From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 04:49:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 04:08:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: Shay Friel To: Mosfunland@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass, school project Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.2525.0> References: <<1999Feb28.204045.0>> Precedence: bulk I tried to send this and it came back saying the the user is over quota!! I guess that they are getting plenty of email. Shay PS Will try again later. Mosfunland@aol.com wrote: > > I am sending this along to the list, only because its from a group of school > kids. I realize our list has members from all over the world, and perhaps you > can drop them a note. My apologies if I offend anyone by sending this, I > don't usually do it. I can just imagine a map with all the pushpins in it. > They have a flag from Phila., PA now... Maureen > > We are a fourth grade class at Sieden Prairie School in Matteson, Illinois. > Our class has 16 boys and 7 girls. Our school has 360 students. > We decided to map an email project for our school because we were curious > to see how far email can travel by Internet in the United States. > Our project will last just two months, beginning January 22, 1999 and ending > March 22, 1999 > We would like your help. We ask that: > 1. If you receive our email letter, could you email our class > back telling us your location. Our email address is.... > fourthgrade4b@yahoo.com > > 2. Also, please send our class letter on to 2 more people. >> > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 05:19:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 05:00:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: got almost all the pieces cut out!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:47:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199903011259.MAA11443@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk giving peoples butts some grip in the saddle > snip< > Just don't use too much....... 'cause if do and your horse gets spooked and > throws you, you could end up on the ground with your britches looking like > Toby got hold of 'em! > > > Sparks, who never learned to drive one o' them cock-eyed critters....... > ....neither has Toby; who prefers to stand on the "safe" side of the fence and shout at them.... ;-> E 'n T in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 05:36:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 05:01:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Save it all.... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:47:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199903011259.MAA11419@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, ....All the grease was carefully mopped up with toast, thank you. Sorry Kathe, remembered the mushrooms this time.... you'll have to come again soon ;-> Was also told that bacon THIS side of the Pond has far more meat on it, then Over There tee-hee! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Abbie Mason wrote: > Toby, don't forget to save the bacon grease! Glad yall had a grand ole' > time.... ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 05:54:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 05:28:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Nonglass, school project (so-called) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:34:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199903011327.IAA14301@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I tried to send this and it came back saying the the user is over > quota!! I guess that they are getting plenty of email. Yes, and their Internet Service Provider must be hopping mad, since what's being done is a form of spamming. Wouldn't it be interesting if the kids didn't even exist, nor their project? It just could be that the ISP has a disgruntled customer who sent out the message knowing that hundreds of thousands of people would dump email messages at the address, thus overloading the ISP's servers and effectively shutting down all of their customers' email capabilities (which is what'll happen) and putting them out of business for as long as the tidal wave of email keeps coming in. Could be weeks ... months even! The invitation to ask two of your acquaintances to also respond to the message (and, of course, those two to ask two of *their acquaintances to do the same) is a hint that this isn't on the up and up. After all, if the kids are investigating how far away their email will get (where the heck is the teacher who's supervising this!?), only the primary messages would be of interest, not the secondary messages. My 2c Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 06:23:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 06:02:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Toby'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Save it all....NG Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:02:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.4211.0> Precedence: bulk Lean pigs...from being chased around the garden by Toby. Linda, whose neighbor just gave her 25 lbs of home made whole hog sausage. Mmmmmm! -----Original Message----- From: Toby [SMTP:toby@northlights.co.uk] Was also told that bacon THIS side of the Pond has far more meat on it, then Over There tee-hee! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 08:41:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 07:25:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: software Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:11:19 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Good Morning List, Does anyone know of an inexpensive software program for stained glass that would run on a Macintosh computer. I would love to try to turn some of my photos into patterns. Thanks Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 09:36:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:14:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Info on John Lisle please Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:14:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.11458.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've had an inquiry about John Lisle. He is a british or scottish stained glass artist who designed windows for the Washington National Cathedral in 1910. Does anyone have information on him? Thanks, Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 10:06:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:45:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Elleni Drafts'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: software Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:46:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.74621.0> Precedence: bulk IF you have a scanner, there is a nice piece of software called Adobe Photo Deluxe (or $50 retail) that has a feature that makes outlines of photos. Export this to Clairis Works or Canvas and away you go. Linda [Linda Campbell] Good Morning List, Does anyone know of an inexpensive software program for stained glass that would run on a Macintosh computer. I would love to try to turn some of my photos into patterns. Thanks Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 10:21:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:20:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass, school project (so-called) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:07:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.4718.0> References: <<199903011327.IAA14301@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk There is a bonifide school with that name - checked it out (g). But, I think their teacher is computer impaired to tell the kids to do this. Carol T Albert Lewis wrote: > > I tried to send this and it came back saying the the user is over > > quota!! I guess that they are getting plenty of email. > > Yes, and their Internet Service Provider must be hopping mad, since > what's being done is a form of spamming. Wouldn't it be interesting > if the kids didn't even exist, nor their project? It just could be > that the ISP has a disgruntled customer who sent out the message > knowing that hundreds of thousands of people would dump email > messages at the address, thus overloading the ISP's servers and > effectively shutting down all of their customers' email capabilities > (which is what'll happen) and putting them out of business for as > long as the tidal wave of email keeps coming in. Could be weeks ... > months even! > > The invitation to ask two of your acquaintances to also respond to > the message (and, of course, those two to ask two of *their > acquaintances to do the same) is a hint that this isn't on the up and > up. After all, if the kids are investigating how far away their email > will get (where the heck is the teacher who's supervising this!?), > only the primary messages would be of interest, not the secondary > messages. > > My 2c > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 10:35:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:28:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: illness/unsubscribe Date: Mon Mar 1 09:26:44 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.7444.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6406.5B630530-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 10:36:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: John Lisle Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:14:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.21413.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi again, Don't even ask why or how I get myself into these things :) Now, John Lisle was a ghost designer and also was Director for a short time of the C.E. Kempe Co. in London. He designed the first windows (out of 200) placed in the Washington National Cathedral and five or six windows in Bethlehem Chapel. O.k. Elizabeth, Pawel, Elisabeth, Brian who else can I tag here. Help! Thanks, Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 11:37:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:04:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: software Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:02:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.3251.0> Precedence: bulk I use American Bevel's Designer II software. I like it. Many people use Dragonfly's "The Glass Eye" software. They have different styles and advantages/disadvantages. Pretty much a matter of personal preference. Neither will run directly on a Mac though. If you have a Power Mac you can run it in Windows mode fine (I know one person who runs Designer this way and has had no problems). However, if you have a Mac model which will not run Windows software, I do not know of any stained glass program. Several of the generic cad/cam programs have Mac versions, but you are generally talking a much higher price for those. Neither of the two programs above will directly convert a scanned image of a design. Both allow you to scan an image and then trace the design over it though. I prefer Designer II for this because the multiple layers allow the scan and various portions of the line trace and fill colours to be hidden and/or moved then returned so you can see them separately. Last time I checked The Glass Eye only allowed two layers which I found too restrictive for this work. If a newer version of The Glass Eye fixes this, someone please let the group know. If you have any of the Adobe photo products (many scanners come with Adobe Photo Deluxe included now), you can use the "Outline", "Trace", and various Fill functions to modify your scanned image before loading it into one of the stained glass programs. The Adobe "Trace" function will snap a traced line to a contrasting edge in a photo. You can then use the other functions to clarify this trace so you can work with it better in the stained glass program. Unfortunately however neither of the two programs mentioned above will directly read the Adobe trace lines, you need an expensive cad/cam program to do this. The URL's for the two software packages are: http://www.dfly.com/ http://www.americanbevel.com/ Both have been reviewed in past issues of Common Ground: Glass avaliable on the IGGA web site at http://www.igga.org/menua.htm -----Original Message----- From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 9:46 AM Subject: software >Good Morning List, > >Does anyone know of an inexpensive software program for stained glass that >would run on a Macintosh computer. I would love to try to turn some of my >photos into patterns. > >Thanks > > >Elleni >ellenid@earthlink.net >South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 11:57:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:22:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele Spruill" To: dbarker@sk.sympatico.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: glass cements & glues Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:20:52 PST Message-ID: <1999Mar1.192052.0> Precedence: bulk Dawn, I have fired glass in a big old ceramic kiln for several months now. Most of the time it works out well, we have had one or two crisises, but most of the time I have had success. I figure it is better to under-fire than over-fire, so I'd recommend to start conservatively. I'm just now starting to work with a glass kiln and see where there is much less guess work involved with it. Use what you have available- it's better than nothing and you can learn a bunch in the mean time! Michele >From: D Barker >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: glass cements & glues >Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:50:45 -0600 > >Greetings, fellow glass artists. > >My name is Dawn Barker, and I'm a married, 33 year old mother of 3/gym >coach & choreographer/glass artist/homemaker/herbalist/astrology >nut/gardener. And a muddle-minded Piscean, with several planets in the >12th house. (Yes, it does make for a rather busy and confusing >existence). I've been doing stained glass, on and off, for 18 years >now, and have made pieces with copper foil, leading, patio stone >technique and mosaic. I live in rural Saskatchewan, Canada, in a town >of only 500 people. (In fact, I've got mail addressed only to: Dawn, >Arcola, Sask.. No kidding! ) > >The lady I learned from was a Dutch artist, who used (among the others) >a technique of mosaic in which glass was fitted quite snugly and then >cemented in place with a special glass epoxy which turned opaque when >dried. I seem to remember that it came in a white pail, about 1/2 >gallon size, from the U.S. Unfortunately, I was unable to get the name >of the stuff before she moved. (The consistency was a lot like mixed >Diamond Crete, without the grit, but that doesn't work. I know. I've >tried.) I really didn't try too hard to get it either, cause I was >'into' copper foil method at the time. *sigh* > >I've used 5 minute epoxy in small suncatchers since, and it works well, >but she had done larger pieces (over a foot square) with this stuff, and >I really can't see cleaning up a whole foot of glass... the cleanup with >the 5 minute kind is really sort of exhausting! : ) > >Another thing I was wondering about... my parents have a big old pottery >kiln that I'd like to try to slump glass in... if I can. Is this >possible, or will I just end up making as big a mess as in the 70s when >I ironed one of my cool rayon shirts on "high" with their iron? *cringe* >I can still smell that baby... That is to say... does one have to have a >special 'glass kiln' or can one use a pottery one? > >Thanks all for your help! > >Dawn > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 13:41:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:20:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Glass@Bungi.com" Subject: IBM Software? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:11:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.5119.0> Precedence: bulk Ok... the mac has software... How about the IBM... Anyone use DESIGNER II? Any better ways to go for designing and printing patterns on an IBM? Thanks. Alan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 14:11:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:59:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: glass caddy's Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:55:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar1.215519.0> Precedence: bulk In the attempt to keep expenses down and my workstation organized I discovered that Office Depot had vinyl covered wire file z styled racks for $6.00 that were perfect for storing several sheets of glass. You might want to check it out ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 14:41:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:50:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: soldering question Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:48:28 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar1.214828.0> Precedence: bulk Quite some time ago I mentioned I was working on my first project. Well, I have finished tacking, tinning two sides, and beading the side that is going to be soldered on top of a brass (questionable content there) ring. Each step was followed according to my book. Before I put the bead solder on I cleaned the project with a commercial glass cleaner to remove flux and then started the bead solder. Nowhere do I read whether the bead has to be applied to both sides of the project. Do I do both sides or the side that will be displayed only? Also after beading the book says to wash with dishsoap mixed with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda?)to neutralize. To nuturalize what? It also doesn't not give percentages for the mixture. Does anyone do that? I ended up just using dishsoap (dawn) and did not immerse it in water but rinsed in warm water. What goes--works here? Now I am planning on putting copper patina on it and will finish it off with a finishing compound. However the book says after applying patina to clean the project thoroughly with warm water and a neutralizing solution which is what? and why does it have to be neutralized? After the finishing compound is applied the project is maintained with an ammonia-free commercial window cleaner. Any suggestions as to brand as I though all commercial window cleaners had ammonia in it. One last question. After all this is done when do I solder the ring to the project and do I wrap foil around the ring at solder contact points or copper wire (what gauge if this is the way to go). Thanks for all the help :-) Shirley G ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 15:11:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:28:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Info on John Lisle please Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:27:16 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990301222716.007a4900@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1999Mar1.11458.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:14 01/03/99 -0800, Pam wrote: >Hi all, > >I've had an inquiry about John Lisle. He is a british or scottish >stained glass artist who designed windows for the Washington National >Cathedral in 1910. Does anyone have information on him? > Dont have any info myself, but the first people I would ask in UK would be the British Society of Master Glass Painters. Their secretary Ruth Cooke is very helpful to enquirers and is at bsmgp@dircon.co.uk. good hunting EliZabeth in Bournemouth ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 15:35:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:41:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: John Lisle Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:40:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.12401.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Pam- Have you checked with the Washington National Cathedral.... do they have = a web site? Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 16:14:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:02:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass caddy's Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.13556.0> References: <<1999Mar1.215519.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I have used these for several years for this purpose, they work well, and less expensive than the 'official' glass rack caddies. Next time I think I can do 3 weekend shows in a row, somebody please shoot me. Groaaannnnnn. And did not make even enough to meet expenses. !#@%@%_&_(_(^_(&$##@#$% !!!!! Lee SGriffiSBG@aol.com wrote: > > In the attempt to keep expenses down and my workstation organized I discovered > that Office Depot had vinyl covered wire file z styled racks for $6.00 that > were perfect for storing several sheets of glass. You might want to check it > out > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 16:33:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:42:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: SGriffiSBG@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering question Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.134151.0> References: <<1999Mar1.214828.0>> Precedence: bulk SGriffiSBG@aol.com wrote: > > Quite some time ago I mentioned I was working on my first project. Well, I > have finished tacking, tinning two sides, and beading the side that is going > to be soldered on top of a brass (questionable content there) ring. Each step > was followed according to my book. > > Before I put the bead solder on I cleaned the project with a commercial glass > cleaner to remove flux and then started the bead solder. Nowhere do I read > whether the bead has to be applied to both sides of the project. Do I do both > sides or the side that will be displayed only? > > Also after beading the book says to wash with dishsoap mixed with sodium > bicarbonate (baking soda?)to neutralize. To nuturalize what? It also doesn't > not give percentages for the mixture. Does anyone do that? I ended up just > using dishsoap (dawn) and did not immerse it in water but rinsed in warm > water. What goes--works here? > > Now I am planning on putting copper patina on it and will finish it off with a > finishing compound. However the book says after applying patina to clean the > project thoroughly with warm water and a neutralizing solution which is what? > and why does it have to be neutralized? > > After the finishing compound is applied the project is maintained with an > ammonia-free commercial window cleaner. Any suggestions as to brand as I > though all commercial window cleaners had ammonia in it. > > One last question. After all this is done when do I solder the ring to the > project and do I wrap foil around the ring at solder contact points or copper > wire (what gauge if this is the way to go). > > Thanks for all the help :-) Shirley G > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the bead will ususally go on one side, but if you want it on the back go ahead. a bit of soap a bit of baking soda. nothing fancy. your neutralizing the flux. if the flux stays on the solder will turn white. and the patina will not stick. the patina should be put on right after soldering (after cleaning though), or the patina may not come out as well. after you patina, clean it again with the soap and baking soda. you should solder right onto the ring, foil does'nt have that much strength. i use a glass cleaner caller CRL (i think), it's a foam based cleaner. another good cleaner is a glass cleaner with vinegar in it. it's usually a green color and kind of smells like apple jolly ranchers. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 16:56:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:49:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Michele Spruill" , Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass cements & glues Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:48:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.13489.0> Precedence: bulk We use only ceramic kilns for firing glass... mostly for glass painting. = If you acquire a used ceramic kiln that a potter has used, there are two things to consider - 1. Because ceramics are fired at a higher temperature, the kilns are worked harder and may not have as much "life" left in them, and 2. You should find out what glazes were fired in the kiln because some may contaminate your glass during firing. Otherwise, the kilns shouldn't present any problems in use as glass kiln= s. We are using Duncan and Skutt right now, would probably buy a Centre deVerre because the prices are great, and are familiar with Denver Glass Machinery kilns. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 17:19:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:56:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tiffany on TV tonight Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:54:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.135420.0> Precedence: bulk Reminder for all you Tiffany lovers: A & E - Biography on L.C.Tiffany at 8pm EST Enjoy! Dany http://www.city-net.com/~dany http://www.kennebec-inc.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 17:33:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:56:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tiffany on A&E tonight Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:57:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.125719.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! This is just a reminder to any that might be interested that the Tiffany biography is going to be on A&E tonight. Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 20:23:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:37:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Jewish Themed Patterns anyone? Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:37:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar2.33719.0> Precedence: bulk Would anyone out there happen to have any Jewish Themed patterns? I'd like to make a retirement gift for my rabbi and I thought before I designed my own someone may have something already designed. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, I have no ideas at this point I'm in the thought phase. Thanks in advance if anyone has any. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 20:43:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:01:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Sticking pattern pieces to glass Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:59:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.175954.0> References: <<1999Feb26.3646.0>> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > what I do is I use masking tape...very small pieces folded over...I > have also seen people use a spray adhesive.... I was taught to use good old Glue Sticks (from Dennison or other brands) that you can buy in any office supply store, to stick my pattern pieces to the glass. They come in a twist-up tube like a chapstick. I have tried both the "permanent" and "removable" types: they both seem to dissolve just fine in water. Works great every time. Seems to me this is much easier than the masking tape, and the pattern pieces stick quite tightly until you soak them off. Elizabeth Johnson dmj@cyberportal.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 20:53:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:28:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: soldering question Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199903020421.XAA24787@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/1/99 4:48 PM SGriffiSBG@aol.com SGriffiSBG@aol.com > >Before I put the bead solder on I cleaned the project with a commercial glass >cleaner to remove flux and then started the bead solder. Nowhere do I read >whether the bead has to be applied to both sides of the project. Do I do >both >sides or the side that will be displayed only? I don't think you need to wash before beading. >Also after beading the book says to wash with dishsoap mixed with sodium >bicarbonate (baking soda?)to neutralize. To nuturalize what? It also >doesn't >not give percentages for the mixture. Does anyone do that? I ended up just >using dishsoap (dawn) and did not immerse it in water but rinsed in warm >water. What goes--works here? To neutralize the flux. I just put a couple of drops of Joy and a handful of baking soda in a small tub of water. And then scrub with a nail brush. >Now I am planning on putting copper patina on it and will finish it off >with a >finishing compound. However the book says after applying patina to clean the >project thoroughly with warm water and a neutralizing solution which is what? >and why does it have to be neutralized? I don't do that. The one time I did, it spotted the patina and I had to start over. After patina, I wipe it off thoroughly with a paper towel (use gloves) and then put on the finishing compound. >After the finishing compound is applied the project is maintained with an >ammonia-free commercial window cleaner. Any suggestions as to brand as I >though all commercial window cleaners had ammonia in it. Sorry, dont. >One last question. After all this is done when do I solder the ring to the >project and do I wrap foil around the ring at solder contact points or copper >wire (what gauge if this is the way to go). I solder the ring to the project before the patina. Otherwise you'll have silver solder and will need to patina that. Extra work! No need to wrap foil around the ring. The ring should be made of "pre-tinned" copper and will solder fine with a bit of flux. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 21:20:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:47:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Jewish Themed Patterns anyone? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <199903020440.XAA26381@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/1/99 10:37 PM mschatee@juno.com mschatee@juno.com >Would anyone out there happen to have any Jewish Themed patterns? I'd >like to make a retirement gift for my rabbi and I thought before I >designed my own someone may have something already designed. It doesn't >have to be anything fancy, I have no ideas at this point I'm in the >thought phase. > >Thanks in advance if anyone has any. Judy Miller has a religious pattern book with several Jewish themes - star of David, kiddush cup, etc. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 1 22:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:08:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:57:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar1.135716.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Do you know what is so frustrating? I'm going to spill, I'm disappointed :( The great Cathedrals of the world Chartres, Cologne etc. Gothic architecture at it's finest and do you think they would even mention the stained glass artists? The stone workers? Who they were, what they were all about? Nope. Some of the finest glass work in the world, restorative daydreams are made of this stuff and any mention of the artists. Not even. Celebrated never, anonymity mostly. I will tell you this. The last two Cathedrals I have done research on I have had to go to the Library of Congress for documents. Elie from germany sent me a wonderful article from Restauro magazine with the help of Pawels suggestion that Restauro would be the best place to find this document I was looking for. Great, I received the documents. Want to know how long it took me to translate it, all in german, 8 pages long in small type. Oh mercy. I could have paid a translator sure, .14 cents a word, a word mind you, 8 pages of magazine type. I for one believe the U.S. needs a substantial restoration magazine such as the Europeans have. Restauro magazine is 108 years old for crying out loud! O.k. Albert, Shakeel, Dani, Christie, p.j. Here is a suggestion for the IGGA. Become the leading restoration magazine for the U.S. & hey you can even increase my IGGA fee a year I won't mind. Why is it that the U.S. is lacking in this department any suggestions? I will give the Europeans high marks on being the leaders, developers and wonders of the restoration processes. Yeah, I'll have americans disagree with me probably. We will never compete with the Europeans in this area, few in the U.S. do. And the ones here in the U.S. who do compete with the Europeans are a Julie Sloan etc. trained by the masters. Alright I'm done with my Andy Rooney comentary :) Ah, I feel much better now thanks. Pam ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 01:25:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:44:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Subject: Re: Pate de verre Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:24:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.8246.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Whilst having a rummage through my books to see if I could find anything on John Lisle for Pam (Sorry Pam - no luck!) I did find a reference to one Francois-Emile Decorchement who apparently is credited with the invention of the pate de verre technique. (Patrick Reyntiens 'The Beauty of Stained Glass' pg 154) I just thought somebody might be interested! Best regards BtB -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: 01 March 1999 18:09 Subject: Info on John Lisle please >Hi all, > >I've had an inquiry about John Lisle. He is a british or scottish >stained glass artist who designed windows for the Washington National >Cathedral in 1910. Does anyone have information on him? > >Thanks, > >Pam > > > >-- >********************************* > >Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists > >Moswood Mountain Limited >http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited >http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 04:58:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:13:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:11:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar2.12112.0> Precedence: bulk Glue sticks sounds great but if you have to soak them off that would mean immersing the project in water for a while. My book said that this immersion was not to be done (did not explain why however) so do I have to do that or not? thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 07:56:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:20:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Jewish Themed Patterns anyone? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.5031.0> Precedence: bulk I have a stained glass menorah (with glass "flames") for sale. It hangs in a window, and each day you add another "flame". If interested, please email me off-line and I'll send you the information. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 08:33:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:41:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: SGriffiSBG@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:39:34 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar2.153934.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/2/99 7:59:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time, SGriffiSBG@aol.com writes: << Subj: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: 3/2/99 7:59:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Glue sticks sounds great but if you have to soak them off that would mean immersing the project in water for a while. My book said that this immersion was not to be done (did not explain why however) so do I have to do that or not? thanks ------------------ Hi, I find the tape that is sold in the retail glass shops very helpful. It looks like masking tape, is very sticky on both sides and usually comes off without soaking. Let me know if you need the name. BTW, I understand the manufacturer is going out of business, so if anyone uses it, they should stock up now, as it will be no longer available sometime in the future. Lenore --------------- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:59:21 -0500 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id HAA17905; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:13:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:11:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar2.12112.0> Precedence: bulk >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 09:54:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:41:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: SGriffiSBG@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:39:34 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar2.153934.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/2/99 7:59:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time, SGriffiSBG@aol.com writes: << Subj: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: 3/2/99 7:59:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Glue sticks sounds great but if you have to soak them off that would mean immersing the project in water for a while. My book said that this immersion was not to be done (did not explain why however) so do I have to do that or not? thanks ------------------ Hi, I find the tape that is sold in the retail glass shops very helpful. It looks like masking tape, is very sticky on both sides and usually comes off without soaking. Let me know if you need the name. BTW, I understand the manufacturer is going out of business, so if anyone uses it, they should stock up now, as it will be no longer available sometime in the future. Lenore --------------- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:59:21 -0500 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id HAA17905; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:13:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:11:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar2.12112.0> Precedence: bulk >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 09:55:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:13:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:09:20 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199903021611.KAA21664@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Glue sticks sounds great but if you have to soak them off that would mean immersing the project in water for a while. My book said that this immersion was not to be done (did not explain why however) so do I have to do that or not? thanks --------------------- I've got to take my proverbial hat off to anyone who's got the gumption to try and teach herself from a book, but I'm glad you have bungi to advise you in alternate ways to approach things. You don't appear to be taking the book as gospel, which is good. I'm always amazed to hear from bungians some of the stuff they were taught. As they say "different strokes...." The studio where I've been hanging out for 10+ years changed hands a year or so ago and I've seen "upclose and personal" two very different approaches. Where the first guy was pretty rigid about the "right" way to do things, the new owner is more likely to say "this is what works best for me, but...." I suppose it may be confusing for beginners to have too much leeway, but I think it's worse to be told there's only one correct way to do something. I found my cutting was more accurate if I glued my pattern pieces to the glass, but owner #1 didn't approve, so I did my cutting at home and spent my studio time on other parts of the process. Another woman in the group prefers liquid to paste flux so she would do her soldering at home rather than invoke an argument. I guess I've used a lot of words to state the obvious. Try different products and procedures and see what works best and pleases you. I've found cleanup to be much easier if I use rubber cement to glue my pattern pieces to the glass--no need to soak. I've suggested the Glue Tube (rubber cement in a roller-ball tipped tube) to several people off-list. The only problem is that the paper won't adhere very well if it comes into contact with water on the grinder. On a really small piece, or one with a tight inside curve that requires grinding, I might use a regular glue stick or double- sided tape to better secure the paper. For what it's worth..... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 10:16:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:18:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: re: IBM Software? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:21:18 -0500 Message-ID: <199903021621.LAA08150@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Just back from England... my account later... I just could not resist this message :) Alan> From: "Alan Terry" Alan> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:11:09 -0800 Alan> Alan> Alan> Ok... the mac has software... Alan> Alan> How about the IBM... Do you mean the IBM compatible PC? It depends on which operating system you run. If you run Linux then you can get software for free that rivals expensive ones for Windows. Check out the Gimp (www.gimp.org) and xfig (included in most Linux distributions). My patterns (http://csg.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/glass/patterns) have been created with Xfig. It's a simple version of Corel Draw but it is sufficient for most stained glass applications. And it is free. Alan> Alan> Anyone use DESIGNER II? Any better ways to go for designing and printing Alan> patterns on an IBM? -- Daniel M. German "You could wind up belivin' that paradise is nothin' more than a feelin' Marillion -> that goes on in your mind." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 10:16:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:18:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:17:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.71713.0> Precedence: bulk I'm not sure if this has been said already but Rubber Cement works wonderful. The pattern just peels off and the cement rubs off very easily when done with cutting, grozing or grinding. Dany http://www.city-net.com/~dany -----Original Message----- From: Yegnim@aol.com To: SGriffiSBG@aol.com ; glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: Re: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS >In a message dated 3/2/99 7:59:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >SGriffiSBG@aol.com writes: > ><< Subj: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS > Date: 3/2/99 7:59:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time > From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > > Glue sticks sounds great but if you have to soak them off that would mean > immersing the project in water for a while. My book said that this immersion > was not to be done (did not explain why however) so do I have to do that or > not? thanks >------------------ >Hi, >I find the tape that is sold in the retail glass shops very helpful. It looks >like masking tape, is very sticky on both sides and usually comes off without >soaking. Let me know if you need the name. BTW, I understand the manufacturer >is going out of business, so if anyone uses it, they should stock up now, as >it will be no longer available sometime in the future. >Lenore >--------------- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by >air-za03.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:59:21 -0500 > Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id HAA17905; > Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:59:04 -0500 (EST) > Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:13:12 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) > X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG > From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Subject: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:11:02 EST > Message-ID: <1999Mar2.12112.0> > Precedence: bulk > > >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 10:39:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:48:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:53:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.55345.0> Precedence: bulk Pam...... Can I share your soap box In the old country there were many artists then called tradesmen who took great pride in the masterful work they did. And if you think about it , it was not only glass but wood, and stone and architecture, even a baker was an artist. There it was a family trade passed down to the sons having the same pride in there work. But then came the great thing of coming to America and the freedom. Here thinks were different. If you could get past the fact that you were not born here and your craft was appreciated, you could make a living. But the sons born here found they had more choices and many didn't want to work as hard as their fathers. So alot of the great artistic trades were lost over here. The need of pride in your work was not necessary to get your new bomb box. And so our society has become material related. No longer does the majority creat with a pride of ownership in their creations. They creat to have more goodies than their neighbor and the greed to have it first. The greed to have it first and do it easier (not hard work) has been the true mother of invention and technology. Look at the last 100 years and how far we have come. Agreed knowledge is a great thing if used in the proper perspective. But the greed to have more knowledge has lead to war, poverty, and death. Was all that necessary?? What I see in the bungians are people that want to bring the old pride back . If you look in other areas of craft you'll find others that are doing the same. And when you find people like this you will probably find that they would like to get back to some of the old basics, creating the things you need, growing your own food, bartering the skills of some one else, and helping someone else if need be. If you look at the last 10 years or so you can see this trend. And its good, there is pride and love in what we do. It's good for the self esteem, and for the soul. And with the millennium coming quickly , it may divide the ones who will have no problems from the ones who are totally lost. Enough.......... boy, did I get off on a tangent or what. Sorry to bend so many ears, but it just kept coming. I'll now turn the soap box over to anyone else, does anyone agree with me? Or am I in the south 40 somewhere? Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 1:46 AM Subject: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... >Do you know what is so frustrating? I'm going to spill, I'm disappointed >:( The great Cathedrals of the world Chartres, Cologne etc. Gothic >architecture at it's finest and do you think they would even mention the >stained glass artists? The stone workers? Who they were, what they were >all about? Nope. Some of the finest glass work in the world, restorative >daydreams are made of this stuff and any mention of the artists. Not >even. Celebrated never, anonymity mostly. > >I will tell you this. The last two Cathedrals I have done research on I >have had to go to the Library of Congress for documents. Elie from >germany sent me a wonderful article from Restauro magazine with the help >of Pawels suggestion that Restauro would be the best place to find this >document I was looking for. Great, I received the documents. Want to >know how long it took me to translate it, all in german, 8 pages long in >small type. Oh mercy. I could have paid a translator sure, .14 cents a >word, a word mind you, 8 pages of magazine type. I for one believe the >U.S. needs a substantial restoration magazine such as the Europeans >have. Restauro magazine is 108 years old for crying out loud! O.k. >Albert, Shakeel, Dani, Christie, p.j. Here is a suggestion for the IGGA. >Become the leading restoration magazine for the U.S. & hey you can even >increase my IGGA fee a year I won't mind. > >Why is it that the U.S. is lacking in this department any suggestions? I >will give the Europeans high marks on being the leaders, developers and >wonders of the restoration processes. Yeah, I'll have americans disagree >with me probably. We will never compete with the Europeans in this area, >few in the U.S. do. And the ones here in the U.S. who do compete with >the Europeans are a Julie Sloan etc. trained by the masters. Alright I'm >done with my Andy Rooney comentary :) > > >Ah, I feel much better now thanks. > >Pam > > >********************************* > >Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists > >Moswood Mountain Limited >http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited >http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 10:48:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:19:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Fwd: Dynasty kits using Chinese imports Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:22:03 -0500 Message-ID: <199903021822.NAA08406@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Shirley > From: Swinger Shirley > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:15:20 -0500 Shirley > Subject: Shirley > Shirley > I could never in good conscience be able to bring one of these Dynasty lamp Shirley > kits to a craft show and sell it as one of my own. What kind of a craft Shirley > show would allow the use of patterns and kits? Many don't design their own panels, suncatchers or lamps. They just copy somebody else's design. This goes a little further. A purist will say that if you don't design your own work then you are not a true stained glass artist. In a way is the same kind of argument you are making at a different level. Shirley > If they are used for this purpose I think they undermine the efforts of Shirley > those who are trying to make a living doing stained glass. There's no easy Shirley > way to increase your profits. You have to put in the work. If after a year Shirley > you find that you've only made about $2/hr then there must be something Shirley > wrong with your pricing policy. You shouldn't be working for nothing, Shirley > you're devaluing your own work. If you have a good product, the people who Following the previous reasoning, the fact that there are a lot of studios, many copying somebody else's work does in fact lower the prices. If Howard was the only person doing Tiffany copies, their prices will be higher because lack of competition. So in a way, we drive his prices down. We are in a competitive environment, as I have said in the past, the money we make is what the market is willing to pays us and we to accept. If we don't like it, we can always find an alternate career. Shirley > appreciate it will be willing to pay what it's worth. Am I being too This will always be the truth. The question is, how much is worth? Especially in a world competitive enviroment, in which wages are soo different from place to place. Unfortunately for us, stained-glass is highly labor intensive. Shirley > harsh? Shirley > Shirley > Shirley Balloch wrote: Shirley > -- Daniel M. German "A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in neither case he is justly accountable John Stuart Mill -> to them for the injury." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 12:56:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:26:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" , "Jak N Wolfy" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:21:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.10216.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Jackie, Personally I got real tired of creating the things I needed. I did that in the 60's 70's and 80's. The only thing I plant these days are flowers in my garden. Today we are lucky enough to create what we do best and are rewarded with enough to buy the other things. The more you put into the world the more you get out of it. We share whatever we have with anyone who needs it material or spiritual. (although I don't even let Paul drive my new corvette). I am not looking to get back to the old basics. My life is richer and fuller because of where we came from not where we are going. Most true artists live and breath what they do.......it comes from an inner place that is not found in a pattern book or on the internet. And what makes it art is the fact that people can dicuss it.....can contemplate it and most importantly can get lost in it. Boy, did i get off the topic or what. Must be spring in the air. my best, pj (whose treadmill is calling her.) << What I see in the bungians are>people that want to bring the old pride back . If you look in other areas of >craft you'll find others that are doing the same. And when you find people >like this you will probably find that they would like to get back to some of >the old basics, creating the things you need, growing your own food, >bartering the skills of some one else, and helping someone else if need be. >If you look at the last 10 years or so you can see this trend. And its good, >there is pride and love in what we do. It's good for the self esteem, and >for the soul. And with the millennium coming quickly , it may divide the >ones who will have no problems from the ones who are totally lost. > >Enough.......... boy, did I get off on a tangent or what. Sorry to bend so >many ears, but it just kept coming. I'll now turn the soap box over to >anyone else, does anyone agree with me? Or am I in the south 40 somewhere? > > Jackie >-----Original Message----- >From: Pamela Burns-Tappan >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 1:46 AM >Subject: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... > > >>Do you know what is so frustrating? I'm going to spill, I'm disappointed >>:( The great Cathedrals of the world Chartres, Cologne etc. Gothic >>architecture at it's finest and do you think they would even mention the >>stained glass artists? The stone workers? Who they were, what they were >>all about? Nope. Some of the finest glass work in the world, restorative >>daydreams are made of this stuff and any mention of the artists. Not >>even. Celebrated never, anonymity mostly. >> >>I will tell you this. The last two Cathedrals I have done research on I >>have had to go to the Library of Congress for documents. Elie from >>germany sent me a wonderful article from Restauro magazine with the help >>of Pawels suggestion that Restauro would be the best place to find this >>document I was looking for. Great, I received the documents. Want to >>know how long it took me to translate it, all in german, 8 pages long in >>small type. Oh mercy. I could have paid a translator sure, .14 cents a >>word, a word mind you, 8 pages of magazine type. I for one believe the >>U.S. needs a substantial restoration magazine such as the Europeans >>have. Restauro magazine is 108 years old for crying out loud! O.k. >>Albert, Shakeel, Dani, Christie, p.j. Here is a suggestion for the IGGA. >>Become the leading restoration magazine for the U.S. & hey you can even >>increase my IGGA fee a year I won't mind. >> >>Why is it that the U.S. is lacking in this department any suggestions? I >>will give the Europeans high marks on being the leaders, developers and >>wonders of the restoration processes. Yeah, I'll have americans disagree >>with me probably. We will never compete with the Europeans in this area, >>few in the U.S. do. And the ones here in the U.S. who do compete with >>the Europeans are a Julie Sloan etc. trained by the masters. Alright I'm >>done with my Andy Rooney comentary :) >> >> >>Ah, I feel much better now thanks. >> >>Pam >> >> >>********************************* >> >>Pamela Burns-Tappan >>Executive Director >>The Stained Glass Artists >>http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists >> >>Moswood Mountain Limited >>http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited >>http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 13:15:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:14:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.10755.0> Precedence: bulk Good topic Pam..... Welcome to American........... home of the disposable everything. Besides being such a young country we also have a terrible habit of replacing things that only need repair. Most European countries have programs that take care of restoration. Can you imagine what our government would do to art restoration? Lets see.....well after they take a least ten years to create a panel who would decided who was going to do the restoration then they would take a least another ten years in paperwork to get it done. To bad we can't learn from Europeans. But what do you want from a society that removes art programs from schools because of funding and builds larger and more impressive baseball, soccer and football fields because its the thing to do. (oops.....do I sound bitter????!!!). In Paris the government has glass artists that work for the government to restore the cathedral's. And I am sure most European countries have artists who work directly for the government. Personally I feel the majority of the population of this country has no cultural background whatsoever.....and most of them are content with purchasing prints from Home Depot to hang on their walls. I bet if you asked anyone outside of an artist community if they have any original art hanging on their walls most of them would say yes.....but I bet you would discover that they were either prints or those Robert Woods thingies. Or how many of those Precious Moments things can one person own??????????? (gawd I hate those things) And they are not sculpture. my best, pj (who thinks this topic gives her high blood pressure) Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:52 AM Subject: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... >Do you know what is so frustrating? I'm going to spill, I'm disappointed >:( The great Cathedrals of the world Chartres, Cologne etc. Gothic >architecture at it's finest and do you think they would even mention the >stained glass artists? The stone workers? Who they were, what they were >all about? Nope. Some of the finest glass work in the world, restorative >daydreams are made of this stuff and any mention of the artists. Not >even. Celebrated never, anonymity mostly. > >I will tell you this. The last two Cathedrals I have done research on I >have had to go to the Library of Congress for documents. Elie from >germany sent me a wonderful article from Restauro magazine with the help >of Pawels suggestion that Restauro would be the best place to find this >document I was looking for. Great, I received the documents. Want to >know how long it took me to translate it, all in german, 8 pages long in >small type. Oh mercy. I could have paid a translator sure, .14 cents a >word, a word mind you, 8 pages of magazine type. I for one believe the >U.S. needs a substantial restoration magazine such as the Europeans >have. Restauro magazine is 108 years old for crying out loud! O.k. >Albert, Shakeel, Dani, Christie, p.j. Here is a suggestion for the IGGA. >Become the leading restoration magazine for the U.S. & hey you can even >increase my IGGA fee a year I won't mind. > >Why is it that the U.S. is lacking in this department any suggestions? I >will give the Europeans high marks on being the leaders, developers and >wonders of the restoration processes. Yeah, I'll have americans disagree >with me probably. We will never compete with the Europeans in this area, >few in the U.S. do. And the ones here in the U.S. who do compete with >the Europeans are a Julie Sloan etc. trained by the masters. Alright I'm >done with my Andy Rooney comentary :) > > >Ah, I feel much better now thanks. > >Pam > > >********************************* > >Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists > >Moswood Mountain Limited >http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited >http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 14:49:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:05:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Teaching 101 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:06:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.6651.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk To educate my community this year I wanted to teach some classes and provide some demonstrations on stepping stones. There is only one glass artist here in my area that actively participates in glass education. So I though I'd join the band wagon :) One of the colleges that I wanted to teach at this year has outstanding community education courses throughout the year. So I applied. I sent in everything I had. Instructions on how to do pre-made paver stones, course outlines, liability forms, brief mosaic history etc. Actually a beautiful package put together to show, because I lack teaching experience, I still know what I'm doing. I can do this in my sleep. I received rave reviews by the college directors assistant and she said for sure they would be interested in my class. Here is what has happened :) The community education director "does" stained glass. The director is the ex mother-in-law of my ex mother-in-law. I'm still great friends with my ex mother-in-law although she did not get along with her ex mother -in-law, the director of community education:) The director is scheduled to teach basic stained glass already. They have now added a stone class to their community education for summer/fall session. And guess who is doing the stone class? You guessed it, the director of community education. Imagine that. Wonder if I should sign up to see if she is using my instruction packet too. I'm artistically disgusted I'll tell ya. Pam ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 15:25:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:34:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:38:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.103814.0> References: <<1999Mar2.55345.0>> Precedence: bulk In college I found *Art history* to be one of my least appreciated classes. I dropped it in favor of what I felt to be a real class... You know, where I could play with clay and use someone elses kiln, wheel, that sort of thing. My opinion is based on limited knowledge, and mostly just opinion. Seems to me, that artists have never been appreciated unless they were one of the masters (what ever they are) and even then not until they were dead. Their work became suddenly more valuable since they were no longer producing. Seems to me, society has *always* been materialistic. I dont think it is just a new trait. I think artists, craftsmen, musicians,and actors have historically been considered working class and here for the amusement of the rich. People tend to consider these people to be whacky, crazy, eccentric, etc..(probably just lead poisoning) Seems that recent years have celebrated artists more than at any time in history. Musicians today are capable of more money and fame than the *old guys* ever dreamed of having. There are lots of examples of artists today...that would not have been celebrated in the past, who enjoy fame and fortune...and they didnt even have to die for it. What is really sad, is that the *old guys* that were amazing artists and craftsmen were considered much the same as a construction worker is today. I may be way off... Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 15:52:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:48:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "bungi group" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:44:19 -0500 Message-ID: <199903022240.RAA17123@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/2/99 3:21 PM pj friend artglass@waterw.com >Most true artists live and breath what they do.......it comes from an inner >place that is not found in a pattern book or on the internet. And what makes >it art is the fact that people can dicuss it.....can contemplate it and most >importantly can get lost in it. You hit the nail right on the head, pj. When I found glass it was like falling in love... Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 15:53:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:10:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Teaching 101 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:10:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.13102.0> References: <<1999Mar2.6651.0>> Precedence: bulk Sure sign up! But you know...........taking a craft class is alot more fun if you go with a friend. Maybe you should sign up your ex mother-in-law too!! Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: > To educate my community this year I wanted to teach some classes and > provide some demonstrations on stepping stones. There is only one glass > artist here in my area that actively participates in glass education. So > I though I'd join the band wagon :) > > One of the colleges that I wanted to teach at this year has outstanding > community education courses throughout the year. So I applied. I sent in > everything I had. Instructions on how to do pre-made paver stones, > course outlines, liability forms, brief mosaic history etc. Actually a > beautiful package put together to show, because I lack teaching > experience, I still know what I'm doing. I can do this in my sleep. I > received rave reviews by the college directors assistant and she said > for sure they would be interested in my class. > > Here is what has happened :) The community education director "does" > stained glass. The director is the ex mother-in-law of my ex > mother-in-law. I'm still great friends with my ex mother-in-law although > she did not get along with her ex mother -in-law, the director of > community education:) The director is scheduled to teach basic stained > glass already. They have now added a stone class to their community > education for summer/fall session. And guess who is doing the stone > class? You guessed it, the director of community education. Imagine > that. Wonder if I should sign up to see if she is using my instruction > packet too. > > I'm artistically disgusted I'll tell ya. > > Pam > > ********************************* > > Pamela Burns-Tappan > Executive Director > The Stained Glass Artists > http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 16:19:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:21:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Teaching 101 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:27:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199903022320.SAA09535@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I'm artistically disgusted I'll tell ya. All politics are local. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 16:29:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:46:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Teaching 101 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:47:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.74750.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Charles S wrote: well, if it was marked copyright before you sent it, it'd be easier to collect damages ;-) And I never in my life thought about it until now Charles your right. When gathering all of your teaching materials add copyright information on each document along with your attorneys number. Make sure you have fingerprint identification marks and bar codes too just to be on the safe side. Good grief life is just a constant humorous adventure isn't it :) I'm adding that info right now as we speak by the way :) Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 16:40:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:26:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:28:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.7280.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: I understand what you are saying Howard. But my point was this and let's use your art as an example shall we. Not only would I purchase a piece of artwork from you but I would also maintain the reputation and history of the artist, in this case you. Our problem here in the states is we don't maintain generational history of the arts we have. In 50 years I want my children to say, "This lamp was made by Howard Rubin. He was an artist who valued his work and be able to tell a brief history of who you were. Crankiness and all. That is what is lost here. The ability for generations to view artwork and have knowledge about it. It's not taught now and I don't see it happening in the future. Most people when they buy a piece of artwork should also value the person who created it and know something about that person in my opinion. That is also a large part of the piece that has been purchased, the historical value. I may be soap boxing here but art goes way beyond the piece itself. Now make me a deal on one of your lamps :) Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 17:32:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:41:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Teaching 101 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:32:33 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990302173233.00b96200@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk note i just said 'easier'. it actually was copywrited (copywrit?) when you wrote it down. it'll be hard, if not impossible, for you to claim you wrote it at this point, without some sort of legal proof that it came from you at some earlier date. regards, charlie phx, az >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:47:50 -0800 >Subject: Re: Teaching 101 >Sender: ptap@pacifier.com >From: ptap@pacifier.com >To: glass@bungi.com > >Charles S wrote: > >well, if it was marked copyright before you sent it, it'd be easier to >collect damages ;-) > > And I never in my life thought about it until now Charles your right. >When gathering all of your teaching materials add copyright information >on each document along with your attorneys number. Make sure you have >fingerprint identification marks and bar codes too just to be on the >safe side. Good grief life is just a constant humorous adventure isn't >it :) > >I'm adding that info right now as we speak by the way :) > >Pam > > >-- >********************************* > >Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists > >Moswood Mountain Limited >http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited >http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- Charles Spitzer Stratus Computer, Inc Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 18:02:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:25:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Jewish Patterns Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:00:28 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar3.1028.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone who responded. Now where do I get that Judy Miller book? My local supplier doesn't sell pattern books, although he lets us use whatever he has there for free. I'd be happy to buy the book if anyone wants to sell it to me. I'm in no rush to make this gift for the rabbi. His retirement party is in April but he's not actually leaving until June so I've got plenty of time. Thanks, Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 18:35:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:44:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:48:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.134830.0> References: <<9658fc53.36dc8e80@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/2/99 6:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > > > People tend to consider these people to be whacky, crazy, eccentric, > > etc. > > Hey Suzanne de Tulsa, > > Why I think you just described me perfectly.....well, actually I think you > described a few people we "know"......I won't mention names, they know who > they are.... > > Take care, > > Cia (when I decide how to pronounce my new name, I'll let ya know) Yeah...I've pretty much always been called those names! lol...just ask my mom.... My mother associates it with the name Suzanne though. She says *all* Suzannes are *different*. Course, I think all the Suzannes that she knows are artistic in one way or another. You know I always considered them compliments too! Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 18:51:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:50:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Teaching 101 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:55:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199903030148.UAA12272@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > When gathering all of your teaching materials add copyright information > on each document along with your attorneys number. Anything you write, paint, or otherwise in any way create is automatically copyrighted under current law. It's registration of the copyright with the Library of Congress that makes it possible to collect damages, but enforcement of the copyright can be done even without the registration. More info? http://www.lawgirl.com/registration.shtml Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 19:06:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:56:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:21:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar3.1214.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/2/99 6:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > People tend to consider these people to be whacky, crazy, eccentric, > etc. Hey Suzanne de Tulsa, Why I think you just described me perfectly.....well, actually I think you described a few people we "know"......I won't mention names, they know who they are.... Take care, Cia (when I decide how to pronounce my new name, I'll let ya know) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 19:17:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:57:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Who is Robert Woods? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.155212.0> Precedence: bulk Ok, I forgot to send the message to bungi, and sent it to PJ instead. (Sorry, PJ. You too, Christie.) I keep just hitting the reply button. Anyway, who is Robert Woods? Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 19:23:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:15:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bigpond.com!ktsplash From: "Katherine Walters" To: "Bungi List" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:57:42 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.215742.0> Precedence: bulk I've been watching this thread with interest, since I've been involved with art and artists my whole life. It's the eternal question, isn't it, what is art, and what makes an artist, who says which artists are better, why does this artist make money and that one doesn't, what price do you put on a work of art, etc etc When I was at university, studying acting, I was a perpetual outcast for my radical idea that artists could and should be popular. The popular opinion was that anyone who made money from their art was not an artist but a fashion victim. My response to this was always the same - what the hell good is a piece of art if no-one can understand it but the artist? As a case in point, last year I was writing book reviews for the local newspaper. One of the books was Toni Morrison's Paradise. Now I'm lucky in a lot of ways that I have studied art, symbolism, narrative, and to some extent I felt I understood what Morrison was getting at. But I was absolutely appalled when I visited Amazon.com to see what other readers thought of the book. Every second reader said something along the lines of "I must be dumb...." "I think I'll have to read it again cos I just didn't get it" and etc and etc. This makes me absolutely furious. Because these readers were feeling ignorant because all the critics had raved about the book, what a wonderful, deep, moving piece of "LITERATURE" (as opposed to pulp) it was, and the average reader just didn't understand why. Now compare that with the success of something like Angela's Ashes (Frank McCourt). A Pulitzer Prize winner, it carries that same tag of LITERATURE (I hate that word), and yet it got inside the bones of millions of readers, it moved them, they felt it as part of themselves and took the author into their own life. What am I saying here....? um, I guess just that it's a pitiful situation that the "intellectual elite" or those people that happened to study art - such as the folks i went to Uni with - decide what makes art and what doesn't. They take on this holier than thou attitude and talk up their art (I used to call it ART-WANK) so that the average person starts to feel they haven't got a clue. It's this sort of thing that widens the gap between "popular art" and "high art", and its the sort of thing that leaves us standing in front of a $600,000 painting of lines and blobs, and saying, "uh, but I could have done this, and did, in my last finger painting session with little Johnny last week" This is why the dollars in education are spent on sports and not on art - because "culture" is whatever is important to the population at the time, and the more artists start turning up their noses and talking down to people, the more people are going to turn to the easily understood, the comfortable. (By the way, I had a horrible situation at my high-school, our class walked the streets asking for donations, selling raffle tickets and chocolate bars to make money to put on a musical, and the proceeds of the musical went to? you guessed it, funded a trip around the state for the football team) It IS a throwaway society, and it will remain so until we all(not just artists) teach our kids that reading is cooler than watching tv, taking our kids to the theatre, or an art gallery, instead of to a theme park, and believing and living the concept that it is better to be an individual, and be true to self, than to "fit in" with the fashion of the day. My wordy-lordy, what a spark has been ignited, here! But to the subject of the original post, I truly think that artists aren't celebrated by the population anymore, because they've always celebrated themselves! There are a lot of good artists out there who know that art should speak directly to the viewer, to their souls, and consider themselves humble workers (some even say Mediums), working to the goal of making people FEEL and THINK. But these artists have never been as vocal as the "high artists," who speak only to the "intellectual elite" ie. the critics. Sorry for these ramblings, guys, pet peeve in process here. Katie Walters, Australia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 19:38:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:51:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Celebrated artists Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:54:04 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.20544.0> Precedence: bulk "The artist is nothing with gift, but gift is nothing without work" - Emile Zola Our art is as we chose to celebrate it. l have always thought that this was one of the many freeing qualities of art, there are not hard and fast rules, we make of it what we want. Only focused, diligent effort turns potential into reality. Whoa! Maybe it is spring - it is grey and rainy here. tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 19:44:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:38:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: my work Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:31:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.103128.0> Precedence: bulk >From the beginning I have signed and numbered all my work. I can reproduce most of the panel lamp styles from my card file. as well as the color. I have stayed with Spectrum glass for those. Careful records are kept where it will make a difference (not panel lamps), and usually I keep a package of replacement glass for repairs. I have information on most of the owners of my "Tiffanies". A few of the galleries were reluctant to divulge the owners, BUT there are consignment laws that require them (upon my asking in writing) to tell me. I certainly build with "heirloom" intentions and stay in touch with a few of the owners (not to hustle them for more,,,,but will not turn them away either) I have had "second" generation purchases, that is parents buying for their children and or making plans to pass a shade down. I have seen the gamut, from a high end show where a person waited for a "sale" (did not effect my net) ran in grabbed a 20" Poppy, could care less about me doing a demo and offering to answer any questions or whatever she cared to ask. Had a person come in to a store to buy a $8,990 22" fly..................ONLY requirement was that they "DELIVER" it immediately, plug it in, as they were having a party and had to have for show. Other end, I agreed to take $100.00 a month (for ever, almost) for a shade someone fell in love with and could not come up with a "full" payment at one time. As a cynic, given my "druthers" I would rather have payment in full....even though the "ego" strokes for the 100 per month was great! My way of passing on the appreciation for "art" was to teach classes encourage students to "take" a commission, and ALWAYS do their best. My students have an understanding of quality and do INDEED know the difference from good to bad work......... I have had contacts from many places and I was "B/Sing over the net with a person, and they asked me if I had a shade in a specific place, I said YES and they looked it up, gave me back the number (on the shade) and then went back and bought it! starting to ramble, so..........enjoy H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 20:15:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:10:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 02 Mar 99 20:08:28 Message-ID: <199903030309.UAA07915@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:28:00 -0800, Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: >I understand what you are saying Howard. But my point was this and let's >use your art as an example shall we. Not only would I purchase a piece >of artwork from you but I would also maintain the reputation and history >of the artist, in this case you. Our problem here in the states is we >don't maintain generational history of the arts we have. In 50 years I >want my children to say, "This lamp was made by Howard Rubin. He was an >artist who valued his work and be able to tell a brief history of who >you were. Crankiness and all. That is what is lost here. The ability for >generations to view artwork and have knowledge about it. It's not taught >now and I don't see it happening in the future. > >Most people when they buy a piece of artwork should also value the >person who created it and know something about that person in my >opinion. That is also a large part of the piece that has been purchased, >the historical value. I may be soap boxing here but art goes way beyond >the piece itself. Now make me a deal on one of your lamps :) > >Pam I VERY MUCH agree with Pam here... I have pieces of art (not only glass) which I have purchased, and the ones I value most are the ones where I met and talked with the artist! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 20:29:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:31:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: Swinger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Teaching 101 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:31:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.11315.0> References: <<1999Mar2.13102.0>> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk I do believe that is the answer. This should be an exciting class in my opinion. I may sign up my ex mother-in-laws new daughter in law (confused yet?). The new daughter in law is a real piece of work, hates my guts and hates the mother in law. The daughter in law lost her mind after her first child was born and was sure that I was having an affair with my ex husband, her new husband, hehe! And here I thought teaching this class would have been entertaining. I can say I look at all of this with a large sense of humor and it all really doesn't surprise me. The lessons learned in life are valuable even though sometimes they are hard to understand eh? Pam Swinger wrote: > Sure sign up! But you know...........taking a craft class is alot more fun > if you go with a friend. Maybe you should sign up your ex mother-in-law > too!! > ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 20:46:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:45:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:48:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.154855.0> References: <<199903030255.VAA13163@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > >Yeah...I've pretty much always been called those names! lol...just ask my mom.... > > > >My mother associates it with the name Suzanne though. She says *all* > >Suzannes are *different*. Course, I think all the Suzannes that she > >knows are artistic in one way or another. > > > >You know I always considered them compliments too! > > > That's funny, Suzanne, I always called *my mother those names. She was an > artist. And she capitalized on it, too. As in "I've got much more > important things to do than clean the house." The apple doesn't fall far > from the tree! > > Suzanne de Pennsylvania > Yep...must be a Suzanne thing. Just ran through the house in a cleaning frenzy, Gary'll be getting off work soon! ;o) T Suz -- My new motto.... Just 'cause I love it...doesn't mean it's not work! "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 20:58:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:45:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:43:56 -0800 Message-ID: <199903030343.TAA20217@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >>extent I felt I understood what Morrison was getting at. But I was >absolutely appalled when I visited Amazon.com to see what other readers >thought of the book. Every second reader said something along the lines of >"I must be dumb...." "I think I'll have to read it again cos I just didn't >get it" and etc and etc. This makes me absolutely furious. Because these >readers were feeling ignorant because all the critics had raved about the So I have to agree that the poster was indeed "really dumb" if they were going to waste their time reading AGAIN a book they didn't get the first time...life's too short and there's too many good books around to put oneself through that. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 21:10:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:53:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:57:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.155744.0> References: <<1999Mar3.1214.0>> Precedence: bulk > Cia (when I decide how to pronounce my new name, I'll let ya know) I just always think you're sayin' *see ya*...okay by me! So that's how *I pronounce it! T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 21:12:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:02:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Katherine Walters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:06:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.16633.0> References: <<1999Mar3.215742.0>> Precedence: bulk > Now compare that with the success of something like Angela's Ashes (Frank > McCourt). A Pulitzer Prize winner, it carries that same tag of LITERATURE (I > hate that word), and yet it got inside the bones of millions of readers, it > moved them, they felt it as part of themselves and took the author into > their own life. > Oh Good, now I have another book I gotta read....something about having my bones moved! YEEEeeeHaaaaw! ;o) Took someones advice and got a couple of books on tape at the library the other day. HAve been listening while I soldered. Made the mistake of asking the librarian to recommend something, as I am not up on the latest. The social worker in me has decided the librarian is an incest survivor as she seems to be obsessed by it. I found it even more shocking having it read to me *out loud. Think next time I will find a more upbeat librarian! ;o) Mayber there is an eccentric artist type moonlighting. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 21:22:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:04:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Howard" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: my work Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:08:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.1686.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Howard To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 9:52 PM Subject: my work > >>From the beginning I have signed and numbered all my work. Just out of curiosity... how do you sign it? I had thought about signing some of my pieces with a dremel, but my practice sig's looked so dreadful I decided to pass on that. It's not as if I'm LCTiffany anyway. But where would you sign the piece, and using what? I assume on a shade, perhaps inside on an obscure, fairly opaque piece of glass. What about on a panel? Just curious. Thanks Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 21:37:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:21:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: my work Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:22:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.162224.0> References: <<1999Mar2.103128.0>> Precedence: bulk Oh Howard!! Thanks! ;o) That's a keeper for sure! Did ya realise you were giving a lesson? I appreciate it. Geeeeez, I love this place! T Suz Ps... Thanks for the ramble! -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte > >From the beginning I have signed and numbered all my work. I can reproduce > most of the panel lamp styles from my card file. as well as the color. I > have stayed with Spectrum glass for those. > Careful records are kept where it will make a difference (not panel lamps), > and usually I keep a package of replacement glass for repairs. > I have information on most of the owners of my "Tiffanies". > A few of the galleries were reluctant to divulge the owners, BUT there are > consignment laws that require them (upon my asking in writing) to tell me. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 22:12:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:22:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:23:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.192344.0> Precedence: bulk >So I have to agree that the poster was indeed "really dumb" if they were >going to waste their time reading AGAIN a book they didn't get the first >time... No, I don't think they are dumb at all...just trying a bit too hard or have never been taught to be critical themselves. Up until that time they probably thought they were a competant, somewhat educated adult.....than they read a book that 'everyone' (who ever that may be) is raving about and they don't get it. Well, they assume that the problem is theirs, not the book...or not one of any other million reasons. I have a book I reread from time to time....bcause quite frankly I didn't understand it all the first time....but it is a volume that I think worth the effort. (Toni Morrison's book I wouln't bother with a second time, but just my opinion.) That would be like telling someone whose first stained glass project didn't turn out well that there was no use in continueing....if they didn't "get it" the first time there would be no improvement. Sorry if this sounds harsh...but this is a peeve of mine Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 2 23:08:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:25:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG software sale Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:30:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.183057.0> Precedence: bulk for those of you with children or grand children.. these people have this promotion every now and then for new customers. It is a great deal. I can vouch for the 3rd grade series and toddler software. It is great, and my kids love it. They are normally about $20, and for the promotion, new customers only can order one title per household for 99 cents. http://shop.brainplay.com/pt99/ Tulsa suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 05:46:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:06:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 07:53:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.23533.0> References: <<1999Mar3.1214.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Re: Subject line This will teach me not to get on the computer in the early morning hours. When I first read it, it read "Why aren't artists celibate?" Interesting thread don't you think. Carol T CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/2/99 6:25:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > > > People tend to consider these people to be whacky, crazy, eccentric, > > etc. > > Hey Suzanne de Tulsa, > > Why I think you just described me perfectly.....well, actually I think you > described a few people we "know"......I won't mention names, they know who > they are.... > > Take care, > > Cia (when I decide how to pronounce my new name, I'll let ya know) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 07:49:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:09:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Why aren't artists celebrated? Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:57:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.1578.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk How many kids are taught early in life to appreciate art? How many kids are taken to museums by their parents early in life? In my experience, very few have the opportunities to even begin to appreciate art; they are not taught. Usually both parents work and to them quality time isn't spent helping their child to appreciate good books, opera, or individual artists, etc. Supposedly, this is a job that school is supposed to be doing. To people who have an awareness of the arts there are many artists who are celebrated in all areas of different mediums. Pavarotti, Robert Frost, Van Gogh, Warhohl, Horowitz, Georgia O'Keefe, Mapplethorpe, just to name a few. I attended a private boarding school where art appreciation was mandatory in 7th grade and up. When you learn that young what is beautiful and meaningful, it never leaves you. I don't see that in our public schools today, only taking an elective in high school of art appreciation is there an exposure to individual artists. I think what I'm saying is if you haven't been taught that maybe Pavarotti is a tad better than Elvis, then art is subjective to that person. BTW, Tiffany is the only sg artist that I think most people know of and that's probably because the price of his works is so high now, that good or bad, people have the conception that it it must be good if it's so expensive. To me this is a common misconception that if something is very expensive, it must be good art. Art is also looked upon as something to acquire because it's value will escalate over time, especially if the artist is dead, and their work is considered a "good investment". I guess this subject has bothered me over a long period of time because I do see people judge art by its' price, not its' merit. Also, how many people pick up the book War and Peace to read? Just as an example, Monica Lewinksy's book will probably sell more copies than that book ever sold. This is our society and if someone thinks a book is "over their head", then it is, because it isn't instant gratification. I can't say they're wrong, because they haven't "been taught" or "shown" what is or what isn't art. It's up to them, if they haven't been exposed to the arts, to continue to learn on their own. To leave something like this to be taught by our public schools is a joke. There are so many teachers in this State who cannot pass the high school competency test that seniors are expected to pass in order to graduate, that I don't see how we can expect them to teach even basic subjects, much less art. I may have gotten off this particular thread, but students are not being educated these days, they are being prepared to make money. Along the way, some will pick up that there's beauty in life and will make the effort to learn more. Liberal Arts in college is considered a dead major, leading to a nowhere job, although some employers value the fact that a student is well educated in many facets. But, an MBA in most cases is a more desirable degree. OK. That was all just IMHO. I just jumped off my soap box and it's time to cut some glass. BTW, I listen to Pavarotti when I'm working. He soothes me until he hits high C three times in an aria, then I'm off in a different world of beauty for awhile before I have to come down to earth to score a lousy inside curve. Carol T Are we sure the thread wasn't "Why aren't artists celebate"? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 08:18:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:15:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Wed Mar 3 07:14:53 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.45253.0> Precedence: bulk i think i am going to apply for a name change today! debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: suzy@comcat.com Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 11:54 PM Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... >> >Yeah...I've pretty much always been called those names! lol...just ask my mom.... >> > >> >My mother associates it with the name Suzanne though. She says *all* >> >Suzannes are *different*. Course, I think all the Suzannes that she >> >knows are artistic in one way or another. >> > >> >You know I always considered them compliments too! >> > >> That's funny, Suzanne, I always called *my mother those names. She was an >> artist. And she capitalized on it, too. As in "I've got much more >> important things to do than clean the house." The apple doesn't fall far >> from the tree! >> >> Suzanne de Pennsylvania >> >Yep...must be a Suzanne thing. Just ran through the house in a cleaning >frenzy, Gary'll be getting off work soon! ;o) > >T Suz >-- >My new motto.... >Just 'cause I love it...doesn't mean it's not work! > >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 08:45:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:45:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Sticking pattern pieces to glass Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.54223.0> References: <<15b247d8.36dbfff2@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Karlene wrote: > > Can"t reuse cardstock made patterens using glue sticks. I prefer > tape. One of > these days I will invest into a nice light table, Regards > Karlene from wisc. > Oops, you're right. I also like to be able to reuse my pattern pieces, but instead of making them out of card stock, I use clear mylar. (available in sheets or rolls from office supply companies like Charette) They're permanent, and because they are clear they make it really easy to see EXACTLY where on a sheet of opalescent glass to put the pattern piece for the most "painterly" shading effects. I have a nice light table and use the "English" method for cutting cathedral glass, but I actually prefer to work with opalescent glass. Much of it is so dense that seeing through it to trace a pattern onto the glass doesn't work. I make all my templates and pattern pieces from clear mylar so that I can assemble the work-in-progress on the light table without any clouding or color distortion that I would get from using a white paper template. Elizabeth Johnson dmj@cyberportal.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 08:51:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:46:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: STICKING PATTERNS TO GLASS Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:42:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.54235.0> References: <<1999Mar2.153934.0>> Precedence: bulk > Glue sticks sounds great but if you have to soak them off that would mean > immersing the project in water for a while. My book said that > this immersion > was not to be done (did not explain why however) so do I have to > do that or > not? thanks > ------------------ You are right. You soak the patterns off the glass pieces before foiling and soldering, though. So immersion of the glass into water should not be a problem. It is, however, a waste of time. Even though I don't usually have to grind, I still have to waste time getting the pattern pieces off and drying the glass. I really like the suggestion of rubber cement. It's quicker still not to use patterns at all (the English method) but when I must use patterns for working with opalescent glass, I will try the rubber cement. Elizabeth Johnson dmj@cyberportal.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 09:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:27:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (Fwd) Reply to Pamela Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:32:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199903031525.KAA19289@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk I'd like to comment on some of the things Pamela addressed in several recent postings. I'm not weighing in at all on what CGG should publish -- that's up to you all. But I do want to set some things straight about how stained glass restoration is practiced in the US. With all due respect, Pamela is on the wrong track in saying that Europe is where we should look for restoration directives. For those of you who may not know my background, that's where I began too -- looking to Europe for ways to conserve and restore American stained glass. My thesis at Columbia was on that topic -- it was a review of the literature and techniques up to that time (1982). I followed that up with a study tour of English cathedral and commercial studios -- York, Canterbury, and several others. In later years I visited German studios and cathedral workshops. If you study in depth the work they've been doing over the past 50 years since the end of WWII (which was when they began recognizing the speed of deterioration), you find just as much secrecy as Pamela thinks she has found here. What you will also find is a great deal of controversy -- just look into the use of Viacryl at Chartres in the early 1970s or the use of Jacobi method of lamination at Cologne at the same period. But what is much more important to understand is that they are conserving MEDIEVAL stained glass, which is chemically and technically a completely different animal than the windows we have here, whether they are monumental works or run-of-the-mill windows. Our glass does not suffer from glass disease, as theirs does. But our paint problems are much more serious than theirs. They have very little experience with enamel paints like Tiffany used. And they know nothing about dealing with plated windows. That's why I wrote my book: because European literature doesn't apply to our work. There's tons of European literature out there -- some of the best stained glass conservation material for medieval windows is written by Roy Newton. But it just doesn't apply to our windows. I've come to the conclusion that American studios are far more sophisticated both technically and philosophically than European studios. Of course, the Europeans don't acknowledge this, and if you ask a European whether Americans know how to conserve stained glass, you're just inviting Eurocentrism. I've been there and back, and now I feel like Emerson did -- look to our own people for information about our own artwork and creativity. Don't waste your time or money going to seminars in Sweden -- visit American conservators instead. They're not the ogres Pamela seems to think they are. There really are no secrets in conservation, and any studio who tells you there are doesn't really know what it's doing and *that's* the only secret they've got. There's virtually no such thing as "chemical presevation" for American windows, which Pamela mentions in connection with the Washington Cathedral (whose windows, by the way, are in general too young yet to require restoration). We restore some of the most important windows in the US and we actually use very few chemicals in the process. Most of work is mechanical, not chemical. You must keep in mind that glass produced in the 19th and 20th centuries is some of the toughest ever made (*glass*, not stained glass).The lead, on the other hand, is terrible. There's nothing chemical that *needs* to be done to the glass, and nothing chemical that *can* be done for the lead. I don't know how Pamela has gotten the impression that I "must remain silent in my own way ... just to stay competitive in the United States." I may not be as vocal in that I'm not usually part of a chat group like this, but that's only because I'm too busy, not because I'm interested in secrecy myself. No one in this country has written more about stained glass conservation than I have. I regularly teach, and I consult by phone with all kinds of people on all kinds of windows. I hereby invite anyone to ask me anything any time they need to and if I can answer it, I will. But also be aware that I'm not a seer or a god, I don't have all the answers. The procedure involving cyclododecane that Pamela mentions has very limited applications in this country, and it's only a temporary fix. The material evaporates, leaving the substrate in the same condition as before. I've just bid on a job that if we get, we might use cyclododecane on, but I can think of very few other applications. I wouldn't worry about who will know how to preserve your artwork in 150 years. Not even John La Farge was concerned about that. Have faith that our knowledge continues to grow and expand. But your concern does emphasis why reversibility is so critical -- whatever you do now MUST be able to be undone in 150 years when they find a better way, or when your way fails (as it will do because everything eventually fails). The conservation community may look impenetrable from the outside, but it's not. Join the American Institute for Conservation if you want access to conservation professionals in all fields, not just glass. They have a journal, a newsletter, and a chat group that I find immensely valuable for my work. You'll also discover that they have a Standards and Ethics paper on which that recently published by the SGAA is largely based. I've never had a problem getting information I need from other conservation professionals (except perhaps in stained glass, which is, as Pamela says, one of the meanest, nastiest groups of people I've ever come across). Also join the Association for Preservation Technology, which also has a journal and a newsletter and annual conferences. They are keyed more toward architecture than fine arts. Both of these organizations already publish conservation periodicals, so CGG doesn't need to duplicate their efforts. The Library of Congress may well be one of the few libraries at which you can find this information. It's not exactly what John Q. Public wants to read, so you're not going to find it in Popular Mechanics. I did the bulk of research in New York, at Columbia. Become familiar with Interlibrary Loan programs, which most college libraries and some public libraries can do for you. Then you don't have to leave home at all. OCLC, the Library of Congress's on-line catalog, can tell you which libraries have the materials you're looking for, which is the basis of any Interlibrary Loan request. Doing research is like any other job -- when you know how to do it, it's not that hard. And don't be shy about picking up the phone or dropping an email or a snail mail to someone with a question. Be as specific as possible -- I know from personal experience that I can't answer a query like "how do you restore stained glass?" If you want to travel, visit American studios. Give them a call first and see if you can visit. We, for one, are always open to visitors, providing you have the courtesy to find out when it would be convenient to come by. Most of the other studios I've worked with over the years are the same way. In sum, there are no secrets, no mumbo-jumbo about stained glass restoration, and the techniques and materials we use on La Farge and Tiffany are no different than those you should be applying to smaller anonymous windows. Keep the faith -- it's really not that hard. Julie Sloan ================================ Julie L. Sloan Vice-president, Cummings Studio PO Box 427, North Adams, MA 01247 (413) 664-6578; fax (413) 664-6570 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 09:21:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:49:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: cleaning and finishing foiled panels Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:42:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.54215.0> References: <<1999Mar1.214828.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley: Fluxes and patinas are either acidic (usually) or alkaline (occasionally). You need to neutralize the pH of the surfaces after using them or the leftover pH imbalance will cause your solder and/or patina to develop a white oxidized crust and (eventually) even break down the surface of the glass. For the same reason a finished panel should not be periodically cleaned with either an ammonia (alkaline) or vinegar (acid) based window cleaner. Non-neutral pH will eventually break down the metals. I advise people who have my panels to dry-dust, and if they must clean any greasy residue (panels in a kitchen, for instance) to use a mild detergent solution and rinse with plain water, buff to a shine with a clean towel. Most stained glass suppliers (including Delphi and other mail order companies) sell a product I love called CJ's Flux and Patina Remover. It's a liquid soap I use after soldering and again after applying patina. It neutralizes well, and also helps to remove the glue scunge that seeps out around the edges of black-backed foil during soldering, plus any patina streaks left on the glass. A caution about cleaning Novacan Black patina, though. I find it's quite delicate and goes brown if I wash directly after application. I usually rinse in plain warm water right after application to get the excess off the glass, leave the piece out to cure for 24 hours, and then clean with the CJ's. Works great and the black stays black. Once the panel is clean and neutral, you should apply a finishing compound to seal the surfaces against airborne pollution and bring up the shine of the glass and metal surfaces. This only makes sense for something that is expected to last for 100 years. I have used only one "finishing" product since I began making panels about 10 years ago: a metal polish called Blue Magic. It comes in a tube like toothpaste, and a tiny amount (1/4" long squirt) is rubbed onto my hands and then rubbed lightly over the surface of a wet panel. Buff with a clean towel to a high shine. Even the first panels I made still retain their brand-new brightness of solder and patina. (I guess this would be a problem if you WANT your work to have an "aged" look.) None have ever crusted over. I have watched my stained-glass teacher try several "glass waxes" and "glass finishing compounds" over that same period, and the work frequently develops an oxide crust after a few months. These products may offer temporary shine but I don't think they provide the long-term protection. Now the bad news: I can no longer find Blue Magic anywhere, nor can I locate the company that made it! ARGHH! I understand it used to be a favorite of bikers for polishing chrome and plexi windshields, but the bike shops around here don't have a clue. I have just finished my last tube and will have to find a replacement. I intend to try another non-abrasive metal polish like Simichrome or Silvo. Of course, it will take 10 years to figure out if the new one works as well as the old, but I can at least report on the short-term results. Anyone out there know where to get more Blue Magic? Elizabeth Johnson dmj@cyberportal.net > -----Original Message----- > From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com [mailto:SGriffiSBG@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:48 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: soldering question > > > Quite some time ago I mentioned I was working on my first > project. Well, I > have finished tacking, tinning two sides, and beading the side > that is going > to be soldered on top of a brass (questionable content there) > ring. Each step > was followed according to my book. > > Before I put the bead solder on I cleaned the project with a > commercial glass > cleaner to remove flux and then started the bead solder. Nowhere > do I read > whether the bead has to be applied to both sides of the project. > Do I do both > sides or the side that will be displayed only? > > Also after beading the book says to wash with dishsoap mixed with sodium > bicarbonate (baking soda?)to neutralize. To nuturalize what? It > also doesn't > not give percentages for the mixture. Does anyone do that? I > ended up just > using dishsoap (dawn) and did not immerse it in water but rinsed in warm > water. What goes--works here? > > Now I am planning on putting copper patina on it and will finish > it off with a > finishing compound. However the book says after applying patina > to clean the > project thoroughly with warm water and a neutralizing solution > which is what? > and why does it have to be neutralized? > > After the finishing compound is applied the project is maintained with an > ammonia-free commercial window cleaner. Any suggestions as to brand as I > though all commercial window cleaners had ammonia in it. > > One last question. After all this is done when do I solder the > ring to the > project and do I wrap foil around the ring at solder contact > points or copper > wire (what gauge if this is the way to go). > > Thanks for all the help :-) Shirley G > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 11:08:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:48:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Shirley's List" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Fw: Coments welcomed Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:45:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.14539.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: kpkkc To: Bob E Duchesneau Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Coments welcomed >Thank you so much for your kind comments, as for the mold for other states >sorry have no idea, we found this mold and pattern in a glass shop in Fort >Worth Texas while there on a visit. Mold has no manufacturers stamo or >anything on it, have the number for the shop, will give them a call and >let you know, if they can help. Kyle & Pat > >Bob E Duchesneau wrote: > >> Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 >> Think glass: have class. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Glass Expressions >> To: Bob E Duchesneau >> Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 5:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Coments welcomed >> >> >I REALLY LIKE YOU WORK - WHERE DID YOU ORDER THE SPECIAL MOLD OF >> TEXAS- AND >> >DO THEY HAVE ALL STATES? LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR HELP ON INDIANA AND >> >KENTUCKY MOLD THANKS SO MUCH RICKY E-MAIL glassx@bardstown.com >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Bob E Duchesneau >> >To: Bungi ; Shirley's List >> >Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 3:16 PM >> >Subject: Coments welcomed >> > >> > >> >>>>Pat and Kyles Projects >> >>>>check it out would love coments , questions or suggestions >> >> http://www.media-net.net/ftpclients/lambdaep/test2/projectindex.htm >> >>>> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 11:18:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:22:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-96633937-359 Subject: Re: my work Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:16:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar3.11640.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-96633937-359 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I'm curious as to why someone would sign thier work...panel or lamp, when the design has come from a pattern book or a lamp shade from the Worden patterns. It seems like the same as signing a paint by number painting. --WebTV-Mail-96633937-359 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language together. --WebTV-Mail-96633937-359 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.92) by postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:37:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id VAA04913; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:37:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:04:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Howard" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: my work Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:08:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar2.1686.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Howard To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 9:52 PM Subject: my work > >>From the beginning I have signed and numbered all my work. Just out of curiosity... how do you sign it? I had thought about signing some of my pieces with a dremel, but my practice sig's looked so dreadful I decided to pass on that. It's not as if I'm LCTiffany anyway. But where would you sign the piece, and using what? I assume on a shade, perhaps inside on an obscure, fairly opaque piece of glass. What about on a panel? Just curious. Thanks Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-96633937-359-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 11:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:16:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: non-glass Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:09:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.2918.0> Precedence: bulk If you have seen the revolting turn of events of the new carissa, I can give you eyeball (from afar) view. I can see it fom my windows (about 2 miles away).......It is BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some oil starting to show as tarballs and for sure, the Alsea Bay area is a very productive habitat for most of the estuary as well as sea critters. I have decided not to get in the way by going there. We are expecting very high tides and they may drive it further up the beach. When my wife and I went to bed (early caused by our weekly Tuesday power failure), I jokingly mentioned that we will probably wake up to seeing it on our beach.....missed by a mile. later, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 11:33:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:19:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Carol Tombro" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.21942.0> Precedence: bulk A million years ago, when our kid was in elementary school, art was still taught. With a rural and very underfunded district, art was slated to be "cut". Most of the art students( keep in mind ELEMENTARY) got together and went to a SCHOOL BOARD meeting to INSIST this specific teacher stay on. The school board just could not believe the kids "did" this, but the teacher was retained! The teacher had taken a few groups to Portland to the art museums, on other field trips and spent a ot of time showing the kid works from many artists, discussing theory, styles ns so on. My kid, (30) still enjoys painting, and doing ART and has not forgotten this teacher! When we used to travel with our son, and we have been in about 38 or so states, we usually go to at least one museum and he has kept track of them. later, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 11:52:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:41:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: New patterns and results of poll Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:39:04 -0500 Message-ID: <199903031839.NAA16792@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk I thought that you might be interested: After some mining, I found the following new patterns this month (from my web site: http://aries27.uwaterloo.ca/nglass/index.html) New patterns! nGlass Posted on Wednesday March 03, @01:27PM from the pattern-mining dept. March is here and with it new free patterns. Dodge Studio has a little Irish boy [8] . Warner-Crivellaro has 10 flowers and 9 beautiful rabbits [9]. A Pane in the Glass has added [10]4 patterns: a penguin, a kangaroo, a finch and a toucan. Jana's Stained Glass has 4 patterns with diverse themes[11]. Meredith Stained Glass has not updated its patterns page [12]; its last pattern its a strange celebration of the year 2000 --posted in January. Successfull Alternatives has two landscapes [13]. Suzanne Cooper includes a Celtic Knot [14]. SGB Studios has posted its patterns of the month: a hat and a turtle [15] (I wonder how many people will want a stained-glass turtle :) That's all folks. As usual, the free patterns are for sun catchers and most of them rather simple. 8. http://www.dodgestudio.com/free.htm 9. http://www.warner-criv.com/patterns/blossoms.asp 10. http://www.ila.com/graphics/glass/patterns/index.htm 11. http://www.snowcrest.net/janas/patterns.htm 12. http://www.meredithglass.com/patterns.htm 13. http://go-steeltown.com/shopping_site/Glass_Site/sucpat.htm 14. http://www.suzannecooper.com/glass/freeglass.html 15. http://members.aol.com/sgbds/sample4.html Also, I run the following poll: What glass do you use the most? Displaying results of the poll. Spectrum 31 / 44% Armstrong 0 / 0% Uroboros 4 / 5% Wissmach 4 / 5% Kokomo 1 / 1% Youghiogheny 13 / 18% Bullseye 6 / 8% Other 4 / 5% 69 total votes. dmg -- Daniel M. German "Science clears the fields on which W. Heisenberg -> technology can build. " http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 11:55:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:58:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Suzanne , Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:53:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.85345.0> Precedence: bulk Hmmmm...... I don't think Michelangelo or Da Vinci were under-appreciated= or under-paid..... = Best, Dani Greer (who isn't under-appreciated or under-paid either.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 12:11:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:35:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "Dean Johnson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Blue Magic Supplier Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:27:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.92727.0> Precedence: bulk >Anyone out there know where to get more Blue Magic? Here is a place to buy it: http://detailingdepot.com/bluemagi.htm Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 12:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:38:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Dean Johnson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: cleaning and finishing foiled panels Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.93643.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Dean Johnson" >Non-neutral pH will eventually break down the metals. I advise people w= ho have my panels to dry-dust, and if they must clean any greasy residue (panels in a kitchen, for instance) to use a mild detergent solution and rinse with plain water, buff to a shine with a clean towel. < For cleaning the glass, we use Orvus detergent (purchased at livestock supply facilities as it is also used as horse shampoo) as recommended by Julie Sloan in her book "Conservation of Stained Glass in America." A wo= rd of warning... a very little goes a looonnngg way. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 12:26:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:00:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 14:37:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.63755.0> References: <<36DD6382.47F3@ix.netcom.com>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Suzanne, You are fortunate to have friends who feel the way they do about their children's education and take it upon themselves to enhance it. Your children are also fortunate that you take the time to teach them to read at an early age; reading, to me, is the key that opens all of the doors that we've been talking about. I am not bashing families where both parents work. It is hard enough to raise children and see that they're properly educated even when only one parent works. Been there and done that. I am very unhappy with the present condition of our public schools, however. "If" they take away music as a curriculum and divert that money to football, I have a big problem with that. Our public schools are not producing well rounded students, which has led to a very large increase in home educated children by concerned parents who feel the way I feel. Howard was lucky that his children - many years ago (g) went to a school that evidently listened to what the majority of the children wanted in their curriculum and a teacher who reacted to their wishes. Things were a little different then. There was more of a respect for values and education and less on becoming a millionaire before the age of 30. Hence, the proliferation of MBAs, and I am not bashing them either. This is our social scene and it's up to us if we want it changed. Do we want more funding for the arts or do we let a Ken Starr spend over $50,000,000 in a virtually unchecked investigation. That money could have been used in so many different ways to benefit the arts, education, etc. We really can't complain though, can we? We let our government do this just as we let our local governments take away music classes, art appreciation classes, etc. It's funny how a few vocal people can make a difference as in Howard's case. Back off my soap box. I yield it to the next bungian. Carol T Suzanne wrote: > Parents teach their children based on what is important to them. > I started reading individually with each of my children as soon at > around 4-5 months old. I have always had a great love of books, and > have done my best to pass that on to my children. It has worked. > My daughters favorite activity is to read. She is in the 3rd grade and > reads on an 8th grade level. We go to the library once a week. > My son and I read 6-8 books a day. We read several at naptime, and more > again at bedtime. > > We have some original artwork at home, but mostly signed *prints*. I > cant afford to purchase original art usually. I take my kids to > museums, and supply music classes, dance....etc....as I can afford to > pay for it. > > Most of the parents I know do the same. None of the parents I know > leave it all up to the school. In fact, all the parents I know are > on the backs of the school because they dont do enough. > > There is *no* music offered at my daughters elementary school. To me > that is sinful. I dont leave it up to them....but they sure should have > it as a part of the curriculum. > > I think it is really easy to say parents dont do these things..but > *every parent I know is very involved with providing well rounded > educational and cultural opportunities for their kids. Even the ones > that both work full time. > > Tulsa Suzanne > > > > > How many kids are taught early in life to appreciate art? How many kids > > are taken to museums by their parents early in life? In my experience, > > very few have the opportunities to even begin to appreciate art; they > > are not taught. Usually both parents work and to them quality time isn't > > spent helping their child to appreciate good books, opera, or individual > > artists, etc. Supposedly, this is a job that school is supposed to be > > doing. > > -- > "Winning isn't always finishing first. > Sometimes winning is just finishing." > Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 12:49:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:39:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Katherine Walters" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.93633.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Katherine Walters" >"high artists,"< I don't think this expression really exists in our culture - "cutting edg= e" is more definitive of what's considered the "finest" and I use the term loosely. I think most of the populace and many, many artists have not connected with what's going on in the arts this century. "Art for Arts Sake", the concept that has driven 20th century art, is difficult to comprehend. I've studied art and I'm not sure *I "get it". Mostly I resent that almost all my teachers tried to cram the concept down my thro= at as the end-all-and-be-all of art. I was raised in Europe and consequentl= y, much of my passion for art and tradition is rooted in the history of art.= = In a nutshell, I am anything but cutting-edge! I'm down-right old-fashioned. Funny thing about that... I'm one of the few artists I kn= ow who make a good living at my art. I have to believe it's because my art = is understandable and straightforward and makes a serious attempt at beauty.= = People like it. Gee, you think I'm onto something here???!!! = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 12:56:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:40:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: (Fwd) Reply to Pamela Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.93641.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for taking the time to educate us, Julie. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 13:56:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:16:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Blue Magic Supplier Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:14:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.51414.0> Precedence: bulk Go to: http://www.lightningstrip.com/blue.htm for a place to order Blue Magic through the mail. Cost about $12.00 for a small tube. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 14:27:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:53:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sining work Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:51:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.55134.0> Precedence: bulk I do not sign most of my work. Once in a while a client will ask for the work to be signed and about as often I want to sign a window without being asked. I use a common cheap (about $8.00 US) engraver sold at the hardware store for marking property to reduce thieft. With a little practice I was able to make neat markings on glass. I sign my work with a capital R inside of a capital D, a date, such as, "'99" and a serial letter/number like "A03". Always use lower right hand corner and lower and smaller than any dedication or doner information. There is a theory that signed work sells more readily than unsigned work. I believe it to be true. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 14:28:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:35:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:31:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.53140.0> Precedence: bulk Someday people are going to wake up and discover that it is the work of art that counts and not the name of the artist. Why should artists be known by name? Are they more important than, say, naval architects? Of all the thousands of ships designed for the navy and marine in the US I can only name two of the designers. That is most likely because their product is far more important than their name. Tell me you have a Tiffiny lamp and I have learned to hold on to my hat while I take a look. Just never can tell how good or bad it is going to be. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 14:45:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:56:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: (Fwd) Reply to Pamela Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:54:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.55414.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Albert, put her on more often. Makes the complex easy to understand! Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 15:01:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:07:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fidnet.com!dawnm From: "Dawn" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: my work Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:56:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.05615.0> Precedence: bulk Blake, I just bought a Dremel last week and a diamond bit for signing my name. After practicing on some scrap glass first, I signed my name and date on the back of a piece *before* I tack soldered the pieces together. I still wasn't brave enough to do it on the front or on a finished piece. I wanted to be able to recut the piece if I screwed up too bad. Did you use the special diamond tip for engraving on glass? Does anyone use the engravers sold for specifically this purpose? Are they basically the same thing as the Dremel? I bought the Dremel for cutting zinc. What other applications are the Dremels good for when it comes to stained glass. Does anyone use it to polish the solder lines on copper foil work? Dawn (The one in Missouri, since I see we now have another Dawn) -----Original Message----- From: Blake, Wayne, & Susan To: Howard Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 9:27 PM Subject: Re: my work > >-----Original Message----- >From: Howard >To: Pamela Burns-Tappan >Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 9:52 PM >Subject: my work > > >> >>>From the beginning I have signed and numbered all my work. > >Just out of curiosity... how do you sign it? >I had thought about signing some of my pieces with a dremel, but my practice >sig's looked so dreadful I decided to pass on that. It's not as if I'm >LCTiffany anyway. But where would you sign the piece, and using what? I >assume on a shade, perhaps inside on an obscure, fairly opaque piece of >glass. What about on a panel? > >Just curious. >Thanks >Blake >:-) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 15:22:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:22:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass intrastar line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Any teachers in Baltimore area? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:23:38 -0500 Message-ID: <199903032219.RAA10918@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi - A student of mine has a grandson who lives in the Baltimore-Towson area, and he has expressed an interest in learning stained glass. Anybody live around there who teaches, and would like a new student? Please e-mail me privately if so. Thanks. Suzanne Albright suzy@comcat.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 16:10:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:38:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: cleaning and finishing foiled panels Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:44:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.6449.0> Precedence: bulk A note on Novacan Black patina: It seems to work better if there is some iron present during application. I use a brush with a steel ferrule (the band that holds the bristles). I knew to try this trick from my metal working experience where most black patinas work better if the application method has some ferrous metal (steel or iron) to drive the patina reaction in the direction of the non-ferrous metal (the non-iron solder in this case). However, never leave the ferrous metal in contact with the patina compound longer than for application time and always use a small amount of patina compound poured into a separate container and then disposed of. The ferrous metal is temporarily pushing the reaction more strongly in the direction of the solder. Longer contact will ruin the patina compound. Also, the same is not true of many other patina compounds (copper, silver, etc.). As previously noted ferrous metals seem to harm the patina process for many of these. You will also need to experiment (cautiously) with other brands of black patina. Always use eye protection, an air filter mask, a well ventilated area, and gloves when using chemicals you are not totally familiar with. Unexpected reactions can cause splattering and fumes which could be harmful. None of the patina compounds I know of actually list their chemical content and I have found trying to get this information from most suppliers difficult at best. And even if you knew the content, I think you would need an advanced degree in chemistry to know for sure what would happen. Note: I only have a high school level knowledge of chemistry. If any of you chemists out there want to correct me on any of the above, or if I have used the wrong terms, please feel free to comment. I won't mind and I am always happy to learn more. -----Original Message----- From: Dean Johnson To: Bungi List Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:27 AM Subject: RE: cleaning and finishing foiled panels ... ... >A caution about cleaning Novacan Black patina, though. I find it's quite >delicate and goes brown if I wash directly after application. I usually >rinse in plain warm water right after application to get the excess off the >glass, leave the piece out to cure for 24 hours, and then clean with the >CJ's. Works great and the black stays black. > ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 16:30:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:38:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wood frames Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:34:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.73459.0> Precedence: bulk I have never framed in poplar. I have never had any problem with pine or oak with either lead or zinc came. I have also framed in Western Alder, which is known for being reactive with steel nails (it turns black). I have not had problems with lead came, but I do not recall if I have ever done a zinc came piece with alder. No other woods I have used have reacted with either metal. Will the panel be exposed to weather? I do not believe poplar is considered to be very good for weather resistance. Oak has more expansion/contraction than the other two woods. However, if the glass is properly "floating" in the frame, there should not be any problem. You should never frame with the glass panel tight (side to side tight) in the groove of the frame. To do so is asking for cracked glass later as the wood frame shifts around the glass. I generally use standard glaziers points to hold the panel slightly off the bottom of the frame groove. They keep the glass from shifting downward in the frame while still allowing any excessive force to be absorbed by the glass pushing down the glaziers points down rather than cracking the glass. Lately I have also been using a bead of long-life latex caulk between the outer edge of the glass panel and the wood frame groove. I find it gives a very solid feel to the finished unit yet still allows the glass enough float to absorb shifts in the wood frame. Of course you can use standard window putties, glaziers butyl tape, or many other materials for the same purpose. I have used all those in different applications Note: Never use a caulk containing silicones on wood you intend to finish later. Any contamination with silicones, even a small finger smudge, will resist literally all finishes and prevent proper penetration and adhesion. Silicone contamination is a major cause of fish eye in clear finishes and lift-off in paints. Also - To all of you in the previous copper foil versus lead came threads. I feel proper framing techniques are much more critical for the long term life of a panel than whether it is done in lead came or foil. Yes, the lead came will absorb more tangental presure than the foil, but why use lead came to make up for improper framing? -----Original Message----- From: James C. Kelly To: bungi Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: Wood frames >Hi all, >I'm jumping out of lurker mode for >some more help. >Subject being wood framing of panels. >I have available to me from local >sources pine, poplar and oak >framing with channels as = > >usually designed for stained glass. > >1. Specific question - I have been >asked to wood frame a 2 x 2 foot panel >currently framed in zinc. Using = > >1 3/8 framing size, can I use any of the = > >above wood materials for this job. >2. Non-specific - what are the = > >wise limitations of pine and poplar >as framing materials for stained glass >if a panel is framed in lead and = > >similarly if a panel is framed in zinc. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Jim >Jim Kelly >Virginia Beach VA >gcanvas@compuserve.com >Sunday, February 28, 1999 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 16:30:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:38:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:05:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.756.0> Precedence: bulk I feel the attitudes against artists in the education system continues well beyond grade school into the universities. When I was getting my bachelors I always ran a double major of both computer science and art (sculpture). Several times I had to quite literally fight to not be kicked out of the computer science programs because the university officials felt I was wasting too much time on "useless art stuff". This despite always carrying the full required course load in computer science and frequently being on the Deans Honor List for my GPA. (California State University at Chico) And when I graduated I was not allowed to get my Bachelor of Arts despite having completed the full required art curriculum. Since Computer Science is a Bachelor of Science degree and Art (sculpture) is a Bachelor of Arts, you are required to complete at least one full years course load after getting one degree before being granted the other. Sorry to say, I had already racked up enough debt in student loans and I felt I needed to earn some money, so I never got the art degree. As I understand it this requirement is a standard part of degree accreditation for all North American universities. What a stupid attitude! To force people into roles which say a technical person can not be an artist and/or artists are useless in other fields is totally ignorant. No wonder countries which focus so much on their technical might as do the United States and Canada undervalue artists. If people can not look beyond their own narrow roles, what can you expect. (I feel I have a right to comment on both Canada and the U.S.A because I grew up in the U.S. as a citizen there and I am now living in Canada as a Canadian citizen). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 16:54:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:09:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Texas mold Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:07:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.8735.0> Precedence: bulk Someone wanted to know where a stepping stone mold for TX was available. It is available through Houston Stained Glass Supply, a wholesaler. They also have a butterfly and flower mold . No sizes given. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 17:04:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:13:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: my work Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <199903040008.TAA22717@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/3/99 11:56 AM Dawn dawnm@fidnet.com >I bought the Dremel for cutting zinc. What other applications are the >Dremels good for when it comes to stained glass. Does anyone use >it to polish the solder lines on copper foil work? > >Dawn >(The one in Missouri, since I see we now have another Dawn) Dawn, yes I have used the Dremel to buff solder lines, and old copper channeling. It works like a dream. It's the only application I've used so far. Which bit do you use for cutting zinc? Sounds better than the old hacksaw. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 17:31:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:28:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:32:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199903040025.TAA26776@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Tell me you have a Tiffiny lamp and I have learned to hold on to my > hat while I take a look. Just never can tell how good or bad it is > going to be. Bob Yes, the Tiffany Studio produced a lot of dreck for bucks in addition to a slew of really dynamite stuff. They also painted on a lot of glass, Louis' protestations to the contrary notwithstanding. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 19:13:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:30:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Wood frames Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:29:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.16292.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the comments on my questions regarding the use of wood frames. Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com Wednesday, March 03, 1999 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 19:42:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:31:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.16290.0> Precedence: bulk Candy said >>I VERY MUCH agree with Pam here... I have pieces of art (not >>only glass) which I have purchased, and the ones I value most >>are the ones where I met and talked with the artist! = I recently took the opportunity to work in an established upscale art gallery. First time for me = to actually see the retail side of a market as my previous life as a Navy guy allowed me to just fill out a chit to get something. It is intriguing to me to see how many customers want to know about the artists, who they are, where the art comes from, how it is done. Yes many are just looking for a gift but it is surprising how many want artist information. And no question they are most happy when the art is a signed piece. To add to the thread....... Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com Wednesday, March 03, 1999 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 19:57:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:39:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bigpond.com!ktsplash From: ktsplash To: 'Pamela Burns-Tappan' Subject: RE: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:39:39 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.223939.0> Precedence: bulk Just don't get me started on politics! :) katie (soapbox rambler extraordinaire) -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan [SMTP:ptap@pacifier.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:51 PM To: Katherine Walters Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! One word :) BRAVO!! Pam :) -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 20:12:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:40:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bigpond.com!ktsplash From: ktsplash To: 'Suzanne' Subject: RE: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:46:03 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.4463.0> Precedence: bulk Oh Suzanne, in my other life I work in a bookstore, you have no IDEA how hard it is read everything that I want to read! (and to pay for all those books I've just GOT to have!) Odd isn't it how people will open up over books, I've had customers tell me the same sort of thing as your librarian. Domestic violence, schizophrenia, third marriages breaking down. I sometimes feel booksellers need degrees in psychology! What a life, huh... books and glass, some people just get lucky i guess! -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne [SMTP:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 2:07 PM To: Katherine Walters Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! > Now compare that with the success of something like Angela's Ashes (Frank > McCourt). A Pulitzer Prize winner, it carries that same tag of LITERATURE (I > hate that word), and yet it got inside the bones of millions of readers, it > moved them, they felt it as part of themselves and took the author into > their own life. > Oh Good, now I have another book I gotta read....something about having my bones moved! YEEEeeeHaaaaw! ;o) Took someones advice and got a couple of books on tape at the library the other day. HAve been listening while I soldered. Made the mistake of asking the librarian to recommend something, as I am not up on the latest. The social worker in me has decided the librarian is an incest survivor as she seems to be obsessed by it. I found it even more shocking having it read to me *out loud. Think next time I will find a more upbeat librarian! ;o) Mayber there is an eccentric artist type moonlighting. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 20:22:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:58:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: ktsplash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:01:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.15144.0> References: <<01BE663C.189F0C20@MDIP-A-003-pool-184.tmns.net.au>> Precedence: bulk > Oh Suzanne, in my other life I work in a bookstore, you have no IDEA >how hard it is read everything that I want to read! Oh, yes I do, I have a son that just turned 3. He is challenging all that is good in me! ;o) Thank God, I adore him. My blood pressure is probably on the high side tonight! T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 20:28:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:02:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stained Glass Suppliers in Europe Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:57:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.10572.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk If anyone has a suggestion here for this lady I will e-mail her your responses. Thanks...... Julie wrote: Greetings! I am serving as a missionary in Hungary and since there is no salary, I thought I would set up a stained glass studio again. Problem is that I need to make money, and the 2 suppliers I've found in Budapest import their German produced glass from the U.S. at the whopping cost of $100 US mind you, per sq. meters. Why not take a drive and get it from Germany? The young woman was not willing to share the name of the company and I'm not able to find anything via search engines. Can anyone help Thank you so much. -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 20:47:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:41:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp10.math.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Visiting Elisabeth Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: <199903040339.WAA00494@ppp10.math.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Although I tried to keep a low profile on my visit to our favorite Scandinavian glass artist, it has become common knowledge :) And some of you wonder about it. I visited London in a way to a conference in Germany. London is where my best friend lives and I had not seen her for more than a year. This a perfect opportunity. Since I was going to be close by and I keep a consider Elisabeth a friend, I decided to get in touch to see if I could visit her. She was very happy to receive me. After some investigation I learned that the place where she lives is 30 minutes from London. I decided to stop by in way back from Germany (last Friday) and visit for one day. As we well know, we all have mental images of our correspondents --unless we have seen photos of them, many for example have seen my photo. So I had mine of Elisabeth and wonder for the train journey how different she would be. She is not the first person that I have meet electronically and later in person. So I have some experience. I have to say it is rather amusing and enjoyable experience. I got to Luton. I called her. A friend of her answer the phone and explained me --after confirming I was the visitor-- that Elisabeth was walking Toby and she would pick me. I explained what I looked like and she was there in 15 minutes. We had an interesting chat during the trip. Jenny is a good friend of Elisabeth and restores furniture (and in England you can really find old stuff, not like in Canada and the US :) She took me to E's place. My first sight after I step in was a box full of glass. Yes, it was the right place. E was waiting for me and gave me a huge hug. I will not go into the details on how much she was alike the image I made of her :) neither I'd say anything about her so the surprise will be bigger when she comes to the US later this year. I have to say, I have some photographs of E and Toby though :) I stayed overnight in her place. We had a wonderful evening. Jenny stayed over also --she had a show to attend on Saturday close by. I was able to see get a tour of E's toolbox. A very interesting combination of do-it-yourself tools. I also took a tour around her home studio --she claims it is only used for small pieces, as the big ones are made in a different place. She showed me her books, which were very interesting. And she also gave me some quick lessons on stained-glass. (You have to remember i am total rookie). I also got to see her newly built garden swing. She made it totally herself! She is very excited about her visit to the US later this year. I am sure that she will be a very interesting instructor. The way they do SG there is not too different from here --came based-- but they don't have the money to buy the tools. She gave as a souvenir a British mail order catalog. It was interesting to see that the prices were almost twice --compare to those in the US-- for everything, from glass to tools. No wonder they don't have all the toys we buy around here. She showed me her itinerary. I believe she will travel around 20Mm (for those who are not familiar with the international system, this is 25 million meters, or 25,000 km). She is going from London to California, then to the East Coast, to Denver, to Seattle back to Florida and then to London. Sounds crazy. Albert, I think, sent her a map of the US where she keeps marks of the important Bungi places. Interestingly, her home only has 2 small panels. One made by herself. I gave her a little sun-catcher I had designed and build. Hopefully it will be added to the small collection :) Her portfolio is very impressive. I was even shown one of the panels from the road. It reminded me the painting by Monet "Lady with the Umbrella" (I think I have the title all wrong :) Dinner was wonderful. Stuffed peppers, which reminded me of the Mexican version of the same dish. At the end of the day, when I went to bed, she recommended I closed carefully the door, unless I wanted to have Toby all over me licking my face. Regarding Toby. I don't know much about dogs. I thought it was one of those 20 cm dogs. I was mistaken. It is HUGE! The next day we had breakfast. She took me to the train station on her way to her class --she is getting a course in order to be certified as a teacher. The visit was a wonderful one indeed. -- Daniel M. German http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 21:02:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:07:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "the Barker family" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Pressed flowers in glass pieces Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:04:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.16429.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! Is this ever a neat discussion group! Kudos to all of you who = know so much and are so willing to share. =20 Re: The thread about shining the bead on suncatchers; I use turtle wax = (I don't like to wax my car anyway so I sneaked it out of my husband's = shop!) and it has worked very well so far... no oxidation or = discoloration. Got a new question... I found a site which has pressed flowers between = bevels and glass, in windows and suncatchers. They claim to have = developed a technique using transparent floral dyes and some sort of UV = inhibitor to retain the color of the flowers they use. Anyone ever = heard of this? I love the look of the pressed flowers, and being a bit = of an herbalist, have lots of variety in plants available, but *sigh* = none that don't fade out in the sunlight. Thanks everyone! It's wonderful getting to "know" you all! : ) Dawn Marie ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all!  Is this ever a neat = discussion=20 group!  Kudos to all of you who know so much and are so willing to=20 share. 
 
Re: The thread about shining the = bead on=20 suncatchers; I use turtle wax (I don't like to wax my car anyway so I = sneaked it=20 out of my husband's shop!) and it has worked very well so far... no = oxidation or=20 discoloration.
 
Got a new question... I found a site = which has=20 pressed flowers between bevels and glass, in windows and = suncatchers.  They=20 claim to have developed a technique using transparent floral dyes and = some sort=20 of UV inhibitor to retain the color of the flowers they use.  = Anyone ever=20 heard of this? I love the look of the pressed flowers, and being a bit = of an=20 herbalist, have lots of variety in plants available, but *sigh* none = that don't=20 fade out in the sunlight.
 
Thanks everyone!  It's = wonderful getting to=20 "know" you all!
 
: )
 
Dawn = Marie
------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 3 22:53:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:56:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Pressed flowers in glass pieces Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:24:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.192419.0> Precedence: bulk >>They claim to have developed a technique using transparent floral dyes >>and some sort of UV inhibitor to retain the color of the flowers they use. >>Anyone ever heard of this? Well, unless it is something completely different.....my local 'craft super store' has these items in their silk flower arranging section..... The dyes can come in a pump bottle or liquid (and I think a powder)......The UV protectorant comes in a pump bottle. I have never tried these items...but I know they exist. Hope this helps! Take Care, Soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya may reached at... soraya@cros.net ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya's Witches' Thicket at.... http://www.cros.net/soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Do not attempt to do a thing unless you are sure of yourself; but do not relinquish it simply because someone else is not sure of you." -Stewart E. White ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 01:54:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:11:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: "'Glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Why aren't artists celebrated? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:10:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.91011.0> Precedence: bulk >American universities. >What a stupid attitude! To force people into roles which say a technical >person can not be an artist and/or artists are useless in other fields is >totally ignorant. No wonder countries which focus so much on their >technical might as do the United States and Canada undervalue artists. If >people can not look beyond their own narrow roles, what can you expect. >(I feel I have a right to comment on both Canada and the U.S.A because I >grew up in the U.S. as a citizen there and I am now living in Canada as a >Canadian citizen). It is just the same in the UK in general. Here at Birmingham Uni we are better off with an outgoing modern art dept which fights for every penny they get. also within campus we have a world class art museum that any of us can go and see major works of art on a regular basis within easy walking distance. Interesting to note however here this city is a center for engineering design especially cars which are major engineering.None of the cars would sell however without major artistic influence in the design(artists sell cars not engineers.) Brandon S. Joness ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 03:27:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:34:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: dmj@cyberportal.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cleaning and finishing foiled panels Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:32:30 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar4.103230.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Elizabeth J., How very interesting that Novacan Black needs curing! I am impressed. I actually purchased about 3 bottles of a grey patina that is ancient (company went out of business) in order to avoid the (ugh!) brown look that Novacan gives off. Great information on the Blue Magic also. I will check around and give it a try if I can locate it along with passing on location info. Do you live in the states? If so, what section of the country do you reside? Asking because of Blue Magic. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 06:32:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:50:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Stained Glass Suppliers in Europe Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.3373.0> Precedence: bulk She should take a look at http://www.bastelzauber.com. The owner of the store is also on bungi. His name is Herbert. Dany http://www.city-net.com/~dany -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:33 PM Subject: Stained Glass Suppliers in Europe >If anyone has a suggestion here for this lady I will e-mail her your >responses. Thanks...... > >Julie wrote: > >Greetings! > >I am serving as a missionary in Hungary and since there is no salary, I >thought I would set up a stained glass studio again. Problem is that I >need to make money, and the 2 suppliers I've found in Budapest import >their German produced glass from the U.S. at the whopping cost of $100 >US mind you, per sq. meters. > >Why not take a drive and get it from Germany? The young woman was not >willing to share the name of the company and I'm not able to find >anything via >search engines. > >Can anyone help > >Thank you so much. > > > >-- >********************************* > >Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists > >Moswood Mountain Limited >http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited >http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 07:36:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:49:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" To: "James C. Kelly" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:49:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.44924.0> References: <<1999Mar3.16290.0>> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk Just last week the art gallery where I have been showing/selling has called me up to ask that I submit an "artists profile". Their customers want to know about me! Ah shucks, I got off the phone grinning like an idiot and called my mom. Her daughter the "artist" (add New York accent here). When I brought in my first pieces I was signing with the engraving/etch pen. They suggested I get an engraver to make it cleaner. I got the dremel. I just have to remember not to press too hard, dremel does the work. K See (still smiling) Alexandria, VA James C. Kelly wrote: > Candy said > > >>I VERY MUCH agree with Pam here... I have pieces of art (not > >>only glass) which I have purchased, and the ones I value most > >>are the ones where I met and talked with the artist! = > > I recently took the opportunity to > work in an established upscale > art gallery. First time for me = > > to actually see the retail side > of a market as my previous life > as a Navy guy allowed me to > just fill out a chit to get something. > It is intriguing to me to see how > many customers want to know > about the artists, who they are, > where the art comes from, > how it is done. Yes many are > just looking for a gift but it is > surprising how many want > artist information. And no > question they are most happy > when the art is a signed piece. > To add to the thread....... > Jim Kelly > Virginia Beach VA > gcanvas@compuserve.com > Wednesday, March 03, 1999 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 07:54:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:56:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: charles@warner-criv.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Blue Magic Supplier Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:52:24 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar4.145224.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Charles, Thank you for the info on the polish. I think I will give it a try. Later, Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 12:02:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:12:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Belly dancer Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:11:33 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I know I spotted a belly dancer panel somewhere on the net. Does anyone recall URL? Thanks a bunch! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 12:03:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:55:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lead health info Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:58:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.15834.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Just thought I would share this. Shirley B March 2, 1999 NEW YORK (Reuters Health) -- Routine housecleaning can significantly reduce the blood lead levels of children living in lead-contaminated homes, researchers conclude. Regular cleaning aimed at removing lead dust from the home "is a safe and partially effective intervention that should be recommended for the large majority of lead-exposed children," according to researchers led by Dr. George Rhoads of The University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in Piscataway. The findings are published in the March issue of the journal Pediatrics. Environmental lead poisoning can lead to neurological deficits -- including reduced IQ -- in developing children. Although lead has been eliminated from most commercially available products for decades, US homes built before the advent of lead-free paint and plumbing may still present children with some risk of contamination. Although health experts recommend that children be removed from these types of environments, many families may find themselves unable to comply with these recommendations. In their study, the New Jersey team sought "to determine if a vigorous dust clean-up effort would reduce... (household) exposure" to lead. They assigned cleaning staff to mop, vacuum and wipe down the lead-contaminated homes of 56 children once every 2 weeks for 1 year. At the end of the study, levels of lead contamination in these homes were compared with those of 57 'control' homes that did not receive the intervention. The authors report that "dust loadings and lead loadings on sills and carpets were down by 50% or more" in homes receiving the biweekly cleanings compared with no-intervention homes. More importantly, child "blood lead (levels) fell 17% in the intervention group and did not change among controls," according to the researchers. Declines in blood lead levels seemed to rise with increasing frequency of housecleaning, they add. As part of the study, mothers were educated as to the risks of lead-contaminated environments. This education effort was positively associated with a drop in child blood lead levels, according to the investigators. The research team believes that education and cleaning efforts may benefit families who are unable, for whatever reason, to move their children away from lead-contaminated homes. Regular cleaning "does not require the permission or cooperation of landlords," they point out, "and has little potential to cause harm if done badly." SOURCE: Pediatrics 1999;103:551-555. Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited. All rights If a nun in full habit were to walk into a flock of emperess penguins, would the penquins think a large relative was visiting? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 12:20:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:23:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:21:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar4.19219.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/3/99 4:39:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, atwoods@aisl.bc.ca writes: << What a stupid attitude! To force people into roles which say a technical person can not be an artist and/or artists are useless in other fields is totally ignorant. >> Unfortunately we live in an age of specialization. In the past, there was a very close link between the arts and science. Leonardo was obviously a scientist/engineer but so was Michelangelo whose skills in architecture and building are sometimes overlooked. It used to drive me nuts that some people, believe that people who think logically are somehow creatively handicapped. I have always found it to be the exact opposite. People that understand the rules of a system can then "break thru" the rules to achieve great things. Some artists just break rules to be avant garde or to cover up a lack of craftsmanship. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 12:31:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:24:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Groan... Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:01:48 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar4.19148.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/3/99 11:57:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: << Hmmmm...... I don't think Michelangelo or Da Vinci were under-appreciated= or under-paid..... >> Well Michelangelo was certainly underpaid. Pope Julian rarely had any money, in fact he ran away from the pope for awhile and was hunted down and dragged back to Rome. The Renaissance was the first time in 1500 years, the artist was recognized as an individual and something more than a craftsperson. I think that artist as craftsperson is a much better identity. The work is whats important. When Alexander Calder was asked if what he did was "art" he always replied: "I'll leave that up to other people to argue about." Personally, I have a lot of trouble with the artist as a superstar. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 12:47:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:50:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "the Barker family" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Finishing foil project Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:54:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.75453.0> Precedence: bulk Dawn, Turtle wax is great for finishing or so it has been for me. It polishes the glass and solder lines with or without patina. I came across the first suncatcher I ever did this morning,,,,,,(that would make it 11 years old). There's not the first bit of whitish oxidation on anywhere. I was a little surprised due to it's age. I'm glad I chose to use it all this time. But I use the paste wax not liquid. I thin coat with a damp sponge, let it dry, and buff it good with my husband's old tee shirts. I use an old ( old is important) toothbrush to get the dried wax out of tiny spots that I can't get with a cloth. The only time there might be a problem is with glue chip or glass that has fractures in it like Duncan. I try not to wax the surface of that glass. Hard to get the wax out of the cracks even with a toothbrush. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: the Barker family To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:11 PM Subject: Pressed flowers in glass pieces >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Hi all! Is this ever a neat discussion group! Kudos to all of you who = >know so much and are so willing to share. =20 > >Re: The thread about shining the bead on suncatchers; I use turtle wax = >(I don't like to wax my car anyway so I sneaked it out of my husband's = >shop!) and it has worked very well so far... no oxidation or = >discoloration. > >Got a new question... I found a site which has pressed flowers between = >bevels and glass, in windows and suncatchers. They claim to have = >developed a technique using transparent floral dyes and some sort of UV = >inhibitor to retain the color of the flowers they use. Anyone ever = >heard of this? I love the look of the pressed flowers, and being a bit = >of an herbalist, have lots of variety in plants available, but *sigh* = >none that don't fade out in the sunlight. > >Thanks everyone! It's wonderful getting to "know" you all! > >: ) > >Dawn Marie > >------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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> >------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 14:03:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:38:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Finishing foil project Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.113756.0> References: <<1999Mar4.75453.0>> Precedence: bulk I use the Turtle wax as well for sealing and polishing my projects except when I've used a black patina, then I use KEM-O-PRO, it seems to work better. Jak N Wolfy wrote: > Dawn, > > Turtle wax is great for finishing or so it has been for me. It polishes the > glass and solder lines with or without patina. I came across the first > suncatcher I ever did this morning,,,,,,(that would make it 11 years old). > There's not the first bit of whitish oxidation on anywhere. I was a little > surprised due to it's age. I'm glad I chose to use it all this time. But I > use the paste wax not liquid. I thin coat with a damp sponge, let it dry, > and buff it good with my husband's old tee shirts. I use an old ( old is > important) toothbrush to get the dried wax out of tiny spots that I can't > get with a cloth. > The only time there might be a problem is with glue chip or glass that has > fractures in it like Duncan. I try not to wax the surface of that glass. > Hard to get the wax out of the cracks even with a toothbrush. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 17:05:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:38:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Visiting Elisabeth - too cold for bare feet Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:24:08 +0000 Message-ID: <199903050036.AAA14321@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Daniel was just as gracious a person as I imagined him to be. There was no way I could NOT share my delight with you all, of him stopping over. My concern was that - being STILL on the "recovery list" - my home was only "marginally" less of a tip than the week before and that I was not quite my cantankerous and "bouncy" self. I hoped that Daniel would just "take me as he found me", which he so very graciously also did. I'll walk barefoot with Daniel, anytime....;-> I was particularly delighted at meeting Daniel, as there might not be a chance of seeing him when I get to USA..... I may be travelling distances.... but no where near to Waterloo in Canada. Daniel forgot to mention that the peppers were too dry; that he told and taught me loads of things about photography. But he did tuck into the Apfelstrudel (Hey!! Dani!! Does THAT ring a bell??!) I did have a wonderful time..... So did Toby (who realized quite gently that he was almost bigger than Daniel..... and was trying to be quite sensitive and polite about it.... An Old English tongue is a very LARGE one, it gets into everywhere.... especially when loving and enthusiastic....). It's quite true that I was quite amused when Daniel met Toby. I could really see how Daniel took a deep breath, not realizing that an OES has a spatial requirement and presence as much as a homo sapiens. Luckily, Toby was quite understanding, polite and gentle about it. It would probably have been totally different if Irish Mutton had been on the Menu...... Ah well, .... Please come again Daniel! Next time, we might really be able to show you around.....when it stops raining..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Daniel German wrote: > Although I tried to keep a low profile on my visit to our favorite > Scandinavian glass artist, it has become common knowledge :) > > And some of you wonder about it. > > > I visited London in a way to a conference in Germany. London is where > my best friend lives and I had not seen her for more than a year. This > a perfect opportunity. Since I was going to be close by and I keep a > consider Elisabeth a friend, I decided to get in touch to see if I > could visit her. > > She was very happy to receive me. After some investigation I learned > that the place where she lives is 30 minutes from London. I decided to > stop by in way back from Germany (last Friday) and visit for one day. > > As we well know, we all have mental images of our correspondents > --unless we have seen photos of them, many for example have seen my > photo. So I had mine of Elisabeth and wonder for the train journey how > different she would be. > > She is not the first person that I have meet electronically and later > in person. So I have some experience. I have to say it is rather > amusing and enjoyable experience. > > I got to Luton. I called her. A friend of her answer the phone and > explained me --after confirming I was the visitor-- that Elisabeth was > walking Toby and she would pick me. I explained what I looked like and > she was there in 15 minutes. We had an interesting chat during the > trip. Jenny is a good friend of Elisabeth and restores furniture (and > in England you can really find old stuff, not like in Canada and the > US :) > > She took me to E's place. My first sight after I step in was a box > full of glass. Yes, it was the right place. E was waiting for me and > gave me a huge hug. I will not go into the details on how much she was > alike the image I made of her :) neither I'd say anything about her so > the surprise will be bigger when she comes to the US later this > year. I have to say, I have some photographs of E and Toby though :) > > > I stayed overnight in her place. We had a wonderful evening. Jenny > stayed over also --she had a show to attend on Saturday close by. I > was able to see get a tour of E's toolbox. A very interesting > combination of do-it-yourself tools. I also took a tour around her > home studio --she claims it is only used for small pieces, as the big > ones are made in a different place. She showed me her books, which > were very interesting. And she also gave me some quick lessons on > stained-glass. (You have to remember i am total rookie). > > I also got to see her newly built garden swing. She made it totally > herself! > > She is very excited about her visit to the US later this year. I am > sure that she will be a very interesting instructor. The way they do > SG there is not too different from here --came based-- but they don't > have the money to buy the tools. She gave as a souvenir a British mail > order catalog. It was interesting to see that the prices were almost > twice --compare to those in the US-- for everything, from glass to > tools. No wonder they don't have all the toys we buy around here. > > She showed me her itinerary. I believe she will travel around 20Mm > (for those who are not familiar with the international system, this is 25 > million meters, or 25,000 km). She is going from London to California, > then to the East Coast, to Denver, to Seattle back to Florida and then > to London. Sounds crazy. Albert, I think, sent her a map of the US > where she keeps marks of the important Bungi places. > > > Interestingly, her home only has 2 small panels. One made by > herself. I gave her a little sun-catcher I had designed and > build. Hopefully it will be added to the small collection :) > > Her portfolio is very impressive. I was even shown one of the panels > from the road. It reminded me the painting by Monet "Lady with the > Umbrella" (I think I have the title all wrong :) > > > Dinner was wonderful. Stuffed peppers, which reminded me of the > Mexican version of the same dish. > > At the end of the day, when I went to bed, she recommended I closed > carefully the door, unless I wanted to have Toby all over me licking > my face. > > Regarding Toby. I don't know much about dogs. I thought it was one of > those 20 cm dogs. I was mistaken. It is HUGE! > > > The next day we had breakfast. She took me to the train station on her > way to her class --she is getting a course in order to be certified as > a teacher. > > The visit was a wonderful one indeed. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 19:42:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:05:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wood frames Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:58:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.105844.0> Precedence: bulk The glazier who originally taught me only used putty or caulk when the frame (window) design required it to actually hold the glass in place (as in a putty style window). Otherwise he felt it was just a waste and the glaziers points themselves would hold up the glass just fine. I however have seen a couple of cases where the points sagged down and allowed the glass to sag on one side and become crooked in the frame. So I now almost always use something more and depending on the frame assembly style I may not even use the glaziers points. I currently am only using the points as a temporary holding method until the putty or caulk (or as you will read later, caulking cord), is in place. This differs slightly from how I said it in my first post. I will let you know what I was taught and then what I am doing now and why. Hopefully the level of detail will not bore you... 1) If the frame sides are "one piece" (the groove is not open) and you are assembling the frame around the panel: I was taught to place the points down into the bottom of the groove with a flat edge up against the came. Only the bottom groove had points and the other three grooves just had space around the edge of the glass. The glass was held by pressure against the sides of an accurately cut groove. The glass can float in the frame to allow changes in the frame and other stress. The problem is that the glass can float too much and become cooked in the frame. I have found it difficult to correct this once it happens. I now run a bead of caulk or putty in the bottom of all four grooves and do not bother with the points. The groove and the soldering on the came do not need be nearly as exact because the caulk squeezes between the came and the groove sides or the putty can be pressed in from the outside. I personally find the putty approach a bit fiddly. By using a long life latex caulk in a colour appropriate to the project I can clean it up well and leave a very sharp looking assembly. If you do not trust the life span of latex caulk, you can use a thin strip of glaziers butyl tape laid into the bottom of the groove. Butyl tape has been used since the late 30's and appears to last at least that long. Lately I have often been using caulking cord because it is much easier to handle and less messy than gooey caulk or putty. Latex caulking cord is essentially a loose fabric (cotton) cord impregnated with an already cured latex rubber caulk. It is already essentially dry, yet is amazingly compressible. You just cut a piece the right length and press it into the groove. They guarantee it for 25 years, so I expect it will last at least that long. I get mine from Lee Valley Tools, but I am sure many places have it. Note: A grooved frame assembled around the glass panel is often the best choice from a visual design point of view. But you must realize you can not take it apart later (at least with the most common construction methods). If the glass ever needs to be repaired, the frame will probably need to be destroyed to access the glass and a new frame will need to be built. 2) If the frame is a "stopped" frame where the panel is laid into a "rabbet" (half a groove), and then a stop of more wood or another material holds the panel in, as in a standard picture frame: I was taught to press the glaziers points into the side of the groove with the flat surface against the edge of the glass or came. I now add a bead of caulk or putty between the glass and the bottom of the groove so the window will not shift if a glaziers point comes loose. The points now just hold the glass until the caulk or putty stiffens. I have also started using caulking cord for this too. A note for future panel construction. The one you describe is already surrounded by zinc came (probably a U came). I almost always do the outside of my panels in lead H came if they are going in a frame. The outside edges of the H can be trimmed to correct for any problems with frame size. This is especially true of windows in a building where I did not do the window frame myself. Builders rarely if ever build a window frame truly square and it is never quite the size I was told it was going to be. It sure saves a lot of time and effort if I can just cut a bit of the outside walls of the H came rather than reframing the window or redoing the panel. ** Another note for the came vs. foil discussion (if any of you have actually read this far): As you may have gathered I do most of my panels with foil. However, the edge of the panel usually then has an H came run around it for the reasons I describe above. The came also helps hold the edges of the panel rigid until it is framed. I leave the came unbeaded so the width is very consistent inside the frame groove or stop holding it. -----Original Message----- From: James C. Kelly To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Wood frames >>>I generally use standard glaziers points to hold the panel >>>slightly off the bottom of the frame groove. >First, I want to thank you for such a detailed >answer to my question on wood framing. >Second for raising my appreciation >of the negative aspects of a tight fit. >Third, for the suggestion of using >glazier points. But a little help >there please. Do you just place them >in the bottom of the groove, >do you seat them in the base of the >groove??? Vertically??? At an angle?? >Thanks again and hoping you have >the opportunity to respond. >Jim >Jim Kelly >Virginia Beach VA >gcanvas@compuserve.com >Wednesday, March 03, 1999 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 20:01:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:05:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:34:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.23457.0> Precedence: bulk It applies to the two different types of degrees. If they had both been BS's or both BA's, I would have been allowed to get both at once. But since one was a BS and the other a BA, I was not. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Spitzer To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celebrated? ... > >does this pertain to getting 2 degrees, or 2 different type of degrees? > >i got a BS in math, and a BS in computer science, but i did both at once >and didn't do an extra year after the first degree. > >regards, >charlie >-- >Charles Spitzer >Stratus Computer, Inc >Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 20:12:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:13:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: cleaning and finishing foiled panels Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:10:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar4.111037.0> Precedence: bulk The acid brushes do in fact seem to do the trick. The metal is supposed to resist acid, so I would not have though so. However, it must still be reactive enough because they work in my experience. -----Original Message----- From: Dean Johnson To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:51 PM Subject: RE: cleaning and finishing foiled panels >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tim & Adriana Atwood [mailto:atwoods@aisl.bc.ca] >> It seems to work better if there is some iron present during >> application. I > >What a great idea! I usually apply my black with a small scrap of toweling >and some gloves. (I hate the spray caused by applying with a toothbrush.) >Would one of the standard flux brushes (tubular metal handle, short black >bristles) sold as "acid brushes" at hardware stores do the trick? > >Elizabeth Johnson >dmj@cyberportal.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 21:42:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:59:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Daniel M. German" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Visiting Elisabeth Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:57:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.165751.0> Precedence: bulk Daniel, If you had left the door ajar, perhaps the canine's taste for Irish stew would have been satisfied. Also thanks for giving me the directions to her house (now I can totally avoid that area....LOL) Hmmmm I wonder if I took the Concorde does it stop in London or go right to France.... (Patrick is planning his getaway). Really, sounds like you had a wonderful time. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel M. German To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:59 PM Subject: Visiting Elisabeth > > > >Although I tried to keep a low profile on my visit to our favorite >Scandinavian glass artist, it has become common knowledge :) > >And some of you wonder about it. > > >I visited London in a way to a conference in Germany. London is where >my best friend lives and I had not seen her for more than a year. This >a perfect opportunity. Since I was going to be close by and I keep a >consider Elisabeth a friend, I decided to get in touch to see if I >could visit her. > >She was very happy to receive me. After some investigation I learned >that the place where she lives is 30 minutes from London. I decided to >stop by in way back from Germany (last Friday) and visit for one day. > >As we well know, we all have mental images of our correspondents >--unless we have seen photos of them, many for example have seen my >photo. So I had mine of Elisabeth and wonder for the train journey how >different she would be. > >She is not the first person that I have meet electronically and later >in person. So I have some experience. I have to say it is rather >amusing and enjoyable experience. > >I got to Luton. I called her. A friend of her answer the phone and >explained me --after confirming I was the visitor-- that Elisabeth was >walking Toby and she would pick me. I explained what I looked like and >she was there in 15 minutes. We had an interesting chat during the >trip. Jenny is a good friend of Elisabeth and restores furniture (and >in England you can really find old stuff, not like in Canada and the >US :) > >She took me to E's place. My first sight after I step in was a box >full of glass. Yes, it was the right place. E was waiting for me and >gave me a huge hug. I will not go into the details on how much she was >alike the image I made of her :) neither I'd say anything about her so >the surprise will be bigger when she comes to the US later this >year. I have to say, I have some photographs of E and Toby though :) > > >I stayed overnight in her place. We had a wonderful evening. Jenny >stayed over also --she had a show to attend on Saturday close by. I >was able to see get a tour of E's toolbox. A very interesting >combination of do-it-yourself tools. I also took a tour around her >home studio --she claims it is only used for small pieces, as the big >ones are made in a different place. She showed me her books, which >were very interesting. And she also gave me some quick lessons on >stained-glass. (You have to remember i am total rookie). > >I also got to see her newly built garden swing. She made it totally >herself! > >She is very excited about her visit to the US later this year. I am >sure that she will be a very interesting instructor. The way they do >SG there is not too different from here --came based-- but they don't >have the money to buy the tools. She gave as a souvenir a British mail >order catalog. It was interesting to see that the prices were almost >twice --compare to those in the US-- for everything, from glass to >tools. No wonder they don't have all the toys we buy around here. > >She showed me her itinerary. I believe she will travel around 20Mm >(for those who are not familiar with the international system, this is 25 >million meters, or 25,000 km). She is going from London to California, >then to the East Coast, to Denver, to Seattle back to Florida and then >to London. Sounds crazy. Albert, I think, sent her a map of the US >where she keeps marks of the important Bungi places. > > >Interestingly, her home only has 2 small panels. One made by >herself. I gave her a little sun-catcher I had designed and >build. Hopefully it will be added to the small collection :) > >Her portfolio is very impressive. I was even shown one of the panels >from the road. It reminded me the painting by Monet "Lady with the >Umbrella" (I think I have the title all wrong :) > > >Dinner was wonderful. Stuffed peppers, which reminded me of the >Mexican version of the same dish. > >At the end of the day, when I went to bed, she recommended I closed >carefully the door, unless I wanted to have Toby all over me licking >my face. > >Regarding Toby. I don't know much about dogs. I thought it was one of >those 20 cm dogs. I was mistaken. It is HUGE! > > >The next day we had breakfast. She took me to the train station on her >way to her class --she is getting a course in order to be certified as >a teacher. > >The visit was a wonderful one indeed. > > > > >-- >Daniel M. German >http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html >dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 21:59:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:03:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "the Barker family" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Pressed flowers in glass pieces Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:02:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.17219.0> Precedence: bulk Helllllllllllllllo Dawn Marie, Let me introduce myself. My name is Patrick and I am the official/unofficial biographer of the newsgroup. Each Saturday I post two biographies of group members. Nothing elaborate (well some of us do get a bit carried away). We would really like to get to know you more. How about sending me a private email with a short bio of yourself for posting. I have the archives for 92 members if you would like to receive them let me know. -----Original Message----- From: the Barker family To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:12 PM Subject: Pressed flowers in glass pieces >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Hi all! Is this ever a neat discussion group! Kudos to all of you who = >know so much and are so willing to share. =20 > >Re: The thread about shining the bead on suncatchers; I use turtle wax = >(I don't like to wax my car anyway so I sneaked it out of my husband's = >shop!) and it has worked very well so far... no oxidation or = >discoloration. > >Got a new question... I found a site which has pressed flowers between = >bevels and glass, in windows and suncatchers. They claim to have = >developed a technique using transparent floral dyes and some sort of UV = >inhibitor to retain the color of the flowers they use. Anyone ever = >heard of this? I love the look of the pressed flowers, and being a bit = >of an herbalist, have lots of variety in plants available, but *sigh* = >none that don't fade out in the sunlight. > >Thanks everyone! It's wonderful getting to "know" you all! > >: ) > >Dawn Marie > >------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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> >------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE65C1.CF42AF20-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 22:15:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:09:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Glenna Rand" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Belly dancer Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:09:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.17951.0> Precedence: bulk Yeah...... Now were talk'n. Where is the site.......Inquiring minds want to know... Actually, I just want to check out the competition..... Now lets see what did I do with the other six veils (if you have to ask... You are way too young) -----Original Message----- From: Glenna Rand To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:12 PM Subject: Belly dancer >Hi everyone, > >I know I spotted a belly dancer panel somewhere on the net. >Does anyone recall URL? >Thanks a bunch! > > >-- >Glenna Rand >gjr@bungi.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 22:24:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:19:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Toby" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Visiting Elisabeth - too cold for bare feet Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:18:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar3.171825.0> Precedence: bulk Hey .... I heard that. You must think I am still in North Carolina and can post just about anything. Actually, Daniel he wasn't loving you .... he was just tasting you but you weren't as salty as his mistress. "E" we'll give you exactly 24 hours to get better. >Luckily, Toby was quite understanding, polite and gentle about it. >It would probably have been totally different if Irish Mutton had >been on the Menu...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 23:05:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:16:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Belly Dancer Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:14:52 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi there, Just wanted you all to know I didn't give up looking for a belly dancer, and I ended up finding one!! Check out : http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 4 23:28:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:44:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Where do we all live? Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 22:43:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990304224326.009b2c70@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk Reading Daniel's and Elisabeth's reports on their meeting reminded me that I have no idea where most Bungians call home. If there is enough interest, I'd be willing to be curator of a coarse address list for the group. I could maintain the list on the Web and/or periodically send e-mail updates to those who would like to arrange get-togethers during travel, discover new local glass brothers and sisters, or conduct serious sociological research on the distribution of glass people around the world. I think Net prudence dictates that the list not contain street addresses or phone numbers. If you want to be on the list, just send me a message identifying your town or region. Include your real-life name or not, depending on your comfort level and the amount of back taxes you owe. Unlike Patrick O'Tutu, I promise not to pounce on lurkers who emerge from the shadows ;-) If the Bungi prime movers decided in the early days that such a list shouldn't be compiled, please forgive my innocence and consider the offer retracted. Otherwise, if anyone has an opinion about how the list should or should not be distributed, I'd like to hear it. Steve of Los Gatos, CA, USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 06:20:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 06:01:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: steve@villagesoftsmith.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Where do we all live? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:53:42 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar5.135342.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve, Terrific idea!! I would love a list as a reference. It can be very confusing sometimes trying to remember what part of the country/continent/world certain bungians reside. Very prudent idea to give the general location as opposed to address and telephone number. May I make a suggestion? How about we send you private e-mails with the info. As we just recently went thru identifying our locations to Elisabeth during the initial planning stages of the E-tour, it may (or not) get a bit redundant. What do you guys thing? Just a suggestion. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 08:55:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:17:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Yegnim@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Where do we all live? Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:04:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.3414.0> References: <<1999Mar5.135342.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Fine by me too. Carol T Yegnim@aol.com wrote: > Hi Steve, > Terrific idea!! I would love a list as a reference. It can be very confusing > sometimes trying to remember what part of the country/continent/world certain > bungians reside. Very prudent idea to give the general location as opposed to > address and telephone number. > May I make a suggestion? How about we send you private e-mails with the info. > As we just recently went thru identifying our locations to Elisabeth during > the initial planning stages of the E-tour, it may (or not) get a bit > redundant. What do you guys thing? Just a suggestion. > Lenore > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 09:55:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:25:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Where-do-we-all-live? update Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:51:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990305085126.009177d0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<17693ed9.36dfe1e6@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk At 08:53 AM 3/5/99 EST, Lenore wrote: >Hi Steve, >Terrific idea!! I would love a list as a reference. It can be very confusing >sometimes trying to remember what part of the country/continent/world certain >bungians reside. Very prudent idea to give the general location as opposed to >address and telephone number. >May I make a suggestion? How about we send you private e-mails with the info. > I quickly received about a dozen positive responses and no complaints yet so I'm encouraged to move ahead with this idea. A private message is most appropriate. > >As we just recently went thru identifying our locations to Elisabeth during >the initial planning stages of the E-tour, it may (or not) get a bit >redundant. What do you guys thing? Just a suggestion. >Lenore > I know that I could cull a lot of location information from sigs and incidental comments in recent mail and the archives, but I've decided not to do this, primarily to respect peoples' privacy. So..ground rule #1 is you won't be entered in the location list without your knowledge. Ground rule #2 is you can be deleted from the list at any time on request. I would like opinions on the following distribution alternatives: 1. Well-linked Web page. This offers the least privacy, which I know is of concern to a bunch of you if for no other reason than spam reduction. 2. "Private" Web page. Links to it wouldn't be intentionally created but bungians would know the URL. Security is better but easily breached. 3. Periodic updates to bungi. I would attach the current list to a bungi message, say once a month, for everyone to pick up. This violates the "no attachment" rule preferred by some. At least initially, the list shouldn't be so large that it clogs mail pipes. 4. Private e-mail updates. I would add everyone who offers his or her location to a mailing list and periodically send updates only to those people. This avoids bungi messages with attachments. I prefer #4, at least for now. Implicit in it is a "you must give to receive" policy that has some mild advantages for privacy and encouraging entries. Kind of like Patrick offering to send old bios to those submitting new ones. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 11:26:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:05:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cool site Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:05:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.9536.0> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk This was just sent to me. Check it out. http://www.erols.com/masont/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 12:59:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:26:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Where-do-we-all-live? update Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:14:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.81412.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990305085126.009177d0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk I agree that #4 is the best way to go for now. Can't wait to get a list. K See Steve Wernecke wrote: > At 08:53 AM 3/5/99 EST, Lenore wrote: > >Hi Steve, > >Terrific idea!! I would love a list as a reference. It can be very > confusing > >sometimes trying to remember what part of the country/continent/world certain > >bungians reside. Very prudent idea to give the general location as > opposed to > >address and telephone number. > >May I make a suggestion? How about we send you private e-mails with the > info. > > > > I quickly received about a dozen positive responses and no complaints yet > so I'm encouraged to move ahead with this idea. A private message is most > appropriate. > > > > >As we just recently went thru identifying our locations to Elisabeth during > >the initial planning stages of the E-tour, it may (or not) get a bit > >redundant. What do you guys thing? Just a suggestion. > >Lenore > > > > I know that I could cull a lot of location information from sigs and > incidental comments in recent mail and the archives, but I've decided not > to do this, primarily to respect peoples' privacy. > > So..ground rule #1 is you won't be entered in the location list without > your knowledge. Ground rule #2 is you can be deleted from the list at any > time on request. > > I would like opinions on the following distribution alternatives: > > 1. Well-linked Web page. This offers the least privacy, which I know is of > concern to a bunch of you if for no other reason than spam reduction. > > 2. "Private" Web page. Links to it wouldn't be intentionally created but > bungians would know the URL. Security is better but easily breached. > > 3. Periodic updates to bungi. I would attach the current list to a bungi > message, say once a month, for everyone to pick up. This violates > the "no attachment" rule preferred by some. At least initially, the > list shouldn't be so large that it clogs mail pipes. > > 4. Private e-mail updates. I would add everyone who offers his or her > location to a mailing list and periodically send updates only to those > people. This avoids bungi messages with attachments. > > I prefer #4, at least for now. Implicit in it is a "you must give to > receive" policy that has some mild advantages for privacy and encouraging > entries. Kind of like Patrick offering to send old bios to those > submitting new ones. > > Steve > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 13:36:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:30:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Where do we all live? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:29:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.92910.0> Precedence: bulk There are lots of folks on bungi who are also members of the Internationa= l Guild of Glass Artists and are listed by name and address in the IGGA members guide. It's a great consolation to me knowing that if I was ever without Internet capability, I could still write a letter or make a phone= call to someone I count as a friend from bungi-land. The tenuous nature = of email communication was driven home to me when we lost Dinosaur Bob recently. Which reminds, has anyone heard how Vic LaGreca's surgery went= ? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios 603 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80905 www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 15:02:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:30:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Where do we all live? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:29:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.92910.0> Precedence: bulk There are lots of folks on bungi who are also members of the Internationa= l Guild of Glass Artists and are listed by name and address in the IGGA members guide. It's a great consolation to me knowing that if I was ever without Internet capability, I could still write a letter or make a phone= call to someone I count as a friend from bungi-land. The tenuous nature = of email communication was driven home to me when we lost Dinosaur Bob recently. Which reminds, has anyone heard how Vic LaGreca's surgery went= ? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios 603 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80905 www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 15:09:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:30:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Belly Dancer Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:29:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.92912.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Glenna Rand >http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ < This is a good site to check out regularly - I took some time recently to= check it out and actually wandered around the glass workshop postings. = There are certainly alot of places to learn glass. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 15:20:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:30:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why aren't artists celbrated? Groan... Tangent #15!!! Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.92857.0> Precedence: bulk What I drool for is a Tiffany Studios book that shows the works of all th= e studio's designers and painters.... most of whom did not have the last na= me of Tiffany. And some of the ladies were very good artists with hundreds = of designs to their credit.... or lack of credit since most folks don't know= their names. I would like more information about them, not just about LCTiffany. Best regards, Dani Greer = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 15:21:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:31:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Stained Glass Suppliers in Europe Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.92920.0> Precedence: bulk How about Glashutte Lamberts who I hear through the rumour mill are building another factory. You could get further info from SA Bendheim offices in California and New Jersey. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 15:26:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:28:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:31:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.83142.0> Precedence: bulk Hi...hoping some of you more worldly bungians can help me. I sold some suncatchers to a woman in England. Kettering to be exact. She sent me 2 fifty dollar bills. She over paid me by $22. (She had said before that if she was over to buy my kids a treat. So I imagine it was partially done on purpose) Well, $22 is too much over. I need to return her money. The bank cant help me. This is rediculous. Should I just send her $22 in US cash? Would it be better to have it converted to pounds first? Also...if it would be better to convert to pounds before mailing it, any suggestions who does this. The woman at the bank said "A foreign currency place" I was thinking..."And they really *pay* you to give your customers information? Mean while I have looked in the yellow pages under currency, bank, foreign exchange...and have found nothing. I wonder if I will have to go to the airport? Thanks Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 15:33:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:43:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Belly dancer Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.10415.0> References: <<1999Mar3.17951.0>> Precedence: bulk You only use one veil with the tutu? How avante garde of you. I suppose too many would snag on the gnomen. Dorothy Pkelly wrote: > Yeah...... Now were talk'n. Where is the site.......Inquiring minds want to > know... Actually, I just want to check out the competition..... Now lets see > what did I do with the other six veils (if you have to ask... You are way > too young) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 15:41:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:00:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: glassgirl.com!"jenny" From: "Jennifer S. Geldard" <"jenny"@glassgirl.com> To: Glass List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7FCB680B0D1B13074A4B8670" Subject: Let me introduce myself Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:56:09 -0500 Message-ID: <199903052257.QAA10395@cts.ctsserver.com> Organization: glassgirl's Studio Precedence: bulk --------------7FCB680B0D1B13074A4B8670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone... My name is Jenny....I'm a stained glass artist from Massachusetts. I'm new to bungi, but not to glasswork.. I used to have a bead store in Concord Ma, but sold it when my son was born. Now I'm trying to make a go of it as an artist, and have a new web site... it's still under construction, so bear with me....it's www.glassgirl.com Anyway... that's about it...see you all around! --------------7FCB680B0D1B13074A4B8670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone...
My name is Jenny....I'm a stained glass artist from Massachusetts. I'm
new to bungi, but not to glasswork.. I used to have a bead store in Concord Ma, but sold it when my son was born. Now I'm trying to make a go of it as an artist, and have a new web site... it's still under construction, so bear with me....it's www.glassgirl.com
Anyway... that's about it...see you all around! --------------7FCB680B0D1B13074A4B8670-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 15:58:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:27:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iname.com!goldenlad From: goldenlad@iname.com (Steve) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: help with mould for Tiffany lamp Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:27:14 GMT Message-ID: <1999Mar5.232714.0> Precedence: bulk I'm attempting to make my 1st Tiffany style lamp and have had no luck in finding a mould anywhere here, I'm in London UK. the only ones I have seen mail order are only sections of a hemisphere. I'd need to have a complete half hemisphere. Have been looking around for other things I could use, i'e' childs football, fruit bowls etc. anything that will be able to stick small pins in to hold the glass until I solder. How about florists oasis, will that work or will it melt with the solder going on. Anyone have any ideas as to what I could use, I'm sure there's an obvious answer staring me in the face and I just cant see it. TIA Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 17:53:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wood frames Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:33:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.9331.0> Precedence: bulk Minor correction to my previous post. Sometimes I don't remember things quite right when I'm sitting on my computer and away from the shop where what I am talking about is. Must be the dreaded CRS disease (Can't Remember Stuff). The caulking cord I have been using lately is a synthetic fibre yarn (not cotton as I had said) and is impregnated with a polymer wax (not latex). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 18:23:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:43:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Belly dancer Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:43:10 -0500 Message-ID: <199903060139.UAA02874@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk And we all know how painful a snagged gnomen could be! Suzanne 3/5/99 3:41 PM Family Account shad@mail2.nai.net >You only use one veil with the tutu? How avante garde of you. >I suppose too many would snag on the gnomen. > >Dorothy > >Pkelly wrote: > >> Yeah...... Now were talk'n. Where is the site.......Inquiring minds want to >> know... Actually, I just want to check out the competition..... Now lets see >> what did I do with the other six veils (if you have to ask... You are way >> too young) >> > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 18:37:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Steve" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: help with mould for Tiffany lamp Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:43:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.94342.0> Precedence: bulk >>I'm attempting to make my 1st Tiffany style lamp and have had no luck in finding a mould anywhere here, I'm in London UK. the only ones I have seen mail order are only sections of a hemisphere. << If nothing else you can buy two or three sections. That is a very common thing to do with Warden section forms. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 18:56:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:51:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:38:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199903060150.BAA07303@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Suzanne!! Don't break yer heart!! Give me off-group the lady's exact address (Kettering is not very far from me!!) and I will return the money on your behalf. YOU can owe me a meal...;-> ....or a little treat.... OK? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hi...hoping some of you more worldly bungians can help me. > > I sold some suncatchers to a woman in England. Kettering to be exact. > She sent me 2 fifty dollar bills. She over paid me by $22. (She had > said before that if she was over to buy my kids a treat. So I imagine it > was partially done on purpose) > > Well, $22 is too much over. I need to return her money. The bank cant > help me. This is rediculous. > > Should I just send her $22 in US cash? Would it be better to have it > converted to pounds first? Also...if it would be better to convert to > pounds before mailing it, any suggestions who does this. The woman at > the bank said "A foreign currency place" I was thinking..."And they > really *pay* you to give your customers information? > > Mean while I have looked in the yellow pages under currency, bank, > foreign exchange...and have found nothing. I wonder if I will have to > go to the airport? > > Thanks > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > "Winning isn't always finishing first. > Sometimes winning is just finishing." > Manuel Diotte > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 19:10:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:55:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Belly dancer Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:43:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199903060155.BAA07340@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dorothy and Pierre ride again!!! Oh dear, I say!!! (Blush!!) If the veil snags on the gnomen, what does that suggest about the gnomen......? Inquiring minds want to know ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dorothy wrote: > You only use one veil with the tutu? How avante garde of you. > I suppose too many would snag on the gnomen. > > Pkelly wrote: > > > Yeah...... Now were talk'n. Where is the site.......Inquiring minds want to > > know... Actually, I just want to check out the competition..... Now lets see > > what did I do with the other six veils (if you have to ask... You are way > > too young) > > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 19:46:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:46:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: goldenlad@iname.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: help with mould for Tiffany lamp Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:42:57 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar6.24257.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve, Didn't Barefoot Daniel make a lamp out of a large styrofoam ball some time ago? If I recall correctly, he cut it in half. Daniel, you out there? Have any advice for Steve? So glad to hear that you had an enjoyable time during your visit with Elisabeth and her giant canine. Lenore PS Can't remember if you are a newbie or not, Steve. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 20:16:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:19:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Where do we all live? Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:24:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.152414.0> References: <<1999Mar5.92910.0>> Precedence: bulk > Which reminds, has anyone heard how Vic LaGreca's surgery went= > ? I heard from Vic. He sounds great. Said he is not totally out of the woods *yet*, but working on it. He's got a good attitude! T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 20:29:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:25:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iname.com!goldenlad From: goldenlad@iname.com (Steve) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 03:25:48 GMT Message-ID: <1999Mar6.32548.0> References: <<1999Mar5.83142.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Thought I'd let you know the value of $22 over here in England. It equates to about =A310 ( 10 UKP ) which at present day prices is equivalent to 3 packs of fags (packs of 20). So, in fairness it may not be as much as you thought. By the time you've paid commission to have it changed it wont be worth a great deal. Why not send her a little handmade gift as a thankyou, she may come back and buy from you again. Steve On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:31:42 -0600, you wrote: >Hi...hoping some of you more worldly bungians can help me. > >I sold some suncatchers to a woman in England. Kettering to be exact. >She sent me 2 fifty dollar bills. She over paid me by $22. (She had >said before that if she was over to buy my kids a treat. So I imagine it >was partially done on purpose) > >Well, $22 is too much over. I need to return her money. The bank cant >help me. This is rediculous. > >Should I just send her $22 in US cash? Would it be better to have it >converted to pounds first? Also...if it would be better to convert to >pounds before mailing it, any suggestions who does this. The woman at >the bank said "A foreign currency place" I was thinking..."And they >really *pay* you to give your customers information? > >Mean while I have looked in the yellow pages under currency, bank, >foreign exchange...and have found nothing. I wonder if I will have to >go to the airport? > >Thanks > >Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 20:51:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:40:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vincent LaGreca" To: "Dani Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Where do we all live? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:40:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.17401.0> Precedence: bulk My surgery went well, actually much better than I expected. Forgive me if I don't elaborate on it but I am the luckiest individual walking around on the face of the earth. Also, as they say, I am "in the book" at the IGGA site. Ciao Vic -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:20 PM Subject: Where do we all live? >There are lots of folks on bungi who are also members of the Internationa= >l >Guild of Glass Artists and are listed by name and address in the IGGA >members guide. It's a great consolation to me knowing that if I was ever >without Internet capability, I could still write a letter or make a phone= > >call to someone I count as a friend from bungi-land. The tenuous nature = >of >email communication was driven home to me when we lost Dinosaur Bob >recently. Which reminds, has anyone heard how Vic LaGreca's surgery went= >? > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >603 W. Colorado Ave. >Colorado Springs, CO 80905 >www.igga.org/greer/ = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 21:02:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:45:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: maruca@netaxs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:48:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.154846.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I just recieved this nice note from Bev. I dont think I undervalue my work. I charged her $2.00 per peice of glass. I think that was reasonable for both of us. I have mixed feelings about keeping the money, but dont want to hurt her feelings. > Suzanne I don't want any money back, any excess money is for your > children...... just get them a little something......There must be a >simpler way to send money to the USA, no problems as long as you have >recieved your money.. Once again thankyou very much.. LOL > Bev > T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 21:21:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:30:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netusa1.net!t6686 From: L Nelson To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.3326.0> References: <<199903060150.BAA07303@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Hi, I have to say this is the nicest thing I have heard of in a long time I think it's really cool you are willing to help and I all so think it's great Suzanne is worried about the extra money seems like in today's times people would just keep the extra and not think twice I just wanted to let you two know I think you must be wonderful people!!!! Laura Toby wrote: > Hey Suzanne!! > Don't break yer heart!! > Give me off-group the lady's exact address (Kettering is not very far > from me!!) and I will return the money on your behalf. > YOU can owe me a meal...;-> ....or a little treat.... > OK? > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > Hi...hoping some of you more worldly bungians can help me. > > > > I sold some suncatchers to a woman in England. Kettering to be exact. > > She sent me 2 fifty dollar bills. She over paid me by $22. (She had > > said before that if she was over to buy my kids a treat. So I imagine it > > was partially done on purpose) > > > > Well, $22 is too much over. I need to return her money. The bank cant > > help me. This is rediculous. > > > > Should I just send her $22 in US cash? Would it be better to have it > > converted to pounds first? Also...if it would be better to convert to > > pounds before mailing it, any suggestions who does this. The woman at > > the bank said "A foreign currency place" I was thinking..."And they > > really *pay* you to give your customers information? > > > > Mean while I have looked in the yellow pages under currency, bank, > > foreign exchange...and have found nothing. I wonder if I will have to > > go to the airport? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tulsa Suzanne > > -- > > "Winning isn't always finishing first. > > Sometimes winning is just finishing." > > Manuel Diotte > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 5 21:51:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:01:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Wood frames Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:29:09 -0800 Message-ID: <199903060329.TAA25628@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Minor correction to my previous post. Sometimes I don't remember things >quite right when I'm sitting on my computer and away from the shop where >what I am talking about is. Must be the dreaded CRS disease (Can't Remember >Stuff). That would be partzheimer's, right? ...Alzheimers...part of the time :) Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 01:53:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Steve" , Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:26:48 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.82648.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Ummmm! Just in case anybody is mystified a fag is a cigarette over here :o) I don't know if it is over there as well? Best regards BtB - >Hi >Thought I'd let you know the value of $22 over here in England. It >equates to about =A310 ( 10 UKP ) which at present day prices is >equivalent to 3 packs of fags (packs of 20). So, in fairness it may >not be as much as you thought. By the time you've paid commission to >have it changed it wont be worth a great deal. Why not send her a >little handmade gift as a thankyou, she may come back and buy from you >again. >Steve > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 04:55:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 04:01:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: bshep@dircon.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 06:55:44 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar6.115544.0> Precedence: bulk Brian, NO,NO,NO!!! A fag is certainly not the word used to refer to a cigarette in this country. Having relatives living in Ireland, I am familiar with the expression and believe that many people in the U.S. (though not all) may know the British Isles meaning. FYI (U.S. slang) Fag is a derogatory term for a person with an alternate sexual lifestyle, namely: gay, homosexual. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 06:59:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 06:16:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp13.math.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: help with mould for Tiffany lamp Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:14:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199903061414.JAA03635@ppp13.math.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Lenore> From: Yegnim@aol.com Lenore> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:42:57 EST Lenore> Subject: Lenore> Lenore> Hi Steve, Lenore> Didn't Barefoot Daniel make a lamp out of a large styrofoam ball some time Lenore> ago? If I recall correctly, he cut it in half. Daniel, you out there? Have Lenore> any advice for Steve? So glad to hear that you had an enjoyable time during Lenore> your visit with Elisabeth and her giant canine. Lenore> Lenore Yes, I did. I got a ball for a dollar. I cut it in half and then proceeded to cover it in masking tape. 3 or 4 layers, I think. The ball did not suffer from the heat and it is ready to be used again. The main problem is that the patterns will most likely not match the size of your ball, so you have to do some juggling with it. But the satisfaction is worth it, in my opinion. In my case I took a page from a catalog with patterns for semi-spherical lamps. I enlarge the pattern to the exact size of my lamp and that's what I used. Lenore> PS Can't remember if you are a newbie or not, Steve. Lenore> - ---- Lenore> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Lenore> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Lenore> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Lenore> -- Daniel M. German "When asked whether or not we are Marxists, our position is the same as that of a physicist or a biologist who is asked if he is a `Newtonian', or if Che Guevara -> he is a `Pasteurian'" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 07:59:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:01:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usa.net!debbiesgarden From: Debbie T To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cabinet inserts Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.522.0> Precedence: bulk I have an opportunity to build beveled (and stained glass) inserts for a company that builds custom fine furniture and cabinets. I plan on using soft brass came, (which usually is double the price of lead came), and lead came, as well as the bevels. For those of you out there who do this type of work, what is the general rule of thumb for pricing. Keep in mind, this will be a wholesale type arrangement, but I would like to earn something to make it worthwhile. Also, can you suggest suppliers of standard and/or custom bevels also? Thank you in advance, Debbie T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 08:34:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:50:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Where-do-we-all-live? update Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:49:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar6.154925.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/5/99 4:00:42 PM, atf@socent.org wrote: >I agree that #4 is the best way to go for now. Sounds good to me! Sign me up. Sparks (western suburbs of Philadelphia, PA) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 09:03:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:59:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Belly dancer Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:51:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar6.15516.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach Elisabeth: >If the veil snags on the gnomen, what does that suggest about the >gnomen......? >Inquiring minds want to know ;-> I for one am not going to do the experiment to find out. The possibilities are painful even to *think* about! Sparks, card-carrying creature of comfort ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 09:13:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:59:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:50:58 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar6.155058.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/5/99 6:26:40 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Mean while I have looked in the yellow pages under currency, bank, >foreign exchange...and have found nothing. I wonder if I will have to >go to the airport? A lot of banks don't exchange foreign currency. Is there an American Express travel services office anywhere near you? I think they might do it. You may also be able to get information from a regular travel agent on where to exchange your money. OTOH, if Elisabeth is willing to play courier....... Is the E-tour going anywhere near you? You can remiburse her then. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 09:31:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:00:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Where do we all live? Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:53:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar6.155325.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/5/99 11:51:51 PM, vlg@worldnet.att.net wrote: >My surgery went well, actually much better than I expected. Forgive me if I >don't elaborate on it but I am the luckiest individual walking around on the >face of the earth. Welcome back, Vic! --------Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 09:43:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:46:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #93 Alan Terry Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:46:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.44623.0> Precedence: bulk So: Bio Born: Philadelphia, Pa. Live: Los Angeles, Ca. Male Irish-German - Catholic upbringing. 1 twin brother, 1 older brother, 1 older sister. B.A. - Spanish/Russian Literature (emphasis dramatic literature). Fluent in Spanish and Russian. M.A. Theater Arts - Directing. Career: Film industry for over 20 years - including acting, directing, and producing. (Yes, humbly I respond, me and my work has been seen and appreciated). Stained Glass: Learned as teenager and gave it up - too hard... too much work... (I bled a LOT), Picked it up again last Christmas (98) - love it (although still too hard... a lot of work... and I'm SO CRITICAL of my cuts and designs). However, this time I'm committed to becoming a major player in the stained glass world. I love this art form and intend to master it. (Lord, HELP!). Hobbies: Jazz Guitar, Rollerblading, Giving great parties, Yoga, Film Studies, Transformational Studies, and Art. (Patrick, I hope this satisfies the needs of the hungry, evil "them" that forces you to acquire bios.!) Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 09:58:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:48:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: att.net!r.wickline From: "Rebecca Wickline" To: Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <19990306164711.DYXF7008@[12.79.246.23]> Precedence: bulk Been off line for a while. Computer problems. Please change my email address to r.wickline@worldnet.att.net. Hope to hear from you all soon.-Becky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 10:02:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:15:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: help with mould for Tiffany lamp Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:03:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199903061715.RAA18297@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Hello Steve in London, UK Where did you spring from?? There are now about 12 - 13 of us in UK on Bungi. Welcome aboard!! Beware of Patrick, The one-legged Irishman dreswsed in a stained glass tu-tu and seven veils.... he also has a rather malformed gnomen and there are traces of leather straps attached to his attire, the remnants not dissimilar from certain "restraining aids" . He might chase you for a biography...... As regards to your lamp-mould problem, I'm not a lamp maker BUT... the following is a solution one of my students has come up with Talk about ingenuity!! Buy some hanging flower basket "base" (It has a name, but it's slipped my mind). It's mase of some kind of thickish "felt"-type stuff. They come in all different sizes from your local garden centre and are cheap and cheerful. You can also adjust the size as you want it. Fill the inside with either scrunched up newspaper, or liquid foam polystyrene. Make sure you get the spherical shape you want. Cover the outside with papier mache. Check on shape again. Let it dry..... and Hey Presto! You have your mold! I'm told that the liquid foam polystyrene (the builder's stuff, used to fill in cracks etc) shouldn't be used on the outside as it makes it difficult to get the nails/pins in or out, once it's hardened. Also don't forget that the foam polystyrene DOUBLES in volume when you squirt it out.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in cold 'n wet Hertfordshire, UK Steve in London UK wrote: > I'm attempting to make my 1st Tiffany style lamp and have had no luck > in finding a mould anywhere here, I'm in London UK. the only ones I > have seen mail order are only sections of a hemisphere. I'd need to > have a complete half hemisphere. Have been looking around for other > things I could use, i'e' childs football, fruit bowls etc. anything > that will be able to stick small pins in to hold the glass until I > solder. > How about florists oasis, will that work or will it melt with the > solder going on. Anyone have any ideas as to what I could use, I'm > sure there's an obvious answer staring me in the face and I just cant > see it. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 10:16:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:50:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bio #94 Maureen Kuntzman Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:50:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.4506.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Patrick, I promised you I would send in my bio, so here it is. I prefer to read them in my Lime green robe with a chilled Guinness in my hand.... When I was little I would spend the summer at my grandmother's house. Her house was an old twin Victorian house, three floors, with wonderful hiding places throughout the house. Her front doors, two that opened inward, had stained glass windows in them. The vestibule had doors that then opened into the main hallway. The vestibule had a nice tile floor that felt so cool in the summer, and I would sit in there for hours watching the sun change through those windows. She had a big jardiniere which held umbrellas in the corner. It was one of my most treasured moments. About eight years ago, my friend asked me if I would like to take a glass in stained glass at the local art center. She told me the I could use a relaxing hobby. Of course it brought back a flood of memories, and I quickly joined. I had a terrific teacher, Barbara Smith. She spent time with each person and stressed good technique and construction, and was always available for questions or suggestions. I learned how to make panels, boxes, and my favorite, working with lead. Meanwhile back at the "casa del mosfunland" I got divorced and was raising (SWAT team controlling) three teenage sons....I kept working with glass down in my basement, which was actually becoming relaxing! I took a few more courses before life interfered with my plans. My parents were older and becoming more needy, so I began spending time helping them out. My dayjob (neonatal intensive care nurse) became hectic, with shift changes, overtime and stress that added to the other daily chaos, just took me further and further from glasstime. I would finally find the time to work on projects and panels for friends and coworkers, but then my dad's health really took a turn for the worse, and I spent all my time, at the hospital (working) or at the hospital (visiting), or taking my mom to and from the hospital to visit. It was a stressful time, and after a year plus, he died. My dad died, and I packed up all my glass and tons of acquired stuff, and moved into my mothers house a month later, to take care of her. My sons were out on their own, with the youngest having run away and then settled in with his father....so I again set out to work on my glass and actually got my shop set up in the garage. It was hard working among my fathers tools. He was such a mister fixit. So now I am watching sadly as my moms life winds down, nursing her and keeping her comfortable. My glass is gathering dust, my bucket of putty is probably rock hard, my tools probably squeak. My sons gather to help out. I was just in the garage today, rearranging stuff and looking for something I need to send to Carol Swann, I remembered those wonderful stained glass doors, the cool tile floors, and my parents who let me spend the summer in that house. So my glass can get dusty for a while longer, it will wash up nicely, and the tools with be well used again soon enough. Sometimes life isn't about us, it is about someone else needing you more. The folks on this list have given me much inspiration and happy moments. I look forward to the posts from so many folks, I have met some terrific people at Warner-Crivellaros "outings." Thanks for putting the list out here for folks like myself, who have just one more thing to do before I cut that piece of glass.... Maureen Kuntzmann Phila., PA PS Maureen sent me the following update recently. "Hi Patrick, I sent you my bio, you might add, my mom died last evening, in my arms, which was exactly the best thing we ever could ask for." Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 10:16:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:15:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Save it all....NG Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:03:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199903061715.RAA18288@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk But naturally, Linda!! But Toby just wants to play!! The leaner, the better.... much tastier... Nicht wahr, Dani?? (who claims she's given up meat for Lent!) Elisabeth in UK(who has just had ANOTHER wonderful grilled bacon Brunch!! Teehee! Linda wrote > Lean pigs...from being chased around the garden by Toby. > > Linda, whose neighbor just gave her 25 lbs of home made whole hog sausage. Mmmmmm! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 10:31:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:16:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Visiting Elisabeth - too cold for bare feet Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:03:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199903061715.RAA18279@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk GGggrrrrrr! My fur is beginning to snag on something! What's a gnomen?? I'll think I might be hungry..... Braybark Toby Tobias in UK > Hey .... I heard that. You must think I am still in North Carolina and can > post just about anything. > > Actually, Daniel he wasn't loving you .... he was just tasting you but you > weren't as salty as his mistress. > > "E" we'll give you exactly 24 hours to get better. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 10:36:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:16:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Where do we all live? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:03:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199903061715.RAA18285@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Steve (et al), I think it's a GREAT idea!! It was tremendeous fun for me last autumn when folks responded to my own plea for adding a little indicator in their e-mails about their locations, so I could plot them on the USA atlas sent to me as a gift (No Daniel, it was NOT Albert... it was a certain strange person in Texas who may or may not be "physically and/or mentally challenged" ;-> ) Being able to plot my Bungi-friends in such a vast country like USA, has also made me more personally aware of weather conditions, natural tragedies, because I have been able to put a name and (occasionally) a face to the event. (I won't mention Arkansas....;->....Oooops!) All this now particularly relevant, since I will be meeting up with an awe-inspiring number of you during my forthcoming visit to USA Daniel's observation about my excitement is....shall we say..... an understatement Likewise, I have also received many enquiries from folks in USA asking where exactly in UK I am based..... and is it near XYZ American military base where they have been serving years ago.... As a matter of fact, I live about 45 minutes away from Cambridge. Need I say more.... and so on Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Reading Daniel's and Elisabeth's reports on their meeting reminded me that > I have no idea where most Bungians call home. If there is enough interest, > I'd be willing to be curator of a coarse address list for the group. I > could maintain the list on the Web and/or periodically send e-mail updates > to those who would like to arrange get-togethers during travel, discover > new local glass brothers and sisters, or conduct serious sociological > research on the distribution of glass people around the world. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 10:45:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:56:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Scoring too deep? Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 16:53:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.165334.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all. One of our students asked a question today that has got Sam stumped! Why doesnt the glass break properly if you gouge too deeply when you score the glass? The student feels that by digging in deeper it should make the score break more easily - not make it difficult, and came up with a plausible argument for his idea. But experience tells us this is not so. Has anyone a scientific answer that would make sense to a non-scientist - other than because I say so!! Would the answer apply to all glass - float, antique (mouthblown) and machine made - the same? EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 11:06:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:06:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Photo - Dark Glass Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:03:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.2325.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BE67B8.9326F5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a panel where much of the glass is very dark. It is an old = Merry-Go-Round glass - midnight blue with highlights of midnight red. = No opalescence, just very dark. A very beautiful glass when you see it = in person. The rest of the panel is clear GNA. Panel is double panes = such that clear and dark sections of one pane play against clear and = dark of the other pane. Problem is the panel seems to be impossible to get a good picture of. I = am using an old Olympus OM1 SLR 35mm, so all the settings are manual. I = have tried just about every combination of setting I can think of. I = have had the developer do a sets of prints both with and without the = usual Kodak colour match adjustments. Tried different lighting, etc. No matter what I do, the dark glass comes out black. All shadow detail = between the panes of glass is lost. Any suggestions? ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BE67B8.9326F5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a panel where much of the = glass is very=20 dark.  It is an old Merry-Go-Round glass - midnight blue with = highlights of=20 midnight red.  No opalescence, just very dark.  A very = beautiful glass=20 when you see it in person.  The rest of the panel is clear = GNA.  Panel=20 is double panes such that clear and dark sections of one pane play = against clear=20 and dark of the other pane.
 
Problem is the panel seems to be = impossible to=20 get a good picture of.  I am using an old Olympus OM1 SLR 35mm, so = all the=20 settings are manual.  I have tried just about every combination of = setting=20 I can think of.  I have had the developer do a sets of prints both = with and=20 without the usual Kodak colour match adjustments.  Tried different=20 lighting, etc.
 
No matter what I do, the dark glass = comes out=20 black.  All shadow detail between the panes of glass is = lost.
 
Any = suggestions?
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BE67B8.9326F5C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 11:35:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:32:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Subject: Non Glass - currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:30:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.183015.0> References: <<1999Mar6.155058.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Having moved from the States many years ago, I am constantly surprised when I visit how insular, and inefficient the USA banks are (I was going to say banking system - but the point is that there isn't really a system) And it is the banking regulations that keep it so bad. I can go to almost any bank in the UK and get foreign currency within two days. Many of the larger branches have foreign currency on hand. And that included USA dollars not just holiday currencies. The charges that all banks all over the world make for changing money is usury, even if not illegal. The rates charged make back street money lenders and pawn shops envious, because laws do not allow them to charge so much interest. Finished with my rant now. In message <1999Mar6.155058.0@?>, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes > >In a message dated 3/5/99 6:26:40 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >>Mean while I have looked in the yellow pages under currency, bank, >>foreign exchange...and have found nothing. I wonder if I will have to >>go to the airport? > >A lot of banks don't exchange foreign currency. Is there an American Express >travel services office anywhere near you? I think they might do it. You may >also be able to get information from a regular travel agent on where to >exchange your money. > >OTOH, if Elisabeth is willing to play courier....... Is the E-tour going >anywhere near you? You can remiburse her then. > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 11:50:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:51:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Grammar......shmammer... Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:51:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.185141.0> Precedence: bulk -- Just wondering about grammar... If one has a fungus...and many fungi then would one have a bungi and many bungus..?? ......or would there be many bungus among us?? >>sometimes trying to remember what part of the country/continent/world >>certain bungians reside. Don't mind me....it's late and my minds on autopilot... Daniel in Oregon... ====================================================== ---Cogito ergo spud........I think therefore I yam.--- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 12:02:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:54:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio Alan Terry Part II Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:21:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.52126.0> Precedence: bulk I didn't see my "bio" posted. So I'm resending it. You might not have gotten it. Or... am I not good enough? Are you only interested in bright creative people with a chance of succeeding at the art of glass? Well, believe me, I have enough doubts in that area! Working on a glass for my twin brother I had my first REAL cut tonight. I even had (dramatic) visions of the bleeding not stoping and my passing out from blood loss. It was pretty silly really. I was cutting a very textured patterned wavy piece of red glass (3d wavy kind - you know you can feel the groves) and the razor sharp edges it created just sliced across the back of my thumb. Oh, well, to continue now with dreams of being a craftsman/artist seems impossible! NAH! Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 12:20:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:56:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "suzy@comcat.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Belly dancer Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:14:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar5.5145.0> Precedence: bulk If you only knew how painful it was people would send me their bios quicker (8-) -----Original Message----- From: suzy@comcat.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 8:31 PM Subject: Re: Belly dancer >And we all know how painful a snagged gnomen could be! >Suzanne > >3/5/99 3:41 PM Family Account shad@mail2.nai.net > >>You only use one veil with the tutu? How avante garde of you. >>I suppose too many would snag on the gnomen. >> >>Dorothy >> >>Pkelly wrote: >> >>> Yeah...... Now were talk'n. Where is the site.......Inquiring minds want to >>> know... Actually, I just want to check out the competition..... Now lets see >>> what did I do with the other six veils (if you have to ask... You are way >>> too young) >>> >> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 13:07:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:08:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:56:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199903062008.UAA21296@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Sparks, I wonder where you had been hiding recently..... The "E-Tour" will be catching up on Suzanne de Tulsa. Meanwhile - as Brian the Brit (?) pointed out, the difference between the price asked and the price paid amounts to 3 lots of "fags", which over Here Across the Pond, means cigarettes and Over There = 3 Male Queens. Take yer pick! However, meanwhile Back at the Ranch, Suzanne de Tulsa has received several "elegant" suggestions, none of them involving couriers OR Queens OR American Express (Phew!!) Problem solved - methinks ;-> Hey!! Am I going to get the chance to meet up with you and your wonderful "new" telephone system (I have a story myself to tell about that, concerning telephone poles in UK and new "funny" European regulations, which also involved my telephonic connections being somewhat mauled about..... Ah well...! As the people in Yorkshire say; "There's is naught funnier than folk".... Elisabeth (blissfully Swedish) 'n Toby (blissfully Canine from Cornwall) in UK Sparks wrote: > In a message dated 3/5/99 6:26:40 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: > A lot of banks don't exchange foreign currency. Is there an American Express > travel services office anywhere near you? I think they might do it. You may > also be able to get information from a regular travel agent on where to > exchange your money. > > OTOH, if Elisabeth is willing to play courier....... Is the E-tour going > anywhere near you? You can remiburse her then. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 13:20:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:09:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Where do we all live? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:56:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199903062008.UAA21293@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Vic, I'll join in BEFORE the bandwagon!! Welcome BACK! How's you feeling?? Missed ya! E 'n T in UK Sparks started it: > In a message dated 3/5/99 11:51:51 PM, vlg@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > >My surgery went well, actually much better than I expected. Forgive me if I > >don't elaborate on it but I am the luckiest individual walking around on the > >face of the earth. > > Welcome back, Vic! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 13:38:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:31:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Bio Alan Terry Part II Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:30:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.43031.0> Precedence: bulk Alan terry wrote, in part: >>. It was pretty silly really. I was cutting a very textured patterned wavy piece of red glass (3d wavy kind - you know you can feel the groves) and the razor sharp edges it created just sliced across the back of my thumb. Oh, well, to continue now with dreams of being a craftsman/artist seems impossible!<< Heck man, you are off to a fine start. Just a few more deep cuts and several puncture wounds and you will be a full fledged craftsman/artist. A while back a client was in to inspect the progress on her window. Noticing some blood she said joyfully, "Oh, there is even blood on my window." I had no answer for her. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 14:10:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:20:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Toby" , Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Save it all....NG Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.11182.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >Elisabeth in UK(who has just had ANOTHER wonderful grilled bacon = Brunch!!< You beast! Careful, gal, or we'll have you on a tofu diet while you're visiting Colorado! Best, Dani (who just had Pacific salmon and asparagus for lunch, no complaints.= ) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 14:39:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:39:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Maureen Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:44:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.94441.0> Precedence: bulk I am so sorry for your loss of your mother. Please take care of your self now. Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 15:42:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:42:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: duke.edu!adams004 From: adams004@duke.edu (Brenda Adams ) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: kiln work Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:36:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199903062236.RAA10058@kuttner.acpub.duke.edu> Precedence: bulk Does anyone on the list know where I might be able to obtain an item called "ceramic fiberboard". It is listed in a book I just purchased and can be used to make molds for slumping in the kiln. I have called a number of ceramic dealers in my area and they have no idea what this is. A friend of my does clay work and she has never heard of it. Thanks. Brenda Adams ARTESIA 2400 Moorefields Road Hillsborough, NC 27278-9650 (919)732-2826 e-mail (at residence): adams004@acpub.duke.edu e-mail (at work): adams@abacus.mc.duke.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 16:13:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:17:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bob E Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fw: Bio Alan Terry Part II Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:16:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.131631.0> Precedence: bulk I keep telling you, Bob, it's really good luck to bleed on a window! Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 16:47:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:47:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:53:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.115344.0> Precedence: bulk Lenore, You must be younger than some of us. In the 50's when most the gays weren't out of the closet yet, a fag was a slang term for a cigarette. You usually heard it used by members of a gang then called hoods short for hoodlem. Like in the days of the movie "Grease". Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Yegnim@aol.com To: bshep@dircon.co.uk ; glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 6:57 AM Subject: Re: currency problems...US $ and pounds >Brian, >NO,NO,NO!!! A fag is certainly not the word used to refer to a cigarette in >this country. Having relatives living in Ireland, I am familiar with the >expression and believe that many people in the U.S. (though not all) may know >the British Isles meaning. FYI (U.S. slang) Fag is a derogatory term for a >person with an alternate sexual lifestyle, namely: gay, homosexual. >Lenore >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 17:14:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sympathy Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:07:09 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Maureen, My deepest sympathy on the loss of your mother. I also want to thank you for your bio....it really helped me put things in perspective. My mother-in-law is in very poor health and had to come live with us two days ago. I had been feeling sorry for myself as I wouldn't have the freedom to go to stained glass classes. You really hit a chord with me. Thank you. Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 17:30:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:27:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: ceramic fibreboard Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:30:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.123058.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Brenda, I found a few links regarding ceramic fibreboard. I clipped a few responses for you. I know nothing about hte subject myself... but maybe this will help. Good luck! Blake :-) ---------------- We are using fiber board as mold material since 2 years. It works great. We will distribute it through the glass art wholesalers from now on. Please call ART Glass House 1-800-525-8009 for more details after the 1-13-99. ---------------- Kiln board should be available on order at any stained glass retailer. Or look in the yellow pages under "refractory". You need to prefire it to burn off the binders in the board.I put the board in the kiln and fire rapidly to around l400 degrees. Then cool rapidly. The fumes are more annoying than "terrible". The problem with the board is that it softens with firing. I've used a product called Alumina that is sprayed onto the board to help it hold it's shape.I don't really know where to get Alumina, since I have had it for years. Ceramic drop out molds are also available through stained glass retailers. Much easier than trying to make your own. ---------------- >used to make molds for slumping in the kiln. I have called a number of >ceramic dealers in my area and they have no idea what this is. A friend of >my does clay work and she has never heard of it. > >Thanks. >Brenda Adams >ARTESIA >2400 Moorefields Road >Hillsborough, NC 27278-9650 >(919)732-2826 >e-mail (at residence): adams004@acpub.duke.edu >e-mail (at work): adams@abacus.mc.duke.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 17:41:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:29:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Brenda Adams " Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: kiln work Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:27:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.82754.0> Precedence: bulk >>Does anyone on the list know where I might be able to obtain an item called "ceramic fiberboard".<< Pacific Glass in Gardinia, CA, has it SOMETIMES. It comes in sheets that are 2' X 4' X 1/2" that most likely started out as fireproof ceiling tiles. It can be cut with a matt knife and soaked with mold hardner, fired and kiln washed for a durable mold. Does not form up very much but great for gentle curves (no compound curves at all) and kiln shelves. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 17:45:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:51:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Steve Wernecke" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Where do we all live? Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:28:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.72810.0> Precedence: bulk Here is mine: Tim Atwood Holtenwood Studios Texada Island, British Columbia, Canada atwoods@aisl.bc.ca 604-486-7231 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 18:04:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:53:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Propane Soldering Iron? Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:49:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.84944.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BE67F1.566FCF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anybody know if any company makes a propane stained glass soldering = iron? I have modified a Bernz-O-Matic Micro-Torch hot knife tip to = accept stained glass soldering tips. But it does not have quite enough = heat - sort of like an 80 watt iron when I need a 100 watt one.=20 (I live off the power grid. My studio is in town with power, but I would = sometimes like to work at home). ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BE67F1.566FCF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anybody know if any company makes a = propane=20 stained glass soldering iron?  I have modified a Bernz-O-Matic = Micro-Torch=20 hot knife tip to accept stained glass soldering tips.  But it does = not have=20 quite enough heat - sort of like an 80 watt iron when I need a 100 watt = one.=20
 
(I live off the power grid. My = studio is in town=20 with power, but I would sometimes like to work at=20 home).
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BE67F1.566FCF60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 18:22:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:13:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:06:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.9632.0> Precedence: bulk (Re-sending message. Sorry about the MIME format in the first go - I know some of you can't read it. Somehow the *#$&^ computer changed my #!@!!** settings. I don't want my bio to have all those annoying "=" thingies etc. So this one should be clearer) I don't think I have ever done a bio for this august group - so down the hatch - here it comes. Tim Atwood - Holtenwood Studios - Holtenwood Gallery. I was born in 1957 in Los Angeles, California. The first bit was rough - all those bright lights and way too many people around. It got better later in the day when some of the people left - I don't like crowds. Grew up in the San Francisco area of California. Two brothers (I'm the middle one). Mother: political science degree AKA home maker. Father: electrical engineer. For some strange reason no one has ever figured out, my mother has a strong Midwest accent despite having grown up in Los Angeles of German parents. So if you hear a bit of a Midwest nasal twang in my typing - I got it from my mom. My dad as the ultimate 50's and 60's engineer taught me that anything can be figured out and you can always engineer a way to do everything. I still have those tendencies thinking I can always find a way to do something or make a new tool to do it better. Over the years though, I have learned some things just are not worth the bother of engineering a solution for. And I was lucky enough to get a feeling and spiritual approach from my mom so (most of the time) I don't try to engineer the people around me. I always felt a bit left out in my family because I wanted to do artistic stuff and I never felt this was approved of. It was only after leaving home that I learned my mom had been a painter when she was younger and my dad's family had several casual artists. And now they both say they always approved of my tendencies. Weird how things change as you grow older... B.S. Degree in Computer Science from California State U. at Chico. Had a double major with art (sculpture), but never got the art degree. Mainly worked in wood, metal, and hot glass then. Only took one class in cold working glass. Somehow cold working glass did not stick at that time - I guess blowing hot glass was a lot more exciting to me in my early twenties. First computer job in Lake Stevens, Washington. One bad marriage of three years back then. Met second wife, Adriana van Holten, a Canadian, 10 years - no no or was it 12 - or or - dang Adriana would kill me if she new I couldn't remember... Moved first to Vancouver British Columbia then to Texada Island about five years ago. Still get most of the annoying money stuff from computer work though I keep trying to make a full time living with the art work. Adriana (mostly) and myself also run the Holtenwood Gallery - local arts and crafts. I love the gallery but I'm glad Adriana does most of the customer contact - I'm really fairly introverted and too many people all day long exhausts me. Most of my studio space over the last 10 years has been inadequately equipped for hot glass or metal casting, so I turned to cold glass work. Found I loved it and it combines great with the wood working. I have recently been setting up a kiln for fusing. We have a great group of artists on Texada - just about every media including two great fused glass artists. And our next door neighbor (summer only) is a glass blower when wintering in Vancouver. Unfortunately we don't have natural gas on the island so I don't think I could ever profitably set up a full glass blowing studio. Our house is on 17 acres at Kirk Lake. Off the grid - we generate all our own power - solar panels, back up generator, battery banks - all that stuff. My current studio is in a leaky 80 year old work shack out behind the gallery where we have power. You may find me posing intriguing questions about setting up a studio without power from time to time though. I am an active member of the Joan of Arc Preservation Society. Sorry - that is a sort of self analyzing "in" joke. If you are familiar with the Jungian psychological types or the Myers-Briggs type indicators, I am straddled between an INFP (Introversion, iNtuition, Feeling, Perceiving) and an INTP (same but Thinking instead of Feeling). The Jungian archetypal figure for an INFP is Joan of Arc (or sometimes Sir Galahad). In other words a real nut case who sees visions and will go out and get themselves killed over a principle. A word of warning: both INFP's and INTP's tend to be real arrogant bastards and I am no exception. Don't worry though, I do not carry grudges and I am so much into self analysis that I actually love it when people tell me how I'm acting. So if anything I say in these wonderful discussions strikes you as absolute B.S. or you think I have my head stuck somewhere unhealthy - feel free to speak up and let me know. I'll probably actually thank you for it. Either way I'll defend to the death your right to say it. You may have also noticed - I'm a bit wordy at times. So I had better end this now before our much vaunted Chronicler of Bio's cuts me short with a mighty strike of the delete key. I don't think he would actually do that, but you never know as I go on and on and on and............. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 18:49:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:14:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Photo - Dark Glass Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:06:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.9627.0> Precedence: bulk (Re-sending message. Sorry about the MIME format in the first go - I know some of you can't read it. Somehow the *#$&^ computer changed my #!@!!** settings. If anything else important from me was garbled let me know). I have a panel where much of the glass is very dark. It is an old Merry-Go-Round glass - midnight blue with highlights of midnight red. No opalescence, just very dark. A very beautiful glass when you see it in person. The rest of the panel is clear GNA. Panel is double panes such that clear and dark sections of one pane play against clear and dark of the other pane. Problem is the panel seems to be impossible to get a good picture of. I am using an old Olympus OM1 SLR 35mm, so all the settings are manual. I have tried just about every combination of setting I can think of. I have had the developer do a sets of prints both with and without the usual Kodak colour match adjustments. Tried different lighting, etc. No matter what I do, the dark glass comes out black. All shadow detail between the panes of glass is lost. Any suggestions? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 18:54:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:14:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: discover.earthlink.net!leslye2 From: Leslye Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------56E86349C385D282CBF26A26" Subject: Re: help with mould for Tiffany lamp Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:12:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.151239.0> References: <<1999Mar5.94342.0>> Precedence: bulk --------------56E86349C385D282CBF26A26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was taught to make lamps using the one section method. This is how I was taught: Place the pattern strips on the mold with flat headed pins and cover with contact paper (clear) or clear packing tape. Shape the pieces and use tacky wax to adhere the pieces to the form. After the section pcs are fitted satisfactory, foil and solder together. Carefully remove from mold and solder inside. It may help to heat in a LOW oven. Clean well and repeat as many times as required.(usually 6 times) With the lamp I made there were 2 different patterns I had to use and I alternated them when I put them together. When all sections are soldered it is time to put them together. This is where 6 hands come in handy! I have had some success with electric tape. Another set of hands is really the best thing. Tack solder as needed and final solder when all sections are lined up properly. Don't forget the inside! Most of the lamp patterns I have seen can be ordered for a full mold and you can buy a full dome mold. I think Odyssey Lamps come in only full mold and Worden has the option. I have seen a design your own Worden before. Hope this helps and was clear. Leslye2 Bob E Duchesneau wrote: > >>I'm attempting to make my 1st Tiffany style lamp and have had no > luck > in finding a mould anywhere here, I'm in London UK. the only ones I > have seen mail order are only sections of a hemisphere. << > > If nothing else you can buy two or three sections. That is a very > common thing to do with Warden section forms. Bob > > Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Think glass: have class. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------56E86349C385D282CBF26A26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was taught to make  lamps using the one section method.   This is how I was taught:
Place the pattern strips on the mold with flat headed pins and cover with contact paper (clear) or clear packing tape. Shape the  pieces and use tacky wax to adhere the pieces to the form.  After the section pcs are fitted satisfactory, foil and solder together.  Carefully remove from mold and solder inside.  It may help to heat in a LOW oven.  Clean well and repeat as many times as required.(usually 6 times)  With the lamp I made there were 2 different patterns I had  to use and I alternated them when I  put them together.  When all sections are soldered it is time to put them together.  This is where 6 hands come in handy!  I have had some success with electric tape.  Another set of hands is really the best thing.  Tack solder as needed and final solder when all sections are lined up properly.  Don't forget  the inside!

Most of the lamp patterns I have seen can be ordered for a full mold and you can buy a full dome mold.  I think Odyssey Lamps  come in only full mold and Worden has the option.  I have seen a design your own Worden before.

Hope this helps and  was clear.
Leslye2

Bob E Duchesneau wrote:

>>I'm attempting to make my 1st Tiffany style lamp and have had no
luck
in finding a mould anywhere here, I'm in London UK. the only ones I
have seen mail order are only sections of a hemisphere. <<

If nothing else you can buy two or three sections. That is a very
common thing to do with Warden section forms. Bob

Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026
Think glass: have class.

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  --------------56E86349C385D282CBF26A26-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 19:01:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:14:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio Alan Terry Part II Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:11:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.9117.0> Precedence: bulk I don't think a project is ever finished till it has some blood on it. -----Original Message----- From: Bob E Duchesneau To: Bungi Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:43 PM Subject: Fw: Bio Alan Terry Part II > >Heck man, you are off to a fine start. Just a few more deep cuts and >several puncture wounds and you will be a full fledged >craftsman/artist. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 19:11:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:36:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Maureen Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:34:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199903070130.UAA10867@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Maureen, My condolences. You done good! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 19:23:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:41:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "glass bungi com" Subject: Sympathy Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.153841.0> Precedence: bulk Maureen, I am so very sorry about your Mother's death. My heart goes out to you. Hugs and Prayers, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 21:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:31:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Help Wanted Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:32:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.113237.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk If anyone is in the vicinity of Cape Coral, Florida please e-mail off group. There is a job opening at a studio there and it requires you be experienced in stained glass of course :) Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 21:56:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:57:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!cctrice From: "Charlie Trice" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Maureen Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:04:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.1846.0> Precedence: bulk Maureen, I was deeply touched by the "PS" to your bio. My thoughts and prayers are with you and yours. Charlie in Miami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 22:06:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:05:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: someone giving up glass..... Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:09:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.17952.0> Precedence: bulk I found this on an ebay listing..he/she has some kokomo mauve glass up for auction... (two 21"x16" sheets) The minimum bid is currently $16..they also had this to add...if anyone is interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74508649 > I'm SELLING ALL of my >stained glass supplies so if you are interested in volume buying, >please inquire by e-mail > dlester@tbcnet.com This is what I am always hoping to find at a garage sale. -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 22:20:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:09:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Photo - Dark Glass Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.19735.0> References: <<1999Mar6.2325.0>> Precedence: bulk Tim wrote: > No matter what I do, the dark glass comes out black. All shadow detail = > between the panes of glass is lost. Tim: Peter McGrain talked about this in his seminar on how to photograph glass. He solved his similar problems with the painstaking use of spot lighting. Rather than a single light source behind the panel, he placed several clip-on spots behind the darkest areas and shaded the lightest areas to reduce the contrast. Where the glass was transparent and lighting caused hot spots, he would use a white sheet as a buffer between the lights and the glass. I don't know anything about camera exposures, but my husband tells me that high-contrast situations tend to be exaggerated on film - all the lights go white and anything dark goes black. Seems like any technique that would soften the contrast might give your camera a better chance to "read" the color in the dark areas. Elizabeth Johnson dmj@cyberportal.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 22:20:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:53:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Scoring too deep? Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:51:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.185113.0> References: <<1999Mar6.165334.0>> Precedence: bulk EliZabeth wrote: > The student feels that by digging in deeper it should make the > score break more easily - not make it difficult, and came up with a > plausible argument for his idea. > But experience tells us this is not so. > Has anyone a scientific answer that would make sense to a non-scientist - > other than because I say so!! > Would the answer apply to all glass - float, antique (mouthblown) and > machine made - the same? EliZabeth: You undoubtedly have more experience than I do, so forgive me if this is restating what (to you) is already obvious. I'm not a scientist either and can't talk in terms of crystal structure. The following is what I was told and has been supported by practical observation: It has to do with the tiny fracture marks that run down into the thickness of the glass along the score line. You can see these when you look at a cut piece from the edge. The little marks are curved like cat's claws, and run from the front (scored) surface down toward the back surface. These fractures are the "path of least resistance" that we count on to control the direction of the break when snapping pressure is applied to the glass. If the score pressure is too light and the fractures too shallow, they don't provide a path whose resistance is significantly less than any other area of the glass. So breaking the glass is almost as tough (an unpredictable) as breaking an unscored sheet. Sometimes the break follows the score line, but often it does not. If the cutting pressure is too heavy the score fractures run all the way through the thickness of the glass from the front side to the back. In each place where this happens, it creates an easy spot for a break to veer off at a tangent from the score line. (We all know how cracks like to "run" from any weak spot in glass.) This too-heavy score line is then a strung-together bunch of weak spots, each a tangential break waiting to happen. Since there are many "paths of least resistance", unless the breaking pressure exactly matches the score's curve, the glass tends to break in the direction of greatest pressure instead of along the scored line. Ideally the score fractures should run about one-quarter to one-half of the way through the sheet. This way the fractures in the top half provide a path of significantly reduced resistance for the break to follow, while the solid bottom half provides that the score line itself is the ONLY path of least resistance. Practice has confirmed to me that this rule seems to work for all the kinds of glass I have tried so far, from soft "float" glass to hard, brittle opalescents. To judge how much pressure is "right" for a new sheet, I break off a corner for scrap and try a few test cuts, adding more and more (or less and less) pressure until my fracture marks run about a third of the way through. This tells me how hard I will need to bear down for that particular glass. When I am cutting "for keeps" I sometimes examine the edges of my breaks that go bad, as well as the ones that go surprisingly well. Sure enough, the bad breaks are usually ones with either very shallow or very deep fracture lines (usually too deep). And the ones that follow the score even when I don't expect it are usually about a third of the way through. Seems to confirm the thesis. Another EliZabeth (Johnson) this one in Bristol, New Hampshire, USA) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 22:30:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:47:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Tim & Adriana Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:28:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.13288.0> References: <<1999Mar6.9632.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk I have met very very few INFPs in my life, possibly only two that I can think of...never one who works in glass...my best friend back in MA, Rachel is one...she is a self taught computer genius and a Harvard Div. grad....I think my massage therapist is probably an INFP....and thats it....as far as I go..>I too straddle right down the middle between the F and T...I think I used to be more of a T becasue I was depressed and really was mad at the world.....as I have gotten healthier...I think I have become more of an F...which is how I would have rated myself before I got depressed so I guess that is my true type......I can see where a T would definately be more of an engineer...as for me...since I last submitted my bio...glutton for punishment that I am, I am most likely going back to school in a couple of years to be an addictions counselor....which is a real INFP sort of thing to do(as a probably future therapist to be I have more than a normal interest in all these little indexes and such...but they cant really describe a person completely becasue even within a type we are all as different as snowflakes)...I have all these creative little hobbies, glass, writing, music, and of them all...writing is the only one i have ever seriously thought about as a career becasue it sort of spoils the creative process for me to have to create on cue to get paid for it, ...I am not opposed to an odd commission here and there for a friend but I cant see ever being a glass professional...it would just take all the fun out of it for me. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 22:50:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:04:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Jennifer S. Geldard" <"jenny"@glassgirl.com>, "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:02:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.14259.0> Precedence: bulk Jennifer, Thanks for sharing your site www.glassgirl.com Very origional and interesting work. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer S. Geldard <"jenny"@glassgirl.com> To: Glass List Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 3:53 PM Subject: Let me introduce myself Hi everyone... My name is Jenny....I'm a stained glass artist from Massachusetts. I'm new to bungi, but not to glasswork.. I used to have a bead store in Concord Ma, but sold it when my son was born. Now I'm trying to make a go of it as an artist, and have a new web site... it's still under construction, so bear with me....it's www.glassgirl.com Anyway... that's about it...see you all around! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 22:59:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:50:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Brenda Adams " , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fiber board Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:48:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.134818.0> Precedence: bulk Pacific Glass in Gardena, Ca (800 35-GLASS) carries refractory fiber board in 1/4, 1/2, and 1" thicknesses and sells it by the square foot. Full sheets are 2' X 4' and 5' X 9'. The fiber mold hardner is also available as is alumina coat- a superior hardiner. I just found this in their catalog. I believe that previously it was not listed and only available as a courtesy from their hot work activity. Pacific Glass is a wholesaler and so it may be necessary to order through a local outlet. I notice that you are in GA and so you could save time and shipping money by finding a closer outlet. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Adams To: Bob E Duchesneau Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:02 PM Subject: Re: kiln work >Pacific Glass in Gardinia, CA, has it SOMETIMES. It comes in sheets >>that are 2' X 4' X 1/2" that most likely started out as fireproof >>ceiling tiles. It can be cut with a matt knife and soaked with mold >>hardner, fired and kiln washed for a durable mold. Does not form up >>very much but great for gentle curves (no compound curves at all) and >>kiln shelves. Bob > > >Bob, > >Thanks so much for this information. Since I am fairly new into fusing ... >second question and third question ... do you have telephone number for >Pacific Glass and do you know if they carry the mold hardener. If not do >you know where I might obtain. > >I really appreciate the help. Have called numerous places with no results. > >Thanks again. > > >Brenda Adams >ARTESIA >2400 Moorefields Road >Hillsborough, NC 27278-9650 > >(919)732-2826 >e-mail (at residence): adams004@acpub.duke.edu >e-mail (at work): adams@abacus.mc.duke.edu > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 23:50:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:02:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: studio@stainedglass.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Scoring too deep? Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:27:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.182720.0> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth, The problem with overscoring a line is that instead of getting a single clean fissure line created in the glass you get a multiple fissures sort of radiating our in a star pattern. The break can at any time depart from the main fissure and take off on a tangent line "escaping" using one of the extra little fissures. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Sat, 06 Mar 1999 16:53:34 +0000 "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" writes: >Hello all. >One of our students asked a question today that has got Sam stumped! > >Why doesnt the glass break properly if you gouge too deeply when you >score >the glass? The student feels that by digging in deeper it should make >the >score break more easily - not make it difficult, and came up with a >plausible argument for his idea. >But experience tells us this is not so. >Has anyone a scientific answer that would make sense to a >non-scientist - >other than because I say so!! >Would the answer apply to all glass - float, antique (mouthblown) and >machine made - the same? >EliZabeth in Bournemouth >http://www.stainedglass.co.uk Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 6 23:58:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:03:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Fw: Photo - Dark Glass Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:38:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar6.183859.0> Precedence: bulk Tim, Do you have any digital photo editing capabilities? If so that will make this easier, but either way this can be made to work for you. Set you camera up on a tripod and take a photo of the panel using the optimal settings for the main part of the panel. Next, without moving the camera or the panel install a black mask (previously prepared) over the entire panel allowing only the problem piece to remain exposed. Install a very strong light behind the dark piece. If you have a hand held meter you can get a reading up close to the piece to set your exposure. If you don't have a meter you will need to use the camera held close to the masked panel prior to setting up on the tripod and record the exposure settings for later use. Even so you should bracket your exposures, probably at 2 and 4 stops over and 2 and 4 stops under. When you get the pictures back you can scan them into your computer and cut and paste the nicely exposed piece into the picture of the panel. If you don't have the scanner and software to do this you'll have to cut the piece out of the picture using and x-acto knife. Use a black pen to darken the white edges of the paper before you paste it onto the larger picture. Now you can use a copy stand or makeshift one to photograph the doctored photo. hope this helps. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:06:27 -0800 "Tim & Adriana Atwood" writes: >(Re-sending message. Sorry about the MIME format in the first go - I >know >some of you can't read it. Somehow the *#$&^ computer changed my >#!@!!** >settings. If anything else important from me was garbled let me >know). > >I have a panel where much of the glass is very dark. It is an old >Merry-Go-Round glass - midnight blue with highlights of midnight red. >No >opalescence, just very dark. A very beautiful glass when you see it >in >person. The rest of the panel is clear GNA. Panel is double panes >such >that clear and dark sections of one pane play against clear and dark >of the >other pane. > >Problem is the panel seems to be impossible to get a good picture of. >I am >using an old Olympus OM1 SLR 35mm, so all the settings are manual. I >have >tried just about every combination of setting I can think of. I have >had >the developer do a sets of prints both with and without the usual >Kodak >colour match adjustments. Tried different lighting, etc. > >No matter what I do, the dark glass comes out black. All shadow >detail >between the panes of glass is lost. > >Any suggestions? > > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 02:53:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:05:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" , Subject: Re: Propane Soldering Iron? Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:56:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.95617.0> Precedence: bulk Hello I'll demonstrate my ignorance to anybody at the drop of a hat! Many of the major traditional glass studios studios in England use gas soldering irons.. I don't know if they would work on propane! If you want to enquire then stainedglass@kansacraft..co..uk could help I'm sure.. Are they not used by the 'traditionalist core' in the USA? Best regards BtB ->Anybody know if any company makes a propane stained glass soldering = >iron? I have modified a Bernz-O-Matic Micro-Torch hot knife tip to = >accept stained glass soldering tips.. But it does not have quite enough = >heat - sort of like an 80 watt iron when I need a 100 watt one..=20 > >(I live off the power grid.. My studio is in town with power, but I would = >sometimes like to work at home).. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 03:23:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:07:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Leslye Nelson" , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: help with mould for Tiffany lamp Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.94836.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BE687F.ABC37000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello =20 All that is great if you are using a pattern but Steve wants to be a = bit creative and make it up as he goes along. This would make it very = difficult to make in single segments! =20 Best regards =20 BtB =20 - =20 I was taught to make lamps using the one section method. This is = how I was taught:=20 Place the pattern strips on the mold with flat headed pins and cover = with contact paper (clear) or clear packing tape. Shape the pieces and = use tacky wax to adhere the pieces to the form. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BE687F.ABC37000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Place the pattern strips on the mold with = flat headed=20 pins and cover with contact paper (clear) or clear packing tape. = Shape=20 the  pieces and use tacky wax to adhere the pieces to the = form. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BE687F.ABC37000-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 04:54:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 04:10:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: "Melissa Hall" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: light boxes Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:06:44 -0400 Message-ID: <199903071215.HAA21417@gdi4.gdi.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom to pass along about light boxes? I am having one constructed for a project I'm working on and would like to think about any problems before I give the go ahead to the carpenter to make it. Thanks in advance for any help! Melissa Hall ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 07:20:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 06:06:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp2!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:05:11 -0500 Message-ID: <199903071405.JAA03863@ppp2> Precedence: bulk | From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" | Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:06:27 -0800 | Subject: Fw: Photo - Dark Glass | | Problem is the panel seems to be impossible to get a good picture of. I am | using an old Olympus OM1 SLR 35mm, so all the settings are manual. I have | tried just about every combination of setting I can think of. I have had | the developer do a sets of prints both with and without the usual Kodak | colour match adjustments. Tried different lighting, etc. | | No matter what I do, the dark glass comes out black. All shadow detail | between the panes of glass is lost. Can you explain us how you compute the exposure (i.e. aperture and exposure time). This might be your problem. -- Daniel M. German "Compared to the real life, even the best on-line "virtual spaces" The Economist -> are cartoons" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 09:00:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 08:27:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp2.reidgroup.com!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:REQUEST YOUR OPINION Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:24:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar7.62451.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Karlene> WELCOME BACK. Karlene here from wisc. bungi lurker. What is your opinion on a Karlene> good scanner. have to girls in high & middle school, stain glass hobbiest/want Karlene> to be more here. Karlene> Have a pretty good set up here Gateway 266 here with lots room left. got a Karlene> good printer HP desk jet 1000C. I await your opinion. TIA KARLENE Karlene asked me this some days ago. I thought more will be interested in my opinion. For the record (sort of disclaimer :) I am finishing my PhD in computer science. That does not make an expert in hardware and software --most people think that somebody in CS is automatically a computer technician. Most people don't ask me what I think about the complexity of the bin packing problem; instead, they ask me why their Internet connection does not work. Enough diatribe. Recentrly I decided to buy a scanner. The scanners are extremely cheap. I doubt they will be cheaper; on the contrary, they will probably become more expensive, as some of the companies are going out of business due to hard price competition. So I decided to get one. First, what I think it is the best scanner. Interface: SCSI is technically better for data transfter between a device and the computer than the parallel port. It allows the PC to do better multitasking while the scanner sends data to the PC. Resolution: Given the price, higher resolution is better. My restrictions. We have two laptops at home, and a desktop. ONe laptop runs 98 permanently, mine runs Linux and sometimes Win95 if necessary. My desktop runs Linux mainly but it can also run NT. Although I had prefer to get a SCSI it was unfeasible. It would have been able to run only on the desktop, leaving the laptops useless for scanning. I had to settle for Parallel interface. My choice was to get the Canon CoolScan FB 620P. Why? It is 600 dpi and it has the smallest footprint of its kind. and it is the prettiest. Yes, most reasons are totally personal :) MOst scanners perform reasonably well. And at US$100, they are far away from the prices we use to pay for them 5 years ago. In a way, I see them almost as disposable tools. I'll be happy if mine last 2 or 3 years. And very happy if I can get 5 years out of it. dmg -- Daniel M. German "A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in neither case he is justly accountable John Stuart Mill -> to them for the injury." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 10:09:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 08:58:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:55:10 -0500 Message-ID: <199903071650.LAA21537@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Jenny, You work is neat! So lighthearted. Your work is the antidote to Judith Schaechter. Suzanne > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennifer S. Geldard <"jenny"@glassgirl.com> > To: Glass List > Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 3:53 PM > Subject: Let me introduce myself > > > Hi everyone... > My name is Jenny....I'm a stained glass artist from Massachusetts. >I'm > new to bungi, but not to glasswork.. I used to have a bead store >in Concord Ma, but sold it when my son was born. Now I'm trying to >make a go of it as an artist, and have a new web site... it's still >under construction, so bear with me....it's www.glassgirl.com > Anyway... that's about it...see you all around! > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 10:41:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:12:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: light boxes Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:22:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990307122225.0074f9f8@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk I have a nice one that I've used for years. The surface is the large egg crate plastic cutting board (from morton?. The straight lines in the plastic make great cutting guides for straight cuts.I use both sides,smooth and pocketed...it is set in the top a wooden box frame (about 4or 5 inches deep). The inside has several (4) under counter type florescent light fixtures, enough for even light, and it has a handle on one side for easy storing, like a suitcase. The area under the egg crate and between the lights is supported with small wooden columns (1/2x1/2") glued into place. That was the area that had to be corrected initially, use enough supports to prevent sagging during cutting. Dee At 07:06 AM 6/4/98 -0400, Melissa Hall wrote: >Hi all, > Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom to pass along about light boxes? I >am having one constructed for a project I'm working on and would like to >think about any problems before I give the go ahead to the carpenter to >make it. > >Thanks in advance for any help! > >Melissa Hall >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 11:31:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:01:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: light boxes Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 10:00:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990307100011.0093e290@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<199903071215.HAA21417@gdi4.gdi.net>> Precedence: bulk At 07:06 AM 6/4/98 -0400, Melissa Hall wrote: >Hi all, > Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom to pass along about light boxes? I >am having one constructed for a project I'm working on and would like to >think about any problems before I give the go ahead to the carpenter to >make it. > >Thanks in advance for any help! > >Melissa Hall >---- > Unless you need a large one, the easiest/cheapest thing to do is to buy Morton System's Thrifty Light Box kit and mini-grid ($20.95 and $10.55, respectively, from Warner-Crivellaro ) and a GE Bright Stik (about $10 at Home Depot). This gives you a 14" x 22" light box that you can use for drawing (mini-grid pockets down) or English cutting (grid pockets up). Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 11:33:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:21:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Jennifer S website Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:23:53 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.122353.0> Precedence: bulk Loved your website. Interesting pieces, especially liked the magic wand and the mirror. Thanks for the tour. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 13:01:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:34:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Intrastar List" , "Bungi List" Subject: Silicone adhesives? Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.93336.0> Precedence: bulk I am wondering what type of adhesive to use to glue glass globs on a piece of glass. In the past I have used WeldBond glue with good results but this piece is for a garden stake and will be exposed to the outside elements. I thought I had read that someone uses clear silicone adhesive (exterior or marine type). Thanks for any suggestions you can give. Karen Think Spring! giapet@softhouse.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 14:06:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:09:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: light boxes Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:56:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.45659.0> Precedence: bulk One word: colour balanced lights: I use Phylips Ultra-Lume because they give off more apparent light than traditional colour balanced fluorescent tubes. I use two separately switched banks of tubes, one with 3500K lights to give the colour balance of incandescents, the other with 4500K balanced lights to simulate daylight. I turn on both sets when I need really bright light. -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:00 AM Subject: light boxes >Hi all, > Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom to pass along about light boxes? I >am having one constructed for a project I'm working on and would like to >think about any problems before I give the go ahead to the carpenter to >make it. > >Thanks in advance for any help! > >Melissa Hall >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 14:54:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:10:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:41:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.44127.0> Precedence: bulk Pure Pisces through and through. Or actually maybe not. I have never had a full chart done. Don't know where the moons, risings, houses, etc. are. -----Original Message----- From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood > >so, just how much Virgo do you have in that chart? > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 15:11:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:10:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re:REQUEST YOUR OPINION Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:18:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.41848.0> Precedence: bulk I'm adding my opinion: I have a UMAX Astra 1220S. 600dpi, SCSI. Worked great at first. Still works well, but colour balance seems to be loosing some in the blue range. My guess is the cold cathode lamp is losing colour balance after 18 months of use. This supports the idea mentioned below that scanners in the $100-$200 range should probably be viewed as disposable equipment. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel M. German To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: Re:REQUEST YOUR OPINION > > > > Karlene> WELCOME BACK. Karlene here from wisc. bungi lurker. What is your opinion on a > Karlene> good scanner. have to girls in high & middle school, stain glass hobbiest/want > Karlene> to be more here. > Karlene> Have a pretty good set up here Gateway 266 here with lots room left. got a > Karlene> good printer HP desk jet 1000C. I await your opinion. TIA KARLENE > >Karlene asked me this some days ago. I thought more will be interested >in my opinion. > >For the record (sort of disclaimer :) I am finishing my PhD in >computer science. That does not make an expert in hardware and >software --most people think that somebody in CS is automatically a >computer technician. Most people don't ask me what I think about the >complexity of the bin packing problem; instead, they ask me why their >Internet connection does not work. Enough diatribe. > >Recentrly I decided to buy a scanner. The scanners are extremely >cheap. I doubt they will be cheaper; on the contrary, they will >probably become more expensive, as some of the companies are going out >of business due to hard price competition. > >So I decided to get one. > >First, what I think it is the best scanner. > >Interface: SCSI is technically better for data transfter between a >device and the computer than the parallel port. It allows the PC to do >better multitasking while the scanner sends data to the PC. > >Resolution: Given the price, higher resolution is better. > > >My restrictions. We have two laptops at home, and a desktop. ONe >laptop runs 98 permanently, mine runs Linux and sometimes Win95 if >necessary. My desktop runs Linux mainly but it can also run NT. > >Although I had prefer to get a SCSI it was unfeasible. It would have >been able to run only on the desktop, leaving the laptops useless for >scanning. I had to settle for Parallel interface. > >My choice was to get the Canon CoolScan FB 620P. Why? It is 600 dpi and >it has the smallest footprint of its kind. and it is the >prettiest. Yes, most reasons are totally personal :) > > >MOst scanners perform reasonably well. And at US$100, they are far >away from the prices we use to pay for them 5 years ago. In a way, I >see them almost as disposable tools. I'll be happy if mine last 2 or 3 >years. And very happy if I can get 5 years out of it. > >dmg > > > > >-- >Daniel M. German "A person may cause evil to others > not only by his actions > but by his inaction, > and in neither case > he is justly accountable > John Stuart Mill -> to them for the injury." >http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html >dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 15:33:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Daniel M. German" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:11:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.41143.0> Precedence: bulk An OM1 does have a built in exposure meter. It just does not set the aperture or time itself. So I have tried specified settings, a stop plus/minus in half stop increments, different aperture/time combinations for greater depth-of field, wide angle lens to exaggerate distance, telephoto to compress distance, and different backlighting. Basic problem seems to be the contrast is too great and the darkness of the Merry-Go-Round glass too much for the dynamic range of the film and/or techniques I am using. The human eye seems to register the colours great but the camera can not. Part of the problem may be my lighting. I can not afford a full photographers lighting set up right now and we have no one on the Island with this sort of set up for me to rent or borrow. I tried back lighting with daylight and later with halogen work lamps in combination with a halogen adjusting colour filter (41A filter? I don't have it with me right now so I am unsure of the number). Are there films with a greater dynamic range than Kodak Royal Gold or Standard Gold? Other ways to increase the dynamic range of a film or photography set up? -----Original Message----- From: Daniel M. German To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:26 AM Subject: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca >Can you explain us how you compute the exposure (i.e. aperture >and exposure time). This might be your problem. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 15:33:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:11:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Pkelly" , "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:37:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.4378.0> Precedence: bulk Oops, re-send of bio was supposed to go to PKelly first, but I guess I was not paying attention. So all of you got it ahead of time. Oh well. Sorry about that. Our mad Irishman (if I remember previous posts correctly) can update the list archives and assign it a bio number, but probably does not need to send it still again... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 15:39:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:11:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: light boxes Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:05:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.5513.0> Precedence: bulk Also, I have a plain glass (unfrosted 1/4 plate) surface for maximum colour and light transference. When I want a frosted and/or soft surface, I simply lay a piece of white greenhouse plastic on top. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 15:45:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:13:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: My Member Web Site Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:11:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.51150.0> Precedence: bulk My IGGA member web site is up. Thanks to Albert for his work. Check me out under the Canada section of the IGGA member list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 15:58:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:23:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: "Nadine Beth Schneider" To: "Elizabeth Arakelian" , , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:23:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.92315.0> Precedence: bulk Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! Nadine ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: ; Tim & Adriana Atwood Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >I have met very very few INFPs in my life, possibly only two that I can >think of...never one who works in glass...my best friend back in MA, >Rachel is one...she is a self taught computer genius and a Harvard Div. >grad....I think my massage therapist is probably an INFP....and thats >it....as far as I go..>I too straddle right down the middle between the >F and T...I think I used to be more of a T becasue I was depressed and >really was mad at the world.....as I have gotten healthier...I think I >have become more of an F...which is how I would have rated myself before >I got depressed so I guess that is my true type......I can see where a T >would definately be more of an engineer...as for me...since I last >submitted my bio...glutton for punishment that I am, I am most likely >going back to school in a couple of years to be an addictions >counselor....which is a real INFP sort of thing to do(as a probably >future therapist to be I have more than a normal interest in all these >little indexes and such...but they cant really describe a person >completely becasue even within a type we are all as different as >snowflakes)...I have all these creative little hobbies, glass, writing, >music, and of them all...writing is the only one i have ever seriously >thought about as a career becasue it sort of spoils the creative process >for me to have to create on cue to get paid for it, ...I am not opposed >to an odd commission here and there for a friend but I cant see ever >being a glass professional...it would just take all the fun out of it >for me. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 17:11:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:51:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Scanners Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:49:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.12490.0> Precedence: bulk I recently purchased a CanoScan FB620P scanner for under $100. It was the floor model at the local Circuit City retailer. It came with scanning software & Adobe Printshop. Parallel port. 600dpi resolution. Works great! Now I produce my own color brochures and price sheets from my photos! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 17:32:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:55:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Nadine Beth Schneider Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:35:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.63512.0> References: <<005001be6902$3e1ea780$ef44accf@hq6bx>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: > > Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about > Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! > yes, Tim had stated in his bio that he is an INFP and I responded given that there are so few INFPs out there....my husband is, I believe an ESFJ or ESTJ, not sure which...makes life interesting.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 17:38:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:08:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: "Nadine Beth Schneider" To: "Glass Enthusiasts" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:08:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.10827.0> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >My daughter's an ESTJ--I really understand. My >husband is an INTJ and my son is an ENTJ. Aimee's >the only S in the family and I'm the only F. We're >pretty colorful! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elizabeth Arakelian >To: Nadine Beth Schneider >Cc: ; Tim & Adriana Atwood >Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 2:35 PM >Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > > >>Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: >>> >>> Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about >>> Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! >>> >> >> >>yes, Tim had stated in his bio that he is an INFP and I responded >given >>that there are so few INFPs out there....my husband is, I believe >an >>ESFJ or ESTJ, not sure which...makes life interesting.... >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 17:44:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:11:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass heaven Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:50:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.65036.0> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk I sent this to the wrong newsgroup last night...how EMBARRASSING>.....anyway...hear it is went to a restaurant that was like glass heaven...bevel panels everywhere....several large leaded pieces in color.....corners over the waiters pass thru....hanging lamps, table lamps...a few birds from the ceiling...just beautiful.....forget the food( it WAS good....) I was just drooling over all that glass...my best friend who was with me at the time now wants to take a class as a result of this outing and make some panels for her door.... if you are ever in Sandpoint Idaho, you MUST visit this place...it is called Hydra. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 19:02:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:38:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Nadine Beth Schneider Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 19:25:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.11256.0> References: <<1999Mar7.92315.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk If you're going to go with this thread, you should read the Meyers-Briggs prayer. I thought it was funny. CT Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: > Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about > Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! > > Nadine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elizabeth Arakelian > To: ; Tim & Adriana Atwood > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > > >I have met very very few INFPs in my life, possibly only two that I > can > >think of...never one who works in glass...my best friend back in > MA, > >Rachel is one...she is a self taught computer genius and a Harvard > Div. > >grad....I think my massage therapist is probably an INFP....and > thats > >it....as far as I go..>I too straddle right down the middle between > the > >F and T...I think I used to be more of a T becasue I was depressed > and > >really was mad at the world.....as I have gotten healthier...I > think I > >have become more of an F...which is how I would have rated myself > before > >I got depressed so I guess that is my true type......I can see > where a T > >would definately be more of an engineer...as for me...since I last > >submitted my bio...glutton for punishment that I am, I am most > likely > >going back to school in a couple of years to be an addictions > >counselor....which is a real INFP sort of thing to do(as a probably > >future therapist to be I have more than a normal interest in all > these > >little indexes and such...but they cant really describe a person > >completely becasue even within a type we are all as different as > >snowflakes)...I have all these creative little hobbies, glass, > writing, > >music, and of them all...writing is the only one i have ever > seriously > >thought about as a career becasue it sort of spoils the creative > process > >for me to have to create on cue to get paid for it, ...I am not > opposed > >to an odd commission here and there for a friend but I cant see > ever > >being a glass professional...it would just take all the fun out of > it > >for me. > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 19:20:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:43:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: a-znet.com!royalpane From: "Michael Bruno" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: I'd like to introduce myself Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.9577.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_000000B8.01BE68AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello there all, My name is Michael and I live in Central New York. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_000000B8.01BE68AA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 19:46:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:57:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Propane Soldering Iron? Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.155259.0> Precedence: bulk Mike says you can get propane powered irons at a hardware store...and I suppose this is as good a time as any to put out my annual request for a used lead mill. Anyone know of one available for sale? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 7 23:26:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:11:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp2!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:10:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar7.18108.0> References: <<014401be68de$cb2ceca0$7d6abace@tatwood>> Precedence: bulk Tim & Adriana Atwood twisted the bytes to say: Tim> An OM1 does have a built in exposure meter. It just does not set the Tim> aperture or time itself. So I have tried specified settings, a stop Tim> plus/minus in half stop increments, different aperture/time combinations for Tim> greater depth-of field, wide angle lens to exaggerate distance, telephoto to Tim> compress distance, and different backlighting. Half stop increments with negative film are almost unnoticeable, given that the machines try to adjust to the same final print. I recommend you try 1.5 or 2, specially above. Modern films respond better to over exposure than to underexposure. Tim> Basic problem seems to be the contrast is too great and the darkness of the Tim> Merry-Go-Round glass too much for the dynamic range of the film and/or Tim> techniques I am using. The human eye seems to register the colours great Tim> but the camera can not. You're right on this. Tim> Part of the problem may be my lighting. I can not afford a full Tim> photographers lighting set up right now and we have no one on the Island Tim> with this sort of set up for me to rent or borrow. I tried back lighting Tim> with daylight and later with halogen work lamps in combination with a Tim> halogen adjusting colour filter (41A filter? I don't have it with me right Tim> now so I am unsure of the number). Tim> Are there films with a greater dynamic range than Kodak Royal Gold or Tim> Standard Gold? Other ways to increase the dynamic range of a film or Tim> photography set up? Actually there are paper and the film of different contrast. By browsing the technical info of Fuji Film I can notice that the more sensitive the film the less contrast it has. I recommend you try Fuji Super G 800, or the Kodak MAX (ISO 800). THey will probably give you low contrast images. Super G 400 is very good with smaller grain. Ask your lab to print in low contrast paper, if they can. Some film around ISO 100 (Like HDC 100) have extreme latitude and they are able to record nice detail in shadows if overly exposed. It you overexpose it by 3 or 4, yes 3 or 4 stops, it will lead you to low contrast prints with detail in the extreme shadows and not to light highlights. Not optimal, but if might do the trick. THe ultimate solution has been outlined. If you cover the light sections with translucent material --to darken them a little bit. Effectively reduceing the contrast. This is commonly done in stained glass lamps. Tim> -----Original Message----- Tim> From: Daniel M. German Tim> To: glass@bungi.com Tim> Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:26 AM Tim> Subject: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca >> Can you explain us how you compute the exposure (i.e. aperture >> and exposure time). This might be your problem. >> -- Daniel M. German "That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical John Stuart Mill -> or moral, is not a sufficient warrant." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 00:38:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:37:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: fake glass Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 21:16:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.131642.0> References: <> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > Kewl, was this all real glass stuff? Some chains get loads of plastic stuff > for their decor. Hanging lamps that look nice but are plastic or overlays, > or imports from God knows where. If I ever get up that way we will > definitely stop in. Definitely in non snow time. Believe it or not we > have a Dairy Queen here at the beach that has many lovely windos made by the > man that used to own the Delphi franshise here in town, I think he now owns > the Dairy Queen. > oh yeah, about that plastic stuff...anyone from the East coast ever been in a Friendlys??? most of them have these truly icky looking plastic ceiling panels...what an embarrassment...think I've seen them in Perkins too..there is also a Pizza hut where we live now that has what looks like from a distance some nice leaded dividers and then you get up close and see they are all plastic, including the "lead"...how cheezy....maybe I am just a picky purist but fake stained glass really bothers me.....my daughter wants to do these painted suncatchers and I suppose I will get them for her(after all she IS only six, cant do the real thing yet....) but a part of me just is appalled that I am actually letting this fake stuff into my home. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 02:41:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:37:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: fake glass Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 21:16:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.131642.0> References: <> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > Kewl, was this all real glass stuff? Some chains get loads of plastic stuff > for their decor. Hanging lamps that look nice but are plastic or overlays, > or imports from God knows where. If I ever get up that way we will > definitely stop in. Definitely in non snow time. Believe it or not we > have a Dairy Queen here at the beach that has many lovely windos made by the > man that used to own the Delphi franshise here in town, I think he now owns > the Dairy Queen. > oh yeah, about that plastic stuff...anyone from the East coast ever been in a Friendlys??? most of them have these truly icky looking plastic ceiling panels...what an embarrassment...think I've seen them in Perkins too..there is also a Pizza hut where we live now that has what looks like from a distance some nice leaded dividers and then you get up close and see they are all plastic, including the "lead"...how cheezy....maybe I am just a picky purist but fake stained glass really bothers me.....my daughter wants to do these painted suncatchers and I suppose I will get them for her(after all she IS only six, cant do the real thing yet....) but a part of me just is appalled that I am actually letting this fake stuff into my home. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 02:59:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:05:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Scanners Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:47:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.154739.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie.. Try Microsoft Publisher for your brochures ,etc... I use it for my brochures,business cards and also make my own post cards to send out to clients... Works great and runs like $89 I think it is... I've been using it a couple years now... I use HP paper that is coated on both sides and have a pretty nice brochure if I do say so myself... My total cost ink and all is maybe 20 cents each....Price a 2 sided full color brochure at any Kinkos etc and you'll see just how much you can save with a little scanning and work on your part... I also send out my own color postcards occasionally to past clients...Avery has sheets of 4 postcards per sheet that work fine.. Byron.... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 1:18 PM Subject: Scanners >I recently purchased a CanoScan FB620P scanner for under $100. >It was the floor model at the local Circuit City retailer. It came with >scanning software & Adobe Printshop. Parallel port. 600dpi >resolution. Works great! Now I produce my own color brochures >and price sheets from my photos! > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >http://www.igga.org/wood/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 03:14:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:20:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <199903080900.BAA17617@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about >Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! Perhaps...I've been thinking it would be another interesting bit of into to compile. Carol INTJ...occasionally vacillating back to ISTJ for scientific projects. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 04:21:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:06:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Christie A. Wood'" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Scanners Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.1914.0> Precedence: bulk Good for you. And for small objects like suncatchers and small panels, you can lay them directly on the scanner bed and get a pic that can be manipulated for presentation. Sometimes looks better than a photo scanned. Linda Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood [SMTP:Ensembles@compuserve.com] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 5:49 PM To: Bungi Subject: Scanners I recently purchased a CanoScan FB620P scanner for under $100. It was the floor model at the local Circuit City retailer. It came with scanning software & Adobe Printshop. Parallel port. 600dpi resolution. Works great! Now I produce my own color brochures and price sheets from my photos! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 06:40:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 05:22:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: ctombro@InfoAve.Net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:20:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.32016.0> References: <<36E34311.92BB78BD@infoave.net>> Organization: Nadine's Folly Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk I've never seen the MB prayer. Do you have a copy of it? Nadine Carol Tombro wrote: > > If you're going to go with this thread, you should read the > Meyers-Briggs prayer. I thought it was funny. > CT > > Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: > > > Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about > > Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! > > > > Nadine > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Elizabeth Arakelian > > To: ; Tim & Adriana Atwood > > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:28 PM > > Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > > > > >I have met very very few INFPs in my life, possibly only two that I > > can > > >think of...never one who works in glass...my best friend back in > > MA, > > >Rachel is one...she is a self taught computer genius and a Harvard > > Div. > > >grad....I think my massage therapist is probably an INFP....and > > thats > > >it....as far as I go..>I too straddle right down the middle between > > the > > >F and T...I think I used to be more of a T becasue I was depressed > > and > > >really was mad at the world.....as I have gotten healthier...I > > think I > > >have become more of an F...which is how I would have rated myself > > before > > >I got depressed so I guess that is my true type......I can see > > where a T > > >would definately be more of an engineer...as for me...since I last > > >submitted my bio...glutton for punishment that I am, I am most > > likely > > >going back to school in a couple of years to be an addictions > > >counselor....which is a real INFP sort of thing to do(as a probably > > >future therapist to be I have more than a normal interest in all > > these > > >little indexes and such...but they cant really describe a person > > >completely becasue even within a type we are all as different as > > >snowflakes)...I have all these creative little hobbies, glass, > > writing, > > >music, and of them all...writing is the only one i have ever > > seriously > > >thought about as a career becasue it sort of spoils the creative > > process > > >for me to have to create on cue to get paid for it, ...I am not > > opposed > > >to an odd commission here and there for a friend but I cant see > > ever > > >being a glass professional...it would just take all the fun out of > > it > > >for me. > > >---- > > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 08:17:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:20:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 06:59:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.225926.0> References: <<199903080900.BAA17617@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > >Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about > >Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! > > Perhaps...I've been thinking it would be another interesting bit of into to > compile. > > Carol > > INTJ...occasionally vacillating back to ISTJ for scientific projects. > > Carol Swann > so as part of this location list those of us who know our MB profile should include it??? or anyone out there into constructing nifty little bar graphs so we can see exactly which MB types are most likely to "do glass"????? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 08:50:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:36:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: technology21.com!lsg From: To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Where do we live Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.53058.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE694E.C14458C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am Michael Minchelli from Lou's Stained Glass ( lsg ) I live in Sea Isle City, New Jersey, USA A small summer resort community. I think we have less than 2000 people = in the winter and over 100,000 in the summer. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE694E.C14458C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am Michael Minchelli from Lou's = Stained Glass=20 ( lsg )
I live in Sea Isle City,  New = Jersey, =20 USA
A small summer resort community. I = think we have=20 less than 2000 people in the winter and over 100,000 in the=20 summer.
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE694E.C14458C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 09:17:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:48:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: RE: Scanners Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:43:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar8.154325.0> Precedence: bulk Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >Now I produce my own color brochures >and price sheets from my photos! They look terrific too! Sparks (occasional desktop publisher in another current life) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 09:26:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:49:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non Glass - currency problems...US $ and pounds Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:43:20 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar8.154320.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/6/99 1:31:59 PM, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk wrote: >Having moved from the States many years ago, I am constantly surprised >when I visit how insular, and inefficient the USA banks are And they're just getting worse....... take it from someone who spent 5 years working in several of them. These days it seems they spend most of their time and effort trying to protect the money against the very customers it belongs to. These days I do most of my banking by ATM, mail, or drive-in, so I don't have to put up with the hucksters behind the counter who only see you as a new account, loan, credit card, etc. etc. to keep their "referral numbers" up.......... Service? Fugeddaboudit! Blecccccccchhhhhhhhhh. Sparks (whose "significant mother" recently got asked for ID when she went to her bank to renew a CD....... after being a customer of that bank for 32 years!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 09:48:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:49:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Grammar......shmammer... Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:43:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar8.154319.0> Precedence: bulk Daniel-in-Oregon's enquiring mind wants to know: >then would one have a bungi and many bungus..?? > >......or would there be many bungus among us?? Actually, I think you've just hit on another designation for a member of bungi. If bungi is plural like "fungi," then obviously a member of the list must be a "bungus." On second thought, considering the connotations of "bung" in various parts of the world, maybe we shouldn't go there after all......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 09:54:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:50:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Blood on the tracks......... Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:43:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar8.15439.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/6/99 4:38:57 PM, BOBDU@prodigy.net wrote: >A while back a client was in to inspect the progress on her window. >Noticing some blood she said joyfully, "Oh, there is even blood on my >window." I had no answer for her. Bob That's another sign of a "handmade original." Sparks (who had 5 bandaged fingers last Thursday to keep the flux out of all the little nicks and cuts -------- *****OUCH*****!!!!!!!!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 10:06:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:51:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Scoring too deep? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:43:27 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar8.154327.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/6/99 1:46:43 PM, studio@stainedglass.co.uk wrote: >Why doesnt the glass break properly if you gouge too deeply when you score >the glass? I suspect it's because if you lean on it hard enough to make a gouge like that, the extra pressure puts additional stresses on the glass in all directions. If you looked at deeply scored and lightly scored glass under polarized light, you'd probably see a lot more "interference waves" in the heavily scored glass where it tried to bend under the pressure but couldn't. Of late I've been trying to lighten up considerably on the cutter, especially with cathedral and other soft glass. It doesn't take much to get a good clean break, and it's a lot less wear and tear on the cutter! Sparks (who spent far too much time hanging out with mechanical engineers in college) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 10:10:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Stats: was:fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:36:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.63655.0> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA USA INTP (to a T) Virgo Baby-boomer (early) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 10:45:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:01:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: I'm Back Date: Mon Mar 8 09:59:25 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.73725.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE698B.4856C2EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those who may care I am back after assorted viruses and various injuries. Responses are coming to those who sent me messages. It's just my boss wants me to catch up on the stuff sitting here for two weeks. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE698B.4856C2EE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm Back

For those who may care I am back after assorted = viruses and various injuries.

Responses are coming to those who sent me messages. = It's just my boss wants me to catch up on the stuff sitting here for = two weeks.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE698B.4856C2EE-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 11:21:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:07:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:05:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.854.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Elizabeth Arakelian >or anyone out there into constructing nifty little bar graphs so we can see exactly which MB types are most likely to "do glass"?????< Would someone mind listing what all these initials stand for? I don't have a clue. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 11:41:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:21:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:19:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990308101931.009df3a0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk At 06:59 AM 3/8/99 -0800, Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: >Carol Swann wrote: >> >> >Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about >> >Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! >> >> Perhaps...I've been thinking it would be another interesting bit of into to >> compile. >> >> Carol >> >> INTJ...occasionally vacillating back to ISTJ for scientific projects. >> >> Carol Swann >> > >so as part of this location list those of us who know our MB profile >should include it??? or anyone out there into constructing nifty little >bar graphs so we can see exactly which MB types are most likely to "do >glass"????? >---- > True to my type, I'd be willing to add MB indicators to the location list ;-) BTW, Tuesday late the first copy of the list will be sent to those who sent their location to me. Vote was almost unanimous that the list should go by private e-mail to the people on it. So, if you want a copy, let me know where you are ASAP! Steve (an ISFJ raised by strong T parents and still recovering from it) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 11:55:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:33:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "gspicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Scoring too deep? Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.134955.0> Precedence: bulk to EliZabeth in Bournemouth et al This seems to have been covered fairly well, but as demo samples for students use a piece of 1/4" plate glass cut with varying pressures, the thickness of the glass allows the increase of the "waves" in the break that lead partially to the random break direction. It is very visually self evident and is all I have had to show my students to make them understand the basic dynamics of cutting pressure. Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada PS, I'm back, - after getting bumped off in 98 by a widespread internet glitch. -----Original Message----- From: dodgestudio@juno.com [SMTP:dodgestudio@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 8:27 PM To: studio@stainedglass.co.uk Subject: Re: Scoring too deep? Elizabeth, The problem with overscoring a line is that instead of getting a single clean fissure line created in the glass you get a multiple fissures sort of radiating our in a star pattern. The break can at any time depart from the main fissure and take off on a tangent line "escaping" using one of the extra little fissures. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 12:15:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:35:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "gspicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Fw: Photo - Dark Glass Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:50:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar7.135019.0> Precedence: bulk To "Tim & Adriana Atwood" & al *Tim: *Peter McGrain ....... solved his similar problems with the painstaking use of spot lighting..... he would use a white sheet as a buffer between the lights and the glass. *Elizabeth Johnson >>this is the only way without a computer and digital manipulation or cut and paste that a photo session will work but the key word here is painstaking<< *Tim, *Can you explain us how you compute the exposure (i.e. aperture and exposure time). This might be your problem. *Daniel M. German >>in this case there is little that can be done using exposure (you'll drive yourself crazy trying, without success) to remedy the situation because of the adjacent high contrast<< *Tim, *Do you have any digital photo editing capabilities? If so that will make this easier, but either way this can be made to work for you>.......<.install a black mask (previously prepared) over the entire panel allowing only the problem piece to remain exposed. Install a very strong light behind the dark piece. *Gary Dodge >>This is one excellent way to overcome the problem. Computerwise, if you have a half decent graphic program (PhotoShop on the high end or the shareware PSP on the bottom end) you can use the "magic wand" select tool or hand select tool to encircle the dark area and then use the brightness setting to lighten that part, or use the "rubber stamp" tool to copy a sample of the desired colour to the region selected. If you import a sample make sure you use an image with (or adjust an image to) the same DPI resolution. With a bit of practice you can do miracles with digital imaging. you can even use scans of actual glass samples! Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada<< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 12:19:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:38:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: sympathy Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:42:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.2422.0> References: <> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Maureen, I would like to add my condolescences too. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 12:38:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:10:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Where do we live Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.2423.0> Precedence: bulk ISG, your message got to me blank too. See my suggestions to Michael in previous message. -----Original Message----- From: lsg@technology21.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Where do we live ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 13:02:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:31:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Nadine Beth Schneider" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:37:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.73717.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where you can get a copy of the documentation to find out what you are? Several years ago in my corporate days the management had all of us in our department take the test . I think it was to find out who they wanted to keep and who they didn't. Anyway, I turned out something strange compared to most all the others but I don't remember what it was or how it was defined. Love to go through it again now and find out the results. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Elizabeth Arakelian ; glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about >Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! > >Nadine >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elizabeth Arakelian >To: ; Tim & Adriana Atwood >Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > > >>I have met very very few INFPs in my life, possibly only two that I >can >>think of...never one who works in glass...my best friend back in >MA, >>Rachel is one...she is a self taught computer genius and a Harvard >Div. >>grad....I think my massage therapist is probably an INFP....and >thats >>it....as far as I go..>I too straddle right down the middle between >the >>F and T...I think I used to be more of a T becasue I was depressed >and >>really was mad at the world.....as I have gotten healthier...I >think I >>have become more of an F...which is how I would have rated myself >before >>I got depressed so I guess that is my true type......I can see >where a T >>would definately be more of an engineer...as for me...since I last >>submitted my bio...glutton for punishment that I am, I am most >likely >>going back to school in a couple of years to be an addictions >>counselor....which is a real INFP sort of thing to do(as a probably >>future therapist to be I have more than a normal interest in all >these >>little indexes and such...but they cant really describe a person >>completely becasue even within a type we are all as different as >>snowflakes)...I have all these creative little hobbies, glass, >writing, >>music, and of them all...writing is the only one i have ever >seriously >>thought about as a career becasue it sort of spoils the creative >process >>for me to have to create on cue to get paid for it, ...I am not >opposed >>to an odd commission here and there for a friend but I cant see >ever >>being a glass professional...it would just take all the fun out of >it >>for me. >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 13:03:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:10:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" , "Brian Shepherd" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Gas powered soldering irons Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:10:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.21025.0> Precedence: bulk Maybe the traditionalist core does. Problem is I am from a non-traditionalist background and to a huge extent I am self taught. I have had a few good teachers in cold glass and one fairly short chance at apprenticing in hot glass. None of the studios I have ever worked in on the West Coast of North America used gas irons for soldering. Many of the hot glass studios use oxy-propane torches for detail hot work, but these are way too hot and do not seem to be configured right for adapting to cold glass solder work. Thanks for the UK site. If no one else comes up with a Canadian (or second choice US) supplier, I will definitely try the UK source. If the gas jet orifice is exchangeable, I can probably get a Canadian pressure standard propane orifice to replace a UK gas pressure orifice. Note to anyone else: I have learned the hard way that U.K. gas pressures and content are different than North American natural gas pressures. This is a problem if you buy gas kilns or any other gas fixtures from Europe or the UK. You will need to change the gas jet orifice size. A gas supplier will usually have the correct ones and they are fairly inexpensive in most cases. But if you do not know to do this, you could end up with a real problem. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Shepherd To: Tim Atwood Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 5:06 PM Subject: Gas powered soldering irons >Tim I sent this earlier but something deeply mysterious seemed to happen to >it! In case you didn't get it then I offer it again! > >Hello Tim > >I'll demonstrate my ignorance to anybody at the drop of a hat! > >Many of the major traditional glass studios studios in England use gas >soldering irons. I don't know if they would work on propane! > >If you want to enquire then stainedglass@kansacraft..co..uk could help I'm >sure. > >Are they not used by the 'traditionalist core' in the USA? > >Best regards > > > BtB > > >> ->Anybody know if any company makes a propane stained glass soldering = >> >iron? I have modified a Bernz-O-Matic Micro-Torch hot knife tip to = >> >accept stained glass soldering tips.. But it does not have quite enough = >> >heat - sort of like an 80 watt iron when I need a 100 watt one..=20 >> > >> >(I live off the power grid.. My studio is in town with power, but I would >= >> >sometimes like to work at home).. >> > >> >> >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 13:05:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:10:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Propane Soldering Iron? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:37:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.23744.0> Precedence: bulk I have tried just about every hardware store in the BC Lower Mainland. Best I could find was the Bernz-O-Matic I mentioned before (from Home Depot). Not adequate. I also tried the flame style soldering tip from a Sears torch set up. Ungainly and it threw off so much extra heat to the sides from the flame. I am hoping for something like the Bernz-O-Matic micro torch, but with just a bit more power. Light weight with a very flexible hose running from the propane tank. Actually, the Bernz-O-Matic handle would work fine if it had a larger tip with a bit more catalytic heat producing material. I wrote to Bernz-O-Matic and they do not make such a tip though. -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Cc: Glass List Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 7:00 PM Subject: Propane Soldering Iron? >Mike says you can get propane powered irons at a hardware store...and I >suppose this is as good a time as any to put out my annual request for a >used lead mill. Anyone know of one available for sale? > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 13:18:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:11:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: light boxes Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:06:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.3622.0> Precedence: bulk Other notes on light boxes (I just can't seem to keep myself down to the one word I promised in the first message). The carpentry design depends a lot on what you intend to use the light box for. Does it need to be portable? Are you mainly just looking at glass? Doing design work on it? Or are you actually cutting glass on it? I do almost all of my glass cutting directly on my main light table. Therefore: a. The surface is level. b. I have easy access to all four sides. c. Top and legs are strong and won't shift. d. Height is set for good control and pressure while standing. e. Large enough to hold a 4' by 3' sheet of glass (larger and I would not be able to lean far enough over to score the glass anyway). f. Collapsible table extensions to support the off-cuts an larger sheets of glass. Other than that, it is what you might call very primitive. Main construction components were economy grade 2X4's. Construction grade plywood. Standard fluorescent light sockets (4') with cheap off-the-shelf fluorescent ballast's. Spray painted white inside the box. Standard house electrical boxes, switches, and outlets. Most expensive components were the big sheet of glass for the top (simply set into rabetted grooves in the 2X4 frame), and the colour balanced fluorescent tubes. But if you are using the light box (table) differently then you would design it differently. If you prefer to sit, the height would be different. It is easier on your back to sit and design on an angled surface. If you are not cutting or leaning on the surface it does not need to be as strong nor as stable. If it needs to be portable then you have another whole set of design criteria to think about. If it is for display it would need to look better. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 13:37:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:32:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.83234.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990308101931.009df3a0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk > Steve (an ISFJ raised by strong T parents and still recovering from it) I have no clue what I am, and it's probably just as well. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 13:41:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:02:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Christie A. Wood'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG- MBTI Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:03:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.10333.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, http://www.ils.nwu.edu/~marine/cmbti.html http://www.ccens.com/mbti.htm http://www.aptcentral.org/apttype.htm And you can take a short version of the test to find out what you are. This is a legit test, usually administered by professionals for business who what to help id their employees, for individuals who want to find out why they keep hitting their head against the wall in dealing with other folks and to help identify what job best suits what personality. http://www.keirsey.com/ Linda -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood [SMTP:Ensembles@compuserve.com] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:05 PM To: Bungi Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Message text written by Elizabeth Arakelian >or anyone out there into constructing nifty little bar graphs so we can see exactly which MB types are most likely to "do glass"?????< Would someone mind listing what all these initials stand for? I don't have a clue. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 13:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:29:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:27:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990308122726.0094be80@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar8.854.0>> Precedence: bulk At 01:05 PM 3/8/99 -0500, Christie A. Wood wrote: >Message text written by Elizabeth Arakelian >>or anyone out there into constructing nifty little >bar graphs so we can see exactly which MB types are most likely to "do >glass"?????< > >Would someone mind listing what all these initials stand for? >I don't have a clue. > You're in for a treat...unless you're the wrong type ;-) The Meyers-Briggs indicator puts each of us into one of 16 personality type categories. The four-character labels that bungi people have started attaching to themselves identify their type. There's plenty of information about this on the Web. Start at . This stuff is psychologically valid (at least according to my mental health friends) and not just the latest alphabet-soup fad to spring out of management training courses. When applied constructively, it goes a long way toward explaining why some human interactions work and why others don't. At least it's opened my eyes to some pretty basic similarities and differences among us. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 14:09:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:29:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Byron Wells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Scanners Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:28:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.102851.0> Precedence: bulk Boy, I don't have the time to do all my own promotional work like Byron, = so farm out a lot of stuff including my postcards. I get those from Modern Postcard in California, $95 for 500 plus $12 postage and handling. I hav= e never had a problem with this company and the quality of their work is excellent - send me your address off-bungi and I'll mail you a sample! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 14:12:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "gspicer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Scoring too deep? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.102859.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome back, Glenn. We wondered about you. = Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 14:37:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:56:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:36:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.4365.0> References: <<1999Mar8.854.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood wrote: > > Message text written by Elizabeth Arakelian > >or anyone out there into constructing nifty little > bar graphs so we can see exactly which MB types are most likely to "do > glass"?????< > > Would someone mind listing what all these initials stand for? > I don't have a clue. > > Christy...we are talking about the myers briggs personality profile..it is based on four aspect of personality...introversion vs extroversion, intuitive vs sensing, thinking vs feeling, and percieving vs judging...this all adds up to sixteen different personality types....it can be a good starting place for figuring out what makes you tick....very good for the vocational search or just self knowledge...the person who said their employer used it to decide who to keep and who to ditch btw, your employer went against the ethical boundaries set up by the folks that publish the profiles....what they did was at the very least, pretty borderline. I have a couple of books "Do what you are " and "nurture by nature' that get pretty in depth about the personality types, vocational advice for all of them, strong points and weak points...the nurture by nature book is about how to type your child and how to work with them in parenting rather than against them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 15:04:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:27:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "gspicer" To: "Bungi (E-mail)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: ENFJ, INTJ?? acronyms?? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:25:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.52515.0> Precedence: bulk Can someone clue me in to all these acronyms flying about?? ENFJ, INTJ?? -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann [SMTP:seaspray@mail.island.net] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:01 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about >Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! Perhaps...I've been thinking it would be another interesting bit of into to compile. Carol INTJ...occasionally vacillating back to ISTJ for scientific projects. Carol Swann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 15:19:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:43:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: Lee Boe To: hotglass@list.bb.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------93B1C495A1F90D685A4A5EC7" Subject: [Fwd: Glass Art Society Conference in Tampa] Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:36:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.113628.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------93B1C495A1F90D685A4A5EC7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------93B1C495A1F90D685A4A5EC7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <36E4425F.77E9FFB2@home.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:34:23 -0500 From: Lee Boe Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Subject: Glass Art Society Conference in Tampa References: <008801be6802$ad74f860$544a0318@cc1011172-c.srst1.fl.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.glassart.org/------------------------------------------------ --------------93B1C495A1F90D685A4A5EC7-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 15:31:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:46:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:45:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.5454.0> Precedence: bulk There are a couple of books out with the test in them. I'm away from my home for the next five days and I don't remember exact titles or authors though. If no one else has come up with them before then, I will get the information when I am back home. -----Original Message----- From: Jak N Wolfy To: Nadine Beth Schneider Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >Does anyone know where you can get a copy of the documentation to find out >what you are? Several years ago in my corporate days the management had all >of us in our department take the test . I think it was to find out who they >wanted to keep and who they didn't. Anyway, I turned out something strange >compared to most all the others but I don't remember what it was or how it >was defined. Love to go through it again now and find out the results. > >Jackie >-----Original Message----- >From: Nadine Beth Schneider >To: Elizabeth Arakelian ; glass@bungi.com > >Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:20 PM >Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > > >>Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about >>Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! >> >>Nadine >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Elizabeth Arakelian >>To: ; Tim & Adriana Atwood >>Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:28 PM >>Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >> >> >>>I have met very very few INFPs in my life, possibly only two that I >>can >>>think of...never one who works in glass...my best friend back in >>MA, >>>Rachel is one...she is a self taught computer genius and a Harvard >>Div. >>>grad....I think my massage therapist is probably an INFP....and >>thats >>>it....as far as I go..>I too straddle right down the middle between >>the >>>F and T...I think I used to be more of a T becasue I was depressed >>and >>>really was mad at the world.....as I have gotten healthier...I >>think I >>>have become more of an F...which is how I would have rated myself >>before >>>I got depressed so I guess that is my true type......I can see >>where a T >>>would definately be more of an engineer...as for me...since I last >>>submitted my bio...glutton for punishment that I am, I am most >>likely >>>going back to school in a couple of years to be an addictions >>>counselor....which is a real INFP sort of thing to do(as a probably >>>future therapist to be I have more than a normal interest in all >>these >>>little indexes and such...but they cant really describe a person >>>completely becasue even within a type we are all as different as >>>snowflakes)...I have all these creative little hobbies, glass, >>writing, >>>music, and of them all...writing is the only one i have ever >>seriously >>>thought about as a career becasue it sort of spoils the creative >>process >>>for me to have to create on cue to get paid for it, ...I am not >>opposed >>>to an odd commission here and there for a friend but I cant see >>ever >>>being a glass professional...it would just take all the fun out of >>it >>>for me. >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 15:32:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:28:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "gspicer" To: "Bungi (E-mail)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Scanners (& printing) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:24:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.52427.0> Precedence: bulk Doing your own pamphlets and postcards is fine, but I have yet to find an inkjet printer that does not use water soluble inks, and other than spraying with a fixative or laminating, even the smallest drop of water will ruin a printing. Commercial printers usually use waterproof inks or dyes. Can the two processes really be compared, you get what you pay for. This is not to say that I have not used my inkjet for postcards or other such material, but it does have that inherent weakness to water or moisture. Or am I missing something here? -----Original Message----- From: Byron Wells [SMTP:byronwells@eatumup.com] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 7:48 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scanners Hi Christie.. Try Microsoft Publisher for your brochures ,etc... I use it for my brochures,business cards and also make my own post cards to send out to clients... Works great and runs like $89 I think it is... I've been using it a couple years now... I use HP paper that is coated on both sides and have a pretty nice brochure if I do say so myself... My total cost ink and all is maybe 20 cents each....Price a 2 sided full color brochure at any Kinkos etc and you'll see just how much you can save with a little scanning and work on your part... I also send out my own color postcards occasionally to past clients...Avery has sheets of 4 postcards per sheet that work fine.. Byron.... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 15:43:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Michael Bruno" , "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I'd like to introduce myself Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:44:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.54455.0> Precedence: bulk Michael, your message got to me blank. Two possibilities. The list server does not seem to handle MIME (HTTP) format very well. The server also seems to have problems with extremely long paragraphs. Try sending your message plain text and put a few paragraph breaks in it if it is all one long thing. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Bruno To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:25 PM Subject: I'd like to introduce myself ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 16:06:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:51:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:48:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.54849.0> Precedence: bulk Got some titles and authors off the 'net. Please Understand Me, An Essay on Temperament Styles, by David Keirsey and Marilyn Bates. Prometheus Nemesis Book Company, P.O. Box 2748, Del Mar, CA 92014 (619-632-1575). Portraits of Temperament, David Keirsey. Prometheus Nemesis Book Company, P.O. Box 2748, Del Mar, CA 92014 (619-632-1575), 1987. Or actually go to the following URL for a list of some 20 or more books: http://metalab.unc.edu/personality/faq-mbti.html -----Original Message----- From: Tim Atwood To: Glass List Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >There are a couple of books out with the test in them. I'm away from my >home for the next five days and I don't remember exact titles or authors >though. If no one else has come up with them before then, I will get the >information when I am back home. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jak N Wolfy >To: Nadine Beth Schneider >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:07 PM >Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > > >>Does anyone know where you can get a copy of the documentation to find out >>what you are? Several years ago in my corporate days the management had >all >>of us in our department take the test . I think it was to find out who they >>wanted to keep and who they didn't. Anyway, I turned out something strange >>compared to most all the others but I don't remember what it was or how it >>was defined. Love to go through it again now and find out the results. >> >>Jackie >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nadine Beth Schneider >>To: Elizabeth Arakelian ; glass@bungi.com >> >>Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:20 PM >>Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >> >> >>>Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about >>>Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! >>> >>>Nadine >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Elizabeth Arakelian >>>To: ; Tim & Adriana Atwood >>>Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:28 PM >>>Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >>> >>> >>>>I have met very very few INFPs in my life, possibly only two that I >>>can >>>>think of...never one who works in glass...my best friend back in >>>MA, >>>>Rachel is one...she is a self taught computer genius and a Harvard >>>Div. >>>>grad....I think my massage therapist is probably an INFP....and >>>thats >>>>it....as far as I go..>I too straddle right down the middle between >>>the >>>>F and T...I think I used to be more of a T becasue I was depressed >>>and >>>>really was mad at the world.....as I have gotten healthier...I >>>think I >>>>have become more of an F...which is how I would have rated myself >>>before >>>>I got depressed so I guess that is my true type......I can see >>>where a T >>>>would definately be more of an engineer...as for me...since I last >>>>submitted my bio...glutton for punishment that I am, I am most >>>likely >>>>going back to school in a couple of years to be an addictions >>>>counselor....which is a real INFP sort of thing to do(as a probably >>>>future therapist to be I have more than a normal interest in all >>>these >>>>little indexes and such...but they cant really describe a person >>>>completely becasue even within a type we are all as different as >>>>snowflakes)...I have all these creative little hobbies, glass, >>>writing, >>>>music, and of them all...writing is the only one i have ever >>>seriously >>>>thought about as a career becasue it sort of spoils the creative >>>process >>>>for me to have to create on cue to get paid for it, ...I am not >>>opposed >>>>to an odd commission here and there for a friend but I cant see >>>ever >>>>being a glass professional...it would just take all the fun out of >>>it >>>>for me. >>>>---- >>>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 16:11:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:57:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG- MBTI Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:49:52 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990308144952.00932100@atlas2.az.stratus.com> References: <<"1999Mar8.10333.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk At 03:03 PM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote: >Christie, > >http://www.ils.nwu.edu/~marine/cmbti.html >http://www.ccens.com/mbti.htm >http://www.aptcentral.org/apttype.htm > >And you can take a short version of the test to find out what you are. This >is a legit test, usually administered by professionals for business who >what to help id their employees, for individuals who want to find out why >they keep hitting their head against the wall in dealing with other folks >and to help identify what job best suits what personality. > >http://www.keirsey.com/ > >Linda thanks for these pointers. boy, were they right on target. to wit, from the first one: "ISTPs with more sedate careers usually take on high-risk avocations like racing, skydiving, and motorcycling. While aware of the dangers involved, they are so in touch with the physical world that they know they can get away with much smaller safety margins than other types." i'm an istp, my profession is sitting at a desk all day, drive a motorcycle to work everyday, and race boats and cars... regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 16:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:12:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:11:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar8.6119.0> References: <<1999Mar8.854.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie: You wanted to know what all the initials stood for? Trust me, you really don't want to know. It get really involved and the different initials stand for personality catagories based on your taking the Meyers-Briggs Inventory. There are also animals associated with the final designations, i.e., fox, beavers, etc. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 16:27:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:42:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.123641.0> Precedence: bulk ---Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >ok...now that i know i am an SP/ESFP. > >what do i do with it??? >lol > >pj > >Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. >www.waterw.com/~artglass >Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America >Member International Guild of Glass Artists >-----Original Message----- >From: Suzanne >To: Steve Wernecke >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 4:55 PM >Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > > >>> Steve (an ISFJ raised by strong T parents and still recovering from it) >> >> >>I have no clue what I am, and it's probably just as well. >> >>T Suz >>-- >>"Winning isn't always finishing first. >>Sometimes winning is just finishing." >>Manuel Diotte >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 16:44:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:23:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG: Meyers-Briggs Initials decoded Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:22:39 -0800 Message-ID: <199903082222.OAA05330@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Linda's given you some web pages, but here's a brief decode of the various traits: first letter is either I for introvert or E for extrovert second letter is either N for intuitive or S for sensing third letter is either T for thinking or F for feeling fourth letter is either P for perceiving or J for judging a C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 16:47:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:29:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG will collect Meyers Briggs Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:27:33 -0800 Message-ID: <199903082227.OAA07247@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk I'd be willing to collect the Meyers Briggs personality types for any bungi members that wish to send them to me and will report back to the group on trends. Even with the just the few who've posted, I'm seeing a possible trend starting to emerge...it'll be interesting to see if it continues. Send them to me offline at the addy below. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 17:06:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:31:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Michael Bruno" , "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I'd like to introduce myself Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:28:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.62850.0> Precedence: bulk Michael, your message got to me blank. Two possibilities. The list server does not seem to handle MIME (HTTP) format very well. The server also seems to have problems with extremely long paragraphs. Try sending your message plain text and put a few paragraph breaks in it if it is all one long thing. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Bruno To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:25 PM Subject: I'd like to introduce myself ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 17:08:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:11:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: MBTI: E/I, S/N T/F, P/J: E I E I Ohh. (MacDonald had a Farm) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:04:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.7420.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >Would someone mind listing what all these initials stand for? >I don't have a clue. ****** Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI). The initials you see thrown around refer to four sets of polar ranges, each referring to a different way people deal with or perceive or organise the world. Resulting in 16 basic types. Extroversion / Introversion (E/I) - Basic attitude or orientation. Sensing / iNtuition (S/N) - How people perceive the world (taking in information). Thinking / Feeling (T/P) - How people organise or judge the what they perceive. Perceiving / Judging (P/J) - (I always have trouble describing this one. Try some of the sites or read the books. Or maybe someone else has a good description of the P/J polarity?) (Note: A lot of people have problems with the meaning of the English word "judging". The original German is closer to Jung's intent). The ESFP -- The Performer (Demonstrator) The ISFP -- The Composer The ESTP -- the Promoter The ISTP -- the Operator (Instrumentor) The ESFJ -- the Provider The ISFJ -- the Protector The ESTJ -- the Supervisor The ISTJ -- the Inspector The ENFP -- the Champion (Motivator, Advocate) The INFP -- the Healer (Tutor) The ENFJ -- the Teacher The INFJ -- the Counsellor The ENTP -- the Inventor The INTP -- the Architect (Designer) The ENTJ -- the Field Marshall (Mobilizer) The INTJ -- the Mastermind (Entailer) Psycho-babble, though I find it some of the more useful psycho-babble out there. The fact that it has been around for over 50 years now would indicate a lot of people find it useful and "real". Used by a lot of counsellors and corporations. Really does seem to help understanding why and how different people view the world differently. Also gives a good frame work for understanding why some types of people respond to different things than other people. Lots of different books written on it all taking different tacks. Some to help you understand yourself, some to understand other people, some to help in relationships, some for corporate team building, some for corporate management, some for sales people (as in how to sell to different types of clients). Depending on your type you will probably prefer different books. Mild warning: Just like almost every other form of psychological typing it has been misused by some people to manipulate others. Depending on your Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), you may not even believe in MBTI :-) Carl Jung originally came up with the theory of psychological types. Isabel Myers (later Isabel Briggs-Myers)worked first with Jung and then later with Peter Briggs to extend the theory into the MBTI. David Keirsey then developed a set of questions (the Keirsey Temperament Sorter) and Keirsey Temperament Theory which brought the whole thing into the realm of popular culture. Several others have extended it into other realms such as the theory of backup or stress types where a persons type is seen as sometimes changing dramatically under stress. Since each of these polar distinctions are defined as a range, you will sometimes see people refer to themselves as switching between various type combinations. For example I am in the middle of the Feeling/Thinking range, so exhibit traits of both an INFP and an INTP. My wife is what is currently being referred to as an ambivert, able to switch from extrovert to introvert so her first letter switches from "I" to "E". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 17:29:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:11:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:09:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.7940.0> Precedence: bulk Some types do not want to know their type or even believe in types. Which is fine by me based on my type :-) -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Steve Wernecke Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > >I have no clue what I am, and it's probably just as well. > >T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 17:31:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:15:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: INFP but not glass! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:10:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199903082303.SAA13603@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > personality types....it can be a good starting place for figuring > out what makes you tick.... Aw, I just use the Popeye measurement: I yam what etc. Is old age when "New Age" stuff seems ancient? Like from the Middle Ages? And it just makes one grouchy? And ask petulantly, "why don't they turn the Lights on?!" during films noir? My dad worked with me, he did: "Go out in the back yard and get a stick." (I was due for a spanking.) I'd come back with a 4x4. "No, that's too big; go get the right size." I'd come back with a twig. "No, that's too small; go get the right size." Of course, I'd finally resign myself to facing the music I myself had composed and would come back with something suitable. Then I would do a scientific experiment: is it possible to get a running start without it being obvious so that the motion of the stick is offset by my howl of "anguish," yet let the Pater think that he'd actually made a connection? Usually not. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 17:38:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:45:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: My I is E'd and I'm going on the QT Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:41:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.74155.0> Precedence: bulk Fellow INFP's diversify! Wow - either this list has more members than I ever imagined or something about it attacts fellow INFP's. I have heard from four of you now. Normally INFPs make up less than 1/2 of 1 percent of the total population. (Something which most INFP's are damn proud of. Though sometimes they hate it. All depends on the principals which we see as our particular INFP "vision"). Anyway, my introverted "I"s totally "E"xhausted from all this "E"xtroverted chatting on Bunji. So I am going to take my "I' out of here and go on the "QT" for a bit. Plus the INTP side of me is telling me I have to program some of that COBOL crap on the HP/3000 on MPE out here at IPM in the great BC (.CA). Oh Lawd! I am confused. I'm going to hide under my desk now and let all these letters fall where they may :-( and/or :-o and/or :-) ! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 18:05:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:50:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My Member Web Site Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:48:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.74811.0> Precedence: bulk http://igga.org/atwood/ -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:04 AM Subject: Re: My Member Web Site >>My IGGA member web site is up. Thanks to Albert for his work. >> >>Check me out under the Canada section of the IGGA member list. > >What is your web addy: www.igga.org/????? > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 18:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:24:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "gspicer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: ENFJ, INTJ?? acronyms?? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:24:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.142412.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "gspicer" >Can someone clue me in to all these acronyms flying about?? ENFJ, INTJ??= < Okay, it's my turn first this time.... before some other grump points it = out- and how does this relate to *glass*? Best, Dani Greer(who really doesn't mind a bit of a tangent now and then.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 18:43:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:50:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Selling myself.... Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:51:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.125149.0> Precedence: bulk Ok..I think I did good. I have very mixed feelings about this...but, I spent the entire morning on the phone calling interior designers, gift shops, garden shops etc...selling myself. Sheesh, I hate that. The hardest part is picking up the receiver. The people have been very nice, however (Thank God) I have myself busy for the next few weeks with appointments...and not nearly the inventory I would like, but lots of pictures. Seems like they have their own ideas of what they want anyway...and hey, I can do that, right? Arrghhhhhhhhh..... Seems like quite a few buy outright..(good) however it does bother me for them to make as much on my work as I do.. I dont have to do it forever, but could use the income...so...whether I like it or not, I'm doing it. Well, That's it. T Suz (that little test did say I like to make others aware of my accomplishments) lol. -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 18:46:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:35:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usa.net!jenfrisbee From: Jennifer Frisbee To: Bungi! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: printers and scanners Date: 8 Mar 99 17:27:54 MST Message-ID: <1999Mar9.02754.0> Precedence: bulk My husband and I found a great printer that does waterproof jobs, glossy,= for under $250. It's made by ALPS, and sold at COMPUSA and online. It uses = a microdry system, and the quality is far superior to inkjets...it even pri= nts white and metallics, T-shirts and stickers that won't run in the rain. We are buying one this week....I'll report back to you and let you know h= ow it handles brochures and stained glass designs! Jen Frisbee Newbie Extraordinaire INFP! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 18:48:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:36:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Duck Blake... Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:39:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.123946.0> Precedence: bulk ....Sending tornados your way... T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 19:01:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:26:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Elizabeth Arakelian" , , Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:17:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.11720.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Ok! I did the test and came out an INTJ. What happens now? How exactly does this knowledge help me? I think I need to know more about this! Better read a book! Going to bed now! BtB ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 19:20:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:30:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ng - Meyers-Briggs Types' Prayers Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:16:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.121633.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk These are the prayers of the different psychological types according to Meyers-Briggs Personality system: INTJ: Lord, keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be (Note) I am an INTJ type ISTJ: Lord, help me to relax about insignificant details beginning tomorrow at ll:41.23 am e.s.t. ISTP: God, help me to consider people's feelings, even if most of them ARE hypersensitive. ESTP: God, help me to take responsibility for my own actions, even though they're usually NOT my fault. ESTJ: God, help me to not try to RUN everything. But, if YOU need some help, just ask. ISFJ: Lord, help me to be more laid back and help me to do it EXACTLY right. ISFP: Lord, help me to stand up for my rights (if you don't mind my asking). ESFP: God, help me to take things more seriously, especially parties and dancing. ESFJ: God, give me patience, and I mean right NOW. INFJ: Lord, help me not be a perfectionist. (Did I spell that correctly?) INFP: God, help me to finish everything I sta ENFP: God, help me to keep my mind on one thi --- Look a bird ---ing at a time. ENFJ: God, help me to do only what I can and trust you for the rest. Do you mind putting that in writing? INTP: Lord, help me be less independent, but let me do it my way ENTP: Lord, help me follow established procedures today. On second thought, I'll settle for a few minutes. ENTJ: Lord, help me slow downandnotrushthroughwatIdo AMEN ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 19:38:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:09:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: MBTI: E/I, S/N T/F, P/J: E I E I Ohh. (MacDonald had a Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:08:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990308180829.00952940@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar8.7420.0>> Precedence: bulk At 03:04 PM 3/8/99 -0800, Tim Atwood wrote: >Perceiving / Judging (P/J) - (I always have trouble describing this one. >Try some of the sites or read the books. Or maybe someone else has a good >description of the P/J polarity?) > The explanation that's worked best for me is that the J/P dimension indicates whether you tend to be an information gatherer (using your S/N skills as appropriate) or a decision maker (the T/F characteristic). Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 20:09:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: P) (http://keirsey.com/pumII/jp.html) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:42:52 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.204252.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE69A4.3C9FA100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attached site is great explanation of difference between "judgment" and "perception" for Meyers Briggs. What fun. Tami http://keirsey.com/pumII/jp.html ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE69A4.3C9FA100 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="P).url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="P).url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://keirsey.com/pumII/jp.html Modified=E018B709A469BE0184 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE69A4.3C9FA100-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 20:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:20:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Tim Atwood" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:26:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.15261.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, I did it. I took the test from one of the webs that Linda wrote about. Okay guys, Is this good or bad. I came out as ESFJ ,,,,,,,,,,,,not what I thought it would be. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Tim Atwood To: Glass List Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >There are a couple of books out with the test in them. I'm away from my >home for the next five days and I don't remember exact titles or authors >though. If no one else has come up with them before then, I will get the >information when I am back home. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jak N Wolfy >To: Nadine Beth Schneider >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:07 PM >Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP > > >>Does anyone know where you can get a copy of the documentation to find out >>what you are? Several years ago in my corporate days the management had >all >>of us in our department take the test . I think it was to find out who they >>wanted to keep and who they didn't. Anyway, I turned out something strange >>compared to most all the others but I don't remember what it was or how it >>was defined. Love to go through it again now and find out the results. >> >>Jackie >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nadine Beth Schneider >>To: Elizabeth Arakelian ; glass@bungi.com >> >>Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:20 PM >>Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >> >> >>>Did I miss something. . .the beginning of a thread about >>>Meyers-Briggs personality types? I am an ENFJ! >>> >>>Nadine >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Elizabeth Arakelian >>>To: ; Tim & Adriana Atwood >>>Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:28 PM >>>Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP >>> >>> >>>>I have met very very few INFPs in my life, possibly only two that I >>>can >>>>think of...never one who works in glass...my best friend back in >>>MA, >>>>Rachel is one...she is a self taught computer genius and a Harvard >>>Div. >>>>grad....I think my massage therapist is probably an INFP....and >>>thats >>>>it....as far as I go..>I too straddle right down the middle between >>>the >>>>F and T...I think I used to be more of a T becasue I was depressed >>>and >>>>really was mad at the world.....as I have gotten healthier...I >>>think I >>>>have become more of an F...which is how I would have rated myself >>>before >>>>I got depressed so I guess that is my true type......I can see >>>where a T >>>>would definately be more of an engineer...as for me...since I last >>>>submitted my bio...glutton for punishment that I am, I am most >>>likely >>>>going back to school in a couple of years to be an addictions >>>>counselor....which is a real INFP sort of thing to do(as a probably >>>>future therapist to be I have more than a normal interest in all >>>these >>>>little indexes and such...but they cant really describe a person >>>>completely becasue even within a type we are all as different as >>>>snowflakes)...I have all these creative little hobbies, glass, >>>writing, >>>>music, and of them all...writing is the only one i have ever >>>seriously >>>>thought about as a career becasue it sort of spoils the creative >>>process >>>>for me to have to create on cue to get paid for it, ...I am not >>>opposed >>>>to an odd commission here and there for a friend but I cant see >>>ever >>>>being a glass professional...it would just take all the fun out of >>>it >>>>for me. >>>>---- >>>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 21:36:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:02:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Scanners (& printing) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:05:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.16548.0> Precedence: bulk You are absolutely right about getting what you pay for... Your also right of course about inkjet inks running when wet... However I mainly use these brochures as handouts for customers of the homebuilders I work for... Since I've only been in business about 1 1/2 years every penny counts right now so instead of spending hundreds on professionally done brochures I spend just a few dollars,print them as I need them and put the rest of my money into building glass and bevel stocks up.. This also allows me to use several different versions of the same basic brochure to target my different types of clients.... I have one set up with mostly pictures of 'plain jane' type windows that the builders like because the are a 'safe' door or window for them to put in a spec house... I have a 2nd version of my brochure that has pictures of suncatchers,framed panels and much more colorful panels for individuals that call wanting that special something for thier home or office... Anyway this works well for me at the moment... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: gspicer To: Bungi (E-mail) Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Scanners (& printing) >Doing your own pamphlets and postcards is fine, but I have yet to find an >inkjet printer that does not use water soluble inks, and other than >spraying with a fixative or laminating, even the smallest drop of water >will ruin a printing. Commercial printers usually use waterproof inks or >dyes. Can the two processes really be compared, you get what you pay for. >This is not to say that I have not used my inkjet for postcards or other >such material, but it does have that inherent weakness to water or >moisture. Or am I missing something here? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 21:49:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:47:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glenn Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:47:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.114739.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Dani wrote: Welcome back, Glenn. We wondered about you. I'll second that Glenn, nice to see you! Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Moswood Mountain Limited http://come.to/moswood_mountain_limited http://start.at/MML_Web_Design1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 22:02:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: I's an E...(duh) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 22:39:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.16399.0> Precedence: bulk While caring for 6 kids this afternoon, I took the test. In the midst of the test, the younger of the 6 needed to have a bottle. While giving the bottle I notice my 8 yr old at the computer messing with my test... I tell her to leave it alone, and move on. When I came back to the test, it was in a different spot, I just scrolled until the questions werent answered! Didnt occur to me that she may have randomly put dots in little circles! Thus, my first test results rendered me as a world leader! ROFL... Heaven helps us all, we're gonna have *some* fun *now*! ;o) This is why I mentioned Margaret, (as in Thatcher) The biggest and most often characteristic being these wonderful organisational skills. Ummmmmm...that was the first hint something was wrong! Nothing in my life has *ever* resembled that trait! See the 3 projects currently underway on each of my work tables. The rest didnt fit the part of me that cries at commercials, Heaven help me when I watch the news or read the paper! I retook the test, and now it does sound a tad more like me. Yup, ENFP. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 22:26:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:48:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Tim Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My I is E'd and I'm going on the QT Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:28:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.122851.0> References: <<1999Mar8.74155.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Tim Atwood wrote: > > Fellow INFP's diversify! > > Wow - either this list has more members than I ever imagined or something > about it attacts fellow INFP's. I have heard from four of you now. > Normally INFPs make up less than 1/2 of 1 percent of the total population. > > (Something which most INFP's are damn proud of. Though sometimes they hate > it. All depends on the principals which we see as our particular INFP > "vision"). > > Anyway, my introverted "I"s totally "E"xhausted from all this "E"xtroverted > chatting on Bunji. So I am going to take my "I' out of here and go on the > "QT" for a bit. Plus the INTP side of me is telling me I have to program > some of that COBOL crap on the HP/3000 on MPE out here at IPM in the great > BC (.CA). > > Oh Lawd! I am confused. I'm going to hide under my desk now and let all > these letters fall where they may :-( and/or :-o and/or :-) ! > no Tim, I think we are overrepresented....INFPs of all the types are the ones who are described as "artists at heart even if that is not actually how they make their living" . So it is no surprise at all that there is a higher number of us in here than one would expect. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 8 23:26:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "Suzanne" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I's an E...(duh) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.203727.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Suzanne, >I retook the test, and now it does sound a tad more like me. Yup, ENFP. You're in great company!! have a look here for more info about ENFPs... http://www.cros.net/soraya/enfp.htm Take care, Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 01:23:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:00:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Soraya Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I's an E...(duh) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:38:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.153859.0> References: <<1999Mar8.203727.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Soraya wrote: > > Dear Suzanne, > > >I retook the test, and now it does sound a tad more like me. Yup, ENFP. > > You're in great company!! > > have a look here for more info about ENFPs... > http://www.cros.net/soraya/enfp.htm > > Take care, > Soraya > > so where are blurbs like this for the other types???? I WANT ONE:) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 04:33:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 03:13:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:55:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199903091047.FAA20918@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Seems like quite a few buy outright..(good) however it does bother > me for them to make as much on my work as I do.. Don't let it bother you, Suzanne. This subject has been covered here before, but if you'll think about it, they've got a lot of work and expense ahead of them, too: every inch of any retail space has to be productive; they have labor and insurance costs, advertising, and they'll also be taking over the customer relations and interactions (and returns) side of things, too. Good for you for getting up the gumption to make the calls! You've just enlisted (or are about to enlist) partners in your enterprise. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 04:35:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 03:16:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Steve Wernecke'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: MBTI: E/I, S/N T/F, P/J: E I E I Ohh. (MacDonald had a Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:18:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.11818.0> Precedence: bulk J's tend to be on time and enjoy planning ahead. Many military people are j's P' tend to be late and hate to plan ahead prefering to be spontaneous. Being a P, I can actually make myself sick if I have too much on the calendar. My introversion mixed with that can actually make me withdraw and cancel everything. As you can see, each letter plays on the other. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Steve Wernecke [SMTP:steve@villagesoftsmith.com] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:08 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: MBTI: E/I, S/N T/F, P/J: E I E I Ohh. (MacDonald had a At 03:04 PM 3/8/99 -0800, Tim Atwood wrote: >Perceiving / Judging (P/J) - (I always have trouble describing this one. >Try some of the sites or read the books. Or maybe someone else has a good >description of the P/J polarity?) > The explanation that's worked best for me is that the J/P dimension indicates whether you tend to be an information gatherer (using your S/N skills as appropriate) or a decision maker (the T/F characteristic). Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 05:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 04:25:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I's an E...(duh) nonglass, nonsequitur and nonviolent Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:24:05 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar9.12245.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/9/99 1:03:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > I retook the test, and now it does sound a tad more like me. Yup, ENFP. Hey Suzanne de Tulsa, Ummm.....you bought the wrong vowel?? Where was Vanna when you needed her? IA (intp even though no one ever believes it) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 05:53:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 04:41:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: ctombro@infoave.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ng - Meyers-Briggs Types' Prayers and where Homer Simpson fits in Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:36:17 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar9.123617.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/8/99 10:21:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, ctombro@InfoAve.Net writes: > ENFP: God, help me to keep my mind on one thi --- Look a bird ---ing > at a time. Did you ever see the Homer joins the cult Simpson's episode? They had the hardest time "mind controlling" him because he did that exact thing. Said "look a bird" and ran off to chase it. This opens up a whole new aspect of myers briggsing activities, trying to decide who on tv is what. By the way I am multi talented, sit here every day after work and read your posts and watch old Simpson's reruns. Normally I can tell which is which, but some days it's tough. IA (intp and damn proud of it ) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 06:36:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:16:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: test Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:17:22 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi, After reading all the posts, i decided to take the test this morning. I am Artisan: SP and Composer: ISFP. Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 07:09:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:17:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!elsiemt From: elsie turqman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7096412E2AC6417D7E5362C0" Subject: NG Friends!! Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:08:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar8.282.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7096412E2AC6417D7E5362C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received this from a friend from my childhood. I hope that you all enjoy it. Elsie > FRIENDS > > 1. In kindergarten your idea of a good friend was the person > who let you have the red crayon when all that was left was the > ugly black one. > > 2. In first grade your idea of a good friend was the person > who went to the bathroom with you and held your hand as you > walked through the scary halls. > > 3. In second grade your idea of a good friend was the person > who helped you stand up to the class bully. > > 4. In third grade your idea of a good friend was the person > who shared their lunch with you when you forgot yours on the > bus. > > 5. In fourth grade your idea of a good friend was the person > who was willing to switch square dancing partners in gym so > you wouldn't have to be stuck do-si-do-ing with Nasty Nicky > or Smelly Susan. > > 6. In fifth grade your idea of a friend was the person who > saved a seat on the back of the bus for you. > > 7. In sixth grade your idea of a friend was the person who > went up to Nick or Susan, your new crush, and asked them to > dance with you, so that if they said no you wouldn't have to > be embarrassed. > > 8. In seventh grade your idea of a friend was the person who > let you copy the social studies homework from the night before > that you had. > > 9. In eighth grade your idea of a good friend was the person > who helped you pack up your stuffed animals and old > baseball cards so that your room would be a "high > schooler's" room, but didn't laugh at you when you finished > and broke out into tears. > > 10. In ninth grade your idea of a good friend was the person > who went to that "cool" party thrown by a senior so you > wouldn't wind up being the only freshman there. > > 11. In tenth grade your idea of a good friend was the person > who changed their schedule so you would have someone to > sit with at lunch. > > 12. In eleventh grade your idea of a good friend was the > person who gave you rides in their new car, convinced your > parents that you shouldn't be grounded, consoled you when you > broke up with Nick or Susan, and found you a date to the prom. > > 13. In twelfth grade your idea of a good friend was the person > who helped you pick out a college, assured you that you > would get into that college, helped you deal with your parents > who were having a hard time adjusting to the idea of letting > you go... > > 14. At graduation your idea of a good friend was the person > who was crying on the inside but managed the biggest smile > one could give as they congratulated you. > > 15. The summer after twelfth grade your idea of a good friend > was the person who helped you clean up the bottles from that > party, helped you sneak out of the house when you just > couldn't deal with your parents, assured you that now that > you and Nick or you and Susan were back together, you > could make it through anything, helped you pack up for > college and just silently hugged you as you looked through > blurry eyes at 18 years of memories you were leaving behind, > and finally on those last days of childhood, went out of their > way to give you reassurance that you would make it in college > as well as you had these past 18 years, and most importantly > sent you off to college knowing you were loved. > > 16. Now, your idea of a good friend is still the person who > gives you the better of the two choices, hold your hand when > you're scared, helps you fight off those who try to take advantage of > you, thinks of you at times when you are not there, reminds > you of what you have forgotten, helps you put the past > behind you but understands when you need to hold on to it a > little longer, stays with you so that you have confidence, goes > out of their way to make time for you, helps you clear up your > mistakes, helps you deal with pressure from others, smiles for > you when they are sad, helps you become a better person, and > most importantly loves you! > > ******************** > Pass on to those friends of the past, and those of the > future...and those you have met along the way... > Thank you for being a friend. No matter where we go or > who we become, never forget who helped us get there. > > There's never a wrong time to pick up a phone or send a > message telling your friends how much you miss them or how much > you lovethem. > > You know who you are, pass it on to someone who you want to > remind. > > So Send this to all your friends and maybe those who aren't but > just watch and see who sends it back. > > If you love someone, tell them. Remember always to say what > you mean. Never be afraid to express yourself. Take this > opportunity to tell someone what they mean to you. Seize the > day and have no regrets. > > Most importantly, stay close to your friends and family, for they > have helped make you the person that you are today and are what it's > all about anyway. Pass this along to your friends. Let it make a > difference in your day and theirs. The difference between expressing > love and having regrets is that the regrets may stay around forever. > > --------- End forwarded message ---------- > --------------7096412E2AC6417D7E5362C0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail6.bellatlantic.net ([151.201.0.38]) by immta2.bellatlantic.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with ESMTP id <19990307150105.KFCT8204@mail6.bellatlantic.net> for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:01:05 -0500 Received: from m14.boston.juno.com (m14.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.193]) by mail6.bellatlantic.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08421 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ftj1@juno.com) by m14.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D447X9H8; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:54:06 EST To: apetej@ucnsb.net, HPJG47A@PRODIGY.COM, jdavern@juno.com, JADORN@IBM.NET, JIMDUNTON@PRODIGY.COM, BDBASS@STRATO.NET, GOLFMG@juno.com, tharper@iex.net, Hester@Bard.edu, BVL1@worldnet.att.net, CSTONE@ICANECT.NET, HDS5@epix.net, lawyer@capital.net, ELSIEMT@BELLATLANTIC.NET, nassidaj@earthlink.net Cc: charval@juno.com, bgaylog@bestweb.net Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:46:42 -0500 Subject: Friends!! Message-ID: <19990307.095334.11150.0.ftj1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-119 From: Fred T Johnson FRIENDS 1. In kindergarten your idea of a good friend was the person who let you have the red crayon when all that was left was the ugly black one. 2. In first grade your idea of a good friend was the person who went to the bathroom with you and held your hand as you walked through the scary halls. 3. In second grade your idea of a good friend was the person who helped you stand up to the class bully. 4. In third grade your idea of a good friend was the person who shared their lunch with you when you forgot yours on the bus. 5. In fourth grade your idea of a good friend was the person who was willing to switch square dancing partners in gym so you wouldn't have to be stuck do-si-do-ing with Nasty Nicky or Smelly Susan. 6. In fifth grade your idea of a friend was the person who saved a seat on the back of the bus for you. 7. In sixth grade your idea of a friend was the person who went up to Nick or Susan, your new crush, and asked them to dance with you, so that if they said no you wouldn't have to be embarrassed. 8. In seventh grade your idea of a friend was the person who let you copy the social studies homework from the night before that you had. 9. In eighth grade your idea of a good friend was the person who helped you pack up your stuffed animals and old baseball cards so that your room would be a "high schooler's" room, but didn't laugh at you when you finished and broke out into tears. 10. In ninth grade your idea of a good friend was the person who went to that "cool" party thrown by a senior so you wouldn't wind up being the only freshman there. 11. In tenth grade your idea of a good friend was the person who changed their schedule so you would have someone to sit with at lunch. 12. In eleventh grade your idea of a good friend was the person who gave you rides in their new car, convinced your parents that you shouldn't be grounded, consoled you when you broke up with Nick or Susan, and found you a date to the prom. 13. In twelfth grade your idea of a good friend was the person who helped you pick out a college, assured you that you would get into that college, helped you deal with your parents who were having a hard time adjusting to the idea of letting you go... 14. At graduation your idea of a good friend was the person who was crying on the inside but managed the biggest smile one could give as they congratulated you. 15. The summer after twelfth grade your idea of a good friend was the person who helped you clean up the bottles from that party, helped you sneak out of the house when you just couldn't deal with your parents, assured you that now that you and Nick or you and Susan were back together, you could make it through anything, helped you pack up for college and just silently hugged you as you looked through blurry eyes at 18 years of memories you were leaving behind, and finally on those last days of childhood, went out of their way to give you reassurance that you would make it in college as well as you had these past 18 years, and most importantly sent you off to college knowing you were loved. 16. Now, your idea of a good friend is still the person who gives you the better of the two choices, hold your hand when you're scared, helps you fight off those who try to take advantage of you, thinks of you at times when you are not there, reminds you of what you have forgotten, helps you put the past behind you but understands when you need to hold on to it a little longer, stays with you so that you have confidence, goes out of their way to make time for you, helps you clear up your mistakes, helps you deal with pressure from others, smiles for you when they are sad, helps you become a better person, and most importantly loves you! ******************** Pass on to those friends of the past, and those of the future...and those you have met along the way... Thank you for being a friend. No matter where we go or who we become, never forget who helped us get there. There's never a wrong time to pick up a phone or send a message telling your friends how much you miss them or how much you lovethem. You know who you are, pass it on to someone who you want to remind. So Send this to all your friends and maybe those who aren't but just watch and see who sends it back. If you love someone, tell them. Remember always to say what you mean. Never be afraid to express yourself. Take this opportunity to tell someone what they mean to you. Seize the day and have no regrets. Most importantly, stay close to your friends and family, for they have helped make you the person that you are today and are what it's all about anyway. Pass this along to your friends. Let it make a difference in your day and theirs. The difference between expressing love and having regrets is that the regrets may stay around forever. --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --------------7096412E2AC6417D7E5362C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 07:45:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:53:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: "Melissa Hall" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: light boxes Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:05:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990308080502.006afe20@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<199903071215.HAA21417@gdi4.gdi.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi Melissa, Be sure that the inside is painted as pure a white as you can get and don't make it too deep. I had one made for me... the carpenter made it about 8 inches deep and I think that is too deep. The light was too far from the glass. My box is designed so that the top glass can be removed to gain access to the inside of the box and the lights are florescent strips on the bottom. I asked him not to attach the light strips but to leave them free to move around and easier for me to maintain. I am glad of that because I ended up making a false floor in the box to bring the lights closer to the top of the box. Also the eight inches made the box a little to high on the table, making it awkward to see or use well. I had to create another location for the box that was lower so that when I used the box it suited my height. And don't forget to put vent holes in the box..... Another plus for the light box. During the cutting phases of my projects I turn the box on and place the glass on top of it. It warms the glass which many say makes the glass easier to score. I am so glad that I have the light box ....... I love it, hope you enjoy yours as much.... Barbara At 07:06 AM 6/4/98 -0400, Melissa Hall wrote: >Hi all, > Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom to pass along about light boxes? I >am having one constructed for a project I'm working on and would like to >think about any problems before I give the go ahead to the carpenter to >make it. > >Thanks in advance for any help! > >Melissa Hall >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 07:58:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:47:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: beadmaking supplies Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:39:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.43916.0> Precedence: bulk I just took a bead making class and loved it! Does anyone know of any supply places that are on line, maybe with a catalog on line? I just want to browse around. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 08:28:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:04:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: I's an E...(duh) Date: Tue Mar 9 07:03:40 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.44140.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6A3B.2D628A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Suzanne Just took the test and I'm with you; an ENFP Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6A3B.2D628A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: I's an E...(duh)

Suzanne

Just took the test and I'm with you; an ENFP

Vic M.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6A3B.2D628A80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 09:24:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:51:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: , "Carol Swann" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: P) (http://keirsey.com/pumII/jp.html) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:43:30 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.94330.0> Precedence: bulk Carol - I am an ENFJ. I took this test several years ago, and wondered if I had evolved into something else. Just took it again on this site and it is still ENFJ. Interesting material, and this site has some intriguing material on different variances and applications of the personality/character tests. I don't like to stereotype anyone, but always find it helpful to remember that all of us respond to our environment differently. This sort of inventory reminds me how different we all are and that I need to keep that in perspective when dealing with others. -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: Tami Siddens Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 4:41 AM Subject: Re: P) (http://keirsey.com/pumII/jp.html) > >> Attached site is great explanation of difference between "judgment" and >>"perception" for Meyers Briggs. What fun. Tami >> >>http://keirsey.com/pumII/jp.html > >So what did you come out to be? > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >http://come.to/The_E-Tour > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 09:45:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:01:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: , "elsie turqman" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Friends!! Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.10046.0> Precedence: bulk Elsie - what a wonderful friend you have to send you such a great message. Thanks for making my day - I will certainly share the thought. Tami -----Original Message----- From: elsie turqman To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 3:42 PM Subject: NG Friends!! >I received this from a friend from my childhood. I hope that you all enjoy >it. > >Elsie > >> FRIENDS >> >> 1. In kindergarten your idea of a good friend was the person >> who let you have the red crayon when all that was left was the >> ugly black one. >> >> 2. In first grade your idea of a good friend was the person >> who went to the bathroom with you and held your hand as you >> walked through the scary halls. >> >> 3. In second grade your idea of a good friend was the person >> who helped you stand up to the class bully. >> >> 4. In third grade your idea of a good friend was the person >> who shared their lunch with you when you forgot yours on the >> bus. >> >> 5. In fourth grade your idea of a good friend was the person >> who was willing to switch square dancing partners in gym so >> you wouldn't have to be stuck do-si-do-ing with Nasty Nicky >> or Smelly Susan. >> >> 6. In fifth grade your idea of a friend was the person who >> saved a seat on the back of the bus for you. >> >> 7. In sixth grade your idea of a friend was the person who >> went up to Nick or Susan, your new crush, and asked them to >> dance with you, so that if they said no you wouldn't have to >> be embarrassed. >> >> 8. In seventh grade your idea of a friend was the person who >> let you copy the social studies homework from the night before >> that you had. >> >> 9. In eighth grade your idea of a good friend was the person >> who helped you pack up your stuffed animals and old >> baseball cards so that your room would be a "high >> schooler's" room, but didn't laugh at you when you finished >> and broke out into tears. >> >> 10. In ninth grade your idea of a good friend was the person >> who went to that "cool" party thrown by a senior so you >> wouldn't wind up being the only freshman there. >> >> 11. In tenth grade your idea of a good friend was the person >> who changed their schedule so you would have someone to >> sit with at lunch. >> >> 12. In eleventh grade your idea of a good friend was the >> person who gave you rides in their new car, convinced your >> parents that you shouldn't be grounded, consoled you when you >> broke up with Nick or Susan, and found you a date to the prom. >> >> 13. In twelfth grade your idea of a good friend was the person >> who helped you pick out a college, assured you that you >> would get into that college, helped you deal with your parents >> who were having a hard time adjusting to the idea of letting >> you go... >> >> 14. At graduation your idea of a good friend was the person >> who was crying on the inside but managed the biggest smile >> one could give as they congratulated you. >> >> 15. The summer after twelfth grade your idea of a good friend >> was the person who helped you clean up the bottles from that >> party, helped you sneak out of the house when you just >> couldn't deal with your parents, assured you that now that >> you and Nick or you and Susan were back together, you >> could make it through anything, helped you pack up for >> college and just silently hugged you as you looked through >> blurry eyes at 18 years of memories you were leaving behind, >> and finally on those last days of childhood, went out of their >> way to give you reassurance that you would make it in college >> as well as you had these past 18 years, and most importantly >> sent you off to college knowing you were loved. >> >> 16. Now, your idea of a good friend is still the person who >> gives you the better of the two choices, hold your hand when >> you're scared, helps you fight off those who try to take advantage of >> you, thinks of you at times when you are not there, reminds >> you of what you have forgotten, helps you put the past >> behind you but understands when you need to hold on to it a >> little longer, stays with you so that you have confidence, goes >> out of their way to make time for you, helps you clear up your >> mistakes, helps you deal with pressure from others, smiles for >> you when they are sad, helps you become a better person, and >> most importantly loves you! >> >> ******************** >> Pass on to those friends of the past, and those of the >> future...and those you have met along the way... >> Thank you for being a friend. No matter where we go or >> who we become, never forget who helped us get there. >> >> There's never a wrong time to pick up a phone or send a >> message telling your friends how much you miss them or how much >> you lovethem. >> >> You know who you are, pass it on to someone who you want to >> remind. >> >> So Send this to all your friends and maybe those who aren't but >> just watch and see who sends it back. >> >> If you love someone, tell them. Remember always to say what >> you mean. Never be afraid to express yourself. Take this >> opportunity to tell someone what they mean to you. Seize the >> day and have no regrets. >> >> Most importantly, stay close to your friends and family, for they >> have helped make you the person that you are today and are what it's >> all about anyway. Pass this along to your friends. Let it make a >> difference in your day and theirs. The difference between expressing >> love and having regrets is that the regrets may stay around forever. >> >> --------- End forwarded message ---------- >> > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 10:12:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:49:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: , "Suzanne" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:52:53 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.105253.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne - congratulations on your effort. I understand about the hard part (picking up the phone) - been there. A big part of my day job is encouraging people to sell themselves and their business. I find it helps many of these people, who are often caregivers/social workers/nurses, to call it relationship building. They cringe if I use the word marketing or selling. Indeed a good marketer/salesperson always spends time building that relationship, and finding out more about the person they want to work with. I always find that if you truly spend more time finding out about a person's needs, and you meet those needs with your product and/or services everyone benefits. My own #1 rule - Listen more - Talk less. Good luck. Tami ----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 3:02 AM Subject: Selling myself.... >Ok..I think I did good. > >I have very mixed feelings about this...but, >I spent the entire morning on the phone calling interior designers, gift >shops, garden shops etc...selling myself. Sheesh, I hate that. > >The hardest part is picking up the receiver. The people have been very >nice, however (Thank God) I have myself busy for the next few weeks >with appointments...and not nearly the inventory I would like, but lots >of pictures. Seems like they have their own ideas of what they want >anyway...and hey, I can do that, right? Arrghhhhhhhhh..... > >Seems like quite a few buy outright..(good) however it does bother me >for them to make as much on my work as I do.. > >I dont have to do it forever, but could use the income...so...whether I >like it or not, I'm doing it. > >Well, That's it. > >T Suz (that little test did say I like to make others aware of my >accomplishments) lol. > > >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 10:24:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:28:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: test Date: Tue Mar 9 08:28:36 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.6636.0> Precedence: bulk well, i had to take the test to see how odd i was i am an ISTP any others out there? debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 10:35:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:00:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wt.net!sbross From: "Sarah Bross" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG: MB test Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:48:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.44835.0> References: <<1999Mar8.153859.0>> Precedence: bulk Hmmmm, I think I'm going to have to quit doing glass. I took the test and I'm an INTJ. Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 10:53:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:37:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: P) (http://keirsey.com/pumII/jp.html) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:40:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.10406.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry it didn't come through. Try www.keirsey.com and go to Dimensions of Temperament - Judgement and Perception (J/P) on that first page. Hope that helps. Tami -----Original Message----- From: Goldpaws To: Tami Siddens Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 4:45 AM Subject: Re: P) (http://keirsey.com/pumII/jp.html) >It's blank here!!!!! >I have the Netscape. > >Tami Siddens wrote: > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 10:57:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:11:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I's an E...(duh) nonglass, nonsequitur and nonviolent Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:06:12 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar9.17612.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/9/99 8:37:25 AM, CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: >IA (intp even though no one ever believes it) Based on your posts to the list, *I* sure do believe it! Sparks, *extreme* INP and a lot more F than T, although I have been known to have my phases of T-ness -- took the test "for real" several years ago at a seminar I attended. A lot of people don't believe the "I" part; somewhere I learned to fake "outgoingness" in self-defense, but I'd really rather be off in a quiet corner unless there's a Very Serious Party going on, and even then I'm more "around" people than "with" them ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 11:45:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:21:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: NG Personality Test Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.73745.0> Precedence: bulk First I did the short version, result was Rational NT, INTJ. Next I did the long version, result was Guardian SJ, ESFJ. I guess this means I have a split personality! Karen....virgo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 11:47:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:26:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Elizabeth Arakelian" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I's an E...(duh) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:29:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.6293.0> Precedence: bulk When I took the test it told me that I was an ESFJ but the score graph showed that S/N , sensing/intuition had the same score and P/J , preceiving/judging had the same score. Could they not decide which one to use or am I a strange bird,,,,,,,(as I have always figured) and a combination of personalities...............WOW won't my husband love that.....not. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com ; Soraya Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 3:35 AM Subject: Re: I's an E...(duh) >Soraya wrote: >> >> Dear Suzanne, >> >> >I retook the test, and now it does sound a tad more like me. Yup, ENFP. >> >> You're in great company!! >> >> have a look here for more info about ENFPs... >> http://www.cros.net/soraya/enfp.htm >> >> Take care, >> Soraya >> >> > >so where are blurbs like this for the other types???? I WANT ONE:) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 12:08:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:32:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fidnet.com!dawnm From: "Dawn" To: "Steve Wernecke" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:27:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.42738.0> Precedence: bulk Steve, I do think it's important that everyone realize that if you use your first and last name, omitting your phone number, street address and even your city of residence is futile in protecting your privacy. Anyone on the net can pull up your phone no., address, and even a map of how to get to your house. Just depending on how common your name is they may not even need to know the city or state. Steve, as an example, without even entering your state all I had to do was eliminate 2 other Steve Wernecke's to pull up your street address, phone number, and a map of how to get to your house. Since I will sometimes mention in my conversations when I'm going to be out of town, I prefer to use only my first name and a general area of residence. (Although I trust our bungi members implicitly, all this mail is out there on the net for anyone to see.) I do think you have a good idea and appreciate the effort you are willing to put into this. I thought it was very interesting back when we were signing our locations along with our names. Just something to think about.... Dawn In Missouri >....I think Net prudence dictates that the list not contain street addresses or >phone numbers. If you want to be on the list, just send me a message >identifying your town or region. Include your real-life name or not, >depending on your comfort level ...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 12:10:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:44:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:23:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar9.182313.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/8/99 5:30:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, atwoods@aisl.bc.ca writes: << Some types do not want to know their type or even believe in types. >> We studied personality type in grad school. One of the things that struck me is how these things fall neatly into quadrants - personally I don't think nature works that way. We were studying this area to support work in the field of Instructional Technology. Ironically there is little evidence to suggest that if you develop learning material to a particular personality type, that type will learn any better or faster. On the other hand, a variety of different approaches does work well, so studying types was useful. MB made a life works out of personality types. Carl Jung was the first to come up with the formal concept - which has it's roots in the Medieval notion of the four homours. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 12:34:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:16:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: bshep@dircon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG Re: Bio - Tim Atwood/fellow INFP Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:07:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar9.1972.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/8/99 7:01:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, bshep@dircon.co.uk writes: << Ok! I did the test and came out an INTJ. What happens now? How exactly does this knowledge help me? >> I'm an INTJ myself - a very rare breed. It may help you understand yourself and others. By understanding "types" it may help you figure out ways to deal with different people. Eg. being a "T", I generally prefer fact based reasoning which doesn't always help me when dealing with "F" types. Be aware that personality types can shift due to environment and stress. We can be different types at work or home, and under pressure, we usually shift deeper into our type. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 12:53:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:42:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi (E-mail)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: Scanners (& printing) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:42:20 -0500 Message-ID: <199903091938.OAA14055@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/8/99 4:24 PM gspicer gspicer@seaside.net >Doing your own pamphlets and postcards is fine, but I have yet to find an >inkjet printer that does not use water soluble inks, and other than >spraying with a fixative or laminating, even the smallest drop of water >will ruin a printing. Commercial printers usually use waterproof inks or >dyes. Can the two processes really be compared, you get what you pay for. Amen, amen, amen, Glenn! (from an old typesetter) Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 12:55:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:44:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:41:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990309114133.00948100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<000e01be6a6b$4735b6a0$9cf61cce@i7i6m3>> Precedence: bulk At 12:27 PM 3/9/99 -0800, Dawn wrote: >Steve, > >I do think it's important that everyone realize that if you use your >first and last name, omitting your phone number, street address >and even your city of residence is futile in protecting your privacy. >Anyone on the net can pull up your phone no., address, and even >a map of how to get to your house. Just depending on how common >your name is they may not even need to know the city or state. > >Steve, as an example, without even entering your state all I had to >do was eliminate 2 other Steve Wernecke's to pull up your street >address, phone number, and a map of how to get to your house. > >Since I will sometimes mention in my conversations when I'm going >to be out of town, I prefer to use only my first name and a general >area of residence. (Although I trust our bungi members implicitly, >all this mail is out there on the net for anyone to see.) > >I do think you have a good idea and appreciate the effort you are >willing to put into this. I thought it was very interesting back when we >were signing our locations along with our names. Just something >to think about.... > >Dawn >In Missouri > >>....I think Net prudence dictates that the list not contain street >addresses or >>phone numbers. If you want to be on the list, just send me a message >>identifying your town or region. Include your real-life name or not, >>depending on your comfort level ...... Everything you say is true, and it doesn't require much 'Net savvy to do the kind of search you described. The decision about where to draw the privacy line is a personal one. I choose to have a listed phone number and to include an address so people can find me. If I were to receive a shipment of diamonds, I wouldn't post it on bungi. In case Dawn's warning catches anyone by surprise, I'm going to delay distribution of the first location list until Thursday night. Write to me privately if you want your name removed or entry modified before it goes out. Note that even our plan to restrict distribution of the list to those on it is weak security. I doubt if Glenna screens new mailing list subscribers, and I have no way to verify the truthfulness of information people send me. Dawn, I'm assuming you want your first name and state to appear in the list. Let me know if I'm wrong. Thanks for the cautionary note. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 13:18:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:51:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: I's an E...(duh) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.94918.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne >Yup, ENFP.< My guess is that after 20 years, I'm probably more ENFP than INFP, too. = I wouldn't exactly call myself an introvert these days! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 13:44:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:52:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:49:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.94921.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" > Don't let it bother you, Suzanne. This subject has been covered here = before, but if you'll think about it, they've got a lot of work and = expense ahead of them, too: every inch of any retail space has to be = productive; they have labor and insurance costs, advertising, and = they'll also be taking over the customer relations and interactions = (and returns) side of things, too. Good for you for getting up the = gumption to make the calls! You've just enlisted (or are about to = enlist) partners in your enterprise. < Having marketed other artists' work at my galleries, I can only say "Amen= ." My attitude today is this - I know what price I want for my work, if you= want to pay me that and then sell it for twice as much, more power to you= . = Spread the word... it just makes me that much more valuable as an artist.= = Think of it this way, Suzanne.... you're really getting double the amount= , but in turn, paying someone back to show, promote, sell your work. Frees= you up to do more work that way. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 13:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:52:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: My Member Web Site Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:49:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.9496.0> Precedence: bulk Tim, I tried to visit yesterday and kept getting a message saying "Internet Explorer could not enter the site www........". I'll try again today. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 13:49:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:52:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ng - Meyers-Briggs Types' Prayers Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.94916.0> Precedence: bulk A hundred years ago, I was an INFP and I bet things haven't changed much because the prayer still fits too well! Yikes! Back to work.... Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 14:08:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:52:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: INFP but not glass! Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:49:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.9493.0> Precedence: bulk Well, I wouldn't call Meyers-Brigg exactly new-agey, Albert.... but, you'= re not alone in your thinking. When I asked Michael what he was (after explaining Carol's idea of "typing" glassers and bungians), he responded, " I'm a human being on earth in the late 20th century... ". And I replied, "And, always the hopeless rebel who, by gawd, is not going= to get shoveled in any category, right?" He's just like every other rebel... there's a category for ya! '-) Cheers! Dani Greer(just your average ordinary every-day enigma.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 14:10:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:53:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Selling myself.... Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:49:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.94913.0> Precedence: bulk Good work, Suzanne. I don't know too many folks who like cold-calling, b= ut it's a good cheap way to get your foot in the door. Once you have a litt= le operating money in your pocket, you can find other ways to market yoursel= f that are a bit more palatable. Did you have any luck with the garden centers? If not, maybe they print a newsletter for their customers and y= ou could buy a small ad in it marketing the stones... just a thought. I wou= ld also push the "custom" aspect of your work. Cheers, Dani Greer = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 14:17:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:52:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass question Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:49:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.94926.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a special trick to keep their cement brushes soft betwee= n putty jobs?? Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 14:39:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:27:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: glassgirl.com!"jenny" From: "Jennifer S. Geldard" <"jenny"@glassgirl.com> To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: I give in Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:25:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199903092026.OAA31268@cts.ctsserver.com> Organization: glassgirl's Studio Precedence: bulk Finally took the test... I'm an INFP. Is that the one that's supposed to be so rare, but a lot of glass people are so far? -Jenny ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 15:00:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:30:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "Jerri" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: beadmaking supplies Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:28:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.102812.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri!! You should try http://www.olywa.net/frantzbead/index.html - Frantz Bead - catalog is on-line, unfortunately no pictures for colors, but they have pretty good prices! Enjoy the beads!! Dany http://www.city-net.com/~dany -----Original Message----- From: Jerri To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:00 AM Subject: beadmaking supplies >I just took a bead making class and loved it! Does anyone know of any >supply places that are on line, maybe with a catalog on line? I just want >to browse around. > >Jerri > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 15:02:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:08:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:40:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.34024.0> Precedence: bulk Wonderful for you! I find selling myself the absolute hardest thing about trying to support myself with my craft. I find cold calling so tough I will do literally anything to avoid it. It is wonderful you were able to do it. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:49 PM Subject: Selling myself.... >Ok..I think I did good. > >I have very mixed feelings about this...but, >I spent the entire morning on the phone calling interior designers, gift >shops, garden shops etc...selling myself. Sheesh, I hate that. > >The hardest part is picking up the receiver. The people have been very >nice, however (Thank God) I have myself busy for the next few weeks >with appointments...and not nearly the inventory I would like, but lots >of pictures. Seems like they have their own ideas of what they want >anyway...and hey, I can do that, right? Arrghhhhhhhhh..... > >Seems like quite a few buy outright..(good) however it does bother me >for them to make as much on my work as I do.. > >I dont have to do it forever, but could use the income...so...whether I >like it or not, I'm doing it. > >Well, That's it. > >T Suz (that little test did say I like to make others aware of my >accomplishments) lol. > > >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 15:28:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:08:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: light boxes Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:37:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.33741.0> Precedence: bulk 1/4 inch thick. The type of stuff they use for glass table tops. No it is not tempered. If I wanted a lighter weight light table, I might be tempted to try one of those thin tempered glass sheets that they use for patio doors (just one of the sheets, not the whole double pane). I am a little concerned about tempered glass though. Glass work uses a lot of hardened tools which come to a very fine point or edge (such as a glass cutter). Just perfect for creating the sort of point stress which will cause tempered glass to shatter into all those little chunks you see when a car window breaks. I would be concerned that if I dropped my glass cutter on top of tempered glass I would end up with a light box full of little chunks rather than a table top. When I am cutting lots of glass, I generally lay a sheet of rigid green house plastic on top of the table. I am talking about that stuff with two flat sheets of plastic with a bunch of little walls (tubes?) between. Available at just about any home improvement store. Prevents slipping and scoring the main glass surface, soft enough to avoid the little scratches caused by chips of glass caught between the surface and the glass I am cutting, and flexible enough to absorb most twist or cupping in the glass I am cutting so it does not break while I am scoring. And I just lift it off and give it a little shake to clean off any chips of glass or other junk. Sometimes when I am in a hurry or just cutting one piece of glass I will do it straight on the glass though. I have slipped enough times to have some little short score marks. None of them have ever actually run though. I do not like a permanent plastic surface because it seems the plastic always yellows over time and ends up with thousands of scratches. May not bother some people, but it does me. I am also known to do some soldering right on the light table (usually just quick touch up), or I have my layout soldering table right next to the light table. I am pretty sure I would eventually set a hot iron on a permanent plastic surface and melt a hole into it. The green house plastic is so cheap that I just toss it out and cut a new piece when it gets chewed up. The glass underneath is providing the support. Actually, as an environmentally conscious person, I do not actually toss the old green house plastic in the garbage. It goes up to the garden to form early spring and late fall cloches to keep the veggies warm and extend our growing season. Also works great to keep the rain off the tomatoes and avoid late blight. -----Original Message----- From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:31 PM Subject: Re: light boxes >Hi Tim, > In reference to your light box - how thick is the glass top? Is it tempered? >Do you ever worry when cutting on the glass surface? > I use mine to paint glass, it is a metal portable box, sitting on my drawing >table. The top seems to be some kind of plastic or plexiglass, doesn't seem >sturdy enough to cut on, but does the trick for me for now. > Thanks in advance for your response. >Ann Baxter >Harvard Art & Glass Works ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 15:43:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:10:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Suzanne" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:25:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.42547.0> Precedence: bulk As both an artist and a gallery owner I would like to stick up for the retail end of things here. On consignment we only take 30%. But I know very well that the only reason we are able to keep our head above water without the usual 40% or 50% is because our rent is very low. Even with the small amount of retail we do, we tend to have $10,000 to $20,000 tied up in inventory just sitting on display. A very small pure retail outlet probably has $50,000 or more tied up. Just think about the debt servicing or money tied up in your mortgage and you have some idea what this means. Add to this $1,000 to $5,000 a month in retail space rent, several hundred or thousands a month in insurance on all that stock, plus liability insurance to cover all the customers, plus fire, plus... Oh, and a small newspaper ad is running $200 for a couple of days. Ever check out what a radio spot costs? Or just making the artists work look good in the gallery. We have over $5,000 tied up in halogen track lighting alone. Oh, and a retail store owner's work does not end when the shop is closed. We generally show up at the gallery at 8:00 am just to be cleaned up and ready to open at 10:00. And at the end of the day we are always there until at least 6:00 closing out the day's books. And at the end of every month at least one or two solid days of work to pay all the artists, order new stock, etc. Oh, and we estimate a minimum of 100 hours of work to put on a single special show. Adriana's estimates show we are currently earning about $1 to $2 an hour for our time. Admittedly we are building more than this in capital investment in the gallery which we can take out when we sell it. But as far as take home pay this is about it. So, if you think the retail owner is taking home even a small piece of the mark-up on your work, please think again. And think about everything you are getting for that price you pay. I think you will rapidly find you are getting more for the difference between wholesale and retail pricing on you work than you could ever get spending the same money yourself. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:49 PM Subject: Selling myself.... > >Seems like quite a few buy outright..(good) however it does bother me >for them to make as much on my work as I do.. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 16:00:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:15:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dawn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:18:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.101854.0> References: <<1999Mar9.42738.0>> Precedence: bulk I understand the caution you mentioned earlier to a degree. I just dont understand why a person would be more worried about their safety because they are on the internet than they would be when anyplace else. When you meet a stranger do you refuse to tell them your last name on the chance that they may be a whacko and look you up in the phone book? I am aware of the dangers that are around, I have a BS in Criminology, was a probation officer, and also a case worker in an emergency shelter. I have worked with most every kind of whacko there is. There are odd people everywhere. I am just confused as to why people consider the internet any more dangerous than everyday life at home giving their check with their name, address, work phone, drivers licence #, sometimes even social security number. Sometimes I think people attract what they are most afraid of. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 16:03:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:31:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Carol Swann , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NG will collect Meyers Briggs Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.11526.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Carol Swann >I'd be willing to collect the Meyers Briggs personality types for any bungi members that wish to send them to me and will report back to the group on= trends.< OK. Took the test. Turns out I'm Artisan:SP Operator: ISTP Scored 10 out of 10 on tough mindedness. Going back to chewing on nails now. Had a great laugh reading about my personality type, titled "Portrait of the Crafter". Fits me to my proverbial "T". I actually took the test while practicing out perfecting my cutting skills (still working on eliminating the grinding step in my experiments....getting damn close too!). Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 16:04:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:17:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.131515.0> Precedence: bulk Steve, All my promotional materials have my name, business address, and phone numbers so feel free to post all of the above on your list. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 16:23:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:54:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:53:58 -0800 Message-ID: <199903092253.OAA17406@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Steve, > >I do think it's important that everyone realize that if you use your >first and last name, omitting your phone number, street address >and even your city of residence is futile in protecting your privacy. >Anyone on the net can pull up your phone no., address, and even >a map of how to get to your house. Just depending on how common >your name is they may not even need to know the city or state. > >Steve, as an example, without even entering your state all I had to >do was eliminate 2 other Steve Wernecke's to pull up your street >address, phone number, and a map of how to get to your house. I think the best thing to do for privacy is to have the phone company eliminate your street address from the directory. This is possible and doable. Since I operate a HBB, I want to know who is showing up at my door and when, therefore I set it up this way. People wanting to have me design a window have to phone first for an appointment...that way I know they're coming and am not designing in my jammies at 11 am or something. Cuts down on the junk mail too. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 16:50:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:27:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Shirley's List" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG and of very ninor interest Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:21:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.72133.0> Precedence: bulk Using Scrap Foil For Hobby, Pastime and Profit A very interesting little practised craft, is creating effects with scrap foil. It is a cheap medium to work with, supplies being obtained freely from the wrappers of sweets, chocolates, biscuits, cigarettes, and other articles. If one prefers to use new foil, it may be obtained quite cheaply, and there is not waste at all. Pictures of your own design, calendars, trays, advertising signs and firescreens are but a few of the articles that can be made in a wide range of patterns and colors. Materials required are few, and consist of a piece of glass, the size of the article being made, cardboard, Indian ink, photographic paste, and passe partout binding. As an example, let us begin with a colorful picture of a basket of flowers, selected from a glossy magazine. Most pictures are suitable for this type of work, but those with small details should be avoided. Transfer the main outlines of the design on a piece of tracing paper, then place the blank side of the paper against the piece of glass; back it with cardboard, and secure the whole with elastic bands or paper clips to prevent movement. The design should now be seen reversed, as in a mirror. Thoroughly clean the front of the glass to remove any fingerprints of greasy patches. With Indian ink, black out all of the background, leaving the parts that will show the foil clear. When thoroughly dry, apply a second coat of ink. After allowing that coat to dry, the paper and card may be removed. Cut the foil roughly to the shapes required, and using photographic paste, place the pieces in their respective positions on the inked side of the glass, and smooth the foil gently. If the foil slightly overlaps the ink, it does not matter; it will not show. Build the picture up from the center to the outside, and finish one color before starting on the next. Cover the finished work with paper, and smooth gently but thoroughly all over to ensure that every part is firmly fixed. When dry, coat with clear varnish, and leave to set. Place the backing cardboard into position again, not forgetting to fix any hangers if they are required, and then bind the edges with passe partout. Even the smallest piece of foil left over will have a future use, and every bit however small, should b e saved. In the case of buildings, remember that light windows should be shown in silver or gold foil, an skies should of course be blue, grass green, etc. PLEASE DO NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS! bOB Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 17:13:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:34:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I give in Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:35:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.13353.0> References: <<199903092026.OAA31268@cts.ctsserver.com>> Precedence: bulk Jennifer S. Geldard wrote: > > Finally took the test... I'm an INFP. > Is that the one that's supposed to be so rare, but a lot of glass people > are so far? > > -Jenny > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i dunno, they put me at a Inspector ISIJ - and a Gaurdian SJ so basically i could be either mother teresa or the queen of england. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 17:15:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:45:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Away Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:45:29 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I will be away starting Wed. am until Sun pm. We're off to Hawaii!! I'll probably check email periodically,....maybe,..:^) -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 17:51:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:45:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Tim Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:44:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.124435.0> References: <<1999Mar9.34024.0>> Precedence: bulk > Wonderful for you! > > I find selling myself the absolute hardest thing about trying to support > myself with my craft. I find cold calling so tough I will do literally > anything to avoid it. It is wonderful you were able to do it. Tomorrow is the first of the appointments I have made. It is a very small shop in a very exclusive, expensive shopping center here. She asked why I chose her shop, and if I had ever been in it. Luckily, I have shopped her store, I know the kinds of things she carries, and I know alot more about her (shops history and her personal life) than she knows about me! I told her I chose her shop because she carries really cool and different stuff! And that describes my *stuff*! She loved it! "Great, I'd love to see it!" she said. "Whew" I thought! A couple of the places I have appointments with are large enough that they have "buyers". For some reason, they arent as much of a threat to me. It's just their job, not their life. I visited your website, Tim. You would be a major threat! lol..such beautiful work I saw there. I tell you guys all about this stuff I am doing... But it is much scarier to me to show you my work than it is some buyer or shop owner. Your rejection of my work would crush me. I am not trying to sell my work because it is sooo good, (it's good for what it is) but because I need the money, and it is one way to go about it. If someone orders something, it is already paid for....so I have the excuse to make it. Without selling, I cant make as much as I can, as fast as I can, and that just stops my growth and progress....unless I am continually working on improving, especially feeling like I have to please a customer (similar to working for a grade) then I cant afford to do it. Stained glass is not a *hobby* I can afford! I have to sell what I make to continue! Sorry so wordy. (someday I pray to be concise) T Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 18:14:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:50:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Tim Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:53:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.125329.0> References: <<1999Mar9.42547.0>> Precedence: bulk I honestly do understand about the overhead etc...that the retailer is having to carry. At this point in time I would rather pay a percentage to a retailer than travel costs, costs to my family, etc...in order to do shows. I just wish *I* could get those prices. Not only do I hope they can sell my *stuff* but, I intend to learn something from these retailers as well. Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5F.9317CB00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 18:51:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:55:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Introducing Myself and Thanks Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:48:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990309194838.0068a910@scci.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm the one who wrote in with the light box question, and by the way thanks a bunch for all of the responses! There were quite a few things I hadn't thought about and I will send questions with more specifics next time, but anyway, here's a little bio info. I started working in stained glass 2 years ago. I was hooked immediately. By day I am a programmer and by evenings and weekends I'm in glass heaven. Oh yeah...I took that test you guys keep talking about and was an Artisan ESFP so I guess I'll have to scale back on the programming and do more glass. I have been lucky so far about selling the few things I do turn out. (But I haven't worked up the courage to call people!) I was able to get my things in a antique store (sold on consignment) and I have been getting some leads on larger projects based on my exposure there. There's where my light box question came in. I was working on the estimate for my first large project and I will need to have a light box made to be hung with the panel I am making (if I win the project). However, I have not added a light box to my tools yet so all the advice, whether it applied to a light box for working or a permenant frame, was greatly appreciated. Um... I am in sunny Florida and I am enjoying this list group very much. Thanks, Melissa Hall ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 19:12:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:38:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I give in Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:39:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.133910.0> References: <<1999Mar9.13353.0>> Precedence: bulk > i dunno, they put me at a Inspector ISIJ - and a Gaurdian SJ so > basically i could be either mother teresa or the queen of england. > > ---Mike Savad >From what I have seen of your glass work, that may well be. Looks to me like you are probably capable of an awful lot, Mike. The projects you do show you to have a tremendous amount of patience, and determination. You obviously have perserverance and talent. Of course, unless you're really into dressing up, I think the Queen of England is taken. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 19:18:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I give in Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:47:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.154742.0> References: <<36E5CD3E.6E77@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > > i dunno, they put me at a Inspector ISIJ - and a Gaurdian SJ so > > basically i could be either mother teresa or the queen of england. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > >From what I have seen of your glass work, that may well be. Looks to me > like you are probably capable of an awful lot, Mike. > > The projects you do show you to have a tremendous amount of patience, > and determination. You obviously have perserverance and talent. > > Of course, unless you're really into dressing up, I think the Queen of > England is taken. > > T Suz > -- > "Winning isn't always finishing first. > Sometimes winning is just finishing." > Manuel Diotte darn, and i was getting used to people calling me Queen Mike... well maybe it does'nt really have the exact ring to it that i wanted. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 19:57:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:32:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: a little more.......... Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:32:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.103249.0> Precedence: bulk Our local phonebook (Lincoln county) has a REVERSE directory............as well as the usual one. most cases a search engine will find who what where and so on. The ONLY thing so far I have found that was "sensitive" and not available on the WWW for a while was a country wide reverse directory. Imagine that, something the www found may invade privacy! I have a url which has all my bona-fides. Caller ID and so on for phone users also makes a lot of info easier to get. If I get a repeat "wrong number call" I ask what number they were trying to call, I write down the number they were trying to get, and look it up in the reverse directory. Also caller ID does indeed show who who has been calling. By-the-by, I have not yet come to grips with an answering machine! About a year ago rotary dial phone (pulse) was no longer being provided, and I had to give up my antique phones. Privacy seems to be an illusion....better make up a whopper, change it often, and in general just confuse the whole story. It is interesting what (in a small town) gets back to me! Eccentric....SURE! A character, yep! Weird...who is to say, do I care?????yes, but not much. ANY time any of you are in downtown WALDPORT, stop in. Most stores and places know the glass guy. later, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 20:15:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:03:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sky City Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:58:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.165843.0> Precedence: bulk for anyone who is following along, Sky City has a new sections done... check it out. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 20:30:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:02:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Karen K." , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Personality Test Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:07:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.1673.0> Precedence: bulk Karen, Which one is the long version? The test I took only had aboutr 50 statements. Maybe I should take the long one. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Karen K. To: Bungi List Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 2:01 PM Subject: NG Personality Test >First I did the short version, result was Rational NT, INTJ. >Next I did the long version, result was Guardian SJ, ESFJ. > >I guess this means I have a split personality! > >Karen....virgo > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 20:35:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:06:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Jennifer S. Geldard" <"jenny"@glassgirl.com>, Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I give in Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:48:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.10487.0> Precedence: bulk INFP and INTP are the rarest in the general population - both less than 1%. More than 3/4 of the general population are "E"s (Extroverted). Other than that, I do not remember the percentages. -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer S. Geldard <"jenny"@glassgirl.com> To: Glass List Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 3:45 PM Subject: I give in >Finally took the test... I'm an INFP. >Is that the one that's supposed to be so rare, but a lot of glass people >are so far? > >-Jenny > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 20:50:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:16:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Introducing Myself and Thanks Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:14:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.11149.0> Precedence: bulk I agree with doing more glass! But I would also like to note computer programming is a modern craft form in a sense. They don't call many parts of it "architecture" without good cause. I find the creative aspects, the structural forms, and yes even the aesthetics attract an unusual number of artistic types to computer programming. I find the lack of any tactile result very hard to take in my computer programming though. I go crazy if I don't also create things with my hands - not just my brain. -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Introducing Myself and Thanks ... > Oh yeah...I took that test you guys keep talking about and was an Artisan >ESFP so I guess I'll have to scale back on the programming and do more >glass ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 20:53:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:09:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: I give in Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:12:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.181216.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01BE6A82.4629F480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>darn, and i was getting used to people calling me Queen Mike... well >>>maybe it does'nt really have the exact ring to it that i wanted. What would the aliens do with the Queen of England anyway? Copy her = hats? (BEG) Soraya ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01BE6A82.4629F480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01BE6A82.4629F480-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 21:21:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:36:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: esavad@home.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I give in, yeah, ng again Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:33:10 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.33310.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/9/99 8:18:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, esavad@home.net writes: > i could be either mother teresa or the queen of england. > Hey Mike, I was told I was not Mother Teresa, (don't ever trust physics) so guess the opening is still available. IA (assuming the rest of the intp's are still thinking about this issue) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 21:32:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:52:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: I give in Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:52:03 -0800 Message-ID: <199903100452.UAA00342@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Of course, unless you're really into dressing up, I think the Queen of >England is taken.\ Not thinking of Patrick, are you? Actually when I read that, I rather thought the Queen of England would make a nice complement to Patrick in his tutu! Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 21:39:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:19:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.171732.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Tim- When we did shows at our gallery to promote artists' work, we = did a completely knew installation every six weeks that cost us at barebones minimum $500 US for the reception, advertisement, and postcard mailing. That's $500 out-of-pocket. Is it any wonder I didn't show artists whose attitude was, "Oh, I don't care if it sells = or not." Honey, I DO care if it sells 'cause I'm picking up the tab here! And we only charged 30% commission, too. Nowadays, I don't show my work in another gallery unless they're taking at least 40% because then I know they may survive more than a few months! All IMPO of course. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 21:44:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:59:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Fw: NG Personality Test Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.185844.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Karen K. To: Jak N Wolfy Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:56 PM Subject: Re: NG Personality Test >The short one was in two parts with kind a multiple rating (most to >least) questions in the first part. Found it on the same page that was >posted to bungi. > >Karen > > >>Karen, >> >>Which one is the long version? The test I took only had aboutr 50 >>statements. Maybe I should take the long one. >> >>Jackie >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Karen K. >>To: Bungi List >>Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 2:01 PM >>Subject: NG Personality Test >> >> >>>First I did the short version, result was Rational NT, INTJ. >>>Next I did the long version, result was Guardian SJ, ESFJ. >>> >>>I guess this means I have a split personality! >>> >>>Karen....virgo >>> >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 22:35:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:02:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I give in Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:01:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.18111.0> Precedence: bulk We are not amuse ( said with our noses in the air). Careful "The Brit Chick" will be after everyone on this thread. LOL -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:40 PM Subject: Re: I give in > >>Of course, unless you're really into dressing up, I think the Queen of >>England is taken.\ > >Not thinking of Patrick, are you? >Actually when I read that, I rather thought the Queen of England would make >a nice complement to Patrick in his tutu! > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >http://come.to/The_E-Tour > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 9 22:46:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:02:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:05:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar9.18538.0> Precedence: bulk >What would the aliens do with the Queen of England anyway? Copy her = >hats? (BEG) My theory here, and this is ONLY theory, is that the aliens probably aren't after the royal hat collection, but the regal wave. I believe that the cupped hand, pointed skyward, and gingerly twisted is actually an intergalactic insult roughly akin to questioning an alien's ancestry. (shades of Douglas Adams here) If you ask me... the queens been begging for it. No doubt they have come to remove the offending appendage, and put an end to a lifetime of matriarchal insults. The hats are just icing on the cake. Now you SEE?!!?... THIS is what happens when you get me pondering aliens and queens, two hours after my bedtime!! How ignominious! Now... I believe it's probably time for my meds, (and not a moment too soon!!). Nurse Ratchet has been looking for me. Blake :-) [Not intended as an insult to any of our British bungiians. For Novelty Use Only. Not intended for use as a contraceptive device. Void Where Prohibited by Law. Kids Don't Try This At Home!] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 00:43:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:02:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Introducing Myself and Thanks Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:00:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990310000003.00960e60@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar9.11149.0>> Precedence: bulk At 07:14 PM 3/9/99 -0800, Tim Atwood wrote: > >I find the lack of any tactile result very hard to take in my computer >programming though. I go crazy if I don't also create things with my >hands - not just my brain. > You must not bang your head on the keyboard, desk, etc. as much as I do ;-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 02:39:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:36:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: gjr@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Away Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:34:43 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.93443.0> Precedence: bulk Glenna, Have a wonderful time in Hawaii!!! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 04:22:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:36:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: gjr@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Away Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:34:43 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.93443.0> Precedence: bulk Glenna, Have a wonderful time in Hawaii!!! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 04:41:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:55:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I give in Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:41:58 +0000 Message-ID: <199903101155.LAA31114@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, It's not just the hat and the wave, but actually the handbags that does it..... suitable for keeping tu-tus in??? As regards Patrick, let's not forget the Queen's CORGIs!!!! They are quite happy to devour left-overs..... like Patrick for instance!! E 'n T in UK (the latter of whom, wouldn't mind a corgi now and then) > > >Of course, unless you're really into dressing up, I think the Queen of > >England is taken.\ ....to which Carol S. replied: > Not thinking of Patrick, are you? > Actually when I read that, I rather thought the Queen of England would make > a nice complement to Patrick in his tutu! > check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: > http://come.to/The_E-Tour > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 05:03:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:01:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio #93 Alan Terry Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:59:41 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.115941.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Alan, What part of Philadelphia are you from? I am from Philadelphia also. You may wish to answer off of bungi. Sincerely, Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 06:48:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 05:47:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: Tim Atwood Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Introducing Myself and Thanks Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:58:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar10.35856.0> References: <<1999Mar9.11149.0>> Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Tim Atwood wrote: > > I find the lack of any tactile result very hard to take in my computer > programming though. I go crazy if I don't also create things with my > hands - not just my brain. > I find producing a computer program very much like producing a piece of stained glass or a piece of woodworking. After completing a program I usually sit and admire it. I find this more the case when writing interactive code as opposed to some batch process. Having written it I know all its nuances and intricacy. I get the same sense of accomplishment as producing something with my hands. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 07:52:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:44:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nancyclayb From: Nancy Bean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cayman Site Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:47:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.34757.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. Someone recently sent a site to look at that had three panels of underwater scenes (Cayman ? site). In my hurry to delete all the "junk," I eliminated that one by mistake. It was beautiful work. Whoever sent it, would you please send it to me again. I looked in the archives and couldn't find it. Thanks, sorry for any trouble. Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 08:26:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:43:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:42:44 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.154244.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/10/99 1:49:02 AM, gecko@ipa.net wrote: >How ignominious! What, Toby got *your* gnomon too? Sparks (up *way* too early this morning.......) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 08:48:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: soraya@cros.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: I give in Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:42:47 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.154247.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/9/99 11:54:46 PM, soraya@cros.net wrote: >What would the aliens do with the Queen of England anyway? Copy her >hats? (BEG) No, they'd probably just want to steal one so they could fly home in it and teach their fellow aliens all about stained glass......... Sparks (not a hat person in general, but the old girl *does* have some strange ones!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 08:59:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:19:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Any other INFJ's??? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:19:56 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.161956.0> Precedence: bulk It looks like Ghandi and I are alone here..:( Any other INFJ's? Daniel in Oregon -- ---Cogito ergo spud........I think therefore I yam.--- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 09:13:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:06:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cleaning very old stained glass Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:05:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar10.0540.0> Precedence: bulk My best friend's home was built in the 1860's, and she has a many stained glass windows, panels and chandeliers. I gave her an Inland Quickie Cleaner to see if she could remove the paint on her pocket doors, and she found that it actually removed the grime from the glass also, if careful. Since these doors are 10 feet tall, the upper portions of the craquel glass has probably not been cleaned in MANY years and is blackened somewhat from coal fires years ago in her Victorian home. Any hints, tips, as to how to clean these safely? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 09:30:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:45:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Glass Sites I Found Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:42:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.04235.0> Precedence: bulk >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Campbell >To: 'glass@bungi.com' >Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 6:03 AM >Subject: Glass Sites I Found > > >>Hey guys, >> >>These are some sites I found, surfing. All are glass related. My >favorite >>is: http://www.stainedartglass.com/cayman.html. I just had to >print that >>one out in full color. Check out the jellyfish that look etched >and the >>little fish in the background in the center panel. This has got >to be the >>most colorful panel I have ever seen. >> >>This site http://novaclassique.com/bentglass.htm has a nifty >bathroom sink >>- all glass. >> >>And this site has three dimensional glass >http://www.ultraglas.com/. Didn't >>see any prices but it's fun to look at. >> >> >>Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 09:58:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:58:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Glass@Bungi.com" Subject: Fw: Forwarded to you from Carol Swann Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:15:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.01520.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the inspiring and welcoming words. That cut's healed and I'm finishing an 8 sided lamp for my sister. (For some reason only my brother's glass made me bleed! hummm...) Also, true to your words, when I first started glass again (around December 1998) I too questioned the compatability of glass and guitar! Man my fingers hurt! But, for the moment I'm doing both. (Hope I never have to choose between them - ugh) (Like your Dad I still play classical - my roots - and the demand on fingers is awesome!) Thanks again, Alan Los Angeles -----Original Message----- From: pkelly To: Alan Terry Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 8:08 PM Subject: Forwarded to you from Carol Swann >Alan, > >Carol Swann asked me to forward this to you. > > > > >Patrick...please forward on to Alan > >Alan...a cut you say...welcome to the land of the initiated glass artist! >Those fine little shards are the worst. I've gotta wonder though how the >jazz guitar strings and the cuts are going to get along...my dad plays >serious classical guitar and he's always fussing about his fingers. > >Welcome to bungi. > > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >http://come.to/The_E-Tour > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 10:03:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:27:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: Pawel Karaszkiewicz To: "'barbara elmore'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: ODP: Cleaning very old stained glass Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:26:14 +-100 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.172614.0> Precedence: bulk What Inland Quickie Cleaner is? What is its formula, I mean. Can be = roughly. Pawel=20 ---------- Od: barbara elmore Wys=B3ano: 10 marca 1999 09:06 Do: glass@bungi.com Temat: Cleaning very old stained glass My best friend's home was built in the 1860's, and she has a many stained glass windows, panels and chandeliers. I gave her an Inland Quickie Cleaner to see if she could remove the paint on her pocket doors, and she found that it actually removed the grime from the glass also, if careful. Since these doors are 10 feet tall, the upper portions of the craquel glass has probably not been cleaned in MANY years and is blackened somewhat from coal fires years ago in her Victorian home. Any hints, tips, as to how to clean these safely? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 11:06:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:55:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: the infp and intp percent of the population (ng, the glass is gathering dust) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:54:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.17544.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/9/99 11:37:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, atwoods@aisl.bc.ca writes: > INFP and INTP are the rarest in the general population - both less than 1%. I could not verify this 'cause the Emory Univ. www page I wanted was unavailable (the wonders of the www) but if I recall correctly most computer hackers are intj's followed by intp's.........so.........ummm....does this clear anything up??? Oh well, as I say, "I think, therefore you are" IA (who used to want to be a hacker when she grew up, still waiting to grow up) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 11:31:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:31:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:27:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.18274.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/9/99 3:45:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, atwoods@aisl.bc.ca writes: << Adriana's estimates show we are currently earning about $1 to $2 an hour for our time. Admittedly we are building more than this in capital investment in the gallery which we can take out when we sell it. But as far as take home pay this is about it. >> You have made the case as to why the Internet will continue to erode traditional retail outlets - over time. There an incredible industrial restructuring occuring. As with many things, the social and cultural implications will lag, e.g. "I like to shop", "I like to go to the mall etc. Better prices, and sometimes better service will cause more and more sales to migrate to this channel. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 12:07:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:41:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:37:45 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.183745.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/9/99 4:02:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: << check with their name, address, work phone, drivers licence #, sometimes even social security number. >> I think you need to talk with someone that has had their identity stolen. E.g. how would you like a criminal record, a destroyed credit situation, hundreds of thousands of debts. This is a big problem in our society. For example: it's relatively easy for an imposter to go out and a take a loan out against your house. Granted this can happen many ways - by going thru someone's garbage to capture their identity. (Buy a shredder) What's different about the net is: one the info is out there, it stays there and we're talking accessible by millions of people. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 12:17:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:50:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: gecko@ipa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:48:01 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.18481.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/9/99 10:49:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, gecko@ipa.net writes: << My theory here, and this is ONLY theory, is that the aliens probably aren't after the royal hat collection, but the regal wave. >> Are you kidding? The royal family are aliens... the humanoids were replaced hundreds of years ago. Oliver Cromwell knew this. That's why they dug him up and put his head on a spike. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 12:34:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:14:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:12:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.3124.0> Precedence: bulk I agree the Internet will change things. However, there will always be a place for galleries or shops that people want to go to personally. This is especially true in a tourist destination such as the British Columbia west coast. But of course the 'net is becoming important to market such places. The Holtenwood name is currently in the process of domain name registration. In a couple of months both the gallery and the glass / woodworking studio should be up as holtenwood.bc.ca (if everything goes right). It looks like it is now time to take this step. Oh, and perhaps I should be a little more honest in full disclosure here. The $1 per hour was the first year of business. The $2 was the second year. We expect to be able to take home more per hour this year since much of the capital expenses and the very time intensive initial set-up of a gallery are out of the way now. But then again, the gallery needs a new coat of paint and a new roof. Although the landlord will do most of this, we will probably kick in some extra to make sure it is done "right". And then there's the floor of one room that needs to be stripped down to the original hardwood flooring. Oh and the mortar is rotting out of the 90 year old stone mantle fireplace. Oh and there is that display case with the cracked glass on the side. Oh and... Just a hint to you all. Don't open a retail store unless you are really sure it is what you want to do. I love the gallery, but it is one heck of a lot of work especially in the first years. If all you need is some extra cash flow, you are probably better off flipping burgers that the local Rotten Ronny's. -----Original Message----- From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Cc: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Selling myself.... >In a message dated 3/9/99 3:45:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, atwoods@aisl.bc.ca >writes: > ><< Adriana's estimates show we are currently earning about $1 to $2 an hour >for > our time. Admittedly we are building more than this in capital investment > in the gallery which we can take out when we sell it. But as far as take > home pay this is about it. >> > >You have made the case as to why the Internet will continue to erode >traditional retail outlets - over time. There an incredible industrial >restructuring occuring. As with many things, the social and cultural >implications will lag, e.g. "I like to shop", "I like to go to the mall etc. > >Better prices, and sometimes better service will cause more and more sales to >migrate to this channel. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 13:10:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:54:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:01:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199903101953.OAA14693@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > You have made the case as to why the Internet will continue to erode > traditional retail outlets - over time. On the other hand, I can't read a book in bed if it's on the monitor and would prefer in any case the tactile experience of a printed book to the electronic version ... just to cite one instance of what won't work on the web for diehard readers like myself. I can't imagine that serious collectors are going to browse galleries' sites except to acquaint themselves with what's available from each one. To make the buying decision *must come after a first-hand experience with the object ... although the web channel certainly makes any gallery (and every gallery) equal in the sense that Tim's gallery is a close as the one down the block. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 13:12:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:56:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cayman Site Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:22:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.92245.0> Precedence: bulk You canfind it at Gilbertson's Stained Glass at http://www.stainedartglass.com/index.html Much of their work is simply awesome......I have mentioned this work on several non-glass boards and everyone was simply stunned with it's beauty. Got many of the standard comment..."It doens't look like a church window!" Until the snow melts, Take Care, Soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya may reached at... soraya@cros.net ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya's Witches' Thicket at.... http://www.cros.net/soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Do not attempt to do a thing unless you are sure of yourself; but do not relinquish it simply because someone else is not sure of you." -Stewart E. White ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 13:31:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:03:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Selling myself... Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:08:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.8847.0> Precedence: bulk Marketing your own work sucks! More details later. Arent I articulate today? Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 13:49:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:37:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Wed Mar 10 12:37:33 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.101533.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6B33.FBE07D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Are you kidding? The royal family are aliens... the humanoids were replaced hundreds of years ago. That would explain the blue blood!!! Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6B33.FBE07D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen!

Are you kidding?  The royal family are aliens... the humanoids were replaced
hundreds of years ago. 

That would explain the blue blood!!!

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6B33.FBE07D10-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 14:01:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:44:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: barbara elmore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cleaning very old stained glass Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:42:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.104234.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by barbara elmore >Any hints, tips, as to how to clean these safely? < We use a product called Orvus which can be purchased at livestock supply stores as it's also used as horse shampoo. It is super concentrated and must be judiciously rinsed off (try not to get the lead matrix wet). = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 14:11:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:20:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:26:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199903102018.PAA15212@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > What's different about the net is: one the info is out there, it > stays there and we're talking accessible by millions of people. Too late. It was too late years ago, I'm afraid. Privacy is a thing of the past and to try to protect it now is a waste of effort. Try this: apply for a loan you know will be turned down. It'll be fun. Ask for $75 million. You'll get a nice form letter that, in addition to saying "no" quite clearly, will offer you free credit reports from a number of agencies. Get those reports and find out just how much is known about you. A lot, as it turns out. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 14:25:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:57:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: All you crafters Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.105540.0> Precedence: bulk Just my opinion - Just saw a promo of some stained glass weather vanes and I think they're kinda cool. There's a pattern book called Wind Watchers and a weather vane hardware kit that Glass Crafters is selling for $18.95. I predict this could be a big seller at craft fairs this summer. On the flip side, those flesh-colored enchanted fairies are the cheesiest things I've ever seen. If you want anyone to think you have a shred of good taste, don't be seen near them! IMPO. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 14:41:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:16:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: JJKIRBY@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:03:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.8315.0> References: <<1999Mar10.183745.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I think much of this information is easily available if you look hard enough. We were the victim of a situation that an employee of ours perpetrated. He leased a car using my husband's name, etc. All of our personal information was either in the computer or on paper. We only found out about it when we got a notice from the State informing us that our insurance had been canceled on a particular car since we hadn't paid the premium. This was a mess to clear up with all concerned and since my husband wouldn't prosecute, ( the dummy), but just fired the employee, I'm sure he went on to other scams. This was almost l0 years ago and computers weren't as sophisticated as they are now, nor was there as much personal information available. Carol T JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/9/99 4:02:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, > gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > > << check with their name, address, work phone, drivers licence #, sometimes > even social security number. >> > > I think you need to talk with someone that has had their identity stolen. > E.g. how would you like a criminal record, a destroyed credit situation, > hundreds of thousands of debts. This is a big problem in our society. > > For example: it's relatively easy for an imposter to go out and a take a > loan out against your house. > > Granted this can happen many ways - by going thru someone's garbage > to capture their identity. (Buy a shredder) > > What's different about the net is: one the info is out there, it stays there > and > we're talking accessible by millions of people. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 15:06:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:42:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Selling myself.... Date: Wed Mar 10 13:41:00 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.11190.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6B3C.BE721F34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > You have made the case as to why the Internet will continue to erode > traditional retail outlets - over time. On the other hand, I can't read a book in bed if it's on the monitor and would prefer in any case the tactile experience of a printed book to the electronic version ... just to cite one instance of what won't work on the web for diehard readers like myself. You also have people like me who want to examine what they are buying before hand. Standard stuff like foil and solder I'll mail(or E-mail)order and not worry about too much. Things like a ring saw or other higher end equipment I want to examine before I spend money. There is also the time element. Frequently I need it now, not in 5 to 10 working days. Delivery time has improved but there are still places that have a 4 to 6 week delivery. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6B3C.BE721F34 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Selling myself....

> You have made the case as to why the Internet = will continue to erode
> traditional retail outlets - over time.

On the other hand, I can't read a book in bed if it's = on the monitor
and would prefer in any case the tactile experience = of a printed book
to the electronic version ... just to cite one = instance of what won't
work on the web for diehard readers like = myself.
 

You also have people like me who want to examine what = they are buying before hand.
Standard stuff like foil and solder I'll mail(or = E-mail)order and not worry about too much.
Things like a ring saw or other higher end equipment = I want to examine before I spend money.

There is also the time element. Frequently I need it = now, not in 5 to 10 working days. Delivery time has improved but there = are still places that have a 4 to 6 week delivery.

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6B3C.BE721F34-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 15:13:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:49:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:46:36 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199903102148.PAA10285@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk snip>>I think you need to talk with someone that has had their identity stolen< Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:54:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Thanks for the Patterns Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:51:12 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.215112.0> Precedence: bulk Nadine, Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou! The Shalom pattern is Perfect!!! Of course I'll have to make one for myself first to make sure it comes out okay:-) (Kind of like baking a new dessert right?) The other panels are beautiful too. I will definately be making the 3-D Star of David. I loved that one too. I have a stand that I am currently hanging a 3-D Valentine's Heart, I guess it's calling for a Jewish Star now. I asked my local supplier for the Judy Miller book and they didn't have it. But I really don't need it anymore. Thankyou to everyone who offered to send me the books and/or patterns. It's things like this that make me proud to be a bungian even though I don't post often I am hooked and read daily. Nadine thankyou again. If there is anything I can ever do for you or anyone else please holler. I hadn't thought about it ahead of time until you sent me the picture and pattern, but I have a scanner and do scan my stained glass (when it's small enough). I realize that with a Juno account I can't receive JPEG or GIF files, but I have an AOL account too and can receive them at MsChatee@aol.com. I only use Juno for Bungi since I don't want to tie up the phone line for so long while I read all my bungi mail. So if anyone else has any pictures of Jewish themed projects I would love to see them for inspiration. THanks again to Nadine and everyone else. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 15:42:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:36:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: I give in Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:32:21 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.223221.0> Precedence: bulk I couldn't stand it I had to take the test. I came out a Guardian SJ and Provider ESFJ. I'm not sure what that means but I certainly know my screenname is appropriate. Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 16:11:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:45:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass glob lampshade Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:41:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar10.124136.0> Precedence: bulk I am the proud owner of several lifetimes supply of glass globs (small and large). I had the weird idea of making a lampshade entirely (or mostly) from the smaller ones. Now, I must confess, that I have made some of the most awful-looking glass creations that have ever been perpetrated on mankind, so I am a bit concerned that this project might not turn out as I envision it. My question: Have any of you built such a lampshade? How did it turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into the design? Thanks, Russ Hilleke in beautiful, sunny and historic Charleston, South Carolina ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 16:22:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:48:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG application for 75,000,000.00 loan (is this the easy payment plan?) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:42:20 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar10.224220.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/10/99 5:13:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: > will offer you free credit reports from a number of agencies Hey Albert, Got 75,000,000.00 I can borrow?? Actually, while it does sound like a reasonable thing to do, I have one concern. Every time you apply for credit and it is denied (or not denied, but I have no idea how I am gonna pay back 75 million) it goes into their "secret" files. When you really do want a loan this rejection will show on your records and denied credit is a major faux pas. If I'm not mistaken, credit agencies have to give you a copy of your credit report without charge. But your way does sound fun, I pity the poor loan officer you hit with that request. I find misspelling or changing my name on registrations, orderforms, invoices, other nonconsequential things brings an interesting result. You can track who got your name from who. My first name was misspelled "Payt" by someone back in the 80's and I still get junk mail with that spelling. Wow, when did I get so serious? Take care, IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 16:26:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:02:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.13231.0> References: <<1999Mar9.18538.0>> Precedence: bulk Emeraldine here, dearest friends. Itinerant vitreous workers have a myth regarding the Royal Wave (and as you know, most of our myths are true.) Back in the long ago, when a cathedral was finished, the nearest Royals would visit as dawn broke. They would raise their hands, cupped to the sun, signifying the gathering of the light. They would then wave their hands apart, spilling the gathered light so that it would shine through the windows. If the timing was just right, the results were magnificent, as the sunlight began to stream through the uppermost stained glass windows. The Royals would then process into the church and stand in the spot with the most reflected light (the architects were extraordinary at making those spots quite prominent), while the Bishop blessed the sanctuary. The Royals would continue to gather and spread the light as the sun brightened, making for a glorious ceremony. Afterwards, during the processional from the church, the vitreous workers would be showered with coins of the shiniest metals, which would reflect the colored light. (Some of those coins, alas, turned out to be base metal with only a plating of the precious stuff....there have always been people who think we charge too much.) Thus the origins of the Royal Wave. I do not claim to understand the genesis of the Royal Hats and Pocketbooks. So I think the aliens may misunderstand. They are being given the gift of light and color. Emeraldine (the ficticious wench who lives in Dorothy's brain - most of the time- but gets loose upon occasion) Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: > ... > > My theory here, and this is ONLY theory, is that the aliens probably aren't > after the royal hat collection, but the regal wave. I believe that the > cupped hand, pointed skyward, and gingerly twisted is actually an > intergalactic insult............ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 17:15:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:12:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Discipline Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:08:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar10.8849.0> References: <<199903082303.SAA13603@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert...I loved your description of going out and getting your own "switch." This is exactly what my two older brothers used to do. Me? I would go out and bring just the right size and as a result suffered much in silence. It took a while to wise up. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 17:39:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:18:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: MsChatee@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I give in Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:24:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.122428.0> References: <<1999Mar10.223221.0>> Precedence: bulk > I couldn't stand it I had to take the test. I came out a Guardian SJ and > Provider ESFJ. I'm not sure what that means but I certainly know my > screenname is appropriate. > > Caren > ---- As it turns out, my daughter didnt change anything.. I took 2 different tests without realising it!... The first one did sound like me to a degree...except for the being Miss super organization. It was a rational field marshall! lol..must be the probation officer in me....believes strongly in right and wrong. The two dont seem to go together to me...but I do see some of both in me. Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 18:05:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:40:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass glob lampshade Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:27:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.142721.0> Precedence: bulk I may be confused, but it seems like one of the previous Delphi catalogs had a picture of one that someone had made. It looked really nice. I made a bowl out of nuggets for my college-aged neice. It was kind of neat. She told me everyone in the dorm loved it. Jerri Subject: glass glob lampshade >I am the proud owner of several lifetimes supply of glass globs (small >and large). I had the weird idea of making a lampshade entirely (or >mostly) from the smaller ones. Now, I must confess, that I have made >some of the most awful-looking glass creations that have ever been >perpetrated on mankind, so I am a bit concerned that this project might >not turn out as I envision it. > >My question: Have any of you built such a lampshade? How did it >turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into >the design? > >Thanks, > >Russ Hilleke >in beautiful, sunny and historic Charleston, South Carolina >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 18:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:57:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Kaye Sodt" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:55:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.8555.0> Precedence: bulk >>While I'm aware that identity stealing exists and can be a horrendous problem, people also die regularly on the roadways. And while I certainly endorse ordinary precautions, I prefer to play the odds and not allow the potential evils of the world to overwhelm my daily life. << Here, here! Seems to be just to much scare stuff coming around these days. Wonder if it is the Y2K thing kicking in early. Of course this not the only list that has that sort of content on a regular basis. I refuse to be cowed out of enjoying life. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 18:27:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:42:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass glob lampshade Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:45:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.124549.0> References: <<1999Mar10.124136.0>> Precedence: bulk > turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into > the design? There is a picture of one in the Delphi 98/99 catalog page 195. Tulsa suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 19:20:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:53:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG Real books!!!!! was Re: Selling myself.... Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:52:07 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar11.1527.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/10/99 4:11:40 PM, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net wrote: >On the other hand, I can't read a book in bed if it's on the monitor Unless you're sufficiently sick and demented to take your laptop to bed with you -- not that I know anyone who does that =8-O >and would prefer in any case the tactile experience of a printed book >to the electronic version ... I agree. Books have gotta feel right and even smell right..... Then there's the eyestrain that starts plaguing people "of a certain age" and makes it pretty hard to stare at a monitor for too long -- especially if "the right distance from your monitor" is too far away to see well without glasses and too close to see well with them (I'm nearsighted and getting more so, *and* have astigmatism, and I'm resisting like crazy the notion of getting bifocals!) If I'm doing research via the net, I usually save the text of a relevant page, dump it into a text processor, and print it out on my Really Junky Printer. That way I can also highlight, take notes, etc. Gotta have my scribble copy! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 19:29:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:54:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:52:03 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar11.1523.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/10/99 3:09:56 PM, JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: >I think you need to talk with someone that has had their identity stolen. Or anything else having to do with their financial health. My other half and I just spent 2 weeks trying to bail an old friend of his out of the slammer. He got busted after someone passed a check on an account he'd closed last spring after the checkbook was stolen. The guy had left his checkbook at home and a so-called "friend" of his housemate got hold of it. Gaaaaaak. We finally got him out on Friday. My sweetie also had his phone card number stolen and didn't know it until Working Assets called him up and asked him, "Did you call Beijing?" After he picked his jaw up off the floor, they cancelled the card *and* all the charges for the calls to Beijing, and immediately issued him a new card. In my bad old banking days, it never ceased to astound me how many people would scratch their PIN numbers into the plastic of their ATM cards...... Sparks (who used to burn all the unused checks whenever I closed an account, distribute the pieces of cut-up credit cards among at least 3 different wastebaskets, etc. Me, paranoid? Naaaaaaaaaah!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 19:53:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:57:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:52:00 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar11.1520.0> Precedence: bulk ............ It's grody to the max!!!!!!!! Or did we just get a bad batch? I'd never used the stuff before until the other day at Christie's place. She'd gotten it because they were out of Fry. In 2 years (using Fry) I've had to take the sal ammoniac to my iron exactly once, when I'd done a repair on something really cruddy. Within 10 minutes of starting to solder with the Canfield 60/40, my iron had built up such a layer of crud that it wouldn't pick up solder, and the sal ammoniac wouldn't even cut through the crud. I finally had to take a knife sharpening stone to the tip of the iron. We both had that problem with it. I tried the stuff again today on a repair (reattaching the top of an antique bent-panel shade frame). It wouldn't stick to the brass at all even after I'd scraped the brass as clean as I could get it; I had to get out the Fry. Canfield 60/40 doesn't seem to flow as smoothly as Fry 60/40; it behaves a lot like Fry 50/50, kind of pasty even as hot as I solder. (I didn't try the Canfield 50/50, so I don't know how that compares.) So -- did we just get a bad batch, or is the stuff kind of strange to work with in general? Anyone else ever had this crudding-up problem with this or any other kind of solder? My enquiring mind wants to know! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 19:54:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:03:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: *trying* to sell myself Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:07:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.14759.0> Precedence: bulk Well....1 outta 3's not bad? I cant believe how much energy has been sucked from me today. Got home to find that my great uncle died this am. Not a fun day. Fighting the tears to be bright eyed and bushy tailed for 2 new appointments tomorrow. This isnt fun. Patrick, remember a while back, you asked did I never sleep? Guess what, it is 8:05pm, and I am ready for bed. That may be a first! Think I will pull out the ole flannel jammers and hit the hay...too bad I have no mashed potatoes and gravy! White zin will have to be my comfort food. ;o) Hoping to have more uplifting news tomorrow! Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 20:23:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:24:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:26:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.142649.0> Precedence: bulk How lovely to meet you Emeraldine. What a beautiful name! I just ADORE alter-ego's, so I'm sure we'll get along famously! Welcome to the Bungi group. Your first post was beautifully described and charming, so I'll look forward to your future escapes! Blake (...practicing his 'light prince' wave, but keeping a wary eye our for aliens...) :-) >Emeraldine here, dearest friends. > >Itinerant vitreous workers have a myth regarding the Royal Wave (and as you >know, most of our myths are true.) > >Back in the long ago, when a cathedral was finished, the nearest Royals would >visit as dawn broke. They would raise their hands, cupped to the sun, >signifying the gathering of the light. They would then wave their hands apart, >spilling the gathered light so that it would shine through the windows. If the >timing was just right, the results were magnificent, as the sunlight began to >stream through the uppermost stained glass windows. The Royals would then >process into the church and stand in the spot with the most reflected light (the >architects were extraordinary at making those spots quite prominent), while the >Bishop blessed the sanctuary. The Royals would continue to gather and spread >the light as the sun brightened, making for a glorious ceremony. Afterwards, >during the processional from the church, the vitreous workers would be showered >with coins of the shiniest metals, which would reflect the colored light. (Some >of those coins, alas, turned out to be base metal with only a plating of the >precious stuff....there have always been people who think we charge too much.) >Thus the origins of the Royal Wave. > >I do not claim to understand the genesis of the Royal Hats and Pocketbooks. > >So I think the aliens may misunderstand. They are being given the gift of light >and color. > >Emeraldine (the ficticious wench who lives in Dorothy's brain - most of the >time- but gets loose upon occasion) > >Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: > >> ... >> >> My theory here, and this is ONLY theory, is that the aliens probably aren't >> after the royal hat collection, but the regal wave. I believe that the >> cupped hand, pointed skyward, and gingerly twisted is actually an >> intergalactic insult............ > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 20:29:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-174828473-172 Subject: Re: All you crafters Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:56:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar10.105657.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-174828473-172 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Dani Greer wrote: On the flip side, those flesh-colored enchanted fairies are the cheesiest things I've ever seen. If you want anyone to think you have a shred of good taste, don't be seen near them! IMPO. ********************************* I've made many of these so called "Cheesy" fairies and everyone i've given them to has been very pleased. And I've even sold quite a few. Sue --WebTV-Mail-174828473-172 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language together. --WebTV-Mail-174828473-172-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 20:36:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:34:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Any other INFJ's??? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:37:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.143722.0> Precedence: bulk >It looks like Ghandi and I are alone here..:( >Any other INFJ's? >Daniel in Oregon Yes! I was labeled as: Idealist: NF ~and~ Counselor: INFJ Idealist Artisan Reserved Scheduler I haven't the foggiest idea what it means, and was pulled away from my computer before I had a chance to study up on it. But I had noticed that I didn't see alot of other INFJ's out there. Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 20:40:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:35:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:HILLEKER@Citadel.edu" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: glass glob lampshade Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:34:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.163429.0> Precedence: bulk I think it would be kinda cool, Russ, but what a pain to foil and solder and, wow, how heavy would that shade be?? Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 20:47:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:36:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NG application for 75,000,000.00 loan (is this the easy payment plan?) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:34:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.163433.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com >credit report without charge.< I think it's now only if you're denied credit and only once a year. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 20:57:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:41:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bob E Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:38:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.163810.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bob E Duchesneau" >I refuse to be cowed out of enjoying life. Bob < I second that motion, Bob! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 21:44:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:06:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199903110400.XAA07216@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/10/99 6:02 PM Family Account shad@mail2.nai.net Blake and Emeraldine, What wonderful imaginations you both have! Have you taken this Meyers-Briggs test yet? I am much curious as to the results. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 21:46:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:53:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG---another test Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.174626.0> Precedence: bulk All you other INFPs (ok, and the rest of you) might enjoy this little test: http://www.pressanykey.com/densa/densa1.html Warning: math is involved Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 22:41:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:52:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Susan Perchelli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: All you crafters Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:55:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.165553.0> References: <<1999Mar10.105657.0>> Precedence: bulk Can someone please direct me to a picture of one of these fairies? Suzanne > On the flip side, those flesh-colored enchanted fairies are the > cheesiest things I've ever seen. If you want anyone to think you have a > shred of good taste, don't be seen near them! IMPO. > ********************************* > I've made many of these so called "Cheesy" fairies and everyone i've > given them to has been very pleased. And I've even sold quite a few. > > Sue > -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 10 23:21:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:23:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: barbaraelmore@yahoo.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cleaning very old stained glass Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:19:54 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar11.51954.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm not sure if this will work on the glass in place( as opposed to immersion / soaking the pieces dissassembled), but after trying everything I coulde think of on 100 yr + glass, I made a solution of a powdered product known as TSP substitute, and it cleaaned all the old discoloration, white hazing, etc, so that the glass looked new. Might be worth a try. Richard Glassics Artglass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 00:18:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:21:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: heesun.com!keane From: "Robert & Jeanne" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glob Lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.20175.0> Precedence: bulk Just got done one the other evening with a couple of our Friday night late night students. We started at about 11 PM and I finished soldering at about 1:30am .........had to break for pizza and Ben & Jerry's Ice cream. The shade was created using the Worden B7 bell shaped mold and looks really neat.....we have received a fair amount of inquiries and are now going to construct another glob lamp using the Odyssey mold for the Woodbine. I used canfield Quick set solder to fill some of the larger holes and even left some open.....also included a nickel 2 pennies and some dichroic scrap I had laying around. The shade does weigh about 2.5 pounds including a solid brass vase cap. As far as foiling the nuggets we would foil about 20 at a time and lightly shake them in a container to burnish the foil in place kinda like one would shake a skillet on the stove). Around the base of the lampshade we reinforced with 18 gauge copper wire. Robert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 02:18:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:26:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: inter-prog.co.uk!alan From: "Alan" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: *trying* to sell myself Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:22:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.82218.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: >I cant believe how much energy has been sucked from me today. Some days are just like that, aren't they? Don't forget that your friends are thinking of you. Alan. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 07:49:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:00:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:45:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199903111058.KAA08265@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hear! Hear! My sentiments exactly! However, I had to laugh the other day. Got a letter saying my house 'n building insurance is up for renewal and would I like to pay by "Direct Debit" (i.e. whereby the insurance co. help themselves out of my bank account every month). Attached to this letter was a 3 page document which amounted to nothing else but a long list of disclaimers about what we Across the Pond call the Millenium Bug (Y2K ??) I guess I just tore it all up and decided to pay by cheque monthly, as I have always done, until WELLLLL after April 2000 No bug is going to get ME!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Bob D. wrote: > Here, here! Seems to be just to much scare stuff coming around > these days. Wonder if it is the Y2K thing kicking in early. Of > course this not the only list that has that sort of content on a > regular basis. > > I refuse to be cowed out of enjoying life. Bob > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 08:10:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:01:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:45:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199903111058.KAA08259@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Aha!!! Emeraldine is back again!! Whooppee!!! Where Emeraldine is, Pierre is not far away!!! That georgeous, hunky, sweaty Pierre, wielding his glass-workers tools, muscles rippling. WOW!! Emeraldine, I hope you have passed on my entreaties for a date with Pierre...? Anyhow, loved your account of The Royal Hand Wave! One of those fake coins must have got stuck in my ear, because I am still as deaf as a post from the travails of winter. Ah, for a warm embrace from Pierre.......! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK in reply to: > Emeraldine here, dearest friends. > > Itinerant vitreous workers have a myth regarding the Royal Wave (and as you > know, most of our myths are true.) > > Back in the long ago, when a cathedral was finished, the nearest Royals would > visit as dawn broke. They would raise their hands, cupped to the sun, > signifying the gathering of the light. They would then wave their hands apart, > spilling the gathered light so that it would shine through the windows. If the > timing was just right, the results were magnificent, as the sunlight began to > stream through the uppermost stained glass windows. The Royals would then > process into the church and stand in the spot with the most reflected light (the > architects were extraordinary at making those spots quite prominent), while the > Bishop blessed the sanctuary. The Royals would continue to gather and spread > the light as the sun brightened, making for a glorious ceremony. Afterwards, > during the processional from the church, the vitreous workers would be showered > with coins of the shiniest metals, which would reflect the colored light. (Some > of those coins, alas, turned out to be base metal with only a plating of the > precious stuff....there have always been people who think we charge too much.) > Thus the origins of the Royal Wave. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 08:34:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:01:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: *trying* to sell myself Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:45:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199903111058.KAA08268@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Aayh, honey, All these things are sent to us to make sure that we don't get tooooo high on our horses.... Keep yerself focussed on the 2 appointments.... that's what your uncle would have wished you to do! In any case, Patrick might even have a tale or two to tell how the Irish celebrate those who have passed away. Very civilized methinks and a very loving way to remember them too. Chin up! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (The latter of whom more hungry now, since he's lost his thick and long winter coat!! ;-> ) P.S. I was interested to note another posting about the pros 'n cons of Cranfield vs Fry's solder in USA. All which I will bear in mind when I come over and arm myself accordingly. Suzanne in Tulsa wrote: > I cant believe how much energy has been sucked from me today. > > Got home to find that my great uncle died this am. Not a fun day. > Fighting the tears to be bright eyed and bushy tailed for 2 new > appointments tomorrow. This isnt fun. > > Patrick, remember a while back, you asked did I never sleep? Guess > what, it is 8:05pm, and I am ready for bed. That may be a first! Think > I will pull out the ole flannel jammers and hit the hay...too bad I have > no mashed potatoes and gravy! White zin will have to be my comfort > food. ;o) > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 08:55:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:02:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I give in Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:45:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199903111058.KAA08256@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Gggrrr! Rampaging buffalos wouldn't / couldn't force me within a 100 miles of those tests!! Any of them!! My warped sense of humour / wickedness would just not be able to resist making a total pig's ear out of them, just to see the raised eyebrows of controlled alarm in the face of the "tester" when he/she evaluates the results..... Naaahhh! Not for me! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Caren wrote: > I couldn't stand it I had to take the test. I came out a Guardian SJ and > Provider ESFJ. I'm not sure what that means but I certainly know my > screenname is appropriate. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 14:32:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:35:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:59:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.25939.0> References: <<1999Mar11.1520.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > ............ It's grody to the max!!!!!!!! Or did we just get a bad batch? > > I'd never used the stuff before until the other day at Christie's place. She'd > gotten it because they were out of Fry. > > In 2 years (using Fry) I've had to take the sal ammoniac to my iron exactly > once, when I'd done a repair on something really cruddy. Within 10 minutes of > starting to solder with the Canfield 60/40, my iron had built up such a layer > of crud that it wouldn't pick up solder, and the sal ammoniac wouldn't even > cut through the crud. I finally had to take a knife sharpening stone to the > tip of the iron. We both had that problem with it. > > I tried the stuff again today on a repair (reattaching the top of an antique > bent-panel shade frame). It wouldn't stick to the brass at all even after I'd > scraped the brass as clean as I could get it; I had to get out the Fry. > > Canfield 60/40 doesn't seem to flow as smoothly as Fry 60/40; it behaves a lot > like Fry 50/50, kind of pasty even as hot as I solder. (I didn't try the > Canfield 50/50, so I don't know how that compares.) > > So -- did we just get a bad batch, or is the stuff kind of strange to work > with in general? Anyone else ever had this crudding-up problem with this or > any other kind of solder? My enquiring mind wants to know! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i never had a huge problem with it. found it pretty pure actually. though i never compared it to fry. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 14:48:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:36:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Dani Greer Subject: Re: Glass question Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:28:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.212842.0> References: <<1999Mar9.94926.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1999Mar9.94926.0@?>, Dani Greer writes >Does anyone have a special trick to keep their cement brushes soft betwee= >n >putty jobs?? > Submerge the brush in water. It drains off quickly, although the wooden parts will rot after a while. Alternatively (I've had to stop this because of fire regulations) leave the brush in white spirit (turpentine?). It will need a little drying out on newspaper, but it works. Lately, though I have just been using the cement brush to deal with the fininshing. The whiting takes up a lot of the cement between the fibres, and the action of the bristles forces most of the cement out from between the fibres, leaving a brush ready to use. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 14:58:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:37:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass glob lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.25646.0> References: <<1999Mar10.124136.0>> Precedence: bulk HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > > I am the proud owner of several lifetimes supply of glass globs (small > and large). I had the weird idea of making a lampshade entirely (or > mostly) from the smaller ones. Now, I must confess, that I have made > some of the most awful-looking glass creations that have ever been > perpetrated on mankind, so I am a bit concerned that this project might > not turn out as I envision it. > > My question: Have any of you built such a lampshade? How did it > turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into > the design? > > Thanks, > > Russ Hilleke > in beautiful, sunny and historic Charleston, South Carolina > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've seen it done. they have their own uniqness, i find it a little ugly. though if you have multiple colors maybe you could make a wavy weave or something. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 15:07:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:43:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass glob lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:23:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.22336.0> References: <<1999Mar10.124136.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Russ, I made a shade out of globbies, and it turned out very pretty. It is the one piece that always gets commented on. I didn't use a pattern. I covered a stainless steel mixing bowl with masking tape so solder would not stick to it. I used the bowl to support the weight of the shade. It is HEAVY. I centered the vase cap and help it in place with tape and then worked my way around in rows of same colors for the top. As I moved down, I made shaped that resemble grapes and such. I tried for pattern effects, but it is so brilliant when lit, you don't really notice them. I used small, medium and large globs. The large ones, evenly spaced around the whole thing, really stand out. I used every color I could get, and tried not to over do any hue in the same location. The bottom is free form. Moves up and down with some hanging down in a somewhat even pattern. Then I solder on the cap, took it off the form, and soldered the inside. It was weak and I had to be careful till I got the inside soldered. The weight of the thing, wanted to crush itself. Good luck! It is worth the effort, but it took a long time. Kathy HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > I am the proud owner of several lifetimes supply of glass globs (small > and large). I had the weird idea of making a lampshade entirely (or > mostly) from the smaller ones. Now, I must confess, that I have made > some of the most awful-looking glass creations that have ever been > perpetrated on mankind, so I am a bit concerned that this project might > not turn out as I envision it. > > My question: Have any of you built such a lampshade? How did it > turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into > the design? > > Thanks, > > Russ Hilleke > in beautiful, sunny and historic Charleston, South Carolina > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 15:28:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:45:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: HILLEKER@citadel.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass glob lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:11:07 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar11.13117.0> Precedence: bulk I have seen these lamps made up, and they can actually be very interesting if you lay the colors out correctly! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass http://www.meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 15:52:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:10:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: glass glob lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:20:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.52052.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:HILLEKER@Citadel.edu >My question: Have any of you built such a lampshade? How did it = turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into = the design?< A friend of mine did just that. She simply foiled the nuggets/blobs first, then soldered them against a lamp cap on a lampshade form, starting soldering from the top down. Turned out lovely! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 15:53:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:50:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:56:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199903112149.QAA05304@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > the question is: "Where would you buy the book?", at the retail > store or at Amazon.com. Both. Either. The end result's the same. I get most of my books by mail order anyway and spend an increasing amount of my cash by internet, whether for artist/office supplies or for leisuretime reading. (Current book: "The Professor and the Madman," the *other side of the story of the creation of the Oxford English Dictionary.) > forty percent is a large amount for any business's cost of sales. Well, as a publisher, I have to expect a 60% cost, so forty sounds good to me. Supermarkets net, as I understand it, less than 4% on sales, but make it up in volume. If any artist or craftsman is charging what he/she needs in terms of replacing materials and reimbursing for time spent, what the retailer charges should be immaterial. And certainly not resented. See Tim's explanation of what's involved, expense-wise and otherwise, in running a gallery. > A serious collector will know an artist's work. They will be able > to see more of it via the web, than at a gallery. I think it's a > definite challenge to the conventional gallery business structure. I can't imagine that every collector will know every artist's work. Every "known" artist, sure, but they're known. Upcoming artists and craftspeople are a whole 'nother ball o' wax. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 15:54:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:11:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: caltel.com!hagler From: hagler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:54:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.23543.0> Organization: My Glass Shop Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 15:57:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:14:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass!! YEEHAA!! Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:18:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.61852.0> Precedence: bulk Well Tulsa Suzanne is grinnin' now! I just met with these two guys that I have a feeling could turn into a long, really fun, productive, and profitable relationship! YES! Something kind of neat, was I knew by his voice, and talking to the owner on the phone that I would like him. When I walked in this morning, I didnt have time to say a word, and he stuck out his hand, and said "Hi, Suzanne". Yep, he was a winner. His partner and I hit it off and spent alot of time together talking about what's hot in decorating right now, etc. Did you know MONKEYS are big, hot sellers????? (Kind of in an Afican motif) He almost had me rolling on the floor. They have a neat gift shop/ flower shop. They do some gorgeous stuff, and alot of custom work. They are enthusiastic about combining our two mediums...WAY COOL! AND...They have a great location, and they are into the marketing end...they *educate* their customers...and they do stuff you wont see elsewhere, and *may not* see there again. So..time for me to be an artist and come up with some ideas...and keep this going. My other morning meeting was with a gal who is interested, but wants me to do something a little different and come back, so that was also positive! Today is a better day! Yesterday drained me and today is energising, funny how that happens, eh? T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:13:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:16:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: *trying* to sell myself Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:42:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.84229.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne >Think I will pull out the ole flannel jammers and hit the hay...too bad I have no mashed potatoes and gravy! White zin will have to be my comfort< It's cream of mushroom soup and grilled cheese sandwiches for me, but always always the flannel jammies! ;-) Hope things pick up for = you.... I know how it feels - my neighbor a block a way was killed in a robbery two days ago and everyone around here is bummed.... it's hard to work when a heavy heart is draggin' at ya. Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:13:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:18:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:25:48 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar11.202548.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/10/99 1:11:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: << On the other hand, I can't read a book in bed if it's on the monitor and would prefer in any case the tactile experience of a printed book >> the question is: "Where would you buy the book?", at the retail store or at Amazon.com. I can't imagine that serious collectors are going to browse galleries' sites except to acquaint themselves with what's available from each one I think the cost dynamics of galleries are quite difficult. As Tim pointed out: they are costly to operate. They also take a big bite from the artist, while some artists might feel this is reasonable, forty percent is a large amount for any business's cost of sales. A serious collector will know an artist's work. They will be able to see more of it via the web, than at a gallery. I think it's a definite challenge to the conventional gallery business structure. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:16:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:53:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: List How-to's? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:51:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.55141.0> Precedence: bulk Is there a how-to document available for this list? It took me over four weeks to figure out the NG in the title meant "Non-Glass" (I know, I'm a bit slow sometimes). I still have not totally figured out how to tell if a particular message has come through the list server or direct to me. There are probably a hundred conventions pecular to this list which I have not figured out yet and it would sure help if I could find them out now rather than one-at-a-time over the next couple of years or so. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:20:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:56:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: I give in Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:40:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.44021.0> Precedence: bulk Very Interesting... In the old dog-eared copy of his book "Please Understand Me" which I have sitting in front of me Kiersey has them both as being less than 1%. I looked up my results sheet from the full blown Myers-Briggs test which I took in 1976 (non-Kierseyan - some 300 questions if I remember correctly). It has INFP listed as less than 1/2 percent. Newer (maybe better) stats? Different tests? Kiersey is just playing with our minds? Oh well, I guess I'm not as special as I thought. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Spitzer To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:08 AM Subject: Re: I give in >At 06:48 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote: >>INFP and INTP are the rarest in the general population - both less than 1%. >> >>More than 3/4 of the general population are "E"s (Extroverted). >> >>Other than that, I do not remember the percentages. > >see http://keirsey.com/cgi-bin/keirsey/stats.cgi > >infp is at 6.65%, intp is at 3.3% > >regards, >charlie >-- >Charles Spitzer >Stratus Computer, Inc >Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:30:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:22:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mutualservice.com!MAzcarate From: "Azcarate, Morys" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Hello Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:32:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.93221.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, =A0 I am trying to locate Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr. Can someone give me his e-Mail Address or just give him mine? I need to ask him a computer = language question. =A0 Thank you =A0 Morys Azcarate=20 Mutual Service Corporation=20 561 835 4100 - Ext.3818=20 =A0 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:36:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:22:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: glassgirl.com!"jenny" From: "Jennifer S. Geldard" <"jenny"@glassgirl.com> To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:25:55 -0500 Message-ID: <199903111427.IAA08385@cts.ctsserver.com> References: <<1999Mar11.1520.0>> Organization: glassgirl's Studio Precedence: bulk I had the exact same problem with Canfield.... hated it...I'd assumed until now it was just the lead free version.Since I've been using Fry...I haven't had single gunking-up problem. I called a company named Johnson Manufacturing on referral from another stained glass artist for a lead-free solder and flux paste that supposedly takes a patina beautifully...will keep you all posted! -Jenny Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > ............ It's grody to the max!!!!!!!! Or did we just get a bad batch? > > > > So -- did we just get a bad batch, or is the stuff kind of strange to work > with in general? Anyone else ever had this crudding-up problem with this or > any other kind of solder? My enquiring mind wants to know! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:41:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:22:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: glassgirl.com!"jenny" From: "Jennifer S. Geldard" <"jenny"@glassgirl.com> To: Jerri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG---another test Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: <199903111334.HAA06089@cts.ctsserver.com> References: <<1999Mar10.174626.0>> Organization: glassgirl's Studio Precedence: bulk Wow! That's embarrassing...I scored "slow, possibly drunk" Jerri wrote: > All you other INFPs (ok, and the rest of you) might enjoy this little test: > > http://www.pressanykey.com/densa/densa1.html > > Warning: math is involved > > Jerri > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:48:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:24:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glob Lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.24749.0> Precedence: bulk Robert, Sounds really neat! Do you have a web site to put a picture up? I'd love to see. Pizza and Ben and Jerry's? Sounds like my kind of place! Jerri >Just got done one the other evening with a couple of our Friday night late >night students. We started at about 11 PM and I finished soldering at about >1:30am .........had to break for pizza and Ben & Jerry's Ice cream. The >shade was created using the Worden B7 bell shaped mold and looks really >neat.....we have received a fair amount of inquiries and are now going to >construct another glob lamp using the Odyssey mold for the Woodbine. I used >canfield Quick set solder to fill some of the larger holes and even left >some open.....also included a nickel 2 pennies and some dichroic scrap I had >laying around. The shade does weigh about 2.5 pounds including a solid >brass vase cap. As far as foiling the nuggets we would foil about 20 at a >time and lightly shake them in a container to burnish the foil in place > kinda like one would shake a skillet on the stove). Around the base of the >lampshade we reinforced with 18 gauge copper wire. > >Robert > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:51:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:03:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses (NG) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:02:59 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.114059.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6BD0.2B5A3CBA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It really is amazing what those credit reports show. When my fianc=E9e (now wife) were applying for a mortgage we found out = she already had a house in Baltimore as well as another husband and a = second Social Security Number. Boy was she surprised to find out this stuff. = The credit reporting company also included all her credit card numbers = under this other identity. After we got my wife's report straightened out I wrote the "other = Linda" to let her know she had better contact them too. The letter stated out = "You don't know me but we are engaged to be married in October..." She found = the letter amusing but not the mix up. Since then we check once a year to make sure things haven't gotten = messed up again. I also check to make sure they are not giving my name out since I have = taken the opt out option in perpetuity not just the two years they prefer. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis [mailto:alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 10:26 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses > What's different about the net is: one the info is out there, it > stays there and we're talking accessible by millions of people. Too late. It was too late years ago, I'm afraid. Privacy is a thing=20 of the past and to try to protect it now is a waste of effort. Try=20 this: apply for a loan you know will be turned down. It'll be fun.=20 Ask for $75 million. You'll get a nice form letter that, in addition=20 to saying "no" quite clearly, will offer you free credit reports from=20 a number of agencies. Get those reports and find out just how much is=20 known about you. A lot, as it turns out. Albert =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6BD0.2B5A3CBA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses (NG)

It really is amazing what those credit reports = show.
When my fianc=E9e (now wife) were applying for a = mortgage we found out she already had a house in Baltimore as well as = another husband and a second Social Security Number. Boy was she = surprised to find out this stuff. The credit reporting company also = included all her credit card numbers under this other = identity.

After we got my wife's report straightened out I = wrote the "other Linda" to let her know she had better = contact them too. The letter stated out "You don't know me but we = are engaged to be married in October..." She found the letter = amusing but not the mix up.

Since then we check once a year to make sure things = haven't gotten messed up again.
I also check to make sure they are not giving my = name out since I have taken the opt out option in perpetuity not just = the two years they prefer.

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Lewis [mailto:alewis@alpha.nad.ad= elphia.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 10:26 AM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject: Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit = Addresses



> What's different about the net is: one the info = is out there, it
> stays there and we're talking accessible by = millions of people.

Too late. It was too late years ago, I'm afraid. = Privacy is a thing
of the past and to try to protect it now is a waste = of effort. Try
this: apply for a loan you know will be turned down. = It'll be fun.
Ask for $75 million. You'll get a nice form letter = that, in addition
to saying "no" quite clearly, will offer = you free credit reports from
a number of agencies. Get those reports and find out = just how much is
known about you. A lot, as it turns out.


Albert
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6BD0.2B5A3CBA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:51:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:43:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Globbie shade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:45:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.12453.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Russ, Tried to send this earlier and daver!@whatever.com refused it, so I guess it kicked back everything. By the way, their messages are always blank, so why should it make a difference? Hope this gives you inspiration. It is lovely when done. Hate foiling those nuggets though. Maybe you could try the recommendation of lightly foiling and shaking in a jar. I wasn't that smart. Or the message came too lazte, I'd like to think. Ha! Good luck, Kathy Subject: Re: glass glob lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:23:36 -0500 From: Kathy To: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu CC: glass@bungi.com References: 1 Hi Russ, I made a shade out of globbies, and it turned out very pretty. It is the one piece that always gets commented on. I didn't use a pattern. I covered a stainless steel mixing bowl with masking tape so solder would not stick to it. I used the bowl to support the weight of the shade. It is HEAVY. I centered the vase cap and held it in place with tape and then worked my way around in rows of same colors for the top. As I moved down, I made shapes that resemble grapes and such. I tried for pattern effects, but it is so brilliant when lit, you don't really notice them. I used small, medium and large globs. The large ones, evenly spaced around the whole thing, really stand out. I used every color I could get, and tried not to over do any hue in the same location. The bottom is free form. Moves up and down with some hanging down in a somewhat even pattern. Then I solder on the cap, took it off the form, and soldered the inside. It was weak and I had to be careful till I got the inside soldered. The weight of the thing, wanted to crush itself. Good luck! It is worth the effort, but it took a long time. Kathy HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > I am the proud owner of several lifetimes supply of glass globs (small > and large). I had the weird idea of making a lampshade entirely (or > mostly) from the smaller ones. Now, I must confess, that I have made > some of the most awful-looking glass creations that have ever been > perpetrated on mankind, so I am a bit concerned that this project might > not turn out as I envision it. > > My question: Have any of you built such a lampshade? How did it > turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into > the design? > > Thanks, > > Russ Hilleke > in beautiful, sunny and historic Charleston, South Carolina > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:54:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:15:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: I give in Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:42:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.84240.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >My warped sense of humour / wickedness would just not be able to = resist making a total pig's ear out of them, just to see the raised = eyebrows of controlled alarm in the face of the "tester" when he/she = evaluates the results.....< Reminds me of my high school days when I answered all my = standardized proficiency test questions sort of randomly depending on how pleasing the arrangement of dots were. My score ended up being on the moron level and of course I had to do the testing over again and fortunately I wasn't branded for life (so much for *everything about us being common knowledge to *everyone! Ha!) = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 16:59:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:48:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: All you crafters Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:24:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990311172457.00697284@scci.net> References: <> Precedence: bulk Are you talking about the fairy book with the red cover? From the same person who just put out a mermaid version or something totally different? Just curious. Melissa At 06:56 PM 3/10/99 -0800, you wrote: > >--WebTV-Mail-174828473-172 >Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > >Dani Greer wrote: > >On the flip side, those flesh-colored enchanted fairies are the >cheesiest things I've ever seen. If you want anyone to think you have a >shred of good taste, don't be seen near them! IMPO. >********************************* >I've made many of these so called "Cheesy" fairies and everyone i've >given them to has been very pleased. And I've even sold quite a few. > >Sue > > >--WebTV-Mail-174828473-172 >Content-Description: signature >Content-Disposition: Inline >Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > >Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So >now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language >together. > > >--WebTV-Mail-174828473-172-- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 17:12:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:41:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: nugget lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:40:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.13405.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:HILLEKER@Citadel.edu >My question: Have any of you built such a lampshade? How did it = turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into = the design?< A friend of mine did just that. She simply foiled the nuggets/blobs first, then soldered them against a lamp cap on a lampshade form, starting soldering from the top down. Turned out lovely! She limited color to one iridescent grey nugget, but I can see (in my mind's eye) all types of possibilities! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 17:23:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:22:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lead health issue Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:26:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.82613.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Lead Linked To Hypertension In Women March 8, 1999 NEW YORK (Reuters Health) -- Lead exposure may increase a woman's risk of developing high blood pressure, according to US researchers. The findings "suggest that minimizing women's lead exposure throughout adulthood may prove to be an important public health measure for hypertension prevention," write the study authors. The report is published in the American Journal of Public Health, a journal of the American Public Health Association. Although studies in men have linked lead exposure to hypertension, few studies have examined the risk of low levels of lead exposure outside the work environment on women's blood pressure. Researchers from Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts, studied a subset of 297 women from the Boston area who are part of the large, ongoing Nurses' Health Study. The participants included 97 women with hypertension. Because lead levels in blood dissipate rapidly, and 95% of adult lead stores are in bone, the investigators analyzed lead levels in blood and, using x-ray techniques, lead levels in bones -- specifically the patella (kneecap), and tibia (shin bone). In their analysis, lead levels in the women's blood and tibia were not associated with hypertension. But statistical analysis indicated that lead levels in the patella could be linked to high blood pressure. After adjusting for potentially confounding factors, the research team found that women with the highest levels of lead in their kneecaps had about twice the risk of hypertension than women who had the lowest lead levels in their kneecaps. The study authors also noted that the association of patella lead with hypertension was stronger among postmenopausal than premenopausal women. The findings "support a potentially important role for low-level lead exposure as a risk factor for hypertension" in women, the Harvard team concludes. They call for more research to confirm this suggested causal relationship. SOURCE: American Journal of Public Health 1999;89:330-335. Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 17:49:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:07:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:09:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.1294.0> Precedence: bulk What a torrid and heart-wrenching tale (or is that horrid and tart-wrenching?..... nah... the first, definately!) I loved it! (I laughed, I cried.....) I felt as a child again when the lovely young Emeraldine, so sweet and demure, could only stutter 'Puce!' at the touch of Pierre's masculine han= d. My heart broke when she packed those trade tools to follow her work to th= e next township, away from the only man she could ever love, to weave her craft for only pennies a square foot. I cried as Emeraldine and her dashing, lovestruck Pierre brushed the sawd= ust from their nubile, and rippling bodies. And my breath caught in my throa= t, at the artful and stunning description of the dream workshop that Pierre built his lady love. *sniiifff*! What a lovely story! If the gypsy glass caravan ever passes through podunk little Fort Smith, Arkansas... you can rest assusred that I will be joining them! Now if I could just find somebody that would make me glass because they love me!!! -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: Blake, Wayne, & Susan Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 3:54 PM Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! >Emeraldine sprang into being at a time when Patrick was desperately begg= ing for >bios. Here's the original. >Subject: > Fictitious lurker's bio > Date: > Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:31:52 -0400 > From: > Family Account > To: > glass@bungi.com > References: > 1 > > > > > >maruca@netaxs.com wrote: > >> o yes! make one up! yes yes yes! >> >> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Family Account wrote: >> >> > I did my bio, but I could make one up (after all, I used to write fo= r True >> > Stories). But my dog doesn't do glass, talented as she is, but she does >look >> > at it occasionally. >> > >> > Dorothy K > >Okay, so I did. Here it is. > >I was born, as were we all, excluding those who were hatched, but that=92= s another > >listserv. > >When I was young, I listened to the siren call of glass and ran away fro= m home >to >become an itinerant vitreous worker. In my handkerchief bundle, I carri= ed only >clean underwear, a peanut butter sandwich, my glass cutter, grozing plie= rs and >soldering iron. > >It was a hard life, moving from town to town with the seasons, but whene= ver and >wherever there was a window to construct, we would gather. The townies would >know >us by our tents, by the colorful suncatchers that hung in every entryway and >from >every pole, that made our camp a wonderland of light and color. At nigh= t we'd >sit >around our fires and carry on heated discussions =96 foil and lead, runn= ing >pliers, >tapping, solder alloys =96 anything and everything to do with glass. Th= ere were >good >times and bad times, love and jealousy, alliances and hatreds, but alway= s there >was >the glass. > >I thought I=92d be on the road forever, until I came to Paneville. Whil= e visiting > >the glass factory, searching for the right color, I saw Pierre, the shop >foreman. >He stood by the furnaces, arms and shoulders glistening with sweat. I w= as >stirred >and my scarred fingertips tingled. He came over to me and asked if he could >help >me and, for the first time in my life, I felt as if my feet were rooted = to just >one >spot. > >=93Puce,=94 I stuttered and he took my hand to show me the way. He seem= ed to linger > >over releasing my hand and asked if I were free for dinner. H wanted to tell me > >about their hand rolling. > >You know how the story goes. When a vitie and a townie get involved, it usually > >ends badly. But Pierre worked with the most elemental glass and underst= ood my >passion. It was hard to leave him when the job was done, but he couldn=92= t come >and >I didn=92t think I could stay. > >However, I couldn=92t stay away, either. Such is the call of two kindre= d souls. >After a month, I found myself on a bus back to Paneville, passing the ti= me with >foiling. > >I was afraid I=92d find Pierre in the arms of another woman, perhaps tha= t tiny >blonde >fuser who made asymmetric vases. Instead I found him constructing a stu= dio in >the >back yard. He=92d known all along that I=92d be back, and after succumb= ing to the >throes of passion in the sawdust, he showed me the studio. There was plumbing >for >a sink, plastic tubing for drips over the grinder and saw. There would = be a >separate soldering station and a large cutting table. The racks for gla= ss were >already partially filled and the light from the large windows made a che= ery >glow. > >=93I make the glass,=94 Pierre said. =93You turn it into objects of bea= uty.=94 > >Who could resist a man like that? > >Sometimes when I see the tents and go to visit old friends, I miss the vitie >life, >but when I go into my studio and see Pierre positioning a piece of opal = on the >lightbox, I know I have the best of the vitie world, and the townie worl= d. >Pierre >and I have the glass. > >Emeraldine > > > > > >Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: > >> How lovely to meet you Emeraldine. >> What a beautiful name! >> I just ADORE alter-ego's, so I'm sure we'll get along famously! >> Welcome to the Bungi group. >> Your first post was beautifully described and charming, so I'll look forward >> to your future escapes! >> >> Blake (...practicing his 'light prince' wave, but keeping a wary eye = our >> for aliens...) >> :-) >> >> >Emeraldine here, dearest friends. >> > >> >Itinerant vitreous workers have a myth regarding the Royal Wave (and = as you >> >know, most of our myths are true.) >> > >> >Back in the long ago, when a cathedral was finished, the nearest Roya= ls >> would >> >visit as dawn broke. They would raise their hands, cupped to the sun= , >> >signifying the gathering of the light. They would then wave their ha= nds >> apart, >> >spilling the gathered light so that it would shine through the window= s. If >> the >> >timing was just right, the results were magnificent, as the sunlight began >> to >> >stream through the uppermost stained glass windows. The Royals would then >> >process into the church and stand in the spot with the most reflected light >> (the >> >architects were extraordinary at making those spots quite prominent), while >> the >> >Bishop blessed the sanctuary. The Royals would continue to gather an= d >> spread >> >the light as the sun brightened, making for a glorious ceremony. >> Afterwards, >> >during the processional from the church, the vitreous workers would b= e >> showered >> >with coins of the shiniest metals, which would reflect the colored light. >> (Some >> >of those coins, alas, turned out to be base metal with only a plating= of >> the >> >precious stuff....there have always been people who think we charge t= oo >> much.) >> >Thus the origins of the Royal Wave. >> > >> >I do not claim to understand the genesis of the Royal Hats and Pocketbooks. >> > >> >So I think the aliens may misunderstand. They are being given the gi= ft of >> light >> >and color. >> > >> >Emeraldine (the ficticious wench who lives in Dorothy's brain - most = of the >> >time- but gets loose upon occasion) >> > >> >Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: >> > >> >> ... >> >> >> >> My theory here, and this is ONLY theory, is that the aliens probabl= y >> aren't >> >> after the royal hat collection, but the regal wave. I believe that the >> >> cupped hand, pointed skyward, and gingerly twisted is actually an >> >> intergalactic insult............ >> > >> > >> > >> >---- >> >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 17:49:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:51:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass!! YEEHAA!! Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990311194425.006a43c8@scci.net> References: <<1999Mar11.61852.0>> Precedence: bulk Congratulations!!!! That took guts! Melissa At 12:18 PM 3/11/99 -0600, you wrote: >Well Tulsa Suzanne is grinnin' now! I just met with these two guys that >I have a feeling could turn into a long, really fun, productive, and >profitable relationship! YES! > >Something kind of neat, was I knew by his voice, and talking to the >owner on the phone that I would like him. >When I walked in this morning, I didnt have time to say a word, and he >stuck out his hand, and said "Hi, Suzanne". Yep, he was a winner. > >His partner and I hit it off and spent alot of time together talking >about what's hot in decorating right now, etc. Did you know MONKEYS are >big, hot sellers????? (Kind of in an Afican motif) He almost had me >rolling on the floor. > >They have a neat gift shop/ flower shop. They do some gorgeous stuff, >and alot of custom work. They are enthusiastic about combining our two >mediums...WAY COOL! AND...They have a great location, and they are into >the marketing end...they *educate* their customers...and they do stuff >you wont see elsewhere, and *may not* see there again. So..time for me >to be an artist and come up with some ideas...and keep this going. > >My other morning meeting was with a gal who is interested, but wants me >to do something a little different and come back, so that was also >positive! > >Today is a better day! Yesterday drained me and today is energising, >funny how that happens, eh? > >T Suz >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 17:59:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:59:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bungi Location List Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:56:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990311165641.00957580@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk I just sent the new Who's Where in Bungi-Land directory by private e-mail to those who put themselves in it. The bungi server has been running very slowly (from where I sit, at least) for the last 24 hours so you procrastinators may have missed the cut. I'll send out an updated, typo-corrected version on April 1. Just in case the mail chain is doing something worse than running slowly (like eating messages) be advised that the last new location message I received was time stamped Wednesday around 7:00 p.m. EST. If you sent me your location last night or today, send it again to be sure. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 18:06:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:05:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: MBTI Percentages Was: I give in Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:03:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990311170333.00951290@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar11.44021.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:40 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Tim Atwood wrote: >Very Interesting... In the old dog-eared copy of his book "Please Understand >Me" which I have sitting in front of me Kiersey has them both as being less >than 1%. I looked up my results sheet from the full blown Myers-Briggs test >which I took in 1976 (non-Kierseyan - some 300 questions if I remember >correctly). It has INFP listed as less than 1/2 percent. > >Newer (maybe better) stats? Different tests? Kiersey is just playing with >our minds? > >Oh well, I guess I'm not as special as I thought. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles Spitzer >To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca >Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:08 AM >Subject: Re: I give in > > >>At 06:48 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote: >>>INFP and INTP are the rarest in the general population - both less than >1%. >>> >>>More than 3/4 of the general population are "E"s (Extroverted). >>> >>>Other than that, I do not remember the percentages. >> >>see http://keirsey.com/cgi-bin/keirsey/stats.cgi >> >>infp is at 6.65%, intp is at 3.3% >> >>regards, >>charlie >>-- >>Charles Spitzer >>Stratus Computer, Inc >>Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent > Those percentages tend to change, sometimes dramatically, as more studies are done. I've seen two sets of numbers recently that were very different from what I first learned, and different enough from each other to make me wonder why. Even the old rule about there being "3 Es for every I" (the original lyric in that old surfer song?) has been challenged. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 18:27:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: Tim Atwood Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: List How-to's? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:19:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar11.15193.0> References: <<1999Mar11.55141.0>> Precedence: bulk Tim, The best way to figure out how the message got to you is by looking for the 3 line footer at the end of the email. If there is a footer it can from Bungi, no footer means it can directly from the sender to you. I'm sending this directly to you and to bungi so you should get it twice, once with the footer and once without. Jim On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Tim Atwood wrote: > Is there a how-to document available for this list? It took me over four > weeks to figure out the NG in the title meant "Non-Glass" (I know, I'm a bit > slow sometimes). I still have not totally figured out how to tell if a > particular message has come through the list server or direct to me. There > are probably a hundred conventions pecular to this list which I have not > figured out yet and it would sure help if I could find them out now rather > than one-at-a-time over the next couple of years or so. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 18:41:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:13:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:12:56 -0800 Message-ID: <199903120112.RAA17436@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk I'm getting intrigued with the idea of making one of these...anybody got an estimate of how many pounds (or hundreds) of globs I'll need to order to have enough? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 18:50:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:36:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Tim Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: List How-to's? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:35:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.15351.0> References: <<1999Mar11.55141.0>> Precedence: bulk Tim Atwood wrote: > > Is there a how-to document available for this list? It took me over four > weeks to figure out the NG in the title meant "Non-Glass" (I know, I'm a bit > slow sometimes). I still have not totally figured out how to tell if a > particular message has come through the list server or direct to me. There > are probably a hundred conventions pecular to this list which I have not > figured out yet and it would sure help if I could find them out now rather > than one-at-a-time over the next couple of years or so. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the NG thing is new (some people were peeved at the non glass things). basically ask a question get an answer. i don't think there is a real FAQ to this group. you would'nt be inturupting anything if you ask something in the middle of some other banter. the other NG stuff is there because not too many people are asking questions. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 19:03:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:42:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netusa1.net!t6686 From: L Nelson To: Jerri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glob Lampshade Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:19:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.121937.0> References: <<1999Mar11.24749.0>> Precedence: bulk I all so would like to see a picture it does sound pretty and interesting!! Laura Jerri wrote: > Robert, > Sounds really neat! Do you have a web site to put a picture up? I'd love > to see. > > Pizza and Ben and Jerry's? Sounds like my kind of place! > > Jerri > > >Just got done one the other evening with a couple of our Friday night late > >night students. We started at about 11 PM and I finished soldering at > about > >1:30am .........had to break for pizza and Ben & Jerry's Ice cream. The > >shade was created using the Worden B7 bell shaped mold and looks really > >neat.....we have received a fair amount of inquiries and are now going to > >construct another glob lamp using the Odyssey mold for the Woodbine. I > used > >canfield Quick set solder to fill some of the larger holes and even left > >some open.....also included a nickel 2 pennies and some dichroic scrap I > had > >laying around. The shade does weigh about 2.5 pounds including a solid > >brass vase cap. As far as foiling the nuggets we would foil about 20 at a > >time and lightly shake them in a container to burnish the foil in place > > kinda like one would shake a skillet on the stove). Around the base of > the > >lampshade we reinforced with 18 gauge copper wire. > > > >Robert > > > > > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 19:20:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:23:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:20:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.162038.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks, I've been working with mostly Canfield for close to 30 years. A few years ago I tried Fry just to check it out and found that my soldering had dull patches developing as it cooled. Once, a couple of years ago, I got a bad batch of Canfield which they replaced immediately explaining that a lot of the old timers had retired and some new guy must have messed up. It is possible that the place where you got the solder does not sell much Canfield and it sat on the shelf until it developed oxides on the surface, in which case you certainly would get a lot of crud out of it. Are you sure that it was 60/40 and not 40/60? That would explain things too. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:52:00 EST Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > >............ It's grody to the max!!!!!!!! Or did we just get a bad >batch? > >I'd never used the stuff before until the other day at Christie's >place. She'd >gotten it because they were out of Fry. > >In 2 years (using Fry) I've had to take the sal ammoniac to my iron >exactly >once, when I'd done a repair on something really cruddy. Within 10 >minutes of >starting to solder with the Canfield 60/40, my iron had built up such >a layer >of crud that it wouldn't pick up solder, and the sal ammoniac wouldn't >even >cut through the crud. I finally had to take a knife sharpening stone >to the >tip of the iron. We both had that problem with it. > >I tried the stuff again today on a repair (reattaching the top of an >antique >bent-panel shade frame). It wouldn't stick to the brass at all even >after I'd >scraped the brass as clean as I could get it; I had to get out the >Fry. > >Canfield 60/40 doesn't seem to flow as smoothly as Fry 60/40; it >behaves a lot >like Fry 50/50, kind of pasty even as hot as I solder. (I didn't try >the >Canfield 50/50, so I don't know how that compares.) > >So -- did we just get a bad batch, or is the stuff kind of strange to >work >with in general? Anyone else ever had this crudding-up problem with >this or >any other kind of solder? My enquiring mind wants to know! > > >Sparks >---- > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 19:56:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:55:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:52:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.165239.0> References: <<199903120112.RAA17436@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > I'm getting intrigued with the idea of making one of these...anybody got an > estimate of how many pounds (or hundreds) of globs I'll need to order to > have enough? > > C. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: > http://come.to/The_E-Tour > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass depends on how big the lamp and how mig the blob. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 20:51:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:35:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: JJKIRBY@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Re: Does It Do Any Good to Omit Addresses and Phone Numbers? Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:37:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.163731.0> References: <<1999Mar10.183745.0>> Precedence: bulk > > I think you need to talk with someone that has had their identity stolen. > E.g. how would you like a criminal record, a destroyed credit situation, > hundreds of thousands of debts. This is a big problem in our society. Here is a new twist. My irresponsible ex, decided he has a thing for Suzannes. He married another one. Way to go. When my current husband and I were working on buying this house last, and were going through all that paper work, lo and behold, there popped up medical bills in my name and SS# in Seattle. According to the credit report I had surgery in Seattle,Wa, while giving birth in Tulsa, Ok! This is truly multi-tasking! ;o) Am I talented or what? I only had to threaten the manager of the collection agency that got the SS# wrong a *few* times before they finally straightened it out. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 21:50:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:10:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: New Book--Jewish Patterns! Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:08:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.1387.0> Precedence: bulk Forwarded as a matter of general interest. I have not seen this book myself. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: Ila Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 4:07 PM Subject: New Book--Jewish Patterns! >I am proud to annouce that I have just published a book of Jewish >stained glass patterns, now available for sale from my website. Visit >http://www.ila.com/glass.htm for information on how to order. > >--Ila M. Press >A Pane in the Glass >http://www.ila.com/glass.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 22:31:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:44:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Toby" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:44:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.174412.0> Precedence: bulk Did I happen to stumble into a different newsgroup. I thought I typed exotic glass and instead I got erotic *a_ _ LOL. Welcome back Brit Chick -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 4:26 PM Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! >Aha!!! >Emeraldine is back again!! >Whooppee!!! >Where Emeraldine is, Pierre is not far away!!! >That georgeous, hunky, sweaty Pierre, wielding his glass-workers >tools, muscles rippling. WOW!! >Emeraldine, I hope you have passed on my entreaties for a date with >Pierre...? > >Anyhow, loved your account of The Royal Hand Wave! >One of those fake coins must have got stuck in my ear, because I am >still as deaf as a post from the travails of winter. >Ah, for a warm embrace from Pierre.......! >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >in reply to: >> Emeraldine here, dearest friends. >> >> Itinerant vitreous workers have a myth regarding the Royal Wave (and as you >> know, most of our myths are true.) >> >> Back in the long ago, when a cathedral was finished, the nearest Royals would >> visit as dawn broke. They would raise their hands, cupped to the sun, >> signifying the gathering of the light. They would then wave their hands apart, >> spilling the gathered light so that it would shine through the windows. If the >> timing was just right, the results were magnificent, as the sunlight began to >> stream through the uppermost stained glass windows. The Royals would then >> process into the church and stand in the spot with the most reflected light (the >> architects were extraordinary at making those spots quite prominent), while the >> Bishop blessed the sanctuary. The Royals would continue to gather and spread >> the light as the sun brightened, making for a glorious ceremony. Afterwards, >> during the processional from the church, the vitreous workers would be showered >> with coins of the shiniest metals, which would reflect the colored light. (Some >> of those coins, alas, turned out to be base metal with only a plating of the >> precious stuff....there have always been people who think we charge too much.) >> Thus the origins of the Royal Wave. >> >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 11 22:44:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:55:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Kathy" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Globbie shade Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:00:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar11.18013.0> Precedence: bulk Kathy, There's a little tool in some of the glass catalogs that would be easy to make. I've made 2 or three for foiling glass nuggets and it works pretty good. Get a piece of wood 1 X 3 or 4 about 5 inches long. With a router cut a grove about 3/8 inch wide down the length of the center of 3 inch width of the wood. Clean out the dust good and then useing clear silicone caulk , run a bead of caulk in the grove just to fill it. Don't over fill it. Let it set up and dry a couple days. The rubbery strip down the center works like a cushion. Start the foil on the edge of the nugget, lay the foiled edge against the silicone strip and roll the nugget along the strip til you meet where you started. Tah Dah!!!!!!!!! . A foiled nugget. It doesn't take so long this way. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Kathy To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:11 PM Subject: Globbie shade >Hi Russ, > >Tried to send this earlier and daver!@whatever.com refused it, so I >guess it kicked back everything. By the way, their messages are always >blank, so why should it make a difference? > >Hope this gives you inspiration. It is lovely when done. Hate foiling >those nuggets though. Maybe you could try the recommendation of lightly >foiling and shaking in a jar. I wasn't that smart. Or the message came >too lazte, I'd like to think. Ha! > >Good luck, Kathy > > Subject: > Re: glass glob lampshade > Date: > Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:23:36 -0500 > From: > Kathy > To: > HILLEKER@Citadel.edu > CC: > glass@bungi.com > References: > 1 > > > >Hi Russ, > >I made a shade out of globbies, and it turned out very pretty. It is the > >one piece that always gets commented on. I didn't use a pattern. I >covered >a stainless steel mixing bowl with masking tape so solder would not >stick >to it. I used the bowl to support the weight of the shade. It is HEAVY. >I >centered the vase cap and held it in place with tape and then worked my >way >around in rows of same colors for the top. As I moved down, I made >shapes >that resemble grapes and such. I tried for pattern effects, but it is so > >brilliant when lit, you don't really notice them. I used small, medium >and >large globs. The large ones, evenly spaced around the whole thing, >really >stand out. I used every color I could get, and tried not to over do any >hue >in the same location. The bottom is free form. Moves up and down with >some >hanging >down in a somewhat even pattern. Then I solder on the cap, took it off >the >form, and soldered the inside. It was weak and I had to be careful till >I >got the inside soldered. The weight of the thing, wanted to crush >itself. > >Good luck! It is worth the effort, but it took a long time. > >Kathy > >HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > >> I am the proud owner of several lifetimes supply of glass globs (small > >> and large). I had the weird idea of making a lampshade entirely (or >> mostly) from the smaller ones. Now, I must confess, that I have made >> some of the most awful-looking glass creations that have ever been >> perpetrated on mankind, so I am a bit concerned that this project >might >> not turn out as I envision it. >> >> My question: Have any of you built such a lampshade? How did it >> turn out? Any advice on color or size patterns I could work into >> the design? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Russ Hilleke >> in beautiful, sunny and historic Charleston, South Carolina >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 05:31:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:51:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Globbie shade Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:50:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar12.25047.0> References: <<1999Mar11.18013.0>> Precedence: bulk J & W wrote describing how to make a nugget foiler by routing a block of wood and adding silicon to cushion the wood to make it suitable for instant foiling and crimping. Would it be possible to carve a large chunk of styrofoam for the same use? Seems you could skip the cushioning step then. I have no need to foil nuggets right now, or I'd give it a try! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 06:05:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:29:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: a little more.......... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.32848.0> References: <<1999Mar9.103249.0>> Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: > > Our local phonebook (Lincoln county) has a REVERSE directory............as > well as the usual one. > most cases a search engine will find who what where and so on. > The ONLY thing so far I have found that was "sensitive" and not available on > the WWW for a while was a country wide reverse directory. Imagine that, > something the www found may invade privacy! > I have a url which has all my bona-fides. Caller ID and so on for phone > users also makes a lot of info easier to get. > If I get a repeat "wrong number call" I ask what number they were trying to > call, I write down the number they were trying to get, and look it up in > the reverse directory. > Also caller ID does indeed show who who has been calling. By-the-by, I have > not yet come to grips with an answering machine! About a year ago rotary > dial phone (pulse) was no longer being provided, and I had to give up my > antique phones. > Privacy seems to be an illusion....better make up a whopper, change it > often, and in general just confuse the whole story. It is interesting what > (in a small town) gets back to me! > Eccentric....SURE! A character, yep! Weird...who is to say, do I > care?????yes, but not much. > ANY time any of you are in downtown WALDPORT, stop in. Most stores and > places know the glass guy. > later, H > > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass of the various reverse searchs i've found this one is the best http://in-132.infospace.com/_1_39530232__info/reverse.htm it does just about everything. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 08:08:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:20:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: List How-to's? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:19:57 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.151957.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/11/99 9:28:01 PM, gonzalj@freenet.tlh.fl.us wrote: >The best way to figure out how the message got to you is by looking for >the 3 line footer at the end of the email. If there is a footer it can >from Bungi, no footer means it can directly from the sender to you. At http://www.igga.org/ there's a thing called "Bungi 101" that covers some of the ins and outs. It was written in response to someone who was new to the list and also got confused by all those messages that weren't addressed to her. I don't remember if the "NG" convention was covered or not; it was posted a while ago. (It wuz me whut wrote it, but I forget. I probably ought to go back and check it out.) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 08:37:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG those standardized tests, was Re: I give in Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:19:51 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.151951.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach Dani: >Reminds me of my high school days when I answered all my = >standardized proficiency test questions sort of randomly depending >on how pleasing the arrangement of dots were. HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA! Wish I'd thought of that, especially after I realized that the only thing those standardized tests seem to measure is how good a test-taker you are! OTOH, I wouldn't have had the guts to try it back then. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 09:11:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:21:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG Re: I give in Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:19:50 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.151950.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/11/99 7:21:36 PM, atwoods@aisl.bc.ca wrote: >Newer (maybe better) stats? Different tests? Kiersey is just playing with >our minds? According to what I've been reading of late (yeah, my enquiring mind *always* wants to know), Kiersey isn't quite as reliable as the original Myers-Briggs. He's not as objective as he ought to be if he's going to be trying to "define who people are"; specifically, he has a very strong "behaviorist" orientation in his approach that can tend to skew things. For instance, he's on record as believing that there's no such thing as ADD, still mainitains that it's a "kids acting up thang" that can be cured with proper discipline (in his own words, "Abuse it -- lose it") in spite of new brain research indicating definite functional and physiological differences between the ADD population and the "normal" population (a recent NIMH study showed characteristic areas of the ADD brain that metabolize glucose less efficiently than "normal" brains, and which do respond to stimulants....... incidentally, similar studies show functional/physiological differences associated with depression and post-traumatic stress disorder), and in spite of the mounting evidence that ADD not only persists into adulthood, in about a third of cases it actually becomes worse over time -- especially in women, who are less likely to be diagnosed; we get overlooked because we're less likely to be "hyper" and more likely to "overload and shut down." (About a third of kids do "outgrow it" - or more accurately, develop adequate strategies for coping with it and even learn to use its quirks to their own advantage in work and life.) At least on that score, Kiersey is full of crap. I can say from a lifetime of fighting both ADD and depression (and in the former case not even knowing what I was fighting, although I always had a pretty good handle on the latter in the years before anyone believed that children could be depressed) that "behavioral psychology" as commonly applied to humans is just another way to spell manipulation, and there's ultimately no difference between my "getting my brain out of a bottle" and a diabetic "getting his/her pancreas out of a bottle." We both have life-threatening biological conditions that we can't "will" or "behave" our way out of (not to say that some lifestyle changes aren't in order when you live with a chronic affliction, but those changes don't address the condition itself, only how you create a quality of life and health for yourself in those circumstances). Enough soapboxin' for now. Better living through chemistry! Back to glass..... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 09:11:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:21:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass!! YEEHAA!! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:19:53 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.151953.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/11/99 6:58:37 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Well Tulsa Suzanne is grinnin' now! I just met with these two guys that >I have a feeling could turn into a long, really fun, productive, and >profitable relationship! YES! YEEHAA!! is right! Hope things work out well for you! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 09:37:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:20:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sunset.net!fullspec From: Kay Frith Allen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Inland Quickie Polisher Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:15:28 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990312081528.0069b568@pop3.sunset.net> Precedence: bulk Hi, Has anyone tried the Inland Quickie Polisher? I saw an ad in the new Delphi catalog for this product that is supposed to "remove rust, oxidation, grime, etc. from copper, zinc, brass and lead." It is a cordless, battery powered tool with tip like a motorized eraser made of fiberglass and fine abrasive. I need something like this to remove oxidation, scratches and smooth solder joints from the lead U-came on completed small projects. Was considering the Dremel tool but someone said it was too powerful for this function. Would the Quickie Polisher do the job? Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 09:40:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:36:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Digital cameras and glass Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:34:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990312083447.00951970@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk Can anyone report on experiences using low-end digital cameras to photograph glass projects. If the destination for the pictures is the web rather than brochures the lower resolution (compared to film) shouldn't matter that much. Or does it? I'm not a photographer, and I can imagine wasting a lot of money on film and development trying to come up with a reasonable lighting setup. The instant feedback of digital would also save time. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 10:11:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:50:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: selling oneself Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:36:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.53635.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I agree with you it really is a trial. Just this am I got up on my day off and put on good cloths and makeup to meet with an interior designer. She wasn't the least bit helpful or impressed. The whole interview took about 3 minutes. I felt very let down. Then I went into a new coffee/gift shop. I was really only going in for some coffee to booster myself. The owner was very friendly and helpful. By the time I left I had coffee and a possible relationship of making glass for her gift boxes. One can never tell. We only have to keep trying. Next step is to approach builders. I can imagine this is going to be a similiar experience to the interior decorator, but one never know. Thanks for listening, Sue. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 10:47:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:51:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: Canfield Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:37:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.53744.0> Precedence: bulk I have used Canfield for years and haven't had much problem. But I have also used Fry, but didn't think there was a big difference between the two. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 10:58:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:22:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Globbie shade Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:29:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.52920.0> Precedence: bulk I don't know if styrofoam would work. As you roll the nugget across the silicone strip, you need to press down a little and it crimps the foil around the curved edge of the nugget. You could try it with the foam, but I would think that it would make deeper permanent impressions in the foam wearing it out quickly. The silicone will return to the original form to be ready for the next nugget. You might also try it with a very very dense foam rubber similar to the Wedges they sell for positioning glass pieces to work on. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Globbie shade > >J & W wrote describing how to make a nugget foiler by routing a block of >wood and adding silicon to cushion the wood to make it suitable for >instant foiling and crimping. > >Would it be possible to carve a large chunk of styrofoam for the same use? >Seems you could skip the cushioning step then. I have no need to foil >nuggets right now, or I'd give it a try! > > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 11:10:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: NG those standardized tests, was Re: I give in Date: Fri Mar 12 09:01:17 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.63917.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6CA8.0DCB550C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Also sprach Dani: >Reminds me of my high school days when I answered all my = >standardized proficiency test questions sort of randomly depending >on how pleasing the arrangement of dots were. I did something like that on a scholarship exam. Answered all the questions I had a clue about, then filled in the dots to get a nice pattern. Only one in my homeroom who got a scholarship from that exam. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6CA8.0DCB550C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: NG those standardized tests, was Re: I give in

Also sprach Dani:

>Reminds me of my high school days when I answered all my =
>standardized proficiency test questions sort of randomly depending
>on how pleasing the arrangement of dots were.

I did something like that on a scholarship exam.
Answered all the questions I had a clue about, then filled in the dots
to get a nice pattern. Only one in my homeroom who got a scholarship from
that exam.

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6CA8.0DCB550C-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 11:46:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:47:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Globbie shade Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:45:56 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.184556.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/12/99 8:33:05 AM, maruca@netaxs.com wrote: >Would it be possible to carve a large chunk of styrofoam for the same use? >Seems you could skip the cushioning step then. I have no need to foil >nuggets right now, or I'd give it a try! I'd think the styrofoam wouldn't be solid enough to hold up for long. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 12:47:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:27:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG I give in Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:23:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990312102323.0092f8f0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar12.151950.0>> Precedence: bulk At 10:19 AM 3/12/99 EST, Sparks wrote: > >According to what I've been reading of late (yeah, my enquiring mind *always* >wants to know), Kiersey isn't quite as reliable as the original Myers-Briggs. >He's not as objective as he ought to be if he's going to be trying to "define >who people are"; specifically, he has a very strong "behaviorist" orientation >in his approach that can tend to skew things. > > [clip...personal sharing that deserves compassionate response but the words are failing me right now] > >Enough soapboxin' for now. Better living through chemistry! Back to glass..... > Not so fast...another blemish in Keirsey-land. I first stumbled onto MB testing surfing the web. I ended up at the site of some student who provided a 70-question test. I took it, was fascinated with the result, reverse-engineered the test so I had a paper version that my friends could take and self-grade, started reading, etc. I became a true believer. A few years later I was cleaning up my browser bookmarks and went back to that student's site. In place of the test was a lot of vitriole about how the student had helped Keirsey set up his (Keirsey's) own site and then, when finished, was "ordered" to deactivate his (student's) original site. Copyright or something. Kind of like helping to build the pyramids and then getting buried in them. I never figured out for sure who the good guys and bad guys were in this drama, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. Also, I really hate the fact that the "official" 350-question test is copyrighted (or patented or whatever) and can only be given (for a fee) by (or under license to) the Meyers-Briggs Testing Institute. It's not like an HIV test where some people are going to need counselling after they get the result. And the people making the profit on this gig certainly aren't the ones who came up with the idea. Sometimes intellectual property laws suck. Putting my soapbox away, too... Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 13:15:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:36:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Steve Wernecke" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Digital cameras and glass Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:33:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.33324.0> Precedence: bulk >>Can anyone report on experiences using low-end digital cameras to photograph glass projects. If the destination for the pictures is the web rather than brochures the lower resolution (compared to film) shouldn't matter that much. Or does it? << I have a Kodak DC 120 that takes pics in four qualities. Seem to always use the lowest quality which is still about 500 K and far more than can be used for general computer monitor viewing. Crop, change size and save in JPEG format to get pics down to managable size of, say, 7 to 50K for posting. Think you are right that higher resolutions are wasted for posted pics. Also large pic files are a pain to up and download and store when there is little benefit to be gained. Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 13:15:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:37:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:33:54 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.193354.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/11/99 3:53:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: << Well, as a publisher, I have to expect a 60% cost >> This is what I'm trying to say: The internet changes the traditional method of the bookselling business. Amazon's business model is totally different than a traditional retailer. Amazon carries minimal inventory, doesn't have any retail space, requires fewer employees, etc. Given the high costs of the gallery business, the internet will have it's impact. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 13:39:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:40:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bungi Location List Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:38:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.9385.0> Precedence: bulk What a treat, Steve.... got my list! Wow. Best, Dani Greer (from snowy Colorado.... finally,, now that the jonquils are up!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 13:44:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:40:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:38:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.9388.0> Precedence: bulk Probably half of what I have at my shop! Ha! I'm thinking about = trying one of these myself. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 14:04:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:01:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG Re: I give in Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:58:44 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.195844.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/12/99 9:12:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << showed characteristic areas of the ADD brain that metabolize glucose less efficiently than "normal" brains, and which do respond to stimulants....... incidentally, similar studies show functional/physiological differences >> We live in a time when "wet" brain research is in it's infancy, that is we have way to peek at different parts of the brain and begin to see what's going on. Pyschology for the most part has been "dry" brain, theory and observation based. Piaget's theory on child development was based on his observations of his own children... not much of a sample. On the other hand, it was a very excellent theory. I think the problem is that sometimes we confuse theories and facts. With therapists and educators, this can do damage to others. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 14:17:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: internet question Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:30:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.20304.0> Precedence: bulk Why is it that when you fill out a form on some sites they ask you not just for your address, they ask for adress1, address 2 and sometimes address 3? Sorry my house only has one adddress. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 14:18:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:45:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Another Thankyou Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:43:49 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar12.204349.0> Precedence: bulk Thankyou Jackie for Judy Miller's book. I received it today and now I am in a quandary. Between this book and the patterns that Nadine sent me I don't know which one to make first. I already decided I'd make one for the Rabbi, one for me, one for my mom, etc. Of course they are all so beautiful I'll want to make one of each for me. It's so nice how people in Bungiland do so much for each other and never expect anything in return. I will be happy to return the favors someday. Knowing so many wonderful glass artists makes being a hobbyist so much more special. Doing glass is my therapy and my love. People keep asking me to sell my stuff but I just can't do it because I am afraid that it would take the absolute pleasure I get out of it. And besides taking custom orders would take away the creative process and fun of picking out glass and blending the colors. I'm sure some of you agree. In the meantime all of you that are professionals I will keep checking out your websites so please keep including your webaddresses. Thanks again to all. Happy Glassing! Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 14:20:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:30:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Steve Wernecke Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:34:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.83438.0> Precedence: bulk >From your last email message, I dont know if you are getting my messages unless they come from bungi. So...this message is to say...I did respond, you should have *several* responses in your mailbox from me by now! ;o) Let me know if you didnt get my other messages. If not something is wrong somewhere. Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 14:37:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:01:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Ungar irons Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:12:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar12.111226.0> Precedence: bulk I'd like to get a new Ungar iron but I'm not sure what to order. I think they come in parts - handle, heater & tip. But I'm not sure. Can anyone help me with the specifics of what I need to get. Part numbers would be helpful. The glassmart.com lists the handle (#7760) and 45 watt heater (#4033S) but no tip. Thanks, Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 14:53:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:45:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Inland Quickie Polisher Date: Fri Mar 12 13:44:44 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.112244.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6CCF.A9CD3782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kay If I remember correctly my dremel goes from 5000 to 30000 rpm. I'll check over the weekend and let you know if those numbers are incorrect. I've used it to remove paint from bike frames and such with no problems. You may want to check the rpms on the Inland Quickie Polisher and compare. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Kay Frith Allen [mailto:fullspec@sunset.net] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 11:15 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Inland Quickie Polisher Hi, Has anyone tried the Inland Quickie Polisher? I saw an ad in the new Delphi catalog for this product that is supposed to "remove rust, oxidation, grime, etc. from copper, zinc, brass and lead." It is a cordless, battery powered tool with tip like a motorized eraser made of fiberglass and fine abrasive. I need something like this to remove oxidation, scratches and smooth solder joints from the lead U-came on completed small projects. Was considering the Dremel tool but someone said it was too powerful for this function. Would the Quickie Polisher do the job? Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6CCF.A9CD3782 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Inland Quickie Polisher

Kay

If I remember correctly my dremel goes from 5000 to 30000 rpm.
I'll check over the weekend and let you know if those numbers are incorrect.
I've used it to remove paint from bike frames and such with no problems.
You may want to check the rpms on the Inland Quickie Polisher and compare.

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Kay Frith Allen [mailto:fullspec@sunset.net]
Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 11:15 AM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject: Inland Quickie Polisher


Hi,
Has anyone tried the Inland Quickie Polisher?  I saw an ad in the new
Delphi catalog for this product that is supposed to "remove rust,
oxidation, grime, etc. from copper, zinc, brass and lead."  It is a
cordless, battery powered tool with tip like a motorized eraser made of
fiberglass and fine abrasive.  I need something like this to remove
oxidation, scratches and smooth solder joints from the lead U-came on
completed small projects.  Was considering the Dremel tool but someone said
it was too powerful for this function.  Would the Quickie Polisher do the job?
Kay
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6CCF.A9CD3782-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 15:37:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:02:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:00:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.12052.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Gary Dodge: >Are you sure that it was 60/40 and not 40/60? That would explain things= too.< Christie jumping in here (original message started by Sparks). I'm the one who purchased the Canfield solder which is gunking up our soldering irons. I originally ordered Fry 60/40, and my distributor was out. They asked if they could substitute Canfield 60/40 instead. I said "OK". Silly moi. It is truely 60/40, not 40/60. And it truely is gunky, as Sparks said. Me no like very much. Me goin' ta say "No way, Hose" next time. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 17:28:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:02:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:00:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.12052.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Gary Dodge: >Are you sure that it was 60/40 and not 40/60? That would explain things= too.< Christie jumping in here (original message started by Sparks). I'm the one who purchased the Canfield solder which is gunking up our soldering irons. I originally ordered Fry 60/40, and my distributor was out. They asked if they could substitute Canfield 60/40 instead. I said "OK". Silly moi. It is truely 60/40, not 40/60. And it truely is gunky, as Sparks said. Me no like very much. Me goin' ta say "No way, Hose" next time. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 17:45:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:12:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG: Spring has sproing...!! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:06:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.22628.0> Precedence: bulk >Dani Greer (from snowy Colorado.... finally,, now that the jonquils are >up!) Nice to hear...eh??? All my daffodils are blooming...and yet my crocus haven't..which is strange...they usually ALWAYS are the first.... Maybe they know something the daffodils don't.......... Also I just noticed I've got tit-willows in the backyard corner... and the camelias are starting to bossom as well...hmmmmmmmmmm... Daniel in Oregon... ---Cogito ergo spud........I think therefore I yam.--- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 17:58:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: discover.earthlink.net!leslye2 From: Leslye Nelson To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: display stands for shows Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:13:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.12134.0> Precedence: bulk I was surprised last night when I was unable to find any sites on how to build a display stand for stained glass at art shows. Nothing at all on the subject. I want to start doing art/craft shows but don't know how to build or where to buy the supplies to build a display. We will be going to a couple of shows with a critical eye. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:00:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:16:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: glassgirl.com!"jenny" From: "Jennifer S. Geldard" <"jenny"@glassgirl.com> To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------996155A444C811BA80652596" Subject: Re: Digital cameras and glass Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:13:21 -0500 Message-ID: <199903122214.QAA28327@cts.ctsserver.com> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990312083447.00951970@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Organization: glassgirl's Studio Precedence: bulk --------------996155A444C811BA80652596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Steve...not sure what you mean by low end, but the pics on my site were done with a Sony Mavica... They're O.K... my best pictures have been taken outside in natural light.. The Jerry Garcia was taken inside at a window.The great thing about the camera is the ablility to upload the pics to the web within minutes of finishing a piece..I love it. -Jenny My site is http://www.glassgirl.com Steve Wernecke wrote: > Can anyone report on experiences using low-end digital cameras to > photograph glass projects. If the destination for the pictures is the web > rather than brochures the lower resolution (compared to film) shouldn't > matter that much. Or does it? I'm not a photographer, and I can imagine > wasting a lot of money on film and development trying to come up with a > reasonable lighting setup. The instant feedback of digital would also save > time. > > Steve > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------996155A444C811BA80652596 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Steve...not sure what you mean by low end, but the pics on my site were done with a Sony Mavica... They're O.K... my best pictures have been taken outside in natural light.. The Jerry Garcia was taken inside at a window.The great thing about the camera is the ablility to upload the pics to the web within minutes of finishing a piece..I love it.

-Jenny
My site is http://www.glassgirl.com

Steve Wernecke wrote:

Can anyone report on experiences using low-end digital cameras to
photograph glass projects.  If the destination for the pictures is the web
rather than brochures the lower resolution (compared to film) shouldn't
matter that much.  Or does it?  I'm not a photographer, and I can imagine
wasting a lot of money on film and development trying to come up with a
reasonable lighting setup.  The instant feedback of digital would also save
time.

Steve
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--------------996155A444C811BA80652596-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:13:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:45:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Sue Prullage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:50:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.105010.0> References: <<1999Mar12.53635.0>> Precedence: bulk > Suzanne, I agree with you it really is a trial. Just this am I got >up on my day off and put on good cloths and makeup to meet with an >interior designer. I only wore my good jeans. (no holes in the knees) My eyes did itch a little having mascara on though! My friend and I were laughing at how I asked her if I had too much makeup on! I dont wear much latley, and so to wear eyeshadow and mascara makes me feel... odd! >She wasn't the least bit helpful or impressed. The whole interview >took about 3 minutes. I felt very let down. I am supposed to call an interior designer back to make an appointment with her. She seemed very nice on the phone. I have decided to approach her as **not** trying to make a sale, but just to introduce myself, and show her some things that I do, and if she ever thinks some glass would be called for, perhaps she will remember me...and give me a call! That way, she doesnt have anything to say no to, and someday she *may* give me a call. If I dont go introduce myself, She will *never* call me. >Then I went into a new >coffee/gift shop. I was really only going in >for some coffee to booster myself. The owner was very friendly and >helpful. By the time I left I had coffee and a possible relationship >of making glass for her gift boxes. One can never tell. YEA!!!! That's great!! >We only have to keep trying. You are right! And...dont forget "The little engine that could" (sorry) >Next step is to approach builders. I can >imagine this is going to be >a similiar experience to the interior >decorator, but one never know. That is too scary a proposition for me, at this point in my experience. I feel like if they were wanting some SG, it is probably something that is over my head and ability. >>Thanks for listening, Sue. Hey, *thank you* for your recent encouraging email! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:14:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:50:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Jim Gonzalez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ungar irons Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:50:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.125051.0> References: <<1999Mar12.111226.0>> Precedence: bulk Jim Gonzalez wrote: > > I'd like to get a new Ungar iron but I'm not sure what to order. I think > they come in parts - handle, heater & tip. But I'm not sure. Can anyone > help me with the specifics of what I need to get. Part numbers would be > helpful. The glassmart.com lists the handle (#7760) and 45 watt heater > (#4033S) but no tip. > Thanks, > Jim > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't know the numbers, but i like the one that has a 1 piece heater unit with seperate handle. the one with the screw on tip does'nt heat up very well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:25:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:25:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mixing apples and oranges....sigh. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:25:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.222517.0> Precedence: bulk I have either got to start getting more sleep... stop reading certain newsgroups... or get my head examined... Presently I have newsgroups that include stained glass.. Linux...and Unix... Windows...and Dos...etc.. Well after reading one glass group's messages about restoration and repairs,and installation...I went to another group and responded to someone who only mentioned that their windows broke and they didn't know where to start... ..........helpful me, chided them to be more specific...like if they were lead or foiled...how old they were....the type of glass,etc. Well I got back a personal reply to get my head examined...he also mentioned that he only wanted to be able to boot so he could reinstall Windows 98......sigh... I guess there are different types of windows...and different types of installation...and repairs... Oh well I'm still getting over having mixed up glass@intrastar.net.. and glass@bungi.com....(yes it was ME who posted about the contest.. in the wrong group!!)...another sigh... Lets see know how am I going to patina that DOS program.??? Daniel in Oregon... -- ---Cogito ergo spud........I think therefore I yam.--- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:28:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:01:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bungi list Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:05:24 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.17524.0> Precedence: bulk Steve, I got my list, thanks for all your work. It looks great. Thanks - Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:29:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:35:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: internet question Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:27:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.122738.0> References: <<1999Mar12.20304.0>> Precedence: bulk PDRUSS@aol.com wrote: > > Why is it that when you fill out a form on some sites they ask you not just > for your address, they ask for adress1, address 2 and sometimes address 3? > > Sorry my house only has one adddress. > > Dianne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that part is for multiple parts. 111 vermont st - suite 3 - floor 5 can be an example. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:40:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:41:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: website for "nglass" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:41:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar12.7410.0> Precedence: bulk I have enjoyed the NGLASS site, but can no longer access it from my original bookmark. Help? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:44:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:56:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bungi Location List Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:59:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.95938.0> References: <<1999Mar12.9385.0>> Precedence: bulk > What a treat, Steve.... got my list! Wow. I agree, Dani, it is a real treat! Thanks for all the work you have put into it, Steve! It is really cool to be able to look at the list, and have the names and email addresses, *and* know where the people are! T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:47:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:48:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:36:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199903130049.AAA03007@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, Patrick! That's what you get with tooo much worry about tu-tu fittings and malfunctioning gnomens. Toby Tobias has just shed his heavy winter coat..... he is VERY alert, lively ....and H U N G R Y....!! Any Bios this weekend?? I am still deaf as a post, but my world is turning around, not least because of Spring when ALL Swedes wake up from hibernation; also because there is just so many wonderful things about to happen JUST round the corner!! Elisabeth 'n (skinny) Toby in UK (The former just chomping at the bit!!) > Did I happen to stumble into a different newsgroup. I thought I typed exotic > glass and instead I got erotic *a_ _ > LOL. Welcome back Brit Chick ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 18:58:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:01:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:58:32 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199903122159.PAA12739@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk snip>>Probably half of what I have at my shop! Ha! I'm thinking about = trying one of these myself.< Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:55:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:05:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.8519.0> Precedence: bulk >>Given the high costs of the gallery business, the internet will have it's impact.<< I hope I am wrong on this one but I predict the internet gallery business is likely to be slow forever. Reviewing a web site is a poor substitute for visiting a gallery and seeing the work in the flesh. True, perhaps the majority of the population can not conviently visit a gallery now and the web offers an opportunity for them to view works of art. That does not mean that they will come and buy. Presently they seem to find their needs at the home club and other local resources. There they can see and inspect up close what they are investing in. A name artist with a product theme might do well and take in business that would otherwise not come their way without having a web site. In this case the buyers have a pretty good idea of what they are paying for and may not feel a need to inspect it before purchase. Most such work is never underpriced compared to gallery offerings. It is not uncommon for galleries to have an agreement with artists that prohibits underpricing. This makes good business sense. I do not think that booksellers like Amazon.com have a business that compares with the business of fine art. Let's be generous and include stained glass in fine art. Just some food for thought. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 19:00:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:16:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com, Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Digital cameras and glass Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:15:14 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990312201514.008da100@pop.racsa.co.cr> Precedence: bulk Dear Steve and all, I have a Sony Mavica which puts the pictures on a diskette. I LOVE it. Both for photo sketching in the field, and for taking shots of finished projects. I find that the instant feedback in really nice. Also for webpages it would be good enough. I print out copies 4x5 or so, for my photo album, and that works great too. For larger prints mostly the resolution isn=A1t good enough. Since this is the case, anyone curious abou= t what I am up to down here, can let me know, and I will email you a few photos, so you can see. I don't want to put them on the chatline. It might mess up someones computor, and Mac users have to know how to use Mac Link or something to translate them. The camera also has black and white setting, sepia setting, negative and solarize settings (which I haven't figured out what to do with). Last summer these cameras were going for $850 by Dec I was able to find one on the net for $550, and by now they may be down more. I also enjoy the larger viewing screen. Any more questions? Meg At 08:34 AM 3/12/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Can anyone report on experiences using low-end digital cameras to >photograph glass projects. If the destination for the pictures is the web >rather than brochures the lower resolution (compared to film) shouldn't >matter that much. Or does it? I'm not a photographer, and I can imagine >wasting a lot of money on film and development trying to come up with a >reasonable lighting setup. The instant feedback of digital would also save >time. > >Steve >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL Apdo 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 19:29:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:57:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Fwd: "Bungi 101" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199903130216.VAA22178@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Here's the "Bungi 101" message written by Sparks. Everything you ever wanted to know about Bungi! In a message dated 1/21/99 6:34:29 AM, you wrote: >Hi-am new to stain glass and computer and can't figure out how I started getting >the e-mails of many sg people (clicked something somewhere somehow while surfing >sg when iced/snowed in for a week :-) The "something somewhere somehow" that you clicked on is the automatic signup for the stained glass list glass@bungi.com (or "bungi" for short) - the wild, wacky, wonderful world of stained-glass artists on the net. Everybody from "just started doing this a week ago" to "high-end pros" who build and restore church windows, make $10,000 museum- quality Tiffany reproductions, etc. Mostly regular stained glass (lead, copperfoil, or both), with a fair sprinkling of jewelers & hot-glass folk, lots of teachers, and even a retailer or two. It's sort of the "unofficial gathering place" of members of the International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA). My first guess is that you found the "signup place" on the IGGA web site. We're mostly "Amurricans" (or "Usonians" as Frank Lloyd Wright liked to say), but we've got several members in the British Isles, at least one in Central America, and others around the world, from Poland and Sweden to Japan and Malaysia. The list is home to people like "Bob the Dinosaur," "Patrick the Bio-master" (who solicits intro/bios from bungi members and posts a couple each weekend, in fact I still owe him one), and "Elisabeth 'n' Toby in England" (a Swedish-born leaded-glass artist and teacher and her big shaggy Old English Sheepdog housemate)...... People on this list are happy to answer questions, share experiences, offer suggestions, point you toward resources, celebrate with you over successful shows (or commiserate over lousy ones), anything to do with glass. I think we've got a pretty high degree of respect for newbies as well as old pros, so you should never be nervous about asking the list about anything, even if you think it's a Really Dumb Question. Any "newbie razzing" you get is good- natured, don't worry about it. I've also noticed that this list respects workable suggestions from newbies as well as old pros - that's *very* refreshing, and not all that common in the net world! There's no Ancient and Holy Hierarchy here. So if you've got an idea, don't be afraid to speak up...... We also do our share of off-topic banter (just like all groups of colleagues who become buddies). Some people do get annoyed about that, but most of us just figure, it's like the lunch-time chatter or the "water-cooler buzz." Seriously, how many people do you know who go to work and *only* talk about work all day? (I once worked for a guy like that. It sucked.) A lot of us have been whacked-out from "Silly Season" in which we literally "make Xmas" for a lot of other people, so the off-topic stuff has been running kind of high. In the metropolitan Phila. PA. area where I am, I know at least 4 other bungi members besides myself and have met 3 of those in person (and have worked with/for 2 of them). Lots of other folks on the list have met other glass artists "right in their own back yard" via bungi. The most exciting news is that some of our local people have banded together to bring Elisabeth (sorry, no Toby) over to the states this summer to appear at Warner-Crivellaro's "Glass Visions" event in August (as well as several other US locations) for demonstrations & master classes in leaded glass work. >Am interested in interacting but do not know how to send a message to any of you. The owner of this list (Glenna Rand) has it set up so that when you hit "reply" it will send a message back to the person who posted, not to the whole list. In order to send mail to the list, you have to deliberately address it to glass@bungi.com The other "administrivia" appears at the bottom of all bungi posts: For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass The listserver they're using does one pretty confusing thing: sometimes you'll get something that's a reply to someone else's posting, but nowhere in the address list will it say it's to glass@bungi.com - it will just say it's to so-and-so and you get a "bcc" (blind or background copy). But the "administrivia notices" at the end of the posting are a dead giveaway. If someone replied to you personally, it won't have that notice at the bottom. > Picked you (hope you do not mind) Don't mind at all........ Anyone on the list will tell you that I've got something to say about everything, and nobody ever had to beat my opinion out of me! >for information (and explanation as to how I >got all the e-mail (which I enjoy) in the first place. Thanks. You're welcome, and welcome aboard! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 20:30:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:34:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Toby" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:34:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.153431.0> Precedence: bulk "E" deaf as a post? ..... hmmmmmm, are you also mute and own a liquor store? If so please email me privately for a Long Term Relationship......ROFLMAO Toby is thin???? No wonder he hasn't been able to get any Irish Stew lately. And he won't get any this weekend either.... bios will be posted. PS To all of you lurkers..... I am safe for this weekend. But please send me your bios for posting.... that svelte Old English Sheepdog is still after me ..... and my visa for France has been denied (such arrogance). I know I will regret this .... but.... Get Well "E" we need your banter, insight, and god awful recipes....LOL -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: Re: NG / Non-Glass / God Save the Queen! >Well, Patrick! >That's what you get with tooo much worry about tu-tu fittings and >malfunctioning gnomens. >Toby Tobias has just shed his heavy winter coat..... he is VERY >alert, lively ....and H U N G R Y....!! >Any Bios this weekend?? >I am still deaf as a post, but my world is turning around, not least >because of Spring when ALL Swedes wake up from hibernation; also >because there is just so many wonderful things about to happen JUST >round the corner!! >Elisabeth 'n (skinny) Toby in UK (The former just chomping at the >bit!!) > >> Did I happen to stumble into a different newsgroup. I thought I typed exotic >> glass and instead I got erotic *a_ _ >> LOL. Welcome back Brit Chick >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 20:45:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:42:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glob lamp contest Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:41:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.17413.0> Precedence: bulk Hey, lets do it. Who's going to sponsor this contest... and promote it? When's the deadline for entry? We need a Glob-lamp Director. And a jury. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 20:56:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:43:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bob E Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Selling myself.... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.17410.0> Precedence: bulk I think the Internet will do a smash business selling unlimited edition prints and all kinds of mass production stuff. And a seriously competitive gallery will have to have an online "gallery". But pricey original and one-of-a-kind art will continue to sell in the traditional way for a long, long time to come. It takes folks a long time to change especially when there are big bucks involved. Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 21:00:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:53:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fwd: "Bungi 101" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:51:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.175131.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks intro really is good and I wonder if she would update it to explain the NG and maybe how to visit the archives for past threads on frequently discussed subjects. Then maybe we should make it a point to post Bungi 101 on the 1st of each month for all our newcomers. What say? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 21:12:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:21:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:24:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.162432.0> Precedence: bulk >"Patrick the Bio-master" (who solicits intro/bios from bungi members and posts a couple >each weekend, in fact I still owe him one Hhhahahhahaha! "The Bio-Master"?!?!!!!! I love it! It just struck me as funny.... the kind of job the requires black leather clothes, and a riding crop! "I am the BIO-MASTER"!!!!! I'm thinkin maybe they'll have Swartzeneigger, play Patrick in: BUNGI: THE BIO MASTER! (can you IMAGINE Arnold's tutu?!) Thanks for the giggle Sparks! Blake :-) P.S. - Nex summer in a theaters everywyere.... BUNGI-2... The Horror Continues! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 21:24:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:21:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Pkelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:26:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.16266.0> References: <<009501be6d00$6291c320$b3ee18d0@708714093>> Precedence: bulk My husband has been asking me every night about *sales*, etc...I handed him a bunch of my cards and told him to put one on every board at work! lol...I figure who knows, they are one of the biggest employers in Tulsa, maybe out of all their employees I might get a call? who knows...maybe I should make a flyer with pictures and have him put that up in all the employee only areas at American. Suzanne > I told you ... you never know where your next sale will come from. Now if > someone buys one from the Coffee Shop and you have your card in >it......possible more customers. -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 22:03:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:08:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:10:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.171044.0> References: <<1999Mar12.17413.0>> Precedence: bulk > > Hey, lets do it. Who's going to sponsor this contest... and promote > it? When's the deadline for entry? We need a Glob-lamp Director. > And a jury. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios I want to do it, but I really want to compete against you Dani! NOT! ;o) Ummmmmmm...say have levels to buffer experience levels? T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 22:16:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:47:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bungi list Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.184736.0> Precedence: bulk thanks Steve..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 22:30:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:16:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Kaye Sodt" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:13:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.131313.0> Precedence: bulk >>This is getting funny. One guy asks a question, and suddenly potential glob lamps are springing up coast to coast! (We should have a contest.) Kaye<< I once repaired a 16" diameter dome lamp that was made from geode slices that were about 2" in diameter. It was very heavy and did not look like much what with all the solder that joined the 2" circles. When lighted it was a real treat and well worth the effort of whoever made it. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 22:31:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:02:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:59:55 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.45955.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, I know that Canfield used to have very good solder. Look at the price they charge. Perhaps it is a bad batch. Have you notified the wholesaler? Perhaps they have had other complaints. I would really try to have it replaced. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 22:32:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:43:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:48:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.134834.0> References: <<1999Mar12.162432.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk NO No No It will require a mad scientist in a tu-tu. You know bionics!?? Shirley B Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: > > >"Patrick the Bio-master" (who solicits intro/bios from bungi members and > posts a couple > >each weekend, in fact I still owe him one > > Hhhahahhahaha! > > "The Bio-Master"?!?!!!!! > I love it! > It just struck me as funny.... > the kind of job the requires black leather clothes, and a riding crop! > > "I am the BIO-MASTER"!!!!! > > I'm thinkin maybe they'll have Swartzeneigger, play Patrick in: > BUNGI: THE BIO MASTER! > (can you IMAGINE Arnold's tutu?!) > > Thanks for the giggle Sparks! > > Blake > :-) > P.S. - Nex summer in a theaters everywyere.... BUNGI-2... The Horror > Continues! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 22:42:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:45:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Just wanted to share Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:50:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.135010.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk It sure is easier to drill holes in plywood, when you have the drill in the forward position!!!! Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 22:52:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:14:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:14:00 -0800 Message-ID: <199903130614.WAA27576@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Hey, lets do it. Who's going to sponsor this contest... and promote >it? When's the deadline for entry? We need a Glob-lamp Director. >And a jury. And I can just see Patrick adding this to his costume...using it sort of like a parasol for balance during the pas de doo in his glass tutut. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 23:07:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:49:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:55:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.13553.0> References: <<1999Mar12.17413.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Why not have Elisabeth judge them, while she is on the "E" tour. She could tolerate a little more pressure during her trip. Don't you all think? Shirley B Why do you never see little Teepees out back in western movies or real life pictures for that matter? Dani Greer wrote: > > Hey, lets do it. Who's going to sponsor this contest... and promote > it? When's the deadline for entry? We need a Glob-lamp Director. > And a jury. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 23:39:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:19:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fwd: "Bungi 101" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199903130618.WAA28204@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hey, if anyone ever updates this, how about including the 15 or so of us from Canada???? C. >Here's the "Bungi 101" message written by Sparks. Everything you ever >wanted to know about Bungi! > > >In a message dated 1/21/99 6:34:29 AM, you wrote: > >>Hi-am new to stain glass and computer and can't figure out how I started >getting >>the e-mails of many sg people (clicked something somewhere somehow while >surfing >>sg when iced/snowed in for a week :-) > >The "something somewhere somehow" that you clicked on is the automatic >signup >for the stained glass list > > glass@bungi.com > >(or "bungi" for short) - the wild, wacky, wonderful world of stained-glass >artists on the net. Everybody from "just started doing this a week ago" to >"high-end pros" who build and restore church windows, make $10,000 museum- >quality Tiffany reproductions, etc. Mostly regular stained glass (lead, >copperfoil, or both), with a fair sprinkling of jewelers & hot-glass folk, >lots of teachers, and even a retailer or two. It's sort of the "unofficial >gathering place" of members of the International Guild of Glass Artists >(IGGA). My first guess is that you found the "signup place" on the IGGA >web >site. > >We're mostly "Amurricans" (or "Usonians" as Frank Lloyd Wright liked to >say), >but we've got several members in the British Isles, at least one in >Central >America, and others around the world, from Poland and Sweden to Japan and >Malaysia. The list is home to people like "Bob the Dinosaur," "Patrick the >Bio-master" (who solicits intro/bios from bungi members and posts a couple >each weekend, in fact I still owe him one), and "Elisabeth 'n' Toby in >England" (a Swedish-born leaded-glass artist and teacher and her big >shaggy >Old English Sheepdog housemate)...... > >People on this list are happy to answer questions, share experiences, >offer >suggestions, point you toward resources, celebrate with you over >successful >shows (or commiserate over lousy ones), anything to do with glass. I think >we've got a pretty high degree of respect for newbies as well as old >pros, so >you should never be nervous about asking the list about anything, even if >you >think it's a Really Dumb Question. Any "newbie razzing" you get is good- >natured, don't worry about it. I've also noticed that this list respects >workable suggestions from newbies as well as old pros - that's *very* >refreshing, and not all that common in the net world! There's no Ancient >and >Holy Hierarchy here. So if you've got an idea, don't be afraid to speak >up...... > >We also do our share of off-topic banter (just like all groups of >colleagues >who become buddies). Some people do get annoyed about that, but most of us >just figure, it's like the lunch-time chatter or the "water-cooler buzz." >Seriously, how many people do you know who go to work and *only* talk >about >work all day? (I once worked for a guy like that. It sucked.) A lot of us >have >been whacked-out from "Silly Season" in which we literally "make Xmas" >for a >lot of other people, so the off-topic stuff has been running kind of high. > >In the metropolitan Phila. PA. area where I am, I know at least 4 other >bungi >members besides myself and have met 3 of those in person (and have worked >with/for 2 of them). Lots of other folks on the list have met other glass >artists "right in their own back yard" via bungi. The most exciting news >is >that some of our local people have banded together to bring Elisabeth >(sorry, >no Toby) over to the states this summer to appear at Warner-Crivellaro's >"Glass Visions" event in August (as well as several other US locations) >for >demonstrations & master classes in leaded glass work. > >>Am interested in interacting but do not know how to send a message to any of >you. > >The owner of this list (Glenna Rand) has it set up so that when you hit >"reply" it will send a message back to the person who posted, not to the >whole >list. In order to send mail to the list, you have to deliberately address >it >to > > glass@bungi.com > >The other "administrivia" appears at the bottom of all bungi posts: > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >The listserver they're using does one pretty confusing thing: sometimes >you'll >get something that's a reply to someone else's posting, but nowhere in the >address list will it say it's to glass@bungi.com - it will just say it's >to >so-and-so and you get a "bcc" (blind or background copy). But the >"administrivia notices" at the end of the posting are a dead giveaway. If >someone replied to you personally, it won't have that notice at the >bottom. > >> Picked you (hope you do not mind) > >Don't mind at all........ Anyone on the list will tell you that I've got >something to say about everything, and nobody ever had to beat my opinion >out >of me! > >>for information (and explanation as to how I >>got all the e-mail (which I enjoy) in the first place. Thanks. > >You're welcome, and welcome aboard! > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 12 23:52:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:39:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: caltel.com!hagler From: hagler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:26:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.142612.0> Organization: My Glass Shop Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 00:41:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:49:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tracing a picture Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:37:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.153751.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I have been working on tracing a picture of a angel guarding two children crossing a old bridge. I was wondering if anyone out there in bungi land has done something similar, and could offer some insights or perhaps take a moment to take a look at the tracing and point out how the lines to the edge out to be done, and any other problems that they might see.? The file size is about 930K zipped so far (500pixels wide), will send to whoever will offer to help. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 01:04:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:12:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Leslye Nelson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: display stands for shows Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:01:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.16118.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.displayoptions.com/ http://www.thomasregional.com/ncts/tsi/index.html Try also Popular Mechanics magazine site, they have a lot of plans to build all sorts of stuff. http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/homei/1HOMEEI.html Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org -----Original Message----- From: Leslye Nelson To: Bungi Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 06:27 PM Subject: display stands for shows |I was surprised last night when I was unable to find any sites on how to |build a display stand for stained glass at art shows. Nothing at all on |the subject. |I want to start doing art/craft shows but don't know how to build or |where to buy the supplies to build a display. |We will be going to a couple of shows with a critical eye. Any other |suggestions? | |Thanks, |Leslye | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 01:08:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:15:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: the glob lamp thing... Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 02:19:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar12.201944.0> Precedence: bulk I think it would be cool for a bunch of us to do some shades and show each other. I am not really into competing...**Especially** here! ;o) I wouldnt want to be judged against *any of you. I dont think it is real healthy for friendships to compete *against* each other. I do think it would be fun to do some of these, and see what we each come up with. Another thought... If it was a competition, I wouldnt be allowed to ask advice in the middle of it! ;o) Tulsa Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 04:42:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:20:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Suzanne Subject: Re: the glob lamp thing... Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:18:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.111838.0> References: <<1999Mar12.201944.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Suz, OF COURSE, you can ask for advice in the middle of a competition here. It is in the spirit of the list - to help extend skills and knowledge, and sometimes entertain. So if there is a competition, I hope everybody would feel free to ask questions about techniques, etc. Steve In message <1999Mar12.201944.0@?>, Suzanne writes >I think it would be cool for a bunch of us to do some shades and show >each other. I am not really into competing...**Especially** here! ;o) > >I wouldnt want to be judged against *any of you. I dont think it is >real healthy for friendships to compete *against* each other. I do >think it would be fun to do some of these, and see what we each come up >with. >Another thought... >If it was a competition, I wouldnt be allowed to ask advice in the >middle of it! ;o) > >Tulsa Suz -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 04:59:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:19:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@intrastar.net Subject: Mica for stipple glass Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:10:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.111012.0> References: <<36E9CCC0.9B795AD0@northnet.org>> Precedence: bulk I have a question about creating "stipple" glass. It seems the stipple glass created by Pilkingtons is much more coarse than the glass of the similar texture made up to about 1930. I have read that stippled glass can be created by sprinkling powdered mica on the surface of the hydrofluoric acid while on the glass. Has any one had experience or advice on this method. (I already know about the many safety precautions required) Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 05:08:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:20:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Dani Greer Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:11:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.111147.0> References: <<1999Mar12.17413.0@?>> Precedence: bulk If its going to be done, have a VERY long time scale. These things are very time consuming. The one I watched took one year (part-time) to build. Steve In message <1999Mar12.17413.0@?>, Dani Greer writes >Hey, lets do it. Who's going to sponsor this contest... and promote >it? When's the deadline for entry? We need a Glob-lamp Director. >And a jury. > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 05:08:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:20:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.105824.0> References: <<199903120112.RAA17436@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Yes, it does depend on the size, but using a mixing bowl will take about 300 to 400 small globs. Steve In message <199903120112.RAA17436@oceanus.island.net>, Carol Swann writes >I'm getting intrigued with the idea of making one of these...anybody got an >estimate of how many pounds (or hundreds) of globs I'll need to order to >have enough? > >C. > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >http://come.to/The_E-Tour > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 05:18:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:37:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Blake, Wayne, & Susan'" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bungi-The Bio Master Was: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.24015.0> Precedence: bulk Or Arnold's gnomens.......? :) Blake said: I'm thinkin maybe they'll have Swartzeneigger, play Patrick in: BUNGI: THE BIO MASTER! (can you IMAGINE Arnold's tutu?!) Thanks for the giggle Sparks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 05:28:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:46:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:46:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.124613.0> Precedence: bulk Blake, Thanks so much for your input on : "The Bio Master"! Made me laugh first thing in the morning, which is a real feat!! Lenore P.S. When did you come onboard? You act as if you have been here, on bungi for years!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 05:39:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:29:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Bud Britt'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Tracing a picture Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:31:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.23144.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, I'd be glad to look at it, not just to help you but to learn what you are doing and how. I have designed a few panels so I may be of help. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt [SMTP:computerministry@unitytustin.org] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 1999 2:38 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Tracing a picture Hello Everyone, I have been working on tracing a picture of a angel guarding two children crossing a old bridge. I was wondering if anyone out there in bungi land has done something similar, and could offer some insights or perhaps take a moment to take a look at the tracing and point out how the lines to the edge out to be done, and any other problems that they might see.? The file size is about 930K zipped so far (500pixels wide), will send to whoever will offer to help. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 06:16:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 05:21:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:19:23 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.131923.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, Yes, Patrick is right! You never know from where your next commission will come. The cards at your husband's work place is a great idea. I have gotten work thru my husband's workplace and he didn't even post cards. I don't believe he can. Better than the photos would be the brochure or some photos of your glass work that you mentioned. As we know, people are so attracted to pictures!!!! Why not go for it! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 06:26:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 05:23:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netphase.net!deskins From: Lou Deskins To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: FW: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <199903131323.IAA16554@www.netphase.net> Precedence: bulk This is my second attempt at trying to send something to the "bungi" board... lol - I guess Suzy and Dani were the only ones to get the first one... a hint to newbies.. don't hit the "reply all" button...it isn't the right one..... (learning) Lou > From: Lou Deskins > To: Dani Greer , "suzy@comcat.com" > Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:14:17 -0500 > >This is my first post on the "bungi" board..... It is the first time - I >have figured out - who all you ppl are. Thank you for the >introduction - and I think the once a month thingy for newcomers is a >terrific idea. By the way - I have been doing glass for about 14 years now >- and have just moved from the west coast of Canada to W. V. ... and had to >give my daughter all my glass.... so - here I am starting over - no >patterns.. no suppliers (close by) trying to figure this all out. Meanwhile >- it is nice to meet y'all (that was my new sawthern accent ) >Lou > >"If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing." > > >---------- >> From: Dani Greer >> To: "suzy@comcat.com" >> Subject: Fwd: "Bungi 101" >> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:51:31 -0500 >> >>Sparks intro really is good and I wonder if she would update it to >>explain the NG and maybe how to visit the archives for past threads >>on frequently discussed subjects. Then maybe we should make it >>a point to post Bungi 101 on the 1st of each month for all our >>newcomers. What say? >> >>Best regards, >> >>Dani Greer >>Greer Gallery & Studios >>www.igga.org/greer/ = >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 07:20:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 05:59:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Digital cameras and glass Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:53:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990313085354.00696d00@scci.net> References: <<3.0.5.32.19990312201514.008da100@pop.racsa.co.cr>> Precedence: bulk Hi Richard, Could you tell me what printer you are using to print your digital camera pictures? Thanks, Melissa At 08:15 PM 3/12/99 -0600, you wrote: >Dear Steve and all, > I have a Sony Mavica which puts the pictures on a diskette. I LOVE it. >Both for photo sketching in the field, and for taking shots of finished >projects. I find that the instant feedback in really nice. Also for >webpages it would be good enough. I print out copies 4x5 or so, for my >photo album, and that works great too. For larger prints mostly the >resolution isn=A1t good enough. Since this is the case, anyone curious abou= >t >what I am up to down here, can let me know, and I will email you a few >photos, so you can see. I don't want to put them on the chatline. It >might mess up someones computor, and Mac users have to know how to use Mac >Link or something to translate them. The camera also has black and white >setting, sepia setting, negative and solarize settings (which I haven't >figured out what to do with). Last summer these cameras were going for >$850 by Dec I was able to find one on the net for $550, and by now they may >be down more. I also enjoy the larger viewing screen. Any more >questions? Meg > >At 08:34 AM 3/12/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>Can anyone report on experiences using low-end digital cameras to >>photograph glass projects. If the destination for the pictures is the web >>rather than brochures the lower resolution (compared to film) shouldn't >>matter that much. Or does it? I'm not a photographer, and I can imagine >>wasting a lot of money on film and development trying to come up with a >>reasonable lighting setup. The instant feedback of digital would also save >>time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 07:37:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:11:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: "Molly Keys" To: "Bud Britt" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tracing a picture Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:08:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.285.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Brian, The picture you are talking about is the Guardian Angel watching over the Children as they cross the bridge of eternity. I did a commission last year for a lady and the window is 52"x55". I would be happy to share the pattern with you via snail mail or e-mail you a photo of the window. Send me your address if you would like the pattern. Hope this helps. Molly -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 2:53 AM Subject: Tracing a picture >Hello Everyone, > >I have been working on tracing a picture of a angel guarding two children >crossing a old bridge. I was wondering if anyone out there in bungi land has >done something similar, and could offer some insights or perhaps take a >moment to take a look at the tracing and point out how the lines to the edge >out to be done, and any other problems that they might see.? > >The file size is about 930K zipped so far (500pixels wide), will send to >whoever will offer to help. > > >Sincerely, >Bud Britt >computerministry@unitytustin.org > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 07:53:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:25:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: SUBSCRIBE!!! Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:22:51 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.142251.0> Precedence: bulk May I please have my "bungi" back? Thank you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 08:09:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:39:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:11:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990313091153.006a0fe0@scci.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds too much like going to the dentists I suppose... Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 08:21:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:05:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: restrip Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:59:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990313085909.0069b7f4@scci.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Mike Savad mentioned that there weren't enough questions going around so I thought I send some... What's a good way to way to determine when you foiled panel has gotten too big and you will need restrip? Melissa >the NG thing is new (some people were peeved at the non glass things). >basically ask a question get an answer. i don't think there is a real >FAQ to this group. you would'nt be inturupting anything if you ask >something in the middle of some other banter. the other NG stuff is >there because not too many people are asking questions. >---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 08:36:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:44:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com, Richard LaVal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Digital cameras and glass Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:36:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.33631.0> Precedence: bulk >>Can anyone report on experiences using low-end digital cameras to >>photograph glass projects. If the destination for the pictures is the web >>rather than brochures the lower resolution (compared to film) shouldn't >>matter that much. Or does it? I bought a Casio mid-level digital several years ago - specifically to photograph my dogs and glass. I'm happy with it, I *will* upgrade to a higher quality in the future - but for now it works for what I need. >>The instant feedback of digital would also save time. That's the best part. You can see if you need to change the direction of the shot to get a better picture - right now... instead of wasting film and time. Paula Nelson pjnelson@glassdogstudio.com http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 08:50:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:25:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:11:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199903131525.PAA12219@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, What I tend to do with solder, the origins of which I am doubtful about, is to rub it down with a bit of wire wool before I use it. Tried that? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Jenny wrote: > I had the exact same problem with Canfield.... hated it...I'd assumed until now it > was just the lead free version.Since I've been using Fry...I haven't had single > gunking-up problem. I called a company named Johnson Manufacturing on referral > from another stained glass artist for a lead-free solder and flux paste that > supposedly takes a patina beautifully...will keep you all posted! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 08:53:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:25:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:11:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199903131525.PAA12216@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, 'n especially Dani, Over the years I've got so fed up with cleaning brushes after cementing (I dunked them in a tub filled with white spirit and a lid over the tub). What I tend to use these days (another array of Elisabeth's strange tools) is an ordinary cheapo stiff toothbrush, which I can throw away afterwords. Might sound slow, but isn't really. It eliminates having to clean the bigger more expensive brushes. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > In message <1999Mar9.94926.0@?>, Dani Greer > writes > >Does anyone have a special trick to keep their cement brushes soft betwee= > >n > >putty jobs?? > > Steve Richards replied: > Submerge the brush in water. It drains off quickly, although the wooden > parts will rot after a while. > Alternatively (I've had to stop this because of fire regulations) leave > the brush in white spirit (turpentine?). It will need a little drying > out on newspaper, but it works. > Lately, though I have just been using the cement brush to deal with > the fininshing. The whiting takes up a lot of the cement between the > fibres, and the action of the bristles forces most of the cement out > from between the fibres, leaving a brush ready to use. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 09:06:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:26:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fwd: "Bungi 101" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:11:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199903131525.PAA12210@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk I think this is an EXCELLENT idea Dani!! Clever clogs!! ;-> Who shall we bulldoze into remembering to post it periodically?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dani wrote: > Sparks intro really is good and I wonder if she would update it to > explain the NG and maybe how to visit the archives for past threads > on frequently discussed subjects. Then maybe we should make it > a point to post Bungi 101 on the 1st of each month for all our > newcomers. What say? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 09:27:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:55:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fwd: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:54:00 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.15540.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 12:01:12 AM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com wrote: >Sparks intro really is good and I wonder if she would update it to >explain the NG and maybe how to visit the archives for past threads >on frequently discussed subjects. Gee, folks, I'm flattered! And I do need to make a few corrections soon anyway -- this time I'll acknowledge all you "sexy Canucks" out there (with apologies to Carol Swann and thanks for pointing out my glaring oversight). Also need to retire Bob the Dinosaur (although his spirit still lives on). As for the archives, I personally can't download a lot of the old whole-month ones 'cause my computer chokes when a file gets up to about 2.5mb. Haven't been in to check out Albert's compilation, gotta do that too. Sparks (Help, I'm typing and I can't stop!!!!!!!!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 09:50:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:55:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:54:08 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.15548.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 12:13:39 AM, gecko@ipa.net wrote: >P.S. - Nex summer in a theaters everywyere.... BUNGI-2... The Horror >Continues! Followed by: BUNGI 3: walking on Broken Glass (with sound track by Annie Lennox, of course..... how appropriate that her last name is so close to the name of a famous china & crystal manufacturer!) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 09:55:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:42:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG: Spring has sproing...!! Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:40:39 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.154039.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/12/99 8:46:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, dro@teleport.com writes: << Also I just noticed I've got tit-willows in the backyard corner... and the camelias are starting to bossom as well...hmmmmmmmmmm... Daniel in Oregon... >> I love spring. Daffodils are one of my favorites. When we lived in Williamsburg, VA, the city planted daffodils by the thousands along the side of I-64. We went out yesterday and bought about 4 large bushes for the garden along with some bedding flowers and herbs. I haven't been able to find lavender yet. I've been looking for a while. Dianne Jacksonville, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 10:10:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:10:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Archives index Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:59:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.155958.0> Precedence: bulk I'd like your opinion on the following index of the current bungi archives. This resulted from wanting to refer back to something I had not kept. But I found over 500 pages of material. This means that the archive is not a useful source to do anything other than browse. So I decided to use my indexing skills to do a quick (! - Not quick - over 4 hours for this) and dirty index, by taking the subject headings and modifying them very little, adding the date and message ID, since the archives are organised by date, to give a reference aid to finding the message. This is an index to techniques, tips, patterns, sites, history. All the non glass material has been excluded, except where the subject heading was retained while the usual banter continued, concealed by the sober heading. It may be that the FAQ is seen to be enough for the recording of the large amount of useful information held here. If so, please tell me! There are a lot of other things I could do every month than spend 12-15 hours on indexing the archives, if this isn't really needed. Steve ----------- [ Section: 1/1 File: temp index bungi - mail.txt UUencoded by: Turnpike Version 4.01 ] begin 644 temp index bungi - mail.txt M8F5A9&UA:VEN9R!S=7!P;&EE2!D86YC97()1&%T93H@1G)I+"`P-2!-87(@,3DY.2`Q-3HT,3HP-2`M M,#4P,`E-97-S86=E+4E$.B`\,3DY.4UABY#;VU#050N0T]-/@D-"D)E;&QY(&1A M;F-E<@E$871E.B!3870L(#8@36%R(#$Y.3D@,#$Z-#,Z,3`@*S`P,#`)365S M2!K:71S('5S:6YG($-H:6YE M6]U(&-R869T97)S"41A=&4Z(%=E9"P@ M,3`@36%R(#$Y.3D@,C(Z-34Z-3,@+3`V,#`)365S2=S"41A=&4Z($UO;BP@,2!-87(@,3DY M.2`Q-CHU-3HQ.2!%4U0)"0T*9VQA6]N93\)1&%T93H@5'5E+"`R($UABY#;VU#050N0T]-/@D-"DIE=VES:"!4:&5M960@ M4&%T=&5R;G,@86YY;VYE/PE$871E.B!4=64L(#(@36%R(#$Y.3D@,3`Z,#`Z M,S$@+3`U,#`)365S&5S"41A=&4Z(%-U;BP@,#<@36%R(#$Y.3D@ M,3(Z,C(Z,C8@+3`U,#`)365S&5S"41A M=&4Z(%-U;BP@,#<@36%R(#$Y.3D@,3`Z,#`Z,3$@+3`X,#`)365S2!L86UP"41A=&4Z(%-A="P@-B!-87(@,3DY.2`Q-SHP M,SHR-R`K,#`P,`E-97-S86=E+4E$.B`\,3DY.3`S,#8Q-S$U+E)!03$X,CDW M0'-A='5R;BYN:6QD2!-96UB97(@5V5B(%-I=&4)1&%T93H@4W5N M+"`W($UA2!W;W)K("T@:61E;G1I9FEC871I;VX)1&%T M93H@5V5D+"`S($UA2!W;W)K("T@:61E;G1I9FEC871I;VX@86YD(')E M8V]R9',)1&%T93H@5'5E+"`R($UA2!T;R!086UE;&$)1&%T93H@5V5D M+"`S($UA2YA8VYS+FYW=2YE9'4^ M"0T*4U1)0TM)3D<@4$%45$523E,@5$\@1TQ!4U,)1&%T93H@5'5E+"`R($UA M Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:48:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:49:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.4494.0> Precedence: bulk >"The Bio-Master"?!?!!!!! >I love it! >It just struck me as funny.... >the kind of job the requires black leather clothes, and a riding crop! Hey ....... the leather thing was a passing phase of my life. Now its taffeta and tiaras...... But..... all of you lurkers had better send me your bios for posting...... or as Arnold says " I'll be back". Isn't Arnold Swedish and don't we know someone else like that (no name just the initial "E") ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 10:19:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:43:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Propane Soldering Iron? Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:42:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.64213.0> References: <<1999Mar8.23744.0>> Precedence: bulk > From: Tim Atwood [mailto:atwoods@aisl.bc.ca] > I have tried just about every hardware store in the BC Lower > Mainland. Best > I could find was the Bernz-O-Matic I mentioned before (from Home Depot). > Not adequate. > Tim, the following is from my Lee Valley Tools catalog: "Torch Soldering Kit" This 14-piece boxed kit can be used as a torch, soldering iron, or paint stripper. Holding 1 oz. (27 ml) of butane fuel (refillable), it will burn at 2300 degrees F (1300 C) with an open flame, 400 to 850 degrees F (200 to 450 C) with the soldering tip, or blow at 650 degrees F (350 C) with the blower head. The set includes the gas tank unit, a soldering head, a torch head, two blower tips, a hot knife tip, four assorted soldering tips, a wire support stand, a solder tip cleaning sponge, and a coil of solder. Ideal for making models or for many repair jobs. Torch is shipped empty. Part number 98K53.01 $25.75 The picture indicates the unit is tubular, about 7 inches long, and about 3/4" diameter for most of its length, except the tip. In other words, small and light enough to be used for hours on end. They also sell the following: "Hand Held Micro Torch" This hand-held micro torch has a piezoelectric ignition system, and is refillable using standard butane lighter fluid. The adjustable flame burns at 2300 degrees F and will last for over 2 hours per fill (3 oz of fuel). Easy push-start operation with safety lock, an off switch, and variable air intake. Torch is shipped empty. Part number 98K51.10 $25.75 This is more of a pistol-shaped deal with a plate at the bottom so you can stand it up. Larger and heavier than the other unit. These may require refueling too often to be useful to you, but I figured I'd let you make that decision. I tried to find these at the Lee Valley website http://www.leevalley.com but they don't seem to have the full catalog online. Try calling them at 800-871-8158 (they are in Ogdensburg, NY) Elizabeth Johnson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 10:30:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:53:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:53:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.4533.0> Precedence: bulk "pas de doo"? I think I stepped in that once. Or was that "pas de doo-doo" >>And I can just see Patrick adding this to his costume...using it sort of >like a parasol for balance during the pas de doo in his glass tutut. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 10:32:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:03:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.7346.0> Precedence: bulk >>> what is your most favorite and least favorite part of working on glass? Least favorite....sodering Favorite....the actual 'building' of a panel Until the snow melts, Take Care, Soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya's Witches' Thicket at.... http://www.cros.net/soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Whatever you are, be a good one. -- Abraham Lincoln ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 10:32:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:45:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:42:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.64244.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Melissa Hall >Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite an= d least favorite part of working on glass?< Most favorite: choosing the glass Least favorite: soldering Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 10:42:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:05:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #93 Darlene Hendler Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:05:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.5553.0> Precedence: bulk Well, I've been lurking long enough and I'm feeling guilty every time Patrick asks for bio's. So here is mine. While I was born here in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, My parents moved to Detroit, Michigan when I was just a youngster. I grew up there and married my (ex)husband and moved to Mt Clemens, Michigan. He had itchy feet so we moved to Wichita, Kansas. During this time we had two wonderful children and a fairly nice life. But guess what? He had itchy feet again and we moved back to my home town of Winnipeg. While here, we had another child and I was starting back at University. Well, he wanted to move again and guess what? I didn't. We split and I must say it was the best decision for me (and I believe for the kids). I managed to put myself through a Bachelors of Social Work Program and the Master's of Social Work Program, while raising three children. Back in 1973, my ex bought a stained glass kit with all of the pieces precut. It was at that time that I began to lust for stained glass. However, my longing had to wait until 1994 to find the money and the time for this wonderful hobby. While I'm still at the stage of using other peoples patterns and ideas, I love the hobby. I have a small studio in my basement with a decent sound system, all my tools and my glass, where I go to find contentment. Whenever I travel, I make a point of looking up stained glass shops and visiting because stained glass people are really neat, interesting and welcoming. So there you have it. I've gotten alot from lurking and hope one day to be as good as some of you. The beauty of this is that I'm not 50 yet and will have a long time to create. Darlene Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 10:44:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:11:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #94 Paula Nelson Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:11:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.51112.0> Precedence: bulk Editorial Note: Previous post regarding Bios >>relax with curlers in >their hair (not me of course), a glass of wine, fuzzy slippers, and a tattered old robe...>> Thought everyone wanted to know that I am not the only one who dresses like this.... By choice, my hair is too short for curlers -;) and I personally prefer a feather boa, bunny slippers, royal purple Victoria's Secret silk robe; cigarettes and Tia Maria at hand. Patrick Now for Paula's Bio I've been doing glass for about 8 years; a frustrated artist all my working life. who finally found a niche in glass design. My dad said that I couldn't eat art - so I had to pass on a scholarship. I suppose he was right - it's much more fulfilling now as I have the time and the finances to support my habit. I got started in glass after I had purchased a huge panel and took a good look at it. I realized, "I can do this" . I went to a continuing education class and drew my own design that the instructor just stood and stared at. Guess he thought it was a bit too much for a beginner... but I got her completed (a drawing of my goffin cockatoo, Piggles). I continued to teach myself and two years ago took a masters class in glass locally for currency and to talk glass. About a month previous, I discovered the "Glass Eye" software, and haven't stopped designing since. I am currently in the military; I've served 20+ years and as of 30 September this year I'm retiring to property in Florida about 5 miles away from my sister. I went thru a dry spell of about 2 years (right after the masters class) where I cut several pieces out but put them away. Since I made the decision to retire - the mental block has dissolved with a vengeance... my partner in dogs said recently that it's because I can see the end. Ever the Taoist, I think it's more that I can see the "beginning". My property has a small store on it and a house and the store will become my studio for glass and a place for my sister and I to work - she does claywork. Both parents, all grandparents have passed... it's just us. I have no 'one' favorite project - I love them all... but if I had to pick one - it's the one I did for my father - in his memory. I designed a US Army Air Corps patch - taken from a photograph I keep in my office. I do military related designs, eagles, dogs and dog sport related glass. I donate quite a lot to rescue organizations for the breed I'm involved in (rottweilers) and just recently finished cutting a shoulder patch design of the military unit I'm in to be donated as a retirement gift for two of my soldiers that are also retiring. Talk about a challenge... less than 8x11 and 87 pieces... and I have at least one more to do. I've been on and off Bungi - recently my server dumped my setup and I fell off... but I enjoy the discussions and I learn... Gotta go - the glass is calling! Paula Nelson Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 10:57:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:38:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Melissa Hall Subject: Re: restrip Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:31:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.173158.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19990313085909.0069b7f4@scci.net>> Precedence: bulk Melissa, I work mainly in leaded glass, so a number of people will feel that my answer will need modification. My rule of thumb is that anything 18 inches in any direction will need reinforcement of some kind. I know that foiled glass panels are "harder" than leaded, but that only (to me) means that reinforcement is more necessary to avoid breakages among the glass pieces. Strong line and similar supports can be used within the window (and between the pieces). Zinc on the outside isn't going to do much to strengthen the panel across its surface. The reinforcement should follow the major fold lines (i.e. those which go across the panel in one direction or another), especially when the reinforcement or support is external to the panel. Steve In message <3.0.2.32.19990313085909.0069b7f4@scci.net>, Melissa Hall writes >Hi all, > Mike Savad mentioned that there weren't enough questions going around so >I >thought I send some... What's a good way to way to determine when you >foiled panel has gotten too big and you will need restrip? > >Melissa > >>the NG thing is new (some people were peeved at the non glass things). >>basically ask a question get an answer. i don't think there is a real >>FAQ to this group. you would'nt be inturupting anything if you ask >>something in the middle of some other banter. the other NG stuff is >>there because not too many people are asking questions. > >>---Mike Savad > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 11:33:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:06:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.6618.0> Precedence: bulk Lenore is right, Two years ago I attended Hobart welding school, only woman among about 60 men. One day I took in a small photo album of some of my glass work to show one of the girls in the office. Then one of the guys saw it. All of a sudden three of the guys wanted Whinny the Pooh for wives and girlfriends and clowns, all decent size suncatchers. Moral of this story,,,, Care a small photo album with you where ever you go and if the conversation turns to glass, don't be afraid to whip it out and show what you've done in the past. Three out of five ,you'll get an order... Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Yegnim@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com ; glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 8:20 AM Subject: Re: selling oneself >Suzanne, >Yes, Patrick is right! You never know from where your next commission will >come. The cards at your husband's work place is a great idea. I have gotten >work thru my husband's workplace and he didn't even post cards. I don't >believe he can. >Better than the photos would be the brochure or some photos of your glass work >that you mentioned. As we know, people are so attracted to pictures!!!! Why >not go for it! >Lenore >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 11:45:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:03:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FW: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:00:01 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.1801.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 9:27:23 AM, deskins@netphase.net wrote: >have just moved from the west coast of Canada to W. V. ... and had to >>give my daughter all my glass.... so - here I am starting over - no >>patterns.. no suppliers (close by) trying to figure this all out. Whereabouts in WV? The north central part of the state is part of glassmaking heaven (which extends up into southwestern PA and includes Youghiogheny Glass Co.) Welcome aboard! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 12:03:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:32:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Steve Richard Subject: Re: Archives index Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:39:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199903131831.NAA07368@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I'd like your opinion on the following index of the current bungi > archives. Hi, Steve. That's something I've been working on, too, on and off, although I'm only up to 1996 somewhere. I couldn't read anything of what you attached, though. It all came through as the following or similar: M8F5A9&UA:VEN9R!S=7!P;&EE Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:36:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:32:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.23258.0> Precedence: bulk >>Yes, it does depend on the size, but using a mixing bowl will take about 300 to 400 small globs. Steve<< Small globs come about 190 to the pound and are a nominal 3/8" in diameter. One pound of small globs placed side by side take up about 80 square inches. With foil and soldered they would take up perhaps 100 square inches. For roughly figuring weight I would estimate one pound of solder for each pound of globs. Medium globs are 9/16" and large globs are 1". Sizes and shapes are somewhat ramdom. I would think that very simple patterns would work well. Something like an old fashioned anchor done several times or a geometric shape(s) might make pleasing designs. I would very likely fuse globs into a design element. Bands of different colors could be used. I do not think I will make a glob lamp shade due to the tedious work involved. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 12:33:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:57:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:54:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.25437.0> Precedence: bulk >>Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and least favorite part of working on glass? << Cutting is my favorate followed by soldering. Least favorate is creating the design. Early on I was told that cementing was a pain. Not so for me because the cementing step puts me right next to picking up the window and seeing it for the first time. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 12:43:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:45:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: POLL Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:44:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.64411.0> Precedence: bulk Most favorite.... everything Least favorite... cleaning up afterwards..... yuck... Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 12:57:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:58:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:08:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990313140845.0076870c@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk most favorite...front end of the project....daydreaming over sheets of glass is always nice, but designing and laying out the pattern is very satisfying least favorite...end of project...framing, adding hooks, cleaning, waxing and other piddly stuff. Ready to try one of those glob lamps. Dee P.S. Debbie T. from Md. My computer tried to eat itself and all it's programs... I lost your address. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 13:18:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:19:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio #94 Paula Nelson Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:16:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.31614.0> Precedence: bulk >>My property has a small store on it and a house and the store will become my studio for glass and a place for my sister and I to work - she does claywork. << Wonderful, just wonderful. Paradise after the military. Bob (USN,Ret) Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 13:31:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:30:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.93057.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19990313091153.006a0fe0@scci.net>> Precedence: bulk Melissa Hall wrote: > Hi all, > Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and > least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - > I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be > cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds > too much like going to the dentists I suppose... > > Melissa > > -Most Favourite: soldering Least Favourite: polishing > I think spring is finally here! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 13:33:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:32:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "barbara elmore" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:29:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.32946.0> Precedence: bulk >>I've got some geode slices that I've been "saving" for the right project when I get good enough! But, the sides are so irregular......Should they be ground down somewhat? How were they foiled on that lamp you repaired? A newbie who can dream, Barbara<< The lamp in question was made with round geode slices that were no more than 2" in diameter. I would at least grind off any irregular edges. Also the slices should not be more than about 3/16" thick to permit good light transmission and keep the weight down. Likely you could find a gemologist that would cut and polish a bunch of thin slices for $1.00 or even less each. I/4" foil should do the trick. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 13:48:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:32:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Melissa Hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.9322.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19990313091153.006a0fe0@scci.net>> Precedence: bulk Melissa Hall wrote: > > Hi all, > Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and > least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - > I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be > cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds > too much like going to the dentists I suppose... > > Melissa > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass favorite - when it's finished, and everything went down as planned. least - all of it, none of it. it's pretty much equal now. foiling cramps my hands, but i can do it fast and neat. cutting is not that bad, unless it's ripple or warped. soldering is ok, unless it splatters. grinding is a bit time consuming and wet, and it's a real pain when you get a nail. i was working with the twin spin, chamfering 1/2" side pieces of glass for the columns of sky city. the glass slipped (twice) and i got my finger twice. result a very short section of nail, that bled quite a bit (was'nt that a lovely description). and i'm finally glad that the 128 edges i had to chamfer are finally done. it took so long that the thermal protect on the grinder was engaged and i had to wait overnight to use it again. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 13:49:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:35:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Melissa Hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: restrip Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:34:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.93427.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19990313085909.0069b7f4@scci.net>> Precedence: bulk Melissa Hall wrote: > > Hi all, > Mike Savad mentioned that there weren't enough questions going around so I > thought I send some... What's a good way to way to determine when you > foiled panel has gotten too big and you will need restrip? > > Melissa > > >the NG thing is new (some people were peeved at the non glass things). > >basically ask a question get an answer. i don't think there is a real > >FAQ to this group. you would'nt be inturupting anything if you ask > >something in the middle of some other banter. the other NG stuff is > >there because not too many people are asking questions. > > >---Mike Savad > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it would'nt neceserily be the size, but the design that really matters. it's kind of hard to explain it all in words. but basically if the glass looks like it's going to flex in a particular way, that's when and where you add the restrip. they'll probably be better answers then that... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:01:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:13:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:10:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199903132007.PAA02765@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/13/99 11:42 AM Christie A. Wood Ensembles@compuserve.com >Message text written by Melissa Hall >>Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite an= >d >least favorite part of working on glass?< > Most favorite: Choosing the glass Least favorite: Attaching the channel and/or cleaning Penna. Suzanne Lahaska Litho Imaging Ltd. 33 Union Street, Suite 4 Doylestown, PA 18901 215-340-1202 (VOICE) 215-340-2313 (FAX) Hours - 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM e-mail : litho@ll-imaging.com please go to ll-imaging.com for todays updates Jim :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:06:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:49:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Potted British History Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:35:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199903131948.TAA16379@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear All, On reflection, I decided to post this into Bungi, since there may be others who have a hard task to explain peculiar British History to their off-springs. My rendition is biased and highly personal.... but the basic facts are correct so here goes: Dear Karlene, This is an event of major importance in British History and refers to the attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament (the old building!!) by the Gun Powder Plot, allegedly headed by a Mr. Guy Fawkes. The non-event is celebrated each year on 5th November as "Bon Fire Night". Guy himself (1570 - 1606) was a Roman Catholic from the County of Yorkshire, who for some reason thought blowing up the parliament with gun powder was a Good Thing and for this purpose plotted with some other conspirators and then descended into the dungeons of the Parliament building to do the dreaded deed. (I believe) they were warned off, but decided to go ahead regardless , but their scheme was leaked. They got arrested and after torture (according to the practices of the day) 'fessed up. I can't remember the names of the other conspirators, but Guy himself after a year of such treatment was finally executed. November 5th is celebrated by kids begging for money "Penny for the Guy", in order to buy whizz-bangs and anything pyromanic, including things that mutilate people ('n critters) and bringing out hot sweat from the fire brigade across the land. Communities congregate around large bon fires (collected over the previous 12 months and consisting of dead-wood, pruned shrubwood, old beds, cupboards, rubbish, rubber boots, old matresses and anything that may be ceremoniously burnt. Guy Fawkes is often represented by a straw doll made up by the kids, according to their talent, ingenuity and pocket and is burnt on the bonfire too. An awful lot of bangs 'n whizzes go off on the night and very often several days before and after, depending on when people work etc. Toby is not desperately happy during that time and if I teach, I let him be in a very special, priveleged part of the house with a soothing radio programme to calm him - if I have to teach. Well organized events can be real good fun and safe. However there are frequent "cowboy" fires and "whizz-bangs" which mutilate and kill people. 'Nuff said. Says Elisabeth - who well remembers putting little explosives under the shoe soles of little ole' ladies in Sweden on Valpurgis Night (i.e. the night when all the witches depart on their broomstick for the Annual Conference at the Blue Mountain) 'n Toby who would rather not be there at all in (and not OF) UK Karlene asked off-group: > Thought you might be able to answer this ? for my 11yo dau. What or who is Guy > Fox & is there a Holiday celebrated in the uk around this?? Was on a tv show > & was clueless to who Guy Fox is. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:15:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:20:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bungi-The Bio Master Was: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:22:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199903132018.PAA03596@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/13/99 7:40 AM Linda Campbell lcbell@memach.com Linda Campbell said: >Or Arnold's gnomens.......? :) Gosh, do you think Arnold has more than one gnomen???? Suzanne Lahaska Litho Imaging Ltd. 33 Union Street, Suite 4 Doylestown, PA 18901 215-340-1202 (VOICE) 215-340-2313 (FAX) Hours - 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM e-mail : litho@ll-imaging.com please go to ll-imaging.com for todays updates Jim :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:21:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:22:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Molly Keys" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Tracing a picture Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.102121.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Molly Keys" > The picture you are talking about is the Guardian Angel watching over the= Children as they cross the bridge of eternity.< Anyone know the name of the artist who painted the original oil? Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studio (who grew up with a print of this painting.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:31:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:22:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Suzanne , Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.10213.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne >I handed him a bunch of my cards and told him to put one on every board at work!< You would be amazed at how effective this constant minor advertising can be! Last night at home, I addressed fifty color postcards to churches in little towns in Southern Colorado who just might want a nice church window. I do that sort of thing on pretty much a weekly basis. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:33:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:22:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Melissa Hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:21:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.102125.0> Precedence: bulk I like cutting glass, foiling (believe it or not), cementing (even = fewer believers!), photographing it, selling it, looking at it, choosing glass, dreaming up designs.... what else? Oooh, buying lots of it.... I like soldering, too. I hate tracing and cutting patterns........ and moving big sheets of = glass. And cleaning up after cementing.... and flipping panels.... and climbing scaffolding..... and repair work, the ultimate yuck. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:45:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:22:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:21:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.102111.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Steve Richard >If its going to be done, have a VERY long time scale. These things are very time consuming. = The one I watched took one year (part-time) to build. < Maybe having E. judge it when she's at Warner-Crivellaro late = summer is a pretty good idea. Does that give everyone enough time? And we could have a professional and a hobbyist category and folks could sign-up however they were most comfortable. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:45:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:22:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: the glob lamp thing... Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:21:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.10216.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne >I dont think it is real healthy for friendships to compete *against* each other. I do< I disagree, Suzanne. I think it's very healthy and imminently do-able...= but only in healthy relationships. Best, Dani Greer (who is not afraid of competition... or losing... or winning..= .) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 14:57:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:22:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Melissa Hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: restrip Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:20:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.102053.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Melissa Hall >What's a good way to way to determine when you foiled panel has gotten too big and you will need restrip? < Good move, Melissa.... the best way to ensure glass topics are covered is to get into the conversation! Ask! Answer! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:00:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:23:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:PDRUSS@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: NG: Spring has sproing...!! Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:21:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.102129.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:PDRUSS@aol.com > We went out yesterday and bought about 4 large bushes for the garden alon= g with some bedding flowers and herbs. I haven't been able to find lavende= r yet. I've been looking for a while. = < Hi Dianne- We're dying to garden, too, but had a threat of 16 inches of snow yesterday so had to hold off for a bit! Have you tried to order through Bountiful Gardens in California.... they promote bio-intensive gardening and I'm sure they have lavendar. I think they have a web site, too. Have always had very good luck with their products. best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:09:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:28:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:21:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.10210.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com >I want to do it, but I really want to compete against you Dani!< Gimme a break... how many glob lamps do you think I'VE built in my life!!? It's my first, too. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:10:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:28:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hi Darlene was Re: Bio #93 Darlene Hendler Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:32:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.83247.0> References: <<1999Mar13.5553.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Darlene Nice to *meet you, and hear about you. I really enjoy hearing about other peoples lives. I tell you what, having gotten my BS degree prior to marriage/children....and later having children, I am totally impressed when a person can do that and be successful at it. Talk about hard! You didnt mention different, so I assume you are still working in Social Work? What area? I hope to never go back, myself, but who knows I may miss it someday, but not today! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:14:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:31:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:35:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.83521.0> References: <<199903131521_MC2-6DDB-DB5@compuserve.com>> Precedence: bulk Dani Greer wrote: > > Message text written by INTERNET:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com > >I want to do it, but I really want to compete against you Dani!< > > Gimme a break... how many glob lamps do you think I'VE built > in my life!!? It's my first, too. > > Best, > > Dani Greer Ok.....I'm easy enough to convince! Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:22:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:38:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:34:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990313123445.0095f100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<3.0.2.32.19990313091153.006a0fe0@scci.net>> Precedence: bulk At 09:11 AM 3/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and >least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - >I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be >cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds >too much like going to the dentists I suppose... > >Melissa > Most favorite: the first cut (when anything seems possible) Least favorite: soldering (when what wasn't possible becomes apparent) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:23:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:41:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:52:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990313155222.007649e0@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk ...snipped ...Moral of this story,,,, >Carry a small photo album with you where ever you go and if the conversation >turns to glass, don't be afraid to whip it out and show what you've done in >the past. Yep, absolutely. Just got a sidelight commission from a chemist in the toxicology lab. Broke into the conversation by starting with the lovely shapes of the glassware used in the lab. Next comes the pix and the desire begins to take shape. dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:32:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:53:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Pkelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: POLL Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:57:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.85755.0> References: <<1999Mar13.64411.0>> Precedence: bulk Pkelly wrote: > > Most favorite.... everything > > Least favorite... cleaning up afterwards..... yuck... > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows I will agree to that! Very worst is cleaning up shop after concrete! Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:34:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:31:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:02:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.920.0> Precedence: bulk My favorite part of the hobby is pulling the finished piece from the final scrubbing, and holding it, wet a dripping up to the light for first inspection! My least favorite part is having all the little projects I've been working on completed, and not knowing what I want to start next. Actually, I too enjoy the cutting. And I hate the soldering. (unless I'm having a really good solder day, where it flows on in nice chubby beads...) Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 15:44:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:13:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:11:15 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.221115.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 11:09:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, melissah@scci.net writes: << Hi all, Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds too much like going to the dentists I suppose... Melissa >> Most favorite............designing free style with just pieces of glass that are laying around--boxes & card holders Least favorite........using a paper pattern-- drawing the pattern out & cutting it out. My husband and I work together on a lot of projects. I generally come up with the idea of that to make, which I enjoy a lot. My husband is better at drawing then I am, so he loves that part. I'll tell him to move lines or change that shape the other way until we are both happy with it. Then we fight over what color glass to use. :) We don't see the same colors it seems. He's better at cutting the glass too but I can do it with little problem. He hates grinding and foiling. So I generally do that. Then we both fight over who gets to do the good part--soldering. :) Dianne Jacksonville,FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 16:04:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:15:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:13:26 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.221326.0> Precedence: bulk How right you are! When I took my daughter's shade into the office to have it shipped, the packer who was to pack it for me insisted on talking to me - she wanted to buy it! I told her it would be $1,000 (I really don't want to sell anything right now), she didn't bat an eye (she makes $7 an hour). I had to turn her down outright. Come to think of it, she's the one who packed the shade and it got broken. Nah..... Every time I finish something and bring it in to have it shipped, at lease three or four people want to know if I make them to sell - and I work in a small office, only about 40 people between the office and warehouse. Brenda, S. Florida << All of a sudden three of the guys wanted Whinny the Pooh for wives and girlfriends and clowns, all decent size suncatchers. Moral of this story,,,, Care a small photo album with you where ever you go and if the conversation turns to glass, don't be afraid to whip it out and show what you've done in the past. Three out of five ,you'll get an order >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 16:19:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:18:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG-Bangs 'n whizzes Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:17:48 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.221748.0> Precedence: bulk Sounds like 4th of July to me - except here in Florida they shoot guns up in the air, not seeming to realize that what goes up must come down. Every year quite a few people get hurt this way. I stay inside. Brenda, S. Florida << An awful lot of bangs 'n whizzes go off on the night and very often several days before and after, depending on when people work etc. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 16:30:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:13:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.121322.0> Precedence: bulk Most favorite: cutting Least favorite: cleaning up afterwards probably followed by choosing glass. I have a hard time making up my mind. Hubby's most unfavorite thing to hear is, "Come here and look at these. I just want your opinion." Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 16:43:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:57:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:44:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199903132158.VAA18296@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Accompanied by the exquisite ballet performance of La Donna Patricia in "her" exquisite stained glass tutu......??? E 'n T in UK sparks wrote: > > In a message dated 3/13/99 12:13:39 AM, gecko@ipa.net wrote: > > >P.S. - Nex summer in a theaters everywyere.... BUNGI-2... The Horror > >Continues! > > Followed by: > > BUNGI 3: walking on Broken Glass > > (with sound track by Annie Lennox, of course..... how appropriate that her > last name is so close to the name of a famous china & crystal manufacturer!) > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 16:50:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:58:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fwd: "Bungi 101" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:44:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199903132158.VAA18293@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Sparks, I for one thought your "Bungi 101" great, loving, fun and informative. And it does sum us up quite well. I don't know about you folks, but I kind of feel I would like to make a sort of permanent mention/dedication/call it what you will to our Bob the Dinosaur......how do WE know that his family is not there, lurking still, seeking and finding comfort in that he is still very much ALIVE in our minds and memories? It's OUR way.... perhaps.... of showing and living that Life may be transient, but memories are not necessarily so..... Dunno.... I just don't feel I'm ready to "retire" Bob..... Don't feel flattered Sparks ..... you did a grand job.... really very inspired.... but then you really are.... when the spirit takes you.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Sparks wrote: > In a message dated 3/13/99 12:01:12 AM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com wrote: > > >Sparks intro really is good and I wonder if she would update it to > >explain the NG and maybe how to visit the archives for past threads > >on frequently discussed subjects. > > Gee, folks, I'm flattered! > > And I do need to make a few corrections soon anyway -- this time I'll > acknowledge all you "sexy Canucks" out there (with apologies to Carol Swann > and thanks for pointing out my glaring oversight). Also need to retire Bob the > Dinosaur (although his spirit still lives on). > > As for the archives, I personally can't download a lot of the old whole-month > ones 'cause my computer chokes when a file gets up to about 2.5mb. Haven't > been in to check out Albert's compilation, gotta do that too. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 16:59:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:29:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bungi-The Bio Master Was: "Bungi 101" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:33:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.103351.0> References: <<199903132018.PAA03596@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > 3/13/99 7:40 AM Linda Campbell lcbell@memach.com > > Linda Campbell said: > > >Or Arnold's gnomens.......? :) > > Gosh, do you think Arnold has more than one gnomen???? > > Suzanne Multitasking? lol....did I say that??? T Suz > > Lahaska Litho Imaging Ltd. > 33 Union Street, Suite 4 > Doylestown, PA 18901 > 215-340-1202 (VOICE) > 215-340-2313 (FAX) > > Hours - 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM > e-mail : litho@ll-imaging.com > > please go to ll-imaging.com for todays updates Jim :-) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 17:04:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:06:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:06:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.2264.0> Precedence: bulk >Message text written by Melissa Hall >Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite an= >d >least favorite part of working on glass?< Most favorite: Soldering Least favorite: Cleaning, especially large items that have to go in the bathtub for cleaning. I'm always afraid I will break it! Brenda, South Florida ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 17:14:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:42:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG: Spring has sproing...!! Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:40:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.224025.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 3:22:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: << Hi Dianne- We're dying to garden, too, but had a threat of 16 inches of snow yesterday so had to hold off for a bit! Have you tried to order through Bountiful Gardens in California.... they promote bio-intensive gardening and I'm sure they have lavendar. I think they have a web site, too. Have always had very good luck with their products. best, Dani Greer >> Thank you very much. I'll go look. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 17:16:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:13:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mar333Wood From: Mar333Wood@aol.com To: s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Archives index Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:12:52 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar13.231252.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Richard, I opened the archive file and was able to read it very well. Before I got headaches trying to figure out what was what. Thanks for doing this. Marti http://members.aol.com/Mar333Wood/WOODMAR.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 17:30:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:20:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: alewis@adelphia.net Subject: Re: Archives index Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:14:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.231455.0> References: <<199903131831.NAA07368@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk OK. Thanks Albert. Now I don't need to do; anything more I think. Steve In message <199903131831.NAA07368@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>, Albert Lewis writes >> I'd like your opinion on the following index of the current bungi >> archives. > >Hi, Steve. > >That's something I've been working on, too, on and off, although I'm >only up to 1996 somewhere. I couldn't read anything of what you >attached, though. It all came through as the following or similar: > >M8F5A9&UA:VEN9R!S=7!P;&EE >Meanwhile, what I've done thus far is searchable on the Guild's web >site at http://igga.org/ Just click on "Search this site" and >follow the instructions. > >Albert -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 17:42:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:33:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dee Thompson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:37:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.113743.0> References: <<3.0.32.19990313155222.007649e0@pop.erols.com>> Precedence: bulk > >Carry a small photo album with you where ever you go and if the conversation > >turns to glass, don't be afraid to whip it out and show what you've done in > >the past. > > Yep, absolutely. Just got a sidelight commission from a chemist in the > toxicology lab. Broke into the conversation by starting with the lovely > shapes of the glassware used in the lab. Next comes the pix and the desire > begins to take shape. > dee You're good! T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 17:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:42:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: maine.rr.com!flynwill From: Amanda Williams To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.134214.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 18:01:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:17:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I'm still so new to glass that almost everything is fun and exciting. Favorite: soldering even though I'm still not very good at it Lest Favorite: grinding....makes my hands feel yucky Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 18:12:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:18:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:22:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.122221.0> References: <<1999Mar13.221326.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > How right you are! When I took my daughter's shade into the office to have it > shipped, the packer who was to pack it for me insisted on talking to me - she > wanted to buy it! I told her it would be $1,000 (I really don't want to sell > anything right now), she didn't bat an eye (she makes $7 an hour). I had to > turn her down outright. Come to think of it, she's the one who packed the > shade and it got broken. Nah..... > > Every time I finish something and bring it in to have it shipped, at lease > three or four people want to know if I make them to sell - and I work in a > small office, only about 40 people between the office and warehouse. > > Brenda, S. Florida > > << All of a sudden three of the guys wanted Whinny the Pooh for wives and > girlfriends and clowns, all decent size suncatchers. Moral of this story,,,, > Care a small photo album with you where ever you go and if the conversation > turns to glass, don't be afraid to whip it out and show what you've done in > the past. Three out of five ,you'll get an order >> > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hmmmmmmmm...maybe I should stop doing my own packing! 'course nothing I have packed has gotten broken, either. Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 18:26:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:24:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:24:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.122452.0> References: <<1999Mar13.221115.0>> Precedence: bulk > Then we fight over what color glass to use. :) We don't see the same colors it > seems. He's better at cutting the glass too but I can do it with little > problem. My husband used to tell me that he didnt like some of my color selections...and recently we found out he was color blind! lol...Dont you know I had some fun with that one! ;o) Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 18:55:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:52:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:36:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.8364.0> Precedence: bulk Least favorite: grinding Second least favorite: cementing -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 9:14 AM Subject: Poll >Hi all, > Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and >least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - >I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be >cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds >too much like going to the dentists I suppose... > >Melissa > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 19:01:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:52:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Melissa Hall" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: restrip Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:38:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.83842.0> Precedence: bulk When it breaks? Sorry, I will be interested to here an answer to this one also. In my experience it depends a lot on how the lines run and whether they focus any stress over a particular section of glass. -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 9:27 AM Subject: restrip >Hi all, > Mike Savad mentioned that there weren't enough questions going around so I >thought I send some... What's a good way to way to determine when you >foiled panel has gotten too big and you will need restrip? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 19:01:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:05:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:54:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.85452.0> Precedence: bulk I'll have to agree with that one. I forgot it since I have not used a standard paper pattern, pattern shears and all that crap for over two years now. Most I ever do any more is tack the design up on the wall in front of where I'm cutting. -----Original Message----- From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Poll >Least favorite........using a paper pattern-- drawing the pattern out & >cutting it out. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 19:07:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:22:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Jerri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:13:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.13132.0> References: <<1999Mar13.121322.0>> Precedence: bulk > Hubby's most unfavorite thing to hear is, "Come here and look at > these. I just want your opinion." > > Jerri lol....sounds familiar. I frequently hear in response "I dont have shoes on" To which I reply. "Just come to the door!" Seems like we could just skip all that ...maybe someday! ;o) Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 19:14:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:30:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Archives index Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:28:34 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.12834.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 8:17:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mar333Wood@aol.com writes: << Hi Richard, I opened the archive file and was able to read it very well. Before I got headaches trying to figure out what was what. Thanks for doing this. Marti http://members.aol.com/Mar333Wood/WOODMAR.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> Ok, I guess I missed it. When I go to the address at the end of all the post: http://www.bungi.com/glass I find the archives alright but sorting throught them is horrible. This archives has a search engine of some kind?? I didn't see it. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 19:18:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:31:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Glass@Bungi.com" Subject: Re: Mixing apples and oranges....sigh. Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:30:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.93051.0> Precedence: bulk Well, I had a good laugh from this! Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 6:29 PM Subject: Mixing apples and oranges....sigh. > >I have either got to start getting more sleep... >stop reading certain newsgroups... >or get my head examined... > >Presently I have newsgroups that include stained glass.. >Linux...and Unix... > >Windows...and Dos...etc.. > >Well after reading one glass group's messages about restoration and >repairs,and installation...I went to another group and responded to >someone who only >mentioned that their windows broke and they didn't know where to >start... >..........helpful me, chided them to be more specific...like >if they were lead or foiled...how old they were....the type of >glass,etc. > >Well I got back a personal reply to get my head examined...he also >mentioned that he only wanted to be able to boot so he could reinstall >Windows 98......sigh... > >I guess there are different types of windows...and different types of >installation...and repairs... > >Oh well I'm still getting over having mixed up glass@intrastar.net.. >and glass@bungi.com....(yes it was ME who posted about the contest.. >in the wrong group!!)...another sigh... > >Lets see know how am I going to patina that DOS program.??? > >Daniel in Oregon... > > > > >-- >---Cogito ergo spud........I think therefore I yam.--- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 19:31:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:06:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:03:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.9351.0> Precedence: bulk Oops, I only did least favorite, not most. Most favorite a tie between looking at beautiful sheets of glass and thinking about what I'm going to do with them. Actual least least least favorite: Cleaning up BEFORE starting a project after all that procrastination about cleaning up after the last one became a permanent state of affairs. -----Original Message----- From: Tim & Adriana Atwood To: Glass List Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Poll >Least favorite: grinding >Second least favorite: cementing >-----Original Message----- >From: Melissa Hall >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 9:14 AM >Subject: Poll > > >>Hi all, >> Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and >>least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - >>I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be >>cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds >>too much like going to the dentists I suppose... >> >>Melissa >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 19:33:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:06:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990313195401.006b43c0@scci.net> References: <<1999Mar13.221115.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Dianne, That's so cool that you and your husband do glass together. Mine likes to help pick out colors but the sound of scoring glass gives him the willies! Sometimes I feel a little guilty for picking a hobby that drives him nuts, but he's been very patient about it. Mslissa At 05:11 PM 3/13/99 EST, you wrote: > >Most favorite............designing free style with just pieces of glass that >are laying around--boxes & card holders > >Least favorite........using a paper pattern-- drawing the pattern out & >cutting it out. > > > >My husband and I work together on a lot of projects. I generally come up with >the idea of that to make, which I enjoy a lot. My husband is better at >drawing then I am, so he loves that part. I'll tell him to move lines or >change that shape the other way until we are both happy with it. > >Then we fight over what color glass to use. :) We don't see the same colors it >seems. He's better at cutting the glass too but I can do it with little >problem. > >He hates grinding and foiling. So I generally do that. Then we both fight over >who gets to do the good part--soldering. :) > > >Dianne >Jacksonville,FL >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 21:29:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:06:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:03:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.9351.0> Precedence: bulk Oops, I only did least favorite, not most. Most favorite a tie between looking at beautiful sheets of glass and thinking about what I'm going to do with them. Actual least least least favorite: Cleaning up BEFORE starting a project after all that procrastination about cleaning up after the last one became a permanent state of affairs. -----Original Message----- From: Tim & Adriana Atwood To: Glass List Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Poll >Least favorite: grinding >Second least favorite: cementing >-----Original Message----- >From: Melissa Hall >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 9:14 AM >Subject: Poll > > >>Hi all, >> Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and >>least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - >>I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be >>cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds >>too much like going to the dentists I suppose... >> >>Melissa >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 21:35:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:06:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990313195401.006b43c0@scci.net> References: <<1999Mar13.221115.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Dianne, That's so cool that you and your husband do glass together. Mine likes to help pick out colors but the sound of scoring glass gives him the willies! Sometimes I feel a little guilty for picking a hobby that drives him nuts, but he's been very patient about it. Mslissa At 05:11 PM 3/13/99 EST, you wrote: > >Most favorite............designing free style with just pieces of glass that >are laying around--boxes & card holders > >Least favorite........using a paper pattern-- drawing the pattern out & >cutting it out. > > > >My husband and I work together on a lot of projects. I generally come up with >the idea of that to make, which I enjoy a lot. My husband is better at >drawing then I am, so he loves that part. I'll tell him to move lines or >change that shape the other way until we are both happy with it. > >Then we fight over what color glass to use. :) We don't see the same colors it >seems. He's better at cutting the glass too but I can do it with little >problem. > >He hates grinding and foiling. So I generally do that. Then we both fight over >who gets to do the good part--soldering. :) > > >Dianne >Jacksonville,FL >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 21:40:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: West (By God) Virginia Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:29:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990313192955.0069bf84@scci.net> References: <<1999Mar13.1801.0>> Precedence: bulk Hey! I grew up in Southern WV! It's a beautiful state if you ignore the third world aspects to it. If you are close to Charleston or Huntington there is a glass factory in between the two (at Milton) called Blenko. I'm not sure exactly what all they make but I do know they make the really thick glass used in cathedrals. This company made much (if not all) of the glass to repair the damage done to church windows in Europe during WWII. I hope that you enjoy your new home. (I miss the mountains.) Melissa At 01:00 PM 3/13/99 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 3/13/99 9:27:23 AM, deskins@netphase.net wrote: > >>have just moved from the west coast of Canada to W. V. ... and had to >>>give my daughter all my glass.... so - here I am starting over - no >>>patterns.. no suppliers (close by) trying to figure this all out. > >Whereabouts in WV? The north central part of the state is part of glassmaking >heaven (which extends up into southwestern PA and includes Youghiogheny Glass >Co.) > >Welcome aboard! > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 21:57:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:07:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:50:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990313195020.006b1fdc@scci.net> References: <<3.0.32.19990313155222.007649e0@pop.erols.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I took my first panel lamp to work to sit on my desk. 6 months later I've sold about half the people I work with a lamp. I really didn't take that tiny lamp to work for anything else than amusement but hey, I'm not complaining. Melissa At 03:52 PM 3/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >...snipped ...Moral of this story,,,, >>Carry a small photo album with you where ever you go and if the conversation >>turns to glass, don't be afraid to whip it out and show what you've done in >>the past. > >Yep, absolutely. Just got a sidelight commission from a chemist in the >toxicology lab. Broke into the conversation by starting with the lovely >shapes of the glassware used in the lab. Next comes the pix and the desire >begins to take shape. >dee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 22:13:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:41:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!slsheldon From: "Sharon Sheldon" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:45:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.15451.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990313123445.0095f100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi All, > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Wernecke [mailto:steve@villagesoftsmith.com] > Most favorite: the first cut (when anything seems possible) > Least favorite: soldering (when what wasn't possible becomes apparent) This says it best for me, too! As a matter of fact, I think I'll print it out in large letters and hang it above my work bench... Sharon (neophyte in this art form) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 22:17:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:12:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG those standardized tests, strategies Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:11:49 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.21149.0> Precedence: bulk > Reminds me of my high school days when I answered all my = > >standardized proficiency test questions sort of randomly depending > >on how pleasing the arrangement of dots were. Ahh, but this is a very valid test taking strategy, however different standardized test demand different strategies.....some you leave the unanswered ones blank, some you fill in all of one letter and the others you go with a cool design, sorry to say I can't remember which strategy works on what test. Anyone feel like taking SAT's for the fun of it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 22:17:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:02:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:02:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.11254.0> Precedence: bulk FAVORITE PART>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>check clearing the bank! Least favorite..........first few hours of a 100 hour project. Used to keep the check or cash on a clip near my work bench to remind me of why I am doing this.............Still do get a bit of a "rush" when I get a call or communication asking me to "make" another shade, and even more of a good feeling is leaving the colors up to me. It is not easy trying to anticipate what someone else wants/expects. enjoy< H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 22:25:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:39:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:37:55 -0800 Message-ID: <199903140337.TAA12797@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Message text written by Steve Richard >>If its going to be done, have a VERY long time scale. These things are >very time consuming. = > >The one I watched took one year (part-time) to build. >< > >Maybe having E. judge it when she's at Warner-Crivellaro late = > >summer is a pretty good idea. Does that give everyone enough >time? And we could have a professional and a hobbyist category >and folks could sign-up however they were most comfortable. If you're going to have E. judge it, perhaps the criteria is that they should be built on stainless steel bowls rather than purchased forms in keeping with E.'s low-tech/low-cost approach to glass tools???? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 22:27:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:40:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Potted British History Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:37:52 -0800 Message-ID: <199903140337.TAA12787@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk What or who is Guy >> Fox & is there a Holiday celebrated in the uk around this?? Was on a tv show >> & was clueless to who Guy Fox is. Actually I think he's also a country singer. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 23:10:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:51:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: no. of globs needed for shade? Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:41:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.204136.0> Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:13:13 -0800 "Bob E Duchesneau" writes: >I once repaired a 16" diameter dome lamp that was made from geode >slices that were about 2" in diameter. It was very heavy and did >not look like much what with all the solder that joined the 2" >circles. When lighted it was a real treat and well worth the >effort of whoever made it. Bob OK Bob, if we're looking for DIFFERENT; back in the early 70's I worked at a place where we make large (18" TO 24" diameter) lamps out of glass jewels. We used large lathe turned wooden forms to which we tacked a few strips of brass banding. Usually a 1" banding like those used to attach a crown to a shade was wrapped around the bottom edge, then about a half dozen strips of the same or similar banding were tacked to the form extending up from the strip at the bottom to the hole at the top of the lamp. Sometimes a few other decorative brass stampings like the brass eagles that are still available were also strategically placed on the form. Next jewels were tacked in place all over the form to fill all the spaces between the brass strips. We had jewels in all shapes and colors, and the craftsperson building the lamp had the freedom to play with them any way he wanted to. After all the space that could be covered with jewels was filled the whole thing got filled in with about 7 to 10 pounds of solder. We worked with Canfield 50/50 solder in 1/4 in thick bars and soldered with 250 to 300 watt Hexacon irons with pure copper (unplated ) tips. When the whole thing was done it was sent out to a metal plater where it was first plated with nickel, then 24 karat GOLD! (The real thing.) When we got them back the sparkle was blinding. Each was then rubbed over with burnt umber paint to antique the gold and tone it down. Production was stopped at about the time that gold prices went haywire, further aggrivated by a dispute with the plater about the dispostion of an ingot of gold. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 13 23:26:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:53:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.204637.0> Precedence: bulk Has to be either a bad batch or solder that just got old and dirty. Canfield is the only solder where I can't work with the 60/40 because it is TOO WATERY and I can't control it. I have always felt that their 50/50 handled the same as any other good 60/40. I don't know if they are still the ONLY ones in the business, but for years they were the only company that made their solder from only virgin metals, without the "allowable" (by gov't standards) impurities that are found in recycled metals. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:59:55 EST Yegnim@aol.com writes: >Christie, >I know that Canfield used to have very good solder. Look at the price >they >charge. Perhaps it is a bad batch. Have you notified the >wholesaler? >Perhaps they have had other complaints. I would really try to have >it >replaced. >Lenore >---- > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 00:11:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:54:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: leslye2@discover.earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: display stands for shows Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:50:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.205024.0> Precedence: bulk Leslye, My favorite display from my craft fair days was a few old windows, painted up nicely and attached together with hinges like a divider screen. You can stand them up on a table and use suction cups to hang stuff on them. Stops those annoying "oh they're cute, but what do you do with them" questions. On the table a nice table cloth, some cardboard boxes with napkins or doilies draped over them to use as pedastals for boxes and stuff. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:13:04 -0500 Leslye Nelson writes: >I was surprised last night when I was unable to find any sites on how >to >build a display stand for stained glass at art shows. Nothing at all >on >the subject. >I want to start doing art/craft shows but don't know how to build or >where to buy the supplies to build a display. >We will be going to a couple of shows with a critical eye. Any other >suggestions? > >Thanks, >Leslye > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 03:41:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:39:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: Potted British History Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:11:26 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.101126.0> References: <<199903140337.TAA12787@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk In message <199903140337.TAA12787@oceanus.island.net>, Carol Swann writes > What or who is Guy >>> Fox & is there a Holiday celebrated in the uk around this?? Was on a tv >show >>> & was clueless to who Guy Fox is. > >Actually I think he's also a country singer. > >C. Yes, Carol. I think Guy Fawkes was doing quite a bit of"singing" when he was being drawn and quartered. :-) Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 03:56:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:41:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: Potted British History Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:06:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.10651.0> References: <<199903140337.TAA12787@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk In message <199903140337.TAA12787@oceanus.island.net>, Carol Swann writes > What or who is Guy >>> Fox & is there a Holiday celebrated in the uk around this?? Was on a tv show >>> & was clueless to who Guy Fox is. > >Actually I think he's also a country singer. > >C. Yes, Carol. I think he was doing quite a bit of"singing" when he was being drawn and quartered. :-) Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 05:15:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:48:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Elleni Drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:47:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.24724.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Elleni Drafts wrote: > > I'm still so new to glass that almost everything is fun and exciting. > > Favorite: soldering even though I'm still not very good at it > > Lest Favorite: grinding....makes my hands feel yucky > > Elleni > ellenid@earthlink.net > South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass when you solder be sure to wear gloves. the kind a doctor would use. otherwise the flux will dry out your hands, and eventually you'll become very flux sensitive. plus it will keep the flux from entering a cut... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 07:46:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:48:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Search the EXCEL-L archives (http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?S1=exce Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:37:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.22378.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE6DE5.1536BDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, mainly the list admin,,, Someone asked about a search engine for the archives. I have found this one at Peach to be a great one. Perhaps you might check it out, it runs on ListServ software. This is for a Excel VBA (Visual Basic for Applications) E-mail listing archive, I use it to figure out simple macros to help the ladies at church do stuff in Excel that they do over and over. http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?S1=excel-l Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE6DE5.1536BDC0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Search the EXCEL-L archives.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Search the EXCEL-L archives.url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?S1=excel-l Modified=40E72A8A276EBE012F ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE6DE5.1536BDC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 07:59:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:54:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tulsas wild weather Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:58:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.25851.0> Precedence: bulk Our wild weather usually comes in the spring/summer with thunderstorms/hail tornados...like that. Man, I have never seen so much snow in Oklahoma. My dad and nephew were on their way up from Oklahoma City, and were stranded on the turnpike. They got to a McDonalds, and about 5-6 hours later the local fire department took them to a Baptist church to spend the night. There were alot of people stranded in their cars, and the national guard was even called out to help get them out and to shelter. My dad called and said the turnpike will be open again soon, and he is also giving a ride to a couple whose car is wrecked on the turnpike. (there were also a lot of accidents) They only live about a mile from me. Guess Dads little town will have front page news. Mayor Fallon stranded on Turnpike! lol..Dad was really hamming it up on the phone...I said " be careful, it is..." Dad said "Dont tell me how bad it is out there, I have been in it!" Sounded like he was onstage then, a room full of laughter then. So, it sounds like Dad had an adventure and ended up really enjoying it! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 08:10:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:02:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:59:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199903141455.JAA11369@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/13/99 10:02 PM Howard weaver51@teleport.com >FAVORITE PART>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>check clearing the bank! >Least favorite..........first few hours of a 100 hour project. >Used to keep the check or cash on a clip near my work bench to remind me of >why I am doing this.............Still do get a bit of a "rush" when I get a >call or communication asking me to "make" another shade, and even more of a >good feeling is leaving the colors up to me. >It is not easy trying to anticipate what someone else wants/expects. No it's not, but it sure is fun! I still get that rush too. Yes, when they say "be creative, do what you want," that's the best! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 08:49:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:39:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: MBTI survey results (Keirsey) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:37:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199903141537.HAA29092@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk OK folks, here it is...results of the MBTI (Myers-Briggs Temperament Indicator). Boy are we a strange bunch. First, let me make the following points: In no way can these results be considered to be a statistically significant sampling of the total bungi population. For that to happen the samples collected would have to be selected at random from throughout the entire bungi population. This did not happen, it was left up to individual motivation whether or not to take the test and reply. Second, I know nothing about how accurate Kiersey's short test is compared to the full-length Myers-Briggs test. General observations: 41 replies were received...mainly from people who post anyway. Of course if any of our 650 lurkers (gee, do we really have that many lurkers) posted a reply, then they'd lose their status as lurkers, right? :) Results:I have grouped the results in 2 ways...according to temperament (that's the SJ, NF, NT, SP preferences), and also by the 16 personality types or characters. For each of these I have posted the approximate percentage in the population, using Keirsey's figures from his web site, without regard to how closely these do, or do not, compare to Myers & Briggs' percentages (after all, this isn't a master's degree or something). The only thing I can say about these results is that the bungi members who chose to respond to the questionnaire and post their results to me make up a population that is quite different from the "normal". Bungi respondents provided a much higher percentage of NT and NF types, and a lower percentage of SJ and SP types than is found in the general population. This cannot be extrapolated to the bungi population though since it may be that some temperaments are more suited to voluntarily filling out questionnaires than others, they manage their time differently so they had time to do the questionnaire, or a number of other variables may have come into play, including the lack of random sampling. Could be that the personality types underrepresented in the bungi survey have a tendency to be lurkers on computer newsgroups...who knows? TEMPERAMENTS: % gen pop % bungi replies Guardian (SJ) 40-45 14 Idealist (NF) 8-10 37 Rational (NT) 5-7 28 Artisan (SP) 35-40 19 CHARACTER: (SJ) supervisor (ESTJ) 10-12 0 inspector (ISTJ) 10 5 provider (ESFJ) 15 7 protector (ISFJ) 10 2 (NF) teacher (ENFJ) 2-3 5 champion (ENFP) 3 10 counselor (INFJ) 2 5 healer (INFP) 1 17 (NT) field marshal (ENTJ) 2 0 inventory (ENTP) 2 2 mastermind (INTJ) 1 14 architect (INTP) n/a 12 (SP) promoter (ESTP) 10 0 operator (ISTP) 10 7 performer (ESFP) 10 7 composer (ISFP) 10 5 Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 09:49:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:28:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:22:59 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.162259.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 8:16:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, esavad@home.net writes: << when you solder be sure to wear gloves. the kind a doctor would use. otherwise the flux will dry out your hands, and eventually you'll become very flux sensitive. plus it will keep the flux from entering a cut... ---Mike Savad >> Yes, I did some serious damage to my hands when I first got started. You should wear gloves when using patina too. And any other chemicals as well. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:02:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:33:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:33:16 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.163316.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 1:20:37 PM, pkelly@n-link.com wrote: >Isn't Arnold Swedish Actually, he's German (or maybe Austrian, I forget). Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:11:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:33:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: melissah@scci.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:31:43 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.163143.0> Precedence: bulk Least favorite part is cementing, glazing, puttying, or whatever one calls it. As a true neat freak, I hate the mess, a/k/a, cleanup. Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:14:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:34:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: POLL Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:33:15 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.163315.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 3:43:59 PM, pkelly@n-link.com wrote: >Most favorite.... everything > >Least favorite... cleaning up afterwards..... yuck... I'd have to say my least favorite thing right now is cutting, since it's my least developed skill so far. My "most favorite" is assembly and soldering (although I'm not real crazy about contending with the bubbles on the second side; that's a pain in the drain). Once everything is foiled and laid out, you finally get the first look at what the finished piece is *really* going to look like. That's thrilling! I especially like the challenge of 3-D assembly. Oh, and don't tell anyone, but I also like doing repairs (but then you all knew I was weird!), and if I say so myself, I'm not half-bad at it........... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:14:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:35:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:33:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.163325.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 2:34:16 PM, rjlcon@ticnet.com wrote: >All of a sudden three of the guys wanted Whinny the Pooh Watch out for Winnie the Pooh et al. Disney holds the copyright on them, and I've heard from several sources that Disney is the meanest thing alive when it comes to copyright infringement. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:20:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:36:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fwd: "Bungi 101" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:33:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.163314.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 7:50:53 PM, toby@northlights.co.uk wrote: >I don't know about you folks, but I kind of feel I would like to make >a sort of permanent mention/dedication/call it what you will to our >Bob the Dinosaur...... I'm inclined in that direction too. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:24:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:45:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Spring has sproing...!! Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:43:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.6434.0> References: <<1999Mar13.154039.0>> Precedence: bulk Gee, and we're going to be walloped by a nor'easter tonight and tomorrow. I hear the storm system heading our way is working its will on Kentucky this morning. (Every year I predict a storm in mid-March and the people at work scoff, "Oh, no, it's spring, it's so lovely out." Well, I'm right about 90% of the time. However, it hasn't been THAT lovely out this March, so people aren't really suprised this year.) Going for jury duty selection next week, so I figure I'll have LOTS of time to work on some designs. Dorothy in mid-Connecticut ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:24:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:50:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE:Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:51:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.6518.0> Precedence: bulk I really like the designing best... I can deviate from the norm. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:36:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:26:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:24:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990314092401.00975100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<199903141537.HAA29092@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk At 07:37 AM 3/14/99 -0800, Carol Swann wrote: >OK folks, here it is...results of the MBTI (Myers-Briggs Temperament >Indicator). Boy are we a strange bunch. > Very interesting...thanks for compiling this. I sure thought I was seeing a lot more NFs than usual in the location list messages that came to me. You confirmed it. Maybe this isn't too surprising. A shorthand way I learned to think about temperaments was to imagine what people of each temperament might do at a pool party: SPs will jump into the pool immediately and begin to invent games SJs will find the host(ess) to see if they can do anything to help NTs will huddle and talk about something like business or politics NFs will group and talk about people That the people-people would show up strongly in a voluntary survey of members of a friendly list like bungi makes sense to me. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 10:50:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:29:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: [Fwd: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey)] Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:09:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.198.0> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <36EBED0D.5C6E@ior.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:08:29 -0800 From: Elizabeth Arakelian Reply-To: glshorse@ior.com Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey) References: <199903141537.HAA29092@oceanus.island.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol Swann wrote: > > OK folks, here it is...results of the MBTI (Myers-Briggs Temperament > Indicator). Boy are we a strange bunch. > > First, let me make the following points: In no way can these results be > considered to be a statistically significant sampling of the total bungi > population. For that to happen the samples collected would have to be > selected at random from throughout the entire bungi population. This did > not happen, it was left up to individual motivation whether or not to take > the test and reply. > > Second, I know nothing about how accurate Kiersey's short test is compared > to the full-length Myers-Briggs test. > > General observations: 41 replies were received...mainly from people who > post anyway. Of course if any of our 650 lurkers (gee, do we really have > that many lurkers) posted a reply, then they'd lose their status as lurkers, > right? :) > > Results:I have grouped the results in 2 ways...according to temperament > (that's the SJ, NF, NT, SP preferences), and also by the 16 personality > types or characters. > > For each of these I have posted the approximate percentage in the > population, using Keirsey's figures from his web site, without regard to how > closely these do, or do not, compare to Myers & Briggs' percentages (after > all, this isn't a master's degree or something). > > The only thing I can say about these results is that the bungi members who > chose to respond to the questionnaire and post their results to me make up a > population that is quite different from the "normal". > > Bungi respondents provided a much higher percentage of NT and NF types, and > a lower percentage of SJ and SP types than is found in the general > population. This cannot be extrapolated to the bungi population though > since it may be that some temperaments are more suited to voluntarily > filling out questionnaires than others, they manage their time differently > so they had time to do the questionnaire, or a number of other variables may > have come into play, including the lack of random sampling. Could be that > the personality types underrepresented in the bungi survey have a tendency > to be lurkers on computer newsgroups...who knows? > > TEMPERAMENTS: > % gen pop % bungi replies > Guardian (SJ) 40-45 14 > Idealist (NF) 8-10 37 > Rational (NT) 5-7 28 > Artisan (SP) 35-40 19 > > CHARACTER: > > (SJ) > supervisor (ESTJ) 10-12 0 > inspector (ISTJ) 10 5 > provider (ESFJ) 15 7 > protector (ISFJ) 10 2 > > (NF) > teacher (ENFJ) 2-3 5 > champion (ENFP) 3 10 > counselor (INFJ) 2 5 > healer (INFP) 1 17 > > (NT) > field marshal (ENTJ) 2 0 > inventory (ENTP) 2 2 > mastermind (INTJ) 1 14 > architect (INTP) n/a 12 > > (SP) > promoter (ESTP) 10 0 > operator (ISTP) 10 7 > performer (ESFP) 10 7 > composer (ISFP) 10 5 > > well, Carol, you may have a point here..I think NFs and NTs, probably particularly the introverts...just are interestd in research and patterns and thereby more likely to really get into this...I think by their very nature SJs and SPs are more likely to say "who cares, how does it matter in the real world anyway" about something like compiling these statistics...whereas I suspect all of the N types got real excited about seeing just what kind of profile we all are...it goes with the type.....I think my husband is an S and he thinks the whole idea of this type thing is utterly stupid...unless possibly it might be for vocational plannign or anything but beyond that...nope...pointless mental gymnastics in HIS mind..... also Carol..appreciate the statistical disclaimers...having done a fair amt of undergraduate research both in bio and psych....I am SO appreciateive when people take this stuff into account...it always pisses me off when they have studies in the paper or mags and you know that they just surveyed people and they are making some connection that may or may not be there.....my undergraduate statistics instructor at UMASS Boston, DrBrennan, bless his Irish heart...really impressed so heavily on us that you can use statistics to prove any point you want if you arent careful to control and take these extraneous factors into account.....there is so much of htis out there...researchers who go into it wanting to prove a specific point and then conveniently ignore correlating factors that could be an explanation rather than what they are really testing....people who quote studies to their own ends dont usually tend to look at how the studies were done and they are usually blissfully ignorant of these things.... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 11:06:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:29:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:25:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.12554.0> Precedence: bulk >>>good feeling is leaving the colors up to me. >It is not easy trying to anticipate what someone else wants/expects. No it's not, but it sure is fun! I still get that rush too. Yes, when they say "be creative, do what you want," that's the best! Suzanne<< Heck, it is such a good feeling that it can even cause me to pry harder on that steel spring that keeps my billfold shut when buying supplies for the project. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 11:28:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:32:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:27:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.72719.0> Precedence: bulk Looks like masses in bungi are a group of idealist healers. Followed by rational masterminds. That doesn't sound like any glass artists I know. Personally, I am an artisan, performer. I could have called that one blind-folded. my best, pj :) From: Carol Swann To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: MBTI survey results (Keirsey) >OK folks, here it is...results of the MBTI (Myers-Briggs Temperament >Indicator). Boy are we a strange bunch. > >First, let me make the following points: In no way can these results be >considered to be a statistically significant sampling of the total bungi >population. For that to happen the samples collected would have to be >selected at random from throughout the entire bungi population. This did >not happen, it was left up to individual motivation whether or not to take >the test and reply. > >Second, I know nothing about how accurate Kiersey's short test is compared >to the full-length Myers-Briggs test. > >General observations: 41 replies were received...mainly from people who >post anyway. Of course if any of our 650 lurkers (gee, do we really have >that many lurkers) posted a reply, then they'd lose their status as lurkers, >right? :) > >Results:I have grouped the results in 2 ways...according to temperament >(that's the SJ, NF, NT, SP preferences), and also by the 16 personality >types or characters. > >For each of these I have posted the approximate percentage in the >population, using Keirsey's figures from his web site, without regard to how >closely these do, or do not, compare to Myers & Briggs' percentages (after >all, this isn't a master's degree or something). > >The only thing I can say about these results is that the bungi members who >chose to respond to the questionnaire and post their results to me make up a >population that is quite different from the "normal". > >Bungi respondents provided a much higher percentage of NT and NF types, and >a lower percentage of SJ and SP types than is found in the general >population. This cannot be extrapolated to the bungi population though >since it may be that some temperaments are more suited to voluntarily >filling out questionnaires than others, they manage their time differently >so they had time to do the questionnaire, or a number of other variables may >have come into play, including the lack of random sampling. Could be that >the personality types underrepresented in the bungi survey have a tendency >to be lurkers on computer newsgroups...who knows? > > >TEMPERAMENTS: > % gen pop % bungi replies >Guardian (SJ) 40-45 14 >Idealist (NF) 8-10 37 >Rational (NT) 5-7 28 >Artisan (SP) 35-40 19 > > >CHARACTER: > >(SJ) >supervisor (ESTJ) 10-12 0 >inspector (ISTJ) 10 5 >provider (ESFJ) 15 7 >protector (ISFJ) 10 2 > >(NF) >teacher (ENFJ) 2-3 5 >champion (ENFP) 3 10 >counselor (INFJ) 2 5 >healer (INFP) 1 17 > >(NT) >field marshal (ENTJ) 2 0 >inventory (ENTP) 2 2 >mastermind (INTJ) 1 14 >architect (INTP) n/a 12 > >(SP) >promoter (ESTP) 10 0 >operator (ISTP) 10 7 >performer (ESFP) 10 7 >composer (ISFP) 10 5 > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >http://come.to/The_E-Tour > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 11:41:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 2 ,2 many.... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.84040.0> Precedence: bulk I am recieving messages this weekend doubled.....the same message twice??? what could cause this.....thanks ,Abbie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 11:57:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:47:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FW: "Bungi 101" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:45:20 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.184520.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 11:46:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << Whereabouts in WV? The north central part of the state is part of glassmaking heaven >> Blenko glass is also in Milton, W.V. The Fenton glass factory is in Williamstown, W.V. - near Parkersburg. They have a nice tour. Went to school, just across the river from W.V. - love the state and the people who live there. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 12:28:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:02:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: melissah@scci.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: ng Re: West (By God) Virginia Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:00:56 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.19056.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/13/99 9:41:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, melissah@scci.net writes: << If you are close to Charleston or Huntington >> I was in Huntington once... I remember we went to a park to play tennis and the Magnolias were in bloom, quite a site. In W.V., all the cows have two legs shorter than the other,,, from standing on the mountains. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 12:39:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:36:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:35:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.19352.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 1:15:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << Watch out for Winnie the Pooh et al. Disney holds the copyright on them, and I've heard from several sources that Disney is the meanest thing alive when it comes to copyright infringement. Sparks >> Yes, many years ago a church kindergarten here had several Disney characters painted in their playground. The Disney Co. jumped on them and the nonprofit church had to take down the character or be sued. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 12:53:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:43:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Great glass-artist web sites Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:42:53 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.194253.0> Precedence: bulk I just found these two while surfing the net.... Stained Glass of Ichiro Tashiro: Lots of lamps, folding screens, etc., beautiful Japanese natural stuff, "glass house" terrariums: http://www.tcp- ip.or.jp/~itashiro/index.html Animal Sculptures and Stained Glass lamps by Arkie Pisello, Sr....... all kinds of 3-D stuff including a king cobra lamp, a scarlet macaw, and the Statue of Liberty: http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ Just for fun while watching the snow fall........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 12:54:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:17:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:15:28 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.191528.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 10:15:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << Watch out for Winnie the Pooh et al. Disney holds the copyright on them, and I've heard from several sources that Disney is the meanest thing alive when it comes to copyright infringement. >> I'm sure your right, but Winnie is not a Disney character, like Mickey. I think that fact results in greater latitude in using the character. Obviously that wouldn't include copying a copyrighted Disney graphic. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 13:14:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:00:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:07:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.877.0> Precedence: bulk Yep ,,, others have reminded me. When I made these it was not as an item for general public purchase, but as a friends request. I haven't made any since, but its a shame cause they turn out so cute. If Disney has published the regular Mickey Mouse crowd for patterns I wish they would bring out some the Christopher Robin characters. I think they would be big sellers. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 12:18 PM Subject: Selling Winnie the Pooh > >In a message dated 3/13/99 2:34:16 PM, rjlcon@ticnet.com wrote: > >>All of a sudden three of the guys wanted Whinny the Pooh > >Watch out for Winnie the Pooh et al. Disney holds the copyright on them, and >I've heard from several sources that Disney is the meanest thing alive when it >comes to copyright infringement. > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 13:27:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:00:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: POLL Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:57:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.75741.0> Precedence: bulk My most favorite: is when all the pieces fit and are foiled so you can see close to your finished piece. My second most favorite is when my husband wants to get into the act and wants to try to help on a project or creat one of his own. His very first was a large suncatcher of about 100 pieces of a toucan and foilage, he did pretty well. Now he wants to creat a panal lamp with a wisteria motief. He's too brave for his own good sometimes.. My least favorite: is final finish and polishing..... rub that sucker til it shines!! Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: Re: POLL > >In a message dated 3/13/99 3:43:59 PM, pkelly@n-link.com wrote: > >>Most favorite.... everything >> >>Least favorite... cleaning up afterwards..... yuck... > > > >I'd have to say my least favorite thing right now is cutting, since it's my >least developed skill so far. > >My "most favorite" is assembly and soldering (although I'm not real crazy >about contending with the bubbles on the second side; that's a pain in the >drain). Once everything is foiled and laid out, you finally get the first look >at what the finished piece is *really* going to look like. That's thrilling! I >especially like the challenge of 3-D assembly. > >Oh, and don't tell anyone, but I also like doing repairs (but then you all >knew I was weird!), and if I say so myself, I'm not half-bad at it........... > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 13:41:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 2 ,2 many.... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:07:23 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.20723.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 2:42:35 PM, ABBIE23875@prodigy.net wrote: >I am recieving messages this weekend doubled.....the same message twice??? >what could cause this.....thanks ,Abbie I dunno, but I'm getting a lot of twofers, too. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:00:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:11:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:07:27 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.20727.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 2:15:28 PM, JJKIRBY wrote: >I'm sure your right, but Winnie is not a Disney character, like Mickey. I think >that fact results in greater latitude in using the character. Obviously that wouldn't >include copying a copyrighted Disney graphic. I don't know whether they hold the rights to the original Milne/Shepard story/pictures per se (in fact, I don't think they do, although by now the Disney Empire may include the company that does hold at least the US rights!), but they do hold the rights to its adaptation, including (but not limited to) the cartoon movies they've made out of the story. According to a good friend of my brother's who managed a Disney store for several years (and had to shave off his mustache, never mind that "Uncle Walt" wore a fuzzy caterpillar all his adult life! evidently it can be a really fascist company when it wants to be), the familiar Winnie the Pooh in the red shirt is indeed as much a Disney character as Mickey, and the little copyright notices you see all over Winnie-the-Pooh products won't let you forget it. I believe their rights also cover the option of making a live-action version like they did with "101 Dalmatians," etc. Now that's something I'd like to see -- a live-action Winnie the Pooh movie, with characters made by Henson's Creature Shop or computer-generated by ILM -- or even the folks who did "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" -----------Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:04:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:19:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Elleni Drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:16:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.101646.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Elleni Drafts >Lest Favorite: grinding....makes my hands feel yucky< That's as good a reason as any to give it up IMPO! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:18:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:46:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: <199903142043.PAA07080@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/14/99 12:25 PM Bob E Duchesneau BOBDU@prodigy.net >>>>good feeling is leaving the colors up to me. >>It is not easy trying to anticipate what someone else >wants/expects. > >No it's not, but it sure is fun! I still get that rush too. >Yes, when they say "be creative, do what you want," that's the >best! > >Suzanne<< > >Heck, it is such a good feeling that it can even cause me to pry >harder on that steel spring that keeps my billfold shut when >buying supplies for the project. Bob > >Bob Duchesneau Right! and...they're more likely to get some of the old Blenko & Lamberts I acquired a while back!!! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:18:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:22:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: POLL Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:20:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199903142016.PAA04904@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/14/99 11:33 AM Witchdoc3@aol.com Witchdoc3@aol.com >Oh, and don't tell anyone, but I also like doing repairs (but then you all >knew I was weird!), and if I say so myself, I'm not half-bad at it........... > Sparks, I have this lamp been sitting on my table for 3 months now...I love to solder...hmmm! Suzanne Lahaska Litho Imaging Ltd. 33 Union Street, Suite 4 Doylestown, PA 18901 215-340-1202 (VOICE) 215-340-2313 (FAX) Hours - 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM e-mail : litho@ll-imaging.com please go to ll-imaging.com for todays updates Jim :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:22:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:24:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: selling oneself Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:05:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.4559.0> Precedence: bulk Adriana has been chiding me because I carry pictures of my artwork in my wallet instead of pictures of my kids or my new granddaughter. So now I'm carrying both. The bloody thing is now almost an inch thick. I think I will have to open up a branch wallet just to carry it all. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Dee Thompson Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 6:48 PM Subject: Re: selling oneself >> >Carry a small photo album with you where ever you go and if the conversation >> >turns to glass, don't be afraid to whip it out and show what you've done in >> >the past. >> >> Yep, absolutely. Just got a sidelight commission from a chemist in the >> toxicology lab. Broke into the conversation by starting with the lovely >> shapes of the glassware used in the lab. Next comes the pix and the desire >> begins to take shape. >> dee > >You're good! > >T Suz > >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:22:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:25:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Melissa Hall" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:11:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.41128.0> Precedence: bulk "You know you have found that special someone when you realize this is the one person you want to annoy for the rest of your life." (some comedian on the CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation) last week) -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Poll >Hi Dianne, > That's so cool that you and your husband do glass together. Mine likes to >help pick out colors but the sound of scoring glass gives him the willies! >Sometimes I feel a little guilty for picking a hobby that drives him nuts, >but he's been very patient about it. > >Mslissa > >At 05:11 PM 3/13/99 EST, you wrote: >> >>Most favorite............designing free style with just pieces of glass that >>are laying around--boxes & card holders >> >>Least favorite........using a paper pattern-- drawing the pattern out & >>cutting it out. >> >> >> >>My husband and I work together on a lot of projects. I generally come up with >>the idea of that to make, which I enjoy a lot. My husband is better at >>drawing then I am, so he loves that part. I'll tell him to move lines or >>change that shape the other way until we are both happy with it. >> >>Then we fight over what color glass to use. :) We don't see the same >colors it >>seems. He's better at cutting the glass too but I can do it with little >>problem. >> >>He hates grinding and foiling. So I generally do that. Then we both fight >over >>who gets to do the good part--soldering. :) >> >> >>Dianne >>Jacksonville,FL >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:30:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:56:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey)] Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:53:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990314125353.009588b0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar14.198.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:09 AM 3/14/99 -0800, Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > >Carol Swann wrote: >> [clip...] >> >> >> CHARACTER: >> >> (SJ) >> supervisor (ESTJ) 10-12 0 >> inspector (ISTJ) 10 5 >> provider (ESFJ) 15 7 >> protector (ISFJ) 10 2 >> >> [clip...] > >well, Carol, you may have a point here..I think NFs and NTs, probably >particularly the introverts...just are interestd in research and >patterns and thereby more likely to really get into this...I think by >their very nature SJs and SPs are more likely to say "who cares, how >does it matter in the real world anyway" about something like compiling >these statistics...whereas I suspect all of the N types got real excited >about seeing just what kind of profile we all are...it goes with the >type.....I think my husband is an S and he thinks the whole idea of >this type thing is utterly stupid...unless possibly it might be for >vocational plannign or anything but beyond that...nope...pointless >mental gymnastics in HIS mind..... As the sole ISFJ in the respondent group, I feel obligated by type to protect my own kind ;-). There is part of an S that can get into this stufs: it's the noticing-details part. That coupled with curiosity--which may be independent of type...haven't thought about that--about why people do the things they do (Fs) or why systems (don't) work (Ts) can make an S a believer. An S believer would be more likely drawn to the pragmatic application of it all, an N to how the theory fits into the cosmic scheme of things. Of course, a strong J will be happy to have neat little boxes to put it all in so s/he doesn't have to deal with the issue anymore ;-) IMHO, of course. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:36:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:32:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glob lamp contest Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:38:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.8381.0> References: <<199903140337.TAA12797@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk > If you're going to have E. judge it, perhaps the criteria is that they > should be built on stainless steel bowls rather than purchased forms in > keeping with E.'s low-tech/low-cost approach to glass tools???? > > C. > You can sure bet I wont be going out and buying a form! Woks, mixing bowls, you name it. Actually, I think I will go a little smaller than my wok! ;o) Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:43:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:00:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG: Studies Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:45:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.44545.0> Precedence: bulk Yep - right up to the top. That study which the U.S. Surgeon General misquoted and which is now being spread all over the North American media is a perfect example: "Obesity will cause 300,000 deaths in the United States this year". Bull-crap! The original study published in the Journal of Science had to do with bad diet and lack of exercise. In fact it attempted specifically to account for and then eliminate the factor of weight. It even went so far in an addendum to point out that a re-correlation using the weight portion of the statistics showed overly skinny people who had bad diet and exercise habits were MORE likely to die than obese people with the same bad diet and exercise habits. And yet, here the media is flooding us with hundreds of stories about "ideal weight" using this stupid mis-quotation of a study to back them up. (Said Tim as he knocks a sheet of glass off the light table with his rather rotund belly). -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:56 AM Subject: [Fwd: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey)] .... people who quote studies to their own ends dont usually tend to look at how the studies were done and they are usually blissfully ignorant of these things.... ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:49:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:01:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 2 ,2 many.... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.45828.0> Precedence: bulk So am I. Not all, but about 3/4 of the messages I am receiving from Bungi are doubled. And they don't just seem to be replies to messages I sent out, so I don't think it is people doing "reply all". Pretty annoying. I am also sorry to anyone whose message I should have replied to. I am getting so quick to hit the delete button on every second message that I am fairly sure I have deleted stuff I should not have. -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn C Mason To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 12:47 PM Subject: 2 ,2 many.... >I am recieving messages this weekend doubled.....the same message twice??? >what could cause this.....thanks ,Abbie > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 14:56:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:19:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:12:47 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.211247.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 3:54:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, JJKIRBY@aol.com writes: << I'm sure your right, but Winnie is not a Disney character, like Mickey. I think that fact results in greater latitude in using the character. Obviously that wouldn't include copying a copyrighted Disney graphic. >> Disney holds the rights to the Pooh characters. They are crawling all over the Disney channel and parks. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 15:03:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:19:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Great glass-artist web sites Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:18:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.111854.0> References: <<1999Mar14.194253.0>> Precedence: bulk Ichiro Tashiro's website is one of the best stained glass sites I have ever visited. He's so generous in sharing his technique and he's made the site actually fun asking the viewer to try to find hidden animals,insects etc. within his pieces. He does most of his work in the copper foil technique and is basically self taught. He inspires me and gives me hope for my future in glass. I e-mailed him to ask a question and he actually responded promptly and sent additional photos. What a guy! Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > I just found these two while surfing the net.... > > Stained Glass of Ichiro Tashiro: Lots of lamps, folding screens, etc., > beautiful Japanese natural stuff, "glass house" terrariums: > > http://www.tcp- > ip.or.jp/~itashiro/index.html > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 15:37:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:46:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Melissa Hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: West (By God) Virginia Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.124556.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Melissa Hall >This company made much (if not all) of the glass to repair the damage done to church windows in Europe during WWII. = < Blenko makes some nice stuff, but.... um, I don't think the above statement is quite accurate. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 15:55:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:47:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey)] Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:46:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990314144612.00958100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar14.198.0>> Precedence: bulk At 12:53 PM 3/14/99 -0800, *I* wrote: > [clip] >protect my own kind ;-). There is part of an S that can get into this >stufs: it's the noticing-details part. > [clip] I really hate to respond to myself but the second line is such a humbling contradiction :-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 16:04:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:49:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:PDRUSS@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Archives index Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:45:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.124553.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:PDRUSS@aol.com > Ok, I guess I missed it. When I go to the address at the end of all the post: http://www.bungi.com/glass I find the archives alright but sorting throught them is horrible. This archives has a search engine of some kind?? = Albert has only gotten to 1996 organizing this mess.... poor guy does it all out of the goodness of his heart and probably could use a bit of help.... any takers? Best, Dani Greer (P.S. Thanks Albert.) I didn't see it. < ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 16:13:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:52:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: West (By God) Virginia Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990314174722.006a4518@scci.net> References: <<199903141746_MC2-6DF6-693@compuserve.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, I admit I could be wrong. I'm repeating something I was told without doing my own research. :) I'll include small print with that one! Melissa At 05:45 PM 3/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >Message text written by Melissa Hall >>This company made much (if not all) of the glass to >repair the damage done to church windows in Europe during WWII. >< > >Blenko makes some nice stuff, but.... um, I don't think the above >statement is quite accurate. > >Best, > >Dani Greer > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 16:17:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:37:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:36:20 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.223620.0> References: <<3.0.2.32.19990313091153.006a0fe0@scci.net>> Precedence: bulk I'd have to say without hesitation that my least favorite part is the finished part of the soldering, trying to smooth it all into a nice bead. I love the creative part, picking the glass, I love cutting and even like grinding. I find foiling very therapeutic sitting in front of the t.v. mindlessly. I love putting it all together, tack soldering it to hold it all in place.....but then.....oh it has to be ruined. I am such a damned perfectionist that I spend too much time trying to make my solder beads look great. Gee anyone want a parttime job finishing my soldering for me? The benefits include brand new tu-tus every month. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 16:25:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:38:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:36:20 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.223620.0> References: <<199903141537.HAA29092@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Hey thanks for putting together the results. It was fun seeing how many other bungians were alike. We all know that there is an extremely unusual group of people represented on Bungi (my that's an understatement isn't it?). It was nice to see. Thanks. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 16:30:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:05:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: seaspray@mail.island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:47 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar14.23347.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Carol, Thanks for the results, I took the full blown Meyers-Briggs test a couple years ago, didn't check out the version most of the bungis took. I support your conclusion, which basically was a lack of conclusion because it was an unscientific survey. However, I like the theory the lurkers share a personality trait which makes them lurkers. Good job...... IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 16:45:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:20:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: foiling Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.132017.0> Precedence: bulk When foiling a larger piece with large border pieces, do you foil all the way around the outside edge pieces, even through it will be framed in zinc and the outside edges don't really need to be foiled. I usually just foil the whole piece even the part that is under the zinc but was wondering what others do. Thanks, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 16:57:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:21:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Rouge Jean Cousine Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:12:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar14.131239.0> Precedence: bulk The Isenbergs in their book, "Stained Galss Painting", coauthored with Richard Millard, discuss (in rather reverent tones) a very special paint called Rouge Jean Cousine. It is a flesh tone which is applied to the back of a piece of glass. There is a picture in their book of a hand painted with this color. They say in the book that "one paint manufacturer told us he acquired a formula for Rouge Jean Cousine which had everything in it but bat's wings." (page 19 in the edition I have). Have any of you Bungians ever run across a formula for this paint? I would like to try my hand at reproducing the tint. Thanks, Russ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 17:11:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:45:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: trellis.net!72867 From: "J&RinMonroe" <72867@trellis.net> To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:42:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar13.134248.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a pattern for Mt. Fuji or know where I can find one? Thanks, Roseanne -----Original Message----- From: Soraya To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Poll > > >>>> what is your most favorite and least favorite part of working on glass? > >Least favorite....sodering > >Favorite....the actual 'building' of a panel > >Until the snow melts, >Take Care, >Soraya > >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >Soraya's Witches' Thicket at.... >http://www.cros.net/soraya >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >Whatever you are, be a good one. -- Abraham Lincoln > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 18:41:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:12:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Melissa Hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: West (By God) Virginia Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.151134.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Melissa Hall >I'm repeating something I was told< Let's hope it wasn't Blenko who told you! ;-) Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 18:55:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:12:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Linda Jo Letscher" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: foiling Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:11:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.151137.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Linda Jo Letscher" > When foiling a larger piece with large border pieces, do you foil all the= way around the outside edge pieces, even through it will be framed in zin= c and the outside edges don't really need to be foiled. < I don't foil the outside edge.... I usually mark the sides of the pieces that don't need foiling with a sharpie so I remember not to foil. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 19:08:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:27:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:HILLEKER@Citadel.edu" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Rouge Jean Cousine Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:26:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.15266.0> Precedence: bulk Don't waste your time, Russ. You can get a paint called Ruby Red Glass #7106MB through Reusche of which Albinus Elskus makes this remark in his book , The Art of Painting on Glass: "The best since Jean Cousin invented in the sixteenth century the flesh tone called Rouge Jean Cousin. Very smooth when mixed.....". Pg.15 It's a lovely very transparent flesh tone. Hope that helps a bit.... no point in mixing your own paints when something is readily available - you won't believe what's in that stuff! It could kill ya! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 19:11:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:24:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass question about cement brushes Date: Sun, 14 Mar 99 19:23:16 Message-ID: <199903150224.TAA17894@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk I've found that, in reusing the old brush, it only takes a few passes and the brush softens right back up when it comes in contact with the new putty. Though I should make the point that I mix my glazing compound with boiled linseed oil and then apply... Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 20:18:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:34:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Studies Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:15:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.10159.0> References: <<1999Mar14.44545.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Tim & Adriana Atwood wrote: > > Yep - right up to the top. That study which the U.S. Surgeon General > misquoted and which is now being spread all over the North American media is > a perfect example: "Obesity will cause 300,000 deaths in the United States > this year". Bull-crap! > > The original study published in the Journal of Science had to do with bad > diet and lack of exercise. In fact it attempted specifically to account for > and then eliminate the factor of weight. It even went so far in an addendum > to point out that a re-correlation using the weight portion of the > statistics showed overly skinny people who had bad diet and exercise habits > were MORE likely to die than obese people with the same bad diet and > exercise habits. > > And yet, here the media is flooding us with hundreds of stories about "ideal > weight" using this stupid mis-quotation of a study to back them up. > > (Said Tim as he knocks a sheet of glass off the light table with his rather > rotund belly). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Arakelian > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:56 AM > Subject: [Fwd: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey)] > > .... > people who quote studies to their own ends dont > usually tend to look at how the studies were done and they are usually > blissfully ignorant of these things.... > ... > > my personal pet peeve in this department is breastfeeding studies...as someone who was unable to do this supposedly magical thing.....I got greatly upset every time I would read yet another study about another disease greatly reduced by breastfeeding...studies I might add that did not seem confirmed by my admittedly casual observations of children around me.....having done a great deal of reading I have come to the conclusion that since they cant take a group of 100 women, divide them up randomly and insist and supervise that they either formula or breast feed what they have to do is look back and see if people with certain diseases were breast or bottle fed or follow people leaving the hospital doing one or the other to see what happens...well....they sorta overlook the fact that women who at least try to breastfeed probably ate better during pregnancy, probably feed their kids better after they are off hte liquid stuff, are less likely to smoke or live with a smoker and probably about a zillion other health related behaviors....there really is no possible way they can equally match and control everyone for just this one factor and still be ethical....it sorta pisses me off becasue there are all these militant types out there who just love to ream these so called facts down the throats of anyone who is even halfway willing (and some not so willing to boot) to listen..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 20:38:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:36:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: first panel..with help Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990314214803.007688e0@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk snipped.. >> That's so cool that you and your husband do glass together. Mine likes to >>help ... mine,too. I remember the first foil panel I made, agonizing over a nice solder bead. All done and ready for class the next night, I left it proudly on the counter near the coffe pot for him to see. Next morning, i got up after he left for work and found it 'corrected' per the standard he must have learned in some auto body work, 'cause the solder had been completely flattened! He helpfully told me how to do it "correctly so I wouldn't get that "hump"!!! Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 20:39:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:42:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: discover.earthlink.net!leslye2 From: Leslye Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:11:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.161126.0> References: <<1999Mar14.163325.0>> Precedence: bulk Glas Design--a German company--has a set of intricate patterns called Mickey and Friends that Disney "allowed" them to design and then Disney copyrighted them. There is no Winnie the Pooh in the set I have but they may have come out with a second set to include Little Mermaid and on. Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 20:39:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:43:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: discover.earthlink.net!leslye2 From: Leslye Nelson To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG:Live action Winnie the Pooh Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:58:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.155852.0> References: <<1999Mar14.20727.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: snip... <> Actually, the Disney Channel had a 30 minute series with all live action Pooh story characters. The costumes were the kind they use in the theme parks. I could never watch it--too weird. Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 20:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:51:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: foiling Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:49:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199903150245.VAA08101@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/14/99 6:20 PM Linda Jo Letscher andor@ilnk.com >When foiling a larger piece with large border pieces, do you foil all the >way around the outside edge pieces, even through it will be framed in zinc >and the outside edges don't really need to be foiled. I usually just foil >the whole piece even the part that is under the zinc but was wondering what >others do. I always foiled all the way around; then got a repair that was made in Mexico - saw they didn't. They just stopped about 1/2" in on the edges. So I did that on the last panel I made - didn't seem to make any difference. Any experts out there know any reasons to foil all the way around? Inquiring minds...etc. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 20:53:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:20:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Rouge Jean Cousine Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:26:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199903150319.WAA00254@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Have any of you Bungians ever run across a formula for this paint? I > would like to try my hand at reproducing the tint. I'm told (by Julie Sloan) that it's a French formula, jealously guarded. You might be able to buy it, but you won't get the formula. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 20:53:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:57:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Watch out !!!! Info on HAPPY99.EXE TROJAN/WORM Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:46:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.104636.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Everyone, Watch out !!!! Someone in the group is sending the HAPPY99.EXE file, it is a TROJAN / WORM program to people on Bungi list. I do not want to flame anyone, so I will only say that the person who sent it to me, was most likely unaware that their computer is infected with the HAPPY99. The Trojan / Worm program spreads itself by sending a copy of itself to whoever you email. I have already sent them a private email with the information about where to go to find out how to remove it from their computer. Please go to the page below for that information. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html I am responsible for the computers at the church, so I have heard about this little nasty. I want to state AGAIN, The person who sent it is probably unaware that they are sending this to other people. Since the WORM does it, as part of it's internal coding. This web page above contains Full Information on Identifying and Removing the Trojan / Worm from your computer if you opened the HAPPY99.EXE that was sent to the bungi list. Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 21:07:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:51:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: cement brushes....... Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:47:54 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.34754.0> Precedence: bulk I missed the original post about cement brushes but I wash old toothbrushes in the dishwasher and save them for cementing small projects. (and they look very festive sitting in a jar on the window ledge above my work table) Oh, one other comment......Steve's post that compared the different personality types to a pool party.....made perfect sense to me.....it's my NTness that makes me answer every NG post that comes along...... SPs will jump into the pool immediately and begin to invent games SJs will find the host(ess) to see if they can do anything to help NTs will huddle and talk about something like business or politics NFs will group and talk about people ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 21:18:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:54:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: Internet Charges to your phone bill Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:56:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.155638.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BE6E65.892C80E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0059_01BE6E65.892C80E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0059_01BE6E65.892C80E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got this message from my son-in-law this afternoon. You guys may feel = it's important so I'm passing it on to all. =20 Please go to the link below, find your representive, and follow the = instructions to send him/her an email to NOT support the internet charge = initiative!! CNN stated that the Government would in two weeks time decide to allow = or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a long-distance call = each time you access the internet. The address to find your Congressperson is: http://www.house.gov/writerep Please visit the address above and fill out the necessary form! We all = were aware that the Government has been pressured by the telephone = companies to consider such a charge and now it's reality! If EACH one of = us forward this message on to others in a hurry, we may be able to = prevent this injustice from happening. Please take the time and visit the url address above and follow the = instructions... Your vote may make a BIG difference... None of us should = be charged a long-distance call each time we access the internet... In addition, please forward this to all your friends and relatives who = also access the Internet... Sounds important to me cause I don't need the extra expense and it would = take the fun out of being able to talk to all of you... Jackie =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0059_01BE6E65.892C80E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got this message from my son-in-law this afternoon. You guys may = feel=20 it's important so I'm passing it on to=20 all.       
 
Please go to the link below, find your representive, and follow the = instructions to send him/her an email to NOT support the internet charge = initiative!!
 
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send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 22:12:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:04:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Inland Quickie Polisher Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:01:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.18138.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19990312081528.0069b568@pop3.sunset.net>> Precedence: bulk > From: Kay Frith Allen [mailto:fullspec@sunset.net] > Has anyone tried the Inland Quickie Polisher? Kay, I was given one as a gift. I admit I have not needed to use it for something as difficult as removing rust, but it is FABULOUS for scrubbing out all the gooey black adhesive that melts out from under the edges of black-backed foil and collects in the corners. It's also great for polishing off white oxidation buildup on repair jobs, etc. I'm sure a dremel could do the job just as well on a low speed setting, but have never seen a dremel tip which was a brush. It is the flexible nature of the brush which makes this one so good for getting into tight corners. One suggestion: get a lot of extra tips. The bristles fray and bend quite easily, so after a while the tip looks more like a feather duster than an eraser. Don't know how the prices of the two compare, but obviously a Dremel is a much more universally useful tool. If you can get heads for it that do what you need, you'd be better off investing in a dremel. Elizabeth Johnson dmj@cyberportal.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 22:51:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:36:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: first panel..with help Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:39:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.173944.0> Precedence: bulk > 'cause the solder had been >completely flattened! He helpfully told me how to do it "correctly so I >wouldn't get that "hump"!!! >Dee So was he at least sorry when he regained consciousness? Man! Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 23:03:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:56:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "suzy@comcat.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: foiling Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:54:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.175440.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I don't claim to be the expert, but I do foil all the way around when I'm going to put a zinc came around the edges . Have you ever watched when someone solders copper pipe for plumbing how the solder will suck itself up into the connection to seal the two pieces together. Will the same happens on the glass project. When you've fluxed the solder lines that meet the zinc a little will go inside the U channel whether we notice or not. When you go to solder that joint where the bead meets the zinc the solder will follow where the flux went attaching not only the solder line from the pattern to the zinc but also the copper foiled edge inside the U of the channel to the zinc. I have now attached outside and inside the U channel. It may not be important but I found accidentally how well it reinforced all my joints when I tried to take one apart.... May not be what others suggest ,but I feel better knowing it's there.........Just a thought.. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: suzy@comcat.com To: glass bungi line Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:04 PM Subject: Re: foiling >3/14/99 6:20 PM Linda Jo Letscher andor@ilnk.com > >>When foiling a larger piece with large border pieces, do you foil all the >>way around the outside edge pieces, even through it will be framed in zinc >>and the outside edges don't really need to be foiled. I usually just foil >>the whole piece even the part that is under the zinc but was wondering what >>others do. > >I always foiled all the way around; then got a repair that was made in >Mexico - saw they didn't. They just stopped about 1/2" in on the edges. >So I did that on the last panel I made - didn't seem to make any >difference. Any experts out there know any reasons to foil all the way >around? Inquiring minds...etc. > >Suzanne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 14 23:54:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:09:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dee Thompson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: first panel..with help Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:15:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.181537.0> References: <<3.0.32.19990314214803.007688e0@pop.erols.com>> Precedence: bulk > He helpfully told me how to do it "correctly so I > wouldn't get that "hump"!!! > Dee Oh that is awful....lol...but so sweet! ;o) Did you just scream? I made a ton of winged hearts around Valentines day. I had different colors...red heart, blue wings....etc...and was in production mode, so I had them all laid out ready to foil. My husband decided to see if I knew where all the parts went, and mixed them all up! Well.....they werent exactly interchangable, there were 3 different sizes...and what looks from a distance as a fit isnt always up close. I was not too thrilled when I saw his little joke! Took me a while to get it all straightened out. Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 00:13:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:40:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: leslye2@discover.earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:35:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.203538.0> Precedence: bulk Actually, the Glasdesign Disney patterns have been DISCONTINUED. Disney refused to renew their license to produce them. In the original pattern package its said that they were only granting the right to make the patterns for personal use. I suspect that the Disney spies detected a few of them at craft shows and realised that the existence of these patterns was only encouraging more of this undesireable behavior on the part of glass people and pulled the plug. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:11:26 -0500 Leslye Nelson writes: >Glas Design--a German company--has a set of intricate patterns called >Mickey and >Friends that Disney "allowed" them to design and then Disney >copyrighted them. >There is no Winnie the Pooh in the set I have but they may have >come out with >a second set to include Little Mermaid and on. > >Leslye > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 00:26:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:23:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: hoax was Re: Internet Charges to your phone bill Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:23:08 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.7238.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/15/99 12:19:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, rjlcon@ticnet.com writes: << I got this message from my son-in-law this afternoon. You guys may feel = it's important so I'm passing it on to all. =20 Please go to the link below, find your representive, and follow the = instructions to send him/her an email to NOT support the internet charge = initiative!! CNN stated that the Government would in two weeks time decide to allow = or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a long-distance call = each time you access the internet. >> Once again, this rumor has been around since 1991. The longest 2 weeks I've ever seen. Here is a web site about it. Don't Spread that Hoax! Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 05:29:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:46:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: What no wok? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.24616.0> Precedence: bulk This might be a dumb question...but will solder stick to a stainless bowl? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 05:47:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:54:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Hubby no mess with gl_ _ _! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.25356.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Suzane, There are times when hubby needs to leave some things alone and my glass is one of those things! I hope all of the folks up in northern Bungi-land are not too snowed in and are all staying warm.The snow missed most of us in Va. but we got 2inches of rain last night .Temperatures are going to be in the 70's by Friday....go figure. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 06:08:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:05:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: are you snowed in yet? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:04:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.3443.0> Precedence: bulk Soldering in the snow....that could be nice... all we got was rain<^>. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 06:31:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:20:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Questions on Tools Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:08:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.21843.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I am needing to buy a grinder. From what I have read, many of you have these little beasties. I have worked a little with a Diamond Star II, and it does a nice job. Only, the owner and I am no longer seeing each other. That is another story, and one that I am glad has come to an end, to much intentionally broken expensive glass, figuratively speaking. I have found a grinder at a store up in Brea, for about 135.00. I also saw a Taurus ring saw for 449.00. Are these good prices, or could I find better. I am unable to purchase with credit card, so it is a cash only basis for me from now on. Could any of you offer experience on what grinders are best for a serious hobbyist/wannabe artist? Also, if any of you have experience with the Taurus ring saw, how durable is it, how expensive are the replacement blades, and bearings, how long do they last? Any other info that you can think to add. Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 06:47:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:57:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: "Jak N Wolfy" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Internet Charges to your phone bill Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:58:38 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1999Mar14.155638.0>> Precedence: bulk My sister heard this a week ago and called her congressman. He says it is not true. >CNN stated that the Government would in two weeks time decide to allow = >or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a long-distance call = >each time you access the internet. Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 07:00:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:08:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Goof Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Let me tell you what happens when a newby doesn't know something and doesn't think to plan ahead. She cuts and grinds 75 pieces for her most complicated piece to date - a panel to fit in a small window over her kitchen sink. She tacks her boards around the border and lays out the beautiful glass (and stands admiring it for an hour or so, so proud of herself). Then she starts the task of foiling the pieces. By the fourth piece she realizes there is a BIG problem. She didn't leave any space for the foil. So the pieces won't go back into place. If I start from the middle and foil to the outside. Will it work to grind off some off all the border pieces after I find out how much more space I need? I certainly don't want to have to grind some off all 75 pieces. Help, help, help. And I bet I never make this mistake again. Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 08:42:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:02:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Inland Quickie Cleaner/Polisher Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:02:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar14.23247.0> Precedence: bulk Inland is dropping production of the cleaner/polisher and it is no longer available according to my supplier. Anyone else heard the same? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 09:01:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:12:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: foiling Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:06:53 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.15653.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 7:46:27 PM, andor@ilnk.com wrote: >When foiling a larger piece with large border pieces, do you foil all the >way around the outside edge pieces, even through it will be framed in zinc Yup. Tin the edges all the way around, too. Speaking of not foiling the outside edges: one of the oddest things I've ever seen was a line of angel suncatchers that didn't have foil around the front of the face (which was in profile). The things didn't even look finished, for Pete's sake! --Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 09:03:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:19:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Elleni Drafts'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Goof Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:21:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.52118.0> Precedence: bulk Elleni, You are going to have to grind a little from around every side of each piece in order for it to fit. Dopn't believe me? Try this. Take a copy of your cartoon and cut it out with single cuts, no allowance. Now put it back together on the table with a little space between each piece. Start anywhere you want. Won't work...unless each it is cut up into squares or rectangle and all lines are parallel. Just my expereince tho. I have tried to explain this to others and failed. Maybe Albert or someone has a better answer. Linda Let me tell you what happens when a newby doesn't know something and doesn't think to plan ahead. She cuts and grinds 75 pieces for her most complicated piece to date - a panel to fit in a small window over her kitchen sink. She tacks her boards around the border and lays out the beautiful glass (and stands admiring it for an hour or so, so proud of herself). Then she starts the task of foiling the pieces. By the fourth piece she realizes there is a BIG problem. She didn't leave any space for the foil. So the pieces won't go back into place. If I start from the middle and foil to the outside. Will it work to grind off some off all the border pieces after I find out how much more space I need? I certainly don't want to have to grind some off all 75 pieces. Help, help, help. And I bet I never make this mistake again. Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 09:07:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:25:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What no wok? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:24:00 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.15240.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/15/99 8:30:55 AM, ABBIE23875@prodigy.net wrote: >This might be a dumb question...but will solder stick to a stainless bowl? Yup. (It won't stick to an aluminum one, however.) And no, it's not a dumb question at all. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 09:25:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:47:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Elleni Drafts" , Subject: Re: Goof Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:45:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.234524.0> Precedence: bulk Been there done that! UGH. Well... yes and no... it all depends on the design... but cutting off the edges is the most time effective way of fixing the enlargment - in my experience. Be careful of overcorrecting your next piece - - deciding to leave too big a gap for the solder! (the piece SHRINKS - or has to have some god ugly thick and think solder lines. g'luck Alan -----Original Message----- From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 7:05 AM Subject: Goof >Let me tell you what happens when a newby doesn't know something and >doesn't think to plan ahead. She cuts and grinds 75 pieces for her most >complicated piece to date - a panel to fit in a small window over her >kitchen sink. She tacks her boards around the border and lays out the >beautiful glass (and stands admiring it for an hour or so, so proud of >herself). Then she starts the task of foiling the pieces. By the fourth >piece she realizes there is a BIG problem. She didn't leave any space for >the foil. So the pieces won't go back into place. > >If I start from the middle and foil to the outside. Will it work to grind >off some off all the border pieces after I find out how much more space I >need? I certainly don't want to have to grind some off all 75 pieces. Help, >help, help. And I bet I never make this mistake again. > > >Elleni >ellenid@earthlink.net >South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 09:38:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:26:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Hubby no mess with gl_ _ _! and snow is a 4-letter word that starts with S....... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:22:52 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.152252.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/15/99 8:48:28 AM, ABBIE23875@prodigy.net wrote: >Hey Suzane, There are times when hubby needs to leave some things alone and >my glass is one of those things! Thank Gawd my sweetie is so in awe of the process and the skill involved that he won't come anywhere near it! >I hope all of the folks up in northern >Bungi-land are not too snowed in and are all staying warm. Out here west of Philly we ended up with about 8" and our electricity was off from 12:30 to 7:30 a.m. There are quite a few trees and branches down all over the place because it's heavy wet stuff. >Temperatures are >going to be in the 70's by Friday....go figure. Hey, send some of that up here! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 09:50:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:51:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: ellenid@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Goof Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:49:43 -0500 Message-ID: <199903151541.KAA05055@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > If I start from the middle and foil to the outside. Will it work to grind > off some off all the border pieces after I find out how much more space I > need? I certainly don't want to have to grind some off all 75 pieces. Help, > help, help. And I bet I never make this mistake again. I would definitely recommend grinding each piece. Grinding the edge pieces only MAY work, but it is unlikely. It would not look good even if you could coerce them into sort-of fitting. Did you start with a full-scale drawing? If so, then each piece, after grinding, should fit entirely within the outline of that piece on the drawing. I use the pattern shears for cutting the patterns. This automatically takes out a sliver of paper which makes allowance for the foil thickness. --- But reading this again, I am slightly puzzled. You say the glass fit before foiling and not after? You must have cut them EXTREMELY precisely, such that the few thousandth's of an inch added by the foil made enough of a difference that they would no longer fit but they did fit before. Is it possible that you could squeeze them together, using pins to hold them together until you have at least tack-soldered, and make it all fit? It is rather amazing that the tiny added thickness of the foil made enough difference! (Lead came, of course, I could easily imagine.) -- David C ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 09:58:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:51:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Experience with selling Beveled doors? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:45:01 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.15451.0> Precedence: bulk Have any of you had experience with selling cluster-beveled panels for doors or side windows to home building contractors or directly to the home owner? Seems like every new home in our neighborhood has such features. I'm making one now for our home's side window beside the front door. Any tips on: 1) how to approach contractors or direct homeowners; 2) pricing the pieces; 3) making a decent profit; 4) thing to watch out for? Thanks Keith in Wichita, Kansas ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 10:00:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:37:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: foiling Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:35:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.53542.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Linda Jo Letscher" >When foiling a larger piece with large border pieces, do you foil all th= e way around the outside edge pieces, even through it will be framed in zin= c and the outside edges don't really need to be foiled. I usually just foi= l the whole piece even the part that is under the zinc but was wondering wh= at others do.< I foil all edges. Takes too long for me to figure out which is the outside edge, and time is money. So, to heck with it, I foil all edges. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 10:07:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:53:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Elleni Drafts" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Goof Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.55330.0> Precedence: bulk Ellen, Sorry for your goof. These are the lessons we all learn in our glass journey. I can't imagine that the person that taught you glass didn't mention that you have to leave room when cutting your pattern or tracing or whatever mode you were taught, that is why there is a line in the pattern that is wide and why they make pattern shears. Boy you are in a pickle. I have never come up with your particular problem, that is for sure. If I was faced with this dilemma I would get the pattern out and lay the pieces on and grind down the pieces or cut if you can so that there is a space for the foil. So the pieces fit in the pattern like a puzzle and you can see the line down in between. Remember the foil is 1.5 mil thick or there abouts so we aren't talking a lot. The width of a sharp felt pen is my benchmark. I have a window I am hoping to start soldering tomorrow and I have a couple pieces that after foiling just don't fit right and I am going to recta those. All part of the job. Good luck, don't get discouraged, it won't take long to trim down the pieces to fit the pattern. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 10:02 AM Subject: Goof >Let me tell you what happens when a newby doesn't know something and >doesn't think to plan ahead. She cuts and grinds 75 pieces for her most >complicated piece to date - a panel to fit in a small window over her >kitchen sink. She tacks her boards around the border and lays out the >beautiful glass (and stands admiring it for an hour or so, so proud of >herself). Then she starts the task of foiling the pieces. By the fourth >piece she realizes there is a BIG problem. She didn't leave any space for >the foil. So the pieces won't go back into place. > >If I start from the middle and foil to the outside. Will it work to grind >off some off all the border pieces after I find out how much more space I >need? I certainly don't want to have to grind some off all 75 pieces. Help, >help, help. And I bet I never make this mistake again. > > >Elleni >ellenid@earthlink.net >South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 10:18:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:55:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Glass@Bungi.com" Subject: Hate giving away my glass Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:53:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar14.235359.0> Precedence: bulk Hello - everyone What a wonderful day.... I finished an eight panel lamp that I made for my sister. (I made the mistake of commenting on an ugly lamp she had bought at a garage sale ((you know prefab stained glass! UGH!))). Well, she chided me and I took the bait exclaiming -- "Of course I can make panels better than that." I didn't count (thought there were only 6 panels). So, off to the workshop, to do my first lamp.... Bought the best glass ($20 a panel x 3) and designed my heart out.... tears -- gave it to her last night... had to drive it to her or I knew I'd never give it up.... Yes, her appriciation was worth almost as much as the money it could have been sold for... and the worst part was when she told me she only spent $15 on the original hideous monstrosity! So, for her $15 and her inteligent manipulation of her younger brother she got -- from me -- @ $60 in glass and solder and about 16 hours of my diligent work.... SHE MADE OUT! (It's a good thing I love her!) Alan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 10:22:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:00:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: first panel..with help Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:13:49 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.151349.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/15/99 1:52:01 AM, gecko@ipa.net wrote: >So was he at least sorry when he regained consciousness? That's what my enquiring mind wants to know......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 10:26:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:45:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bud Britt" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Questions on Tools Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:44:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.54450.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, I have a new Taurus 2.2 ring saw and love it. But that being said, I only use it when there are cuts I can't make and for small letters and cut outs for my steppings stones and such. I have had no problems, had a groumet break and the retail store I bought it from replaced it at no charge, warranty covered it. I know a person that cuts ALL their glass with the ring saw and has had NO problem at all. I would check Warner-Crivallero and Delphi just to make sure your prices are ball park. There should be several retail glass stores in your area and just mention what you found at W-C and see what they come up with. $449.00 is high for the saw as W-C has it on sale now for $350.00 shipping included. Check it out. Grinder, I would think (and I haven't looked recently) that $100.00 would be ballpark. It pays to check around these days. The money you can save on equipment you can spend on glass. (but buy the best you can afford is my motto, especially, glass cutter, grozers and breakers, lead nippers, grinder, etc.) When I starated glass 12 years ago I bought the top of the line Glasstar grinder and have never had a problem with it ever. It is the best piece of equipment I have ever bought as far as trouble. I clean it and tell it what good work it does for me and it just keeps on keeping on. Good luck in your search. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt To: Bungi Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 9:33 AM Subject: Questions on Tools >Hello Everyone, > >I am needing to buy a grinder. From what I have read, many of you have these >little beasties. I have worked a little with a Diamond Star II, and it does >a nice job. Only, the owner and I am no longer seeing each other. That is >another story, and one that I am glad has come to an end, to much >intentionally broken expensive glass, figuratively speaking. > >I have found a grinder at a store up in Brea, for about 135.00. I also saw a >Taurus ring saw for 449.00. Are these good prices, or could I find better. I >am unable to purchase with credit card, so it is a cash only basis for me >from now on. > >Could any of you offer experience on what grinders are best for a serious >hobbyist/wannabe artist? > >Also, if any of you have experience with the Taurus ring saw, how durable is >it, how expensive are the replacement blades, and bearings, how long do they >last? Any other info that you can think to add. > >Sincerely, >Bud Britt > >Unity Church of Tustin >computerministry@unitytustin.org >http://www.unitytustin.org >14402 South Prospect Ave. >Tustin, CA 92780 >714-730-3444 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 11:28:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:59:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bud Britt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Watch out !!!! Info on HAPPY99.EXE TROJAN/WORM Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:57:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.85755.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bud- We already went through the Happy99 virus thing a couple of = months back and hopefully everyone saved the URL's for sites to correct the problem, etc. Thanks for yet another warning though. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 11:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:00:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: foiling Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.85758.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "suzy@comcat.com" >Any experts out there know any reasons to foil all the way = around? < No reason to foil all around unless you want the added job of razoring out the copper foil that peeks out from underneath the lead border. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 12:07:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:00:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Witchdoc3@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: foiling Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.8589.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Witchdoc3@aol.com >Yup. Tin the edges all the way around, too.< I beg to differ.... don't foil the outside edge... it's totally superfluous. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 12:25:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:42:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: rjlcon@ticnet.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:31:32 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.193132.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 1:15:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, rjlcon@ticnet.com writes: << I wish they would bring out some the Christopher Robin characters. I think they would be big sellers. >> There are some really good sites on the web with Pooh graphics. I'm going to be starting a project for my niece who's expecting twins. She's doing the nursery in a total Winnie the Pooh theme. Sorry I'd didn't save the site name, but if you search for "winnie the pooh" , I sure you'll find lots of good ideas. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 13:55:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:45:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:38:11 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.193811.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 2:01:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << but they do hold the rights to its adaptation, including (but not limited to) the cartoon movies they've made out of the story. >> I think we need an expert here. Anything they produce/adapt is copyrightable. I don't think they can claim violation on anything I produce. On the other hand, they may own the character, graphic et al. Somewhere on the net, there is a list of public domain literature... I'll check it out. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 14:15:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:50:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey)] Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:47:20 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.194720.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/14/99 2:31:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, steve@villagesoftsmith.com writes: << As the sole ISFJ in the respondent group, I feel obligated by type to protect my own kind ;-). >> One thing that I learned about personality typing... You cannot predict behaviour, or even likes and dislikes based on types. Humans are quite complex in their behaviour. The only purpose I can see in typing is that it may help us to understand our selves and help us in our interactions. There are some companies that use typing as part of applicant screening which can be a very dangerous road. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 14:20:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:18:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: gift of glass Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:20:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.142017.0> Precedence: bulk Alan - As an older sister to a loving brother - You did good! I can see my brother doing something like you did. He is easy to goad and he has a very generous nature. I am sure she will always cherish the lamp you made her - and appreciate it even more than you may know. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 14:20:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:11:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Foiling outside edges Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:09:05 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199903152111.PAA08313@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I never intend to foil the outside edge, but sometimes forget >BG< and then regret it when, as someone (Dani?) said, the foil "peeks" out from under the zinc and I have to remove it with an exacto knife. Besides, being congenitally "frugal," I don't see any reason to waste foil. On a small panel it's no big deal, but on the large one I'm working on, that's a few yards of foil! : -) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 14:36:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:47:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Watch out !!!! Info on HAPPY99.EXE TROJAN/WORM Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:57:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.35752.0> Precedence: bulk I agree, the person sending this probably did not know they were sending it. They will not even know it when they look in their sent mail or outbox folders. They may even deny it without knowing they really did do it. One of the characteristics of the happy99 virus is that it infects the mail as it goes out, yet leaves the copy in the sender's email looking as if it was perfectly OK. What this person, and everyone else should never NEVER do is open an .exe file in the first place if they do not know what it is and that it came from a clean computer. !!! EXTREME WARNING !!!! Over the last two weeks a small percentage of happy99 have been turned into something MUCH MORE DANGEROUS !!!! Please see my post following in a few minutes for complete information. -----Original Message----- From: Bud Britt To: Bungi Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:59 PM Subject: Watch out !!!! Info on HAPPY99.EXE TROJAN/WORM >Dear Everyone, > >Watch out !!!! Someone in the group is sending the HAPPY99.EXE file, it is a >TROJAN / WORM program to people on Bungi list. > >I do not want to flame anyone, so I will only say that the person who sent >it to me, was most likely unaware that their computer is infected with the >HAPPY99. The Trojan / Worm program spreads itself by sending a copy of >itself to whoever you email. > >I have already sent them a private email with the information about where to >go to find out how to remove it from their computer. > >Please go to the page below for that information. > >http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html > >I am responsible for the computers at the church, so I have heard about this >little nasty. > >I want to state AGAIN, > >The person who sent it is probably unaware that they are sending this to >other people. Since the WORM does it, as part of it's internal coding. > >This web page above contains Full Information on Identifying and Removing >the Trojan / Worm from your computer if you opened the HAPPY99.EXE that was >sent to the bungi list. > > >Sincerely, >Bud Britt > >Unity Church of Tustin >computerministry@unitytustin.org >http://www.unitytustin.org >14402 South Prospect Ave. >Tustin, CA 92780 >714-730-3444 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 14:58:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:48:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Inland Quickie Polisher Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:21:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.4211.0> Precedence: bulk The Dremel company offers several brushes in different shapes in multiple harnesses. They also offer a full range of other polishing tools. Many other companies offer tips for Dremel and other rotary tools at a lower price than Dremel itself. The brush sets, felt sets, and polishing "rubber" tips I use all come from the Lee Valley Tools catalogue at a significantly lower price than the Dremel name brand ones. (Lee Valley also sells some of the Dremel tips, but they cost more). I also noticed when I was in Home Depot last week that they had an entire display of Dremel tips about 8' by 8' crammed with just about every tip one could imagine. I have never used the Inland tool or priced it or the tips. However, knowing the prices of Inland grinder heads versus after-market heads, I would suspect the after market rotary tool tips are also much less expensive. Both my Dremel corded and my Dremel cordless work great. I prefer my Foredom flex shaft though. The small handle gives me excellent control without the hand fatigue of holding a larger tool. The variable speed foot control is wonderful. But of course at $275 (Canadian) for the base Foredom, plus another $76.50 Cdn. for the #8 handpiece which I prefer for this sort of delicate work, the Foredom is a tool which you will probably only buy if you are a professional or have other uses for it. You may also want to consider it if you are planning to do this for a long time. Dremel tools really only have a two year lifespan if used regularly. I have seen a properly maintained Foredom last for 20 years with just flex shaft replacement ($14.95 Cdn.). -----Original Message----- From: Dean Johnson To: Bungi List Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:18 PM Subject: RE: Inland Quickie Polisher ... >I'm sure a >dremel could do the job just as well on a low speed setting, but have never >seen a dremel tip which was a brush. It is the flexible nature of the brush >which makes this one so good for getting into tight corners. ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 15:15:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:48:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 2 ,2 many.... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:28:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.42856.0> Precedence: bulk Most Bungi messages are relatively small. Unless you are very short on disc space, the volume should not lock up any of the email clients or servers I know about. The more important thing is size. If you ever receive huge .avi or .mpg video files attached to messages, these can easily eat up all your disc space, be rejected by your server, or send your server over an email space limit it may have. Luckily I have never seen anyone on Bungi sending this sort of crap. (And believe me I will complain if I ever do). -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn C Mason To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 6:06 AM Subject: Re: 2 ,2 many.... >I love being on Bungi but I have so many messages I wonder if I could lock >something up on my computer if I don't read and delete everyday. >?????-----Original Message----- >From: Tim & Adriana Atwood >To: Glass List >Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 6:03 PM >Subject: Re: 2 ,2 many.... > > >>So am I. Not all, but about 3/4 of the messages I am receiving from Bungi >>are doubled. And they don't just seem to be replies to messages I sent >out, >>so I don't think it is people doing "reply all". >> >>Pretty annoying. I am also sorry to anyone whose message I should have >>replied to. I am getting so quick to hit the delete button on every second >>message that I am fairly sure I have deleted stuff I should not have. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Evelyn C Mason >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 12:47 PM >>Subject: 2 ,2 many.... >> >> >>>I am recieving messages this weekend doubled.....the same message twice??? >>>what could cause this.....thanks ,Abbie >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 15:21:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:48:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Goof Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:42:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.44218.0> Precedence: bulk Essentially true. You may be able to get away with only grinding certain strategic pieces or areas though. Foil is much thinner that came. If you look carefully you may find only narrow tips where the foil is adding a significant percentage to the width of the piece, or that a few "high" spots are the only places where the foil is making a difference. In the case of narrow points you will probably want to grind the pieces around the point rather than the point itself because you might break the delicate point. There is an old saying in wood working that goes something like this: The best woodworker is not the one who does not make mistakes. Everyone make mistakes. The best woodworker is the one who knows how to repair their mistakes well enough so no one can tell they were ever made. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: 'Elleni Drafts' Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 10:10 AM Subject: RE: Goof >Elleni, > >You are going to have to grind a little from around every side of each >piece in order for it to fit. Dopn't believe me? Try this. Take a copy of >your cartoon and cut it out with single cuts, no allowance. Now put it back >together on the table with a little space between each piece. Start >anywhere you want. Won't work...unless each it is cut up into squares or >rectangle and all lines are parallel. > >Just my expereince tho. I have tried to explain this to others and failed. >Maybe Albert or someone has a better answer. > >Linda > >Let me tell you what happens when a newby doesn't know something and >doesn't think to plan ahead. She cuts and grinds 75 pieces for her most >complicated piece to date - a panel to fit in a small window over her >kitchen sink. She tacks her boards around the border and lays out the >beautiful glass (and stands admiring it for an hour or so, so proud of >herself). Then she starts the task of foiling the pieces. By the fourth >piece she realizes there is a BIG problem. She didn't leave any space for >the foil. So the pieces won't go back into place. > >If I start from the middle and foil to the outside. Will it work to grind >off some off all the border pieces after I find out how much more space I >need? I certainly don't want to have to grind some off all 75 pieces. Help, >help, help. And I bet I never make this mistake again. > > >Elleni >ellenid@earthlink.net >South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 15:33:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:57:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Bud Britt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Questions on Tools Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:56:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.10562.0> References: <<1999Mar14.21843.0>> Precedence: bulk Bud Britt wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I am needing to buy a grinder. From what I have read, many of you have these > little beasties. I have worked a little with a Diamond Star II, and it does > a nice job. Only, the owner and I am no longer seeing each other. That is > another story, and one that I am glad has come to an end, to much > intentionally broken expensive glass, figuratively speaking. > > I have found a grinder at a store up in Brea, for about 135.00. I also saw a > Taurus ring saw for 449.00. Are these good prices, or could I find better. I > am unable to purchase with credit card, so it is a cash only basis for me > from now on. > > Could any of you offer experience on what grinders are best for a serious > hobbyist/wannabe artist? > > Also, if any of you have experience with the Taurus ring saw, how durable is > it, how expensive are the replacement blades, and bearings, how long do they > last? Any other info that you can think to add. > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > Unity Church of Tustin > computerministry@unitytustin.org > http://www.unitytustin.org > 14402 South Prospect Ave. > Tustin, CA 92780 > 714-730-3444 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i like the inland grinders, have'nt heard of the one you saw. the ring saw's price sounds a bit expensive. the ringsaw itself is sturdy and fairly easy to clean. the blades are about $50, i think. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 15:44:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:32:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Archives index Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:26:23 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.212623.0> Precedence: bulk Steve, Didn't even look at what you did yet, but THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! You have made an attempt at the archives and hopefully can get this thing together for the newbies who are often referred there as well as the veterans who remember a thread that they know they didn't record. Archives are such a valuable tool with info galore!!! I can't wait to get into there now! Lenore P.S. Not sure what you are talking about Albert. I could not get info from Archives last time I tried. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 15:48:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:35:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: !! Back Door Virus Alert !! Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:33:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.53350.0> Precedence: bulk "" allows an attacker to take total control of a Windows computer" (Michael Martinez, ABC News). "Back Orifice performs numerous and truly scary activities" (John Dodge, PC Week). I know this is not related to glass, but I feel it is important enough that every person who uses a Windows 95 or 98 computer for email and Internet access must know about it. THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A HOAX. One of our local Internet service providers had their server infected with the Back Orifice program when a high school work experience student ran a stupid little program called "yodafarm.exe" which had the Back orifice program attached to it. Over 800 subscribers had to report their credit card numbers as stolen and get new cards. (Needless to say, I am no longer with that service due to their sh.. poor security procedures). It is also important you know this because in the past two weeks some versions of the happy99 virus have been reported to be carrying Back Orifice as a payload. Normally the happy99 virus is a stupid annoyance but, it was designed to carry payload programs. The fact that someone has now attached Back Orifice as a payload suddenly makes it very dangerous. This week only 1% of happy99 has been infected with Back Orifice as a payload, but if current trends continue you can probably expect as much as 50% by the end of next month. I always follow the standard virus rules of: "You should never open an EXE, COM, SHS, BAT, VBS file or MS Office document unless you know the source and its purpose and even then, check it with an up-to-date antivirus program." You have to open (execute) an .exe file to be infected with any type of attack program or programmatic virus including the very dangerous class of attack programs known as "back door" programs. So long as you never open an .exe file that you do not know is from a safe source, your risk should be low. However, if you are in the habit of opening every little .exe joke people send you then you are putting yourself and your computer at extreme risk. I am trying to inform as many people as I can of this new class of "back door" or "remote control" programs. These programs are much more dangerous than any other virus you have ever heard about. While not truly a virus (they do not replicate themselves), they can be attached to any .exe file, including a true virus. They are not simply some nasty joke designed by some hacker, they are being used by organized crime to steal from everyone who they can infect. The criminals using this new class of viruses have been attaching them to otherwise harmless "jokes". Programs like yodafarm.exe are fun (in a stupid sort of way) and will be safe 99% of the time. But if you ever use your computer for banking or if you ever enter your credit card numbers into your computer in any way, then the other 1% can, and eventually will, result in the equivalent of a stolen credit card or bank account. I am trying to convince everyone I know that the little bit of titillation programs such as yodafarm give are not worth the horrors of having your credit card numbers stolen by organized and highly technically advanced criminal organizations. (Note to Mac, NT and LINUX users: At the current time these back door viruses have only been written to infect Windows 95 or 98. They will not currently work on Mac, NT, LINUX or Windows 3.11. However, it is only a matter of time before the criminals involved will decide it is worth their effort to write versions for these other platforms.) This new class of back door programs, especially Back Orifice, do the following: 1. The instant you sign on the Internet, they send a message to an electronic location notifying that remote computer that you are now on the Internet. The piece of the program doing this has been attached to both the computer's browser software and all dial up connections defined. You will not see any unusual programs running because they are attached to exactly the program you expected to run. 2. A program (person) at the remote location can now gain total access and complete control over your computer through the Internet connection. The other main piece of Back Orifice on your computer will allow full mirroring of your computer onto the remote computer. The person doing this has total access to all files on your computer and they can move them, change them, transmit them or anything else they want. They can also monitor every single key stroke you type on your keyboard and mirror everything showing up on your computer screen. Many people seem to think that because their banking software is encrypted or that they only send their credit card numbers of over a secure server connection they are safe. This is not true. Once a computer is infected with such a virus, then all these other measures have been bypassed. Please note what I said before: Back Orifice can monitor every single keystroke you type on your computer. It does not matter if those keystrokes are then encrypted before they are stored by your banking software on your disk nor that they are encrypted by the secure server connection before being sent over the Internet. They have been monitored and recorded and then transmitted to the remote observer computer as you type them before ever being encrypted. Once again, if you do not run an executable program from an outside source, it is impossible to be infected with Back Orifice or for that matter any other programmatic type virus. But if you do run such programs, I can assure you, you will eventually be infected. Opening an .exe file which you do not know has come from a legitimate and uninfected source has now become roughly equivalent to standing on a street corner in a bad section of town, waving a handful of cash and credit cards over your head and screaming "rob me please rob me"! All I can say is don't do it. Back Orifice information and clean up: http://www.bardon.com/boelimdl.htm http://www.ozemail.com.au/~dwarren/backorifice/index.html Tim Atwood Computing Solutions Canada Holtenwood Studios / Holtenwood Gallery atwoods@aisl.bc.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 15:58:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:11:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Experience with selling Beveled doors? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:09:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.12954.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Classydad@aol.com >Have any of you had experience with selling cluster-beveled panels for doors or side windows to home building contractors or directly to the home owne= r? Seems like every new home in our neighborhood has such features. I'm making one now for our home's side window beside the front door. Any tips on: = 1) how to approach contractors or direct homeowners; 2) pricing the pieces; = 3) making a decent profit; 4) thing to watch out for?< In my area (near Philadelphia) homeowners can purchase leaded doors & sidelights (one unit) from Home Depot or other home improvement centers. These are the brass came bevel cluster with Spectrum clear textures types. No imagination, but they are triple glazed and look very= shiney and purdy, if you catch my drift. However, I mostly make my living doing custom sidelights for folk. I do not work with contractors, but directly witht he homeowners. Usuall= y it's homeowners who are into their 2nd-5th year of owning their home. That's when the new has worn off, and they realize their house looks just like a gazillion others in the area. So they want to make their hou= se look unique. Therefore they think of stained glass to go in their front door or (more commonly) in the sidelights surrounding the front door. Sometimes it's windows in the bathroom ("Gee, it looked nice to have all that clear glass right next to the bathtub/whirlpool when we bought it, but now we can't use it for lack of privacy."). Sometimes it's the 2= nd story entrance stairwell window which just happens to be directly opposite the upstairs bathroom door ("Gee, it looked so nice to see the stairwell chandelier when we bought the house, but now we can't go naked from the bathroom to our bedroom without the neighbors seeing everything.") So, they homeowners lookup my ad in the Yellow Pages (got to do that if you haven't already) and usually phone up for a quote. You have to be able to give some sort of price range over the phone in order to give folk some idea if the stained glass solution they desire is going to cost them $100 or $10,000. Most don't have a clue. So you need to have some sort of pricing scheme which lets you do a quick quote over the phone. Most home owners will know, or will be able to get you the dimensions of the opening. So I worked out a pricing scheme based on the square inches. I've posted my pricing scheme on bungi before, so I won't here. If you want me to send it to you privately send a private email to me. Most of the times the phone quote qualifies your "suspect" into a "prospect". The ones who say, "Gee, I didn't know it would cost so much," you will never see. The rest (the majority BTW) come into the shop, or else you arrange to go over to their house with your receipt= book, glass samples, a few design books, tape measure, calculator, and (optional) piece of foamboard and utility knife. When you go over to the house, you can look at the house's "bones" (i.e. its architecture,= type of ornaments inside/outside around the window, type of land- scaping outside which relates to the window, materials used in the window's room, color scheme inside/outside, etc.). Then you can recommend general flavor of the window (i.e. Mission-style, Art Deco, Victorian, Abstract, Oriental, etc.) and help your prospects select glass. Once you've got them to this stage, you're practically home free. Write down everything decided, work up the fully- qualified quote based on size, complexity of design, special glass requested, bevels, etc. Then take a 10% downpayment in order to do the real design work, and make sure your clients sign the receipt. See my pricing scheme in order to work out how to make a decent profit. What to look out for? Folk who change their mind. Give 'em a couple of chances to change the design, but anything which changes the fun- damental design (especially changes which make the design harder to do), or glass changes, or rush deadlines, will require a new quote (price increase). Make sure you get the signatures on a contract. Hope this helps. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 16:04:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:31:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: JJKIRBY@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: MBTI survey results (Keirsey)] Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:34:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.103454.0> References: <<1999Mar15.194720.0>> Precedence: bulk > There are some companies that use typing as part of applicant >screening which can be a very dangerous road. Too bad they dont have a good, sure fire test to tell who will be the *Ted Bundy*, etc...... I have a cousin I think the FBI should probably keep an eye on! ;o) He is just too wierd for words. Ever hear of some crazy going whacko in Visalia, let me know, and I'll make the call! ;o) T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 16:21:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:23:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: acninc.net!onsager From: TISH & CHRISTIAN ONSAGER To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: FW: Nonglass, school project Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:34:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.43454.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: TISH & CHRISTIAN ONSAGER [mailto:onsager@acninc.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 5:42 PM To: fourthgrade4b@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Nonglass, school project Hello to the fourth grade class in Sieden Prairie School. Tish Onsager Denver, CO -----Original Message----- From: Mosfunland@aol.com [mailto:Mosfunland@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 1:41 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Nonglass, school project I am sending this along to the list, only because its from a group of school kids. I realize our list has members from all over the world, and perhaps you can drop them a note. My apologies if I offend anyone by sending this, I don't usually do it. I can just imagine a map with all the pushpins in it. They have a flag from Phila., PA now... Maureen We are a fourth grade class at Sieden Prairie School in Matteson, Illinois. Our class has 16 boys and 7 girls. Our school has 360 students. We decided to map an email project for our school because we were curious to see how far email can travel by Internet in the United States. Our project will last just two months, beginning January 22, 1999 and ending March 22, 1999 We would like your help. We ask that: 1. If you receive our email letter, could you email our class back telling us your location. Our email address is.... fourthgrade4b@yahoo.com 2. Also, please send our class letter on to 2 more people. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 16:21:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:05:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:02:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar15.2326.0> Precedence: bulk On this same topic: I used to work as a manager for a bakery store. One weekend I was told to rent a costume of Sesame Street's Cookie Monster and find someone to wear it at our store as a promotion. When I went to the costume store store to pick up the rented costume, I told the clerk that I was there to pick up the Cookie Monster costume. She said, Oh, you mean the "Blue Monster" costume, and seeing that it was the Cookie Monster, I said yes - (believe me, this was Cookie Monster, to a T). I also looked around at all of the other costumes they had displayed around the store - including Winnie the Pooh, and I commented on how cute he was - and the clerk again corrected me by saying, "Yes, the "Honey Pot Bear" is cute, isn't he?" (with emphasis on "Honey Pot Bear") and we sorta got a laughed about it. I have no idea about these things, but just thought I'd share this, since it is along the same lines. This costume store had every character imaginable - Disney and otherwise, all with different names, but they were exact copies of the original characters - Elmo was "Red Monster", etc. Go figure. Laura P ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 16:36:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:12:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Jak N Wolfy" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: foiling Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: <199903152307.SAA24755@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/15/99 12:54 AM Jak N Wolfy rjlcon@ticnet.com >Suzanne, > >I don't claim to be the expert, but I do foil all the way around when I'm >going to put a zinc came around the edges . Have you ever watched when >someone solders copper pipe for plumbing how the solder will suck itself up >into the connection to seal the two pieces together. Will the same happens >on the glass project. When you've fluxed the solder lines that meet the zinc >a little will go inside the U channel whether we notice or not. When you go >to solder that joint where the bead meets the zinc the solder will follow >where the flux went attaching not only the solder line from the pattern to >the zinc but also the copper foiled edge inside the U of the channel to the >zinc. I have now attached outside and inside the U channel. It may not be >important but I found accidentally how well it reinforced all my joints when >I tried to take one apart.... May not be what others suggest ,but I feel >better knowing it's there.........Just a thought.. >Jackie Makes sense to me. Thanks Jackie! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 16:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:37:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Questions on Tools Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:31:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199903152327.SAA26957@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/15/99 8:08 AM Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org >Could any of you offer experience on what grinders are best for a serious >hobbyist/wannabe artist? Bud, I've had a Glastar Allstar for about 9 years now and it's going just fine. I love it. The Glastar people are quite helpful over the phone and have sent me free parts twice. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 18:17:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:22:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Archives index Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:28:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199903160021.TAA12193@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > P.S. Not sure > what you are talking about Albert. I could not get info from > Archives last time I tried. Hi, Lenore. You use your web browser to go to http://igga.org/ which is the Guild's web site. Once the main page appears, you'll see the glass@bungi.com logo on the upper right-hand part of the screen. Click on it and follow the directions for the bungi archives, which have been (are being) separated into individual messages so the search engine can find "lamp," if that's what you're interested in, or "fusing," or "fused" or whatever you're interested in finding. A results page is generated on the fly of those messages that deal with the key word you entered. Hope it helps. Hope I find some time to make more progress on it. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 18:38:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:02:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, HiimLaura@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.83519.0> References: <<1999Mar15.2326.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > > On this same topic: > > I used to work as a manager for a bakery store. One weekend I was told to rent > a costume of Sesame Street's Cookie Monster and find someone to wear it at our > store as a promotion. When I went to the costume store store to pick up the > rented costume, I told the clerk that I was there to pick up the Cookie > Monster costume. She said, Oh, you mean the "Blue Monster" costume, and seeing > that it was the Cookie Monster, I said yes - (believe me, this was Cookie > Monster, to a T). I also looked around at all of the other costumes they had > displayed around the store - including Winnie the Pooh, and I commented on how > cute he was - and the clerk again corrected me by saying, "Yes, the "Honey Pot > Bear" is cute, isn't he?" (with emphasis on "Honey Pot Bear") and we sorta got > a laughed about it. I have no idea about these things, but just thought I'd > share this, since it is along the same lines. This costume store had every > character imaginable - Disney and otherwise, all with different names, but > they were exact copies of the original characters - Elmo was "Red Monster", > etc. Go figure. > > Laura P > this has to do with copyright stuff....they can get them for it if they are called by copyright names but not if they have something close...a few yeasr back my daughter went to a birthday party where they had a "purple dinosaur" the mother of the bday girl explained that the store couldnt call it "Barney" or they would be in deep doo doo...but they were just the right side of the law if they stayed clear of any copyrighted names..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 18:59:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:32:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re: Watch out !!!! Info on HAPPY99.EXE TROJAN/WORM Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:21:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.92133.0> Precedence: bulk NON Glass I guess that perhaps the little emphasis on Subject was maybe a bit much, only how many times do each of us hit the delete key/icon without really reading all the message? One thing I have learned, is to repeat the common knowledge over and over. What I learned once, I tend to forget, or if I remember it, I forget that someone else might not know what I know or think I know. These little programs, Trojans, Worms, Viruses, can be real computer killers. I just rebuilt a friend from the church, their computers hard drive from the FDISK up, about a month ago. From a virus that wiped the FAT (file allocation tables) of the hard drive, luckily they were new to computers, and had only gotten started so did not have any major important information to lose. And they got it in a email from a family member in Holland. Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 19:17:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:44:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: maine.rr.com!flynwill From: Amanda Williams To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.154454.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 19:36:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:44:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: maine.rr.com!flynwill From: Amanda Williams To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:45:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.154512.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 19:51:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:03:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: ellenid@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Learning.......... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:04:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar15.10445.0> Precedence: bulk Ahhhhhhhhh, I can emphathise......I started stained glass last fall with an instructor that I'm sure was related to Attila the Hun, but I did learn a lot. Now, if I could only remember ALL I learned at that class, I would be several steps ahead. 1. If you have enough glass and patience, all can be recut. 2. Right angles do not compute in glass. A curve does not always meet with another, nor is a straight line a straight line unless you have the experience to cut one. 3. Some sign should drop down over your face every time you try to do something that says, "STOP.....think about this". Seriously, my record so far is. 1st panel. Lopsided top.... because my instructor cut the jig for the zinc, and then told me I should be more careful the next time............HUH? 2nd panel....One piece of clear waterglass didn't fit and I recut it... Well, there's a direction to waterglass that wasn't apparent in the jig, and I didn't mark it, and I couldn't see it on the white pattern, and well, guess what! Showed up in natural light, tho. 3rd panel....A straight line, joined together at a diamond shape should still be a straight line where it meets the diamond on the other side. I guess I was too concerned that it should just "fit". 4th panel....One should carefully look at the parts and NOT the whole to decide where to start. In other words, you don't start at the bottom and work up, nor do you start at the top and work down. Luckily, this panel didn't make it to the soldering stage, and has been saved from further death/destruction/peril/anger/etc. Don't give up, please.......I haven't finished one panel yet that is square, joined straight, glass selected correctly, but I love what I'm doing. One of these days, I'm going to say........You know, that one turned out OK. Then, I'm going to say... You know, that one turned out GREAT! If only I had a brain, said the scarecrow...... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 19:52:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:39:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Classydad@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Experience with selling Beveled doors? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:25:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar16.2254.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Kieth, If you really want to get into the builder and contracters market I suggest that you look into joining the local Builders Association, this is not always cheap to do and requires going to some meetings to get to know some of the builders etc.When you are dealing with custom beveled doors and sidelights and custom designed stained glass windows your market quite frankly is going to be for the most part upper scale. I hate to phrase it this way but these are the people who are willing to pay for the custom look and they can afford it. Most people are quite satisfied with the look that they can get at the local Home Depot, this is not the market that you are trying to reach. These are the same people that are shocked at what it is going to cost when Johnny puts a golf ball thru there Home Depot door and it requires a customized bevel to repair it,not ot mention all of the work involved in this repair. Just my .05 cents worth. Beveler4 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 20:10:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:18:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thanks Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:19:39 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk thanks so much to all you wonderful people who responded to my dilemma. Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 20:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:06:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Poll Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:10:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.161025.0> Precedence: bulk Lesse... Favorites would be coming up with that 'just right' pattern for a particular job and cutting... I also get a kick out of the big smile on customers faces when I install thier window.... Least favorite would be cementing and the mess it makes to clean up.... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 4:15 AM Subject: Poll >Hi all, > Just out of pure early morning curiousity, what is your most favorite and >least favorite part of working on glass? My most favorite is cutting - >I've started considering buying a band saw but I sorta feel like I'd be >cheating. Isn't that silly? My least favorite task is grinding. Sounds >too much like going to the dentists I suppose... > >Melissa > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 21:03:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:13:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: maine.rr.com!flynwill From: Amanda Williams To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribing is impossible: you have entered the dark side Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:13:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar15.181320.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks stephanie, but i've sent them both places and the list owner says she cannot unsubsribe me. The list is interesting but is clogging my mail so much i can't find my regular mail without sifting through so many messages, I am going crazy!!! Let this be an example: do not subscribe to lists unless you have a seperate e-mail. I've certainly learned my lesson, can I be dismissed now? Stephanie wrote: > Hi Amanda. Just trying to help out, thought I'd let you know that your > unsubscribe message should be sent to glass-request@bungi.com - you're sending > them to the wrong address. Also, the list owner has been out of town for a > few > days, so she's probably behind on e-mail, she'd probably see a request to the > correct address faster than to the list address, I'd bet. > > Good luck! > > Steph > > >---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 21:57:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:57:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: PDRUSS@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:51:59 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar16.45159.0> Precedence: bulk Yes indeed, Mickey has big nasty fangs. Here in metro L.A., where Disney employes thousands, people tend to want to forget just how nasty they are, but make no mistake, they are reeeal bastards about most things, not just what they feel (everything) to be an infringement on a right they feel they have. However, there is some justice in this world. Several years ago, I was on the school board of a private high school in Burbank, just opposite Disney's ccorporate offices. Mickey wanted to run a road in a position which the tough bunch of nuns who run the school , thought would be detrimental to the kids. Disney went to the city council, the nuns showed up en masse to object, and you guessed it, mouse droppings all over the floor, and the good sisters won the day. Unless you have a "higher power " on your side, however, I'd not mess with them!! Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 15 22:10:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:12:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Questions on Tools Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:07:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar16.579.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, the price for the Taurus ring saw is about $50.00 TOO high, based on prices I've seen at my local glass supplier, and I'm not sure, but I think I saw it on sale once for as low as $350. Paid $395.oo for mine, several months ago. If you can't find a better pprice than that, I'll give you the name of my local (not really local, but nearest) guy , who I'm sure will be most happy to sell you one for $395.00. Also, depending on your needs, you don't have to pay that much for a grinder, again, it might be worth it for you to drive an hour or so (non-traffic times) to save a few bucks!! Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 06:49:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:51:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.med.ufl.edu!CMcCall From: "Candice McCall" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: I hate to go... Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:51:30 EST Message-ID: <199903161350.IAA76362@smtp.ufl.edu> Organization: College of Medicine Precedence: bulk Dear fellow Glass lovers... My stepfather is dying of malignant melanoma and i am spending more and more time traveling to south Florida to help my mother. I need to unsubscribe for now. I hope to be back amongst you soon.... Candice ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 07:49:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:09:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netrax.net!rejones From: Bob Jones To: Elizabeth Arakelian Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:02:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.5214.0> References: <<1999Mar15.83519.0>> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth Arakelian wrote: > this has to do with copyright stuff....they can get them for it if they > are called by copyright names but not if they have something close...a > few yeasr back my daughter went to a birthday party where they had a > "purple dinosaur" the mother of the bday girl explained that the store > couldnt call it "Barney" or they would be in deep doo doo...but they > were just the right side of the law if they stayed clear of any > copyrighted names..... The Lyons group who owns rights to Barney, has apparently closed that loop hole by trademarking and copyrighting the term purple dinosaur. Some one here inthe Mid Atlantic was dressing up in a purple dinosaur suit and calling themselves the "Big Purple Dinosaur". It did look like Barney. They were on TV and a kid called him Barney. He got sued and lost. Can't wear the suit anymore. I was hopin' to get a shot at him. Man I hate Barney. My 4 year old has finally outgrown him. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 09:27:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:34:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Inland Quickie Cleaner/Polisher Date: Tue Mar 16 08:32:13 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.61013.0> Precedence: bulk i have not heard this, but i still have one available if anyone is interested. thanx debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source Taurus II Ring Saw $399.00 plus shipping 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: Inland Quickie Cleaner/Polisher > >Inland is dropping production of the cleaner/polisher >and it is no longer available according to my supplier. Anyone else >heard the same? > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 10:09:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:35:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh Date: Tue Mar 16 08:34:42 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.61242.0> Precedence: bulk yeah, i make a red character called "EEMO" he has a famous twin that works for sesame street and i make "PINNEY THE WOOH"--cute little honey pot bear carrying a balloon the winnie the pooh i use is out of one of the glassmith design books (not glassdesign, glassmith) it is in the back of the book with several other childrens theme characters debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source Taurus II Ring Saw $399.00 plus shipping 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Selling Winnie the Pooh > >On this same topic: > >I used to work as a manager for a bakery store. One weekend I was told to rent >a costume of Sesame Street's Cookie Monster and find someone to wear it at our >store as a promotion. When I went to the costume store store to pick up the >rented costume, I told the clerk that I was there to pick up the Cookie >Monster costume. She said, Oh, you mean the "Blue Monster" costume, and seeing >that it was the Cookie Monster, I said yes - (believe me, this was Cookie >Monster, to a T). I also looked around at all of the other costumes they had >displayed around the store - including Winnie the Pooh, and I commented on how >cute he was - and the clerk again corrected me by saying, "Yes, the "Honey Pot >Bear" is cute, isn't he?" (with emphasis on "Honey Pot Bear") and we sorta got >a laughed about it. I have no idea about these things, but just thought I'd >share this, since it is along the same lines. This costume store had every >character imaginable - Disney and otherwise, all with different names, but >they were exact copies of the original characters - Elmo was "Red Monster", >etc. Go figure. > >Laura P >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 10:20:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:21:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!slsheldon From: "Sharon Sheldon" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cutting lead came Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.72614.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, I'm new around here, and also new to the craft (and I mean, really new!). I've been a lurker since I don't have anything to contribute at this point. I can relate to keeping secrets, though - I also do genealogy and see that all the time -- letting some poor unsuspecting neophyte reinvent the wheel. Anyhow, I'm still in the "purchasing of tools and supplies" mode and have a question about lead came tools. I just ordered some lead came. I was told zinc, etc. is harder to work with and since I'm doing small 12" diameter pieces (which are round) it was recommended that lead would be my best bet for the border. The rest of the pieces will be copperfoiled. I don't have a mitre box, etc. yet,and have seen several options: 1.) The local supplier has a small, metal-looking mitre box with x-acto saw. This box does not appear to have any way of tacking down the came if you need to just saw off a small piece (when those measurements are off just a little), therefore I feel I will need 3 hands to cut the came if I chose this one. I have not seen this one anywhere else but only have the large W-C catalog at this point. Saw & box will run about $20. 2.) Delphi's sale catalog has something called the "clean cut" mitre box which appears to hold the came between two blocks of wood. Now they don't advertise this for lead, only for zinc or brass. Does that mean it would crush the lead or would I just have to be careful (see, told you I didn't know much!)? The mitre box and saw would be the same as #1, about $20. 3.) Delphi also has a "Sure-cut lead cutter" (at $40.95 - ouch!) but the illustration in the catalog looks as though it secures the lead and allows you to cut it with hand cutters as opposed to sawing it. It can also mitre at angles. Can anyone give me their 2 cents' worth? I don't want to keep buying the same tools over and over again. I made that mistake with cutters - having read that the stylus-style was preferred by females. After one week of cutting with that thing I purchased a pistol-grip and love it to death! Thanks, guys. Sharon in No. VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 12:26:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:57:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Cutting Lead Came Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:54:47 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199903161856.MAA20578@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Sharon-- There are pros out there better qualified to answer this, but I'll stick my neck out to say you don't need a saw to cut came. It's really soft and cuts like butter with a simple knife or nipper. I don't understand why you need a mitre box if you're framing round things. Square or rectangular things are probably better framed in zinc and for that you may want a saw. I've been doing glass (as a hobby) for almost 10 years without a saw or mitre box, but probably because I can get the zinc cut at the place where I buy it. If this is not an option for you, I'm sure others will advise on the relative merits of the various saws and mitre boxes available. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 12:52:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:58:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Archives index Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.85347.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" > A results page is generated on the fly of those messages that deal = with the key word you entered. Hope it helps. Hope I find some time = to make more progress on it. < And, once again Albert, you're time is very appreciated.... I know you have plenty on your plate and that all you do for bungi = is donated time and effort. We forget that and take you for granted. Everyone likes to hear it now and again.... Thank you. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 12:58:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:58:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Amanda Williams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: unsubscribing is impossible: you have entered the dark side Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:53:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.85354.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Amanda Williams >the list owner says she cannot unsubsribe me. The list is interesting but is clogging my mail so<= I don't understand this statement. Glenna subscribes and unsubscribes folks all the time.... is she still in Hawaii or is she back yet? Maybe there's nobody administering the list at the moment. = Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 13:01:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:01:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Sharon Sheldon" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cutting lead came Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:00:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.9021.0> Precedence: bulk You don't need a saw or a miter box to cut lead... just use your lead nippers.... lead is very soft. Also, if you're doing mostly rounds, = why do you need miters at all? Perhaps I've missed something here..... Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 13:19:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:10:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: MD6868@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Questions on Tools Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.85832.0> References: <<1999Mar16.579.0>> Precedence: bulk Ck. this out http://www.warner-criv.com/ The Taurus saw is on sale for 350.00 I love mine. Goldpaws MD6868@aol.com wrote: > > Bud, the price for the Taurus ring saw is about $50.00 TOO high, based on > prices I've seen at my local glass supplier, and I'm not sure, but I think I > saw it on sale once for as low as $350. Paid $395.oo for mine, several months > ago. If you can't find a better pprice than that, I'll give you the name of my > local (not really local, but nearest) guy , who I'm sure will be most happy to > sell you one for $395.00. Also, depending on your needs, you don't have to > pay that much for a grinder, again, it might be worth it for you to drive an > hour or so (non-traffic times) to save a few bucks!! > > Richard > Glassics Artglass > Valencia, Ca. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 13:22:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:29:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Sharon Sheldon" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:22:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.32257.0> Precedence: bulk >>Anyhow, I'm still in the "purchasing of tools and supplies" mode and have a question about lead came tools. I just ordered some lead came. I was told zinc, etc. is harder to work with and since I'm doing small 12" diameter pieces (which are round) it was recommended that lead would be my best bet for the border. << Lead dikes can be used to cut any lead border. A mitter box is handy when cutting zinc and brass but quite unnecessary when cutting lead. Buy a pair of student grade lead dikes for about $8.00 and do not cut ANYTHING but lead with them. Ask the seller to give you a demo. An ordinary hacksaw with a fine blade (32 teeth to the inch) does a good job and can also be used with zinc and brass. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 13:47:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:58:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Goof Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:53:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.85341.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tim & Adriana Atwood" > The best woodworker is not the one who does not make mistakes. Everyone make mistakes. The best woodworker is the one who knows how to repair their mistakes well enough so no one can tell they were ever made. < Or here's our version: A little putty A little paint Makes a carpenter What he ain't. ;-D Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 14:14:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:59:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: 2 ,2 many.... Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:53:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.85338.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tim & Adriana Atwood" >Luckily I have never seen anyone on Bungi sending this sort of crap. (And believe me I will complain if I ever do). < It's thanks to Dinosaur Bob and a few other computer whizzes on bungi that this rarely happens anymore.... they kindly and patiently explained the ramifications of sending large files which can be disastrous because I had two former, older computers crash twice! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 14:18:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:17:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Applying type quadrants to artistic style Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:11:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar16.20116.0> Precedence: bulk I've been taking some art classes lately, and reading alot about painting. Latest book is titled "Seeing with a Painter's Eyes". There's a lot of information that would be useful in stained glass design - covering topics like composition the effects of color. In the book, he has a nice diagram of a artistic style quadrant. Sorry, no test. I would suspect artistic style might mirror personality type. Would a thinking rational type prefer realistic art? Would an extrovert believe the purpose of art is to communicate with others? Would a stained glass artist be more focus on form than content? (My guess is yes, given the nature of the media, and the messages I've seen) Artistic Style Quadrants The x axis (east/west) is referential/non-referential referential uses real world imaging, non-referential prefers personal imagey. The y axis (north/south) is outward/inward outward believes art is communication to others, inward believes art is a personal statement of an individual creativity, and provides therapy The xy,-x-y axis (NE/SW) is illustrative/symbolic illustrative believes the outward appearance is primary, symbolic believes the essence of any experience is more important that how it looks. the -x, y, x -y axis (NW/SE) is form/content form means the painting is more important than the reference content mean the message/communication is more important than the form Andrew Wyeth and Norman Rockwell are on strong referentials with strong illustrative and content characteristics. Rockwell is more outward than Wyeth. Picasso is outward, form oriented and non referential. While Jose Clemente Orozco is inward, more symbolic and content oriented. Anyway, I found this all very interesting. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 14:33:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:57:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Learning.......... Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.105716.0> References: <<1999Mar15.10445.0>> Precedence: bulk Barbara, sounds like you have plenty of scrap by now. Treat yourself to a suncatcher without square corners. Then go back and practice some more. Dorothy barbara elmore wrote: > Don't give up, please.......I haven't finished one > panel yet that is square, joined straight, glass selected correctly, > but I love what I'm doing. > > One of these days, I'm going to say........You know, that one turned > out OK. Then, I'm going to say... > You know, that one turned out GREAT! > > If only I had a brain, said the scarecrow...... > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 14:39:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:08:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Archives index Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:14:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199903162106.QAA26018@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Thank you. You're welcome. Glad to help out. Long as I'm able. A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 14:52:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:42:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!slsheldon From: "Sharon Sheldon" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: LEAD CAME QUESTION: RESULTS Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:46:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.114630.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Wow! You all were quick with a response and it's unanimous: I should just use my lead nippers to cut the lead and not worry about the other tools until I'm into zinc or brass. For those of you who thought I was impaired in addition to being inexperienced, rest assured I realize I don't need to mitre to frame a circle ;-) I'll try to be more careful in my wording the next time. Again, I really, really appreciate everyone taking the time to share with me the benefit of all these years of experience that you all have. Has anyone ever figured out how many years of glass working the bungi crews represent? Too bad you all don't live in Northern VA - I'd be forced to buy a round of drinks with the money I saved today by asking first before buying my tools... ^_^ Thanks again, Sharon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 15:08:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:36:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: maine.rr.com!flynwill From: Amanda Williams To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: the dark side Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:37:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.113712.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all your useful comments, I did apply a filter as many people suggested and it is working fairly well, some things do get by the filter if they are replies not addressed to bungi. This has definetely let me come up for air. The group seems interesting, but i am more interested in flameworked or blown glass, so you can see that all the talk about foiling escapes me. So I hope that Glenna can fix the problem she has been looking at it but says that she does not even show that i am subscribed. So I keep hanging onto the edge of space hoping that someone will give me a hand up. Thanks Again Amanda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 15:53:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Sharon Sheldon Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:02:57 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.22257.0> References: <<1999Mar16.72614.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Sharon, My 2 pence worth is that you should not buy an expensive lead came cutter. These are *maybe* OK for zinc. There is a simple tool for cutting lead at most angles - it is a short sharp blade. I use a modified stiff and narrow (about 1 and a half inches) wallpaper scraper made of tempered metal, so it holds a sharp edge. The use of this is to place it on top of the lead calme and with gentle downward pressure wiggle the blade side to side or front to back, so it will slide gently through the lead. Too much pressure and you deform the heart of the calme. too little pressure and you will get tired of wiggling! You also must be directly over the blade so you look down it to the cut. This assists in getting a perpendicular cut. In the USA it seems most people like to use lead dykes, which I call side cutters. In fact, you can make your own dykes by getting a pair of side cutters and grinding off the bevel on the back of them. This is much less expensive than putting out for the custom made ones. On these you put the jaws of the dykes parallel to the heart and squeeze. It is quick, but less flexible in the range of angles you can cut accurately. Of course you could cut out the heart and then angle the top and bottom leaves to meet the neighbouring calme. But, as much of the strength, or at least mass, of the came is in the heart, this weakens the joint considerably. So, my view is save your money for glass. Find widely available tools and adapt them for glass making. Steve In message <1999Mar16.72614.0@?>, Sharon Sheldon writes >Hi Guys, > >I'm new around here, and also new to the craft (and I mean, really new!). >I've been a lurker since I don't have anything to contribute at this point. >I can relate to keeping secrets, though - I also do genealogy and see that >all the time -- letting some poor unsuspecting neophyte reinvent the wheel. > >Anyhow, I'm still in the "purchasing of tools and supplies" mode and have a >question about lead came tools. I just ordered some lead came. I was told >zinc, etc. is harder to work with and since I'm doing small 12" diameter >pieces (which are round) it was recommended that lead would be my best bet >for the border. The rest of the pieces will be copperfoiled. I don't have a >mitre box, etc. yet,and have seen several options: > >1.) The local supplier has a small, metal-looking mitre box with x-acto saw. >This box does not appear to have any way of tacking down the came if you >need to just saw off a small piece (when those measurements are off just a >little), therefore I feel I will need 3 hands to cut the came if I chose >this one. I have not seen this one anywhere else but only have the large >W-C catalog at this point. Saw & box will run about $20. > >2.) Delphi's sale catalog has something called the "clean cut" mitre box >which appears to hold the came between two blocks of wood. Now they don't >advertise this for lead, only for zinc or brass. Does that mean it would >crush the lead or would I just have to be careful (see, told you I didn't >know much!)? The mitre box and saw would be the same as #1, about $20. > >3.) Delphi also has a "Sure-cut lead cutter" (at $40.95 - ouch!) but the >illustration in the catalog looks as though it secures the lead and allows >you to cut it with hand cutters as opposed to sawing it. It can also mitre >at angles. > >Can anyone give me their 2 cents' worth? I don't want to keep buying the >same tools over and over again. I made that mistake with cutters - having >read that the stylus-style was preferred by females. After one week of >cutting with that thing I purchased a pistol-grip and love it to death! > >Thanks, guys. > >Sharon in No. VA > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 16:10:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:33:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199903162246.WAA17237@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All It's questions like these I'm saving up for the workshops in USA when I come over - great Thanks to Warner-Crivellaro who are paying my flight . No, Sharon, you don't need a saw and you don't need a mitre box. Zinc is another thing I hardly ever use for borders (it's a pig to solder, for starters). On the size projects you mention, you are perfectly OK using lead. Snippers are fine to trim, adjust and mitre the lead. To cut it - you-ll be better off with a plain ordinary short plaster chisel, the edge of which you have ground down to razor sharpness. The short plaster chisel I suspect you can buy at what you call "Walmart" for about a couple of dollars or so. How to use etc I will show you at the workshops. It's dead easy... For details of when and where, ask Carol Swann who is chief Co-Ordinator of the E-Tour. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Sharon wrote: < < snip>,and have seen several options: > > 1.) The local supplier has a small, metal-looking mitre box with x-acto saw. > This box does not appear to have any way of tacking down the came if you > need to just saw off a small piece (when those measurements are off just a > little), therefore I feel I will need 3 hands to cut the came if I chose > this one. I have not seen this one anywhere else but only have the large > W-C catalog at this point. Saw & box will run about $20. > > 2.) Delphi's sale catalog has something called the "clean cut" mitre box > which appears to hold the came between two blocks of wood. Now they don't > advertise this for lead, only for zinc or brass. Does that mean it would > crush the lead or would I just have to be careful (see, told you I didn't > know much!)? The mitre box and saw would be the same as #1, about $20. > > 3.) Delphi also has a "Sure-cut lead cutter" (at $40.95 - ouch!) but the > illustration in the catalog looks as though it secures the lead and allows > you to cut it with hand cutters as opposed to sawing it. It can also mitre > at angles. > > Can anyone give me their 2 cents' worth? I don't want to keep buying the > same tools over and over again. I made that mistake with cutters - having > read that the stylus-style was preferred by females. After one week of > cutting with that thing I purchased a pistol-grip and love it to death! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 16:12:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:33:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199903162246.WAA17231@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Methinks, dear old Arnold is Austrian Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > In a message dated 3/13/99 1:20:37 PM, pkelly@n-link.com wrote: > > >Isn't Arnold Swedish Sparks replied: > Actually, he's German (or maybe Austrian, I forget). > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 16:40:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG; Patrick O'Tutu Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:33:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199903162246.WAA17225@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, Let's join and wish our Patrick O'Tutu a Happy St.Patrick's Day on 17th March!! I am holding a 2 full day workshops over the weekend, so there will be very quiet from my corner Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 16:47:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:46:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Applying type quadrants to artistic style Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:44:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990316144441.00967bf0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar16.20116.0>> Precedence: bulk At 03:11 PM 3/16/99 EST, you wrote: > >I've been taking some art classes lately, and reading alot about painting. >Latest book is titled "Seeing with a Painter's Eyes". There's a lot of >information that would be useful in stained glass design - covering topics >like composition the effects of color. Can you give any more information like author or ISBN number. I didn't get any hits using that title with amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com. Thanks. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 16:59:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:50:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Goof Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990316144810.0097dc10@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar16.85341.0>> Precedence: bulk At 01:53 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Dani Greer wrote: >Message text written by "Tim & Adriana Atwood" >> >The best woodworker is not the one who does not make mistakes. Everyone >make mistakes. The best woodworker is the one who knows how to repair >their >mistakes well enough so no one can tell they were ever made. >< > >Or here's our version: > >A little putty >A little paint >Makes a carpenter >What he ain't. > >;-D > Similar to what we heard from our contractor: "The painter will fix it." If only patina had the same marvelous powers that are attributed to paint! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 17:10:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:40:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: NG: Studies Date: Tue Mar 16 14:39:22 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.121722.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6FFC.05C4F26C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my personal pet peeve in this department is breastfeeding studies... Elisabeth I totally agree with you. When I first heard about the studies it took days to stop laughing. IMHO breastfeeding is indicative of a type of parent. A mother who makes the effort to breastfeed will take the time to help her child learn and develop. This is not to imply that a mother who doesn't won't. There are women at work who don't breast feed because you can not pump in a cubical. It is unfortunate the media is more interested in sensationalism than truth. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6FFC.05C4F26C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NG: Studies

my personal pet peeve in this department is = breastfeeding studies...

Elisabeth

I totally agree with you.
When I first heard about the studies it took days to = stop laughing.
IMHO breastfeeding is indicative of a type of = parent. A mother who makes the effort to breastfeed will take the time = to help her child learn and develop. This is not to imply that a mother = who doesn't won't.

There are women at work who don't breast feed because = you can not pump in a cubical.

It is unfortunate the media is more interested in = sensationalism than truth.

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE6FFC.05C4F26C-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 17:16:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:41:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: infinity bevels Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:34:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.123458.0> Precedence: bulk Good afternoon, I was wondering if anyone knows who carries Infinity Bevels anymore? Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 17:29:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:23:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: LEAD CAME QUESTION: RESULTS Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:22:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990316152227.00964e70@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar16.114630.0>> Precedence: bulk At 04:46 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Sharon Sheldon wrote: > >Too bad you all don't live in Northern VA - I'd be forced to buy a round of >drinks with the money I saved today by asking first before buying my >tools... ^_^ > Very dangerous...there are now about 400 stained glass people headed for Northern VA ;-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 17:53:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:29:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscription Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:28:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.132834.0> Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Please add us back to the group. Thanks Walter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 18:18:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: 2 ,2 many.... Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:06:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.14621.0> References: <<1999Mar14.84040.0>> Precedence: bulk > I am recieving messages this weekend doubled.....the same message twice??? > what could cause this.....thanks ,Abbie I have been getting dupes of most messages for about 6 weeks now. Thought it was just me. Tried unsubscribing and then resubscribing but it did not help. Something amiss with the list server, perhaps? Elizabeth Johnson dmj@cyberportal.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 18:40:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:12:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:slsheldon@earthlink.net" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Cutting lead came Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:10:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.141046.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:slsheldon@earthlink.net > I do my side lights at the front door and will then have the need for a mitre box ;-< Really, don't waste your time mitering.... just butt the lead square - no one will be able to tell once the joint is soldered well. The only time mitering becomes something of an issue is when you are using the lead as your framing material and you don't want holes showing at the corners. If you're installing, that isn't an issue because your stops will cover the perimeter lead. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 18:45:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:38:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Rude Customers Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:20:54 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.02054.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, I know you'll appreciate this one LOL!! A customer calls and asks if the shop would honor a gift certificate that her hubby bought for her for X-Mas. Why of course ,the only problem with it was it was 5 years old. I don't think so LOL!!! This happened to a freind of mine just last month. Beveler4 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 18:49:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:44:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: cutting lead came Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:36:59 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.03659.0> Precedence: bulk I have to agree with Steve on this one what ever happened to just using a plain old lead knife. It is much faster and I find it much more accurate especially for the angled cuts.And I find that I waste less lead, the trick like Steve said is to keep it sharp!! Beveler4 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 19:10:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:11:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG; Patrick O'Tutu Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:10:50 -0500 Message-ID: <199903170107.UAA05946@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/16/99 5:33 PM Toby toby@northlights.co.uk >Let's join and wish our Patrick O'Tutu a Happy St.Patrick's Day on >17th March!! To all our Irish friends, but most especially to our own Patrick O'Tutu, a Happy St. Patty's Day, erin go bragh, kiss the blarney stone, and luck of the Irish. Ever heard of Irish Bull? Suzanne Lahaska Litho Imaging Ltd. 33 Union Street, Suite 4 Doylestown, PA 18901 215-340-1202 (VOICE) 215-340-2313 (FAX) Hours - 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM e-mail : litho@ll-imaging.com please go to ll-imaging.com for todays updates Jim :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 19:14:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:22:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:JJKIRBY@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Applying type quadrants to artistic style Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:20:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.152037.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, so what if one is an oil painter turned glass artist?? And whose interest has turned from figurative work to the historic = concept of ornament and decoration? Gosh, maybe I had better take that MBTI over again.... Just for the record, some basic art theory and design fundamentals will always benefit an artist.... no matter what the medium they're using= and that includes glass. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 20:25:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:22:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: E-Tour Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:11:40 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.21140.0> Precedence: bulk More details are coming soon, but I wanted to give bungi members a heads up that Elisabeth will be joining us for two separate workshops (max. 15 students each) in August (the 14th and 15th and August 21st & 22nd). The course fee is $100 and your materials are additional (how much depends on what you end up getting.. everything is here!). Description is as follows: BRITISH LEAD CAME WORK Enjoy a 2 day intensive weekend with noted English glass artist Elisabeth Roberg. Bringing her delightful style, Elisabeth will lead students through construction of a small lead came panel using techniques common in England. Elisabeth will also introduce the class to a variety of tools they can make themselves. This class is suitable for glass hobbyists or professionals who have some experience in cutting glass and using a soldering iron. If you wish to sign up for the class, just e-mail me back and I'll have someone get in touch with you regarding payment, or call the store at 1-800-966-6667! We are in Silver Spring, MD, about 2 miles outside of Washington, DC. If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to e-mail! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass www.meredithstainedglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 21:52:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:16:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:12:03 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.4123.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, I know you'll appreciate this one LOL!! A customer calls and asks if the shop would honor a gift certificate that her hubby bought for her for X-Mas. Why of course ,the only problem with it was it was 5 years old. I don't think so LOL!!! This happened to a freind of mine just last month. Beveler4>>>> Why does this make the customer rude? Was there an expiration date on it and she wanted it anyway? If there is no date, I would think it was good as long as the company was in business. The husband spent his hard earned money on the gift certificate, just as he would have on the actual glass gift. In the rush of Christmas I have "lost" gifts myself. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 22:07:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:25:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: cutting lead came Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:20:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.12203.0> Precedence: bulk Store bought or home made a lead knife works best with a bit of lubrication. A gentle rub on a cake of Ivory Snow bar soap or beeswax does the trick. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 22:22:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:32:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG; Patrick O'Tutu Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:36:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.163630.0> References: <<199903170107.UAA05946@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk If you cant reach the Blarney Stone, isnt it supposed to be good luck to kiss an Irishman? Or have they just tricked me all these years? ;o) Catch Patrick!!! Smack! ; x Happy St Pat's Day T Suz > >Let's join and wish our Patrick O'Tutu a Happy St.Patrick's Day on > >17th March!! > > To all our Irish friends, but most especially to our own Patrick O'Tutu, > a Happy St. Patty's Day, erin go bragh, kiss the blarney stone, and luck > of the Irish. Ever heard of Irish Bull? > Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 22:44:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:42:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG...drunken divine glass blowers? Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:47:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.164718.0> Precedence: bulk In listening to a CD I have listened to a million times, I heard for the first time today... "...in the warm wetness of my own tears, burn down my walls, fast and furious like a drunken, divine glass blower...." This why you guys are so into hot glass? ;o) T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 22:46:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:38:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:37:37 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.53737.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/16/99 6:54:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, Beveler4@aol.com writes: << Bob, I know you'll appreciate this one LOL!! A customer calls and asks if the shop would honor a gift certificate that her hubby bought for her for X-Mas. Why of course ,the only problem with it was it was 5 years old. >> Why wouldn't a retailer honor a gift certificate? It's a cash equivalent. The retailer who sold it has been getting interest off the money he was paid for it. Sounds like a good business, sell gift certificates, then refuse to honor them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 16 23:01:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Free Pattern Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:44:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.134418.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, http://www.unitytustin.org/download/angelbridge.zip File size is 23,346 bytes. Since everyone was so helpful to me in figuring out this pattern for my mothers birthday present. I have decided to offer it to anyone who wishes to have a copy of it. I guess this pattern is called public domain now. I put it in a circle format. My patterns that I printed out are 16.2 inches across. I downsized the graphic to get it to a size that would be downloadable quickly. I will leave it on the church webserver for about a week or so, so that whoever wants a copy can snag it. You will not find a link on the site pages for it, so this is your only quick link to the file. Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 00:02:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:39:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:24:18 +0000 Message-ID: <199903170637.GAA22551@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk That's IT, Steve!!! That's exactly the tool I'm talking about!! Except my students appear to call it different! The blade should be max. 2 inches long. You also describe the method of use well!. Affordable "Side cutters" here in UK only come with a bevelled back. Yeeears ago UNbevelled ones were imported, but no longer. The hunt for UNbevelled side cutters took me to Buck and Ryan Tool shop at Tottenham Court Road in London (king of tool shops in UK) and they were asking UK Sterling 75 for a pair. Crazy! Luckily, dear Bungi friends brought me some from USA a couple of years ago. I use them for trimming, create "floating lead" and mitrering all the time and guard them like a hawk in classes. Dani, not entirely true about not having to mitre!! What do you do when an oblique or angled lead meets a straight one!? I'd like to see that...;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Steve in Scotland wrote: > My 2 pence worth is that you should not buy an expensive lead > came cutter. These are *maybe* OK for zinc. There is a simple tool for > cutting lead at most angles - it is a short sharp blade. I use a > modified stiff and narrow (about 1 and a half inches) wallpaper scraper > made of tempered metal, so it holds a sharp edge. > The use of this is to place it on top of the lead calme and with > gentle downward pressure wiggle the blade side to side or front to back, > so it will slide gently through the lead. Too much pressure and you > deform the heart of the calme. too little pressure and you will get > tired of wiggling! > You also must be directly over the blade so you look down it to > the cut. This assists in getting a perpendicular cut. > > In the USA it seems most people like to use lead dykes, which I > call side cutters. In fact, you can make your own dykes by getting a > pair of side cutters and grinding off the bevel on the back of them. > This is much less expensive than putting out for the custom made ones. > On these you put the jaws of the dykes parallel to the heart and > squeeze. It is quick, but less flexible in the range of angles you can > cut accurately. Of course you could cut out the heart and then angle > the top and bottom leaves to meet the neighbouring calme. But, as much > of the strength, or at least mass, of the came is in the heart, this > weakens the joint considerably. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 03:37:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:01:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Glass@Bungi.com" Subject: Fw: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:01:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar16.18152.0> Precedence: bulk - I couldn't agree more... with the absence of an expiration date (and even then there's some room for argument) someone PAID for that certificate and the owner is entitled to the benefit of the bargain. The shop owner has had the use of the money paid (which is in theory depreciating for the certificate owner - while garnering interest for the shop owner) and has given NO value. If it's a valid gift certificate - if the shop is still owned by the original owner - if pigs had wings -- no that's not right - anyway why not invite the customer into the shop and make a new customer into a recurring happy customer? What do you all think? >-----Original Message----- >From: JJKIRBY@aol.com >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:49 PM >Subject: Re: Rude Customers > > >>In a message dated 3/16/99 6:54:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, >Beveler4@aol.com >>writes: >> >><< Bob, I know you'll appreciate this one LOL!! A customer calls and asks >if >>the >> shop would honor a gift certificate that her hubby bought for her for >X-Mas. >> Why of course ,the only problem with it was it was 5 years old. >> >> >>Why wouldn't a retailer honor a gift certificate? It's a cash equivalent. >>The retailer who >>sold it has been getting interest off the money he was paid for it. Sounds >>like a good >>business, sell gift certificates, then refuse to honor them. >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 07:06:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:54:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kisses to Patrick! Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:55:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.25524.0> Precedence: bulk I'm sending you double "kisses" from Virginia, Patrick! This will make you twice as sweet and twice as fast in your "TUTU"....... take care , Abbie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 07:26:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:04:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Goof Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:09:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.393.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990316144810.0097dc10@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk > The quote (from whom I don't know) that I live by is: If you can't fix it, feature it. Hilary > >The best woodworker is not the one who does not make mistakes. Everyone > >make mistakes. The best woodworker is the one who knows how to repair > >their mistakes well enough so no one can tell they were ever made. > >< > > > >Or here's our version: > > > >A little putty > >A little paint > >Makes a carpenter > >What he ain't. > > > Similar to what we heard from our contractor: "The painter will fix it." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 07:47:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:27:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG; Patrick O'Tutu Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:26:33 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.132633.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/16/99 7:43:34 PM, toby@northlights.co.uk wrote: >Let's join and wish our Patrick O'Tutu a Happy St.Patrick's Day on >17th March!! Happy Saint Paddy's, twinkletoes! Hope you've got your best green tutu and emerald tiara polished and shining, and a good supply of Guinness (or Harp Lager if you prefer) on hand to celebrate the occasion! CCW O'Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 07:54:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:28:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: 95% NG - snow is a 4-letter word that starts with S, part deux Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:26:29 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.132629.0> Precedence: bulk With apologies if I sound like I'm "doing my little superiority dance" :-) When we last saw our intrepid heroine a coupla daze ago: >Out here west of Philly we ended up with about 8" and our electricity was off >from 12:30 to 7:30 a.m. There are quite a few trees and branches down all >over the place because it's heavy wet stuff. No sooner had I sent off that message (circa 10:30 a.m.) than a tree branch fell on the power lines behind our house, caught fire, and took out the neighborhood *again*! Unfortunately, only 11 houses were affected this time, so we had to get in line behind all the "bigger problems." Didn't get our juice back until midnight last night. In the mean time I packed up all the perishables with Ziploc bags of snow in 2 big camping coolers and set those out on the back porch, dug out the kerosene heater (first time in 4 years -- and found out that kerosene keeps very well in those big blue plastic cans......) and my old Coleman 2-burner stove (first time in 10 years), fired 'em up (after testing them out in the back yard away from the house to make sure they still worked -- safety first!), lit a couple of oil lamps, and spent 2 days amazing my "Great Indoorsman" sweetie and his mom with just how comfortable involuntary off-the-grid-ness can be. And what did I do when I wasn't cooking or running off to the store for more flashlight batteries? Why, foiling, of course! Gotta go put stuff back in the fridge and otherwise finish cleaning up the campsite so I can go to work. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 08:01:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:33:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" , "Byron Wells" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: infinity bevels Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:25:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.32554.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Byron....but thats where I called first and they don't anymore. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: Byron Wells To: pj friend Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:33 PM Subject: Re: infinity bevels >Houston Stained Glass still carries them... > >Byron.. > >-----Original Message----- >From: pj friend >To: bungi group >Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 1:24 PM >Subject: infinity bevels > > >>Good afternoon, >> >>I was wondering if anyone knows who carries Infinity Bevels anymore? >> >> >> >>Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. >>www.waterw.com/~artglass >>Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America >>Member International Guild of Glass Artists >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 08:09:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:41:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Alan Terry" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:33:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.33317.0> Precedence: bulk This has happened to us numerous times even when you donate gift certificates to charities. But I keep a record of what gift certificates went out. Just good business practice. And I know who should have them. And we honor all of them. Just bad business not to. We have also gotten gift certificates from other businesses because we belong to the Business and Professional Association and the Chamber of Commerce but we don't honor those. We just suggest that the take them to their rightful owner. I don't think that scenario makes a customer rude. Unless they were trying to pull something over on the studio. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: Alan Terry To: Glass@Bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 6:58 AM Subject: Fw: Rude Customers > >- > >I couldn't agree more... with the absence of an expiration date (and even >then there's some room for argument) someone PAID for that certificate and >the owner is entitled to the benefit of the bargain. The shop owner has had >the use of the money paid (which is in theory depreciating for the >certificate owner - while garnering interest for the shop owner) and has >given NO value. > >If it's a valid gift certificate - if the shop is still owned by the >original owner - if pigs had wings -- no that's not right - anyway why not >invite the customer into the shop and make a new customer into a recurring >happy customer? > >What do you all think? > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: JJKIRBY@aol.com >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:49 PM >>Subject: Re: Rude Customers >> >> >>>In a message dated 3/16/99 6:54:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>Beveler4@aol.com >>>writes: >>> >>><< Bob, I know you'll appreciate this one LOL!! A customer calls and asks >>if >>>the >>> shop would honor a gift certificate that her hubby bought for her for >>X-Mas. >>> Why of course ,the only problem with it was it was 5 years old. >> >>> >>>Why wouldn't a retailer honor a gift certificate? It's a cash equivalent. >>>The retailer who >>>sold it has been getting interest off the money he was paid for it. >Sounds >>>like a good >>>business, sell gift certificates, then refuse to honor them. >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 08:14:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:26:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: <199903171416.JAA17872@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk > shop would honor a gift certificate that her hubby bought for her for X-Mas. > Why of course ,the only problem with it was it was 5 years old. I don't think > so LOL!!! This happened to a freind of mine just last month. Beveler4 Hey, why not? Money doesn't expire. The store got money for the gift certificate. It is only fair that they honor the gift certificate. In fact, the store would come out ahead, having the money for 5 years means that it could have earned interest all that time, or, reduced the store's need to take out a loan? I would be extremely upset if a store refused to honor a gift certificate, no matter how old. I would never visit the store again, and I would tell everyone I know about my bad experience! Of course, a store which changed ownership is a different story. -- DavidC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 08:52:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:55:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: The Goof Panel Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:56:17 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Well, the goof panel is on it's way to completion. It is foiled and one side is soldered. It certainly wouldn't win any awards (haha) but I am proud of myself. My usual habit with all my other hobby/craft projects that run into big problems is to toss it in the closet and never finish it. I am finishing this project. Everytime I look at it I will remember to never make the same mistakes again. (Or at least I hope I remember.) I grinded about half the pieces again....all the larger pieces and all the border pieces. There are two spots that have some wider solder than all the others, but it is something I can live with. Just hope I never have to live with any more like it. I am use to doing small projects that I can finish in part of a day and I look forward to getting back to some more small ones now. This was a real learning experience, but I think it will be a while before I try a panel again. In fairness to my teacher - who is terrific- none of these mistakes were from her lack of teaching. She does not believe in cutting out patterns and gluing them to the glass. So I wasn't taught that way. I decided to try it after reading some of the post. I should have done a little more research on it rather than just jumping headlong into it. I had no idea what pattern shears were until I posted my "goof" message and got some responses. That will definitely be on my order list. Thanks again to all of you who helped me. Have a great St. Patty's day. 33 years ago today I was in the delivery room having my daughter. :-) Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 09:21:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:15:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Resizing patterns Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:07:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.2753.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all. I'm new to the list, and pretty darn new to the glass hobby. = I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern on our local Kinko's = copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a book--6 3/4" x 7 = 1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a little engineering wheely = doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) that tells me I need = to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up to 200% at = one time.=20 Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use to figure what = percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run the = thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = work--you're increasing the size exponentially. Shari Higbee Salt Lake City ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all. I'm new to the list, and = pretty darn=20 new to the glass hobby. I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern = on our=20 local Kinko's copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a = book--6=20 3/4" x 7 1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a = little=20 engineering wheely doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) = that tells=20 me I need to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up = to 200%=20 at one time.
 
Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use = to figure=20 what percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run = the=20 thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = work--you're=20 increasing the size exponentially.
 
Shari Higbee
Salt Lake=20 City
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 09:52:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:02:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: YES!! and I need advice! Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:07:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.5736.0> Precedence: bulk Wednesdays are turning into my good day! Yeparoo as my son says! Stopped by quickly to show my gift shop guys something I was making with them in mind... THEY LOVED IT!!!! Youghigeheny does it again!!!! It pays to make something in your favorite glass. :o) <--that is a much bigger smile than it looks. 3 guys were gushing over it, and one of the main guys comes over, one of the other guys points it out to him...said isnt it beautiful? Owner says.."Ugly" and kind of nudges me grinning. I said.."It is gorgeous and you know it!!!" He says "Yes, it is, I love it" Cool beans! :o) They ordered 3 fan lamps...one of which isnt made....they leave the design and glass up to me.. ;o) Sent home this cool large old frame with wroght iron designs/knots braided in front, with no glass in it......and said "Take this home and play with it!" YEEEEHA! ;o) Pretty much we decided to put one big peice of glass in it...so I get to buy a big peice of beautiful glass for a change, and *not* cut it!!!!!!! Can you say cool? So, my question is, what is the best way for me to install the glass into it? Should I foil and tin or bead the edges of the glass, or just cut the glass to fit and install it as it with glasiers points? Forgive the stupidity here....but as most of you know this is new to me, but how hard can that be? The hardest part is the frame is not a perfect rectangle. Get to go look at some glass, and actually buy something bigger than a square foot, and someone else is paying for it. :o) What a you guys charge to do that? Easy money, eh? Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 10:21:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:52:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Rude Customers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:55:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199903171648.LAA10313@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Of course, a store which changed ownership is a different story. I'm not sure I understand why that would be. Any outstanding gift certificates would be carried on the books as debits (or as money owed to customers, money that's redeemable as a cash discount on a purchase in the shop) and should have transferred to the new owners as such, particularly since those customers would be more expected to show up after the new owners take over than anyone else. If I were the new owner and found out that gift certificates had been paid for by customers, but I wasn't notified of the outstanding amounts by the seller of the shop, I'd be on the phone to my lawyer immediately ... and I suspect anyone else would be, too. After all, the money deposited for a gift certificate is cash that should have been transferred to me as the new owner so I could "earn" it when the gift certificate shows up. The previous owner certainly didn't earn it. My 2c Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 11:01:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:11:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Goof Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:06:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.18638.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/17/99 7:28:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, hilary@voicenet.com writes: << If you can't fix it, feature it. >> In the software biz it's called "turning bugs into features" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 11:26:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:44:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 95% NG - snow is a 4-letter word that starts with S, part Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:40:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990317094044.00980410@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar17.132629.0>> Precedence: bulk At 08:26 AM 3/17/99 EST, Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > >With apologies if I sound like I'm "doing my little superiority dance" :-) > >When we last saw our intrepid heroine a coupla daze ago: > >>Out here west of Philly we ended up with about 8" and our electricity was off >>from 12:30 to 7:30 a.m. There are quite a few trees and branches down all >>over the place because it's heavy wet stuff. > >No sooner had I sent off that message (circa 10:30 a.m.) than a tree branch >fell on the power lines behind our house, caught fire, and took out the >neighborhood *again*! > >Unfortunately, only 11 houses were affected this time, so we had to get in >line behind all the "bigger problems." Didn't get our juice back until >midnight last night. In the mean time I packed up all the perishables with >Ziploc bags of snow in 2 big camping coolers and set those out on the back >porch, dug out the kerosene heater (first time in 4 years -- and found out >that kerosene keeps very well in those big blue plastic cans......) and my old >Coleman 2-burner stove (first time in 10 years), fired 'em up (after testing >them out in the back yard away from the house to make sure they still worked >-- safety first!), lit a couple of oil lamps, and spent 2 days amazing my >"Great Indoorsman" sweetie and his mom with just how comfortable involuntary >off-the-grid-ness can be. > >And what did I do when I wasn't cooking or running off to the store for more >flashlight batteries? Why, foiling, of course! > >Gotta go put stuff back in the fridge and otherwise finish cleaning up the >campsite so I can go to work. We now return you to your regularly scheduled >program already in progress. > >Sparks You know, I bet you could even turn lemons into lemonade. Cooks and does stained glass, too? You're a catch! :-) Glad you're back with us. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 11:57:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:31:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: technology21.com!lsg From: To: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: New email Address Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.82230.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01BE7079.359EB5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please make note. Michael from Lou's Stained Glass " LSG Creations" New email address is: lsg@technology21.com =20 Thank You for making a notation. 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------=_NextPart_000_014A_01BE7079.359EB5E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 12:27:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:34:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: JJKIRBY@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:33:21 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar17.183321.0> Precedence: bulk For many years, in my past life, my wife and I were funeral home owners. We had bought a succession of businesses from "old timers", who would be asked (before current laws on the subject) to accept deposits in advance of need, so that a person's funeral expense would be paid for. Some of the old timers wrote notes about this on restaurant napkins (if that's were they saw the customer), or whatever. Some of the guys put the money in the bank, and some of the put it into the local gin mill. It wasn't uncommon for a death to occur, and a family to come in with such a receipt (for which there was no back up) We ALWAYS honored that commitment. Yes, we took a "hit" for the money, but if you plan to be in business, and STAY in business, especially if its community based, you have to be prepared to honor 20 year old "gift certificates" (that's what we used to call these old files). for whatever its worth, Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 12:33:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:35:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Resizing patterns Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:58:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990317095808.00988c00@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar17.2753.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:07 AM 3/17/99 -0700, Shari Higbee wrote: > >Hello all. I'm new to the list, and pretty darn new to the glass hobby. = >I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern on our local Kinko's = >copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a book--6 3/4" x 7 = >1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a little engineering wheely = >doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) that tells me I need = >to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up to 200% at = >one time.=20 > >Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use to figure what = >percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run the = >thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = >work--you're increasing the size exponentially. > >Shari Higbee >Salt Lake City > You could run it through 3 times at 168%. (Cube root of 4.73 is 1.678.). Or you could do it twice at 200% to get to 400% (2 x 2 = 4) and then once more at 118% (4.73 target expansion divided by 4.0 current expansion = 1.182.) There are an infinite number of other possibilities. We won't run through them all here :-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 12:58:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:43:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel To: Hilary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Goof Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:43:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.184339.0> References: <<1999Mar17.393.0>> Precedence: bulk Hilary wrote: > >>The quote (from whom I don't know) that I live by is:>> >>If you can't fix it, feature it. >>Hilary ______________________________________________________ Actually that's a "Bill Gates".......... "That's not a BUG...that's a FEATURE" Daniel in Oregon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 13:06:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Resizing patterns Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:04:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.3428.0> Precedence: bulk Actually, I came up with 474%. 32 / 6.75 = 4.74 Anyway, 200% then 200% then 118.5% should do it. Enlarging the pattern 200% twice should bring it up to four times the size (doubled each time), or 27". 32 / 27 = 1.185, or 118.5 %. Since the copier will probably only do 118 or 119 (or maybe only 115 or 120), you will have to try both to see which turns out best. -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:27 AM Subject: Resizing patterns >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Hello all. I'm new to the list, and pretty darn new to the glass hobby. = >I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern on our local Kinko's = >copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a book--6 3/4" x 7 = >1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a little engineering wheely = >doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) that tells me I need = >to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up to 200% at = >one time.=20 > >Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use to figure what = >percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run the = >thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = >work--you're increasing the size exponentially. > >Shari Higbee >Salt Lake City > >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
Hello all. I'm new to the list, and = >pretty darn=20 >new to the glass hobby. I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern = >on our=20 >local Kinko's copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a = >book--6=20 >3/4" x 7 1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a = >little=20 >engineering wheely doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) = >that tells=20 >me I need to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up = >to 200%=20 >at one time.
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Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use = >to figure=20 >what percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run = >the=20 >thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = >work--you're=20 >increasing the size exponentially.
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> >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0-- > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 13:23:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:17:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Elleni Drafts'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: The Goof Panel Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.91838.0> Precedence: bulk I don't use pattern shears. I cut the pattern apart using regular shears, lay the pattern on the glass, draw a line around it, and then score insid the line. Works for me. Time saved and I don't have to fight pattern shears. My grandfather would have been 99 today. Every St Paddy's day he would stay home from work and sit around the house in his skivies. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Elleni Drafts [SMTP:ellenid@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:56 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: The Goof Panel Well, the goof panel is on it's way to completion. It is foiled and one side is soldered. It certainly wouldn't win any awards (haha) but I am proud of myself. My usual habit with all my other hobby/craft projects that run into big problems is to toss it in the closet and never finish it. I am finishing this project. Everytime I look at it I will remember to never make the same mistakes again. (Or at least I hope I remember.) I grinded about half the pieces again....all the larger pieces and all the border pieces. There are two spots that have some wider solder than all the others, but it is something I can live with. Just hope I never have to live with any more like it. I am use to doing small projects that I can finish in part of a day and I look forward to getting back to some more small ones now. This was a real learning experience, but I think it will be a while before I try a panel again. In fairness to my teacher - who is terrific- none of these mistakes were from her lack of teaching. She does not believe in cutting out patterns and gluing them to the glass. So I wasn't taught that way. I decided to try it after reading some of the post. I should have done a little more research on it rather than just jumping headlong into it. I had no idea what pattern shears were until I posted my "goof" message and got some responses. That will definitely be on my order list. Thanks again to all of you who helped me. Have a great St. Patty's day. 33 years ago today I was in the delivery room having my daughter. :-) Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 13:28:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:53:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Beveler4@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:24:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.92418.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Beveler4@aol.com >Why of course ,the only problem with it was it was 5 years old.< We honor gift certificates no matter how old they are... of course, I always tactfully mention that they could have gotten a bit more if they had cashed in sooner... we all know how prices have gone up the past few years. Not that we sell many certificates anyway, most of ours we've given away to silent auctions for charities. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 13:44:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:54:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Dean Johnson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: 2 ,2 many.... Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:24:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.92415.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Dean Johnson" > > I am recieving messages this weekend doubled.....the same message twice??? > what could cause this.....thanks ,Abbie < I don't think it's the list server or we'd all be getting doubles, and I haven't had any problem in close to a year... in the past, it's been my server. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 13:47:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:55:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: David Cogen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.92430.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by David Cogen >and I would tell everyone I know about my bad experience! < Here's the kicker, folks.... it ain't worth the bad publicity! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 14:01:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:31:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: more good news! Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:35:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.83539.0> References: <<1999Mar17.5736.0>> Precedence: bulk I forgot to mention.... These giftshop/decorator/floral guys put out a news letter for their best customers. They included a blurb that went something like... "We have paired up with a local stained glass artist....etc.. looking forward to any input or ideas you may have..." It goes to 150 or so people. It will be going out in the next few days!! They are serious about being interested! T Suz, hoping to have a profitable summer! :o) -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 14:08:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:05:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:04:32 -0800 Message-ID: <199903172004.MAA01301@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk So...here's an obvious solution that no one seems to have brought up that would help businesses deal with this in the future...put an expiry date on gift certificates... In some places an expiry date is required by law, and it seems like it would shortcircuit these kinds of problems in the future for everyone. Oh, and just a thought...it's an opportunity to encourage the client to purchase something more expensive so you might get some positive cash flow out of the deal anyway. There's a psychological advantage to thinking that you're going to get a $1000 panel by actually "paying" only another $500. I would think there's probably a psychological tendency to undervalue the $500 that was paid 5 years earlier even though your business has had use of it in that time. So you'd have positive cash flow as well as a satisfied customer, right? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 14:30:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:40:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Resizing patterns Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:36:30 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990317133630.00ba07b0@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk wouldn't it just be easier to copy it once onto an acetate sheet, and project it via overhead onto the wall? you could make it any size you want, and i don't recall ever seeing a copier that took 32" paper. you'd have to make it up with at most 11x17 sheets, which is a pain to match up correctly. regards, charlie phx, az >Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:07:53 -0700 >Subject: Resizing patterns >Sender: shigbee@stmassociates.com >From: shigbee@stmassociates.com >To: glass@bungi.com > >Hello all. I'm new to the list, and pretty darn new to the glass hobby. = >I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern on our local Kinko's = >copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a book--6 3/4" x 7 = >1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a little engineering wheely = >doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) that tells me I need = >to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up to 200% at = >one time.=20 > >Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use to figure what = >percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run the = >thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = >work--you're increasing the size exponentially. > >Shari Higbee >Salt Lake City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 15:04:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:29:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fw: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:20:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.92036.0> Precedence: bulk >If it's a valid gift certificate - if the shop is still owned by the >original owner - if pigs had wings -- no that's not right - anyway why not >invite the customer into the shop and make a new customer into a recurring >happy customer? > >What do you all think? I agree. In fact, sounds more like a lack of customer service/rude shopkeepers to me. Even if the ownership has changed, mightn't there be a discount that could be used? Customers flighty heard animals that will stampede the others away - depending on what they heard. Hell, I'm STILL looking for several gift certificates that I haven't used and misplaced.... all over 2 years old. Just my .02 Paula Nelson pjnelson@glassdogstudio.com http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 15:28:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:41:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: "Bungi 101" Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:30:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.93035.0> Precedence: bulk >Actually, he's German (or maybe Austrian, I forget). My sister is a Arnold groupet and so from all I have heard... "Austrian". Paula Nelson pjnelson@glassdogstudio.com http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 15:30:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:54:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:43:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.94324.0> References: <<1999Mar11.1520.0>> Precedence: bulk >> Canfield 60/40 doesn't seem to flow as smoothly as Fry 60/40; it behaves a lot >> like Fry 50/50, kind of pasty even as hot as I solder. (I didn't try the >> Canfield 50/50, so I don't know how that compares.) I just soldered a panel yesterday and knew I was going to need 50/50 to fill in gaps. I use 60/40 most of the time but I was so shocked at the bead that I got from the 50/50 (Canfield's) that I went and picked up more for another panel I have to put together this week, and I'll use it for the entire panel. Made the 60/40 I use act like water. Maybe I have a bad batch of 60/40 ... But, I'll keep an eye on the stuff based on what I've been reading. Paula Nelson pjnelson@glassdogstudio.com http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 15:49:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:00:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Questions, questions, questions -;) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:51:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.9514.0> Precedence: bulk I've been watching the bungi mail fly and since I've been distracted by my real job , I haven't had the time to put together some questions I have... so there are going to be several all packaged together . On the theme of pricing... I went and looked at the page that caused so much conversation... and someday when I grow up I hope to earn as much as she's charging... Okay.....questions: 1. Has anyone seen any black/white flashed glass recently - believe by Desag and I can't seem to find any. From my understanding (second hand from Hoy's) is that they make it when they feel like it.... sounds great - but I want some! 2. I went and dug thru the archives yesterday - I would be interested in knowing just how everyone (that feels like replying) prices their work. Couldn't really find much on it in the archives.... not recent anyway. Reason is... I just finished a panel that is 10.75 x 7.5 with 87 pieces and I'm curious how someone else would price it.... Paula Nelson pjnelson@glassdogstudio.com http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 16:02:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:36:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Resizing patterns Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:37:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar17.63754.0> Precedence: bulk If you choose to enlarge from the original pattern ****once****, your enlargement will be fairly accurate. However, when you enlarge from an enlargement your pattern can be off slightly each time. Please make sure that when you have the size you require that you check that it is in square, equal and the lines themselves have not taken on another life form entirely from being enlarged from the 2nd enlargement from the 1st enlargement from the original :-)! ---Tim & Adriana Atwood wrote: > > Actually, I came up with 474%. 32 / 6.75 = 4.74 > > Anyway, 200% then 200% then 118.5% should do it. > > Enlarging the pattern 200% twice should bring it up to four times the size > (doubled each time), or 27". 32 / 27 = 1.185, or 118.5 %. Since the copier > will probably only do 118 or 119 (or maybe only 115 or 120), you will have > to try both to see which turns out best. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shari Higbee > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:27 AM > Subject: Resizing patterns > > > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >Hello all. I'm new to the list, and pretty darn new to the glass hobby. = > >I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern on our local Kinko's = > >copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a book--6 3/4" x 7 = > >1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a little engineering wheely = > >doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) that tells me I need = > >to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up to 200% at = > >one time.=20 > > > >Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use to figure what = > >percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run the = > >thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = > >work--you're increasing the size exponentially. > > > >Shari Higbee > >Salt Lake City > > > >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0 > >Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > > > > >
Hello all. I'm new to the list, and = > >pretty darn=20 > >new to the glass hobby. I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern = > >on our=20 > >local Kinko's copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a = > >book--6=20 > >3/4" x 7 1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a = > >little=20 > >engineering wheely doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) = > >that tells=20 > >me I need to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up = > >to 200%=20 > >at one time.
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Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use = > >to figure=20 > >what percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run = > >the=20 > >thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = > >work--you're=20 > >increasing the size exponentially.
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Shari Higbee
Salt Lake=20 > >City
> > > >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0-- > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 16:24:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:43:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Charles Spitzer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Resizing patterns Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.124040.0> Precedence: bulk Kinko's has oversize copies with 36" stock paper.... kinda handy when you don't want to trace the overhead projection. Runs = between $2 and $5 a copy. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 16:32:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:56:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Kissing Patrick! ;o) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:58:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.10584.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Patrick, More than a few have suggested that perhaps kissing you this morning brought me some good luck! ;o) You can count on more smooches from me, pucker up! T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 16:32:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:56:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG O's for the day! Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:53:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.125318.0> Precedence: bulk Hey O'Sparks, maybe patrick will sprinkle some of his magic dust around so we all can be "O's" for the day! Abbie O'Mason in Va ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 16:49:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:49:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:46:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.124634.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE709E.19337920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: Thank you for you compliments on my works of art. I am self taught. It took me years and years to figure out how to=20 create a different method making stained glass lamps. It is very time consuming. Would you please tell me where you seen our web site? I don,t know what you mean the=20 site was posted on your glass list. I am coming out=20 with an Instructional book on how to make 3d lamps. Thanks again Arkie Pisello Sr. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE709E.19337920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi:
 
Thank you for you compliments on my = works of=20 art. I am
 
self=20 taught.  It took me years and years to figure out how to =
 
create a different method making = stained glass=20 lamps.
 
It is very time consuming.  = Would you=20 please tell me where
 
you seen our web site?  I don,t = know what=20 you mean the
 
site was posted on your glass list. = I am coming=20 out
 
with an Instructional book on how to = make 3d=20 lamps.
 
Thanks again
 
Arkie Pisello = Sr.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE709E.19337920-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 17:32:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: IGGA - what is it? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.144341.0> Precedence: bulk Hello fellow bungians. The following email (OK'ed by Glenna Rand) is a shameless plug for a glass group near and dear to many a bungian's heart - the International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA). For many of our newer bungians who might not know anything about the IGGA, let us briefly explain what the IGGA is, how it differs from bungi.com, and the benefits of IGGA membership. Our Mission: To facilitate communication among and between glass artists, for the promotion and encouragement of excellence in the glass arts. The IGGA is for all glass artists everywhere - whether you are professional, amateur, just-going-into-business, hobbyist - whether you work in stained glass, hot glass, neon, fused/slumped glass, painted glass, lamps, mosaics, or whatever. As long as it related to glass, we are there to promote and encourage it both within the glass community, and to the outside world. As Gerry Phibbs, the IGGA's past chairman, points out, "Glass remains a solitary pursuit for many of us." One of the most important functions of the IGGA is to allow sharing of enthusiasm for glass as a craft and as an art material. Many of the members of the IGGA are also members of bungi.com, and participate quite actively in sharing information about techniques, sources for materials, classes and workshops, and even the fun bungi-banter. But the IGGA is more than just a subset of the bungi.com on-line group. The IGGA publishes a quarterly glass magazine titled "Common Ground:GLASS". This magazine features interviews with world- renowned glass artists such as Robert Oddy (copper foil) and Robert Mickleson (lampworking) , reviews of new books and software, practical technical articles such as the current one on glass painting by Dani Greer, photo journalism articles of members' installations, and special topics such as mosaic work or restoration techniques and philosophies. Most of the articles in "Common Ground:GLASS" are written based on members' requests for more information about a particular topic. And the Spring issue features the famous "Sources Guide" - a complete listing of all glass-related manufacturers, distributors, and retailers. The "Sources Guide" includes addresses, phone and fax numbers, email addresses, web sites, and full product descriptions for all sources of materials, supplies, glass, educational materials, and related products. IGGA members receive discounts of 5 to 50% on purchases from various Supporting Suppliers. The IGGA has its own web site http://igga.org/ featuring back issues of "Common Ground:GLASS", listings of IGGA members, links to exciting glass sites on the web, and images of glass creations by IGGA members. As an IGGA member you receive a free web home page and up to 5 images of your work. This free web page is maintained by the IGGA. All you have to supply are photographs/slides and a description of your studio/store and the images. Membership in the IGGA allows you to participate in one of the committees, making the Guild helpful and useful to you and your work. Committees include Publication (the "Common Ground:GLASS"), Education, Finance and Nominating. Exciting projects currently under way include setting up a business plan for the glass artist, and a survey of restoration needs and expectations as we go into the 21st Century. One of our long-term goals is to realize the dream of a year-round glass school. You too can become part of this exciting group! Join the International Guild of Glass Artists! Costs for an individual artist in the U.S.A. is only $45/year. Application for membership is available on-line at our web site http://igga.org/app.htm OK - I'm off my soapbox now..... Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Vice Chair, IGGA pj Friend Paul Friend Architectural Glass Chair, IGGA Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios Treasurer, IGGA Albert Lewis Executive Director, IGGA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 17:58:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:45:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Paula Nelson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: About that Canfield solder...... Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:33:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.113323.0> References: <<1999Mar17.94324.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I've used Canfield 60/40 solder exclusively, haven't tried the Fry. I don't know if the Canfield 60/40 is contaminated or what, but my soldering looks like a bead from hell. I use an Ungar; changed the tips which were gunking up every time I ran a bead, changed my temperature controller to an Inland, and finally went back to my old Weller which didn't really help at all. I have to find a supplier for Fry to try it. Right now, all I have available is Canfield, but it seems other people are having problems with it so I'm going to try and locate the Fry and if I can't, I think I'll try the 50/50. I think I've exhausted any other cause, including new flux, new flux brushes, you name it, I've replaced it. Carol T Paula Nelson wrote: > >> Canfield 60/40 doesn't seem to flow as smoothly as Fry 60/40; it behaves > a lot > >> like Fry 50/50, kind of pasty even as hot as I solder. (I didn't try the > >> Canfield 50/50, so I don't know how that compares.) > > I just soldered a panel yesterday and knew I was going to need 50/50 to > fill in gaps. I use 60/40 most of the time but I was so shocked at the bead > that I got from the 50/50 (Canfield's) that I went and picked up more for > another panel I have to put together this week, and I'll use it for the > entire panel. Made the 60/40 I use act like water. Maybe I have a bad batch > of 60/40 ... But, I'll keep an eye on the stuff based on what I've been > reading. > > Paula Nelson > pjnelson@glassdogstudio.com > > http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 18:02:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:21:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: computer settings Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:15:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.101556.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7099.D1D113C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent my first message to the list today, and noticed it shows up as "a multi-part message in MIME format." I don't see anyone else's messages = say that. Am I doing something wrong? Has anyone else had that problem? Shari in SLC ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7099.D1D113C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I sent my first message to the list today, and noticed it shows up = as=20 "a
multi-part message in MIME format." I don't see anyone = else's=20 messages say that. Am I doing something wrong? Has anyone else had that=20 problem?
 
Shari in = SLC
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7099.D1D113C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 18:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:55:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Gift certificates Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:52:39 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar18.05239.0> Precedence: bulk The case with the gift certificate was that it was from a competitor a fact that I unfortunately neglected to metion in the first post . But I will tell her of all the ideas mentioned on here so she can consider them also.I personally don't have this problem as I do only custom orders,but this may change in the very near future. Beveler4 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 18:19:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:58:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:55:48 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar18.05548.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All! I haven't used them, but the company I work for sells two types of side cutters for, I believe $6.99. Take a look and see if they are what you're looking for at WWW.MODELEXPOINC.COM and then do a search for cutter. There are other types as well, but as I say I haven't used any of them. Brenda << Affordable "Side cutters" here in UK only come with a bevelled back. Yeeears ago UNbevelled ones were imported, but no longer. The hunt for UNbevelled side cutters took me to Buck and Ryan Tool shop at Tottenham Court Road in London (king of tool shops in UK) and they were asking UK Sterling 75 for a pair. Crazy! >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 20:02:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:35:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:30:12 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar18.23012.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/17/99 5:10:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, seaspray@mail.island.net writes: << I would think there's probably a psychological tendency to undervalue the $500 that was paid 5 years earlier even though your business has had use of it in that time. >> So if you don't honor the certificate, are you going to give back the $500? Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 22:33:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:02:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Rude Customers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:00:39 -0800 Message-ID: <199903180600.WAA07787@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 3/17/99 5:10:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, >seaspray@mail.island.net writes: > ><< I > would think there's probably a psychological tendency to undervalue the $500 > that was paid 5 years earlier even though your business has had use of it in > that time. >> > > >So if you don't honor the certificate, are you going to give back the $500? Actually I was making the point based on the premise that the artist would honour the certificate. I'm not the one who posted that they wouldn't honour it! My suggestion was for them to try and upsell the client on more expensive work while they were honouring it. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 17 22:48:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:03:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: ellenid@EARTHLINK.NET Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: The Goof Panel Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:20:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.192030.0> Precedence: bulk Elleni, If you haven't soldered your panel yet you might want to foil the pieces that are too small with a narrower foil than the rest of you glass to even things up a bit. Probably can solve the whole remaining problem. After all is isn't how wide the space is that counts, it's how wide it LOOKS, in the final analysis! Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:56:17 -0500 Elleni Drafts writes: >Well, the goof panel is on it's way to completion. It is foiled and >one >side is soldered. It certainly wouldn't win any awards (haha) but I >am >proud of myself. My usual habit with all my other hobby/craft projects >that >run into big problems is to toss it in the closet and never finish it. >I am >finishing this project. Everytime I look at it I will remember to >never >make the same mistakes again. (Or at least I hope I remember.) > >I grinded about half the pieces again....all the larger pieces and all >the >border pieces. There are two spots that have some wider solder than >all the >others, but it is something I can live with. Just hope I never have to >live >with any more like it. > >I am use to doing small projects that I can finish in part of a day >and I >look forward to getting back to some more small ones now. This was a >real >learning experience, but I think it will be a while before I try a >panel >again. > >In fairness to my teacher - who is terrific- none of these mistakes >were >from her lack of teaching. She does not believe in cutting out >patterns and >gluing them to the glass. So I wasn't taught that way. I decided to >try it >after reading some of the post. I should have done a little more >research >on it rather than just jumping headlong into it. I had no idea what >pattern >shears were until I posted my "goof" message and got some responses. >That >will definitely be on my order list. > >Thanks again to all of you who helped me. Have a great St. Patty's >day. 33 >years ago today I was in the delivery room having my daughter. :-) > > > >Elleni >ellenid@earthlink.net >South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 01:06:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:42:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Stained Glass Lamps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:48:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar17.194821.0> References: <<1999Mar17.124634.0>> Precedence: bulk Can someone please send me the url for this website? Thanks. Suzanne > Hi: > > Thank you for you compliments on my works of art. I am > > self taught. It took me years and years to figure out how to=20 > > create a different method making stained glass lamps. > > It is very time consuming. Would you please tell me where > > you seen our web site? I don,t know what you mean the=20 > > site was posted on your glass list. I am coming out=20 > > with an Instructional book on how to make 3d lamps. > > Thanks again > > Arkie Pisello Sr. > -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 02:40:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:21:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Black/clear flashed glass Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:16:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.91638.0> Precedence: bulk At 15:51 17/03/99 -0600, Paula wrote: >1. Has anyone seen any black/white flashed glass recently - believe by >Desag and I can't seem to find any. From my understanding (second hand from >Hoy's) is that they make it when they feel like it.... sounds great - but I >want some! > > If only you were this side of the pond, Paula, we could sell you a couple of sheets off the shelf! My supplier gets it from Europe - Desag - but it appears to be hard to get in the USA. A couple of weeks ago an enquirer in the USA was looking for the same stuff, and I know some of my fellow RAGS members in the USA tried to help her find some. Try asking on the RAGS board - http://www.stainedglassretailers.com (click on Ask the Pros) - in case they have any in stock now. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 05:08:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:46:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gift certificates Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:51:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199903181144.GAA24189@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The case with the gift certificate was that it was from a competitor > a fact that I unfortunately neglected to metion in the first post . Oh! Well, that's a whole 'nuther kettle of fish. It isn't necessary to honor competitors' gift certificates (although our local supermarket honors competitors' coupons ... so perhaps some clever thinking will convert the competitor's customer into *your customer). Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 06:40:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:42:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG O's for the day! Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:41:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar18.13419.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/17/99 7:34:03 PM, ABBIE23875@prodigy.net wrote: >Hey O'Sparks, maybe patrick will sprinkle some of his magic dust around so >we all can be "O's" for the day! Abbie O'Mason in Va Magic dust ------- *now* you're talkin'! Sparks (thinking that a big bowl of "Lucky Charms" cereal would taste really good right now) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 07:11:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:42:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: stainedglasslamps@csinet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:41:08 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar18.13418.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/17/99 7:50:21 PM, stainedglasslamps@csinet.net wrote: >Thank you for you compliments on my works of art. I am >self taught. Truly amazing stuff! Just shows to go the rest of us what's possible when there's nobody around to tell you it's hard! >Would you please tell me where >you seen our web site? I did an Excite search for "3-D stained glass" or something like that, I don't remember exactly what the parameters were. Your site came up on the first page. >I don't know what you mean the >site was posted on your glass list. I copied the URL and posted it to bungi (the stained glass e-mail list). >I am coming out >with an Instructional book on how to make 3d lamps. When? Who's publishing it? I want a copy! >Thanks again >Arkie Pisello Sr. Thank *you* for sharing your fabulous work! CCW Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 07:31:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: usa.net!curtamin-ang From: curtamin-ang@usa.net To: curtamin-ang@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Angel Curtis Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:09:43 +0100 Message-ID: <36237.548417013888000.169461@localhost> Precedence: bulk Hi,this is the first and last mail you'll receive from me. If you don't want to pursue what I'm going to tell you, that means I've accidentally sent this mail to the wrong address or that I've offended you. If so, please accept my apology, and if you don't respond I will know I must remove you immediately from my address book. 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For this exceptional free offer of help, please fill in the confidential form on: http://www.astro-web.enfrance.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 07:39:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:18:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: uitland@glassdogstudio.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Questions, questions, questions -;) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:18:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.41813.0> Precedence: bulk Paula writes: <<<2. I went and dug thru the archives yesterday - I would be interested in knowing just how everyone (that feels like replying) prices their work. Couldn't really find much on it in the archives.... not recent anyway. Reason is... I just finished a panel that is 10.75 x 7.5 with 87 pieces and I'm curious how someone else would price it....>>> There is a web site called "Alice's Stained Glass" which features a studio in Glendale, AZ (nice work), and they offer a concise formula for pricing their work. If you log on, there is a link to "pricing work". This offers one suggestion anyway..... http://home.earthlink.net/~asgitp/home.htm P.S. There is also a belly dancer panel displayed which someone was looking for earlier....... Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 07:54:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:10:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Resizing patterns Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:10:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.41039.0> Precedence: bulk If it's important to resize a pattern near-to-perfect, don't forget about the service available for stained glass persons, from "Patterns Your Way". I am not affiliated with them, and have not used their service, but sounds like a great way to go if you need just the right size. You can hook into their web page at: http://www.patternsyw.com Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 08:03:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: javanet.com!ngranger From: Nancy Granger To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: No messages Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.42856.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I haven't gotten any messages from the group for two days. Not sure what is wrong but I miss you guys. Any ideas? Thanks, Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 08:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:45:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'barbara elmore'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Resizing patterns Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.4465.0> Precedence: bulk Do it like you would knead dough....rotate in the machine 90 degrees with each copy to keep the stretch from being all in one direction. Linda -----Original Message----- From: barbara elmore [SMTP:barbaraelmore@yahoo.com] If you choose to enlarge from the original pattern ****once****, your enlargement will be fairly accurate. However, when you enlarge from an enlargement your pattern can be off slightly each time. Please make sure that when you have the size you require that you check that it is in square, equal and the lines themselves have not taken on another life form entirely from being enlarged from the 2nd enlargement from the 1st enlargement from the original :-)! ---Tim & Adriana Atwood wrote: > > Actually, I came up with 474%. 32 / 6.75 = 4.74 > > Anyway, 200% then 200% then 118.5% should do it. > > Enlarging the pattern 200% twice should bring it up to four times the size > (doubled each time), or 27". 32 / 27 = 1.185, or 118.5 %. Since the copier > will probably only do 118 or 119 (or maybe only 115 or 120), you will have > to try both to see which turns out best. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shari Higbee > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:27 AM > Subject: Resizing patterns > > > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >Hello all. I'm new to the list, and pretty darn new to the glass hobby. = > >I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern on our local Kinko's = > >copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a book--6 3/4" x 7 = > >1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a little engineering wheely = > >doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) that tells me I need = > >to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up to 200% at = > >one time.=20 > > > >Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use to figure what = > >percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run the = > >thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = > >work--you're increasing the size exponentially. > > > >Shari Higbee > >Salt Lake City > > > >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0 > >Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > > > > >
Hello all. I'm new to the list, and = > >pretty darn=20 > >new to the glass hobby. I'm trying to figure out how to resize a pattern = > >on our=20 > >local Kinko's copier. The original pattern is a little thing out of a = > >book--6=20 > >3/4" x 7 1/8". I want the width to be 32". I have a = > >little=20 > >engineering wheely doohicky (probably not the actual technical term!) = > >that tells=20 > >me I need to enlarge the pattern 473%. The copier will only enlarge up = > >to 200%=20 > >at one time.
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Can anyone tell me the mathematical formula to use = > >to figure=20 > >what percentage increases I need to use and how many times I need to run = > >the=20 > >thing thru the copier to get to my 473%? 200% + 200% + 73% does not = > >work--you're=20 > >increasing the size exponentially.
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Shari Higbee
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> > > >------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE7055.A4086FE0-- > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 08:42:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:47:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ABBIE, I can't reach you - NG Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:50:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.45046.0> Precedence: bulk Evelyn (Abbie) Mason I have sent you 2 e-mail this morning and they are bouncing Please e-mail me. LInda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 08:47:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.45347.0> Precedence: bulk All day yesterday I read messages to Patrick but I have seen not one reply from him. Does anyone know where he is? Is anyone else getting his messages? Is it just me. It just seemed odd to not have him respond to all the St Paddy's hubbub. LInda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 09:10:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:53:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Gift certificates Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:09:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.3928.0> Precedence: bulk that I unfortunately neglected to mention in the first post > Well that is a horse of a different color......if the certificate was not for her studio then she has no obligation to honor it. You can always offer gift certificates for commissioned work. Especially for those who need something in a hurry. I always tell them that part of the "gift" is that the receiver gets to be apart of the design process. Makes it an even better "gift" my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:27 PM Subject: Gift certificates >The case with the gift certificate was that it was from a competitor a fact >that I unfortunately neglected to metion in the first post . But I will tell >her of all the ideas mentioned on here so she can consider them also.I >personally don't have this problem as I do only custom orders,but this may >change in the very near future. Beveler4 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 09:11:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:05:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Stained Glass Lamps'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:08:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.5820.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Arkie, You have stumbled into the online glass mailing list called "bungi". Someone must have posted your web address to the group because they admired your work. We probably found it "surfing". We are a group of about 650 who are bound together by our love os stained glass and the computer. We are hobbiests, professionals, beginners and old hands. Most of us have never met. There are no membership dues. The oly thing required to participate is to subscribe. Then you mailbox will be full of interesting post about the art of stained glass. We learn form each other. Please join us. YOu can see some of the archives and the instruction on how to subscribe at http://www.bungi.com/glass/ I really do like your 3-d works. Fantastic. Linda Campbell beginner Suffolk, VA -----Original Message----- From: Stained Glass Lamps [SMTP:stainedglasslamps@csinet.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 5:47 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Hi: Thank you for you compliments on my works of art. I am self taught. It took me years and years to figure out how to=20 create a different method making stained glass lamps. It is very time consuming. Would you please tell me where you seen our web site? I don,t know what you mean the=20 site was posted on your glass list. I am coming out=20 with an Instructional book on how to make 3d lamps. Thanks again Arkie Pisello Sr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 10:13:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:02:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:05:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.559.0> References: <<1999Mar18.45347.0>> Precedence: bulk > All day yesterday I read messages to Patrick but I have seen not one reply > from him. Does anyone know where he is? Is anyone else getting his > messages? Is it just me. It just seemed odd to not have him respond to all > the St Paddy's hubbub. > > > LInda > ---- I havent heard from him...I figured the Irishman was partaking in some St Patrick Day Parties! ;o) Maybe dancing on the roof? Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 10:29:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:25:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: AWOL Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:22:13 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199903181724.LAA18938@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Maybe too much celebrating????? (Pirouettes can be dangerous if under the influence!) Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 11:42:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:14:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netphase.net!deskins From: Lou Deskins To: bungi glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:13:12 -0500 Message-ID: <199903181812.NAA30063@www.netphase.net> Precedence: bulk I must have missed this 3D site - and I would like to go there... could someone please post the address again? Thanks. Lou in WV. >Hello Arkie, >Someone must have posted your web address to the group because they admired >your work. We probably found it "surfing". >I really do like your 3-d works. Fantastic. > >Linda Campbell >beginner >Suffolk, VA > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stained Glass Lamps [SMTP:stainedglasslamps@csinet.net] >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 5:47 PM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Gatewayed mail message ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 12:33:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:00:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Patrick? Date: Thu Mar 18 10:58:46 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.83646.0> Precedence: bulk the last message i show from him was on the 13th, saturday any one else? debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source Taurus II Ring Saw $399.00 plus shipping 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Linda Campbell Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Patrick? >> All day yesterday I read messages to Patrick but I have seen not one reply >> from him. Does anyone know where he is? Is anyone else getting his >> messages? Is it just me. It just seemed odd to not have him respond to all >> the St Paddy's hubbub. >> >> >> LInda >> ---- > > >I havent heard from him...I figured the Irishman was partaking in some >St Patrick Day Parties! ;o) Maybe dancing on the roof? > >Suzanne >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 12:52:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:09:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Albert Lewis" , Subject: Re: Gift certificates Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:08:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.385.0> Precedence: bulk I don't understand - a competitor's five year old gift certificate? What does that have to do with this person? Why would any one honor a gift certificate from a competitor (even bought today???) ? It doesn't make sense... So, I could pay Ralph's Supermarket and pick up my food at Lucky's? Better yet, I'm gonna give Dodgestudio $500 for a panel that Suzanne or Patrick have to make... hummm... -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 5:26 AM Subject: Re: Gift certificates > >> The case with the gift certificate was that it was from a competitor >> a fact that I unfortunately neglected to metion in the first post . > >Oh! Well, that's a whole 'nuther kettle of fish. It isn't necessary >to honor competitors' gift certificates (although our local >supermarket honors competitors' coupons ... so perhaps some clever >thinking will convert the competitor's customer into *your customer). > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 13:12:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:17:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: IGGA - what is it? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:16:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.91646.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Christie A. Wood" > You too can become part of this exciting group! Join the International Guild of Glass Artists! Costs for an individual artist in the U.S.A. is only $45/year. Application for membership is available on-line at our web site http://igga.org/app.htm < Or if you want me to snail-mail an application, just send me the info off-bungi. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 13:14:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:45:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: AWOL Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.94341.0> References: <<199903181724.LAA18938@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk Yes, those pirouettes can be a might tricky especially while wearing a glass tutu! Kaye Sodt wrote: > Maybe too much celebrating????? (Pirouettes can be dangerous if > under the influence!) > > Kaye > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 13:29:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:45:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:43:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199903181843.KAA14967@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >All day yesterday I read messages to Patrick but I have seen not one reply >from him. Does anyone know where he is? Is anyone else getting his >messages? Is it just me. It just seemed odd to not have him respond to all >the St Paddy's hubbub. Think about it...the parades, the celebrations, the green beer, the hangover??? the shattered tutut...need I go on? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 13:29:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:19:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Paula Nelson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Questions, questions, questions -;) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:16:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.91636.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Paula Nelson >any black/white flashed glass recently< Flashed glass is often mouth-blown and Desag has closed their factory that manufactured mouthblown glasses.... that might be the problem, it's not available any longer. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 13:47:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:52:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: nGlass Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.95124.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Daniel M. German, what's up with nGlass? Haven't been able to access it lately. I really enjoy this site. Will it be up again soon? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 13:55:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:27:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Some beginner questions ... Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:20:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.32048.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I=92m new to the list and have a few questions. At the design stage, what is the gap I need to leave between two pieces of glass? For : 1 ... 1 mm (0.03937=94) copper foil 2 ... 1.25 mm (0.04921=94) copper foil 3 ... 1.5 mm (0.05905=94) copper foil 4 ... lead came 5 ... zinc came (just fill in the blank lines if you know the answer ) I=92m using a computer program (AutoCAD) for the design stage that I already have for other purposes, but it works for stained glass design as well. Obviously AutoCAD will work for stained glass design though it would be overkill to buy it only for that. So, I would like to obtain a reliable and precise value for the gap. Using AutoCAD for the line design and then PaintshopPro to paste in glass photos/scans (from Spectrum, Kokomo, Urobors, et. al.) one can get a pretty good idea of what the finished panel will look like before one has to actually cut the glass thereby spending cash money. Now the next question concerns the general system I should use. I did some stained glass some 25+ years ago, and I=92m only just now getting back into it after ... well ... doing a lot of other things . = Right now I=92m at the design stage, but soon I=92ll tool up and start do= ing them one after the other. Since I like precision work I guess I=92ll use = a standard cutter + grinder as well as one of those water-cooled diamond band saws (for the difficult curves). I figure I=92ll number the pieces electronically (in the file), and then print out the file on regular sheets of paper, cut out the pieces of paper and glue them to the glass with some water-based spray adhesive (like diluted wallpaper glue) after choosing the right part of the glass using a lightbox, cut the glass, grind it, wash off the paper by soaking in hot water and a little soap, foil, assemble, and solder. Using that system I should be able to get a good fit and a strong window ... n=92est pas vrai? That leads me to another question : what is the maximum size panel I should do with copper foil? = AFAIK, the copper foil + solder technique was developed by Louis Tiffany and co-workers at the end of the 19th century for small lightweight glass pieces and not really intended for structural panels. This technique has definite limitations in terms of strength which translates to panel size limitations. What would be good reliable numbers to use for the size limitations of glass panels made using the copper foil technique? The reason I=92m asking is two-fold. = First, about 40-50% of the outside of this house we just moved into is glass walls. We=92re talking about approximately 250 sq ft of glass, which should be enough to keep me busy for a while ... at least for a couple of days . From floor to ceiling, most consist of two glass panels one on top of the other in a wooden frame; one 27=94W x 43=94H on = top of one thats 27=94W x 35=94H (inside dimensions of the wooden frame). Wha= t I would make are not replacement structural panels, but decorative only panels fitting inside the existing glass. Do I need to split these into smaller panels or can I make, for example, a 27=94W x 43=94H foiled panel= to fit inside the existing wooden frame and hold it in using simple straight brackets screwed into the outer wooden frame? Second, I=92ve been asked by a couple of our friends to do some panels fo= r them ... so I need some guide as to whats actually possible realistically. I haven=92t even started cutting glass yet and already they=92re asking! Stained glass must be getting more popular these days.= = Anyway ... thanks for any responses .... regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 14:09:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:52:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Black/clear flashed glass Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:51:50 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar18.195150.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/18/99 2:41:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, studio@stainedglass.co.uk writes: << 1. Has anyone seen any black/white flashed glass recently >> speaking of flashed glass: I've seen some really nice pieces where a pattern has been blasted into flashed glass, effectively taking of the flash and leaving a white design. Is flashed glass specific to certain types or manufacturers ? (I don't see it in catalogs) Will etching cream go deep enough to get to the underlayer, or do you have to blast a design into flashed glass? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 14:26:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:57:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:56:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.95653.0> References: <<1999Mar18.13418.0>> Precedence: bulk These beautiful 3D animal lamps by Arkie Pisello Sr. can be seen at www.stainedglasslamps.com Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/17/99 7:50:21 PM, stainedglasslamps@csinet.net wrote: > > >Thank you for you compliments on my works of art. I am > >self taught. > > Truly amazing stuff! Just shows to go the rest of us what's possible when > there's nobody around to tell you it's hard! > > >Would you please tell me where > >you seen our web site? > > I did an Excite search for "3-D stained glass" or something like that, I don't > remember exactly what the parameters were. Your site came up on the first > page. > > >I don't know what you mean the > >site was posted on your glass list. > > I copied the URL and posted it to bungi (the stained glass e-mail list). > > >I am coming out > >with an Instructional book on how to make 3d lamps. > > When? Who's publishing it? I want a copy! > > >Thanks again > >Arkie Pisello Sr. > > Thank *you* for sharing your fabulous work! > > CCW Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 14:27:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:00:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Lou Deskins'" , bungi glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:02:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.10215.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ I must have missed this 3D site - and I would like to go there... could someone please post the address again? Thanks. Lou in WV. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 14:31:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:01:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fidnet.com!dawnm From: "Dawn" To: "Lou Deskins" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:49:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.54912.0> Precedence: bulk Lou and Suzanne, I must have missed that one too, but I did a search by his name and found the following: http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/Default.htm *Incredible* stuff! Amazing work! The animal sculpture lamps are awe inspiring. I would also be interested in his book on how-to. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: Lou Deskins To: bungi glass Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 11:50 AM Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message >I must have missed this 3D site - and I would like to go there... could >someone please post the address again? >Thanks. > >Lou in WV. > >>Hello Arkie, > >>Someone must have posted your web address to the group because they admired > >>your work. We probably found it "surfing". >>I really do like your 3-d works. Fantastic. >> >>Linda Campbell >>beginner >>Suffolk, VA >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Stained Glass Lamps [SMTP:stainedglasslamps@csinet.net] >>Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 5:47 PM >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Subject: Gatewayed mail message >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 14:46:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:21:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fidnet.com!dawnm From: "Dawn" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Technique for leaf detail Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:09:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.6955.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, We've discussed before some of the realism in Robert Oddy's pieces and some of his techniques, but I can't find an answer to my question in the archives. In the following close-ups, how did he get the realistic veining on the leaves? Is it paint or flashed glass with top darker color etched away? How do you get such detail in a leaf??? http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_B6.html http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_T1.html Also, are the curly tendrils just wire soldered to the nearest joint? Do you silicon the end of the tendril to the glass so it doesn't get pulled away, snagged, etc. Most of his tendrils run off into a piece of glass, so it can't be soldered into place at the very end. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 14:48:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:22:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fidnet.com!dawnm From: "Dawn" To: "Dani Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Guardian Angel with Children on Bridge Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:23:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.42336.0> Precedence: bulk Dani, I believe you were asking about the artist that did the Guardian Angel with Children on Bridge, but can't find the mail now to be certain it was you. All I have been able to uncover is that is was by "Lindburg in the early 1900's". Anyone have anymore information on the artist? Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 14:54:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:29:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!mardiespt From: "Rick Conyac" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: chat list Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:10:43 -0600 Message-ID: <199903182027.MAA12818@magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Precedence: bulk Yes I am interested! Does this cost or just chat. Rags wants quite a bit to chat to them, I am not interested in paying for conversation and talking about techinques. I have a commission studio, teach classes, and take care of two young children. I have been into stained glass for 15 years. I am interested in finding information on really old establishments, castles, churches, or homes. I enjoy seeing and reading about the subject of antique windows. I have no ententions of try to use them for profit. Please email mail me at macpastime@juno.com if you want. mardie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 15:08:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:55:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Kaye Sodt" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: AWOL Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:01:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.9114.0> Precedence: bulk Do you suppose he partied so hardy that his tutu got broken. Boy, I hope not,,,,,,,,,don't want to imagine the outcome,,,,, Don't they include "Caution Labels" with those things???? Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Sodt To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 12:46 PM Subject: AWOL Patrick? >Maybe too much celebrating????? (Pirouettes can be dangerous if >under the influence!) > >Kaye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 15:09:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:48:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:50:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.95030.0> Precedence: bulk >Think about it...the parades, the celebrations, the green beer, the >hangover??? the shattered tutut...need I go on? .....broken gnomon! (there! I went on for you!) *evil grin*! Blake :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 15:27:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: solder Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:27:53 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk With all the talk of solder lately it makes me wonder. I'm solder illiterate. The only kind I've used is Dutch Boy Stained Glass 63/37. How does this compare to the Canfield and Fry that has been discussed? Thanks for any input. Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 16:29:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:09:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:07:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990318150701.009283e0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar18.10215.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ Wow! Anyone who hasn't gone to this site already...do it now. How he was able to form and solder some of these animals without boxing himself into a corner is beyond me. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 17:00:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:59:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: AWOL Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:57:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar18.23576.0> Precedence: bulk Hmmmm, I may have tipped back a few too many pints last night, but I swore it was Patrick up on the bar singing "The Wild Rover"......tu tu and all..... maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 18:00:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Black/clear flashed glass Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.145523.0> Precedence: bulk Lamberts carries some really wonderful flashed glass. The colors are to die for. And the do have a black/white. You really have to blast or acid etch the surface to get to the under layer. Etching cream just doesn't do that. my best, pj (who is waiting patiently for a shipment of Lamberts....and waiting ......and waiting.....) Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Black/clear flashed glass >In a message dated 3/18/99 2:41:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, >studio@stainedglass.co.uk writes: > ><< 1. Has anyone seen any black/white flashed glass recently >> > >speaking of flashed glass: I've seen some really nice pieces where >a pattern has been blasted into flashed glass, effectively taking of the >flash and leaving a white design. > >Is flashed glass specific to certain types or manufacturers ? >(I don't see it in catalogs) > >Will etching cream go deep enough to get to the underlayer, or do you >have to blast a design into flashed glass? >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 18:21:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:38:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 3D lamps Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:35:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.143531.0> Precedence: bulk Do you think they are made on a mold????? Incredible!!!!Glass is Amazing!!!! "Amazing Glass", thats another bumper sticker in the making! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 18:27:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:43:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Elleni Drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: solder Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.144315.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Elleni Drafts wrote: > > With all the talk of solder lately it makes me wonder. I'm solder > illiterate. The only kind I've used is Dutch Boy Stained Glass 63/37. How > does this compare to the Canfield and Fry that has been discussed? Thanks > for any input. > > Elleni > ellenid@earthlink.net > South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass 63-37 is the best solder to bead by, but it is also more expensive. try using 60-40. dutchboy and canfield are about the same quality. willard is also good. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 18:30:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:05:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Linda Campbell" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:56:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.14566.0> Precedence: bulk I think I want the Statue of Liberty for our front yard. pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: 'Lou Deskins' ; bungi glass Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 5:45 PM Subject: RE: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message >http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ > >I must have missed this 3D site - and I would like to go there... could >someone please post the address again? >Thanks. > >Lou in WV. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 20:04:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:56:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Animal lamps Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:54:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.165423.0> Precedence: bulk Some very nice work on Arkie's web site.... real collector pieces. They're worth what he's charging as far as I'm concerned. A must see..... www.stainedglasslamps.com/ Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 20:21:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:58:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks you guys! Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:02:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.15228.0> Precedence: bulk I have gotten alot of private mail encouraging me and wishing me well for the new clients. I appreciate it very much, especially everyones advice. I surely dont mind people giving me advice, even if it isnt what you think I want to hear. I learn from all of it. Also...I take what fits my work style most..or what I can deal with at this point in time. :o) Made some sales today with one of my contacts from last week! :o) I am praying what they bought from me sells! Lets hope they know what they are doing. I was sooo cool today having someone hand me money instead of visa versa today! I did screw up today! Man this is really embarrassing. I sold something that someone else told me that wanted. Oops! Luckily it is an original *Suzanne design, and it could be improved upon anyway, and I have some of the glass that is was made from...so, they will only get a better one! Where was my brain???? Thanks again everyone. I am way behind on email...and dont want you to think I dont recognise what I am getting. Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 20:39:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:03:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Some beginner questions ... Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:02:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.17258.0> References: <<1999Mar18.32048.0>> Precedence: bulk Ichario Tashiro has an interesting technical page on his website that you may want to peruse. He does most of his work in the copper foil technique and says the largest panel he's made to date measures 2.6 ft X 5.3 ft. He gives details on the technical page regarding reinforcement. As long as a copper foil panel isn't subjected directly to the elements it seems the size can be quite large. All of his windows are installed against clear glass already installed it seems. Anyway, check out his website......you might pick up some interesting tidbits. http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/index.html > That leads me to another question : what is the maximum size panel I > should do with copper foil? = > > AFAIK, the copper foil + solder technique was developed by Louis Tiffany > and co-workers at the end of the 19th century for small lightweight > glass pieces and not really intended for structural panels. This > technique has definite limitations in terms of strength which translates > to panel size limitations. What would be good reliable numbers to use > for the size limitations of glass panels made using the copper foil > technique? > > The reason I=92m asking is two-fold. = > > First, about 40-50% of the outside of this house we just moved into is > glass walls. We=92re talking about approximately 250 sq ft of glass, > which should be enough to keep me busy for a while ... at least for a > couple of days . From floor to ceiling, most consist of two glass > panels one on top of the other in a wooden frame; one 27=94W x 43=94H on = > top > of one thats 27=94W x 35=94H (inside dimensions of the wooden frame). Wha= > t I > would make are not replacement structural panels, but decorative only > panels fitting inside the existing glass. Do I need to split these into > smaller panels or can I make, for example, a 27=94W x 43=94H foiled panel= > to > fit inside the existing wooden frame and hold it in using simple > straight brackets screwed into the outer wooden frame? > > Second, I=92ve been asked by a couple of our friends to do some panels fo= > r > them ... so I need some guide as to whats actually possible > realistically. I haven=92t even started cutting glass yet and already > they=92re asking! Stained glass must be getting more popular these days.= > = > > Anyway ... thanks for any responses .... regards ..... Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 21:03:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:16:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Dawn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:19:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.17193.0> References: <<1999Mar18.6955.0>> Precedence: bulk Dawn, Send an e-mail to Bob directly. He is an incredibly nice man and very generous with information about how he does his art. Hilary Dawn wrote: > Hi all, > > We've discussed before some of the realism in Robert Oddy's pieces and some > of his techniques, but I can't find an answer to my question in the > archives. > > In the following close-ups, how did he get the realistic veining on the > leaves? Is it paint or flashed glass with top darker color etched away? > How do you get such detail in a leaf??? > http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_B6.html > http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_T1.html > > Also, are the curly tendrils just wire soldered to the nearest joint? Do > you silicon the end of the tendril to the glass so it doesn't get pulled > away, snagged, etc. Most of his tendrils run off into a piece of glass, so > it can't be soldered into place at the very end. > > Dawn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 21:19:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:16:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Patrick? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.171455.0> References: <<1999Mar18.95030.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello All, I just had terrible thought. Could Toby have crossed the pond and devoured him? Maybe he was the "celebration" ughhhh Well, what do you think?? I'll send the retrievers out if he does not show up soon. Goldpaws Blake, Wayne, & Susan wrote: > > >Think about it...the parades, the celebrations, the green beer, the > >hangover??? the shattered tutut...need I go on? > > .....broken gnomon! > > (there! I went on for you!) > > *evil grin*! > Blake > :-) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 21:26:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:26:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wauknet.com!sreckner From: sreckner@wauknet.com (Steve Reckner) To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Flashed Glass? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:24:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.152432.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE7185.B6F5BE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Being new to stained glass, We're not familiar with flashed glass. Will = someone please explain what it is and how it's used? Thanks! Steve and Susan Reckner ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE7185.B6F5BE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE7185.B6F5BE60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 22:42:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:57:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Swinger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Some beginner questions ... Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:01:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.17128.0> References: <<1999Mar18.17258.0>> Precedence: bulk > Ichario Tashiro has an interesting technical page on his website that you may > want to peruse. Lest we forget to mention...these wonderful fellow Bungians websites. They both have tons of tips, and useful info, pretty stuff to inspire...and they are both nice, helpful guys. Mike Savad http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ Gary Dodge http://www.dodgestudio.com T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 18 22:59:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:24:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Dawn" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:19:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar18.13197.0> Precedence: bulk >>We've discussed before some of the realism in Robert Oddy's pieces and some of his techniques, but I can't find an answer to my question in the archives. In the following close-ups, how did he get the realistic veining on the leaves? Is it paint or flashed glass with top darker color etched away? How do you get such detail in a leaf??? http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_B6.html http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_T1.html Also, are the curly tendrils just wire soldered to the nearest joint? Do you silicon the end of the tendril to the glass so it doesn't get pulled away, snagged, etc. Most of his tendrils run off into a piece of glass, so it can't be soldered into place at the very end. Dawn<< The leaves look to be fired paint to me. The varrigated green is not likely to be a flashed glass. As an aside, I will cut a leaf, cut it in half where the central vein is , overlap the two pieces and relief fuse. Makes for a great leaf with a bit of 3-D. Overlays on lead panels are seen occasionaly. Some are shaped lead came and some are solder covered heavy wire or sheet metal for strength. I doubt that any adheasive is used or necessary. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 02:08:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:37:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: lcbell@memach.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Resizing patterns Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:36:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.83614.0> Precedence: bulk Linda, Your idea of turning the pattern/copies 90 degrees with each enlargement sounds like a great idea!!! Keeping this idea tucked away with my special "tips". Thanks! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 05:42:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:12:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990319070526.006a2130@scci.net> References: <<1999Mar18.6955.0>> Precedence: bulk Dawn, If you send an email to Bob with your questions will you post the answers here? I would love to know them as well. Melissa At 10:19 PM 3/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >Dawn, > >Send an e-mail to Bob directly. He is an incredibly nice man and very generous >with information about how he does his art. > >Hilary > >Dawn wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We've discussed before some of the realism in Robert Oddy's pieces and some >> of his techniques, but I can't find an answer to my question in the >> archives. >> >> In the following close-ups, how did he get the realistic veining on the >> leaves? Is it paint or flashed glass with top darker color etched away? >> How do you get such detail in a leaf??? >> http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_B6.html >> http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_T1.html >> >> Also, are the curly tendrils just wire soldered to the nearest joint? Do >> you silicon the end of the tendril to the glass so it doesn't get pulled >> away, snagged, etc. Most of his tendrils run off into a piece of glass, so >> it can't be soldered into place at the very end. >> >> Dawn >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 06:10:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:19:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'rrk'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Some beginner questions ... Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.13919.0> Precedence: bulk Hi bob, I don't have answers for all your questions but welcome to bungi. Nice to see another Autocad "draughtsman". Opps, showing my age there....maybe we can share some autocad techinques later. All I have used it for so far is 3-d construction and flat geometric panels and frames. Linda Campbell Suffolk VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 06:46:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:45:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: AWOL Patrick? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:41:41 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.134141.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach Kaye: >Maybe too much celebrating????? (Pirouettes can be dangerous if >under the influence!) Especially when you dress the way he does! Do watch your step, Patrick - Toby doesn't care much for gnomon-burger with frit garnish (hmmmmmm...... would that make it "frittata"? or is that "frittutu"?)! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 07:16:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:45:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:41:43 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.134143.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/18/99 5:47:14 PM, dawnm@fidnet.com wrote: >In the following close-ups, how did he get the realistic veining on the >leaves? Is it paint or flashed glass with top darker color etched away? >How do you get such detail in a leaf??? He does a lot of it with plating (multiple layers of pieced glass like Tiffany et al. used to get those marvelous depth effects in their windows). Check out the "flapping wings" effect in his flying owl panel! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 07:23:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:23:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flashed Glass? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:29:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199903191322.IAA12094@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Being new to stained glass, We're not familiar with flashed glass. > Will = someone please explain what it is and how it's used? Flashed glass is a two-layer item. A base glass (usually clear) has a thin layer of intense color on one side, applied during the manufacturing process at high temperatures. Sometimes this process is used to save money (a solid sheet of intense red would be so dark as to be seen as black, for instance, but as a thin layer on clear glass it reads as intense red), sometimes the intention is to provide a surface that can be etched, carved, etc., opening the color layer to the clear glass below and providing the opportunity for high-contrast designs. I believe that flashed glass is always full antique, meaning it's hand-blown. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 07:45:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:38:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: sreckner@wauknet.com (Steve Reckner), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flashed Glass? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:31:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.1317.0> Precedence: bulk >Being new to stained glass, We're not familiar with flashed glass. Will = >someone please explain what it is and how it's used? Flashed is two sided.... in black/white it has a white side and a black side ... mainly used in sandetching work... ie if you have a logo and you want to have it in black within a white border, you would place the sandetching/blasting pattern on the white side and cover all the areas you did not want exposed and blast till you got the black logo to show. Comes in differnt colors, b/w, red/clear (I have some of this), blue/clear... Great for doing lettering.... no cuts involved. Hope that answers your question. > >Thanks! > >Steve and Susan Reckner > >------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE7185.B6F5BE60 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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Being new to stained glass, We're not familiar with = >flashed=20 >glass. Will someone please explain what it is and how it's = >used?
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> >------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE7185.B6F5BE60-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Paula Nelson pjnelson@glassdogstudio.com http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 07:53:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:43:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Some beginner questions ... Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:42:07 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.13427.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/19/99 1:44:01 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Lest we forget to mention...these wonderful fellow Bungians websites. [...] Ever notice that "Mike's Stained Glass" seems to be on almost everyone's glass links page? You're world-famous, guy! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 08:01:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:06:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!Email127997 From: To: glass@bungi.com Subject: CASH IN ON PROVEN BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES   292557 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:30:24 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk CALL INS WELCOME -- EACH CALL-IN WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY ENTERED INTO VACATION GET-AWAY ROUND TRIP FOR 2 TO MEXICO CASH IN ON THE HOTTEST BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY TO HIT THE MARKET THIS YEAR. EARN UP TO $ 100,000 IN YOUR SPARE TIME! 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To have your address removed please click me ==================================================== Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress this letter can not be considered spam as long as we include: Contact information & a Remove Link ==================================================== ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 08:16:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:44:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: URLS - Arkie Pisello and Ichiro Tashiro - URLS Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:42:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.13429.0> Precedence: bulk A half dozen people have asked me for these again, so here they are for all to enjoy: Animal Sculptures and Stained Glass lamps by Arkie Pisello, Sr....... all kinds of 3-D stuff including a king cobra lamp, a scarlet macaw, and the Statue of Liberty: http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ Stained Glass of Ichiro Tashiro: Lots of lamps, folding screens, etc., beautiful Japanese natural stuff, "glass house" terrariums: http://www.tcp- ip.or.jp/~itashiro/index.html Have fun! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 09:06:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:01:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: lamp kits Date: Fri Mar 19 07:00:05 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.4385.0> Precedence: bulk we had a thread going a little while ago about the pre-cut and pre-foiled lamp kits. at one time someone said they were from spectrum...they are put out by diamond tech...hope i am not duplicating information (diamond tech is also delphi stained glass supplies) thanx debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source Taurus II Ring Saw $399.00 plus shipping 1-888-488-9616 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 09:27:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:10:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Patrick? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:04:01 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.1541.0> Precedence: bulk Hey, I saw Patrick in person Tuesday evening and he was alive and well then. As of about 7:30pm Tuesday evening........there was no Toby in site. Great meeting you in person, Patrick. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 09:36:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:29:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: AWOL Patrick? (NG) Date: Fri Mar 19 07:27:39 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.5539.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE721B.3C7D9860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is it just me or does it seem that all the ladies are wondering what happened to Patrick? Maybe I should start wearing stained glass tutus. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:42 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: AWOL Patrick? Also sprach Kaye: >Maybe too much celebrating????? (Pirouettes can be dangerous if >under the influence!) Especially when you dress the way he does! Do watch your step, Patrick - Toby doesn't care much for gnomon-burger with frit garnish (hmmmmmm...... would that make it "frittata"? or is that "frittutu"?)! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE721B.3C7D9860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: AWOL Patrick? (NG)

Is it just me or does it seem that all the ladies are wondering what happened to Patrick?

Maybe I should start wearing stained glass tutus.

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:42 AM
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Also sprach Kaye:

>Maybe too much celebrating?????  (Pirouettes can be dangerous if
>under the influence!)

Especially when you dress the way he does! Do watch your step, Patrick - Toby
doesn't care much for gnomon-burger with frit garnish (hmmmmmm...... would
that make it "frittata"? or is that "frittutu"?)!


Sparks
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE721B.3C7D9860-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 09:58:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:00:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!glassmistress From: "Melissa Hall" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: West Virginia Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:58:32 PST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.155832.0> Precedence: bulk There is a glass company called Blenko between Charleston and Huntington that might be worth visiting. I have personally not been there, but have always meant to. Here's their web address: http://www.blenkoglass.com/ Once you've gotten to Charleston, it's probably about another 30 minutes to Milton - I think on I 64. If you really do need directions email me back and I can get more precise ones. Melissa Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 10:13:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:48:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Flashed Glass? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:44:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.5445.0> References: <<199903191322.IAA12094@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Albert: Having used Desag's 700 (flashed white) and 800 (flashed black), both Hollander Glass numbers, I would have to say that these two flashed glasses are not hand blown. The consistency and thickness it much to uniform for hand blown. I would have to say that this glass is machine rolled. The white comes in thickness' from 3-6 MM. Regards, Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio http://bigcreek.cjb.net To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 10:16:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:00:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flashed Glass? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:07:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199903191659.LAA16001@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Having used Desag's 700 (flashed white) and 800 (flashed black), > both Hollander Glass numbers, I would have to say that these two > flashed glasses are not hand blown. Thanks, Wayne. I'm never surprised to learn that I don't know everything. I'm also not surprised to hear that DESAG can do that, talented bunch that they are. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 10:23:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:43:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Bob E Duchesneau" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:48:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.44826.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, couldn't he have sandblast etched the veins on the leaf glass? It would make the veins a lighter green,,,,,,, Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Bob E Duchesneau To: Bungi ; Dawn Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 1:05 AM Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail >>>We've discussed before some of the realism in Robert Oddy's >pieces and some >of his techniques, but I can't find an answer to my question in >the >archives. > >In the following close-ups, how did he get the realistic veining >on the >leaves? Is it paint or flashed glass with top darker color >etched away? >How do you get such detail in a leaf??? >http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_B6.html >http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_T1.html > >Also, are the curly tendrils just wire soldered to the nearest >joint? Do >you silicon the end of the tendril to the glass so it doesn't get >pulled >away, snagged, etc. Most of his tendrils run off into a piece of >glass, so >it can't be soldered into place at the very end. > >Dawn<< > >The leaves look to be fired paint to me. The varrigated green is >not likely to be a flashed glass. As an aside, I will cut a leaf, >cut it in half where the central vein is , overlap the two pieces >and relief fuse. Makes for a great leaf with a bit of 3-D. > >Overlays on lead panels are seen occasionaly. Some are shaped >lead came and some are solder covered heavy wire or sheet metal >for strength. I doubt that any adheasive is used or necessary. >Bob > >Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 >Think glass: have class. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 10:33:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:03:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_CASH_IN_ON_PROVEN_BUSINESS_OPPORTUNITIES______________?= Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:08:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.5848.0> Precedence: bulk Are any of you guys getting some of this stuff sent to you???? Yesterday I had an advertisment for a physic to do a reading for me...... This junk's not related to what I want to see on bungi... Can it be blocked out??? Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Email127997@hotmail.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 10:14 AM Subject: CASH IN ON PROVEN BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES 292557 >CALL INS WELCOME -- EACH CALL-IN WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY >ENTERED INTO VACATION GET-AWAY ROUND TRIP FOR 2 TO MEXICO > >CASH IN ON THE HOTTEST BUSINESS >OPPORTUNITY TO HIT THE MARKET THIS YEAR. > >EARN UP TO $ 100,000 IN YOUR SPARE TIME! > >PHOTO STICKER MANIA IS TAKING THE MARKET BY STORM. > >* Established 2 Billion Dollar Industry > >* Proven Money Maker > >* Part Time or Full Time > >* All Cash Business > >* No Selling Required > >* No Experience Necessary > >* On Going Support. When you make money we make money! > >We are a real growth company with over 1,700 machines in revenue >generating >locations to date! > >For More Information and a Free Video. > >4-now@USA.NET Click Here > >CALL INS WELCOME -- EACH CALL-IN WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY >ENTERED INTO VACATION GET-AWAY ROUND TRIP FOR 2 TO MEXICO > > >CALL TODAY 1-888-386-4290 reference code V311 when you call! > > >To have your address removed please >click me > > > > > >==================================================== >Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress >this letter can not be considered spam as long as we include: >Contact information & a Remove Link >==================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 10:50:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:46:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Melissa Hall" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:53:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.45346.0> Precedence: bulk Dawn, Please do, his work is awesome. And I too would love to know any hints he could tell us. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail >Dawn, > If you send an email to Bob with your questions will you post the answers >here? I would love to know them as well. > >Melissa > >At 10:19 PM 3/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Dawn, >> >>Send an e-mail to Bob directly. He is an incredibly nice man and very >generous >>with information about how he does his art. >> >>Hilary >> >>Dawn wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We've discussed before some of the realism in Robert Oddy's pieces and some >>> of his techniques, but I can't find an answer to my question in the >>> archives. >>> >>> In the following close-ups, how did he get the realistic veining on the >>> leaves? Is it paint or flashed glass with top darker color etched away? >>> How do you get such detail in a leaf??? >>> http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_B6.html >>> http://www.servtech.com/~rnoddy/ZFloral2_T1.html >>> >>> Also, are the curly tendrils just wire soldered to the nearest joint? Do >>> you silicon the end of the tendril to the glass so it doesn't get pulled >>> away, snagged, etc. Most of his tendrils run off into a piece of glass, so >>> it can't be soldered into place at the very end. >>> >>> Dawn >>> >>> ---- >>> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 14:25:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:23:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Jak N Wolfy" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:21:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.2214.0> Precedence: bulk >>Bob, couldn't he have sandblast etched the veins on the leaf glass? It would make the veins a lighter green,,,,,,,<< Yes and that is a good technique to use for this type if work. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 14:52:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:24:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lamp kits Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:25:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1999Mar20.4385.0>> Precedence: bulk I've seen references to Delphi several times lately. I did a web search and could not find a page for them. Are they retail or wholesale? If retail, do any of you have a web address or number you would send me so I can order a catalog. Thanks, >out by diamond tech...hope i am not duplicating information (diamond tech is >also delphi stained glass supplies) >thanx >debbie taylor >kleeman@one.net >http://www.taylordexpressions.com >your complete stained glass supply source >Taurus II Ring Saw $399.00 plus shipping >1-888-488-9616 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 15:03:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:21:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" , "Wayne Parks" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Flashed Glass? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.91156.0> Precedence: bulk Desag is owned by Shultz Glass. About six months ago or so they stopped making hand-blown glass. Shut down the studio completely. So the Desag before was all hand-blown . Lamberts built a new studio and hired all the Desag guys and are going to reproduce the hand-blown again. All those great colors......I can't wait. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Parks To: Albert Lewis Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Flashed Glass? >Albert: >Having used Desag's 700 (flashed white) and 800 (flashed black), both >Hollander Glass numbers, I would have to say that these two flashed >glasses are not hand blown. The consistency and thickness it much to >uniform for hand blown. I would have to say that this glass is machine >rolled. The white comes in thickness' from 3-6 MM. >Regards, > >Wayne Parks >Big Creek Studio >http://bigcreek.cjb.net > >To bring the dead to life >Is no great magic. >Few are wholly dead: >Blow on a dead mans embers >And a live flame will start. > Robert Graves >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 15:22:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:23:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Melissa Hall'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: West Virginia Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.82828.0> Precedence: bulk I went to Blenko a year ago. Read my review at: http://www.igga.org/cgg16f.htm Be sure to stop by Gibson Glass as well. And there are several other glass makers in the area. I'm about to make another trip - I hear that cowboy hat calling me. Linda Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Hall [SMTP:glassmistress@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 10:59 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: West Virginia There is a glass company called Blenko between Charleston and Huntington that might be worth visiting. I have personally not been there, but have always meant to. Here's their web address: http://www.blenkoglass.com/ Once you've gotten to Charleston, it's probably about another 30 minutes to Milton - I think on I 64. If you really do need directions email me back and I can get more precise ones. Melissa Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 15:31:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:56:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: NG CASH IN ON PROVEN BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES Date: Fri Mar 19 10:54:48 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.83248.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7238.05674D86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got both of them. If you look at the bottom of this one there is a to have your address removed... I sent a request to him to remove me and bungi from the list. Maybe he needs to get 650 requests to remove bungi. Lurkers please note: this will not change your lurker status or let Patrick know you haven't sent a bio yet. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Jak N Wolfy [mailto:rjlcon@ticnet.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 12:09 PM To: Email127997@hotmail.com Subject: Re: CASH IN ON PROVEN BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES Are any of you guys getting some of this stuff sent to you???? Yesterday I had an advertisment for a physic to do a reading for me...... This junk's not related to what I want to see on bungi... Can it be blocked out??? Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Email127997@hotmail.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 10:14 AM Subject: CASH IN ON PROVEN BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES 292557 >CALL INS WELCOME -- EACH CALL-IN WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY >ENTERED INTO VACATION GET-AWAY ROUND TRIP FOR 2 TO MEXICO > >CASH IN ON THE HOTTEST BUSINESS >OPPORTUNITY TO HIT THE MARKET THIS YEAR. > >EARN UP TO $ 100,000 IN YOUR SPARE TIME! > >PHOTO STICKER MANIA IS TAKING THE MARKET BY STORM. > >* Established 2 Billion Dollar Industry > >* Proven Money Maker > >* Part Time or Full Time > >* All Cash Business > >* No Selling Required > >* No Experience Necessary > >* On Going Support. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7238.05674D86-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 15:35:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:23:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Jak N Wolfy" Subject: Re: CASH IN (and other spam): Delete Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:39:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199903191932.OAA17997@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > me...... This junk's not related to what I want to see on bungi... > Can it be blocked out??? Not really. Not any more than you can keep junk mail from being delivered to you at home or in the office. You already know to just round-file that stuff. Online all you do is delete it. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 15:51:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:05:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:05:26 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.20526.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/18/99 2:27:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, dayle@cyberbeach.net writes: << www.stainedglasslamps.com >> OK.... How does he do it? Do you think he creates the form in clay, plaster? He must have to do it in sections. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 16:19:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:07:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Technique for leaf detail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:06:31 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.21631.0> Precedence: bulk If you would like to speak with Bob Oddy, I believe he will be at W-C's Glass Visions this August. He will happily share his techniques with you and there are usually sample prints of a few of his panels. This is how it was at W-C last year as well as the year before. FYI Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 16:32:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:44:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: junk mail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.15470.0> Precedence: bulk Jackie - I got the psychic and the business opportunities also. What's up? Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 16:41:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:03:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: Melissa Hall , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: West Virginia Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:46:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.94615.0> Precedence: bulk >There is a glass company called Blenko between Charleston and Huntington >that might be worth visiting. It's outside Milton... and it's more than worth it! I remember going there as a youngling... Also close to one of the last covered bridges. . Both sets of grandparents were from Huntington. Paula Nelson pjnelson@glassdogstudio.com http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 17:05:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:01:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Right consistency of cement Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:57:10 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar19.225710.0> Precedence: bulk What's the right consistency of cement for leaded panels. Seems like it's either too dry or too runny. Should it be about the same consistency of p-nut butter? Should it be like plumbers putty that you can roll between your hands? Your experience and advice is welcome. Any tips or techniques for forcing it between the lead came and glass? Thanks. Classydad@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 17:14:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:37:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Romajoco@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Patrick? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:38:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.113835.0> References: <<1999Mar19.1541.0>> Precedence: bulk I wanna hear all about the Tutu, Margie! :o) T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 17:33:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:55:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Same here... Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:55:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.135526.0> Precedence: bulk I ALSO RECEIVED SAME PLUS MORE GARBAGE! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 18:19:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:31:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "The Barker Family" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: patio stepping-stones Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:26:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.122645.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE7236.0B124620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again, everyone. I have a stepping-stone question. Or two. Or three. And I thought = that perhaps someone out there knows the answers and wouldn't mind = steering me in the right direction. Being out in the middle of nowhere, = I'm stumbling along in the self-taught mode. And I need to make 3 = stepping-stones in the next couple of weeks. *sigh* I made a few smaller stones last summer, with a layer of diamond crete = and a layer of reinforced pre-mixed cement. The cement wasn't too good, = and the edges crumbled. Is mortar a better choice? Or is there a = better way to mix or blend it? And if I were to make it completely of = diamond crete, how thick does the stone have to be? It seems an awfully = expensive road to go, using just this, but it does make smooth, hard = stones! Thanks for any help you can give me! Sincerely, Dawn Barker ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE7236.0B124620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello again, everyone.
 
I have a stepping-stone = question.  Or=20 two.  Or three.  And I thought that perhaps someone out there = knows=20 the answers and wouldn't mind steering me in the right direction.  = Being=20 out in the middle of nowhere, I'm stumbling along in the self-taught = mode. =20 And I need to make 3 stepping-stones in the next couple of weeks.=20 *sigh*
 
I made a few smaller stones last = summer, with a=20 layer of diamond crete and a layer of reinforced pre-mixed cement.  = The=20 cement wasn't too good, and the edges crumbled.  Is mortar a better = choice?  Or is there a better way to mix or blend it?  And if = I were=20 to make it completely of diamond crete, how thick does the stone have to = be?  It seems an awfully expensive road to go, using just this, but = it does=20 make smooth, hard stones!
 
Thanks for any help you can give=20 me!
 
Sincerely,
 
Dawn = Barker
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE7236.0B124620-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 19:20:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Classydad@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Right consistency of cement Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.153230.0> Precedence: bulk It should be the consistency of "treacle".... or molasses.... or oil sludge.... well, you get the general idea. It's quite runny, pourable, b= ut it still has a bit of body when it's lying on the panel. I'm hoping to g= et an article on cementing into the next edition of Common Ground:GLASS just= in case you're interested in getting a copy. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 19:32:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:35:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tami Siddens" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: junk mail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.153222.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tami Siddens" >I got the psychic and the business opportunities also.< If they're so psychic, how come they didn't sense we didn't want their mail???? Best, Dani (who can spot a fraud just like that!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 19:37:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:41:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Break lines for larger bevel clusters Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:42:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.15422.0> Precedence: bulk I have a 10 x 28 (aprox.) bevel cluster and I have it laid out and cannot see where I should put the break lines for the background glass. I just don't see any thing other than following the bevel line out in a semi-arch to the end of the panel. It is for a transom 20 by 50. I don't have any pre conceived notion of how I want to do it, I have worked with bevels, smaller ones where it is apparent where I should put break lines. Any suggestions, point me in the right direction. Thanks!! Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 19:47:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:21:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: AWOL Patrick? (NG) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:22:04 -0500 Message-ID: <199903200118.UAA04282@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/19/99 6:33 PM daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano > >Is it just me or does it seem that all the ladies are wondering what >happened to Patrick? > >Maybe I should start wearing stained glass tutus. > Awww, Vic, are you jealous of our Patrick? I can guarantee, if you start wearing a stained glass tutu, I will wonder about you too!!! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 19:52:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:03:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wauknet.com!sreckner From: sreckner@wauknet.com (Steve Reckner) To: Subject: Re: lamp kits Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:01:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.14135.0> Precedence: bulk The URL for Delphi is www.delphiglass.com. (Hope I've taken care of the MIME problem as Carol suggested.) Steve Reckner -----Original Message----- From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 5:30 PM Subject: Re: lamp kits > >I've seen references to Delphi several times lately. I did a web search and >could not find a page for them. Are they retail or wholesale? If retail, do >any of you have a web address or number you would send me so I can order a >catalog. >Thanks, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 20:05:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:06:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lamp kits Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:33:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.143337.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Elleni Drafts wrote: > I've seen references to Delphi several times lately. I did a web search and > could not find a page for them. Are they retail or wholesale? If retail, do > any of you have a web address or number you would send me so I can order a > catalog. > Thanks, > > > > Delphi's online catalogue is at http://www.delphiglass.com/contents.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 20:12:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:07:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:JJKIRBY@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:33:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.143312.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:JJKIRBY@aol.com > OK.... How does he do it? Do you think he creates the form in clay, plaster? He must have to do it= in sections. ----< We think he does a reverse mold, builds in sections, and then solders the sections together. Half the battle is knowing the techniques..... Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 20:22:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:07:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: TV glass! Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:05:29 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar20.2529.0> Precedence: bulk Yesterday I caught some of This Old House, and they had refurbished a big old house, as I tuned it in, they were showing a leaded glass window, discussed it and showed the creator of the panel (Bob Anderson?) talking discussing it. It was good to see this on national TV....and congrats to the company that got the air time! Maureen hah, just dawned on me....how GREAT an impression it made that I can't remember the guys name or his company...duh! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 20:50:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:38:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: The Barker Family Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: patio stepping-stones Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:39:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.153923.0> References: <<1999Mar19.122645.0>> Precedence: bulk > Hello again, everyone. > > I have a stepping-stone question. Or two. Or three. And I thought = > that perhaps someone out there knows the answers and wouldn't mind = > steering me in the right direction. Being out in the middle of nowhere, = > I'm stumbling along in the self-taught mode. And I need to make 3 = > stepping-stones in the next couple of weeks. *sigh* > > I made a few smaller stones last summer, with a layer of diamond crete = > and a layer of reinforced pre-mixed cement. The cement wasn't too good, = > and the edges crumbled. Well... Mixing diamoncrete with concrete is not compatable...as diamoncrete has admixtures to speed curing. I have pasted my way for you to read. I learned concrete from a decorative concrete guy....I still havent figured out what to call him except for his name..Greg Foltz. I want to add one thing.... dont pound the table ...tap it. I am convinced that pounding is what causes the glass to float. When I am more gentle with it, I get really good results. Happy stoning :o) Tulsa Suzanne Garden/Stepping Stones Be sure to have all of the following sg hammer, one side is rubber, and one side plastic (dont know what it is called) face mask or respirator rubber gloves, that go up your arm large bucket plenty of water, you will probably use more than you expected to... White portland cement fine light colored sand--be sure it is very clean sand industrial blast sand--be sure it is very clean sand stealth fiber mold release (I use 880, available from concrete supply) transparent contact paper paper and pencil Preparing the glass I Use any stained glass pattern. I cut the pattern out with my copper foil shears. Lead shears would probably be better, but I dont have them. I do grind all my glass. You dont have to have huge gaps, but you dont want your glass butt up against each other. Lay your glass out on your cartoon, cut your contact paper about an inch bigger than your glass all the way around. Peel off the paper, turn your sticky side toward your glass and fold the non sticky side up toward you. Center the contact paper over your glass and gently lay the center on the glass and slowly lower it onto the glass both sides at the same time. Then starting in the middle rub the contact paper onto the glass smoothing out any air bubbles as you smooth, then burnish it well. Be careful not to cut your contact paper on edges of glass. Then turn your glass over, and cut the contact paper as close to the edge of the glass as possible, I use a razor blade. Prepare your mold with mold release. Doesnt take much at all. I use a piece of terry cloth to apply it. Storing your cement I bought a big rubbermaid tub with a fitted lid for storing my cement. That is really a good idea, as it will absorb alot more moisture if left in the bag, then it will get lumpy and won't mix well. I suggest you start by looking in the yellow pages and trying to find a decorative concrete company. If you cant find one by looking in the phone book call construction contractors for a recommendation of a decorative concrete guy. The reason I say that ...is it may be alot easier to buy sand, fiber and release from him, as he buys in huge quantities. It is really hard to find the right stuff from home depot, lowes etc..... I havent found it elsewhere. I ran out of sand before my show and my concrete guy was on his honeymoon. The sand from home depot was awful. I buy my portland white cement from a concrete supplier here in Tulsa. The home repair stores dont carry it because it is expensive compared to gray, so nobody buys it. The quality of your sand will make a huge difference in the texture of your stones. Every concrete guy I have talked to on the phone was very nice and more than willing to talk to me or give me advice. I dont think they are used to people being interested in what they do or how they do it, and you arent their competition. I understand they are *very* competitive amonst themselves. I measure my cement and sand with measuring cups, and mix with my hands in the bucket. I dig my hand to the bottom and mix mix mix. I put it in the molds with my hands, and smooth etc with my hands. I bought a trowel, and used it once, tossed it down, went back to my hands and havent used it since. The correct mix is 3 parts sand to 1 part cement. You add water to the consistancy you prefer to work with. I use a pretty thin pour compared to other stained glass people, again this was the recommendation of the concrete guy. I have also found I like the my stones better this way, as I have mixed a little thicker as well. Most sg people say the topping mix should be like frosting...I go thinner. I can scoop it up with my hands hands...but it will not hold its' shape. Think melting icecream easy to stir. I mix the concrete a little thicker but not that much. The only difference between my topping mix and my concrete is the sand. I use only fine sand in the topping mix, then half fine, half blast for the concrete. There is no way you could form it into a ball. (most sg people tell you to do that) Mix your sand and cement together dry, until you feel like each grain of sand has cement on it. A concrete book I have says to think of your cement as glue and that your sand is what you are gluing together. You cannot over mix concrete. Also, concrete people cure slowly. The slower you cure your concrete the stronger it will become. The temperature is important when you are making stones. It should ideally be at least 60 degrees. If the temperature drops to 40 degrees or below curing stops. It will also mix easier if the cement and sand is warm. I unmold my stones after about 12 hours, and clean the top/glass. I use a straight edge razor blade. I have never scratched the glass this way. If you have little air holes you can mix up a little topping mix and rub the top of the stone. Then just wipe it off. I very rarely make only one stone at a time, so I unmold one at a time, clean it up, then start on the next one, once they are all cleaned up, then if there are any little air bubbles I want to work on I either do it then or anytime after that. Clean up your stone immediately after unmolding, if you wait until it is dry, you wont be able to clean up your glass. It gets stronger every minute the air is touching it. Professional concrete people have fogging rooms to keep the cement damp. They say that the longer it is wet the stronger. My concrete guy suggested that I soak my stones completely submerged for 24 hours the day after I take them out of the molds. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont...depends on if I have time or space. I do squirt them down regularly with water from a squirt bottle for at least a day or two. Concrete will continue to strengthen for up to 50 years, I am told. They wont be cured enough for our purposes for at least 30 days. The strength of the stone will be obvious to you...when you have a stone a month old or older and a freshly made green stone. Be gentle with your new stones. Set them down gently, or you could chip off edges (even though it is on the back) and will look sloppy if you intend to sell them. I dont baby them taking them out of the molds, however. You can turn the mold upside down and hold it 3-4 inches over your table and drop it. That usually pops it right out. You can hold it upside down on your table, one edge of the mold on the table while holding the other edge, then press in the center with your other hand. (sort of like an ice cube tray) As far as the amount of fiber to use... Go for about 2 tbsp at first, mix it with your dry sand and cement. When your stone is out of the mold, and you look across the backside of the concrete, the side that will go to the ground you should see some hairs sticking up..if you dont, add more next time. topping mix 3 parts *all* fine sand 1 part cement stealth fiber concrete 3 parts sand (I mix this 1/2 fine and 1/2 blast) 1 part concrete stealth fiber If I need 8 pounds of concrete, I mix 6 (3 fine + 3 blast) cups sand with 2 cups cement. Think of the cement as glue, and the sand as what you are gluing together. Mix well to the point that you are confident that every grain of sand is coated in cement, then start adding water. I use a big bucket that bird seed comes in. And have plently of water ready to pour in as needed. I add a little at a time to get the consistancy I want. Experiment with the consistancy. I got excellent results by my 2nd pour. The biggest problems I had, was I didnt trim my contact paper close enough to my glass at first. I use a straight edge razor, and trim the contact paper as close to the glass as possible. For an 8x4 inch paver you need 2 cups topping mix 3 cups concrete for a 14" round 7 cups topping mix 14 cups concrete for an 8x8 square 3 cups topping 6-7 cups concrete For a 16 inch Hex stone you will need 9 cups of topping mix 19 cups concrete Stained glass people say that the dryer your mix the stronger your stone. That is the opposite of the advice I have gotten when reading about concrete and from talking to my concrete guy. I decided to take his advice, mainly because he has been doing this for a long time, and concrete is his entire business. I figure he knows more about it. I think I have covered all the basics here. If you have any questions or think of something I left out...email me. If you'd like a sample of the sand I use, let me know. I will give you my snail mail address and if you'll send me a self addressed stamped envelope, I'll be happy to send you samples of both my fine sand and blast sand, and the fiber. It really is easy, and a pretty good work out! ;o) Enjoy. Let me know if you have any questions. Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 21:39:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:18:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG; Patrick O'Tutu Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:17:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.161759.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone..... but please remember I am not a Saint ...... but if you kiss an Irishman it is good luck...... That's my story and I'm sticking to it. If you are going to tell a lie........ tell a biiiiiiigggg lie.. -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:01 AM Subject: Re: NG; Patrick O'Tutu > >In a message dated 3/16/99 7:43:34 PM, toby@northlights.co.uk wrote: > >>Let's join and wish our Patrick O'Tutu a Happy St.Patrick's Day on >>17th March!! > >Happy Saint Paddy's, twinkletoes! Hope you've got your best green tutu and >emerald tiara polished and shining, and a good supply of Guinness (or Harp >Lager if you prefer) on hand to celebrate the occasion! > > >CCW O'Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 21:52:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:24:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Right consistency of cement Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:26:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.182612.0> Precedence: bulk I'll admit that I am a beginner....but..... I was taught that the consistency should be like ‘cake batter’..... I was at the studio the other day and watched a large... front door sized....panel being cemented with this consistency. It is very easy to work with like this and I have had no problems getting it under the came. Take Care, Soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya's Witches' Thicket at.... http://www.cros.net/soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Whatever you are, be a good one. -- Abraham Lincoln ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 21:59:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:53:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG: Patrick is alive and well Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:45:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.164522.0> Precedence: bulk As a famous man once said " My demise is greatly overstated". Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 22:03:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:28:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Steve Reckner" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lamp kits Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:27:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.122713.0> Precedence: bulk >>(Hope I've taken care of the MIME problem as Carol suggested.) Steve Reckner<< Sure did. Post came through clean. Thanks, Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 22:12:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:39:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: "Linda Campbell" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Patrick? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:37:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.163744.0> Precedence: bulk Unfortunately, I am expected to work for a living. As if my goodlooks aren't enough or just showing up for work, you'd think that my would recognize this and pay me anyway. But now I'm back... Look out "Brit Chick". -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: 'glass@bungi.com' Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 11:00 AM Subject: Patrick? >All day yesterday I read messages to Patrick but I have seen not one reply >from him. Does anyone know where he is? Is anyone else getting his >messages? Is it just me. It just seemed odd to not have him respond to all >the St Paddy's hubbub. > > >LInda >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 22:14:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:39:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Linda Jo Letscher" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Break lines for larger bevel clusters Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:37:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.123743.0> Precedence: bulk Several vertical break lines evenly spaced from one in the middle of the panel seem to be in order. Notice that your cluster is 28" long and the transom is 50" wide. Suggest something like a round faceted jewel about 10" in from each end and a break line through the horizontal middle. Send the make and number of the cluster for a more definative recomendation. A 1 1/2" wide bevel border with a same size outer border of clear texture or color would go well on a panel/cluster combo of this size. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: bungi Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:50 PM Subject: Break lines for larger bevel clusters >I have a 10 x 28 (aprox.) bevel cluster and I have it laid out and cannot >see where I should put the break lines for the background glass. I just >don't see any thing other than following the bevel line out in a semi-arch >to the end of the panel. It is for a transom 20 by 50. I don't have any >pre conceived notion of how I want to do it, I have worked with bevels, >smaller ones where it is apparent where I should put break lines. Any >suggestions, point me in the right direction. Thanks!! >Linda Jo > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 22:24:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:06:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Tami Siddens" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: junk mail Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:46:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.164649.0> Precedence: bulk Tami, Don't know but everyone is telling me that it can't be helped unless maybe Glenna can block them out. I tried to respond to the site to take me of the mailing list and it came back saying sorry, no can do. Just something else to chunk in the bucket. But being kind of new to the internet, it kind of worries me what some of that junk could contain. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Tami Siddens To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 6:43 PM Subject: junk mail >Jackie - >I got the psychic and the business opportunities also. What's up? Tami > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 22:30:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:40:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG O's for the day! Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:32:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.163247.0> Precedence: bulk Magic dust for me would be dandruff..... LOL -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 8:54 AM Subject: Re: NG O's for the day! > >In a message dated 3/17/99 7:34:03 PM, ABBIE23875@prodigy.net wrote: > >>Hey O'Sparks, maybe patrick will sprinkle some of his magic dust around so >>we all can be "O's" for the day! Abbie O'Mason in Va > >Magic dust ------- *now* you're talkin'! > > >Sparks (thinking that a big bowl of "Lucky Charms" cereal > would taste really good right now) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 22:34:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:08:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "Elleni Drafts" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lamp kits Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:39:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.163912.0> Precedence: bulk Elleni, They're both. There in Lansing, Michigan. Been there a couple of times. they're web is http://www.delphiglass.com . Check em out. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 5:23 PM Subject: Re: lamp kits > >I've seen references to Delphi several times lately. I did a web search and >could not find a page for them. Are they retail or wholesale? If retail, do >any of you have a web address or number you would send me so I can order a >catalog. >Thanks, > >>out by diamond tech...hope i am not duplicating information (diamond tech is >>also delphi stained glass supplies) >>thanx >>debbie taylor >>kleeman@one.net >>http://www.taylordexpressions.com >>your complete stained glass supply source >>Taurus II Ring Saw $399.00 plus shipping >>1-888-488-9616 >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >Elleni >ellenid@earthlink.net >South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 22:54:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:47:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: AWOL Patrick? (NG) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:50:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.175027.0> References: <<199903200118.UAA04282@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk We wanna see legs, Vic! ;o) I can see you now in your tutu dancing to innagoddadavida.... T Suz suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > 3/19/99 6:33 PM daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano > > > >Is it just me or does it seem that all the ladies are wondering what > >happened to Patrick? > > > >Maybe I should start wearing stained glass tutus. > > > Awww, Vic, are you jealous of our Patrick? > I can guarantee, if you start wearing a stained glass tutu, I will wonder > about you too!!! > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 19 23:52:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:07:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: JJKIRBY@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:04:40 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar20.7440.0> Precedence: bulk I sent him my comments that I found his work to be most enjoyable, and he sent back a thanx, and mentioned that he was working on a book of instruction. Albert..maybe he needs a publisher???? Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 04:31:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:29:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Classydad@aol.com Subject: Re: Right consistency of cement Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:26:10 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.102610.0> References: <<1999Mar19.225710.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1999Mar19.225710.0@?>, Classydad@aol.com writes >What's the right consistency of cement for leaded panels. Seems like it's >either too dry or too runny. Should it be about the same consistency of p-nut >butter? (-: not if you are thinking of crunchy peanut butter! Seriously, it should by like molasses on a cold day, a little thinner than the peanut butter we get in the UK >Should it be like plumbers putty that you can roll between your >hands? Nope, that is far too stiff to brush under the calmes. > >Your experience and advice is welcome. > >Any tips or techniques for forcing it between the lead came and glass? > Use a stiff bristled brush, scrub the whole panel vigorously in all directions, then add whiting, continue scrubbing. When almost all the cement is under the calmes, change to a soft bristled brush (like a shoe polishing one) and rub all over the panel to clean and shine the glass and lead. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 04:48:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:29:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Paula Nelson Subject: Re: Questions, questions, questions -;) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:01:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.11151.0> References: <<1999Mar17.9514.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Paula, I'm coming late to these questions, and I see you have had responses to the flashed glass part of the question. So, I'll confine myself to the question of pricing. (There is of course a lot of information in the archives - these are indexed on the IGGA site up to 1996, so you may find information by going there) In message <1999Mar17.9514.0@?>, Paula Nelson writes >Okay.....questions: > > >2. I went and dug thru the archives yesterday - I would be interested in >knowing just how everyone (that feels like replying) prices their work. >Couldn't really find much on it in the archives.... not recent anyway. >Reason is... I just finished a panel that is 10.75 x 7.5 with 87 >pieces and I'm curious how someone else would price it.... > I have a dual pricing structure. For the panel above, I would use the second. This is to charge a rate per piece. I have determined my rate by keeping records. The records needed are: -Time - record the work times, including breaks for each panel -Size - record the size of the panel -Complexity - record the number of pieces per panel and per area -Amount of glass used - sizes and costs -Amount of foil used - approximate number of rolls and cost -Amount of solder used - number of sticks, etc. & cost -Overheads - rent of premises, electricity, gas, depreciation (annualised) and then divided by time. If you are doing this full time, you have to subtract from the productive hours, the time required to find new business. For a one-person business this is usually half the available time. So if you calculate there are 1440 hours for the business, at least 700 of those hours will be administration and finding new work. The effect of this is to double the overheads and the hourly rate you charge to get the income you want. -Desired income divided by available hours equals hourly rate. These should give you the information to work out costs (materials plus overheads) on an hourly basis. Multiply by the calculated hourly rate. As an example, an 87 piece panel of the size you mention is very complex (at least in area terms - 155 pieces per square foot or about 1650 pieces per square metre!). My records show me to work in flat copper foil at 4 - 5 pieces per hour over the whole piece. Since I am full time, one person business, my hourly rate is 20 pounds UK per hour including average priced materials. This makes the price for your panel at least 348 pounds UK. So, I'm not giving you a price, but an easy way of pricing. This is because I think each person has a sense of their worth and should apply it with the knowledge of the costs that are to be added to the worth (expressed as an hourly rate of income). The key to determining the factual part of the price is keeping records. All the time! Every time! The second way of pricing is the one of estimating a job before you know the exact design is available. This has to be done on the basis of area. But this is another story. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 06:28:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:10:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: soraya@cros.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Right consistency of cement Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:06:54 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar20.13654.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/20/99 12:53:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, soraya@cros.= net writes: > I was taught that the consistency should be like =91cake batter=92..... Funny, I was going to reply and say pancake batter. Did we have the same teacher? I can't imagine wanting it any thicker, it thickens up quite qui= ckly even when you start with a rather liquidy (good word, huh?) mixture. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 07:05:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:31:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Swinger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Some beginner questions ... Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:26:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.212654.0> References: <<1999Mar18.17258.0>> Precedence: bulk Swinger wrote: > > Ichario Tashiro has an interesting technical page on his website that you may > want to peruse. He does most of his work in the copper foil technique and > says the largest panel he's made to date measures 2.6 ft X 5.3 ft. He gives > details on the technical page regarding reinforcement. As long as a copper > foil panel isn't subjected directly to the elements it seems the size can be > quite large. All of his windows are installed against clear glass already > installed it seems. Anyway, check out his website......you might pick up some > interesting tidbits. > > http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~itashiro/index.html Thanks for the tip about Mr. Tashiro's website. He seems particularly generous with technical information as well as photos of his work. So, no practical size limitations with foiled glass for non-structural applications. I'll probably limit myself to a maximum of 36 sq ft per panel anyway ... 6' x 6', or 9' x 4', or whatever, is fairly large anyway and I doubt there will be much call for pieces that large. Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 07:19:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:31:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Some beginner questions ... Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:20:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.212016.0> References: <<01BE71D3.3845F6E0.lcbell@memach.com>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Hi bob, I don't have answers for all your questions but welcome to bungi. > Nice to see another Autocad "draughtsman". Opps, showing my age > there....maybe we can share some autocad techinques later. All I have used > it for so far is 3-d construction and flat geometric panels and frames. Thanks for throwing out the welcome mat, Linda. Since straight lines and well defined curves (circles and ellipses) are so easy, AutoCAD would at first glance be best suited for decorative classic and traditional panels for entryways, cabinet doors, transoms, and so on. As opposed to Art with a capital A which has zero straight lines and/or other mathematically well-defined entities. However, I'm now experimenting with some splines (NURBS, or Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines). So far results are ok though its not like traditional drawing with pen on paper. I designed a waterfall with NURBS (actually mixed NURBS and straight lines) and, aesthetic judgement apart, I'm quite pleased with the results. In a general sense, the advantage with using AutoCAD (or any other CAD program) is re-scaling after creation of the design, and this would apply particularly to work with splines. I tried using multilines for a bit, since this would automatically generate the offset from the centerline. However, since multilines only work for straight lines (polylines or normal lines) and not for curves ... I gave them up fairly rapidly, like after about 20 min of experimentation . The simplest method for creating the gaps seems to be a doing a simple offset on each side of the centerline by one-half of the distance of the gap and then erasing the centerline. This is a bit tedious though. Perhaps I can generate a script to automate this part of the process. Of course to do that I need the correct value for the gap (the unanswered question here) but I guess I'll get by that experimentation with some small pieces (aka trial and error). Guess I'll start with a total gap of 1/16th of an inch (0.06125") for foiled pieces, and if thats too small, go a little larger. Anyway .... this is probably not of interest to the general list so maybe we should take this offline to email. Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 07:31:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:22:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Mosfunland@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: TV glass! Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:40:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.2405.0> References: <<1999Mar20.2529.0>> Precedence: bulk I don't remember his name either, however, I do remember that he was the ONLY stained glass restorer in Boston. Hummm, if it just wasn't Boston....sigh. Hilary Mosfunland@aol.com wrote: > hah, just dawned on me....how GREAT an impression it made that I can't > remember the guys name or his company...duh! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 08:27:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:40:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!KSeeGlass From: KSeeGlass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG-testing new computer Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:32:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar20.14326.0> Precedence: bulk Having alll kinds of conflicts; and I know something about computers. Up since 4am;I feel like I have a hangover. I would have been better off tying one on. : ) Too much stuff pre installed. 1 week w/o my friends at bungi and I'm in withdrawal. K See ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 08:38:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:27:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-630476769-709 Subject: Re: Right consistency of cement Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:25:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar19.232518.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-630476769-709 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I too learned that the cement or putty stuff should be the consistency of cake mix. I was told that the cements should be able to be forced under the lead easily and if a little oozed out on the other side in some areas, then you have the right thickness. Sue --WebTV-Mail-630476769-709 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language together. --WebTV-Mail-630476769-709 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Received: from mailsorter-101-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by postoffice-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:03:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by mailsorter-101-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id WAA28627; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:24:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Right consistency of cement Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:26:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar19.182612.0> Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net id HAA21679 I'll admit that I am a beginner....but..... I was taught that the consistency should be like =91cake batter=92..... I was at the studio the other day and watched a large... front door sized....panel being cemented with this consistency. It is very easy to work with like this and I have had no problems getting it under the came. Take Care, Soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya's Witches' Thicket at.... http://www.cros.net/soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Whatever you are, be a good one. -- Abraham Lincoln ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-630476769-709-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 08:58:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:33:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!KSeeGlass From: KSeeGlass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: still testing Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:29:18 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar20.152918.0> Precedence: bulk I'm not receiving mail like I was before.. any help out there? K See ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 09:15:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:58:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: TV glass! Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:00:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.6053.0> Precedence: bulk ->I don't remember his name either, however, I do remember that he was the ONLY >stained glass restorer in Boston. Hummm, if it just wasn't Boston....sigh. I was watching the same show....it was Boston and the name on the back of their shirts said "Anderson". But not with the same logo or font used by the Window manufacturer of the same name. While I don't really know the answer to your question...hope this info helps!! Take Care, Soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya's Witches' Thicket at.... http://www.cros.net/soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Whatever you are, be a good one. -- Abraham Lincoln ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 09:33:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:18:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: junk mail Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:07:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.072.0> Precedence: bulk A lot of times, if you respond to the email, even to a "remove me address" you have just verified to them that this is a working email address. Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 -----Original Message----- From: Jak N Wolfy To: Tami Siddens Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 10:32 PM Subject: Re: junk mail |Tami, | |Don't know but everyone is telling me that it can't be helped unless maybe |Glenna can block them out. I tried to respond to the site to take me of the |mailing list and it came back saying sorry, no can do. Just something else |to chunk in the bucket. But being kind of new to the internet, it kind of |worries me what some of that junk could contain. | |Jackie |-----Original Message----- |From: Tami Siddens |To: glass@bungi.com |Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 6:43 PM |Subject: junk mail | | |>Jackie - |>I got the psychic and the business opportunities also. What's up? Tami |> |>---- |>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass |> | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 10:30:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:21:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp2.reidgroup.com!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: nGlass and metallic glasses Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:11:53 -0500 Message-ID: <199903201711.MAA07382@ppp2.reidgroup.com> Precedence: bulk I apologize to those that have tried to reach the site. The computer in which it runs has been having some problems. They have been solved and I expect everything to go smoothly from. In order to entice you, I wrote a review to an article on "Metallic glasses". The address? http://aries27.uwaterloo.ca/nglass/index.html The Economist has a interesting article in its March 13-19 issue. Unfortunately the Web site requires payment, so try to get it from a friend. The article is entitled "Through a metal, darkly". It talks about a two new innovative processes. The first is the creation of glass-like metals. The technique is known as "mesoporous" metals. They are composed of "an orderly structure of tiny pores, just a few tens of nanometres (thousand-millionths of a metre) across."... check the rest there. -- Daniel M. German "No one can be a great thinker who does not recognize, that as a thinker it is his first duty to follow his intellect to whatever John Stuart Mill -> conclusions it may lead." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 10:58:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:04:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG: more music to do glass by Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:00:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990320100052.0092f3b0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk During last month's thread on music and glass, no one mentioned Shania Twain. I got her "Come On Over" CD yesterday. This isn't "my man just left me and the Chevy's out of gas" country. If she doesn't get your tutus and gnomons spinning around the room, I don't know what will. I guess it's really music *not* to do glass by. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 11:46:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:36:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Soraya" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Right consistency of cement Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:35:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.83514.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Soraya" >=91cake batter=92..< That's a good one, too.... though it depends on the cake. Pancake batter might be an apt description.... it has to be runny. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 11:58:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:39:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Soraya" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: TV glass! Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:37:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.2372.0> Precedence: bulk >>->I don't remember his name either, however, I do remember that he was the ONLY stained glass restorer in Boston. << I'll bet that is a matter of opinion. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 12:11:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:30:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "rrk" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Some beginner questions ... Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:26:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.2263.0> Precedence: bulk >>So, no practical size limitations with foiled glass for non-structural applications. I'll probably limit myself to a maximum of 36 sq ft per panel anyway ... 6' x 6', or 9' x 4', or whatever, is fairly large anyway and I doubt there will be much call for pieces that large. Regards ..... Bob<< I suggest you will revise your sizes downward as you gain experience. Making panels as large as stated above presents problems with reaching to the middle to assemble, problems with turning to solder and problems with transport. Also special bracing will be necessary to prevent bowing. A panel of about twelve square feet with no dimension exceeding eight feet is enough of a problem. Dividing large windows into managable units is the way to go. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 12:28:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:21:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: junk mail Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:16:21 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar20.191621.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/20/99 12:35:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, computerministry@unitytustin.org writes: << A lot of times, if you respond to the email, even to a "remove me address" you have just verified to them that this is a working email address. Sincerely, Bud Britt >> This is very true and they just keep sending you spam. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 13:27:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:37:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Right consistency of cement Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:25:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.102556.0> Precedence: bulk Honey.......its honey.........honest its honey!!!! Not cake.....not pancake..... but honey!!! my best, pj (who knows of people who mix their pancakes really runny) To: Soraya Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Right consistency of cement >Message text written by "Soraya" >>=91cake batter=92..< > >That's a good one, too.... though it depends on the cake. Pancake >batter might be an apt description.... it has to be runny. > >Best, > >Dani Greer >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 15:46:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:03:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: more music to do glass by Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:38:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.63846.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990320100052.0092f3b0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Steve Wernecke wrote: > > During last month's thread on music and glass, no one mentioned Shania > Twain. I got her "Come On Over" CD yesterday. This isn't "my man just > left me and the Chevy's out of gas" country. If she doesn't get your tutus > and gnomons spinning around the room, I don't know what will. I guess it's > really music *not* to do glass by. > > Steve > ---- >..oh I thought I mentioned Shania.....I love that new CD...got it for my husband as a present but its really "the present you get to enjoy too" I think I play it more htan he does...good to excercise too..not sure about glass though...... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 16:45:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:29:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netphase.net!deskins From: Lou Deskins To: bungi glass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Next_Part_3004799310_1018250_MS_Mac_IMN" Subject: scratches Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:28:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199903202327.SAA11772@www.netphase.net> Precedence: bulk > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Next_Part_3004799310_1018250_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just finish a small suncatcher... only to discover when I polished it - that it has a scratch in the glass.... bummer. It almost looks like a "score mark" but - on looking at the sheet it was cut from - I found a couple more scratches... is there a polish I can use to get the scratch out?? and is it worth the effort... the piece is only worth about $25.00. Lou in WV --Next_Part_3004799310_1018250_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit scratches I just finish a small suncatcher... only to discover when I polished it - that it has a scratch in the glass.... bummer. It almost looks like a "score mark" but - on looking at the sheet it was cut from - I found a couple more scratches... is there a polish I can use to get the scratch out?? and is it worth the effort... the piece is only worth about $25.00.
Lou in WV

--Next_Part_3004799310_1018250_MS_Mac_IMN-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 18:58:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:31:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wauknet.com!sreckner From: sreckner@wauknet.com (Steve Reckner) To: Subject: Re: more music to do glass by Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:30:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.133020.0> Precedence: bulk Shania Twain... you guys mean she sings, too? Hmmmm, I never noticed. Musta been distracted! ;^) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 1:11 PM Subject: NG: more music to do glass by >During last month's thread on music and glass, no one mentioned Shania >Twain. I got her "Come On Over" CD yesterday. This isn't "my man just >left me and the Chevy's out of gas" country. If she doesn't get your tutus >and gnomons spinning around the room, I don't know what will. I guess it's >really music *not* to do glass by. > >Steve >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 20:16:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:18:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Census Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:16:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.171657.0> Precedence: bulk I am interested in getting more information about an organization called The Census of Stained Glass Windows in America Inc., a booklet they have published entitled "Conservation and Restoration of Stained Glass: An Owners Manual, and Stained Glass Associates = in Raleigh, NC. Anybody know anything ? TIA. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 20:33:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:25:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Steve Reckner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: more music to do glass by Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:29:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.152918.0> References: <<1999Mar20.133020.0>> Precedence: bulk Steve Reckner wrote: > > Shania Twain... you guys mean she sings, too? Hmmmm, I never noticed. Musta > been distracted! ;^) > > Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Wernecke > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 1:11 PM > Subject: NG: more music to do glass by > > >During last month's thread on music and glass, no one mentioned Shania > >Twain. I got her "Come On Over" CD yesterday. This isn't "my man just > >left me and the Chevy's out of gas" country. If she doesn't get your tutus > >and gnomons spinning around the room, I don't know what will. I guess it's > >really music *not* to do glass by. > > > >Steve Hmmm...does this mean she is a "looker" as they say? T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 20:46:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:36:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Earth to Steve: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar20.173559.0> Precedence: bulk I started to comment the first time I read your message about your preferences of music to glass by but I said no he'll be alright.... but now I am not so sure....hello ! Steve! you can come on down ,back to earth now! Shania is good though, isn't she.Sort of like when I see Bruce Springstein, Billy Joel, Barry Gib [Bee Gees] and definetly still "Tom Jones".Varied interests huh.....Take care, Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 22:20:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG: more music to do glass by Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:41:14 -0800 Message-ID: <199903210541.VAA24909@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Steve Wernecke wrote: >> >> During last month's thread on music and glass, no one mentioned Shania >> Twain. I got her "Come On Over" CD yesterday. This isn't "my man just >> left me and the Chevy's out of gas" country. If she doesn't get your tutus >> and gnomons spinning around the room, I don't know what will. I guess it's >> really music *not* to do glass by. >> >> Steve >> ---- >>..oh I thought I mentioned Shania.....I love that new CD...got it for my husband as a present but its really "the present you get to enjoy too" I think I play it more htan he does...good to excercise too..not sure about glass though...... > >Liz I don't know about anyone else, but I rely on really fast paced music like Shania, 60's oldies and some rock to really pump and produce to just before a major show or when I'm on deadline and need to keep working quickly and efficiently. Times like that jazz or classical just slows me down. After 10 at night I need loud fast tunes to stay with the program too. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 22:37:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:43:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: scratches Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:41:11 -0800 Message-ID: <199903210541.VAA24899@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >> THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > >--Next_Part_3004799310_1018250_MS_Mac_IMN >Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >I just finish a small suncatcher... only to discover when I polished it - >that it has a scratch in the glass.... bummer. It almost looks like a >"score mark" but - on looking at the sheet it was cut from - I found a >couple more scratches... is there a polish I can use to get the scratch >out?? and is it worth the effort... the piece is only worth about $25.00. >Lou in WV > > >--Next_Part_3004799310_1018250_MS_Mac_IMN >Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > > >scratches > > >I just finish a small suncatcher... only to discover when I polished it - that it has a scratch in the glass.... bummer. It almost looks like a "score mark" but - on looking at the sheet it was cut from - I found a couple more scratches... is there a polish I can use to get the scratch out?? and is it worth the effort... the piece is only worth about $25.00.
>Lou in WV
>
> > > >--Next_Part_3004799310_1018250_MS_Mac_IMN-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Hi Lou, Would it be possible for you to turn off your MIME when you post to bungi...the messages are pretty unwieldy? Now, about the scratch...don't think you can polish it out. You might want to do a "repair" for practice and replace the scratched piece with another. I've had problems in the past with buying scratched glass from certain retailers, so be sure and check your sheets before you bring them home...not saying this is what happened in your case, but it's a good thing to have a heads up about. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 20 23:52:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:39:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!S-Perchelli From: S-Perchelli@webtv.net (Susan Perchelli) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1804218146-2843 Subject: Census Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:38:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar20.143840.0> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1804218146-2843 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1804218146-2843 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Guido told me to keep my mouth shut, but I didn't listen. So now...me and Salvatore "The Mute" are learning sign language together. --WebTV-Mail-1804218146-2843 X-URL-Title: MICHIGAN STAINED GLASS CENSUS Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit http://museum.cl.msu.edu/museum/msgc/index.htm --WebTV-Mail-1804218146-2843-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 05:57:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:28:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: KSeeGlass@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG-testing new computer Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:24:58 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar21.122458.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome back to bungiland KSee! Jonesing after a whole week is quite the norm!!! Hope you are clear of any computer problems very soon! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 06:58:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:04:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Lou Deskins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: scratches Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.35850.0> References: <<199903202327.SAA11772@www.netphase.net>> Precedence: bulk Lou Deskins wrote: > > I just finish a small suncatcher... only to discover when I polished > it - that it has a scratch in the glass.... bummer. It almost looks > like a "score mark" but - on looking at the sheet it was cut from - I > found a couple more scratches... is there a polish I can use to get > the scratch out?? and is it worth the effort... the piece is only > worth about $25.00. > Lou in WV if it's deep there's nothing you can do about it. it may be a line pu tin from the glass company. armstrong sometimes has those annoying lines. check my tips section http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ i have a tips page on removing scratches, (it's easier then re-explaining it). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 08:23:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: computer settings Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.52937.0> Precedence: bulk Shari, I don't know what mail program you have but the following is how to deal with MIME with Outlook Express.. With MS Outlook Express you can change this by going to OPTIONS under the TOOLS in the taskbar, then go to SEND and change to PLAIN TEXT, then click on SETTINGS and hit UNENCODE.. With other mail programs the settings should be similar.. Hope this helps you out.. Karen ^öö^ >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.. > >------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7099..D1D113C0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I sent my first message to the list today, and noticed it shows up as "a >multi-part message in MIME format.." I don't see anyone else's messages = >say that.. Am I doing something wrong? Has anyone else had that problem? > > >Shari in SLC > > >------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7099..D1D113C0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><HTML> ><HEAD> > ><META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> ><META content=3D'"MSHTML 4..72..3110..7"' name=3DGENERATOR> ></HEAD> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> ><DIV>I sent my first message to the list today, and noticed it shows up = >as=20 >&quot;a<BR>multi-part message in MIME format..&quot; I don't see anyone = >else's=20 >messages say that.. Am I doing something wrong? Has anyone else had that=20 >problem?<BR></DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Shari in = >SLC<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > >------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7099..D1D113C0-- > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi..com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi..com >Archives available at http://www..bungi..com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 11:26:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:24:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: learning Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:39:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.33953.0> Precedence: bulk I have only been doing glass for one year. I also used to cut and grind my pieces for too close a fit...and the panels were always growing. I think it is important to focus on the piece from the big picture and the piece. But one last thing I do, on every project, I write myself a lesson learned list. I made a mirror with slumped and draped ivy leaves....125 of these one of kind leaves, last summer. Because no one I knew had done a project like this, and no one could help me avoid the pitfalls of putting this together. I learned as I went. The leaves I attached at the end were so much firmer and set so much better than the first. I took me two weeks to get them all attached. When I finished it, I took the whole thing apart. No one could believe I did this! But deep within myself, I knew I could do a better job the next time, because I learned so much the first. I put the piece away until last month when I had the courage to try again. Voila...I got the result I wanted, and I was glad I had redone the whole thing. Granted I wasted an enormous amount of foil, flux, wire and solder the first go round, but I did learn, and I did get better. Now I have to give the thing to my sister-in-law, because it was a promised gift....but I feel like I am attached to those vines. I really put the best of myself into this project....It's the problem solving part of glass work I like the best. If it was easy, I would have quit it long ago. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 13:44:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:24:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: learning Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:24:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.82428.0> References: <<1999Mar21.33953.0>> Precedence: bulk > Voila...I got the > result I wanted, and I was glad I had redone the whole thing. Granted I > wasted an enormous amount of foil, flux, wire and solder the first go round, > but I did learn, and I did get better. Now I have to give the thing to my > sister-in-law, because it was a promised gift....but I feel like I am > attached to those vines. I really put the best of myself into this > project....It's the problem solving part of glass work I like the best. If > it was easy, I would have quit it long ago. Wow. That is impressive that you were willing to take it apart and start over with the original peices! I sure wouldnt call such a learning experience a waste of anything....we all have had our funky first peices..although I have seen a few that sure didnt look like first projects. I think it is really cool that you were willing to work so much harder to get it right. :o) T Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 14:01:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:08:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!mardiespt From: "Rick Conyac" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: maybe i need to see your mailing address again Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:05:03 -0600 Message-ID: <199903211753.JAA25149@magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Precedence: bulk I need help I know that, but I am on a very shoestring buget. If I sign up can I get some advise about getting a busines going strong. I have the tools and work area on an affordable level. Custom carpently and endless list of suppliers at my fingertips. I need help to get commissions as fast as I can handle them. I have done some quality work for some contractors, but I dont see enough to make my husband say the money is good enough. He just assumes I should go to a real job. Maybe you should send me your address again. thanks mardie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 14:31:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:43:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: matching pattern in background glass Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:43:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.10435.0> Precedence: bulk I have always tried to match the pattern in background glass even in glue chip. Any input. Is it worth it or does it matter. I could save glass if I could just cut random that is for sure. I have always matched baroque, but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have it look ok? Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 16:04:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:36:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Rick Conyac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: maybe i need to see your mailing address again Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:40:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.104026.0> References: <<199903211753.JAA25149@magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net>> Precedence: bulk Rick Conyac wrote: > > I need help I know that, but I am on a very shoestring buget. If I sign up > can I get some advise about getting a busines going strong. I have the > tools and work area on an affordable level. Custom carpently and endless > list of suppliers at my fingertips. > > I need help to get commissions as fast as I can handle them. I have done > some quality work for some contractors, but I dont see enough to make my > husband say the money is good enough. He just assumes I should go to a > real job. > > Maybe you should send me your address again. > > thanks > > mardie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Your email is a little confusing, Mardie. Whose address are you wanting? I do understand about the husband wanting to see more money coming in or go get a real job. All too familiar! It is motivating though isnt it? Good luck. Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 16:20:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:46:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:45:44 -0500 Message-ID: <199903212242.RAA07127@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/21/99 3:43 PM Linda Jo Letscher andor@ilnk.com >I have always tried to match the pattern in background glass even in glue >chip. Any input. Is it worth it or does it matter. I could save glass if >I could just cut random that is for sure. I have always matched baroque, >but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have it look >ok? >Linda Jo > Hi LJ, You don't have to match gluechip or English Muffle. They work out fine any which way. Waterglass I do match, unless I'm making an ocean and want the effect of waves going in different directions. My first piece had 4 waterglass corners, 3 going in one direction, the 4th in the opposite. I see it *every* time I look at it! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 17:01:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:01:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:59:00 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar21.22590.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/18/99 7:29:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@villagesoftsmith.com writes: << http://www.stainedglasslamps.com/ Wow! Anyone who hasn't gone to this site already...do it now. How he was able to form and solder some of these animals without boxing himself into a corner is beyond me. Steve >> The 3D giraffe that is pictured on this site, is the exact duplicate of a poured ceramic piece that I made many years ago. Using this as a base, he could have used a ceramic mold (which is cut in half from front to back), glue the glass onto the outside of the mold (after coating the mold with some kind of non-stick finish) ...then after completely sticking the glass to each side of the mold, solder. You could then solder the two halves together...front and back. Just a guess how how this particular one could have been done. Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 17:15:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:03:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:00:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.7051.0> Precedence: bulk In my opinion, it matters a great deal. Sometimes it looks best to match the background and sometimes random is the effect I want. But in all cases, it is critical to be aware of grain direction in textured glass. The worst is where most of the background matches in grain direction, but a few pieces do not. I find my eye is immediately drawn to the mismatched pieces, even with a glass with as subtle of a grain as Spectrum's new Rough Rolled. Why don't you find other uses for the extra scraps you are left with because you are being careful about the grain? I have done all of the following: 1. A few quick abstract panels designed around the pleasing shapes of "scraps". 2. Mosaic stepping stones and other mosaic work (I am currently saving up certain colours of scraps to do our bathroom sink). 3. Earrings: Foil up small shapes, solder on a loop of copper wire and solder the foil for strength (and no sharp edges). Hook a shepherds hook into the loop. You now have either items to sell at the inexpensive end of the spectrum or enough Christmas presents for the next twenty years. 4. Save out the "compatible" (90 or 96 COE) scraps and experiment with fusing. 5. Trade all your COE compatible scraps with the local fuser for a case of beer. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: bungi Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 3:37 PM Subject: matching pattern in background glass >I have always tried to match the pattern in background glass even in glue >chip. Any input. Is it worth it or does it matter. I could save glass if >I could just cut random that is for sure. I have always matched baroque, >but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have it look >ok? >Linda Jo > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 18:07:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:04:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:03:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar21.14355.0> References: <<1999Mar21.10435.0>> Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > I have always tried to match the pattern in background glass even in glue > chip. Any input. Is it worth it or does it matter. I could save glass if > I could just cut random that is for sure. I have always matched baroque, > but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have it look > ok? > Linda Jo > I kinda leave gluechip alone, so I won't comment on attempting to match it. With water glass, on the other hand, my favorite manipulation of the grain is to have it spraying outward from strong focal points, like flaming hearts. That's one way of matching, albeit not the one you were considering. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 18:10:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:32:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.143219.0> References: <<1999Mar21.10435.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > I have always tried to match the pattern in background glass even in glue > chip. Any input. Is it worth it or does it matter. I could save glass if > I could just cut random that is for sure. I have always matched baroque, > but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have it look > ok? > Linda Jo > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it all depends on what you like it to be. glue chip really does'nt have a grain, it can go anywhere. water glass does have a grain, so it may make a difference. as long as the glass isn't too obivious, it should'nt make a difference. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 18:29:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:23:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: andor@ilnk.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:19:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.141958.0> Precedence: bulk Linda, With glue chip that should not be a problem, although sometimes you get a sheet of glue chip that is very directional and makes it a problem. I always match the grain in waterglass however. If you don't it just looks messy, unless your particular design calls for a random look. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:43:05 -0500 "Linda Jo Letscher" writes: >I have always tried to match the pattern in background glass even in >glue >chip. Any input. Is it worth it or does it matter. I could save >glass if >I could just cut random that is for sure. I have always matched >baroque, >but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have >it look >ok? >Linda Jo > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 18:31:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:35:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:32:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990321163216.00987100@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar21.10435.0>> Precedence: bulk At 03:43 PM 3/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >I have always tried to match the pattern in background glass even in glue >chip. Any input. Is it worth it or does it matter. I could save glass if >I could just cut random that is for sure. I have always matched baroque, >but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have it look >ok? >Linda Jo > It would be a mistake to ignore the grain in waterglass unless you're talking about very small pieces, in which case you're not taking advantage of water glass beauty. IMHO, of course. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 18:53:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:21:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "Linda Jo Letscher" Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:19:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.15197.0> Precedence: bulk Linda, Water glass runs in one direction and would be noticed if not consistant. I don't think it matters with Glue Chip though. Karen >I have always tried to match the pattern in background glass even in glue >chip. Any input. Is it worth it or does it matter. I could save glass if >I could just cut random that is for sure. I have always matched baroque, >but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have it look >ok? >Linda Jo > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 19:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:41:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Computer Settings Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:35:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.153544.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, I'll try this again for the person that asked how not to post in MIME format. If you are using Outlook Express you can change this by going to: TOOLS in the taskbar at the top of the screen, Then hit OPTIONS, Then hit SEND tab and go to the box titled "mail sending format", Change from HTML to PLAIN TEXT, Then click on SETTINGS right next to the words plain text, In the "message format box" hit UNENCODE. With other mail programs the process will be slightly different I hope this helps. Karen.........Bob the Dinosaur taught me well. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 21 19:56:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:47:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Subject: Mail program on Drugs? Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:14:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar21.151450.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry everyone, don't know what is going on with my mail. It could be all the paint fumes in the house right now. Karen K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 01:30:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:55:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Lou Deskins Subject: Re: scratches Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:27:32 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.72732.0> References: <<199903202327.SAA11772@www.netphase.net>> Precedence: bulk Lou, A light mark can be removed by rubbing a paste made from jewellers rouge and water rubbed with a cork over the scratch. When apparently completely removed, wash thoroughly and finish with cerium oxide paste. If this is done by hand, it will take about an hour, but only if the scratch is very light. If you use a cork wheel, it must run slowly, and have the paste constantly fed onto the cork by a water drip. Slow speeds are necessary to avoid over heating the piece and so cracking it. Steve In message <199903202327.SAA11772@www.netphase.net>, Lou Deskins writes > I just finish a small suncatcher... only to discover when I > polished it - that it has a scratch in the glass.... bummer. It > almost looks like a "score mark" but - on looking at the sheet it > was cut from - I found a couple more scratches... is there a polish > I can use to get the scratch out?? and is it worth the effort... > the piece is only worth about $25.00. > Lou in WV -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 06:01:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:39:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: scratches Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:37:58 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar22.123758.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/22/99 4:31:17 AM, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk wrote: >A light mark can be removed by rubbing a paste made from >jewellers rouge and water rubbed with a cork over the scratch. >[...] If this is done by hand, it will take about an hour, but >only if the scratch is very light. Sounds to me like it's not worth the time and effort unless you're dealing with a high-end work of art and can't get matching glass for the replacement piece. For a $25 suncatcher, I think it would be a toss-up between (1) removing and replacing the scratched piece (about a $15 job) and (2) tossing the defective item and making another one. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 06:19:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 04:41:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:37:57 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar22.123757.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/21/99 9:53:55 PM, andor@ilnk.com wrote: >but glue chip or water glass couldn't I just turn at random and have it >look ok? Waterglass does need to go in the same direction. Glue chip is a little more complicated. If you're using "single" glue chip - the coarse-grained kind - It has a definite pattern that's worth matching. The finer-grained "double" glue chip is somewhat more forgiving, but you still need to take a close look at the sheet of glass and ask yourself: Does this *really* look the same in all directions, or is there a noticeable difference? In either case, if your experienced artist's eye *really* can't tell the difference, go ahead and cut it any old way the pieces fit. If the glass looks at all different from one direction vs. another, go with the "directionality." Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 08:35:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:25:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: HELP PLEASE Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:26:22 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.172622.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE7446.0D1D2860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI ! I'M A NEWBEE AND TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO GET A PATTERN SENT TO ME TO = PRINT iT IS LARGER THAN THE PAPER. I WAS TOLD TO CONVERT OR PUT INTO A = FILE SUCH AS PHOTO DELUXE. BUT NOT ONLY AM I NEW TO STAINED GLASS BUT = VERY VERY NEW TO THE COMPUTER. PLEASE HELP IN DETAIL HOW I WOULD DO = THIS. IM EMBARASSED TO SAY I'VE BEEN TRING 3WEEKS NOW. WE HAVE = WINDOWSS IF THAT HELPS. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ALL THE HELP. RICKY - = GLASS EXPRESSIONS =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE7446.0D1D2860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE7446.0D1D2860-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 08:53:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:33:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tripos.com!rammann From: Rachel Ammann To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Re: scratches Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:36:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.23636.0> References: <<1999Mar22.123758.0>> Organization: Tripos Inc Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0E1886D6FB3FB01371AE9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a jeweler, I would have to say that using cerium oxide is preferable to using rouge. Cerium oxide is a white abrasive dust. It can be mixed with water into a toothpaste like consistency. You can rub it in with a cloth. It washes off easily. The dust is more abrasive than that in rouge, so, it takes less elbow grease to work out the scratch. There are different types of rouge. The most common is called "red" rouge (there is also "green" rouge etc.). All the rouges contain abrasive dust embedded in a waxy, greasy substance that is red or green or whatever. You normally apply dry it using a buffing wheel (not quite as simple as cerium oxide). At high speeds, the buffing wheel "melts" the wax and makes its own paste. I have never mixed rouge with water (after all it is composed of stuff that seems like it would not mix with water). When you are done buffing, the piece has a waxy red (or green) haze on it. I find that scrubbing the piece with a toothbrush, then washing in the dishwasher gets off the haze. I would never apply rouge to glue chip glass (it would get stuck in the texture in the glass) or to anything but a very smooth glass like Spectrum. Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/22/99 4:31:17 AM, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > wrote: > > >A light mark can be removed by rubbing a paste made from > >jewellers rouge and water rubbed with a cork over the scratch. > >[...] If this is done by hand, it will take about an hour, but > >only if the scratch is very light. > > Sounds to me like it's not worth the time and effort unless you're dealing > with a high-end work of art and can't get matching glass for the replacement > piece. For a $25 suncatcher, I think it would be a toss-up between (1) > removing and replacing the scratched piece (about a $15 job) and (2) tossing > the defective item and making another one. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------0E1886D6FB3FB01371AE9140 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="rammann.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Rachel Ammann Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rammann.vcf" begin:vcard n:Ammann;Rachel tel;fax:314-647 9241 tel;work:314-647-8837 X-3381 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Tripos Inc. adr:;;1699 S Hanley Rd ;St Louis ;Mo;63144;USA version:2.1 email;internet:rammann@tripos.com title:Senior Consultant x-mozilla-cpt:;21952 fn:Rachel Ammann end:vcard --------------0E1886D6FB3FB01371AE9140-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 09:13:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:36:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 1 reostat/2 irons? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.4031.0> Precedence: bulk When I'm working on 3-d projects, it's nice to have a second smaller iron hot and ready to go. I've been pluging it into a power strip and transfering it to the reostat in exchange for the one I was using but this is a hassel. If I put a splitter plug in the reostat and plug in both irons, will they each get half the current or is the reostat going to work double time keeping up with both irons? I don't want to ruin anything. Can you tell I'm elecrically challenged? As they say in the Navy...if you can't see it, can't understand it, "it's all PFM...." Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 10:06:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:13:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Reinforcing small panel Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:02:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.0235.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BE743A.5875E880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, I am about two thirds the way done with cutting and foiling the panel for my mothers birthday present. It is 16 inches across, and composed of a lot of horizontal pieces along the edges, with the bulk of the verticals in the center. I have included a small copy of the pattern with this email. I am thinking of either soldering 10 gauge copper wire to the outside edge with loops for hanging. Or putting it in a circular oak frame. >From what I have read in the list, a product called "Re-Strip" is used to reinforce foil panels that exceed a certain size. Now that elusive certain size seems to be a matter of opinion,,, I have seen this product at the store, and it looks like flattened copper wire (and is expensive). Is it possible to make your own "al la re-strip", and if it is, what gauge of wire might you use? 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please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 15:35:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:46:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: maybe I need to see your mailing address again Date: Mon Mar 22 09:46:56 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.72456.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7489.7DC4CD46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" but I dont see enough to make my husband say the money is good enough. He just assumes I should go to a real job. Mardie Not sure how long you have been doing this but does your husband have any clue how long it can take to get a business on a paying basis? Unless you buy a business it takes time to make the contacts and even then plan on a year or two before real profits. I know how tough it is to get by on a single income. The math also tells me that it doesn't pay for my wife to work. After taxes, commuting, child care and miscellaneous expenses we would come out about $3000 ahead. It just ain't worth it. There is no way for me to know if it pays for you to take a "real job" or not. You need to do the math yourself. Look at what you make in glass versus what you get to keep of your paycheck. What you are doing now is also a real, if poorly paying, job. Just ask Suzanne de Tulsa. It takes a lot more to go out and sell yourself than to sell out to a regular job. Granted the security is better with a regular check, but the final payoff may be better out on your own. The bottom line is your own confidence in yourself and the work you do. Right now I have a wife, kid and a mortgage company depending on me so it is the security of 9 to 5. When the chance comes I will bet on myself though. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7489.7DC4CD46 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: maybe I need to see your mailing address again

 but I dont see enough to make my husband say = the money is good enough. He just assumes I should go  to a real = job.

Mardie

Not sure how long you have been doing this but does = your husband have any clue how long it can take to get a business on a = paying basis? Unless you buy a business it takes time to make the = contacts and even then plan on a year or two before real profits. =

I know how tough it is to get by on a single income. = The math also tells me that it doesn't pay for my wife to work. After = taxes, commuting, child care and miscellaneous expenses we would come = out about $3000 ahead. It just ain't worth it.

There is no way for me to know if it pays for you to = take a "real job" or not. You need to do the math yourself. = Look at what you make in glass versus what you get to keep of your = paycheck.

What you are doing now is also a real, if poorly = paying, job. Just ask Suzanne de Tulsa. It takes a lot more to go out = and sell yourself than to sell out to a regular job. Granted the = security is better with a regular check, but the final payoff may be = better out on your own.

The bottom line is your own confidence in yourself = and the work you do. Right now I have a wife, kid and a mortgage = company depending on me so it is the security of 9 to 5. When the = chance comes I will bet on myself though.

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com
  

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7489.7DC4CD46-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 15:42:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:28:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Morton system WWW site Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:39:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar22.113919.0> Precedence: bulk This afternoon I noticed that Morton has a web site up and running. The URL is: http://www.mortonglass.com/ The site is a little slow, I think it is due to a large amount of graphics. One nice thing for all those who have lost (or misplaced) the instructions they have information on how to order a new improved version of the instructions. The instructions are also available in a pdf format for instant (well, almost instant as the file is rather large) viewing. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 16:04:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:31:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bud Britt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Reinforcing small panel Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:52:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.85229.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bud Britt" > >From what I have read in the list, a product called "Re-Strip" is used t= o reinforce foil panels that exceed a certain size. Now that elusive certai= n size seems to be a matter of opinion,,, < Bud, this window isn't large enough to require re-strip.... don't waste your time and money. = Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 16:07:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:00:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: blank messages Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:54:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.55450.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I haven't been able to see, much less read, just about every post for the past few days. I'm wondering if people are sending in mime and that's the reason. Any suggestions? Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 16:30:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:38:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientside-viennasys.com!sfairbairn From: Steve Fairbairn To: 'Stained Glass Mailing List' Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Copper patina Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:23:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.5231.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I am a new list member who has been lurking on the side for the last month. I was an avid hobbyist for a few years about 20 years ago, and have just recently renewed my interest in stained-glass. I just finished my first panel (foil) in 20 years. I would like to put a copper patina on the solder lines but I have been unable to find the "recipe" for the correct amount of copper sulfate to water and was hoping someone could help me out. I have a fairly good supply of copper sulfate that I inherited recently from my father who was also a hobbyist so I don't really want to go out and buy the pre-mixed patinas from the local supplier. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer. Regards, Steve Fairbairn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 16:31:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:39:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" , "Glass Expressions" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:33:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.33348.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Rick! Welcome to Bungi. First, some answers to your question about resizing patterns on your computer. To know for sure, I would need to know the original format (file extension) of the pattern you were working with. But since you mention PhotoDeluxe, I will attempt to give you some hints. Select then then to resize the image. You probably want to make sure the box is checked so you do not distort the pattern. You may also do this with long menus displayed. With selected, do >File >Preferences >Long Menus. Then under the >Size menu choose >Photo Size A few notes in general for sending messages to other people and also through the Bungi list: Please turn off your Caps Lock key. Typing in all capitals is equivalent to shouting in a conversation. It is considered bad form out here in e-mail land. Send your messages to Bungi in not MIME (HTML) format as you did with this one. The Bungi list server does not work well with HTML (MIME) format and it makes your messages very hard to read. There have been a couple of posts to Bungi in the last 24 hours under the heading "Computer Settings" concerning how to send Plain Text, so I will not repeat them here. If you need them , please reply to me directly and I will send you these instructions. There is also sort of a Bungi newbe thing (Bungi 101) on the IGGA web site at www.igga.org. Select the Bungi logo to get the Bungi menu then select "(Huh? What's a "Bungi"?)". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 16:45:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:40:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: matching pattern in background glass Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:53:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.25353.0> Precedence: bulk As a final step, I always lay out my glass pieces before final assembly. I then walk away and look at something else for a bit. When I return, I make sure I look at the whole piece and pay attention to how my eye flows across the complete panel and what catches my eye first. Any problems with grain matching or colour or overall design will "jump out" at me. If I am not sure, I will ask someone else (usually Adriana) to come in and have a look. I have been known to throw out and re-cut pieces which had something wrong in either the grain or the colour flow. I know it is expensive, but it is better than having a completed panel which I am not pleased with or which just sits without selling. And in response to some of the comments on glue chip. I went out and looked at all my various styles of glue chip. At least 75% had a very noticeable grain. The grain was often circular or semi-circular, but I would say this still matters a lot. The effect of having a background which goes "()" is totally different than ")(" or "((". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 16:53:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:40:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 1 reostat/2 irons? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:52:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.85226.0> Precedence: bulk Linda, how about just spending a bit more and buying an iron that will maintain heat as you need it? Just a thought. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 17:01:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:43:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Computer Settings Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:39:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.2392.0> Precedence: bulk And you may also set up individual addresses as either plain text or HTML in MS Outlook. This is how I have it set up because I do want to send HTML (MIME) to some people, but plain text to Bungi. < Tools > < Address Book > either < New Contact > if you don't have Bungi yet, or select < Bungi > then < Properties > or < double click > if you already have it in your address book check the < Send E-Mail using plain text only > box Now just send everything for Bungi using this address from your address book by clicking on the button on the new message then selecting Bungi. When replying to previous messages, I always do a reply to get the "re: ..." subject and any quotes I need. But then I select and delete the addresses and re-select the Bunji address so I am sure it goes in the correct format and so I do not double send it to people (both through Bungi and their private e-mail). -----Original Message----- From: Karen K. To: Bungi List Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 8:52 PM Subject: Computer Settings >Okay, I'll try this again for the person that asked how not to post in >MIME format. > >If you are using Outlook Express you can change this by going to: > >TOOLS in the taskbar at the top of the screen, >Then hit OPTIONS, >Then hit SEND tab and go to the box titled "mail sending format", >Change from HTML to PLAIN TEXT, >Then click on SETTINGS right next to the words plain text, >In the "message format box" hit UNENCODE. > >With other mail programs the process will be slightly different >I hope this helps. > >Karen.........Bob the Dinosaur taught me well. > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 17:10:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:47:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: matching patterns Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:59:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar22.35942.0> Precedence: bulk I agree completely with Suzanne. My second panel had 3 pieces going one way, and the fourth the other. I decided to take it apart last week and recut because I knew my eye would always be drawn to that very apparent flaw in the direction of the waterglass! Barbara _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 17:12:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:16:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nettally.com!gypsy2 From: "Sandy Gustafson" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: N G---New email address Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:21:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.12218.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BE7488.5FB4A0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all my friends and fellow bungi, my new email address is = gypsy2@nettally.com. Sandra I. Gustafson from Athens, Georgia now = living in Panacea, Flordia on the gulf. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BE7488.5FB4A0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To all my friends and fellow bungi, my new email = address is gypsy2@nettally.com.  = Sandra I.=20 Gustafson from Athens, Georgia now living in  Panacea, Flordia on = the=20 gulf.
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BE7488.5FB4A0C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 17:31:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:18:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: "Molly Keys" To: "Glass Expressions" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:31:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.93120.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Ricky, If you have Windows Publisher 8 you can enlarge. Import or scan you image in and then go to file and page setup enter the size you want, everything is self explanatory. The problem you might have is if you don't have enough memory or an older model printer. I had an Epson laser printer and it didn't have enough memory to print but switched to the HP Deskjet 890C and no problem. I enlarge all my patterns this way and then take them to a blueprinting company to have copies made. Saves lots of time. Hope this helps. Molly -----Original Message----- From: Glass Expressions To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 10:55 AM Subject: HELP PLEASE >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE7446.0D1D2860 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >HI ! I'M A NEWBEE AND TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO GET A PATTERN SENT TO ME TO = >PRINT iT IS LARGER THAN THE PAPER. I WAS TOLD TO CONVERT OR PUT INTO A = >FILE SUCH AS PHOTO DELUXE. BUT NOT ONLY AM I NEW TO STAINED GLASS BUT = >VERY VERY NEW TO THE COMPUTER. PLEASE HELP IN DETAIL HOW I WOULD DO = >THIS. IM EMBARASSED TO SAY I'VE BEEN TRING 3WEEKS NOW. WE HAVE = >WINDOWSS IF THAT HELPS. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ALL THE HELP. RICKY - = >GLASS EXPRESSIONS =20 > >------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE7446.0D1D2860 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
HI ! I'M A NEWBEE AND TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO GET A = >PATTERN=20 >SENT TO ME TO PRINT iT IS LARGER THAN THE PAPER. I WAS TOLD TO CONVERT = >OR PUT=20 >INTO A FILE SUCH AS PHOTO DELUXE.  BUT NOT ONLY AM I NEW TO STAINED = >GLASS=20 >BUT VERY VERY NEW TO THE COMPUTER.  PLEASE HELP IN DETAIL HOW I = >WOULD DO=20 >THIS.  IM EMBARASSED TO SAY I'VE BEEN TRING 3WEEKS NOW.  WE = >HAVE=20 >WINDOWSS IF THAT HELPS.   THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ALL THE = >HELP. =20 >RICKY - GLASS EXPRESSIONS 
> >------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE7446.0D1D2860-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 17:34:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:29:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Witchdoc3@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: scratches Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:52:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.85223.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Witchdoc3@aol.com > Sounds to me like it's not worth the time and effort unless you're dealin= g with a high-end work of art and can't get matching glass for the replacement piece.< I agree, and if it is a larger piece of glass, care must be taken not to buff a "lens" into the scratched area, which is even more noticeable than the scratch! best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 17:36:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:57:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:LByrne21@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site was: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:52:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.85220.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:LByrne21@aol.com > The 3D giraffe that is pictured on this site, is the exact duplicate of a= poured ceramic piece that I made many years ago. Using this as a base, h= e could have used a ceramic mold (which is cut in half from front to back),= glue the glass onto the outside of the mold (after coating the mold with some kind of non-stick finish) ...then after completely sticking the glass to each side of the mold, solder. You could then solder the two halves together...front and back. Just a guess how how this particular one could have been done.= Laver< I still say he casts a negative mold, whether he uses a ceramic = original or not. Then he builds in sections *inside the negative... then the sections are assembled. I still say they're cool, even if they're not entirely original.... at any rate, they're cooler than the ceramics, and a lot more work! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 17:59:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:59:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nettally.com!gypsy2 From: "Sandy Gustafson" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: NG Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:03:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.13355.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BE748E.5A606F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please, can someone tell me who I contact to be placed on the instrastar = glass chat group? Thanks in advance Sandra I. Gustafson ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BE748E.5A606F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please, can someone tell me who I contact to be = placed on the=20 instrastar glass chat group?
Thanks in advance  Sandra I.=20 Gustafson
------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BE748E.5A606F40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 18:02:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:04:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: No messages today? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:17:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.10170.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Is everyone scoring today? No posts coming through here; only one person, and of the 3 he's sent, they're all blank. Anyone else having a problem? Of course if you are, you won't get this one (g). Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 18:11:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:27:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: learning Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:45:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.104528.0> Precedence: bulk I am going to take a picture before I deliver to my sister in law in April. I used real ivy leaves and designed the glass cut out patterns and shaped molds from plaster. I used the xerox to create different sizes. I had to remake the molds after two or three firings, because plaster crumbles. I only had access to an 8x8x8 enameling kiln, so only 3 to five leaves could be fired at a time. I used about 5 different Wissmach greens...they really looked natural. I have learned since doing this that I could have used a pastry tube filled with plaster to make the viens, which would have given it an even more real look. Then I foiled each leaf around the edges. I found a wrought iron pattern from a book. I put a 1/2' zinc border around the mirror. I then twisted pre-tinned wire and soldered the wire into the wrought ironwork design into the inside edge of the zinc so that it was reflecting on the mirror. I patina-ed the wire and painted the zinc a copper with a black green/moss green paint to age it. Then I just started soldering the leaves around the framework. I had to use acetone to remove the paint on the zinc at connection points, but they patina-ed back to copper just fine. I made tendrils by cutting reinforcement in half widths and curling it around my finger. The leaves are soldered in random patterns, with some sticking out toward the viewer. It really looks like ivy that grew around the ironwork. I took perhaps 20 or so iridized copper colored globs and made berries (just a few). The best way to imagine, is ivy growing around a mirror, because it really looks real, and natural. I tried to get it in a juried show, because I was excited about it, but it was rejected, because it was a mirror. I didn't know that was a "thing". I learned if I had worked the leaves in a two dimensional panel, it would have made it. Another lesson learned! I had another piece that did make it. I didn't win anything. What I did notice from this show was that the piece that won 2 dimensional panel and best in show (which was a 2 dimensional panel) by Salvador Equihua, was that the uniqueness of the glass counts heavily. The two pieces had equisite glass, and it was used to perfection!!! The glass and the substance were married by divine inspiration. I was in awe. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 18:32:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:47:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: How Big to Re-Strip? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:48:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.104828.0> Precedence: bulk Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ezcomezgo From: rrk To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mail list management Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.81235.0> Precedence: bulk I keep getting blank mailings ... might be the mailing list manager. The following URL has numerous mailing list managers, most of which are free ... might be worth looking into IF the problem is the CGI program. http://www.cgi-resources.com/Programs_and_Scripts/Perl/Mailing_List_Management/ Regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 19:52:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:05:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: way behind Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:05:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.14557.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to tell you guys, that I have 165 unread messages sitting in my box. If anyone has sent anything directed at me....and you havent heard from me in response, you might want to email me again (privately) and YELL my name in the subject line. Just didnt want anyone to think I was ignoring them. :o) Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 20:11:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:34:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp2.reidgroup.com!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Soldering experience... Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199903230224.VAA02206@ppp2.reidgroup.com> Precedence: bulk Febrary 15, 1998 Hi everybody, this is not about glass, it is about computers, but involves glass. And involves soldering... well, that is common in electronics, right? So why stained glass. Keep reading, this will turn pyro.=20 Last weekend I visited a friend of mine. He was all excited with his new videocard and showed me a large number of games. This fellow is game addicted! So the new board was useless to him. A recently state-of-the-art card, with 4 megs of memory and 2D processing. The perfect card for a home desktop, IMHO. So I took it home. My franky monster --as I lovely refer to my computer-- has been assembled from given, used and new parts alike. It is a --now-- slow Pentium 120 (overclocked to 133Mh!) and I am thinking about upgrading its power, so I can play my MP3 (encoded music files, which are become the buzzword on the Internet) and do real work at the same time (like number crunching). Franky's motherboard was a gift. So I decided to put it apart. It is amazing --even for a computer scientist like me-- to see the computer parts. They are unbelievable --specially since I have been in the industry/area for almost 15 years. Anyways, I got no info. The motherboard does not have any trace of who its manufacturer is --common in cheap computer parts. Time to put everything back together.=20 Unfortunately, when I was connecting one hard disk, a cable broke from the connector. No big deal. It was a special connector to be able to plug a laptop drive --my old laptop's hd-- to a desktop, whose connectors don't match --I hate cables in computers. Anyways, this connector is a little piece of board with 20 something connectors on each side plus 2 connectors to the power supply. One of the latter was th= e one broken.=20 I took the connector to my hobby table, and when I plug the soldering iron in, it gives up with some smoke. Mmm, time to get a new one. But I had to put my computer back together. =A1Eureka! Use the stained glass iron. I look at the connector. With no electronics, it is safe to use the extra hot iron --was my reasoning-- as long as I am careful. On top of that, I decide to use stained glass acid. It works wonderfully well, believe me. Done. I test everything with a voltmeter. Ready to plug things back. Once I end putting the machine together, I start to try it. The CD does not seem to be connected. I try again. By now, the computer is laying in front of me, horizontal and wide open. I plug the CD in, and it seems to be ok. The machine starts its booting sequence. Suddenly the hard disk seems to have problems. Mmm,=20 Suddenly a acrid smell. Yes, you got that right! Smoke coming out of the computer and several sparkles. Fortunately I am close, my mouth blows air and my hand reaches the power supply. "Scotty, report damage!"=20 "Major damage in the harddisk connector. The HD might be useful, but we need a new adapter to test it --CAN$30. Since the HD is 1.4 G, it is not worth buying one to test it. The remainder of the computer is in good condition, captain". We were lucky! :) The forensics department kicked in. Quincy claimed it might have been the acid in the flux --which was not completely cleaned-- what caused the problem. The acid is conductive and it overheated, melting the connector. I still don't know whether the harddisk works. Nonetheless, three weeks later I upgraded its modem and overclocked the C= PU.=20 I learned my lesson, do not use SG flux in electronics. -- Daniel M. German "War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is _controlled_ violence for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's R. Heinlein -> decisions by force." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 20:41:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:47:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: very sad news Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:47:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.14471.0> Precedence: bulk I received a very nice surprise gift in the mail Friday from one of my coolest online buddies, Arnold Schneider. I cant tell you how heartsick I am...Arnold has had some health problems for some time, but was very private about it. He left bungi not too long ago because he was going to have surgery, he said he thought it might be a long road. Here is the email I recieved in response to my note that the package had arrived. Dear Suzanne, Please pass this note on to all the folks in Bungi. To all Arnold's friends at Bungi. Arnold died Friday, March 19, 1999 from complications from surgery. In spite of the valiant efforts made by the doctors he never regained consciousness. He did not suffer. He is now making stained glass stars and angels in heaven. Keep watching for new constellations. The Glass Dipper would not surprise me at all. Thanks to all in Bungi for being wonderful e-mail pals with my husband. He enjoyed your conversations, thoughts, ideas, and most of all your sense of humor. My love to all of you. Mary Anne Schneider -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Arnold Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 10:50 PM Subject: package arrived >Arnold and Mary Anne... > >( Being a wife and daughter, I just have to assume Mary Anne did have >something to do with this! :o)) > >Thank you so much for the very generous gift. Arnold, I hope I told you >it wasnt necessary. You sure didnt owe me for showing you where to find >some cool stuff for grandkids! I really do appreciate the gift, >however, and as soon as I finish eating my dinner, I am putting it to >the test. > >Arent I awful? Yes, I am actually eating at the desk, and doing email >at the same time! My hubby, Gary, has been working lots of over time. > >Since you left Bungi, you have missed my news, Arnold. I have gotten >two retail shops to carry some of my stuff. Fan pulls, and fan lamps, >stones. > >A floral gift shop is going to carry some of my stuff, and having me do >some custom work for them. Pretty cool, eh? I really like the owners, >neat guys, and we have a good rapport. > >The other shop is a nursery/plant shop with an attached gift shop. He >has put some fan pulls, and fan lamps in the shop, and having me make >him some stones for the garden center! yee haa. > >Also they both buy outright, so I dont have to worry about consignment >stuff. YES!! > >Hopefully this will go well and I wont have to go get a *real job this >summer! I have been baby sitting before and after school. (yuck) >I like hanging out with my own kids....and neices and nephews, but the >others get to me after a while! :o) > >Take care. Hope you are feeling better, Arnold. Give Mary Anne a big >kiss, and tell her how wonderful she is, like you tell me she is! :o) >(dont tell her I wanna dance with ya though) ;o) > >Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 21:23:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:28:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com, glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Arnold Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:31:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.153151.0> Precedence: bulk If you would like to send Mary Anne a card... Mary Anne Schneider RR 2 Box 510 Richfield, Pa 17086 I feel very fortunate to have been a friend of Arnolds. He really was one of the good guys. Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 22:11:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:30:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG help with happy99? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:36:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.163649.0> Precedence: bulk I informed my mother tonight she had the happy99 worm...sent her to a couple of websites. She is having trouble, and cant get any response on her computer. Those of you that went through the happy 99 and cleanup...did you experience any problems? I told her it may just be coincidence.. but that isnt much consulation. Any ideas? T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 22:26:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:46:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: learning Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:42:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.124215.0> Precedence: bulk >>I am going to take a picture before I deliver to my sister in law in April. I used real ivy leaves and designed the glass cut out patterns and shaped molds from plaster. I used the xerox to create different sizes. I had to remake the molds after two or three firings, because plaster crumbles. I only had access to an 8x8x8 enameling kiln, so only 3 to five leaves could be fired at a time. I used about 5 different Wissmach greens...they really looked natural. I have learned since doing this that I could have used a pastry tube filled with plaster to make the viens, which would have given it an even more real look. Then I foiled each leaf around the edges. I found a wrought iron pattern from a book. << snip>> Learning! Heck, you are a class leader! Please make the picture available when you get it. Even so, here are a couple of comments. Plaster of paris was a good choice for a mold material of convience. For a reusable mold I use clay that I roll out (with a rolling pin using two strips of 1/4" glass as guides) to 1/4" thick and then form by pressing a leaf or whatever into it. Let dry, fire to 1500'F or so, kiln wash and use forever more. A 25 pound block of fire clay costs about $8.00 and will make a bunch of molds. For texturing wet plaster of paris or clay, a kitchen fork, steel brush and many other things about the house can be used. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 22:53:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:55:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Arnold's Passing Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:55:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.125545.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk To all Arnold's friends at Bungi. Arnold died Friday, March 19, 1999 from complications from surgery. In spite of the valiant efforts made by the doctors he never regained consciousness. He did not suffer. He is now making stained glass stars and angels in heaven. Keep watching for new constellations. The Glass Dipper would not surprise me at all. Thanks to all in Bungi for being wonderful e-mail pals with my husband. He enjoyed your conversations, thoughts, ideas, and most of all your sense of humor. My love to all of you. Mary Anne Schneider T Suz this is very sad news indeed and I thank you for conveying the message to us all. I think we are still in shock over Bob now Arnold. He will be missed and was admired by many. My sincere condolences to Mrs. Schneider. God Bless, Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 22 23:04:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:38:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "suzanne" , "glass bungi line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: YOU STILL THERE??? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:35:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199903230531.AAA29464@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne - Thanks so much for calling me so I wouldn't be knocked over when I sat down at the computer. I too am sad at Arnold's passing. He was brave to not burden us with his illness and just go ahead and do what needed to be done. As Mary Anne said, sure he's building glass stars and angels. At least I would like to think so! I have very certain, strong feelings about death - I don't think it's "the end" - I think it's just the next step that seems to come way too soon for some, but in the scheme of things everything is as it was meant to be. I think at death there is a release that feels good - like leaving a stuffy room, or taking off too-tight shoes, and finding an incredible amount of love waiting for us we were not aware of. I have seen hospice patients holding up their arms and seeming to speak to spirits with wonderful looks on their faces - I noticed my own sister's face right after her death - all the creases erased, a look of peace she *never* had in life. In the end it is the final mystery of this life but I have faith that nothing but good can come to a good person like Arnold. I am grateful for having known him and also for the good ideas and advice he gave, and his wonderful, dry sense of humor. So his ideas are finding new life here and life goes on - everywhere. Way to go, Arnold! God Bless and we will miss you... Mary Anne, my condolences. He showed his love for you touchingly in his e-mails. Suzanne Lahaska Litho Imaging Ltd. 33 Union Street, Suite 4 Doylestown, PA 18901 215-340-1202 (VOICE) 215-340-2313 (FAX) Hours - 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM e-mail : litho@ll-imaging.com please go to ll-imaging.com for todays updates Jim :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 00:23:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:32:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: lcbell@memach.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: 1 reostat/2 irons? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.19494.0> Precedence: bulk Linda, Just buy yourself the biggest iron you can lift and forget about all the fancy stuff. I just soldered a two by three foot, fairly detailed panel, (copper foil) both front and back in about an hour and a half with my old Sears 200 watt iron. (Could have done it in an hour but I'm picky). Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:00:31 -0500 Linda Campbell writes: >When I'm working on 3-d projects, it's nice to have a second smaller >iron >hot and ready to go. I've been pluging it into a power strip and >transfering it to the reostat in exchange for the one I was using but >this >is a hassel. If I put a splitter plug in the reostat and plug in both > >irons, will they each get half the current or is the reostat going to >work >double time keeping up with both irons? I don't want to ruin >anything. > >Can you tell I'm elecrically challenged? As they say in the Navy...if >you >can't see it, can't understand it, "it's all PFM...." > >Linda >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 01:35:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:03:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Stained glass mags? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:04:25 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.3425.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I was wondering if you can give me your suggestions for what the best stained glass magazine is. It appears I have to order directly from overseas, since none of the newsagents here stock any, or even know of any, and I don't particularly want to fork out heaps of money for a 12 mth subscription on a mag sight unseen. I'm not into hot glass (yet) so emphasis would be more on lead and copper foil techniques, lots of pictures (I love glossies!), and patterns maybe. Any suggestions? Much appreciated, Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 01:51:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:03:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:59:42 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.35942.0> Precedence: bulk All, thought you might be interested in a cunning little invention my teacher has come up with. Rather than use the stopper in his grinder, to keep the water in, he puts a tray (about one and a half inches deep) underneath the grinder which is raised on three lengths of wood in a U-shape, (the bottom of the U at the back of the grinder). Attached to the rear end of the U is a vertical piece of wood, which runs up the back of the grinder and about 6" higher. at the top of this vertical piece is attached a wire circle, which holds a plastic cup full of water - the cup sits almost directly above the grinder head. Now at the bottom or the plastic cup, he's punched a little tiny hole, inserted a plastic tube into it, and at the other end, a little tiny spigot, which he can turn on and off, so the water trickles down straight onto the grinder head and sponge. Because the water runs straight through the grinder reservoir, the reservoir very rarely needs cleaning out all that powdery gunk (for the poll, that's one of the jobs I hate the most!). You can adjust the spigot so it's running just fast enough to keep the head clean, but slow enough that running out of water isn't a problem. All you have to do is remember to check the water level before and after grinding, and watch the tray so it doesn't overflow - takes ages to fill, and it's much easier to lift away and tip out than trying to scrape around the grinder head. I thought this was a very nifty little idea, what do you all think? Maybe lots of people do this, but I've never seen it before, and I didn't recall anyone saying anything about it in that thread a while back about how often to change the grinder water. I can't figure out where he got that little tiny tap though. Hardware stores don't seem to carry them. Katie. -Who wants to remind everyone that this post is purely hypothetical, of course, since none of us use our grinders anymore, do we? ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 02:05:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:03:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Silver backing on coloured glass? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:20:45 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.32045.0> Precedence: bulk Well I'm just full of questions today, aren't I? I'm doing a repair/restore on a cupboard window, which is quite old apparently. The fellow who owns it can't give me exact year, but somewhere between 50-100 years old (helpful!) Anyway, there are a few pieces, some are orange textured, some are clear textured, that have a silver backing paint very similar to a mirror. Now, my customer wants me to restore this paint if I can, since it's chipping and flaking away, and I've never seen it before. Is there some kind of silver paint to be used for this sort of thing? I say it's like a mirror because the silver metallic appears through the glass when you look at it from the front, but when you look at it from the back-side, it appears just as normal grey paint would, not metallic. Any ideas? TIA Katie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 02:13:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:32:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: another 3d sculpture lamp Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:31:04 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.4314.0> Precedence: bulk for those who loved those 3d lamps, I just found another one at http://www.powellbrosglassart.com/Fantasy.html It's a dragon kt ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 02:44:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:43:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: another 3d sculpture lamp Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:43:04 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.4434.0> Precedence: bulk for those who loved those 3d lamps, have you seen the dragon at http://www.powellbrosglassart.com/Fantasy.html I love the little gargoyle at the bottom of the page - is it spooky or what? There's also some beaut boxes at this site. kt ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 05:17:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:49:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: scratches Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:45:30 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.114530.0> Precedence: bulk Where is Suzanne of Doylestown or Suzy? I also missed seeing some scratches on glass and was disgusted because to me they really stood out on the piece. I think that Suzy told me to put a teeny- tiny bit of clear nail polish in the scratches. Was that it Suzy? At any rate, it made the scratches much less visible and was worth the short amount of time it took to carefully apply the nail polish. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 05:33:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:28:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Suzanne'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: NG help with happy99? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:30:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.13045.0> Precedence: bulk I had no problems cleaning th happy.exe virus off my computer but I have heard that it has "mutated". In other words, the happy.exe by itself was harmless but anoying. But that the virus was capable of carrying payloads more harmful with it. You may want to search the web to see what is new about the virus. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne [SMTP:gunnx4@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:37 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: NG help with happy99? I informed my mother tonight she had the happy99 worm...sent her to a couple of websites. She is having trouble, and cant get any response on her computer. Those of you that went through the happy 99 and cleanup...did you experience any problems? I told her it may just be coincidence.. but that isnt much consulation. Any ideas? T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 07:03:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:30:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Silver backing on coloured glass? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:55 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.132955.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/23/99 5:06:09 AM, ktsplash@mpx.com.au wrote: >Anyway, there are a few pieces, some are orange textured, some are clear >textured, that have a silver backing paint very similar to a mirror. Now, my >customer wants me to restore this paint if I can, since it's chipping and >flaking away, and I've never seen it before. Mirror plating sometimes does deteriorate and flake off. I suspect your best bet is to take the pieces to a commercial glass and mirror place and see what's involved in having them replated. >Is there some kind of silver paint to be used for this sort of thing? I say >it's like a mirror because the silver metallic appears through the glass >when you look at it from the front, but when you look at it from the >back-side, it appears just as normal grey paint would, not metallic. The back color doesn't matter; it's just a protective layer of paint. If it looks like a mirror, walks like a mirror, quacks like a mirror, etc......... Sparks (who recently "inherited" a couple of oddball pieces of mirrored glass -- one a glue-chip, the other a floral texture -- from my "significant mother's" best friend) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 07:41:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:30:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Reinforcing small panel Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:53 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.132953.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/22/99 1:08:08 PM, computerministry@unitytustin.org wrote: >From what I have read in the list, a product called "Re-Strip" is used to >reinforce foil panels that exceed a certain size. Now that elusive certain >size seems to be a matter of opinion,,, > >I have seen this product at the store, and it looks like flattened copper >wire (and is expensive). Is it possible to make your own "al la re-strip", >and if it is, what gauge of wire might you use? It might be possible to make your own, but only if you've got your own metalworking tools. Some folks do use wire for reinforcement (especially in lamps), but Re-Strip (or Strong Line, an even stronger copper-plated [steel? I forget] for bigger panels) in a flat panel has 2 advantages: (1) it goes inside the solder joints, so it's invisible (2) unlike wire, it doesn't bend "crosswise," so it really works to stiffen your panel. OTOH, if you go with a good sturdy oak frame (which you're already considering), that's all the support you need for something that size (16"). And it will look fabulous...... nothing but the best for your mom! Sparks p.s. it's not a good idea to send attached files to mailing lists. They gum up some people's computers. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 07:53:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: ctombro@infoave.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: No messages today? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:52 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.132952.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/22/99 9:02:59 PM, ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: >Is everyone scoring today? No posts coming through here; only one >person, and of the 3 he's sent, they're all blank. Anyone else having a >problem? Of course if you are, you won't get this one (g). No problems on this end. Maybe something's funky with your ISP's mail gateway. For some reason it seems to be a fairly common occurrence. (Christie had a blank-mail day last week; only fellow Compuserve members' messages sent directly to her were getting through intact.) Is it just bungi messages that are going AWOL or getting messed up, or is it everything? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 07:58:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:31:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:58 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.132958.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/22/99 8:37:17 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com wrote: >I still say he casts a negative mold, whether he uses a ceramic >original or not. Then he builds in sections *inside the negative... >then the sections are assembled. I'm inclined to think Dani is right (except for the really small-diameter stuff like Jesus's arms in the crucifixion piece). Building from the inside is the "easiest" way to get an even surface on a 3-D piece. For that matter, the same goes for flat panels; if you've got a lot of varying thicknesses of glass, your finished product will look infinitely better if you lay it out face down and solder the back first. While leafing idly through a catalog the other day, I saw a line of lamp molds designed for assembly on the inside of the mold. Any of you lamp mavens out there ever use one? What did you think? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 08:05:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:32:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 1 reostat/2 irons? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:50 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.132950.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/22/99 12:14:02 PM, lcbell@memach.com wrote: >If I put a splitter plug in the reostat and plug in both >irons, will they each get half the current or is the reostat going to work >double time keeping up with both irons? I don't want to ruin anything. You could end up with two not-hot-enough irons, an overloaded rheostat, or both. If you're going to have 2 irons running, better to invest in a second rheostat. OTOH, why are you running two irons at once, anyway? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 08:18:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:32:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: grannyandpawpaw@tricountyi.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: very sad news Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:29:57 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.132957.0> Precedence: bulk >To all Arnold's friends at Bungi. > > Arnold died Friday, March 19, 1999 from complications from surgery. In >spite of the valiant efforts made by the doctors he never regained >consciousness. He did not suffer. He is now making stained glass stars and >angels in heaven. Keep watching for new constellations. The Glass >Dipper would not surprise me at all. > >Thanks to all in Bungi for being wonderful e-mail pals with my husband. >He enjoyed your conversations, thoughts, ideas, and most of all your sense >of humor. > >My love to all of you. > >Mary Anne Schneider I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. Your hubby was a very special guy. I and mine will keep you and yours in our prayers. May the God who gave him a peaceful ending give you comfort and strength. CCW Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 08:29:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nettally.com!gypsy2 From: "Sandy Gustafson" To: Subject: NG--New Email address Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:44:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.34412.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Suzanne, I am having a great time in Panacea. Still have allot of boxes to unpack. We are beginning to see the light in setting up our home. I haven't been able to work with my glass as yet. My studio is not quite ready. Soon I hope. I am going through glass withdrawal and it really hurts. LOL Sandy G. Be kind to everyone, because everyone is having a hard time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 08:41:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:31:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: <199903231428.JAA14623@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk 3/23/99 2:59 AM ktsplash ktsplash@mpx.com.au >All, >thought you might be interested in a cunning little invention my teacher has >come up with. It sounds intriguing but I have one question - isn't it dangerous to let the grinder sit in a tub of water? Does your teacher have it hooked up to a ground fault interrupter? I have mine sitting on a Morton cutting board to contain any oversplash - try to keep it dry, though, by immediately soaking it out with sponges. Hypothetical, of course! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 08:53:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:37:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Bungi" Subject: L.A. area Teacher Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:36:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar22.223631.0> Precedence: bulk Hi y'all... I'm at that stage where I want to do some serious studying... anyone know of ways to learn in the Los Angeles, California area? I'm into stained glass - but would also like to learn some of the kiln based methods to incorporate into my work. Thanks for any leads.... Alan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 09:22:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:34:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Silver backing on coloured glass? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:30:31 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.153031.0> Precedence: bulk Why not just get a piece of mirror and cut it out and solder it to the back of the piece of mirror that is chipped? It might even give a more interesting effect. If you don't like the effect, you can always remove all of the silver backing and solder a piece of mirror behind the original piece. In that way, you should not get a distortion. Sparks had a good idea. I don't know though, what it would cost to have the piece remirrored nor would I feel good about trusting a company with the piece that belongs to a client. IMHO. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 09:52:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:05:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No messages today? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.6549.0> References: <<1999Mar23.132952.0>> Precedence: bulk I've been getting all kinds of blank messages for the past week or so (only on bungi). I know absolutely nothing about computers and don't have a clue if it's something I can remedy on my end. Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/22/99 9:02:59 PM, ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: > > >Is everyone scoring today? No posts coming through here; only one > >person, and of the 3 he's sent, they're all blank. Anyone else having a > >problem? Of course if you are, you won't get this one (g). > > No problems on this end. Maybe something's funky with your ISP's mail gateway. > For some reason it seems to be a fairly common occurrence. (Christie had a > blank-mail day last week; only fellow Compuserve members' messages sent > directly to her were getting through intact.) Is it just bungi messages that > are going AWOL or getting messed up, or is it everything? > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 10:28:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:06:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientside-viennasys.com!sfairbairn From: Steve Fairbairn To: 'Stained Glass Mailing List' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Soldering experience... Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:08:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.189.0> Precedence: bulk Soldering electronics is quite a bit different than soldering glass! With the exception of large heatsinks, NEVER use an iron greater than 30W unless it is temperature controlled to 600F. Larger irons will melt wires, cables & connectors, damage IC's and lift the traces right off of a circuit board. Also, use an acid-core solder. No need for flux if you use the right solder. Soldering technique is also quite different as the techniques employed in stained-glass soldering would result in "cold solder" joints in electronics. Just my $0.02 worth.... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Daniel M. German [mailto:dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca] Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 6:25 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Soldering experience... Febrary 15, 1998 Hi everybody, this is not about glass, it is about computers, but involves glass. And involves soldering... well, that is common in electronics, right? So why stained glass. Keep reading, this will turn pyro.=20 Last weekend I visited a friend of mine. He was all excited with his new videocard and showed me a large number of games. This fellow is game addicted! So the new board was useless to him. A recently state-of-the-art card, with 4 megs of memory and 2D processing. The perfect card for a home desktop, IMHO. So I took it home. My franky monster --as I lovely refer to my computer-- has been assembled from given, used and new parts alike. It is a --now-- slow Pentium 120 (overclocked to 133Mh!) and I am thinking about upgrading its power, so I can play my MP3 (encoded music files, which are become the buzzword on the Internet) and do real work at the same time (like number crunching). Franky's motherboard was a gift. So I decided to put it apart. It is amazing --even for a computer scientist like me-- to see the computer parts. They are unbelievable --specially since I have been in the industry/area for almost 15 years. Anyways, I got no info. The motherboard does not have any trace of who its manufacturer is --common in cheap computer parts. Time to put everything back together.=20 Unfortunately, when I was connecting one hard disk, a cable broke from the connector. No big deal. It was a special connector to be able to plug a laptop drive --my old laptop's hd-- to a desktop, whose connectors don't match --I hate cables in computers. Anyways, this connector is a little piece of board with 20 something connectors on each side plus 2 connectors to the power supply. One of the latter was th= e one broken.=20 I took the connector to my hobby table, and when I plug the soldering iron in, it gives up with some smoke. Mmm, time to get a new one. But I had to put my computer back together. =A1Eureka! Use the stained glass iron. I look at the connector. With no electronics, it is safe to use the extra hot iron --was my reasoning-- as long as I am careful. On top of that, I decide to use stained glass acid. It works wonderfully well, believe me. Done. I test everything with a voltmeter. Ready to plug things back. Once I end putting the machine together, I start to try it. The CD does not seem to be connected. I try again. By now, the computer is laying in front of me, horizontal and wide open. I plug the CD in, and it seems to be ok. The machine starts its booting sequence. Suddenly the hard disk seems to have problems. Mmm,=20 Suddenly a acrid smell. Yes, you got that right! Smoke coming out of the computer and several sparkles. Fortunately I am close, my mouth blows air and my hand reaches the power supply. "Scotty, report damage!"=20 "Major damage in the harddisk connector. The HD might be useful, but we need a new adapter to test it --CAN$30. Since the HD is 1.4 G, it is not worth buying one to test it. The remainder of the computer is in good condition, captain". We were lucky! :) The forensics department kicked in. Quincy claimed it might have been the acid in the flux --which was not completely cleaned-- what caused the problem. The acid is conductive and it overheated, melting the connector. I still don't know whether the harddisk works. Nonetheless, three weeks later I upgraded its modem and overclocked the C= PU.=20 I learned my lesson, do not use SG flux in electronics. -- Daniel M. German "War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is _controlled_ violence for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's R. Heinlein -> decisions by force." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 11:07:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:42:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 1 reostat/2 irons? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:43:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.74311.0> Precedence: bulk Haven't actually run two irons on the same reostat, just curious. I have needed them both at the same time or at least on ready call. One for the usual soldering, the other for very fine stuff, like attaching small gage wire to itself and to solder seams. Quess I just keep them both plugged in separately. Thnaks for all the suggestions, which by the way, ran the full gamut of MBTI in approaches. :) Linda -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [SMTP:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 8:30 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 1 reostat/2 irons? In a message dated 3/22/99 12:14:02 PM, lcbell@memach.com wrote: >If I put a splitter plug in the reostat and plug in both >irons, will they each get half the current or is the reostat going to work >double time keeping up with both irons? I don't want to ruin anything. You could end up with two not-hot-enough irons, an overloaded rheostat, or both. If you're going to have 2 irons running, better to invest in a second rheostat. OTOH, why are you running two irons at once, anyway? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 12:11:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:28:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "ktsplash" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Stained glass mags? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:26:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.82636.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "ktsplash" > Hi all, I was wondering if you can give me your suggestions for what the best stained glass magazine is.< Well, of course the magazine "Common Ground:Glass" is the best!! It's complimentary 4x a year with your membership to the International Guild of Glass Artists. Sample some of the articles at www.igga.org. ;-D Best, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 12:33:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:04:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ticnet.com!rjlcon From: "Jak N Wolfy" To: "ktsplash" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Stained glass mags? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:10:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.71041.0> Precedence: bulk Katie, Try Glass Patterns Quarterly. Lots of how-tos, has patterns in it , tool tips, etc. they have a web,,, www.glasspatterns.com . I've gotten this one for years. It's only quarterly but I think worth it for lead and foil. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: ktsplash To: Bungi List Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 3:42 AM Subject: Stained glass mags? >Hi all, I was wondering if you can give me your suggestions for what the >best stained glass magazine is. >It appears I have to order directly from overseas, since none of the >newsagents here stock any, or even know of any, and I don't particularly >want to fork out heaps of money for a 12 mth subscription on a mag sight >unseen. >I'm not into hot glass (yet) so emphasis would be more on lead and copper >foil techniques, lots of pictures (I love glossies!), and patterns maybe. >Any suggestions? >Much appreciated, >Katie > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 13:18:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:31:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Soldering experience... Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:26:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.32636.0> Precedence: bulk Most all fluxes sold for soldering stained glass are acid based. They are strong and do the job well Acid based solder must not be used for electrical soldering because it can be conductive of electricity and short out the soldered item as well as cause corrosion. Rosin based fluxes are suitable for electrical soldering. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 13:39:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:19:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: ktsplash@mpx.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Silver backing on coloured glass? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:17:37 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar23.201737.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/23/99 2:06:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, ktsplash@mpx.com.au writes: << Any ideas? TIA >> On one of the tv craft shows, they were doing their own silvering and gold leafing. It didn't look that difficult. On the mirrored section you could see the seams of the silver sheets. This gave kind of a renaissance look that everyone might not care for. Basically you laid on a special gilding liquid, then a sheet of silver leaf, when the surface was finished, they used a paint to seal everything. You may want to check at a craft center for more information, or on the net. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 14:08:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:20:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!normglass From: norm hanson To: Swinger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No messages today? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:31:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar23.23133.0> Precedence: bulk ================================================ Empty messages used to happen to me sporadically on a different ISP and after lots of correspondence about the problem, I was told it was "my guy's" problem, not Bungi's. So, I put up with it, and, sure enough, I am now on a different ISP and it doesn't happen to me at all...... I forgot about the "problem" entirely, until this message... I still don't know the solution, though!!! (Move to a different city, like I did???) ================================================= --- Swinger wrote: > I've been getting all kinds of blank messages for the > past week or so (only on > bungi). I know absolutely nothing about computers > and don't have a clue if it's > something I can remedy on my end. > > Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/22/99 9:02:59 PM, > ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: > > > > >Is everyone scoring today? No posts coming > through here; only one > > >person, and of the 3 he's sent, they're all blank. > Anyone else having a > > >problem? Of course if you are, you won't get this > one (g). > > > > No problems on this end. Maybe something's funky > with your ISP's mail gateway. > > For some reason it seems to be a fairly common > occurrence. (Christie had a > > blank-mail day last week; only fellow Compuserve > members' messages sent > > directly to her were getting through intact.) Is it > just bungi messages that > > are going AWOL or getting messed up, or is it > everything? > > > > Sparks > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 14:10:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:29:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Merry Go Round Glass Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:23:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.82349.0> Precedence: bulk Once again, I am desperate! I am in need of somebody that might have tucked away in a scrap bin a piece of glass manufactured by Merry Go Round (now out of business). While I am searching for an exact number, I can describe it as amber in color with what looks like a slight granite texture to it. I am in the process of making a lamp (that I may not have enough years in my lifetime left to complete.) Touchier in style, on a hand made wooden form, with an all over floral pattern to it. I am just part way into it, using the amber color for small background fill in pieces, and the more I look at it, the more I think I may not have enough of the above glass to finish. My options at this point are to (1)start over and recut the 12 or so pieces I already have done using something else,(2) mix in an additional glass for the filler pieces, or (3) begin praying to the glass "gods" that somebody has some of this tucked away, or possibly there are several out there that have the old sample boxes and would be willing to sell me the one I need. Hope you will keep me in mind when you are doing your "Spring House Cleaning" More on this project as I progress. Sue (in Mpls.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 14:47:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:26:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: ktsplash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Silver backing on coloured glass? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.112648.0> References: <<1999Mar24.32045.0>> Precedence: bulk ktsplash wrote: > > Well I'm just full of questions today, aren't I? > I'm doing a repair/restore on a cupboard window, which is quite old > apparently. The fellow who owns it can't give me exact year, but somewhere > between 50-100 years old (helpful!) > Anyway, there are a few pieces, some are orange textured, some are clear > textured, that have a silver backing paint very similar to a mirror. Now, my > customer wants me to restore this paint if I can, since it's chipping and > flaking away, and I've never seen it before. > Is there some kind of silver paint to be used for this sort of thing? I say > it's like a mirror because the silver metallic appears through the glass > when you look at it from the front, but when you look at it from the > back-side, it appears just as normal grey paint would, not metallic. > Any ideas? TIA > Katie > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's colored mirror. the only things i can think of is: A - find a matching colored mirror to replace it. B - Have it re-mirrored C - strip off old mirror, and cut a piece of normal mirror and laminate it on the back. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 15:11:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:42:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientside-viennasys.com!sfairbairn From: Steve Fairbairn To: 'Stained Glass Mailing List' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Soldering experience... Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:25:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.52554.0> Precedence: bulk Just noticed an error in my previous posting. Solder should be rosin-core, not acid-core. Big difference.... -----Original Message----- From: Steve Fairbairn [mailto:sfairbairn@clientside-viennasys.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:08 AM To: 'Stained Glass Mailing List' Subject: RE: Soldering experience... Soldering electronics is quite a bit different than soldering glass! With the exception of large heatsinks, NEVER use an iron greater than 30W unless it is temperature controlled to 600F. Larger irons will melt wires, cables & connectors, damage IC's and lift the traces right off of a circuit board. Also, use an acid-core solder. No need for flux if you use the right solder. Soldering technique is also quite different as the techniques employed in stained-glass soldering would result in "cold solder" joints in electronics. Just my $0.02 worth.... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Daniel M. German [mailto:dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca] Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 6:25 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Soldering experience... Febrary 15, 1998 Hi everybody, this is not about glass, it is about computers, but involves glass. And involves soldering... well, that is common in electronics, right? So why stained glass. Keep reading, this will turn pyro.=20 Last weekend I visited a friend of mine. He was all excited with his new videocard and showed me a large number of games. This fellow is game addicted! So the new board was useless to him. A recently state-of-the-art card, with 4 megs of memory and 2D processing. The perfect card for a home desktop, IMHO. So I took it home. My franky monster --as I lovely refer to my computer-- has been assembled from given, used and new parts alike. It is a --now-- slow Pentium 120 (overclocked to 133Mh!) and I am thinking about upgrading its power, so I can play my MP3 (encoded music files, which are become the buzzword on the Internet) and do real work at the same time (like number crunching). Franky's motherboard was a gift. So I decided to put it apart. It is amazing --even for a computer scientist like me-- to see the computer parts. They are unbelievable --specially since I have been in the industry/area for almost 15 years. Anyways, I got no info. The motherboard does not have any trace of who its manufacturer is --common in cheap computer parts. Time to put everything back together.=20 Unfortunately, when I was connecting one hard disk, a cable broke from the connector. No big deal. It was a special connector to be able to plug a laptop drive --my old laptop's hd-- to a desktop, whose connectors don't match --I hate cables in computers. Anyways, this connector is a little piece of board with 20 something connectors on each side plus 2 connectors to the power supply. One of the latter was th= e one broken.=20 I took the connector to my hobby table, and when I plug the soldering iron in, it gives up with some smoke. Mmm, time to get a new one. But I had to put my computer back together. =A1Eureka! Use the stained glass iron. I look at the connector. With no electronics, it is safe to use the extra hot iron --was my reasoning-- as long as I am careful. On top of that, I decide to use stained glass acid. It works wonderfully well, believe me. Done. I test everything with a voltmeter. Ready to plug things back. Once I end putting the machine together, I start to try it. The CD does not seem to be connected. I try again. By now, the computer is laying in front of me, horizontal and wide open. I plug the CD in, and it seems to be ok. The machine starts its booting sequence. Suddenly the hard disk seems to have problems. Mmm,=20 Suddenly a acrid smell. Yes, you got that right! Smoke coming out of the computer and several sparkles. Fortunately I am close, my mouth blows air and my hand reaches the power supply. "Scotty, report damage!"=20 "Major damage in the harddisk connector. The HD might be useful, but we need a new adapter to test it --CAN$30. Since the HD is 1.4 G, it is not worth buying one to test it. The remainder of the computer is in good condition, captain". We were lucky! :) The forensics department kicked in. Quincy claimed it might have been the acid in the flux --which was not completely cleaned-- what caused the problem. The acid is conductive and it overheated, melting the connector. I still don't know whether the harddisk works. Nonetheless, three weeks later I upgraded its modem and overclocked the C= PU.=20 I learned my lesson, do not use SG flux in electronics. -- Daniel M. German "War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is _controlled_ violence for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's R. Heinlein -> decisions by force." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 15:43:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:53:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unscribe Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:11:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.111120.0> Organization: QM Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hi Glenna, Please remove me from your Bungi list. I am having computer problems, and honestly havewn't enough time to download and read the messages. Thank You, Tim Byrnes tbyrnes@iconn.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 16:39:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:51:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: patio stepping-stones Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:55:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.65537.0> References: <<1999Mar19.153923.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Suzanne, You have me confused here. Are you cutting the contact paper around each piece of glass? And are you laying the contact paper on top of the finished glass work? If I read you right, that is why your glass is floating. Put your pattern on the bottom of the mold. Put the contact paper sticky side up and place the glass on that where the pattern underneath shows to. Stick it down once. When my glass floats, it is because I played around too much putting the glass on the contact paper. I beat the ____ out of my concrete, to get it to go into place and fill the mold smoothly. Only problem I have with this, is, if I have a long piece of glass then I break it. Hope that helps. Shirley B How do you know the long way of a Queen size comforter? > I want to add one thing.... > dont pound the table ...tap it. I am convinced that pounding is what > causes the glass to float. When I am more gentle with it, I get really > good results. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 16:51:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:52:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: ktsplash Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Silver backing on coloured glass? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:52:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar23.65237.0> References: <<1999Mar24.32045.0>> Precedence: bulk Katie: Is it possible that the glass is a mirrored glass? If so, a retailer might have such glass available. Not sure what size the piece or pieces are but you could probably check the retailer's samples to see if they would have access to the mirrored glass. Peggy On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, ktsplash wrote: > Well I'm just full of questions today, aren't I? > I'm doing a repair/restore on a cupboard window, which is quite old > apparently. The fellow who owns it can't give me exact year, but somewhere > between 50-100 years old (helpful!) > Anyway, there are a few pieces, some are orange textured, some are clear > textured, that have a silver backing paint very similar to a mirror. Now, my > customer wants me to restore this paint if I can, since it's chipping and > flaking away, and I've never seen it before. > Is there some kind of silver paint to be used for this sort of thing? I say > it's like a mirror because the silver metallic appears through the glass > when you look at it from the front, but when you look at it from the > back-side, it appears just as normal grey paint would, not metallic. > Any ideas? TIA > Katie > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 17:14:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:59:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How long should it take? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:04:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.7411.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk HI everyone, I am making terrariums(or however you spell it). Thank you Patrick for the patterns. I am currently working on one that is 19 pieces of glass and used 2/3 of a square foot. If I charge $1.50 per piece of glass that would be a wholesale price of $28.50, and a retail price of $57. No one is going to pay that. So I decided to charge by the hour. This is my question. The cuts are all straight and easy. I am a novice really and I want to know how long it would take you pros to make one. I can't charge by the hour and be as slow as I am. So I thought I would charge by the hour by how fast your are. Does that make sense. How much am I charging by the hour? You don't want to know.!!! Thanks Shirley B How do you get fuzz and lint out of velcro? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 17:14:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:27:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG help with happy99? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:48:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.34821.0> Precedence: bulk The happy99 worm by itself should not be causing the problem. However, since happy99 was designed to cross the boundaries of many types of viruses and/or worms, it has the capability to be carrying a dangerous payload. As I keep trying to warn people, do not open or run any .exe file you do not know. But since she already has it and maybe something else and maybe just a coincidence, my bit of soapbox standing above will not help much, so... If she is on Windows 95 or 98, did she create a start-up disk? If so, she should try booting off of that then go into safe mode. The start up disk should put her directly into safe mode. If it does not, or if she does not have a start up disk, she can get into Windows safe mode by holding down the key while windows is starting and the select safe mode from the menu which will appear. If Windows safe mode starts OK, this indicates that at least the basic computer is running. Now try safe mode from your hard disk start (without the start up disk). If you can do this you know your hard disk and core Windows is OK. I then usually try a menu boot ( during Windows start again), but this time try step by step confirmation to see if something is wrong with the drivers or configurations. Beyond that, troubleshooting gets more complicated. Contact me directly with more information and I will try to help if you are still having problems. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:17 PM Subject: NG help with happy99? >I informed my mother tonight she had the happy99 worm...sent her to a >couple of websites. She is having trouble, and cant get any response on >her computer. > >Those of you that went through the happy 99 and cleanup...did you >experience any problems? I told her it may just be coincidence.. >but that isnt much consulation. Any ideas? > >T Suz >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 17:30:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:10:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: blank messages Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.13940.0> References: <<1999Mar22.55450.0>> Precedence: bulk I read my mail with Netscape mail. When I can't see it, I go to View, Page Source. Scroll down and the html shows as text. Dorothy PS I don't do it all the time, so you'd better make your posts's title irresistable! Carol Tombro wrote: > I haven't been able to see, much less read, just about every post for > the past few days. I'm wondering if people are sending in mime and > that's the reason. Any suggestions? > > Carol T > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 17:32:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:20:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!normglass From: norm hanson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No messages today? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:16:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar23.7164.0> Precedence: bulk Actually, though, even though it seems to be an "ISP problem", it has only happened to me with Bungi messages, so there must be some sort of mutual mis-communication of some kind going on...........???? --- norm hanson wrote: > ================================================ > Empty messages used to happen to me sporadically on a > different ISP and > after lots of correspondence about the problem, I was > told it was "my > guy's" problem, not Bungi's. So, I put up with it, > and, sure enough, I > am now on a different ISP and it doesn't happen to me > at all...... I > forgot about the "problem" entirely, until this > message... > I still don't know the solution, though!!! > (Move to a different city, like I did???) > ================================================= > > --- Swinger wrote: > > I've been getting all kinds of blank messages for > the > > past week or so (only on > > bungi). I know absolutely nothing about computers > > and don't have a clue if it's > > something I can remedy on my end. > > > > Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 3/22/99 9:02:59 PM, > > ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: > > > > > > >Is everyone scoring today? No posts coming > > through here; only one > > > >person, and of the 3 he's sent, they're all > blank. > > Anyone else having a > > > >problem? Of course if you are, you won't get > this > > one (g). > > > > > > No problems on this end. Maybe something's funky > > with your ISP's mail gateway. > > > For some reason it seems to be a fairly common > > occurrence. (Christie had a > > > blank-mail day last week; only fellow Compuserve > > members' messages sent > > > directly to her were getting through intact.) Is > it > > just bungi messages that > > > are going AWOL or getting messed up, or is it > > everything? > > > > > > Sparks > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > > glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: > > glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 17:43:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:19:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Silver backing on coloured glass? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.141834.0> References: <<1999Mar23.201737.0>> Precedence: bulk JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/23/99 2:06:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, > ktsplash@mpx.com.au writes: > > << Any ideas? TIA >> > > On one of the tv craft shows, they were doing their own silvering and gold > leafing. It didn't look that difficult. On the mirrored section you could > see the seams of the silver sheets. This gave kind of a renaissance look that > everyone might not care for. > > Basically you laid on a special gilding liquid, then a sheet of silver leaf, > when the surface was finished, they used a paint to seal everything. You may > want to check at a craft center for more information, or on the net. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah but that would only work on the surface of the glass. you would be seeing it from the back, which looks a bit like glue. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 18:05:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:53:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: A good friend Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:53:34 -0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk So sorry to hear about Arnold. Truely, he made a difference in this world. And will be very much missed. Cindy Pesonen CJ Glassworks Namu Studio and Gallery. Savona, BC. Canada. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 18:52:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:20:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: patio stepping-stones Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:25:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.132535.0> References: <<1999Mar23.65537.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Suzanne, > You have me confused here. > Are you cutting the contact paper around each piece of glass? Shirley No, I cut the contact paper as close to the glass as possible around the perimeter of the design. My contact paper is on the glass and in the mold the same as yours, I just do it in a different way. I think the difference for your being able to pound is you use a thicker pour I believe. I have only had a bit of a float on a couple of stones, but none recently when I stopped pounding. I just vibrate it now. My concrete guy just vibrates also. I was moving it around too much when pounding. Tulsa Suzanne > And are you laying the contact paper on top of the finished glass work? > If I read you right, that is why your glass is floating. > Put your pattern on the bottom of the mold. Put the contact paper > sticky side up and place the glass on that where the pattern underneath > shows to. Stick it down once. > When my glass floats, it is because I played around too much putting the > glass on the contact paper. > I beat the ____ out of my concrete, to get it to go into place and fill > the mold smoothly. Only problem I have with this, is, if I have a long > piece of glass then I break it. > Hope that helps. > Shirley B > How do you know the long way of a Queen size comforter? > > I want to add one thing.... > > dont pound the table ...tap it. I am convinced that pounding is what > > causes the glass to float. When I am more gentle with it, I get really > > good results. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 19:13:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Scratches Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:54:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar23.95449.0> Precedence: bulk I really like the look of waterglass, and it cuts very easilly, also......BUT, it scratches so fast! Is there any connection between how easilly a glass cuts and how easilly it scratches? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 19:41:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:54:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: learning Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 18:53:24 Message-ID: <199903240154.SAA09674@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk >Even so, here are a couple of comments. Plaster of paris was a good choice for a mold material of convience. For a reusable mold I use clay that I roll out (with a rolling pin using two strips of 1/4" glass as guides) to 1/4" thick and then form by pressing a leaf or whatever into it. Let dry, fire to 1500'F or so, kiln wash and use forever more. A 25 pound block of fire clay costs about $8.00 and will make a bunch of molds. Bob, where do you get the 'fire clay'? I've gotten plaster but no clay.. also, is it porcelain clay or anything like that? I've also heard that one can 'find' a high heat resistant type of plaster, but so far have had no success there. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 19:57:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:04:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:53:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.95319.0> Precedence: bulk Did you try a fish store, ya know like a aquarium air valve? Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 -----Original Message----- From: ktsplash To: Bungi List Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 02:09 AM Subject: Interesting grinder contraption |All, |thought you might be interested in a cunning little invention my teacher has |come up with. Rather than use the stopper in his grinder, to keep the water |in, he puts a tray (about one and a half inches deep) underneath the |grinder which is raised on three lengths of wood in a U-shape, (the bottom |of the U at the back of the grinder). Attached to the rear end of the U is a |vertical piece of wood, which runs up the back of the grinder and about 6" |higher. at the top of this vertical piece is attached a wire circle, which |holds a plastic cup full of water - the cup sits almost directly above the |grinder head. Now at the bottom or the plastic cup, he's punched a little |tiny hole, inserted a plastic tube into it, and at the other end, a little |tiny spigot, which he can turn on and off, so the water trickles down |straight onto the grinder head and sponge. | |Because the water runs straight through the grinder reservoir, the reservoir |very rarely needs cleaning out all that powdery gunk (for the poll, that's |one of the jobs I hate the most!). You can adjust the spigot so it's running |just fast enough to keep the head clean, but slow enough that running out of |water isn't a problem. All you have to do is remember to check the water |level before and after grinding, and watch the tray so it doesn't overflow - |takes ages to fill, and it's much easier to lift away and tip out than |trying to scrape around the grinder head. | |I thought this was a very nifty little idea, what do you all think? Maybe |lots of people do this, but I've never seen it before, and I didn't recall |anyone saying anything about it in that thread a while back about how often |to change the grinder water. I can't figure out where he got that little |tiny tap though. Hardware stores don't seem to carry them. | |Katie. -Who wants to remind everyone that this post is purely hypothetical, |of course, since none of us use our grinders anymore, do we? ;-) | | | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 20:36:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:41:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:08:58 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1999Mar23.132958.0>> Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 3/22/99 8:37:17 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com wrote: > >>I still say he casts a negative mold, whether he uses a ceramic >>original or not. Then he builds in sections *inside the negative... >>then the sections are assembled. I was so impressed with these lamps I printed some out to show my glass teacher (who has no computer). She then showed me some pictures of very similar lamps from a company in Atlanta (I think she said). They were all so pretty - especially a swan lamp. Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 21:09:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:12:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: learning Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:30:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.133015.0> Precedence: bulk I will take a picture and scan it in, but I will only send to personal email addressess as bungians don't like to clog the air waves with large files. Give me a couple of weeks. I will let everyone know when the picture is available. I don't promise it will photograph well, but I will try to do it. cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 23 21:21:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:02:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: learning Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:59:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.115934.0> Precedence: bulk Clay for firing can be hard to find. Aaron Bros, an art supply chain, has it sometimes. Some ceramic shops have it and I would guess all pottery supply shops. A little work with the phone book should turn some up. Make sure the clay that you buy is ment for firing and not the kids stuff that is baked in a home oven. I have no experience with heat resistant plaster. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. -----Original Message----- From: Candy Thurman To: glass@bungi.com ; Bob E Duchesneau Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 5:55 PM Subject: Re: learning >>Even so, here are a couple of comments. Plaster of paris was a >good choice for a mold material of convience. For a reusable mold >I use clay that I roll out (with a rolling pin using two strips >of 1/4" glass as guides) to 1/4" thick and then form by pressing >a leaf or whatever into it. Let dry, fire to 1500'F or so, kiln >wash and use forever more. A 25 pound block of fire clay costs >about $8.00 and will make a bunch of molds. > >Bob, where do you get the 'fire clay'? I've gotten plaster but no clay.. also, is it porcelain >clay or anything like that? > >I've also heard that one can 'find' a high heat resistant type of plaster, but so far have >had no success there. > >Candy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 00:19:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:32:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" , Subject: Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:12:26 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.31226.0> Precedence: bulk The grinder doesn't actually sit in the water tray. Um I'm hopeless describing things like this. Take two pieces of wood about 2" x 2" x length of grinder from front to back. put them on the table at a distance apart of the width of the grinder, sit the grinder on them. the tray then goes between the pieces of wood underneath the grinder. That's the concept, of course he's got it all fixed to the table (not the tray) and it's very stable. katie -----Original Message----- From: suzy@comcat.com To: Bungi List Date: Wednesday, 24 March 1999 2:53 Subject: Re: Interesting grinder contraption >3/23/99 2:59 AM ktsplash ktsplash@mpx.com.au > >>All, >>thought you might be interested in a cunning little invention my teacher has >>come up with. > >It sounds intriguing but I have one question - isn't it dangerous to let >the grinder sit in a tub of water? Does your teacher have it hooked up to >a ground fault interrupter? > >I have mine sitting on a Morton cutting board to contain any oversplash - >try to keep it dry, though, by immediately soaking it out with sponges. > >Hypothetical, of course! > >Suzanne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 05:43:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:05:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Elleni Drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:50:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.225023.0> References: <> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk About a year ago a friend of mine picked up a 3d glass lamp for her kitchen. It was a "chicken", yes a chicken. She sent me pictures of it and it's not bad for $125. Seems it came by way of Mexico and looks to be about 18" long and maybe 12" high, I'm just going by the background of the picture so it may be off a bit. The place she bought it was a semi-antique store that had more 3d sg lamps in different shapes. Carol T Elleni Drafts wrote: > >In a message dated 3/22/99 8:37:17 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com wrote: > > > >>I still say he casts a negative mold, whether he uses a ceramic > >>original or not. Then he builds in sections *inside the negative... > >>then the sections are assembled. > > I was so impressed with these lamps I printed some out to show my glass > teacher (who has no computer). She then showed me some pictures of very > similar lamps from a company in Atlanta (I think she said). They were all > so pretty - especially a swan lamp. > > Elleni > ellenid@earthlink.net > South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 06:33:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:40:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Scratches Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:40:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1999Mar23.95449.0>> Precedence: bulk I used waterglass on my goof panel and had lots of trouble with it breaking wrong. I'm also having that problem with some glass I'm using now. I don't remember the brand name of my cutter, but it was about $25 and I've only used it 6 weeks or so (but I've used it a lot). How can I tell if something is wrong with my cutter or if it is the glass I'm using? I've been very careful to make sure I'm holding the cutter correctly, etc. >I really like the look of waterglass, and it cuts >very easilly, also......BUT, it scratches so fast! > >Is there any connection between how easilly a glass >cuts and how easilly it scratches? >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 08:52:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:40:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!ellenid From: Elleni Drafts To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Scratches Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:40:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1999Mar23.95449.0>> Precedence: bulk I used waterglass on my goof panel and had lots of trouble with it breaking wrong. I'm also having that problem with some glass I'm using now. I don't remember the brand name of my cutter, but it was about $25 and I've only used it 6 weeks or so (but I've used it a lot). How can I tell if something is wrong with my cutter or if it is the glass I'm using? I've been very careful to make sure I'm holding the cutter correctly, etc. >I really like the look of waterglass, and it cuts >very easilly, also......BUT, it scratches so fast! > >Is there any connection between how easilly a glass >cuts and how easilly it scratches? >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 10:39:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:14:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" , Subject: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:06:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar23.2369.0> Precedence: bulk Re: Interesting grinder contraption I can see it in mind, only I would most likely like to add a couple of things. 1st.) A very small fountain pump, with a aquarium air valve to control water flow to the grinding head. To recirculate the water, so that you are not constantly worrying about filling the top (cup) tank. (The aquarium air valve is a very small valve, used to control air flow in a fish tank. anywhere from full flow to a single bubble at a time. Pretty cheap too.) 2nd.) In the bottom tray, having what I think they might call a deep ripple board, to catch the glass particles, and let them sink to the bottom of the tray, for collecting later, for use in a glaze for ceramics. This board would allow the water to reach the pump free from glass particles, which would be murder on a pump impeller. Would most likely need a filter, such as a "coffee filter" screen at the pump intake. Or perhaps a sponge type of filter, filling one end of the bottom tray before the pump intake. Now I know from what I have read, that these things are not for the true breed of glass pro's, and that they only hypothetically exist, only there might be one somewhere, something like the above described, some day,,, Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 -----Original Message----- From: ktsplash To: Bungi List Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 12:29 AM Subject: Re: Interesting grinder contraption |The grinder doesn't actually sit in the water tray. |Um I'm hopeless describing things like this. Take two pieces of wood about |2" x 2" x length of grinder from front to back. put them on the table at a |distance apart of the width of the grinder, sit the grinder on them. |the tray then goes between the pieces of wood underneath the grinder. |That's the concept, of course he's got it all fixed to the table (not the |tray) and it's very stable. |katie |-----Original Message----- |From: suzy@comcat.com |To: Bungi List |Date: Wednesday, 24 March 1999 2:53 |Subject: Re: Interesting grinder contraption | | |>3/23/99 2:59 AM ktsplash ktsplash@mpx.com.au |> |>>All, |>>thought you might be interested in a cunning little invention my teacher |has |>>come up with. |> |>It sounds intriguing but I have one question - isn't it dangerous to let |>the grinder sit in a tub of water? Does your teacher have it hooked up to |>a ground fault interrupter? |> |>I have mine sitting on a Morton cutting board to contain any oversplash - |>try to keep it dry, though, by immediately soaking it out with sponges. |> |>Hypothetical, of course! |> |>Suzanne |>---- |>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 11:31:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:35:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: E-TOUR, schedule and other info. Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:34:49 -0800 Message-ID: <199903241634.IAA03643@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hello all. The etour is finally all organized...thanks to the hard work of fellow eteam members Pam Burns-Tappan, Lenore and Suzanne Albright and myself. To give a brief history for those new to bungi. Elisabeth Roberg (that's Elisabeth of Elisabeth'n'Toby) will be coming from England to the US this summer and will be featured guest at Glass Visions at Warner Crivallero, as well as holding a series of 2 day intensive workshops around the US. This has been dubbed the etour, and all began some time ago with an invitation from Charles and Marianne Warner from Warner-Crivallero to come to the US. This coincided with Elisabeth's long-held desire to bring stained glass artists in England and the United States closer together, and contribute to a sharing of knowledge, techniques and tools between the 2 countries. What began as a single visit to Warner-Crivallero underwent a spontaneous metamorphosis as bungi members from other parts of the US also wanted to meet Elisabeth, and Elisabeth wanted to visit personal friends in various locations. With no real intentions of doing a tour initially, Elisabeth graciously responded to this request from the group, and thus the e-tour was born. Elisabeth will be present throughout Glass Visions at Warner-Crivallero August 28 and 29 as a featured guest for people to meet and ask questions. Because of the huge amount of preparation and activity focussing on Glass Visions, Warner-Crivallero has chosen NOT to sponsor any in-depth workshops during Elisabeth's time with them. Some people wanted an opportunity to study in-depth with Elisabeth and learn about British lead came techniques from her, so the e-team has developed the following workshop locations in association with several glass retailers...Meredith Studios, Maryland; Summit Stained Glass, Missouri; Northwest Art Glass, Washington and location TBA, Florida. In England, Elisbeth's preparations are being sponsored by Samuel Whitbread College where she is a popular stained glass instructor; and many of her current students are busy making English-style tools to send to students in Elisabeth's US workshops. Workshop dates and locations are as follows: Meredith Stained Glass, Maryland Aug 14/15 and Aug 21/22 Summit Stained Glass, Missouri September 11/12 Northwest Art Glass, Washington September 18/19 TBA, Floria September 25/26 Complete details re: contact numbers for registration can be found on our web page at http://come.to/The_E-tour. We suggest you RUN, DO NOT WALK, to your chosen workshop location, as each store's regular customers will also be registering for the limited number of seats at each location. Finally, we would like to give three cheers to Warner-Crivallero for their part in sponsoring Elisabeth's visit and tour. Without their support since this project was a mere seed beginning to germinate, it is unlikely that Elisabeth's vision of joining together English and American glass artists would be fulfilled. Sincerely, Carol Swann (seaspray@island.net) Lenore Walsh (yegnim@aol.com) Pamela Burns-Tappan (ptap@pacifier.com) Suzanne Albright (suzy@comcat.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 11:31:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:35:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Scratches Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:34:44 -0800 Message-ID: <199903241634.IAA03604@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk > >I really like the look of waterglass, and it cuts >very easilly, also......BUT, it scratches so fast! Hmm, never really thought about that and don't know the technical answer. I would wonder more about how well you sweep your cutting bench off between cuts and how you're storing your glass...it's standing upright in bins, right? Are you looking over your sheets when you pick them up at your wholesalers to make sure they aren't scratched when you get them? I use an awful lot of waterglass and rarely find a problem in the sheets I use. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 11:56:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:41:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Please unsubscribe Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:33:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.13320.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 11:56:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:56:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Subject: glass easels (was:matching pattern in background glass) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:54:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.165420.0> References: <<1999Mar22.25353.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Tim mentions how he lays out his glass before going ahead to foil/lead. He does not indicate that the layout is on a light table. If the layout is of opalescent glass, no background light may be necessary (although my opinion is different ;-) ). Layout of cathedral glasses must have light behind, and a light table may be adequate, although it has a major drawback - you cant step back and see how it looks from a distance. It is for these reasons that a glass easel was developed. This is in essence a large sheet of clear glass to which the pieces are fitted and then placed in front of a window to see the glass in the natural light. The traditional method is to draw or paint the lead lines, or at least the heart on the glass, from the cartoon. (The glass being horizontal and on top of the cartoon at this stage). The glass is placed on the glass above the cartoon, and then has warm beeswax mixed with linseed oil poured between the pieces to form a temporary bond. When the beeswax is cool, the glass is elevated in front of a window. You can then see the colours in natural light, and move away to see the effects at a distance or move right up to the glass to see the detail. The latter is important when painting or other lines are to carry across the lead lines or foil lines. It also shows up any glass of the wrong colour, shade or tint, or texture. Having marked the pieces which need attention, the glass is lowered and the pieces removed by inserting a thin blade between the piece and the glass sheet, like a pallet knife to break the seal. I however use plasticene. It isn't as unobtrusive as the beeswax, but it is quicker to apply and simpler to remove. Simply put about 3 or 4 small dabs of plasticene at the edges of each piece to be attached and press gently, but firmly against the glass easel. This is an excellent way of seeing what you are making before you lead up and then see what you have done when you put the completed piece up to the light. This way you have no surprises at the end of the process - you already know what it will look like. If anyone wants information on making a glass easel, I will be happy to describe the two methods I have used. Steve In message <1999Mar22.25353.0@?>, Tim & Adriana Atwood writes >As a final step, I always lay out my glass pieces before final assembly. I >then walk away and look at something else for a bit. When I return, I make >sure I look at the whole piece and pay attention to how my eye flows across >the complete panel and what catches my eye first. Any problems with grain >matching or colour or overall design will "jump out" at me. If I am not >sure, I will ask someone else (usually Adriana) to come in and have a look. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 12:32:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:44:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Elleni Drafts'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Scratches Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.7466.0> Precedence: bulk This may not be your problem, but make sure you are cutting the waterglass on the smooth side. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Elleni Drafts [SMTP:ellenid@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 7:41 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Scratches I used waterglass on my goof panel and had lots of trouble with it breaking wrong. I'm also having that problem with some glass I'm using now. I don't remember the brand name of my cutter, but it was about $25 and I've only used it 6 weeks or so (but I've used it a lot). How can I tell if something is wrong with my cutter or if it is the glass I'm using? I've been very careful to make sure I'm holding the cutter correctly, etc. >I really like the look of waterglass, and it cuts >very easilly, also......BUT, it scratches so fast! > >Is there any connection between how easilly a glass >cuts and how easilly it scratches? >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Elleni ellenid@earthlink.net South Carolina - Smiling Faces - Beautiful Places ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 12:36:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:29:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vincent LaGreca" To: "Cindy Pesonen" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A good friend Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:29:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.7296.0> Precedence: bulk Especially sorry to hear about Arnold. He always gave his best advice and comments tempered with a little humor. We will add him to our prayers. Ciao Vic -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Pesonen To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:24 PM Subject: A good friend >So sorry to hear about Arnold. >Truely, he made a difference in this world. And will be very much missed. > >Cindy Pesonen >CJ Glassworks >Namu Studio and Gallery. >Savona, BC. Canada. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 12:55:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:04:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Grinding...weeks later Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:02:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990324100226.00992b50@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk The recent thread on the evils of grinding must have planted a seed. I just realized this morning that I'm grinding a *lot* less than I used to. It no longer seems like an inevitable step in the process. I'd like to thank the pros for the cyber-beating. Most effective was Dani, who threatened that I could never be her apprentice unless I gave up that dirty habit :-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 13:07:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:05:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Elleni Drafts" Subject: Re: Re:Scratches Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:03:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.2356.0> Precedence: bulk >>I used waterglass on my goof panel and had lots of trouble with it breaking wrong. I'm also having that problem with some glass I'm using now. I don't remember the brand name of my cutter, but it was about $25 and I've only used it 6 weeks or so (but I've used it a lot). How can I tell if something is wrong with my cutter or if it is the glass I'm using? I've been very careful to make sure I'm holding the cutter correctly, etc.<< Simple, take your cutter and the glass you are having a problem with to the seller and ask them to help you. I have never heard of a stained glass dealer not helping out by giving a few minutes of evaluation and instruction. After all, the more cutting success you have, the more you will be WANTING to buy supplies from someone that has the supplies and has proven helpfull. BTW, I have cut a lot of Spectrum waterglass and have never had a problem. It ranks among the easiest of glasses to cut. Another BTW, the two sides of waterglass are quite different in different lights and it is important to make sure that the odd piece is not inadvertantly cut on the wrong side. Waterglass cuts about the same on both sides. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 13:09:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:55:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Which glass saw is best? Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:53:58 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar24.185358.0> Precedence: bulk I know I've read in the past some strong opinions from owners of glass saws. I'd like to hear yours. I'm considering buying a saw and weighing the pros and cons between a GRYPHON DIAMOND BAND SAW and a TAURUS II RING SAW. I would use it for inside cuts on copperfoil panel pieces and possibly for garden stone glass pieces. However, I'm probably going to concentrate on commission side lights, doors and window leaded panels in the future. I've gotten along for a couple of years without the saw, but seems like it might be nice to have. Expensive, for sure. Your experience and advice is appreciated. 1) How useful is a glass saw in your opinion? For what specific types of projects or cuts is it most useful? 2) How do you compare the above two saws? Thanks much! Keith ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 13:39:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:02:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Elleni Drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re:Scratches Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:40:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.84035.0> Precedence: bulk Water glass is easy to cut and after only six weeks, even with constant use, your cutter should still be fine. Do you have enough oil-flow on th= e cutter? = Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 14:46:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:07:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: E-Tour Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:04:18 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199903242006.OAA13372@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Oh dear, I thought I was going to Allentown the first week in August. Now I have to decide whether I want to do Glass Visions or to attend one of the workshop sites. How about some feedback, bungis, on what you're planning. I know some of you regularly go to Glass Visions, so suspect that may be the place to meet the most bungis. What say you? Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 15:44:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:40:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: patio stepping-stones Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.103716.0> Precedence: bulk I don't use regular cement (too soft) or DiamondCrete (too expensive). I use a brand of rapid-set concrete called Rapid-Set. It's used for building airport runways, bridges, etc. Stands up to anything (it's held up very well through 4 freeze/thaw cycles here in Pennsylvania this winter). Is very smooth! Comes in grout (fine) and regular concrete (regular filler). Can be purchased through concrete contractors. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 16:39:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:55:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Soldering... Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <199903242159.QAA25288@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Steve> From: Steve Fairbairn Steve> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:08:09 -0800 Steve> Subject: RE: Soldering experience... Steve> Steve> Soldering electronics is quite a bit different than soldering glass! Steve> With the exception of large heatsinks, NEVER use an iron greater than Steve> 30W unless it is temperature controlled to 600F. Larger irons will melt Steve> wires, cables & connectors, damage IC's and lift the traces right off of Steve> a circuit board. Also, use an acid-core solder. No need for flux if you Unless you are extremely careful. Which I was. I knew I could use the deal extra heat for this particular soldering job. The problem is that I did consider the low electrical resistance of flux. And its ability to corrode copper. :( Steve> use the right solder. Soldering technique is also quite different as Steve> the techniques employed in stained-glass soldering would result in "cold Steve> solder" joints in electronics. Steve> Steve> Just my $0.02 worth.... Steve> Steve> Steve Steve> Steve> -----Original Message----- -- Daniel M. German "An intellectual is someone whose Albert Camus -> mind watches itself. " http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 19:10:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:55:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Soldering... Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <199903242159.QAA25288@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Steve> From: Steve Fairbairn Steve> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:08:09 -0800 Steve> Subject: RE: Soldering experience... Steve> Steve> Soldering electronics is quite a bit different than soldering glass! Steve> With the exception of large heatsinks, NEVER use an iron greater than Steve> 30W unless it is temperature controlled to 600F. Larger irons will melt Steve> wires, cables & connectors, damage IC's and lift the traces right off of Steve> a circuit board. Also, use an acid-core solder. No need for flux if you Unless you are extremely careful. Which I was. I knew I could use the deal extra heat for this particular soldering job. The problem is that I did consider the low electrical resistance of flux. And its ability to corrode copper. :( Steve> use the right solder. Soldering technique is also quite different as Steve> the techniques employed in stained-glass soldering would result in "cold Steve> solder" joints in electronics. Steve> Steve> Just my $0.02 worth.... Steve> Steve> Steve Steve> Steve> -----Original Message----- -- Daniel M. German "An intellectual is someone whose Albert Camus -> mind watches itself. " http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 19:11:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:04:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: barbara elmore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Scratches Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:04:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.12416.0> References: <<1999Mar23.95449.0>> Precedence: bulk barbara elmore wrote: > > I really like the look of waterglass, and it cuts > very easilly, also......BUT, it scratches so fast! > > Is there any connection between how easilly a glass > cuts and how easilly it scratches? > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah it's soft... but water glass will scratch faster because the peaks hit the table first. and the waves are softer (opposed to granite with a smaller surface area to be scratched). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-1-98 New Pages Added: 20 New Links in 3 Categories, The Brilliance Award is up, Updated the sample critique, Updated glass indentification too and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 19:16:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:13:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass easels (was:matching pattern in background glass) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:07:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.6717.0> Precedence: bulk Love the idea of a glass easel. Since I never apprenticed in a traditional stained glass studio, I sometimes have not been exposed to these ideas. The beeswax mixed with linseed oil seems a bit messy and time consuming though. Don't you need to clean it off later? Especially if you are going to be applying glass paints? I hate clean up and I will do anything I can to save from doing extra of it. I am going to check around and see if I can come up with a good translucent surface which either compresses slightly or is high friction. I should be able to get at least a 45 degree angle on it this way. I currently lay out on a light table and climb the ladder into the storage loft in my shop when I need to get a bit of distance. I find it important to look at the piece both with the lights on and off on the light table. I am often using textured glass to give the panel interest even when it is not back lit. Depending on the panel I often also side light the piece from different angles. On textured glass, the most glaring problems often show up with light from inside the room bouncing off the texture. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Richard To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Cc: Bungi Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:01 AM Subject: glass easels (was:matching pattern in background glass) >Tim mentions how he lays out his glass before going ahead to foil/lead. >He does not indicate that the layout is on a light table. If the layout >is of opalescent glass, no background light may be necessary (although >my opinion is different ;-) ). Layout of cathedral glasses must have >light behind, and a light table may be adequate, although it has a major >drawback - you cant step back and see how it looks from a distance. > >It is for these reasons that a glass easel was developed. .... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 19:39:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:47:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Classydad@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:47:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.94743.0> References: <<1999Mar24.185358.0>> Precedence: bulk > 1) How useful is a glass saw in your opinion? For what specific types of > projects or cuts is it most useful? > > 2) How do you compare the above two saws? > > Thanks much! > > Keith Hi Keith.. I too made the choive between the 2 saws you are comparing. I opted for the Taurus II ring saw. I like it. It has a bigger work surface, you can move the glass in *any* direction. With the gryphon you can only go one way and have to be careful to go straight. I tested them both, and was the most comfortable with the Taurus II ringsaw. What I want to add is, I use it *rarely*. I use it only for inside curves when I am afraid I am going to lose the peice. I also at times will draw my pattern peices on the glass closer together than I would normally be able to in order to conserve glass when I have a limited amount of an expensive glass, and cant risk losing any. I asked Arnold, and Mike Savad about it before I made my decision. My husband was convinced it would speed up production. It does not. Mike and Arnold both assured me it would not. My husband however was not convinced. He had me order it. I told him I did not really need it...and I dont. It is a luxury tool that my husband wishes he had not talked me into because now he sees that Arnold and Mike were right and he has seen how rarely I use it. When I do use it, I am glad I have it. (last night for instance) I bought mine in early December and have only used it for about 5 peices. I have cut alot of glass since December. I say if you can afford the luxury, go for it. Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 19:40:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:50:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Gone for a few days Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:47:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.114743.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone- Between work deadlines and computer glitches, I owe about everyone under the sun an email! I haven't forgotten any of you and will catch up with you in the next week or so. pj, Albert, and Elisabeth.... I've been out = of the studio and haven't been able to call at any kind of decent hour. I'l= l still check my mail, but if you really need my attention, make it a juicy= heading, as Dorothy would say! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 19:47:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:42:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Kaye Sodt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: E-Tour Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:48:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.114820.0> References: <<199903242006.OAA13372@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk My plan is to go to Glass Visions, and then do the E workshop at Meredith! I hope to meet as many bungians as I can! :o) Tulsa Suzanne Kaye Sodt wrote: > > Oh dear, I thought I was going to Allentown the first week in > August. Now I have to decide whether I want to do Glass Visions > or to attend one of the workshop sites. How about some feedback, > bungis, on what you're planning. I know some of you regularly go > to Glass Visions, so suspect that may be the place to meet the > most bungis. What say you? > > Kaye > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 20:06:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:46:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Need a retailer! :o) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:51:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.115131.0> Precedence: bulk In the #43 edition of Stained Glass News on page 3 there is a new book advertised called "Realistic Duck Decoys", by Stephanie Greene. I cant find it, and need to. Anyone going to carry it and want a customer? Please email me if you have it on the way, or you plan to. Tulsa Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 24 21:13:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:46:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: glass easels (was:matching pattern in background glass) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:45:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.17456.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tim & Adriana Atwood" > The beeswax mixed with linseed oil seems a bit messy and time consuming though.< We use beeswax mixed with rosin (bought a block from a music store -violin bow rosin) that's been pulverized, then heated together slowly.... the rosin makes the beeswax more tough and brittle, not so sticky and runny as just beeswax. Then we just roll little balls of it to stick the pieces of glass to the easel. It holds the glass to the easel for a long period of time... much longer than plasticene which has a tendency to fail especially if your window gets any heat at all. =46rom Arthur Louis Duthie's book, "Decorative Glass Processes", the following: "The quantities required are, roughly, about four parts of wax to one of rosin, varied according to the season - in summer more rosin... than in winter." Also from Duthie's book, "At this point it may be noted that artificial light is practically useless for glass painting, not being strong enough = to penetrate the color or broad enough to give the true effect. Direct sunlight, on the other hand, is too strong and is very trying to the eyes= From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 00:49:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:22:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 02:19:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.211958.0> References: <<1999Mar24.103716.0>> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians, My hubby and I are in the midst of redoing the bathroom....we have two large mirrors that are not really suitable for framing.....I was wondering..... Would it be possible to do a stained glass mosaic around these things using tile grout and adhesive? Needless to say....it will be all opaque glass and probably a pretty simple design (well...maybe not). Has anyone heard of thing being done? Thanks, Soraya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 02:58:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:34:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass easels (was:matching pattern in background glass) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:29:04 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.9294.0> Precedence: bulk >The beeswax mixed with linseed oil seems a bit messy and time consuming >though.< when we are just using the glass easel to help in glass selection or to confirm with the customer that they are happy with the window before we assemble, we use what in the UK is called Blutack - a product used to stick posters etc on walls without damaging the wallpaper when I was at college. Similar to but easier to use than plasticine I find. EliZabeth in Bournemouth ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 05:14:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:50:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!KSeeGlass From: KSeeGlass@aol.com To: studio@stainedglass.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass easels (was:matching pattern in background glass) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:47:52 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar25.114752.0> Precedence: bulk I just purchased a product called "Clear Museum Gel" from of all places QVC. A 6oz jar cost with shipping & VA tax $15.13. Item# L60929 This is what the product descriptions reads (abbreviated) "it does not appear sticky in the least. It feels gel-like instead. You can rollit, squeeze it & it does not make your fingers feel sticky. It really is a plastic liquid that is thixotropic (liquid that flows into a more solid thin film) It is a liquid that transform into a solid film over time to create a secure bond and is completely removable & reusable" I tried it & it does work. The only caution they state is prolonged heat. This was designed to be used with collectibles, so if we use it for our purposes the only adjustment I see is not to keep the SG in a window completely upright. If you need more info contact me personally. K See ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 06:43:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:10:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Meyda Tiffany, was Re: 3D Glass Site Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:02:55 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar25.13255.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/24/99 8:43:41 AM, ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: >About a year ago a friend of mine picked up a 3d glass lamp for her kitchen. >It was a "chicken", yes a chicken. A while back I saw a catalog that included some Christmas-themed figure lamps including a tree, a snow man, and an old-fashioned nutcracker. They were by "Meyda Tiffany." I'd never heard of this company, but from I was able to find on the web, it appears to be big in the novelty and "collectibles" market (I did find the rooster, among other things) in addition to making period reproduction lamps. Their headquarters is in upstate New York. Anyone out there know anything about them? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 07:12:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:17:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Misbehaving Waterglass? was Re:Scratches Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:10:22 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar25.131022.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/24/99 11:53:41 AM, ellenid@earthlink.net wrote: >I used waterglass on my goof panel and had lots of trouble with it breaking >wrong. I made a box out of Waterglass last week and had a bit of trouble with the pale amber. One of the inside curves didn't want to break the right way and I had to recut the piece. Then when I assembled the box, the "same" piece gave me the first heat crack I've ever had in over a year of screamin' hot soldering. I was surprised; usually it behaves very well. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 07:15:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:18:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:14:52 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar25.131452.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/25/99 3:50:35 AM, soraya@cros.net wrote: >My hubby and I are in the midst of redoing the bathroom....we have two large >mirrors that are not really suitable for framing.....I was wondering..... > >Would it be possible to do a stained glass mosaic around these things using >tile grout and adhesive? Sure, why not? Get creative and go for it! But be warned - you'll have half of the people who visit your home and have to use your bathroom clamoring for something like that! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 08:06:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:31:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sk.sympatico.ca!dbarker From: "The Barker Family" To: "Soraya" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:17:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.2179.0> Precedence: bulk >Would it be possible to do a stained glass mosaic around these things using >tile grout and adhesive > >Has anyone heard of thing being done? > Soraya - I had a friend who about 20 years ago used ceramic tile grout and adhesive to do her tub surround in glass and ceramic. She used chunks of stained glass, bottle bottoms, parts of a broken cup (I remember the handle sticking out of the mosaic, it was really neat) and small tiles. Unfortunately, I've lost touch with her... so I can't give you her methodology. But at least we know it CAN be done! Good luck, let me know how it goes! - Dawn Marie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 08:33:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:59:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Witchdoc3@aol.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Meyda Tiffany, was Re: 3D Glass Site Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:02:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.526.0> Precedence: bulk I researched them a while back myself because I had seen their stuff in the local Navy Exchanges.... Christmas trees, snowmen, cats, owls, frogs, turtles. There was so much of the stuff that it had to be mass produced, and not very well as you might expect (and I'm a novice) but I know how things ought to look. Not near the quality of the animals on the web site we recently discussed. There was a 3/8 in thick color catalog on one display. Lots of 3-d stuff...fwiw... Linda Campbell on the perimeter of the Great Dismal Swamp and ready to increase my beehive population this year A while back I saw a catalog that included some Christmas-themed figure lamps including a tree, a snow man, and an old-fashioned nutcracker. They were by "Meyda Tiffany." I'd never heard of this company, but from I was able to find on the web, it appears to be big in the novelty and "collectibles" market (I did find the rooster, among other things) in addition to making period reproduction lamps. Their headquarters is in upstate New York. Anyone out there know anything about them? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 08:55:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:18:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: Bud Britt , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:17:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.51723.0> References: <<1999Mar23.2369.0>> Precedence: bulk The Galstar "All Star" has a water pump. Mine never seems to work though. Does anyone else who has this grinder have any problems? > Now I know from what I have read, that these things are not for the true > breed of glass pro's, and that they only hypothetically exist, only there > might be one somewhere, something like the above described, some day,,, > > Sincerely, > Bud Britt > > Unity Church of Tustin > computerministry@unitytustin.org > http://www.unitytustin.org > 14402 South Prospect Ave. > Tustin, CA 92780 > 714-730-3444 > -----Original Message----- > From: ktsplash > To: Bungi List > Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: Interesting grinder contraption > > |The grinder doesn't actually sit in the water tray. > |Um I'm hopeless describing things like this. Take two pieces of wood about > |2" x 2" x length of grinder from front to back. put them on the table at a > |distance apart of the width of the grinder, sit the grinder on them. > |the tray then goes between the pieces of wood underneath the grinder. > |That's the concept, of course he's got it all fixed to the table (not the > |tray) and it's very stable. > |katie > |-----Original Message----- > |From: suzy@comcat.com > |To: Bungi List > |Date: Wednesday, 24 March 1999 2:53 > |Subject: Re: Interesting grinder contraption > | > | > |>3/23/99 2:59 AM ktsplash ktsplash@mpx.com.au > |> > |>>All, > |>>thought you might be interested in a cunning little invention my teacher > |has > |>>come up with. > |> > |>It sounds intriguing but I have one question - isn't it dangerous to let > |>the grinder sit in a tub of water? Does your teacher have it hooked up to > |>a ground fault interrupter? > |> > |>I have mine sitting on a Morton cutting board to contain any oversplash - > |>try to keep it dry, though, by immediately soaking it out with sponges. > |> > |>Hypothetical, of course! > |> > |>Suzanne > |>---- > |>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > |>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > |>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > | > | > |---- > |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 09:04:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:40:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Soraya Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:20:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.23208.0> References: <<1999Mar24.211958.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Soraya wrote: > > Dear Bungians, > > My hubby and I are in the midst of redoing the bathroom....we have two large > mirrors that are not really suitable for framing.....I was wondering..... > > Would it be possible to do a stained glass mosaic around these things using > tile grout and adhesive? Needless to say....it will be all opaque glass and > probably a pretty simple design (well...maybe not). > > Has anyone heard of thing being done? > > Thanks, > Soraya > > in a issue of SGN (seems to me within the past couple of years) there was a woman who tiled the wall above her bathtub and a man who did the backsplash in his kitchen with stained glass...they put the pieces in the kiln first to round the edges and make them look more "tiley" and they they set and grouted them just like you would regular tile....looked pretty nice. Hope this helps. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 09:13:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:43:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Bungi" Subject: Fw: E-Tour Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:43:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar24.234323.0> Precedence: bulk What is and Where is and When is Glass Visions? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Kaye Sodt Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: Re: E-Tour >My plan is to go to Glass Visions, and then do the E workshop at >Meredith! >I hope to meet as many bungians as I can! :o) > >Tulsa Suzanne > > > >Kaye Sodt wrote: >> >> Oh dear, I thought I was going to Allentown the first week in >> August. Now I have to decide whether I want to do Glass Visions >> or to attend one of the workshop sites. How about some feedback, >> bungis, on what you're planning. I know some of you regularly go >> to Glass Visions, so suspect that may be the place to meet the >> most bungis. What say you? >> >> Kaye >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 09:33:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:12:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Window project and a pattern Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: <199903251614.LAA25958@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, First of all, I want to make available a pattern to everybody in the list (and shortly on the web). It is a simple suncatcher of a funky Bluejay that people seem to like. Elisabeth is the happy (I hope) recipient of one of them. It is based on a character from a Remedios Varo drawing (for more info on Remedios http://csg.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/remedios). As usual, the pattern is not in the public domain but you can do whatever you want to it as long as you don't publish it yourself. If somebody uses xfig I can even give them the "source" so they can modify them (I am planning to use a licence similar to the General Public Licence in the software community: you can have the pattern, publish it and sell it, but you should release any further modifications you make to it and you should provide your customers with the "source" pattern so they can modify it if they want). Enough rubberish, the pattern is temporally available at: http://csg.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/temp/varo-bird.pdf and it is available in Acrobat format. The second topic of this message is a request for help. I have been petting with the idea of making a window. Now that my home computer is close to the south window and my computer gets some unwanted sun unless I put the blinds down, the need for the window is here. My restrictions are special: Size: 120x90 cm (4x3 ft). It must be "portable", hence, the day I move, the window comes with me. Copper foil with some potential wood framing. I have decided to re-make the "Magnolias and Irises" window, by Tiffany. Reasons: I don't want to design this window. The technical difficulties are good enough to on top add the "pattern design" difficulties. Second, I have the pattern, I have a photo and I like it: it has a nice foreground, a beautiful background, it is framed by the tree and it seems within my skills (please, don't laugh :) I have sketched my plan: http://csg.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/temp/window.jpg The red line delimits the window size. The yellow lines are strong support for the window. Maybe wood. The green ones are divisions. What do I mean for divisions? I want to be able to disassemble this window and, in case the windows in my next place are not the same size, the remake some of the side panels or reuse some panels in a room divider or something else. THat means that the panels are never soldered together. The green lines basically specify the panels for this window. I don't know which is the best way to put the panels together (I am asking for a bit of advice here). I'd like to hear some comments --good or bad, whether I am crazy or not, maybe suggestions to redivide the window, whether my ideas are structurally sound or not. I will probably do some glass etching to enhance the appearance of the glass. Since this is a hobby I don't have any deadline to meet. Thanks a lot, in advance to any suggestions. And let me know if somebody uses the pattern. The vase pattern in my web page has been used by several people --some in this list-- across the world. It is nice to hear they like it (big ego bust :) happy glassing -- Daniel M. German "There is no democracy in physics. We can't say that some second-rate guy has as much right to opinion. Luiz Alvarez -> as Fermi" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 09:54:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:16:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Meyda Tiffany, was Re: 3D Glass Site Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:09:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.0918.0> Precedence: bulk I get to see them twice a year at the Portland Gift Show.........The work they show is competitive with and equal to the rest of the crap that is touted to be "quality" stained glass lamps and other like leaded products.........As is most of the "imported shades", the solder is barely finished on the outside, grid or aperture rows are crooked, usually (but not always) the cheapest machine made glass is used, the 16" fly (a very popular one) is missing a fly, many of what used to be "traditional" shades have been shortcuted and the tuck row is often missing as well. The usage and transition of color is also not up to the quality of a carefully executed quality shade. This is just a brief post on how I see them............. ENJOY, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 10:14:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:15:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Meyda Tiffany, was Re: 3D Glass Site Date: 25 Mar 99 11:17:30 -0800 Message-ID: <199903251615.LAA15165@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk I've bought from them--the rooster and a baby chick sit on my kitchen counter. For a while, I carried some of their animal lamps--the turtle and cat and I can't recall which others. They all sold so fast that I didn't have that long to look at them. They are made in China and I think the workmanship is fine. I look at the rooster everyday and I don't think I could do better--and certainly not at that price. Nadine > **--------- Original Message follows... >In a message dated 3/24/99 8:43:41 AM, ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: >About a year ago a friend of mine picked up a 3d glass lamp for her kitchen. >It was a "chicken", yes a chicken. A while back I saw a catalog that included some Christmas-themed figure lamps including a tree, a snow man, and an old-fashioned nutcracker. They were by "Meyda Tiffany." I'd never heard of this company, but from I was able to find on the web, it appears to be big in the novelty and "collectibles" market (I did find the rooster, among other things) in addition to making period reproduction lamps. Their headquarters is in upstate New York. Anyone out there know anything about them? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 10:51:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:54:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Which glass saw is best? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.65258.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Classydad@aol.com >1) How useful is a glass saw in your opinion? For what specific types = of projects or cuts is it most useful? 2) How do you compare the above two saws?< IMHO, the Taurus II Ring Saw is the best of the lot. Why? It has the diamonds on all surfaces, hence you can cut in all directions, not just one directions. I use the ring saw for only about 5% of all cutting, and these are usually because: 1) the glass is being very difficult to cut using traditional methods and I am running out of glass and need to get pieces cut without any of them breaking wrong, or 2) I have a deep inside curve I want to cut. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 11:09:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:54:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: E-Tour Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:53:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.6538.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Kaye Sodt" >How about some feedback, = bungis, on what you're planning. I know some of you regularly go = to Glass Visions, so suspect that may be the place to meet the = most bungis. What say you?< I'll be there on Sunday, Aug. 29th. Probably sitting at the IGGA booth. Hope to see everyone there. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 11:22:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:54:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.65311.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Soraya" >Would it be possible to do a stained glass mosaic around these things using tile grout and adhesive? Needless to say....it will be all opaque glass and probably a pretty simple design (well...maybe not).< Yes, it's possible. Make sure you use water-proof glue such as my beloved GE Silicon II or Red Devil, and use bathroom tile grout. You can get pretty wild on designs as well. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 11:30:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:57:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Matching background glass Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:58:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.25844.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. After reading everyone's comments on matching glue chip background glass recently, I decided I needed to slow down and make a little better effort to match my glass. I always just rush through a panel to get to the enjoyment stage, and invariably there will be a spot or two that bothers me... You know, the old "I wish I had done it this way instead..." concept. So last night, I began cutting my first really big, really nice panel and the first one I plan to keep for myself. I really slowed down and took my time to do everything right. The background is clear baroque (boy, how do you spell that?!) and I laid the background pieces out on top of the pattern so the swirls would match up on every single piece. (I was so proud of myself!) Long story short--I managed to break the very last piece of background. It's a fairly big top right corner piece. Would you guys start from scratch and recut the entire background again, since this major piece will obviously not match up now? I don't see any other way if I want the swirls to match up... And I'm just sick about it... Advice, suggestions, or condolences anyone? Shari -- dejected and suicidal in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 12:07:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:26:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:22:48 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990325112248.00b17db0@atlas2.az.stratus.com> References: <<"1999Mar24.94743.0*"@MHS>> Precedence: bulk i happened to notice the ringsaw at my local glass shop and got to talking to one of the workers there. she told me a story about using a ringsaw that just put me off my feed, so to speak. she was making a panel lamp, and each panel was to be the same pattern, like a jigsaw with a wandering cut throughout the panel. she laminated all the sheets of glass together and was doing the cut through all 6 pieces. in doing so, she could switch the glass colors around, and it would appear as if each panel was made independently. however, after a while the tape holding the 6 pieces of glass started seperating. before she could stop, the top piece rode up slightly, binding the blade. it snapped. the ringsaw kept going, and since it pushes the blade through the motor all the time, as long as there was blade it kept going. a bandsaw blade will probably jump off the pulleys when it breaks. however, the blade kept going. through her finger. sideways. she said the rest of the blade (about 50% of it) passed through her finger, and she could see daylight through it for quite some time before it closed up. the doctor said that shrapnel was left in her finger, but the pieces were so small he wasn't able to get them all out. needless to say, she doesn't use this tool anymore. regards, charlie phx, az At 03:47 PM 3/24/99 -0600, you wrote: >> 1) How useful is a glass saw in your opinion? For what specific types of >> projects or cuts is it most useful? >> >> 2) How do you compare the above two saws? >> >> Thanks much! >> >> Keith > >Hi Keith.. > >I too made the choive between the 2 saws you are comparing. I opted for >the Taurus II ring saw. I like it. It has a bigger work surface, you >can move the glass in *any* direction. With the gryphon you can only go >one way and have to be careful to go straight. I tested them both, and >was the most comfortable with the Taurus II ringsaw. > >What I want to add is, I use it *rarely*. I use it only for inside >curves when I am afraid I am going to lose the peice. I also at times >will draw my pattern peices on the glass closer together than I would >normally be able to in order to conserve glass when I have a limited >amount of an expensive glass, and cant risk losing any. > > I asked Arnold, and Mike Savad about it before I made my decision. My >husband was convinced it would speed up production. It does not. Mike >and Arnold both assured me it would not. >My husband however was not convinced. He had me order it. I told him I >did not really need it...and I dont. It is a luxury tool that my >husband wishes he had not talked me into because now he sees that Arnold >and Mike were right and he has seen how rarely I use it. > >When I do use it, I am glad I have it. (last night for instance) >I bought mine in early December and have only used it for about 5 >peices. I have cut alot of glass since December. I say if you can >afford the luxury, go for it. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte -- Charles Spitzer Stratus Computer, Inc Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 12:33:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:24:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:21:58 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990325122158.00b91900@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk the impeller or the water channel gets crudded up. open up the pump and clean it out, and it should work ok unless the motor has burnt out because it was clogged. regards, charlie phx, az >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:17:23 -0500 >Subject: Re: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption >Sender: dayle@cyberbeach.net >From: dayle@cyberbeach.net >To: computerministry@unitytustin.org, > glass@bungi.com > >The Galstar "All Star" has a water pump. Mine never seems to work though. Does >anyone else who has this grinder have any problems? -- Charles Spitzer Stratus Computer, Inc Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 12:35:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:07:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:03:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.3330.0> Precedence: bulk >>The Galstar "All Star" has a water pump. Mine never seems to work though. Does anyone else who has this grinder have any problems?<< Make sure the impeller is seated all the way down on the grinder shaft. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 12:57:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:08:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Nadine Beth Schneider" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: a quakification FOR THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:08:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.382.0> Precedence: bulk the QUALIFICATION! FOR THE PRICE............ An $8,000.00 (appx.) kia or fiesta car is ABSOLUTLEY the best car you can get for the MONEY! BUT is it the best car? The general public will buy ANYTHING........unfortunately price seems to be the criteria that is first evaluated.........Happily, not for my work..........I can at least put a "good" product where my cynical outlook is........As one sees more and more quality work, they do begin to be a bit more discriminating, as for the ability to "buy" the best, sometimes just not possible. I have clients who have shopped for a very long time until they have decided they would not find more consistent quality work. Many of the commissions have gone to people who have shopped and held out for the quality they wanted not a "price". The decision to NOT COMPETE with $2 to $3 per week labor was not very hard to make. A million years or so ago, I used to be a wagon jobber( selling auto parts door to door) and my accounts were anywhere from a huge new car dealership to a small shade tree mechanic to a used car dealer. One used car dealer had the most varied pieces on his lot I had ever seen.......He summed up the world very clearly and succinctly....... "There is an ASS made for EVERY seat"........Need I say more? need I say more, I think NOT! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 13:02:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:39:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Window project and a pattern Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:36:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.33646.0> Precedence: bulk For a portable window 4' X 3' I very much like an oak frame 1 3/4" wide by 1" thick with a 1/2" rabbit for a lead frame on the window. Such oak frame stock is available as stock. I have resized windows without much difficulty and do not support making advanced provision for resizing due to the ease of which an ordinary window may be resized. The proceedure is simple: 1. Use a marker to draw the new size on the glass with the use of a ruller, 2. Use dikes to cut the lead that falls on the line on BOTH sides of the panel, 3. Score the glass as it falls on the line, 4. Place the score on the edge of the table and press down to run the scores, 5. Wiggle the piece up and down a few times to fatigue the lead and allow the pieces to be seperated. This method of resizing works amazingly well. It is possible to resize a large panel in a matter of minutes and unwanted breakage has not been my experience. Anyway, good luck with a beautiful design. I can just see German flashed antique in the sky and water. I would not make it as opaque as many Tiffany windows are. Bob >>The second topic of this message is a request for help. I have been petting with the idea of making a window. Now that my home computer is close to the south window and my computer gets some unwanted sun unless I put the blinds down, the need for the window is here. My restrictions are special: Size: 120x90 cm (4x3 ft). It must be "portable", hence, the day I move, the window comes with me. Copper foil with some potential wood framing. I have decided to re-make the "Magnolias and Irises" window, by Tiffany. Reasons: I don't want to design this window. The technical difficulties are good enough to on top add the "pattern design" difficulties. Second, I have the pattern, I have a photo and I like it: it has a nice foreground, a beautiful background, it is framed by the tree and it seems within my skills (please, don't laugh :) I have sketched my plan: http://csg.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/temp/window.jpg The red line delimits the window size. The yellow lines are strong support for the window. Maybe wood. The green ones are divisions. What do I mean for divisions? I want to be able to disassemble this window and, in case the windows in my next place are not the same size, the remake some of the side panels or reuse some panels in a room divider or something else. THat means that the panels are never soldered together.>> Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 13:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:05:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Matching background glass Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:01:22 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199903252003.OAA24929@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Shari-- Afraid it's time for mega condolences--and the suicide intervention hotline! I'm sure most of us have "been there, done that." And probably the only thing is to start from scratch (I always start with the hardest piece and work toward the easiest but, of course, there's nothing to guarantee that the "easiest' piece won't be the one to break). If you weren't keeping the piece for yourself I'd suggest careful consideration of whether the "boo-boo" is obvious to everyone or just to you. But because you're going to live with it, even if nobody else could see it, it would always bother you. Besides, you'll feel great when you get it just right! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 14:07:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:14:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Matching background glass Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:12:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990325131254.009af520@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar25.25844.0>> Precedence: bulk At 09:58 AM 3/25/99 -0700, Shari Higbee wrote: > >Advice, suggestions, or condolences anyone? Condolences? Definitely! > >Shari -- suicidal in SLC Advice? Don't do it!!!!!! Seriously, since it's a corner piece that broke your curve-matching problem is easier than if it had been a piece in the middle. I wonder if you might be able to find another sheet that almost matches across the touching edges? I think you may have read a little too much into the pattern matching discussion. I don't think anyone was saying you have to ensure continuity of the detailed glass pattern across the joints. I heard a milder requirement: just make sure you pay attention to the orientation of pieces when cutting glass that has a noticeable grain direction. Would I start over? Depends on what I was trying to achieve. If the continuous background were a main element of the design, I'd bite the bullet. If I were just doing the background that way to see if I could, I'd first try exchanging a few other of the (smaller) background pieces with mismatches to draw the focus away from the one piece you broke. Ultimately, of course, only you know what will make you happy. Good luck, Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 15:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 3D Glass Site (Meyda) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:20:30 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar25.222030.0> References: <<1999Mar25.13255.0>> Precedence: bulk Ah finally something I know about. Meyda Tiffany is located in Utica,NY. Which is right near where I live in Upstate NY. The factory is located there and they have a retail store in Utica and in Old Forge. They do beautiful work and expensive, but as you said it's real novelty type items and lamps. I drool everytime I go past there store. Since it's strictly retail there is noone there to use as a resource or instructor. I continue to frequent my local Gregg's Stained Glass Studio in Herkimer, NY. The owner Bill Streeter spends so much time with each customer it's a pleasure to do business with him. He even lets people borrow equipment like cutters, sheers, books, etc. instead of making them buy everything. He knows that people will keep coming back. So I would rather do business with him then with Meyda's. Although I must say that the Meyda company is very well respected in the community and is often a sponsor of many charity events in our area. If any of you have the extreme pleasure of traveling the New York State Thruway (oh joy), it's not far off of the Utica exit 31. And if you do you're not far from me. I've never met any bungians and am very disappointed that I can't make any of the e-tour. My loss. That's all for now. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 16:05:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:53:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: E-Tour Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:51:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.125130.0> References: <<199903242006.OAA13372@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk (Apologies to whomever I sent a message regarding this that I mean to send to the list...I also managed to delete it from my sent mail. NOT a good day.) We expect to be at Glass Visons. Glad to know the dates, so I can start planning vacation. Dorothy Kaye Sodt wrote: > Oh dear, I thought I was going to Allentown the first week in > August. Now I have to decide whether I want to do Glass Visions > or to attend one of the workshop sites. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 16:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:05:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Charles Spitzer Subject: Re: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:29:23 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.212923.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19990325122158.00b91900@atlas2.az.stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk Someone on this list told me about a year ago how to make the impeller on the pump work. My apologies for not remembering who you are, but you know don't you? The impeller on the shaft below the grinder head, sometimes works up the shaft, rising above the water inlet for the channel to the top. Take off the girded cover and push the impeller down to the base of the water reservoir. Now it should work. Steve In message <3.0.6.32.19990325122158.00b91900@atlas2.az.stratus.com>, Charles Spitzer writes >the impeller or the water channel gets crudded up. open up the pump and >clean it out, and it should work ok unless the motor has burnt out because >it was clogged. > >regards, >charlie >phx, az > >>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:17:23 -0500 >>Subject: Re: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption >>Sender: dayle@cyberbeach.net >>From: dayle@cyberbeach.net >>To: computerministry@unitytustin.org, >> glass@bungi.com >> >>The Galstar "All Star" has a water pump. Mine never seems to work though. > Does >>anyone else who has this grinder have any problems? > >-- >Charles Spitzer >Stratus Computer, Inc >Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 17:09:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:20:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:19:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.131948.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19990325122158.00b91900@atlas2.az.stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk After receiving several suggestions I decided to give the water pump one more chance...had given up on it for 2 years. It never worked for me so I just put it away not wanting to deal with the frustration any longer. (the water pump not being the reason why I purchased this particular gringer in the first place) After taking each suggestion into consideration, (all of which I had tried in the past) I decided to get the manual out and reread the section on the water pump and mini table. As it turns out I didn't have enough water in the basin. It states that there must be at least 28 ounces of water in the basin in order for the pump to work. Problem solved! I find that's too much water when I'm working on the main work surface. I put in just enough water to allow the sponge to draw it to the grinding head. Therein lies the problem. Thanks for getting me thinking! Charles Spitzer wrote: > the impeller or the water channel gets crudded up. open up the pump and > clean it out, and it should work ok unless the motor has burnt out because > it was clogged. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > > >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:17:23 -0500 > >Subject: Re: NG perhaps Re: Interesting grinder contraption > >Sender: dayle@cyberbeach.net > >From: dayle@cyberbeach.net > >To: computerministry@unitytustin.org, > > glass@bungi.com > > > >The Galstar "All Star" has a water pump. Mine never seems to work though. > Does > >anyone else who has this grinder have any problems? > > -- > Charles Spitzer > Stratus Computer, Inc > Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 17:09:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:53:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Updated location list Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990325155103.0098f6c0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk I'll be sending out an updated Who's Where in Bungi-Land list on April 1. If you're already on the list, make sure you tell me in the next few days about your recent Internet address or real-world location changes. Also, let me know if I should include a web site and/or studio affiliation that is *not* part of your sig. If such information is in your sig, I've already picked it up so there is no need to write. New to bungi? Read on... The list I'm talking about shows (roughly) where bungi people call home. Its primary purpose is to facilitate bungian get-togethers during travel. Its secondary purpose is to help you decide what the message, "It's snowing here today" really means. The list doesn't contain street addresses or phone numbers; in many cases, it doesn't even show a person's full name. Putting yourself on the list is entirely voluntary. You need not be a vocal list participant. Lurkers can emerge safely from the shadows for a glimpse of daylight. Sounds good, doesn't it? Here's the catch. By popular demand, the list is distributed by private e-mail only to those on it. You must give to receive. To add yourself to the list, send me a private e-mail with as much of your name and home town as you feel comfortable revealing. Be aware that there are numerous Internet resources that may enable someone to determine your phone number and street address from the information you provide. If this possibility bothers you, include only your first name or just tell me where you live regionally. If you have pictures of your glasswork on the web or are connected with a studio you'd like named, include that information, too. Most people receive the list as a PDF document attached to a mail message. Viewing and printing a PDF document requires you to have Adobe's Acrobat Reader on your computer. If you don't already have this *free* utility, you can download it from http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html Some people prefer to avoid mail attachments altogether. If you are one of them, make sure you let me know when you sign up. I will then send you a plain-text (completely unformatted) version of the list in the body of a mail message. Be aware that web sites and studio affiliations are not included in the plain-text version. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 17:57:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:05:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wauknet.com!sreckner From: sreckner@wauknet.com (Steve Reckner) To: Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:04:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.12456.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19990325112248.00b17db0@atlas2.az.stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk Not wishing to be overly critical, I'd guess this person used the saw incorrectly. Six pieces of glass is roughly 3/4 inch. First of all, from a technique perspective, the radius of the saw blade would preclude every piece identically cut to the same line. The top piece would be one size as subsequent pieces below it would be progressively smaller. And if she used double-sided tape to "laminate" the glass, she should have checked to make sure it was waterproof. User error doesn't necessarily justify condemnation of any piece of equipment and/or liability on the part of the manufacturer, a point of view lost on litigation-bent American society. Steve Reckner, Professional Curmudgeon :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Spitzer To: Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? > i happened to notice the ringsaw at my local glass shop and got to talking > to one of the workers there. she told me a story about using a ringsaw that > just put me off my feed, so to speak. > > she was making a panel lamp, and each panel was to be the same pattern, > like a jigsaw with a wandering cut throughout the panel. she laminated all > the sheets of glass together and was doing the cut through all 6 pieces. in > doing so, she could switch the glass colors around, and it would appear as > if each panel was made independently. > > however, after a while the tape holding the 6 pieces of glass started > seperating. before she could stop, the top piece rode up slightly, binding > the blade. it snapped. the ringsaw kept going, and since it pushes the > blade through the motor all the time, as long as there was blade it kept > going. a bandsaw blade will probably jump off the pulleys when it breaks. > > however, the blade kept going. through her finger. sideways. she said the > rest of the blade (about 50% of it) passed through her finger, and she > could see daylight through it for quite some time before it closed up. the > doctor said that shrapnel was left in her finger, but the pieces were so > small he wasn't able to get them all out. > > needless to say, she doesn't use this tool anymore. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 18:15:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:22:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Matching background glass Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:23:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.102325.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for the condolences. The background is not the focal point of the pane--it's a tropical bird and flower scene, but there is a fair amount of background to it. In order to make it match, I laid the entire 30" x 30"-ish slab of baroque down on the pattern, and then laid the pattern pieces out exactly where they would fall in the pattern and cut them that way. (Meaning, I wasted an enormous amount of glass in order to get it just perfect. I probably DID over-read the earlier posts!) Therefore, I have a bunch of left over pieces, but none big enough to use for anything. I had even paid attention and cut my inside curves first just like you're supposed to. I think the reason for breakage had more to do with it being almost 11 p.m. and I was tired than anything else. I should have quit for the night about 1 piece sooner! However, it is certainly worth going back to the store and looking for another small slab that might match or at least come close. Shari (still alive and breathing--for now) -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Shari Higbee Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Matching background glass >Shari, > >Don't, repeat, don't slit your wrists. > >Just back away for a bit and then look at what you have left in your baroque >glass and see if you can find something that will fit. I don't know how >large your window is but that is a lot of glass to chuck. Maybe you can >find part of a swirl that might fit in. Aren't these lessons fun? It is >always the piece we think we are never going to have trouble with that gives >us fits. And always when we have less than a abundance of glass to recut >with. > >If this was me, right now today, I would walk away for today, and then take >a fresh look tomorrow. It might be that you have calmed down and can see >that there is a way to cut another piece that won't look too out of place. >Or like Steve (I think) said you might just decide to recut it all. > >Good luck and don't give up. > >Linda Jo > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shari Higbee >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 2:30 PM >Subject: Matching background glass > > >>Hi all. After reading everyone's comments on matching glue chip background >>glass recently, I decided I needed to slow down and make a little better >>effort to match my glass. I always just rush through a panel to get to the >>enjoyment stage, and invariably there will be a spot or two that bothers >>me... You know, the old "I wish I had done it this way instead..." concept. >> >>So last night, I began cutting my first really big, really nice panel and >>the first one I plan to keep for myself. I really slowed down and took my >>time to do everything right. The background is clear baroque (boy, how do >>you spell that?!) and I laid the background pieces out on top of the >pattern >>so the swirls would match up on every single piece. (I was so proud of >>myself!) >> >>Long story short--I managed to break the very last piece of background. >It's >>a fairly big top right corner piece. Would you guys start from scratch and >>recut the entire background again, since this major piece will obviously >not >>match up now? I don't see any other way if I want the swirls to match up... >>And I'm just sick about it... >> >>Advice, suggestions, or condolences anyone? >> >>Shari -- dejected and suicidal in SLC >> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 18:38:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:21:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:08:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.8839.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, you can mosaic glass just the same as you would tile. They even make mosaic cutters designed specially for snipping the little pieces of glass for a mosaic (I forget the brand of mine, I will check when I'm back in the shop). One note (which probably does not apply to a mirror on a wall, but...): When doing mosaic glass work on a surface which will have human contact such as a counter top or a sink, you must be very careful the grout fully contacts the edge of the glass. If clean too much away during the cleanout steps, you can be left with sharp edges exposed which can cut people. Of course, you can also lightly grind the edge, but we all know how some people out here in bungi land feel about grinders. Be sure to use a fine grinder head so you don't have those unsightly grinder chips on the edge. And you do not have to stick to opaque glass. There are mosaic glass glues available which are clear. it can look very good to mosaic clear glass direct to mirror or to white tiling board. If a proper grouting job is done, the less expensive ones seem to work quite well and in this application the slight bit of yellowing over time will not be noticed. (Of course if you are doing an application without grout where the glue line is exposed to moisture, or in an application where the mosaic will be back lit, you need to use more expensive two part UV resin glues). -----Original Message----- From: Soraya To: Bungi Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 1:55 AM Subject: Glass mosiac...on a wall? >Dear Bungians, > >My hubby and I are in the midst of redoing the bathroom....we have two large >mirrors that are not really suitable for framing.....I was wondering..... > >Would it be possible to do a stained glass mosaic around these things using >tile grout and adhesive? Needless to say....it will be all opaque glass and >probably a pretty simple design (well...maybe not). > >Has anyone heard of thing being done? > >Thanks, >Soraya > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 19:05:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:21:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Shari Higbee" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Matching background glass Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:17:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.9175.0> Precedence: bulk Condolences. I've been there. I probably would try matching from the same baroque first though. I understand it to be clear baroque? Even better, sometimes the broad colour grain of coloured baroque is pretty difficult to match, but if it is clear your job should be easier. Since baroque has such a definite broad textural design, you will have to be careful, but it can definitely be matched well enough so no one will know it was not the original piece. Baroque changes direction and width on the grain so much. The eye will assume any small matching problems are due to the grain changing in the intervening spaces between pieces. Now, when you do this with an old style of glass which can not be replaced, then is when you feel like giving it all up! -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 12:36 PM Subject: Matching background glass ... >Advice, suggestions, or condolences anyone? > ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 19:09:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:45:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberbeach.net!dayle From: Swinger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: E-Tour Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:44:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.154443.0> References: <<1999Mar25.6538.0>> Precedence: bulk I would love to be able to attend one of Elisabeth's demonstrations/workshops on the E-Tour. Unfortunately, I have neither the means nor the time to attend. Alot of us live so far away from many of the locations...some of us live in other countries. Would it be possible for IGGA to somehow tape one of the demonstrations/workshops which could then be purchased by IGGA members? This would affirm IGGA's mission statement..."To facilitate communication among glass artists, to encourage education and promote excellence in the glass arts." Proceeds from the sale of these tapes could be put to good use for other such events in the future. Does anyone have an opinion on this idea? Do you think it would be possible and who should I contact at IGGA to make this suggestion? Christie A. Wood wrote: > I'll be there on Sunday, Aug. 29th. Probably sitting at the IGGA > booth. Hope to see everyone there. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, > P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 > http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 19:33:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:56:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: E-Tour Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:58:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.13586.0> References: <<1999Mar25.125130.0>> Precedence: bulk How will we all know each other without email addresses to refer to? For instance...I know "family account" better than I know Dorothy! ;o) T suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 19:52:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:04:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks was re:need retailer.. Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:09:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.14942.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who responded to my need of the duck decoy book. Got it handled! I appreciate the responses. ;o) Ok, now...does anyone know of a cool bug book? lol...isnt life fun? T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 20:07:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:24:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:19:46 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.21946.0> Precedence: bulk The article appears in issue #40 of SGN on page 2. She gives a bit of advice about making sure to leave enough space for the grout (she has taped two exacto knives together to get the proper distance when cutting out the pattern). She also says she uses clear silicon spread with her finger because it needs to be used sparingly since if it oozes out, the grout won't stick to it. The pictures look terrific - wish I had a bad wall so I could try it but my tile's all intact so far. Brenda << in a issue of SGN (seems to me within the past couple of years) there was a woman who tiled the wall above her bathtub and a man who did the backsplash in his kitchen with stained glass...they put the pieces in the kiln first to round the edges and make them look more "tiley" and they they set and grouted them just like you would regular tile....looked pretty nice. Hope this helps. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 20:16:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:53:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: E-Tour Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:50:56 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.25056.0> Precedence: bulk Hey, Christie, I'm looking forward to seeing you at Glass Visions, already have my reservations! Planning on being there with a friendly group of glass friends. Glad Elizabeth will be there at the same time - I can't afford to trips to Allentown in one month! Ann Harvard Art & Glass Works ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 20:16:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:55:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:53:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.165343.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tim & Adriana Atwood" >Of course, you can also lightly grind the edge,< If you have a kiln, just slump the glass to round the edges. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 20:31:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:04:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:11:36 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.21136.0> Precedence: bulk Sounds like a neat idea. I remember seeing the issue of stained glass news that had that article in it. I have another question though. Would you just glue the glass to the wall (sheetrock), or would you need to glue it on a board then screw it to the wall somehow? Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 20:51:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:08:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: soraya@cros.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:06:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.17612.0> Precedence: bulk Soraya, Our Mosaic Fruit Basket pattern is done in just this way. We use regular tile mastic and grout. Have Fun, Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 02:19:58 -0500 "Soraya" writes: >Dear Bungians, > >My hubby and I are in the midst of redoing the bathroom....we have two >large >mirrors that are not really suitable for framing.....I was >wondering..... > >Would it be possible to do a stained glass mosaic around these things >using >tile grout and adhesive? Needless to say....it will be all opaque >glass and >probably a pretty simple design (well...maybe not). > >Has anyone heard of thing being done? > >Thanks, >Soraya > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 21:09:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:27:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: patio stepping-stones Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:26:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.172612.0> References: <<1999Mar19.122645.0>> Precedence: bulk Dawn, There is a whole website out there devoted to stepping stones. The guy has come up with a formula which he says performs as well as Diamondcrete but costs much less to make. The site is full of other useful info. Check it out at http://www.gi.alaska.edu/staff/cole/mine/mosaics.html Good luck! Elizabeth Johnson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 21:25:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:28:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyberportal.net!dmj From: "Dean Johnson" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Black and white flashed glass Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:26:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.172611.0> References: <<1999Mar17.9514.0>> Precedence: bulk > 1. Has anyone seen any black/white flashed glass recently Paula, Seems to me I saw some recently at the C&R Loo website at http://www.crloo.com/. Try there. Elizabeth Johnson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 21:36:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:54:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: "Howard" Subject: re: a quakification FOR THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 25 Mar 99 22:55:19 -0800 Message-ID: <199903260353.WAA15945@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Howard. . . . I agree with you. . .in part. The general public will buy anything. But my point was, and is, that there are all sorts of lamps out there. Not all are horrible, tho' most that are sold at places like Home Depot, do have abbreviated patterns and pieces that are larger than what was originally intended. However, my point was about these animal lamps. My rooster has a ...bizillion pieces and lots of detail. It has no big gaps of solder and the foil is appropriate. I like it on my counter, tho' I never thought about how I might feel about it in a hundred years. It's made of very fine glass-- not all Spectrum. . .it has some interesting textures. It didn't cost me dearly, but I can afford it and enjoy it. In the time it took for someone to make it, I can make more doing what I do. I may be wrong, but I love my Jasper Johns' lithographs and my artists proofs as much as I love some the originals I have hanging here. Maybe I just don't have any class. Nadine > **--------- Original Message follows... >the QUALIFICATION! FOR THE PRICE............ An $8,000.00 (appx.) kia or fiesta car is ABSOLUTLEY the best car you can get for the MONEY! BUT is it the best car? The general public will buy ANYTHING........unfortunately price seems to be the criteria that is first evaluated.........Happily, not for my work..........I can at least put a "good" product where my cynical outlook is........As one sees more and more quality work, they do begin to be a bit more discriminating, as for the ability to "buy" the best, sometimes just not possible. I have clients who have shopped for a very long time until they have decided they would not find more consistent quality work. Many of the commissions have gone to people who have shopped and held out for the quality they wanted not a "price". The decision to NOT COMPETE with $2 to $3 per week labor was not very hard to make. A million years or so ago, I used to be a wagon jobber( selling auto parts door to door) and my accounts were anywhere from a huge new car dealership to a small shade tree mechanic to a used car dealer. One used car dealer had the most varied pieces on his lot I had ever seen.......He summed up the world very clearly and succinctly....... "There is an ASS made for EVERY seat"........Need I say more? need I say more, I think NOT! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 21:42:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:46:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Ring Saw Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:49:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.174911.0> Precedence: bulk I don't have the instruction book in front of me, but i do remember that it said that cutting more than 3(?) pieces was a bad idea, and considering how slow one would have to go to cut multiple pieces at once, it would probably be just as quick to cut each one individually. For the times that I need my ring saw, I would have no other. My blade broke on me once. I jumped back almost as quickly as I turned the sucker off. There was no personal damage other than an adrenraline rush. And the Gemini people were incredibly helpful when I was installing my new blade. A tech guy on the phone walked me thru the whole thing and the testing that it was properly installed. Needless to say, I ALWAYS USE SAFETY GOGGLES when I am using the ring saw or grinder. Hilary > like a jigsaw with a wandering cut throughout the panel. she laminated all > the sheets of glass together and was doing the cut through all 6 pieces. in > doing so, she could switch the glass colors around, and it would appear as > if each panel was made independently. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 25 23:37:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:30:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:24:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.202446.0> Precedence: bulk > >One note (which probably does not apply to a mirror on a wall, >but...): >When doing mosaic glass work on a surface which will have human >contact such >as a counter top or a sink, you must be very careful the grout fully >contacts the edge of the glass. If clean too much away during the >cleanout >steps, you can be left with sharp edges exposed which can cut people. > >Of course, you can also lightly grind the edge, but we all know how >some >people out here in bungi land feel about grinders. Be sure to use a >fine >grinder head so you don't have those unsightly grinder chips on the >edge. When I do a mosaic I lightly buff the top edge of each piece (that might become exposed) with a fine carborundum paper. You'd be surprised at how little it takes to deflash the glass enough to make it safe. > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 00:39:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:06:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: E-Tour Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:46:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990325214643.00980980@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> Precedence: bulk I'll be attending the August 14-15 workshop in Maryland. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 00:50:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:54:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Subject: Fw: Annual Internet Cleaning Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:38:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.143846.0> Precedence: bulk Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 07:54 AM Subject: Annual Internet Cleaning PLEASE PASS THIS NOTICE TO OTHER USERS WHO MAY NOT SEE IT! As many of you know, each year the internet must be shut down for 24 hours in order to allow us to clean it. The cleaning process, which eliminates dead e-mail and inactive ftp, www and gopher sites, allows for a better-working and faster internet. For the upcoming year, the cleaning process will take place from 12:01 a.m. GMT on April 1 until 12:01 a.m. GMT on April 2. During that 24-hour period, five very powerful Japanese built multi-lingual internet-crawling robots (Toshiba ML-2274) situated around the world will search the internet and delete any data that they find. In order to protect your valuable data from deletion we ask that you do the following: 1. Disconnect all terminals and local area networks from their internet connections. 2. Shut down all internet servers, or disconnect them from the internet. 3. Disconnect all disks and hard drives from any connections to the internet. 4. Refrain from connecting any computer to the internet in any way. 5. Avoid placing operating microwave ovens or toaster ovens near your computer modem. 6. Avoid wearing nylon (or other dielectric fiber) undergarments because of the possibility of electrical discharge. We understand the inconvenience that this may cause some internet users, and we apologize. However, we are certain that any inconvenience will be more than made up for by the increased speed and efficiency of the internet, once it has been cleared of electronic flotsam and jetsam. We thank you for your cooperation. Kim Dereksen Interconnected Network Maintenance staff Main branch, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sysops and others: Since the last internet cleaning, the number of internet users has grown dramatically. Please assist us in alerting the public of the upcoming internet cleaning by posting this message where your users will be able to read it. Please pass this message on to other sysops and internet users as well. Thank you. Warning and Disclaimer: For those of you not certain if this is true or false, this e-mail is purely fictional and meant for entertainment purposes only. Do not consume in excessive amount. Use only as directed. Consult your physician before beginning any exercise programs. April Fool! Phil, the Clam "He don't say much." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 05:22:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:41:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!KSeeGlass From: KSeeGlass@aol.com To: steve@villagesoftsmith.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: E-Tour Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:40:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.114013.0> Precedence: bulk Wow, traveling 3000 miles for a workshop. (Elisabeth, see what lengths we go to meet & Learn) How long will you be in town? I'm trying to track who will be in this area so maybe we can somehow meet for dinner? breakfast? Whatever, before you all go back home. What say you...anyone else going to be in Maryland August 14-15? K See ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 05:38:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:52:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mpx.com.au!ktsplash From: "ktsplash" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Ta! Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:47:52 +1000 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.34752.0> Precedence: bulk been having a problem with isp (ugh), wanted to say a belated thank you to all who offered advice on sg mags or the mirror backing. customer backed out of the mirror backing idea when i told him of the extra expense. I'm just going to soak it in water for a few days and get it all off - leads to another job because he wants the other cupboard door to match!! woohoo thanks again, kt ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 06:23:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:06:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Visions Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:08:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.2855.0> Precedence: bulk How does one register for glass visions? And can non-professionals come? I have checked IGGA and Warner Criv sites but can find no word on Glass Visions. Seems I saw it last year at Warner Criv. I'm lost. Can someone help? Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 08:31:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:06:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Visions Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:08:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.2855.0> Precedence: bulk How does one register for glass visions? And can non-professionals come? I have checked IGGA and Warner Criv sites but can find no word on Glass Visions. Seems I saw it last year at Warner Criv. I'm lost. Can someone help? Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 08:43:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:15:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: E-Tour ;Guess who.... Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.21431.0> Precedence: bulk We can make a game of trying to figure out who is who....when we meet...I have this notion in my head how each of the Bungis must look like .....It's wild! -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: Family Account Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 10:50 PM Subject: Re: E-Tour >How will we all know each other without email addresses to refer to? >For instance...I know "family account" better than I know Dorothy! ;o) > >T suz >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 08:56:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:46:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Great Idea Swinger.... Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.2465.0> Precedence: bulk This is an excellent idea. It would be so nice to see and hear the different Bungi' doing what they love to do most..... This summer is going to be grand...I will be attending the workshop in Maryland also. I am looking forward to meeting Elisabeth and everyone else who gets to go but several years ago when we still had children at home, with all of the expenses , this trip would have been impossible.So maybe one of the sponsers could look into taping some of the sessions. Take care, Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 09:21:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:55:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-silly computer question. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:39:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.23950.0> Precedence: bulk Well I have been trying to fix this silly problem for a few days. It is not really a bad thing, but drives me crazy. My husband was on the computer and did something? Now I can not scroll down because the scroll button on the right hand side of the screen is off the screen. I have tried moving it to bring it back into the screen area, but it will not happen. When I use the smaller screen I adjust it then, but when I enlarge again I loose the scroll? Really silly isn't it,but I do not know how to fix it and do not want to sit for hours on the phone trying to get hold of Gateway. Suggestions. Thanks ahead of time. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 09:25:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:27:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:24:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.142425.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/25/99 2:23:32 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >Yes, it's possible. Make sure you use water-proof glue >such as my beloved GE Silicon II or Red Devil, and use >bathroom tile grout. You can get pretty wild on designs >as well. When Christie and I were working on the mosaic project for Children's Hospital, the assistant to the artist-in-charge collected up all the discarded chips to use on his bedroom wall (in the basement of the artist's house). He had already painted the room up in wild colors but wanted to do one wall in mosaic. He was also experimenting with building funky sculptures out of old electronic components and odd-shaped bits of plastic. I think some of the "techno-trash" ended up on the wall too. His boss said, "When Warren moves out, we're going to have to donate his room to the MOMA." In Philadelphia there are at least a half dozen mosaic murals that cover entire sides of buildings. They're made mostly of salvaged glass. There are also a couple of apartment-house entryways done up in broken china and glassware. Looks like fun! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 09:26:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:27:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Matching background glass Date: Fri Mar 26 06:26:24 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.4424.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7792.78EC24E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Shari If you don't have one piece how about two smaller ones. You might be able to do this and still keep the background intact. Or it might be possible to extend the flower to cover the break if you just broke a piece off the edge. Add my condolences to the rest and welcome to the club!!! Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Shari Higbee [mailto:shigbee@stmassociates.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:23 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fw: Matching background glass Thanks everyone for the condolences. The background is not the focal point of the pane--it's a tropical bird and flower scene, but there is a fair amount of background to it. In order to make it match, I laid the entire 30" x 30"-ish slab of baroque down on the pattern, and then laid the pattern pieces out exactly where they would fall in the pattern and cut them that way. (Meaning, I wasted an enormous amount of glass in order to get it just perfect. I probably DID over-read the earlier posts!) Therefore, I have a bunch of left over pieces, but none big enough to use for anything. I had even paid attention and cut my inside curves first just like you're supposed to. I think the reason for breakage had more to do with it being almost 11 p.m. and I was tired than anything else. I should have quit for the night about 1 piece sooner! However, it is certainly worth going back to the store and looking for another small slab that might match or at least come close. Shari (still alive and breathing--for now) -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Shari Higbee Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Matching background glass >Shari, > >Don't, repeat, don't slit your wrists. > >Just back away for a bit and then look at what you have left in your baroque >glass and see if you can find something that will fit. I don't know how >large your window is but that is a lot of glass to chuck. Maybe you can >find part of a swirl that might fit in. Aren't these lessons fun? It is >always the piece we think we are never going to have trouble with that gives >us fits. And always when we have less than a abundance of glass to recut >with. > >If this was me, right now today, I would walk away for today, and then take >a fresh look tomorrow. It might be that you have calmed down and can see >that there is a way to cut another piece that won't look too out of place. >Or like Steve (I think) said you might just decide to recut it all. > >Good luck and don't give up. > >Linda Jo > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shari Higbee >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 2:30 PM >Subject: Matching background glass > > >>Hi all. After reading everyone's comments on matching glue chip background >>glass recently, I decided I needed to slow down and make a little better >>effort to match my glass. I always just rush through a panel to get to the >>enjoyment stage, and invariably there will be a spot or two that bothers >>me... You know, the old "I wish I had done it this way instead..." concept. >> >>So last night, I began cutting my first really big, really nice panel and >>the first one I plan to keep for myself. I really slowed down and took my >>time to do everything right. The background is clear baroque (boy, how do >>you spell that?!) and I laid the background pieces out on top of the >pattern >>so the swirls would match up on every single piece. (I was so proud of >>myself!) >> >>Long story short--I managed to break the very last piece of background. >It's >>a fairly big top right corner piece. Would you guys start from scratch and >>recut the entire background again, since this major piece will obviously >not >>match up now? I don't see any other way if I want the swirls to match up... >>And I'm just sick about it... >> >>Advice, suggestions, or condolences anyone? >> >>Shari -- dejected and suicidal in SLC >> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7792.78EC24E8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Matching background glass

Shari

If you don't have one piece how about two smaller ones.
You might be able to do this and still keep the background intact.
Or it might be possible to extend the flower to cover the break if you just
broke a piece off the edge.

Add my condolences to the rest and welcome to the club!!!

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Shari Higbee [mailto:shigbee@stmassociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:23 PM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject: Fw: Matching background glass


Thanks everyone for the condolences. The background is not the focal point
of the pane--it's a tropical bird and flower scene, but there is a fair
amount of background to it. In order to make it match, I laid the entire 30"
x 30"-ish slab of baroque down on the pattern, and then laid the pattern
pieces out exactly where they would fall in the pattern and cut them that
way. (Meaning, I wasted an enormous amount of glass in order to get it just
perfect. I probably DID over-read the earlier posts!) Therefore, I have a
bunch of left over pieces, but none big enough to use for anything.

I had even paid attention and cut my inside curves first just like you're
supposed to. I think the reason for breakage had more to do with it being
almost 11 p.m. and I was tired than anything else. I should have quit for
the night about 1 piece sooner!

However, it is certainly worth going back to the store and looking for
another small slab that might match or at least come close.

Shari (still alive and breathing--for now)

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Jo Letscher <andor@ilnk.com>
To: Shari Higbee <shigbee@stmassociates.com>
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Matching background glass


>Shari,
>
>Don't, repeat, don't slit your wrists.
>
>Just back away for a bit and then look at what you have left in your
baroque
>glass and see if you can find something that will fit.  I don't know how
>large your window is but that is a lot of glass to chuck.  Maybe you can
>find part of a swirl that might fit in.  Aren't these lessons fun?  It is
>always the piece we think we are never going to have trouble with that
gives
>us fits.  And always when we have less than a abundance of glass to recut
>with.
>
>If this was me, right now today, I would walk away for today, and then take
>a fresh look tomorrow.  It might be that you have calmed down and can see
>that there is a way to cut another piece that won't look too out of place.
>Or like Steve (I think) said you might just decide to recut it all.
>
>Good luck and don't give up.
>
>Linda Jo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shari Higbee <shigbee@stmassociates.com>
>To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
>Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 2:30 PM
>Subject: Matching background glass
>
>
>>Hi all. After reading everyone's comments on matching glue chip background
>>glass recently, I decided I needed to slow down and make a little better
>>effort to match my glass. I always just rush through a panel to get to the
>>enjoyment stage, and invariably there will be a spot or two that bothers
>>me... You know, the old "I wish I had done it this way instead..."
concept.
>>
>>So last night, I began cutting my first really big, really nice panel and
>>the first one I plan to keep for myself. I really slowed down and took my
>>time to do everything right. The background is clear baroque (boy, how do
>>you spell that?!) and I laid the background pieces out on top of the
>pattern
>>so the swirls would match up on every single piece. (I was so proud of
>>myself!)
>>
>>Long story short--I managed to break the very last piece of background.
>It's
>>a fairly big top right corner piece. Would you guys start from scratch and
>>recut the entire background again, since this major piece will obviously
>not
>>match up now? I don't see any other way if I want the swirls to match
up...
>>And I'm just sick about it...
>>
>>Advice, suggestions, or condolences anyone?
>>
>>Shari -- dejected and suicidal in SLC
>>
>>
>>
>>----
>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com
>>To send to the list,      please mail to: glass@bungi.com
>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass
>
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7792.78EC24E8-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 09:51:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:24:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!eastgatexx From: "Alan Terry" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Fw: E-Tour Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:24:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar25.222437.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info on Glass Visions -- I'll be checking it out. I'd love to make it there and meet some of y'all. There's a show in Long Beach in July... I forgot what it's called. I'm planing on going to that (45 minutes by car vs. 3hrs by plane to Allentown- haha) Thanks again, Alan -----Original Message----- From: Hilary To: Alan Terry Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 4:38 AM Subject: Re: Fw: E-Tour >Dear Alan, > >Glass Visions is a huge sale that Warner-Crivellaro has in Allentown >every August. There are lots of vendors who show up and do demos and >stuff. IGGA usually has a booth and is used as a meeting site for bungi >people. You can find out more by keeping an eye out on the Warner web >site at: >http://www.warner-criv.com/ > >See you there? >Take care, >Hilary > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 09:51:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:25:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: E-Tour Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:24:29 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.142429.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/25/99 10:34:45 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >How will we all know each other without email addresses to refer to? >For instance...I know "family account" better than I know Dorothy! ;o) Never having been to Glass Visions (but planning to attend this year): A few years ago my other half and I attended a choral musicians conference where we knew we'd meet quite a few people face-to-face that we'd known from a choral music mailing list. We wrote our e-mail addresses in under our names and our chorus's name on our name tags. (I also added "Dr. Sparks, Witch Doctor" as I'm known on several lists.) A lot of other folks had the same idea -- it made it very easy to figure out who was who, and it was a lot of fun! Then there's always the suggestion someone made last year about wearing bungi cord "jewelry"....... See you in August...... Dr. Sparks, Witch Doctor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 09:53:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:26:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:24:32 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.142432.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/25/99 3:08:11 PM, charles_spitzer@stratus.com wrote: >she was making a panel lamp, and each panel was to be the same pattern, >like a jigsaw with a wandering cut throughout the panel. she laminated all >the sheets of glass together and was doing the cut through all 6 pieces. in >doing so, she could switch the glass colors around, and it would appear as >if each panel was made independently. YIKES! I'm truly sorry this person got hurt, but that was an accident waiting to happen. Not the tool's "fault," but the operator's. I can't even *imagine* trying to run a stack of glass through a saw that way. Even woodworkers doing that with a stack of soft wood and a scroll saw give me the willies. Taking a shortcut (no pun here, I'm completely serious) like that with an unpredictable and potentially dangerous material like glass -- well, that's just plain stupid. (I knew someone a while back who made a substantial part of his living as an "expert witness" on the uses, misuses, and abuses of power tools. This story is right up there with some of his classics!) >the ringsaw kept going, and since it pushes the >blade through the motor all the time, as long as there was blade it kept >going. a bandsaw blade will probably jump off the pulleys when it breaks. I busted a ring saw blade the other day while cutting through a piece of thick Yough. The blade went off-track and jammed, probably because I tend to feed the glass through from side to side rather then front to back. The piece of glass broke, but I was OK (thanks be to all the "glass gods"!). It did give me a bit of a scare. When I replaced the blade and started cutting again, I realized how worn the old blade had been and that I was probably pushing the glass a bit too hard as a result; that in combination with the wavy texture of the glass getting hung up on the holes in the saw table..... I guess it was bound to happen, but I hope I've learned how not to have that happen again! Any tool in good condition can be used safely, but if you misuse or abuse your tools, you're cruisin' for big trouble! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 10:20:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:00:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Matching background glass Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:59:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.55920.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari Higbee" >Long story short--I managed to break the very last piece of background. It's a fairly big top right corner piece. Would you guys start from scratch an= d recut the entire background again, since this major piece will obviously not match up now? I don't see any other way if I want the swirls to match up.= .. And I'm just sick about it...< Can you salvage the broken pieces and make believe the break line was planned? If so, then use the broken pieces. If not, why not take the broken piece to your local stained glass retailer and find a piece of baroque glass which come close to your broken piece? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 10:34:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:01:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass mosiac...on a wall? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:59:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.55925.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CWWSLW@aol.com >I have another question though. Would you just glue the glass to the wal= l (sheetrock), or would you need to glue it on a board then screw it to the= wall somehow?< I would do the work on a framed board, and then attach the board to the wall, rather than glueing the glass directly to the sheetrock. Reason: If you move you can 1) take your work with you, 2) not have to have the permanate mosaic as a potential selling "problem" since not everyone is going to want stained glass mosaic in their bathroom, no matter how fabulous it looks. Now, as to how to attach the mosaic to the wall...You might want to investigate using mirror-mounting double stick tape instead of screws. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 10:49:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:35:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: The E-tour Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:34:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.53444.0> Precedence: bulk Wouldn't ya know it.... the DAY AFTER, I spent all my money upgradgin my computer, the e-tour is finished and ready to accept reservations!! Aaghhh! So... providing there are still reservations available for Kansas City, MO, by my next paycheck... (living hand to mouth is hell, aint it?)... that is where I plan to attend the E-tour workshop. I haven't seen any others of you out there mentioning the Kansas City workshop. Any of you planning on going to that one? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 11:19:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:24:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: NG-silly computer question. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:11:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.21152.0> Precedence: bulk It is possible that you have a video card that can have a desktop size larger than the viewable screen area. If you are using Windows 9X (X=5 or 8) Right click on the Desktop, select Properties This will bring up the dialog for various settings for the desktop and colors, and such. Click the tab named Settings On this screen there will most likely be (if your card does the dual areas) two sliders. I would imagine that one is set larger than the other. Make them both the same by putting your mouse on the slider pointer and moving it to match the other one. You may have to try both of them, to get them to track together. Once you have them set, click on APPLY. And then on OK. Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 -----Original Message----- From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 09:48 AM Subject: NG-silly computer question. |Well I have been trying to fix this silly problem for a few days. It is |not really a bad thing, but drives me crazy. My husband was on the |computer and did something? Now I can not scroll down because the |scroll button on the right hand side of the screen is off the screen. I |have tried moving it to bring it back into the screen area, but it will |not happen. When I use the smaller screen I adjust it then, but when I |enlarge again I loose the scroll? Really silly isn't it,but I do not |know how to fix it and do not want to sit for hours on the phone trying |to get hold of Gateway. Suggestions. Thanks ahead of time. Sue |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 11:49:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:44:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!SKDJ From: SKDJ@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass saw accident Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:43:12 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.184312.0> Precedence: bulk I have a new glass saw, and think of it as a band saw. When you use a band saw you should avoid holding your fingers in front of the blade. My father taught me that, adding a visual of my finger laying on the table twitching. I have never forgotten it. :^) Sherry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 12:13:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:32:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: NG-silly computer question. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:20:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.22022.0> Precedence: bulk It's also possible that the screen centering is off,,, Is there a little knob, or dial on the monitor face, or perhaps a row of buttons, one/two of them might look like a rectangle within a rectangle. One for horizontal, one for vertical. He might have adjusted these, to play a game or something, since some DOS based programs do not have the same refresh rates that Windows does. And as such moves the image around on the screen. Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 -----Original Message----- From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 09:48 AM Subject: NG-silly computer question. |Well I have been trying to fix this silly problem for a few days. It is |not really a bad thing, but drives me crazy. My husband was on the |computer and did something? Now I can not scroll down because the |scroll button on the right hand side of the screen is off the screen. I |have tried moving it to bring it back into the screen area, but it will |not happen. When I use the smaller screen I adjust it then, but when I |enlarge again I loose the scroll? Really silly isn't it,but I do not |know how to fix it and do not want to sit for hours on the phone trying |to get hold of Gateway. Suggestions. Thanks ahead of time. Sue |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 12:23:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:00:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Lierath From: "B.Lierath" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: source 99 and more Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:58:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.85857.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I would like to know, if anyone of the group had previous experience with the AGSA glass fair. The Source 99 is coming up and would I like to go, but since I waisted my= = money on a so called glass fair in Las Vegas last year, I would like to know if this Source 99 is a more professional fair. If you can imagine, the cost of the flight to LA from Europe and the stay= for a few days should pay off. Any sharing of previous experience will be appreciated. .........................................................................= .. .................................................... next... It seem to be quiet here in the group! I understand, if there is no input (me) there is no output. But where to start? No glass news or glass related questions? Burkhard, Berlin/Germany ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 12:52:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:49:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Visions located! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:42:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199903261935.OAA15517@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk I should have realized: http://www.glassvisions.com/ Pretty exciting site, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 13:13:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:51:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Christie A. Wood" Subject: Re: Glass Visions Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:57:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199903261949.OAA15780@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > have checked IGGA and Warner Criv sites but can find no word on > Glass Visions. Seems I saw it last year at Warner Criv. I'm lost. > Can someone help?< It's on the Guild's site now ... http://igga.org You can't miss the logo. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 13:24:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:07:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG.....water, water everywhere 'n not a drop to drink Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:06:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199903262007.UAA20049@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, What was it that Patrick said...? Rumours of my demise are greatly overstated.... Nah! Not me!! I'll be back and haunt him with Toby in hot pursuit!! With the tu-tu, tiara, taffetta and gnomen, I didn't think that Patrick NEEDED to earn a living. People would pay him either for the show or to "take it elsewhere". In any case, did yer notice that he STILL didn't come clean about what he was up to on St.Patrick's Day!!?? He is a DARK horse, this one.... ;-> My hearing has returned, thank you Patrick and I am getting back to my "normal" self again. so watch that tu-tu! However, just to distract my attentions from stained glass, my hot water tank burst, flooded the study, the water proceeded on its unstoppable course downwards through the floor (something to do with gravity, I believe) and through the dining room ceiling. The end result was that the added combined weight of the water and the materials that the dining room ceiling consists o (more gravity??) caused the now wet ceiling to part company with the wooden beams underneath and collapse in a big wet heap on my dining room carpet. In the process, it appeared to have disturbed Toby Tobias, blissfully asleep not very far away. Where was I??? I was away teaching and was met at the door late that evening on my return with a most alarmed and non-plussed expression from my 4-footed companion. I am still mopping up. New tank I'm afraid and new ceiling too..... Life is never boring! Then I have been off-line for the last 4 days since my computer made the trip to Kris The Computer Guru, to have a few glitches sorted out A N D an extra 8 GB memory fitted (now totalling 11 GB). That should hopefully last me for a very loooong time. So.... normal service to be resumed shortly.... I now have 2 weeks holiday from teaching and hope to catch up on all long over-due mail ( and - I'm afraid to say - bill paying :-< ) I am very saddened by the news about Arnold Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 13:49:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:07:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:06:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199903262007.UAA20045@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Brenda et al, Thanks for the tip. Luckily, since American Bungi-friends brought me some when they came to visit me, I am a proud owner of side cutters. However, for folks in UK I have good news. A week or so ago I went down to my local B and Q DIY store (I am always rummaging around tools sections!!) and found that they had added a small UNbevelled side cutter to their range of tools. Whether or not it is exclusive to B and Q I don't know. Nor do I know anything about the quality of the steel of which it is made. Cost? Between 5 - 6 UK Pounds Sterling. Worth checking out?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Brenda wrote: > > I haven't used them, but the company I work for sells two types of side > cutters for, I believe $6.99. Take a look and see if they are what you're > looking for at > WWW.MODELEXPOINC.COM and then do a search for cutter. There are other types > as well, but as I say I haven't used any of them. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 13:55:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:40:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vpico.com!dolly From: "Dolly Ahles" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bead Expo 2000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:37:54 -0700 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk To whom it may concern atInternational Guild of Glass Artist Inc., We would like to be linked to your website. Your information will be given to our web designer to be added to link ours to your. Thank you. Please link to: http://www.beadexpo.com/ Bead Expo 2000 International Symposium and Bazaar is a professionally-managed wholesale and retail show catering to the world of beads and fashion. March 22-27, 2000, Santa Fe, NM USA. Warm Regards... Dolly Ahles Web links contact for The Bead Expo 2000 Flamedancer Beads 1727 W. Emelita Ave. #2062 Mesa, Arizona 85202 daytime (602) 990-1101 x 1103 evenings/weekends (602) 890-9479 dolly@vpico.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 14:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:20:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stmassociates.com!shigbee From: "Shari Higbee" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Las Vegas glass show a waste? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:22:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.72244.0> Precedence: bulk but since I waisted my= = money on a so called glass fair in Las Vegas last year, I would like to know if this Source 99 is a more professional fair. ----------- I've been sort of keeping an eye on the Las Vegas glass show since I live in Utah and y'all seem to be back in PA/east coast. But I don't want to go if it's a waste of time and money. Can someone tell me about this Las Vegas "disaster" before I sign up? And when are you eastern Bungi coming out west to "glass in the mountains" or something? Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 14:50:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:59:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Subject: Saw problems Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:57:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.55712.0> Precedence: bulk >>YIKES! I'm truly sorry this person got hurt, but that was an accident waiting to happen. Not the tool's "fault," but the operator's. I can't even *imagine* trying to run a stack of glass through a saw that way. << I can. Ringsaws have been touted as being capable of cutting more than one piece of glass at the same time. It is not unreasonable that a person that works with glass would try to stack several pieces of glass to save time and produce identical pieces. The advertisements and endorsements for this saw would lead one to believe that it is a very capable tool that is an answer to a glass workers dreams. I view it as an overpriced tool of low usage value. It is hard for me to imagine how a person could get $350.00 worth of work out of this tool. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 15:12:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:51:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Visions Web Site Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:50:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.55023.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Albert wrote: I should have realized: http://www.glassvisions.com/ Pretty exciting site, too. Albert O.k. Charles when where you planning on springing this awesome web site on us all, humm??? Shockwave Flash?? Ohhh very nice! The first page gave me goose bumps actually and not too many things do that lately. Bravo!! I'm gonna get me some of that flash stuff....... Pam -- ********************************* Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 16:25:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:14:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: "Toby" Subject: re: NG.....water, water everywhere 'n not a drop to drink Date: 26 Mar 99 18:15:27 -0800 Message-ID: <199903262313.SAA14003@smtp1.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth. . . So sorry to hear about your ceiling. This really hasn't been much of a season for you! But things will get better and you know what they say about idle hands. It would appear from the posts yesterday and today that your classes are filling fast. I've signed up and sent my money in. . .now I can hardly wait! Nadine > **--------- Original Message follows... >Hi Everybody, What was it that Patrick said...? Rumours of my demise are greatly overstated.... Nah! Not me!! I'll be back and haunt him with Toby in hot pursuit!! With the tu-tu, tiara, taffetta and gnomen, I didn't think that Patrick NEEDED to earn a living. People would pay him either for the show or to "take it elsewhere". In any case, did yer notice that he STILL didn't come clean about what he was up to on St.Patrick's Day!!?? He is a DARK horse, this one.... ;-> My hearing has returned, thank you Patrick and I am getting back to my "normal" self again. so watch that tu-tu! However, just to distract my attentions from stained glass, my hot water tank burst, flooded the study, the water proceeded on its unstoppable course downwards through the floor (something to do with gravity, I believe) and through the dining room ceiling. The end result was that the added combined weight of the water and the materials that the dining room ceiling consists o (more gravity??) caused the now wet ceiling to part company with the wooden beams underneath and collapse in a big wet heap on my dining room carpet. In the process, it appeared to have disturbed Toby Tobias, blissfully asleep not very far away. Where was I??? I was away teaching and was met at the door late that evening on my return with a most alarmed and non-plussed expression from my 4-footed companion. I am still mopping up. New tank I'm afraid and new ceiling too..... Life is never boring! Then I have been off-line for the last 4 days since my computer made the trip to Kris The Computer Guru, to have a few glitches sorted out A N D an extra 8 GB memory fitted (now totalling 11 GB). That should hopefully last me for a very loooong time. So.... normal service to be resumed shortly.... I now have 2 weeks holiday from teaching and hope to catch up on all long over-due mail ( and - I'm afraid to say - bill paying :-< ) I am very saddened by the news about Arnold Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 16:55:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:32:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass easels (was:matching pattern in background glass) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:29:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.23296.0> Precedence: bulk I just purchased a product called "Clear Museum Gel" from of all places QVC. A 6oz jar cost with shipping & VA tax $15.13. Item# L60929 KSee, Thanks so much for sharing this info. I have been looking for this for quite some time now and not knowing the name, it is quite difficult to find! I first noticed this used to attach things that came thru the mail. It was great with the way it just peeled off and it even seemed as if it might be reusable. There are other ways it can be used along with glass, in marketing, etc. Lenore This is what the product descriptions reads (abbreviated) "it does not appear sticky in the least. It feels gel-like instead. You can rollit, squeeze it & it does not make your fingers feel sticky. It really is a plastic liquid that is thixotropic (liquid that flows into a more solid thin film) It is a liquid that transform into a solid film over time to create a secure bond and is completely removable & reusable" I tried it & it does work. The only caution they state is prolonged heat. This was designed to be used with collectibles, so if we use it for our purposes the only adjustment I see is not to keep the SG in a window completely upright. If you need more info contact me personally. K See ---- >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 17:16:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Updated location list Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:34:33 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar26.233433.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Steve, Just wanted to let you know that you are really doing a great job with the location list!!!! Wow! You are really on TOP of it! Thanks so much and I know that many other bungies really appreciate your work and dedication! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 17:28:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:39:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: E-TOUR, schedule and other info. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990326183041.006a0b04@scci.net> References: <<199903241634.IAA03643@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi Carol, I was wondering when additional information about the Florida stop of the E Tour might be avaiable. I'd love to go to glass visions but don't think I can swing that this year. I could definitely talk my hubby into a local trip though. Thanks, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 17:51:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:08:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Shari Higbee" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Las Vegas glass show a waste? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:06:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.1464.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari Higbee" > And when are you eastern Bungi coming out west to "glass in the mountains= " or something? < I second that motion, Shari! = Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios (in beautiful, spring-y Colorado) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 17:59:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:09:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bob E Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Saw problems Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.1469.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bob E Duchesneau" > The advertisements and endorsements for this saw would lead one to believe that it is a very capable tool that is an answer to a glass workers dreams. I view it as an overpriced tool of low usage value. It is hard for me to imagine how a person could get $350.00 worth of work out of this tool. Bob Amen, Bob. I'd tell any newcomer to spend the $350 on some good glass instead! Best, Dani Greer < ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 18:13:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:10:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass Visions Web Site Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.14613.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Pamela Burns-Tappan > Albert wrote: I should have realized: http://www.glassvisions.com/ Pretty exciting site, too. Albert O.k. Charles when where you planning on springing this awesome web site on us all, humm???< Sounds like everyone's still in hibernation! Wake up! It's spring-time.... well, at least here in the Rocky Mountains, it is! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery &Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 18:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:26:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mar333Wood From: Mar333Wood@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Looking for! Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:24:56 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar27.02456.0> Precedence: bulk If anyone can help, please contact me off line. I am looking for a Bob Allen from Arkansas who masterminded two stained glass panels, each three and a half feet. It is a picture of the seal of the United States. Absolutely beautiful. I would like to discuss some aspects of the panels with him and haven't had any luck in my search. TIA Marti Woodmar@Bigfoot.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 18:37:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:12:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: Shay Friel To: Al & Carla , Chad Price , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Annual Internet Cleaning Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:09:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.1592.0> Precedence: bulk Date: Friday March 26, 1999 07:54 AM Subject: Annual Internet Cleaning PLEASE PASS THIS NOTICE TO OTHER USERS WHO MAY NOT SEE IT! As many of you know, each year the internet must be shut down for 24 hours in order to allow us to clean it. The cleaning process, which eliminates dead e-mail and inactive ftp, www and gopher sites, allows for a better-working and faster internet. For the upcoming year, the cleaning process will take place from 12:01 a.m. GMT on April 1 until 12:01 a.m. GMT on April 2. During that 24-hour period, five very powerful Japanese built multi-lingual internet-crawling robots (Toshiba ML-2274) situated around the world will search the internet and delete any data that they find. In order to protect your valuable data from deletion we ask that you do the following: 1. Disconnect all terminals and local area networks from their internet connections. 2. Shut down all internet servers, or disconnect them from the internet. 3. Disconnect all disks and hard drives from any connections to the internet. 4. Refrain from connecting any computer to the internet in any way. 5. Avoid placing operating microwave ovens or toaster ovens near your computer modem. 6. Avoid wearing nylon (or other dielectric fiber) undergarments because of the possibility of electrical discharge. We understand the inconvenience that this may cause some internet users, and we apologize. However, we are certain that any inconvenience will be more than made up for by the increased speed and efficiency of the internet, once it has been cleared of electronic flotsam and jetsam. We thank you for your cooperation. Kim Dereksen Interconnected Network Maintenance staff Main branch, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sysops and others: Since the last internet cleaning, the number of internet users has grown dramatically. Please assist us in alerting the public of the upcoming internet cleaning by posting this message where your users will be able to read it. Please pass this message on to other sysops and internet users as well. Thank you. Warning and Disclaimer: For those of you not certain if this is true or false, this e-mail is purely fictional and meant for entertainment purposes only. Do not consume in excessive amount. Use only as directed. Consult your physician before beginning any exercise programs. April Fool! Phil, the Clam "He don't say much." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 18:46:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:50:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!charles_spitzer From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:46:09 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990326174609.009a5e30@atlas2.az.stratus.com> Precedence: bulk i seem to dimly recall, from reading the brochure from the manufacturer a while ago for this saw, that it is touted to go through multiple sheets of glass, and could do at least 1.5" thick glass. i don't think it's outside of the realm of possibilities that it should be used for precisely what it is documented to do. i' not sure about scroll saws, but i've run up to 6" through a wood band saw, but that was a large floor model. i'm sure that it doesn't matter whether it's one piece, or glued together pieces. i don't know how she laminated the glass together, but whatever it was letting go is the cause. however, i don't think this is abusing the tool, or even using the tool stupidly. regards, charlie phx, az >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:24:32 -0500 >Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? >Sender: Witchdoc3@aol.com >From: Witchdoc3@aol.com >To: glass@bungi.com > > >In a message dated 3/25/99 3:08:11 PM, charles_spitzer@stratus.com wrote: > >>she was making a panel lamp, and each panel was to be the same pattern, >>like a jigsaw with a wandering cut throughout the panel. she laminated all >>the sheets of glass together and was doing the cut through all 6 pieces. in >>doing so, she could switch the glass colors around, and it would appear as >>if each panel was made independently. > >YIKES! I'm truly sorry this person got hurt, but that was an accident waiting >to happen. Not the tool's "fault," but the operator's. I can't even *imagine* >trying to run a stack of glass through a saw that way. Even woodworkers doing >that with a stack of soft wood and a scroll saw give me the willies. Taking a >shortcut (no pun here, I'm completely serious) like that with an unpredictable >and potentially dangerous material like glass -- well, that's just plain >stupid. (I knew someone a while back who made a substantial part of his living >as an "expert witness" on the uses, misuses, and abuses of power tools. This >story is right up there with some of his classics!) > >>the ringsaw kept going, and since it pushes the >>blade through the motor all the time, as long as there was blade it kept >>going. a bandsaw blade will probably jump off the pulleys when it breaks. > >I busted a ring saw blade the other day while cutting through a piece of thick >Yough. The blade went off-track and jammed, probably because I tend to feed >the glass through from side to side rather then front to back. The piece of >glass broke, but I was OK (thanks be to all the "glass gods"!). It did give me >a bit of a scare. When I replaced the blade and started cutting again, I >realized how worn the old blade had been and that I was probably pushing the >glass a bit too hard as a result; that in combination with the wavy texture of >the glass getting hung up on the holes in the saw table..... I guess it was >bound to happen, but I hope I've learned how not to have that happen again! > >Any tool in good condition can be used safely, but if you misuse or abuse your >tools, you're cruisin' for big trouble! > > >Sparks -- Charles Spitzer Stratus Computer, Inc Speaking from Stratus, not for Stratus, Ascend, or Lucent ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 19:22:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:42:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Shari Higbee" , Subject: Re: Las Vegas glass show a waste? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:41:16 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Las Vegas glass show a waste?" on Mar 26, 14:22, "Shari Higbee" writes:] > but since I waisted my= > money on a so called glass fair in Las Vegas last year, I would like to > know > if this Source 99 is a more professional fair. > I've been sort of keeping an eye on the Las Vegas glass show since I live in > Utah and y'all seem to be back in PA/east coast. But I don't want to go if > it's a waste of time and money. Can someone tell me about this Las Vegas > "disaster" before I sign up? > > And when are you eastern Bungi coming out west to "glass in the mountains" > or something? I went last year and gained alot from the classes I took. As far as the trade show goes,..it was small. I didn't waste my money though,...I came back eager to apply what I had learned. BTW Tommy "G" is a super teacher! I plan on going this year,..How many bungi members are going? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 20:52:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:18:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Charles Spitzer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:20:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.152048.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19990326174609.009a5e30@atlas2.az.stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk On the Gemini fact sheet It says that yes, you can cut more than one peice at a time, but it is not recommended, as it shortens the life of the blade, and takes more that 2x the amount of time to cut two peices as one. Then on page 4 of the manual Gemini says, "Although cutting stacked glass can be accomplished better with the Gemini saw than any other saw, we want to discourage people from thinking it is faster. Blade life is severely hampered by this process and it should not be done unless it is imperative that all the peices be exactly the same shape. Cutting is actually faster one at a time." So, what I am reading is, yes it can be done, but we dont recommend it. Not like they use it as a promotional feature to sell their saw. T Suz Charles Spitzer wrote: > > i seem to dimly recall, from reading the brochure from the manufacturer a > while ago for this saw, that it is touted to go through multiple sheets of > glass, and could do at least 1.5" thick glass. i don't think it's outside > of the realm of possibilities that it should be used for precisely what it > is documented to do. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 21:14:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:22:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Updated location list Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.171940.0> Precedence: bulk I know I do. It is great to have. Thanks Steve K See Alexandria, VA "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp -----Original Message----- From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Updated location list >Hi Steve, >Just wanted to let you know that you are really doing a great job with the >location list!!!! Wow! You are really on TOP of it! Thanks so much and I >know that many other bungies really appreciate your work and dedication! >Lenore >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 21:14:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:00:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: perils of working at home... Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:06:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.15612.0> Precedence: bulk with small children. I was in my workshop/sunroom, foiling...I was there all of five minutes, my 9 yr old daughter was in her room reading, my 3 yr old imp son was watching a disney video. I hear my daughter issue a blood chilling scream, literally dropped what I was doing, and ran into the dining room fulling expecting the worst. I found a fire burning in the microwave. My son had put a box of constant comment in the microwave...and turned the puppy on. I dont recommend this. There is a large gaping wound in the top of my microwave. The type of smoke produced by this particular burning/melting plastic does not cause my working smoke detectors to go off. Now you see why I end up working all night, *after* the kids are asleep. I dread telling my husband when he gets home from work. Any ideas where to hide my son? :-/ T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 21:51:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:20:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: gjr@bungi.com, shigbee@stmassociates.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Las Vegas glass show a waste? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:19:35 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar27.41935.0> Precedence: bulk Glenna, Although I don't recall the people I asked after the Vegas show last yr. I made a note that the general impressions were good, and so, I signed up, and will be going this year. For those of you who haven't been to Las Vegas ever, it needs to be seen. BTW, we had occasion to stay at Bellagio two weeks ago, home of Chulhuly's (sp. sorry) ten million glass work in the ceiling, which also has to be seen to be believed . Richard Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 22:11:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:21:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Las Vegas glass show a waste? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:22:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990326202254.006af868@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Mar26.1464.0>> Precedence: bulk At 07:06 PM 3/26/99 -0500, Dani Greer wrote: >Message text written by "Shari Higbee" >> >And when are you eastern Bungi coming out west to "glass in the mountains= >" >or something? >< > >I second that motion, Shari! = > > >Best, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >(in beautiful, spring-y Colorado) >---- I keep thinking about a glass retreat in the Sierra Nevada mountains. Maybe we could encourage some western travel if we offered a "progressive dinner" experience with stops in several states? Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 26 22:23:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:54:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Subject: Glass Craft Expo '99 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:51:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.125131.0> Precedence: bulk Glass Craft Expo '99 will be held in Las Vegas April 8-11, 1999. Go to: http://www.ce1.com/glass/main.htm for details. I intend to go to meet with friends and just plain take a break. The classes do not interest me but I expect to get a lot out of seeing the exhibits of new stained glass products. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 00:27:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:58:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Las Vegas glass show a waste? Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:03:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar26.19353.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19990326202254.006af868@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk Steve Wernecke wrote: > > At 07:06 PM 3/26/99 -0500, Dani Greer wrote: > >Message text written by "Shari Higbee" > >> > >And when are you eastern Bungi coming out west to "glass in the mountains= > >" > >or something? > >< > > > >I second that motion, Shari! = > > > > > >Best, > > > >Dani Greer > >Greer Gallery & Studios > >(in beautiful, spring-y Colorado) > >---- > > I keep thinking about a glass retreat in the Sierra Nevada mountains. > Maybe we could encourage some western travel if we offered a "progressive > dinner" experience with stops in several states? > > Steve > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass I'd love to visit my old stompin' grounds! I'm game. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 02:14:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:53:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: perils of working at home... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199903270852.DAA24213@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > ideas where to hide my son? :-/ Make him a Velcro jump suit? Cover one wall in his room with Velcro? Install him? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 04:31:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:17:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Which glass saw is best? Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:13:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.111346.0> Precedence: bulk At 21:20 26/03/99 -0600, T Suz wrote: >On the Gemini fact sheet ....... >Not like they use it as a promotional feature to sell their saw. But somewhere along the line the multiple pieces possibility is being heavily pushed. As a one of the few retailers in the UK on line and easily contactable by enthusiasts all over the UK looking for stained glass equipment that they have read about on the internet I often get asked for band saws, and the main impression people have from any promotion they have seen/heard about is that one of the reasons for buying a ring saw or band saw IS to cut several pieces at once. It usually is the first thing most enquirers mention when I ask them why they want one - and then they dont believe me when I explain that it doesnt do the blade much good as you pointed out. Of course as the customer is always right I have never refused to sell them one, though I have often talked people into delaying buying one till they have bought everything else they really need. The problem is that most people dont get to read any fact sheet or clear instructions until they have actually bought the equipment, when it is too late to realise that it actually doesnt want to cut an inch of stacked pieces of glass into jigsaw shapes in a few minutes. What is the phrase that applies here - caveat emptor? (let the buyer beware) EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 05:02:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:42:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass Visions located! Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 06:40:49 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar27.114049.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the web address Albert!!! As usual, you can find ANYTHING on the web!!! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 06:02:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:44:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Tommy G was Re: Las Vegas glass show a waste? Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:43:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar27.24331.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Glenna Rand wrote: > > I went last year and gained alot from the classes I took. As far > as the trade show goes,..it was small. I didn't waste my money > though,...I came back eager to apply what I had learned. ********> BTW Tommy "G" is a super teacher! > He certainly is! He is a charming man who lives to empower people, to give others the confidence that they can master glass. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 06:33:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:19:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: Fw: New Virus Called Melissa Be Careful Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.31751.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE782A.4E6EDB00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0037_01BE782A.4E6EDB00" ------=_NextPart_001_0037_01BE782A.4E6EDB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After the trouble we had with the happy99 virus I thought I'd forward = this on. K See Alexandria, VA "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp -----Original Message----- From: David Barnes To: K See Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 1:28 AM Subject: New Virus Called Melissa Be Careful K. See: Hi! If you haven't heard of it yet; and especially if you are not = running a virus scan and remove program take a look at the article on = www.msnbc.com the technology page or the big banner it is now running = warning people about this quick spreading virus. called Melissa. Be = careful of subjects that read "important message from..... even if it = is someone you know and always be wary of attachments. See Ya Dave and Dale ------=_NextPart_001_0037_01BE782A.4E6EDB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After the trouble we had with the = happy99 virus=20 I thought I'd forward this on.
 
 
K See
Alexandria, = VA
 
"Art is the only way to run = away=20 without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 David Barnes <dlbarnes@erols.com>
To: = K See=20 <kseeglass@netzero.net>
Date:=20 Saturday, March 27, 1999 1:28 AM
Subject: New Virus Called = Melissa=20 Be Careful

 
  K. See:
 
Hi!  If you haven't heard of it yet; and especially if you are = not=20 running a virus scan and remove program take a look at the article on www.msnbc.com    the = technology=20 page or the big banner it is now running warning people about this quick = spreading virus. called Melissa.   Be careful of subjects that = read  "important message from..... even if it is someone you=20 know  and always be wary of attachments.   See Ya
Dave and Dale
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believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 07:07:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:45:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: NG-Museum Gel update Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:43:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.34314.0> Precedence: bulk I meant to send this to ya'all yesterday. K See Alexandria, VA "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp -----Original Message----- From: K See To: Yegnim@aol.com Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 10:14 PM Subject: NG-Museum Gel update >Hi Lenore, I don't think this is the product your thinking of. I have used >that in mailings that the mail house of our company does for others. I have >to get the info at the office, when I do I'll get it to you. > >I'm sending this to all...I purchased this museum gel, also know as Quake >Hold, to use for my delft collection. This way, I figured, I would dust them >more often as they would not move around. > >I put some of gel on a piece of glass, about the size of a pea, and attached >it to a plain piece of double strength. When I got home the piece slid off. >Last night I tried again, this time leaving it flat all night. This morning >I set it up in a 45 degree angle & when I got home it too had slid. > >I think the operative word in this product description is "plastic liquid". > >Now all I have to do is clean a million peices of delft, clean the shelves & >put this stuff on the bottom...anyone want to come over & help? :-)) > >I'll help with yours in exchange. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Yegnim@aol.com >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:09 PM >Subject: Re: glass easels (was:matching pattern in background glass) > > >> >> >> I just purchased a product called "Clear Museum Gel" from of all places >QVC. >>A >> 6oz jar cost with shipping & VA tax $15.13. Item# L60929 >> >>KSee, >>Thanks so much for sharing this info. I have been looking for this for >quite >>some time now and not knowing the name, it is quite difficult to find! I >>first noticed this used to attach things that came thru the mail. It was >>great with the way it just peeled off and it even seemed as if it might be >>reusable. There are other ways it can be used along with glass, in >marketing, >>etc. >>Lenore >> >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 08:37:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:24:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.megsinet.net!pjnelson From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: perils of working at home... Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:02:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.3248.0> Precedence: bulk >> ideas where to hide my son? :-/ > >Make him a Velcro jump suit? Cover one wall in his room with Velcro? >Install him? Do what I do with the dogs.... put them in dogcrates. . Paula Nelson uitland@glassdogstudio.com The Glass Dog Studio http://www.glassdogstudio.com/TGDS.htm vom Uitland Rottweilers http://www.glassdogstudio.com/uitland.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 10:47:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:20:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NGRe: perils of working at home... Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:24:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.52410.0> References: <<199903270852.DAA24213@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > ideas where to hide my son? :-/ > > Make him a Velcro jump suit? Cover one wall in his room with Velcro? > Install him? > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass You are one smart man Albert. What a great idea! lol...I need to put velcro on his toys too, then I might have better luck getting him to pick up his floor...I bet I could talk him into throwing them up against the wall. T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 13:37:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:03:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "K See" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG-Virus info that you can read Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:02:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.10219.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry about that. Here is the info I originally forwarded Hi! If you haven't heard of it yet; and especially if you are not running a virus scan and remove program take a look at the article on www.msnbc.com the technology page or the big banner it is now running warning people about this quick spreading virus. called Melissa. Be careful of subjects that read "important message from..... even if it is someone you know and always be wary of attachments. See Ya K See Alexandria, VA "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 14:11:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:35:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Unnatural Disasters =8-O Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:32:49 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar27.203249.0> Precedence: bulk First Elisabeth has a flood that nearly drops the ceiling on her 4-footed roomie, then T Suz's young'un tries an original recipe for tea and blows up the microwave...... I sincerely hope it's not true that disasters happen in threes! I'm very glad no one's been hurt or put out of their house in all this! Hope things get back to normal soon........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 14:29:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:43:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: perils of working at home... Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:42:36 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar27.204236.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/27/99 11:38:51 AM, uitland@glassdogstudio.com wrote: >>> ideas where to hide my son? :-/ >> >>Make him a Velcro jump suit? Cover one wall in his room with Velcro? >>Install him? > >Do what I do with the dogs.... put them in dogcrates. . Didn't Doris Day do something like that with the baby in the movie "Please Don't Eat the Daisies"? I seem to remember the kid being such a holy terror, she had to turn the play pen upside down on him to keep him out of mischief (back in the days of wooden play pens). Sparks, showing my age ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 15:15:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:34:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Herkimer Diamonds Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:32:57 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar27.213257.0> References: <<000601be7744$f3fa4820$61eebad1@rjlcon>> Precedence: bulk Jackie what a terrific idea that it. I wish I had thought of it. For those of you who have no idea what Herkimer Diamonds are they are double terminated quartz crystal that are only found in the Herkimer County area of Upstate NY. They each have 18 facets and would probably not be too difficult to foil and incorporate into any piece rather than a glob. Thanks for the great idea Jackie. I have lots of these diamonds that I have found over the years. They are very expensive but when you live here and know where to find them they are plentiful. There are many uses for them. People make all kinds of jewelry out of them. And those interested in crystal healing have many purposes for them. Jackie if you send me your snail mail address I would be happy to send you some. I always travel with a bag of them and give them to people. Even if they've never heard of them before they are usually fascinated by them since they are terminated on both ends unlike the common Arkansas crystals that only point on one end. I love to share them. Years ago when I had a jewelry business I was on vacation and went into a jewerly supply store in Ft. Lauderdale to pick up some findings and stuff. I noticed in the showcase that the owner had some beautiful pieces displayed (very very expensive). He said his wife made them years ago but found it too expensive to continue making them. I asked him if he was interested in bartering and went out to my car and came back with a bagful. You should of seen his eyes light up, he said you can't imagine how thrilled my wife will be when I come home with these. I must have given him at least 15 of them ( which I had found for free). I walked out with my jewelry supplies and I'm sure he wen't home to a VERY happy wife. I've seen crystals that would sell near here for about $5 for over $50 a crystal in Florida. It just goes to show that people don't usually realize what their own natural resources are until they go far away. I know one guy that found a cluster of them and sold it for $20,000. . Not too bad when the public places charge $8 a day to dig there. Thanks again for the idea Jackie. If and when I ever make something with them I'll scan a picture and share with you all. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 15:31:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:55:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scci.net!melissah From: Melissa Hall To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fw: New Virus Called Melissa Be Careful Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:46:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990327164604.006a265c@scci.net> References: <<1999Mar27.31751.0>> Precedence: bulk Hey! I take great acception to this virus!!! I've been called many things but never a virus!!! At 08:17 AM 3/27/99 -0500, K See wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE782A.4E6EDB00 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0037_01BE782A.4E6EDB00" > > >------=_NextPart_001_0037_01BE782A.4E6EDB00 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >After the trouble we had with the happy99 virus I thought I'd forward = >this on. > > >K See >Alexandria, VA > >"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." >Twyla Tharp >-----Original Message----- >From: David Barnes >To: K See >Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 1:28 AM >Subject: New Virus Called Melissa Be Careful > > > > K. See: > >Hi! If you haven't heard of it yet; and especially if you are not = >running a virus scan and remove program take a look at the article on = >www.msnbc.com the technology page or the big banner it is now running = >warning people about this quick spreading virus. called Melissa. Be = >careful of subjects that read "important message from..... even if it = >is someone you know and always be wary of attachments. See Ya >Dave and Dale > >------=_NextPart_001_0037_01BE782A.4E6EDB00 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type>Transitional//EN">href=3D"file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft = >Shared\Stationery\"> > > > > >bgColor=3D#ffffff> >
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Shouldn't you? >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download.html >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 15:50:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:30:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: British Columbian's Back Up ! Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:28:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.62810.0> Precedence: bulk Hi out there in Bungi land. Since I actually have an e-mail connection up and running, I thought I would try to get this out to let you know all of us up in the great wet north are still here. Chances are, by the time this actually gets routed through to you we will be back to normal (at least what we consider normal for us). Yesterday at approximately 2:00pm and continuing through the night and this morning, a combination of heavy snow pack and rapid melt caused several major mud slides and snow avalanches in the interior of British Columbia. All fiber optic lines heading East were severed and several of the major land line towers collapsed. We are still running with only three of the normal five major long distance trunks back up. Almost all non-essential electronic communication (especially the Internet and email) were down. It is estimated it will be midnight tonight before the backlog of electronic mail messages disappears. Some of your servers may have given up trying to get messages through to us. If any email messages you sent to anyone in British Columbia were rejected, I would suggest trying again tomorrow. I will try to get back to anyone who sent me anything tomorrow. I have so far only received two Bungi messages when there would normally be 30 or 50 in this time period. It's actually a beautiful day here on the coast. The storm which caused all these problems in the interior passed on through here and left us with a warm sunny spring day. Lord, I love living up here! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 19:05:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:07:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: rainbows-and-moonbeams.com!rhiannon From: rhiannon To: Suzanne , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: perils of working at home... Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990327201831.0079d280@rainbows-and-moonbeams.com> References: <<1999Mar26.15612.0>> Precedence: bulk My husband claims that's why farmer jeans for kids were invented. Put farmer jeans on the kids, a hook on the wall and hang the kids by the suspenders. Or, you could always hang them by the suspenders on a coat rack. At 09:06 PM 3/26/1999 -0600, Suzanne wrote: >with small children. > >I was in my workshop/sunroom, foiling...I was there all of five minutes, >my 9 yr old daughter was in her room reading, my 3 yr old imp son was >watching a disney video. I hear my daughter issue a blood chilling >scream, literally dropped what I was doing, and ran into the dining room >fulling expecting the worst. I found a fire burning in the microwave. >My son had put a box of constant comment in the microwave...and turned >the puppy on. I dont recommend this. There is a large gaping wound in >the top of my microwave. The type of smoke produced by this particular >burning/melting plastic does not cause my working smoke detectors to go >off. > >Now you see why I end up working all night, *after* the kids are asleep. >I dread telling my husband when he gets home from work. Any ideas where >to hide my son? :-/ > >T Suz >-- >"Winning isn't always finishing first. >Sometimes winning is just finishing." >Manuel Diotte >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 19:17:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:59:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Cool Quiz - NG Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.20211.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BE788C.B3750DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BE788C.B3750DA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="This is a cool quiz!!!.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="This is a cool quiz!!!.eml" Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with ESMTP id LAA12845 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:43:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from RRiemke@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id fXAJa13699; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: RRiemke@aol.com Message-ID: <80c68ba4.36fd1652@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:33:06 EST To: mbarker@officedepot.com, calvin@kuntrynet.com, kcordial@daltonfoundries.com, eldercare@kuntrynet.com, mhostetl@iupui.edu, Ingram8493@aol.com, DandMSki@webtv.net, DP1993@worldnet.att.net, vrmiller@yahoo.com, wjmiller@kuntrynet.com, wtm@kuntrynet.com, globegame@kuntrynet.com, angelica107@excite.com, riehm@noble.cioe.com, jwriemke@noble.cioe.com, Michael.D.Riemke.1@nd.edu, riker4@prodigy.net, tamis@soltec.net, Mssmith600@aol.com, RRUGERR@aol.com, jwilson3@fssa.state.in.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: This is a cool quiz!!! Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: e5af47644c8184cf457cf50a7e328093 Just thought that I would share this with you. I found it fun. Subject: Wish This is really cute... be sure to follow the instructions... the results to my answers were very interesting to me. Enjoy!! ONLY ONE WISH PER PERSON...... Try it, and don't cheat by looking ahead! You will be surprised At some of the answers. The Mind is like a parachute; it works much better when it's open. Here's something fun to do, but you must follow directions closely. Make a wish before you start the quiz Take the quiz as you read. There are only 4 questions, and if you scan all the way to the end before finishing you won't get the honest results. Scroll slowly and do each exercise. Don't look ahead. Get pencil and paper to write down your answers. You will need it at the end. This is an honest quiz, that will tell you about your true self. Enjoy! Chapter I. Arrange the following 5 animals according to your preference: Cow, Tiger, Sheep, Horse, Monkey Chapter II Write one word to describe each of the following: Dog Cat Rat Coffee Ocean Chapter III Think of somebody (who also knows you) that you can relate to the Following colors: (Please don't repeat your answer twice. Name only one person for Each color.) Yellow Orange Red White Green Chapter IV Finally, indicate your favorite number and favorite day of the week. Are you done?? Make sure your answers are what you TRULY > feel....... Last chance............ See interpretations below: But before going on, repeat your wish! Chapter I This will define your priorities in life Cow means career Tiger means pride Sheep means love Horse means family Monkey means money Chapter II Your description of Dog implies your own personality Your description of Cat implies your partner's personality Your description of Rat implies your enemy's personality Your description of Coffee is how you interpret sex Your description of Ocean implies your own life Chapter III Yellow - somebody who will never forget you Orange - someone whom you can consider as your real friend Red - someone you really love White - your soulmate Green - a person whom you will always remember for the rest of your life. Chapter IV You have to send this to as many people as your number states, and your wish will come true on the day you stated. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BE788C.B3750DA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 19:35:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:01:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Velcro suits Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.194939.0> Precedence: bulk Albert - I like how you think! I think I will expand the idea to the two cats, two parakeets and the teenaged daughter. Know anyone who is into Velcro? This could open up a whole new creative career! Suzanne - my sympathies. Everyone has always thought I was crazy for staying up until all hours, painting, playing with candles, etc. You just need a certain amount of quiet zany space to create, and it seems real hard to find during daytime hours. Tami ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 19:48:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:19:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: British Columbian's Back Up ! Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:19:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar28.2199.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/27/99 6:51:03 PM, atwoods@aisl.bc.ca wrote: >Yesterday at approximately 2:00pm and continuing through the night and this >morning, a combination of heavy snow pack and rapid melt caused several >major mud slides and snow avalanches in the interior of British Columbia. >All fiber optic lines heading East were severed and several of the major >land line towers collapsed. [...] There goes disaster number three..... I guess I shoulda kept my fat mouth shut. All right, whoever's causing all those disasters, enough already! Any casualties? >It's actually a beautiful day here on the coast. The storm which caused all >these problems in the interior passed on through here and left us with a >warm sunny spring day. Lord, I love living up here! Glad you're safe...... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 21:49:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:15:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ?Where to hid the son Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:00:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.17049.0> Precedence: bulk I like the velcro idea how about just velcro-ing him to the microwave right before your husband gets home with a note explaining what happened. I think that should take care of it. Hard to believe that children can get into so much trouble the few hours they are not in school. But the good news is they grow up. Good luck. Sue P ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 22:01:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:18:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #95 Steve Wernecke Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:19:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.161930.0> Precedence: bulk An early baby boomer, I was born and raised outside Chicago and now live close to San Jose, California. I have two younger sisters, one in Boston, the other in Philadelphia. After my father died, my mother moved to Arizona. I think of us as a centrifugal family. When I was 15, my family took a trip to Disneyland. This was the big time. Our previous family vacations had taken us all the way to northern Wisconsin. Let's just say my father didn't like traveling very much. I was taken with California. When I applied to college a few years later, I applied only to California schools. Location was the only thing they had in common. I ended up in the San Francisco Bay area through some decision process I still don't understand. My wife-to-be and I lived in the same CO-ed freshman dorm. We met in the laundry about a month after school started. She was a veteran there; I had finally run out of the underwear my mother had sent with me. I liked (and still like) learning new things, but I never had a strong goal to be a doctor or an astronaut or anything else in particular. I was good at math, which at the time didn't seem like a wise degree choice. I ended up majoring in electrical engineering and spent an increasing amount of time working with computers. In my first job out of school, I drifted toward software, which turned out to be a good decision given what's happened in the last two decades. By the mid 80s, we had two sons, I had hopped off the corporate ladder, and we had discovered that quality child care was hard to buy. I quit captive employment, set up an office in the home, and started to make a living as a free-lance software engineer. Being at home let me do several tours as Mr. Mom when my wife had office-bound employment. It was around this time that I took my first stained glass class. I remember very little about the class, but I'm still proud of the leaded parrot that greets our visitors. An empty nest is now on the horizon, and I got back to glass last spring. I was so excited about my return that I decided to make all my Christmas presents for family and close friends. Three lamps, two panels, one mirror, two suncatchers, and one mobile later I unplugged my soldering iron. It was seven minutes before gift-giving started. I began to understand why the pros call it silly season. When I was in elementary school I learned that I can't draw. As a result, "me" and "artist" were rarely part of the same thought. I'm trying to change that now. I joined IGGA a few weeks ago despite what is still that scary "A" word in the title. Time to unlearn an early lesson. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 22:12:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:19:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: E-Tour in MO Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:03:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.17349.0> Precedence: bulk I have talked with Mike at Summit Glass in MO. He is not ready to take reservations as of yet. He knew the date but was unsure of price or what will be happening that weekend. He was very nice and said he would email me when he was ready to take reservations. Oh by the way I have fixed my computer problem in the Publisher, but now I can't fix it in the email. I'll keep working. I have yet to try all the suggestions I recieved today. Later, Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 22:21:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:22:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 96 Bud Britt Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:23:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.162340.0> Precedence: bulk <> hmmmm he must have been talking to that "Brit Chick" My Bio: In 1997, I had what the doctors called a aneurysm in my brain. It was approx. nine months of intense pain, like someone was pounding a red hot rail road spike into my skull, it affected multiple points on my skull/brain... I lost a lot of memories, skills, skill knowledge, thankfully I was able to remember what my name is, and what family I belong to, (like the title of a book I saw awhile back, "at least my brain remembered me") who my mother is, who my stepfather is, and some close family members, and some learned knowledge like driving a car, washing myself, etc. During the year of 97', I was taken/went on two road trips. I also lost my Great Aunt after the first one, she went with me, not of her choice. We went from Boulder, Colorado to Lubbock, Texas in my camper with me babbling outloud with the thoughts that were exploding in my head. (In a way, I feel responsible for my aunt's death, since if she had not been with me, perhaps her body might not have been stressed to the point of giving up.) We flew in a airplane from Lubbock to Dallas, Texas. In Dallas, I talked by phone multiple times with the security force at a defense company that I used to work with (based there). When we left, drove up north through Oklahoma, Kansas, back to Boulder. She died within the week of getting back home. The second road trip started out with me just driving to the airport in Denver, parking the car, flying to Dallas, going back to the defense company, being told by the security force that I was never to come to that company again. From there it gets very sketchy, remember Nashville, Tennessee trading out rental cars, white Taurus for a blue Buick, then being in Washington D.C. and the Secret Service police questioning me about a greeting card that I sent the President (seemed that it was of Linus standing on a pedestal, and I told the President that he ought to watch out for those who would wish to knock him off his pedestal) I do not believe that I meant harm to him or anyone else, I was only reacting/responding to the intense pain/thoughts that were happening on a constant basis. I was photographed, searched, car searched, and told to go home. I remember another/different time, walking into the main police building in the nations capitol on my own feet, following the thoughts of where they told me to go, and going into their cafeteria, and having lunch. With all the folks in there looking at me kinda strange, no one told me to leave, only moved away when I sat down. Looking back, I would have moved away also, I most likely looked a mess, sleeping in car, wearing the same clothes for weeks on end, living out of a small cooler that I bought as a suitcase. They (Visa company) took the credit card away someplace in Virginia, one of the two Virginia's. Stopped to get gas, and the card was no good. Somehow got home (back to Boulder) on donations/handouts from people that gave me a little money here, and a little money there. Mainly followed the voices/thoughts about where to go, and who to ask for help. My uncle kicked me out when I got back, threw my stuff in the dumpster, my step father let me stay at his house for awhile, until he went to Lubbock and found my camper, I then stayed in my camper (69 Chevy PU with cabover camper) in his driveway until it started to get very cold, snow on ground in 97'. About this time, my mother asked me to come and visit. The love of a mother who can see past all the insanity, all the outward stuff and still see and love her own. I visited her here in California, and then became very clear that what I was to do with whatever I had left of a life, was to be of help to my mother. I have had to try real hard to remember/re-learn, and ask whatever is out there, for knowledge to help the church with their computers/sound/general stuff. I find that something that I did last week, is gone the next time I try and do it, and I have to figure it out all over again. Only someone once told me that I didn't learn to walk the first time I stood up, that I most likely hit my arse many times until I figured out what it meant to balance my body on my feet. I still get the spikes from time to time, they are not as severe as they were in 97' and 98'. Most of this following info, is from stuff Mom has told me. Born Boulder, Colorado in 1959. Moved to Kansas City, Missouri in 1962. Lived in the state of misery (Missouri)(something/joke heard somewhere) spending summers with grandparents in Colorado until about 14. Lived on Long Island, New York, north shore, and Amherst, Massachusetts for a year or two. Moved back to Kansas City, MO. Into drugs very heavy. At about age 20, got out of that situation, and went back to school. Got G.E.D., and attended college, then Trade school (DeVry technical school)(technicians diploma). Went to work at defense company in Dallas, Texas. (worked there for about 8 years)(never got security clearance, to much negative history/also lied about it on advice of a professional doctor)(layed off after 8 years) Worked nightshift (technical support) at Hometown Newspaper for a year to the day. (quit, to much stress) Worked at Computer Manufacturer in Boulder, the computer I am now using was built there by me. (employee purchase)(got fired, because late a lot, this is where the spikes in my head first started) That brings it up to 97'. As far as I can tell, and from what Mom has told me. I have worked hard at re-learning/figuring out on a moment by moment basis whatever it takes to be of help to my mom, the church, myself. It is a lot better than it was a year ago, I can walk a lot better, motor skills are much better now, my talking is still broken somewhat, my typing is the best of all. I can type my thoughts, better and faster than I can try and form words. The mental stuff is still not really good, only I am able better to see it when it gets out of kilter, I do not automatically follow/do the action that the thoughts/voices say, as the voice of "God" or whatever you may choose to call it, if you have a belief system that includes this basis. So, please, with this information, if I get a little out of kilter, and not seem okay in a message, please know that I am working on it, and that I may only need a gentle cyber hand to lead me back. Sincerely, Bud Britt Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 22:31:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:25:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 97 (update for Kris) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:26:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.16268.0> Precedence: bulk I did say I would write an update so I'd better get on it. Somehow this week has about gone, just like all the others! You can stash this away for a rainy day, or some desperate weekend when Toby is sniffing at your heels and your bio bin is empty. It might appease him for a day or two. Hello everyone! My name is Kris and my glass addiction is even worse than it was back when I wrote my first bio. I have been in Florida for 1 1/2 years now and without a "real job" for all this time, so you can just imagine....... I have not worked as a nurse since I moved and I will never do that again. I have had a hard time figuring out what I WILL do though and I think I finally got it down to three things. #3 is a network marketing business that I happen to like a lot, and it moves along and grows at its own pace. #1 and #2 are glass and website design, and the order of those changes almost daily. I spent a lot of the last year studying html and website design and it is something I really like, a great combination of a puzzle (how to code it so it actually works) and a creative outlet (how to make it look functional, pleasing, and attractive) I have also thought about glass for a long time. I put it aside, thinking it is too hard to make a living, I don't have the skills, and then I get it out thinking I can't put it aside because I love it. Last winter I met another glass person, formed a working partnership, and that has kind of launched me out there. I have spent a lot more time actually "doing" it which has really gotten my skills going, which I found out weren't that bad in the first place, and the more I do it and the better I get the more I see I can't give it up or put it on the back burner. I have also done a little torch work (beads) and I recently got a kiln, so my addiction has fast become hopeless I also have enough money invested at this point that I can no longer call it a hobby! Now that I have decided that glass is going to be a major part of my life I need to figure out how I am going to do this. Marketing! Yuck! Things are backwards in Florida so we are going into the slow season as spring approaches. I plan to spend this summer getting some sales going, getting my name out there, building up inventory, perfecting my designs and skills, and when the season hits next fall I will also look at doing shows. Thank you all on this list! I know I would never be where I am at today without everything I have learned around here, and it gives me courage and confidence to see others have done what I am trying to do, and have done it well. It is March as I write this, so give me a few more months and who knows where I am going to end up! If it involves glass and not going anywhere in handbaskets, I'm happy Kris Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 22:33:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:36:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pkelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Lurkers and Others Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:37:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.163728.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome to everyone. I am in need of bios for posting. Our list has about 700-800 members and I have only received about 100. How about sending me your bios for posting. I post 2 each Saturday and the members seem to enjoy reading about each other. Now .... no more Mr Nice Guy.... Send them to me or else I will bring more misery to the list.... Microwaved children, snow and mud in Canada (who would have guessed), glass saw disasters, hot water tanks bursting, and other unmentionable catastrophes. SEND THEM NOW! (please). Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 22:56:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:27:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: DR. ON DUTY Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:27:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.192740.0> Precedence: bulk Well at least we will have a DR. on duty for the next disaster , Hey DR SPARKS where are you? Take care , Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 23:07:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:31:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Dog Kennel Wanted! Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:31:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.193114.0> Precedence: bulk Well Sparks after running after my 3 year old grandson today, my neighbors portable 6ft. high ,10x10 dog pen sure did look good......Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 27 23:25:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:49:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Subject: Angel Window is done!!! Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:37:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.13374.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I want to thank all of you who helped me figure out the traced pattern for my Mothers Birthday present. Her B-Day, isn't until the 15th, but I got it done tonight and gave it to her. She really loved it. I will get a picture taken, and post it on a website for you all to see. Thank you again, Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 04:49:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:29:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: My soldering plans were ruined Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.12823.0> Precedence: bulk Ther I was, with two trays of things to solder...and I never got to them. My first grandchild was born Saturday afternoon! 8 lbs 10 oz and 21 inches, everyone is fine ( my son didn't go into shock or anything...) Thought you all could use some good news! And I couldn't resist. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 06:49:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:29:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: DR. ON DUTY Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:27:29 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar28.132729.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/28/99 1:57:50 AM, ABBIE23875@prodigy.net wrote: >Well at least we will have a DR. on duty for the next disaster , Hey DR >SPARKS where are you? Same place as usual, about 15 miles west of Philadelphia...... Of course, if you sign up for Steve's great "who's where on bungi" listing, you'll know that! :-) Sparks, eagerly awaiting the next issue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 07:02:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:35:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: My soldering plans were ruined Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:33:29 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar28.133329.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/28/99 7:50:01 AM, shad@mail2.nai.net wrote: >Ther I was, with two trays of things to solder...and I never got to >them. > >My first grandchild was born Saturday afternoon! [...] Hey, if you *must* have something get in the way of your work, better it be something like this! Congratulations, grandma! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 07:49:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:59:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio # 96 Bud Britt Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:22:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar28.142238.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/28/99 1:23:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, pkelly@n-link.com writes: about Bud Britt > So, please, with this information, if I get a little out of kilter, and not > seem okay in a message, please know that I am working on it, and that I may > only need a gentle cyber hand to lead me back. Bud sweetie, they put up with me out here on Bungi so I think you don't need to worry. I give you credit for telling what must be a very difficult story to tell and wish you all the best. Where and when did you start working with glass? IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 08:19:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:18:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ?Where to hid the son Date: Sun Mar 28 07:16:37 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.45437.0> Precedence: bulk >snip< the good news is they grow up grow up to get in bigger trouble? debbie taylor kleeman@one.net http://www.taylordexpressions.com your complete stained glass supply source 1-888-488-9616 -----Original Message----- From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 12:57 AM Subject: ?Where to hid the son >I like the velcro idea how about just velcro-ing him to the microwave >right before your husband gets home with a note explaining what >happened. I think that should take care of it. Hard to believe that >children can get into so much trouble the few hours they are not in >school. But the good news is they grow up. Good luck. Sue P >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 09:51:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:00:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Family Account Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X6830542-X-X" Subject: re: My soldering plans were ruined Date: 28 Mar 99 12:02:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199903281700.MAA27542@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X6830542-X-X Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations Dorothy! Wonderful news! My only grandchildren so far are four footed furry ones! The best of everything to you and yours! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com --X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X6830542-X-X Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations Dorothy!

Wonderful news! My only grandchildren so far are
four footed furry ones!  The best of everything to
you and yours!

Nadine


www.nadinesfolly.com --X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X6830542-X-X-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 10:06:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:34:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FYI Glass month in Michigan Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:35:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.33520.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I thought I would pass this along. I went to some of these galleries last year. Amazing work and awesome creativity. http://www.freep.com/fun/arts/qgal28.htm Jill Medlyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 10:23:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:31:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Oh yeah Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.72951.0> Precedence: bulk How could I forget? She's a girl! Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 12:21:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:12:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: 3rivers.net!aspenmdw From: "Dennis Toppel" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: NYC visit Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:09:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Mar27.5910.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014C_01BE784A.9F088000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any museums, galleries or retail stores that are a must see for a glass = enthusiast while visiting New York City? ------=_NextPart_000_014C_01BE784A.9F088000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any museums, galleries or retail = stores =20 that are a must see for a glass enthusiast while visiting New York=20 City?
------=_NextPart_000_014C_01BE784A.9F088000-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 12:41:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:25:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: Bonnie To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Melissa Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:25:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Mar28.32511.0> Precedence: bulk The latest word on thet virus, Melissa. I have found info/verification on two sites now: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/mailissa.html and http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2233116,00.html Everyone needs to read these and be aware of this easily missed virus. Jean _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 13:34:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:07:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: British Columbian's Back Up ! Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:05:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.4516.0> Precedence: bulk As far as I have seen on the news, no. The main mud slide was in a remote area - no people just long distance phone trunk lines (though I understand one of the railroad tracks was closed for about four hours too). -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 4:26 AM Subject: Re: British Colombian's Back Up ! >Any casualties? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 13:54:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:08:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" , "Carol Swann" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: British Columbian's Back Up ! Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:06:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.4621.0> Precedence: bulk Interesting. It was first sent to me by the technical people at Armourtech Internet Services Ltd. (aisl) (my provider), as to why no one had been able to get to many Internet sites and why no one had e-mail. I then saw a brief bit on the news on Global. I also know one of my computer clients in Vancouver was totally cut off from head office in Montreal. In fact, they still do not have the main high speed computer link back up and all the orders and invoices are being routed through regular phone lines rather than their T1 link. This is where I got the most recent update. I was asked to print out a bunch of financial reports so they could send them by courier. The regular electronic version was taking on the order of 5 to 10 hours per report to transfer by 33.6 modem instead of the T1 line. Perhaps your provider's main Internet link goes south instead of east? I know Armourtech's is through a subsidiary of BC Tel (who's fiber optic links took the most damage). -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 9:32 AM Subject: Re: British Columbian's Back Up ! >>Yesterday at approximately 2:00pm and continuing through the night and this >>morning, a combination of heavy snow pack and rapid melt caused several >>major mud slides and snow avalanches in the interior of British Columbia. >>All fiber optic lines heading East were severed and several of the major >>land line towers collapsed. We are still running with only three of the >>normal five major long distance trunks back up. > >Hi Tim...what are your sources for this electronic disruption theory? I >live so close to you, yet I haven't experienced this...have been getting my >usual 30 or so messages a day. The only thing I noticed was that my emails >seemed to be sent on Friday a little slower than usual. There must be other >lines going through Seattle that can be used. > >Methinks you alarmed the bungi world unnecessarily!. > >C. > > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: >http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 13:59:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:09:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Sue Prullage" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ?Where to hid the son Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:42:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.34230.0> Precedence: bulk The bad new is it will be at least another 20 years before they grow up... -----Original Message----- From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 4:26 AM Subject: ?Where to hid the son ...But the good news is they grow up.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 14:12:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:46:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Subject: Bud Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.10420.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, I read your bio and it is wonderful that you have found purpose in your life. I hope that stained glass fills your time as wonderfully as it has mine. I have found that I work differently now that I did in years past, but I still keep plugging away. Glass for me is my stresss reliever and that black hole I can just fall into at times. Sometimes I will look up and it will be 2 in the morning and I will have been out in my studio since around 9. Regards, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 15:25:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:15:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Dennis Toppel" Subject: Re: NYC visit Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:21:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199903282213.RAA15998@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Any museums, galleries or retail stores that are a must see for a > glass = enthusiast while visiting New York City? Oh, my! Dennis, you've just asked the "is there any salt in the ocean?" question: Metropolitan Museum of Art, see especially the American wing for the Bolton Window in the main courtyard. Lots of medieval glass just off the main passage as you walk straight back from the main entrance. See also their collection of Tiffany and La Farge stained glass. Brooklyn Museum has a bunch of Tiffany, too. The Cloisters (north of Manhattan, up the Henry Hudson if you're driving). Lots of medieval stained glass. Ask at the information desk of the main Met Museum for bus connections to the Cloisters. You get in free there if you've gone to the main museum on Fifth Avenue (70s) that same day. A zillion churches, most particularly Grace at about 10th and Broadway ... and while you're down there, be sure to go into the Strand Bookstore and see what there is in the way of glass books. Bargains are to be had sometimes. It's at 12th and Broadway. Nearby, Ascension at 10th and 5th Avenue, First Presbyterian at 12th and Fifth Avenue, Judson Memorial Church on the south side of Washington Square (it looks kinda like a bank). Uptown: St. Michael at 99th and Amsterdam, St. John the Divine at 110th and Amsterdam. That's 3-4 days of windows, at least. Have fun! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 15:41:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My soldering plans were ruined Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:31:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.103111.0> References: <<1999Mar28.12823.0>> Precedence: bulk Family Account wrote: > > Ther I was, with two trays of things to solder...and I never got to > them. > > My first grandchild was born Saturday afternoon! 8 lbs 10 oz and 21 > inches, everyone is fine ( my son didn't go into shock or anything...) > > Thought you all could use some good news! And I couldn't resist. > > Dorothy Can't think of a better reason not to solder! :o) Congratulations Dorothy on the birth of your new granddaughter. T Suzanne -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 15:55:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Pkelly" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Lurkers and Others Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:19:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.12197.0> Precedence: bulk Oh, hush up, Patrick. Otherwise we'll velcro *you to the wall tutu and all. Hahahaha. Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 16:30:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:07:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Congratulations Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:07:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar28.13730.0> Precedence: bulk Grandsons make it hard to resist a lot of things ,Dorothy. They just love their Mamaws...It only gets better....glad they are fine...Take care, Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 18:04:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:07:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: glassy places? Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:06:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990328190641.008acb60@pop.racsa.co.cr> Precedence: bulk Hi all, If all goes well, my family and I will be in Florida during May, and, of course, I would like to see anything=A8"glassy" while there. We will probably be from Orlando to Pensacola.....I was wondering what The Glass ARt Society Sizzling Sands:Engulfed in Glass conference is all about in Tampa... if it is interesting and open to non members, it might be worth driving the "wrong" way for??? Also we are thinking of going to the Yucatan... anything there in the way of glass? Thanks for any and all tips... I remember that someone said a while back not to miss the Morse Museum in Orlando. Any Bungians in these places? Meg RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL Apdo 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 19:32:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:19:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Herks Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:17:51 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar29.21751.0> References: <<008301be797f$6b4760c0$a1e5bad1@rjlcon>> Precedence: bulk Jackie, give me a while. I am leaving this Wednesday and will be back Sunday. So if you don't hear from me don't take it personal okay? Would you like small ones or bigger ones. I don't have many very good small ones, I have a lot of large ones. Maybe I'll send some of the bigger ones and then if you want more I could make arrangements to get some A grade ones to work with. THe ones I have aren't the greatest quality. But it's still cool to have them. By the way, how do you know about Herkimers? Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 28 20:03:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:57:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: British Columbian's Back Up ! Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:56:29 -0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > >Thanks for sharing Tim, >I wasn't aware but just watched the news and yes there has been 2 slides. With the first taking out the fiber optic lines. >It has happened in the Kootney's not the interior. >Seems Trail, 2 years ago was hit hard with mud slides coming straight down main street and the scare has returned again. >I live in the interior of BC and I could see the Fraser Canyon and Marble Canyon hit hard. Actually the Duffy Lake road between Lytton and Lillooet has been close already for 2-3 weeks due to rock slides. >Recently a trip to the coast and back have shown run off waters already starting to pour down from the cliffs, producing lots of waterfalls north of Yale on the far side of the Fraser River. >With the *record* snowpacks we have received this winter things could be very bad. Kamloops close to where I am, has been told to be prepared. If May produces alot of warmer weather, the Thompson River could very well cause alot of flooding. Luckily I'm south (sort of I think, GRIN) and I'm on Kamloops Lake, but high enough that the flood plain is not close to me. Things sure could get worse:( >Cindy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 05:08:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:58:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Off Line.....NG Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:56:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar29.115614.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungies, I may be "off line" for a couple of days, hence, if I don't respond, it's because the computer will be down. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 05:28:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:50:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lurkers and Others Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:49:54 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar29.114954.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 3/28/99 6:56:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: << Subj: Lurkers and Others Date: 3/28/99 6:56:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time From: GreerStudios@compuserve.com (Dani Greer) To: pkelly@n-link.com (Pkelly) Oh, hush up, Patrick. Otherwise we'll velcro *you to the wall tutu and all. Hahahaha. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 05:48:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 04:50:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Albert Lewis'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Glass Visions located! Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:52:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.25211.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks, I almost didn't go past the opening page because it said "1998" glass visions. Glad I clicked ont the enter button and got to the 1999 stuff. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis [SMTP:alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net] Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 9:43 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Visions located! I should have realized: http://www.glassvisions.com/ Pretty exciting site, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 06:22:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:28:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Bio # 96 Bud Britt Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:29:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.32955.0> Precedence: bulk Bud, Your story and unspoken love and gratitude to your Mom adds the "icing to the cake" of the angel looking over the child on the bridge. What a lovely thing for you to make for your Mom, under any circumstance, but especially considering your struggles and bravery. Please share a pic of the finished project with us (after you Mom has seen it). Thankyou for sharing yourself, Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 06:42:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'KSeeGlass@aol.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Abbie-ng Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:37:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.33749.0> Precedence: bulk Abbie, Please reply with new address. Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 07:27:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:23:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Latest Virus Date: Mon Mar 29 06:22:21 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar30.4021.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE79ED.A3A28620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This hasn't been checked out on the urban myth site but I got 12 of them this mourning so it is probably real. Folks there is an e-mail going around today that you should delete right away. Do not open the attachment it will just forward the message to people on your mailing list. In the subject box will be something similar to this: Important Message From ..., and then the message reads like this: Here is that document you asked for ... don't show anyone else ;-), Then there is an attachment, DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT, just delete the entire e-mail. Vic M. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE79ED.A3A28620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Latest Virus

This hasn't been checked out on the urban myth site = but I got 12 of them this mourning so it is probably real.

Folks there is an e-mail going around today that you = should delete right away.  Do not open the attachment it will just = forward the message to people on your mailing list.  In the = subject box will be something similar to this:  Important Message = >From ..., and then the message reads like this: Here is that document = you asked for ... don't show anyone else ;-), Then there is an = attachment, DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT, just delete the entire = e-mail.

Vic M.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE79ED.A3A28620-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 07:51:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:15:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lurkers and Others Date: Mon Mar 29 07:13:28 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar30.45128.0> Precedence: bulk dani i can picture you in a classroom with a ruler and patrick sitting at a desk of course, i have a sick sense of humor, too debbie -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: Pkelly Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 7:04 PM Subject: Lurkers and Others >Oh, hush up, Patrick. Otherwise we'll velcro *you to the wall tutu and >all. Hahahaha. > >Best, > >Dani >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 08:50:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:11:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Glass Visions located! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:18:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199903291610.LAA26057@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Thanks, I almost didn't go past the opening page because it said > "1998" glass visions. Glad I clicked ont the enter button and got to > the 1999 stuff. Hmm! I was going so fast (and was so delighted to be able to find it) that I didn't even notice the '98. Thanks for pointing out that the '99 info lies behind the "Click Here" button, Linda. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 09:50:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:14:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Latest Virus Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:11:46 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar29.171146.0> Precedence: bulk Just a note: you're right, the virus is not an urban myth, I saw warnings about it on the 10:00 news last night!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 10:07:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:16:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Glass Visions located! Date: Mon Mar 29 09:15:15 1999 Message-ID: <1999Mar30.65315.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7A05.4832A4BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Albert It also seems that last years workshops are being repeated again. (And no mention of Elizabeth.) I think the web page is still being modified for this years show. Let's give the nice folks at WC a chance to get it together before we go advertising it. Vic M. vmodiano@ctronsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis [mailto:alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 6:18 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Glass Visions located! > Thanks, I almost didn't go past the opening page because it said > "1998" glass visions. Glad I clicked ont the enter button and got to > the 1999 stuff. Hmm! I was going so fast (and was so delighted to be able to find it) that I didn't even notice the '98. Thanks for pointing out that the '99 info lies behind the "Click Here" button, Linda. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7A05.4832A4BA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Glass Visions located!

Albert

It also seems that last years workshops are being repeated again.
(And no mention of Elizabeth.)

I think the web page is still being modified for this years show.
Let's give the nice folks at WC a chance to get it together before we go advertising it.

Vic M.
vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Lewis [mailto:alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 6:18 AM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject: RE: Glass Visions located!



> Thanks, I almost didn't go past the opening page because it said
> "1998" glass visions. Glad I clicked ont the enter button and got to
> the 1999 stuff.

Hmm! I was going so fast (and was so delighted to be able to find it)
that I didn't even notice the '98. Thanks for pointing out that the
'99 info lies behind the "Click Here" button, Linda.

Albert
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE7A05.4832A4BA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 10:21:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:45:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Glass Visions located! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:53:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199903291745.MAA27318@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > It also seems that last years workshops are being repeated again. > (And no mention of Elizabeth.) > > I think the web page is still being modified for this years show. > Let's give the nice folks at WC a chance to get it together before > we go advertising it. Hi, Vic. When the question came up, I just called Warner-Crivellaro and asked where the information was. All I've done is pass along the information they gave me. As for Elisabeth's event, I think that's separate from Glass Visions. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 12:23:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:49:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:HiimLaura@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Latest Virus Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.94350.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:HiimLaura@aol.com > Just a note: you're right, the virus is not an urban myth, I saw warnings= about it on the 10:00 news last night!! -< Are we talking about the Melissa virus? If so, the Denver Post had an article about it in the Sunday edition, too. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 14:55:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:09:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: Shay Friel To: Richard LaVal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glassy places? Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.12535.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19990328190641.008acb60@pop.racsa.co.cr>> Precedence: bulk Hi Richard, i live just north of Orlando, in Altamonte Springs. The Morse Museum is great and there is a resturant there on Park Ave. that has several Tiffany windows inside. Shay Friel Richard LaVal wrote: > > Hi all, > If all goes well, my family and I will be in Florida during May, and, of > course, I would like to see anything=A8"glassy" while there. We will > probably be from Orlando to Pensacola.....I was wondering what The Glass > ARt Society Sizzling Sands:Engulfed in Glass conference is all about in > Tampa... if it is interesting and open to non members, it might be worth > driving the "wrong" way for??? > Also we are thinking of going to the Yucatan... anything there in the way > of glass? > Thanks for any and all tips... I remember that someone said a while back > not to miss the Morse Museum in Orlando. > Any Bungians in these places? > > Meg > RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL > Apdo 24-5655 > Monteverde > COSTA RICA > > PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 15:24:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:47:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:46:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.124651.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >B and Q DIY store < Elisabeth, what is that??? best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 17:20:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:43:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (from Pierre) Dorothy's Granddaughter's name Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:42:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.144217.0> Precedence: bulk Pierre here: Several of you have wondered if the granddaughter was named Emeraldine. No, she had the most appropriate name of Alicia. Em and I are honored to be imaginary godparents. We think Alicia is a great name for the grandchild of a glass worker. I'm sure you all remember the story of Ste. Alicia. Em is convinced that it is true. Let me remind you of the story. This was in the long ago. Glass was an expensive commodity. Only the grandest of dwellings had glass windows. This story takes place in the modest church of St. Joseph of the Multicolored Coat. Ste. Alicia, known in her life as Sister Alicia, was a nun of the order of The Lady of Rainbow. She was a woman from an ordinary family and did not bring much of a dowery to the convent, so she held no position of power. She apparently learned to read and write as an adult, since the scraps of writings that survive and are attributed to her are barely literate. Anyway, there's stuff about caring for the gardens and about how the more learned sisters would discuss things of great importance. In any case, Alicia just tried to do her best to make life for the Sisters of the Rainbow comfortable and harmonious. Alicia's primary job was tending to the church. She scrubbed the floor, she brought in flowers for the altar, she even fixed the shutters that covered the open windows.Everyone, according ot the legend, called her good-natured and hard-working. One of the great debates of the day was exactly what one had to do to become a saint..Suffering, martyrdom, miracles, all that. The sisters would debate it for hours.. Alicia figured she had no chance. The sisters lived in a peaceful part of the countryside. There was plenty to eat and little chance of being martyred. She just lived her life and tried to bring happiness and comfort to those she met. The story says that one rainy night there was a sick soldier being tended in the hospital house. Alicia knew nothing about medicine, such as it was in those days, so she did what she knew best, she went to the church and prayed. The soldier's fever broke just before dawn and one of the sisters went to tell Alicia how effective her prayers had been. She found Alicia on the freshly scrubbed floor, dead. She summoned the other sisters to pray over the body. The rain stopped and the sun began to rise. Beautiful, radiant light filled the church. The shutters were gone from the windows and they were filled with stained glass. The picures showed Alicia at prayer, showed her ascending into heaven, showed her being welcomed by the angels. One of the windows had an inscription on it. Different versions of the story have it saying different things. "Blessed are those who bring comfort to my creatures." "All you need is Love." That kind of thing. Maybe you've heard a different version? Now, Em finds the story wonderful just at that. However Senhor Jay Jay has been researching the ancient writings (the church no longer exists, of course), trying to reconstruct the patterns of the windows. Those writing describe glasses that COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE by the technology of the time. Those colors and textures and luminosities did not exist. In fact, I have been trying to reproduce some of those descriptions and it may not be possible. Em says the point is that Alicia earned the miracle through the generosity of her life. I wish I really knew what that glass looked like. Em says hello. (Pierre also lives in Dorothy's brain. Dorothy's been a bit tired, so her brain is very noisy lately.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 17:50:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" , Subject: >B and Q DIY store < Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:57:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.85711.0> Precedence: bulk |Message text written by "Toby" |>B and Q DIY store < How about a guess??? Bentley and Quigley Do It Yourself Store Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: Toby Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 03:43 PM Subject: Re: Cutting lead came |Message text written by "Toby" |>B and Q DIY store < | |Elisabeth, what is that??? | |best, | |Dani Greer |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 18:04:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:17:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" Subject: Thank you for the responses Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:06:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.9618.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I just want to say thank you for the all the responses that I received when my bio was posted. Some touched deeply, I showed Mom one of them that spoke about the window and the experiences. She said this sounds like a nice bunch of people. I am trying to figure out how to photograph a stained glass window, read a article in a magazine that showed a way, only it looks really involved, two posterboards with the window between, a small hole cut in one for the camera to shoot through, and floods on the insides of the posterboards for lighting. Taking your meter reading off a neutral gray card instead of the window. I got the magazine from a member of the church, he is west coast manager for Schott Glass. Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 18:53:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:56:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hollander glass Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:55:42 -0800 Message-ID: <199903300155.RAA28434@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all. Picked up a bunch of glass today from an ex serious hobbyist. A lot of it is seedy cathedral Hollander glass and some marked MGR (merry go round, I guess). I know Hollander's still in business and am wondering if anyone has any price info on their glass? C. PS Paid $50 for the works including a nice wooden carry crate with hinges and a bunch of old design books. A nice find I think... Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 19:24:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:39:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Cutting lead came Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:35:00 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar30.2350.0> Precedence: bulk How do any of you cut lead came that is less of an angle than 45 degrees. >From 90 ( L ) to 45 degree ( _/ ) cuts, I use my good old fan-style lead dyke. However trying to do that with a "sharper" angle tends to take a long time having to turn the piece over and using the dyke on both sides as well as cutting part of the heart out. I've never used a tradition lead knife. Is this a better way to tackle these kinds of cuts? Thanks. Keith ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 29 21:58:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:57:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:54:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar29.125436.0> Precedence: bulk >>How do any of you cut lead came that is less of an angle than 45 degrees.<< I use a lead knife that is quite sharp, rub a little soap on for lubrication and gently rock it back and forth. The knife is turned up about 90' at the tip end and so it is easy to push down while rocking from the top of the lead. One nice thing is that you get two nice long narrow ends out of this exercise. If you can not come by a fancy lead knife most hardware stores sell a tool for cleaning excess paint from paint rollers. The paint scraper part on the end works well as a lead knife. Never, never sharpen a lead knife by hollow grinding. The change in angle makes cutting lead hard and buggers the lead up. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 02:30:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:53:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Photographing stained glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:59:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199903300951.EAA11255@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I am trying to figure out how to photograph a stained glass window, > read a article in a magazine that showed a way, only it looks really > involved I've photographed hundreds of windows and it's not really that difficult. Just don't put anything behind it, particularly a wrinkled sheet. Whatever you put there, the camera will see it and the "liveliness" of the glass is deadened. What works best is to have nothing but tree and shrubs in the background. Set your focal plane very narrow (largest possible lens opening) so the background is blurred. Make sure the camera's perfectly square to the plane of the window ... and bracket, bracket, bracket: whatever your light meter says, shoot at that setting, then one f-stop higher and one f-stop lower. If the window's installed (in a church, say), bracketing is even more important. The biggest difficulty will be that the interior of the building will be dark, while the window's very bright. Be sure to take your meter reading on the *window. Good luck! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 05:32:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:42:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mwweb.com!lantam From: "Lance \"shadow\" Perrine" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:42:21 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 06:00:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:08:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!glasslass2 From: glasslass2@webtv.net (Val Dvorak) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Allentown or Maryland Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:06:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar30.3636.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I have never written before, I have just been a voyeur to the group for several months. LOL I have been doing stained glass for about 5 years, do it on the side. My question is, I have never been to one of these glass shows before, and I plan to attend one. I live in Pittsburgh Pa. so I sort of in the middle of Allentown and Maryland. Which show would you recomend? Which one do you think I'd get the most out of? Went to Warners once last summer. (loved that store) Thanks Val ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 06:28:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:34:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ipa.net!gecko From: "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: (from Pierre) Dorothy's Granddaughter's name Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:34:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar30.1341.0> Precedence: bulk What a lovely story. Thank you. Emeraldine and Pierre should emerge more often! Blake :-) -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 7:29 PM Subject: (from Pierre) Dorothy's Granddaughter's name >Pierre here: > >Several of you have wondered if the granddaughter was named Emeraldine. >No, she had the most appropriate name of Alicia. Em and I are honored >to be imaginary godparents. We think Alicia is a great name for the >grandchild of a glass worker. I'm sure you all remember the story of >Ste. Alicia. >Em is convinced that it is true. Let me remind you of the story. > >This was in the long ago. Glass was an expensive commodity. Only the >grandest of dwellings had glass windows. This story takes place in the >modest church of St. Joseph of the Multicolored Coat. Ste. Alicia, >known in her life as Sister Alicia, was a nun of the order of The Lady >of Rainbow. She was a woman from an ordinary family and did not bring >much of a dowery to the convent, so she held no position of power. She >apparently learned to read and write as an adult, since the scraps of >writings that survive and are attributed to her are barely literate. >Anyway, there's stuff about caring for the gardens and about how the >more learned sisters would discuss things of great importance. In any >case, Alicia just tried to do her best to make life for the Sisters of >the Rainbow comfortable and harmonious. >Alicia's primary job was tending to the church. She scrubbed the floor, >she brought in flowers for the altar, she even fixed the shutters that >covered the open windows.Everyone, according ot the legend, called her >good-natured and hard-working. >One of the great debates of the day was exactly what one had to do to >become a saint..Suffering, martyrdom, miracles, all that. The sisters >would debate it for hours.. Alicia figured she had no chance. The >sisters lived in a peaceful part of the countryside. There was plenty >to eat and little chance of being martyred. She just lived her life and >tried to bring happiness and comfort to those she met. >The story says that one rainy night there was a sick soldier being >tended in the hospital house. Alicia knew nothing about medicine, such >as it was in those days, so she did what she knew best, she went to the >church and prayed. The soldier's fever broke just before dawn and one >of the sisters went to tell Alicia how effective her prayers had been. >She found Alicia on the freshly scrubbed floor, dead. She summoned the >other sisters to pray over the body. >The rain stopped and the sun began to rise. Beautiful, radiant light >filled the church. The shutters were gone from the windows and they >were filled with stained glass. >The picures showed Alicia at prayer, showed her ascending into heaven, >showed her being welcomed by the angels. One of the windows had an >inscription on it. Different versions of the story have it saying >different things. "Blessed are those who bring comfort to my >creatures." "All you need is Love." That kind of thing. Maybe you've >heard a different version? >Now, Em finds the story wonderful just at that. However Senhor Jay Jay >has been researching the ancient writings (the church no longer exists, >of course), trying to reconstruct the patterns of the windows. Those >writing describe glasses that COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE by the >technology of the time. Those colors and textures and luminosities did >not exist. In fact, I have been trying to reproduce some of those >descriptions and it may not be possible. >Em says the point is that Alicia earned the miracle through the >generosity of her life. I wish I really knew what that glass looked >like. > >Em says hello. > >(Pierre also lives in Dorothy's brain. Dorothy's been a bit tired, so >her brain is very noisy lately.) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 08:06:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:02:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hollander glass Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:00:58 -0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk For what it's worth, Merry Go Round has not been in stock, in our neck of the woods (BC) for a long time. My old catalogue from *Bridget* in '87 goes as follows, with my hand scibble no longer in stock:-) MGR is hand cast and mixed which makes a very interesting color mix. Most MGR glass is compatable for fusing, with the exception of the hot colors and the iridescent glass. Looking at the price difference between MGR and Spectrum, it was slightly higher in cost at the time. Sounds like a good score! Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 08:33:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:37:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Glass Visions located! Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:36:31 -0800 Message-ID: <199903301536.HAA16908@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk > >> It also seems that last years workshops are being repeated again. >> (And no mention of Elizabeth.) >> >> I think the web page is still being modified for this years show. >> Let's give the nice folks at WC a chance to get it together before >> we go advertising it. > >Hi, Vic. > >When the question came up, I just called Warner-Crivellaro and asked >where the information was. All I've done is pass along the >information they gave me. > >As for Elisabeth's event, I think that's separate from Glass Visions. Albert...Elisabeth will be an integral part of Glass Visions 99. I don't know why Charles doesn't have it on the web page! She will be present both days as a guest celebrity. She will be offering intensive workshops throughout the country as separate events. Hope this clarifies things. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 09:01:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:29:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IGGA: Sources Guide '99 mails this week Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:27:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199903301527.HAA14501@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk > workshops and seminars (from April through October '96) Albert...you're definitely overworked and underpaid '96???? Just wanted to say thanks for everything you do for igga and all the time you put in on the bungi archives. It's appreciated. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 09:11:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:35:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Allentown or Maryland Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:34:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199903301534.HAA16376@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Everyone, >I have never written before, I have just been a voyeur to the group for >several months. LOL >I have been doing stained glass for about 5 years, do it on the side. >My question is, I have never been to one of these glass shows before, >and I plan to attend one. I live in Pittsburgh Pa. so I sort of in the >middle of Allentown and Maryland. Which show would you recomend? Which >one do you think I'd get the most out of? Went to Warners once last >summer. (loved that store) >Thanks >Val Val Glass Visions is at Warner Crivallero and apparently a great event. The workshops with Elisabeth in Maryland are just that...an intensive 2 day workshop in the techniques of English leaded glass. So it depends whether you want to go to a show and sale or a workshop... C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 09:40:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:12:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: etour in Missouri Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:11:53 -0800 Message-ID: <199903301611.IAA26605@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all Spoke with Mike Peck of Summit Studios this morning about the workshop he is hosting for Elisabeth. Contrary to what was posted here a few days ago he IS prepared to take registrations for Elisabeth's workshop which will be held at his studio on September 11 and 12. He hasn't put the word out to his clients yet so there's still time to get yourselves registered! C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at: http://come.to/The_E-Tour ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 09:54:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:49:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Glass Visions located! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:55:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199903301648.LAA16315@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Albert...Elisabeth will be an integral part of Glass Visions 99. I > don't know why Charles doesn't have it on the web page! She will be > present both days as a guest celebrity. She will be offering > intensive workshops throughout the country as separate events. Hope > this clarifies things. Oh, I didn't realize the two events were simultaneous. I suspect it's not up on their site (yet) 'cause they're busy ... or maybe because IGGA's promoted the Roberg events so widely. Nah, can't be that. As for clarification, thanks. I thought (felt) Vic was beating me up a little bit, not that I've lost any sleep over it. (I've lost sleep, sure, but not about that ... too much to do, so little time.) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 18:07:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!ABBIE23875 From: "Evelyn C Mason" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: St.Alicia:very nice Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:21:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar30.152137.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you for sharing this with us, Dorothy......This little girl has a special grandma! Take care, Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 18:26:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:11:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Shirley's List" Subject: Hot work Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:07:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar30.9746.0> Precedence: bulk I ran across this and post thinking that someone might be interested. Bob glass business Posted By: Mark Colchagoff Date: 1/23/99 13:11 I've worked with glass since 1968 but never made any money with it . It sucks up money now that i'm operating a furnace, gloryhole and annealers. It's my intension to sell lessons in the glassblowing feild to help me pay the $250 a week in gas and electricity that my shop sucks up. But there don't seem to be very many people who are willing to subject themselves to the heat, sweat, and heavy labor that I'm in love with. I'm hoping that this message will find someone from the Toledo Ohio area who has an intrest in my art. If so, contact Sandburn@glasscity.net. Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 18:42:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:02:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Jenna Sanders... Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:08:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar30.1489.0> Precedence: bulk Will you email me privately please? Thanks T Suz -- "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing." Manuel Diotte ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 30 19:03:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:03:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Cutting lead came Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:07:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Mar30.14748.0> Precedence: bulk I use something called the Curtro Cutter... It's like a mini guillotine... Works great.. I've been using it for several years now.....For production type stuff you cant beat it...Cant remember how much it was but surely Warner-Criv. should have it... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 3:31 PM Subject: Cutting lead came >How do any of you cut lead came that is less of an angle than 45 degrees. >>From 90 ( L ) to 45 degree ( _/ ) cuts, I use my good old fan-style lead dyke. >However trying to do that with a "sharper" angle tends to take a long time >having to turn the piece over and using the dyke on both sides as well as >cutting part of the heart out. > >I've never used a tradition lead knife. Is this a better way to tackle these >kinds of cuts? > >Thanks. > >Keith >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 31 10:16:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!jayehoule From: Jaye houle To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: studios Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar31.7324.0> Precedence: bulk I'm looking for information on designing a studio space. Any suggestions= ? Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 31 13:22:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:21:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!BOBDU From: "Bob E Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Jaye houle" Subject: Re: studios Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:18:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar31.41859.0> Precedence: bulk >>I'm looking for information on designing a studio space. Any suggestions=<< What square footage is available to you, etc.? Please send to the list as much info as you can that will help with replies. Bob Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Think glass: have class. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 31 15:48:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:34:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Work from Home - Expert Huff - (http://www.ivillage.com/content/0,1625,20682~2 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:34:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Mar31.163443.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE7B94.61EC3980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know it has been awhile since we talked about marketing ourselves - but I know it must be an ongoing concern. I thought this site might prove helpful. Let me know what you think. Tami http://www.ivillage.com/content/0,1625,20682~267,00.html ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE7B94.61EC3980 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=" Work from Home - Expert Huff -.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=" Work from Home - Expert Huff -.url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.ivillage.com/content/0,1625,20682~267,00.html Modified=009E9529947BBE012A ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE7B94.61EC3980-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 31 16:19:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:05:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Light Box Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:57:51 EST Message-ID: <1999Mar31.225751.0> Precedence: bulk Found a copy of a sketch with directions on making a light box. Know this is very late, but if the person who asked the question is interested, I can scan it to you, or anyone else interested in making a light box. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 31 20:22:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:26:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: "Bungi" , Subject: NG Re: Britt Chick Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:13:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Mar31.111327.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Lenore, No, I thought the Britt Chick thing was about someone else with the name. No offense taken. I have finally understood that the Elisabeth is in England, and is coming over to do some workshops. I would like to go, only none of them are in or around the Los Angeles Area. I have not driven a great distance for a long time, last time I went by myself to Colorado, and the pains in my head got real bad, rapid change in altitude or something else. They did not operate, since they had me at a student/teaching hospital with no insurance. Also I saw a t.v. documentary (about the same time, I think) that was about brain surgery and the MIR/CAT scan machines, and at the end a doctor basically said to the camera, "We really have no in-depth information into what areas of the brain perform just what functions, we are still very much hit and miss". I decided right then and there, that I would prefer to live out the rest of my days with what ever I had left upstairs, then to allow someone to go into my head and play God without having the schematics or master diagrams to how my brain was put together. I shared this with Mom, and she has supported me in my choice. I spend most of my time in service work of one form or another, Mom has sent me to a few doctors, the government has tested me thoroughly, and placed me on disability. It takes care of food and gas, and sometimes I splurge and get glass, or something to make some craft with. I live with her here in California, and help at the church where she is Senior Minister. The chronic aneurysm from what the doctors said it was/is. Caused the loss of the majority of my memory, what memories from the past that I have now is like little bits of torn pictures, and none of them fit together real well. And memory in the present is still very transit, something I did last week, or yesterday, I have a problem remembering, it takes a moment or two to sift through, and see it something stuck. It took awhile to get okay with that, and get into the reality that life and living is a moment by moment deal, and that in the moment, we are who we choose to be and do, in that moment. I know that this sounds noble and all that crap, only this is what it has come down to, or perhaps it is a little cynical, (thank God for spell checkers, or you all would know just how bad a speller I really am), of living life, or having life live me, on a moment by moment basis, and trying to make the best I can of each moment that I can savor, be it a dull moment, a tired moment, a feeling moment, a crazy decision moment,,, Had one of those today, told the ex-girlfriend that we could work on the relationship, if she wanted to. With the condition that she be willing to accept what I am willing to give, and not demand anything more. The breakup was mainly about her jealousy, and her attempt to undermine or damage my relationship and time with my Mom. Which is closer than it has ever been from what she tells me, and my Uncle and Stepfather also. It helps, when you have mother who wants you, just for you, not what you can do for her, or be for her, just for you. I try really hard to help her, spend long hours figuring out how to put together a website for the church, set up a few computer at the church for them to get into the present century, run sound and the tape ministry at church, help around the house, etc. I try and keep busy, and work what I got left upstairs, one of the doctors told me that it is possible to retrain my brain to use what is left, and it has gotten much better, I can talk better, walk pretty darn good now, running is still a little clumsy, have not tried to ride my bike (afraid of falling off, and hitting my head), this early morning, I figured out and cut, and built a octagon clam shell box in dark blue wispy iridescent with a dark green moss agate stone in the top, it's already gone, the ex-present-girlfriend took it, she had already said that she wanted the moss agate. Well, better shut these fingers up, they are running off at the fingers again,,, ;-) Sincerely, Bud Britt Unity Church of Tustin computerministry@unitytustin.org http://www.unitytustin.org 14402 South Prospect Ave. Tustin, CA 92780 714-730-3444 -----Original Message----- From: Yegnim@aol.com To: computerministry@unitytustin.org Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 03:06 PM Subject: Britt Chick |Hi Bud, |Don't know if you caught on yet, but the Britt Chick is Patrick's way of |teasing Elisabeth of Elisabeth'n Toby. You mentioned something about it in |your biography and I wanted to clear that up, if you were still confused. |Are you planning on attending an Elisabeth Workshop at Meredith Stained Glass |or attending Glass Visions '99? |Your autobiography was very sad at times. I felt though that it was |incomplete. I hope you don't mind my commenting, as I feel concern. Did you |have surgery? Hence, you would have to relearn lots of things. |Good luck to you Bud and welcome to bungi!!! |Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 31 22:39:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:11:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cros.net!soraya From: "Soraya" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Hot work Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:08:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Mar31.19825.0> References: <<1999Mar30.9746.0>> Precedence: bulk > I've worked with glass since 1968 but never made any money with > it . It sucks up money now that i'm operating a furnace, > gloryhole and annealers. It's my intension to sell lessons in the > glassblowing feild ..... > I'm in love with. I'm hoping > that this message will find someone from the Toledo Ohio area who > has an intrest in my art. If so, contact Sandburn@glasscity.net Thank you Bob for posting this!! I happen to live in the area.....I will be in contact soon with this gentleman to see if I can afford the lessons and arrange a schedule. (Time is precious right now....I just started college (again!) yesterday!) Again...thank you! Take Care, Soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya Can be reached at... soraya@cros.net ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Soraya's Witches' Thicket is at... http://www.cros.net/soraya ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Not failure, but low aim, is crime. --James Russell Lowell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 31 23:40:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:05:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!glasslass2 From: glasslass2@webtv.net (Val Dvorak) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: stepping stones Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:04:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Mar31.20423.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Help! Is there any way to repair a piece of cracked glass in a stepping stone? The stepping stone I just finished came out with a crack in a large piece of the glass. This has never happen before, don't even know why it happen now. LOL. Am I asking for to much? Thanks. Val ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass