird seed comes in. And have plently of water ready to pour in as needed. I add a little at a time to get the consistancy I want. Experiment with the consistancy. > > I got excellent results by my 2nd pour. The biggest problems I had, was I didnt trim my contact paper close enough to my glass at first. I use a straight edge razor, and trim the contact paper as close to the glass as possible. > > > For an 8x4 inch paver you need > 2 cups topping mix > 3 cups concrete > > for a 14" round > 7 cups topping mix > 14 cups concrete > > for an 8x8 square > 3 cups topping > 6-7 cups concrete > > For a 16 inch Hex stone you will need > 9 cups of topping mix > 19 cups concrete > > > Stained glass people say that the dryer your mix the stronger your stone. That is the opposite of the advice I have gotten when reading about concrete and from talking to my concrete guy. > > I decided to take his advice, mainly because he has been doing this for a long time, and concrete is his entire business. I figure he knows more about it. > > I think I have covered all the basics here. If you have any questions or think of something I left out...email me. If you'd like a sample of the sand I use, let me know. I will give you my snail mail address and if you'll send me a self addressed stamped envelope, I'll be happy to send you samples of both my fine sand and blast sand, and the fiber. > > It really is easy, and a pretty good work out! ;o) > > Enjoy. Let me know if you have any questions. > > Suzanne > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 31 08:23:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 May 1999 07:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!EastGateXX From: "EastGateXX@msn.com" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: First Garden Stone Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:28:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May31.02812.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19990530165225.006a1c10@scci.net>> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Precedence: bulk Melissa (and everyone else that sent tips/counsel/advice): Your tip is NOT too late -- for the next stone! Good idea! Thanks for all the support. I ended up falling in love with the stone... but, after all, I made if for my friend and gave it to my friend. I took it to the barbecue and everyone there was so enamored with it that I got a better gift for myself by giving it away. Besides the great comments on the stone I loved it when I was introduced to people as "Artist-In-Residence"! It was a lot of fun. My friend was thrilled with the stone and kept saying he wouldn't put it in his garden - he wanted to HANG IT! I finally convinced him that having a luxury item in his garden was a great idea. He kept saying he wanted it where everyone could see it. "How much better, to discover it in your garden!", I replied. He finally agreed. (Thankfully, since 1) it wasn't made to hang! and 2) it's darn heavy!) So, cut grounded sore fingers and all the learning aside -- how great it is to create something that gives so much pleasure to the reciever AND giver. Thanks to all who responded. Now... next project...... hmmmmmmmmm? ----- Original Message ----- From: Melissa Hall To: Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 1:52 PM Subject: First Garden Stone > Hi Alan, > I know it's a little too late now but when I make garden stones I go over > my pattern with a thick black magic marker and then cut it out on either > side of the black line with a regular pair of scissors. I hope you found a > nice gift for your friend! > > Melissa > > > >I spent all day yesterday re-cutting and GRINDING ALL the pieces... got to > >have the space between he glass for the #*#(*^*& cement! Not to mention I > >only have the originally of the pattern - which is now soaking WET from the > >endless GRINDING I had to do (grinding, re-cutting, and grousing my life > >away for 1/8" more fill line!!!). So, now I've got to figure out a way to > >copy the distorted pattern onto the *&^*)*&^*&^ sticky paper. Not to > >mention, which I AM MENTIONING, the gift is for TODAY... and I found out > >that I've got to cure the (*^*&^%%$$$%# Garden Stone on pencils (???) for > >21 - TWENTY ONE days -- BEFORE sealing it! So much for a "quick, easy and > >fun gift". > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 31 12:27:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 May 1999 11:56:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@pacbell.net To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: IAGC LONG BEACH SHOW / First Garden Stone Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:48:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1999May31.4487.0> References: <<1999May30.02212.0>> Precedence: bulk Wish I could have gone this year ...I'm in SF and it's so close. But family emergencies this weekend have cause cancellation of the trip... Speaking for myself, I'd love to hear a detailed report of all the "neat stuff" you see at the show !! Best regards, Cheryl Ryder EastGateXX@msn.com wrote: > Thanks to all who responded to my Where Oh Where Can My Bungi Be? message. > > I feel rejuvenated. > > Also, I'll be glad to write about the June IAGC- Long Beach Show. I'm > looking forward to going. > > Finally, (I think), I've been making my first Garden Stone. What a joke. I > thought it would be fun and easy and fast... "cause no foiling or > soldering!" ... I'd just cut the glass (the part I love to do) and throw > some cement on top of it and give it as a birthday gift. Easy, fast, and > fun. Right? Wrong. > > I spent all day yesterday re-cutting and GRINDING ALL the pieces... got to > have the space between he glass for the #*#(*^*& cement! Not to mention I > only have the originally of the pattern - which is now soaking WET from the > endless GRINDING I had to do (grinding, re-cutting, and grousing my life > away for 1/8" more fill line!!!). So, now I've got to figure out a way to > copy the distorted pattern onto the *&^*)*&^*&^ sticky paper. Not to > mention, which I AM MENTIONING, the gift is for TODAY... and I found out > that I've got to cure the (*^*&^%%$$$%# Garden Stone on pencils (???) for > 21 - TWENTY ONE days -- BEFORE sealing it! So much for a "quick, easy and > fun gift". > > The worse part - is -- and I mean the WORSE PART -- I've fallen in love with > it and now refuse to give it away! I cut a matching window (to foil and > solder) which will hang above it in MY GARDEN! > > Now... what to do in three hours as a GIFT for my very old and good friend? > Flowers? Candy?.... hehehehheheh > > Seriously, now that I know what I didn't know about Garden Stones... I'll > make more... MANY DAYS IN ADVANCE! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lee Boe > To: EastGateXX@msn.com > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Be? / IAGC Las Vegas Show > > > Some are here Alan, good to hear from you. I'm on the east coast so too > > far to go. (Sarasota, Florida) I'd love to hear after your June trip > > what all was there. Just real busy here. > > > > Lee Boe > > Rain-Boe's Creations > > > > EastGateXX@msn.com wrote: > > > > > > Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Friends Be? > > > > > > I've been averaging 1 bungi message a day for the past 4 days! > > > > > > I'm in WITHDRAW, real bad. (Never tried heroine -- but I assert this is > > > WORSE!) > > > > > > HEllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppp > > > meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. > > > > > > Going to International Art Glass Class Craft on Sunday June 13th in Long > > > Beach, CA .... I'm going on public day with the Venice Beach, CA based > > > Lighthouse Stained Glass group (They'll have a booth). Anyone else from > > > Bungi going? Represented? Care? > > > > > > Alan > > > EastGateXX@msn.com > > > > > > "If silence be good for the wise, how much better for fools" Anonymous > > > > > > I'll be silent! C'ya.... > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 31 14:58:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 May 1999 14:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: deskmail.com!telephone1 From: "Martin" To: netsurfer39m@deskmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: ONCE IN A LIFETIME Opportunity Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:55:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199905312130.XAA13147@asn-ibk.ac.at> Precedence: bulk Start your own 1-900 business or Adult Web Site Business! 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ACT NOW!!! =46or a free color brochure: reply to: mailto:bbett@mailme.net?subject=3Dbrochure with the following information please: NAME:____________________________ ADDRESS:____________________________ CITY/STATE/ZIP:____________________________ PHONE:____________________________ (optional) remove at: mailto:cartoon512@dbzmail.com?subject=3Dremove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 31 19:35:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 May 1999 18:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Staying Cool Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:33:10 EDT Message-ID: <1999Jun1.13310.0> Precedence: bulk Well I found a great way to stay cool today in the 94 degree heat, I'm sorry but in Upstate NY it's not supposed to be in the 90's in May-YUK! I went in my basement and worked on glass. It was the only cool place in the entire house to be. I know all winter long I complained that it was too cold in the basement to work on glass, I'm remembering that quite clearly right now, grinding glass when it was 55 degrees. Last summer I took the entire summer off from glass, not this summer I am too addicted and too damn hot! I hope you all had a wonderful holiday weekend, so far no weather tragedies that I have heard of, last Memorial day we even had tornadoes here in Upstate NY. Oh it feels so good to have stayed cool and accomplished something at the same time! Hope you all do the same. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon May 31 21:42:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Staying Cool Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:12:26 -0400 Message-ID: <199906010313.XAA24768@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 5/31/99 9:33 PM mschatee@juno.com mschatee@juno.com >Well I found a great way to stay cool today in the 94 degree heat, I'm >sorry but in Upstate NY it's not supposed to be in the 90's in May-YUK! >I went in my basement and worked on glass. It was the only cool place in >the entire house to be. I know all winter long I complained that it was >too cold in the basement to work on glass, I'm remembering that quite >clearly right now, grinding glass when it was 55 degrees. Last summer I >took the entire summer off from glass, not this summer I am too addicted >and too damn hot! I am so jealous. Here in the 94 degree heat in Pennsylvania, I've been slaving away in my *upstairs* studio, which I moved out of the basement a few years ago. It's wonderful 9 months out of 12. It's tough being addicted! suzanne albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass