From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 06:07:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:01:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!wellwood From: "wellwood" To: "Shakeel Abedi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:58:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.25858.0> Precedence: bulk Zipper is a thin and flexible copper u-came which is perforated along its length and feels like a normal trouser zipper to the touch. I haven't bought any is a few years due to being overseas, but I used to buy it by the foot at my local glass supply stores in Ottawa and in Petawawa, Ontario. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 06:35:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:29:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: "Daniela Birkelbach" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: <19981201132835.HSUT18504@vic> Precedence: bulk I have used braided pre-tinned copper wire on the two round panels I have made so far. The first one I made, I used the braided wire alone. The wire is pretty thin so I used 6 strands together, secured stationary to my bench with the other end wrapped around a 6 inch piece of 1/4" wood dowel. When I twisted the dowel a braid was formed of the wire. The second panel is framed with a combination of U shaped came with the braid soldered to it. The effect is similar to the rope chain and bezel setting used by jewelers to mount gold coins and medals. This way is double work but the final effect was worth it and hopefully stronger IMO. By the way, there is actually a tool sold for twisting the wire. Ciao Vic LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM Vice President Feist & Feist Realty Corp. ---------- > From: Daniela Birkelbach > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: framing a round panel > Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 12:15 PM > > Hi everyone! > > I'm making a 14" diameter round copper foil panel. Is the best way to > frame it with U Lead came? Any other suggestions welcome! > > Thanks! > > Dany > > Daniela Birkelbach > Software Consultant > dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany > ********************************************************************** > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 07:05:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:56:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: tifstyorig@juno.com (Diane W Manchester) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:55:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.35526.0> Precedence: bulk Another suggestion for framing a round panel, or oval, first, solder H came to create the "frame", then twist a second came strip and solder around. It gives a nice finishing look, and hides any small dips to create the perfect circle. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 08:11:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:19:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: "Charles Spitzer" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:15:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.11526.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: vlg@worldnet.att.net To: dany@city-net.com Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 6:32 AM Subject: Re: framing a round panel > >By the way, there is actually a tool sold for twisting the wire. tie the ends of the wires to something solid. put the other ends in your variable speed power drill. turn on drill at very slow speed. >Ciao > >Vic LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM >Vice President >Feist & Feist Realty Corp. > > >---------- >> From: Daniela Birkelbach >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: framing a round panel >> Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 12:15 PM >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> I'm making a 14" diameter round copper foil panel. Is the best way to >> frame it with U Lead came? Any other suggestions welcome! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dany >> >> Daniela Birkelbach >> Software Consultant >> dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany another method that i've used is to frame the piece with 1/4" H lead came, and then solder jack chain in the outer part of the H. this is a very strong way to hang it, since the hanging chains are attached to the surround chain which holds the weight instead of using the lead to hold the weight. regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 08:37:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:18:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, wellwood@netcom.ca Subject: Re: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:02:59, -0500 Message-ID: <199812011502.KAA12990@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk There are at least three brass filigree U channels available that could qualify as zipper. They are in a leaf, daisy and plain pattern and readily form around bevels, etc. for a finished effect. Not as strong as brass came but plenty strong for a 14" diameter panel. You can tin the brass if desired. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Sübscribe E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 09:00:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:33:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:26:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.52643.0> Precedence: bulk I double #26 brass wire over a door knob, attach the ends to a cup hook in the end of an electric drill and, at slow speed, twist it. Then I double it and twist it again. You can keep this up and make brass cord any thickness you want. It makes great halos for window catcher angels, as well as reenforcing material for panels, or staffs, wands, etc. You can solder it or leave it plain... Arnold Schneider Creekside Creations Richfield, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: Vic To: Daniela Birkelbach Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 9:54 AM Subject: Re: framing a round panel >I have used braided pre-tinned copper wire on the two round panels I have >made so far. > >The first one I made, I used the braided wire alone. The wire is pretty >thin so I used 6 strands together, secured stationary to my bench with the >other end wrapped around a 6 inch piece of 1/4" wood dowel. When I twisted >the dowel a braid was formed of the wire. > >The second panel is framed with a combination of U shaped came with the >braid soldered to it. The effect is similar to the rope chain and bezel >setting used by jewelers to mount gold coins and medals. This way is >double work but the final effect was worth it and hopefully stronger IMO. > >By the way, there is actually a tool sold for twisting the wire. > >Ciao > >Vic LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM >Vice President >Feist & Feist Realty Corp. > > >---------- >> From: Daniela Birkelbach >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: framing a round panel >> Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 12:15 PM >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> I'm making a 14" diameter round copper foil panel. Is the best way to >> frame it with U Lead came? Any other suggestions welcome! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dany >> >> Daniela Birkelbach >> Software Consultant >> dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany >> ********************************************************************** >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 10:10:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:33:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: problem with lead came nippers Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:44:32 -0800 Message-ID: <199812011644.IAA24904@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Well, so far, everyone things my nippers have been used to cut wire...not so, unless my dog's taken up some kind of hobby while I'm out...I'm lucky that no one else uses my studio. Any more ideas? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 10:32:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:20:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'BOB DUCHESNEAU'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:19:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.71959.0> Precedence: bulk Oh, now I know what a zipper is. Linda BOB SAID There are at least three brass filigree U channels available that could qualify as zipper. They are in a leaf, daisy and plain pattern and readily form around bevels, etc. for a finished effect. Not as strong as brass came but plenty strong for a 14" diameter panel. You can tin the brass if desired. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 10:45:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:35:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:49:18 -0800 Message-ID: <199812011649.IAA26085@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >By the way, there is actually a tool sold for twisting the wire. For goodness sake...don't buy the tool for twisting the wire. All you need is an electric drill and a nail. Hammer the nail into the end of your work bench, hook the middle of a piece of wire around it, put the 2 loose ends into the drill chuck, tighten the chuck and drill. Presto...all the twisted wire you'll ever need. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 11:28:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:33:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: problem with lead came nippers Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:31:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.8311.0> References: <<199812010044.QAA26031@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk There is a possibility of wear, even if the young Gremlins haven't been using them to cut wire, nails and assorted other things. If you don't mind me asking, were they the cheaper choice? IMHO, when it comes to cutting implements, get the best you can afford (sometimes even if you can't). The difference between a lead knife that costs $7.95US and one that's $24.95US is not that the cheap one may last 1/3 as long as the expensive one, but maybe only 1/10 as long. They may be able to take a sharpening, but if they are not made of good steel, the edges may not hold an edge, even if they only cut lead. Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 12:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:48:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: problem with lead came nippers Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.94554.0> Precedence: bulk Have you been cutting wire with your nippers?? Have your been cutting = wire with you nippers?? Boy, have I heard *that before!! And, yes, I did cut wire with them because they're so much sharper than regular wire cutters, so there! Now, I have two pairs, one I use for wire, one for lead. Carol, you either have a flawed pair... maybe you could get an exchange from the supplier. Or, if you have one of the cheaper pairs, well, they don't last as long..... go for quality... buy the Fan-Outs.... and make sure your dog stays away form them;-) !! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 12:50:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:51:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Re: My new web site! Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.94937.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Dani Greer, 105715,1412 TO: "suzy@comcat.com", INTERNET:suzy@ComCAT.COM DATE: 12/1/98 12:48 PM RE: Copy of: Re: My new web site! Nice work, Christie! I'd like to see some more of the solar system series. Also, kudos to Albert again. Now, if we could get the potential buyers to see that work, wouldn't that be the ultimate!! Best regards, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 13:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:52:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: framing a round panel Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:49:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.94934.0> Precedence: bulk Carol says: "For goodness sake... don't buy the tool for twisting wire." Dani says: "Amen!" Best, D. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 13:31:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:26:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: bill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: UPDATE: Re Cutter's Mate Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981201152330.007bed70@popd.netcom.ca> Precedence: bulk hi all!....i got in touch with the manufacturer of the "Cutter's Mate" and we chatted about the product.......he has a website up and running with some basic info about the product if anyone else out there is interested in checking it out.......the address is as follows: http://www.aboutrtown.com/~rs/csglass/ ......a local stained glass store was kind enough to see about getting one in for me next week to give it a try.......i only wish it were as cheap here as you can get it in the U.S..........$189.00!!!..........i can't believe it!!.........up here it's twice that!!.......i gotta start doing some number crunching with the currency exchange,shipping,duties and taxes here to see if i can save a dollar or two......well, just thought i would let you know what's happening......bye for now.......Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 14:32:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:43:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Introduction & Foiler Date: Tue Dec 1 13:42:35 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.111835.0> Precedence: bulk When I learned to work on a car engine, the guy teaching me said stay away from the "cute" special purpose tools. That cost a lot of money and you never really learn how to do it if you rely on all the gizmos. That was back in '77 before the "all electric/computer controlled/ can't adjust squat" engine. The important lessons stayed with me: Don't rely on gadgets! If you learn to foil by hand you will always be able to do it. Your skill will improve with time and practice. There is also nothing like the looks you get sitting out in public, quietly foiling glass. You can't do that with a foiler. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hart [mailto:steve.hart@ces.uwex.edu] Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 4:05 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Introduction & Foiler Hi fellow stained glass glassers: Let me introduce myself. My name is Steve and I am from Wisconsin. I took a stained glass class about a year ago and loved it. I really have not done much since that time (not enough hours in the day) but I did but a lot of pre-cut kits to work on. I am presently replacing the clear glass in some attic windows with stained glass and working on a panel for one of the windows. I need your advice. What kind of foiler to you use and why? Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 15:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:40:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: My new web site Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.113838.0> Precedence: bulk For those of you wondering, yes, Albert's done it again. You can now see a few of my stained glass creations at my new web site (thanks to Albert)... http://www.igga.org/wood/ Check it out. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 17:18:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:01:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: UPDATE: Re Cutter's Mate Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:46:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec1.14467.0> Precedence: bulk Bill........save your money......spend it on something more important. I was wondering what would possess someone to purchase this . Looks more like a dental drill than a glass cutter. No disrespect to the inventor but I don't travel with a glass cutter and I certainly don't sit when I cut glass. Maybe if you just add a motor it will do it all. Just my personal opinion. my best, pj (back to lurking where she belongs) www.waterw.com/~artglass -----Original Message----- From: bill To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 5:17 PM Subject: UPDATE: Re Cutter's Mate >hi all!....i got in touch with the manufacturer of the "Cutter's Mate" and >we chatted about the product.......he has a website up and running with >some basic info about the product if anyone else out there is interested in >checking it out.......the address is as follows: > > http://www.aboutrtown.com/~rs/csglass/ > >......a local stained glass store was kind enough to see about getting one >in for me next week to give it a try.......i only wish it were as cheap >here as you can get it in the U.S..........$189.00!!!..........i can't >believe it!!.........up here it's twice that!!.......i gotta start doing >some number crunching with the currency exchange,shipping,duties and taxes >here to see if i can save a dollar or two......well, just thought i would >let you know what's happening......bye for now.......Bill > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 22:12:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:34:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:51:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec2.45119.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-12-01 17:34:06 EST, daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano@aol.com writes: << If you learn to foil by hand you will always be able to do it. Your skill will improve with time and practice. There is also nothing like the looks you get sitting out in public, quietly foiling glass. You can't do that with a foiler. Vic >> I'm with you, Vic. Foiling is one of the few stained glass tasks portable enough to go to the hockey rink, the soccer field, community meetings, etc. If I have to go, I might as well be productive! Ann Harvard Art & Glass Works ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 22:34:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:08:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: twisting wire Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:06:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec2.568.0> Precedence: bulk I made an open loop out of very heavy gauge wire that will fit into the chuck for my Dremel ....I then use a small "C" clamp to hold the loose ends of wire to a shelf and then slip the loop end of the wire into the metal loop in the Dremel......turn the Dremel on low speed and twist away. I twist 20 gauge wire, then loop it again and twist to make my halo's for my larger Angels........looks great. Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 1 22:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:57:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Soldering Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:48:13 -0000 Message-ID: <199812020552.AAA22323@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk There was a thread a couple of days ago about soldering, and I remember someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were caused by soldering in a cold room. Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was hot, the flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - silvered foil (silver on both sides). Has anyone else experienced this problem? Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 01:19:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:58:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: problem with lead came nippers Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.85156.0> Precedence: bulk Well, so far, everyone things my nippers have been used to cut wire...not so, unless my dog's taken up some kind of hobby while I'm out...I'm lucky that no one else uses my studio. Any more ideas? C. Carol Swann Sometimes problems can be due to wear on the tools pin bearing that holds the jaws together and the faces do not close together properly so the cutting faces do not match on closure.The jaws can be sharpened very carefully using an engineers slip stone and kerosene.This is a very fine abrasive tool sharpening stone that can be got in different shapes from professional tool stores.The ones I use are 3/8 of an inch square and four inches long or 1 inch wide and 1/4 inch thick by four inches long. You wet the slip with kerosene then wipe it on the tools cutting edges taking great care to keep the same cutting edge shape. Experts job really,sling the tool and buy a new one. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 04:20:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 03:42:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: "Dani Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: framing a round panel/Gizmos Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:45:03 -0500 Message-ID: <19981202114102.TAH15045@vic> Precedence: bulk Now you tell me!! I already bought that "thingy". I used to use the power drill method along with the "trapezium method". The trapezium method is where my cousin from the flying Tortoni, Maroni, Bologna and McNally's hangs and spins using a mouth gizmo attached to tinned copper strands from a platform 60 feet off the ground. (I've lost two cousins and 14 onlookers using this method so far. ((They're known as the Bologna's and McNally's these days)). Gizmos (what ever their apparent use is) are good "things". Just ask me for I am expert on these "things". I own them all as of 5:00 this morning!! Who knows what "things" will appear from the vapor today. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---------- > From: Dani Greer > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: framing a round panel > Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 2:49 PM > > Carol says: > > "For goodness sake... don't buy the tool > for twisting wire." > > Dani says: > > "Amen!" > > Best, > > D. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 06:25:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:51:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: soldering irons Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:50:48 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec2.135048.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all, I have a question that has been bugging me for a while. Could somebody please tell me the proper way to clean/use a soldering iron? I purchased an 80 watt weller iron, am not using a retrostat with it. I was led to believe I didn't need one. But the tip gets gunky fast. I wipe it on a damp sponge while soldering. Sometimes the end turns a bluish/coppery color, and the solder gobs up and looks nasty on the tip. Could someone please end my misery and explain the proper care/usage of an iron? Thanks, Susan Alabama ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 07:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:00:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: framing a round panel Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:03:54 -0500 Message-ID: <19981202135940.EFAZ1787@vic> Precedence: bulk Now you tell me!! I already bought that "thingy". I used to use the power drill method along with the "trapezium method". The trapezium method is where my cousin from the flying Tortoni, Maroni, Bologna and McNally's hangs and spins using a mouth gizmo attached to tinned copper strands from a platform 60 feet off the ground. (I've lost two cousins and 14 onlookers using this method so far. ((They're known as the Bologna's and McNally's these days)). Gizmos (what ever their apparent use is) are good "things". Just ask me for I am expert on these "things". I own them all as of 5:00 this morning!! Who knows what "things" will appear from the vapor today. Ciao Vic LaGreca --------- > From: Carol Swann > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: framing a round panel > Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 11:49 AM > > > >By the way, there is actually a tool sold for twisting the wire. > > For goodness sake...don't buy the tool for twisting the wire. All you need > is an electric drill and a nail. Hammer the nail into the end of your work > bench, hook the middle of a piece of wire around it, put the 2 loose ends > into the drill chuck, tighten the chuck and drill. Presto...all the twisted > wire you'll ever need. > > C. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 07:29:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:09:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Soldering Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:01:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981202090108.006b4598@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk I have always worked with the notion that the pits are caused by too much flux ....... the flux sizzels and splatters, leaving pits in the solder line. Barbara >X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy >X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) >From: "suzy@comcat.com" >To: "glass bungi line" >Subject: Soldering >Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:48:13 -0000 > >There was a thread a couple of days ago about soldering, and I remember >someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were caused >by soldering in a cold room. > >Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was hot, the >flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - >silvered foil (silver on both sides). > >Has anyone else experienced this problem? > >Suzanne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 08:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:15:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Etched Glass Techniques and Designs Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:15:05 -0500 Message-ID: <19981202141047.EJMK1787@vic> Precedence: bulk I just received a copy of "ETCHED GLASS techniques and Designs", the latest book by Norm & Ruth Dobbins. IMO It is definitely worth while for anyone interested in this aspect of glass or anyone who just appreciates great art. Art and sculpture by many artist's and craftsman depicting different techniques and styles. Ciao Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 08:23:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:01:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.4392.0> Precedence: bulk Suzy, a couple of possibilities....Either the iron was too hot, causing the solder to boil, or you had too much flux on the work, causing the flux to boil. Either cause would make the solder pit. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: suzy@comcat.com To: glass bungi line Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 1:46 AM Subject: Soldering >There was a thread a couple of days ago about soldering, and I remember >someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were caused >by soldering in a cold room. > >Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was hot, the >flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - >silvered foil (silver on both sides). > >Has anyone else experienced this problem? > >Suzanne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 08:56:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:40:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: RE: Introduction & Foiler Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:34:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec2.14348.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/1/98 5:34:06 PM, daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano@aol.com wrote: >There is also nothing like the looks you get sitting out in public, >quietly foiling glass. You can't do that with a foiler. Oh no? Just watch me....... A while back when I was trucking my tools to Christie's *and* to Lenore's, I had my Glastar foiler attached to a folding TV tray table. The collapsed table (with foiler attached) fit perfectly in the slot between the seat and the milk-crate basket on my motor scooter. My tool bucket went in the basket, and I was off and running! I could set up my foiling table anywhere. It was a little wobbly, but I got used to it. Sparks card-carrying gadget freak (but I still fix everything around the house with a hammer, a screwdriver, and a couple of pairs of pliers just like my mom & dad taught me.........) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 09:10:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:43:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: framing a round panel/Gizmos Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:33:35 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec2.143335.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach Vic, cousin to the flying Tortoni, Maroni, Bologna and McNally's: >I am expert on these "things". I own them all as of 5:00 this >morning!! 5:00 this morning??????????? Visions of all-night hardware stores are dancing in my head......... sometimes the 3 a.m. craving for a new drill bit is at least as strong as the 3 a.m. craving for Ben & Jerry's................ MORE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 09:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:43:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: <19981202154132.GCHX1787@vic> Precedence: bulk I am not an alarmist nor am I unfamiliar with taking shortcuts and chances and occasionally using tools for uses they were not intended for. However, I feel the need to get serious regarding the recent thread related to "twisting wire". Using a power drill to twist wire is an avenue paved for disaster. The word "backlash" comes quickly into my mind. I have witnessed wire and cable snaps both in construction and during my tours in the Navy. Not very pretty sights. Of course these cables were slightly larger and under much more torque and/or tension than would be used for tinned stained glass work. This accounts for their forces being able to slice the canopy off of an A3D jet and take a portion (no need to discuss what portion) of the pilot with it. Or the two guys I ONCE KNEW that were trying to pull a bulldozer out of a muddy ravine with cable and winch. The optimum words I have seen used here are "a power drill at low speed". That's sound advice and should go along with keep an eye (hopefully not literally) on the tension on the wire. Keep it in mind while your child is tugging at your pants leg, the door chime rings, your best customer walks in with a signed contract for that $100,000 project you had a bid on or the pot is boiling over. Sorry but at this stage in my life I have become very important to myself. Dowels and gizmos for me. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 09:46:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:47:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Shows in SE Pa area Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:13:21 -0000 Message-ID: <199812021517.KAA29679@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Hi All, Anyone know of any good spring craft shows in the southeast Penna. area that don't cost an arm & leg to rent space??? TIA Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 10:26:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:14:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:13:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.61319.0> References: <<199812020552.AAA22323@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > There was a thread a couple of days ago about soldering, and I remember > someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were caused > by soldering in a cold room. > > Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was hot, the > flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - > silvered foil (silver on both sides). > > Has anyone else experienced this problem? > > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if it's little pits, as in little volcano like structures, then it's usually caused by too much flux. the flux under the solder boils, causing steams, causing pits. any other kind of pit may be caused by the solder seeping through too much. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 10:27:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:52:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: "Charles Spitzer" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Soldering Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:49:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.1497.0> Precedence: bulk metal shrinks when cooling. the pits are caused by either voids underneath that collapse, or the center or bottom of the line is cooling before the surface, sucking down the surface before it has hardened. i also have a hard time believing that the temperature of the room has anything to do with this. there isn't much difference between 50F and 90F, when the cooling point of solder is so much higher (360+?). once the temp of the solder goes below the cooling point, it doesn't matter what the exterior room temp is. this affect is probably connected with the speed at which the skin cools. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: bjs10@cornell.edu To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:01 AM Subject: Soldering >I have always worked with the notion that the pits are caused by too much >flux ....... the flux sizzels and splatters, leaving pits in the solder line. > >Barbara > >>X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy >>X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) >>From: "suzy@comcat.com" >>To: "glass bungi line" >>Subject: Soldering >>Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:48:13 -0000 >> >>There was a thread a couple of days ago about soldering, and I remember >>someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were caused >>by soldering in a cold room. >> >>Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was hot, the >>flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - >>silvered foil (silver on both sides). >> >>Has anyone else experienced this problem? >> >>Suzanne >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 10:46:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:18:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: CWWSLW@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering irons Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:18:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.61852.0> References: <<1998Dec2.135048.0>> Precedence: bulk CWWSLW@aol.com wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a question that has been bugging me for a while. Could somebody please > tell me the proper way to clean/use a soldering iron? > > I purchased an 80 watt weller iron, am not using a retrostat with it. I was > led to believe I didn't need one. But the tip gets gunky fast. I wipe it on a > damp sponge while soldering. Sometimes the end turns a bluish/coppery color, > and the solder gobs up and looks nasty on the tip. > > Could someone please end my misery and explain the proper care/usage of an > iron? > > Thanks, > Susan > Alabama > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass under my tips section i have tool maintenance, cleaning irons is one of them. mainly you need a reostat, and to turn it down. the iron is running too hot, and it will 'gunk' up when it is. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 11:32:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:06:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.8656.0> Precedence: bulk I have this little gizmo for twisting wire (small lengths at a time) that came from a fishing lure company. It's a little jig that mounts on a board and has a hand crank. It's strong enough to twist spring steel for bottom rig standoffs so it works for what i want. Got it from a place called Netcraft. Some gizmos become indispensable after time. :) Still foiling with my fingers tho. Jann's Netcraft P.O. Box 89 Maumee, OH, 43537 1-800-NETCRAFT (1-800-638-2723). Vic said: I am not an alarmist nor am I unfamiliar with taking shortcuts and chances and occasionally using tools for uses they were not intended for. However, I feel the need to get serious regarding the recent thread related to "twisting wire". Using a power drill to twist wire is an avenue paved for disaster. The word "backlash" comes quickly into my mind. I have witnessed wire and cable snaps both in construction and during my tours in the Navy. Not very pretty sights. Of course these cables were slightly larger and under much more torque and/or tension than would be used for tinned stained glass work. This accounts for their forces being able to slice the canopy off of an A3D jet and take a portion (no need to discuss what portion) of the pilot with it. Or the two guys I ONCE KNEW that were trying to pull a bulldozer out of a muddy ravine with cable and winch. The optimum words I have seen used here are "a power drill at low speed". That's sound advice and should go along with keep an eye (hopefully not literally) on the tension on the wire. Keep it in mind while your child is tugging at your pants leg, the door chime rings, your best customer walks in with a signed contract for that $100,000 project you had a bid on or the pot is boiling over. Sorry but at this stage in my life I have become very important to myself. Dowels and gizmos for me. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 12:15:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:28:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:19:40 -0000 Message-ID: <199812021923.OAA27502@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >suzy@comcat.com wrote: >> >> There was a thread a couple of days ago about soldering, and I remember >> someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were caused >> by soldering in a cold room. >> >> Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was hot, the >> flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - >> silvered foil (silver on both sides). >> >> Has anyone else experienced this problem? Mike Savad replied: >if it's little pits, as in little volcano like structures, then it's >usually caused by too much flux. the flux under the solder boils, >causing steams, causing pits. any other kind of pit may be caused by >the solder seeping through too much. Suzy sezs again: Mike, I didn't explain well enough. The lines are all beautiful going on, not the too-much-flux splattering at all. As the solder sets, though, instead of setting nice & smooth, it kind of gets grey looking and a bit leathery. Help! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 13:15:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:17:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Wed Dec 2 12:16:15 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.95215.0> Precedence: bulk All gizmos are not bad. I own enough assorted gadgets and gizmo to supply a small army. They run the gambit from cooking, to glass, to shooting, to photography .... My point was that I learned how to work without the gizmos before buying them. Frequently the gizmos stay where they are because it is more effort to set them or set them up than to do it by hand. Frequently they are not used just so my hands remember how to do what the gizmo does. Other Vic -----Original Message----- From: Vic [mailto:vlg@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 10:46 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: In defense of GIZMOS I am not an alarmist nor am I unfamiliar with taking shortcuts and chances and occasionally using tools for uses they were not intended for. However, I feel the need to get serious regarding the recent thread related to "twisting wire". Using a power drill to twist wire is an avenue paved for disaster. The word "backlash" comes quickly into my mind. I have witnessed wire and cable snaps both in construction and during my tours in the Navy. Not very pretty sights. Of course these cables were slightly larger and under much more torque and/or tension than would be used for tinned stained glass work. This accounts for their forces being able to slice the canopy off of an A3D jet and take a portion (no need to discuss what portion) of the pilot with it. Or the two guys I ONCE KNEW that were trying to pull a bulldozer out of a muddy ravine with cable and winch. The optimum words I have seen used here are "a power drill at low speed". That's sound advice and should go along with keep an eye (hopefully not literally) on the tension on the wire. Keep it in mind while your child is tugging at your pants leg, the door chime rings, your best customer walks in with a signed contract for that $100,000 project you had a bid on or the pot is boiling over. Sorry but at this stage in my life I have become very important to myself. Dowels and gizmos for me. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 13:27:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:57:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Non Glass - server question Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:59:58 -0500 Message-ID: <19981202195535.IVUU15045@vic> Precedence: bulk First off this is not a complaint. I am just trying to determine the method of distribution Between 6 AM & 8:30 Am this morning I sent out 4 posts to this group. They were all sent out immediately after they were typed. However the received times shown are 8:02, 11:21, 11:51 and 1:25 PM. In the same period I sent out 3 Emails to 3 separate individuals in different parts of the world and received responses from all three before the first one to Bungi was marked as received. My question is: Is this a function of how and when they are sent from my service to Bungi or when they are sent back to me via Bungi's server? I can't determine any "pattern" as the above times will indicate. In the meantime, as a test, the time is now 2:52:41 PM EST (this according to my atomic watch / pager / voice mail / sports scores / stock market reports / NJ lottery giver / sun index / air quality / weather forecaster / weather reporting / alarm / tied to my computer and GPS - WRIST WATCH. This the ultimate GADGET / GIZMO / THINGY EVER. H*LL it even tells time and gives the date. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 13:31:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:52:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Shows in SE Pa area Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:50:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199812022041.PAA14002@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Anyone know of any good spring craft shows in the southeast Penna. area > that don't cost an arm & leg to rent space??? You might research the listings at http://www.artandcraftshows.net/ remembering that you often get what you pay for. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 14:09:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:11:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: ATF Distribution Center To: "suzy@comcat.com" , bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:47:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.104713.0> References: <<199812021923.OAA27502@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk This happens to me when my solder &/or brush get dirty. When it looks bad I take off the solder clean up area & brush/solder. It usually works & looks better! K. See suzy@comcat.com wrote: > >suzy@comcat.com wrote: > >> > >> There was a thread a couple of days ago about soldering, and I remember > >> someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were caused > >> by soldering in a cold room. > >> > >> Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was hot, the > >> flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - > >> silvered foil (silver on both sides). > >> > >> Has anyone else experienced this problem? > > Mike Savad replied: > > >if it's little pits, as in little volcano like structures, then it's > >usually caused by too much flux. the flux under the solder boils, > >causing steams, causing pits. any other kind of pit may be caused by > >the solder seeping through too much. > > Suzy sezs again: > > Mike, I didn't explain well enough. The lines are all beautiful going on, > not the too-much-flux splattering at all. As the solder sets, though, > instead of setting nice & smooth, it kind of gets grey looking and a bit > leathery. Help! > > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 14:41:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:52:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, suzy@ComCAT.COM Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:33:56, -0500 Message-ID: <199812022133.QAA13580@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Suzy sezs again: Mike, I didn't explain well enough. The lines are all beautiful going on, not the too-much-flux splattering at all. As the solder sets, though, instead of setting nice & smooth, it kind of gets grey looking and a bit leathery. Help! Suzanne<< I "think" the leathery looking solder is caused by to rapid cooling of the solder bead. The silver front and back foil is an excellent heat conductor and is contributing to the rapid heat loss. If you have seams if varying width, the wider seams should have the look and not the smaller. So, increase the heat applied by going slower or solder by first filling and then beading. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 16:02:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:50:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: ATF Distribution Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 18:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.134816.0> References: <<1998Dec2.104713.0>> Precedence: bulk > This happens to me when my solder &/or brush get dirty. When it looks bad I > take off the solder clean up area & brush/solder. It usually works & looks > better! > K. See I think maybe K. See is on to something. I solder often in a very cold room, today it was 30 degrees when I started. No problem. But I use 40/60 instead of the usual 60/40 and it is dirtier, and will tend to leave the leathery look you describe. Usually going over again with a clean tip handles this. The tip picks up the junk and takes it from the project I'm working on. Look and see if your solder got dirty . It may help. (I do have to clean MY tip all the time, because I'm using 40/60), but when I'm done, I get very satisfactory results. Good luck, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 17:33:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:21:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Vic" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Non Glass - server question Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:19:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.151926.0> Precedence: bulk Here's another observation - I find that when I "reply" directly to the sender and CC: bungi, I can get a 2nd reply from the individual long before the CC ever comes back to me via bungi. If I just send direct to bungi (and skip the individual reply), it posts much more quickly to the group. I figured it was my server.... but then, I like to blame everything on CompuServe! ;-) Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 18:37:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:09:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Christie A. Wood" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My new web site Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:03:07 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.1837.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie, Been to your site. The panel "Mars, Bringer of Wars is really very good. Crae to share how it was done? Like the Cabernet... too, I have a very similar one, but much smaller one. Good work. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:52 AM Subject: My new web site >For those of you wondering, yes, Albert's done it again. >You can now see a few of my stained glass creations >at my new web site (thanks to Albert)... > >http://www.igga.org/wood/ > >Check it out. > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 19:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:10:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean N." To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fw: Menorah Pattern Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:08:08 -0800 Message-ID: <199812030204.SAA15094@intergate.lasercom.net> Precedence: bulk > > Hi All, > My 8 yr old grand daughter decided she wants me to make her a Menorah for > her birthday (in 10 days!). Not a suncatcher -- a REAL one that she can > put candles in. > > HELP! Does anyone out there have a pattern, or idea for this? I am at a > loss. All suggestions will be greatly appreciated. (Mike, you are full > of ideas, how about you?) > > Jean N. ). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 20:39:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:40:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:32:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.33237.0> Precedence: bulk >> Suzy sezs again: >> >> Mike, I didn't explain well enough. The lines are all beautiful going on, >> not the too-much-flux splattering at all. As the solder sets, though, >> instead of setting nice & smooth, it kind of gets grey looking and a bit >> leathery. Help! I'm inclined to agree with Charlie that it's a surface cooling effect. I reported this happening a couple of months ago when the weather started to get cooler. In cold conditions, the solder surface cools faster and tries to set up, then it continues to shrink as the hot metal underneath cools, so you get tiny little roughnesses in the surface. There's more thermal expansion and contraction than you might think, though. Just think about the old trick of running hot water over a stuck jar lid to loosen it up. Even boiling water is 150-200F cooler than molten solder, and it expands your jar lid enough to get it off. I wish my big ol' chemical data handbooks weren't packed away in the furthest reaches of my basement, I'd see if I could find thermal expansion data on the solder alloys. I also agree with Bob Duchesneau that the funky effect is more likely if you've got wide joints or gaps. In that case I use 50/50 to fill, let it cool, then run a 60/40 bead. The 50/50 stays "pastier" so it's less likely to melt through than a 60/40 fill. (And no, I'm not going to turn down my iron unless I really, *REALLY* have to, like if I were to try sweat-soldering lead. You'd see every shake of my hands in the finished product........) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 20:56:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:42:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non Glass - server question Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:32:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.33229.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/2/98 4:30:21 PM (plus or minus 3 hours, 56 minutes, 29.4 seconds), vlg@worldnet.att.net wrote from the time warp he's stuck in: >My question is: Is this a function of how and when they are sent from my >service to Bungi or when they are sent back to me via Bungi's server? > >I can't determine any "pattern" as the above times will indicate. It has to do with how the net shuttles messges around. There's no one central hub, just a lot of relay nodes, and once you get outside your own ISP, your message could go all over hell's half acre looking for a clear path. BTW, smaller ISPs often "piggyback" on big ones, so your internet message might actually be traveling via "Earthlink" or AOL or whatever, just like your long- distance phone calls. (One time a few years ago I had to make an operator- assisted call via Working Assets, and just before connecting my call, the operator said, "Thank you for using SPRINT!") When you start getting replies *before* you send your message, that's when you should start worrying......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 21:08:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:44:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:42:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.17427.0> Precedence: bulk Vic, I "used to " twist wire with a drill and had it snap one to many times. I confess that I too am a gizmo junkie. But I draw the line at that wood block called a nugget foiler....that's just plain stupid!! IMHO Karen >I feel the need to get serious regarding the recent thread related to >"twisting wire". > >Using a power drill to twist wire is an avenue paved for disaster. >The word "backlash" comes quickly into my mind. > >I have witnessed wire and cable snaps both in construction and during my >tours in the Navy. Not very pretty sights. Of course these cables were >slightly larger and under much more torque and/or tension than would be >used for tinned stained glass work. This accounts for their forces being >able to slice the canopy off of an A3D jet and take a portion (no need to >discuss what portion) of the pilot with it. Or the two guys I ONCE KNEW >that were trying to pull a bulldozer out of a muddy ravine with cable and >winch. > >The optimum words I have seen used here are "a power drill at low speed". >That's sound advice and should go along with keep an eye (hopefully not >literally) on the tension on the wire. Keep it in mind while your child is >tugging at your pants leg, the door chime rings, your best customer walks >in with a signed contract for that $100,000 project you had a bid on or the >pot is boiling over. > >Sorry but at this stage in my life I have become very important to myself. >Dowels and gizmos for me. > >Ciao > >Vic LaGreca > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 21:22:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:34:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: RE: Introduction & Foiler Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:32:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.173232.0> Precedence: bulk >Sparks card-carrying gadget freak > >(but I still fix everything around the house with a hammer, a screwdriver, and >a couple of pairs of pliers just like my mom & dad taught me.........) >---- You forgot the Duct Tape....1001 uses Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 21:50:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:29:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: e-mail address for Glass Patterns Quarterly Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:24:46 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.52446.0> Precedence: bulk Guys I have trying to send mail to Glass Patterns Quarterly. (gpq@aol.com) But mail returns with message that address is invalid. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks in advance. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 22:22:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:59:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:57:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.165723.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you for your service PJ.. Don ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 22:45:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:21:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Jean N." , "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Menorah Pattern Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:13:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.171329.0> Precedence: bulk Jean, I have a pattern for a panel. It will cost you a bio. email me your snail mail address and I'll have it in the mail. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 22:59:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:21:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:21:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.17219.0> Precedence: bulk Suzy, Why don't you just tell people its decorative soldering and it takes a special skill to get the effect? (8-) Mike, I didn't explain well enough. The lines are all beautiful going on, >> not the too-much-flux splattering at all. As the solder sets, though, >> instead of setting nice & smooth, it kind of gets grey looking and a bit >> leathery. Help! Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 2 23:26:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:24:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: vmodiano (other Vic) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:31:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.183123.0> Precedence: bulk Vic Man, your email address is hard one to get. I have been waiting and waiting for you to post...you sure have been quiet lately. I dont know how to get the email address out of the anti spam stuff sooo... Anyway...I wanted to thank you for the snail mail! What a surprise. I was expecting like a one page chart! lol...not a book! I sure am glad I opened the envelope. My first impulse was to just toss it in the trash, thinking it was promo/advertising stuff from a software company! Thans so much for the time you put into that. Very nice of you. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 00:02:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:29:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: suzy@ComCAT.COM Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:19:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.201959.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, The dull patches you describe can probably be eliminated by changing your brand of solder. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com I >remember >>> someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were >caused >>> by soldering in a cold room. >>> >>> Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was >hot, the >>> flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - >>> silvered foil (silver on both sides). >>> >>> Has anyone else experienced this problem? > >Mike Savad replied: > >. The lines are all beautiful going >on, >not the too-much-flux splattering at all. As the solder sets, though, > >instead of setting nice & smooth, it kind of gets grey looking and a >bit >leathery. Help! > >Suzanne > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 00:20:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:27:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: e-mail address for Glass Patterns Quarterly Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:38:26 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.233826.0> Precedence: bulk I found it. gpq@iglou.com Have ent a mail there and it has not bounced back, I presume they have received. Thanks Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Shakeel Abedi To: Bungi Group Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 2:12 PM Subject: e-mail address for Glass Patterns Quarterly >Guys > >I have trying to send mail to Glass Patterns Quarterly. (gpq@aol.com) But >mail returns with message that address is invalid. > >Does anyone know anything about this? > >Thanks in advance. > >Shakeel Abedi >shakeel@tm.net.my >Shakeel Abedi >Rainbow Stained Glass >104, Jalan Mersing >86000 Kluang >Malaysia >Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 01:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:11:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ps Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 02:19:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.201935.0> Precedence: bulk I want to make alot of money so I can buy alot of glass, and be prepared to kick some @ss at my next show! Guess workin all these hours gets to ya, with no guarenteed paycheck! Seriously, I will be happy to make my booth fee...and ...oh hell... Im lying...so I might as well shut up. Tulsa....suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 01:15:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:51:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: jean@lasercom.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fw: Menorah Pattern Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:49:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.74949.0> Precedence: bulk Jean, Not sure if this is a viable option, but can you make 9 (is that right? Sorry if I am wrong) separate candle holders in different heights for her to line up. The effect would be the same, the candles burning in a row but it would be easier for you to make. I know there are some very contemporary menorahs out there so do you need to use taper candles? The candle holders I was complaining about a few weeks ago with the sand stuck in the flux may be a decent option (minus the sand and shells of course) I used 4 - 2" wide rectangle bevels and made a tall narrow shape, attached a 2 X 2 piece of clear glass on the bottom and top to close it in then on two adjoining sides of the top added 2 X 2 bevels as a "shelter" for the flame. Am I explaining this well enough? I made them in different heights but to illustrate what I am trying to explain one of them when finished measured 6 inches tall on two of the side and the additional bevels made the other two sides 8 inches tall. I found some small votive holders at Pier One or Cost Plus and set them on the top. They are the smaller holders that fit the tea light candles not the votive candles. When its lit, it looks pretty because the bevels reflect the flame quite nicely. Good luck. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 01:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:54:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Soldering Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:53:23 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.85323.0> Precedence: bulk >>Suzy sezs again: >Mike, I didn't explain well enough. The lines are all beautiful going >on, >not the too-much-flux splattering at all. As the solder sets, though, >instead of setting nice & smooth, it kind of gets grey looking and a >bit >leathery. Help! >Suzanne<< >I "think" the leathery looking solder is caused by to rapid cooling >of the solder bead. If you think that the cold is a problem try warming the whole panel area where you are soldering with a hair dryer then try again. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 03:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:41:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: advice again? ;o) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 01:44:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.194457.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everybody. Every single finger that is attached to me hurts so bad, dont know if I can go to sleep. Spent yesterday cutting all day. Today was soldering all day (9am -midnight) Lessons I learned today. 1.Flux stings! (bad) 2. when you are tired enough you really dont give a damn whether you die from lead poisoning or old age, you just want some rest. Why arent you supposed to drink while you solder? I dont dip my ingers in my drink. 3.I need more bandaides, and time. Now, for the advice request... My cousin (by marriage) is a glass blower, and his sole source of income is shows and commissions. He is loaning me two of his tables and drapes (red, ugh) but will cover them with white table cloths...still not the best. wish I had black to set off my smooth white cement! Will display my ornaments on two 3' Christmas trees with small white lights. My problem....How am I going to display my sun catchers? I have no clue. I would appreciate suggestions. I know I had at least one the day I found out about the show, but I cannot find it. Yes, I am having fun. I have never made so much in such a short period of time! Amazing. It isnt enough, either. I am not worried that I will not sell anything. Just wish I had more to sell. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 04:28:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:42:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 02:39:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.203910.0> References: <<1998Dec2.14348.0>> Precedence: bulk > >There is also nothing like the looks you get sitting out in public, > >quietly foiling glass. You can't do that with a foiler. > > Oh no? Just watch me....... > Obviously not a tequila drinker! Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 04:29:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:11:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Vic'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Non Glass - server question Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:12:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.11242.0> Precedence: bulk Vic, My computer says that you sent this at 3:00 PM, see below. My computer also says that I recieved it at 4:58 pm. That's when my server picked it up. My question about the bungi server deals with actual distribution not so much times, though I have noticed a large discrepancy. When I reply to a message by "reply all" sometimes I get several peoples names in the "to" area sometimes just one and the glass@bungi.com. If all of them get to me via bungi, whay isn't bungi alway included in the reply to function? Just a meandering. LInda -----Original Message----- From: Vic [SMTP:vlg@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 3:00 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Non Glass - server question ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 04:49:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:29:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Karen K.'" , Bungi List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Only 2 Gadgets Needed Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:29:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.12947.0> Precedence: bulk "You only need two thinks in life...WD-40 to make things go and duct tape to make them stop." Unknown ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 05:10:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:55:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec2.124410.0> References: <<199812021923.OAA27502@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > >suzy@comcat.com wrote: > >> > >> There was a thread a couple of days ago about soldering, and I remember > >> someone saying those little "pits" (kind of a leathery look) were caused > >> by soldering in a cold room. > >> > >> Today it happened to me, and the room wasn't cold, the iron was hot, the > >> flux and solder were good and the iron was clean. Only variable - > >> silvered foil (silver on both sides). > >> > >> Has anyone else experienced this problem? > > Mike Savad replied: > > >if it's little pits, as in little volcano like structures, then it's > >usually caused by too much flux. the flux under the solder boils, > >causing steams, causing pits. any other kind of pit may be caused by > >the solder seeping through too much. > > Suzy sezs again: > > Mike, I didn't explain well enough. The lines are all beautiful going on, > not the too-much-flux splattering at all. As the solder sets, though, > instead of setting nice & smooth, it kind of gets grey looking and a bit > leathery. Help! > > Suzanne ahh ok... yeah that would be caused by the solder cooling rapidly. the room temp should'nt make a difference. 20-40 degrees won't really phase 600 degree solder. are you using 50-50 or 60-40 for the bead? i use 50-50 for the base coat and filler, and 60-40 for the bead. i found that 50-50 sometimes will give me a orange peel like texture. though unless it's really bad, most "normals" (non-stained-glassers), probably won't notice it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 06:37:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:34:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "Linda Campbell" , "'Karen K.'" , Subject: Re: Only 2 Gadgets Needed Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:32:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199812031331.IAA25820@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Linda, "ditto" If the duct tape and WD-40 people went out of business, life as I know it would be over. :-) Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: 'Karen K.' ; Bungi List Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:57 AM Subject: Only 2 Gadgets Needed >"You only need two thinks in life...WD-40 to make things go and duct tape to make them stop." > >Unknown >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 07:13:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:03:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Pat Kelly , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Menorah Pattern Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:25:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.12557.0> References: <<1998Dec2.171329.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Geez Pat, has it come to this desperate plan of withholding a pattern in order to get a bio? I guess Toby is bigger than I thought. Good luck, hope you get them soon, the weekend is fast approaching. Carol T Pat Kelly wrote: > Jean, > > I have a pattern for a panel. It will cost you a bio. email me your snail > mail address and I'll have it in the mail. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 07:43:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:21:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Soldering Problem Solved! Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:12:11 -0000 Message-ID: <199812031416.JAA02619@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Thank you Fellow Bungians for all your tips & advice. Last night I did two things: increased the temp on my iron to almost FULL POWER (for Sparks), and threw out my old flux brush. Looked good, back to normal, like satin! Maybe using the flux brush too many times contaminated the flux. Maybe the iron wasn't hot enough. Anyway I'm grateful. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 09:32:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:26:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Introduction & Foiler Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:25:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.162525.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/3/98 12:26:26 AM, giapet@softhouse.com wrote: >>Sparks card-carrying gadget freak >> >>(but I still fix everything around the house with a hammer, a >screwdriver, and >>a couple of pairs of pliers just like my mom & dad taught me.........) >>---- >You forgot the Duct Tape....1001 uses >Karen HEY!!!!!! The duct tape goes without saying!!!!!!!! Same goes for the WD40, the wire coat hangers, and the bobby pins! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 09:44:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:26:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: advice again? ;o) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:25:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.162514.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/3/98 7:03:46 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >1.Flux stings! (bad) Uhhhhhhhh....... yeah. > Why arent you supposed to drink while you solder? I dont dip my fingers >in my drink. Because the solder and flux vapors get in the air and the "fallout" falls into your drink just like it falls on everything else. Because you may not dip your fingers in your drink, but you do pick up the container with your hand and get fluxy, soldery fingers all over it. If you're drinking out of a reusable container, you go to wash the container and the yuck in diluted form gets into your sink or dishwasher on your other dishes. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 10:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:32:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:25:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.162526.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/3/98 3:30:14 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Obviously not a tequila drinker! > >Tulsa Suzanne Nope, can't say as I am. I try not to drink anything that has a raw dead bug body floating in it........ That stuff is good for getting tacky wax, paint, flux residue, and probably just about anything else off of your finished work though! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 10:39:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:00:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fw: Menorah Pattern Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:58:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.65827.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Jean N." >My 8 yr old grand daughter decided she wants me to make her a Menorah for > her birthday (in 10 days!). Not a suncatcher -- a REAL one that she can= > put candles in. > = > HELP! Does anyone out there have a pattern, or idea for this? I am at a= > loss. All suggestions will be greatly appreciated. (Mike, you are full= > of ideas, how about you?)< I do a stained glass menorah - one which hangs in a window. But it does not allow real candles. Instead, I have hooks for hanging the stained glass "flame" - one per sunset. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 11:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:00:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: advice again? ;o) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.65832.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne >My problem....How am I going to display my sun catchers?< Get 3 window frames with wooden mullions from your local hardware store. Attach them together with bi-directional hinges so that they can stand up in a "Z" pattern. Put cup hooks in each of the spaces where the glass panes would be. Hang suncatchers. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 11:14:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:01:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mars, the Bringer of War Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:58:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.65824.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shakeel Abedi" >Been to your site. The panel "Mars, Bringer of Wars is really very good.= Crae to share how it was done?< Designed as two autonomous panels which was then plated together (ala Robert Oddy). The round "shield" with lance points and flags is one piece. The more abstract intersecting triangles with surrounding flames is the second piece. When plate together, the Martian "canals" show up. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 11:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:02:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Shows in SE Pa area Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.65818.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "suzy@comcat.com" >Anyone know of any good spring craft shows in the southeast Penna. area = that don't cost an arm & leg to rent space???< Define "...don't cost an arm & leg..." $10? $100? $1000? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 11:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:47:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Chihuly Revisited Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:44:33 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.174433.0> Precedence: bulk A few weeks ago the discuss here was about a TV show on the glass artist Dale Chihuly. Well, last week I was down in the Bahamas (partially paid for by my glass sales) and I happened into the Atlantis Casino on Paradise Island. At the entrance was a glass sculpture that looked like something Chihuly would do. In the casino were 2 more pieces. I asked, and sure enough, they were Dale Chihuly sculptues. I forgot all about gambling and just studied the pieces. One was an orange collection of globes shaped like shells, another was a blue globe shape comprised of flat disks, and the third was sort of like looking at up-side- down milk bottles elongated this way and that. I was impressed. They look even better in real life than on TV. Hope some of the rest of you get a chance to see the real thing, too. Just thought I'd mention it here where others might understand my enthusiasm. Cheryl Lowe Glass Lites Studio Southern New Jersey GlassLites@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 12:18:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:08:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Only 2 Gadgets Needed Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:46:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.54619.0> References: <<199812031331.IAA25820@smtp.america.net>> Precedence: bulk Linda Letscher wrote: > > Linda, > "ditto" If the duct tape and WD-40 people went out of business, life as I > know it would be over. :-) > Linda Jo > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Campbell > To: 'Karen K.' ; Bungi List > Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:57 AM > Subject: Only 2 Gadgets Needed > > >"You only need two thinks in life...WD-40 to make things go and duct tape > to make them stop." > > > >Unknown > >---- yeah but then microsoft would buy them up, and then really rule the world. unfortunally the tape would no longer stick right, and the oil would'nt work right either. and you always have to go back to the hardware store for your duct tape upgrades. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 13:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:10:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "Karen K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.5366.0> References: <<1998Dec2.17427.0>> Precedence: bulk Karen K. wrote: > > Vic, I "used to " twist wire with a drill and had it snap one to many > times. I confess that I too am a gizmo junkie. But I draw the line at > that wood block called a nugget foiler....that's just plain stupid!! > IMHO Karen > >I feel the need to get serious regarding the recent thread related to > >"twisting wire". > > > >Using a power drill to twist wire is an avenue paved for disaster. > >The word "backlash" comes quickly into my mind. > > > >I have witnessed wire and cable snaps both in construction and during my > >tours in the Navy. Not very pretty sights. Of course these cables were > >slightly larger and under much more torque and/or tension than would be > >used for tinned stained glass work. This accounts for their forces being > >able to slice the canopy off of an A3D jet and take a portion (no need to > >discuss what portion) of the pilot with it. Or the two guys I ONCE KNEW > >that were trying to pull a bulldozer out of a muddy ravine with cable and > >winch. > > > >The optimum words I have seen used here are "a power drill at low speed". > >That's sound advice and should go along with keep an eye (hopefully not > >literally) on the tension on the wire. Keep it in mind while your child > is > >tugging at your pants leg, the door chime rings, your best customer walks > >in with a signed contract for that $100,000 project you had a bid on or > the > >pot is boiling over. > > > >Sorry but at this stage in my life I have become very important to > myself. > >Dowels and gizmos for me. > > > >Ciao > > > >Vic LaGreca > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i hav'nt tried it yet, but i made my own... some gizmos get lucky sometimes. the ringstar pliers, mosaic cutters, alot of the morton stuff, and other stuff, some of use use everyday. i wonder how many other people have the inland hand foiler and crimper in a drawer somewhere... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 13:05:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:53:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Sparks" , "glass bungi line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: advice again? ;o) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:39:21 -0000 Message-ID: <199812031843.NAA05472@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 12/3/98 7:03:46 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >>1.Flux stings! (bad) > >Uhhhhhhhh....... yeah. And gives a nice red rash. >> Why arent you supposed to drink while you solder? I dont dip my fingers >>in my drink. > >Because the solder and flux vapors get in the air and the "fallout" falls >into >your drink just like it falls on everything else. > >Because you may not dip your fingers in your drink, but you do pick up the >container with your hand and get fluxy, soldery fingers all over it. If >you're >drinking out of a reusable container, you go to wash the container and the >yuck in diluted form gets into your sink or dishwasher on your other dishes. And, as happened just the other night, my glass buddy started to dip her flux brush into my coffee cup. Luckily she stopped in mid-air. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 13:20:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:02:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:00:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.19059.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-12-03 00:12:39 EST, giapet@softhouse.com writes: << Vic, I "used to " twist wire with a drill and had it snap one to many times. I confess that I too am a gizmo junkie. But I draw the line at that wood block called a nugget foiler....that's just plain stupid!! IMHO Karen >> Nugget foiler = my husband Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 13:45:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:47:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:49:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.9491.0> References: <<1998Dec3.162526.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I thought the worm was in Mezcal, not Tequila? Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/3/98 3:30:14 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > >Obviously not a tequila drinker! > > > >Tulsa Suzanne > > Nope, can't say as I am. I try not to drink anything that has a raw dead bug > body floating in it........ > > That stuff is good for getting tacky wax, paint, flux residue, and probably > just about anything else off of your finished work though! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 13:47:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:47:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Christie A. Wood" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Shows in SE Pa area Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:40:15 -0000 Message-ID: <199812031944.OAA13949@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Message text written by "suzy@comcat.com" >>Anyone know of any good spring craft shows in the southeast Penna. area = > >that don't cost an arm & leg to rent space???< > >Define "...don't cost an arm & leg..." $10? $100? $1000? > Hey Christie, To me, anything more than $100 is an arm & a leg at this time in my life! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 14:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:02:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:58:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.195810.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/2/98 9:12:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, giapet@softhouse.com writes: << But I draw the line at that wood block called a nugget foiler....that's just plain stupid!! IMHO Karen >> I made my own, I cut a groove in a piece of wood with the Dremel, and use it to burnish nuggets, it's very handy if you're foiling a lot of nuggets which are difficult. It was a copy of the tool in the Delphi catalog. I don't think a grooved piece of wood is patentable. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 14:17:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:10:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Fw: Menorah Pattern Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:08:31 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec3.20831.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/3/98 1:18:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, CncptThnkr@aol.com writes: << Not sure if this is a viable option, but can you make 9 (is that right? Sorry if I am wrong) separate candle holders in different heights for her to line up. >> Make the candle holders, get some copper tubing and use a tubing bending tool to fabricate attractive stems for the holders, Embed the other end of the tubes into a base of concrete or mortar, you could use a tupperware container as a mold. I saw this on the TV show "Home Matters", of course they didn't use stained glass candle holders, and it wasn't a Menorah... the effect was very nice, tho. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 14:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:35:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: advice again? ;o) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.103412.0> Precedence: bulk Or if you're really cheap (like me!), have hubby go to a salvage yard for old mullioned windows - I can get = them here at practically give-away prices. Maybe you can even talk him into cleaning/painting/preparing them for the show! ;-) Best regards Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 14:51:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:24:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ps Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:18:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.111824.0> Precedence: bulk Suzy my dear, I sadly fear, That you are losing it. Keep making junk, Don't lose your spunk, Or you will have a fit. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 4:19 AM Subject: ps >I want to make alot of money so I can buy alot of glass, and be prepared >to kick some @ss at my next show! >Guess workin all these hours gets to ya, with no guarenteed paycheck! >Seriously, I will be happy to make my booth fee...and ...oh hell... Im >lying...so I might as well shut up. > > >Tulsa....suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 15:28:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:09:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu Dec 3 14:07:31 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.114331.0> Precedence: bulk Dare I ask what catalog you ordered him from???? And do they come in pink? Vic Nugget foiler = my husband Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 16:17:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:46:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:JJKIRBY@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:44:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.134424.0> Precedence: bulk Somebody a while back posted a nugget burnishing trick that they used. Wrap the nuggets in foil, then put in a plastic jar... close the jar then shake it up good and voila, burnished foil. Sounded good to me, and based on te enthusiasm here, it must work. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 17:21:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:44:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:41:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec4.04130.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/3/98 2:21:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com writes: << an easier way, if you have a lot of them to do: put the foil on them all. place in a jar. shake. >> Does that REALLY work???? If yes, don't you get a lot of chips and scratches??? (My wife is my QC department, and she doesn't like me to use any nuggets that are chipped or scratched) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 18:54:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:58:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!wernecke From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 17:53:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981203175347.00dbd100@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <<1998Dec3.195810.0>> Precedence: bulk At 02:58 PM 12/3/98 EST, JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > > I don't think a grooved piece of wood is patentable. >---- Shhhhhhh...lawyers may be lurking :-) Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 19:15:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:32:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: foiling nuggets was: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:30:47 -0800 Message-ID: <199812040230.SAA10944@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 12/3/98 2:21:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, >Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com writes: > ><< an easier way, if you have a lot of them to do: put the foil on them all. > place in a jar. shake. >> > >Does that REALLY work???? > >If yes, don't you get a lot of chips and scratches??? >(My wife is my QC department, and she doesn't like me to use any nuggets >that are chipped or scratched) Yes it really does work. I've found that using a plastic margarine or yogurt tub is easier on the ears (and the nuggets). I use no more than 1/2 foiled nuggets and 1/2 "naked" nuggets to stop the foil from catching on each other. Tell the QC department you don't get chips and scratches because you are gently and quickly tossing the nuggets (more like shaking salad dressing), that you're not going to shake the shit out of them (playing the maraccas), and besides that, you're using a plastic container. Another secret...use 3/16" foil and pull it slightly as you foil the nugget...this stretching seems to reduce the amount of excess foil that needs to conform to the nugget. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 20:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:17:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:58:26 -0000 Message-ID: <199812040302.WAA28290@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 12/3/98 2:21:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, >Charles_Spitzer@stratus.com writes: > ><< an easier way, if you have a lot of them to do: put the foil on them all. > place in a jar. shake. >> > >Does that REALLY work???? > >If yes, don't you get a lot of chips and scratches??? >(My wife is my QC department, and she doesn't like me to use any nuggets >that are chipped or scratched) Yes, it really works. No, they don't get chipped or scratched if you use a plastic jar. I use an old Tums bottle. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 3 21:51:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:23:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: J B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Looking for advice on drilling holes in glass Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:20:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.192020.0> Precedence: bulk I just got some diamond drill bits from a jewelry supplier that cost about $4 each... about twice the price I usually pay. They were called something like "triple ripple" and I was told they would last a good deal longer than the others. Well, I'll have you know they are fabulous. No need to buy a drill press with these! Drills through = glass like butter and no skipping around. I love them! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 02:25:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:57:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: e-mail address for Glass Patterns Quarterly Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:27:42 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.02742.0> Precedence: bulk Too soon I opened my mouth. The gpq@iglou.com address of the Glass Patterns Quarterly is also wrong. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Shakeel Abedi To: Bungi Group Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 4:55 PM Subject: Re: e-mail address for Glass Patterns Quarterly >I found it. > >gpq@iglou.com > >Have ent a mail there and it has not bounced back, I presume they have >received. > >Thanks > >Shakeel Abedi >shakeel@tm.net.my >Shakeel Abedi >Rainbow Stained Glass >104, Jalan Mersing >86000 Kluang >Malaysia >Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 >-----Original Message----- >From: Shakeel Abedi >To: Bungi Group >Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 2:12 PM >Subject: e-mail address for Glass Patterns Quarterly > > >>Guys >> >>I have trying to send mail to Glass Patterns Quarterly. (gpq@aol.com) But >>mail returns with message that address is invalid. >> >>Does anyone know anything about this? >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Shakeel Abedi >>shakeel@tm.net.my >>Shakeel Abedi >>Rainbow Stained Glass >>104, Jalan Mersing >>86000 Kluang >>Malaysia >>Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 02:45:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:08:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: good news... Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:17:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec3.221736.0> Precedence: bulk at my house today. My husband has been hired by American Airlines, and starts Monday! YEA!!!!!!!!! Pa here I come!! Flight benefits start in 3 months! Yeeehaaaa Cowboy! (as they say) Put in 19 hours today...got alot made. Gotta go to bed now. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 04:26:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:53:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: e-mail address for Glass Patterns Quarterly Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:33:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199812041124.GAA28334@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The gpq@iglou.com address of the Glass Patterns Quarterly is also wrong. Uh, I point out perhaps all too often that the Guild maintains a web version of its Sources Guide at http://www.igga.org/guide.htm that's updated almost every day. Since I as the Guild's volunteer web master regularly check every link on that site, I discover pretty quickly when email addresses and/or web links aren't working. Glass Pattern Quarterly's email address glitched last week, so I did the usual: I sent them a smail letter telling them that and asking for their new address. It's gpqmag@aol.com Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 06:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:01:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Getting more and more off topic : Only 2 Gadgets Needed Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:00:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec4.14039.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach Mike Savad: >yeah but then microsoft would buy them up, and then really rule the >world. unfortunally the tape would no longer stick right, and the oil >would'nt work right either. and you always have to go back to the >hardware store for your duct tape upgrades. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Reminds me of something I once read: If Microsoft made cars, they'd crash 4 times a day and you'd think that was normal. And every time you went to the gas station, you'd have to upgrade your engine to run on the new gas..... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 06:52:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:01:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Tequila, was Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:00:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec4.14059.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach shyguy@vdot.net: >I thought the worm was in Mezcal, not Tequila? Dredging up memories from my youth in Far Northern Mexico (i.e. southern California): Mezcal is the plant that tequila is made from. The mezcal worm (actually the caterpillar of the butterfly that fertilizes the plant, like monarchs on milkweed) lives on the plant. At some point, someone got the bright idea of testing the strength of the tequila by dropping a live worm into the bottle. Supposedly, if the tequila is good and strong, the worm will be dead (or at least unconscious) before it hits bottom. If the worm is still wiggling when it hits bottom, the tequila is "wimpy." Some "real Mexican tequila" is sold with a label that reads "con guzano" - "with the worm." Traditionally, when "real hombres" are out drinking, the guy who takes the last shot from the bottle has to eat the worm. Sparks (I forget how to say that in Spanish and don't have my "diccionario" handy - Daniel, help me out!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 07:26:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:02:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:00:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec4.14058.0> Precedence: bulk Vic's enquiring mind wants to know: >Dare I ask what catalog you ordered him from???? >And do they come in pink? > >Vic > >> Nugget foiler = my husband >> >> >> Dianne What I want to know is: Does he look good in a tutu? If so, Patrick may have a ready-made dancing partner! Sparks, waiting excitedly for the debut of "les Ballets Trocaderos des Verriers" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 08:33:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:49:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.55123.0> References: <<1998Dec4.04130.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I use a plastic Tupperware/Rubbermaid dessert size 'bowl' with cover. I only shake side to side, rather than up and down. This keeps the nugget's edges with the foil on as the surface that gets the impact. It may take a little longer than 'making a martini', but none of the nuggets has been marked up so far. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 09:33:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:30:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Non glass, but I could use some was: Tequila, was Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:30:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.63019.0> References: <<1998Dec4.14059.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk and more: Q. Why is there a worm in a tequila bottle? A. There isn't! There is no worm in tequila. Repeat, there is no worm in tequila. The worm is found, quite dead and pickled, only in mezcal. Q. Okay, what's the difference between Tequila and mezcal? A. Tequila is a mezcal, but mezcal is not Tequila. Mezcal is a generic name used for booze made from various species of an agave plant called, ironically, mezcal. Unlike mezcal, Tequila is produced under strict Mexican government regulations and can be made only from the blue agave grown in specified growing areas. In this sense the rules for tequila are the same as the rules for champagne or cognac, i.e., specific plant and specific growing area. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 09:54:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:30:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tequila, was Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:28:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.62826.0> References: <<1998Dec4.14059.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk >From the Jose Cuervo FAQ: Q. What is Tequila made from? A. From a high desert plant called the blue agave. Technically, the agave azul tequilana Weber.The Weber part comes from a Mexican botanist who was also fond of big, round grills. Kidding. The blue agave is not a cactus, but rather a member of the amaryllis (lily) family of plants. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 10:33:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:43:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering Pits Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:11:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec4.1118.0> References: <<199812020552.AAA22323@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Susanne: Those soldering pits can be caused by one of two things: (1) Flux bubbling; or (2) Small contiminate in the solder. I found it interesting to note while looking at an original piece of Tiffany's work that he also had the same problem. I asked and the answer I gave you is what I was told. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 11:37:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:25:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tequila, was Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:12:30 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.181230.0> Precedence: bulk OK! As I see it now there is NO worm in Tequila except for when this IS a worm in it! Have I got that right? Very informative place this Bungi! Brian -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: 04 December 1998 15:02 Subject: Tequila, was Re: Introduction & Foiler > >Also sprach shyguy@vdot.net: > >>I thought the worm was in Mezcal, not Tequila? > >Dredging up memories from my youth in Far Northern Mexico (i.e. southern >California): > >Mezcal is the plant that tequila is made from. The mezcal worm (actually the >caterpillar of the butterfly that fertilizes the plant, like monarchs on >milkweed) lives on the plant. At some point, someone got the bright idea of >testing the strength of the tequila by dropping a live worm into the bottle. >Supposedly, if the tequila is good and strong, the worm will be dead (or at >least unconscious) before it hits bottom. If the worm is still wiggling when >it hits bottom, the tequila is "wimpy." > >Some "real Mexican tequila" is sold with a label that reads "con guzano" - >"with the worm." Traditionally, when "real hombres" are out drinking, the guy >who takes the last shot from the bottle has to eat the worm. > > >Sparks (I forget how to say that in Spanish and don't have my "diccionario" >handy - Daniel, help me out!) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 12:37:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:25:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: o/t was Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:21:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec4.202112.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-12-04 10:27:39 EST, you write: << >> Nugget foiler = my husband >> >> >> Dianne What I want to know is: Does he look good in a tutu? If so, Patrick may have a ready-made dancing partner! Sparks, >> Hey guys, my dear darling husband may not be much into the normal macho he-man stuff but he does not wear a tutu. :) l l l l l l l But he has been known to wear tights. l l l l l l He does medieval reenactment. He can gobber you with a sword, a fencing blade or a bow & arrow. Take your pick. :) And he loves to dance, thank you very much :) Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 13:00:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:00:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Looking for advice on drilling holes in glass Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.9370.0> Precedence: bulk I've had numerous queries about the Triple Ripple diamond drill bits, so I'll just post the supplier info here. They cost $4.20/ea for 2mm size. Ackley's 3230 N. Stone Colorado Springs,CO 80907 (719) 633-1153 No FAX, no email, no 800#. Talk about down-home! They do mail order though. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 15:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:10:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:48:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.84835.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Tequila/Mezcal - Whichever. Who cares which one has the worm in it as long as it doesn't ruin my marguerita. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 16:03:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:56:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: GPQ Address Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.125416.0> Organization: QM Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, This is the address I have for Glass Patterns Quarterly I hope this helps. Peace, Tim Byrnes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 16:14:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:56:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: o/t was Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:55:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.115550.0> Precedence: bulk The Prima Ballerina never ..... never has a partner. -----Original Message----- From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 2:56 PM Subject: o/t was Re: In defense of GIZMOS > > >In a message dated 98-12-04 10:27:39 EST, you write: > ><< > >> Nugget foiler = my husband > >> > >> > >> Dianne > > > What I want to know is: Does he look good in a tutu? If so, Patrick may have >a > ready-made dancing partner! > > > > Sparks, >> > > > > >Hey guys, my dear darling husband may not be much into the normal macho he-man >stuff but he does not wear a tutu. :) > >l >l >l >l >l >l >l > > >But he has been known to wear tights. > >l >l >l >l >l >l > > >He does medieval reenactment. He can gobber you with a sword, a fencing blade >or a bow & arrow. Take your pick. :) > >And he loves to dance, thank you very much :) > > >Dianne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 18:21:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:32:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "Carol Tombro" , Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:27:43 -0500 Message-ID: <199812050126.UAA19884@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Carol, Plus just think of that extra protine in your drink. Eljay -----Original Message----- From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:24 PM Subject: Tequila/Mezcal >Tequila/Mezcal - Whichever. Who cares which one has the worm in it as >long as it doesn't ruin my marguerita. > >Carol T > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 19:25:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:40:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: i2020.net!wickline From: "Robert G. and Rebecca T. Wickline" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Tequila, was Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:31:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.163146.0> References: <<1998Dec4.14059.0>> Organization: Personal Precedence: bulk those of us who are Spanish teachers could probably help you out in your linguistic lapse. El hombre que tomó la última bebida tiene que comer el gusano. Is that what you needed? (he who drinks the last.....) Maybe we need to learn to do Flamenco too. That would help get rid of little pieces of glass. Becky Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > Also sprach shyguy@vdot.net: > > >I thought the worm was in Mezcal, not Tequila? > > Dredging up memories from my youth in Far Northern Mexico (i.e. southern > California): > > Mezcal is the plant that tequila is made from. The mezcal worm (actually the > caterpillar of the butterfly that fertilizes the plant, like monarchs on > milkweed) lives on the plant. At some point, someone got the bright idea of > testing the strength of the tequila by dropping a live worm into the bottle. > Supposedly, if the tequila is good and strong, the worm will be dead (or at > least unconscious) before it hits bottom. If the worm is still wiggling when > it hits bottom, the tequila is "wimpy." > > Some "real Mexican tequila" is sold with a label that reads "con guzano" - > "with the worm." Traditionally, when "real hombres" are out drinking, the guy > who takes the last shot from the bottle has to eat the worm. > > Sparks (I forget how to say that in Spanish and don't have my "diccionario" > handy - Daniel, help me out!) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 19:45:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:55:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: lvcm.com!ejr929 From: "Ed Rogers" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:53:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.105343.0> Precedence: bulk Why don't you people stop this ridiculous waste of time and energy, chatting about silliness that has absolutely nothing to do with the craft of stained glass?!?! The purpose of a list like this is to discuss SG issues, help each other out, and so forth. The nonsense that I've witnessed for the few days I've been on this site makes me wonder whether you really care about SG, or just want to spend your time with corny, inane chitchat. I hope this group gets back on track!!! ****************************** E-mail from: Ed Rogers EJR929@LVCM.COM ****************************** -----Original Message----- From: Linda Letscher To: Carol Tombro ; glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal >Carol, Plus just think of that extra protine in your drink. >Eljay >-----Original Message----- >From: Carol Tombro >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:24 PM >Subject: Tequila/Mezcal > > >>Tequila/Mezcal - Whichever. Who cares which one has the worm in it as >>long as it doesn't ruin my marguerita. >> >>Carol T >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 19:52:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:11:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Linda Letscher" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: w/worm....... Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:12:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.111212.0> Precedence: bulk Not for those of you who are vegetarians, nor for those of you who do not eat "tref"! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 20:58:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:23:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "Ed Rogers" , Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:23:00 -0500 Message-ID: <199812050421.XAA04500@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Ed, Lighten up a little, it is the holidays. You know ho ho ho!! Eljay -----Original Message----- From: Ed Rogers To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal >Why don't you people stop this ridiculous waste of time and energy, >chatting about silliness that has absolutely nothing to do with the craft of >stained glass?!?! >The purpose of a list like this is to discuss SG issues, help each other >out, and so forth. The nonsense that I've witnessed for the few days I've >been on this site makes me wonder whether you really care about SG, or just >want to spend your time with corny, inane chitchat. > >I hope this group gets back on track!!! > >****************************** > E-mail from: Ed Rogers > EJR929@LVCM.COM >****************************** > >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Letscher >To: Carol Tombro ; glass@bungi.com >Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:40 PM >Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal > > >>Carol, Plus just think of that extra protine in your drink. >>Eljay >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Carol Tombro >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:24 PM >>Subject: Tequila/Mezcal >> >> >>>Tequila/Mezcal - Whichever. Who cares which one has the worm in it as >>>long as it doesn't ruin my marguerita. >>> >>>Carol T >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 21:23:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:44:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: Ed Rogers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:44:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.18440.0> References: <<1998Dec4.105343.0>> Precedence: bulk A little "silliness" never hurts anyone!! Goldpaws Ed Rogers wrote: > > Why don't you people stop this ridiculous waste of time and energy, > chatting about silliness that has absolutely nothing to do with the craft of > stained glass?!?! > The purpose of a list like this is to discuss SG issues, help each other > out, and so forth. The nonsense that I've witnessed for the few days I've > been on this site makes me wonder whether you really care about SG, or just > want to spend your time with corny, inane chitchat. > > I hope this group gets back on track!!! > > ****************************** > E-mail from: Ed Rogers > EJR929@LVCM.COM > ****************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Letscher > To: Carol Tombro ; glass@bungi.com > Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal > > >Carol, Plus just think of that extra protine in your drink. > >Eljay > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Carol Tombro > >To: glass@bungi.com > >Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:24 PM > >Subject: Tequila/Mezcal > > > > > >>Tequila/Mezcal - Whichever. Who cares which one has the worm in it as > >>long as it doesn't ruin my marguerita. > >> > >>Carol T > >> > >>---- > >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >> > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 22:57:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:25:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: my show **and inane chatter Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:27:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.182747.0> References: <<1998Dec4.111212.0>> Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: > > Not for those of you who are vegetarians, nor for those of you who do not > eat "tref"! > > enjoy, H Ok Howard...using those big words again, what's "tref"? Thanks everybody for the encouragement, and advice. Cant wait to get pictures of everything and post them on a webpage so y'all can see what I managed. Im even thinking *Spectrum might just want to send me a t shirt or something for *my fanlamp pattern! ;o) Sure had a hard time keeping my suncatchers prices down...as I just kept adding too them...one started out as a 7 peice star tree ornament...and ended up as a large 3 stared suncatcher....about 20 peices. Ended up with more ideas then I had time to accomplish. Oh well...got another show in February...another small one dayer. Think that is about my speed for awhile. This next show is in small town Oklahoma. It is the big town Osyter fryand arts and crafts festival! Of all things in Southwest Oklahoma! I will stay at my parents...oh, and it is a $10 booth fee! lol...cant lose...setting my sights high dont ya know? It will be alot of fun...will just have to try not to be next to the polyester quilts!! I know alot of those old ladies! Their sewing could knock your socks off...if they could just throw away that bottemless box of fabric from 1971. Makes me shudder to think of those dresses I wore... Thanks again...think it is all coming together well. Even lost about 3 pounds! My husband said "well I guess so, you've given up eating and sleeping!" Tulsa Suzanne...I have this feeling Ed is just gonna love me! Thank goodness my husband came out into my studio several days ago and asked if there was anything he could do to help! ;o) Is there ever! Gave him a lesson in foiling...and he was a great sport when I would return a peice and ask him to redo it! ;o) We spent several full days...like that. Me cutting all day long...and handing it over to him to foil...then the next day I would solder alllllll day and night. I can cut 3-9 in the time it takes me to solder 1! Is it just me? Today, I soldered all day..then poured 4 stones after dinner. All that is left production wise is solder one more fan... now I can price, and pack. We are almost there! Can not even imagine what I would have done without my husband foiling for me. Saved me! Sunday is the day. -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 4 23:14:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:30:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MISGLAS From: MISGLAS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal (Ed Rogers) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:24:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec5.62449.0> Precedence: bulk Life is too short to be so uptight, Ed! This is harmless fun. You can always use the delete key. Kathi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 00:20:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:52:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Gothcha Ed Rogers Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:29:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.182953.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Ed. How about a bio? Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 02:09:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:19:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hey ... Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 02:03:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec4.20344.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks again. So many really great people ready and willing to help each other. I appreciate it. Arnold...Im still working on my response to you, pal! ;o) Junk! well I never! Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 04:12:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 03:28:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Lezliesart From: Lezliesart@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Thanks for all the help & looking for a kiln temp controll Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:27:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec5.112714.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to say thanks for all the helpful advice on my drilling problems. I think II'll be able to lick the problem as soon as the new gadgets arrive! It's great to have a resource like this instead of just "shooting in the dark" and wasting a lot of time and $$ on gadgets that don't work as well as I'd hoped. Now for an even bigger question. Does anyone know a good kiln controller that can be added to a small kiln that isn't too expensive and is capable of going up to 23,000 degrees? ( I also do porcelain so I need the high temp) I saw one in the Arrow Springs catalogue that looked like it would work but it was almost $400, just a little more than I can spend at the moment. I overfired 2 kiln loads of Christmas pins last week and need to set up some way to automatically shut off the kiln when it reaches the right temp. I'm tend to get distracted by other projects and have absolutely no sense of time so keeping an eagle eye on the kiln just isn't working for me. I'm also looking for a chart that correlates actual kiln temps with the "cone"numbers that are used in ceramic firing. I know I've seen a chart somewhere but can't seem to find it in any of the books I have. Lezlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 05:46:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:42:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: looking for a kiln temp controller Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: <199812051239.HAA07445@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know a good kiln controller that > can be added to a small kiln that isn't too expensive and is capable of going > up to 23,000 degrees? You must mean 2300 degrees, right? Cone 8 or 9 if I remember rightly. I think that at 23000 degrees whatever you're firing would vaporize, not just puddle. For firing questions, I'd suggest you chat with Marty Daily at Centre DeVerre. His web site's http://www.cdvkiln.com/ and his email's info@cdvkiln.com He's a font of information on firing glass and/or ceramics. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 06:06:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:48:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Linda Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: KNICKERS IN A KNOT? Tequila/Mezcal Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 07:44:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.24418.0> References: <<199812050421.XAA04500@smtp.america.net>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Ed, Yes, don't get your knickers in a knot-we are all human-most of us anyway, and the Nov/Dec/Jan show or gallery season has most of us putting in hours like Suzanne has described. Ringie, with lack of sleep, production schedules, delivery orders, show schedules, etc. This list and a couple of others, let us get to know each other and blow off steam and frustration. (or god why did that last piece of glass for that panel snap, and out of the particular color). So we all get off track from time to time. If you want just cold hard glass info, the library, and IGGA site has plenty books to read. No straying off track, cute comments, or any of the other fun things that makes this e-mail list worth while for most people. Maybe that is more appropriate for you, than a real live mail list with real live people??? With warm Christmas thought for all, Lee Boe RAin-Boe's Creations Linda Letscher wrote: > > Ed, > Lighten up a little, it is the holidays. You know ho ho ho!! > Eljay > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Rogers > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:54 PM > Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal > > >Why don't you people stop this ridiculous waste of time and energy, > >chatting about silliness that has absolutely nothing to do with the craft > of > >stained glass?!?! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 06:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:11:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 08:07:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981205080753.006aa8b8@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Hi Ed.... Welcome to Bungi.... hang in there a little. The information that you can get from this list is priceless.... try this: ask a question and just watch how fast you will get wonderful answers and supportive responses. You will be hearing from some of the most talented people in stained glass I know of....... really!! Anything.... from twisting wire to chemical analysis....... finding glass and patterns to copywrite information and workshop safety.... It is all here. Barbara >X-Path: lvcm.com!ejr929 >X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) >From: "Ed Rogers" >To: >Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal >Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:53:43 -0800 > >Why don't you people stop this ridiculous waste of time and energy, >chatting about silliness that has absolutely nothing to do with the craft of >stained glass?!?! >The purpose of a list like this is to discuss SG issues, help each other >out, and so forth. The nonsense that I've witnessed for the few days I've >been on this site makes me wonder whether you really care about SG, or just >want to spend your time with corny, inane chitchat. > >I hope this group gets back on track!!! > >****************************** > E-mail from: Ed Rogers > EJR929@LVCM.COM >****************************** > >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Letscher >To: Carol Tombro ; glass@bungi.com >Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:40 PM >Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal > > >>Carol, Plus just think of that extra protine in your drink. >>Eljay >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Carol Tombro >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:24 PM >>Subject: Tequila/Mezcal >> >> >>>Tequila/Mezcal - Whichever. Who cares which one has the worm in it as >>>long as it doesn't ruin my marguerita. >>> >>>Carol T >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 06:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:31:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: framing round panel - end of story Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:29:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.32959.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! THANKS so much everbody who has contributed to my list of options on how to frame a round panel. On this one I've framed with H came, and then strung ladderchain around - it looks very nice! Thank you very much! I will probably try all of the other suggestions in time - this one I could do with materials at hand! Have a great weekend - everyone! Dany Software Consultant http://www.city-net.com/~dany ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 07:08:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:22:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: inane chatter subtitled how come i love all you guys (a true confession) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:19:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec5.141932.0> Precedence: bulk Hey guys, Need to put my 2 cents in worth re: sticking or not sticking to the subject (or being stuck by the subject). I found bungi on Mike's site and started getting your postings. I never would have said a word had it not been for the "inane chatter", it made me realize you guys are real people, have a life, own duct tape, appreciate ballet, aren't scared by slightly perverse jokes (K, ya did admit the tutu is kinda perverse) and are always willing to help beginners or anyone who knows less than you do. I was so nervous the first time I posted, waited for the gates of hell to open because I was "intruding", you guys helped me get over that feeling very quickly. I don't work on glass because it is a business, I do it for the pure enjoyment, it is a vacation from reality. Once you have made the initial investment, gotten the toys and the gizmos you can spend hours with very little money invested. Ya'll (did I spell that right? I am a yankee) are part of the enjoyment of working with glass. Ok, gotta go, am headed out to lunch, bearing sun catchers as gifts for the unsuspecting. (hey, these aren't some cutsey things, very geometric, very me) Hugs and kisses from the guys at the Instant Karma Bar and Grill, Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 07:59:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:40:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:35:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.43530.0> Precedence: bulk Poor Ed.....Guess someone else ate his worm...or something Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Ed Rogers To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal >Why don't you people stop this ridiculous waste of time and energy, >chatting about silliness that has absolutely nothing to do with the craft of >stained glass?!?! >The purpose of a list like this is to discuss SG issues, help each other >out, and so forth. The nonsense that I've witnessed for the few days I've >been on this site makes me wonder whether you really care about SG, or just >want to spend your time with corny, inane chitchat. > >I hope this group gets back on track!!! > >****************************** > E-mail from: Ed Rogers > EJR929@LVCM.COM >****************************** > >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Letscher >To: Carol Tombro ; glass@bungi.com >Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:40 PM >Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal > > >>Carol, Plus just think of that extra protine in your drink. >>Eljay >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Carol Tombro >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:24 PM >>Subject: Tequila/Mezcal >> >> >>>Tequila/Mezcal - Whichever. Who cares which one has the worm in it as >>>long as it doesn't ruin my marguerita. >>> >>>Carol T >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 08:17:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:58:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: hey ... Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:52:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.45237.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne....Well what else rhymes with "spunk" ??? Good luck...You'll be a winner Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 5:15 AM Subject: hey ... >Thanks again. So many really great people ready and willing to help >each other. I appreciate it. > >Arnold...Im still working on my response to you, pal! ;o) Junk! well I >never! > >Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 08:17:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:03:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Thanks for all the help & looking for a kiln temp controll Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.45758.0> Precedence: bulk Of course you mean 2300, however timers are expensive....The least expensive way to go is to buy the smallest pocket sized oven timer you can find, set it to the time you want and stick it in your pocket. When it dings, turn the kiln off. As far as temperature is concerned....can't help you there.... Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Lezliesart@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 7:23 AM Subject: Thanks for all the help & looking for a kiln temp controll > Just wanted to say thanks for all the helpful advice on my drilling problems. >I think II'll be able to lick the problem as soon as the new gadgets arrive! >It's great to have a resource like this instead of just "shooting in the dark" >and wasting a lot of time and $$ on gadgets that don't work as well as I'd >hoped. > Now for an even bigger question. Does anyone know a good kiln controller that >can be added to a small kiln that isn't too expensive and is capable of going >up to 23,000 degrees? ( I also do porcelain so I need the high temp) I saw one >in the Arrow Springs catalogue that looked like it would work but it was >almost $400, just a little more than I can spend at the moment. >I overfired 2 kiln loads of Christmas pins last week and need to set up some >way to automatically shut off the kiln when it reaches the right temp. I'm >tend to get distracted by other projects and have absolutely no sense of time >so keeping an eagle eye on the kiln just isn't working for me. > I'm also looking for a chart that correlates actual kiln temps with the >"cone"numbers that are used in ceramic firing. I know I've seen a chart >somewhere but can't seem to find it in any of the books I have. > Lezlie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 08:31:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:14:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!sglass1 From: "jean pay" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: scratched glass Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 07:13:05 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec5.15135.0> Precedence: bulk Hello to all ! Where to start? I bought my glass. (didn't take your advice on choosing the glass ) :( Now I made a deer. Oval turned out great! I mean it WAS oval, no gaps,grain going the correct way. Well the med amber is scratched all over.I never noticed untill I hung in my window. I was so happy thinking it had turned out so well. Now I want to bash It against brick wall :( My question is are all glass stores the same? I have gone back to the glass store and noticed that the stuff in lger 12x12" 3/4 of it was scratched most just little spots but some was really yucky. I looked at other stuff smaller like 8x10 in other displays and even some of that was scratched . I didn't bother checking lg stuff in back. (though they don't let you touch any way) Soooo do all of you have to inspect every piece front and back (this piece had a blob of glass on the front also ) before purchasing ? or what? At the time i wasn't using a light table. since then took a weekend and now I have a door w/light on 4x4's. next i guess i'll go thru my glass and see what good and whats scratched. Oh well back to the cutting board. :) Jeanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 08:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:14:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Bad foil job Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:23:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec5.52335.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, While foiling several pieces the foil did not center. I was wondering, must I refoil the entire piece or can I just cut out the bad section and refoil that section overlapping on both sides? Any comments greatly appreciated. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 09:05:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:40:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hal-pc.org!kkelly From: "Kathryn C. Kelly" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Holiday Party Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 09:36:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.33632.0> Organization: Houston Area League of PC Users Precedence: bulk Greetings! I was wondering if any other Houston area Bungi folks for like to get together to exchange some holiday cheer and glass tips? Kathryn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 09:06:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:17:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: early.com!hugsal From: Ann Hughes To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: A thanks!! Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 10:16:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981205101602.007c6410@pop.early.com> Precedence: bulk I would like to thank everyone who wrote back to me on helping me with a piece of their favorite glass to be added to my friendship glass quilt. I really appreciate all the responses. It is going to be spectacular when it iis done. Thanks for all the email I watch going by on hints to do things. Some have been pretty interesting and helpful and I plan on using some of the ideas. If anyone else is interested in exchanging glass yet with me to help me out I would appreciate it very much. I still need more to do this quilt and rather than me picking some glass out I would much rather have your favorites added to it. Please email me back if you are interested. I would most like to have some overseas pieces as well. Thanks to all again!!!!!!! Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 09:16:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:24:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Breaking Glass Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 10:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.51839.0> References: <<199812051239.HAA07445@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have a project right now that calls for frosted "Beach Glass" I need to break up 5-10 pounds of glass scrap into 1" to 2" inch pieces. I have a friend (Lapidary) who has a big vibrating tumbler, and will tumble it for me. How is the best (safest) way to crunch up a good amount of glass? Even thought of getting some kind of close weave bag (cloth) and running the car over it, but some might 'shard' into a tire. I don't have a sledge hammer, and don't really want to 'crush' it , just get it into smaller pieces. TIA Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 09:50:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:00:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: kos.net!chrisg From: chrisg@kos.net (Chris Gundersen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Math quiz? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:58:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Had a small problem that I'm sure someone with math skills could assist me with. I want to build a lampshade with x number of sides and know the diameter at the top and bottom. How can I calculate the angle that I must cut all the sides so that everything will line up properly. I hate to make cutouts of cardboard when I know this is the computer age. Thanks Chris ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 10:08:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:01:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: jean pay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: scratched glass Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 12:01:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.713.0> References: <<1998Dec5.15135.0>> Precedence: bulk jean pay wrote: > > Hello to all ! > > Where to start? I bought my glass. (didn't take your advice on choosing > the glass ) :( Now I made a deer. Oval turned out great! > I mean it WAS oval, no gaps,grain going the correct way. > Well the med amber is scratched all over.I never noticed untill I hung > in my window. I was so happy thinking it had turned out so well. Now I > want to bash It against brick wall :( My question is are all glass > stores the same? I have gone back to the glass store and noticed that > the stuff in lger 12x12" 3/4 of it was scratched most just little spots > but some was really yucky. I looked at other stuff smaller like 8x10 in > other displays and even some of that was scratched . I didn't bother > checking lg stuff in back. (though they don't let you touch any way) > Soooo do all of you have to inspect every piece front and back (this > piece had a blob of glass on the front also ) before purchasing ? or > what? At the time i wasn't using a light table. since then took a > weekend and now I have a door w/light on 4x4's. next i guess i'll go > thru my glass and see what good and whats scratched. Oh well back to > the cutting board. :) Jeanne > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass was your glass armstrong? i've seen alot of armstrong packed tightly in crates. they rub against each other. if their 8x12's are scratched, it's the stores fault. because usually 8x12's don't come that way, they're cut from larger sheets. where as armstrong will usually come as a 12x12 for some reason. it's difficult to remember to look for scratches at the store. i'll usually forget to do it. when cleaning the glass i look for scratches and mark it with a white pen, usually with a circle or an arrow. this way i know where to avoid. and if alot of it's scratched, you might want to mention it the owner somehow... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 10:26:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:04:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Jim Gonzalez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad foil job Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 12:04:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.740.0> References: <<1998Dec5.52335.0>> Precedence: bulk Jim Gonzalez wrote: > > Hi, > > While foiling several pieces the foil did not center. > I was wondering, must I refoil the entire piece or > can I just cut out the bad section and refoil that > section overlapping on both sides? > > Any comments greatly appreciated. > > Jim > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if you can, remove the foil and start over. 3 things will happen if you don't: 1. the piece will be thicker and may not fit into place. 2. the foil is off center, meaning that there's less on one side and more on the other. if you overlap the foil, there's still going to be more on one side, which is very unattractive. 3. replacing the bad section would be weak, and would most likely fail in the future. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 10:46:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:21:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: scratched glass Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:13:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.71334.0> Precedence: bulk Jean, the good thing about this is that you CAN look at each piece of glass BEFORE you buy it. If it is scratched, don't take it. If the scratches are not in areas you want to use, you can cut around it. That's one advantage of buying retail rather than mail-order. [Also remember...I'm a retailer] Arnold -----Original Message----- From: jean pay To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 11:50 AM Subject: scratched glass >Hello to all ! > >Where to start? I bought my glass. (didn't take your advice on choosing >the glass ) :( Now I made a deer. Oval turned out great! >I mean it WAS oval, no gaps,grain going the correct way. >Well the med amber is scratched all over.I never noticed untill I hung >in my window. I was so happy thinking it had turned out so well. Now I >want to bash It against brick wall :( My question is are all glass >stores the same? I have gone back to the glass store and noticed that >the stuff in lger 12x12" 3/4 of it was scratched most just little spots >but some was really yucky. I looked at other stuff smaller like 8x10 in >other displays and even some of that was scratched . I didn't bother >checking lg stuff in back. (though they don't let you touch any way) >Soooo do all of you have to inspect every piece front and back (this >piece had a blob of glass on the front also ) before purchasing ? or >what? At the time i wasn't using a light table. since then took a >weekend and now I have a door w/light on 4x4's. next i guess i'll go >thru my glass and see what good and whats scratched. Oh well back to >the cutting board. :) Jeanne > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 10:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:22:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bad foil job Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:16:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.71634.0> Precedence: bulk Jim...Like everything else...It depends....Generally you can cut the bad pieces off and refoil just that area. It is wise to overlap the refoiled area a little so there are no open areas. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 12:12 PM Subject: Bad foil job >Hi, > >While foiling several pieces the foil did not center. >I was wondering, must I refoil the entire piece or >can I just cut out the bad section and refoil that >section overlapping on both sides? > >Any comments greatly appreciated. > >Jim > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 11:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:27:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Jim Gonzalez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad foil job Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 11:34:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.53453.0> References: <<1998Dec5.52335.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Jim Depends on the quality you want to produce. If you want it to be great. *refoil* it. Try to get the adhesive off the glass before you refoil also. Fingernail polish remover works good to get that off. If you do not refoil it...your patch that over laps may *float off when you solder over it...or if it stays, you will be able to see that it over laps other foil. When I foil a peice of glass I try for as little overlap at my ends as possible. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 11:10:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:58:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Central PA show Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:55:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.75520.0> Precedence: bulk Suzy was looking for good SE PA shows. This one in central PA is very, very good. Central Pennsylvania Festival of the Arts July 8-11, 1999 locaton: Borough of State College & campus of Penn State draw: over 150,000 people attended last year prizes totaling $15,000 will be awarded obviously, heavily juried $20 jurying fee, $300 booth fee for 10'x10' more info? Arts Festival Office (814) 237-3682 or office@arts-festival.com Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 11:52:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:41:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Ed Rogers" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:24:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.8242.0> Precedence: bulk Ah, here we go again. Another lurker complaining because = we're not entertaining him properly! As though we get paid for our time and advice!! Hey, Ed, how about contributing something besides complaints!! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 12:07:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:52:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Jim Gonzalez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bad foil job Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:50:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.85036.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Jim- Just cut out the bad section.... or, heck, if it's not too bad, trim the fatter side with an X-acto knife. Or stick another piece over the skinny side and trim to match. Use your imagination! Just remember to get enough foil on each = side of the glass so that when you solder, there's enough matrix to hold the glass together. Remember, it's the solder = that holds the glass together, not the foil. The foil is just there so the solder has something to adhere to. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 12:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:06:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ppp16.math.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Mezcal y Tequila Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:04:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec5.9414.0> References: <<199812050329.DAA56122@csgrs6k1.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk | Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: |=20 | > Also sprach shyguy@vdot.net: | > | > >I thought the worm was in Mezcal, not Tequila? | > | > Dredging up memories from my youth in Far Northern Mexico (i.e. south= ern | > California): | > | > Mezcal is the plant that tequila is made from. The mezcal worm (actua= lly the Mezcal is not extracted from the same plant as the tequila. Mezcal is extracted from "Agave mexicana", "Agave wixlinzeni" and "A. deispiens". By extension, this kind of agave is called Mezcal. Tequla is extracted from "Agave tequilana". | > caterpillar of the butterfly that fertilizes the plant, like monarchs= on | > milkweed) lives on the plant. At some point, someone got the bright i= dea of | > testing the strength of the tequila by dropping a live worm into the = bottle. | > Supposedly, if the tequila is good and strong, the worm will be dead = (or at | > least unconscious) before it hits bottom. If the worm is still wiggli= ng when | > it hits bottom, the tequila is "wimpy." Tequila does not have worm. Only mezcal. Mezcal is less pure than tequila. | > Some "real Mexican tequila" is sold with a label that reads "con guza= no" - | > "with the worm." Traditionally, when "real hombres" are out drinking,= the guy If you want good "real tequila", look for the "A=F1ejo" and "Reposado" = labels. My friends --I don't drink alcohol-- recommend Herradura Reposado. | > who takes the last shot from the bottle has to eat the worm. | > | > Sparks (I forget how to say that in Spanish and don't have my "diccio= nario" | > handy - Daniel, help me out!) | > ---- | > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass |=20 | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass |=20 |=20 -- Daniel M. German "A first-rate laboratory is one in=20 which mediocre scientists can produce Patrick Maynard Stuart Blackett ->outstanding work" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 12:31:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:15:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bad foil job Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.91425.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Jim Gonzalez >While foiling several pieces the foil did not center. I was wondering, must I refoil the entire piece or can I just cut out the bad section and refoil that section overlapping on both sides?< You don't have to redo the entire thing. Just cut bad section & refoil. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 12:46:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:41:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #75 Donna Harris Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:41:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.74123.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I have been listening for over a year to this list and have enjoyed it and the sites recommended. Now, finally is time for an introduction. I have been doing stained glass for about 25 years. Starting as a hobbyist in Florida, and then a business for 2-3 years in Wisconsin; I now continue only for fun. I have a studio area in my home which is always set up (19 years) and which I can access anytime I am inspired. I seem to be the type of personality that works feverishly for months at a time and then burn out and don't touch glass for a year or so. Crazy, but that's the way I work. I have gone thru phases of window panels, boxes, jewelry, stepping stones (2yrs ago) and now for the first time making lamps. I am very attracted to the straight lines of panel lamps in the Frank Lloyd Wright style. For Christmas presents this year, I have made over 12 lamps and my husband is making the bases out of cherry from a freind's woods. I also work with a rehabilitation group called Wildlife of Wisconsin which cares for injured, abandoned or diseased wildlife. Thus, the nature influence. I love working with colors and the blues, greens and all natural colors dominate my work. I completed a lamp on a drift wood base that is 4 sided (large) with swirls of leaves, blues for sky and water and have incorporated a sunface molded piece on one side a bug molded on another and a turtle mold into a pond area on another side. I had such a good time, that I am again in the fever mode and have another lamp started that I need advise. I am making a mosaic 4 panel that I would like to hide an elephant in! Yes, an elephant.....I'm sure many of you have seen windows that have hidden designs . If you look at them long enough, you may see a tiger or something else emerge. Las Vegas is a good place to look for this type of design. I was wondering if anyone has suggestions of where to look for information on this type of design or any suggestions on how to do this. I am also looking for some elephant patterns that might work in a lamp. Thank you in advance for any assistance and now I will go back to listening. Donna Harms. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 12:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:16:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, leestat7@home.com Subject: Breaking Glass Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:52:49, -0500 Message-ID: <199812051852.NAA11930@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Lee Boe writes, in part: >>I have a project right now that calls for frosted "Beach Glass" I need to break up 5-10 pounds of glass scrap into 1" to 2" inch pieces. I have a friend (Lapidary) who has a big vibrating tumbler, and will tumble it for me. How is the best (safest) way to crunch up a good amount of glass? << I have tried several ways of breaking up glass including a post rammer in a large plastic bucket to make frit. Just smashing the glass results in a very wide variation in size from powder to pieces of several square inches. For your purpose, I suggest that you bite the bullet and cut the glass into pieces of about one square foot and then space scores in one direction about one to two inches apart, turn 90 degrees, or so and repeat scoring. Break all scores in one direction and then break up the resulting strips. Ten pounds of glass should take less than one hour to reduce to pieces of the size you need. In the long run I think this is the preferred method for you. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 13:01:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:51:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: #75 How do you hide and elephant? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:45:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.74524.0> Precedence: bulk Hiding the elephant is not hard. Its trying to cover up the smell of peanuts that's hard. I once had an elephant in the living room .... but nobody would talk about him) (Oh no, here we go again, another silly thread) Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 13:05:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:28:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Poor Patrick! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:17:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199812051926.TAA29255@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk MMmmmm.... Toby - a dainty 7 stone (approx. 50 kgs) little cherub - has been a virtual "orphan" for the last week or so, while Elisabeth has looked after her Mother-in-law (a little poorly at 87..), run classes, done week-end all-day workshops (8.30 am - 6 pm!!), attend her own teacher certificate training course, put together the final touches to her "national qualification" s.g. course, done her quarterly dreaded accounts, working on a commission that should be delivered (preferably!) BEFORE this Christmas, all - away from home. Sorry folks! Am chasing my tail at the moment. Arrived home tonight (frost and snow just set in "over here" - bbrrrr!!). Toby toooo occupied in telling me how maltreated he has been, that he hasn't checked the e-mails and wasn't too impressed when I told him there were about 600. I think Patrick, gnomon and tu-tu will be safe this week-end - ...just. Onwards and upwards....599 still to go through! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Carol Tombro wrote: > Geez Pat, has it come to this desperate plan of withholding a pattern in > order to get a bio? I guess Toby is bigger than I thought. Good luck, hope > you get them soon, the weekend is fast approaching. > > Pat Kelly wrote: > > > Jean, > > > > I have a pattern for a panel. It will cost you a bio. email me your snail > > mail address and I'll have it in the mail. > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 13:08:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:30:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Breaking glass Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:30:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.73041.0> Precedence: bulk If you were a Prima Ballerina like me I would suggest "The Nut Cracker Suite". Those pointed toe slippers do a real good job on Bullseye, especially on the jumps. The only problem I've had in the past is the marching toy soldiers .... don't, they fall down. So we made it into a comedy. Seriously, why not sandwiching it between two pieces of thin plywood and then running over it with your car? Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 13:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:04:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: advice again? ;o) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:53:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199812052002.UAA30296@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk This is just a terribly short and very inadequate comment. Suzanne in Tulsa has taken off and is "flying", just the way I imagined she would right from the start. Good on you girl! I see there is a better chance of seeing you next year in USA! Saving up a lot of "goodie" lead ideas for the occasion! Roll on next August!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK P.S. You mean you don't STIR your coffee with your index finger...?! > Hi everybody. Every single finger that is attached to me hurts so bad, > dont know if I can go to sleep. Spent yesterday cutting all day. Today > was soldering all day (9am -midnight) > Lessons I learned today. > > 1.Flux stings! (bad) > > 2. when you are tired enough you really dont give a damn whether you die > from lead poisoning or old age, you just want some rest. > Why arent you supposed to drink while you solder? I dont dip my ingers > in my drink. > > 3.I need more bandaides, and time. Now, for the advice request... > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 13:22:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:39:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio# 74 Luanne Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:37:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.73719.0> Precedence: bulk A lurker replies, with a BIO, the hardest thing to write, but a good way to introduce ones self. I am a new lurker and already have benefited greatly by the information and generosity of all bungis. I was introduced to the bungi group by Linda Campbell, thank you Linda, and thank you all. My name is Luanne Kane, linked forever with Lead Lines Stained Glass Studio. I was born in Amityville, New York on June 5, 1956. I lived in 9 different states before settling here in Dunedin, Florida. Dunedin is a small town (50,000 people) on the west coast of Florida. I have been married to Jim Kane for 20 years and have a daughter 13 years old. I began my journey with stained glass in 1979. I was working as a Communications Technician with AT&T Long Lines in New Orleans, Louisiana. It was a good job for the corporate world but MONEY was the only thing that kept me there. Listen to your elders, NEVER DO IT FOR THE MONEY. I always had some kind of hobby, usually craft like, so stained glass naturally interested me. I enrolled in a 5 week course and was hooked. I began slowly, making gifts and then progressing to filling orders for my friends at work. I then started participating in local craft shows, later graduating to art shows. All this, while still working my day job. After a few years, I finally had the courage to quit my real job and plunge right in to the glass world. It was a difficult decision but the best one I ever made. My husband and I moved from New Orleans to Florida in 1983 and at this point I set up a studio in a spare bedroom and started a wholesale suncatcher business. I would make say about $1,000 worth of suncatchers and hit the road. I would call on small gift shops, show the owners my glass and sell the items right out of my cases. My work was well received and before I knew I had outgrown the bedroom studio and was searching for a studio outside the home. At this time Jim and I had also decided to start a family, with a baby on the way, we either had to move the business or move us all. I opted to move the business. The storefront I found was originally to be a place to work, not a real business. The area where the studio was had terrific walk-in traffic and with the natural curiosity of people, the studio immediately turned into a stained glass studio/gift shoppe. Before I knew it, I had employees for the studio and outside salespeople. The business was good from the beginning and a lot of work, in retrospect, I don't know how I ever managed to do it all. My daughter was with me all day at work, day care was not an option for me. She literally grew up in the studio and though it may not have always been the best situation for me, it was for her. I realized after 8 years that the business had turned me from artist to merchant/manager and I was looking for a way to simplify things. By this time, our family had moved into a larger home and after much consideration, I closed the business and set up the studio in our garage. The 8 years of storefront visibility had enabled me to build a client base. I have been working from home (again) since 1993 and the freedom and flexibility of working when I please has proved to be the best way for me. I work alone, do all sales myself, have a talented woodcrafter to do all major installations, all records are in a shoe box and life is great. I still wholesale suncatchers and small panels, do custom commission work and have a line of costume jewelry that I sell mainly to art centers and trendy gift shops. I no longer do shows, they proved to be difficult for me, hard to prepare for, etc. I have been teaching since 1980, with small sized classes at the store and now individual instruction at my garage studio. It is a wonderful way to pass on my love for glass and meet and make new friends through glass. I have met some of the nicest people through this crazy glass business and some of the craziest! I will probably be in this business forever, I find it to be very therapeutic and rewarding. On my worst day, it takes about 5 minutes in my studio to feel the tension go away. I never tire of making that same pattern (one more time) for wholesale and the excitement of a big custom job basically keeps me up all night. I hope I never lose my love of glass. The business seems to have come full circle in a very short time, funny how things work out. OUT OF LURKDOM NOW Luanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 13:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:39:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: inane chatter subtitled how come i love all you guys (a true confession) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:32:44 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec5.193244.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/5/98 7:08:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, CncptThnkr@aol.com writes: << I never would have said a word had it not been for the "inane chatter", it made me realize you guys are real people, have a life, own duct tape, appreciate ballet, aren't scared by slightly perverse jokes >> Ed's got a point also altho rather strongly stated. Certain threads tend to get a life of there own, and sometimes - although interesting - get way off topic. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 13:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:12:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Update on Elisabeth Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:11:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.81123.0> Precedence: bulk Harassed Elisabeth until she responded to "Where are You"?. her answer: Up to my bloody neck in it!!!! Catch up with you later.... E 'n T in UK So ... I guess the "cantankerous one" is still kicking. Prepare for deluge when she gets out of a pile of what ever it is she is in (Pat's minds wanders and hopes for the worst). (8-) Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 15:47:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:57:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: inane chatter Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:03:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199812052254.RAA11023@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Ed's got a point also altho rather strongly stated. Certain threads tend > to get a life of there own, and sometimes - although interesting - get > way off topic. Oh, well. Most of life's off topic, so why not part of the bungi chat? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 16:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:52:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: <199812052248.RAA20939@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Question Time: I am doing a small window 10x30, rose in a vase sitting on a table, in front of a leaded window. I have always done either lead or copper foil but never mixed medias. Question I would like to foil the flower and vase and the horizon at the table top, but the background glass I want to lead. Am I making any sense at all. So the effect will be the foiled flower and vase and the lead looking like a leaded window. Where the flower meets the background (clear waterglass) I want to keep the lead lines straight. So where the flower and vase but the waterglass, can I foil that and still put my lead where it should be. Gee I can't seem to explain this. I guess I could do the whole thing in lead. The flower turned out so well, I just thought maybe I should foil it. Trying to do something different. Your input appreciated. Clarification upon request, I can try to make it even more confusing. :-) I have thought about this all day and figured I would jump on in. I have learned so much just reading all my e-mail. I am getting to feel as if I know you all. Happy Holidays, Linda Jo Letscher (Eljay) ICQ uin 5072431 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 16:46:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:01:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: scratched glass Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.135749.0> Precedence: bulk Jean: >Well the med amber is scratched all over.I never noticed untill I hung >in my window. What brand glass is it? Mike is correct in that each brand of glass has slight manufacturing differences and some of these are undesirable. >....:( My question is are all glass >stores the same? I have gone back to the glass store and noticed that >the stuff in lger 12x12" 3/4 of it was scratched most just little spots >but some was really yucky. I looked at other stuff smaller like 8x10 in >other displays and even some of that was scratched . The scratches you described sound like the kind from the rollers the glass rides on after it is rolled out, during the cool-down process. If scratched in manufacturing it would make no difference what size piece you would look at. "Are all stores the same?", Not really, when we received glass from a manufacturer that was scratched we sold it (in-store only) as seconds with a healthy mark-down. Good stores depend on repeat business and will not mess with this problem. We clean glass before cutting the full sheets and check them for this and other defects. >I didn't bother >checking lg stuff in back. (though they don't let you touch any way) A glass store might not let a customer handle larger sheets of glass. Many times our customers shoved glass into bins causing other sheets to crack (but not break). Later when the glass was touched the broken sheet would fall out of the bin like a guillotine onto an unsuspecting person. Another problem is just what you described; many people, including people in-the-business do not know how to properly handle glass without damaging it. >Soooo do all of you have to inspect every piece front and back (this >piece had a blob of glass on the front also ) before purchasing ? or >what? Deal with a responsible company and this should not be a problem. We even ship glass out of the country without a problem, our customers are not able to look at each piece, even so, our mail order customers are happy with their glass. We are extremely careful with glass selections for shipment and we only sell first quality glass. >At the time i wasn't using a light table. since then took a >weekend and now I have a door w/light on 4x4's. A light table is one of the most useful tools in glass work. Write to me off line if you would like Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 17:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:31:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: I think I see a life through the window... Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 20:31:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.153116.0> Precedence: bulk ...and I think it's my life. We had our last craft fair today, so all I have to do now is finish up those special orders (not all of which have to be done for Christmas...whoopee). So I think I may finally have a life for a while. We have had about as good an autumn/early winter season as I can survive. Am now home watching UConn women's basketball on TV and need to do an ATM run to deposit checks. Does life get much better? (Well, yes, I think I'll whip up some hot chocolate...) Should have time to get that fruitcake I promised my son and his SO...or maybe a Chia pet... Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 19:01:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:51:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Pat Kelly" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bio #75 Donna Harris Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.154712.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick! Are you cheating again?? I could swear I've read Donna Harris' bio before and not all that long ago! Boy, some folks will do anything to save their tutus! Toby..... here boy.... got a = little snack waiting for you......! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 19:12:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:56:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: "Molly Keys" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Aggies Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:53:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.13538.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE2088.E1C55680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just couldn't resist sharing this with you'all. I know there have to = be a few fellow Aggies out there in "Bungi Land". How 'bout them Aggies! Whoop! Whoop! For those who don't know what I'm talking about, it's football! Couldn't resist. Gig'em Molly Keys ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE2088.E1C55680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE2088.E1C55680-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 19:25:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:20:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Gemstone 14" Studio Beveler Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:25:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.142559.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All... Is anyone here using one of these machines?? If so how do you like it and is it better or worse than others? I've got one of Gemstone's Super Buff polishing machines and love it and was considering adding a small beveling machine to my shop... The Inland Twin Spin with beveling kit I have leaves a LOT to be desired and I dont really have the $$ to go with commercial Glastar equipment etc... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 19:52:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:43:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!sglass1 From: "jean pay" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: need a lamp maker Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 18:42:06 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec6.2426.0> Precedence: bulk I have a client for who i do work for. She bought a lamp,from a place ordered it got it home and its broken. I looked at her and said I could steer her to some good glass work. sooooo anybody wanna job? in NE Pa. area . Jeanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 20:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:39:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: andor@fair.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:14:36, -0500 Message-ID: <199812060314.WAA13840@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Linda Jo writes, in part: I am doing a small window 10x30, rose in a vase sitting on a table, in front of a leaded window. I have always done either lead or copper foil but never mixed medias. Question I would like to foil the flower and vase and the horizon at the table top, but the background glass I want to lead. Am I making any sense at all. So the effect will be the foiled flower and vase and the lead looking like a leaded window.<< Sure you can mix the two techniques. In fact, in the window you describe mixing lead and foil seems like the best choice. When finishing the lead/foil window I recommend you putty the leaded portion first and patina the foiled portion second. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 20:56:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:17:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Shop Ideas? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:37:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.143737.0> Precedence: bulk I'm in the process of drawing up plans for a new workshop for my glass biz.... I've outgrown the 2 rooms in the house I now use... Are there any things I need to make room for that you have in your shop or wish you had made room for?? Right now I only do panels for homebuilders and thier customers basicly and since I take samples,photos,and a laptop right to the jobsites I have no need for a 'customer area'....Basicly I'm looking at building a 20'x36' building so I can have plenty of room to build multiple panels at once instead of having to shuffle everything around like I do now in these small rooms...Also will be having plenty of racks for glass (then maybe I'll actually be able to find something around here) Any ideas would be appreciated... I do want to prewire for a future kiln and such should I buy one in the future too.. Thanks in advance! Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 22:08:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:52:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: The Score - Software & Sundials Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.181831.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all- Just got the latest issue of Spectrum's newsletter and wanted to pass on a = couple of things. = First, there is an article comparing The Glass Eye and Designer II software that I thought some of you might be interested in. = Second, two mosaic publications are = reviewed, one entitled "SunTiles" by = Catherine Huben --to make some really cool mosaic sundials. Huben's book includes a free aluminum gnomon (take heed, Patrick, since you're about to lose one) and a free floppy disk with all designs. Now, I have to tell you, when stepping stones first came out, I thought they were pretty cheesy. I've since seen some folks come up with very nice and very original designs. I like the sundial idea best of all.... still wouldn't make any... but, I'd = certainly consider buying one for my garden. For those of you who do the fairs, I think = this one would be a hot seller. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 22:26:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:09:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.18555.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Dani Greer, 105715,1412 TO: "Linda Letscher", INTERNET:andor@fair.net DATE: 12/5/98 6:59 PM RE: Copy of: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Hi Eljay- We often mix lead and foil... well, I shouldn't say often.... we do mostly lead work. But, when we do a copper foil panel, almost always the border is done in lead, just because lead makes for a crisper straight line and often the visual relief of a wider matrix is nice. And, yes, we cement the = window.... the cement makes a nice patina on the foiled areas, too. I usually mark the glass edges of the foiled pieces that will slide into the lead channel so I don't actually foil that edge. Does that make sense? A picture would be worth a thousand words here! Maybe another article for Common Ground, Albert, with = good photos? Good luck! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 22:34:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:21:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: you just have to see this... Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:29:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.172922.0> Precedence: bulk look what I got in my mail today. Life is good. but I just have to be a little less emotional...it made me cry. again! I have some very good friends. http://www.bluemountain.com/cards/box3785i/pbf3jfsbirkhun.htm Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 22:49:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:24:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:21:27 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec6.52127.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/4/98 9:46:41 PM Central Standard Time, ejr929@lvcm.com writes: << Why don't you people stop this ridiculous waste of time and energy, chatting about silliness that has absolutely nothing to do with the craft of stained glass?!?! The purpose of a list like this is to discuss SG issues, help each other out, and so forth. The nonsense that I've witnessed for the few days I've been on this site makes me wonder whether you really care about SG, or just want to spend your time with corny, inane chitchat. I hope this group gets back on track!!! >> Yall knew this was coming!!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 23:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:34:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Byron Wells" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:34:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.173458.0> Precedence: bulk In my dream studio I would have a skylight. I think they call them a "Sun Tunnel". It would give perfect sunlight and as an additional benefit you wouldn't need a light during the day. -----Original Message----- From: Byron Wells To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 11:15 PM Subject: Shop Ideas? >I'm in the process of drawing up plans for a new workshop for my glass >biz.... I've outgrown the 2 rooms in the house I now use... > >Are there any things I need to make room for that you have in your shop or >wish you had made room for?? > >Right now I only do panels for homebuilders and thier customers basicly and >since I take samples,photos,and a laptop right to the jobsites I have no >need for a 'customer area'....Basicly I'm looking at building a 20'x36' >building so I can have plenty of room to build multiple panels at once >instead of having to shuffle everything around like I do now in these small >rooms...Also will be having plenty of racks for glass (then maybe I'll >actually be able to find something around here) > >Any ideas would be appreciated... I do want to prewire for a future kiln and >such should I buy one in the future too.. >Thanks in advance! > >Byron... >Wells Glassworks > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 23:09:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:48:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Look out Tulsa Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:51:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.175158.0> Precedence: bulk Here I come. Priced, packed and ready.... Added it all up and ended up with a $1965.00 inventory. Not too bad ofr a 6 hour show? The problem is that half of that is in stones. Cant say I will be happy with anything and be honest at the same time. Have no idea what to expect... I feel good about what I am offering. Quality, value and reasonable prices. AND...some Suzanne originals! ;o) I am excited. Thank you so much, everyone for all the encouragement, and well wishes. I have recieved some really nice emails privately from many of you whom I had never met here before. I appreciate it all so much! My husband started asking me things like.... what if someone says regarding something priced at $45, "This is so pretty, would you take $40?" What would I say? I said. "Thank you, no" Then he said, well it is only $5...I said "yes, but it should have been $50." Then he started talking about marking down prices if things werent selling well... Sheeeeeeeeesssssshhhhhh... I said well...then "I will have the prettiest Christmas tree in town!!!" My prices are good. I am not marking them down. I was ready to have a knockout drag down with my husband. This isnt a garage sale. I reminded him if things dont sell tomorrow, they will another time...or I have some Christmas presents I was already going to have to make. Besides, I make what I like....so, some of the stuff I am *almost hoping dont sell...so I can keep em! (shhhh) ;o) You'll hear from me tomorrow night...hopefully after a dinner at Bellinni's, and a really good bottle of wine! Thinking positively Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 23:16:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:48:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:56:23 -0800 Message-ID: <199812060456.UAA02886@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >>Sure you can mix the two techniques. In fact, in the window you >describe mixing lead and foil seems like the best choice. > >When finishing the lead/foil window I recommend you putty the leaded >portion first and patina the foiled portion second. Actually, you won't need to patina the foiled portion at all. A little trick I learned from Dani Greer...use a natural bristle brush and the whiting from the putty process will patina the solder on the copper foil portion to the same lovely dark colour as the lead came. It'll look great C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 23:25:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, sglass1@hotmail.com Subject: scratched glass Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:31:44, -0500 Message-ID: <199812060531.AAA12404@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Soooo do all of you have to inspect every piece front and back (this piece had a blob of glass on the front also ) before purchasing ? or what?<< Of course you have to inspect your glass. Even a dealer that takes great care with storing glass will from time to time have scratches that are unacceptable. Straight out of the factory case glass may also be scratched. Hand select each piece of glass at the point of pruchase. If the glass is not clean then ask for cleaning supplies. This inspection will also allow you to get a good feel for the glass and perhaps select from an interesting area of the sheet. It is, perhaps, second only to a good cartoon for the overall success of the project. Also inspect your glass for scratches prior to cutting and immediately before leading up. Failure to do so will leave you with what you get. Storing glass verticaly helps to prevent scratching. Stacking glass is a no no because any movement between the sheets is likely to result in scratching. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net TO: YWAH36A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 23:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:22:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: advice again? ;o) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:27:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.182736.0> References: <<199812052002.UAA30296@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > This is just a terribly short and very inadequate comment. Suzanne in > Tulsa has taken off and is "flying", just the way I imagined she > would right from the start. > Good on you girl! > I see there is a better chance of seeing you next year in USA! > Saving up a lot of "goodie" lead ideas for the occasion! > > Roll on next August!! > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Thank you Elisabeth...and... You betcha!!! See ya there! ;o) I am sooo excited! and happy! Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 5 23:39:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:37:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copy of: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:44:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.184416.0> References: <<1998Dec5.18555.0>> Precedence: bulk > A picture would be worth > a thousand words here! Maybe another > article for Common Ground, Albert, with = > > good photos? I for one would like to read that one. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 00:26:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:28:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netrax.net!rejones From: Bob Jones To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 02:22:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.212224.0> References: <<199812022041.PAA14002@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk I just got back from a trip to Walt Disney World. There are glass mosaics in Cinderella's Castle that are incredible, in both size and color. If you get a chance, go see them. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 01:22:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:32:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Pat Kelly" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Perfect studio was: Shop Ideas? Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 02:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.213850.0> Precedence: bulk No sunlight for me... the perfect studio has North light (ours does now.) That way you have constant light all day, no changes with sunlight which wreaks all kinds of havoc with color. But, the perfect studio does have wonderfully high ceilings and lots of big windows. And hardwood floors... absolutely no wall-to-wall carpet. Oh, well maybe heated tiles would be okay. And, a = breezeway to the house so that when we're working 'til ghastly hours like now, I can run home and raid the 'fridge! ;-) Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios (in snowy Colorado!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 01:35:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:14:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Client Referral Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:11:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.16111.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi All, Commission work after the holidays may be available. I am searching for a glass artist who would design and install a small panel into a front entryway door. If you live in the Portland Oregon/Vancouver, Washington area please e-mail me off group. Thanks Pam -- ********************************* The Stained Glass Artists Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director: Advertising & Marketing Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 02:11:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:59:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bio #75 Donna Harris Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812060857.IAA22651@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Huh!? What?! ME!? Did you say S N A C K !!!? Grumphh!! Be there RIGHT away!! The worm in the tequila bottle gave me hiccups. I think I'll rather have a gnomon Snuffles to all (who is Ed?) Toby Dani wrote: > > Are you cheating again?? I could swear I've > read Donna Harris' bio before and not all > that long ago! Boy, some folks will do anything > to save their tutus! Toby..... here boy.... got a = > > little snack waiting for you......! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 02:41:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:59:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bad foil job Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812060856.IAA22642@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hey Dani, For a moment, I thought you were talking about Patrick..... ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK SNIP > Just cut out the bad section.... or, heck, > if it's not too bad, trim the fatter side > with an X-acto knife. Or stick another > piece over the skinny side and trim > to match. Use your imagination! Just > remember to get enough foil on each = > side ....SNIP ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 02:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:59:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812060856.IAA22647@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hhhhmmmm.... Glad I missed this one! (Toby is not!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Ah, here we go again. Another > lurker complaining because = > > we're not entertaining him properly! > As though we get paid for our time > and advice!! Hey, Ed, how about > contributing something besides > complaints!! > > Dani Greer > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 02:53:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 01:01:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: #75 How do you hide and elephant? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812060856.IAA22630@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk .....it's when they get inside the fridge that you should start to worry. Their foot-prints in the butter dish is rather unsightly..... E 'n T in UK Patrick wrote: > Hiding the elephant is not hard. Its trying to cover up the smell of peanuts > that's hard. > I once had an elephant in the living room .... but nobody would talk about > him) > > (Oh no, here we go again, another silly thread) > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 02:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 01:02:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Breaking Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812060856.IAA22639@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, I think I prefer Patrick's solution.... (very Irish!) place between 2 sheets of wood, drive car over it. Can't think of any disadvantage (except its Irish origin) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Lee Boe writes, in part: > >>I have a project right now that calls for frosted "Beach Glass" I > need > to break up 5-10 pounds of glass scrap into 1" to 2" inch pieces. I > have a friend (Lapidary) who has a big vibrating tumbler, and will > tumble it for me. How is the best (safest) way to crunch up a good > amount of glass? << > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 03:00:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 01:01:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: o/t was Re: In defense of GIZMOS Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812060856.IAA22627@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk That's why he needs a gnomon as a "prop". The question is, what happens when the stained glass tu-tu is too heavy and he has lost the gnomon??? E 'n T in UK The leg-less, gnomon-less Irishman wrote: > The Prima Ballerina never ..... never has a partner. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 03:11:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 01:10:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 04:15:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199812060907.EAA15770@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > A picture would be worth > a thousand words here! Maybe another > article for Common Ground, Albert, with > good photos? Makes sense to me. -- Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 03:13:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 02:00:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, byronw@eatumup.com Subject: Shop Ideas? Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 04:37:50, -0500 Message-ID: <199812060937.EAA06406@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I'm in the process of drawing up plans for a new workshop for my glass biz.... I've outgrown the 2 rooms in the house I now use... Are there any things I need to make room for that you have in your shop or wish you had made room for??<< One or MORE wall mounted variable speed loovered exhaust fans will do much to remove dust and fumes from your studio. A through the wall fan taking a suction on the area you do most of your soldering and puttying is the idea. Another one on the wall behind the kiln will make your summers more pleasent. One behind the bench where you spray and sand your kiln wash is not a bad idea either. Try to plan in a couple at least. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 04:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 03:40:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: sea glass Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 06:21:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.222128.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Delphi on page 98 of their catalog is advertising "sea glass". It's also sold in gift stores where I live, but isn't really realistic; it looks too much like stained glass that has been put in a tumbler. Delphi's seems to be more realistic. Or you can go to the New Jersey coast and probably other parts of the coast and beachcomb for your own like I did. I'd recommend Delphi though, a lot quicker that way. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 05:07:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 03:41:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Dani Greer , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio #75 Donna Harris Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 06:30:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec5.223050.0> References: <<1998Dec5.154712.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I have to second Dani, that is a familiar bio, at least one to two weeks old. For shame Patrick, just so Toby will leave you alone for awhile until he can confirm our allegations of "repeat bios" just to keep your legs intact or is it leg? Also - non glass Ed - a little levity never hurt a list. This is a nerve-wracking time for a lot of us, trying to complete projects by a certain date and hating to turn down some commissions because there is no time for them. So, a little silliness lightens things up for a bit. JMHO Carol T Dani Greer wrote: > Patrick! > > Are you cheating again?? I could swear I've > read Donna Harris' bio before and not all > that long ago! Boy, some folks will do anything > to save their tutus! Toby..... here boy.... got a = > > little snack waiting for you......! > > Best, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > www.igga.org/greer/ = > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 07:34:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 06:56:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: "Barking" the edges of glass panels Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:58:34 -0500 Message-ID: <19981206145412.FNJB4525@vic> Precedence: bulk I picked up an order of 1/2 & 3/4 inch glass from the glaziers this weekend to carve for use in my home. When I ordered the glass I asked that one of the panels be polished on only one long side (3') and up 18" of the two short sides (2'). My reason for this was that I want to "Bark" or chip the top and 6+/-" of the sides for effect. I was told that polished edges could not be chipped, with no explanation as to why. My questions: A. Is this true? B. If so, why? C. Is it possible to get them to a point where I can chip them? I have diamond coated sponges five that go from 50 to 400 grit that I can use in reverse to rough them up. D. I have some old brick and/or stone hammers. Can these be used for chipping or should I buy another GIZMO and get a Valle de Verre hammer? TIA Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 07:52:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 06:40:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Molly Keys" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Aggies Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:36:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.43632.0> Precedence: bulk geez..i though aggies were marbles. guess it depends where you grew up. my best, pj -----Original Message----- From: Molly Keys To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 10:32 PM Subject: Aggies >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE2088.E1C55680 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I just couldn't resist sharing this with you'all. I know there have to = >be a few fellow Aggies out there in "Bungi Land". > >How 'bout them Aggies! Whoop! Whoop! > >For those who don't know what I'm talking about, it's football! > >Couldn't resist. >Gig'em >Molly Keys > >------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE2088.E1C55680 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
I just couldn't resist sharing this = >with=20 >you'all.  I know there have to be a few fellow Aggies out there in=20 >"Bungi Land".
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> >------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE2088.E1C55680-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 08:51:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:07:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hal-pc.org!kkelly From: "Kathryn C. Kelly" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 10:05:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.4529.0> Organization: Houston Area League of PC Users Precedence: bulk Aggies are OK (Texas A&M University) ------- but T Sippers (University of Texas at Austin) are better! Speaking of UT, can anyone suggest a good source for glass which is the color of burnt orange? Too many shades have too much yellow. Kathryn PS. I have been accused of bleeding burnt orange! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 09:21:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 07:53:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JKSinrod From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: seaspray@mail.island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:41:46 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec6.154146.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/6/98 2:16:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, seaspray@mail.island.net writes: << Subj: Re: Mixing copper foil in a lead project? Date: 12/6/98 2:16:57 AM Eastern Standard Time From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com >>Sure you can mix the two techniques. In fact, in the window you >describe mixing lead and foil seems like the best choice. > >When finishing the lead/foil window I recommend you putty the leaded >portion first and patina the foiled portion second. Actually, you won't need to patina the foiled portion at all. A little trick I learned from Dani Greer...use a natural bristle brush and the whiting from the putty process will patina the solder on the copper foil portion to the same lovely dark colour as the lead came. It'll look great C. Carol Swann >> Actually Carol it's not the whiting, but the natural bristles that do it to any lead. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 09:50:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:54:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: "Barking" the edges of glass panels Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:53:12 -0800 Message-ID: <199812061653.IAA15961@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >I picked up an order of 1/2 & 3/4 inch glass from the glaziers this weekend >to carve for use in my home. When I ordered the glass I asked that one of >the panels be polished on only one long side (3') and up 18" of the two >short sides (2'). My reason for this was that I want to "Bark" or chip the >top and 6+/-" of the sides for effect. I was told that polished edges >could not be chipped, with no explanation as to why. > >My questions: > >A. Is this true? Depends on whether you're using a German Shepherd or a chihuahua. The chihuahua's high piercing bark is good for crystalline glass, while the German Shepherd's deep resonating bark will break the edges of any piece, no matter how thick. I know Toby can usually be contracted for this type of work, however I believe he's currently frothing at the mouth from missing so many emails. I'm unsure what size of glass he specializes in though. Carol (Sorry Vic...left yourself wide open on that one...and I just finished my open house last night...last show of the season done...yippee...time for a little hilarity...either that or I ate the worm when I took that last slug of tequila) Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 10:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:54:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bio #75 Donna Harris Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:53:07 -0800 Message-ID: <199812061653.IAA15945@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Donna Sounds like you've done some interesting work and you do it on your terms in a way that is satisfying, rather than draining to you. Congratulations. So despite some of the rather intriguing suggestions for hiding elephants that have been presented so far on bungi (in the fridge E? how big is your fridge?), here's one that might have a little taste of what you're looking for. You might want to get hold of some of Bev Doolittle's work and have a look at that. She's absolutely masterful at hiding animal faces (and sometimes humans) in her work. I have absolutely no idea how one would replicate this work in glass though. For instance, look at one of her rocks long enough and it becomes a native elder or a grizzly. Good luck C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 10:39:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:43:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.74042.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Kathryn C. Kelly" >Speaking of UT, can anyone suggest a good source for glass which is the color of burnt orange? Too many shades have too much yellow.< I think Armstrong has a very strong burnt orange that will be just right for the UT stuff. Christie A. Wood (formerly from Dallas) Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 11:00:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:45:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 10:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.55757.0> References: <<1998Dec5.143737.0>> Precedence: bulk Byron Wells wrote: > I'm in the process of drawing up plans for a new workshop for my glass > biz.... I've outgrown the 2 rooms in the house I now use... > > Are there any things I need to make room for that you have in your shop or > wish you had made room for?? > I usually have several projects going at once ( do smaller items, generally less than a foot square), and keep them separated on styrofoam trays (saved from lunch at work). I never have enough room to stack those trays! Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 11:08:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:55:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:45:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec6.174547.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-12-06 03:26:52 EST, rejones@netrax.net writes: << I just got back from a trip to Walt Disney World. There are glass mosaics in Cinderella's Castle that are incredible, in both size and color. If you get a chance, go see them. Bob >> Yes, it's wonderful . I have photos of it. Dianne Happy Holidays From FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 11:28:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:00:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: Byron Wells , "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Shop Ideas? Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 11:59:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.55913.0> Precedence: bulk Sky lights. Living in Minnesota where the sun hardly ever shines = November to March, I am thankful that I had skylights , two of them, put = in my studio/shop. They are however on the North-east part of the roof. = Have had no problems with them leaking or snow build up at all. Sue Reitmann ---------- From: Pat Kelly[SMTP:pkelly@n-link.com] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 1998 11:34 PM To: Byron Wells; glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? In my dream studio I would have a skylight. I think they call them a = "Sun Tunnel". It would give perfect sunlight and as an additional benefit you wouldn't need a light during the day. -----Original Message----- From: Byron Wells To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 11:15 PM Subject: Shop Ideas? >I'm in the process of drawing up plans for a new workshop for my glass >biz.... I've outgrown the 2 rooms in the house I now use... > >Are there any things I need to make room for that you have in your shop = or >wish you had made room for?? > >Right now I only do panels for homebuilders and thier customers basicly = and >since I take samples,photos,and a laptop right to the jobsites I have = no >need for a 'customer area'....Basicly I'm looking at building a 20'x36' >building so I can have plenty of room to build multiple panels at once >instead of having to shuffle everything around like I do now in these = small >rooms...Also will be having plenty of racks for glass (then maybe I'll >actually be able to find something around here) > >Any ideas would be appreciated... I do want to prewire for a future = kiln and >such should I buy one in the future too.. >Thanks in advance! > >Byron... >Wells Glassworks > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 11:41:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Shop Ideas? Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:40:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.74036.0> Precedence: bulk Man, I wish I had planned for more large-sheet glass storage areas. Safe ones! Friday afternoon I spent 4 hours at the emergency room of our local hospital nursing my husband, who managed to very nicely slice his index finger left hand while walking past one of my large sheets of glass. Three stiches. Not good since he's a cellist, and had a solo with an orchestra that night. So....SAFE storage for large pieces of glass is a requirement, not just for you, but for anyone who walks into your store. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 12:11:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Byron Wells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 10:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.55124.0> References: <<1998Dec5.143737.0>> Precedence: bulk Byron Wells wrote: > > I'm in the process of drawing up plans for a new workshop for my glass > biz.... I've outgrown the 2 rooms in the house I now use... > > Are there any things I need to make room for that you have in your shop or > wish you had made room for?? > > Right now I only do panels for homebuilders and thier customers basicly and > since I take samples,photos,and a laptop right to the jobsites I have no > need for a 'customer area'....Basicly I'm looking at building a 20'x36' > building so I can have plenty of room to build multiple panels at once > instead of having to shuffle everything around like I do now in these small > rooms...Also will be having plenty of racks for glass (then maybe I'll > actually be able to find something around here) > > Any ideas would be appreciated... I do want to prewire for a future kiln and > such should I buy one in the future too.. > Thanks in advance! > > Byron... > Wells Glassworks > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass about a year ago we discussed this subject pretty well. though here are a few other ideas. 1. be sure to have at least one sink, for general washing. 2. if it's a seperate building from the house, a toilet might be a good idea. 3. be sure to run lot's of eletrical lines (outlets and such). maybe a few hanging from the ceilng would help in the future. 4. run air lines throughout the shop, even if you don't have an air compressor now. if you don't have one, get one. it's just so darned useful, it's great to use it for dusting off a bench, floor, etc. 5. maybe central vaccuming, that's kind of fancy though. 6. roll away glass carts. 7. roll away benches, a large bench with wheels to move it where you like it. it can be stored up against the wall. 8. a large flat sink to wash off the windows. 9. lot's of windows to add extra daylight. maybe even an area to hold your glass in front of the window. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 12:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Toby is back! Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:35:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.63539.0> Precedence: bulk Oh no, my nemesis is again online. I told you see would deluge the list, and she has been drinking again. I hope when she comes to W-C she sobers up, if its one thing I don't care for is impressionist stained glass. BTW when is she coming? I have to make arrangements (to be out of the country of course). This country is not big enough for both of us pilgrim. New subject: Aluminum gnomon, That's a great idea! Next Subject: Bios, bios, bios, etc. I need bios. I have nagged and nagged now I am pleading. Please. It's a terrible thing to see a bald headed, hairless legged, damaged gnomon, prima ballerina on his knees. Next Subject: Went to see Molly Key's work on Friday. Just one word - WOW!. 3D flowers look sooo real. Got to go cut some fingers .... oh I mean glass. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 12:42:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:36:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.74040.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Bob Jones >There are glass mosaics in Cinderella's Castle that are incredible, in both size and color. If you get a chance, go see them.< Yes, I saw them when I was last down there (2 years ago). You have to go inside the center opening in the Castle. It's incredible the amount of detail in there! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 13:44:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:36:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Orange glass was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:15:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.10150.0> Precedence: bulk I guess we should find out if Kathryn is looking for an opal or cathedral. For = Colorado landscapes, we sometimes use Bullseye salmon pink and then modify the color with the deep flesh-tone and brown kiln-fired paints. It yields a = very nice result, but it's a problem if you don't have a kiln. I haven't had any luck at all modifying glass using frits and powders.... maybe I'm doing something way wrong, but the results are completely insipid. I know other folks have had good luck with that approach, so maybe they can comment. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 14:15:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:36:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Kathryn C. Kelly" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:15:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.10155.0> Precedence: bulk The best burnt orange was Desag SA, which isn't being manufactured anymore. Lamberts has some cathedrals, too (#2086), = but this color is hard to come by. You might try a medium amber from Spectrum which costs a lot less. It's true, manufacturers don't make the colors they used to - subtlety is not a valid concept these days. Try to find a really good range of cobalts sometime! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 14:24:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:07:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Vic" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: "Barking" the edges of glass panels Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:15:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.10159.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Vic- Get a dalle de Verre knapping hammer - hooray another gizmo! -- in this case, the proper tool will probably give you a better result. (Michael says, you'll get a greater degree of control than with a stone hammer.) I don't know why you couldn't knap a polished edge - maybe when you said "chip" the person thought you meant glue-chipping (?) Beats me. = Just curious, how much do you pay for polishing out your way? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 15:29:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:52:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: "Barking" the edges of glass panels Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:54:56 -0500 Message-ID: <19981206225044.MAJZ4525@vic> Precedence: bulk Carol: No problem, I was laughing to myself as I typed the Subject line and thought of the possible interpretations.. You will love my next query. It will be about "streaky" glass. Ciao Vic ---------- > From: Carol Swann > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: "Barking" the edges of glass panels > Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 11:53 AM > > >I picked up an order of 1/2 & 3/4 inch glass from the glaziers this weekend > >to carve for use in my home. When I ordered the glass I asked that one of > >the panels be polished on only one long side (3') and up 18" of the two > >short sides (2'). My reason for this was that I want to "Bark" or chip the > >top and 6+/-" of the sides for effect. I was told that polished edges > >could not be chipped, with no explanation as to why. > > > >My questions: > > > >A. Is this true? > > Depends on whether you're using a German Shepherd or a chihuahua. The > chihuahua's high piercing bark is good for crystalline glass, while the > German Shepherd's deep resonating bark will break the edges of any piece, no > matter how thick. > > I know Toby can usually be contracted for this type of work, however I > believe he's currently frothing at the mouth from missing so many emails. > I'm unsure what size of glass he specializes in though. > > Carol > > (Sorry Vic...left yourself wide open on that one...and I just finished my > open house last night...last show of the season done...yippee...time for a > little hilarity...either that or I ate the worm when I took that last slug > of tequila) > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 16:29:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: "Barking" the edges of glass panels Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:43:39 -0500 Message-ID: <19981206233942.EXLQ588@vic> Precedence: bulk Dani: Thank you for your response to my call for HELP! I will buy the dalle de Verre "knapping" hammer. Nothing like having the right tool to do a job. Gizmo? What's a Gizmo? I don't have the invoice in front of me but I believe the polishing came to $.80 a running foot for the 1/2 inch glass. The glass itself was $15.00/SF. How does this compare? I have not shopped these prices. The Guy I deal with has a young family and seems to be struggling and I want to see them do better. Ciao Vic ---------- From: Dani Greer To: Vic Cc: all Subject: "Barking" the edges of glass panels Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 3:15 PM Hi Vic- Get a dalle de Verre knapping hammer - hooray another gizmo! -- in this case, the proper tool will probably give you a better result. (Michael says, you'll get a greater degree of control than with a stone hammer.) I don't know why you couldn't knap a polished edge - maybe when you said "chip" the person thought you meant glue-chipping (?) Beats me. Just curious, how much do you pay for polishing out your way? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---------- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 17:04:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:05:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: inane chatter Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:03:15 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.0315.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/5/98 3:47:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: << Oh, well. Most of life's off topic, so why not part of the bungi chat? >> I guess the why not is that over time, the board begins to change and the off topic items tend to eclipse the the glass items. Like every thing else, I suppose its a balance. Couple of years ago, glass @bungi was so bad with the flaming and off topic stuff, I turned it off. It was like the great glass tips and advice had disappeared into the noise. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 18:15:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 17:09:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, vlg@worldnet.att.net Subject: "Barking" the edges of glass panels Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:30:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199812070030.TAA07002@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Vic, You can chip the edge of a piece of glass rather it be ground smooth or fresh cut. Does not seem to make any difference. My chipping hammer is only about 6 ounces and has a blunt chisel carbide tip. For casual use a tool steel tip kept sharpened should work just as well. You might be able to get away with using a 1/2" wide cold chisel and an ordinary hammer. It doesn't take much of a blow. Wear safety glasses and be careful because the shards are sharper than anything Gillette ever sold. Take a few minutes to practice and develop your technique. I do not chip often and always take a few minutes to practice. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 19:17:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:54:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:56:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.155655.0> References: <<1998Dec6.74036.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Here is a site with the Tubular skylights, lets in defused light, not a blinding glare. Some have a 45 degree bend and mirror, to bring it from one side of a building to another. Not affiliated in any way with them, just think it is a great idea. http://www.tubular-skylight.com/home2.htm Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Back to cleaning up the studio, so I can work more. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 20:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:53:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Bob Jones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:02:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.1620.0> References: <<1998Dec5.212224.0>> Precedence: bulk > I just got back from a trip to Walt Disney World. > > There are glass mosaics in Cinderella's Castle that are incredible, in both > size and color. If you get a chance, go see them. > > Bob > > I spent a week there this week last year, Bob. Although we spent most of our time in epcot we did spend some time in the Magic Kingdom...and man...you arent kidding about those mosaics. I spent a fair amount of time there...contimplating the difficulty of the work and the size. I could only imagine how many times a person would have to stand way back to look at their work. Very impressive. My other favorite part of the trip was seeing Louis Gossett Jr tell the story of Christmas with a 50 peice orchestra and forgot how many hundred voice choir. Emotional as I am, I found myself moved to tears more than once. So embarrassing to be so emotional! ;o) Anyway...that man has such an amazing voice. My sister got the tickets as a surprise to me very early on (as she knew how I would love it) and we got very very good seats. (Just behind Mr Gosset's family!) Also got me the CD of the performance. ;o) Was a memorable night for me. Suzanne Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 20:39:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:37:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Studio Beveler Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:27:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.32753.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bryon, I think that it all depends on what you are going to use the bevel machine for. I actually have not used a Gemstone bevel machine, but I am sure that for doing small jobs such as cut offs that it would probably work fine, where you might run into problems is when you try to do long straight lines that is where most of the smaller machines can be frustrating but I believe that with enough patience and practice one can master anything.They have a class on these bevelers at the show in Vegas, perhaps it would be worth it to go try one first hand with someone there who could show you and answer all of your questions. Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 21:34:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:53:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: pkelly@n-link.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Toby is back! Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:48:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.44839.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/6/98 2:40:44 PM Central Standard Time, pkelly@n-link.com writes: << Next Subject: Went to see Molly Key's work on Friday. Just one word - WOW!. 3D flowers look sooo real. >> yes.....please send. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 21:52:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:55:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hot dogs for supper! Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 23:05:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.17517.0> Precedence: bulk Again! ;o) In other words, not the wonderful Italian dinner I had fantasies of yesterday! The show was disapointing to everyone. Yesterday was a gorgeous sunny and warm day. Today started very similarly, but started a downpour about 20 minutes before the show opened. Oh joy. I felt very good about both my work and display. The work of the past 13 days or so did not pay off financially today (which we really could have used) but I think some work will come of it. Lots of people showed alot of interest in *my original* work. This was very pleasing. Alot of people showed interest and asked good questions and took cards and flyers. Some just took cards. About 5 told me they would get in touch with me after Christmas. One woman showed more interest than anyone, and had more than a limited knowledge of stained glass work, and is interested in my making a pretty stone for her 2 month old baby girls' grave. I have cried over that one more than once today! See why I want to stay out of social work? Anyway...she and I exchanged email addresses...she is going home to Texas...and I will send her pictures of ideas...she is interested in a small lamb or cherub type angel. I told her I would get some ideas to her soon...and promised I could do something appropriate and make it very reasonable. (I will do it cheap for her) I was surprised that most interest was shown in my stones. They are pretty...but didnt expect the interest (even without a sale) I was not expected to sell one as so many recently have said they havent sold a stone at their most recent shows. I figure they will sell much better come spring and gardening season. One elderly woman, stated she wanted a stained glass window put into her bathroom... I wont worry about that one unless I hear from her again...**then refer her elswhere! ;o) (I am not remotely qualified for an installation) I did make back my booth fee and a bit more...but cost in prep for the show far exceed any brought in by the show. I had several people tell me that they make stained glass stones, but not a pretty as mine...and asked for advice. Asked lots of questions about concrete. Two women from the school said they have a big project they are working on for the grounds and are interested in dicussing with me the possibility of my doing something decorative with stained glass and concrete in the middle of it to brighten it all up. Could be a good thing...Got different messages from each woman....(they need to talk amongst themselves awhile). Gave them some names of some people that can help them with the other part of the project (including Seattles Pikes Place Market, who did a similar fund raising project about 14 yrs ago) Well...sorry to turn into a book...the show was not really good, but not really bad....time will tell whether the exposure did any good or not! ;o) Kind of wish for my husbands' sake I had had better sales... Think he was really expecting more, as was I. I really expected to sell all of my ornaments. My snowman ornaments were a hit. People really liked them. There was one guy there with hot glass...(beautiful work) said it was an awful show for him today. I dont think anyone sold much...and there was very little traffic. Way too few people showed. Not too disapointed, but damn the weather. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 22:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:58:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: jewlery Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:57:55 PST Message-ID: <199812070457.UAA12502@f282.hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anyone out there have the name of a jewelry supply catalog, I need to make some stuff to make pieces for a small show that I'm doing for mother's day. Any help that you folks could give me would be appreciated, thanks. Kathy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 22:43:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:14:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hot dogs for supper! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 00:21:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.182134.0> References: <<1998Dec6.17517.0>> Precedence: bulk Oh yes...and I sold the same angel several times, and *I* still have it! ;o) Guess I will deliver it to my *friend that paid for it first tomorrow! Another friend came, bought 5 of my $10 ornaments, and the same angel! ;o) Thank God for friends who come to see you at your first show! ;o) Kathy and Diane paid for my booth fee, and the hotdogs! Guess I owe em one, eh? Maybe I should baby sit for Kathy to go out for Italian! My advice to anyone doing their first show? Do one close to home so you can send your husband to go buy more garland/lights/table/ etc. And...invite all your friends to come see you there! ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 6 23:42:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:33:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Kathy Mather" , "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: jewlery Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:28:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec6.202846.0> Precedence: bulk Kathy, try this site. www.firemountaingems.com/ They sell just about everything jewelry related. Karen >Hi all, > Does anyone out there have the name of a jewelry supply catalog, I >need to make some stuff to make pieces for a small show that I'm doing >for mother's day. Any help that you folks could give me would be >appreciated, thanks. > Kathy > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 00:01:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:45:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, katmath@hotmail.com Subject: jewlery Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:20:51, -0500 Message-ID: <199812070620.BAA14488@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Does anyone out there have the name of a jewelry supply catalog, I need to make some stuff to make pieces for a small show that I'm doing for mother's day. Any help that you folks could give me would be appreciated, thanks. Kathy << One good source of jems, findings and tools is: http://www. riogrande.com You can register there to receive their three free catalogs. They are in NM and have served me well. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 06:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 05:13:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Kathy Mather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: jewlery Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:18:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.11850.0> References: <<1998Dec6.202846.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi KAthy. Yesterday the gal at the next booth and I were talking suppliers and costs etc...she mentioned a supplier I hadnt heard of before. She said she has used Rio Grande some but these other peoples'prices were lower...I cant remember the name. BUT. We traded cards. I will call her this morning after I get Emily to school and ask her the name again. Let you know what I find out soon. Seems like it was something like Coty? OR Cody? Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 07:06:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 05:58:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.35744.0> References: <<1998Dec6.4529.0>> Precedence: bulk Kathryn C. Kelly wrote: > Speaking of UT, can anyone suggest a good source for glass which is the > color of burnt orange? Too many shades have too much yellow. > > Kathryn > Yeah, I've had a hard time finding a good cat color in orange.... (Kathryn, my sister graduated from UT Austin. What a lovely campus and city!) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 07:35:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:15:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.41517.0> References: <<1998Dec6.1620.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > > I just got back from a trip to Walt Disney World. > > > > There are glass mosaics in Cinderella's Castle that are incredible, in both > > size and color. If you get a chance, go see them. > > > > Bob > > > > > > I spent a week there this week last year, Bob. Although we spent most > of our time in epcot we did spend some time in the Magic Kingdom...and > man...you arent kidding about those mosaics. > I spent a fair amount of time there...contimplating the difficulty of > the work and the size. I could only imagine how many times a person > would have to stand way back to look at their work. Very impressive. > My other favorite part of the trip was seeing Louis Gossett Jr tell the > story of Christmas with a 50 peice orchestra and forgot how many hundred > voice choir. Emotional as I am, I found myself moved to tears more than > once. So embarrassing to be so emotional! ;o) Anyway...that man has > such an amazing voice. My sister got the tickets as a surprise to me > very early on (as she knew how I would love it) and we got very very > good seats. (Just behind Mr Gosset's family!) Also got me the CD of the > performance. ;o) Was a memorable night for me. > > Suzanne > > Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the way i imagined how i would make something large, or photographic like is this: i would make it up on the computer, then enlarge it and somehow print it. maybe even allow it to pixalize a little. the photo/printed section would be glue in place, or traced onto the wall, and i'd go by that... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 07:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:18:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Kathy Mather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: jewlery Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:17:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.41752.0> References: <<199812070457.UAA12502@f282.hotmail.com>> Precedence: bulk Kathy Mather wrote: > > Hi all, > Does anyone out there have the name of a jewelry supply catalog, I > need to make some stuff to make pieces for a small show that I'm doing > for mother's day. Any help that you folks could give me would be > appreciated, thanks. > Kathy > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass http://www.riogrande.com/ is the biggest one i know of, just be sure to mention which catalog you want, tools, jewels, or displays. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 08:49:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:11:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non glass, but I could use some was: Tequila, was Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:09:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.15956.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/4/98 12:34:32 PM, shyguy@vdot.net wrote: >and more: >Q. Why is there a worm in a tequila bottle? >A. There isn't! There is no worm in tequila. Repeat, there is no >worm in tequila. The worm is found, quite dead and pickled, only >in mezcal. Hmmmmmmmm........ That doesn't explain the bottle of "Tequila con guzano" that a couple of my college buddies once brought back from a day trip across the border. It was definitely labeled tequila, and there sure enough was a dead critter in the bottom of the bottle! I still think I'll stick to good old vino. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 09:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:11:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Re: Tequila, was Re: Introduction & Foiler Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:10:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.15100.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/4/98 9:37:26 PM, wickline@i2020.net wrote: >El hombre que tom=F3 la =FAltima bebida tiene que comer el >gusano. Is that what you needed? No, I couldn't remember how to say "Sparks." Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 09:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:11:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: my show **and inane chatter Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:09:54 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.15954.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/5/98 1:58:33 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Ok Howard...using those big words again, what's "tref"? Non-Kosher. Often spelled "trayf." Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 09:50:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:13:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: o/t was Re: In defense of GIZMOS Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:09:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.15958.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/4/98 7:15:09 PM, pkelly@n-link.com wrote: >The Prima Ballerina never ..... never has a partner. HAH!!!!!! I'd like to see you lift yourself in the air in one of those spectacular pas de deux's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sparks, grand jete'ing outta here before the Prima Ballerina sicks "le chien lunatique" on my gnomon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 10:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:09:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Aggies Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:07:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.1671.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/6/98 10:53:16 AM, artglass@waterw.com wrote: >geez..i though aggies were marbles. guess it depends where you grew up. > >my best, >pj OK, so the Aggies got lucky...... They just better not try taking on the Steelies (oops, I mean Steelers)! Sorry, couldn't resist......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 10:18:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:10:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: RE: #75 How do you hide and elephant? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:06:59 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.16659.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach our resident Prima Ballerina, pkelly@n-link.com: >Hiding the elephant is not hard. Its trying to cover up the smell of peanuts >that's hard. That's easy. Just set out a couple of bowls of mixed nuts, like you would for a party, then people will think nothing of the peanut smell. Now, covering up the smell of the *result* of the elephant's eating the peanuts, *that's* hard! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 10:38:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:10:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: Tequila/Mezcal Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:07:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.1673.0> Precedence: bulk A long time ago in a galaxy far away, grannyandpawpaw@tricountyi.net wrote: >Poor Ed.....Guess someone else ate his worm...or something > >Arnold I'm not goin' there ----------- oops, looks like I just did ;-) Honi soit qui mal y pense...... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 10:41:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:39:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tripos.com!rammann From: Rachel Ammann To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Orange glass was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:26:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.42632.0> References: <<1998Dec6.10150.0>> Organization: Tripos, Inc. Precedence: bulk Can you please give more info about your lack of success with frits & powders? - What brand glass - spectrum, bullseye, fusible/non fusible? - What brand frits/powders? - How did you apply them? - How did you fuse them? - What was the problem? Frits did not stick? Looked granular? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 11:01:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:39:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:34:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199812071625.LAA26114@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > From: "M. Savad" > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Walt Disney World > Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:15:17 -0500 > Suzanne wrote: > > > > > I just got back from a trip to Walt Disney World. > > > > > > There are glass mosaics in Cinderella's Castle that are incredible, in both > > > size and color. If you get a chance, go see them. > > > > > > Bob > > > > the way i imagined how i would make something large, or photographic > like is this: i would make it up on the computer, then enlarge it and > somehow print it. maybe even allow it to pixalize a little. Of course, anything generated from a computer image is going to be pixilated. The more you enlarge it, the larger the pixels will be, although their size could be smaller or larger depending on the resolution of the image. It'd be an interesting approach to mosaic. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 11:08:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:13:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Breaking Glass Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:06:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec7.16658.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/5/98 12:16:43 PM, leestat7@home.com wrote: >I have a project right now that calls for frosted "Beach Glass" I need >to break up 5-10 pounds of glass scrap into 1" to 2" inch pieces. [...] >I don't have a sledge hammer, and don't really want to 'crush' it >, just get it into smaller pieces. A brick or good-sized rock works just fine....... sometimes low-tech is what's called for! Sparks whose family knows that anyone who dares touch the assortment of rocks and bricks next to the back door of the garage is TOAST - those are some of my tools, durn burn it! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 11:14:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:18:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: jewelry Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:27:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.4270.0> Precedence: bulk Found the website for Bally Bead Company http://www.ballybead.com/ -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 11:26:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:17:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Jim Gonzalez Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bad foil job Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:15:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec7.11525.0> References: <<1998Dec5.52335.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Jim: The question of whether to patch a foiled section or re-do it depends. If the section with the bad foil is on the inside (you will be soldering it against another piece) go ahead and patch. If the section to be resoldered is on the outside and will show, be sure the foil starts and stops so it is on the inside and will be soldered with another piece. The reason for this is that solder will not cover the seam where you try to join it. If this is on the outside, it will show. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 11:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:07:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!wernecke From: Steve Wernecke To: chrisg@kos.net (Chris Gundersen), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Math quiz? Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:02:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981207100212.00dd5e80@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <> Precedence: bulk At 08:58 AM 12/5/98 -0800, Chris Gundersen wrote: >Had a small problem that I'm sure someone with math skills could assist me with. >I want to build a lampshade with x number of sides and know the diameter at >the top and bottom. How can I calculate the angle that I must cut all the >sides so that everything will line up properly. I hate to make cutouts of >cardboard when I know this is the computer age. >Thanks Chris > Trick question...to figure out the angle, you need to know the panel's height, too. What you can determine easily is the approximate length of the top and bottom edges of each panel. Here goes... Figure out the circumference (length around a circle) of the top and bottom openings by multiplying their diameters by everyone's favorite Greek letter pi, which is 3.14 plus change. Then divide the top circumference by the number of panels to get the length of the top edge. Do a similar division to get the length of the bottom edge. You can then draw a trapezoidal template of whatever height you like. Just make sure you center the top edge horizontally over the bottom edge. If you *really* need to figure out angles, the angle between the bottom edge and a side is angle = arctangent (2 * h / (b - t)) where h is the panel height, b is the length of the bottom edge and t is the length of the top edge. The angle between the top edge and a side is 180 degrees minus the angle you just calculated. Let me know privately if you need to be really precise. I would hate to interrupt the tequilla thread with a bunch of equations ;-) The approximation gets better as the number of sides increases, that is, as the shade gets closer and closer to being circular. For an 8-sided shade, for example, this approximation overestimates top and bottom edge lengths by about 3%. Also, as the diameters get larger you can safely ignore the distinction between inside and outside diameter arising from glass thickness. Bonus round...who has a formula for the height of the shade given the panel height and the information Chris provided??? Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 12:53:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Husband's OK, thanks Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.93721.0> Precedence: bulk My finger-sliced husband is OK. Three stiches come out next Monday. He was unable to play at the Friday night concert (he's principal cellist), but the 2nd cellist filled in and did a wonderful job. Saved the concert. Now I have to wash George's hair every day. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 13:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:40:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:37:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.93718.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dani Greer >The best burnt orange was Desag SA, which isn't being manufactured anymore. Lamberts has some cathedrals, too (#2086), = but this color is hard to come by< I think I have a quarter sheet of one of these. Actually, it looks like orange flashed onto clear. I got it from a friend who doesn't know anything about glass. I really haven't found a use for orange/clear flash glass, so am just keeping it around. Anyone have any ideas? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 13:46:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:01:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sorry Ed! Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:53:31 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.195331.0> Precedence: bulk Dear All Many years ago when, I was a little boy, my American father (also an Ed!) used to recite to me the poem that starts 'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house Not a creature was stirring - not even a mouse' I'm sorry to say that I can't remember any more than that. It was quite magical to me, very much part of Christmas and a very dear memory of him. Now that I have a grandson I would like him to share that memory. So maybe someone out there in Bungi Land be very kind and jot down the rest for me? Fax or snail mail if that's easier. I would be eternally grateful. Brian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 14:11:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:06:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tripos.com!rammann From: Rachel Ammann To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Breaking Glass Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:53:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.75351.0> References: <<1998Dec7.16658.0>> Organization: Tripos, Inc. Precedence: bulk Randomly broken pieces (using sledge, hammer, go over with car wheel etc.) will be randomly sized. You cannot really control size this way. Make sure your pieces are not too small to begin with since they will only get smaller. Be careful not to contaminate the glass when breaking. There's all sorts of metal particles (solder, lead) that can scratch the glass if they get into the tumbler. Clean off the glass before breaking. If you do the breaking in a bucket, clean the bucket first. If you put pieces into a bag, be careful, the bag will surely tear (at least a little). Small pieces will "disappear" in a tumbler. That is, they get ground up into dust. Generally, it is good to have some small pieces in the tumbler. They help get into the nooks and crannies along other pieces' edges. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 15:02:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:58:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Hot dogs for supper! Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.6337.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, Keep the faith....Good things will come from your effort...You just took the first step in building your reputation as a careing and talented artist. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 1:02 AM Subject: Hot dogs for supper! >Again! ;o) In other words, not the wonderful Italian dinner I had >fantasies of yesterday! > >The show was disapointing to everyone. Yesterday was a gorgeous sunny >and warm day. Today started very similarly, but started a downpour >about 20 minutes before the show opened. Oh joy. > > I felt very good about both my work and display. The work of the past >13 days or so did not pay off financially today (which we really could >have used) but I think some work will come of it. Lots of people showed >alot of interest in *my original* work. This was very pleasing. Alot >of people showed interest and asked good questions and took cards and >flyers. Some just took cards. About 5 told me they would get in touch >with me after Christmas. > >One woman showed more interest than anyone, and had more than a limited >knowledge of stained glass work, and is interested in my making a pretty >stone for her 2 month old baby girls' grave. I have cried over that one >more than once today! See why I want to stay out of social work? > >Anyway...she and I exchanged email addresses...she is going home to >Texas...and I will send her pictures of ideas...she is interested in >a small lamb or cherub type angel. I told her I would get some ideas to >her soon...and promised I could do something appropriate and make it >very reasonable. (I will do it cheap for her) > >I was surprised that most interest was shown in my stones. They are >pretty...but didnt expect the interest (even without a sale) I was not >expected to sell one as so many recently have said they havent sold a >stone at their most recent shows. I figure they will sell much better >come spring and gardening season. > >One elderly woman, stated she wanted a stained glass window put into her >bathroom... I wont worry about that one unless I hear from her >again...**then refer her elswhere! ;o) (I am not remotely qualified for >an installation) > >I did make back my booth fee and a bit more...but cost in prep for the >show far exceed any brought in by the show. > >I had several people tell me that they make stained glass stones, but >not a pretty as mine...and asked for advice. Asked lots of questions >about concrete. > >Two women from the school said they have a big project they are working >on for the grounds and are interested in dicussing with me the >possibility of my doing something decorative with stained glass and >concrete in the middle of it to brighten it all up. Could be a good >thing...Got different messages from each woman....(they need to talk >amongst themselves awhile). Gave them some names of some people that >can help them with the other part of the project (including Seattles >Pikes Place Market, who did a similar fund raising project about 14 yrs >ago) > >Well...sorry to turn into a book...the show was not really good, but not >really bad....time will tell whether the exposure did any good or not! >;o) > >Kind of wish for my husbands' sake I had had better sales... Think he >was really expecting more, as was I. I really expected to sell all of >my ornaments. My snowman ornaments were a hit. People really liked >them. > >There was one guy there with hot glass...(beautiful work) said it was an >awful show for him today. I dont think anyone sold much...and there was >very little traffic. Way too few people showed. > >Not too disapointed, but damn the weather. >Tulsa Suzanne > > >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 17:43:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:19:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Brian Shepherd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Merry Christmas Brian Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:22:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.102214.0> References: <<1998Dec7.195331.0>> Precedence: bulk The internet is a wonderful thing. More Christmas Stories and Poems http://www.night.net/christmas/poems12.html-ssi 'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse; The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there; The children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads; And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap, Had just settled down for a long winter's nap, When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter, I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter. Away to the window I flew like a flash, Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash. The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below, When, what to my wondering eyes should appear, But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer, With a little old driver, so lively and quick, I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick. More rapid than eagles his coursers they came, And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name; "Now, DASHER! now, DANCER! now, PRANCER and VIXEN! On, COMET! on CUPID! on, DONDER and BLITZEN! To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall! Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!" As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly, When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky, So up to the house-top the coursers they flew, With the sleigh full of toys, and St. Nicholas too. And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof The prancing and pawing of each little hoof. As I drew in my hand, and was turning around, Down the chimney St. Nicholas came with a bound. He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot, And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot; A bundle of toys he had flung on his back, And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack. His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry! His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow; The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth, And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath; He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly. He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf, And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself; A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread; He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work, And filled all the stockings; then turned with a jerk, And laying his finger aside of his nose, And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose; He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight, "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!" -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 17:43:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:18:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aries17.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: math... Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:18:37 -0500 Message-ID: <199812072218.RAA18869@aries17.uwaterloo.ca> Precedence: bulk Steve W. twisted the bytes to say: | From: Steve Wernecke | Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:02:12 -0800 | Subject: Re: Math quiz? | | At 08:58 AM 12/5/98 -0800, Chris Gundersen wrote: | >Had a small problem that I'm sure someone with math skills could assist me | with. | >I want to build a lampshade with x number of sides and know the diameter at | >the top and bottom. How can I calculate the angle that I must cut all the | >sides so that everything will line up properly. I hate to make cutouts of | >cardboard when I know this is the computer age. | >Thanks Chris | > | | Trick question...to figure out the angle, you need to know the panel's | height, too. What you can determine easily is the approximate length of | the top and bottom edges of each panel. Here goes... | | Figure out the circumference (length around a circle) of the top and bottom | openings by multiplying their diameters by everyone's favorite Greek letter | pi, which is 3.14 plus change. Then divide the top circumference by the | number of panels to get the length of the top edge. Do a similar division | to get the length of the bottom edge. You can then draw a trapezoidal | template of whatever height you like. Just make sure you center the top | edge horizontally over the bottom edge. | | If you *really* need to figure out angles, the angle between the bottom | edge and a side is | | angle = arctangent (2 * h / (b - t)) | where h is the panel height, b is the length of the bottom edge and t is | the length of the top edge. The angle between the top edge and a side is | 180 degrees minus the angle you just calculated. | | Let me know privately if you need to be really precise. I would hate to | interrupt the tequilla thread with a bunch of equations ;-) The | approximation gets better as the number of sides increases, that is, as the | shade gets closer and closer to being circular. For an 8-sided shade, for | example, this approximation overestimates top and bottom edge lengths by | about 3%. Also, as the diameters get larger you can safely ignore the | distinction between inside and outside diameter arising from glass | thickness. | | Bonus round...who has a formula for the height of the shade given the panel | height and the information Chris provided??? | | Steve Mmm, I am a little confused. Lets say this is the lamp shade: |<- t -->| -------- - / \ ^ D / \ | / \ h / A \ | ----------------- - |<- b -->| lets call it, as Steve did, b and t for the base and top diameter. And h is the height. Then, h can be described as: h tangent(A) = --------- = 2*h /(b-t) (Steve's equation) (b-t)/2 Now, this is a panel |<- x ->| ------- - / \ ^ d / \ | / \ y / B \ | ---------------- - |<- z -->| h is not the lenght of the panel, is the height of the lamp. Now, lets assume that you want a lamp of n sides. Since each corner of a panel is circumscribed in the circle defined by t or b, then the lenght of the diagonal d (in the panel) is the same as the diagonal D in the lamp. Knowing A from the previous calculation, you can compute d and y as: cos(A) = h /D , hence d = D = h * cos (A) Now, the trick to compute the angle B, which is what Chris wanted in the first place, is to compute x and z. They depend on the number of panels. Howard has suggested a simple method: divide the perimeter by the number of sides. So I will not cover that here, unless you want the _precise_ size. So now we know d (equal to D), x and z. Enough to compute y: y^2 + (z-x)^2/4 = d^2 y = sqrt(d^2 - (z-x)^2/4) where sqrt is the square root. You can also compute the angle B as follows: cos(B) = (z-x)/2d I'll check this data as soon as I get home, maybe I can make a WWW page that will compute this distances, it will be trivial. Obviously it is needed to account for the thickness of the glass. | | | - ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | | -- Daniel M. German "Reading the best writers is not The Western Cannon, H. Bloom -> going to make us better citizens" http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 18:06:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:31:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Steve Wernecke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Math quiz? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:29:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.12296.0> Precedence: bulk Oh, go ahead and break the tequila thread, Steve! You'll probably get flamed, too, since equations aren't *really related to serious glass work, right?!!! ;-) Happy holidays! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 18:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:59:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Twas the night! Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:48:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.22489.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks - what a nice bunch you are! Question well answered! Now what about the lottery numbers for next week? Thanks again Brian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 18:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:41:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:25:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.122557.0> References: <<199812071625.LAA26114@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > From: "M. Savad" > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Re: Walt Disney World > > Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:15:17 -0500 > > > Suzanne wrote: > > > > > > > I just got back from a trip to Walt Disney World. > > > > > > > > There are glass mosaics in Cinderella's Castle that are incredible, in both > > > > size and color. If you get a chance, go see them. > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > the way i imagined how i would make something large, or photographic > > like is this: i would make it up on the computer, then enlarge it and > > somehow print it. maybe even allow it to pixalize a little. > > Of course, anything generated from a computer image is going to be > pixilated. The more you enlarge it, the larger the pixels will be, > although their size could be smaller or larger depending on the > resolution of the image. It'd be an interesting approach to mosaic. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass unless they were vector art, then it should'nt pixelate. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 18:29:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:41:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.124133.0> Precedence: bulk How about sandblasted pumpkin ornaments? Or you could do some really stunning floral work with sandblast and painting combination. Some orange to add to a Frank Lloyd Wright style done in mostly blues? An autumn window with the veins sandblasted into the orange leaves? You know, orange is not my favorite color, but it's one I = wouldn't want to do without either. It's true... blue is not as blue can be without a bit of orange. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 18:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:45:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Brian Shepherd" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Sorry Ed! Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:41:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.124135.0> Precedence: bulk 'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house not a creature was stirring not even a mouse... Um.... ;-) Dani Greer (who's suffering with a bit of brainlock....) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 18:45:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:37:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: "Molly Keys" To: "Suzanne" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Hot dogs for supper! Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:15:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.121551.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, First thing to remember is, our business is all impulse buying. They don't need it. You can never predict what you will do at a show or what will sell. It will be either the old old stuff or the new stuff. I'm sure you heard the "stuff" word a zillion and one times this past weekend. Keep working on your inventory to build it up. I'm find for me selling 10% of my inventory at a show is good. I carry a very large inventory and maintain it. I only do two or three shows a year, but from the contacts I've made I can continue to sell from home on a consistent basis. Another thing you might do is start a mailing list to inform your customers and those that are interested in your work but not ready to buy that day where you will be showing next. Did you make alot of Christmas ornaments? It has been my experience that people do not spend alot of money on holiday "stuff" glass, except for maybe angels and santa's. Talk to the other vendors around you to find out where they show. They will be your best source on good shows and what sells for them. Look around and see what others are selling and I don't mean just glass. Snowmen are big right now, so make a few of those for your inventory. Be alert to the current decorating colors and whats hot and you should be okay. Don't let this experience get you down! My first show I went out and sat in the sun and made a whole whopping $26. My husband was my best supporter and encouraged me to continue saying things would get better and they certainly have. I've put two girls (and they aren't cheap) through college. The shows will get better for you, just be patient and keep cutting. Hope this helps. Molly Keys -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 12:02 AM Subject: Hot dogs for supper! >Again! ;o) In other words, not the wonderful Italian dinner I had >fantasies of yesterday! > >The show was disapointing to everyone. Yesterday was a gorgeous sunny >and warm day. Today started very similarly, but started a downpour >about 20 minutes before the show opened. Oh joy. > > I felt very good about both my work and display. The work of the past >13 days or so did not pay off financially today (which we really could >have used) but I think some work will come of it. Lots of people showed >alot of interest in *my original* work. This was very pleasing. Alot >of people showed interest and asked good questions and took cards and >flyers. Some just took cards. About 5 told me they would get in touch >with me after Christmas. > >One woman showed more interest than anyone, and had more than a limited >knowledge of stained glass work, and is interested in my making a pretty >stone for her 2 month old baby girls' grave. I have cried over that one >more than once today! See why I want to stay out of social work? > >Anyway...she and I exchanged email addresses...she is going home to >Texas...and I will send her pictures of ideas...she is interested in >a small lamb or cherub type angel. I told her I would get some ideas to >her soon...and promised I could do something appropriate and make it >very reasonable. (I will do it cheap for her) > >I was surprised that most interest was shown in my stones. They are >pretty...but didnt expect the interest (even without a sale) I was not >expected to sell one as so many recently have said they havent sold a >stone at their most recent shows. I figure they will sell much better >come spring and gardening season. > >One elderly woman, stated she wanted a stained glass window put into her >bathroom... I wont worry about that one unless I hear from her >again...**then refer her elswhere! ;o) (I am not remotely qualified for >an installation) > >I did make back my booth fee and a bit more...but cost in prep for the >show far exceed any brought in by the show. > >I had several people tell me that they make stained glass stones, but >not a pretty as mine...and asked for advice. Asked lots of questions >about concrete. > >Two women from the school said they have a big project they are working >on for the grounds and are interested in dicussing with me the >possibility of my doing something decorative with stained glass and >concrete in the middle of it to brighten it all up. Could be a good >thing...Got different messages from each woman....(they need to talk >amongst themselves awhile). Gave them some names of some people that >can help them with the other part of the project (including Seattles >Pikes Place Market, who did a similar fund raising project about 14 yrs >ago) > >Well...sorry to turn into a book...the show was not really good, but not >really bad....time will tell whether the exposure did any good or not! >;o) > >Kind of wish for my husbands' sake I had had better sales... Think he >was really expecting more, as was I. I really expected to sell all of >my ornaments. My snowman ornaments were a hit. People really liked >them. > >There was one guy there with hot glass...(beautiful work) said it was an >awful show for him today. I dont think anyone sold much...and there was >very little traffic. Way too few people showed. > >Not too disapointed, but damn the weather. >Tulsa Suzanne > > >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 18:53:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:32:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Byron Wells Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:30:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec7.9303.0> References: <<1998Dec5.143737.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Byron: Don't forget to pre-wire for a sandblast set up to include the compressor. Eventually you will want to include glass etching as part of your glass studio work. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 19:15:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:55:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: RE: #75 How do you hide and elephant? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:40:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199812080149.BAA18650@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Mmmmm.... Reminds me of the story of a little child who went to the zoo and saw an elephant for the very first time. On coming home, the child was terribly excited to tell Mumy all about it. "...And, Mummy, Mummy! It picked up peanuts with its tail" "Did it now, dear. What did it do with the peanuts then?" "Mummy, Mummy, you just would not BELIEVE me, if I told you!!" Good night everybody from UK.... and sweet dreams! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Thanks for the reminder, Sparks!: > Also sprach our resident Prima Ballerina, pkelly@n-link.com: > > >Hiding the elephant is not hard. Its trying to cover up the smell of peanuts > >that's hard. > > That's easy. Just set out a couple of bowls of mixed nuts, like you would for > a party, then people will think nothing of the peanut smell. > > Now, covering up the smell of the *result* of the elephant's eating the > peanuts, *that's* hard! > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 19:21:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:25:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JKSinrod From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:22:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.22219.0> Precedence: bulk I always thought that that stuff was tile work?? As complicated as it is, I would bet that Disney had 40 people do it in 2 days!!! Sinrod Studios http://members.aol.com/JKSinrod/sinrod.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 19:41:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:01:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: Kathy Mather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: jewlery Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.155818.0> References: <<199812070457.UAA12502@f282.hotmail.com>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Hi Kathy: Try "Rings & Things". They have a pretty large catalog. Their website is: http://www.Rings-Things.com Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 19:45:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:06:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec7.10638.0> References: <<1998Dec7.93718.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie: Don't believe you started the bit about Burnt orange but finally decided to jump in...I thought the problem was to get orange glass for something related to University of Tennessee whose colors are orange and white. Bullseye makes a terrific orange colored glass. Not sure why burnt orange was a requirement if this was UT. Having said all that perhaps I am totally out in left field. Peggy (I'm a graduate of University of Tennessee). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 20:19:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:17:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sssnet.com!classi From: "Karen L. Frangos" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Hello from a beginner! Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.171526.0> Precedence: bulk I was added to the e-mail list last week, just about when the Mexican worm escaped from the Tequila bottle into the stained glass mail box. I thought that I was in the company of rather strange people. Of course, I still think that, but after reading some of the interesting questions and the rapidly returning educational answers, I think that these are my kind of people! I am learning so much and so fast from you that my head is swimming with projects I want to tackle. The most important thing here is the human-to-human relationship and support that is so apparent to anyone who reads the mail (which is abundant). It is quite obvious that there are master artists in this group who unselfishly give time and tips to hobbiests of varying degrees of talent and training. My name is Karen and I am so new at this artistic endeavor that I have yet to begin my first project after finishing a simple window pane during my 4-week course at my local dealer. Many things you write about are totally unknown to me. I have ordered catalogues through which I hope to learn the names of products and terms. I am creating a work area in the basement and hope to have fun this winter exploring my new hobby. With your help I can get even more out of what I originally thought to be a simple hobby and now find out that it is very complex. Now I no longer feel like a voyeur or even someone reading another's mail. I will now become a part of the group if you will let this beginner ask stupid questions. On the other hand, my stained glass instructor told me the only stupid question was the one you didn't ask. Warm regards to all, Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 20:35:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:27:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sorry Ed! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.172922.0> References: <<1998Dec7.195331.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > 'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house > Not a creature was stirring - not even a mouse' Aaahhh, yes. But a more difficult question is does anyone have the "MAD" version of the poem which starts: 'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the pad, Not a creature was stirring, not even old Dad. The stockings were hung in the stocking routine, In hopes that the fat man would soon make the scene.... It is obvious how I spent my childhood... Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 20:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:41:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hot dogs for supper! Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:40:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.17402.0> References: <<1998Dec7.121551.0>> Precedence: bulk Here's the most horrific craft fair story I've heard (that just involved sales, that is) and, no, it didn't happen to me. This summer there was a celebration of some sort that included a craft fair. The fee was $500 for 4 days (Thurs-Sun). The crafter who told me this story made $36 in sales...by Saturday, when he packed up and went home! He said it was so bad the food vendors gave up on Saturday. There were people, but they weren't even buying food! I can't even say, at the end of a show, if it's been good or bad, until I see if any special orders come through. Sometimes none come through, other times I double the amount of money I made at the show. (Now, last show, there was a guy who liked some window corners we had, but weren't sure they'd go with his wallpaper, so was going to go home and get his wallpaper, and maybe we'd do up the pattern to match the wallpaper. He wanted it for Christmas, so we told him we'd have to know IMMEDIATELY. When he came back, no wallpaper. He decided that what we had was just fine and bought it. Whew!) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 21:19:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:18:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:57:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.155751.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the ideas folks! There were several I hadnt thought of or about that yall brought up and I'll be adding them to my new shop... I'll be starting in Feb probably since the winters arent to bad in Texas... Byron.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 21:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:24:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: WDW & previous thread Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:52:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.175229.0> References: <<1998Dec7.122557.0>> Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > ........ > > unless they were vector art, then it should'nt pixelate. > > ---Mike Savad > If you were pixelated, couldn't it be on tequila? Hmmm, anything else I can say that's on topic? Went to the beach today and didn't find any beach glass (75 degrees in New England on Dec. 7!) Went to the mall and saw several gnomens at Restoration Hardware. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 21:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:02:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!wernecke From: Steve Wernecke To: "Daniel M. German" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: math... Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:00:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981207200004.00dc5100@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <<199812072218.RAA18869@aries17.uwaterloo.ca>> Precedence: bulk At 05:18 PM 12/7/98 -0500, Daniel M. German wrote: > >Steve W. twisted the bytes to say: > >| From: Steve Wernecke >| Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:02:12 -0800 >| Subject: Re: Math quiz? >| >| At 08:58 AM 12/5/98 -0800, Chris Gundersen wrote: >| >Had a small problem that I'm sure someone with math skills could assist me >| with. >| >I want to build a lampshade with x number of sides and know the diameter at >| >the top and bottom. How can I calculate the angle that I must cut all the >| >sides so that everything will line up properly. I hate to make cutouts of >| >cardboard when I know this is the computer age. >| >Thanks Chris >| > >| >| Trick question...to figure out the angle, you need to know the panel's >| height, too. What you can determine easily is the approximate length of >| the top and bottom edges of each panel. Here goes... >| >| Figure out the circumference (length around a circle) of the top and bottom >| openings by multiplying their diameters by everyone's favorite Greek letter >| pi, which is 3.14 plus change. Then divide the top circumference by the >| number of panels to get the length of the top edge. Do a similar division >| to get the length of the bottom edge. You can then draw a trapezoidal >| template of whatever height you like. Just make sure you center the top >| edge horizontally over the bottom edge. >| >| If you *really* need to figure out angles, the angle between the bottom >| edge and a side is >| >| angle = arctangent (2 * h / (b - t)) > >| where h is the panel height, b is the length of the bottom edge and t is >| the length of the top edge. The angle between the top edge and a side is >| 180 degrees minus the angle you just calculated. >| >| [clip] >| >| Steve > > >Mmm, I am a little confused. Lets say this is the lamp shade: > > |<- t -->| > > -------- - > / \ ^ > D / \ | > / \ h > / A \ | > ----------------- - > |<- b -->| > >lets call it, as Steve did, b and t for the base and top diameter. And h >is the height. Then, h can be described as: > > [clip] > We're using different notation. My b and t are not shade diameters...they are the lengths of bottom and top edges of a single panel. (Formulas b = pi * bottom_diameter / panel_count and t = pi * top_diameter / panel_count were described in words, not equations, in my post.) Also, my h is the height of a single panel--the slant height of the shade, if you will--which is missing information in Chris's original question. If you still disagree, let's take this discussion private and report the final outcome to the group, lest we offend! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 21:54:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:03:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sorry Ed! Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:49:54 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.34954.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/7/98 9:35:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: > Twas the night before Christmas > and all through the house > not a creature was stirring > not even a mouse... > > Um.... > > ;-) > > Dani Greer (who's suffering with a bit of brainlock....) the stockings were hung by the chimney with care, in hopes that St. Nicholas would soon be there...... Ok, someone else's turn.....Suzanne de Tulsa, I think you know it too..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 22:21:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:52:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: WDW & previous thread Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:59:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.175928.0> References: <<1998Dec7.175229.0>> Precedence: bulk > Went to the mall and saw several gnomens at Restoration Hardware. I aint seen gno-mens in a lawng tahm. Couldnt resist....everytime I see that word, just makes me visualise male anatomy! %-) Tulsa Suzanne, whose dad just loves Jeff Foxworthy -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 23:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:15:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sorry Ed! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 00:23:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.182347.0> References: <<1998Dec8.34954.0>> Precedence: bulk > the stockings were hung by the chimney with care, in hopes that St. Nicholas > would soon be there...... > > Ok, someone else's turn.....Suzanne de Tulsa, I think you know it too..... The Childen were nestled all snug in their beds, while visions of sugar plums danced in their heads..... And Ma in her kerchief and I in my cap had just settled down for a long winters' nap.... When out from the lawn...... I recently checked a version out from the library.,..that said something about thier brains instead of winters nap. I had never heard that before. -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 7 23:47:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:58:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: This place is a wreck! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:06:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.19620.0> References: <<1998Dec7.175928.0>> Precedence: bulk so...is it obvious the show's over and I havent started anything yet? ;o) Gotta clean shop and re organise. Looks like tornado season blew through my little studio (not to mention the house) and hit the cement and sand first! Each of my tables appears to be in the midst of a major project....sand and cement and concrete on one...floor of course is covered, glass is splashed etc... One darling little ornament sitting looking like I am taking a short soldering break, only the iron is ice cold... My grinder is crying out to be cleaned. The ring saw is crying for a blade (Gary bought me one, then he used it and broke the blade)....my drawing table is completely covered...etc... My last pour was a nightmare. My concrete guy (and his helper) picked Thanksgiving weekend to get married! DIDNT HE KNOW I HAD A SHOW COMING UP????? I didnt have all the sand I needed. My husband goes to Home Depot or some such place and buys me sand. ARGHHH....not even near what I am used to. I had to pour that day...or not have these 4 stones that I had planned along for the show. In the middle of the pour I start to freak out because the texture, look and *feel of it is sooo totally different. I start wondering...did I mix 3 to 1? 4 to 1? The color is wrong...isnt white enough..must have mixed it 4 to 1...Oh noo add more cement... Then I realise... that when figuring my amounts I forgot about adding in enough for a 16" hex....meanwhile, I have already poured all the concrete I have mixed into 2 14"ers a paver and the hex. So...make more! This time I add more cement...and pour into these molds for the 3rd time! When all was said and done...the top of the pours looked like frothy cream....Obvious the mix is too rich. Sheesh...here I am at close to midnight thinking ok...do I scoop all this out of my molds rescue my glass and wash it off...and start over????? Too tired. Said nope, risk it. They came out beautiful. Called my concrete guy today, explained what happened...and asked him... several different mixes in one pour...gradually richer with each mix (more cement) will they crack between mixes? He said if it was wet enough it will not!!! WHEW!! I *pour* my cement. YEA!!!!!! I am going to hang onto these stones for awhile to make sure they are *ok*. Still a little worried. If nothing else, I can baby them, and keep them as samples, as they look beautiful. Sure didnt accomplish much today. Did admire some of my work of the last couple of weeks today...and that was all the glass I touched. Did replace some bandaides and triple antibiotic ointment several times though. Hands are healing well! ;o) Ok. I'll be quiet now. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 00:14:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:08:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: St. Nick Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.21335.0> Precedence: bulk > >> Twas the night before Christmas >> and all through the house >> not a creature was stirring >> not even a mouse... >> >> Um.... >> >> ;-) >> >> Dani Greer (who's suffering with a bit of brainlock....) > >the stockings were hung by the chimney with care, in hopes that St. Nicholas >would soon be there...... > > *******The children were nestled all snug in their beds, ******* While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads. OK, who's next? Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 00:29:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:36:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: North Pole Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.21644.0> Precedence: bulk Tis the Season..... http://www.northpole.com/wc.html Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 00:34:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:13:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sorry Ed! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:22:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.202251.0> References: <<1998Dec8.34954.0>> Precedence: bulk CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/7/98 9:35:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: > > > Twas the night before Christmas > > and all through the house > > not a creature was stirring > > not even a mouse... > > > > Um.... > > > > ;-) > > > > Dani Greer (who's suffering with a bit of brainlock....) > > the stockings were hung by the chimney with care, in hopes that St. Nicholas > would soon be there...... The children were all snuggled in their beds. While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads, and Mamma in her kerchief and I in my cap . Had just settled down for a long winter's nap.. NEXT Since our grandson first Christmas, I have read the story to him every Christmas Eve. Now at 7 1/2 he is going to read it to to us Christmas Eve. > > Ok, someone else's turn.....Suzanne de Tulsa, I think you know it too..... > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 01:16:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:20:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Enough! Enough! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.81320.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks again to all you lovely people! I have have twenty six complete poems, one serialised version still running, and six websites! Poor Ed will be going mad! PLEASE STOP! It's like a chain letter! (I haven't had next weeks Lottery numbers yet though!) Thanks a big bunch! Very best regards Brian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 04:25:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:48:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Bio# 74 Luanne Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.14759.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome to Luanne. Luanne and I have been corresponding off group for a while and I have learned that she is a good hearted, fair mained person who LOVES glass. She has designed some lovely patterns and I'm sure we'll hear from her often. Glad you are here, Luanne. Stay out of lurkdom. Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 05:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 04:59:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Hilary A Bobker , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sorry Ed! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 07:46:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec7.23464.0> References: <<1998Dec7.172922.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Now you can't leave us hanging without finishing that one. I must be too old, never heard it before. Carol T Hilary A Bobker wrote: > > 'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house > > Not a creature was stirring - not even a mouse' > > Aaahhh, yes. But a more difficult question is does anyone have the "MAD" > version of the poem which starts: > > 'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the pad, > Not a creature was stirring, not even old Dad. > The stockings were hung in the stocking routine, > In hopes that the fat man would soon make the scene.... > > It is obvious how I spent my childhood... > > > Hilary > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 07:43:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:40:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: classi@sssnet.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hello from a beginner! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:30:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.143053.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Karen! Welcome aboard!!! We are happy to have you! Nice of you to introduce yourself. So glad to hear that you stayed with us long enough to realize that we actually DO talk glass. If it weren't for troublemakers in tutus with lost gnomen (whose name I will not mention) and a certain known hound from hell (no name again) this line would be quite civilized and proper. (not to mention the worm/or not the worm in the bottom of the bottle!) Watch out for the "nag" (sporting a tutu) who will be contacting you shortly for a personal biography! (shouldn't that be rightly called an autobiography?) He caught onto poor Ed right away. Didn't comment on Ed's complaint, but instead asked for bio. BTW, Ed, how are you holding up to your name being mentioned so much? Has your opinion changed even slightly regarding the group? Hope you are not taking offense as no one is attempting to offend you. Lenore who is out of lurking mode now that shows are over!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 08:05:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:43:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:40:22 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.144022.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Byron et al, On Saturday I had occasion to use Suzy Albrights "sink" to clean off a piece of glass during her home show. Suzy has a shower stall floor mounted high enough so no bending over is required. It felt terrific!!! It was large! It was shallow! It was high up! It was everything you would ever want for cleaning your glass!!! This I definitely recommend! Was happy with my double stationary tubs in the basement until I used her "sink". Santa....are you listening???! [not a chance.....:( ....] Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 08:10:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Vic'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: "Barking" the edges of glass panels Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.44948.0> Precedence: bulk Wow, this is interesting. In some of my wanderings I found this page on Knapping: http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~t64tr/knap.html There is an interesting article there about making an arrowhead from the bottom of a beer bottle. I just knew it would come in handy someday - interesting if nothing else. Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 08:43:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:25:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:24:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.52436.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Peggy W. Johnsen" >Christie: Don't believe you started the bit about Burnt orange but finally decided to jump in...I thought the problem was to get orange glas= s for something related to University of Tennessee whose colors are orange and white. Bullseye makes a terrific orange colored glass. Not sure why= burnt orange was a requirement if this was UT. Having said all that perhaps I am totally out in left field. Peggy (I'm a graduate of University of Tennessee).< Ha, ha, I interpreted UT as University of Texas, whose colors are burnt orange and white. And it wasn't me who was asking, but now I can't remember who. Ah, memory is one of those things I'm missing most right now. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 09:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:57:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:52:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.155245.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/7/98 6:44:38 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >I think I have a quarter sheet of one of these. >Actually, it looks like orange flashed onto >clear. [...] I remember seeing it in the shop and wondering who the heck made something like that - thinking it must have come from the heyday of flashed glass when everybody and their dog was doing cut/etched glass. But *orange*? (It's a particularly "screaming" shade too, and opaque if I remember right. *Very* strange!) I guess my inclination might be to try etching it and see how it comes out... maybe etch it in an autumn pattern and slump it onto a bowl? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 09:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:58:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:52:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.155253.0> Precedence: bulk I picked up several wooden shipping crates from the local stained-glass supply shop, put medium-duty swiveling wheel casters (the kind you use for large furniture) on them, and made them into roll-out bins for storing glass. Any glass bigger than a foot in any direction goes in the bins. One (rack-pack size) tucks in safely under my work table, the other (1 foot wide, 3 feet long, 2 feet high) fits nicely into a slot next to my second workbench. Roll-out bins are also great for wheeling around your bags of stepping-stone cement as well as non-glass stuff like hydraulic jack/jack stands/other car repair equipment. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 09:42:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:30:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bragging Rights on my Pattern Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.63041.0> Precedence: bulk Well, folks, I just must brag. Saturday, my local shop owner put one of my patterns in her shop for sale. I may have told ya'll I was making a small Hatteras Lighthouse (9") light for my brother for Christmas gift. As I designed the thing, I drew it in detail with Autocad. Finished the pattern before I finished the actual lighthouse and had to go back and alter the order of construction to suit real life. The pattern and instructions turned out to be 15 pages (11" x 17") and the autocad makes it just ever so neat. She's selling them for $12.95 and I get 75%. Anyway, a friend was at the shop today and called to say the shop had sold 2 of my patterns. It helps that my glass prototype was on display in the shop. Brother will get the second one I make for Christmas. I'm just so excited that my pattern has sold. I told the shop owner I'd not put the pattern anywhere else for a while. She is on the way to the outer banks (Hatteras) and at an ideal location for the sale of this pattern. But who knows, maybe I'll hit the big time and be famous for my series of lighthouse patterns. :) Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 10:48:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:51:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: byronw@eatumup.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:46:29 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.174629.0> Precedence: bulk I am not sure I read all the idea eveyone gave you, all of a sudden had over 300 e-mails in my box and delted a couple without reading.........So if this has been suggested, sorry. Personally along with everything else, I would have as many electrical outlets and switches as code allowed. Actually if I could start from the ground up with a large new space I would also make sure there was 220 available, do any big sandblasing set ups use 220? My air compressor in the garage does, and seems they would work on a similar principle. (of course I am the only person I know who has a 220 line in the living room too, not enough outlets for the normal items, but....) Since I am on the topic of electricity, which seems to be one of my favorite topics, how about different kinds of lighting fixtures, fluorescent, incandescent, halogen, and whatever they call the kind that simulate sunlight. Glass looks so different in different lights, wonder if having a shop with the different ones available would be useful. Ok, back to whatever it is that I am supposed to be doing right now. Good luck, Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 12:03:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:42:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: North Pole Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:39:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.93942.0> Precedence: bulk Have I ever told you that Michael got his start in stained glass as an elf in Santa's Workshop at the North Pole in Cascade, CO? Yup, that's where he learned the basics of cutting and assembling glass. Right out of high school.............. It's amazing what can happen if you do something long enough! ;-) Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 12:33:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:43:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Hilary A. Bobker" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Sorry Ed! (No not really!) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:39:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.93951.0> Precedence: bulk I love it, Hilary, but where's the rest of the poem??!!!! And you don't = happen to also have the story of Rindacella and Her Sisty Uglers, do you?? Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 12:54:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:49:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JKSinrod From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: lcbell@memach.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bragging Rights on my Pattern Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:34:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.19341.0> Precedence: bulk Congrats on you work! Do you mean its 15 pages taped together for a large design? I don't get it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 13:14:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:51:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:48:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.94854.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Pat, I'm with you on the electrical outlets! Our shop used to be an appliance store and *still I don't have enough outlets!! And, yes, 220 for the big kiln and sandblast set-up... at least three plugs so you don't have to = have a sign-up sheet for 220 plug-in... before you know it, you'll have three pieces of = equipment that need 220. Or in my case four, since I have my washer and dryer at the studio, too. Well, and how else am I to get the laundry done when I'm here 18 hours a day??? Jeez......;-) Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 13:38:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Shop ideas Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:34:16, -0500 Message-ID: <199812081934.OAA13976@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk When I set up my sandblaster I had the compressor on one side and the vacuum on the other side. That made for short runs of connections and almost drove me nuts listening to both of these machines at once. Now my compressor and vacuum are remote from the sandblast cabinet and peace and guiet reigns. The compressor turns itself on and the vacuum goes on when the light in the cabinet is turned on. The compressor and vacuum are remote from each other as I do not like the idea of the compressor picking up the output of the vacuum. I suggest you consider doing the same. It is much nicer and perhaps healthier just hearing the gentle hiss of the blaster doing its work. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 13:39:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:17:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'JKSinrod@aol.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Bragging Rights on my Pattern Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:15:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.101550.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks, It is 15 pages total, made up of full size drawings and instructions. Since the lighthouse is only 9 inches tall, each of the pieces will fit on a sheet without taping together or anything. But I wanted plenty of room and I described each step in detail with full size drawings. That's why it took 15 sheets, basically 14 steps to a lighthouse. Actually, the shop owner die ask me if I would design and build one about 2-3 feet tall. She said she could sell several and she's really into flowers and panel, not 3-d. I told her I would think about it but that I couldn't just enlarge this pattern because so much more detail woild be required for a larger object. This pattern has 128 pieces and I consider it really simple to do (cause my instructions are basic and simple). I can't imagine how many pieces would be in a house 2-3 feet tall, what with all the detail to fill the blank spaces. Thanks for the congtats, Linda -----Original Message----- From: JKSinrod@aol.com [SMTP:JKSinrod@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 2:34 PM To: lcbell@memach.com; glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bragging Rights on my Pattern Congrats on you work! Do you mean its 15 pages taped together for a large design? I don't get it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 14:08:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:36:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: North Pole: Another Santa's Elf Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:34:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.203412.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/8/98 3:06:04 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com wrote: >Have I ever told you that Michael >got his start in stained glass as >an elf in Santa's Workshop at the >North Pole in Cascade, CO? Yup, >that's where he learned the basics >of cutting and assembling glass. I guess I got my start in glass as a "Santa's elf" too...... A couple of Decembers ago when I was out of work and Christie's business was picking up (she was still working at home at the time, no North Pole), she called me up and asked me how would I like to learn to do stained glass, she could use some help. So I worked a day here and a day there for her, and once she got the shop, the business took off so fast that I've been there anywhere from 2 days a week to 14 days straight...... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 14:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:03:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Shop Ideas? Date: Tue Dec 8 13:03:09 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.10399.0> Precedence: bulk I'm jealous. Here are all these wonderful ideas for a great workshop and what do I make do with? My work area is a 30" x 42 " desktop, storage is a set of steel shelves and two drawers. The top of the washing machine doubles as a table when I'm grinding. Larger sheets of glass are stashed where ever my son (3 and half) can't get to them. I wonder if Santa can fit an extra room in his bag? (It is not actually all that bad. While a real workshop would be nice, I have managed to do a lot with the limited space available. But I am still jealous.) Green eyed Vic -----Original Message----- From: CncptThnkr@aol.com [mailto:CncptThnkr@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 12:46 PM To: byronw@eatumup.com; glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? I am not sure I read all the idea eveyone gave you, all of a sudden had over 300 e-mails in my box and delted a couple without reading.........So if this has been suggested, sorry. Personally along with everything else, I would have as many electrical outlets and switches as code allowed. Actually if I could start from the ground up with a large new space I would also make sure there was 220 available, do any big sandblasing set ups use 220? My air compressor in the garage does, and seems they would work on a similar principle. (of course I am the only person I know who has a 220 line in the living room too, not enough outlets for the normal items, but....) Since I am on the topic of electricity, which seems to be one of my favorite topics, how about different kinds of lighting fixtures, fluorescent, incandescent, halogen, and whatever they call the kind that simulate sunlight. Glass looks so different in different lights, wonder if having a shop with the different ones available would be useful. Ok, back to whatever it is that I am supposed to be doing right now. Good luck, Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 14:43:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:08:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Karen L. Frangos" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Hello from a beginner! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.93954.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome aboard, Karen. We're looking forward to having someone aboard who'll help us keep interesting conversations going! Questions are always a good starting point. Happy holidays! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 15:12:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:12:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Hey, UKer's! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:19:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.101921.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know the latest on Hartley Wood glass? We heard rumors here that the employess might be firing up the company and starting pro- duction of glass again? Any word? Thanks! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 15:24:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:33:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: Klmxklm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:15:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.22153.0> Precedence: bulk Hi: If all of you Aggies, T Sippers and Vols would switch to being Florida State fans, you wouldn't have to worry about orange or burnt orange!! Just a suggestion!! "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 15:47:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:40:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasshack From: Chris & Al Orowitz To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Soldering Question Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.113132.0> Organization: The Glass Shack Precedence: bulk Hi all, When I get ready to solder a project I arrange all my pieces together. A friend of mine who owns a glass store told me I shouldn't do it like that. She always puts a pin between each of her pieces thus creating a bit of a space. She claims that it is to prevent breakage. Is there any truth to this or just a myth? I don't really like the way it looks after she gets done as the lines are quite large. I have been putting my pieces together since I started doing glass, which is about 7 yrs, and have not had any pieces break because of the way I do it. Comments anyone? Chris Orowitz glasshack@earthlink.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 16:11:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:41:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: bshep@dircon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Enough! Enough! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:24:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec8.222440.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/8/98 1:16:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, bshep@dircon.co.uk writes: << PLEASE STOP! It's like a chain letter! >> Be careful what you ask for.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 17:26:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:08:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Soldering Question Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:06:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199812090006.TAA10466@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk ...............snipped.. I have been putting >my pieces together since I started doing glass, which is about 7 yrs,and have not had any pieces break because of the way I do it. ten years, no pins, no breakage, and thin lines where desired! Dee...Patuxent Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 17:47:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:10:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Chris & Al Orowitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Soldering Question Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:08:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.14820.0> Precedence: bulk Well, certainly doing it the way = your friend does would create a stronger window since the pin-space in between would ensure that solder gets down in between the glass creating a matrix much like lead channel with a true heart. Does that make sense? On the other hand, if you were building a sized window with many hundreds of pieces of glass, that little bit of pin spacing between each piece would guarantee a "growing" window as you built. Not good. The bottom line: No, we don't do this and have had no problems with breakage. I wouldn't waste the time. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 17:55:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:22:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Chris & Al Orowitz" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Soldering Question Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:13:31 -0000 Message-ID: <199812090017.TAA07782@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Hi all, > >When I get ready to solder a project I arrange all my pieces together. >A friend of mine who owns a glass store told me I shouldn't do it like >that. She always puts a pin between each of her pieces thus creating a >bit of a space. She claims that it is to prevent breakage. Is there >any truth to this or just a myth? I don't really like the way it looks >after she gets done as the lines are quite large. I have been putting >my pieces together since I started doing glass, which is about 7 yrs, >and have not had any pieces break because of the way I do it. I think you just answered your own question! I've never heard of putting a pin between pieces, except when you're pinning lamp pieces to the mold. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 18:27:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:16:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: M-80 breaker Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:18:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.141835.0> Precedence: bulk has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? i finally broke down, and i may get one. i have the ringstar pliers, currently. is it difficult to use? easy? i'm sure there's a learning curve to it, just like the ringstar... is there any glass it can't do? ...except for drapery, or heavy ripples, which i doubt would work anyway. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 18:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:18:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Chris & Al Orowitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Question Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.141612.0> References: <<1998Dec8.113132.0>> Precedence: bulk Chris & Al Orowitz wrote: > > Hi all, > > When I get ready to solder a project I arrange all my pieces together. > A friend of mine who owns a glass store told me I shouldn't do it like > that. She always puts a pin between each of her pieces thus creating a > bit of a space. She claims that it is to prevent breakage. Is there > any truth to this or just a myth? I don't really like the way it looks > after she gets done as the lines are quite large. I have been putting > my pieces together since I started doing glass, which is about 7 yrs, > and have not had any pieces break because of the way I do it. > > Comments anyone? > Chris Orowitz > glasshack@earthlink.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass no, she's an idiot... not to sound mean or anything... the solder can be 6 feet wide and it won't make any differnece how strong the pieces is. the only way a solder joint is going to strenghten the project more is if you use a wider foil. the pins will make you use more solder (is she selling you the solder by any chance?) and it will make it look bit more ugly. it will also take longer to set it up. the strength of the project depends on the project itself. where the solder lines are placed, not how fat they are. when you assemble a project you want the pieces to be as close together as you can for the best possible fit. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 18:49:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:47:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: 'nite before continued Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:41:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.1411.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/8/98 2:28:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: << And Ma in her kerchief and I in my cap had just settled down for a long winters' nap.... When out from the lawn.... >> There arose such a clatter, I sprang from my bed, but what did it matter: My icicle lites were stolen with my ladder........ oops, philly style abridged version Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 19:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:33:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: This place is a wreck! Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:32:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.15324.0> References: <<199812081428.JAA05537@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk suzy@comcat.com wrote: > > > What do you think, Emeraldine? > > Penna. Suzanne Oh, dear, I do so hate to admit to my bad habits, but I do have some simple items in various states of creation. And I've had to put off tuning the bass notes in the 4-D creation while I finish the holiday items. The life size Frosty is still missing his hat. Then there is the angel with trumpet - Jacques was late in getting the blown glass feathers to me, so it's over to my left... There are drawings and patterns all over, most unorganized. Pierre just looks through the door and shakes his head. It's not safe to do anything else. He promises that when I finish some of this work, he will help me clean, and maybe bring in a load of sawdust...just that it's REALLY not safe to think of that right now. And, of course, I need to make stained glass cookies before the annual neighborhood caroling. As you can see, I must go. The sooner I finish, well - I leave it to your capable imagination. Emeraldine (Newcomers note: Emeraldine lives only in Dorothy's mind. Patrick, I understand, is quite real.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 19:32:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:06:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non-glass MAD mag question Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:08:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.17829.0> References: <<199812081440_MC2-62E9-6575@compuserve.com>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk Hey, Guys! It is gratifying to know that many of you rotted your brains with MAD as young persons, BUT, my question was does anyone know the MAD version of the Night Before Christmas? Those first few lines are ***all*** I can remember, and being that it was at least 40 years ago, I consider that pretty good!!! So, please don't look to me for the rest. Hilary * *very big idiotic grin PS Has anyone ever done a A. E. Newman panel? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 20:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:46:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, esavad@home.net, glass@intrastar.net Subject: M-80 breaker Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:18:12, -0500 Message-ID: <199812090318.WAA06356@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? i finally broke down, and i may get one. i have the ringstar pliers, currently. is it difficult to use? easy? i'm sure there's a learning curve to it, just like the ringstar. .. is there any glass it can't do? ...except for drapery, or heavy ripples, which i doubt would work anyway. ---Mike Savad<< I would not buy the M-80 until you have checked out METAL running pliars. I mean the ones with the adjustable set screw. I used the M-80 for a period of time and then found that it just sat around taking up space so I sold it as used. It works pretty good but on heavy glass seems to have a built in problem. The tubler handles bend slightly and store a lot of energy. When the glass starts to break, this energy is transmitted to the glass and often the score does not run true. With metal running pliars, the set screw can be set so that there is no force transmitted after the glass starts to run. I only use the set screw for difficult cuts. Use the metal breakers without setting the screw for the majority of cuts because the alignment of the metal runner jaws helps to part the score evenly. Plastic runners are not an acceptable substitute for a good pair of metal runners as they also store a lot of energy in the handles. I have a Ringstar and do not like it nearly as well as my metal runners. I keep it around so I can demonstrate how it is inferior to metal runners. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 20:46:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:28:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: classes in Cincinatti Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:04:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.17445.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I may have a friend interested in classes in Cincinatti. Anyone on the list that teaches up there? Jerri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 20:49:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:16:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "M. Savad" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:36:49 -0000 Message-ID: <199812090340.WAA26334@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk You said: (snip) > i finally broke down, and Really? Gosh, I thought you were *young! Sorry, Mike, couldn't resist. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 22:04:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:51:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:56:59 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.205659.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Albert and all else. The shop ideas thread that going on now seems to quite interesting. How about an article of that nature in CG:C? In fact one of us could collect ideas from all the bungi people and sort it out to make more readable. Such an article would of great interest to me. I am planning on shifting my workshop to a different and bigger location. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 7:08 AM Subject: RE: Shop Ideas? >I'm jealous. >Here are all these wonderful ideas for a great workshop and what do I >make do with? >My work area is a 30" x 42 " desktop, storage is a set of steel shelves >and two drawers. The top of >the washing machine doubles as a table when I'm grinding. Larger sheets >of glass are stashed >where ever my son (3 and half) can't get to them. > >I wonder if Santa can fit an extra room in his bag? > >(It is not actually all that bad. While a real workshop would be nice, I >have managed to do a lot with the limited space available. But I am >still jealous.) > >Green eyed Vic > > -----Original Message----- > From: CncptThnkr@aol.com [mailto:CncptThnkr@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 12:46 PM > To: byronw@eatumup.com; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? > > I am not sure I read all the idea eveyone gave you, all >of a sudden had over > 300 e-mails in my box and delted a couple without >reading.........So if this > has been suggested, sorry. > > Personally along with everything else, I would have as >many electrical outlets > and switches as code allowed. Actually if I could start >from the ground up > with a large new space I would also make sure there was >220 available, do any > big sandblasing set ups use 220? My air compressor in >the garage does, and > seems they would work on a similar principle. (of >course I am the only person > I know who has a 220 line in the living room too, not >enough outlets for the > normal items, but....) Since I am on the topic of >electricity, which seems to > be one of my favorite topics, how about different kinds >of lighting fixtures, > fluorescent, incandescent, halogen, and whatever they >call the kind that > simulate sunlight. Glass looks so different in >different lights, wonder if > having a shop with the different ones available would be >useful. Ok, back > to whatever it is that I am supposed to be doing right >now. > > Good luck, > > Pat > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: >glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: >glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 22:09:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:51:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: This place is a wreck Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:44:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.16444.0> Precedence: bulk It is obvious that you didn't make enough to get your prosaic prescription refilled. (8-) Chill kid ..... just chill. The mess will be there tomorrow or the next day. I cleaned my garage last week and it looks like twister movie and all I did was a little suncatcher and a few odds and ends. I did finish a 24"x24" carousel horse and when I picked it up to put it in the frame .......... crack! OH Frit I said (yeah, yeah, that's what I said). That's my story and I'm sticking to it. How about having a house cleaning party and invite all of your friends? Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 22:29:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:51:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: hilary@voicenet.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non-glass MAD mag question and reply Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:35:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.43540.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! Every few years the hospital that I work at, sends around a poster with all of the new incoming residents for the year. The photos are a thumbnail size black and white with the person's name beneath. This gets posted in some place where it appears to stay for years.... One year there was one blank thumbnail spot. Well of course this drove me nuts, I kept looking out for just the right picture to fit in here with the other doctors... Lo and Behold, one day, before my eyes was a perfectly sized black and white photo of Alfred E Neuman Mad Magazine Model of the year. Naturally, I cut it out and pasted it to the board. It hung in our unit for years......It was a great laugh for anyone just looking at it while they waited for the computer printer to spit out their documents.....because suddenly they'd spy the ignomious picture....... "What me worry?" Maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 22:29:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:52:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:36:23 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.203623.0> Precedence: bulk Let me say my bits worth. While re-doing my workshop some time back, I came across a few lamps sets called "Mah-jong" lamp. I have fixed three over the table. They hang from the ceiling. The mahjong lamp, is some lamp thingy that has a mechanism to move it up and down. It is a great help. I now have light that I can bring closer to the table top and push it back when not in use. Regards Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? >Hi Byron et al, >On Saturday I had occasion to use Suzy Albrights "sink" to clean off a piece >of glass during her home show. Suzy has a shower stall floor mounted high >enough so no bending over is required. It felt terrific!!! It was large! It >was shallow! It was high up! It was everything you would ever want for >cleaning your glass!!! This I definitely recommend! Was happy with my double >stationary tubs in the basement until I used her "sink". Santa....are you >listening???! [not a chance.....:( ....] >Lenore >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 22:43:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:52:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio Nagger Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:52:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.165259.0> Precedence: bulk <> Too late I nailed her as soon the text settled on my monitor. (8-) BTW didn't I read somewhere someone was restoring gnomons. If I don't get bios quickly I'll need a transplant. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 22:45:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:59:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "Mike" Mikolajczak Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:58:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.165819.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Mike (he said enthusiastically), Gotcha, I don't believe I have a bio on you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 23:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:01:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Shop Ideas? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:00:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.20011.0> Precedence: bulk What?!! So many gizmos, so little work space?? = Hey, we hear you've been = knapping on the job again! Best regards, Dani Greer (overworked, tired, and very goofy!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 23:30:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:53:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: classi@sssnet.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hello from a beginner! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:37:18 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.53718.0> Precedence: bulk Karen, I'm so glad to hear that you've so quickly discovered that you've happened upon something quite exquisite. This list will, in time, introduce you to wonderfully talented and artistic(in the broadest sense, to include sensitivity) human beings, who happen to share a common love of the glass arts. As far as learning, there isn't a better place, unless you can take a few years off, or out of your current life. Some of these people are incredibly brilliant artisans, who as you've seen, don't hesitate lend a hand to even the most inexperienced. Once in a while, you'll encounter someone who obviously suffers from irregularity, as will be evident in some postings. The banter encountered here is often urbane, and witty, but always engaging. In addition to all I've learned, this list is an intellectual as well as artistic lift. Richard Callahan Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 23:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:43:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: jewelry Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:36:18 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.63618.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Just wanted to say thanks to all you folks that took the time to give me info about the jewelry catalog. Thanks for your time, Kathy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 8 23:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:43:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: This place is a wreck Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 00:50:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.185035.0> References: <<1998Dec8.16444.0>> Precedence: bulk > It is obvious that you didn't make enough to get your prosaic prescription > refilled. (8-) > DARN the luck! > The mess will be there tomorrow or the next day. Maybe in the house, but you just oughta see my little studio! ;o) All cleaned up and reorganised! Christmas lights hung around the ceiling, and large suncatchers hung in my north facing windows. Sold **all** my ornaments today, have one snowman left, and need to make 5 more to fill orders. Got one order for 10 ornaments at $10 each. > I did finish a 24"x24" carousel horse and when I picked it up to put it in > the frame .......... crack! OH Patrick!!!! Frit you say! You must be a nicer person than I. Hope it wasnt damaged too badly. Crack is an awful sound. > How about having a house cleaning party and invite all of your friends? Your invited! See you there? Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 00:10:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:49:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: This place is a wreck! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec8.19466.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Emeraldine, Are you talking about the stained glass cookies that are made with real cookie dough and hard candy? Do you have a recipe?? Does anyone? My neighbor at the cake shop used to make them every year and they really do look like stained glass windows! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 03:22:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:48:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hartley Wood (Was Hey, UKer's!) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:42:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.104251.0> Precedence: bulk At 15:19 08/12/98 -0500, Dani wrote: >Does anyone know the latest >on Hartley Wood glass? We >heard rumors here that the >employess might be firing up >the company and starting pro- >duction of glass again? Any >word? > Good news on Hartley Wood (at least for UK crafters) Just spoken to our main suppliers and have been told they expect delivery of H-W glass at the end of January. I am trying to get samples from them but this may take a while. Apparently production is under way now and they have sorted out their teething problems. No clues about pricing yet but it aint going to be cheap :-( So got to start saving up. They dont know if H-W are sending stocks across the pond, but when the news reporters were interviewing the head honcho months ago he said that most of their inventory was destined for export, so unless they have changed their plans you may have supplies before we do. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 05:53:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:56:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: MD6868@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hello from a beginner! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:48:05 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.12485.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/9/98 2:34:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, MD6868@aol.com writes: > this list is an intellectual as well as artistic > lift. Hey Guys, Great, now I have to pretend I have a brain as well as talent? Oh well, I can fake anything. One week, two days and I will have time to spend hours working on my glass, no more living vicariously. Think of all the questions I will have to ask you then!!! Take care all. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 06:14:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:59:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:56:35 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.125635.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/8/98 11:22:01 PM, YWAH36A@prodigy.com wrote: >>>has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? [...] > >---Mike Savad<< > >I would not buy the M-80 until you have checked out METAL running >pliars. I mean the ones with the adjustable set screw. I have 2 pair of metal running pliers and always go for the ones with the longer handles - better leverage for my slightly arthritic hand! Have never used the set screw though; I unscrewed it all the way until it stuck, because it kept screwing itself in and getting in the way. A real nuisance. I wish I could take it out completely, but it won't come out. I must confess though - when I saw "M-80" in the subject line, the first thing I thought of was those big firecrackers and I-forget-whose project with the random pieces of "sea glass"....... Sparks (no pun intended) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 06:54:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 05:53:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sssnet.com!classi From: "Karen L. Frangos" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Thank you so much! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:51:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.3515.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you for the warm welcome everyone. I certainly appreciate you all taking time for me when I am sure that this is one of your busiest times of the year. I suspect, however, that you use this group interaction as a diversion from glass to refresh yourselves as I use your craft as a diversion from the computer to refresh myself. I will give Patrick a bio as soon as I am inspired to write more about me. I had thought that I should get a written agreement from Patrick that he will not use these bio's for blackmail when and if times get tough. I have followed many of the links to your studios and I am totally humbled in your collective presence. Here is my first question: Since you are designing the perfect studio, I would like to know how high to make the perfect work table for me. I am 5'7". Do you sit at your table alot? Is a stool or a chair better? Oops. That was three questions. Karen mailto:classi@sssnet.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 07:14:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:06:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.34328.0> Precedence: bulk How about SYRACUSE.....[My oltomata...didn't learn much...] Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Klmxklm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Burnt orange was: Aggies & T Sippers >Hi: >If all of you Aggies, T Sippers and Vols would switch to being Florida State >fans, you wouldn't have to worry about orange or burnt orange!! Just a >suggestion!! >"Mike" Mikolajczak >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 07:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:05:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:55:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.35531.0> Precedence: bulk Have them and use them when breaking large pieces of ripple or heavy glass. It reaches far in to the piece. Yes they work. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 9:43 PM Subject: M-80 breaker >has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? i finally broke down, and i may >get one. i have the ringstar pliers, currently. is it difficult to use? >easy? i'm sure there's a learning curve to it, just like the ringstar... >is there any glass it can't do? ...except for drapery, or heavy >ripples, which i doubt would work anyway. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview >of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 07:38:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:41:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: classes in Cincinatti Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:32:54 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.143254.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri, I have a friend that owns a shop on the westside of town in Cincinnati,she has been around for quite awhile and I feel that she is the best .Her name is Kathy and her shop is the Glass Shack on Cheviot Rd., phone #385-4364. Another shop in the Tri County area is the Tiffany Art Glass Shop run by a very nice lady their phone #671-artt or 671-2788. Then their is a shop in Miamitown between Cinti and Harrison Oh. called Glass Creations and they are also very good always having what I call specialized classes on how to make an Angel for example as well as regular classes.Then finally on the East side of town their is a shop called the Stained glass center of Cinti, phone #831-3603, this one is new and I don't have any first hand experience with them so I really can't give them a thumbs up or down.depending on where she lives I think I covered all of the shops that have classes except one in Northern Ky. Kaleidoscope Glass Studio run by Cliff Kennedy you may have seen one of his books he has 2 pattern books published, phone#491-2222 There you have it that covers them all I believe. I have had dealings with all of these shops with the exception of the new one that I mentioned and any of them would be great for your freind. Tell her Good Luck and have fun . Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 07:44:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:15:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasshack From: Chris & Al Orowitz To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks & one more question Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:17:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.41753.0> References: <<199812081908_MC2-62E9-7DE1@compuserve.com>> Organization: The Glass Shack Precedence: bulk First I would like to say thanks to everyone who took the time to answer my question. I will continue to do it my way. Dani's answer below is basically what her reasoning was but I still don't like the way it looks when done. Now for my other question: I do quite a bit of small foil overlay - mostly eyes. I can't just use the solder blob as the eye has to be almond shaped as opposed to round. It also is two small to work with a piece of foil and then silicon it on ( at least for me). The problem is that sometimes the glass cracks and sometimes not. Now I realize the temp has a lot to do with this so on cold days I do try to warm it up first, but it doesn't always work. I do keep my iron temp very low. If I put a damp towel under it will that help or will I be creating more of a problem as far as temp variation? I would also like to say that I have been on this list, on and off, for about 4 years now and what I have learned from this group has been astounding. I really enjoy reading it. Thanks, Chris Orowitz glasshack@earthlink.net Dani Greer wrote: > Well, certainly doing it the way > your friend does would create > a stronger window since the > pin-space in between would > ensure that solder gets down > in between the glass creating a > matrix much like lead channel > with a true heart. Does that make > sense? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 08:06:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:15:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com, glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.3329.0> References: <<199812090318.WAA06356@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > >>has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? i finally broke down, and > i may > get one. i have the ringstar pliers, currently. is it difficult to > use? > easy? i'm sure there's a learning curve to it, just like the ringstar. > .. > is there any glass it can't do? ...except for drapery, or heavy > ripples, which i doubt would work anyway. > > ---Mike Savad<< > > I would not buy the M-80 until you have checked out METAL running > pliars. I mean the ones with the adjustable set screw. > > I used the M-80 for a period of time and then found that it just sat > around taking up space so I sold it as used. It works pretty good but > on heavy glass seems to have a built in problem. The tubler handles > bend slightly and store a lot of energy. When the glass starts to > break, this energy is transmitted to the glass and often the score > does not run true. > > With metal running pliars, the set screw can be set so that there is > no force transmitted after the glass starts to run. I only use the > set screw for difficult cuts. Use the metal breakers without setting > the screw for the majority of cuts because the alignment of the metal > runner jaws helps to part the score evenly. Plastic runners are not > an acceptable substitute for a good pair of metal runners as they > also store a lot of energy in the handles. > > I have a Ringstar and do not like it nearly as well as my metal > runners. I keep it around so I can demonstrate how it is inferior to > metal runners. > > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net but metal running pliers were only meant for straight lines, not curved. i was always under the impression that it was meant for careful breaking of deep curves. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 08:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:15:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Pat Kelly" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Bio Nagger Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:02:18 -0000 Message-ID: <199812091406.JAA08624@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk ><shortly >for a personal biography! He caught onto poor Ed right away.>> Too late I >nailed her >as soon the text settled on my monitor. (8-) > >BTW didn't I read somewhere someone was restoring gnomons. If I don't get >bios quickly I'll need a transplant. > Patrick: Good News! There's a new book out called SunTiles that includes a pre-made aluminum gnomon. This should solve your problem for a mere $15.95! Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 08:31:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:58:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Hartley Wood (Was Hey, UKer's!) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.45540.0> Precedence: bulk Well Hartley Wood is underproduction but...........won't be the same wonderful glass it used to be. All the old timers are gone and the new ones don't have the secrets! my best, pj -----Original Message----- From: studio@stainedglass.co.uk To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 6:43 AM Subject: Hartley Wood (Was Hey, UKer's!) >At 15:19 08/12/98 -0500, Dani wrote: >>Does anyone know the latest >>on Hartley Wood glass? We >>heard rumors here that the >>employess might be firing up >>the company and starting pro- >>duction of glass again? Any >>word? >> >Good news on Hartley Wood (at least for UK crafters) >Just spoken to our main suppliers and have been told they expect delivery of >H-W glass at the end of January. >I am trying to get samples from them but this may take a while. Apparently >production is under way now and they have sorted out their teething problems. >No clues about pricing yet but it aint going to be cheap :-( So got to >start saving up. >They dont know if H-W are sending stocks across the pond, but when the news >reporters were interviewing the head honcho months ago he said that most of >their inventory was destined for export, so unless they have changed their >plans you may have supplies before we do. >Elizabeth >Bournemouth Stained Glass >http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 08:47:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:08:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: non glass Christmas Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:15:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.31554.0> Precedence: bulk *GUESS THE CHRISTMAS SONG: * *1. Bleached Yule *2. Castaneous-colored Seed Vesicated in a Conflagration *3. Singular Yearning for the Twin Anterior Incisors *4. Righteous Darkness *5. Arrival Time: 2400 hrs - Weather: Cloudless *6. Loyal Followers Advance *7. Far Off in a Feeder *8. Array the Corridor *9. Bantam Male Percussionist *10. Monarchial Triad *11. Nocturnal Noiselessness *12. Jehovah Deactivate Blithe Chevaliers *13. Red Man En Route to Borough *14. Frozen Precipitation Commence *15. Proceed and Enlighten on the Pinnacle *16. The Quadruped with the Vermillion Probiscis *17. Query Regarding Identity of Descendant *18. Delight for this Planet *19. Give Attention to the Melodious Celestial Beings *20. The Dozen Festive 24 Hour Intervals -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 09:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:09:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: "Charles Spitzer" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:06:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.1614.0> Precedence: bulk i have both metal runners and ringstars, and yes, if you're using the ringstar in place of runners, that's why they are inferior. i don't think they're designed for the same purpose. the ringstar's work best, imho, when you have a deep inside curve, and you start in the middle of the curve rather than at the ends where it meets the edge of the glass. i find i can break the glass in the middle and work to the ends of the cut much better with very little wastage with these rather than starting at the edges with runners. i agree that the handles of both plastic runners and ringstars do store too much energy, and it's hard to know when to stop squeezing these tools. i think a better, but more expensive, product would be ringstars made out of metal, but having the same plastic tips. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com To: glass@bungi.com ; esavad@home.net ; glass@intrastar.net Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 8:18 PM Subject: M-80 breaker >>>has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? i finally broke down, and >i may >get one. i have the ringstar pliers, currently. is it difficult to >use? >easy? i'm sure there's a learning curve to it, just like the ringstar. >.. >is there any glass it can't do? ...except for drapery, or heavy >ripples, which i doubt would work anyway. > >---Mike Savad<< > >I would not buy the M-80 until you have checked out METAL running >pliars. I mean the ones with the adjustable set screw. > >I used the M-80 for a period of time and then found that it just sat >around taking up space so I sold it as used. It works pretty good but >on heavy glass seems to have a built in problem. The tubler handles >bend slightly and store a lot of energy. When the glass starts to >break, this energy is transmitted to the glass and often the score >does not run true. > >With metal running pliars, the set screw can be set so that there is >no force transmitted after the glass starts to run. I only use the >set screw for difficult cuts. Use the metal breakers without setting >the screw for the majority of cuts because the alignment of the metal >runner jaws helps to part the score evenly. Plastic runners are not >an acceptable substitute for a good pair of metal runners as they >also store a lot of energy in the handles. > >I have a Ringstar and do not like it nearly as well as my metal >runners. I keep it around so I can demonstrate how it is inferior to >metal runners. > >Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 09:21:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:47:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stained Glass Cookies Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:47:01 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199812091546.JAA23092@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Dani-- There was a photo in the coupons section of Sunday's paper (Chicago Tribune) with a note "look for Stained Glass Cookie recipe at www.fleishmanns.com." I've been trying all week, but keep getting the message that Netscape is unable to locate the server. Maybe somebody else could try (and let me know if they're successful). Kaye (Who only "suffers from irregularity," Richard, in frequency of emerging from lurkdom.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 09:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:24:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Soldering Question Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:21:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.52138.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Chris & Al Orowitz >I have been putting my pieces together since I started doing glass, which is about 7 yrs, and have not had any pieces break because of the way I do it.< Don't change your technique. It works well...keep doing it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 09:43:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:24:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mobiles Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.52127.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "suzy@comcat.com" >How big are the flamingoes? How do you make the hanging apparatus? I made a mobile out of old unmatched bevels & it sold this weekend. It = was the devil to keep from tangling up when packing & unpacking. I'm glad= = it's gone.< There are 3 flamingoes in different poses - one's standing on one leg, one is on the nest, one is flying. I ordered some acrylic mobile display= s from The Glass Eye Studio. They are a clear acrylic swirl with clear fishing line and earring hooks. The are used to display the Glass Eye's line of blown glass Christmas ornaments, but I also use them to construct= stained glass mobiles. I also have their 6-by and 12-by mobile displays.= Glad you sold lots of things. Maria Richmond tells me it was a wonderful= show. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 09:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:25:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: M-80 breaker Date: Wed Dec 9 07:25:20 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.5120.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks I agree with you about the M-80 and fireworks. There is a wonderful product called LockTite for keeping screws in. There should be no reason don't work to keep your set screw out. I generally run across it at hardware and sporting shops. Note: There are different grades of LockTite. I think you want the middle one. The top one is roughly equivalent to gluing the screw in place. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 7:57 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: M-80 breaker I have 2 pair of metal running pliers and always go for the ones with the longer handles - better leverage for my slightly arthritic hand! Have never used the set screw though; I unscrewed it all the way until it stuck, because it kept screwing itself in and getting in the way. A real nuisance. I wish I could take it out completely, but it won't come out. I must confess though - when I saw "M-80" in the subject line, the first thing I thought of was those big firecrackers and I-forget-whose project with the random pieces of "sea glass"....... Sparks (no pun intended) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 10:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:30:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Karen L. Frangos" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Thank you so much! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:18:12 -0000 Message-ID: <199812091522.KAA17400@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Karen writes: > > I will give Patrick a bio as soon as I am inspired to write more about me. >I had thought that I should get a written agreement from Patrick that he >will not use these bio's for blackmail when and if times get tough. > Very good idea, Karen. Patrick when desperate, has resorted to his basest instincts! >Here is my first question: Since you are designing the perfect studio, I >would like to know how high to make the perfect work table for me. I am >5'7". Do you sit at your table alot? Is a stool or a chair better? For cutting glass, the table should be about waist high. I have another table for sitting, that's your standard "banquet table" height. Suzannah P.S. And I keep my grinder (plug is ground default) in the sink, which is high and shallow, it's the bottom of a stall shower. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 10:06:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:25:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!moondancer44 From: "Linda Johnson" To: glass@bungi.com, pkelly@n-link.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: This place is a wreck Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:24:19 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.162419.0> Precedence: bulk I agree, Just take a deep breath and remember that this mess will wait for you but life goes on. Don't miss out on the enjoyable things in life just because you're worried about a mess you've left behind. You'll get to it when you can. Linda >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Tue Dec 8 22:28:27 1998 >Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23550; > Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:28:12 -0800 (PST) >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:51:23 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly >From: "Pat Kelly" >To: "bungi" >Content-Type: text/plain; >Subject: RE: This place is a wreck >Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:44:04 -0600 >Message-ID: <1998Dec8.16444.0> >Precedence: bulk > >It is obvious that you didn't make enough to get your prosaic prescription >refilled. (8-) > >Chill kid ..... just chill. The mess will be there tomorrow or the next day. > >I cleaned my garage last week and it looks like twister movie and all I did >was a little suncatcher and a few odds and ends. > >I did finish a 24"x24" carousel horse and when I picked it up to put it in >the frame .......... crack! > >OH Frit I said (yeah, yeah, that's what I said). That's my story and I'm >sticking to it. > >How about having a house cleaning party and invite all of your friends? > > > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 10:30:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:53:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Chris & Al Orowitz'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Thanks & one more question Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:51:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.65155.0> Precedence: bulk Chris, Yee ghads, sounds as if you are talking about itsy-bitsy foil overlays. I can't imagine why the glass would crack with that. I have used large overlays (more than a square inch) and have never had a cracking problem unless I had the glass under stress - like if I forced a 3-D object into square when my pieces weren't really square. But I've never had a crack on an overlay. The trick is to daub the lead on, not paint it on. I find if I stay too long, the glue releases and I no longer have an overlay. At any rate, I think putting a wet anything under your work would worsen the problem. Your mileage may vary. Others may disagree. Linda -----Original Message----- Now for my other question: I do quite a bit of small foil overlay - mostly eyes. I can't just use the solder blob as the eye has to be almond shaped as opposed to round. It also is two small to work with a piece of foil and then silicon it on ( at least for me). The problem is that sometimes the glass cracks and sometimes not. Now I realize the temp has a lot to do with this so on cold days I do try to warm it up first, but it doesn't always work. I do keep my iron temp very low. If I put a damp towel under it will that help or will I be creating more of a problem as far as temp variation? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 10:31:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:41:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: 'bout time! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:41:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.1413.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BE2358.09966CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although I DO deeply enjoy the "banter and non-glass posts", I am = willing to sacrifice the JOY it causes me. PLEASE (most of you can set = up a PRIVATE mailing list) confine it to conscripts of LIKE MIND (I am = NOT one). If this is TOO much of an imposition, I beseech, beg, cajole, = wheedle and so on to REMOVE me from your own list of recipients! Should someone slip and have something relevant, I do deeply look = forward to actually being exposed to it. To forestall any snide comments about my abusing and or using any = substances, my total usage is confined to a few Aleve and or Tylenol per = day (stock in JNJ) for acute arthritis. For the "newbies" who have not yet come to FULLY understand me, try the = archives, as my older communications are fairly consistent with this = post. I may have, over the years contributed a modicum of insights into lamp = making, and still enjoy answering questions. In the spirit of the impending holiday season, I remain H ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BE2358.09966CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Although I DO deeply = enjoy the=20 "banter and non-glass posts", I am willing to sacrifice the = JOY it=20 causes me. PLEASE (most of you can set up a PRIVATE mailing list) = confine it to=20 conscripts of LIKE MIND (I am NOT one). If this is TOO much of an = imposition, I=20 beseech, beg, cajole, wheedle and so on to REMOVE me from your own list = of=20 recipients!
Should someone slip and = have=20 something relevant, I do deeply look forward to actually being exposed = to=20 it.
To forestall any snide = comments about=20 my abusing and or using any substances, my total usage is confined to a = few=20 Aleve and or Tylenol per day (stock in JNJ) for acute = arthritis.
For the = "newbies" who have=20 not yet come to FULLY understand me, try the archives, as my older=20 communications are fairly consistent with this post.
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------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BE2358.09966CE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 10:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:58:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Stained Glass Cookies Date: Wed Dec 9 09:56:10 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.73210.0> Precedence: bulk I don't want to hear about any one making these for Christmas Vic "STAINED GLASS" COOKIE POPS FOR CHANUKAH 1/3 cup vegetable shortening 1/3 cup sugar 1 egg 3 cups flour (mixed with 1/2 tsp. baking soda) 1/2 teaspoon salt, optional 2/3 cup honey Lollipops or hard candies, several colors, crushed 12 craft sticks OVEN: 375 Foil lined cookie sheets Measure first 6 ingredients into the bowl. Mix till a soft dough is formed. Divide dough into 12 pieces. OUTLINES FOR COOKIES: Roll the dough between hands making snake shapes about 1/4- inch thick. Place rope on prepared cookie sheet and form into a design. (Shapes like dreidles, Jewish stars, etc...) NOTE: Be sure dough ends are completely pinched together as these will form the outline of the stained glass picture. Sprinkle the crushed candies inside the dough outlines, filling the spaces completely and heaping slightly. Carefully insert a craft stick into cookie, forming a "lollipop." Bake in oven for 8 to 10 minutes, watching carefully. Remove cookie sheets from oven and place on counter to cool. When cooled, gently peel off foil from each cookie pop. You will have created a beautiful created a stained glass effect! Wrap each cookie pop in plastic wrap. For gift giving, tie with a colorful ribbon. These cookies can easily be made by children (with careful supervision.) For other Hanukah recipes see http://www.eskimo.com/~jefffree/recipes/chaindex.htm For Christmas see http://rats2u.com/christmas/christmas_recipes.htm -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Sodt [mailto:kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 10:47 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass Cookies Dani-- There was a photo in the coupons section of Sunday's paper (Chicago Tribune) with a note "look for Stained Glass Cookie recipe at www.fleishmanns.com." I've been trying all week, but keep getting the message that Netscape is unable to locate the server. Maybe somebody else could try (and let me know if they're successful). Kaye (Who only "suffers from irregularity," Richard, in frequency of emerging from lurkdom.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 11:30:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:03:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: stained glass cookies Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:02:55 -0600 Message-ID: <199812091802.LAA26111@monkey.esosoft.net> References: <<1998Dec8.19466.0>> Precedence: bulk In a quick search, I found these: http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainGlssWndw.asp http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainedGlassCks.asp Didn't check to see if they're the same, but they're probably quite similar. Steph ~ Dani wrote: >Are you talking about the stained glass >cookies that are made with real cookie >dough and hard candy? Do you have >a recipe?? Does anyone? My neighbor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 11:30:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:38:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'M. Savad'" , "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:39:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.7397.0> Precedence: bulk Also, the metal pliers with the screw require that you have asignificant amount of wastage on the edge to pry against. The ringstar works with practically no margin of waste and in curves. The bump on the lower edge of my ringstars is wearing down and effects the accuracy of my breaks. I heard there was a way to renew this but it seems to be molded in soo..maybe I have to but new ones. Linda but metal running pliers were only meant for straight lines, not curved. i was always under the impression that it was meant for careful breaking of deep curves. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 11:56:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:05:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Cookies Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:04:24 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199812091804.MAA17850@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk > There was a photo in the coupons section of Sunday's paper > (Chicago Tribune) with a note "look for Stained Glass Cookie recipe > at www.fleishmanns.com." I've been trying all week, but keep > getting the message that Netscape is unable to locate the server. An Alta Vista search using "+stained +glass +cookie +recipe" as key words turned up http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainGlssWndw.asp http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StndglssSgrHrts.asp These didn't work for me, either (HTTP error 404)???? Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 12:02:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:11:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:18:17 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.51817.0> Precedence: bulk Can't answer that for you. But here they are easily available in junk shops. I specially frequent a shop that has second hand goods from hotels and restaurants. I have got some very good lamp bases from there. And I got a really cool garden set. A wrought iron table and four chairs. For an unbelievable price of RM 80.00 (US $ 19.74). Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: shakeel@tm.net.my Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? >Read your post, want to let you know I am so glad to see someone else besides >myself use the technical term "thingey". Back in the 60's and 70's kitchen >lamps that pulled down were popular, wonder if there are any at junk stores. > >Pat > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 12:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:14:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: WorkShop Ideas, Your Experiences, Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:49:06 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.4496.0> Precedence: bulk >> The shop ideas thread that going on now seems to quite interesting. How >> about an article of that nature in CG:C? In fact one of us could collect >> ideas from all the bungi people and sort it out to make more >readable. > >Sounds like a good idea, Shakeel. Are you volunteering? > >Albert Hi Guys, Read the above exchange? Care to give the less knowledgeable ones a christmas gift? Well, before a go "Yeah Sure" to Albert I would like your response. I will go back and collect all the ideas floated so far from the archives, but I would also like a direct tit-bit of your experience. Please mail me off group. The topic would go something like: MY WORKSHOP ............ You could add in anything that experience has taught you, anything that was not generally taught and anything that you invented to make your workshop a better place. Let me read my rights first, as a law abiding citizen of bungi land I have the right to badger you till I receive a reply. I will wait for the comments, ideas, experiences and such for a while [I will be lenient. Heck, it is the christmas mood, I give you all 48 hours before I go after each one you one by one. :-))] I have been fairly long with time with you guys, and I think I have the names and e-mail address of most, even if not, Albert has created a great archive for times like this.:-) So guys, I need your replies. Please. [ And Glenna, please forgive my trespassing, I may send this mail three or four times, just to make sure that every one has got it.] Thanks in Advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 12:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:27:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: This place is a wreck Date: Wed Dec 9 10:26:38 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.8238.0> Precedence: bulk The mess will wait and most likely grow while you relax. Child on the other hand don't wait. And they grow whether you watch them on not. Let the hands heal; spend time with the hubby and kid (if you don't have one this is good practice time) and forget the prosaic. Go with valium (I'm an old fashion guy) Vic PS Rumor has it that is a web site for Virtual Valium but I haven't found it yet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Kelly [mailto:pkelly@n-link.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 11:44 PM To: bungi Subject: RE: This place is a wreck It is obvious that you didn't make enough to get your prosaic prescription refilled. (8-) Chill kid ..... just chill. The mess will be there tomorrow or the next day. I cleaned my garage last week and it looks like twister movie and all I did was a little suncatcher and a few odds and ends. I did finish a 24"x24" carousel horse and when I picked it up to put it in the frame .......... crack! OH Frit I said (yeah, yeah, that's what I said). That's my story and I'm sticking to it. How about having a house cleaning party and invite all of your friends? Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 13:01:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:00:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Enough! Enough! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:50:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199812091859.SAA18008@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Come On Brian SHARE!!! I was quite intrigued!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in drizzly, busy Hertfordshire (UK) > Thanks again to all you lovely people! I have have twenty six complete > poems, one serialised version still running, and six websites! Poor Ed will > be going mad! > > PLEASE STOP! It's like a chain letter! > > (I haven't had next weeks Lottery numbers yet though!) > > Thanks a big bunch! > > Very best regards > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 13:03:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:04:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, esavad@home.net Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:36:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199812091836.NAA13754@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>but metal running pliers were only meant for straight lines, not curved. i was always under the impression that it was meant for careful breaking of deep curves. ---Mike Savad<< Shhhh, don't let my runners hear that they are only ment for straight cuts. For nice little tight curves I like to use them to start a run at each end. Once the score is started from each end there is little chance of the score failing to run true. I do not seem to have a need to cut horseshoe shapes but would use the runners in the same way. Get the Morton M-80 if you prefer breaking from the middle. For larger pieces I use the small ball on the end of an auto radio ariel as a breaking button. Use my hands or the Morton small breaker to apply force depending on the size of the piece. Needs a light table on opaque glass which the M-80 does not. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 13:05:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:22:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mobiles Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.92010.0> Precedence: bulk Yikes, I'm confused! Are we talking about real mobiles or mobile-like display units that hold lots of individual ornaments (?) I, too, made mobiles for Holiday Market at my co-op and they seem to be quite the hit! When they sell, they get attached to a piece of heavy matboard with a tracing of the mobile on it and wire connectors to hold each arm of the mobile in place. I don't know if that would work with ones that use fishline.... all my = spans and connectors are hammered copper so the parts are a little easier to handle. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 13:40:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:24:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: wt.net!sbross From: "Sarah Bross" To: "Bungi Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: STAINED GLASS COOKIES Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:22:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.72240.0> Precedence: bulk I found this on a recipe archive site (http://www.neosoft.com/recipes ): STAINED GLASS COOKIES Makes about 4 dozen 3-inch cookies 2 3/4 cups all-purpose flour 1/2 teaspoon baking powder 1/2 teaspoon salt 2/3 cup sugar 1 cup unsalted butter about half an egg, lightly beaten (2 teaspoons) 1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla extract 1/8 teaspoon lemon extract 1 package (1 cup) sour balls or Jolly Rogers or Lifesavers (any colorful hard sugar candy) Soften the butter. In a mixing bowl, cream together the sugar and butter until fluffy. Add the egg and extracts and beat until blended. In a small bowl, whisk together the remaining dry ingredients. On low speed, gradually add them to the butter mixture and mix just until the dough can be gathered into a ball. Scrape the dough onto a sheet of plastic wrap and use the wrap, not your fingers, to press the dough together to form a thick flat disc. Wrap it well and refrigerate for at least 30 minutes, preferably no longer than 3 hours. Place 2 oven racks in the upper and lower thirds of your oven and preheat the oven to 350 degrees F. Separate the sour balls into individual colors and pulverize them separately in a blender or food processor. Place each color in a small container and set aside. Using about a quarter of the dough at one time, roll out the dough to 1/8-inch thickness between two sheets of plastic wrap or on a lightly floured counter. Cut out cookies with a 3-inch cookie cutter, spraying or greasing the cutter as needed to prevent sticking. With a small, angled metal spatula or pancake turner, transfer the cookies to the prepared cookie sheets. If you are planning to hang the cookies, make small holes with the blunt end of a wooden skewer or with a soda straw. Cut out the shapes for the stained glass in each cookie with small cutters or with a small sharp knife. (I make extensive use of canape cutters.) Use the tip of a small sharp knife to fill the holes with candy pieces, filling just to the top of the dough. (If you fill the holes with too much candy, it will overflow onto the cookie.) Bake for 10 to 12 minutes or until the cookies are lightly browned and the candy has melted completely. For even baking, rotate the cookie sheets from top to bottom and front to back halfway through the baking period. Watch carefully toward the end of the baking time to see that the candy does not start to caramelize and turn brown. Allow the cookies to cool completely on the cookie sheets. Carefully peel off the aluminum foil. Store in an airtight container, between sheets of waxed paper, at room temperature. Keeps for several weeks. HINTS: Saran Wrap is the ideal plastic wrap for rolling the dough because it is heavy and it lies very flat. Waxed paper is the second choice. For precise cutouts, chill the dough after the impressions are made and remove the cutout dough with the tip of a sharp knife after the dough has firmed up enough for each cutout to come out in a clean piece. If you use a blender to pulverize the hard candy, drop the candy with the blender motor running to keep them from getting stuck under the blades. Allow the cookie sheet to cool completely before using it for another batch. Distribute the cookies evenly around the cookie sheet. Avoid crowding the cookies into one section of the cookie sheet, leaving a large area bare. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 13:54:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:24:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Karen L. Frangos" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Work table Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:19:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.91953.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Karen- No sitting at the work table at our = studio! It's considered very bad form. We have stools, but only the cats use them. Our upstairs tables are 38 inches high which is perfect for me (I'm 5'10"), but Michael could use these to be a few inches higher for his height. Also, I think it's easier for women to cut glass with a bit lower table. On the other hand, it saves your back to have a little higher table when you're building. Michael just pointed out to me that in our studio the height of the table depends on where you're measuring... it varies from 36 -38 inches - we have old and slightly sagging areas on the floors, so the tables have been = built to accomodate the valleys! And I thought I was just leaning to the left because I was overworked! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 14:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Howard" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 'bout time! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:27:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.92720.0> Precedence: bulk For Howard and Ed's sake, let's mark the subject line NG (Non-glass) on the fun and personable banter. Then they can learn to use their delete keys without much thought. Non-Glass: Happy holidays. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 14:26:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:44:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 'bout time! Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 14:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.9466.0> References: <<1998Dec9.1413.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk rec'd this empty message, so my reponse is - HUH????? -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 14:31:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:01:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: non glass Christmas Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:05:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.4536.0> References: <<1998Dec9.31554.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk HOW DID I DO?????? > *1. Bleached Yule White Christmas > *2. Castaneous-colored Seed Vesicated in a Conflagration Chestnuts roasting on an open fire? > *3. Singular Yearning for the Twin Anterior Incisors All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth > *4. Righteous Darkness O holy night > *5. Arrival Time: 2400 hrs - Weather: Cloudless On a midnight clear > *6. Loyal Followers Advance Onward Christian Solders???? > *7. Far Off in a Feeder Away in a manager > *8. Array the Corridor Deck the Halls > *9. Bantam Male Percussionist Little drummer boy > *10. Monarchial Triad We three kings > *11. Nocturnal Noiselessness Silent Night > *12. Jehovah Deactivate Blithe Chevaliers God rest ye merry gentleman?? > *13. Red Man En Route to Borough Santa Claus is coming to town > *14. Frozen Precipitation Commence Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow > *15. Proceed and Enlighten on the Pinnacle > *16. The Quadruped with the Vermillion Probiscis Rudolph the red nosed reindeer > *17. Query Regarding Identity of Descendant What child is this > *18. Delight for this Planet Joy to the world > *19. Give Attention to the Melodious Celestial Beings Hark the hearld angels sing > *20. The Dozen Festive 24 Hour Intervals The twelve days of Christmas > > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 14:42:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:21:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass cookies Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:25:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.42559.0> References: <<199812091802.LAA26111@monkey.esosoft.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Same site, but very different ingredients!! Stephanie wrote: > > In a quick search, I found these: > > http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainGlssWndw.asp > http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainedGlassCks.asp > > Didn't check to see if they're the same, but they're probably quite similar. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 14:45:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:09:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: very much non glass Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:13:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.51357.0> References: <<366B608D.760E@presys.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > > Woman Santa? > > I hate to be the one to defy sacred myth, but I believe he's a she. > think about it. Christmas is a big, organized, warm, fuzzy, > nurturing, social deal, and I have a tough time believing a guy could > possibly pull it off. > > For starters, the vast majority of men don't even think about > selecting gifts until Christmas Eve. It's as if they are all frozen in > some kind of Ebenezerian Time Warp until 3 P.M. on December > 24th, when they--with amazing calm--call other errant men and plan > for a last-minute shopping spree. > > Once at the mall, they always seem surprised to find only Ronco > products, socket-wrench sets, and mood rings left on the shelves. > (You might think this would send them into a fit of panic and guilt, > but my husband tells me it's an enormous relief because it lessens > the 11th-hour decision-making burden.) On this count alone, I'm > convinced Santa is a woman. Surely, if he were a man, everyone > in the universe would wake up on Christmas morning to find a > rotating, musical Chia Pet under the tree, still in the bag. > > Another problem for a he-Santa would be getting there. First of all, > there would be no reindeer because they would all be dead, gutted, > and strapped to the rear bumper of the sleigh amid wide-eyed, > desperate claims that buck season had been extended. Blitzen's > rack would already be on the way to the taxidermist. > > Even if the male Santa DID have reindeer, he'd still have > transportation problems because he would inevitably get lost there > in the snow and clouds and then refuse to stop and ask for > directions. > > Other reasons why Santa can't possibly be a man: > *Men can't pack a bag. > *Men would rather be dead than caught wearing red velvet. > *Men would feel their masculinity was threatened to be seen > with all those elves. > > ___________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 15:59:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:23:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, lcbell@memach.com Subject: RE: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:54:51, -0500 Message-ID: <199812092054.PAA08560@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >> The bump on the lower edge of my ringstars is wearing down and effects the accuracy of my breaks. I heard there was a way to renew this but it seems to be molded in soo..maybe I have to but new ones. Linda<< The Ringstar upper and lower jaw inserts pop out for replacement. Mad Dog, a US west coast wholesaler, carries them for $1.35 a set. I replaced my inserts without difficulty. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 16:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:28:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The Fortnight Before Christmas Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 14:31:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.63136.0> References: <<199812092135.OAA29409@www.sandbox.net>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Sorry this is an ad, but I thought it was cute and it goes with a previous thread Sandbox Member Services wrote: > > 'Twas the fortnight before Christmas and all through the Shop, > the gifts were a flurry as the prices did drop. > > Team Bears wore their sweaters with logos and names, > of their owners who showed spirit and rooted for games. > > Baseballs with the autographs of Yankees and more, > were finding new homes from their place in the store. > > And now, for the folks who are into hardware. > We've found some great deals you can't get anywhere! > > On Scanner, on Printer! We've lowered the price. > We've bought some ourselves 'cause we've found them so nice. > > Stuffing your stockings used to be quite a feat. > But, stuffing your files with a Zip drive is neat. > > And top it all off with some software to play. > You can take all you want, but order today! > > The story is ended and the moral is clear: > Better get your gifts now, for it's the end of the year. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 16:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Stephanie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: stained glass cookies Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.122850.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks, Stephanie and everyone else for the stained glass cookie recipes! Now, I hope to get a few hours before the big day to actually bake a few! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 17:00:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:44:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi com" , "Stephanie" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass cookies Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:43:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.104348.0> Precedence: bulk Too late Stephanie. I would really like your bio, or the Grinch will leave nothing but black glass in your stocking. -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:06 PM Subject: stained glass cookies >In a quick search, I found these: > >http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainGlssWndw.asp >http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainedGlassCks.asp > >Didn't check to see if they're the same, but they're probably quite similar. > >Steph ~ > > >Dani wrote: >>Are you talking about the stained glass >>cookies that are made with real cookie >>dough and hard candy? Do you have >>a recipe?? Does anyone? My neighbor > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 19:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:44:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi com" , "Stephanie" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass cookies Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:43:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.104348.0> Precedence: bulk Too late Stephanie. I would really like your bio, or the Grinch will leave nothing but black glass in your stocking. -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:06 PM Subject: stained glass cookies >In a quick search, I found these: > >http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainGlssWndw.asp >http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/StainedGlassCks.asp > >Didn't check to see if they're the same, but they're probably quite similar. > >Steph ~ > > >Dani wrote: >>Are you talking about the stained glass >>cookies that are made with real cookie >>dough and hard candy? Do you have >>a recipe?? Does anyone? My neighbor > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 19:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Stephanie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: stained glass cookies Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.122850.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks, Stephanie and everyone else for the stained glass cookie recipes! Now, I hope to get a few hours before the big day to actually bake a few! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 20:02:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:47:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!IreneMerm From: IreneMerm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Recipes-R-Us] TW Stained Glass Candy Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:27:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.222726.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/09/98 12:39:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, JGreene274@aol.com writes: Hi Everyone, Someone mentioned that they wanted a recipe for a stained glass cookie. So far I haven't found that but I did stumble upon a stained glass candy recipe. Hope this helps. Best wishes to all of you for wonderful holidays. Irene Mermelstein << Stained Glass Candy Recipe By : Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00 Categories : None Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 3 3/4 cups white sugar 1 1/2 cups Lily white syrup (or Karo -- must be colorless) 1 cup water food coloring oil based flavorings (I use Wilton's) 1 tin foil icing sugar (approx 10 cups) (can be re-used over and over) sharp pair of scissors candy thermometer volunteers to help cut! Mix the white sugar, white syrup, and water in a medium sized pot. Add the food coloring you want (green for spearmint, orange for orange) Bring to a boil, and boil until candy thermometer reaches 300F degrees. (Can take up to 20 minutes) Stir to mix all the ingredients, but once it starts to boil, do not touch. Pot must be big enough to allow for double, as it rises as it boils While the candy mixture is boiling, shape a large piece of tin foil by folding up the sides and ends. (I use the large foil about 3 feet long) to create a large cookie sheet type shape. Put the icing sugar on the foil to completely cover it, and bank up the sides with icing sugar. When the candy mixture has reached 300F, remove from heat. Let sit about 10 seconds and stir to cool slightly (heavy emphasis on SLIGHTLY) Then add about 1 to 1-1/2 tsp of the oil based flavorings depending on how strong you want the flavor. Stir until mixed (may boil a bit and DON'T stand over top of pot as flavor with escape in the air and up your nose!! 8-} ) Once flavoring is combined, pour mixture onto the icing sugar and use rubber spatula to scrape all mixture out of pot. Put pot, spatula and candy thermometer into sinkful of hot soapy water. If you allow it to harden you won't be saying nice things about me at all!! 8-} As candy is cooling, keep checking by trying to pull up the edges. Once it gets to the consistency that you can lift it a little, start cutting it FAST! I cut off a chunk and then cut it up into bite-sized pieces. The outside will cool first so you have to watch it. If it hardens to quickly you will end up with a good size lollipop that you won't be able to cut. It will shatter like glass. Continue working your way around until all is cut. Then I take all the candy and put it in a strainer that is sitting over a bowl. Shake some of the excess icing sugar off candy and allow to cool thoroughly. Pack in airtight containers. I find Zip-Loc Freezer bags pretty good. This recipe makes about 2 lbs candy. Once I have done all the flavors that I want, then I set up all the bags and put about 10 of each flavor into a smaller zip-loc and seal. They make great Christmas gifts for family and all the various people you give to....mailman, garbage man, paperboy, school teachers, your kids friends..etc. I figure if the kids have to help me cut, they get some to give to their friends.. Besides.. makes a good bribe to get them to help!! >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 20:20:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:48:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: "Karen L. Frangos" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Thank you so much! Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.124648.0> References: <<1998Dec9.3515.0>> Precedence: bulk Karen L. Frangos wrote: > > Thank you for the warm welcome everyone. I certainly appreciate you all > taking time for me when I am sure that this is one of your busiest times of > the year. I suspect, however, that you use this group interaction as a > diversion from glass to refresh yourselves as I use your craft as a > diversion from the computer to refresh myself. > > I will give Patrick a bio as soon as I am inspired to write more about me. > I had thought that I should get a written agreement from Patrick that he > will not use these bio's for blackmail when and if times get tough. > > I have followed many of the links to your studios and I am totally humbled > in your collective presence. > > Here is my first question: Since you are designing the perfect studio, I > would like to know how high to make the perfect work table for me. I am > 5'7". Do you sit at your table alot? Is a stool or a chair better? > > Oops. That was three questions. > > Karen > mailto:classi@sssnet.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my bench is about 38" high, that's pretty good. i stand when cutting, and try to sit when soldering, depending how large the project is. you'll have to experiment with the heights. you don't want to bend your back too much. but at the same time you still need the leverage for a good cut. my bench is slightly to high, i've gotten used to it, so it's ok for me. if it's too high you may lose the advantage in your arm at that height. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 20:31:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:49:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.12481.0> References: <<1998Dec9.35531.0>> Precedence: bulk Granny And PawPaw wrote: > > Have them and use them when breaking large pieces of ripple or heavy glass. > It reaches far in to the piece. Yes they work. > > Arnold > > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Savad > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 9:43 PM > Subject: M-80 breaker > > >has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? i finally broke down, and i may > >get one. i have the ringstar pliers, currently. is it difficult to use? > >easy? i'm sure there's a learning curve to it, just like the ringstar... > >is there any glass it can't do? ...except for drapery, or heavy > >ripples, which i doubt would work anyway. > > > >---Mike Savad > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > >11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview > >of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass so it does work on ripple? are we talking wissmach rippple, spectrum, or kokomo? (ripple density's)... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 20:58:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:49:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!IreneMerm From: IreneMerm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: another night before Christmas Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:39:35 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec9.223935.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/09/98 8:36:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, Shyoldude writes: Hi again. I stumbled on this in a newsletter that I receive and thought that it might be cute to send to you all. A nice addition to the standard we have already received. :) Irene << 'Twas the night before Christmas... (politically correct version!) 'Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck... How to live in a world that's politically correct? His workers no longer would answer to "Elves", "Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves. And labor conditions at the north pole Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul. Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety, Released to the wilds by the Humane Society. And equal employment had made it quite clear That Santa had better not use just reindeer. So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid, Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid! The runners had been removed from his sleigh; The ruts were termed dangerous by the E.P.A. And people had started to call for the cops When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops. Second-hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite frightened. His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened." And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows, Rudolf was suing over unauthorized use of his nose And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation, Demanding millions in over-due compensation. So, half of the reindeer were gone; and his wife, Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life, Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz, Demanding from now on her title was Ms. And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion That making a choice could cause so much commotion. Nothing of leather, nothing of fur, Which meant nothing for him. And nothing for her. Nothing that might be construed to pollute. Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot. Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise. Nothing for just girls. Or just for the boys. Nothing that claimed to be gender specific. Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific. No candy or sweets...they were bad for the tooth. Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth. And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden, Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden. For they raised the hackles of those psychological Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological. No baseball, no football...someone could get hurt; Besides, playing sports exposed kids to dirt. Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe; And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away. So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed; He just could not figure out what to do next. He tried to be merry, tried to be gay, But you've got to be careful with that word today. His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground; Nothing fully acceptable was to be found. Something special was needed, a gift that he might Give to all without angering the left or the right. A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision, Each group of people, every religion; Every ethnicity, every hue, Everyone, everywhere...even you. So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth... "May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth." >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 21:22:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:55:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Chris & Al Orowitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Thanks & one more question Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:53:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.125321.0> References: <<1998Dec9.41753.0>> Precedence: bulk Chris & Al Orowitz wrote: > > First I would like to say thanks to everyone who took the time to answer > my question. I will continue to do it my way. Dani's answer below is > basically what her reasoning was but I still don't like the way it > looks when done. > > Now for my other question: I do quite a bit of small foil overlay - > mostly eyes. I can't just use the solder blob as the eye has to be > almond shaped as opposed to round. It also is two small to work with a > piece of foil and then silicon it on ( at least for me). The problem is > that sometimes the glass cracks and sometimes not. Now I realize the > temp has a lot to do with this so on cold days I do try to warm it up > first, but it doesn't always work. I do keep my iron temp very low. If > I put a damp towel under it will that help or will I be creating more of > a problem as far as temp variation? > > I would also like to say that I have been on this list, on and off, for > about 4 years now and what I have learned from this group has been > astounding. I really enjoy reading it. > Thanks, > Chris Orowitz > glasshack@earthlink.net > > Dani Greer wrote: > > > Well, certainly doing it the way > > your friend does would create > > a stronger window since the > > pin-space in between would > > ensure that solder gets down > > in between the glass creating a > > matrix much like lead channel > > with a true heart. Does that make > > sense? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass when i do a foil overlay, i always try not to do it on the glass. the glass will usually fracture. most of the times it's heat, other times it's a invisible defect in the glass. i place the foil down (thick foil - non sticky), on a piece of stone. apply flux, then carefully apply the solder. holding down a corner carefully helps hold it down, though you'll have to reshape the plier dent. if you have to do it on the glass, do it very fast. flux, quickly solder. apply the solder to the tip, and let it drip on (or flow on). it might help if you use 63/37 and to blow on it. the blowing may help cool it down fast enough. this will only work on 1/4" or smaller eyes. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 21:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:58:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:56:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.125621.0> References: <<1998Dec9.1614.0>> Precedence: bulk Charles Spitzer wrote: > > i have both metal runners and ringstars, and yes, if you're using the > ringstar in place of runners, that's why they are inferior. i don't think > they're designed for the same purpose. > > the ringstar's work best, imho, when you have a deep inside curve, and you > start in the middle of the curve rather than at the ends where it meets the > edge of the glass. i find i can break the glass in the middle and work to > the ends of the cut much better with very little wastage with these rather > than starting at the edges with runners. > > i agree that the handles of both plastic runners and ringstars do store too > much energy, and it's hard to know when to stop squeezing these tools. i > think a better, but more expensive, product would be ringstars made out of > metal, but having the same plastic tips. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com > To: glass@bungi.com ; esavad@home.net ; > glass@intrastar.net > Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 8:18 PM > Subject: M-80 breaker > > >>>has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? i finally broke down, and > >i may > >get one. i have the ringstar pliers, currently. is it difficult to > >use? > >easy? i'm sure there's a learning curve to it, just like the ringstar. > >.. > >is there any glass it can't do? ...except for drapery, or heavy > >ripples, which i doubt would work anyway. > > > >---Mike Savad<< > > > >I would not buy the M-80 until you have checked out METAL running > >pliars. I mean the ones with the adjustable set screw. > > > >I used the M-80 for a period of time and then found that it just sat > >around taking up space so I sold it as used. It works pretty good but > >on heavy glass seems to have a built in problem. The tubler handles > >bend slightly and store a lot of energy. When the glass starts to > >break, this energy is transmitted to the glass and often the score > >does not run true. > > > >With metal running pliars, the set screw can be set so that there is > >no force transmitted after the glass starts to run. I only use the > >set screw for difficult cuts. Use the metal breakers without setting > >the screw for the majority of cuts because the alignment of the metal > >runner jaws helps to part the score evenly. Plastic runners are not > >an acceptable substitute for a good pair of metal runners as they > >also store a lot of energy in the handles. > > > >I have a Ringstar and do not like it nearly as well as my metal > >runners. I keep it around so I can demonstrate how it is inferior to > >metal runners. > > > >Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i had to re-teach myself to use the ringstars. too much pressure and the glass will explode. metal runners are only meant for straight lines. currently it's a toss up between the morton system with button, or the m-80. i may actually get the morton instead, because there are a few things i like about it. though i'm still not sure what's the best way to clean it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 21:42:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:58:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:57:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.125727.0> References: <<01BE2370.EA2BC940.lcbell@memach.com>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Also, the metal pliers with the screw require that you have asignificant > amount of wastage on the edge to pry against. The ringstar works with > practically no margin of waste and in curves. The bump on the lower edge of > my ringstars is wearing down and effects the accuracy of my breaks. I heard > there was a way to renew this but it seems to be molded in soo..maybe I > have to but new ones. > > Linda > > but metal running pliers were only meant for straight lines, not curved. > i was always under the impression that it was meant for careful breaking > of deep curves. > > ---Mike Savad as i understand it you can get replacement parts. the point pulls out. i don't know how much they cost though... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 21:43:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:39:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:34:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec9.73454.0> References: <<1998Dec8.141835.0>> Precedence: bulk Mike: Go ahead and get the M80, you will find it will pay for itself by the savings you get in breaking glass...especially those with curves and multiple curved areas. I waited several years before I saw a demo in its use. I definitely recommend having it available even though I only use it occassionally. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 21:43:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:49:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG & 'bout time! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.134759.0> Precedence: bulk Just curious Dani......Thought you were going to be able to type all the way across the page soon. What gives?? Karen >For Howard and Ed's sake, let's >mark the subject line NG (Non-glass) >on the fun and personable banter. >Then they can learn to use their >delete keys without much thought. > >Non-Glass: Happy holidays. > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >www.igga.org/greer/ = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 21:46:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:01:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mobiles Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.133147.0> Precedence: bulk Dani, Yes, it's a mobile. As in, it moves. I finished the three flamingoes mobile today. Looks TOTALLY AWSOME, if I do humbly say so. The acrylic mobile hanging mechanism has the fishing line spaced so that the 3 flamingoes do not bump into each other. As to the 6-by and 12-by mobile holders, they have one acrylic "holder" at the top, and then different length fishing line dropping down from the acrylic holder. = Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 21:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:02:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Detail work Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:31:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.133135.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Chris & Al Orowitz >Now for my other question: I do quite a bit of small foil overlay - mostly eyes. I can't just use the solder blob as the eye has to be almond shaped as opposed to round. It also is two small to work with a piece of foil and then silicon it on ( at least for me). The problem is that sometimes the glass cracks and sometimes not.< How about using a dremel/engraver to engrave the eye shape into the glass, and then color it in with a Sharpie permanant pen? I sometimes do that to give details when soldering foil overlay just won't do. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:00:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:30:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 'bout time! Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:33:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.13331.0> References: <<1998Dec9.9466.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > > rec'd this empty message, so my reponse is - HUH????? > -- > Adults are obsolete children > Theodore Geisel > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass oh good you got a blank one too... i thought it was just me. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:03:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:36:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Thanks & one more question Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:58:08 -0800 Message-ID: <199812092358.PAA02245@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Chris, > >Yee ghads, sounds as if you are talking about itsy-bitsy foil overlays. I >can't imagine why the glass would crack with that. I have used large >overlays (more than a square inch) and have never had a cracking problem >unless I had the glass under stress - like if I forced a 3-D object into >square when my pieces weren't really square. But I've never had a crack on >an overlay. The trick is to daub the lead on, not paint it on. I find if I >stay too long, the glue releases and I no longer have an overlay. At any >rate, I think putting a wet anything under your work would worsen the >problem. I do large foil overlays on some of my panels and have no cracking problems as long as I place a couple of layers of damp rags underneath the overlay area. That way I can have a large "pool" of molten solder that will harden reasonably smoothly over the whole overlay area and the glass underneath does NOT crack. Hope this helps Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:04:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:08:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HUSKYGATOR From: HUSKYGATOR@aol.com To: shakeel@tm.net.my, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: WorkShop Ideas, Your Experiences, Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:52:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec10.05256.0> Precedence: bulk I think that is a great idea! Everyone has given such great ideas; I've shared a couple of them with my husband who will still be able to incorporate a couple of them before it is too late. Great suggestions. Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:10:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:56:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: subscribe me Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:55:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.145554.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was off a day and miss the e-mail. Thanks Eljay ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was off a day and miss the = e-mail. =20 Thanks Eljay
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:15:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:56:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Sarah Bross" , "Bungi Glass List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: STAINED GLASS COOKIES Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:22:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.132253.0> Precedence: bulk Hey Cookie Lady! Have I received a bio from you? If not please submit one or I'll be forced to crumble your cookies. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:19:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:05:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NG:Christmas songs quiz Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.142640.0> Precedence: bulk Pretty good, Shirley. I'm so fried right now that I got to No. 13 before I figured out we weren't trying to figure out just one song!! I need a = vacation bad! Happy Hols! Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:53:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: More info on lead poisoning in children Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:56:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.105659.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Childhood lead damage only partly reversible December 9, 1998 NEW YORK (Reuters Health) -- Neurological damage linked with high exposure to environmental lead during the first two years of life is only partially reversed by a decline in blood lead levels during later childhood, researchers report. Dr. Richard J. Jackson, Director of the National Center for Environmental Health at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta told Reuters Health that the finding "really emphasizes why prevention (of) lead exposure in the first place is so important." In the study, published in the December 9th issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association, investigators led by Dr. Shilu Tong of the Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, Australia tested the IQ and mental development of 375 lead-exposed children, from age 2 through age 13 years. All of the children lived in Port Pirie, South Australia, described by the authors as the "site of one of the largest lead smelting facilities in the southern hemisphere." By age 2, the children had dangerously high blood levels of lead averaging 21.2 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood. However, by the time they reached 11 to 13 years of age, this level had declined to an average 7.9 micrograms per deciliter. The authors discovered, however, that "cognitive (learning) deficit in the group with higher exposure changed little with age, even though blood levels declined substantially after age 2 years." They speculate that early lead-related neurological damage might be "reversible only below a threshold level." Most of the children in the study may have exceeded that threshold, the authors theorize, resulting in irreversible harm. Although the use of lead in products such as gasoline and paint has been banned for decades, potential sources of contamination (such as flaking paint in older dwellings, or lead-bearing water pipes) can still have serious effects on human health, especially in children. But in an interview with Reuters Health, Jackson stressed that parents of children exposed to lead should not feel hopeless. "There's a lot you can do for a child who's already been lead poisoned," he explained. "Give them calcium, remove lead from the environment, get them good schooling." But "it's better not to have been exposed in the first place, that's what this study is saying," Jackson added. SOURCE: The Journal of the American Medical Association 1998;280:1915-1919. Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:27:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:57:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Kaye Sodt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass Cookies Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:16:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.101626.0> References: <<199812091546.JAA23092@relay.acns.nwu.edu>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Kaye Sodt wrote: > > Dani-- > > There was a photo in the coupons section of Sunday's paper > (Chicago Tribune) with a note "look for Stained Glass Cookie recipe > at www.fleishmanns.com." I've been trying all week, but keep > getting the message that Netscape is unable to locate the server. > Maybe somebody else could try (and let me know if they're > successful). > > Kaye > (Who only "suffers from irregularity," Richard, in frequency of > emerging from lurkdom.) > ---- > dont have the actual recipe but the general idea is to us a sugar cookie dough, cut out shapes and cut smaller shapes inside the cookies then fill those with crushed hard candy which bakes into something vaguely resembling stained glass Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:28:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:32:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non glassTequila, I know you thought this thread was done Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:24:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.112432.0> References: <<1998Dec7.15956.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk One Tequila Two Tequila Three Tequila Floor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:28:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:33:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 'bout time! (NG) and the delete key and filters and cookies and...and... Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:10:18 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec10.31018.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/9/98 8:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: > For Howard and Ed's sake, let's > mark the subject line NG (Non-glass) > on the fun and personable banter. > Then they can learn to use their > delete keys without much thought. If I am not mistaken some software has the ability to filter newgroup postings. Marking them NG is an excellent idea, the art metal people use YAK, works well, on my good days I read it all, on my bad days I only read the YAK. When you have 300 e mails waiting to be read the subject sure can help you follow a thread. Take care all, one week and one day and I get to play with my glass. Oh, that reminds me, could you guys send me some of the cookies, I don't have time to make any really really want some now. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 22:40:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:39:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: 'bout time! (NG) and the delete key and filters and cookies and...and... Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:37:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.173743.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Pat- I though you were baking the cookies for the bungi group this year! ;-) Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 23:03:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:35:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: non glass Christmas Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:29:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.19296.0> References: <<1998Dec9.4536.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > HOW DID I DO?????? > > > *15. Proceed and Enlighten on the Pinnacle - Go tell it on the mounta= in > They're all hymns, just not all Christmas oriented > > -- > > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > x=9F>"3=16=01=06=90=08 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 9 23:50:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:58:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: NG Christmas Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:22:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199812100122.UAA19125@smtp3.erols.com> Precedence: bulk ooops you forgot 15 *15. Proceed and Enlighten on the Pinnacle Go tell it on the mountain! Hey that was fun! Dee >HOW DID I DO?????? >> *1. Bleached Yule White Christmas >> *2. Castaneous-colored Seed Vesicated in a Conflagration Chestnuts roasting on an open fire? >> *3. Singular Yearning for the Twin Anterior Incisors All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth >> *4. Righteous Darkness O holy night >> *5. Arrival Time: 2400 hrs - Weather: Cloudless On a midnight clear >> *6. Loyal Followers Advance Onward Christian Solders???? >> *7. Far Off in a Feeder Away in a manager >> *8. Array the Corridor Deck the Halls >> *9. Bantam Male Percussionist Little drummer boy >> *10. Monarchial Triad We three kings >> *11. Nocturnal Noiselessness Silent Night >> *12. Jehovah Deactivate Blithe Chevaliers God rest ye merry gentleman?? >> *13. Red Man En Route to Borough Santa Claus is coming to town >> *14. Frozen Precipitation Commence Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow >> *15. Proceed and Enlighten on the Pinnacle >> *16. The Quadruped with the Vermillion Probiscis Rudolph the red nosed reindeer >> *17. Query Regarding Identity of Descendant What child is this >> *18. Delight for this Planet Joy to the world >> *19. Give Attention to the Melodious Celestial Beings Hark the hearld angels sing >> *20. The Dozen Festive 24 Hour Intervals The twelve days of Christmas >>=20 >> -- >> ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >--=20 >x=9F>"3=16=01=06=90=08 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 00:51:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:45:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:37:36 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.233736.0> Precedence: bulk Yup it sure was published in CG:C. A link to it is also found in Mike's site. But that article deals only with workbench anf not the whole workshop. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: Shakeel Abedi Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 3:21 AM Subject: Re: Shop Ideas? Shakeel- Check the CG:G articles in the past year on the IGGA site.... if I recall correctly, someone did in fact design an ergonomic glass workshop for a college class and that paper was published. Not all of it I agree with.... but, it was a good starting point. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 01:22:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:45:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Workshop Ideas, Your Experiences Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:58:55 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.235855.0> Precedence: bulk The clock is ticking and I have no replies yet. Patrick, teach me how you nab the guys? Hi Guys, Read the above exchange? Care to give the less knowledgeable ones a christmas gift? Well, before a go "Yeah Sure" to Albert I would like your response. I will go back and collect all the ideas floated so far from the archives, but I would also like a direct tit-bit of your experience. Please mail me off group. The topic would go something like: MY WORKSHOP ............ You could add in anything that experience has taught you, anything that was not generally taught and anything that you invented to make your workshop a better place. Let me read my rights first, as a law abiding citizen of bungi land I have the right to badger you till I receive a reply. I will wait for the comments, ideas, experiences and such for a while [I will be lenient. Heck, it is the christmas mood, I give you all 48 hours before I go after each one you one by one. :-))] I have been fairly long with time with you guys, and I think I have the names and e-mail address of most, even if not, Albert has created a great archive for times like this.:-) So guys, I need your replies. Please. [ And Glenna, please forgive my trespassing, I may send this mail three or four times, just to make sure that every one has got it.] Thanks in Advance. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 01:49:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:45:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Work table Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:01:09 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.2319.0> Precedence: bulk There is a very good write up on the Ergonomics of Workshop at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/arthurs.and.willis/Glass.htm Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: Karen L. Frangos Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 6:19 AM Subject: Work table >Hi Karen- > >No sitting at the work table at our = > >studio! It's considered very bad >form. We have stools, but only >the cats use them. Our upstairs >tables are 38 inches high which >is perfect for me (I'm 5'10"), but >Michael could use these to be >a few inches higher for his height. >Also, I think it's easier for women >to cut glass with a bit lower table. >On the other hand, it saves your >back to have a little higher table >when you're building. > >Michael just pointed out to me that >in our studio the height of the table >depends on where you're measuring... >it varies from 36 -38 inches - we have >old and slightly sagging areas on >the floors, so the tables have been = > >built to accomodate the valleys! And >I thought I was just leaning to the left >because I was overworked! > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >www.igga.org/greer/ = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 02:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:15:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: non glass Christmas Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:23:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.202313.0> References: <<1998Dec9.4536.0>> Precedence: bulk > > *6. Loyal Followers Advance Onward Christian Solders???? Close..."Oh come all ye faithful. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 02:33:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:18:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Linda Johnson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: This place is a wreck Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:26:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec9.202610.0> References: <<1998Dec9.162419.0>> Precedence: bulk Maybe I can get some prozac after all Patrick. Is it fun? ;-P~ Have sold all my ornaments now...need 5 more...got an order for 2 stones today, plus have 2 women coming tomorrow to see ornaments....so I quickly whipped some up! ;o) Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 03:11:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:10:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Dani Greer Subject: Re: Hey, UKer's! Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:39:04 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.8394.0> References: <<1998Dec8.101921.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Dani, When I was in Sunderland at the National Glass Centre a couple of weeks ago. I was told that they were definitely going into production. Just now they were testing the lehr, calabrating it, etc. They are hoping to get into production after Christmas. Sepeartely, I have heard that their first production run (probably a trial) was sent to the USA. They must me checking on the acceptability of the product with the north American market (??) If it is of interest, I will keep in touch and post information from time to time. By the way, It is a very impressive building on the river side. You can walk from the carpark either down a ramp into the building or up a slight incline onto the glass roof. As you move toward the river, and the edge of the roof, the distance to the floor below increases until it is about 50 feet above the restaurant. It is very unsettling to be standing on structural glass! It has similarities to Corning in that there is a gallery, of changing exhibits, a permanent exhibition about glass in its various forms and uses (a kind of glass experience), and demonstrations through working glass businesses. It is different from Corning, in that there are at least four firms - production glass vessels, flat glass production (the Hartley Wood successors), two hot glass studios. In addition there are a group of craft businesses in lamp work, engraving, leaded glass, and space for more. I'm not sure if corning does this, but at Sunderland, they are offering classes in glass blowing, leaded glass, engraving and lamp work. It was worth the 3and a half hour drive ( a long distance in the UK) to visit. I'll be going again. Steve In message <1998Dec8.101921.0@?>, Dani Greer writes >Does anyone know the latest >on Hartley Wood glass? We >heard rumors here that the >employess might be firing up >the company and starting pro- >duction of glass again? Any >word? > >Thanks! > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 03:15:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:11:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Chris & Al Orowitz Subject: Re: Soldering Question Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:46:16 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.84616.0> References: <<1998Dec8.113132.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Do it your way. It works - experience proves it. It looks better It takes advantage of the narrower lines and greater detail possible in copper foil work. Solder is hard whether it is in a thin film or a big bead. Her reasons for more solder preventing breakage would be interesting to learn. It seems to me that the larger beads (more molten solder) might lead to breakages due to thermal shock during soldering. Just my thoughts. Steve In message <1998Dec8.113132.0@?>, Chris & Al Orowitz writes >Hi all, > >When I get ready to solder a project I arrange all my pieces together. >A friend of mine who owns a glass store told me I shouldn't do it like >that. She always puts a pin between each of her pieces thus creating a >bit of a space. She claims that it is to prevent breakage. Is there >any truth to this or just a myth? I don't really like the way it looks >after she gets done as the lines are quite large. I have been putting >my pieces together since I started doing glass, which is about 7 yrs, >and have not had any pieces break because of the way I do it. > >Comments anyone? >Chris Orowitz >glasshack@earthlink.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 04:22:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:49:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Lezliesart From: Lezliesart@aol.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Detail work Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:47:33 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec10.104733.0> Precedence: bulk Christie, I recently tried a product called Porcelaine, an enamel paint made for glass and china. It's great for details and is a bake on type product (in the oven at 325). It might be a little more versatile than the sharpie method. I got mine from Hudson glass. Since I do a lot of tiny holiday type fused pins I need to make tiny eyes and little carrot noses and that sort of thing (not great art but they do sell). The paint is available in a ton of colors and is slightly raised if applied thickly or can give a watercolor effect if painted on thinly. If anyone has used this before and has any tips or cautions I'd like to hear. Lezlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 05:28:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:29:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:34:53 +0000 Message-ID: <199812101126.GAA24290@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Several members of bungi have urged me to post the following to this group, never mind that a few months ago such posts were yelled about quite loudly and I set up a separate request-for-posts on the Guild's site. Hope it's interesting and helpful: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" released by Art in Architecture Press Art in Architecture Press has announced the long-awaited publication of Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual by Peggy W. Johnsen. In a concise, four-session pre-planned set of lessons, Johnsen covers the fundamentals of working with stained glass in a way that not only allows students of the technique to learn how to make their own stained glass panels, but also allows the instructor to measure their progress against the worksheets that are provided as part of the book. Six patterns are provided for the students to progressively increase their skills. The lessons follow the natural order of stained glass practice: 1. Tools, Equipment and Materials; 2. Cutting Glass; 3. Soldering; and 4. Finishing and Framing. Johnsen also provides health and safety tips, as well as notes on glass cutting, copper foiling, soldering and flux. The worksheets cover glass cutting practice, foiling and soldering practice, the transfer of the pattern to glass, soldering, cleaning and finishing, framing with zinc borders and with wood, then finally a project evaluation. The author even includes a form that allows the members of the class to evaluate the teacher and the instruction, providing valuable feedback to those who teach stained glass techniques using the book. The patterns include a Sun Landscape, a Rainbow Landscape, Dutch Tulips, a Mallard Duck, an Iris, and a Sailboat. The book is sturdily produced in a workbook format and spiral bound so that it opens flat in the most useful way. The author, Peggy W. Johnsen, has a doctorate in education, and is an accomplished and creative artist and teacher. She began using stained glass as her art medium 12 years ago and has combined her teaching experiences in education and curriculum to develop this innovative competency based approach to the teaching of stained glass. For the past six years she has applied the competency based approach to the teaching of a wide variety of stained glass courses, i.e., leaded stained glass construction, panel lamps, kaleidoscopes, glass mosaics, glass etching, jewelry boxes, and three-dimensional gift items. Originally from Arkansas, Ms. Johnsen holds Art Minors at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. She spent the final semester of her Masters degree program at the University of Tennessee's Gatlinburg Art and Craft Center. She has taken numerous workshops from such renowned glass artists as Linda Abbot (wire wrapping), Norm and Ruth Dobbins (glass etching), Gil Reynolds (glass fusing), Robin Werner (glass painting) and spent two years in apprenticeship with Donna German of the Glass Shack in Oceano, California. Ms. Johnsen conducts weekly stained glass classes at Vandenberg Air Force Base, where she is under contract with the VAFB's Skill Development Center. She is the owner of PJs Stained Glass Studio in Santa Maria, California, specializing in custom orders, gift items, and repairs. She is active in the Los Padres Artist Guild on the central coast and serves as Parliamentarian and Chairman of the Guild's Scholarship Committee. Ms. Johnson is currently employed at Cuesta College in San Luis Obispo, California, where she works as an educational administrator for special grants. -30- for more information: Art in Architecture Press, Inc. 54 Cherry Street, North Adams MA 01247 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 http://www.aiap.com/ [Home Page] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 06:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:07:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: KISS Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.2646.0> Precedence: bulk My husband had a great idea. He suggests we make a glass mosaic of KISS for a soon to be family member who is a HUGE fan of those guys in funny makeup. It would be too much to hope that any of you already has a pattern, so it's back to the drawing board for me tonight. One of them (I'm no KISS fan, obviously) has makeup that's not black and white, but I'm not sure, given the pictures I've seen, what color it is. A blue of some kind? (Funny lighting in some of the pictures) Anyone know? Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 07:08:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:50:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Math Quiz? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:53:25 -0500 Message-ID: <19981210124856.BMQM23268@vic> Precedence: bulk The number of sides, the difference in diameter between top and bottom, and the height of the shade are important to determine the length and angles of each panel. Subtract the diameter of the smaller circle (the Top for this example) from the diameter of the bottom circle. Divide by 2, this will equal the base of the triangle for this calculation. (It will also give the basis for calculating the Annulus if needed). Determine the height you will need. This number will be the number used for the perpendicular side of the right triangle. Square both numbers and add together. Take the solution and take the square root of it. This will give you the length of the face of the panel. Example: Diameter of (t)op circle = 4" Diameter of (b)ottom = 18" b-t = 14" c = 14/2 = 7" (h)eight = 12" c^2 = 49" h^2 =144 c + h = 193" (l)ength of side (hypotenuse) = sqrt 193" = 13.89" Angle of top = tan A = c/h = 7/12 = .58333 = 30 deg; reciprocal = 150 Bottom = 90 - 30 = 60 deg; reciprocal = 120 To determine width of top and bottom of panels the simplest method is to take the diameter of each and multiply by pi and divide by the number of sides. For an octagon: top = (3.14159 x 4)/8 = 1.57" bottom = (3.14159 x 18)/8 = 7.06" Or P = perimeter N = number of sides R = radius of circle Perimeter of a polygon inscribed on a circle P = 2NR (sin (pi/n))* In this case top = 1.53" bottom = 6.89" Perimeter of a polygon circumscribing a circle P = 2NR (tan (pi/N))* top = 1.66" bottom = 7.46" If being exact is not a concern, then just taking the perimeters of both circles and dividing them by the number of sides will work. How do you say it? Close enough for government work? *Divide perimeter by number of sides to get the width of each panel ** Do the calculations for top and bottom If you are using a "stock" cap you are going to have to use the formula for an inscribed polygon using the diameter of the cap as your control. Providing you use the same method for top and bottom you shouldn't have a problem with lining up the panels. If you center the top dimension over the bottom dimension 13.89" apart, draw the lines to connect them, the angles of the sides will take care of themselves. If you really need to know the angle formed by the sides, draw a perpendicular line from the top edges to where they intersect with the bottom which will give you a rectangle and two right triangles. Repeat the above for this triangle to get the length of each side and the corresponding angles. The opposite side will be the inverse of these calculations. Doing this will also give you the numbers to calculate the area of each panel and give an Idea of the amount of glass needed. Area of a rectangle or square = length x width Area of a right triangle = (base x height)/2. Area of a Trapezoid = ((top + bottom)/2) * height Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 08:11:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:36:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: Bungi Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Sarah Bross-cookie Lady Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.33742.0> Precedence: bulk I thought I didn't recognize that name. I didn't snitch, honest. Sic'em, Patrick, before Elisabeth says, "sic'em" to Toby. Linda Hey Cookie Lady! Have I received a bio from you? If not please submit one or I'll be forced to crumble your cookies. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 08:19:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:54:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Cookies Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:48:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec10.134841.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/9/98, 11:23:03 AM, kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU writes: <> There apparently is no such web site. the only Fleishmanns I know is the bread yeast. Their website is www.fleischmanns.com but there are no cookie recipes there. Good luck. Cheryl Lowe Glass Lites Studio Southern New Jersey GlassLites@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 08:55:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:19:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:11:01 -0000 Message-ID: <199812101414.JAA20736@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Several members of bungi have urged me to post the following to this >group, never mind that a few months ago such posts were yelled about >quite loudly and I set up a separate request-for-posts on the Guild's >site. Hope it's interesting and helpful: > >"Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" > released by Art in Architecture Press Congratulations, Peggy!!!! Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 08:56:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:55:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Cookies Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:50:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec10.135036.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry, I gave the wrong address for that Fleischmanns web site. It's actually www.breadworld.com Again, sorry. Cheryl Lowe Glass Lites Studio Southern New Jersey GlassLites@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 09:12:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:22:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Kath8284 From: Kath8284@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dream Catcher Pattern Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:17:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec10.141741.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have or know of a picture of a "Dream Catcher"?.......I have seen one done in glass and would like to do one for a friend of mine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 09:34:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:29:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: more solder questions? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:37:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.23723.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry, this wasnt covered in any of my stained glass classes, and I wasnt smart enough to ask, besides, they were a *long* time ago...and I have never seen this addressed in any of my books. Just how strong is solder? How much weight can a drop of solder hold? At what point do you need more than just one jump ring? At what point do you find another means of hanging a suncatcher or panel other than a jump ring soldered on? Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 10:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:53:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: WorkShop Ideas, Your Experiences, Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:51:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.45154.0> References: <<1998Dec10.05256.0>> Precedence: bulk HUSKYGATOR@aol.com wrote: > > I think that is a great idea! Everyone has given such great ideas; I've > shared a couple of them with my husband who will still be able to incorporate > a couple of them before it is too late. Great suggestions. Linda > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass and don't forget, make sure there's lots and lots of light. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 10:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:59:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: M-80 breaker Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.45330.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, I use it on all three you mentioned. Score the flat side and feel your way when squeezing the handles. You might have to squeeze and move until you feel and hear a crack, then move and squeeze some more. Sometime it works easy, sometimes hard ; but, it works for me. I very rarely get a bad break, and I've cut some very heavy stuff. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad To: bungi Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 1:11 AM Subject: Re: M-80 breaker >Granny And PawPaw wrote: >> >> Have them and use them when breaking large pieces of ripple or heavy glass. >> It reaches far in to the piece. Yes they work. >> >> Arnold >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: M. Savad >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 9:43 PM >> Subject: M-80 breaker >> >> >has anyone used the morton M-80 breaker? i finally broke down, and i may >> >get one. i have the ringstar pliers, currently. is it difficult to use? >> >easy? i'm sure there's a learning curve to it, just like the ringstar... >> >is there any glass it can't do? ...except for drapery, or heavy >> >ripples, which i doubt would work anyway. >> > >> >---Mike Savad >> > >> >-- >> >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >> >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >> >11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview >> >of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City >> >---- >> >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >so it does work on ripple? are we talking wissmach rippple, spectrum, >or kokomo? (ripple density's)... > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview >of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 10:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:45:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Howard, Non glass feel free to delete Date: Thu Dec 10 07:45:02 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.5212.0> Precedence: bulk With the visit from Sain Nick thread that has been running, and since no one has the Mad version, I thought some of you (but not Howard) would like the 90s P.C. version. Politically Correct Christmas Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a Wreck... How to live in a world that's politically correct His workers no longer would answer to "Elves" "Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves. And labor conditions at the North Pole Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul. Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety, Released to the wilds by the Humane Society. And equal employment had made it quite clear That Santa had better not use just reindeer. So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid, Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid! The runners had been removed from his sleigh; The ruts were termed dangerous by the E.P.A. And people started to call for the cops When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops. Second-hand pipe smoke had his workers quite frightened, His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened" And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows, Rudolph was suing over unauthorized use of his nose. And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation, Demanding millions in over-due compensation. So half of the reindeer were gone, and his wife, Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life, Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz, Demanding from now on her title was Ms. And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion That making a choice could cause so much commotion. Nothing of leather, nothing of fur, Which meant nothing for him, And nothing for her. Nothing that might be construed to pollute. Nothing to aim, nothing to shoot. Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise, Nothing for just girls, Or just for the boys. Nothing that claimed to be gender specific, Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific. No candy or sweets....they were bad for the tooth, Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth. And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden, Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden. For they raised the hackles of those psychological, Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological. No baseball, no football...someone could get hurt, Besides playing sports exposed kids to dirt. Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe. And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away. So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed, He just could not figure out what to do next. He tried to be merry, he tried to be gay, But you've got to be careful with that word today. His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground, Nothing fully acceptable was to be found. Something special was needed, a gift that he might Give to all without angering the left or the right. A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision, Each group of people, every religion. Every ethnicity, every hue, Everyone, everywhere...even you. So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth.... "May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 11:18:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:16:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eai.com!mrskulak From: julie kulak To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: unsubscribe, please! Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:51:47 -0600 Message-ID: <4.0.2.19981210095133.009e3d10@ns.eai.com> Precedence: bulk -- julie kulak scientific illustrator, guinea pig owner engineering animation, inc., chicago 312.425.8153 desk 312.425.8101 fax mrskulak@eai.com www.eai.com Always do what you are afraid to do. - Ralph Waldo Emerson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 12:01:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:11:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 'bout time! Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:59:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec10.165945.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/9/98 1:34:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, weaver51@teleport.com writes: << Although I DO deeply enjoy the "banter and non-glass posts", I am = willing to sacrifice the JOY it causes me. PLEASE (most of you can set = up a PRIVATE mailing list) confine it to conscripts of LIKE MIND (I am = NOT one). >> Of all the mailing lists I'm on, this one has the least amount of off topic chatter. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 12:18:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:45:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Kath8284@aol.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Dream Catcher Pattern Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.74626.0> Precedence: bulk Go to the bungi archive at http://www.bungi.com/glass/patterns/ and you can use my pattern. There are three files starting with "orange" Linda -----Original Message----- From: Kath8284@aol.com [SMTP:Kath8284@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 9:18 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dream Catcher Pattern Does anyone have or know of a picture of a "Dream Catcher"?.......I have seen one done in glass and would like to do one for a friend of mine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 12:29:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:18:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: Shay Friel To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New Member Saying Hi ö¿ö Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.81456.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to take a minute to intrduce myself. My name is Shay Friel and I just started stained glass in October. I live in the Central Florida area. I am a nurse in the OR full time and do a radio program on Sundays for fun. I am looking forward to learning lots from ya'll. It is wonderful to have this resource available. Hopefully you won't mind an occasional stupid question. Shay Friel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 12:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:21:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: cornerettes Date: Thu Dec 10 10:20:04 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.7564.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE2440.0BE1B200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi a few months ago, someone was looking for the clarity wood = cornettes--could you let me know if you still are needing them, i have = found a pair at one of my suppliers, but they only have one pair--please = let me know thank you debbie kleeman@one.net ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE2440.0BE1B200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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a few months ago, someone was = looking for the=20 clarity wood cornettes--could you let me know if you still are needing = them, i=20 have found a pair at one of my suppliers, but they only have one = pair--please=20 let me know
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------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE2440.0BE1B200-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 12:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:11:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasshack From: Chris & Al Orowitz To: glass list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks again Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:14:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.8140.0> Organization: The Glass Shack Precedence: bulk Once again thanks to all who answered my question. I will work on your suggestions and see what does best for me. Chris Orowitz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 13:11:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:28:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: more solder questions? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <199812101916.OAA26020@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Suzanne asks: >Just how strong is solder? How much weight can a drop of solder hold? >At what point do you need more than just one jump ring? > >At what point do you find another means of hanging a suncatcher or panel >other than a jump ring soldered on? I don't know of any hard-n-fast rules. I've had an 8x10 panel hanging from two store-bought jump rings for years & years. Usually I make my own, leaving 1/2" or so wire extending at a 90 degree angle - the ring itself goes in top corner, one wire soldered horizontally & one vertically onto the framing material, zinc or copper. This ensures a good distribution of weight. For small suncatchers the jump ring is just fine. Suzannah > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 14:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:31:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Dream Catcher Pattern Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:21:29 -0000 Message-ID: <199812101925.OAA27008@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Kathy writes: > Does anyone have or know of a picture of a "Dream Catcher"?.......I have >seen one done in glass and would like to do one for a friend of mine. Any >help would be greatly appreciated. > Kathy, there's one on the bungi gallery done by Deb Brunner-Walker. It looks to be all glass and is beautiful. You can access it at http://csg.uwaterloo.ca:80/~dmg/glass/gallery/. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 14:35:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:12:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6227865623E7C44FF623C4DB" Subject: NG-Trademark Eye Opener Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:09:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.4915.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk --------------6227865623E7C44FF623C4DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting thing came up today. It seems as if my sister-in-law has the same business name as a woman who owns the name as registered with the US Patent and Trademark Office. Now I went to the office above and performed a search of many businesses. I searched the database for large companies thinking that they may have registered their name. Most of them haven't. Nike holds over 50 trademarks, amazing. Now the expense of registering is enormous. But the drawback to an unregistered name is that you can go for years doing business unregistered until someone comes along, buys the name and tells you "So sorry but your using my name and I want you to stop or face legal action". It seems as if the registered name can be used by someone else if it is a different product. Bringing up Spectrum in the database brought up many people who have registered the name Spectrum but with a different product. So am I correct in assuming as long as the product is different that would make a difference in a legal case?? Now Albert was kind enough to inform me of copyright versus trademarks. Always a god in my opinion for advice is Albert. My sister-in-law of course never intended to use, abuse or even knew that this woman had her business name & visa versa. Someone could register Warner-Crivellaro and it would be theirs, Greer Gallery as theirs etc. Scary thought that is eh? I may be wrong on the W/C Charles. If I am then excuse my error. See you Pam *sm* -- ********************************* The Stained Glass Artists Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director: Advertising & Marketing Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ --------------6227865623E7C44FF623C4DB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Interesting thing came up today. It seems as if my sister-in-law has the same business name as a woman who owns the name as registered with the US Patent and Trademark Office.

Now I went to the office above and performed a search of many businesses. I searched the database for large companies thinking that they may have registered their name. Most of them haven't. Nike holds over 50 trademarks, amazing.  Now the expense of registering is enormous. But the drawback to an unregistered name is that you can go for years doing business unregistered until someone comes along, buys the name and tells you "So sorry but your using my name and I want you to stop or face legal action".

It seems as if the registered name can be used by someone else if it is a different product. Bringing up Spectrum in the database brought up many people who have registered the name Spectrum but with a different product. So am I correct in assuming as long as the product is different that would make a difference in a legal case??

Now Albert was kind enough to inform me of copyright versus trademarks. Always a god in my opinion for advice is Albert. My sister-in-law of course never intended to use, abuse or even knew that this woman had her business name & visa versa. Someone could register Warner-Crivellaro and it would be theirs, Greer Gallery as theirs etc. Scary thought that is eh? I may be wrong on the W/C Charles. If I am then excuse my error.
 

See you

Pam *sm*

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  --------------6227865623E7C44FF623C4DB-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 14:59:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:53:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.10512.0> Precedence: bulk Okay, now I can yell it from the hill tops: CONGRATULATIONS, Peggy! I've already sent Albert a check to review the book and if my next summer and fall semester classes fly, *maybe I can use it as one of the texts... we'll = see. In the meanwhile, I'm glad we're starting to see some new books about stained glass. Hooray for you Peggy - for taking the time and energy and commitment to DO it! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 16:17:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:25:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Kath8284@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dream Catcher Pattern Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.122333.0> References: <<1998Dec10.141741.0>> Precedence: bulk Kath8284@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have or know of a picture of a "Dream Catcher"?.......I have > seen one done in glass and would like to do one for a friend of mine. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i could be wrong but i think spectrum's patterns may have a dream catcher design, somewhere in the archive. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 16:49:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Suzanne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: more solder questions? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.122640.0> References: <<1998Dec10.23723.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > Sorry, this wasnt covered in any of my stained glass classes, and I > wasnt smart enough to ask, besides, they were a *long* time ago...and I > have never seen this addressed in any of my books. > > Just how strong is solder? How much weight can a drop of solder hold? > At what point do you need more than just one jump ring? > > At what point do you find another means of hanging a suncatcher or panel > other than a jump ring soldered on? > > Tulsa Suzanne > -- > ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't know if anyone has the tensile information on solder. mayeb the solder company knows. the weakest points would be the foil, the reinforcement used to hold the ring on (from strenthening the project), and how thick the solder is itself. i suppose you could test it, by soldering 2 keyrings together. mount one end in a vise, and pull on the other end with a plier. it would'nt be scientific, but it might help... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 20:51:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:27:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio Nagger Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:33:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.153313.0> References: <<199812091406.JAA08624@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > Patrick: Good News! > There's a new book out called SunTiles that includes a pre-made aluminum > gnomon. This should solve your problem for a mere $15.95! > Suzannah I dunno Suzannah...that gnoMAN sure looked kinda feminine to me! My minds eye pictures something a *little more manly for Patrick! That Tutu just wouldnt look quite right without something manly with it, ;o)...an imagination is a terrible thing to waste dont you think? ;o) Tulsa Suzanne... -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 21:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:55:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Patrick's GnoMAN Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:03:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.17313.0> References: <<199812110448.XAA19869@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > Yes, it should be open to Bungiland and Intrastarland. Prize to be for > the most creative. The fitting part, I won't go there...guess we'll have > to take Patrick's word on that! > Suzannah > > Patrick? Tulsa -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 22:03:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:57:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Linda Letscher" , "bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: subscribe me Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:54:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.16540.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Linda, Welcome to the inner sanctum of the underworld. My name is Patrick and I will be your guide. Take my hand .... its OK I'm safe (shut up IA, Pam, Elisabeth, et al, she''ll learn quick enough). Now; where was I ? Oh yes, as we stroll down the garden path tell me all about yourself, in a very short written bio of course and I will post it to the group. BTW watchout for gnomons they are around every corner. What! Wait! Was it something I said? Send me your bio anyway. OK? -----Original Message----- From: Linda Letscher To: bungi.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:23 AM Subject: subscribe me >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I was off a day and miss the e-mail. Thanks Eljay > >------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >

I was off a day and miss the = >e-mail. =20 >Thanks Eljay
> >------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 22:03:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:35:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Shay Friel" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?UmU6IE5ldyBNZW1iZXIgU2F5aW5nIEhpIPa/9g==?= Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:34:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.163428.0> Precedence: bulk Hello my friend Shay, Welcome, welcome, welcome (said the spider to the fly). Each Saturday I p= ost biographies of the members, a short bio on you would be wonderful. Just s= end it to me and I'll post it. BTW there are some very, very, strange people on the list, of course excluding me. -----Original Message----- From: Shay Friel To: Stained Glass Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 2:49 PM Subject: New Member Saying Hi =F6=BF=F6 >Just wanted to take a minute to intrduce myself. My name is Shay Friel >and I just started stained glass in October. I live in the Central >Florida area. I am a nurse in the OR full time and do a radio program >on Sundays for fun. I am looking forward to learning lots from ya'll. >It is wonderful to have this resource available. Hopefully you won't >mind an occasional stupid question. > >Shay Friel >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 22:18:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:59:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "suzanne" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG: Patrick's GnoMAN Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:44:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199812110448.XAA19869@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >> Yes, and we can have a field day with this one. Maybe we should start a >> contest to design a new, more masculine-looking gnomon for Patrick. >> Something dog-proof. He will need it by next August. >> Suzannah >> > >Hmmmm...and do we have to show it to anyone else before the *unveiling*? >:o) > >Tulsa Suzanne, ps how will we know if it fits? Yes, it should be open to Bungiland and Intrastarland. Prize to be for the most creative. The fitting part, I won't go there...guess we'll have to take Patrick's word on that! Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 22:35:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:07:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: another night before Christmas Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:06:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.17610.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Irene, Speaking of being politically correct .... how about sending me your bio so we can see your political leanings(or maybe not). If I'm threatened by the "hound" I will react by singing "Goodnight Irene, Goodnight Irene, ........ and nobody wants to hear me sing. Dancing the "Nutcracker Suite" in my SG TuTu is enough for anyone in a lifetime. (8-) -----Original Message----- From: IreneMerm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 11:33 PM Subject: another night before Christmas >In a message dated 12/09/98 8:36:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, Shyoldude >writes: > > >Hi again. I stumbled on this in a newsletter that I receive and thought that >it might be cute to send to you all. A nice addition to the standard we have >already received. :) Irene > ><< 'Twas the night before Christmas... > (politically correct version!) > > 'Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck... > How to live in a world that's politically correct? > His workers no longer would answer to "Elves", > "Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves. > And labor conditions at the north pole > Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul. > > Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety, > Released to the wilds by the Humane Society. > And equal employment had made it quite clear > That Santa had better not use just reindeer. > So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid, > Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid! > The runners had been removed from his sleigh; > The ruts were termed dangerous by the E.P.A. > > And people had started to call for the cops > When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops. > Second-hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite > frightened. > His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened." > And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows, > Rudolf was suing over unauthorized use of his nose > And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation, > Demanding millions in over-due compensation. > > So, half of the reindeer were gone; and his wife, > Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life, > Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz, > Demanding from now on her title was Ms. > And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion > That making a choice could cause so much commotion. > > Nothing of leather, nothing of fur, > Which meant nothing for him. And nothing for her. > Nothing that might be construed to pollute. > Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot. > Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise. > Nothing for just girls. Or just for the boys. > Nothing that claimed to be gender specific. > Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific. > No candy or sweets...they were bad for the tooth. > Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth. > > And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden, > Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden. > For they raised the hackles of those psychological > Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological. > No baseball, no football...someone could get hurt; > Besides, playing sports exposed kids to dirt. > Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe; > And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away. > > So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed; > He just could not figure out what to do next. > He tried to be merry, tried to be gay, > But you've got to be careful with that word today. > His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground; > Nothing fully acceptable was to be found. > > Something special was needed, a gift that he might > Give to all without angering the left or the right. > A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision, > Each group of people, every religion; > Every ethnicity, every hue, > Everyone, everywhere...even you. > So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth... > "May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth." > > >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 22:51:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:41:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "suzanne" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: NG: Patrick's GnoMAN Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: <199812110432.XAA18695@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >> Patrick: Good News! >> There's a new book out called SunTiles that includes a pre-made aluminum >> gnomon. This should solve your problem for a mere $15.95! >> Suzannah > > >I dunno Suzannah...that gnoMAN sure looked kinda feminine to me! >My minds eye pictures something a *little more manly for Patrick! >That Tutu just wouldnt look quite right without something manly with it, >;o)...an imagination is a terrible thing to waste dont you think? ;o) Yes, and we can have a field day with this one. Maybe we should start a contest to design a new, more masculine-looking gnomon for Patrick. Something dog-proof. He will need it by next August. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 23:04:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:09:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "suzanne" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG: Patrick's GnoMAN Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:59:51 -0500 Message-ID: <199812110503.AAA21312@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >> Yes, it should be open to Bungiland and Intrastarland. Prize to be for >> the most creative. The fitting part, I won't go there...guess we'll have >> to take Patrick's word on that! >> Suzannah >> >> > > >Patrick? A bit naive, do you think? S. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 23:13:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:49:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Patrick's GnoMAN Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:51:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.165134.0> References: <<199812110432.XAA18695@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > Yes, and we can have a field day with this one. Maybe we should start a > contest to design a new, more masculine-looking gnomon for Patrick. > Something dog-proof. He will need it by next August. > Suzannah > Hmmmm...and do we have to show it to anyone else before the *unveiling*? :o) Tulsa Suzanne, ps how will we know if it fits? -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 23:20:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:52:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: early.com!hugsal From: Ann Hughes To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?New_Member_Saying_Hi_=F6=BF=F6?= Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:17:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981210231750.007dc9b0@pop.early.com> Precedence: bulk >X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay >From: Shay Friel >To: Stained Glass >Subject: New Member Saying Hi =F6=BF=F6 >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:14:56 -0500 > >Just wanted to take a minute to intrduce myself. My name is Shay Friel >and I just started stained glass in October. I live in the Central >Florida area. I am a nurse in the OR full time and do a radio program >on Sundays for fun. I am looking forward to learning lots from ya'll.=20 >It is wonderful to have this resource available. Hopefully you won't >mind an occasional stupid question. > >Shay Friel >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Shay, The only stupid question is the one you didn't ask anyone. I am new to this group too and I think these people try to answer any and all questions and with such caring and a sincere desire to help each and every person. They also like to try to keep you laughing. By the way I enjoy the banter that goes back and forth between all of you and I look forward to having a good laugh. Thanks for it all. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to all of you!!! Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 23:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:30:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: , "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG: Patrick's GnoMAN Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:30:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.173019.0> Precedence: bulk You two are sick puppies. Don't you know that in my case one size fits all. <My minds eye pictures something a *little more manly for Patrick! >That Tutu just wouldnt look quite right without something manly with it, >;o)...an imagination is a terrible thing to waste dont you think? ;o)>> Have you two been peeking again. I'll tell you a guy can't even wear a kilt or a TuTu on a windy day without being sexually harassed by the opposite sex. Speaking of being harassed.... What do you get when you cross a crooked politician and a crooked lawyer ............. Chelsea. Got to go these new pink slippers are killing me. The 4 inch heels get my calves in a knot. Good night S & S (Sick and Sicker) LOL -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: suzy@comcat.com Cc: Pat Kelly ; glass bungi line Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 10:54 PM Subject: Re: NG: Patrick's GnoMAN >> Yes, it should be open to Bungiland and Intrastarland. Prize to be for >> the most creative. The fitting part, I won't go there...guess we'll have >> to take Patrick's word on that! >> Suzannah >> >> > > >Patrick? > >Tulsa >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 10 23:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:55:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: NG-Trademark Eye Opener Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:11:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.19113.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Dani Greer, 105715,1412 TO: Pamela Burns-Tappan, INTERNET:ptap@pacifier.com DATE: 12/10/98 4:40 PM RE: Copy of: NG-Trademark Eye Opener Good questions, Pam. I would hope someone would be hard-pressed to challenge my right to name my business "Greer" since that's my = legal name. However, if I wanted the name Scheibenkleisters Studio (which today would be rather apropos), I might be inclined to register it just in case anyone else would be crazy enough to think of using it. This is happening to a neighbor as we speak... he owns Canyon Signs and is being challenged by another Canyon Signs in the state.... neither has registered the name, both have operated under that name for many years. The results will be interesting. No doubt there are other Canyon Signs in the country.... near canyons maybe;-)? What does a judge do with all those incredibly clever names like Mountain This... Lakeside That.... Westside.... Downtown... or Millennium (did I spell it right this time?) I can't *imagine anyone having a legal claim on that one! I'm curious, what is the cost of tradename registration? And = are we presuming that it's too expensive for anyone except Nike to afford? After = all, copyright is very cheap. Would be = good to know. Omigawd! An-interesting- serious-possibly-glass-pertinent thread! Sssshhhhh, don't tell anyone. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 00:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:43:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Welcome Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:35:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.203552.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda, welcome to the group, it's lots of fun and a great learning tool too. Glad to have ya join us! As for Patrick saying......."BTW there are some very, very, strange people on the list".........it takes one to know one, Patrick LOL Karen >Hello Linda, > >Welcome to the inner sanctum of the underworld. My name is Patrick and I >will be your guide. Take my hand .... its OK I'm safe (shut up IA, Pam, >Elisabeth, et al, she''ll learn quick enough). Now; where was I ? Oh yes, as >we stroll down the garden path tell me all about yourself, in a very short >written bio of course and I will post it to the group. > >BTW watchout for gnomons they are around every corner. > >What! Wait! Was it something I said? > >Send me your bio anyway. OK? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Letscher >To: bungi.com >Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:23 AM >Subject: subscribe me > > >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >>------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640 >>Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>I was off a day and miss the e-mail. Thanks Eljay >> >>------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640 >>Content-Type: text/html; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >> >> >> >>>http-equiv=3DContent-Type> >> >> >> >>
I was off a day and miss the = >>e-mail. =20 >>Thanks Eljay
>> >>------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE23AD.EE427640-- >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 00:31:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:51:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-Subscribe me/New Member Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:49:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.14492.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Welcome Linda and Shay! I'll have you know they released Pat a tad early from Hillhaven Rest Home. He has been working on his outpatient therapy program but I see now that he isn't taking his medication as usual. He tends to forget after one of his stained glass tutu parties. Trust me I've been to one of his parties. He passes out Viagra in candy dishes & cracks jokes about Clinton all night. Oh, did I mention that he has a lovely relationship with a dog named Toby? Pat, you should welcome new people as honestly as possible. Be patient with him as he is harmless most of the time. Pat I suggest that you sincerely get back on your therapy program. And yes, we would love it if you two would send in your bio. It let's us get to know you a bit better. Pam -- ********************************* The Stained Glass Artists Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director: Advertising & Marketing Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 01:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:22:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Trademark Eye Opener-cost Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:17:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec10.161747.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Well a wonderful gentleman who shared some insight into the trademark registration process had this to say to me. He said that the registering of your trademark name is easy. The cost is $240.00. Now, patents he said were the spendy and time consuming ones. He has major experience in both and said that given an easy hour anyone could fill out the paper work. Don't know if he wants to speak up here so I'm keeping his name out of this e-mail. I will say this to him. I got a chuckle out of your e-mail. It's amazing who will pop up here at bungi sometimes with personal responses. I was thrilled to death and no I'm not telling who it was so don't ask me Patrick :) Here is the U.S. Patent and Trademark addy again in case anyone wants to find out about the registration process. http://www.uspto.gov/ Happy registering all! Pam -- ********************************* The Stained Glass Artists Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director: Advertising & Marketing Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 04:06:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 03:04:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG-Subscribe me/New Member Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:58:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.05853.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome Shay, I must have missed you when I scanned the posts last night. It's great to have you here. Karen....who needs more sleep....ZZZZZZ.........ZZZZZZ -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 3:40 AM Subject: NG-Subscribe me/New Member >Welcome Linda and Shay! > >I'll have you know they released Pat a tad early from Hillhaven Rest >Home. He has been working on his outpatient therapy program but I see >now that he isn't taking his medication as usual. He tends to forget >after one of his stained glass tutu parties. Trust me I've been to one >of his parties. He passes out Viagra in candy dishes & cracks jokes >about Clinton all night. Oh, did I mention that he has a lovely >relationship with a dog named Toby? Pat, you should welcome new people >as honestly as possible. > >Be patient with him as he is harmless most of the time. Pat I suggest >that you sincerely get back on your therapy program. And yes, we would >love it if you two would send in your bio. It let's us get to know you a >bit better. > >Pam > >-- >********************************* >The Stained Glass Artists >Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director: >Advertising & Marketing > > >Proud Member Of: > >The Stained Glass Artists >http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html > >Join our live glass chat! >http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html > >The International Guild of Glass Artists >http://www.igga.org/ > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 05:20:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:08:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Source for chandelier parts Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:06:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.12645.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone - I will be finishing my daughter's chandelier this weekend (hopefully) and need to get it sent off in time for Christmas. Does anyone have a source for a candelabra cluster with six lights that also has a small spotlight in the middle? I used such a cluster on one I made a few years ago but can't seem to find it in any of the catalogs. I have never put one together myself before (I just make the shade) and don't know what else might be needed to complete it. Does the candelabra cluster come with everything you need or do you have to buy the chain, canopy, nipples, and wiring separately? I don't have much time left so need to get everything in one shot. Thanks for any input. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 06:39:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:01:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: pkelly@n-link.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:17:10 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.121710.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/11/98 1:03:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, pkelly@n- link.com writes: > (shut up IA, Pam, Elisabeth, et al, she''ll learn quick enough). Oh yeah, he tries to shut me up first, I don't get it, sweet innocent little old me??? Hugs and kisses from the guys at the Instant Karma Bar and Grill, IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 06:40:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:39:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Thanks Guys! For the WELCOME!! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:38:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.33823.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BE24E1.9D28F060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Eljay here, thats Linda Jo. I have been getting bungi for a few weeks and then cancelled because I have just gotten so very busy. Well after 2 days of not having your wonderful banter and glass talk to read I had to put my name on the list. No 2 ways about it. I found this page through Mikes web site and he and I messaged and he said I had to subscribe, no 2 ways about it. :-) So here I am. (Pat this is a much of a bio I can come up with for now) I am a retired securities trader (I am 53 now), that took up stained glass 12 years ago. I have done it off and on over the years, mostly on. I started out by taking a class at a small shop here in town. They didn't teach lead (don't think she was too much into glass, just owned a retail shop). But I kept plugging on my own. I have never known anyone to bounce my ideas off of so I just kept doing things and learning on my own. My creative self died, one day when my husband died of a heart attack. I could not seem to formulate ideas or do the work, it just wouldn't come. Then one day, as if by magic I woke up one morning with ideas and colors and patterns running through my mind. I could not get them on paper fast enough. I have done my own designs, I have used patterns from everyone out there. About 4 years ago I took a class at the University in lead. I found a new passion. I fell in love with a new and different way to do glass. I have ended up doing a both lead pieces, and copper foil. Like both really. I have sold my work by word of mouth. A couple art fairs here and there. I have recently decided to be more proactive and not turn down jobs because they are scary. I had a lapse of sanity and took a job a couple of weeks ago (not in glass) and it is cutting into my glass time. So that is the long and short of it. I love glass, I love working with it. I don't know it all, am willing to learn what I don't know, and willing to share (my 2 cents) with what I know. I have already learned some neat stuff since reading bungi. Merry Christmas, The Eljay :-) Jacksonville, Florida andor@fair.net UIN: 5072431 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BE24E1.9D28F060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Eljay here, thats Linda = Jo.  I have=20 been getting bungi for a few weeks and then cancelled because I have = just gotten=20 so very busy.  Well after 2 days of not having your wonderful = banter and=20 glass talk to read I had to put my name on the list.  No 2 ways = about=20 it. 
 
I found this page through Mikes web site and he and = I messaged=20 and he said I had to subscribe, no 2 ways about it.  :-)  So = here I=20 am.
 
(Pat this is a much of a bio I can = come up with=20 for now)
 
I am a retired securities trader (I am 53 now), that = took up=20 stained glass 12 years ago.  I have done it off and on over the = years,=20 mostly on.  I started out by taking a class at a small shop here in = town.  They didn't teach lead (don't think she was too much into = glass,=20 just owned a retail shop).  But I kept plugging on my own.  I = have=20 never known anyone to bounce my ideas off of so I just kept doing things = and=20 learning on my own.  My creative self died, one day when my husband = died of=20 a heart attack.  I could not seem to formulate ideas or do the = work, it=20 just wouldn't come.  Then one day, as = if by=20 magic I woke up one morning with ideas and colors and patterns running = through=20 my mind.  I could not get them on paper fast enough.
 
I have done my own designs, I have used patterns = from everyone=20 out there.  About 4 years ago I took a class at the University in=20 lead.  I found a new passion.  I fell in love with a new and = different=20 way to do glass.  I have ended up doing a both lead pieces, and = copper=20 foil.  Like both really.
 
I have sold my work by word of mouth.  A couple = art fairs=20 here and there.  I have recently decided to be more proactive and = not turn=20 down jobs because they are scary. I had a = lapse of=20 sanity and took a job a couple of weeks ago (not in glass) and it is = cutting=20 into my glass time. 
 
So that is the long and short of it.  I love = glass, I=20 love working with it.  I don't know it all, am willing to learn = what I=20 don't know, and willing to share (my 2 cents) with what I know.  I = have=20 already learned some neat stuff since reading bungi.
 
Merry Christmas, The Eljay :-)
Jacksonville, Florida   
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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BE24E1.9D28F060-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 07:47:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:02:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copy of: NG-Trademark Eye Opener Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:10:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.21038.0> References: <<1998Dec10.19113.0>> Precedence: bulk > I might be inclined to register it just > in case anyone else would be crazy enough > to think of using it. This is happening > to a neighbor as we speak... he owns > Canyon Signs and is being challenged > by another Canyon Signs in the state.... > neither has registered the name, both > have operated under that name for many I dont know about trademark Dani, But in California, we were required to run a newspaper ad for a certain period of time with our intended business name. We were made to change it due to another laboratory in the area with a similar name. We ended up Sierra Nevada Wine Lab...as opposed to Sierra Foothills Wine Lab. Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 08:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:37:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sssnet.com!classi From: "Karen L. Frangos" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: Trademark Issue Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:36:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.43638.0> Precedence: bulk If any of you are interested in researching go to: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/ But, In reality I believe you would only need to record the trademark of your companies if you were dealing in interstate or international trade. The international trademark laws protect companies with instantly recognizable logos such as the Nike "Swish" or the way Coke is written from someone cutting into their sales by creating a look-alike product logo. Each country has it own trademark office and each is different in fees. What you may want to do is to incorporate your company name in the state where you are located so that the state government will not permit anyone else in your state to operate under any name identical or close to your company name. I am not a lawyer. Maybe there is one on the list who can help if anyone is concerned about their company name. Karen mailto:classi@sssnet.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 09:03:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:22:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: NG: another night before Christmas Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <199812111519.KAA03361@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Gnomonless Pat writes: >Hello Irene, > >Speaking of being politically correct .... how about sending me your bio so >we can see your political leanings(or maybe not). If I'm threatened by the >"hound" I will react by singing "Goodnight Irene, Goodnight Irene, ........ >and nobody wants to hear me sing. Dancing the "Nutcracker Suite" in my SG >TuTu is enough for anyone in a lifetime. Pat, Listen to Pam, dear, listen to Pam and take that medication. Your memory is going....Irene sent us her bio eons ago! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 09:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:28:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: chandelier parts Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:18:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.15189.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Brenda, I don't have the name of a supplier for you but something that you might try is to go to a store like Home Depot or HQ, you know the type . Well the other day I found several chandeliers in thier bargain bin,of course they are of the fake glass variety but the fixture itself is worth what they were selling them for. I picked one up for $50 and it is a big one still in the box just a discontinued model,I immediately thru all of the plastic glass away and am now working on making some jewels and bevels for it. Good Luck with your search. Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 10:12:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:23:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: exnet.iastate.edu!x1ruger From: Mary Ruger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Help! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:21:32 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981211112131.006c39fc@exnet.iastate.edu> Precedence: bulk I am receiving all of the messages twice, not at the same time. What do I need to do to stop this! Thanks in advance ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 11:57:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:11:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: M-80 breaker Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:08:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.18852.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/9/98 12:58:09 PM, daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano@aol.com wrote: >There is a wonderful product called LockTite for keeping screws in. >There should be no reason don't work to keep your set screw out. I >generally run across it at hardware and sporting shops. > >Note: There are different grades of LockTite. I think you want the >middle one. The top one is roughly equivalent to gluing the screw in >place. Would have sent this privately, but doesn't work..... Thanks for the tip. So far the set screws in both pair of breakers are staying put without assistance, but the LockTite is good to know about. Never can tell when it might come in handy! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 12:06:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:13:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Ergonomic, was Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:08:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.18821.0> Precedence: bulk Dani said: >Check the CG:G articles in the past >year on the IGGA site.... if I recall >correctly, someone did in fact design >an ergonomic glass workshop for >a college class and that paper was >published. Not all of it I agree with.... >but, it was a good starting point. Personally, I find that "ergonomic design" can cause more problems than not, because if I start out *too* comfortable, I tend to stay in one position far too long and get stiff or sore spots as a result. Ironically, I find a lot of "ergonomic" furniture to be *less* comfortable in the first place than the "regular" kind. Chairs are the worst - I'm very short-legged, and always end up "perching" on the edge of the chair because it's about 2" too high for me and cuts off the circulation in the backs of my legs - especially now that the seats on most chairs seem to slope down toward the chair back. Give me a good old-fashioned flat chair seat any day! I have a private theory that "ergonomically designed" furniture is also intended partly to keep people from moving around because "all that fidgeting looks unprofessional," and tends to *only* be comfortable if you stay in one position. I've done far better by trial and error with cheap furniture and body awareness. Keep countertops a little on the low side, stand up, sit down, lean on the workbench (Christie's cutting table drives me nuts because it's on wheels and I'm forever knocking it out of its caster cups - sorry, boss!), lean back, curl up, stretch out, cross and uncross my legs, crack my knuckles (or in my case, practically every joint in my body - and no, it will *not* do you any harm unless you're otherwise injured already!), shift from one foot to the other, teach myself at least 2 ways to do everything, shift my grip on the tool and reach for the Band-aids *before* I get a blister, "if it hurts when you do that, don't do that" any more than absolutely necessary, fidget, fidget, fidget, and don't worry about what it looks like to anyone else, because the human body was made to be in motion, *not* to stand or sit in one position for an extended length of time! Getting the work done, that's what's important. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 12:29:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:16:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 'bout time! and NG Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:08:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.18847.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/9/98 8:50:28 PM, shyguy@vdot.net wrote: >rec'd this empty message, so my reponse is - HUH????? It was there, but it came through to me with a Dark Purple Background. I had to highlight it in order to read it. (That happens a lot with HTML messages.) I think Dani has the right idea, though. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 12:40:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:17:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: more solder questions? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:08:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.18834.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/10/98 12:35:16 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >At what point do you find another means of hanging a suncatcher or panel >other than a jump ring soldered on? I've never used "just a jump ring." I always make a loop of wire and make sure the wire ends extend at least 1/2" into a solder joint. (Even for Christie's flamingos, which are small-suncatcher size.) What can I say, I had a teacher who's every bit as much a "suspenders-AND- belt" person as I am! (and who cusses under her breath when she has to take apart anything she's made, 'cause it's put together *too* well!) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 12:55:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:17:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Detail work Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:08:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.18830.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/10/98 1:02:47 AM, Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote: >>Now for my other question: I do quite a bit of small foil overlay - >mostly eyes. I can't just use the solder blob as the eye has to be >almond shaped as opposed to round. It also is two small to work with a >piece of foil and then silicon it on ( at least for me). The problem is >that sometimes the glass cracks and sometimes not.< > >How about using a dremel/engraver to engrave the eye shape >into the glass, and then color it in with a Sharpie permanant pen? >I sometimes do that to give details when soldering foil overlay >just won't do. Or how about using bakeable Deka or Porcelaine paint for the details and cooking it before you put the piece together? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 13:19:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:19:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Work tables, was Re: Thank you so much! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:08:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.18853.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/9/98 1:03:15 PM, suzy@ComCAT.COM wrote: >Karen writes: > [...] >>Here is my first question: Since you are designing the perfect studio, I >>would like to know how high to make the perfect work table for me. I am >>5'7". Do you sit at your table alot? Is a stool or a chair better? > >For cutting glass, the table should be about waist high. I have another >table for sitting, that's your standard "banquet table" height. I'm a very average 5'5'', and I like to have all my working surfaces, including my cutting table, at "standard table height" or thereabouts. A cutting table that's too high puts pressure on my "tennis elbow" - I like to keep my cutting arm fairly straight. I especially like to have my grinder down low enough so I can look almost straight down on it (in general I like to be able to "look down" on whatever I'm doing, don't mind bending over a bit to do it). I keep a low bar stool handy (even took one up to Christie's) so I can stand up or sit down as I choose - I have to keep shifting position every so often so my sacro-iliac doesn't act up (my butt literally goes out of joint occasionally, especially if I stand on a hard surface too long, and it hurts like hell!). Christie's sink counter (where her grinder is) is *way* up high (hits me around the bottom of my rib cage, I'm guessing around 40" high?) to accommodate one of those big deep laundry sinks in addition to sheet glass storage underneath. I keep one of those Rubbermaid one-step stools under the counter for when I have to grind. My main work table is a sheet of plywood mounted across the bodies of two 30" high x 30" wide 3-drawer chests of drawers I rescued in a dumpster dive. the drawers were missing, so I laid thin plywood in the drawer openings for shelves. The shelves are 16" deep - a perfect size to store bins of work-in- progress (like those endless candle chimneys), or plastic shoe boxes of glass scraps. And the "tunnel" through the middle is where the rollout bin of medium-sized sheets of glass lives. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 13:22:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:39:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.83937.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick! If you would give folks better = instructions on what you expect from them re: the bios, they wouldn't post them straight to bungi! You can't count those = posts just to save your silly little gnoman! Now, do it right, = post the destructions every now and then for the newbies, and give 'em your addy. Some of us have better things to do than = spending our time designing a new gnoman for you! Good grief. Happy Hols! ;-) Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 13:40:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Copy of: NG-Trademark Eye Opener Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.83940.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:balloch@netbridge.net, INTERNET:balloch@netbridge.net TO: Dani Greer, GreerStudios DATE: 12/11/98 3:06 AM RE: Re: Copy of: NG-Trademark Eye Opener Sender: balloch@netbridge.net Received: from nbserver.netbridge.net (nbras2.netbridge.net [198.106.229.= 12]) by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) with SMTP id DAA26874 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 03:06:25 -0500 (EST)= Received: from ras209.netbridge.net (ras209.netbridge.net [198.106.229.11= 7]) by nbserver.netbridge.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id oa226994 for= ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:02:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3670D391.78F5@netbridge.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:10:57 -0800 From: Shirley Balloch Reply-To: balloch@netbridge.net Organization: Maiden Concepts X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-nnie30 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dani Greer Subject: Re: Copy of: NG-Trademark Eye Opener References: <1998Dec10.19113.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the state of Oregon(5 years ago) it cost $10 each year. I have been noticing alot of Glass Shacks lately. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 13:47:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:24:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: attcanada.net!tuka From: "tuka" To: Subject: Re: Dream Catcher Pattern Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:21:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.32132.0> Precedence: bulk >i could be wrong but i think spectrum's patterns may have a dream >catcher design, somewhere in the archive. > >---Mike Savad I can't find one there. Shiela > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview >of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 13:48:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:30:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: "Pamela Burns-Tappan" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Trademark Eye Opener-cost Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <19981211193013.ENZV4576@vic> Precedence: bulk We had the occasion in the past couple of years to register trademarks. The cost including attorney fees was less than $1000. Basically the rule of thumb is if the name is part of the "public domain" it can't be copyrighted. Hence, as Dani pointed out, names that include words such as "lakeside", "mountain", "Canyon" etc. can't be copyrighted. However the entire ensemble of the name, how it is put together and illustrated, can be. That is why there has been the rush to logo's, by many companies, in the past few decades. We have a company that has been in existence since 1903. When it was purchased, although the name, physical plant, accounts, receivables, and good will etc., were turned over, a restriction of the use of a particular shaped advertising sign, which had been trademarked, was part of the deal. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---------- > From: Pamela Burns-Tappan > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Trademark Eye Opener-cost > Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 3:17 AM > > Well a wonderful gentleman who shared some insight into the trademark > registration process had this to say to me. He said that the registering > of your trademark name is easy. The cost is $240.00. Now, patents he > said were the spendy and time consuming ones. He has major experience in > both and said that given an easy hour anyone could fill out the paper > work. Don't know if he wants to speak up here so I'm keeping his name > out of this e-mail. > > I will say this to him. I got a chuckle out of your e-mail. It's amazing > who will pop up here at bungi sometimes with personal responses. I was > thrilled to death and no I'm not telling who it was so don't ask me > Patrick :) > > Here is the U.S. Patent and Trademark addy again in case anyone wants to > find out about the registration process. > > http://www.uspto.gov/ > > Happy registering all! > > Pam > > -- > ********************************* > The Stained Glass Artists > Pamela Burns-Tappan > Executive Director: > Advertising & Marketing > > > Proud Member Of: > > The Stained Glass Artists > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html > > Join our live glass chat! > http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html > > The International Guild of Glass Artists > http://www.igga.org/ > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 14:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:27:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: tuka Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dream Catcher Pattern Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:24:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.122444.0> References: <<1998Dec11.32132.0>> Precedence: bulk tuka wrote: > > >i could be wrong but i think spectrum's patterns may have a dream > >catcher design, somewhere in the archive. > > > >---Mike Savad > > I can't find one there. > > Shiela > > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > >11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak > preview > >of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's odd, because i could of swore i saw it. maybe it's in mary anne's treasure chest at W-C. or maybe it's one of the free pattern links in my links section; page 3 i think. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 14:54:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Creative castings Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:50:44 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec11.205044.0> Precedence: bulk I'm going to be doing a couple of dragons using the Creative Castings products. The last time I soldered glass to a metal product, I wept, and wailed, and gnashed my teeth - especially after getting it REAL hot with my iron and picking it up barehanded. If anyone has any clever tips or techniques, they would be greatly appreciated. (I already know not pick up hot things barehanded :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 15:55:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:07:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: Shay Friel To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks for the Welcome Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:03:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.13353.0> Precedence: bulk I thank you fro the great welcome and have a question to ask. How do you print out the patterns available on the bungi web site? Am I missing a program? They appear really large. Thanks Shay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 16:37:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:21:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Ergonomic, was Re: Shop Ideas? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:19:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.131957.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Witchdoc3@aol.com (Sparks): >Keep countertops a little on the low side, stand up, sit down, lean on the workbench (Christie's cutting table drives me nuts because it's on= wheels and I'm forever knocking it out of its caster cups - sorry, boss!)= < Hey, my Dad didn't build it for you. I love it. I've never knocked it out of the caster cups. Must tell us something about the differences in working styles between us two. I'm sure other folk's benches & equipment which they consider just right would drive me nuts too. Lesson for today....build your studio so that it suites you and is safe, and to h*ll with the rest of it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 18:00:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:35:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Creative castings Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:24:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.142436.0> Precedence: bulk Suggest you invest in a pair of hemostats [surgical clamps]....They are very inexpensive and are about the handiest tools I have. They grip and clamp on. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 7:05 PM Subject: Creative castings > >I'm going to be doing a couple of dragons using the Creative Castings >products. > >The last time I soldered glass to a metal product, I wept, and wailed, and >gnashed my teeth - especially after getting it REAL hot with my iron and >picking it up barehanded. > >If anyone has any clever tips or techniques, they would be greatly >appreciated. >(I already know not pick up hot things barehanded :) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 19:08:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:57:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!moondancer44 From: "Linda Johnson" To: glass@bungi.com, JJKIRBY@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Creative castings Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:50:08 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec12.1508.0> Precedence: bulk Having a damp cloth on hand to hold onto to the pewter piece with is a help. I also have a gadget (can't remember what it's called) but it's like an adjustable type clamp. Has two aligator clamps which are both adjustable seperately. Jewelers use this for doing some of their work. Serves as a wonderful third and fourth hand when you don't have someone nearby to help out. It cost me about $25.00 but was more than well worth it's cost. Check out your suppliers. Linda >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Fri Dec 11 15:40:41 1998 >Received: from [207.126.97.7] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail30908716663533506532495348116608733700; Fri Dec 11 15:40:41 1998 >Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28237; > Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:14:05 -0800 (PST) >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY >From: JJKIRBY@aol.com >To: glass@bungi.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: Creative castings >Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:50:44 EST >Message-ID: <1998Dec11.205044.0> >Precedence: bulk > > >I'm going to be doing a couple of dragons using the Creative Castings >products. > >The last time I soldered glass to a metal product, I wept, and wailed, and >gnashed my teeth - especially after getting it REAL hot with my iron and >picking it up barehanded. > >If anyone has any clever tips or techniques, they would be greatly >appreciated. >(I already know not pick up hot things barehanded :) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 20:06:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:45:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Creative castings Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:35:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199812120239.VAA12882@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >I'm going to be doing a couple of dragons using the Creative Castings >products. > >The last time I soldered glass to a metal product, I wept, and wailed, and >gnashed my teeth - especially after getting it REAL hot with my iron and >picking it up barehanded. > >If anyone has any clever tips or techniques, they would be greatly >appreciated. >(I already know not pick up hot things barehanded :) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi, I've made a few of these dragons. Lie the dragon down on its side and put the first wing on, tack it on the outside lightly. Then take dragon & wing gingerly, put it face down on your board. I find it helps to support the wing with a sponge or something so you're happy with the angle. Then take another sponge, same height, and take your time attaching that wing to match the first, both at point of attachment and spread...then solder them both sides. The first few I made I went crazy trying to hang with a jump ring from the middle of the body, but could never find the right center of gravity. I gave up and hang from two jump rings attached about the top of each wing. They're very popular now, almost as much as dragonflies. Good luck! Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 21:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:20:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Found It...Dream catcher pattern Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.181826.0> Precedence: bulk http://www.bungi.com/glass/patterns/orange~2.jpg this is a picture http://www.bungi.com/glass/patterns/orngpat1.jpg this is the pattern It was done by Linda Campbell Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 11 21:50:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:19:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Mary Ruger" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:12:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec11.171222.0> Precedence: bulk Send me your bio and I will stop the attacks of the cyber tequila worms. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ruger To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 12:41 PM Subject: Help! >I am receiving all of the messages twice, not at the same time. What do I >need to do to stop this! >Thanks in advance >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 00:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:05:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Welcome Linda Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:03:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199812120803.AAA17101@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Yo Linda, I'm a Canadian list:) Patrick,.... grin?????... has always been a VERY GOOD friend, but has become a little...drifted...no fence.... dear charmer!!! Something about the continual NAG of the DOG scares the pants off his TUTU!!! Hey Toby lives 49,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000 MILES!!!!!!! AWAY FROM HIS BONES, very big grin. Much love Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 03:57:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:21:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HUSKYGATOR From: HUSKYGATOR@aol.com To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Welcome Linda Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:17:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec12.101719.0> Precedence: bulk Just curious-what color is Patricks TuTu? Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 07:47:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:40:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Bungi List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Found It...Dream catcher pattern Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:38:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.43812.0> References: <<1998Dec11.181826.0>> Precedence: bulk Karen K. wrote: > > http://www.bungi.com/glass/patterns/orange~2.jpg this is a picture > http://www.bungi.com/glass/patterns/orngpat1.jpg this is the pattern > It was done by Linda Campbell > Karen > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ah hah, that's were i remember seeing it... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 09:24:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:13:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: , , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Welcome Linda Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:11:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.31126.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick's TuTu is Off-color. -----Original Message----- From: HUSKYGATOR@aol.com To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net ; glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Welcome Linda >Just curious-what color is Patricks TuTu? Linda >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 09:44:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:23:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #76 Luanne Kane Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:18:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.31820.0> Precedence: bulk A lurker replies, with a BIO, the hardest thing to write, but a good way to introduce ones self. I am a new lurker and already have benefited greatly by the information and generosity of all bungis. I was introduced to the bungi group by Linda Campbell, thank you Linda, and thank you all. My name is Luanne Kane, linked forever with Lead Lines Stained Glass Studio. I was born in Amityville, New York on June 5, 1956. I lived in 9 different states before settling here in Dunedin, Florida. Dunedin is a small town (50,000 people) on the west coast of Florida. I have been married to Jim Kane for 20 years and have a daughter 13 years old. I began my journey with stained glass in 1979. I was working as a Communications Technician with AT&T Long Lines in New Orleans, Louisiana. It was a good job for the corporate world but MONEY was the only thing that kept me there. Listen to your elders, NEVER DO IT FOR THE MONEY. I always had some kind of hobby, usually craft like, so stained glass naturally interested me. I enrolled in a 5 week course and was hooked. I began slowly, making gifts and then progressing to filling orders for my friends at work. I then started participating in local craft shows, later graduating to art shows. All this, while still working my day job. After a few years, I finally had the courage to quit my real job and plunge right in to the glass world. It was a difficult decision but the best one I ever made. My husband and I moved from New Orleans to Florida in 1983 and at this point I set up a studio in a spare bedroom and started a wholesale suncatcher business. I would make say about $1,000 worth of suncatchers and hit the road. I would call on small gift shops, show the owners my glass and sell the items right out of my cases. My work was well received and before I knew I had outgrown the bedroom studio and was searching for a studio outside the home. At this time Jim and I had also decided to start a family, with a baby on the way, we either had to move the business or move us all. I opted to move the business. The storefront I found was originally to be a place to work, not a real business. The area where the studio was had terrific walk-in traffic and with the natural curiosity of people, the studio immediately turned into a stained glass studio/gift shoppe. Before I knew it, I had employees for the studio and outside salespeople. The business was good from the beginning and a lot of work, in retrospect, I don't know how I ever managed to do it all. My daughter was with me all day at work, day care was not an option for me. She literally grew up in the studio and though it may not have always been the best situation for me, it was for her. I realized after 8 years that the business had turned me from artist to merchant/manager and I was looking for a way to simplify things. By this time, our family had moved into a larger home and after much consideration, I closed the business and set up the studio in our garage. The 8 years of storefront visibility had enabled me to build a client base. I have been working from home (again) since 1993 and the freedom and flexibility of working when I please has proved to be the best way for me. I work alone, do all sales myself, have a talented woodcrafter to do all major installations, all records are in a shoe box and life is great. I still wholesale suncatchers and small panels, do custom commission work and have a line of costume jewelry that I sell mainly to art centers and trendy gift shops. I no longer do shows, they proved to be difficult for me, hard to prepare for, etc. I have been teaching since 1980, with small sized classes at the store and now individual instruction at my garage studio. It is a wonderful way to pass on my love for glass and meet and make new friends through glass. I have met some of the nicest people through this crazy glass business and some of the craziest! I will probably be in this business forever, I find it to be very therapeutic and rewarding. On my worst day, it takes about 5 minutes in my studio to feel the tension go away. I never tire of making that same pattern (one more time) for wholesale and the excitement of a big custom job basically keeps me up all night. I hope I never lose my love of glass. The business seems to have come full circle in a very short time, funny how things work out. OUT OF LURKDOM NOW Luanne Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 09:58:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:35:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #77 PJ Friend Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:24:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.3249.0> Precedence: bulk ok here comes "one bio".....for your viewing pleasure. i was born an artist.....i never had to chose. although the choices in my life have been many i was born to create. my formative years were spent mainly in "performance art". i was AKA "the cowgirl", "the gypsy princess" and probably the only eight year old "female elvis impersonator". my audience was anyone who could sit for more than five minutes. by the age of twelve i had decided that California was the place i wanted to hang my surfboard, unable to find transportation or my parents blessing i found myself immersed in writing novels. by the age of fifteen i had written three and decided that California was way too sunny and definitely not bleak or desperate enough for me. new york, "the village " would be my destiny. with the best of my bob dylan music and my guitar in tow i followed my heart and my levis and sandals singing at coffee houses and corners where i would learn more of the art of living than anything else. by seventeen i had had enough of desperation and doom and found myself in the spotlight of the advertisement industry. under the wing of a few good agents i managed to survive the modeling industry unscathed and actually with some money in my pocket. in those days it could be done. i thought the film industry was were i would find my nirvana. i was sooo wrong. during this time i attended college where i majored in ceramics. the goal at that time was for potters see actually how big the biggest piece you could throw on the wheel. we used ladders and chairs to throw on the wheel. i don't remember if anything ever survived ....teapots became what i did best and the film industry was not where i wanted to be. at this point your probably thinking would she please get to the glass part........ok here goes............although there are a few side tracks. at twenty-one i married my soul mate. we owned a dog kennel and raised and showed great danes. after a few years and more than 200 puppies we decided that this was not the life we were destine for. we sold the kennel and moved to a quaint victorian town where stained glass thrived. it was the beginning of the resurgence of stained glass and revival of the old world techniques that had been long lost. so with books in hand paul and i decided that this is where we wanted to be. we opened a studio in a small town and hung out our shingle. and the work came. in the days before foiling machines and grinders we taught ourselves the art and the business of the art. the latter being the more important to survive. there was no place to go to classes.....no teachers to call upon for answers to questions and most professionals wouldn't tell you where they brought their supplies if your life depended on it. so we traveled and learned what we could from those who would share. the commission work came, the architect work came and the gallery work came. all we had to do was create. today with over twenty years in the studio we are still creating monumental works in stained and leaded glass. receiving commissions throughout the united states and Puerto Rico. the majority of our works being liturgical and art for public spaces. paul and i often laugh when people talk about retiring from work. we never look at our studio as a job....... it is our way of life. and the only way you retire from that is the obvious. this bio was created exclusively for bungi.com and may not be reprinted or reproduced without the permission of pj friend. thank you pj (who was once not a lurker.......) website www.waterw.com/~artglass Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 20:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:23:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #76 Luanne Kane Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:18:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.31820.0> Precedence: bulk A lurker replies, with a BIO, the hardest thing to write, but a good way to introduce ones self. I am a new lurker and already have benefited greatly by the information and generosity of all bungis. I was introduced to the bungi group by Linda Campbell, thank you Linda, and thank you all. My name is Luanne Kane, linked forever with Lead Lines Stained Glass Studio. I was born in Amityville, New York on June 5, 1956. I lived in 9 different states before settling here in Dunedin, Florida. Dunedin is a small town (50,000 people) on the west coast of Florida. I have been married to Jim Kane for 20 years and have a daughter 13 years old. I began my journey with stained glass in 1979. I was working as a Communications Technician with AT&T Long Lines in New Orleans, Louisiana. It was a good job for the corporate world but MONEY was the only thing that kept me there. Listen to your elders, NEVER DO IT FOR THE MONEY. I always had some kind of hobby, usually craft like, so stained glass naturally interested me. I enrolled in a 5 week course and was hooked. I began slowly, making gifts and then progressing to filling orders for my friends at work. I then started participating in local craft shows, later graduating to art shows. All this, while still working my day job. After a few years, I finally had the courage to quit my real job and plunge right in to the glass world. It was a difficult decision but the best one I ever made. My husband and I moved from New Orleans to Florida in 1983 and at this point I set up a studio in a spare bedroom and started a wholesale suncatcher business. I would make say about $1,000 worth of suncatchers and hit the road. I would call on small gift shops, show the owners my glass and sell the items right out of my cases. My work was well received and before I knew I had outgrown the bedroom studio and was searching for a studio outside the home. At this time Jim and I had also decided to start a family, with a baby on the way, we either had to move the business or move us all. I opted to move the business. The storefront I found was originally to be a place to work, not a real business. The area where the studio was had terrific walk-in traffic and with the natural curiosity of people, the studio immediately turned into a stained glass studio/gift shoppe. Before I knew it, I had employees for the studio and outside salespeople. The business was good from the beginning and a lot of work, in retrospect, I don't know how I ever managed to do it all. My daughter was with me all day at work, day care was not an option for me. She literally grew up in the studio and though it may not have always been the best situation for me, it was for her. I realized after 8 years that the business had turned me from artist to merchant/manager and I was looking for a way to simplify things. By this time, our family had moved into a larger home and after much consideration, I closed the business and set up the studio in our garage. The 8 years of storefront visibility had enabled me to build a client base. I have been working from home (again) since 1993 and the freedom and flexibility of working when I please has proved to be the best way for me. I work alone, do all sales myself, have a talented woodcrafter to do all major installations, all records are in a shoe box and life is great. I still wholesale suncatchers and small panels, do custom commission work and have a line of costume jewelry that I sell mainly to art centers and trendy gift shops. I no longer do shows, they proved to be difficult for me, hard to prepare for, etc. I have been teaching since 1980, with small sized classes at the store and now individual instruction at my garage studio. It is a wonderful way to pass on my love for glass and meet and make new friends through glass. I have met some of the nicest people through this crazy glass business and some of the craziest! I will probably be in this business forever, I find it to be very therapeutic and rewarding. On my worst day, it takes about 5 minutes in my studio to feel the tension go away. I never tire of making that same pattern (one more time) for wholesale and the excitement of a big custom job basically keeps me up all night. I hope I never lose my love of glass. The business seems to have come full circle in a very short time, funny how things work out. OUT OF LURKDOM NOW Luanne Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 20:25:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:35:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #77 PJ Friend Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:24:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.3249.0> Precedence: bulk ok here comes "one bio".....for your viewing pleasure. i was born an artist.....i never had to chose. although the choices in my life have been many i was born to create. my formative years were spent mainly in "performance art". i was AKA "the cowgirl", "the gypsy princess" and probably the only eight year old "female elvis impersonator". my audience was anyone who could sit for more than five minutes. by the age of twelve i had decided that California was the place i wanted to hang my surfboard, unable to find transportation or my parents blessing i found myself immersed in writing novels. by the age of fifteen i had written three and decided that California was way too sunny and definitely not bleak or desperate enough for me. new york, "the village " would be my destiny. with the best of my bob dylan music and my guitar in tow i followed my heart and my levis and sandals singing at coffee houses and corners where i would learn more of the art of living than anything else. by seventeen i had had enough of desperation and doom and found myself in the spotlight of the advertisement industry. under the wing of a few good agents i managed to survive the modeling industry unscathed and actually with some money in my pocket. in those days it could be done. i thought the film industry was were i would find my nirvana. i was sooo wrong. during this time i attended college where i majored in ceramics. the goal at that time was for potters see actually how big the biggest piece you could throw on the wheel. we used ladders and chairs to throw on the wheel. i don't remember if anything ever survived ....teapots became what i did best and the film industry was not where i wanted to be. at this point your probably thinking would she please get to the glass part........ok here goes............although there are a few side tracks. at twenty-one i married my soul mate. we owned a dog kennel and raised and showed great danes. after a few years and more than 200 puppies we decided that this was not the life we were destine for. we sold the kennel and moved to a quaint victorian town where stained glass thrived. it was the beginning of the resurgence of stained glass and revival of the old world techniques that had been long lost. so with books in hand paul and i decided that this is where we wanted to be. we opened a studio in a small town and hung out our shingle. and the work came. in the days before foiling machines and grinders we taught ourselves the art and the business of the art. the latter being the more important to survive. there was no place to go to classes.....no teachers to call upon for answers to questions and most professionals wouldn't tell you where they brought their supplies if your life depended on it. so we traveled and learned what we could from those who would share. the commission work came, the architect work came and the gallery work came. all we had to do was create. today with over twenty years in the studio we are still creating monumental works in stained and leaded glass. receiving commissions throughout the united states and Puerto Rico. the majority of our works being liturgical and art for public spaces. paul and i often laugh when people talk about retiring from work. we never look at our studio as a job....... it is our way of life. and the only way you retire from that is the obvious. this bio was created exclusively for bungi.com and may not be reprinted or reproduced without the permission of pj friend. thank you pj (who was once not a lurker.......) website www.waterw.com/~artglass Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 20:41:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:26:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:16:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199812121625.QAA02976@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk I quite agree Dani, Patrick is getting quite upset and obsessed about his gnomon. It must be that strange Irish logic of his (i.e. non-existant!) No wonder Toby is chomping at the bit/s. Can't say I blame him!! English Christmas food consists of turkey; Neither Toby nor me like turkey very much. I am preparing traditional Swedish Christmas fayre, consisting of huge hunk of gammon, soaked in mustard, baked gently in the oven with cloves, other spices and a thick coating of wine vinegar and mustard, served with gently pickled red cabbage. . Toby is stomping his feet and DEMANDS a real hunk of Irish Mutton this year - keep the cloves and mustard, he says!!! So no turkey! Anyhow, turkeys have to be "de-feathered", the Irish Mutton has no hair, few feathers, so the job will be easy. The gammon .... just a quick flash with the blow-torch to singe the bristles. Easy! Swedish Christmas is December 24th. So here I am preparing gammon a la mode Suedoise and Pat.... (sorry!) Irish Mutton in one household (for about 12 family & guests 'n "orphans") .... and preparing a wretched turkey for another household ( Mother-in-Law for the 25th). So....the less Bios.... the more Irish Mutton for Toby ...... Elisabeth 'n Toby in a 2-household "toggling mode" > Patrick! > > If you would give folks better = > > instructions on what you expect > from them re: the bios, they > wouldn't post them straight to > bungi! You can't count those = > > posts just to save your silly > little gnoman! Now, do it right, = > > post the destructions every now > and then for the newbies, and > give 'em your addy. Some of us > have better things to do than = > > spending our time designing a > new gnoman for you! Good grief. > > Happy Hols! ;-) > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 20:44:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:26:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NON SG - tutu Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:16:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199812121625.QAA02979@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, Pale pink of course!! E 'n T in UK > Just curious-what color is Patricks TuTu? Linda > ---- ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 20:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:26:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:16:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199812121625.QAA02973@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Dani, and ALL I am going to need to take some time out very soon to redress the neglect I have subjected this lovely person to; In fact, Peggy has been the main inspiration for me to make my own trip to USA come to fruition. Her crisp and clear focus, her modesty and unassuming ways, her knowledge of stained glass and her incredible sense of fun is quite unique. Her sense of purpose and just quietly "doing it" has my complete admiration. When she was over in UK, we discussed plans, course publications and structured teaching and all sorts of things. I have very treasured copies of some of her courses and curriculums (curriculi??) She has "out-lines" of mine. My own are still not on the press yet. So,... I am absolutely delighted (!!!) it has happened. I am (to coin an English phrase) "thrilled to bits" that Peggy's work is now coming out. Her generosity of spirit and of sharing and as a teacher is really quite something. Her ideas, thinking and communicating them are down to earth, sensible and sensitive. I for one, wish the publication of her Manual a roaring success. I for one will look forward myself to acquiring my own copy with great pride. As for a re-union in USA..... just can't wait!!! Good on you Peggy!! Everyone HERE remembers you and asks about you! "Hatching" my own Christmas message to you.... Congratulations!!!! Am bursting with Pride! (And everytime I mention the word "Peggy", Toby's ears lift about an inch and he gets a silly grin on his face.....) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Dani wrote: snip > Okay, now I can yell it from the hill > tops: CONGRATULATIONS, Peggy! > I've already sent Albert a check to > review the book and if my next summer > and fall semester classes fly, *maybe > I can use it as one of the texts.. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 20:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:47:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Creative castings Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:30:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.5305.0> Precedence: bulk Another hint.. Solder the wing over the side of a large coffee can. This will curve the wing. The effect is much better. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: suzy@comcat.com To: glass bungi line Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Creative castings >> >>I'm going to be doing a couple of dragons using the Creative Castings >>products. >> >>The last time I soldered glass to a metal product, I wept, and wailed, and >>gnashed my teeth - especially after getting it REAL hot with my iron and >>picking it up barehanded. >> >>If anyone has any clever tips or techniques, they would be greatly >>appreciated. >>(I already know not pick up hot things barehanded :) >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >Hi, I've made a few of these dragons. Lie the dragon down on its side and >put the first wing on, tack it on the outside lightly. Then take dragon & >wing gingerly, put it face down on your board. I find it helps to support >the wing with a sponge or something so you're happy with the angle. Then >take another sponge, same height, and take your time attaching that wing >to match the first, both at point of attachment and spread...then solder >them both sides. > >The first few I made I went crazy trying to hang with a jump ring from >the middle of the body, but could never find the right center of gravity. >I gave up and hang from two jump rings attached about the top of each >wing. They're very popular now, almost as much as dragonflies. Good luck! > >Suzannah >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 21:07:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:49:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative castings Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:11:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec12.16112.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/11/98 9:01:59 PM, grannyandpawpaw@tricountyi.net wrote: >Suggest you invest in a pair of hemostats [surgical clamps]....They are very >inexpensive and are about the handiest tools I have. They grip and clamp >on. The thing that Linda "moondancer44" is talking abut is an X-acto "X-tra Hands" gizmo. It clamps to your workbench and has 2 alligator-clip looking things on adjustable mounts. My ex's model-railroad buddies swear by it to hold model parts for gluing. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 21:16:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:19:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!SUZIEQ1 From: "Sandra I Gustafson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Mylar Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.123919.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Hope you all have a peaceful and wonderful glass filled Christmas. Where do you all find your mylar? I want to try the light box method. I have searched all over Athens for the mylar, to no avail. I tried using page protectors for my patterns, but it is not thick enough and keeps moving while I trace. Please someone help!!!!!! Sandy Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 21:31:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:21:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Dani Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.131456.0> Precedence: bulk congratulations from us too peggy. nice to see something new out there in the way of teaching. my best, pj From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 8:22 PM Subject: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" >Okay, now I can yell it from the hill >tops: CONGRATULATIONS, Peggy! >I've already sent Albert a check to >review the book and if my next summer >and fall semester classes fly, *maybe >I can use it as one of the texts... we'll = > >see. In the meanwhile, I'm glad >we're starting to see some new books >about stained glass. Hooray for you >Peggy - for taking the time and energy >and commitment to DO it! > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >www.igga.org/greer/ = > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 21:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:01:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Perfect Studio Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:59:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.165910.0> Precedence: bulk One word ...... Wheels. Put wheels on everything you can. Not cheap wheels, quality wheels, the type that have a brake on them. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 21:55:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:48:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Testing.........NON SG... Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:49:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec13.0492.0> Precedence: bulk Excuse this letter please....haven't received any mail. Wanted to make sure my bungi mail was still coming through. I don't know if I have been bumped off bungi or everybody is real quiet. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 22:06:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:50:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio #76 Luanne Kane Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:45:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.184525.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick, I must be psyhic, having a word for word vision of this very same bio recently....or could it be that this is a re-post? Shame on you! Call out the dogs. Karen > > A lurker replies, with a BIO, the hardest thing to write, but a good >way >to introduce ones self. I am a new lurker and already have benefited >greatly >by the information and generosity of all bungis. I was introduced to the >bungi group by Linda Campbell, thank you Linda, and thank you all. > > My name is Luanne Kane, linked forever with Lead Lines Stained Glass >Studio. I was born in Amityville, New York on June 5, 1956. I lived in 9 >different states before settling here in Dunedin, Florida. Dunedin is a >small >town (50,000 people) on the west coast of Florida. I have been married to >Jim >Kane for 20 years and have a daughter 13 years old. > > I began my journey with stained glass in 1979. I was working as a >Communications Technician with AT&T Long Lines in New Orleans, Louisiana. >It >was a good job for the corporate world but MONEY was the only thing that >kept >me there. Listen to your elders, NEVER DO IT FOR THE MONEY. I always had >some kind of hobby, usually craft like, so stained glass naturally >interested >me. I enrolled in a 5 week course and was hooked. I began slowly, making >gifts and then progressing to filling orders for my friends at work. I >then >started participating in local craft shows, later graduating to art shows. >All this, while still working my day job. After a few years, I finally had >the courage to quit my real job and plunge right in to the glass world. It >was a difficult decision but the best one I ever made. My husband and I >moved >from New Orleans to Florida in 1983 and at this point I set up a studio in a >spare bedroom and started a wholesale suncatcher business. I would make say >about $1,000 worth of suncatchers and hit the road. I would call on small >gift shops, show the owners my glass and sell the items right out of my >cases. >My work was well received and before I knew I had outgrown the bedroom >studio >and was searching for a studio outside the home. At this time Jim and I had >also decided to start a family, with a baby on the way, we either had to >move >the business or move us all. I opted to move the business. The storefront >I >found was originally to be a place to work, not a real business. The area >where the studio was had terrific walk-in traffic and with the natural >curiosity of people, the studio immediately turned into a stained glass >studio/gift shoppe. Before I knew it, I had employees for the studio and >outside salespeople. The business was good from the beginning and a lot of >work, in retrospect, I don't know how I ever managed to do it all. My >daughter was with me all day at work, day care was not an option for me. >She >literally grew up in the studio and though it may not have always been the >best situation for me, it was for her. I realized after 8 years that the >business had turned me from artist to merchant/manager and I was looking for >a >way to simplify things. By this time, our family had moved into a larger >home >and after much consideration, I closed the business and set up the studio in >our garage. The 8 years of storefront visibility had enabled me to build a >client base. I have been working from home (again) since 1993 and the >freedom >and flexibility of working when I please has proved to be the best way for >me. >I work alone, do all sales myself, have a talented woodcrafter to do all >major installations, all records are in a shoe box and life is great. I >still >wholesale suncatchers and small panels, do custom commission work and have a >line of costume jewelry that I sell mainly to art centers and trendy gift >shops. I no longer do shows, they proved to be difficult for me, hard to >prepare for, etc. I have been teaching since 1980, with small sized classes >at >the store and now individual instruction at my garage studio. It is a >wonderful way to pass on my love for glass and meet and make new friends >through glass. I have met some of the nicest people through this crazy glass >business and some of the craziest! I will probably be in this business >forever, I find it to be very therapeutic and rewarding. On my worst day, it >takes about 5 minutes in my studio to feel the tension go away. I never tire >of making that same pattern (one more time) for wholesale and the excitement >of a big custom job basically keeps me up all night. I hope I never lose my >love of glass. The business seems to have come full circle in a very short >time, funny how things work out. > >OUT OF LURKDOM NOW > >Luanne > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 22:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:47:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.194341.0> Precedence: bulk Sandra, try a company that sells drafting & engineering type supplies. Karen >Hi everyone, Hope you all have a peaceful and wonderful glass filled >Christmas. > >Where do you all find your mylar? I want to try the light box method. I >have searched all over Athens for the mylar, to no avail. I tried using >page protectors for my patterns, but it is not thick enough and keeps moving >while I trace. > >Please someone help!!!!!! > >Sandy >Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 23:09:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:08:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: NG: Re: Perfect Stucio Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:58:06 -0500 Message-ID: <199812130602.BAA19243@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Our Patrick Writes: >One word ...... Wheels. Put wheels on everything you can. Not cheap wheels, >quality wheels, the type that have a brake on them. > > Now would we be putting wheels on YOU, Patrick, when you make your Grand Entrance into W/C with your tutu??? Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 23:19:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:12:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:10:37 -0800 Message-ID: <199812130610.WAA31451@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Toby is stomping his feet and DEMANDS a real hunk of Irish Mutton >this year - keep the cloves and mustard, he says!!! >So no turkey! >Anyhow, turkeys have to be "de-feathered", the Irish Mutton has no >hair, few feathers, so the job will be easy. Elisabeth...are you sure the IRish mutton will be easy to prepare...I hear the skin is tough and the meat stringy. Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 23:32:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:27:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: NG: Re: Bio #76 Luanne Kane Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:17:53 -0500 Message-ID: <199812130621.BAA20175@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Karen wrote: >Patrick, I must be psyhic, having a word for word vision of this very >same bio recently....or could it be that this is a re-post? Shame on >you! Call out the dogs. No Karen, you didn't have a vision. This bio was posted quite recently. The bare facts are, Patrick has been caught cheating again. Now it could be that he's just forgotten to take his medication since the Rest Home released him in which case we must forgive him. Or it could be a bald-faced attempt at hoodwinkery. My vote goes for the latter. Maybe we should at least get Toby over here for a few days. Not to Texas, but, say, Oklahoma, where he could be on call. Elisabeth, would you consider lending Toby out for a week or so? I'll bet Suzanne from Tulsa wouldn't mind taking care of him for a bit. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 23:40:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:40:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: Sandra I Gustafson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:34:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.203411.0> References: <<1998Dec12.123919.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I've only seen it in 8 1/2 by 11, but I use the stuff used for overhead transparency foils (get it from work cheap 8^) Sandra I Gustafson wrote: > Hi everyone, Hope you all have a peaceful and wonderful glass filled > Christmas. > > Where do you all find your mylar? I want to try the light box method. I > have searched all over Athens for the mylar, to no avail. I tried using > page protectors for my patterns, but it is not thick enough and keeps moving > while I trace. > > Please someone help!!!!!! > > Sandy > Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 12 23:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:45:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: Bungi List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio #76 Luanne Kane Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.20390.0> References: <<1998Dec12.184525.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Geez, has it been 13 weeks already? Reruns in December? I guess Novenber sweeps are over. Karen K. wrote: > Patrick, I must be psyhic, having a word for word vision of this very > same bio recently....or could it be that this is a re-post? Shame on > you! Call out the dogs. > Karen -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 00:40:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:54:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG:NG NG NG NG Re: Bio #76 Luanne Kane Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:02:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec12.20227.0> References: <<199812130621.BAA20175@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > consider lending Toby out for a week or so? > I'll bet Suzanne from Tulsa wouldn't mind taking care of him for a bit. > Sure, Toby's welcome here...but he'll have to be forewarned...there's no room in the bed. They only let me have about 4 inches! Good thing I am good at balancing on my side on the edge! ;o) Now, I am sure Beau would just love to have a playmate! Tulsa suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 02:08:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:13:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: lcbell@memach.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Dream Catcher Pattern Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:07:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec13.9738.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda et al, Beautiful job on your dream catcher!!! Can't believe the photo you took! Quite impressive too! Thanks for sharing. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 03:48:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:41:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HUSKYGATOR From: HUSKYGATOR@aol.com To: chitchay@worldnet.att.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: New Member Saying Hi =F6=BF=F6?= Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 05:40:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec13.104052.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome. How do you find time with your schedule as a nurse? My name is Linda and we are almost neighbors. I live in Gainesville. I am sure you will enjoy this board as much as I, there are so many knowledgeable people here. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 04:00:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:06:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:03:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec13.11353.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Peggy, Congratulations! yet again!!! Am looking forward to purchasing and using your manual for teaching my classes! How wonderful that you are published! Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 06:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 05:43:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:40:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.14054.0> Precedence: bulk Oh Frit!! Caught again. Does this mean I'm fired? Top 10 excuses: 1. The Devil made me do it. 2. The dog ate my homework. 3. We have a full moon. 4. My gnomon is not working. 5. Its in the stars. 6. The cat walked across the keyboard. 7. Braincramp 8. I made a wrong turn in "Whoville" 9. I stepped in something with my good ballet slippers on. 10. I was excited by the QVC Tiara show. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 06:55:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 05:45:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #78 Sara Bross Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:44:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.14430.0> Precedence: bulk My name is Sarah. I grew up in a small farming town outside of Austin and still visit there quite frequently. When I was very small my grandmother started teaching me how to do various types of needlework. From there I moved on to any kind of craft I could find. After marrying my first husband in 1982, I began doing ceramics. This is where I really took off! I had no idea that I could paint before I attempted ceramics. The ceramics continued for many years and I actually opened a ceramic shop. I was certified as an instructor by one of the well-known manufacturers and absolutely loved teaching. The problem was I hated everything else. I was much too young and undisciplined to stay on top of the bookkeeping/taxes etc. After about 2 years I was on the verge of divorce and the shop just was not stable enough to support me and my 3 year old daughter. Time to find a real job. I went to work as a secretary, the divorce went through and due to financial concerns, crafts were pretty much out of the question for many years. As a matter of fact, my ex got "custody" of my kilns and all my molds in the divorce agreement, which he promptly sold to another retailer. Fast forward several years to my 10 year high school reunion. Yes, I met someone special. It was really strange because we had attended kindergarten together at a private school in Austin, then both of our families had gone different directions and in our junior year we again ended up in the same place. Well within the year we were in Vegas getting married. Shortly after the wedding, he received a job offer in Maryland. Now up until this time I had only been out of Texas like 3 times in my entire life and all of a sudden we were moving to Maryland. Maryland was OK, but as any native Texan will tell you, there is no place like home. It was in Maryland that I started building doll houses. After 2 houses and a stable the apartment was no longer big enough for anymore. Besides, it was time to move back home. My husband accepted a job in the Houston area and here we are! My best friend who had been patiently waiting for me to move back took me to her Aunt's house nearly a year ago to learn stained glass. I spent a Saturday with her and made an absolutely incredible dove suncatcher! I was amazed that it was something I could do! At the time I was living in a very small apartment while looking for a house, so my next few projects were limited to very small things...more sun catchers and a couple angels. I was so lucky when we found our dream house....it had a 4-car garage! Since then I've been slowly turning half of it into my "studio." I have done a few panels (both lead and foil). My cutting has improved tremendously! My soldering is improving all the time. And the best part is that my husband started doing glass, too! He is much, much better at lead than I am, although I can still run circles around him with foil! ;-) My (now 15 year old) daughter is also doing her first piece. She is a natural at cutting because she has no fear of the glass (no fear of breaking it or messing up pieces...maybe because she isn't paying for it!!). My mother-in-law is building a new house and my very first panel was for her. She wanted me to make her a transom window to go above her bedroom door. She choose a bevel cluster and I designed a very simple panel around the cluster with a border in bevels. Not only was it my first panel, it was also my first lead project. It turned out really well! We took it to her home to show her and on the way home one piece of glass cracked, so it was also my first repair. My husband is now repairing two antique panels that the in-laws purchased "real cheap" which will also be included in their new house. That's about it! After Christmas I want to learn to do stepping stones. And, having worked with kilns before during the ceramic phase, I REALLY want to learn slumping, fusing, etc. The really amazing thing is my 4-car garage has a 220 outlet which was originally installed for a welder...all I would have to do is change out the plug! Being frequently in Austin, I had thought about writing to Patrick to see if I could meet him and see some of his work. After lurking on this list for quite awhile, I am no longer sure that I would be able to handle a meeting with Patrick. I'm afraid that he would wear his tutu and I would find myself rudely staring at his gnomon! And how would I explain that to hubby....I don't remember his glass but he has a fine gnomon! ;-) Hopefully this will satisfy that European Mutt for awhile! (Toby, I'm just kidding!) Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 07:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 05:52:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: SUZIEQ1@prodigy.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:46:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec13.134647.0> Precedence: bulk I get my mylar at a drafting supplier, used to be able to get nice thick stuff that was matte finish on one side and shiny on the other (that helped in remembering the front and back of the patterns) can't find it anymore. If you need me to go and look for some thicker mylar for you let me know. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 07:20:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 05:56:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Bio#78 Sara Bross, NG Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:50:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.15056.0> Precedence: bulk <> Austin, Texas is a very liberal town. When I wear my TuTu I'm just another "face" in the crowd. Next time you are going to Austin, let me know. I'll introduce you to a few more members of Bungi. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 07:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:03:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: , , Subject: Re: New Member Saying Hi ö¿ö Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:01:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199812131401.JAA23197@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk I am in Jacksonville, Fl. Good to know there are other people willing to talk glass around here. Since I started in glass 11 years ago I haven't known or talked to a person that did glass. I just a very few weeks of reading this page I have learned a lot. I am getting ready to re-do my studio, and wheels sticks in my mind. Eljay (Linda JO) -----Original Message----- From: HUSKYGATOR@aol.com To: chitchay@worldnet.att.net ; glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 6:54 AM Subject: Re: New Member Saying Hi ö¿ö >Welcome. How do you find time with your schedule as a nurse? My name is >Linda and we are almost neighbors. I live in Gainesville. I am sure you will >enjoy this board as much as I, there are so many knowledgeable people here. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 07:35:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:10:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG Xmas dinner, was Re: le bio nagger Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:08:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec13.14841.0> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth 'n' Toby announce their Christmas menu: >traditional Swedish Christmas >fayre, consisting of huge hunk of gammon, soaked in mustard, baked >gently in the oven with cloves, other spices and a thick coating of >wine vinegar and mustard, served with gently pickled red cabbage. Gammon? Someone mentioned "lutefisk" to me the other day. Sounded definitively un- yummy. But that's Norwegian, isn't it? And you are going to uncork some of your homemade wine, yes? I and mine go for prime rib for Xmas (turkey is for Thanksgiving, and with only 3 of us, it takes so long even to eat up a turkey breast, never mind a whole bird, that by Xmas we're ready for something different!) Sparks p.s. Happy St. Lucia's day (isn't that coming up right around now?) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 07:54:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:39:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!Elsiemt From: Elsie Turqman To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: X-tra hands Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:35:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.4359.0> References: <<1998Dec12.16112.0>> Precedence: bulk There is also a gizmo that has a weighted bottom and adjustable arms and clips. I think its from radio shack, I received it as a gift, it works really well for small items. Elsie Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/98 9:01:59 PM, grannyandpawpaw@tricountyi.net wrote: > > >Suggest you invest in a pair of hemostats [surgical clamps]....They are very > >inexpensive and are about the handiest tools I have. They grip and clamp > >on. > > The thing that Linda "moondancer44" is talking abut is an X-acto "X-tra Hands" > gizmo. It clamps to your workbench and has 2 alligator-clip looking things on > adjustable mounts. My ex's model-railroad buddies swear by it to hold model > parts for gluing. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 08:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:45:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Creative castings Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:39:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.43921.0> Precedence: bulk Another tool, might be the one you mean, is the clamp used by fly-tying fishermen. It is 2 alligator clamps on a swivel arm set with swivels to a base. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Creative castings > >In a message dated 12/11/98 9:01:59 PM, grannyandpawpaw@tricountyi.net wrote: > >>Suggest you invest in a pair of hemostats [surgical clamps]....They are very >>inexpensive and are about the handiest tools I have. They grip and clamp >>on. > >The thing that Linda "moondancer44" is talking abut is an X-acto "X-tra Hands" >gizmo. It clamps to your workbench and has 2 alligator-clip looking things on >adjustable mounts. My ex's model-railroad buddies swear by it to hold model >parts for gluing. > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 09:15:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:17:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Pat Kelly" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.6158.0> Precedence: bulk QVC had a tiara show and i missed it???? Just have to get out of the studio more. pj -----Original Message----- From: Pat Kelly To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 9:54 AM Subject: Re: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG >Oh Frit!! Caught again. Does this mean I'm fired? > >Top 10 excuses: > > > >1. The Devil made me do it. >2. The dog ate my homework. >3. We have a full moon. >4. My gnomon is not working. >5. Its in the stars. >6. The cat walked across the keyboard. >7. Braincramp >8. I made a wrong turn in "Whoville" >9. I stepped in something with my good ballet slippers on. >10. I was excited by the QVC Tiara show. > > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 09:40:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:45:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!DebiH44 From: DebiH44@aol.com To: Romajoco@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Testing.........NON SG... Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:42:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec13.164252.0> Precedence: bulk Mine is coming in loud and clear! Quite alot if I'm a few days behind in reading it. I guess my silent time is over and I should get a bio together before I'm attacked. DebiH44 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 09:50:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:00:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bio #78 Sara Bross Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:08:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.5857.0> References: <<1998Dec13.14430.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Sara. Welcome to bungiland. I have only been here a few months, but love it and the people. I live in Tulsa...if you are ever gonna be up this way let me know and come see me. I personally cant wait to meet Patrick...as I dont meet as many colorful people as I used to...must have something to do with hanging out in my studio attached to the back of my house all the time. I do know all the squirells and birds in the neighborhood though! ;o) Sorry to hear the ex got the kilns! Man. Hope he got all the bills too! ;o) Take care. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 11:40:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:42:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Client from Hell updates Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:41:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.84132.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Carol Swann >Just curious and wanting an update on your client from hell...the one th= at wanted the sidelights recut 1/16" smaller than they were so they would fi= t right...how did that go?< It finally went in OK. Took 3 hours and some more re-framing of the zinc. Now I know why lead is preferred to zinc in major instal- lations - I could have shaved off the lead if it was a hair too thick. Not so the zinc. So, live and learn. In the end the three panels were installed and the customer happy. I, however, so disliked the finished product (just because I had to reframe it 3 times) that I didn't take my camera to photograph it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 12:42:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:58:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Mylar Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:56:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.75638.0> Precedence: bulk You might try to get mylar from an Office Supply. Usually, they keep supplies for architects, draftsman (or is it draftspersons now). Don't be shocked at the price. It is expensive. You might ask call local architects, etc. and see if you can talk them out of used mylar and exchange it for a suncatcher or two. Also, getting to know these type people is good for business. BTW you can remove the ink on the overhead transparencies with rubbing alcohol. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 12:57:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: toby@northlights.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:42:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec13.194251.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/12/98 8:42:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: << be that strange Irish logic of his (i.e. non-existant!) >> As a dues paying member of the Celtic Liberation Front, I hope we're not starting a trend here, or I'll be forced to share my views on Anglo - Saxons. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 13:43:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:42:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Pat Kelly" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Bio #78 Sara Bross Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:41:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.10412.0> Precedence: bulk Sara's bio was great... I don't know, maybe it should count for two since it ended with a pretty long chuckle!! Best ;-) Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 13:57:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:42:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Pat Kelly" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:41:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.10414.0> Precedence: bulk Fired?!!! You've got to be kidding. = Your punishment is to post FOUR bios every week for the next month!! Fired indeed! No need to sound so eager about it! = ;-) Happy Hols! Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 14:12:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:16:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG: Another Night before Christmas for you computer geniuses Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:08:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.5822.0> References: <<36733E05.5D75@presys.com>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > > Microsoft Christmas > > >Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house > >Not a creature was stirring, except Papa's mouse. > >The computer was humming, the icons were hopping, > >As Papa did last-minute Internet shopping. > >The stockings were hung by the modem with care > >In hope that St. Nicholas would bring new software. > >The children were nestled all snug in their beds, > >While visions of computer games danced in their heads. > >Page Maker for Billy, and Quicken for Dan, > >And Carmen Sandiego for Pamela Ann. > >The letters to Santa had been sent out by Mom, > >To santaclaus@toyshop.northpole.com > >Which has now been re-routed to Washington State > >Because Santa's workshop has been bought by Bill Gates. > >All the elves and reindeer have had to skedaddle > >To flashy new quarters in suburban Seattle. > >After centuries of a life that was simple and spare, > >St. Nicholas is suddenly a new billionaire, > >With a shiny red Porsche in the place of his sleigh, > >And a house on Lake Washington that's just down the way > >>>From where Bill has his mansion. The old fellow preens > >In black Gucci boots and red Calvin Klein jeans. > >The elves have stock options and desks with a view, > >Where they write computer code for Johnny and Sue. > >No more dolls or tin soldiers or little toy drums > >Will be under the tree, only compact disk ROMS > >With the Microsoft label. And don't you be late, > >>>From now on Christmas runs only on Win98. > >More rapid than eagles the competitors came, > >And Bill whistled, and shouted, and called them by name. > >"Now, ADOBE! now, CLARIS! now, INTUIT! too, > >Now, APPLE! and NETSCAPE! you are all of you through, > >It is Microsoft's SANTA that the kids can't resist, > >It's the ultimate software with a traditional twist. > >Recommended by no less than the jolly old elf, > >And on the package, a picture of Santa himself. > >Get 'em young, keep 'em long, is Microsoft's scheme, > >And a merger with Santa is a marketer's dream. > >To the top of the NASDAQ! to the top of the Dow! > >Now dash away! dash away! dash away - wow!" > >And Mama in her 'kerchief and I in my cap, > >Had just settled down for a long winter's nap, > >When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter, > >The whir and the hum of our satellite platter, > >As it turned toward that new Christmas star in the sky, > >The SANTALITE owned by the Microsoft guy. > >As I sprang from my bed and was turning around, > >My computer turned on with a Jingle-Bells sound. > >And there on the screen was a smiling Bill Gates > >Next to jolly old Santa, two arm-in-arm mates. > >And I heard them exclaim in voices so bright, > >Have a MICROSOFT CHRISTMAS, and TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT. > --- > > _________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 17:46:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:48:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Yegnim@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "Basic Stained Glass: A Competency Based Instructor's Manual" Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:48:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec13.84814.0> References: <<1998Dec13.11353.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Lenore for your kind words. I am awed that the manual has actually come out and must thank Suzy (Suzanne the First) for her editing skills to ensure no dangling participles or serious grammar errors. As a very shy person I am overwhelmed at all of the congratulations I have received. My thanks to each of you for your kind words. Peggy On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 Yegnim@aol.com wrote: > Dear Peggy, > > Congratulations! yet again!!! Am looking forward to purchasing and using your > manual for teaching my classes! How wonderful that you are published! > > Lenore > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 18:09:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:54:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: le bio nagger NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG NG Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:45:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199812140054.AAA00521@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Aha!! ;-) Just as well then that I am a crotchety, stubborn old Viking!! (teehee!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > In a message dated 12/12/98 8:42:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, > toby@northlights.co.uk writes: > > << be that strange Irish logic of his (i.e. non-existant!) >> > > As a dues paying member of the Celtic Liberation Front, I hope we're not > starting a trend here, or I'll be forced to share my views on Anglo - Saxons. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 18:15:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:55:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG:NG NG NG NG Re: Bio #76 Luanne Kane Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:45:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199812140054.AAA00527@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk .....MMMmmmm My own bed is 65 inches wide; I know what you mean about those precious 4 inches. Toby is quite happy with the remaining mere 61 inches and has already applied for his own passport..... The Irish Mutton will be chopped up into a casserole (for which I am particularly famous and popular), so it doesn't matter if the meat is of inferior quality to start with. By the time I've finished with it, it will be supurb (says Toby!). We can keep the s.g. tutu I rest my case! Suzanne in Tulsa (and Beau!) Toby is on his way..... Regards Elisabeth 'n..... TOBY!! TOBY?? WHERE ARE YOU???? UK?? > > consider lending Toby out for a week or so? > > I'll bet Suzanne from Tulsa wouldn't mind taking care of him for a bit. > > > > > Sure, Toby's welcome here...but he'll have to be forewarned...there's no > room in the bed. They only let me have about 4 inches! Good thing I am > good at balancing on my side on the edge! ;o) > > Now, I am sure Beau would just love to have a playmate! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 18:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:55:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG Xmas dinner, was Re: le bio nagger Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:45:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199812140054.AAA00517@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Gammon??! It is the haunch of the pig which has been either salted , or (as in Sweden) gently smoked over juniper berries. Lutfisk? Yep we have that too, It's cod that has been cut open, streteched across a kind of trellis, salted and sundried for about 6 months. Before you cook it, you have to soak for about 2 weeks in a mustard solution. When you cook it, you have to be extremely careful with the timing, or it turns out like wall-paper glue. My Lutfisk turned out like an inedible "mush" of wall-paper glue of the worst kind, so I am not repeating that culinary experiment again. You should be so lucky; at least you have not been exposed to Swedish "Surstroemming". (roughly translated: sour baltic herring), You catch it, kill it, bury it into the ground and let it ferment for about 6 months, then dig it up again, tin it or bottle it. You need to be kind of careful when you open the tin or bottle, as it's likely to explode. Served with new potatoes, parsley and dill , raw-grated carrots and plenty of Swedish "schnapps". A certain amount of it tends to get lodged in the ceiling, assuring at least one uninhabited room in the house for a period of time..... Ahhhh... those Swedish summers....... Lucia-Day?? Ah Yes! Queen of Lights, with live candles in her hair, tip-toeing through the houses on December 13th, armed with a coffee-pot, "lussekatt" (a particular piece of pastry) and a bucket of water (in case the candles set her hair on fire....). She was actually a Swedish Florence Nightingale once upon a time, bringing solace, coffe and cheer to wounded soldiers in wintry Swedish camps. The home-made wine (apples and blackberries), by the way, won't be ready until Christmas 1999. Care to join me?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Elisabeth 'n' Toby announce their Christmas menu: > > >traditional Swedish Christmas > >fayre, consisting of huge hunk of gammon, soaked in mustard, baked > >gently in the oven with cloves, other spices and a thick coating of > >wine vinegar and mustard, served with gently pickled red cabbage. > > Gammon? > > Someone mentioned "lutefisk" to me the other day. Sounded definitively un- > yummy. But that's Norwegian, isn't it? > > And you are going to uncork some of your homemade wine, yes? > > I and mine go for prime rib for Xmas (turkey is for Thanksgiving, and with > only 3 of us, it takes so long even to eat up a turkey breast, never mind a > whole bird, that by Xmas we're ready for something different!) > > > Sparks > > p.s. Happy St. Lucia's day (isn't that coming up right around now?) > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 20:17:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:36:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "Intrastar List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: UK Dining Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:34:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.173419.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone else have the feeling they might want to pack a sack lunch if their planning a trip to the UK. Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 21:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:21:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Intrastar List" , "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Storing your goods? Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.18181.0> Precedence: bulk Recently someone posted that you shouldn't store your finished goods in your work space because the solder fumes in the air would speed up the oxidization process. Good news for me, I hate hauling the boxes up & dow= n the stairs for a show anyway. I plan on building a large wall cabinet i= n the back of our garage to store my finished goods, this way I can back th= e cargo trailer in the garage to load up for shows. I live in MI. where i= t gets down to -10=BA to -20=BA in the winter. Is it going to get too= cold to store glass and stepping stones over the winter? The stones were made several months ago and are fully cured by now but I still would keep them off the cement floor. And what about just leaving it in the trailer where it's even colder if I know my husband has no plans to use it? Greatly appreciate any advice on the subject. Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 21:47:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:07:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.abelink.com!prairieviolet From: rbaker To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: No Mail? Testing Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 00:11:44 -0500 Message-ID: <05022665899589@eosinc.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone ... Happy Chanukah! My ISP has been moving the email database around & I guess I was dropped off "due to poor record keeping" -- so now I don't think I am receiving any glass mail -- help! We did our 1st Christmas Open House today and it went very well. Very nice compliments and lots of sales (((: It was nice to get to see everyone out and about and most of our items were purchased for gifts -- we use hang tags on all of our items so a business card goes with them everywhere. So is anyone else beginning to feel like they should be singing what artwork they have left to create to the tune of the "Twelve Days of Christmas"? Lets see -- we still have ... 1 Prairie Lamp 1 Butterfly Lady 7 Cat Night Lights 1 Hummingbird And then I have to find time to start / finish some of the gifts that I wanted to give .... On to work! Purrs, Di Baker Prairie Violet Stained Glass Lincoln IL prairieviolet@abelink.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 22:01:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:10:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: giapet@softhouse.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: UK Dining NG once again Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:08:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec14.5826.0> Precedence: bulk This is fantastic, I think I found the way to lose that 20 lbs I have wanted to lose for the past few years........how long do you think I need to stay and not eat? The Christmas holiday seems a fantastic time to take the trip. Fish that you need to peel off the ceiling or dig up from the garden both seem to belong on the quick weight loss diet. (And as I sit here my child is eating french fries covered with chili and cheese sauce and I don't find that odd) Wish me luck, my final is on Thursday, and then I get to play with glass and make cookies (oh, by the way, that ad does say www.fleishmanns.com, but it is a reynolds wrap ad, the phone number they gave for hints and recipes is 800-745-4000 or their www site is www.reynoldskitchens.com) Someone, not mentioning her name, said I need to bake the cookies for all you guys. I told her if I start now they will be done in time to take to Pennsylvania. Pushy, pushy, pushy.......Is this a one cookie per person event? ( you know, the teddiblly teddiblly polite crowd who sips tea with the pinkie finger extended?) IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 22:13:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:11:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Karen K." , "Bungi List" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: UK Dining Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1980 11:07:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1980Dec13.5743.0> Precedence: bulk I vote for Col Sanders, McDonalds, Wendy's, Casa Ole, anything but Lutfish. I've ate some in Iowa and the taste(if you want to call it that) still haunts me. No wonder she is in such a nasty mood most of the time. She remembers Lutfish. (VBBG) -----Original Message----- From: Karen K. To: Bungi List ; Intrastar List Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 10:28 PM Subject: UK Dining >Does anyone else have the feeling they might want to pack a sack lunch if >their planning a trip to the UK. >Karen > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 22:23:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:17:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: X-tra hands Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:15:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec14.51539.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/13/98 10:54:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, Elsiemt@bellatlantic.net writes: > There is also a gizmo that has a weighted bottom and adjustable arms and > clips. I think its from radio shack, I received it as a gift, it works really well > for small items. Yep, paid $15 or $20 at the stained glass shop for that gizmo, called handy hands, then found it at a place that sells odds and ends for $5, then later saw it in Harbor Freight (I think) for $3 or $4. This was a couple years ago, but it sure pays to shop around doesn't it? I love it, keeps the solder on small parts far away from my fingers. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 22:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:19:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: UK Dining NG once again Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:13:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.19135.0> Precedence: bulk Don't forget the wall paper stuff, just have that first and let it set up......you won't have to worry about eating for awhile. LOL Karen...good nite >This is fantastic, I think I found the way to lose that 20 lbs I have wanted >to lose for the past few years........how long do you think I need to stay and >not eat? The Christmas holiday seems a fantastic time to take the trip. Fish >that you need to peel off the ceiling or dig up from the garden both seem to >belong on the quick weight loss diet. (And as I sit here my child is eating >french fries covered with chili and cheese sauce and I don't find that odd) > >Wish me luck, my final is on Thursday, and then I get to play with glass and >make cookies (oh, by the way, that ad does say www.fleishmanns.com, but it is >a reynolds wrap ad, the phone number they gave for hints and recipes is >800-745-4000 or their www site is www.reynoldskitchens.com) Someone, not >mentioning her name, said I need to bake the cookies for all you guys. I told >her if I start now they will be done in time to take to Pennsylvania. Pushy, >pushy, pushy.......Is this a one cookie per person event? ( you know, the >teddiblly teddiblly polite crowd who sips tea with the pinkie finger >extended?) > >IA > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 13 23:56:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:53:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "Karen K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: UK Dining NG once again Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:02:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.19238.0> References: <<1998Dec13.19135.0>> Precedence: bulk > Is this a one cookie per person event? ( you know, > the > >teddiblly teddiblly polite crowd who sips tea with the pinkie finger > >extended?) > > Boy, I hope not! ;o) I'm plannin on having fun. It'll be my first time out on my own in a very long time! :o) YEEEEHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Dont get me wrong...but I do kinda feel like I have been under house arrest here lately! Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 00:34:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: makin glass Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:06:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec13.20636.0> Precedence: bulk At dinner tonight, my 2 yr old announced "When I grow up, Be like mommy, make glass!" That's my boy! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 02:53:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:54:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass cutter Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:44:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199812140953.JAA30852@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Suzanne in Tulsa asked if people allowed others to use their (own) glass cutters (... sorry... deleted the actual message before I noticed). I have a chunky, fairly heavy-duty toyo oil-cutter, which cost me an arm and a leg when I bought it. It has now gone through one head replacement. It sits nicely in my hand and travels with me to and from my classes. My cutter is rather like my fountain pen (yeah.... still use one of those!). Nobody else is allowed to TOUCH it. I often put it down in class and then panic wondering where it is. My students normally find it again. They are under pain of DEATH if I catch any of them using it. By the same token, some of my "advanced" students frequently have advanced from the metal basic Shaw's cutters and have invested in smaller oil-cutters and so I won't use theirs, out of respect. I firmly believe that a cutter gets conditioned and adjusted by the hand that uses it, rather like a fountain pen. Once another hand uses it, it gets out of balance. Maybe this is nonsense, but that's how I feel about it. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 03:54:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:03:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: "Toby" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: NG Xmas dinner, was Re: le bio nagger Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:05:50 -0500 Message-ID: <19981214110152.GCWX21391@vic> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth: Gammon sounds like Prosciutto and Lutfisk, we call that Baccala. Both are excellent. Imported Prosciuttto is at near $20 per pound in my area of the country and Baccala, when you can find it, isn't far off. Hold the pickled/rotted "Surstroemming" however. That sounds like something you eat before an early negotiating meeting to keep yourself mean, nasty and edgy. I look forward to meeting you on your trip and seminar in PA this summer. I am less than an hour from WC and I get there as often as I can. (Morris county New Jersey). Ciao Vic LaGreca ---------- > From: Toby > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: NG Xmas dinner, was Re: le bio nagger > Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 7:45 PM > > Gammon??! > It is the haunch of the pig which has been either salted , or > (as in Sweden) gently smoked over juniper berries. > Lutfisk? Yep we have that too, It's cod that has been cut open, > streteched across a kind of trellis, salted and sundried for about 6 > months. Before you cook it, you have to soak for about 2 weeks in a > mustard solution. When you cook it, you have to be extremely careful > with the timing, or it turns out like wall-paper glue. My Lutfisk > turned out like an inedible "mush" of wall-paper glue of the worst > kind, so I am not repeating that culinary experiment again. > You should be so lucky; at least you have not been exposed to Swedish > "Surstroemming". (roughly translated: sour baltic herring), You catch > it, kill it, bury it into the ground and let it ferment for about 6 > months, then dig it up again, tin it or bottle it. You need to be > kind of careful when you open the tin or bottle, as it's likely to > explode. Served with new potatoes, parsley and dill , raw-grated > carrots and plenty of Swedish "schnapps". A certain amount of it > tends to get lodged in the ceiling, assuring at least one uninhabited > room in the house for a period of time..... > Ahhhh... those Swedish summers....... > Lucia-Day?? Ah Yes! Queen of Lights, with live candles in her hair, > tip-toeing through the houses on December 13th, armed with a > coffee-pot, "lussekatt" (a particular piece of pastry) and a bucket > of water (in case the candles set her hair on fire....). She was > actually a Swedish Florence Nightingale once upon a time, bringing > solace, coffe and cheer to wounded soldiers in wintry Swedish camps. > > The home-made wine (apples and blackberries), by the way, won't be > ready until Christmas 1999. Care to join me?? > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > > Elisabeth 'n' Toby announce their Christmas menu: > > > > >traditional Swedish Christmas > > >fayre, consisting of huge hunk of gammon, soaked in mustard, baked > > >gently in the oven with cloves, other spices and a thick coating of > > >wine vinegar and mustard, served with gently pickled red cabbage. > > > > Gammon? > > > > Someone mentioned "lutefisk" to me the other day. Sounded definitively un- > > yummy. But that's Norwegian, isn't it? > > > > And you are going to uncork some of your homemade wine, yes? > > > > I and mine go for prime rib for Xmas (turkey is for Thanksgiving, and with > > only 3 of us, it takes so long even to eat up a turkey breast, never mind a > > whole bird, that by Xmas we're ready for something different!) > > > > > > Sparks > > > > p.s. Happy St. Lucia's day (isn't that coming up right around now?) > > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 04:08:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:09:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Vic" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Dream Workshop. Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:21:07 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.3217.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the trickle that has come in so far. But not enough. I am now going to bug you personally, for input. Wheels, Patrick, wheels? I am sure you can do better than that. But for you is to show me how to bug people. And Mike, "lots and lots of light". just that from the guy who created the mother of all stained glass websites. No way. Unacceptable, your entry has been rejected. And where are Toby's woofs and growls. Dani where are you. And Glenna, and Shirley and Bob and Elisabeth. And EliZabeth and Toby, and EliZabeth and Toby, and EliZAbeth and Toby. And Albert, your silence is not gold. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 04:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:09:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Dream Workshop. Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:19:38 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.31938.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the trickle that has come in so far. But not enough. I am now going to bug you personally, for input. Wheels, Patrick, wheels? I am sure you can do better than that. But for you is to show me how to bug people. And Mike, "lots and lots of light". just that from the guy who created the mother of all stained glass websites. No way. Unacceptable, your entry has been rejected. And where are Toby's woofs and growls. Dani where are you. And Glenna, and Shirley and Bob and Elisabeth. And EliZabeth and Toby, and EliZabeth and Toby, and EliZAbeth and Toby. And Albert, your silence is not gold. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 05:23:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:31:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Help with glass selection Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:44:10 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.44410.0> Precedence: bulk Hi guys, The mere trickle of information on Dream Workshop apart. I need your help in selection og glass for the new project I am working on. I have a very limited choice of glass at the only retailer I have here, and my lack of experience with regards to the different types of glass available in the market doesn't help any. I have been asked to create a 4x6 panel of Buddha. I have been looking around for the right pose and image that I could use as my starting point. But one thing that I am sure of now is some of the colors required. I need a lot of reds, and gold. I am not sure which companies make the best glass in that colors. Would appreciete if you could name a few, companies and product numbers if possible, then I can ask for it at my supplier's. Any other help in the making of Buddha would be of help too. TIA Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 06:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:04:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass cutter Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:01:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.4129.0> References: <<199812140953.JAA30852@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > Hi all, > Suzanne in Tulsa asked if people allowed others to use their (own) > glass cutters (... sorry... deleted the actual message before I > noticed). > I have a chunky, fairly heavy-duty toyo oil-cutter, which cost me an > arm and a leg when I bought it. It has now gone through one head > replacement. It sits nicely in my hand and travels with me to and > from my classes. My cutter is rather like my fountain pen (yeah.... > still use one of those!). Nobody else is allowed to TOUCH it. I often > put it down in class and then panic wondering where it is. My > students normally find it again. They are under pain of DEATH if I > catch any of them using it. We are a two glass worker family (daughter knows how to cut glass, too, but rarely does), and use all tools in common. But not at the same time. My husband believes that if he's cutting glass, the whole 6 foot long counter is HIS! Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 07:25:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:16:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: UK Dining NG once again Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:10:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.41042.0> References: <<1998Dec14.5826.0>> Precedence: bulk CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > Someone, not > mentioning her name, said I need to bake the cookies for all you guys. I told > her if I start now they will be done in time to take to Pennsylvania. Pushy, > pushy, pushy.......Is this a one cookie per person event? ( you know, the > teddiblly teddiblly polite crowd who sips tea with the pinkie finger > extended?) > > IA > ---- Is that the pinky finger with the bandage on it or the pinky finger with the burn on it? i think that has to do with medical necessity, rather than politeness. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 07:45:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:21:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass cutter Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:29:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.22923.0> References: <<199812140953.JAA30852@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > By the same token, some of my "advanced" students frequently have > advanced from the metal basic Shaw's cutters and have invested in > smaller oil-cutters and so I won't use theirs, out of respect. I > firmly believe that a cutter gets conditioned and adjusted by the > hand that uses it, rather like a fountain pen. Once another hand uses > it, it gets out of balance. Maybe this is nonsense, but that's how I > feel about it. > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Glad to hear it Elisabeth. Was wondering if I was crazy. At least if I am, I am in good company! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 07:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:38:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.43714.0> References: <<1998Dec15.44410.0>> Precedence: bulk Shakeel Abedi wrote: > > Hi guys, > > The mere trickle of information on Dream Workshop apart. > > I need your help in selection og glass for the new project I am working on. > > I have a very limited choice of glass at the only retailer I have here, and > my lack of experience with regards to the different types of glass available > in the market doesn't help any. > > I have been asked to create a 4x6 panel of Buddha. I have been looking > around for the right pose and image that I could use as my starting point. > But one thing that I am sure of now is some of the colors required. I need a > lot of reds, and gold. I am not sure which companies make the best glass in > that colors. > > Would appreciete if you could name a few, companies and product numbers if > possible, then I can ask for it at my supplier's. > > Any other help in the making of Buddha would be of help too. > > TIA > > Shakeel Abedi > shakeel@tm.net.my > Shakeel Abedi > Rainbow Stained Glass > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Malaysia > Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass gold will be the hardest. bullseye makes a gold matt irridescent. but i think it needs to be custom made. and the reds, will depend on what your doing with it and what it has to match. for example: if it's a border, i would use spectrum red wispy. it would blend in the best. if it's a robe i would use youghiogeheny red/white stipple, using the white as highlights to represent the folds of the fabric. if it's for a detail, a jewel, etc, i would use an exciting irridescent, like armstrong, uroboros, or youg. if it's a background, you'll want it either solid or clear. and antique clear would be pretty (as long as you don't have other clears in the panel). if there are more clears a persons eye will go to that (seeing it as background, regardless of color). if you choose a opalescent it may be too distracting. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 08:28:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:35:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "Sandra I Gustafson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:32:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.53231.0> Precedence: bulk I must have missed something. What would the mylar be used for? Charles Warner >Hi everyone, Hope you all have a peaceful and wonderful glass filled >Christmas. > >Where do you all find your mylar? I want to try the light box method. I >have searched all over Athens for the mylar, to no avail. I tried using >page protectors for my patterns, but it is not thick enough and keeps moving >while I trace. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 09:30:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:22:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Xmas dinner, was Re: le bio nagger Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.62536.0> References: <<1998Dec13.14841.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk > Gammon? > > Someone mentioned "lutefisk" to me the other day. Sounded definitively un- > yummy. But that's Norwegian, isn't it? > I had always heard lutefisk was cured with lye (a least as told to me by Minnesotans), not salt baccala I can deal with, after it's been soaked in milk for a week or 2, but lye??? -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 10:00:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:43:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass cutter Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:50:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.45021.0> References: <<1998Dec14.4129.0>> Precedence: bulk > My husband believes that if he's cutting glass, the whole 6 foot > long counter is HIS! > > Dorothy K > When my husband came out to help me get ready for the show...and I was cutting at one table and he was at another foiling...it took me a bit to get used to that. I am so used to working by myself and listening to music. The music we listen to is different also (at least when I am working) *When working* I listen to Kenny Loggins, Seals and Crofts, Paul Simon, and James Taylor. Return to Pooh Corner is my favorite music to work by...especially to solder by. Gary would turn on the Neville Brothers, and things that were just too much for me while working. Although I like the music it just isnt right for when I am doing glass work. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 10:23:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:19:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Dream Workshop. Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:18:46 -0800 Message-ID: <199812141718.JAA22469@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Shakeel...I appreciate that you are trying to do something good that you have enthusiasm for...putting together the workshop information. However, I don't like the idea that I am going to "be bugged". Bungi is something I do for recreation...and I participate with a lot of direct replies to individuals because I want to, not because I have to. It sounds to me like you are not getting the response you'd hoped for, and I'm wondering if this is why. Somehow, to me, your demands for information don't have the same lighthearted flair that Patrick's do. There's actually a lot of bungi information available...probably enough for you to put together into the package you desire to create. I know this for a fact since I've been collecting studio ideas during this last flurry of posts and also just cleaned out my computer's email files for the last 18 months...saving everything that was a studio tip into its own file for my future reference. So why not just go to the archives and dig there instead of being so demanding...it may be your approach that's responsible for the lack of results. I hope you will not be personally offended by this...I've been sitting with the idea of making this reply since you made your last posts, and it still correctly reflects the feelings your "demands" create in me. I hope you will be successful in collecting the information you need from other sources Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 10:32:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:06:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG: Re: UK Dining Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:08:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.787.0> References: <<1998Dec13.173419.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Are you casting aspersions about a country that prides itself on culinary delights such as: Whitefish and potatoes, deep fried, then wrapped in used newspaper (the London Times is the ink of choice for educated palates). Toad in a hole Bangers and Mash, and the delightful dessert - Spotted Dick. And for our Scottish cholesterol loving friends - Deep Fried Mars Bars YES, the famous candy bar, dipped in the same type of batter used for the fish in 'Fish and Chips', then plunged into boiling oil, til the nougat is softened. No wonder they like beer. Karen K. wrote: > > Does anyone else have the feeling they might want to pack a sack lunch if > their planning a trip to the UK. > Karen Adults are obsolete children Theodore Guisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 11:01:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:15:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: charles@warner-criv.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:05:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec14.1856.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/14/98 11:32:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, charles@warner- criv.com writes: > I must have missed something. What would the mylar be used for? Opps, good question, I focused on the request not the content. I use mylar for my patterns because I don't use a light box, not sure why Sandra wants it with a light box. Sandra, if you still need it just send me your snail mail address, it's no problem getting it for you. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 12:00:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:00:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NG: Re: UK Dining Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:06:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199812141857.NAA01515@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Whitefish and potatoes, deep fried, then wrapped in used newspaper (the > London Times is the ink of choice for educated palates). Ah, but it's the malted vinegar that truly makes English fish n chips the culinary delight that it is. Dang. Just had lunch and now I'm hungry again. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 12:25:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:04:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass cutter Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.9237.0> Precedence: bulk We rarely listen to music while working... it goes on both of our nerves! On rare occasions, we might throw on some Celtic harp, or Gregorian chants. Have to be careful, though... one of the cats doesn't like violin and another can't stand piano! And they're very vocal about letting us know! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 12:32:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:13:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Bob the Dinosaur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NG: Re: UK Dining Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.91134.0> Precedence: bulk Don't forget Bubble and Squeak = and the (in)famous Steak and Kidney Pie. I hear the Mars bars are a "must miss." Best regards, Dani Greer =46rom the Land of Rocky Mountain Oysters.... yum!:-> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 13:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:54:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele Spruill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:06:47 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec14.18647.0> Precedence: bulk Hi group- About mylar: It can be used for reusable patterns. It isn't much fun to cut out, but once it's done, one can make several items from the same pattern. I used to buy it at a drafting and drawing specialty shop in college. It has been a while since I've seen it, although a few months ago I found some at a quilting shop where quilters use it for patterns as well. Michele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 14:34:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass cutter Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:02:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.8228.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I don't let anyone use my cutters. I have a Toyo, and with all of your good advice, I was not able to change it from one that would swivel to one that would just cut straight. So, I bought another cutter with the idea of giving my original Toyo away, since this one does not swivel. After 2 years of cutting with the original, I found I had gotten used to the swivel and said what the he**, I'll keep them both. But, I've found that if someone borrows either one, I know it the minute I go to cut, so they're off limits to everyone. BTW, Baklava. If anyone can come up with a way to make that taste edible, please let me know. My daughter lives in Italy and my one attempt at making it when she was younger, well let's say the taste of it is still with her and there is no way she will make it for the traditional Christmas Eve Italian dinner. Yes, I soaked the stuff in milk for 2 days, probably should have been 2 months. I'll stick with turkey and stuffing. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 15:08:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:29:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dream workshop Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:13:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.8137.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I don't think anyone can say what someone else may need for a "dream" workshop, I've found it's trial and error. But to me the most important thing was the height of the table. I'm 5'l" and the tables at the studio are too high for me to use any pressure when scoring or to even adequately see my scores, so I had mine at home built for my size. I already have skylights and for the daytime, they're great; at night I just light it up like a Christmas tree and eliminate as many shadows as I can. Unless you've done glass for awhile and know just what you need, it's hard to tell someone else what would be their dream workshop. I know what I need most though, and it's organization and a thorough inventory of the glass I have on hand. Also, I'd like to be able to lock away my breakers and other tools; my husband has an odd habit of using my breakers as pliers in what he considers an emergency and what I consider desecretation. Like Carol Swann said, there have been enough suggestions here and then common sense has to take over and your own preferences. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 17:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:18:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "Michele Spruill" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:16:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.121626.0> Precedence: bulk >About mylar: It can be used for reusable patterns That makes sense, what confused me was the use of it with a light table. Charles Warner ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 17:27:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:05:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: dichro fish? Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:42:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.8422.0> Precedence: bulk I thought some of you site surfers might help me on this one. Some time back, I saw some fused dichro fish jewelry on a website, maybe a book, but I think it was a site. I wanted to look at them again, but have no idea where those pictures were. Anyone seen them? Jerri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 17:36:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:50:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:37:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec14.233725.0> Precedence: bulk I recycle exposed but pictureless x-ray film, I get it from a hospital nearby...... I suppose using film with "pictures" on it would be more interesting to some folks..... Maureen (hoping a lightbox shows up under the tree) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 17:54:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:13:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Dream workshop Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:10:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.141015.0> Precedence: bulk MY husband can't resist using my glass tools either, and he has several sets of his own! It's a territorial thing, I guess. Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 18:44:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:21:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Toby" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass cutter NG Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:08:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.13817.0> Precedence: bulk Me to. I hate it when the other ballerinas borrow my hairpins. Not to mention my leotards (and we won't mention them will we) -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 5:09 AM Subject: Glass cutter >Hi all, >Suzanne in Tulsa asked if people allowed others to use their (own) >glass cutters (... sorry... deleted the actual message before I >noticed). >I have a chunky, fairly heavy-duty toyo oil-cutter, which cost me an >arm and a leg when I bought it. It has now gone through one head >replacement. It sits nicely in my hand and travels with me to and >from my classes. My cutter is rather like my fountain pen (yeah.... >still use one of those!). Nobody else is allowed to TOUCH it. I often >put it down in class and then panic wondering where it is. My >students normally find it again. They are under pain of DEATH if I >catch any of them using it. >By the same token, some of my "advanced" students frequently have >advanced from the metal basic Shaw's cutters and have invested in >smaller oil-cutters and so I won't use theirs, out of respect. I >firmly believe that a cutter gets conditioned and adjusted by the >hand that uses it, rather like a fountain pen. Once another hand uses >it, it gets out of balance. Maybe this is nonsense, but that's how I >feel about it. >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 18:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:49:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Creating Creative Castings for Christmas Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:30:25 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec15.13025.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the great tips. I just finished assembling the "Screamin Demon". It was actually fun. Without the sand trick, the nine different pieces, never would have come together. I also used the "third hand" gizmo. I also had to add a tip of my own: using wire to hold two pieces of the head together. Tommorrow the wings go on, and I'll be using more of your great advice. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 19:18:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:41:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: sorry, I do not know it all Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:36:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec14.15366.0> Precedence: bulk I recently read a address for drill bits for glass.. I tought thiis might be a common jewerly item and that I could order it through Fire Mountain Gems,and therefore deleted the address before finding that I HAD ERRORED... Well, I was wrong, so the person who had posted the phone number,please resend it to me ,or if anyone who kept it, please send it to me.. Sorry, for the repost, but Christmas has kept me sooo busy, but very greatfull.. Thanks, Gloria who received her early Christmas present from George and that being WEB TV, so no going back to the PC but able to enjoy Bungi from lounging in bed.. DECADENCE but no spell check!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 19:21:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:14:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!dro From: Daniel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------033C14200C5917D8988A1E95" Subject: Baklava??? Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:10:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.101042.0> Precedence: bulk --------------033C14200C5917D8988A1E95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------------------------- >BTW, Baklava. If anyone can come up with a way to make that taste >edible, please let me know. My daughter lives in Italy and my one >attempt at making it when she was younger, well let's say the taste of >it is still with her and there is no way she will make it for the >traditional Christmas Eve Italian dinner. Yes, I soaked the stuff in >milk for 2 days, probably should have been 2 months. I'll stick with >turkey and stuffing. --------------------------- I thought baklava was greek pastry made with filo and honey? At least that is what I learned at the Culinary Institute of America...seriously... I can't imagine soaking filo in milk for two days... Danie in Oregon -- I look at life as being cruise director on the Titanic. I may not get there, but I'm going first class. -- Art Buchwald --------------033C14200C5917D8988A1E95 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
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>BTW, Baklava.  If anyone can come up with a way to make that taste
>edible, please let me know.  My daughter lives in Italy and my one
>attempt at making it when she was younger, well let's say the taste of
>it is still with her and there is no way she will make it for the
>traditional Christmas Eve Italian dinner.  Yes, I soaked the stuff in
>milk for 2 days, probably should have been 2 months.  I'll stick with
>turkey and stuffing.
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I thought baklava was greek pastry made with filo and honey?

At least that is what I learned at the Culinary Institute of
America...seriously...

I can't imagine soaking filo in milk for two days...

Danie in Oregon 

-- 
I look at life as being cruise director on the Titanic.  I may not get
there, but I'm going first class.
                -- Art Buchwald
  --------------033C14200C5917D8988A1E95-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 19:54:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:59:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dream workshop Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:58:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.16584.0> References: <<1998Dec14.141015.0>> Precedence: bulk Dani Greer wrote: > > MY husband can't resist using my glass > tools either, and he has several sets of > his own! It's a territorial thing, I guess. > > Best, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > www.igga.org/greer/ = > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe, though a breaking pliers (breaking grozing combo), are dandy for alot of things. unfortunally, the get dented after using it for non glass things. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 20:14:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:47:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Elisabeth and Charles Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:55:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.145517.0> Precedence: bulk Are the specifics known to anyone yet? Dates? etc???? I am already trying to decide what I need to bring. Cutter, check. Glass...no way....MAJOR shopping to do! ;o) I cannot wait! Is it in August or September? How long is this going to last? I could really go for a week! ;o) Are we gonna be able to take a class from Elisabeth? And Elisabeth...you already know I have *no* lead experience, just copper foil. Do you want me to do anything to prepare before hand?? I have a basic understanding of leading...but is there something you want me to read first or basic I should learn to do first? or do you want me unruined by someone that may or may not know what they are trying to teach, virginal so to speak?? Tulsa Suzanne...who is ready -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 20:28:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:14:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG-Another Twas the Night Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:56:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec15.25638.0> Precedence: bulk My mother sent this to me from Florida. I couldn't resist. Twas the Night Before Christmas For Floridians T'was the night before Christmas and all through the town, no noses were frozen, no snow fluttered down, no children in flannels were tucked into bed, they all wore shorty pajamas instead. To find wreaths of holly, t'was not very hard, for holly trees grew in every back yard. In front of the houses, Dads and Moms were adorning the bushes and coconut palms. The sleeping kiddies were dreaming in glee, hoping to find water skis under the tree. They all knew that Santa was well on his way, in a Mercedes-Benz, instead of a sleigh. And soon he arrived and started to work, he hadn't a second to linger or shirk. He whizzed up the highways and zoomed up the road, in a S-L 300, delivering his loads. The tropical moon gave the city a glow, and lighted the way for old Santa below. As he jumped from the auto he gave a wee chuckle, he was dressed in Bermudas with an Ivy league buckle, There weren't any chimneys, but that caused no gloom, for Santa came in through the Florida room. He stopped at each house....stayed only a minute, emptying his sack of stuff that was in it. Before he departed, he treated himself to a glass of papaya juice upon the shelf. He turned with a jerk and bounced to the car, remembering he still had to go very far. He shifted the gears and stepped on the gas and up I-95 he went like a flash. And I heard him exclaim as he went on his way, "Merry Christmas Y'all, I wish I could stay!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 20:47:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:42:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Glass Eye Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:42:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.174225.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01BE27B3.057D9CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well folks I got it, I have it installed and now all I have to do is make time to figure out how to get it to do what I want it to. It looks like it is going to take some time and effort, maybe after the first of the year I will sit down and make a concerted effort to learn it. (Eljay) Linda Jo ICQ uin 5072431 ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01BE27B3.057D9CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well folks I got it, I have it = installed and now=20 all I have to do is make time to figure out how to get it to do what I = want it=20 to.  It looks like it is going to take some time and effort, maybe = after=20 the first of the year I will sit down and make a concerted effort to = learn=20 it.
(Eljay)
Linda Jo
ICQ uin  = 5072431
 
------=_NextPart_000_009A_01BE27B3.057D9CA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 21:36:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:26:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik3 From: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) To: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-567135626-1843 Subject: Re: sorry, I do not know it all Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:25:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec14.18259.0> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-567135626-1843 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi Gloria.... There was a thread about a week ago about drilling glass. I get my diamond drill bits from Rio Grande, which is a jewelry supply catalog. Addy: http://www.riogrande.com Dani Greer also posted that she found a superlative drill bit... I saved the post... here it is: >I've had numerous queries about >the Triple Ripple diamond drill >bits, so I'll just post the supplier >info here. They cost $4.20/ea for >2mm size. > >Ackley's >3230 N. Stone >Colorado Springs,CO 80907 >(719) 633-1153 >No FAX, no email, no 800#. Talk >about down-home! They do mail >order though. BTW, welcome to WEBTV-land.... I absolutely love it (and yes, I DO have a PC)... feel free to e-mail me about any questions about it! Joan Beadnik Jewelry Creations Connecticut --WebTV-Mail-567135626-1843 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (207.79.35.92) by postoffice-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:21:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from bftoemail22.bigfoot.com (bftoemail22.bigfoot.com [208.156.60.122]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id TAA11518; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from daver.bungi.com ([207.126.97.2]) by bftoemail23.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 with message handle 981214_222018_1_bftoemail23_smtp; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:20:18 -0500 for beadnik2@bigfoot.com Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:41:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: sorry, I do not know it all Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:36:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec14.15366.0> Precedence: bulk I recently read a address for drill bits for glass.. I tought thiis might be a common jewerly item and that I could order it through Fire Mountain Gems,and therefore deleted the address before finding that I HAD ERRORED... Well, I was wrong, so the person who had posted the phone number,please resend it to me ,or if anyone who kept it, please send it to me.. Sorry, for the repost, but Christmas has kept me sooo busy, but very greatfull.. Thanks, Gloria who received her early Christmas present from George and that being WEB TV, so no going back to the PC but able to enjoy Bungi from lounging in bed.. DECADENCE but no spell check!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-567135626-1843-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 22:30:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:23:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Elizabeth on tour Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:23:04 -0800 Message-ID: <199812150523.VAA19343@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hey Suzanne...stay tuned for details... >Are you planning to go to PA next fall? Just wondering, I would love to >meet you. Another leg of Elisabeths' US tour? Only if we can't get something going in Seattle. I'm saving my air miles for a trip to visit E in England...touring the glass of Scotland, or another Chartres trip. And I posted a note to all bungiland to stay tuned for specifics after Christmas. The eteam's first task right now is to get all the stops lined up, figure out how much it's gonna cost, get some commitments from sponsors, and then start working on details...itinerary, content, etc. so stay tuned and look for more info probably in FEbruary...none of us are working on this until after Christmas, and it'll probably take most of January to get all the bugs worked out. Tentatively, we have W/C, Maryland, Florida, Denver (closest to you), SEattle and LA for stops...subject to lots and lots of variables yet. Albert will publicize it via Common Ground, we'll keep bungiland posted, and each of the sponsors will be doing their own publicity via mailing lists, email, etc. Stay tuned in the new year... Carol (on behalf of the eteam...who are cutting Christmas trees, making glass, and generally getting ready for the "silly season") Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 23:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:06:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Elisabeth and Charles Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:59:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec14.175929.0> Precedence: bulk I was about to ask the same questions. Except the part about viginally speaking of course. When she does arrive(or invade), I need time to apply for my visa to Costa Rica (hello Howard). I already have my Canadian passport under the name of Mad Hatter. Do you think she'll be wise to me? >Are the specifics known to anyone yet? Dates? etc???? I am already >trying to decide what I need to bring. Cutter, check. Glass...no >way....MAJOR shopping to do! ;o) I cannot wait! Is it in August or >September? > >How long is this going to last? I could really go for a week! ;o) > >Are we gonna be able to take a class from Elisabeth? >And Elisabeth...you already know I have *no* lead experience, just >copper foil. Do you want me to do anything to prepare before hand?? I >have a basic understanding of leading...but is there something you want >me to read first or basic I should learn to do first? >or do you want me unruined by someone that may or may not know what they >are trying to teach, virginal so to speak?? > >Tulsa Suzanne...who is ready >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 23:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:54:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.abelink.com!prairieviolet From: rbaker To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Not receiving mail? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 00:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: <05483194256484@eosinc.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone.... Ok so I know you guys are reading my mail cause I got some very nice notes back today -- thank you! But I would love to be able to read what you are writing to the list also -- so if I have been unsubscribed please SUBSCRIBE ME AGAIN! I miss my glass notes! Whew -- ok calmer, steady, breath those flux fumes. On to glass! Purrs, Di Di Baker Prairie Violet Stained Glass Lincoln IL prairieviolet@abelink.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 23:30:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:23:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!moondancer44 From: "Linda Johnson" To: glass@bungi.com, toby@northlights.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Glass cutter Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:36:47 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec15.43647.0> Precedence: bulk I wouldn't let anyone else use my cutter nor my ring saw. Chances are, if they broke my blade I'd be the one to have to come up with the money to replace it (I guess you could require a deposit that's returnable when they were done with the saw). Have always had bad luck in lending out an appliance of any sort and getting it returned in the need of repair. Just playing it safe here. Linda >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Mon Dec 14 03:13:22 1998 >Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA23189; > Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:13:06 -0800 (PST) >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:54:55 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass >From: "Toby" >To: glass@bungi.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: Glass cutter >Summary: Authenticated sender is >Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:44:23 +0000 >Message-ID: <199812140953.JAA30852@saturn.nildram.co.uk> >Precedence: bulk > >Hi all, >Suzanne in Tulsa asked if people allowed others to use their (own) >glass cutters (... sorry... deleted the actual message before I >noticed). >I have a chunky, fairly heavy-duty toyo oil-cutter, which cost me an >arm and a leg when I bought it. It has now gone through one head >replacement. It sits nicely in my hand and travels with me to and >from my classes. My cutter is rather like my fountain pen (yeah.... >still use one of those!). Nobody else is allowed to TOUCH it. I often >put it down in class and then panic wondering where it is. My >students normally find it again. They are under pain of DEATH if I >catch any of them using it. >By the same token, some of my "advanced" students frequently have >advanced from the metal basic Shaw's cutters and have invested in >smaller oil-cutters and so I won't use theirs, out of respect. I >firmly believe that a cutter gets conditioned and adjusted by the >hand that uses it, rather like a fountain pen. Once another hand uses >it, it gets out of balance. Maybe this is nonsense, but that's how I >feel about it. >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 14 23:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:26:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: NG-Another Twas the Night Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:40:50 -0500 Message-ID: <199812150440.XAA13974@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Good One, Thanks (Eljay) Linda Jo ICQ uin 5072431 Jacksonville, Florida :-) -----Original Message----- From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 11:36 PM Subject: NG-Another Twas the Night >My mother sent this to me from Florida. I couldn't resist. > >Twas the Night Before Christmas > >For Floridians > > >T'was the night before Christmas and all through the town, >no noses were frozen, no snow fluttered down, >no children in flannels were tucked into bed, >they all wore shorty pajamas instead. > >To find wreaths of holly, t'was not very hard, >for holly trees grew in every back yard. >In front of the houses, Dads and Moms were >adorning the bushes and coconut palms. > >The sleeping kiddies were dreaming in glee, >hoping to find water skis under the tree. >They all knew that Santa was well on his way, >in a Mercedes-Benz, instead of a sleigh. > >And soon he arrived and started to work, >he hadn't a second to linger or shirk. >He whizzed up the highways and zoomed up the road, >in a S-L 300, delivering his loads. > >The tropical moon gave the city a glow, >and lighted the way for old Santa below. >As he jumped from the auto he gave a wee chuckle, >he was dressed in Bermudas with an Ivy league buckle, > >There weren't any chimneys, but that caused no gloom, >for Santa came in through the Florida room. >He stopped at each house....stayed only a minute, >emptying his sack of stuff that was in it. > >Before he departed, he treated himself >to a glass of papaya juice upon the shelf. >He turned with a jerk and bounced to the car, >remembering he still had to go very far. > >He shifted the gears and stepped on the gas >and up I-95 he went like a flash. >And I heard him exclaim as he went on his way, > >"Merry Christmas Y'all, I wish I could stay!" > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 02:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:49:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "suzy@comcat.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:00:16 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.1016.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Suzannah, for your help. I guess I should get the sample kits myself. But my supplier does not carry it and ordering it by post from U.S. triples the cost. To a small timer like me it is a huge investment. I have not yet finalised my drawings, I am still looking around for pictures of Buddha, and if you have any that you think would be helpful please send it. My idea was to use opals for the picture and cathedral for background. I was thinking of red wispy for border. And orange robes, with a bit of gold in it as the robe border. I was in for the gold for the earring and am still not sure what would go best for the face. This is the largest panel I have done so far, and am also looking into the reinforcing aspect too. Is there any other way to get a bright gold. Use some color and fire the glass? This panel is going to be inside a Buddhist temple, and I guess there will be a lot of incense and joss sticks burning, would it be a good idea to encase it between to pieces of clear glass? Cleaning would be much easier that way. Thanks, again Suzannah, I too am very excited with this project. suzy@comcat.com wrote: >Hi Shakeel, > >I'd be happy to help you with glass selection. I have sample kits from >Spectrum, Kokomo, Wissmach & Yough. > >Red is not so abundant as other colors, and pricey. Tell me how you >envision this Buddha - will he be of opalescent glass (non-see-through), >or cathedral (see-through)? > >4 x 6 is pretty big, so I'm imagining you want the Buddha himself kind of >opal, with the background cathedral to set him off. But you tell me. > >I'm excited about your project, have always wanted to make a Buddha >myself, so let me take your hand... > >Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 02:26:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:49:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Dream Workshop. Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:31:16 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.03116.0> Precedence: bulk Carol & everyone My apologies. You are right. And ah for Patrick's flair, he is a class of his own. I have been digging the archives, and have been collecting lots of wonderful tips that have been collected there. But the chance to have some some fresh ideas and thoughts is still too irresistible. I have offended you, and my apologies, and anyone else who feels that way too. Thanks for letting me know. And by the way, could I have that information you have collected? ;-). Thanks in advance. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 2:48 AM Subject: Re: Dream Workshop. >Shakeel...I appreciate that you are trying to do something good that you >have enthusiasm for...putting together the workshop information. However, I >don't like the idea that I am going to "be bugged". Bungi is something I do >for recreation...and I participate with a lot of direct replies to >individuals because I want to, not because I have to. > >It sounds to me like you are not getting the response you'd hoped for, and >I'm wondering if this is why. Somehow, to me, your demands for information >don't have the same lighthearted flair that Patrick's do. > >There's actually a lot of bungi information available...probably enough for >you to put together into the package you desire to create. I know this for >a fact since I've been collecting studio ideas during this last flurry of >posts and also just cleaned out my computer's email files for the last 18 >months...saving everything that was a studio tip into its own file for my >future reference. > >So why not just go to the archives and dig there instead of being so >demanding...it may be your approach that's responsible for the lack of results. > >I hope you will not be personally offended by this...I've been sitting with >the idea of making this reply since you made your last posts, and it still >correctly reflects the feelings your "demands" create in me. > >I hope you will be successful in collecting the information you need from >other sources > >Carol > > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 04:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:28:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) Subject: Re: sorry, I do not know it all Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:33:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199812151124.GAA07989@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > might be a common jewerly item and that I could order it through Fire > Mountain Gems,and therefore deleted the address before finding that I > HAD ERRORED... Well, I was wrong, so the person who had posted the > phone number,please resend it to me ,or if anyone who kept it, please > send it to me.. Just a reminder. The Guild maintains an online Sources Guide at http://www.igga.org/ that's updated several times a week, usually. Fire Moutain's there, under "F": Fire Mountain Gems, 28195 Redwood Hwy, Dept GA07, Cave Junction OR 97523-9304. Phone: (503) 592-2222. (800) 423-2319. Fax: (503) 592-3103. E-mail: 72254.2006@compuserve.com Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.igga.org/ Sources Guide http://www.igga.org/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 04:52:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:34:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creating Creative Castings for Christmas Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:31:54 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec15.113154.0> Precedence: bulk << Without the sand trick, the nine different pieces, never would have come together. >> Did I miss something? What's the sand trick? Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 06:14:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:49:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Yegnim@aol.com'" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Dream Catcher Pattern Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:50:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.25041.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Lenore, Hate to disappoint you about the photo but it was taken in from of a brick wall at works and our nice tech librarian who is a wiz on the computer added that lovely orange background. Neat, eh? Linda -----Original Message----- From: Yegnim@aol.com [SMTP:Yegnim@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 4:08 AM To: lcbell@memach.com; glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dream Catcher Pattern Hi Linda et al, Beautiful job on your dream catcher!!! Can't believe the photo you took! Quite impressive too! Thanks for sharing. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 06:17:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:55:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'Shay Friel'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Thanks for the Welcome Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:57:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.25739.0> Precedence: bulk Shay, Once you have gotten to the very large pattern, use your right mouse click on the image and choose save. Most of them should save as .jpg files that will show up okay in your program. There is a glitch how .jpgs show up on the web as opposed to the regular world that affects size. Hope this helps. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Shay Friel [SMTP:chitchay@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 6:04 PM To: Stained Glass Subject: Thanks for the Welcome I thank you fro the great welcome and have a question to ask. How do you print out the patterns available on the bungi web site? Am I missing a program? They appear really large. Thanks Shay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 06:42:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:59:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: epix.net!"pmsl@epix.net" From: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thank you, Sue Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:54:12 -0500 Message-ID: <199812151258.HAA06016@lima.epix.net> Organization: Prefered Customer Precedence: bulk Sue, I received the Mickey Mouse patterns. They are great! Thanks again. I went to WC a few days ago and got the glass to make him with. My nephew thanks you, too. He will love it. I looked at the Glas Design patterns of Mickey and Friends while at WC. So of those cuts look IMPOSSIBLE. I don't have a saw. I'm wondering if those patterns were tested to see if those cuts were possible. Thanks again, Sue. Hope I can return the favor to you soon! Paula ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 07:37:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:36:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mylar Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:23:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.42338.0> Precedence: bulk I use x-ray film too. It's much heavier than mylar and the sheets I get are 14 x 17. A friend works at a lab and I give her a suncatcher or ornament for it. Karen >I recycle exposed but pictureless x-ray film, I get it from a hospital >nearby...... >I suppose using film with "pictures" on it would be more interesting to some >folks..... > >Maureen >(hoping a lightbox shows up under the tree) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 07:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:20:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Using other people's tools, was Re: glass cutter Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:18:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec15.14180.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/14/98 5:35:22 PM, ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: >I don't let anyone use my cutters. I don't *like* to use other people's tools. They don't feel right. I get used to the quirks of the way my own pistol-grip cutter is "just a little off straight," and when I try to use someone else's it just doesn't line up properly and I can't really control it. Or the way I've worn a notch in my own fid, and when I pick up someone else's, that notch isn't there. Etc. Etc. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 08:04:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:24:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG: Re: UK Dining Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:22:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec15.142217.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/14/98 1:33:00 PM, shyguy@vdot.net wrote: >And for our Scottish cholesterol loving friends - >Deep Fried Mars Bars That's no weirder than fried bananas - or fried ice cream, both of which I've had before. The fried bananas were kind of mushy, but the fried ice cream wasn't bad.......... Sparks, feeling a little fried myself this morning ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 08:29:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:25:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG: Baklava??? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:17:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec15.141751.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/14/98 10:22:55 PM, dro@teleport.com wrote: >I thought baklava was greek pastry made with filo and honey? Yup........ God's gift to dessert-kind. One of the few things I really, *really* miss since I can't eat wheat any more.......... Sparks (who also misses Spanakopita) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 08:30:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:57:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Glass cutter & other tools Date: Tue Dec 15 06:56:09 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.4329.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2839.9C6B2BCE Content-Type: text/plain To answer the original question no one touches my cutter but me. There is a perfectly good , plastic handled, oil cutter that has been lent out on occasion but the brass Toyo is mine. Despite what you might have heard it is not a capital crime to touch it. But you might find the results of using it unpleasant. After some of the comments I am beginning to think the only safe place to store my tools is in my safe. Caught the wife, it's not just husbands, using my grozing pliers for something unmentionable. She didn't want to use the slip joint pliers that were right next to them because they were clean and shinny and the grozers looked dirty already. Is that another suggestion for the dream workshop: a tool safe. Vic ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2839.9C6B2BCE Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Glass cutter & other tools

To answer the original question no one = touches my cutter but me. There is a perfectly good , = plastic handled, oil cutter that has been lent out on occasion but the = brass Toyo is mine. Despite what you might have heard it is not a = capital crime to touch it. But you might find the results of using it = unpleasant.

After some of the comments I am = beginning to think the only safe place to store my tools is in my = safe.
Caught the wife, it's not just = husbands, using my grozing pliers for something unmentionable.
She didn't want to use the slip joint = pliers that were right next to them because they were clean and shinny = and the grozers looked dirty already.

Is that another suggestion for the = dream workshop: a tool safe.

Vic

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2839.9C6B2BCE-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 08:38:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:57:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elizabeth on tour Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:56:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.45618.0> References: <<199812150523.VAA19343@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk Maryland!! Fantastic...at Meridiths SG Studio? I'm only 1/2 hr away. Can't wait Carol Swann wrote: > Hey Suzanne...stay tuned for details... > > >Are you planning to go to PA next fall? Just wondering, I would love to > >meet you. Another leg of Elisabeths' US tour? > > Only if we can't get something going in Seattle. I'm saving my air miles > for a trip to visit E in England...touring the glass of Scotland, or another > Chartres trip. > > And I posted a note to all bungiland to stay tuned for specifics after > Christmas. The eteam's first task right now is to get all the stops lined > up, figure out how much it's gonna cost, get some commitments from sponsors, > and then start working on details...itinerary, content, etc. > > so stay tuned and look for more info probably in FEbruary...none of us are > working on this until after Christmas, and it'll probably take most of > January to get all the bugs worked out. > > Tentatively, we have W/C, Maryland, Florida, Denver (closest to you), > SEattle and LA for stops...subject to lots and lots of variables yet. > > Albert will publicize it via Common Ground, we'll keep bungiland posted, and > each of the sponsors will be doing their own publicity via mailing lists, > email, etc. > > Stay tuned in the new year... > > Carol > (on behalf of the eteam...who are cutting Christmas trees, making glass, and > generally getting ready for the "silly season") > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 08:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:33:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Baklava Date: Tue Dec 15 06:32:24 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.4824.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2836.6204D442 Content-Type: text/plain Carol I have never heard of milk in Baklava. What other ingredients are in the one you are talking about. The only one I have heard of was the Mediterranean pastry made with philo, honey, sugar and sweet enough to make castor oil taste good. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Carol Tombro [mailto:ctombro@InfoAve.Net] Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 7:02 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass cutter BTW, Baklava. If anyone can come up with a way to make that taste edible, please let me know. My daughter lives in Italy and my one attempt at making it when she was younger, well let's say the taste of it is still with her and there is no way she will make it for the traditional Christmas Eve Italian dinner. Yes, I soaked the stuff in milk for 2 days, probably should have been 2 months. I'll stick with turkey and stuffing. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2836.6204D442 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Baklava

Carol

I have never heard of milk in Baklava. = What other ingredients are in the one you are talking about.
The only one I have heard of was the = Mediterranean pastry made with philo, honey, sugar and sweet enough to = make castor oil taste good.

Vic 

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Carol Tombro [mailto:ctombro@InfoAve.Net]
      Sent:   Monday, December 14, 1998 7:02 PM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
      Subject:       = glass cutter


      BTW, Baklava.  If anyone can come = up with a way to make that taste
      edible, please let me know.  My = daughter lives in Italy and my one
      attempt at making it when she was = younger, well let's say the taste of
      it is still with her and there is no = way she will make it for the
      traditional Christmas Eve Italian = dinner.  Yes, I soaked the stuff in
      milk for 2 days, probably should have = been 2 months.  I'll stick with
      turkey and stuffing.

      Carol T

      ----
      For subscription changes, please mail = to: glass-request@bungi.com
      To send to the = list,      please mail to: = glass@bungi.com
      Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2836.6204D442-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 09:00:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:01:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth and Charles Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:10:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.31026.0> References: <<1998Dec14.175929.0>> Precedence: bulk > I already have my Canadian passport under the name of > Mad Hatter. Do you think she'll be wise to me? > I think she's got your number! Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 09:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:42:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass cutter Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:44:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.54442.0> References: <<1998Dec14.8228.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I hope you mean baccala, which is salt dried cod fish. Baklava is a Mediterranean dessert, made with phyllo dough (thin layered pastry) pistashio nuts, butter and sugar. If you soaked this in milk, I could see why your daughter is gunshy. {8^) I've done baccala (thick filet) in a roasting pan (post milk bath) with veggies (sliced thin), onions, lemon juice marinade. Put in oven til fish is flakey, and veggies are done. No one sent out for pizza for dessert, or died shortly after dinner. Carol Tombro wrote: > > BTW, Baklava. If anyone can come up with a way to make that taste > edible, please let me know. > > Carol T -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 09:10:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:20:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NG - Mime files Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:23:06 -0500 Message-ID: <19981215151833.CPZB20533@vic> Precedence: bulk I wold like to know how to retrieve Mime files that are sent to this group. However, I don't want to re-configure my current access to plain text files. Since these posts reek havoc on my Email I will relegated them "by sender" to the delete upon receipt status once I determine who the sender is. Although most come through completely unintelligible, a series of broken up text, inter mixed with "non working" highlight and configuration commands, I have been able to determine the name of one of the senders whose name is Eljay. Am I the only one that is having this problem? Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 09:47:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:32:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Capturing online images Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:37:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812151528.KAA09168@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Once you have gotten to the very large pattern, use your right mouse click > on the image and choose save. Most of them should save as .jpg files that > will show up okay in your program. There is a glitch how .jpgs show up on > the web as opposed to the regular world that affects size. As a web designer, I can tell you why that might be. If, for example, I have an image that's 100 pixels by 100 pixels (pretty small, actually), I can *define it as being 500x500 and that's how it will appear on-screen. That's why you might be surprised when you've captured it and then load it into some other program ... it's actually smaller than you thought, but not smaller than it actually was. By the way, remember that unless the web site has specifically said you may capture and use the image, you're violating copyright to capture and use it. Is it likely you'll be caught? Probably not, but for myself, I like to sleep easily at night. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 09:47:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:28:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "Linda Johnson" , , Subject: Re: Glass cutter Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:24:43 -0500 Message-ID: <199812151624.LAA20513@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Linda I agree. Over the years I have changed my tune on lending anything. I never lend tools, books, video tapes. I learned my lesson when people borrow them and don't return them. I have even missed a tool out of the garage and asked a neighbor and he said your door was open and I just borrowed it, only one thing he forgot to return it. If I have 2 of something I might lend it to someone, but they would have to sign in blood. But I have never had the problem with my stained glass tools. Books forget it, never again will I lend a book. That is another story.... Hugs,(Eljay) Linda Jo ICQ uin 5072431 -----Original Message----- From: Linda Johnson To: glass@bungi.com ; toby@northlights.co.uk Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 2:37 AM Subject: Re: Glass cutter >I wouldn't let anyone else use my cutter nor my ring saw. Chances are, >if they broke my blade I'd be the one to have to come up with the money >to replace it (I guess you could require a deposit that's returnable >when they were done with the saw). Have always had bad luck in lending >out an appliance of any sort and getting it returned in the need of >repair. Just playing it safe here. Linda > >>From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Mon Dec 14 03:13:22 1998 >>Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) >> by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA23189; >> Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:13:06 -0800 (PST) >>Received: by daver.bungi.com >> via smail with stdio >> id >> for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:54:55 -0800 (PST) >> (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >>X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass >>From: "Toby" >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>Subject: Glass cutter >>Summary: Authenticated sender is >>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:44:23 +0000 >>Message-ID: <199812140953.JAA30852@saturn.nildram.co.uk> >>Precedence: bulk >> >>Hi all, >>Suzanne in Tulsa asked if people allowed others to use their (own) >>glass cutters (... sorry... deleted the actual message before I >>noticed). >>I have a chunky, fairly heavy-duty toyo oil-cutter, which cost me an >>arm and a leg when I bought it. It has now gone through one head >>replacement. It sits nicely in my hand and travels with me to and >>from my classes. My cutter is rather like my fountain pen (yeah.... >>still use one of those!). Nobody else is allowed to TOUCH it. I often >>put it down in class and then panic wondering where it is. My >>students normally find it again. They are under pain of DEATH if I >>catch any of them using it. >>By the same token, some of my "advanced" students frequently have >>advanced from the metal basic Shaw's cutters and have invested in >>smaller oil-cutters and so I won't use theirs, out of respect. I >>firmly believe that a cutter gets conditioned and adjusted by the >>hand that uses it, rather like a fountain pen. Once another hand uses >>it, it gets out of balance. Maybe this is nonsense, but that's how I >>feel about it. >>Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK >>---- >>As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >>North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >>http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >>---- >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 10:25:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:29:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: lvcm.com!ejr929 From: "Ed Rogers" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:27:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.0274.0> Precedence: bulk First, a personal Thank You to those typing NG in their subject when their e-mail is not specifically related to Stained Glass. At least I'm able to delete those immediately. And for those who aren't doing that, PLEASE start doing so for the sake of those whose only interest is Stained Glass issues, not recipes, jocularity, etc. Second, I would appreciate advice on back-lighting a panel which has been inserted in a cabinet door. I have tried several combinations of lighting and opaque inserts between the lights and the panel, but continue to get hot spots. I'm trying to achieve as much of the look as possible, that one gets when placing a panel in front of daylight. Thank you, ****************************** E-mail from: Ed Rogers EJR929@LVCM.COM ****************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 11:02:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:47:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: alternate sites/ private mis-information Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:44:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.14424.0> Precedence: bulk TRY the newsgroups for swapping recipes...........A multitude of information DEDICATED to just that premise. Try a glass list for GLASS( a novel approach) In "good taste" ( a very broad subject) I consistently remain, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 11:33:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:54:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: nonglass scusa: baccala not baklava Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:38:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.43840.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Hey all, I had a blonde moment, yes I'm talking baccala, not baklava. I sent a message to bungi earlier that hasn't seemed to make it here yet. I am now dripping in virtual honey and nuts (baklava). If anyone wants to send me the real thing, (baklava) I'll be happy to provide my snail addresss. Uh oh, that's escargot isn't it, well you know what I mean. I still stand on my previous statement: I can't cook baccala (sp) to anyone's satisfaction including my own. My daughter is spending her first Christmas in Italy and is cooking the traditional Italian Christmas Eve dinner which usually calls for baccala (sp) a salt cod dish that I soaked in milk the one and only time I attempted to make it. I was hoping to provide her with a recipe she could handle because my own recipe is evidently lousy. Thanks for all the return messages regarding baklava. I might try soaking that in milk too, what the heck, I'm not the best cook in the world, but I do like baklava. I'm getting tongue tied so I'll end here. Thanks again. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 12:00:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:00:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: sorry, I do not know it all Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.75753.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Gloria- You can order the Triple Ripple drill bit through Ackley's at this address: 3230 N. Stone Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80907 Phone (719) 633-1153 Mail order is as hi-tec as they get! Happy holidays, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 12:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:27:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano@linux2.vdot.net, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Baklava Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.8291.0> References: <<1998Dec16.4824.0>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Don't know if you've changed software, but your last few posts come up empty. Your header has: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Which doesn't translate well after going through the mailer. daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano wrote: -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 13:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:32:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!SUZIEQ1 From: "Sandra I Gustafson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Mylar? Light Box Method? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:31:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.83152.0> Precedence: bulk Dear All, I want to thank each one of you that responded to my inquirey, but I think I have confused some of you and even myself. I understand the reason for using mylar for your patterns, but I guess you do not use it when you are using the light box. Please explain the light box method for us that have not tried it. I have used a light box when designing cross stitch, hook rugs and needlepoint and it has been very useful for these items. I can see that you would place the glass on top of the light box so you can use the best area of your glass for what ever you are working on, but if you do not have a pattern that you can see through, what do you do?????? A very confused Sandy Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 13:11:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:39:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Ed Rogers" Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:44:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199812151836.NAA10656@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > First, a personal Thank You to those typing NG in their subject when their > e-mail is not specifically related to Stained Glass. At least I'm able to > delete those immediately. And for those who aren't doing that, PLEASE start > doing so for the sake of those whose only interest is Stained Glass issues, > not recipes, jocularity, etc. Ah, too bad, Ed, since the secret of making a millyun dollars with stained glass was included in a NG message. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 13:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:07:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: gjr@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creating Creative Castings for Christmas Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:02:22 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec15.19222.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/14/98 7:33:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, gjr@bungi.com writes: << I just finished one too. Did you paint the casting? >> I decided to paint the castings, I put some patina on one and I don't like the results - kind of a dull pewter. I think they will be far better with paint. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 13:30:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:41:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG - Mime files Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:39:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.83916.0> References: <<19981215151833.CPZB20533@vic>> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk No, periodically I send a message to either new s*bscribers, or people who may have upgraded software/hardware. Mime posts or 'Content/Type = 'multipart/alternative'' can generate gibberish or empty messages depending on the software reader you are using. WE should all post ONLY 'text' or 'plain text' to a mailinglist. HTML and attached files are worse, and can cause crashes on some recipients machines. Please remember there is NOTHING standard on the internet, and sending the latest bells and whistles on 'Super Browser v. 12.5.17' may look neat to those who can read it may earn you some impolite responses from those who can't. There are people who have shell accounts, and can only decode text messages, and graphics cause them major agita. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 13:57:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:32:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Daniel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Baklava??? Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:12:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.31246.0> References: <<1998Dec14.101042.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Daniel wrote: > > > ---------------------------- > >BTW, Baklava. If anyone can come up with a way to make that taste > >edible, please let me know. My daughter lives in Italy and my one > >attempt at making it when she was younger, well let's say the taste > of > >it is still with her and there is no way she will make it for the > >traditional Christmas Eve Italian dinner. Yes, I soaked the stuff in > > >milk for 2 days, probably should have been 2 months. I'll stick with > > >turkey and stuffing. > --------------------------- > > > I thought baklava was greek pastry made with filo and honey? > > At least that is what I learned at the Culinary Institute of > America...seriously... > > I can't imagine soaking filo in milk for two days... > > Danie in Oregon > > -- > I am Greek Orthodox....if you want my baklava recipe I will be glad to share..cant post it right now cause I have to go get my kid. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 14:23:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:04:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Ed Rogers" Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:10:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199812152001.PAA11704@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > That was a useless, inane reply. You people just don't get it, do you?! > You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have addressed my > second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to make a joke out > of a reasonable, sincere request. Reasonable, sincere responses will be forthcoming, Ed. You have to give the several hundred members of bungi a chance to get to, read, and respond to their email. I'm just about the only one who's online all day long (and part of the night, too) and I apologize if my attempt at a little humor and lightheartedness was out of place. I will note, as sort of a warning to you, that humor and lightheartedness are part of bungi's ... er ... ambience, so watch out. While the people on bungi are dead serious about glass, they're also warm, caring human beings who share laughter and tears as well as techniques and sources. A sense of humor is a good thing to bring along with you to the confabulation. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 14:55:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:21:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: cabinet door Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:21:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.222118.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BE2870.DAE15040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed writes: I would appreciate advice on back-lighting a panel which has been inserted in a cabinet door. =20 Ed: I do not know how big is the space available for lighting fixtures, but = if it is big enough you can try to install lamps (small fluorescent = daylight tubes are not bad, if you find the colour which suits your = needs) on such a way, that light is directed towards a white (or other = colour if you like) screen installed in some distance from the glass = panel. On this way you have uniform light with hue you like and, as the = light is not directed at the panel, cool glass. But, since all sources = of light emit some IR (warm) radiation you have to provide proper = ventilation for the cabinet's interior [unless you use another light = sources: LED (Light Emmiting Diods) or light transmitting fiber optic = cables. But this is another story] I support your idea of NG sign Pawel Pawel Karaszkiewicz zekarasz@cyf-kr.edu.pl ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BE2870.DAE15040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed writes:
I would = appreciate advice on=20 back-lighting a panel which has been
inserted in a cabinet = door. =20  
 
Ed:
I do not know how big is the space = available for=20 lighting fixtures, but if it is big enough you can try to install lamps = (small=20 fluorescent daylight tubes are not bad, if you find the colour which = suits your=20 needs) on such a way, that light is directed towards a white (or other = colour if=20 you like) screen installed in some distance from the glass panel. On = this way=20 you have uniform light with hue you like and, as the light is not = directed at=20 the panel, cool glass. But, since all sources of light emit some IR = (warm)=20 radiation you have to provide proper ventilation for the cabinet's = interior=20 [unless you use another light sources: LED (Light Emmiting Diods) or = light=20 transmitting fiber optic cables. But this  is another = story]
 
I support  your idea of NG = sign
 
Pawel
 
Pawel = Karaszkiewicz
zekarasz@cyf-kr.edu.pl
 
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BE2870.DAE15040-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 16:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:43:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Ed Rogers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:42:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.124230.0> References: <<1998Dec15.0274.0>> Precedence: bulk Ed Rogers wrote: > > First, a personal Thank You to those typing NG in their subject when their > e-mail is not specifically related to Stained Glass. At least I'm able to > delete those immediately. And for those who aren't doing that, PLEASE start > doing so for the sake of those whose only interest is Stained Glass issues, > not recipes, jocularity, etc. > > Second, I would appreciate advice on back-lighting a panel which has been > inserted in a cabinet door. I have tried several combinations of lighting > and opaque inserts between the lights and the panel, but continue to get hot > spots. I'm trying to achieve as much of the look as possible, that one gets > when placing a panel in front of daylight. > > Thank you, > > ****************************** > E-mail from: Ed Rogers > EJR929@LVCM.COM > ****************************** > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the hot spots are caused by lighter glass. maybe if you do a selective reflector. trace the pattern on something, maybe 1/4" plywood. paint in the really dark spots (for dark glass), the brightest white you can find, glossness may make a difference. for the lighter glass use a darker color. hopefully this will compensate for the lighter glass. or you can paint the inside of the cabinet a light color, since the backer would be further away there should be a lesser chance of seeing hot spots. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 16:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:10:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: "Barbara J. Snell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:06:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981215180650.006e97dc@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Precedence: bulk Ed, I will share a little slogan that is posted in my office: "Having a sharp tongue can cut your own throat" I refer to it often as my day gets hectic and stressful, I do not want to lose sight of what I want to accomplish........ Barbara >X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis >X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) >From: "Albert Lewis" >To: "Ed Rogers" >Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel >Summary: Authenticated sender is >Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:10:11 +0000 > > >> That was a useless, inane reply. You people just don't get it, do you?! >> You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have addressed my >> second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to make a joke out >> of a reasonable, sincere request. > >Reasonable, sincere responses will be forthcoming, Ed. You have to >give the several hundred members of bungi a chance to get to, read, >and respond to their email. I'm just about the only one who's online >all day long (and part of the night, too) and I apologize if my >attempt at a little humor and lightheartedness was out of place. > >I will note, as sort of a warning to you, that humor and >lightheartedness are part of bungi's ... er ... ambience, so watch >out. While the people on bungi are dead serious about glass, they're >also warm, caring human beings who share laughter and tears as well >as techniques and sources. A sense of humor is a good thing to bring >along with you to the confabulation. > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 17:05:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:19:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Odp: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:19:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.11945.0> Precedence: bulk -----Wiadomo=B6=E6 orginalna----- Od: Albert Lewis Do: Ed Rogers Data: 15 grudnia 1998 23:36 Temat: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel >Reasonable, sincere responses will be forthcoming, Ed. You have to >give the several hundred members of bungi a chance to get to, read, >and respond to their email. I'm just about the only one who's online >all day long (and part of the night, too) and I apologize if my >attempt at a little humor and lightheartedness was out of place. I partly agree with Ed, Albert. Humor helps to survive in our rats race but sometimes, it may be a bit boring. So a sort of warning could be included - if I am in the mood, I can pick up my millyun, if not I can ju= st delete it (by the way, I like your joke). Concerning back-light: I did sent a resonable, sincere response to both E= d and bungi (reflected light instead of direct one) but it seems that something went wrong as nothing appeared. Since I am a new bungi, I have = to learn the ropes probably. Pawel (sleepless - it's 0000CET in Poland now) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 17:09:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:24:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Re: UK Dining Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.124744.0> References: <<1998Dec14.787.0>> Precedence: bulk Okay, i've never been and haven't had, but did once hear a song about a delicacy called "Mushy Peas', which involves cooking the peas until they are mushy and gray, THEN adding food coloring to make them green again! Gee, I hate to be totally off topic, but I can't in any way relate this to stained glass. Maybe I can get pierre to whip up an overcooked peas color, but who would want it? Dorothy K Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > Are you casting aspersions about a country that prides itself on > culinary delights such as: > Whitefish and potatoes, deep fried, then wrapped in used newspaper (the > London Times is the ink of choice for educated palates). > Toad in a hole > Bangers and Mash, > and the delightful dessert - > Spotted Dick. > And for our Scottish cholesterol loving friends - > Deep Fried Mars Bars > YES, the famous candy bar, dipped in the same type of batter used for > the fish in 'Fish and Chips', then plunged into boiling oil, til the > nougat is softened. No wonder they like beer. > Karen K. wrote: > > > > Does anyone else have the feeling they might want to pack a sack lunch if > > their planning a trip to the UK. > > Karen > > Adults are obsolete children > Theodore Guisel > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 17:28:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:52:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Tue Dec 15 15:52:37 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.132837.0> Precedence: bulk albert here is three cheers it is a shame that the the people that badger are doing what they are accusing of doing---complaining all the time is not talking about glass either, and i know i am tired of hearing everyone whine--i get 100 to 150 e-mails a day, work two full time jobs, take care of my house, and still find time to take a moment to smile and laugh--and read all my mail you are doing a great job, keep it up -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: Ed Rogers Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 5:45 PM Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel > >> That was a useless, inane reply. You people just don't get it, do you?! >> You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have addressed my >> second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to make a joke out >> of a reasonable, sincere request. > >Reasonable, sincere responses will be forthcoming, Ed. You have to >give the several hundred members of bungi a chance to get to, read, >and respond to their email. I'm just about the only one who's online >all day long (and part of the night, too) and I apologize if my >attempt at a little humor and lightheartedness was out of place. > >I will note, as sort of a warning to you, that humor and >lightheartedness are part of bungi's ... er ... ambience, so watch >out. While the people on bungi are dead serious about glass, they're >also warm, caring human beings who share laughter and tears as well >as techniques and sources. A sense of humor is a good thing to bring >along with you to the confabulation. > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 18:19:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:23:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.152144.0> Precedence: bulk And we all just CONTRIBUTE for free, right Albert? At least I don't = get paid for my time, do you?? = By the way, the Feng Shui panel on our web site is back-lit. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 18:41:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:23:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.152148.0> Precedence: bulk Ah, but I *did read that NG message and am now laughing all the way to the bank!! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios Who will not rent scaffolding again because boom lifts are worth every cent!! ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 18:58:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Sandra I Gustafson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mylar? Light Box Method? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:21:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.152150.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Sandy- When you place your pattern on top of the light box and then the glass on top of that, you then immediately cut your glass right there. With the light box method (or English cutting as it's called), you eliminate tracing a pattern and cutting out pattern pieces that are then transferred to the glass. Make sense? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 19:20:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:08:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth and Charles Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:57:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199812160106.BAA28636@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne in Tulsa (et al) The specifics are not yet known in cast-iron detail. Charles Warner and I have agreed that the workshops will be either immediately before OR after the Glass Visions but NOT during. (Most likely immediately AFTER) So your excursion to Allentown (or surroundings) could well be extended to a week (if you so wish.... ;-> ) Oh... and yes.... bring your own cutter, 'cause you ain't borrowing MINE!! The preliminary plan is to have at least one full day leading workshop. You may actually have designed something small in advance (e.g. 12 x 12 inches) and perhaps pre-cut the glass for it. I will probably myself have prepared something in advance that I will bring with me. I will also bring some of my tools (especially the "home-made" ones). No need to get heavy on the theory about leading; am quite happy to accept "virgins" (hmmm!?). Have been collecting together all the various questions about lead and lead techniques since late summer and hope to deal with them (as I see it) during the workshops. As regards claiming "your" place on the work-shop itself (and other events), Charles Warner himself is the person to contact (who already "lurks" on Bungi. I think that if he has followed the post, he already knows that I have said, that if you can GET there, you're ON!) ). Other events will be organized by and via Carol Swan, and the "E-Team" (Suzanne A, Lenore, Pamela, Lee and I think perhaps one or two others). Suzanne Albright has taken charge of my "social calender" on the East Coast - except for my sejourn with Charles and Marianne and a special dinner-date with a certain unnamed male..... oh! .... and.... OF COURSE! my much longed for meeting with Pierre!!! (Je viens! Je viens! Attend moi, cheri!!) What Carol Swan said just the other day, is the most sensible course of events right now. Nobody is going to be able to do / say very much until they have recovered from the Christmas and New Year hang-overs in February. Charles and myself need to get together "voice-to-voice" once or twice, and so on..... So KEEP TUNED IN!! Take care now Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Hope this will keep you happy for the time being Suzanne Tulsa...? > Are the specifics known to anyone yet? Dates? etc???? I am already > trying to decide what I need to bring. Cutter, check. Glass...no > way....MAJOR shopping to do! ;o) I cannot wait! Is it in August or > September? > > How long is this going to last? I could really go for a week! ;o) > > Are we gonna be able to take a class from Elisabeth? > And Elisabeth...you already know I have *no* lead experience, just > copper foil. Do you want me to do anything to prepare before hand?? I > have a basic understanding of leading...but is there something you want > me to read first or basic I should learn to do first? > or do you want me unruined by someone that may or may not know what they > are trying to teach, virginal so to speak?? > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 19:28:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:08:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Elisabeth and Charles Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:57:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199812160106.BAA28632@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, How could one possibly MISS a one-legged bald-headed Irishman, with a silly grin, wearing a s.g. tutu (pale pink!) and a mal-functioning gnomon of the name of Mad Hatter, streaking across the Canadian passport control!!! It's enough to frighten the Mounties' horses senseless! Warnings and ID-kits already posted at all official (and unofficial) border controls (INCLUDING Costa Rica) and the blood hounds - specially trained by Braybark Toby Tobias - are already in sity, drooling at the thought of the chase. The blood hounds have also been trained to endure pricks of hair pins and s.g. tiaras. Not a CHANCE Patrick!! As regards exact dates of the W-C Event , I myself don't know. But in any case, Charles and I have already agreed that my workshops will take place either immediately before or immediately after Glass Visions - depending on the dates of the latter. NOT DURING! So, as Carol Swan said : WATCH THIS SPACE!! .....and don't feed the blood hounds! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > I was about to ask the same questions. Except the part about viginally > speaking of course. > > When she does arrive(or invade), I need time to apply for my visa to Costa > Rica (hello Howard). I already have my Canadian passport under the name of > Mad Hatter. Do you think she'll be wise to me? > > > > > > >Are the specifics known to anyone yet? Dates? etc???? I am already > >trying to decide what I need to bring. Cutter, check. Glass...no > >way....MAJOR shopping to do! ;o) I cannot wait! Is it in August or > >September? > > > >How long is this going to last? I could really go for a week! ;o) > > > >Are we gonna be able to take a class from Elisabeth? > >And Elisabeth...you already know I have *no* lead experience, just > >copper foil. Do you want me to do anything to prepare before hand?? I > >have a basic understanding of leading...but is there something you want > >me to read first or basic I should learn to do first? > >or do you want me unruined by someone that may or may not know what they > >are trying to teach, virginal so to speak?? > > > >Tulsa Suzanne...who is ready > >-- > >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 19:37:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:40:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Odp: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:36:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.153645.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Pawel- Welcome to bungi... I've been with the group for about three years now. Do you know how many times I've = answered the same questions over and over and over again especially = the standard questions newcomers have. Dozens of times. Does it get boring. You bet... it takes a considerable amount of patience not to simply tell someone to check the archives. But, we continue to be patient and answer. Why? For love of glass... the art... and because, boring or not, we're all a little bit teachers. And, we're all (well, most of us) alot friends... that's why = when things get a bit boring for us... we digress to other more personal subjects. We've had a few flamefests over this before... once the entire list was shut down for the better part of a week by the administrator who got fed up with us. I really hope that doesn't happen again! There are many days when I = yearn for a list composed solely of = professional artists... but, that would change the dynamics of the group immensely and certainly would diminish the learning experience for newcomers and hobbyists. And probably pretty = boring for the pros, too, because what would a bunch of know-it-alls yack = about after the first few weeks! Frankly, folks like Ed don't make me feel very = giving... certainly not very appreciated. Well, it takes all kinds and bungi is just a representative slice of the world. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 19:50:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:48:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: lcbell@memach.com (Linda Campbell), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: non glass related Re: Web Tv Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:46:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec15.154650.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Linda, WEB TV is a small box , 2 1/2 x 7 x 11 (rough demensions) that is connected to your TV like you would connect a VCR.. The price of the unit is $99. for the box and $57 for the remote keyboard... no wires for the keyboard.. I believe Bill Gates has a hand in this since Microsoft appears on the first screen.. T he unit I have is a Sony.. You still need a monthly provider.. WEB offers a service for their number for $19.99 plus toll.. If you are not a toll number to them, that is great.. I was, but WEB will give you a $10. monthly rebate if you have to go with your local ISP provider.. You can connect to a printer or just forward your messages to your PC that is attached to the printer.. The features are your Internet Interests.. You can click on Mike Savad"s hyper text and enter his wonderful world of glass, .. You can bookmark your interests and sign up to e Bay auctions.. Really, anything you do on the Internet you have on your TV AND the full size of your screen.. I have it on a 19 inch and can see it accross the bed and over Borzoi heads.. Only draw back, have not found spell check.. (have it only 1 week), it might be there.. If I can help you in any other way leave me know, Gloria.. PS. Have not tried Pam"s chat line yet.. Also, it post only sooo many messages and you have too delete to get more, but it is a nice amount before you bog down.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 20:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:25:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: zekarasz@cyf-kr.edu.pl (Pawel Karaszkiewicz), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: My reply, not glass related Re: Odp: 1. Thanks/Request Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:12:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec15.161252.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Hi Pawel, Welcome, and I am an American Pole.. Wish I knew more (grandparents home town) , but my parents are gone. But still make my mother's recipes for perogies, sweet sauerkruat with mushrooms and more.. But atlas, it is better cooking for me in the kiln.. Enjoy he glass line.. They are good people.. Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 20:26:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:59:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net (Albert Lewis), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: sorry, I do not know it all Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:53:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec15.155337.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Albert, Thank you, new toy and so many items too bookmark yet ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 20:57:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:26:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:17:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199812160225.CAA06972@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Albert, You are always there with an apt comment, smoothing ruffled fur and being very concillitory (sp?) I missed much of the Ed debacle, I only got the back-wash. It's true though.... apart from being wheeled on for info, advice teaching, reference-library, Agony Aunts/uncles, we are also very real human beings, with time & motion problems of our own. Sometimes we do actually want a real good belly-laugh (....it releases the stress in the glass when we are trying to cut that nasty curve!!). As part of that occasional feeling that someone tells me I "OWE" them something, I was very relieved to see a posting from Carol Swann earlier on today that sort of tried to "balance" things out a bit. I know I am a soft touch in many ways, I can spend my entire night's sleep composing an answer to a distressed Bunginian who seeks answers to leading technique problems. But I got to survive as well. I am no spring chicken.... Stained glass is my bread and butter, my mortgage and my and SOME of Toby's food..... Patrick makes up for the rest.....). It is occasionally a little bit invasive and intrusive when someone arrives on the scene and dictates what I should and shouldn't do or say. I get uneasy when I am lambasted with on/off group e-mails phrased in the terms of demands of what is required of me. I have no idea about light, colours, retailers, supplies, quality in Singapore, Outer Mongolia, Virgin Islands or Malasyia. (.... and never mind the Irish....). It'll take me a while to try to place myself into THEIR situation..... the same way as now for years I have been bantering about USA / UK ..... and my little corner of Sweden. I most vehemently disagree with ED and his statement that "I am supposed to be there to help". WHO ARE YOU ED??? And whoever you are, what are you giving into the situation other than dictates??? I am NOT your servant. I have my on-days, as well as off-days; I have a family, I have friends, commitments and many other things. I owe you nothing! I lead a very busy life. Bungi is part of my life - but not ALL of it. I too need to be silly, I too need to have a bit of relief from bill-paying and a total crap-piece of glass that WILL not cut the way I want it to. There are a lot of people out there in Bungi exactly in the same situation. This may be a bit daunting for someone coming in "cold" We all know that. We are all very warm and welcoming. We are so emotional about stained glass that we often adopt a favourite "newbie" into whom we pour an awful lot of emotions, e-mails, advice and so very often a knock on the door in person. If you want just pure information, we have a quite impressive archives. Go there. If you want to interact with us, we fully expect you to join Patrick and don a pale pink stained glass tutu. The choice is yours.... We may be silly now and then.... but we are deadly serious too. And Carol thank you very much for a very balanced and sensible reply to a deluge of e-mails received (even off-group) I have struggled for a month or so about "how to reply". About back-lighting panels; I dare say a lot of people will ignore your derogatory comments and pour helpful suggestions. They are like that - the Bungi lot. I am virtually fed on BBC studio techniques through Brian - my other half. I got diverted by the tone of your e-mail and am reluctant to admit that I have lost interest. at 2.30 in the morning (UK time) now, I am going to bed....Sorry - not impressed. Why should I bother? The good-humouredness, the bantering and the FUN is actually part and parcel of what has brought us Bunginians closer together. It is also almost a direct result of how my pending visit to USA has come about. An exchange on a very human level. Tied up to that is also an enthusiasm from stained glass hobbyists and professionals here in UK to get together face-to-face BEFORE my departure, so that the exchange really CAN be a mutual exchange. .....and a stained glass exchange..... (We are still working out dates here in UK....) It's been the fun, silly, off-beat, non- s.g elements that have made people "click" and dared to take that extra little risk to trust themselves into the hands of other people across an entire Continent, the entire Globe, just to get together face-to-face, to spend time together and experience different ways of creating stained glass. What's your agenda?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > That was a useless, inane reply. You people just don't get it, do you?! > > You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have addressed my > > second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to make a joke out > > of a reasonable, sincere request. > > Reasonable, sincere responses will be forthcoming, Ed. You have to > give the several hundred members of bungi a chance to get to, read, > and respond to their email. I'm just about the only one who's online > all day long (and part of the night, too) and I apologize if my > attempt at a little humor and lightheartedness was out of place. > > I will note, as sort of a warning to you, that humor and > lightheartedness are part of bungi's ... er ... ambience, so watch > out. While the people on bungi are dead serious about glass, they're > also warm, caring human beings who share laughter and tears as well > as techniques and sources. A sense of humor is a good thing to bring > along with you to the confabulation. > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 21:00:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:57:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ED was Re: 1. Thanks/Request Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:06:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.15622.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19981215180650.006e97dc@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk > You people just don't get it, do you?! > >> You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have >>>>>addressed my second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to make a joke out > >> of a reasonable, sincere request. Tell you what Ed, This is the biggest joke I have ever seen posted on Bungi. Maybe I just havent been here long enough. Let me address the issues you bring up. Please. "You people....dont get it. *You are **supposed** to be here to help!!" This just cracks me up. Who is "you people" ? You arent talking to me are you? lol... SUPPOSED!!??? Sheesh...what a way to **ask** for help! Just out of curiosity, where did you see that written? Ummmm...From what I have seen written about bungi...it was started by Glenna Rand, who loves glass and made a place for others who love glass to get together...and address it. I have never seen a place that said...Dani, Elisabeth, Albert, Howard, Mike, etc......(if I left out your name...it's just because I cant list all that have helped me so much here) the glass Gods were ****SUPPOSED*** to help us. Hey Ed, what have *you done for **YOU people lately? Perhaps you should take a lesson from me instead (a mom)... Be nice. Use some manners. Call your mother. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 21:21:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:13:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Pawel??!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:57:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199812160306.DAA08905@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Years ago, we had a habit of greeting every single newbie welcome into Bungi. I refuse to totally allow that old courtesy to lie down and die....> Pawel has snuck in quietly from Poland ( in Europe!!) Welcome Pawel!!! Another voice from Europe is only more than welcome!! I hope you will feel well with us, wanted and the rest of it! We have had other people from Poland on the Bungi-list. I must look down my own personal archives and let you have the details in due course. I am a crotchety old Swede living in England. Polish and Swedish history have been much intertwined throughout the centuries. I hope you won't resent me for that...... Welcome to Bungi and make sure to jump up and down. There are some truly wonderful people out there. Be sure to post your Bio with Patrick Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >Reasonable, sincere responses will be forthcoming, Ed. You have to > >give the several hundred members of bungi a chance to get to, read, > >and respond to their email. I'm just about the only one who's online > >all day long (and part of the night, too) and I apologize if my > >attempt at a little humor and lightheartedness was out of place. > > > I partly agree with Ed, Albert. Humor helps to survive in our rats race > but sometimes, it may be a bit boring. So a sort of warning could be > included - if I am in the mood, I can pick up my millyun, if not I can ju= > st > delete it (by the way, I like your joke). > Concerning back-light: I did sent a resonable, sincere response to both E= > d > and bungi (reflected light instead of direct one) but it seems that > something went wrong as nothing appeared. Since I am a new bungi, I have = > to > learn the ropes probably. > > Pawel > (sleepless - it's 0000CET in Poland now) > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 21:29:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:19:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Thanks for all the ideas folks.... Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:26:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.152630.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the shop ideas folks... My ISP's mail server fried and I didnt get all the replies but I just read them all in the archives... Lots of electrical will be no problem since my day job is an electrician anyway... Lots of other good stuff the replies also which I've written down and will be adding... Hopefully I'll be starting the shop in Feb and finish mar/apr or so... I'll post pix when I'm done... Might even get my web site up by then to put the pix on... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 21:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:22:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:29:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.152930.0> Precedence: bulk I just cannot get over the attitude that *you people are supposed to help me. I apologise to anyone that does not own a delete button. You got the browser, what can I say? I am so offended for the actual people that are the "helpers" on Bungi. Apparently some people dont have a clue how fortunate they are to be *allowed* so easily to have contact with such a group of people. No dues, no photos of quality work to submit. You can just be signing up for your first ever glass class...or not even bothering to take classes, and yet you are free to discuss glass with people who have vast experience, and are gifted artists and craftspeople. you have the benefit of their knowledge and experience...free. Maybe this is what is known as a blessing, a gift horse? Maybe this is one of the things that you are supposed to say "Thank you, God" for...when you remember to say your prayers. I consider myself very fortunate to have found bungi, and have met some really wonderful, good hearted, sympathetic, gracious, helpful, talented, etc...... people that are willing to share the benefit of their knowledge with those of us that could be left to do it all on our own... I appreciate what is shared with me here. Thanks to all of you helpers... I apologise for the people that dont know how to be grateful. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 21:54:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: JJKIRBY@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creating Creative Castings for Christmas Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:22:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec15.112243.0> References: <<1998Dec15.13025.0>> Precedence: bulk JJKIRBY: You said without the sand trick the nine pieces wouldn't have gone together as nice??? Tell us about the sand trick. I apparently missed out on something. Thanks, Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 22:23:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:34:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!SUZIEQ1 From: "Sandra I Gustafson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: One more question. Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.183123.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Dani, for answering my questions. There is one more that I would like to ask you. Does your pattern have to be transparent too? Sandy Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 22:27:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:35:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Ed Rogers" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199812160429.XAA19744@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >> That was a useless, inane reply. You people just don't get it, do you?! >> You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have addressed my >> second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to make a joke out >> of a reasonable, sincere request. > >Reasonable, sincere responses will be forthcoming, Ed. You have to >give the several hundred members of bungi a chance to get to, read, >and respond to their email. I'm just about the only one who's online >all day long (and part of the night, too) and I apologize if my >attempt at a little humor and lightheartedness was out of place. > >I will note, as sort of a warning to you, that humor and >lightheartedness are part of bungi's ... er ... ambience, so watch >out. While the people on bungi are dead serious about glass, they're >also warm, caring human beings who share laughter and tears as well >as techniques and sources. A sense of humor is a good thing to bring >along with you to the confabulation. > >Albert What are you saying, Ed? We're here because we WANT to help. Not "supposed to." And I for one am not inclined to help anyone who can't show us a bit of human respect and decency. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 22:44:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:19:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dream Workshop. Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:07:21 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec16.2721.0> References: <<1998Dec15.31938.0>> Precedence: bulk Okay since you are nagging people for input on the workshops I figured I would come out of lurkerdom to give my 2 cents. A water source, preferably a large sink (which my workshop does not have) so one doesn't have to schlep water for their grinder. Also a place to dump the gooey water from the grinder without having to carry it anywhere, I always spill it! That's on my wish list for my dream workshop and of course everything else everyone told you too. Mike's certainly would make me happy! OK back to lurking now, I took the night off from making Christmas presents. Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 22:45:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:28:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth and Charles Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:36:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.163648.0> References: <<199812160106.BAA28636@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk > The specifics are not yet known in cast-iron detail. > Charles Warner and I have agreed that the workshops will be either > immediately before OR after the Glass Visions but NOT during. (Most > likely immediately AFTER) So your excursion to Allentown (or > surroundings) could well be extended to a week (if you so wish.... > ;-> ) YES!!!!! YES!!! and YES!!!!! > Oh... and yes.... bring your own cutter, 'cause you ain't borrowing > MINE!! Well, that's a given! ;o) However, I have enough respect that I just *might let *you* use mine....but NO ONE else! I'm just wierd that way, you know! > The preliminary plan is to have at least one full day leading > workshop. You may actually have designed something small in advance > (e.g. 12 x 12 inches) and perhaps precut the glass for it. So, I dont have to freak out (you know how I get) about having to perform in front of you? My glass Goddess? it is easy for me to be at ease with you here Elisabeth....but I would have been too humbled to have approached you in person...so...be aware that I may be a bit shy (me?) in person. But, I really really really cant wait! This is soooo cool! Some of us know our blessings and gift horses...and remember to say Thank you God! (sorry, couldnt help it) > am quite happy to accept "virgins" (hmmm!?) Yeah, well....it might be a bit of a stretch... > As regards claiming "your" place on the work-shop itself (and other > events), Charles Warner himself is the person to contact (who already > "lurks" on Bungi. I think that if he has followed the post, he > already knows that I have said, that if you can GET there, you're > ON!) ). You see this, right Charles? ;o) > What Carol Swan said just the other day, is the most sensible course > of events right now. Nobody is going to be able to do / say very much > until they have recovered from the Christmas and New Year hang-overs > in February. I know, I know...but Im so excited! Man, that's some hangover! Thank you, Elisabeth. (Hey, and Thank you, Charles) I am so excited. It's gonna be cool! Oh.. And, if I forget ;o) anything I need, it can be easily replaced! Visa/mastercard beware!!!! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 22:48:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:04:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: PD: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:05:59 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.6559.0> Precedence: bulk -----Wiadomo=9C=E6 orginalna----- Od: Pawel Karaszkiewicz Do: Dani Greer Data: 16 grudnia 1998 03:32 Temat: Odp: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel >Dear Dani, > >Thank you for your nice and heart - warming letter. I undrestand pretty well >the idea of the list and In fact I like it, but perhaps for some people the >serious approach to life is important (I do not care, personally). >I am a pro (conservation) and a teacher (Academy of Fine Arts) and an >amateur in old meaning of this word - "lover of something" (amo, amare = - to >love, in Latin). What I love is the glass (frankly speaking some other >things too, including few human beeings). >I feel that the list is something which gives both - entertaiment and >professional advice. As long as it is balanced, it is OK. > >Sorry for rather chaotic letter. Its 3.20 A.M in Poland now and I am sti= ll >writing reports - end of the year is usually horrible. But, just to rest= , >from time to time I am checking the e-mail: bungi is very tempting. > >Thank you once more > >Pawel >-----Wiadomo=9C=E6 orginalna----- >Od: Dani Greer >Do: Pawel Karaszkiewicz >DW: all >Data: 16 grudnia 1998 02:38 >Temat: Odp: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel > > >> >>Welcome to bungi... I've been with >>the group for about three years now. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 22:57:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:30:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "Bungi List" Subject: Re: ED was Re: 1. Thanks/Request Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:29:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199812160529.AAA07025@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, You go girl!! I am a widow and often participate in a grief bulletin board as I am down the line in my grief and feel maybe I can offer support to the newbies. But often we get someone that posts on the board and then comes back the next day and whines and stomps their foot because no one answered their post. Well Dah! We go and we offer suport freely and free and to whom we feel we have something to offer it to. Since I am a widow I respond to new widows, and so on. When someone demands something, it turns me off, way off... So maybe or friend Ed was under the impression that there are glass pros here just waiting to answer questions. Sort of like the Butterball Turkey 800#.... I feel that I have to participate and try to offer help if I can and hope when I post someone will be willing to share. Since I got on this list, I have gleened a lot of great information that wasn't even directed to me. I have had a couple real good suggestions that are making my work area/garage studio easier to work with. I am grateful for anything I can learn. I have gotten some real good giggles and a few actual outright belly laughs from just reading and that is worth a bizillion... Thanks guys, I hope this message doesn't come through in mime or whatever screwed Vic up. I have checked and not changed a thing, so I don't have a clue. Oh Albert, I have my whatever set on plain text, that is the best I can do, right?? :-) (Eljay) Linda Jo Jacksonville, Florida ICQ uin 5072431 -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:07 AM Subject: ED was Re: 1. Thanks/Request >> You people just don't get it, do you?! >> >> You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have >>>>>addressed my second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to make a joke out >> >> of a reasonable, sincere request. > > >Tell you what Ed, This is the biggest joke I have ever seen posted on >Bungi. Maybe I just havent been here long enough. > >Let me address the issues you bring up. Please. > >"You people....dont get it. *You are **supposed** to be here to help!!" > >This just cracks me up. Who is "you people" ? You arent talking to me >are you? lol... SUPPOSED!!??? Sheesh...what a way to **ask** for >help! Just out of curiosity, where did you see that written? > >Ummmm...From what I have seen written about bungi...it was started by >Glenna Rand, who loves glass and made a place for others who love glass >to get together...and address it. I have never seen a place that >said...Dani, Elisabeth, Albert, Howard, Mike, etc......(if I left out >your name...it's just because I cant list all that have helped me so >much here) the glass Gods were ****SUPPOSED*** to help us. Hey Ed, what >have *you done for **YOU people lately? > >Perhaps you should take a lesson from me instead (a mom)... Be nice. >Use some manners. Call your mother. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 15 23:10:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:20:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Odp: Pawel??!! Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.81949.0> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth'n Toby in UK, Thanks for greetings - it is a pleasure to be part of such a friendly bunch of stained-glass people ! And do not worry too much about the old Polish - Swedish history (althoug your army half ruined my home city - Krakow - they did not make any harm to stained glass windows though). I am stained glass restorer and teacher of something which is called "conservation science". Funny enough I teach this stuff to students of Academy of Fine Arts, which is nearly as difficult as some discussions in Bungi. By the way: who is Patrick I should send a Bio to? (sorry) Well it's 07.15 AM and I am finishing my all night raport. Hope, will be understandable. Thank you for letter -we 'll be in touch Pawel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 00:01:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:17:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Daniel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Baklava/sorry its non glass Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:43:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.14431.0> References: <<1998Dec14.101042.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Daniel wrote: > > > ---------------------------- > >BTW, Baklava. If anyone can come up with a way to make that taste > >edible, please let me know. My daughter lives in Italy and my one > >attempt at making it when she was younger, well let's say the taste > of > >it is still with her and there is no way she will make it for the > >traditional Christmas Eve Italian dinner. Yes, I soaked the stuff in > > >milk for 2 days, probably should have been 2 months. I'll stick with > > >turkey and stuffing. > --------------------------- > > > I thought baklava was greek pastry made with filo and honey? > > At least that is what I learned at the Culinary Institute of > America...seriously... > > I can't imagine soaking filo in milk for two days... > > hope no one minds a non glass post...since so many people expressed an interest I figured I would post rather than individually email. besides its almost Christmas....warning: this is very easy to make but VERY time consuming....give yourself a few hours...all the individual layering of filo and brushing with butter takes time but it is worth it in the finished product. Baklava 1 and 1/2 lb pecan/walnut mixture blenderized ( pistachios in here also works well...just keep the same amount of nuts whatever the kind or combination) 1 Tablespoon cinnamon 1 and 1/2 tsp cloves and/or allspice 1/2 cup sugar package filo dough at least a package of unsalted butter, maybe more DO NOT SKIMP ON BUTTER OR THE QUALITY WILL SUFFER...Richard Simmons does a version spraying Pam on the filo dough: DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING THIS!!!! mix the nuts, spices and sugar together evenly. carefully read box directions on working with filo dough. It is very important to keep what you are not immediately working with covered with a moist(not soaking) towel or the dough will dry out very very quickly. Melt a couple of sticks of butter however you usually do that and spread a pan (I usually use a large pyrex lasagna pan)bottom with a pastry brush. Then layer about four or five sheets of dough brushing butter on top of EACH AND EVERY ONE. sprinkle some nuts(about a third of them) on top of this evenly. Then another four or five or so sheets. more nuts. Remembering to butter each of these layers!!!!you will be melting more as you need it, believe you me. and on and on till you run out of nuts and reach the top of the pan. there should be 15 to 17 layers on top of the pile. Using a very sharp knife cut into the familiar diamond shapes. Poke a whole clove into each of the diamonds. Bake at 325 for 70 minutes. Let cool and pour warm syrup over the pastry.. (there are various opinions about the "best" combination here warm pastry/cool syrup, warm pastry/warm syrup, etc etc.I have always used the cool pastry and hot syrup and it turns out great) for the syrup: 1 cup honey 1 cup water 2 tablespoons lemon juice 2 cinnamon sticks 6 or 7 whole cloves optional lemon extract or rind and or orange extract or rind. Rosewater also is nice or vanilla. about a teaspoon of any or all of these flavorings. put all of this in saucepan, bring to a boil, simmer about 20 minutes and pour over the pastry. let everything cool before you remove the pieces and serve. Enjoy. Merry Christmas Liz (who likes to create in food almost as much as in glass) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 00:16:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:18:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sorry Ed Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:02:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec15.1821.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Ed, Ask not what bungi can do for you, ask what you can do for bungi. Carol T Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crispy and good with ketchup. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 00:31:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:36:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:19:01 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.19191.0> Precedence: bulk >How close are the people going to be able to get to the picture? If it is >going to be higher up....you might want to go with a deeper shade so that the >colors don't fade out. The panel is going to be right after the front door, fixed to a two feet high cement platform and in a iron frame. The frame will be made after the panel is complete so I won't have to worry about the panel growing a bit. I have still not decided on the lighting for it, and I guess I will leave it to the last. Thanks for the advice, Margie. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 >What I am trying to say is the farer away something is....the lighter it >looks. > >Margie > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 00:44:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:36:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:05:17 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.20517.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, you once mentioned having used Australian made Hi-Glass once. Could you give some more information on it? Or anyone else who has worked with that glass? Anyone from Down Under? Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad To: Shakeel Abedi Cc: Bungi Group Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Help with glass selection >Shakeel Abedi wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> The mere trickle of information on Dream Workshop apart. >> >> I need your help in selection og glass for the new project I am working on. >> >> I have a very limited choice of glass at the only retailer I have here, and >> my lack of experience with regards to the different types of glass available >> in the market doesn't help any. >> >> I have been asked to create a 4x6 panel of Buddha. I have been looking >> around for the right pose and image that I could use as my starting point. >> But one thing that I am sure of now is some of the colors required. I need a >> lot of reds, and gold. I am not sure which companies make the best glass in >> that colors. >> >> Would appreciete if you could name a few, companies and product numbers if >> possible, then I can ask for it at my supplier's. >> >> Any other help in the making of Buddha would be of help too. >> >> TIA >> >> Shakeel Abedi >> shakeel@tm.net.my >> Shakeel Abedi >> Rainbow Stained Glass >> 104, Jalan Mersing >> 86000 Kluang >> Malaysia >> Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >gold will be the hardest. bullseye makes a gold matt irridescent. but i >think it needs to be custom made. and the reds, will depend on what your >doing with it and what it has to match. for example: > >if it's a border, i would use spectrum red wispy. it would blend in the >best. > >if it's a robe i would use youghiogeheny red/white stipple, using the >white as highlights to represent the folds of the fabric. > >if it's for a detail, a jewel, etc, i would use an exciting irridescent, >like armstrong, uroboros, or youg. > >if it's a background, you'll want it either solid or clear. and antique >clear would be pretty (as long as you don't have other clears in the >panel). if there are more clears a persons eye will go to that (seeing >it as background, regardless of color). if you choose a opalescent it >may be too distracting. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview >of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 01:06:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:38:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:02:55 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.20255.0> Precedence: bulk Rachel, You mention about the disappointing size of the sample glass. I was just talking to Debbie about. Whether they were really useful. I remember I wanted to use Australian made Hi-Glass once and a friend happened to bring me some pieces from Australia and I could not really imagine what they would really look like in larger size. I have just e-mailed Hi-Glass for one sheet each of their glass, hope they reply soon, and I sure hope they have the colors. Actually scrap exchange is a wonderful idea, but the problem is most of the guys at Bungi won't accept even the postage, and I know postage (international) specially heavy items is quite high. And that makes me reluctant to make any such request. Thanks for the help, keep in touch. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Ammann To: Shakeel Abedi Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Help with glass selection >I bought some sample sets a few years ago, and regret >having done so. > >They are wonderful for picking cathedral glasses since >they are pretty much the same color every time, on >every sheet. > >But, they are very disappointing for opalescent/wispy >pieces. I had a sample of one glass that was reddish >with a little yellow. I ordered a piece of the glass >and it was yellow with a little red. Even 4 in x 6 in >samples are too small to be representative of fancy >opalescents. > >The sample sets weigh a ton. You have to keep them in >reinforced boxes. And they are a problem to move. You >have to wrap every piece or they will get broken during >shipment. > >Each manufacturer has a different size for samples. >Some are 3 in x 5 in, some are 1.5 in x 3 in. > >I've seen stores with samples of all manufacturers in >light box displays. These are custom cut all the same >size, not bought as sample sets. > >What I found is useful is to exchange scraps of glass >with friends. People are usually willing to give away >scraps, and the pieces are smaller (weigh less). You >might ask if people on the web are willing to send you >some scraps. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 01:08:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:38:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:31:22 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.233122.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Ed, Your point of view is correct. But Ed, so is the view of those who change the subject and make a joke out of a plea for help. For after all this NOT a "alt.stained-glass" or "whatever.stained-glass.whatever" newsgroup, or a stained-glass only mailing list. In fact the bungi is no where connected to the stained glass. I think Glenna will be able to describe this mailing list better. But from what I gather, this mailing list is for those interested in glass, a platform for people to gather and share their feelings, joys and sorrows. For when you bring people together Ed, we bring with them their tears and their laughter, their triumphs and their frustrations. And when we bring people together in such an informal way we can't say " Guys, this is what we are going to talk about. We can not set an agenda. This is no corporate meeting. We are a very diverse group here, mostly from the United States but also from as far flung place as Israel, Australia and Malaysia. Sometimes the way I say something may look perfectly innocent and non-demanding to some , and some one else may find it irritating. Putting a NG before the subject is a good idea. But how are we going to change the habits of some of us who have been here since the beginning and never thought of having to catagorize their mail. To end, this is a mailing list of stained glass artists, not just the art. No hard feelings, Ed, and I will try to use NG. Thanks Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Ed Rogers To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 7:00 AM Subject: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel >First, a personal Thank You to those typing NG in their subject when their >e-mail is not specifically related to Stained Glass. At least I'm able to >delete those immediately. And for those who aren't doing that, PLEASE start >doing so for the sake of those whose only interest is Stained Glass issues, >not recipes, jocularity, etc. > >Second, I would appreciate advice on back-lighting a panel which has been >inserted in a cabinet door. I have tried several combinations of lighting >and opaque inserts between the lights and the panel, but continue to get hot >spots. I'm trying to achieve as much of the look as possible, that one gets >when placing a panel in front of daylight. > >Thank you, > >****************************** > E-mail from: Ed Rogers > EJR929@LVCM.COM >****************************** > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 01:30:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:46:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: andor@fair.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Let's get Ed Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:12:14, -0500 Message-ID: <199812160812.DAA10720@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>When someone demands something, it turns me off, way off...<< Yeah, thought that way once, in fact for a long time. Turns out that when people come across as demanding they often are in need or, perhaps, it is the culture they come from where their "demands" would seem quite normal. IMO this list is International and about stained glass. We need to try and act that way. The posts that addressed Ed's questions on list were outweighed about ten to one by us trying to present our "superior" manners without any attempt to address his SG problem. I doubt very much that several of the worst degrading posts would have been made to Ed's face. In fact, I am surprised that he is still here. Perhaps he needs help and has the determination and fortitude to get it from us. I know a few previously rough talking guys that are now my friends and as polite as pie. I have tried for a long time to hold my keyboard but now it is out. Flame me if you need to. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net CC: YWAH36A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 01:41:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:33:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: " BOB DUCHESNEAU" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Odp: Welcome Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:31:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.103139.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bob, It is nice to meet such a fine people interested in the same field. This gives a good perspective for future collaboration, exchange news and reci= pes (who wants to know how pierogi are prepared?). More seriuosly speaking I know about Julie's Sloane book although I have never seen it. I am sure that bungi group will be, as it was already before a gang of people who can combine professionalism with human behaviour. This is wha= t we need nowadays. Thank you for writing Happy holidays Pawel -----Wiadomo=B6=E6 orginalna----- Od: BOB DUCHESNEAU Do: zekarasz@cyf-kr.edu.pl DW: ssuter@intrastar.net Data: 16 grudnia 1998 09:00 Temat: Welcome >Hi Pawel, > >Welcome to the list. I think somewhere you said that you were reading >the archives. Doing at least a bit of this will give you a good >"handle" on what the list does. Right at the present time we are not >on our best behavior but we do get very serious about glass when the >occasion arises. > >The topic of restoration comes up frequently. Ask questions, help out >or do both. Albert's wife, Julie Sloan, wrote a book entitled >"Conservation of Stained Glass in America" or a title close to that. > > >Happy holidays, > >Bob > >>>Elisabeth'n Toby in UK, > >Thanks for greetings - it is a pleasure to be part of such a >friendly bunch >of stained-glass people ! >And do not worry too much about the old Polish - Swedish history >(althoug >your army half ruined my home city - Krakow - they did not make any >harm to >stained glass windows though). >I am stained glass restorer and teacher of something which is called >"conservation science". Funny enough I teach this stuff to students >of >Academy of Fine Arts, which is nearly as difficult as some >discussions in >Bungi. By the way: who is Patrick I should send a Bio to? (sorry) > >Well it's 07.15 AM and I am finishing my all night raport. Hope, will >be >understandable. > >Thank you for letter -we 'll be in touch > >Pawel<< > >____ >Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 >Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 01:59:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:08:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, shakeel@tm.net.my Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:34:12, -0500 Message-ID: <199812160834.DAA12264@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>The panel is going to be right after the front door, fixed to a two feet high cement platform and in a iron frame. The frame will be made after the panel is complete so I won't have to worry about the panel growing a bit. I have still not decided on the lighting for it, and I guess I will leave it to the last.<< In an earlier post I think you were talking about sandwiching the panel. Sounds to me like this protection is a must. I would use tempered glass on any accessible side and preferably both. Do not use safety glass as it breaks easily. Have repaired to many church panels to believe that temples are much different. Were the panel to be installed over four feet from the floor I would not recommend the extra protection. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 04:07:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:31:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: "B. S. Jones" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Odp: Pawel??!! Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:29:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.13291.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for wellcoming words. Bungi seems to be very special thing, completely different from those professional lists I know - perhaps thank= s to the subject. hope to be in touch sometimes All the best Pawel -----Wiadomo=B6=E6 orginalna----- Od: B. S. Jones Do: Pawel Karaszkiewicz Data: 16 grudnia 1998 11:07 Temat: RE: Pawel??!! > >Wellcome to Bungi Pawel, I am one of the several ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 04:35:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:01:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: "Linda Letscher" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: NG - ED was Re: 1. Thanks/Request Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:05:22 -0500 Message-ID: <19981216120118.ICQM13123@vic> Precedence: bulk Linda: Just to let you know; You looked absolutely MAHVELOUSE here. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---------- > From: Linda Letscher > To: Bungi List > Subject: Re: ED was Re: 1. Thanks/Request > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:29 AM > > Suzanne, You go girl!! > > I am a widow and often participate in a grief bulletin board as I am down > the line in my grief and feel maybe I can offer support to the newbies. But > often we get someone that posts on the board and then comes back the next > day and whines and stomps their foot because no one answered their post. > Well Dah! We go and we offer suport freely and free and to whom we feel we > have something to offer it to. Since I am a widow I respond to new widows, > and so on. When someone demands something, it turns me off, way off... > > So maybe or friend Ed was under the impression that there are glass pros > here just waiting to answer questions. Sort of like the Butterball Turkey > 800#.... I feel that I have to participate and try to offer help if I can > and hope when I post someone will be willing to share. > > Since I got on this list, I have gleened a lot of great information that > wasn't even directed to me. I have had a couple real good suggestions that > are making my work area/garage studio easier to work with. I am grateful > for anything I can learn. I have gotten some real good giggles and a few > actual outright belly laughs from just reading and that is worth a > bizillion... > > Thanks guys, I hope this message doesn't come through in mime or whatever > screwed Vic up. I have checked and not changed a thing, so I don't have a > clue. Oh Albert, I have my whatever set on plain text, that is the best I > can do, right?? :-) > > (Eljay) Linda Jo > Jacksonville, Florida > ICQ uin 5072431 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:07 AM > Subject: ED was Re: 1. Thanks/Request > > > >> You people just don't get it, do you?! > >> >> You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have > >>>>>addressed my second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to > make a joke out > >> >> of a reasonable, sincere request. > > > > > >Tell you what Ed, This is the biggest joke I have ever seen posted on > >Bungi. Maybe I just havent been here long enough. > > > >Let me address the issues you bring up. Please. > > > >"You people....dont get it. *You are **supposed** to be here to help!!" > > > >This just cracks me up. Who is "you people" ? You arent talking to me > >are you? lol... SUPPOSED!!??? Sheesh...what a way to **ask** for > >help! Just out of curiosity, where did you see that written? > > > >Ummmm...From what I have seen written about bungi...it was started by > >Glenna Rand, who loves glass and made a place for others who love glass > >to get together...and address it. I have never seen a place that > >said...Dani, Elisabeth, Albert, Howard, Mike, etc......(if I left out > >your name...it's just because I cant list all that have helped me so > >much here) the glass Gods were ****SUPPOSED*** to help us. Hey Ed, what > >have *you done for **YOU people lately? > > > >Perhaps you should take a lesson from me instead (a mom)... Be nice. > >Use some manners. Call your mother. > > > >Tulsa Suzanne > >-- > >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 04:57:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:42:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Dani Greer Subject: Re: Back-lighting a Panel Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:47:26 +0000 Message-ID: <199812161139.GAA17420@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > And we all just CONTRIBUTE for > free, right Albert? At least I don't > get paid for my time, do you?? Nope. I just try to be helpful when I can, which isn't often. > By the way, the Feng Shui panel on > our web site is back-lit. That's what it says on your web site (now). That'd be a good article for Common Ground: Glass -- the ins and outs, rights and wrongs of backlighting glass installations. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 06:05:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:21:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ED was Re: 1. Thanks/Request Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:13:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.31357.0> Precedence: bulk Well said...I didn't think his response was worthy of an answer...Your response is a winner...I'm responding to you... Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:22 AM Subject: ED was Re: 1. Thanks/Request >> You people just don't get it, do you?! >> >> You're supposed to be there to help -- your reply should have >>>>>addressed my second point, regarding backlighting, instead of trying to make a joke out >> >> of a reasonable, sincere request. > > >Tell you what Ed, This is the biggest joke I have ever seen posted on >Bungi. Maybe I just havent been here long enough. > >Let me address the issues you bring up. Please. > >"You people....dont get it. *You are **supposed** to be here to help!!" > >This just cracks me up. Who is "you people" ? You arent talking to me >are you? lol... SUPPOSED!!??? Sheesh...what a way to **ask** for >help! Just out of curiosity, where did you see that written? > >Ummmm...From what I have seen written about bungi...it was started by >Glenna Rand, who loves glass and made a place for others who love glass >to get together...and address it. I have never seen a place that >said...Dani, Elisabeth, Albert, Howard, Mike, etc......(if I left out >your name...it's just because I cant list all that have helped me so >much here) the glass Gods were ****SUPPOSED*** to help us. Hey Ed, what >have *you done for **YOU people lately? > >Perhaps you should take a lesson from me instead (a mom)... Be nice. >Use some manners. Call your mother. > >Tulsa Suzanne >-- >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 06:35:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:47:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Help with glass selection Date: Wed Dec 16 05:47:04 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.3234.0> Precedence: bulk >shakeel >first of you, you are very welcome for any info i can offer >i will check on shipping those item to you, but like the rest of us, may not >be until after christmas--not only do i run my studio full time, i am a full >time bartender and this is the busy season for both my professions (maybe i >can be the designated bartender when E lisabeth N Toby get here) >as far as the sample boxes, with spectrum it is very helpful, with that >glass being a continuous ribbon, it is very consistant throughout the glass, >so it is consistent with the sample--the sample boxes give you and idea of >color and how they react to the light when you hold them up-- >armstrong is a little different because they have a large variation in the >sheets > >yes, i have the delphi catalog (used to work for a delphi franchise) but i >am also a wholesale buyer with most glass supply companies (including w/c) >in the states > >to order outside of the usa at delphi, call 1-517-394-4631 >their e-mail address is delphigl@voyager.net >fax outside us is 1-517-394-5364 > >also, when you get there catalog, there is usually a coupon in there for 25% >off the first order you place, no matter how much you order > >also, i will usually match delphi prices to my customers--i am only about >320 mile from there store, so shipping from me may not be any better then >from them, i do not take amex, but can work out other arrangements--delphi >does take amex > > >i know one of the guys from W/C lurks on here, i do not have your catalog in >my hand (i am at home)--maybe he can help you out, they have a very nice >line of supplies > >hope this helps >thanx >debbie jo > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shakeel Abedi >To: Debbie Taylor >Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 2:36 AM >Subject: Re: Help with glass selection > > >>Thanks Debbie, for your help. The last time I asked Spectrum for sample I >>was told the shipping would be over $100.00 and I gave up the idea of >>trying to get it. Moreover, they (and many others- I wonde why?) don't >>accept Amex, and that is the only card I have. So there. >> >>Also, my supplier here stocks only Spectrum and Armstrong (again I wonder >>why?). So I guess if I need any other manufacturer I will have to mail >>order. >> >>But are that small size sample glass really helpful? Maybe it is me, but I >>can't seem to get a complete idea of glass from a small piece. That's why I >>buy hobby size sheets first. >> >>I have the Spectrum glass catalog, beautiful isn't it? >> >>Perhaps you could help me, could you find what would be the cost plus >>shipping to Malaysia for the different sample kits? There is one another >>help that I would like to ask of you. Do have the Delphi Stained Glass >>catalog? They have very good pictures of glass in it. I don't the >>manufacturer and name of glass. I could use some advice on some of the >>glass shown there. >> >>Thanks, Debbie. >> >>Shakeel Abedi >>shakeel@tm.net.my >>Shakeel Abedi >>Rainbow Stained Glass >>104, Jalan Mersing >>86000 Kluang >>Malaysia >>Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Debbie Taylor >>To: Shakeel Abedi >>Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 9:06 PM >>Subject: Re: Help with glass selection >> >> >>>shakeel >>>i do not know if this will help you, but you can get some of the sample >>sets >>>directly from the manufacturer (spectrum for sure) the set is $45.00 plus >>>ship/handle---the bullseye sets are the most expensive, but like the >>english >>>muffle set is only $10.00--i am a retail store in cincinnati, ohio---if i >>>can help you get them in any way, let me know and i will see what i can do >>>also, on the web, kokomo and spectrum have a posting of their colors that >>is >>>pretty close--and spectrum has a booklet out with all the colors on it >>that >>>is good--but i will do anything i can if you just e-mail or call me >>> >>>thanx >>>debbie >>>(513) 231-0082 >>>kleeman@one.net >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Shakeel Abedi >>>To: suzy@comcat.com >>>Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 5:23 AM >>>Subject: Re: Help with glass selection >>> >>> >>>>Thanks Suzannah, for your help. I guess I should get the sample kits >>>>myself. But my supplier does not carry it and ordering it by post from >>U.S. >>>>triples the cost. To a small timer like me it is a huge investment. >>>> >>>>I have not yet finalised my drawings, I am still looking around for >>>>pictures of Buddha, and if you have any that you think would be helpful >>>>please send it. >>>> >>>>My idea was to use opals for the picture and cathedral for background. I >>>>was thinking of red wispy for border. And orange robes, with a bit of >>gold >>>>in it as the robe border. I was in for the gold for the earring and am >>>>still not sure what would go best for the face. >>>> >>>>This is the largest panel I have done so far, and am also looking into >>the >>>>reinforcing aspect too. Is there any other way to get a bright gold. Use >>>>some color and fire the glass? >>>> >>>>This panel is going to be inside a Buddhist temple, and I guess there >>will >>>>be a lot of incense and joss sticks burning, would it be a good idea to >>>>encase it between to pieces of clear glass? Cleaning would be much easier >>>>that way. >>>> >>>>Thanks, again Suzannah, I too am very excited with this project. >>>> >>>> >>>>suzy@comcat.com wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi Shakeel, >>>>> >>>>>I'd be happy to help you with glass selection. I have sample kits from >>>>>Spectrum, Kokomo, Wissmach & Yough. >>>>> >>>>>Red is not so abundant as other colors, and pricey. Tell me how you >>>>>envision this Buddha - will he be of opalescent glass (non-see-through), >>>>>or cathedral (see-through)? >>>>> >>>>>4 x 6 is pretty big, so I'm imagining you want the Buddha himself kind >>of >>>>>opal, with the background cathedral to set him off. But you tell me. >>>>> >>>>>I'm excited about your project, have always wanted to make a Buddha >>>>>myself, so let me take your hand... >>>>> >>>>>Suzannah >>>> >>>> >>>>---- >>>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>>> >>> >>> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 06:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:52:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Pawel??!! Date: Wed Dec 16 05:51:55 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.32755.0> Precedence: bulk pawel welcome to the group i love your name (sorry, non glass comments), with such a common name as debbie, i think your name is beautiful have a good time here on the list, we can get a little testy and boring, but also fun and entertaining, also educational i guess we are like kix cereal, don't tell anyone we are good for you...we hide it behind the humor welcome again debbie -----Original Message----- From: Pawel Karaszkiewicz To: B. S. Jones Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 7:22 AM Subject: Odp: Pawel??!! >Thanks for wellcoming words. Bungi seems to be very special thing, >completely different from those professional lists I know - perhaps thank= >s >to the subject. > >hope to be in touch sometimes > >All the best > >Pawel > >-----Wiadomo=B6=E6 orginalna----- >Od: B. S. Jones >Do: Pawel Karaszkiewicz >Data: 16 grudnia 1998 11:07 >Temat: RE: Pawel??!! > > >> >>Wellcome to Bungi Pawel, I am one of the several > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 07:07:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:00:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: warner-criv.com!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: "Sandra I Gustafson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: One more question. Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:46:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.34619.0> Precedence: bulk Sandy: >Thanks Dani, for answering my questions. There is one more that I would >like to ask you. Does your pattern have to be transparent too? The pattern should be drawn on as translucent a paper as possible. Don't go too thin however, a pattern has to stand up to a lot of abuse. Experiment with light. I always cut on the light table because it was an easily moved stand alone work area at the correct height for that one task. The amount of background light would effect how well pattern lines could be seen. If glass was very dense I would move into the closet and turn off all background lighting. If this trick does not work; place your glass on a work surface, put a sheet of carbon paper on top (carbon side down), place your pattern on top. Dry oil from your cutter, then using your cutter trace around your piece. In all cases except black glass, this will transfer the shape onto the glass and it will then be easy to cut out. Another use for a light table is to get a rough idea of how a panel will look. When cutting I would lay out the cut pieces on an appropriate sized piece of clear glass. This could easily be moved onto the light table for viewing or out of the way. This eliminated two things; 1) an additional full-size copy of the pattern or the wasted time to pick the pieces of cut glass out of a box at the assembly stage. Nobody is lazier then me! My light table was 30-1/2" high. Height is important because it is less tiring to cut if your arm is fully extended when cutting. This table is now in our glass warehouse if anyone wants to see a fancy light table. You may have seen it during our show GlassVisions ( http://www.glassvisions.com/ ) Julie from Uroborus used it to display their glass. It is a 24" x 48" x 16"? box that fits onto a 2' x 4' cart made from standard shelving components. The height is adjusted by changing the shelf brackets the box rests on. Yes it does have wheels, I put wheels on everything, one day I even put tripod furniture moving wheels on my wife, you know, b____-on-wheels, oh well, she didn't get the humor either. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com/ over 5,000 products available on-line in our shopping basket. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 07:39:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:39:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:27:38 +0000 Message-ID: <199812161436.OAA16748@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Boom lifts, Dani????? E 'n T in UK (who is still waiting to hear if I can come sweep the floor in your studio for a day....) > Ah, but I *did read that NG message and > am now laughing all the way to the bank!! > > ;-) > > Greer Gallery & Studios > Who will not rent scaffolding again because boom lifts are worth every > cent!! ;-) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 08:08:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:10:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel (NG Reply) Date: Wed Dec 16 07:10:07 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.4467.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2904.A11932C6 Content-Type: text/plain I hate to disagree with Tulsa Suzanne, Elizabeth (Please don't sick Toby on me!! I have a wife and child and want another...) and the others but Ed is right in thinking that we are here to help. What impressed me about this group was their willingness to help and share what they have learned. What, IMHO, ED is missing is that the help is not limited to technical glass questions. This is as much a therapy group for glass addicts as it is a help line. Where else can you find someone who understands the frustrations and challenges of glass. When I have problems with a cut my wife and friends don't have a clue; but everyone of you out there understands how frustrating it can become. It is nice to know that you are available to vent to and that some sympathy, along with good natured laughter and criticism, will be coming to my E-mail box. Did anyone else enjoy the postings from a slightly crazed Oklahoman (?) getting ready for her first show. Or the pride in hearing about a pattern being offered for sale by one of us. Or even a guide for teaching glass written by one of our own. Sometimes the vicarious thrills are fun too. Sometimes the messages trigger memories, both fond and not so fond. Ed is also missing that we are not at each others beck and call. We give what we can when we can. It is for each of us to decided what help we can offer and when. In some ways this group is like a newspaper or magazine; you may not agree with all that is written there but you cannot just get the articles you want. I think the only rule I have heard about the content of this list is: Thou shalt not publicly flame others. I'll get off the soapbox now. Vic For those who have trouble replying to me directly I'm vmodiano@ctronsoft.com ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2904.A11932C6 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel (NG = Reply)

I hate to disagree with Tulsa Suzanne, Elizabeth = (Please don't sick Toby on me!! I have a wife and child and want = another...) and the others but Ed is right in thinking that we are here = to help.  What impressed me about this group was their willingness = to help and share what they have learned.

What, IMHO, ED is missing is that the help is not = limited to technical glass questions.
This is as much a therapy group for glass addicts as = it is a help line. Where else can you find someone who understands the = frustrations and challenges of glass. When I have problems with a cut = my wife and friends don't have a clue; but everyone of you out there = understands how frustrating it can become. It is nice to know that you = are available to vent to and that some sympathy, along with good = natured laughter and criticism, will be coming to my E-mail box. =

Did anyone else enjoy the postings from a slightly = crazed Oklahoman (?) getting ready for her first show. Or the pride in = hearing about a pattern being offered for sale by one of us. Or even a = guide for teaching glass written by one of our own. Sometimes the = vicarious thrills are fun too. Sometimes the messages trigger memories, = both fond and not so fond.

Ed is also missing that we are not at each others = beck and call. We give what we can when we can. It is for each of us to = decided what help we can offer and when.

In some ways this group is like a newspaper or = magazine; you may not agree with all that is written there but you = cannot just get the articles you want. I think the only rule I have = heard about the content of this list is: Thou shalt not publicly flame = others.

I'll get off the soapbox now.

Vic

For those who have trouble replying to me directly = I'm vmodiano@ctronsoft.com

  

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2904.A11932C6-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 08:40:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:08:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dream Workshop. Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:07:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.6723.0> References: <<1998Dec16.2721.0>> Precedence: bulk mschatee@juno.com wrote: > > Okay since you are nagging people for input on the workshops I figured I > would come out of lurkerdom to give my 2 cents. > A water source, preferably a large sink (which my workshop does not have) > so one doesn't have to schlep water for their grinder. Also a place to > dump the gooey water from the grinder without having to carry it > anywhere, I always spill it! > > That's on my wish list for my dream workshop and of course everything > else everyone told you too. > Mike's certainly would make me happy! > > OK back to lurking now, I took the night off from making Christmas > presents. > > Caren > that's funny, i've always wished it was bigger. and have a better layout, i have to move around too much to do anything. cut, walk to the grinder, fit, does'nt fit right, walk to the grinder again and so on. now it fits, walk to the sink, wash it off, walk to the chair in another room. foil the glass in front of the tv, walk to back to the bench, and fit foiled pieces. if i had to redesign my shop, i'd place a sink directly behind me, and set up my most used grinders and saws there also. at the end would be a small tv, and the foiling area. with that small improvement i could sped up production by at least 50%. most of that time is either walking to a new spot, or tiredness from doing that in the first place. the other thing is more glass storage. i never imagined that i'd have this much glass. about 6 years ago i did'nt. i just found sales here and there and now i have no room left. the sheets are small 8x12 - 12x16 and they're all in milk crate boxes. i have about 25 of these things stacked up, most of them completly full of glass, do you know how heavy that is to lift? it's very heavy, especially when i have to lift it up sideways, since i only have 12" free space to move. i also have larger sheets 15x20 - 20x30" i have almost no space for that size at all. so i have to be very picky of what i get and where it will go. of course that won't stop me from getting it, i'll find a place. currently my largest sheets fit into a wood box thing i built to protect it. but i'm rapidly running out of space. and i now have to think of more clever ways to hide the glass... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 09:16:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:27:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NON-GLASS Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.62431.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all my bungi buds! Just slammed through the emails warp speed and will answer mail later in the week. Am off to the church installation again! Should be finished Thursday night. Yes, Elisabeth, boom lift!! Will fill you in later. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 09:39:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:27:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:27:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.6273.0> References: <<1998Dec16.19191.0>> Precedence: bulk Shakeel Abedi wrote: > > >How close are the people going to be able to get to the picture? If it is > >going to be higher up....you might want to go with a deeper shade so that > the > >colors don't fade out. > > The panel is going to be right after the front door, fixed to a two feet > high cement platform and in a iron frame. The frame will be made after the > panel is complete so I won't have to worry about the panel growing a bit. I > have still not decided on the lighting for it, and I guess I will leave it > to the last. > > Thanks for the advice, Margie. > > Shakeel Abedi > shakeel@tm.net.my > Shakeel Abedi > Rainbow Stained Glass > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Malaysia > Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 > >What I am trying to say is the farer away something is....the lighter it > >looks. > > > >Margie > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's best to decide on the lighting now, or the colors may not look right later on. some glass will only look good in certain types of light. if it's an exterior window you may not want a lot of clears, (peeping toms). or if it's not the sunny side of the house, all dark colors may not show up at all... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 09:45:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:27:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NON-GLASS Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.62431.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all my bungi buds! Just slammed through the emails warp speed and will answer mail later in the week. Am off to the church installation again! Should be finished Thursday night. Yes, Elisabeth, boom lift!! Will fill you in later. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 10:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:09:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:14:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199812161605.LAA19729@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Boom lifts, Dani????? My sentiments exactly. I had to photograph windows at the Pennsylvania Statehouse a few years ago and they used a boom lift that raised me up to the level of the rondels in the dome. I couldn't even take my hands off the rail, let alone take any pictures. I guess I'm petrified of heights. They brought me back down and I did the photography from the floor with long lenses (thank heavens!). Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 11:39:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:54:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "glass bungi com" Subject: Eljay's 3 legged Work Bench!! Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: <199812161853.NAA22232@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Eljay's break time, from throwing stuff around the garage, determined to get my work area/studio redone, this will be the second attempt. I have already had 3 people stop and ask if I was having a garage sale. "Nope, just cleaning the garage out" I said. I have cut the legs off the work bench and it went pretty well...... until I did the 4th leg. Ok, so now I have a nice 3 legged work bench. With a little piece of wood we are back on track. The 30" height is perfect. I will head out this afternoon to get the sheet of Homasote to put on top. I am also going to get some shelves up to put my blue prints and patterns. I am really jazzed, this time it is going to be the way I want it, not elaborate but just not a work bench for tennis shoes and yard implements to be dumped on, on the way into the house. This is away, and will just be my own private area. Thanks guys for the encouragement. Sheet rock screws.....I won't forget.... I sure hope I can find someone at the local hardware store that knows them, I know I would pick the wrong ones. The window I am working on is off sitting on the back of my car (the table is coming tonight for me to use as an additional work area) with saw dust all over it. Oh well. The price of progress... Hugs,(Eljay) Linda Jo Jacksonville, Florida ICQ uin 5072431 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 12:12:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:23:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sorry Ed Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:22:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec16.3223.0> References: <<1998Dec15.1821.0>> Precedence: bulk Bravo, Carol! Peggy On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Carol Tombro wrote: > Ed, > > Ask not what bungi can do for you, ask what you can do for bungi. > > Carol T > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crispy and good > with ketchup. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 13:08:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:16:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mymerchantaccount.com!sales From: "sales@equipmentresource.com" To: Friend@public.com Subject: Equipment Resource: December Equipment Update Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 13:23:17 EST Message-ID: <199812161953.DAA04497@maesgi.mae.cuhk.edu.hk> Precedence: bulk EQUIPMENT RESOURCE Ph:303-451-8022 Fax:303-451-8747 11184 Huron Ste.12 Northglenn, CO 80234 Equipment Resource wishes you a Happy Holiday! What better way to get ready for a prosperous New Year than to Accelerate Assembly. Increase production floor space by selling your surplus, or add a link on our web site to increase sales. (click on the http links to view equipment. You must be online.) Equipment Resource presents it’s top 10 list to increase production and save money! 1.Westek Formula III Plus. Inline Aqueous Cleaner. Great cleaner, Great Condition. 2.Eubanks 2700 -IV. Wire cut/strip system. With TAB wire marker. Beautiful Shape. 3.Watkins Johnson 18-SMD. Reflow oven. Edge Rail, N2O. Convection. Nice Shape, Nice Price. 4.Quad 100 Pick and Place Systems. Several available. Great start up system. http://www.equipmentresource.com/quad_100_pick.htm 5.Unit Design MDS 100. Drag Solder System. Rebuilt from the frame up. Warranty available. http://www.equipmentresource.com/images/UDMDS.jpg 6.Hepco 8000-1. Axial Cut and Form. Tape feed. 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Thank you all; buyers and sellers, friends old and new, and inquirers too for your business and support all thru the year of 1998. We send our sincere wish for a prosperous business year with good health and much happiness to each of you. Sincerely, All of us at Equipment Resource. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 15:45:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:54:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Backlighting Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:53:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.125321.0> Precedence: bulk Now, I know NOTHING about this subject, but...I was talking to Robert Oddy last summer about the Tiffany in the Syracuse Art Museum. He said that when they exhibited some of his work, he asked if he could see the back of the Tiffany. One of things he wanted to know was how they constructed the light box. And he showed up a Glass Visions with a window in a box. He might know something about it. (Ed, search for his webpage. I don't have it bookmarked, but it's easy to find.) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 16:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:57:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: "Charles Warner" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:29:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.62945.0> Precedence: bulk >>>Thanks Debbie, for your help. The last time I asked Spectrum for sample I >>>was told the shipping would be over $100.00 and I gave up the idea of >>>trying to get it. Moreover, they (and many others- I wonde why?) don't >>>accept Amex, and that is the only card I have. So there. I remember seeing a glass search by color showing samples at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ Of course you can order glass from the W-C site and we also have pictures of the glass. On the W-C site it is helpful if you know the manufacturers glass you are interested in. Charles Warner http://www.warner-criv.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 16:59:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:57:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: edupjohn@slonet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creating Creative Castings for Christmas Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:46:23 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec16.234623.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/15/98 7:22:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, edupjohn@slonet.org writes: << JJKIRBY: You said without the sand trick the nine pieces wouldn't have gone together as nice??? Tell us about the sand trick. I apparently missed out on something. Thanks, Peggy >> The Sand Trick Story In the past, I made dragon with a brass casting. Positioning the wings and getting them secure was quite difficult. I distinctly remember picking up the brass casting after heating it up good with my soldering iron. Needless to say, I had bad memories of dragons. However I got an order for one at my last craft show, so I ordered a couple. When they arrived, I noticed "Screamin Demon" came in nine pieces. So I decided to query the Bungians on how to put the critter together. Here are some of the very useful tips I got: 1. Position the pieces in wet sand prior to soldering them together. (the Sand Trick) 2. Use the third hand gizmo. (all so very useful) 3. Keep a damp cloth handy... (for picking up the piece) 4. Solder wire on to the casting, use this wire to attach and re inforce the wings. 5. Mold the wings over a coffee can to add a nice, curved sweep. Couple more things I learned: Altho the instructions say to, do NOT patina until your dragon is completely assembled. I did patina one dragon and the solder didn't want to stick at all, until I Dremelled completely away. You can use the wet sand to mold a curve to your wings. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 17:21:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:58:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Backlighting Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.135743.0> References: <<1998Dec16.125321.0>> Precedence: bulk Family Account wrote: > > Now, I know NOTHING about this subject, but...I was talking to Robert > Oddy last summer about the Tiffany in the Syracuse Art Museum. He said > that when they exhibited some of his work, he asked if he could see the > back of the Tiffany. One of things he wanted to know was how they > constructed the light box. And he showed up a Glass Visions with a > window in a box. He might know something about it. (Ed, search for his > webpage. I don't have it bookmarked, but it's easy to find.) > > Dorothy K > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass he should be on my links page 2 under panels. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 18:11:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:12:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: stained glass news Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:25:47 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.172547.0> Precedence: bulk Guys, Haven't heard anyhting about "Stained Glass News". The last issue I got was No 41. Are there there any new ones out? Thanks Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 18:38:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:25:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:25:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.13252.0> Precedence: bulk Back after the holidays. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 18:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:27:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Dani Greer" , "all" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NON-GLASS Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:25:47 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.132547.0> Precedence: bulk Yes, yes, a boom lift. No, no, not a bun lift or if your from UK no, no, not a fanny lift. (8-) Oooops humor again ...... Damn ........Oh frit cursing again. -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: all Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:38 AM Subject: NON-GLASS >Hi all my bungi buds! > >Just slammed through the emails >warp speed and will answer mail >later in the week. Am off to the >church installation again! Should >be finished Thursday night. Yes, >Elisabeth, boom lift!! Will fill you >in later. > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 18:57:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:34:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Let's get Ed Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:41:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.134135.0> References: <<199812160812.DAA10720@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Bob, I dont consider this a flame, so hope you dont as well. I think you made a very good and valid point about different cultures and how they are percieved and this is an international list. You may or may not have been referring to my email, I dont know, since you didnt directly quote me, but I did refer to manners,so perhaps you meant me when you said... > The posts that addressed Ed's questions on list > were outweighed about ten to one by us trying to present our > "superior" manners without any attempt to address his SG problem. To clarify, I was not saying I had/have superior manners, but I do think it is good advice to "Be nice, use manners, respect etc.." I do feel that I am more qualified to offer that advice, whether from my educational background, history as probation officer or social worker, or as a mom, Than to attempt to address his stained glass problem. I was not qualified to answer that. (how's that for a long sentence?) > I doubt very much that several of the worst degrading posts would > have been made to Ed's face. I cant imagine that you are referring to my post here as I honestly dont think any part of it was degrading. If it was, please point it out to me and I will apologise, because I dont intend to degrade anyone. I think my response to his email was pretty straight forward...and I stand by it...and *would* have said it to Ed in person, had we been in person. I think we are all deserving of respect. Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 19:00:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:04:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "all" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Definately SG Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:03:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.14322.0> Precedence: bulk To Whom It May Concern: We have the collective living genius of the stained glass world literally at our finger tips. From beginners that bring us new prospectives from other areas that we can adapt, to the pros, wholesalers, retailers, hobbiest, and to the just curious members. We are from and of the world. We bring our feelings, cultures, moods, and knowledge together to form a group called Bungi. This is such a diverse group of artisans that I feel proud to be a member. In the time I have been associated with this collection of amazing people, we have had births and deaths, hurricanes, extreme illnesses of members and families, and all manner of lifes' tragedies. Not once did I ever hear someone fail to say "I'll help", even if it was only possible for moral support. On the contrary, members have volunteered to drive hundreds of miles to assist other members in distress, contact each other when they were lonely or bedridden, worry about other members during natural disasters, send greetings on holidays and special occasions, and in general care for each other even though we may have never met. We cheer our fellow members when they are about to embark on a new adventure and console them when it doesn't turn out as expected. What (IMHO) we are ...... People. What we are not .... a Reference Book An excellent reference book is available for about $225 US. IGGA has more on the subject. Some days are tragic and some days are magic. PS Sorry, if no humor ...... I'll do better next time. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 19:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:06:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: pkelly@n-link.com (Pat Kelly), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: sorry, I do not know it all Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:05:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec16.16519.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I promise, afer the Chrisrtmas RUSH, it will be coming, I know how much a Borzoi can hunt and get what they want, I do not want to subject you to an English Sheepdog. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 19:16:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:47:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Shakeel Abedi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:46:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.154651.0> Precedence: bulk Shakeel- Don't forget to use the IGGA Sources Guide!! HiGlass is listed... has email and a web site. rdeint@st.com.au http://www.wt.com.au/~rdeint/higlass.htm Harald Reiss used to be a bungian but I think he's dropped off the list. There's an article about them in the 98 Spring edition of Common Ground:Glass. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 19:31:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:13:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: pkelly@n-link.com (Pat Kelly), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: sorry, I do not know it all Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:13:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec16.16138.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk okay, you got me.. soon. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 19:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:48:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Boom Lifts Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:46:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.154645.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Albert, Elisabeth, pj, et al! Yes, boom lifts. And here's why they're worth $250 a day to rent: It tooks us over two weeks to clean, pull broken panels, and cover with temporary plastic the twenty-two church windows we're repairing. It's taking us three days to remove plastic, re-install repaired panels, and give 'em another once over!! And, a whole lot less wear and tear on the body! The only problem is you have "lift legs" at the end of the day... ask Carol Swann what that is!! Really, had I known two months ago what a treat this was, we would have rented the thing at the front end, too. Albert, you cannot do church windows if you're afraid of heights!! We did have a couple of little incidents today. Once when Michael buried the nose into the sod and another time when he lowered the basket into the new air conditioner casement. Oopsie. He was getting a little cocky with the equipment. Finally (and Carol, you'll love this!) it's the ultimate for serious dumpster-diving. We moved that = thing over the construction dumpster and retrieved several wonderful wooden boxes that contained the new organ pipes. Nice wood. One is destined to become a new Arts & Crafts style coffee table. So we're crazy artists... what can I say??!! Best, Dani = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 19:44:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:34:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: gecko@ipa.net (Blake, Wayne, & Susa-n), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: diamond drill bits for glass Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:33:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec16.163310.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I Agree with you.This evening placed an order for their bits without a catalog... I thought it would be nice to have a bit around 1/4 inch. I recieved a phone call back(western area to Pittsburgh) sayiing that it was over $34. . Yes. I did not order one, but he could have placed the order agaist my charge.. Dana, thank you for such a considerate supplier. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 20:15:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:21:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Definately SG Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:29:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.152914.0> References: <<1998Dec16.14322.0>> Precedence: bulk Gosh Patrick...that one's worth framin! ;o) And it's all the truth! Did you know that when I was getting ready for that dumb show I was so stressed about people offered to ship some of their display stuff to me? Pretty cool, eh? Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 22:16:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:39:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-Secret for Ed, Alberts Attitude & Trademark info Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:34:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.133441.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk Hi All, Yes I'm still reading about Trademarks :) Hate to turn the thread off of Ed, Pat's tutu (You should see it backlit) or the baklava which I'm planning on making thanks. Oh by the way Ed, I used to think some people here were real pains. Let's mention Albert shall we. I come from the Pacific Northwest, where we do have manners, ride horseback and dress up in indian warpaint. We think of all Eastern people as gruff, unpolite, uppity and downright mean. Boy did I have the wrong impression of Eastern people and humans in general. Oh yes, Albert. Well a little secret here for you Ed. The first month I was at bungi I thought Albert was a real pain. Too bold, too honest in his opinions. It didn't take me long to gain the utmost respect for him as a human, man, teacher, philosopher, designer etc. I love his too bold opinions, his honesty because that is what I need to hear and that is what you will get from Albert. Who would I privately e-mail for important advice? Who do I think of first for advice?? Albert. He's blushing now, grab a cold compress Albert. He doesn't mix words and he won't give you any Bulls**t. Same goes for some others here with the same demeanor. Howard comes to mind here too. Howard doesn't mess around, he gets down to business and stays with glass. That's fine with me. He's also an accomplished glass artist whom I respect as well. You hear through the grapevine usually the accomplishments of the professionals at bungi. You may read it in a bio or it may just pop up in conversation. Most bungians do not have massive egos to share. That is what I like about bungi. I don't need an ego, I've got a 12 year old here at home with one. What I'm privileged to receive at bungi is everything Patrick so eloquently wrote about bungi. Well said Patrick. Ed, welcome. You have created a thread here that has been inspiring actually and I can't thank you enough. It's been positive. Trademark info from a lawyer friend was passed my way. Here is some interesting reading to keep you occupado. http://www.uspto.gov/web/menu/tm.html http://www.inta.org/tmbasics.htm http://www.ggmark.com:80/#Need http://law.house.gov/327.htm http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/trademark.html Pam *sm* (Who's off to grab that glass of wine & enjoy that backlit pic Patrick just sent my way!) -- ********************************* The Stained Glass Artists Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director: Advertising & Marketing Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 16 23:46:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:54:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Boom Lifts Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:30:47 -0800 Message-ID: <199812170530.VAA04478@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Albert, Elisabeth, pj, et al! > >Yes, boom lifts. And here's why >they're worth $250 a day to rent: >It tooks us over two weeks to clean, >pull broken panels, and cover with >temporary plastic the twenty-two >church windows we're repairing. >It's taking us three days to remove >plastic, re-install repaired panels, >and give 'em another once over!! >And, a whole lot less wear and tear >on the body! The only problem is >you have "lift legs" at the end of the >day... ask Carol Swann what that is!! >Really, had I known two months ago >what a treat this was, we would have >rented the thing at the front end, too. >Albert, you cannot do church windows >if you're afraid of heights!! > >We did have a couple of little incidents >today. Once when Michael buried the >nose into the sod and another time >when he lowered the basket into the >new air conditioner casement. Oopsie. >He was getting a little cocky with the >equipment. Finally (and Carol, you'll >love this!) it's the ultimate for serious >dumpster-diving. We moved that = > >thing over the construction dumpster >and retrieved several wonderful wooden >boxes that contained the new organ >pipes. Nice wood. One is destined >to become a new Arts & Crafts style >coffee table. > Good grief...the ultimate in dumpster diving tools...too bad I never thought of that!! Of course there was no good dumpster diving on the docks...only fish, fish and more holds full of fish to empty. By the way, who got to play with it...you or Michael...last I heard the jury was out on that :) The most creative thing I ever used a crane truck/hiab unit for was to move a massive piece of driftwood off a beach to bring home for my driveway...and don't ask about how long it took to get the crane truck unstuck from the loose sand :( it's that vibration that'll get ya every time. Suffice it to say that the cable winch on the end of the boom can really come in handy for self towing. Hmm, need to talk about stained glass here so this can be a sg post...have never had the opportunity/need yet to install a panel that large, although I regularly have to hire/cajole/enlist help of friends and associates for helping to install the larger stuff I do. Would use a crane truck in a heartbeat for moving ginormous panels...I'm surprised they're not used regularly by the pros. Carol PS I was eyeing up a scissors jack that conference center personnel were using to change a lightbulb during setup for one of my Christmas shows. Anybody ever used those for installation on second floor windows? They seem like they'd be the cat's ass, since crane trucks will allow the window to dangle and swing on the end of the boom (not good on windy days) while the scissor jack has a stable platform that could double as scaffolding. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 00:48:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:57:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Switching off for a while Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:06:48 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.0648.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, Am going out for a for a few days. And my wife is adamant that I leave my notebook behind. So I will reply only after I return on Wednesday. But keep the mail flowing. And Glenna please don't unsubscribe me. My server should be able to handle a few days mail. Shakeel Abedi shakeel@tm.net.my Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 01:01:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:10:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "Jill Medlyn" To: "Toby" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:09:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec16.22935.0> Precedence: bulk I kinda thought it would be a shimmer pale pink...definitely Satin...to shine with his classy tiara -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:53 PM Subject: NON SG - tutu >Well, >Pale pink of course!! >E 'n T in UK > >> Just curious-what color is Patricks TuTu? Linda >> ---- >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 04:18:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:34:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'CncptThnkr@aol.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Mylar Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:34:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.13447.0> Precedence: bulk Pat, Yes, I'd try harder to find the mylar that is shiney on one side, not just for the reason you said but also because it is less expensive that that which is matt on both sides. Linda I get my mylar at a drafting supplier, used to be able to get nice thick stuff that was matte finish on one side and shiny on the other (that helped in remembering the front and back of the patterns) can't find it anymore. If you need me to go and look for some thicker mylar for you let me know. Pat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 05:21:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:33:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: trademark info Date: Thu Dec 17 04:32:33 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.2833.0> Precedence: bulk >about the trademark and copyright info >there is a chapter in the book This Business of GLass--haven't had a chance >to read it and i know the book is a couple years old (at least mine is) but >it might have some info you can use >thanx >debbie > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 05:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:49:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: Jill Medlyn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.2507.0> References: <<1998Dec16.22935.0>> Precedence: bulk I Thought Patrick would be wearing "Emerald Green" Jill Medlyn wrote: > > I kinda thought it would be a shimmer pale pink...definitely Satin...to > shine with his classy tiara > -----Original Message----- > From: Toby > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:53 PM > Subject: NON SG - tutu > > >Well, > >Pale pink of course!! > >E 'n T in UK > > > >> Just curious-what color is Patricks TuTu? Linda > >> ---- > >---- > >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > >---- > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 06:51:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:03:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Boom Lifts Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:01:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.4144.0> Precedence: bulk Morning Carol, >Hmm, need to talk about stained glass here so this can be a sg post...have >never had the opportunity/need yet to install a panel that large, although I >regularly have to hire/cajole/enlist help of friends and associates for >helping to install the larger stuff I do. Would use a crane truck in a >heartbeat for moving ginormous panels...I'm surprised they're not used >regularly by the pros. >. The problem with the boom lifts is that they are great for one or two persons working at a site. But when you get a team out to do a restoration it really gets cost prohibitive. The other downside is that when you are doing new installation and are working on the inside.......people get funny about wheeling those big things all over their carpet. We have used cranes to hoist large panels that couldn't possibly be carried. But for some reason clients don't get real excited when they see you coming with a boom lift in tow. my best, pj (who wishes they had easy up scaffolding....would make life so much easier) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 07:52:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:11:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: NON SG - tutu (NG) Date: Thu Dec 17 07:10:14 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.44614.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE29CD.3C1DA3C4 Content-Type: text/plain I think it is ludicrous to think Patrick has only one stained glass tutu. What would he wear while it is being cleaned? ( I can not/will not picture him in just a tiara.) He is also a very correct person. This time of year he would be wearing a red and green or blue and white tutu. The color depending on who he is dancing for this week. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Jill Medlyn [mailto:jazzykid@tir.com] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:10 AM To: Toby; glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu I kinda thought it would be a shimmer pale pink...definitely Satin...to shine with his classy tiara -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:53 PM Subject: NON SG - tutu >Well, >Pale pink of course!! >E 'n T in UK > >> Just curious-what color is Patricks TuTu? Linda >> ---- >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE29CD.3C1DA3C4 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NON SG - tutu (NG)

I think it is ludicrous to think Patrick has only one = stained glass tutu. What
would he wear while it is being cleaned? ( I can = not/will not picture him in just a tiara.)

He is also a very correct person. This time of year = he would be wearing a red and green
or blue and white tutu. The color depending on who = he is dancing for this week.

Vic

-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Medlyn [mailto:jazzykid@tir.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:10 AM
To: Toby; glass@bungi.com
Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu


I kinda thought it would be a shimmer pale = pink...definitely Satin...to
shine with his classy tiara
-----Original Message-----
From: Toby <toby@northlights.co.uk>
To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:53 PM
Subject: NON SG - tutu


>Well,
>Pale pink of course!!
>E 'n T in UK
>
>> Just curious-what color is Patricks = TuTu?   Linda
>> ----
>----
>As my grandmother said "...there is only = nobility of mind"
>North Lights Stained Glass - homepage
>http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.= htm
>----
>----
>For subscription changes, please mail to: = glass-request@bungi.com
>To send to the = list,      please mail to: = glass@bungi.com
>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass
>

----
For subscription changes, please mail to: = glass-request@bungi.com
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------ =_NextPart_001_01BE29CD.3C1DA3C4-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 08:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:43:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Non glass related posts Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:47:58 -0500 Message-ID: <19981217154324.HJNO19255@vic> Precedence: bulk I would like to add my $.02 to this thread regarding Ed's feelings about Non Glass asides. I question his tact and attitude but not his feelings. In fact I agree with him on one thing and that is, posts not related to glass be appropriately marked. That would serve to give those not interested or those that don't have the time, the opportunity to bypass, delete or screen those posts. It has been frustrating to me also, especially when a serious glass query's "subject line" has been forwarded but the content is far afield. I don't feel that there is any obligation or responsibility on the part of anyone in this group to give advice, especially if they don't want to. However, the expectation is there when novices are inter-mixed with professionals in a common venue. What is the buzzword of the 90's, ah yes "Mentors" that's it. There is an opportunity with a group like this to perpetuate a craft and art into the future or it can become a singularly social club. It can be frustrating to those not part of the levity to have to wade through multiple posts, inappropriately marked, with the expectation of learning about glass, only to then find a thread that is un-related. I want to thank those that have taken the time to answer my questions and also say that I have gleaned a lot of valuable information related to glass, either directly or from perusal, from a lot of the people in this group. I have found most members are willing to give assistance and answer questions when and if they can. Just so you realize that I am not ALL business, I have posted the following guidelines to assist them like me, too, when posting in the future use this stuff to ascyst for those & them out their to achieve understanding with using exsellant speling, grammer, & puncuation!!! : 1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects. 2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with. 3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. 4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive. 5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat) 6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration. 7. Be more or less specific. 8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. 9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies. 10. No sentence fragments. 11. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used. 12. Foreign words and phrases are not apropos. 13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous. 14. One should NEVER generalize. 15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches. 16. Don't use no double negatives. 17. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc. 18. One-word sentences? Eliminate. 19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. 20. The passive voice is to be ignored. 21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words however should be enclosed in commas. 22. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice. 23. Kill all exclamation points!!! 24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them. 25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth shaking ideas. 26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed. 27. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations.Tell me what you know." 28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a thousand times: Resist hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly. 29. Puns are for children, not groan readers. 30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms. 31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed. 32. Who needs rhetorical questions? 33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 09:27:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:19:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199812171618.IAA04937@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk My thoughts precisley...with the addition of PINK POKADOTS???? Cindy:) > >I Thought Patrick would be wearing "Emerald Green" > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 09:57:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:30:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Boom Lifts Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:28:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.6283.0> Precedence: bulk We use scissor jacks for installs, yes. In fact, used them on the inside of = this church job. However, they're not all-terrain so couldn't use them outside. These windows aren't particularly large, but they're high up and installed from the outside. The outside was newly sodded, so couldn't put heavy = equipment out there... thus the boom. The scissor lifts feel about the same as the boom, and fewer controls. You could handle one in your sleep, Carol. By the way, this new boom we're using has a large platform like the scissor jack - the whole boom rotates 360 degrees, the platform swivels, tilts in all directions, you can maneuver like nobody's business!! I want one! (A mere $130,000 with computer!) Plus, they're really little, not at all like they used to be. Back to work! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 11:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:49:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: ???Studio pixs gallery?? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:53:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.15352.0> References: <<1998Dec15.152630.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I too am working on a studio(in progress for years now). What about a collective site with pixs of our studios. Something like our art gallery and then add that to the achives. Is that possible? I would offer to do it, but getting email is the limit of my computer esperitise. Shirley B Byron Wells wrote: > > Thanks for all the shop ideas folks... My ISP's mail server fried and I > didnt get all the replies but I just read them all in the archives... > > Lots of electrical will be no problem since my day job is an electrician > anyway... Lots of other good stuff the replies also which I've written down > and will be adding... Hopefully I'll be starting the shop in Feb and finish > mar/apr or so... I'll post pix when I'm done... Might even get my web site > up by then to put the pix on... > > Byron... > Wells Glassworks > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 11:35:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:50:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:52:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.15259.0> References: <<1998Dec16.20255.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I am not sure if you are referring to the boxes of glass samples, from each maker of glass. There are more than 100 and each is 3"X3". If you are taking about spectrum, then 3"sq. will give you a good idea. But I have ordered 3 times from bull's eye and the 12"X12" sq looked nothing like the sample. So for at least bull's eye, I would not recommend the expense of their sample box. I would suspect you may have the same problem with Armstrong, wissmach and You(you fill in the rest). Shirley B Shakeel Abedi wrote: > > Rachel, > > You mention about the disappointing size of the sample glass. I was just > talking to Debbie about. Whether they were really useful. I remember I > wanted to use Australian made Hi-Glass once and a friend happened to bring > me some pieces from Australia and I could not really imagine what they > would really look like in larger size. I have just e-mailed Hi-Glass for > one sheet each of their glass, hope they reply soon, and I sure hope they > have the colors. > > Actually scrap exchange is a wonderful idea, but the problem is most of the > guys at Bungi won't accept even the postage, and I know postage > (international) specially heavy items is quite high. And that makes me > reluctant to make any such request. > > Thanks for the help, keep in touch. > > Shakeel Abedi > shakeel@tm.net.my > Shakeel Abedi > Rainbow Stained Glass > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Malaysia > Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rachel Ammann > To: Shakeel Abedi > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: Help with glass selection > > >I bought some sample sets a few years ago, and regret > >having done so. > > > >They are wonderful for picking cathedral glasses since > >they are pretty much the same color every time, on > >every sheet. > > > >But, they are very disappointing for opalescent/wispy > >pieces. I had a sample of one glass that was reddish > >with a little yellow. I ordered a piece of the glass > >and it was yellow with a little red. Even 4 in x 6 in > >samples are too small to be representative of fancy > >opalescents. > > > >The sample sets weigh a ton. You have to keep them in > >reinforced boxes. And they are a problem to move. You > >have to wrap every piece or they will get broken during > >shipment. > > > >Each manufacturer has a different size for samples. > >Some are 3 in x 5 in, some are 1.5 in x 3 in. > > > >I've seen stores with samples of all manufacturers in > >light box displays. These are custom cut all the same > >size, not bought as sample sets. > > > >What I found is useful is to exchange scraps of glass > >with friends. People are usually willing to give away > >scraps, and the pieces are smaller (weigh less). You > >might ask if people on the web are willing to send you > >some scraps. > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 11:40:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:33:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu (NG) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:37:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.23716.0> References: <<1998Dec18.44614.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk This is all I get from your posts. I have netscape if that is any help. I tried to post you, but got undeliverable window. So posted to the group. Shirley B daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano wrote: -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 13:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:50:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Help with glass selection Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:52:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.15259.0> References: <<1998Dec16.20255.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I am not sure if you are referring to the boxes of glass samples, from each maker of glass. There are more than 100 and each is 3"X3". If you are taking about spectrum, then 3"sq. will give you a good idea. But I have ordered 3 times from bull's eye and the 12"X12" sq looked nothing like the sample. So for at least bull's eye, I would not recommend the expense of their sample box. I would suspect you may have the same problem with Armstrong, wissmach and You(you fill in the rest). Shirley B Shakeel Abedi wrote: > > Rachel, > > You mention about the disappointing size of the sample glass. I was just > talking to Debbie about. Whether they were really useful. I remember I > wanted to use Australian made Hi-Glass once and a friend happened to bring > me some pieces from Australia and I could not really imagine what they > would really look like in larger size. I have just e-mailed Hi-Glass for > one sheet each of their glass, hope they reply soon, and I sure hope they > have the colors. > > Actually scrap exchange is a wonderful idea, but the problem is most of the > guys at Bungi won't accept even the postage, and I know postage > (international) specially heavy items is quite high. And that makes me > reluctant to make any such request. > > Thanks for the help, keep in touch. > > Shakeel Abedi > shakeel@tm.net.my > Shakeel Abedi > Rainbow Stained Glass > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Malaysia > Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rachel Ammann > To: Shakeel Abedi > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: Help with glass selection > > >I bought some sample sets a few years ago, and regret > >having done so. > > > >They are wonderful for picking cathedral glasses since > >they are pretty much the same color every time, on > >every sheet. > > > >But, they are very disappointing for opalescent/wispy > >pieces. I had a sample of one glass that was reddish > >with a little yellow. I ordered a piece of the glass > >and it was yellow with a little red. Even 4 in x 6 in > >samples are too small to be representative of fancy > >opalescents. > > > >The sample sets weigh a ton. You have to keep them in > >reinforced boxes. And they are a problem to move. You > >have to wrap every piece or they will get broken during > >shipment. > > > >Each manufacturer has a different size for samples. > >Some are 3 in x 5 in, some are 1.5 in x 3 in. > > > >I've seen stores with samples of all manufacturers in > >light box displays. These are custom cut all the same > >size, not bought as sample sets. > > > >What I found is useful is to exchange scraps of glass > >with friends. People are usually willing to give away > >scraps, and the pieces are smaller (weigh less). You > >might ask if people on the web are willing to send you > >some scraps. > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 15:13:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:33:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu (NG) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:37:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.23716.0> References: <<1998Dec18.44614.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk This is all I get from your posts. I have netscape if that is any help. I tried to post you, but got undeliverable window. So posted to the group. Shirley B daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano wrote: -- xŸ>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 15:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:34:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ???Studio pixs gallery?? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:33:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.33334.0> Precedence: bulk I can envision hours of downloading.................. do I WANT it??????????????NO! enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 15:44:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:07:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sandcarved work destroyed Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:03:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199812172103.NAA10886@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk There was an extreme wind storm and in our fully enclosed porch room 4 out of 5 sandcarved pieces of my work have been destroyed, all custom design and extremely detailed. One was not carved only etched, was a mallard scene. The storm lifted the floor in the corner and also brought down the ceiling tiles. I'm insured. But have been asked 2 questions...estimate cost evaluation and cost to me to reproduce. I have estimated the detailed work pieces to be 200.00 a sq. ft. and the etched piece at 50.00 a sq.ft. One piece was a 2 deer scene, old barn, waterfall/ with a border all around it of dogwoods. One piece was a moose, 2 trees, house, flowers/ with border of pincones. One piece was a fully dressed Harley Davidson panhead, eagle, and HD emblem. All three were deepcarved. The etched piece was simple, but quite nice...actually a Norm Dobbins design. And I'm asking if any sand carved artist would reply to me on this subject. Sincerely Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 16:10:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:40:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu (NG) and an interpertation of vic's e mail for shirley NG also Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:09:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec17.2099.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/17/98 2:47:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, balloch@netbridge.net writes: > daver!ctronsoft.com!vmodiano wrote: > > -- > x=9F>"3=16=01=06=90=08 I think that is a representation of PatricK in his tutu. By any chance do= es he charge $30,000 per performance???? Well, to me it looks like it has a greater than less than sign ( > ) so maybe he charges upwards of $30,000. Those little squares may be fill in the blanks for additional figures. I = can come up with about 50=A2, is that enough? IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 18:23:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:08:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com, pkelly@n-link.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Definately SG Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:07:42 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec18.1742.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick, Wonderful statement, makes people remember just why we're here, from beginner to artisan. Thanks, Kathy >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Wed Dec 16 19:24:39 1998 >Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA01669; > Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:16:20 -0800 (PST) >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:04:23 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly >From: "Pat Kelly" >To: "all" >Content-Type: text/plain; >Subject: Definately SG >Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:03:22 -0600 >Message-ID: <1998Dec16.14322.0> >Precedence: bulk > >To Whom It May Concern: > >We have the collective living genius of the stained glass world literally at >our finger tips. From beginners that bring us new prospectives from other >areas that we can adapt, to the pros, wholesalers, retailers, hobbiest, and >to the just curious members. We are from and of the world. We bring our >feelings, cultures, moods, and knowledge together to form a group called >Bungi. This is such a diverse group of artisans that I feel proud to be a >member. > >In the time I have been associated with this collection of amazing people, >we have had births and deaths, hurricanes, extreme illnesses of members and >families, and all manner of lifes' tragedies. Not once did I ever hear >someone fail to say "I'll help", even if it was only possible for moral >support. On the contrary, members have volunteered to drive hundreds of >miles to assist other members in distress, contact each other when they were >lonely or bedridden, worry about other members during natural disasters, >send greetings on holidays and special occasions, and in general care for >each other even though we may have never met. We cheer our fellow members >when they are about to embark on a new adventure and console them when it >doesn't turn out as expected. > >What (IMHO) we are ...... People. > >What we are not .... a Reference Book > >An excellent reference book is available for about $225 US. IGGA has more on >the subject. > >Some days are tragic and some days are magic. > > >PS Sorry, if no humor ...... I'll do better next time. > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 18:53:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:59:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ???Studio pixs gallery?? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.155716.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley- If I took pics of my studio right at this very moment, you could blackmail me by threatening to send incriminating photos to my immaculate German Mutti! Honey, this place is a dump! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 19:19:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:24:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Paragon Quikfire kilns Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:23:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.162312.0> Precedence: bulk If any of our bungi retailers sell the Paragon Quikfire 6, could you please contact = me off-bungi? TIA. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 20:31:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:32:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Cindy Pesonen" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:30:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.15304.0> Precedence: bulk Now that is tacky. -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Pesonen To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:49 AM Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu > >My thoughts precisley...with the addition of PINK POKADOTS???? >Cindy:) >> >>I Thought Patrick would be wearing "Emerald Green" >> >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 17 20:46:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:17:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Jill Medlyn" , "Toby" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:16:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.151617.0> Precedence: bulk Perhaps you all will see during Glass Vision that is if and when I get the dates. I'm trying to coordinate a business trip with a monkey business trip. Its very hard when you don't know the dates. Its not pink .... its off-color. Shimmer pale pink .... Satin I don't think so. There would be too much shine with my bald head, diamond (diamonique) tiara, and my Sparkling baby blue eyes (Oh I think I got myself sick on that one) -----Original Message----- From: Jill Medlyn To: Toby ; glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:08 AM Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu >I kinda thought it would be a shimmer pale pink...definitely Satin...to >shine with his classy tiara >-----Original Message----- >From: Toby >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:53 PM >Subject: NON SG - tutu > > >>Well, >>Pale pink of course!! >>E 'n T in UK >> >>> Just curious-what color is Patricks TuTu? Linda >>> ---- >>---- >>As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >>North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >>http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >>---- >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 03:38:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:31:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: non-glass WITH APOLOGIES! Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:36:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec17.113614.0> Precedence: bulk This is from a friend from the south!!!!! too good to pass up! And, for your Christmas entertainment --- Arkansas Christmas... Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the shack, not a thing was a movin', from the front to the back, The kids were in bed, I believe we had nine, The wife in her curlers, was lookin' real fine. A cold wind was blowin', up the holler it moaned, All seven dogs on the porch howled and groaned. The boys were all dreamin' of weapons and guns, for killin' God's creatures, there's no better fun. The girls in their feminine dreams were attuned, to getting those gallons of Wal-Mart perfume. The wife wanted jewelry, like rings with big rocks, I wanted my Chevy, down off the blocks. Then in the yard, such a noise did commence, like something was caught, in the barb-wire fence. I ran to the window, and saw pretty quick, the man makin' the racket, was Good Ol' St. Nick. You may think of Santa, in your own mind's eye, dressed in a red and white suit, But I've got a surprise. That old boy's an Arkie, our fair state he won't fail'er, He married his cousin, and they live in a trailer. On Christmas, of course, a sleigh for his rig, He hooks the thing up, to a razorback pig. He climbed on the roof, with his bag full of goodies, He backed down the fireplace, all dirty and sooty. Fat legs in his britches, chubby hands in his mittens, I admit from the back, he looked like Bill Clinton. He turned toward the tree, His eyes all aglow, He was a Southern boy, from his head to his toe. His neck was a red one, His shirt said "Light Beer", there was no red hat, his cap read,"John Deere". He left all the presents, with an air of delight, Then it was back to the chimney, and into the night. He ran into the yard, and threw his bag in the sleigh, Then he yelled at the dogs, to get out of the way. And I heard him exclaim, as those pigs took to flight, Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night..... or maybe it was "Bud Lite" weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 05:47:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:16:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: shakeel@tm.net.my, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: purchasing supplies Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:12:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec18.121216.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Shakeel! Just have to mention that the prices at W-C are much better than Delphi the last time I checked. Shakeel, you really should compare catalog prices before you make a purchase. Sincerely, Lenore P.S. No, I do not work for W-C, just an informed consumer. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 06:20:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 05:11:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Luanne6556 From: Luanne6556@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: ED NG NG NG Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:09:02 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec18.1392.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_913986543_boundary Content-ID: <0_913986543@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_913986543_boundary Content-ID: <0_913986543@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Luanne6556@aol.com Return-path: To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com Subject: Re: ED NG NG NG Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:55:13 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Dani, I think you and all those that DO ANSWER the same questions over and over should be thanked......so I thank you. Hopefully, Bungi will not shut down again. Daver!one said it all with his last response to Albert, DITTO, Daver. It is very easy to detect and delete the NG whether or not it is marked, certainly seems to be less time consuming to delete than to complain about it. It seems a selfish act to make demands, let people ramble on about NG, who is it hurting??? Some people just can't stand to see other people HAVE FUN! These groups are a little like a sports team, YOU LEARN A LOT MORE THAN FOOTBALL BY BEING PART OF A FOOTBALL TEAM. And then you have the Monday morning quarterbacks that always have a better way, even though they didn't play the game. Keep up the good work, and the NG, everyday I bet there is at least one person that could really use a good laugh. I got a good belly-laugh when I saw that Baklava recipe come up, laughed even harder when I thought of ED's disapproval! Great comments from Elisabeth, Tulsa Suzanne, Eljay, etc................Maybe this is just Ed's way of getting some attention. And Ed's question was answered anyway, just think how great the response would have been if he were more polite. LUANNE --part0_913986543_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 07:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:32:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com (Dani Greer), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: diamond drill bits for glass Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:30:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec18.43033.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk He was very nice, and the store was not the problem.. That is the price on the 1/4 inch drill bit.. the 2 mm are like you said under $5. So no problem and thank you, Dani for the help...and support. Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 08:08:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:48:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Subject: Re: purchasing supplies Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <199812181447.JAA08196@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Shakeel, I agree with Lenore their (W-C) prices are good. I also think I read that W-C will match someone elses prices. I have bought from both over the years. Now if Delphi is making some deal on freight for you Shakeel then I would stick with whoever gives you the best price. You are so far away frieght must be the big thing, unless you have a friend with a freighter that goes back and forth. Since one is closer to me than the other, I figure there is a bit of savings on the frieght. But there is enough business to go around if you know what I mean. I like to give the smaller retail stores my business if I can. Hear that Walter... I still check prices, just to make sure W-C is the lowest, and as a budget wise consumer if the item it is idential I purchase the lowest price. Linda Jo P.S. I don't work for W-C either... :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 08:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:28:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: non-glass WITH APOLOGIES! Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:23:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.52335.0> References: <<1998Dec17.113614.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk No Apology needed, needed a great laugh. Helps to lighten the Christmas work load. With many thanks, and great compliments on your wonderful, magical lamps. Lee Boe Rain-boe's Creations Howard wrote: > > This is from a friend from the south!!!!! too good to pass up! > > And, for your Christmas entertainment --- > > Arkansas Christmas... > > Twas the night before Christmas, > and all through the shack, > not a thing was a movin', > from the front to the back, <<>> http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 10:24:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:49:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: ???Studio pixs gallery?? Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:47:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.64748.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shirley Balloch >I too am working on a studio(in progress for years now). What about a collective site with pixs of our studios. Something like our art gallery and then add that to the achives.< Right now I'm afraid of photographing all the dust bunnies. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 10:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:50:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Sample Sets-True to Glass Sheet? Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:47:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.64751.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shirley Balloch >So for at least bull's eye, I would not recommend the expense of their sample box. I would suspect you may have the same problem with Armstrong, wissmach and You(you fill in the rest).< Actually, the Youghiogheny sample set is very accurate, since their samples are about 6" x 3", and show up most of the color complexities. I've never regretted getting the Youghiogheny sample set, although I've had discovered one was mis-labeled. As to the Armstrong, sometimes those samples are not truely representational, but the majority of their samples are true to sheet. My Wissmach sample set is also pretty much true to sheet. As to Bullseye, I don't have their sample set. But the Uroborus sample set is very good. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 10:53:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:02:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non glass related posts Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:52:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199812181701.RAA17981@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Vic, I agree with Suzanne Tulsa about manners, respect and social graces, I also agree with you about that non-s.g. should be appropriately marked. It's the old "ghost" again > I would like to add my $.02 to this thread regarding Ed's feelings about > Non Glass asides. > > I question his tact and attitude but not his feelings. In fact I agree > with him on one thing and that is, posts not related to glass be > appropriately marked. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 11:24:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:05:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NONGLASS! mo/style Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:05:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec18.18530.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, this past weekend we had a bit of a mishap in my house, and i= n the spirit of humor and good will, I thought I would share this with you. = My mother is homebound with special needs, and I was working a 12 hour nursin= g shift, when certain relatives came to call: Beware the swiveling Christmas tree stands!!!! =91Twas the day I was working, and Trisha did come To visit our mother, with Andrew, her son. She cooked up some supper, they ate it all up, She cleaned up the dishes, each plate fork and cup. And I at my job working hard like I do, Unaware of the chaos, from the Harrington Two. She straightened and dusted and vacuumed it all, And looked at my tree, how nice and how tall! She looked once, and then twice and then had a thought: =93I=92ll give it some water, I=92ll do that I ought!=94 So down on her knees, she knelt with the water, my mom chimed, =93doesn=92t need it=94, but what did it matter... She pried back the black bar as far as she could, to add in the water, as much as she should. But what to her wondering eyes did appear? The tree fell down on her, electrocution her fear! The ornaments fell to the floor in a rattle, The bubble lights tangled as if in a battle. The lights on the window flew off in a rage, My sister was buried in a Christmas tree cage. The snowman was singing and blinking his lights, while Andrew was thinking was his mom all right? Then what to his wondering ears did he hear, My mom calling out, =93this is the most fun this year!=94 She pushed up the tree and she shook off the stuff, still stuck on her shirt and her hair was all fluff. And laying a finger to the side of her nose, she felt it wasn=92t broken, like the tree and its bows. She fixed it and trimmed it though crooked it was, Hoping I=92d not notice some of the flaws, Then laughter overcame her and laugh she sure did, She laughed and mom laughed and so did her kid. They called me at my work to let me now know, My tree had just fallen like crestfallen snow. And what to my wondering self did I think? I love my dear sister, though my tree lights won=92t blink. And then in a minute I laughed hard again, This Christmas would be a memory for always, Amen. maureen I have a swivel tree stand, my sister thought the brake, was actually a pu= ll down spout to add water to the stand..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 11:56:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:29:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:12:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199812181512.HAA13755@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hey, I haven't even gotten to that head piece that you wear!!! >chuckle, chuckle, chuckling! PS...come on Patrick...pink with blue...hmmmm, kinda basic sort of guy, eh.??? >>Now that is tacky. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Cindy Pesonen >>To: glass@bungi.com >>Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:49 AM >>Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu >> >> >>> >>>My thoughts precisley...with the addition of PINK POKADOTS???? >>>Cindy:) >>>> >>>>I Thought Patrick would be wearing "Emerald Green" >>>> >>>> >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >> >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 12:19:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:38:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: non-glass WITH APOLOGIES! Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:24:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.62431.0> References: <<1998Dec17.113614.0>> Precedence: bulk Wow Howard! I just about dropped my teeth, and they are all mine and attached! Non glass from Howard. Pigs are a flyin! ;o) They are makin me smile! Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 12:23:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:13:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ???Studio pixs gallery?? Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:10:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.91050.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:leestat7@home.com, INTERNET:leestat7@home.com TO: Dani Greer, GreerStudios DATE: 12/18/98 4:11 AM RE: Re: ???Studio pixs gallery?? Sender: leestat7@home.com Received: from ha1.rdc1.fl.home.com (ha1.rdc1.fl.home.com [24.2.3.66]) by arl-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) with ESMTP id EAA09931 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:11:37 -0500 (EST)= Received: from home.com ([24.3.77.11]) by ha1.rdc1.fl.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA19354; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:11:36 -0800 Message-ID: <367A1B5D.38E481E@home.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:07:41 -0500 From: leestat7 Reply-To: leestat7@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dani Greer Subject: Re: ???Studio pixs gallery?? References: <1998Dec17.155716.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lee... hang in there! I'm forwarding this to the bungi gang for you! _______________________________________________________________ AH, GOOD, I thought I was the only one with a disaster for a studio (it has outgrown its room, sprawling all over the house) I still have 12 glass music boxes (monogrammed) 12 fused crosses, 6 picture frames and a few other odd pieces to finish orders by Christmas. Plus wrap and send my own gifts (glass of course) , and try to finish cleaning the house. = And you wonder why no one has heard from me??? First time in 4-5 days I have logged on for e-mail, ouch, 357 messages. If anyone notes the time this is sent: 4:06 AM Eastern Standard (Florida) time. Back and foot hurt to much to sleep (that's too long a story, most know of it anyway). If I have overlooked any important msgs, that were for me personally, please send again. Carol, just got your post, and Kris too, will answer tonight (this morning???????????) yet. Pats to Toby, and hugs to Elisabeth, Dani & all. Happy Holidays to all. = Dani Greer wrote: > = > Hi Shirley- > = > If I took pics of my studio right at this > very moment, you could blackmail > me by threatening to send incriminating > photos to my immaculate German Mutti! > Honey, this place is a dump! > = > Best, > = > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 12:49:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:49:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: epix.net!"pmsl@epix.net" From: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dremel for drillin' Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <199812181948.OAA05702@lima.epix.net> Organization: Prefered Customer Precedence: bulk Hi all, A few weeks ago there was a thread regarding drilling holes in glass. The dremel was mentioned as a good tool for this task. So I went to Sears and bought one.(Craftsman rotary tool; 5000-30,000 rpm).Problem is, I haven't been able to successfully drill a hole in the glass. Burnt up one diamond bit, broke several scrap pieces of glass. Please, whom ever has been using the dremel, e-mail me privately with the specifics of drilling. TIA. Paula ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 13:55:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:34:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NONGLASS! ma/style Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:35:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199812182027.PAA11733@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Beware the swiveling Christmas tree stands!!!! Yeah, Julie and I got the biggest tree we've ever had, a nine-footer (they were all the same price, regardless of size, so ... ) and had just put the final ornament on it, sat back with a glass of wine apiece and ... it fell over! Smashed a bunch of ornaments, of course, but that's just an excuse now to start collecting more memories, not that we'll forget *this tree-trimming anytime soon! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 14:53:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:50:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:49:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.114933.0> References: <<1998Dec17.151617.0>> Precedence: bulk Pat Kelly wrote: > > > Its not pink .... its off-color. Shimmer pale pink .... Satin I don't think > so. There would be too much shine with my bald head, diamond (diamonique) > tiara, and my Sparkling baby blue eyes (Oh I think I got myself sick on that > one) > Patrick, as you know, some people have spent extensive time explaining how make things all shiney, so I don't think too much shine will be a problem. It may, perhaps, lend you an ethereal air. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 14:55:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:34:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dremel for drillin' Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:00:44, -0500 Message-ID: <199812182100.QAA11284@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >> I haven't been able to successfully drill a hole in the glass. Burnt up one diamond bit, broke several scrap pieces of glass. Please, whom ever has been using the dremel, e-mail me privately with the specifics of drilling. TIA. Paula<< You MUST drill under water. For a small piece just place it in a plastic container with only enough water to cover the glass. For a larger piece of glass build a dam around the hole to be. Tackey wax rolled out so that a dam 1/4" high and about 2" in diameter is plenty. You might get by with a masking tape dam- anything to keep a couple of tablespooms of water by the drill to cool and remove ground glass. Bob Ps: Reply sent to bungi because origional senders address comes back as invalid ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 15:10:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:35:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!Elsiemt From: Elsie Turqman To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: non-glass WITH APOLOGIES! Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:10:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.111044.0> References: <<1998Dec17.113614.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Howard, that was a fun break. I have a Brooklyn and Eubonics version if you are interested. Elsie Howard wrote: > This is from a friend from the south!!!!! too good to pass up! > > And, for your Christmas entertainment --- > > Arkansas Christmas... > > Twas the night before Christmas, > and all through the shack, > not a thing was a movin', > from the front to the back, > > The kids were in bed, > I believe we had nine, > The wife in her curlers, > was lookin' real fine. > > A cold wind was blowin', > up the holler it moaned, > All seven dogs on the porch > howled and groaned. > > The boys were all dreamin' > of weapons and guns, > for killin' God's creatures, > there's no better fun. > > The girls in their feminine > dreams were attuned, > to getting those gallons > of Wal-Mart perfume. > > The wife wanted jewelry, > like rings with big rocks, > I wanted my Chevy, > down off the blocks. > > Then in the yard, > such a noise did commence, > like something was caught, > in the barb-wire fence. > > I ran to the window, > and saw pretty quick, > the man makin' the racket, > was Good Ol' St. Nick. > > You may think of Santa, > in your own mind's eye, > dressed in a red and white suit, > But I've got a surprise. > > That old boy's an Arkie, > our fair state he won't fail'er, > He married his cousin, > and they live in a trailer. > > On Christmas, of course, > a sleigh for his rig, > He hooks the thing up, > to a razorback pig. > > He climbed on the roof, > with his bag full of goodies, > He backed down the fireplace, > all dirty and sooty. > > Fat legs in his britches, > chubby hands in his mittens, > I admit from the back, > he looked like Bill Clinton. > > He turned toward the tree, > His eyes all aglow, > He was a Southern boy, > from his head to his toe. > > His neck was a red one, > His shirt said "Light Beer", > there was no red hat, > his cap read,"John Deere". > > He left all the presents, > with an air of delight, > Then it was back to the chimney, > and into the night. > > He ran into the yard, > and threw his bag in the sleigh, > Then he yelled at the dogs, > to get out of the way. > > And I heard him exclaim, > as those pigs took to flight, > Merry Christmas to all, > and to all a good night..... > or maybe it was "Bud Lite" > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 15:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:33:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NONGLASS! ma/style Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.122610.0> Precedence: bulk Albert, Ho Ho Ho .....love it! > >> Beware the swiveling Christmas tree stands!!!! > >Yeah, Julie and I got the biggest tree we've ever had, a nine-footer >(they were all the same price, regardless of size, so ... ) and had >just put the final ornament on it, sat back with a glass of wine >apiece and ... it fell over! > >Smashed a bunch of ornaments, of course, but that's just an excuse >now to start collecting more memories, not that we'll forget *this >tree-trimming anytime soon! > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 16:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dremel for drillin' Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:38:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.123839.0> References: <<199812181948.OAA05702@lima.epix.net>> Precedence: bulk Paula Smith-Lane wrote: > > Hi all, > A few weeks ago there was a thread regarding drilling holes in glass. > The dremel was mentioned as a good tool for this task. So I went to > Sears and bought one.(Craftsman rotary tool; 5000-30,000 rpm).Problem > is, I haven't been able to successfully drill a hole in the glass. Burnt > up one diamond bit, broke several scrap pieces of glass. Please, whom > ever has been using the dremel, e-mail me privately with the specifics > of drilling. TIA. > Paula > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass did you use water while you drilled? the bit will get very hot and wear out quickly if you dont' use water. or the glass will crack, and you'll probably suck up alot of the dust while you breath. use water, use a light pressure, don't push the bit, let it do the cutting. if you feel some give in the bit, back off, let it clear and cool down, and go back down again. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 16:30:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:01:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: SG business for sale Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:03:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.13346.0> Precedence: bulk I ran across a lady who wants to sell her stained glass business (retiring). She is wholesale mostly, has her work in Neiman Marcus, catalogs and other such places. She says the biz comes with all her equipment, supplies, patterns and client list. She's asking $40,000. The biz is in Sarasota FL, but could be moved anywhere by moving the equipment. That's all I know, but her email is glasldy@aol.com or I have her phone number if you want to call for more info. I also sent her info on how to get on here so maybe she'll appear among us one of these days! Kris ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 18 20:16:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:19:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Family Account" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:17:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.151733.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 5:03 PM Subject: Re: NON SG - tutu > >>Patrick, as you know, some people have spent extensive time explaining how make >things all shiney, so I don't think too much shine will be a problem. It may, >perhaps, lend you an ethereal air.>> Each time I have ethereal air, its from eating Mexican Food and people seem to shy away from me. I don't understand why. > >Dorothy K > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 00:01:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:16:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "all" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio# 81 Ellen Raper Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:12:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.191243.0> Precedence: bulk I graduated from Beloit College in 1973 with a double major in history and philosophy. I earned a BS in Biological Life Sciences from North Carolina State University in 1980. The years in between these two events was spent wandering about from place to place and from odd job to odd job. For awhile I lived in a school bus in the woods in New Hampshire while sewing sleeping bags for a living. I miss the freedom of that time when all my worldly possessions fit into my small car and life was relatively free of encumbrances. I have lived in Raleigh, NC, since 1977. I married in 1981. For many years I raised dogs, Bouvier des Flandres and then Whippets. Several years ago the significant other of a friend of mine died of cancer. During the difficult time of adjustment to single living my friend Brenda (also a dog breeder/exhibitor) was looking for distractions to keep her busy so she persuaded me to take a stained glass class with her. For our class projects we each made our own designs, she made a panel with a sitting Whippet and I made a panel with a Bouvier head. We were taught the foil method. Then we took a foil panel lamp class and each designed and made our own lampshades. A lead glass class was next and we each designed and made a window panel. For the next year and a half we struggled to make glass projects in our spare time with the eventual aim of being able to practice the craft while making a modest profit. This fall Brenda and I wanted to take a warm glass class and I also enrolled my husband, David. I informed David that I had signed him up for this class and then asked him if he would like to come. He agreed to give it a try. Now Brenda has purchased a small kiln and another friend of mine is waiting delivery of an 18" kiln. The first project I tackled on my own was begun immediately after the conclusion of the first class. I was frustrated with my lack of skill and the evident flaws in workmanship of my class project. I bought some outstanding glass and constructed a piece using the original design that I had created for that project. I was very pleased with the improvements evident in my second execution of this design. Ironically this is the first piece that I sold. The project from the lead panel class used black, white and red glass in a geometric pattern. It was planned for our bedroom window since a newly built house had sprung up behind us and I hated the lack of light that resulted from having to keep the shades drawn all the time for privacy. I love lying in bed and watching the fiery look of the sun as it pours through the red glass as the sun rises. This past weekend we exhibited at a neighborhood artwalk (vendor booths are set up at homes throughout the neighborhood). We were frustrated with our sales while the booth next to ours (we shared a front porch) seemed to be selling everything they had. Yesterday I had a phone call from an individual who informed me that although garden accent stones weren't to his liking his wife had admired my Welcome Friends/pawprints stone that she had seen at our booth at the artwalk and he would like to buy it for her. It is the first stone I designed and he is coming by this afternoon to purchase it. I didn't enjoy the hours spent in the warm glass class. The studio the class was in did not have ample work space. We went to class for the lecture and then worked in our home studio. It was very frustrating without a kiln to have to wait from week to week to go back to class to see how a firing had turned out. I do enjoy the freedom of design that I feel working with kiln formed glass. At the moment I have an idea for a fused glass project that I would like to find the time to design. I have created and published a web page for our work. This was my first venture of this type and I am not yet pleased with the results. We plan to take more photos of our work this weekend and perhaps I will get the time to work on the web page soon. My apologies for taking so long to submit a Bio as I have been a member of this list for quite some time. Ellen Raper Raleigh, NC Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 00:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:19:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "all" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 79 Debi Hollinger Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:10:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec18.191053.0> Precedence: bulk I am guilty of being a Lurker,so I am coming out of the lurker closet. My name is Debi and here is my Bio. I am from South Jersey, in a small town(Port Norris) on the Maurice River,that empties into the Delaware Bay. I have never lived anywhere else, traveled to other places, but there's no place like home. At one time I wanted to be an art teacher, but quit college, got married-had 2 children, and became an LPN. Got divorced & was a single mom for several years. I have always enjoyed doing crafts(xstitch,painting ceramics) whatever was affordable at the time. 2 years later met my second husband, got married and had another baby. I saw an advertisement for a stained glass class at local high school and got hooked on glass! Took more classes at glass supply store(Anything in Stained Glass in Rio Grande) and cant find enough time to do all I'd like to do! Suncatchers ,small mason jar candle lampshades,hanging mirror frames etc. My work area is in the heater roof off my basement where no kids are allowed.If I could quit my job, I could do more glass but then probably couldn't afford it. I really enjoy Glass @ bungi & have learned alot from you folks. I feel so amateur next to you all since I've only sold 1 lampshade in the 4 years of doing this( have given lots away as gifts and fund-raiser items). Now that I have broken my silence , I will hopefully jump in more. I am trying to arrange my vacation so that I can go to the WC event or Meridith's. Thanks for everything!! Debi Hollinger POBox145 Port Norris,NJ 08349 Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 06:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:28:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:08:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.0857.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk QVC was on in the morning (I was going to surprise Patrick with a new diamonique tiara) and there was an hour presentation of stained glass lamps, all purporting to be American glass, but no mention of where they were made. The glass did look to be middle of the road, not great but also not bad, and the workmanship also looked to be done pretty well. But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. I can't imagine how many people they would have working. The man who was representing the glass company - and it's name was never mentioned, but his was, Pelcher something or other, went on to tell how the lamps were all made on molds and then turned over and soldered on the back. To be honest, I can't buy glass and a base for what he was selling those lamps, much less put it together, and it's hard to explain to someone why something I made isn't as cheap as QVC or one of the other shows. They explain the process so that it appears so simple, labor intensive to be sure, but when a mold is mentioned, I think that's the magic word. Put the glass in a mold and it'll come out finished. A dragonfly lamp sold out at $276 and it looked so beautiful, I had been tempted to order it just to save myself the angst of making one myself. How can they sell these lamps, base and all for $87 and under for the most part? Is offshore labor that cheap? Has anyone been affected in their business by this? A woman was in our studio/store store last week and walked out with a suncatcher the owner had made, saying "I never expected to be paying $25 for a suncatcher". No one forced her, but she was clearly "ticked off" for some reason. Now another woman walked in wanting a panel of a sunset for her beach home. We gave her a price of $800 and she said "fine". It's a simple piece, but with the right glass we know she'll be happy with it. I guess I'm wondering if only special commissions will survive because I can't see how a business with lamps as their focus can compete with the inexpensive ones, unless certain people know what they are paying for and don't complain or compare. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 06:16:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:31:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Subject: Welcome! Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: <199812191329.IAA05525@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Hi and great to meet you Debi and Ellen. I am relatively new here and this is a great bunch of folks, not to mention the vast weatlth of knowledge. I learn something new every day. Merry Christmas, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 08:03:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:05:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.5544.0> References: <<1998Dec19.0857.0>> Precedence: bulk Carol Tombro wrote: > > QVC was on in the morning (I was going to surprise Patrick with a new > diamonique tiara) and there was an hour presentation of stained glass > lamps, all purporting to be American glass, but no mention of where they > were made. The glass did look to be middle of the road, not great but > also not bad, and the workmanship also looked to be done pretty well. > But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and > it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone > making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. I can't imagine how > many people they would have working. The man who was representing the > glass company - and it's name was never mentioned, but his was, Pelcher > something or other, went on to tell how the lamps were all made on molds > and then turned over and soldered on the back. To be honest, I can't > buy glass and a base for what he was selling those lamps, much less put > it together, and it's hard to explain to someone why something I made > isn't as cheap as QVC or one of the other shows. They explain the > process so that it appears so simple, labor intensive to be sure, but > when a mold is mentioned, I think that's the magic word. Put the glass > in a mold and it'll come out finished. A dragonfly lamp sold out at > $276 and it looked so beautiful, I had been tempted to order it just to > save myself the angst of making one myself. How can they sell these > lamps, base and all for $87 and under for the most part? Is offshore > labor that cheap? Has anyone been affected in their business by this? > A woman was in our studio/store store last week and walked out with a > suncatcher the owner had made, saying "I never expected to be paying $25 > for a suncatcher". No one forced her, but she was clearly "ticked off" > for some reason. Now another woman walked in wanting a panel of a > sunset for her beach home. We gave her a price of $800 and she said > "fine". It's a simple piece, but with the right glass we know she'll be > happy with it. I guess I'm wondering if only special commissions will > survive because I can't see how a business with lamps as their focus can > compete with the inexpensive ones, unless certain people know what they > are paying for and don't complain or compare. > > Carol T > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass how about that, they said that the last group of lamps were the last for the year. lately QVC's glass quality and uniqness has improved quite a bit. all the glass is spectrum, and they probably get it iin huge quantities. to reduce cutting costs, it would'nt supprise me if they use a water cutter of some kind. the foiling is probably done with a machine (but by hand). and the molds can be used over and over. as for labor thir probably using slaves. they work cheap... what always amazed me most about the presention, was the fact they kept mentioning the pieces. this lamp has over 200 pieces, "wow", the ditsy lady says, "that's to many", and this is how they judge quality. the foil is 1/4" with huge gaps. and when the lamp is turned on alot of the colors wash out. i'm not even going to talk about the people calling in, always in awe over the work... since this has been going on for at least for around 5-8 years now on that channel, i don't think it will put a huge dent in this market. chances are if you have one of those people buying stuff from you they are going to be real picky and fussy. they found out how exspensive custom glass is, and that's why their buying all their junk from TV. they don't relize that they can pick out their own colors, pattern, and the like. and at the end get a one of a kind work.... oh well... another way to look at it is, does the jewelry they sell effect the jewelers market? probably not... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 08:13:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:06:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:10:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199812191502.KAA17998@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and > it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone > making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. You believe them when they say that sort of thing? I've surfed by QVC and have heard them announce that a bajillion of some kind of junk or other had been sold and that there are only a handful left. I always think, "Yeahhhright." I think it's a sales ploy, building a fire under those who respond to the everybody-else-has-got-one so I-have-to-have-one-too knee jerk reaction. Albert (who has knee-jerk reactions to other kinds of things) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 10:05:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:05:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass-QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:15:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.51512.0> Precedence: bulk Remember those sales techniques y'all were telling me about before my show? Dont put out too much of the same thing, etc.....or more than one of the same color..."hmmmm....not sure if I have another like that...they are going fast..." Tulsa Suzanne Albert Lewis wrote: > > > But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and > > it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone > > making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. > > You believe them when they say that sort of thing? I've surfed > by QVC and have heard them announce that a bajillion of some kind of > junk or other had been sold and that there are only a handful left. I > always think, "Yeahhhright." I think it's a sales ploy, building a > fire under those who respond to the everybody-else-has-got-one so > I-have-to-have-one-too knee jerk reaction. > > Albert (who has knee-jerk reactions to other kinds of things) -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 10:18:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:06:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:05:20 -0800 Message-ID: <199812191705.JAA09641@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Carol...I take is QVC is some kind of Tv shopping channel...we have one of those in Canada too. Recently saw it when I was channel surfing while sick...and I was appalled at this form of selling anything. Do you really CARE if people compare your work to something so tacky? Personally I would get offended...it's so tacky it's sort of like shopping at K mart or Costco (do you have those in the States?). If not, pick a low end poor quality mass marketing kind of store. And if people want to look like their stained glass was made for Roseanne's house...you don't want them as clients anyway. Hmm, what other icons of tackiness can I come up with this morning? I'm scared to go into vehicle makes for fear of offending folks. Trust me CArol, you don't want those people as clients. When you run into them at a show, you have 2 choices...if it's not busy, you might want to engage them in conversation and educate them as to the superior quality of your handmade art as opposed to mass market schlock. If it's busy, I give them about 30 seconds of my time, highlight the benefits of my work and move on. I'm there to sell, and I'd rather go talk to someone who might appreciate my work and buy some...it's a better use of my time. You're under no obligation to justify your prices to anyone. If your work is priced so you are covering your costs and making a fair profit for your time, that's what counts. It's actually quite funny to hear the responses to pricing. Within 10 minutes I've had someone look at a $600 panel and exclaim in shock at the price, while the next person comes along and tells me how reasonable my prices are and books a home consultation for a custom panel. Developing confidence in your workis the best defense. If you're confidenct, you can achieve anything. As long as you're selling stuff, that's what counts and it also shows that you are in the right price range for your target market. (You DO know who your target market is and can describe your typical customer right...age, occupation, income level, etc? With practice you can usually identify them when they enter your booth...even when they try and fool you by dressing down, there's still something about the way they carry themselves. You have also investigated their shopping habits in your area, haven't you...part of developing your business plan for your business... As far as buying mass market glass schlock for yourself...Carol you never would have been satisfied...I've looked at these myself...considered buying them for the bases (sometimes their bases are cheaper than I cann get them for), although the base quality isn't great either. Considered using the lampshades to improve my rock pitching abilities, but I already have buckets of glass scraps around the place. Although some of the CHinese ones appear better than the other imports, you'd be forever looking at it and seeing the flaws. Besides, how many of these have you had to repair vs how many of your own lamps? Well, better get off my soapbox... Carol PS As far as having a lamp business, Howard can speak to this better than I...but I'll betcha HIS customers don't even watch QVC...they're too busy living the "good life" and making money if they can afford his prices...it's all in who your target market is. >QVC was on in the morning (I was going to surprise Patrick with a new >diamonique tiara) and there was an hour presentation of stained glass >lamps, all purporting to be American glass, but no mention of where they >were made. The glass did look to be middle of the road, not great but >also not bad, and the workmanship also looked to be done pretty well. >But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and >it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone >making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. I can't imagine how >many people they would have working. The man who was representing the >glass company - and it's name was never mentioned, but his was, Pelcher >something or other, went on to tell how the lamps were all made on molds >and then turned over and soldered on the back. To be honest, I can't >buy glass and a base for what he was selling those lamps, much less put >it together, and it's hard to explain to someone why something I made >isn't as cheap as QVC or one of the other shows. They explain the >process so that it appears so simple, labor intensive to be sure, but >when a mold is mentioned, I think that's the magic word. Put the glass >in a mold and it'll come out finished. A dragonfly lamp sold out at >$276 and it looked so beautiful, I had been tempted to order it just to >save myself the angst of making one myself. How can they sell these >lamps, base and all for $87 and under for the most part? Is offshore >labor that cheap? Has anyone been affected in their business by this? >A woman was in our studio/store store last week and walked out with a >suncatcher the owner had made, saying "I never expected to be paying $25 >for a suncatcher". No one forced her, but she was clearly "ticked off" >for some reason. Now another woman walked in wanting a panel of a >sunset for her beach home. We gave her a price of $800 and she said >"fine". It's a simple piece, but with the right glass we know she'll be >happy with it. I guess I'm wondering if only special commissions will >survive because I can't see how a business with lamps as their focus can >compete with the inexpensive ones, unless certain people know what they >are paying for and don't complain or compare. > >Carol T > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 10:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:09:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: attcanada.net!tuka From: "tuka" To: Subject: QVC "Tiffany style" lamps Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:13:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.11349.0> Precedence: bulk Go here for a closer look http://www.qvc.com/frames/ddframe1100.html Not worth even the low price, IMHO Shiela ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 10:34:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:09:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:09:28 -0800 Message-ID: <199812191709.JAA10215@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk > >i'm not even going to talk about the people calling in, always in awe >over the work... Hmm, here's a thought. Are these real people calling in or "actors". If they're real people...why couldn't someone from bungi who actually watches this stuff call in at the appropriate time, masquerade as a "customer" then hijack the show and educate the public...you'd probably have 30 seconds to get the glass artists message out before they pull the pin. If I lived in the States, I'd do it!! It would be fun to yank their chains a little!! C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 11:07:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:03:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:01:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199812191801.KAA15589@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Albert and all, Sales hype for sure and not a zillion little monkies building them either!!! Even thou Patrick is going on some "monkey business"... Cindy:) > >> But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and >> it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone >> making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. > >You believe them when they say that sort of thing? I've surfed >by QVC and have heard them announce that a bajillion of some kind of >junk or other had been sold and that there are only a handful left. I >always think, "Yeahhhright." I think it's a sales ploy, building a >fire under those who respond to the everybody-else-has-got-one so >I-have-to-have-one-too knee jerk reaction. > >Albert (who has knee-jerk reactions to other kinds of things) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 11:36:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:51:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:33:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.23354.0> References: <<199812191705.JAA09641@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > Carol...I take is QVC is some kind of Tv shopping channel...we have one of > those in Canada too. Recently saw it when I was channel surfing while > sick...and I was appalled at this form of selling anything. > > Do you really CARE if people compare your work to something so tacky? > Personally I would get offended...it's so tacky it's sort of like shopping > at K mart or Costco (do you have those in the States?). If not, pick a low > end poor quality mass marketing kind of store. > > And if people want to look like their stained glass was made for Roseanne's > house...you don't want them as clients anyway. > > Hmm, what other icons of tackiness can I come up with this morning? I'm > scared to go into vehicle makes for fear of offending folks. > > Trust me CArol, you don't want those people as clients. When you run into > them at a show, you have 2 choices...if it's not busy, you might want to > engage them in conversation and educate them as to the superior quality of > your handmade art as opposed to mass market schlock. If it's busy, I give > them about 30 seconds of my time, highlight the benefits of my work and move > on. I'm there to sell, and I'd rather go talk to someone who might > appreciate my work and buy some...it's a better use of my time. > > You're under no obligation to justify your prices to anyone. If your work > is priced so you are covering your costs and making a fair profit for your > time, that's what counts. It's actually quite funny to hear the responses > to pricing. Within 10 minutes I've had someone look at a $600 panel and > exclaim in shock at the price, while the next person comes along and tells > me how reasonable my prices are and books a home consultation for a custom > panel. Developing confidence in your workis the best defense. If you're > confidenct, you can achieve anything. > > As long as you're selling stuff, that's what counts and it also shows that > you are in the right price range for your target market. (You DO know who > your target market is and can describe your typical customer right...age, > occupation, income level, etc? With practice you can usually identify them > when they enter your booth...even when they try and fool you by dressing > down, there's still something about the way they carry themselves. You have > also investigated their shopping habits in your area, haven't you...part of > developing your business plan for your business... > > As far as buying mass market glass schlock for yourself...Carol you never > would have been satisfied...I've looked at these myself...considered buying > them for the bases (sometimes their bases are cheaper than I cann get them > for), although the base quality isn't great either. Considered using the > lampshades to improve my rock pitching abilities, but I already have buckets > of glass scraps around the place. Although some of the CHinese ones appear > better than the other imports, you'd be forever looking at it and seeing the > flaws. Besides, how many of these have you had to repair vs how many of > your own lamps? > > Well, better get off my soapbox... > > Carol > > PS As far as having a lamp business, Howard can speak to this better than > I...but I'll betcha HIS customers don't even watch QVC...they're too busy > living the "good life" and making money if they can afford his prices...it's > all in who your target market is. > > >QVC was on in the morning (I was going to surprise Patrick with a new > >diamonique tiara) and there was an hour presentation of stained glass > >lamps, all purporting to be American glass, but no mention of where they > >were made. The glass did look to be middle of the road, not great but > >also not bad, and the workmanship also looked to be done pretty well. > >But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and > >it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone > >making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. I can't imagine how > >many people they would have working. The man who was representing the > >glass company - and it's name was never mentioned, but his was, Pelcher > >something or other, went on to tell how the lamps were all made on molds > >and then turned over and soldered on the back. To be honest, I can't > >buy glass and a base for what he was selling those lamps, much less put > >it together, and it's hard to explain to someone why something I made > >isn't as cheap as QVC or one of the other shows. They explain the > >process so that it appears so simple, labor intensive to be sure, but > >when a mold is mentioned, I think that's the magic word. Put the glass > >in a mold and it'll come out finished. A dragonfly lamp sold out at > >$276 and it looked so beautiful, I had been tempted to order it just to > >save myself the angst of making one myself. How can they sell these > >lamps, base and all for $87 and under for the most part? Is offshore > >labor that cheap? Has anyone been affected in their business by this? > >A woman was in our studio/store store last week and walked out with a > >suncatcher the owner had made, saying "I never expected to be paying $25 > >for a suncatcher". No one forced her, but she was clearly "ticked off" > >for some reason. Now another woman walked in wanting a panel of a > >sunset for her beach home. We gave her a price of $800 and she said > >"fine". It's a simple piece, but with the right glass we know she'll be > >happy with it. I guess I'm wondering if only special commissions will > >survive because I can't see how a business with lamps as their focus can > >compete with the inexpensive ones, unless certain people know what they > >are paying for and don't complain or compare. > > > >Carol T > > > >---- > hope nothing is wrong with shopping at Costco!!! GREAT deals on food, toys, etc etc, and if you go on a Saturday you can have lunch on all the free samples:) I wouldnt buy glass there though or anything trying to pretend to be artwork. (or any electronics that I had hopes for any kind of followup care on either...an alarm clock maybe or a coffee maker...cant imagine buying a computer in one of those places) as for QVC I cant imagine customer satistfaction with ANYTHING purchased with sort of an infomercial flair.....I have seen jewelry and clothing that people have bought from those shows and I dont know if they use different ones for the sample or what but it clearly is NOT quality stuff. Looks much better on TV than live. Cant imagine spending a few hundred on a piece of jewelry (or glass for that matter) and not being able to look at it up close...the whole thing screams HOKEY to me..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 11:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:54:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:53:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.85353.0> Precedence: bulk Carol, don't worry about those cheap lamp sellers. They have their market share and those customers you don't really want for "real" stained glass. On the other hand, even though it's cheap, cheesy stuff, it still raises the conscious- ness of the public for S.G..... and their desire. There will always be people who want the real thing and the best. That's where you come in. When I get a customer looking for a Tiffany lamp, I gladly send them to my neighbor with the antique store who is selling China-made Tiffany-styles for under $300. Or Hobby Lobby where some lamps are under $100. I'm the answer-gal for any kind of glass the public wants, and 90% of it I don't supply.... I send 'em somewhere else and gladly. Doesn't bother me a bit.... why? Because I live in a county of close to 500,000 people. There are about half a dozen professional glass studios in the area that do relatively decent to excellent work. If 10% of the population came to us tomorrow for a custom window, that would be 50,000 folks. Could we supply them? Not likely. Nor for 1% and maybe = not even for 1/10 of 1%. So what's the worry? None for me, because my market is = regional with an eye toward national. The point is... don't worry about the next guy.... find or create *your market. My market isn't likely to buy from QVC. If yours is, stay one step ahead of the competition. For example, if stepping stones are saturating the market, including really cheap ones, take it a step;-) further.... I think the new sundial designs are slick as can be... and probably not made off-shore.... yet. Offer something newer and better....sooner. By the way, if you didn't sell products with "1998" on them this year, add some "1999" stock next year. You'll sell like crazy. And if my personal experience with Commonwheel Holiday Market (the co-op I belong to) is any indication, S.G. mobiles could be a hot seller in the coming year. I made two with fused glass, a tiny bit of dichroic, copper spanners ($55 - $75 each) and they sold within days. Clever packaging is a must on these! How's this for a topic of the week: What do you predict will sell in 1999? Best regards, Dani Greer (who misses her boom lift terribly :-( ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 12:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:06:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:49:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.5491.0> References: <<199812191709.JAA10215@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Now isn't that an interesting idea, but I believe I'd be yanked after 15 seconds, not 30 and the people who are buying those products wouldn't want to listen. I believe they're looking for a "bargain" and it is except when it comes in for repairs. Often the repairs on these inexpensive s.g. lamps is more than what the customer paid for them in the first place. I really can't fathom why they pay so much for repairing those things unless they've become extremely attached to letting go of their money. This was the first time I had seen what others on bungi had talked about regarding the inexpensive s.g. lamps that were being sold now. Sheesh, my mother even called me last night to tell me that QVC was selling "the same thing I did". Thankyou mom. I have Patrick to blame for watching QVC in the first place. I only wanted to find him a new diamonique tiara, but they weren't on so he's going to have to do with the one he has. Thanks for all the feedback on this. I appreciate it very much. Carol T Carol Swann wrote: > > > >i'm not even going to talk about the people calling in, always in awe > >over the work... > > Hmm, here's a thought. Are these real people calling in or "actors". If > they're real people...why couldn't someone from bungi who actually watches > this stuff call in at the appropriate time, masquerade as a "customer" then > hijack the show and educate the public...you'd probably have 30 seconds to > get the glass artists message out before they pull the pin. If I lived in > the States, I'd do it!! It would be fun to yank their chains a little!! > > C. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 12:24:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:07:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:53:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.5535.0> References: <<199812191502.KAA17998@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Albert, Believe them when they say 30,000? No, but they still must have sold a good deal of them at $59.57 or whatever it was. Cheap labor, glass in bulk, and people who want a stained glass "look" will contribute to its' popularity and they'll just go on selling the stuff. Carol T Albert Lewis wrote: > > But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and > > it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone > > making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. > > You believe them when they say that sort of thing? I've surfed > by QVC and have heard them announce that a bajillion of some kind of > junk or other had been sold and that there are only a handful left. I > always think, "Yeahhhright." I think it's a sales ploy, building a > fire under those who respond to the everybody-else-has-got-one so > I-have-to-have-one-too knee jerk reaction. > > Albert (who has knee-jerk reactions to other kinds of things) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 12:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:32:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: bill To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_914113829==_" Subject: NG yet another christmas poem :-) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:30:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981219143029.0079a110@popd.netcom.ca> Precedence: bulk --=====================_914113829==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi all!!....i know from reading past messages that a lot of you folks out there are pet owners.......i came across a christmas poem that i thought some of you might enjoy and i am sending it your way.....hope you enjoy it.....Bill --=====================_914113829==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 'Twas the Night Before Christmas', Dog Version It was about time for Christmas, and all through the house A creature was stirring, but it wasn't a mouse; I knew right away it was my wife's little pup, She thought we were sleeping, and so she was up The dog was a gift; it was coercion, really, A woman can pout, 'til a man gets downright silly. And now the wife was snoozing; she was really sacked out She wouldn't have awoke from less than a shout. Yes, her in her nightgown, I in my BVDs, We had finally settled down to catch some Zs; When off in the kitchen there arose such a clatter, I rolled from the bed to see what was the matter. Away down the hall, my head in a muddle, I reached the kitchen...and stepped in a puddle. The glow from a nightlight illuminated the room, So how come I stumbled over the broom? I fell in a sprawl, my legs were not stable. On the way down, my nose hit the table. My head was a spinnin' and when I came to rest Four miniature dog feet stood on my chest. With a lick and a bark, she bounded away, Into the living room, she ran to play. More rapid than mouses, that rat terrier ran, Me on the follow, rolled newspaper in hand. "Stop, Skeeter! Stop, Dog! Stop, Pup! Halt, Pooch! Halt, Girl! Oh, come'ere, you mutt! "Get off the new couch! Now let go of that curtain! Ohhh...If I ever catch you, you're gonna' be hurtin'" As winds of a Texas tornado do fly, She spun round the room, down low and up high. Then up on the countertop, that puppy went She stopped for a second. I thought she was spent. I make a quick lunge, she ducked me and then Yawned when I dove through the flour bin. As I drew out my head and was turning around, She made for the presents, in a single bound. I was covered with flour, from my head to my toes, My robe in tatters, and blood on my nose. A bag full of toys, she grabbed with glee; I nabbed her, I thought, but instead got the tree. The ornaments, they broke, as they began to fall; The lights, how they fizzled, and that is not all. When I reached for the plug, to turn the bulbs out, What flowed through my body, but electricity, so stout! As smoke encircled my head like a wreath, That dog held my big toe, tight in her teeth. "Skeeter," I moaned, "I give up. Oh, Skeet, I give in." So she bit my swollen nose, and nipped at my chin. She spoke not a word, but went back to work, Down came the stockings; it took just a jerk. Then up from the hall, came the sound of feet, Momma, it seemed was awake from her sleep. "Now you'll get it pup," I announced with glee. Then Skeeter walked over and put her little head on my knee. She looked up at my wife - so innocent - and at me, so, so sad. And it didn't take long, to know I'd been had. Then came the wife's voice, so strong and so clear, "Bill, you leave that puppy alone! You hear!" And I exclaimed to myself, as they walked out with a strut, "Don't leave any gifts, Santa; just PICK UP THE MUTT!" --=====================_914113829==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=====================_914113829==_-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 12:49:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:49:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: "M. Savad" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:43:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981219144320.006ba0b0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1998Dec19.0857.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi, I went to the site and saw the lamps.... noticed that the web site hypertext address took me to the page that was also offering bonsai plants.... for under $30.00.......don't buy those either !! Using the same logis as the lamps... it takes a very long long time to nurture a bonsai plant . There is no way that good quality plants can be sold for that money. (Bonsai is another hobby/interest of mine) Barbara At 10:05 AM 12/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >Carol Tombro wrote: >> >> QVC was on in the morning (I was going to surprise Patrick with a new >> diamonique tiara) and there was an hour presentation of stained glass >> lamps, all purporting to be American glass, but no mention of where they >> were made. The glass did look to be middle of the road, not great but >> also not bad, and the workmanship also looked to be done pretty well. >> But, when they mentioned a particular style had previously sold out and >> it had consisted of 30,000 lamps in that style, it's clear someone >> making 25 cents/hour or less had constructed them. I can't imagine how >> many people they would have working. The man who was representing the >> glass company - and it's name was never mentioned, but his was, Pelcher >> something or other, went on to tell how the lamps were all made on molds >> and then turned over and soldered on the back. To be honest, I can't >> buy glass and a base for what he was selling those lamps, much less put >> it together, and it's hard to explain to someone why something I made >> isn't as cheap as QVC or one of the other shows. They explain the >> process so that it appears so simple, labor intensive to be sure, but >> when a mold is mentioned, I think that's the magic word. Put the glass >> in a mold and it'll come out finished. A dragonfly lamp sold out at >> $276 and it looked so beautiful, I had been tempted to order it just to >> save myself the angst of making one myself. How can they sell these >> lamps, base and all for $87 and under for the most part? Is offshore >> labor that cheap? Has anyone been affected in their business by this? >> A woman was in our studio/store store last week and walked out with a >> suncatcher the owner had made, saying "I never expected to be paying $25 >> for a suncatcher". No one forced her, but she was clearly "ticked off" >> for some reason. Now another woman walked in wanting a panel of a >> sunset for her beach home. We gave her a price of $800 and she said >> "fine". It's a simple piece, but with the right glass we know she'll be >> happy with it. I guess I'm wondering if only special commissions will >> survive because I can't see how a business with lamps as their focus can >> compete with the inexpensive ones, unless certain people know what they >> are paying for and don't complain or compare. >> >> Carol T >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >how about that, they said that the last group of lamps were the last for >the year. lately QVC's glass quality and uniqness has improved quite a >bit. all the glass is spectrum, and they probably get it iin huge >quantities. to reduce cutting costs, it would'nt supprise me if they use >a water cutter of some kind. the foiling is probably done with a machine >(but by hand). and the molds can be used over and over. as for labor >thir probably using slaves. they work cheap... > >what always amazed me most about the presention, was the fact they kept >mentioning the pieces. this lamp has over 200 pieces, "wow", the ditsy >lady says, "that's to many", and this is how they judge quality. the >foil is 1/4" with huge gaps. and when the lamp is turned on alot of the >colors wash out. > >i'm not even going to talk about the people calling in, always in awe >over the work... > >since this has been going on for at least for around 5-8 years now on >that channel, i don't think it will put a huge dent in this market. >chances are if you have one of those people buying stuff from you they >are going to be real picky and fussy. they found out how exspensive >custom glass is, and that's why their buying all their junk from TV. >they don't relize that they can pick out their own colors, pattern, and >the like. and at the end get a one of a kind work.... > >oh well... another way to look at it is, does the jewelry they sell >effect the jewelers market? probably not... > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview >of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 13:06:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:25:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "tuka" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:13:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.81348.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Sheila, How about a QVC bio from you? Its inexpensive, is not mass marketed, and no one will go on TV and comment about you. Sock it to me TUKA. My email is pkelly@n-link.com Happy Holidays. -----Original Message----- From: tuka To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 12:38 PM Subject: QVC "Tiffany style" lamps >Go here for a closer look >http://www.qvc.com/frames/ddframe1100.html > >Not worth even the low price, IMHO > >Shiela > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 13:37:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:46:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik3 From: Beadnik3@webtv.net (J B) To: "pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net (Paula Smith-Lane) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1333307075-2670 Subject: Re: Dremel for drillin' Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:44:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec19.10440.0> References: <<"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net>> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1333307075-2670 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I drill holes in thin fusible glass, (for earrings) all the time. I use a small plastic dish (like an old Cool-Whip container), lined with a few layers of some of that thin foam that glass is wrapped in for shipping. I put enough water in so that it just covers the glass when you put pressure on it. I invested in a small drill press for the dremel....that has made the job much easier for me. They are available at places like Home Depot and are only about $50... if you think you will be doing much drilling, that's the way to go. I use tiny diamond coated drills that I get at Rio Grande (a jewelry supply catalog). Mine are not very expensive.... (they do wear out after about 50-75 holes)... they come either 3 or 5 to a package, and come to about $2 per drill bit. Until you get the drill press, put a small piece of masking tape where the hole will go (prevents the skittering). Use a fairly slow speed... my variable-speed dremel is usually set at about the number 2-3. Start your hole out at an angle (about 45 degrees) and gradually straighten it out. Every five seconds or so (I just count to five), lift the drill out to allow water to get under the drill bit. Use minimal but steady pressure... try to keep the drill as straight as possible. I find the foam under the glass cushions the drill bit when it goes all the way through, and flare is minimal. I always drill from the "good" side to the back. Hope this helps! Feel free to e-mail me if you have any other questions. Joan Beadnik Jewelry Creations Connecticut --WebTV-Mail-1333307075-2670 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.91) by postoffice-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:52:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from bftoemail12.bigfoot.com (bftoemail12.bigfoot.com [208.156.39.212]) by mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id MAA26365; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from daver.bungi.com ([207.126.97.2]) by bftoemail6.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 with message handle 981218_155220_1_bftoemail6_smtp; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:52:20 -0500 for beadnik2@bigfoot.com Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:49:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: epix.net!"pmsl@epix.net" From: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Dremel for drillin' Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <199812181948.OAA05702@lima.epix.net> Organization: Prefered Customer Precedence: bulk Hi all, A few weeks ago there was a thread regarding drilling holes in glass. The dremel was mentioned as a good tool for this task. So I went to Sears and bought one.(Craftsman rotary tool; 5000-30,000 rpm).Problem is, I haven't been able to successfully drill a hole in the glass. Burnt up one diamond bit, broke several scrap pieces of glass. Please, whom ever has been using the dremel, e-mail me privately with the specifics of drilling. TIA. Paula ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-1333307075-2670-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 14:08:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:08:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: ctombro@InfoAve.Net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:05:47 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec19.21547.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/19/98 6:03:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, ctombro@InfoAve.Net writes: << happy with it. I guess I'm wondering if only special commissions will survive because I can't see how a business with lamps as their focus can compete with the inexpensive ones, unless certain people know what they are paying for and don't complain or compare. >> Living in California, I've seen inexpensive, lamps, stepping stones and panels. In fact several years ago, I went to a gallery just off Union St. The prices were so low, I didn't do any stained glass for two years. Unfortunately only a stained glass craftsperson can make judgements about the quality, it's all the same to a consumer. Since the consumer doesn't know or care, I've seen local craftspeople skimp on their quality as well. For selling sun catchers and small items, I think the best comprimise is to simplify the pattern and try to sell them as inexpensively as possible. In my recent first craft show experience, I spent a long tiime talking and observing a successful booth. The guy said if you have a good mix, people that want the cheap stuff buy that, and then don't try to negotiate the more expensive items. I agree that custom work is the only place where you can charge artisan prices. The cheap skates use that glue on lead stuff. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 15:36:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812192245.RAA20981@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Believe them when they say 30,000? No, but they still must have sold a good > deal of them at $59.57 or whatever it was. Cheap labor, glass in bulk, and > people who want a stained glass "look" will contribute to its' popularity and > they'll just go on selling the stuff. True, Carol. There's no end to poor taste nor to those who'll buy stuff made with it. But those who appreciate well-made objects and who are willing to pay for it do exist. It's tough waiting for them to appear, but they will. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 17:06:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:06:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "all" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: What, no help? Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:04:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.12430.0> Precedence: bulk Whats the problem no one is asking for help anymore? Well unless somebody asks I'm not going to offer. I refuse to help (he says with tongue in cheek). Are the lurkers gun shy? Come on all is forgiven. The artisans are waiting and best of all its free. The group seems to be responding to the NG thing. Albert, I'm giving up on the first first million dollars and am now going to work on the second. (8-) Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 17:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:12:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG: Just so "E" knows Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:10:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec19.121054.0> Precedence: bulk HOW TO IDENTIFY WHERE A DRIVER IS FROM: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One hand on wheel, one hand on horn: Chicago >> One hand on wheel, one finger out window: New York >> One hand on wheel, one hand on newspaper, foot solidly on accelerator: Boston >> One hand on wheel, cradling cell phone,brick on accelerator: California. With gun in lap: L.A. >> Both hands on wheel, eyes shut, both feet on brake, quivering in terror: Ohio, but driving in California. >> Both hands in air, gesturing, both feet on accelerator, head turned to talk to someone in back seat: Italy >> One hand on latt=E9, one knee on wheel, cradling cell phone, foot on brake, mind on game: Seattle >> One hand on wheel, one hand on hunting rifle, alternating between both feet being on the accelerator and both on the brake, throwing a McDonalds bag out the window: Texas city male >> One hand constantly refocusing the rear-view mirror to show different angles of the BIG hair, one hand going between mousse, brush, and rat-tail to keep the helmet hair going, both feet on the accelerator, poodle steering the car, chrome .38 revolver with mother of pearl inlaid handle in the glove compartment: Texas female >> Both hands on steering wheel in a relaxed posture, eyes constantly checking the rear-view mirror to watch for visible emissions from their own or another's car: Colorado >> One hand on steering wheel, yelling obscenities, the other hand waving gun out the window and firing repeatedly, keeping a careful eye out for landmarks along the way so as to be able to come back and pick up any bullets that didn't hit other motorists so as not to litter: Colorado resident on spotting a car with Texas plate. >> Four wheel drive pickup truck, shotgun mounted in rear window, beer cans on floor, squirrel tails attached to antenna: West Virginia mal= e. >> Junker, driven by someone who previously had a nice car and who is now wearing a barrel: Las Vegas >> Two hands gripping wheel, blue hair barely visible above window level, driving 35 on the interstate in the left lane with the left blinker on: Florida "seasoned citizen" driver, also known as "no-see-ums" >> Two hands on the wheel, driving forty-five in a seventy mph zone in the left lane, with the left turn signal on, and making a right turn: New Mexico resident >> Reading a voter's pamphlet & trying to decide how to vote "this time" on the assisted suicide law which has come up for vote for the 47369282nd time, while keeping one eye on oncoming cars in order to pull = out in front at the last possible moment, while keeping the other eye open fo= r mudslides caused by 73209589 straight months of rain: Oregon Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 17:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:34:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!moondancer44 From: "Linda Johnson" To: shakeel@tm.net.my, glass@bungi.com, Yegnim@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: purchasing supplies Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:34:27 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec20.03427.0> Precedence: bulk I order from both W-C and Delphi. With Delphi I do have an account for wholesale prices. But I found that one company is better in prices than the other depending on what you're looking at to order. Usually what I do, is write up a list of items needed and compare prices from one company to the other, decide how to split up my order and order from both companies. I've found that I've been able to save quite a bit this way even if it is a pain in the ****, at times. I checked with W-C about wholesale pricing but their minimum was just way to high. Of course you do need a business number to do this. Linda >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Fri Dec 18 06:03:27 1998 >Received: from [207.126.97.7] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail3091442596880543506532502348116608712450; Fri Dec 18 06:03:27 1998 >Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA08009; > Fri, 18 Dec 1998 05:59:51 -0800 (PST) >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:16:25 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim >From: Yegnim@aol.com >To: shakeel@tm.net.my, glass@bungi.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: Re: purchasing supplies >Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:12:16 EST >Message-ID: <1998Dec18.121216.0> >Precedence: bulk > >Hi Shakeel! > >Just have to mention that the prices at W-C are much better than Delphi the >last time I checked. Shakeel, you really should compare catalog prices before >you make a purchase. > >Sincerely, >Lenore >P.S. No, I do not work for W-C, just an informed consumer. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 19 22:36:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:39:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Just so "E" knows Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:21:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.132110.0> References: <<1998Dec19.121054.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Pat Kelly wrote: > > HOW TO IDENTIFY WHERE A DRIVER IS FROM: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > One hand on wheel, one hand on horn: Chicago > >> > One hand on wheel, one finger out window: New York > >> > One hand on wheel, one hand on newspaper, foot solidly > on accelerator: Boston > >> > One hand on wheel, cradling cell phone,brick on accelerator: > California. With gun in lap: L.A. > >> > Both hands on wheel, eyes shut, both feet on brake, quivering > in terror: Ohio, but driving in California. > >> > Both hands in air, gesturing, both feet on accelerator, head > turned to talk to someone in back seat: Italy > >> > One hand on latt=E9, one knee on wheel, cradling cell phone, foot on > brake, mind on game: Seattle > >> > One hand on wheel, one hand on hunting rifle, alternating between > both feet being on the accelerator and both on the brake, throwing > a McDonalds bag out the window: Texas city male > >> > One hand constantly refocusing the rear-view mirror to show > different angles of the BIG hair, one hand going between mousse, > brush, and rat-tail to keep the helmet hair going, both feet on the > accelerator, poodle steering the car, chrome .38 revolver with > mother of pearl inlaid handle in the glove compartment: Texas female > >> > Both hands on steering wheel in a relaxed posture, eyes constantly > checking the rear-view mirror to watch for visible emissions from > their own or another's car: Colorado > >> > One hand on steering wheel, yelling obscenities, the other hand > waving gun out the window and firing repeatedly, keeping a careful > eye out for landmarks along the way so as to be able to come back > and pick up any bullets that didn't hit other motorists so as not > to litter: Colorado resident on spotting a car with Texas plate. > >> > Four wheel drive pickup truck, shotgun mounted in rear window, > beer cans on floor, squirrel tails attached to antenna: West Virginia mal= > e. > >> > Junker, driven by someone who previously had a nice car and > who is now wearing a barrel: Las Vegas > >> > Two hands gripping wheel, blue hair barely visible above window > level, driving 35 on the interstate in the left lane with the left > blinker on: Florida "seasoned citizen" driver, also known as "no-see-ums" > >> > Two hands on the wheel, driving forty-five in a seventy mph zone > in the left lane, with the left turn signal on, and making a right > turn: New Mexico resident > >> > Reading a voter's pamphlet & trying to decide how to vote "this time" > on the assisted suicide law which has come up for vote for the > 47369282nd time, while keeping one eye on oncoming cars in order to pull = > out > in front at the last possible moment, while keeping the other eye open fo= > r > mudslides caused by 73209589 straight months of rain: Oregon > > Patrick > Roses and Rainbows > > ---- >hey Patrick, you left out Idaho!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 03:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:16:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Dbkstudio From: Dbkstudio@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 05:16:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec20.10161.0> Precedence: bulk QVC glass is nothing more than a verification that there is a huge market out there waiting to be tapped. The more "artglass" that QVC sells the more your own "artglass" becomes in demand to your market because it helps to verify the uniqueness of your work. Once you have established your reputation as a glass artist then your work becomes more and more accepted in the market and clients who are able to know the difference and who care about quality choose to buy your Mercedes rather than QVC's Ford Escort. A product is greatly stabilized and legitimized when it becomes (in some form) available to the masses. So, the more QVC sells the more we get to sell! Donna the Lurker DBK Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 06:36:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 05:59:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Lamps - even worse than QVC Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:58:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec20.135836.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/19/98 9:03:43 AM, ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: >QVC was on in the morning (I was going to surprise Patrick with a new >diamonique tiara) and there was an hour presentation of stained glass >lamps, all purporting to be American glass, but no mention of where they >were made. [...] How can they sell these >lamps, base and all for $87 and under for the most part? Cheap foreign labor, I'm sure. Of course the trouble with seeing something like that on TV is: you really can't get a good idea of the quality of the glass *or* the workmanship. Still, I'm pretty sure they're better than what I saw in K-Mart the other day - little "bedside lamp" size fake Tiffanys. 8" dome shades, fairly simple generic floral, on "antique brass" bases. When I took a closer look, I saw that the shades were made of clear glass with colors screen-printed on the inside surface! And the bases were awful - the 2 halves of the mold weren't anywhere near lined up. These disasters were "regularly $26.99, special $13.99" or some such silliness. Too bad the bases were so horrible, if they'd been decent I might have been tempted to pick up a couple of the lamps, then pitch the shades and make decent ones. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 08:05:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:22:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: problem with this address "Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd." Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.52011.0> References: <<1998Oct15.141340.0>> Precedence: bulk has anyone else been getting multi repeats from this address "Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd." ? every so often i get several dozen back messages from this address (from my morn@nac.net address). i can't figure out why. so i'm writing this here, wondering if other's are going through this. and the person is watching can you contact your ISP and find out what's going on... thanks ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 08:15:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:24:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: 2 soldering irons Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:16:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.51614.0> Precedence: bulk i want to get a new iron. in W-C they have a Mika for about 20 bucks, nevre used one and was wondering if anyone has used it. there is also the weller soldering gun. i want the gun more because of the abillity to turn it on and off without fear of it burning out. mainly i want to know truely how hot they are, how long they last, etc. i'm going to use these for tacking my lamp and other 3-d's. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 08:36:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:36:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Lamps - even worse than QVC Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:30:25 -0000 Message-ID: <199812201530.KAA13552@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 12/19/98 9:03:43 AM, ctombro@InfoAve.Net wrote: > >>QVC was on in the morning (I was going to surprise Patrick with a new >>diamonique tiara) and there was an hour presentation of stained glass >>lamps, all purporting to be American glass, but no mention of where they >>were made. [...] How can they sell these >>lamps, base and all for $87 and under for the most part? > Sparks replied? >Cheap foreign labor, I'm sure. > >Of course the trouble with seeing something like that on TV is: you really >can't get a good idea of the quality of the glass *or* the workmanship. > >Still, I'm pretty sure they're better than what I saw in K-Mart the other day >- little "bedside lamp" size fake Tiffanys. 8" dome shades, fairly simple >generic floral, on "antique brass" bases. When I took a closer look, I saw >that the shades were made of clear glass with colors screen-printed on the >inside surface! And the bases were awful - the 2 halves of the mold weren't >anywhere near lined up. > >These disasters were "regularly $26.99, special $13.99" or some such >silliness. Too bad the bases were so horrible, if they'd been decent I might >have been tempted to pick up a couple of the lamps, then pitch the shades and >make decent ones. Was in my local lighting store recently. They had a huge line of lamps, nightlights, etc. all from "Quoitzel" of North Carolina. They really weren't bad. Some unusual things - a lampshade made from little (2") real tortoise shells interspersed with nuggets. (Couldn't help but see the poor turtles running around without their shells.) Some great dragonfly lamps. Prices around 3-700. Some nightlights looked pretty from a distance but turned out to be painted - prairie types, handsome designs, light as a feather. If I didn't know better would have bought one. Fun browsing, though. Probably quality a step up from QVC. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 08:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:40:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: epix.net!"pmsl@epix.net" From: Paula Smith-Lane <"pmsl@epix.net"@epix.net> To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Drilling in Glass TY Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:35:24 -0500 Message-ID: <199812201538.KAA24018@lima.epix.net> Organization: Prefered Customer Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who responded to the dremel question. All responses were helpful. Will let you all know how I make out when I try again. I have several pieces "in progress". Was watching the PCN channel (a Pennsylvania channel) last evening. It was a tour of Youghiogheny. Very interesting and informative. I may just have to get out there this summer. Thanks again to all the bungi experts. As always very helpful to us amateurs! Paula ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 10:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:31:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Ed Rogers Subject: 1. Thanks/Request 2. Back-lighting a Panel Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:29:09 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.17299.0> References: <<1998Dec15.0274.0@?>> Precedence: bulk OK Ed, I'm not expert at this, but I haven't seen much else here, so I'll give my opinion. When we try to create an effect of daylight, there are at least two elements of importance - colour and diffusion. -daylight fluorescent tubes will deal with colour. -diffusion is usually dealt with by incorporating diffusers into the installation. Diffusers are important, but they are not the whole answer as you have found. I think our problem most often comes from trying to put too much light into our installations. I live in the north of Europe, same latitude as Moscow, the middle of Hudson bay, a little south of Anchorage or the southern tip of Greenland. The remains of the Gulf Stream keep us warm, but brings a lot of grey, overcast skies. Stained glass looks great even in these overcast conditions. True, we don't often get the great blue and red shadows as at Chartres, but during the occasional sunshine the colours sing. So, glass can show the colours even in low light conditions. So first, reduce hot spots by reducing the intensity of the light. Second, reduce the density of the glass used. You will find that in many climates effected by overcast skies, the glasses are much less intense in colour than in tropical or sub tropical climates where there is much more direct sunlight. My reaction to much of glass in the USA is "garish" The colours are bright & and probably are suited to the intensity of the light, but are not what I am used to. A panel can be designed to be its own diffuser, as it were. Denser glasses can be put near the light sources, and more transparent glasses in the areas away from the light to get a colour balance across the whole when lit. Of course, if there is to be balance both lit and unlit, this won't work. Although Youg. and some Bullseye translucent glasses are good in diffusing light, they don't eliminate hotspots. A further way of reducing hot spots is to reduce the lighting of the room, so the contrast between the lit cabinet door panel and the duller room is greater. If it is a kitchen, this won't work. Alternatively, use the hot spots as design features. Design of back lit panels must start with the light source intensity known from both the front and back of the panel. Does it have to be seen in reflected and transmitted or only transmitted light? What space is available for electrical and diffuser installations? As you can see, There are a number of things that could be tried, but I don't have enough information from you to be able to give a specific answer. With more information from you , I may be able to offer more specific solutions. Steve In message <1998Dec15.0274.0@?>, Ed Rogers writes > I would appreciate advice on back-lighting a panel which has been >inserted in a cabinet door. I have tried several combinations of lighting >and opaque inserts between the lights and the panel, but continue to get hot >spots. I'm trying to achieve as much of the look as possible, that one gets >when placing a panel in front of daylight. > >Thank you, > >****************************** > E-mail from: Ed Rogers > EJR929@LVCM.COM >****************************** > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 11:07:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:13:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------44300303BB4F27BBDF1BC73F" Subject: [Fwd: Mostly NG Re: What, no help?] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:11:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.81114.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------44300303BB4F27BBDF1BC73F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------44300303BB4F27BBDF1BC73F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <367D3D93.5F23E45A@ct2.nai.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:10:28 -0500 From: Family Account X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Kelly Subject: Mostly NG Re: What, no help? References: <1998Dec19.12430.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, HELP! I have presents to wrap, cookies to bake (which requires a bank loan to buy the butter), floors to sweep, carpets to vaccuum... Plus two mosaics to make for presents. I'll be cutting glass this afternoon. Hve to finish the patterns right now. Who wants to come over and help? Dorothy K Pat Kelly wrote: > Whats the problem no one is asking for help anymore? Well unless somebody > asks I'm not going to offer. I refuse to help (he says with tongue in > cheek). > --------------44300303BB4F27BBDF1BC73F-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 11:37:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:57:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 1999 Glass Trends predictions Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:55:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.85532.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dani Greer >By the way, if you didn't sell products with "1998" on them this year, add some "1999" stock next year. You'll sell like crazy. And if my personal experience with Commonwheel Holiday Market (the co-op I belong to) is any indication, S.G. mobiles could be a hot seller in the coming year.< I also made & sold 2 s.g. mobiles this year. Can't keep the chili pepper mobile in stock. Did a (3) flamingo one which I Loved! I hadn't thought about the "end of the millinium" 1999 stuff, but that's a good idea, Dani. IMHO, angels are pase. Mosaics are "In" in a big way. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 12:05:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:16:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lamps - even worse than QVC Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:25:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.72519.0> References: <<199812201530.KAA13552@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk > Some unusual things - a lampshade made from little (2") real > tortoise shells interspersed with nuggets. (Couldn't help but see the > poor turtles running around without their shells.) I thought it was illegal to sell *any*thing in the US made of Tortoise shell? Tulsa Suzanne -- ~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 13:06:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:28:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Mosfunland@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NONGLASS! mo/style Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:28:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec20.42810.0> References: <<1998Dec18.18530.0>> Precedence: bulk Maureen: What fun to read your poem. Great talent! Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 13:36:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:54:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:53:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec20.4536.0> References: <<1998Dec19.0857.0>> Precedence: bulk Yes, Carol, I too want to know how they do it. When I am asked about lamps, I tell people I will do panel lamps but I usually refer them to Home Base or another lighting company that sells stained glass Tiffany stype lamps. I simply will not sell them for less that value and I know people don't want to pay more than 350-400 for such lamps. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 14:04:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:17:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 1999 Glass Trends predictions Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:16:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec20.5165.0> References: <<1998Dec20.85532.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie: Thanks for sharing the 1999 Glass Trends predictions. I would like to hear from others about their 1999 predictions. Anything about kaleidoscopes? Also, wondered what kind of price tags the mobiles have. I thought of the chili peppers and flamingos wondering if the price is 3-4 times what a single suncatcher would be. Most of all, I liked the predictions. I for one will use your predictions to start planning next year's lesson plans. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 14:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:23:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: shad@mail2.nai.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Fwd: Mostly NG Re: What, no help?] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:21:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec20.212138.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/20/98 2:07:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, shad@mail2.nai.net writes: > Who wants to come over and help? > Hey Dorothy, Send a plane ticket, I'll be there as fast as I can, have spent the weekend cleaning the kitchen and baking cookies. Shortbread is in the oven as I type. Glass cutting starts tonight. Ahhh, don't ya love the holiday rush??? Do I need to bring my own scotch tape for the gift wrapping? Ok, shortbread out of the oven, oatmeal cookies went in, I have a waiting line for the oven. If I find some extra time on Thursday I am going to make the stained glass cookies that have been mentioned here. If I go help Dorothy will someone send out Christmas cards for me? Do me a favor and enclose one of those cheery holiday letters about the kid's accomplishments, no one is in prison on drugs or in pregnant, what else could the relatives need to know? Oh, that reminds me, Suzanne de Tulsa, I was able to open the pics of your glass in another program, how did you make the eyes and buttons on the snowman? I was pleased to see your work, I sometimes stick the glass right on the scanner and get fascinating results. Actually I often get fascinating results in the things I do. Back to the oven, take care all, don't work too hard. patric(IA) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 14:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:54:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:53:23 -0800 Message-ID: <199812202153.NAA18705@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk As I've been fitting glass this afternoon and pondering further the questio of balancing a stained glass business with the Christmas "silly season", I've come up with a new thought. I know we have a lot of intelligent thinking women (and men...some of whom we wonder about...those in tiaras and tutututs???) on this group. Dorothy...this line of thought was brought about your post which was a plea for help doing houseowrk and baking cookies. The question I have for you is WHY ISN'T YOUR HUSBAND DOING 50% of this...can't he vacuum while you cut glass. Does he not have 2 arms and legs...(Not meant as an attack on him personally, just using him as an example of the "privileged" American male). Is the "silly season" hype not just another representation of WASP male privilege...men expect a decorated home, a beer, their football games, a turkey so they can sit back and belch aafterwords...how many of them actually help prepare the home and meal for the big belching event? How many do the dishes afterwards...I can tell ya right now...close to zero...that's why it's hardly worth keeping one around. So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another form of female exploitation?????? This seems like a reah AH-HA to me and I can't believe that no one's ever seen it before. Or maybe it's some kind of sacred cow because we're supposed to be all lovey dovey and harmonious at this time of year...sort of like no one talked about domestic abuse 10 years ago and now women aren't putting up with that shit anymore. I'd love feedbak on this...I'm going to start writing some editorial and press releases now for next Christmas as a way of bringing this issue to the fore... Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 14:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:56:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 1999 Glass Trends predictions Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:54:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.115433.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie- I tell you, mobiles will be hot. But, just so everyone knows, I have = dibs on the flying pig mobile!! Cheers! Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 14:54:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:38:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: stained glass businesses and balance Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:36:32 -0800 Message-ID: <199812202136.NAA16235@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Okay, HELP! >I have presents to wrap, cookies to bake (which requires a bank loan to buy the >butter), floors to sweep, carpets to vaccuum... >Plus two mosaics to make for presents. I'll be cutting glass this afternoon. >Hve to finish the patterns right now. > >Who wants to come over and help? Not me...since I've been "doing Christmas" since my first show on November 5, I have officially declared it to be "over" for me. Although I will show up at the requisitie turkey dinner because I like to eat turkey, I have not started to buy presents and have decided that no one's getting any this year since I'm not about to start fighting crowds. I have phoned everyone who's coming to dinner and told them what to bring and that they'll be doing all the work when they get there if they want to eat. Neither am I going to do baking or entertaining. Instead I'm taking a sanity break...am just going to finish the 2 commissions I've promised by Christmas Eve and then go do whatever I want and my family can do whatever they want...they'll just have to be responsible for their own Christmas. What I want involves going to the beach and also sitting quietly in my house. I would recommend that all bungians also take this sanity break and carry on with life as usual...acknowledge that we do close to 50% of our income in the month before Christmas, and delegate Christmas to folk that aren't so busy...why should we all try and be everything to everyone. It's not a grinch thing...it's just a reaction to all the overhype of the "silly season". Let's be reasonable and put ourselves first (after glass) for a change. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 15:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:00:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:53:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.125310.0> Precedence: bulk At the risk of crossing the boundry...Poor Carol...It must be awful to be overworked and under appreciated....I agree with you...I now feel very guilty about the way I use my Bride... Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 5:40 PM Subject: Christmas and exploitation of women NG >As I've been fitting glass this afternoon and pondering further the questio >of balancing a stained glass business with the Christmas "silly season", >I've come up with a new thought. > >I know we have a lot of intelligent thinking women (and men...some of whom >we wonder about...those in tiaras and tutututs???) on this group. >Dorothy...this line of thought was brought about your post which was a plea >for help doing houseowrk and baking cookies. > >The question I have for you is WHY ISN'T YOUR HUSBAND DOING 50% of >this...can't he vacuum while you cut glass. Does he not have 2 arms and >legs...(Not meant as an attack on him personally, just using him as an >example of the "privileged" American male). > >Is the "silly season" hype not just another representation of WASP male >privilege...men expect a decorated home, a beer, their football games, a >turkey so they can sit back and belch aafterwords...how many of them >actually help prepare the home and meal for the big belching event? How many >do the dishes afterwards...I can tell ya right now...close to zero...that's >why it's hardly worth keeping one around. > >So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another form of >female exploitation?????? > >This seems like a reah AH-HA to me and I can't believe that no one's ever >seen it before. Or maybe it's some kind of sacred cow because we're >supposed to be all lovey dovey and harmonious at this time of year...sort of >like no one talked about domestic abuse 10 years ago and now women aren't >putting up with that shit anymore. > >I'd love feedbak on this...I'm going to start writing some editorial and >press releases now for next Christmas as a way of bringing this issue to the >fore... > >Carol > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 16:04:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:09:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Definitely NG:Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.1383.0> Precedence: bulk I hate to break this to you, dear Carol.... but, Christmas hype was invented by women! If I learned nothing else in my first marriage, it was this: My = husband didn't do as much work as me because he wasn't living up to *my agenda! We think the place needs to be cleaned once a week, men think once a year is enough! We want = houses that Martha S. would envy... most men could give a rat's patoot. The solution is simple: if you want Christmas decorations and home-baked cookies... do it and enjoy the process. This year, my Christmas decoration is a couple of poinsettias, a candle or two, and a few hand-made ornaments hangin' around. If I did nothing, my husband wouldn't = complain... in fact, I think he likes it simpler alot better. He knows where the stove is and how to bake. In fact, most of the men in my family have pretty much the same attitude. The truth is... women have created all this hoopla and created the expectations that men may = or may NOT have!! Prove it to yourself... stop DOING all that stuff, be more like one of the guys, and I'll bet you you'll be surprised that alot of the menfolk don't complain at all!! Surprise! Here's my solution to housekeeping. Both partners go out and make a lot of money.... and hire a maid to do the icky stuff. Simple. Great for the economy, too, because it creates another job! Happy simple holidays! ;-) Dani Greer (who knows that exploitation requires a volunteer.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 16:14:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:26:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: stained glass businesses and balance Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.132330.0> Precedence: bulk You got me thinking on this one, Carol. We really don't make most of our money over Christmas usually. Half of our yearly income is earned over the summer months which are usually frantic. It ordinarily slows = down progressively past Christmas and into the first quarter of the year when sometimes we can actually = work on some spec pieces or contributions to shows. This holiday season has only been frantic because of the church restoration - this was an easy six months worth of work to slam through less than three. We have a new rule at the Greer Studios.... if it's a rush job, the cost is double. Fortunately, we charged that on this job so no complaints, but I sure don't want to work this many = hours year-round. Happy hols, Dani Greer (who's now thinking maybe turkey on Friday would be okay = since we had bratwurst on Thanksgiving.... hmmmm....mmmmmmm! Question is, how do I keep Michael OUT of the kitchen long enough to create my masterpiece without tripping over him while he's creating HIS masterpiece... we both love to cook.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 16:36:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:46:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass - QVC Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:45:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199812202345.SAA26910@smtp4.erols.com> Precedence: bulk I saw a special on the home shopping channel with the company president of the tiffany style glass lamps..It was a Mexican company, uses spectrum glass and cuts with a huge machine that automatically cuts multiple pieces (pantograph?). As much as possible is automated. The rest of course is labor intensive, but in an area where labor is cheap! The production is assembly line style with specialized workers. very fast. Not quality to our eyes, but those purchasers wouldn't spend more. As has been pointed out already, it still brings stained glass into public awareness. I found the shows where I sold the most work were the ones that had other glass crafters...Kind of set the mood for people to think about buying glass! Dee...Patuxent Studios At 12:53 PM 12/20/98 -0800, you wrote: >Yes, Carol, I too want to know how they do it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 18:06:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:02:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:59:58 -0800 Message-ID: <199812210059.QAA14637@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >>>So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another >form of >female exploitation?????? << > >Never thought of it that way. >Odds are you will be doing something else next Christmas. Actually Bob, odds are I will be spreading this information next year and trying to get more women to see Christmas from the feminist point of view. I've been a feminist for the past 25 years...reread my resume to see just how many "first woman to" achievements I have under my belt...challenging the male establishment is nothing new to me. I've also spent years reading literature on women and womens rights. I've just never seen Christmas quite this way before...I feel like I'm seeing Christmas with different eyes and it's VERY exciting!!! Perhaps another area where I can make a difference!! And it's not that I'm overworked and projecting this to the group. It was actually Dorothy's post that started me thinking...she's overworked with everything she "has" to do...so I asked myself...who's making her do this? Why is she running herself ragged. My answer...the expectations society has for a family at Christmas. Since society is/has been male dominated for hundreds of years (except in the odd matriarchal society around the world) I do lay this at the feet of men. Can't believe that I just never put it together this way before. I think women need to be aware of the fact that a male constructed society has these expectations, and that they need to STOP and decide whether they really need to do all these things...much as Dani stated. and here I agree with Dani...women fall prey very easily to the treadmill of "shoulds/oughts/and supposed tos" that society will place upon them if women allow themselves to. Someone needs to stand up and shout from the rooftops...hey women...get it together...dont' run yourself ragged just because WASP society tries to make you... Think about it...only do what you need to...after all you can buy cookies in a fraction of the time it takes to make them (Dee's suggestion), hire a maid to vacuum (Dani's suggestion) (and my suggestions would be to do that AFTER the guests have made dropped their storebought cookie crumbs and left). And for the guys who do help out around the house, great...now to help cultural change...a question for you guys...do you challenge the guys down at the bar or at work when they make jokes demeaning to women...do you let them know that that kind of talk just isn't acceptable in the 90s? The poster who said cultural change comes slowly is totally right...it's one incident, and one person speaking up at a time that creates change!! Perhaps these posts might just help get one guy up off the couch or help one of our bungi members simplify their CHristmas a bit. And to whoever suggested my faith in men might be restored...please know that I do have faith in men...faith that they'll be high maintenance; faith that they'll want attention when I'm busy; faith that they'll cramp my freedom; faith that they'll find the hardest possible way to do something; faith that they'll become a royal pain in the butt. Since I know how to use tools and have a warm blanket, why would I want one? Cool discussion...and it's even bringing out the lurkers :) C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 18:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:02:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "all" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:01:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.13135.0> Precedence: bulk <> Hey, hey. I resemble that remark. I'm happy you all are still wondering the trick is working. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 18:30:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:10:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:08:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.15822.0> References: <<199812202153.NAA18705@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > I know we have a lot of intelligent thinking women (and men...some of whom > we wonder about...those in tiaras and tutututs???) on this group. > Dorothy...this line of thought was brought about your post which was a plea > for help doing houseowrk and baking cookies. > > The question I have for you is WHY ISN'T YOUR HUSBAND DOING 50% of > this...can't he vacuum while you cut glass. Does he not have 2 arms and > legs...(Not meant as an attack on him personally, just using him as an > example of the "privileged" American male). > > ...etc... > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > Okay, since I started this...John has also spent the day cutting glass, working on the mosaic frames in the cold garage, doing laundry and dishes...I could never manage my schedule without a partner. If I am exploited, it by my own expectations of the holidays (I do love Christmas and do have great memories, and...whoops, John is washing my cookie sheets and I'm not done with them yet!) Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 18:36:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:21:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Last sale of the season Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:21:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.152138.0> Precedence: bulk We just got a call from someone who took our card back in November. We still had the item he was interested in (sigh), so he drove 40 miles to our home on Saturday and bought it...but that's probably the end of the season for us. When people express an interest in something and then ask for our card, I often hold out a pen, too, and suggest we write down just what it is they liked so they know why they took the card to begin with. (Presently trying to watch TV. We went to a skating show this weekend and the local station is showing some of the numbers, so we're looking for ourselves in the audience. No luck so far.) Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 20:36:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:59:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: stained glass businesses and balance NG by a long shot Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:56:27 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec21.35627.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-12-20 19:14:49 EST, you write: << Question is, how do I keep Michael OUT of the kitchen long enough to create my masterpiece without tripping over him while he's creating HIS masterpiece... we both love to cook.) >> Dear Dani, The answer is simple, tell him go cook for someone less accomplished (kinda like myself) While he's there, you get the kitchen to yourself. I love to bake but dislike cooking, think I made close to 20 dozen cookies today but forgot to make dinner. I'll be the one trying to convince the kids in the morning oatmeal cookies are a breakfast food. I only need to make 2 or 3 more kinds, one being the infamous stained glass cookies everyone was kind enough to supply the recipes for. IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 22:08:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:10:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com, pkelly@n-link.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: What, no help? Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:08:14 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec21.5814.0> Precedence: bulk Well Patrick, If you really want to help, I have several things that I need foiled and soldered. Interested? LOL I could always mail them. Kathy >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Sat Dec 19 17:16:14 1998 >Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) > by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11506; > Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:16:07 -0800 (PST) >Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:06:00 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly >From: "Pat Kelly" >To: "all" >Content-Type: text/plain; >Subject: What, no help? >Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:04:30 -0600 >Message-ID: <1998Dec19.12430.0> >Precedence: bulk > >Whats the problem no one is asking for help anymore? Well unless somebody >asks I'm not going to offer. I refuse to help (he says with tongue in >cheek). > >Are the lurkers gun shy? Come on all is forgiven. The artisans are waiting >and best of all its free. > >The group seems to be responding to the NG thing. Albert, I'm giving up on >the first first million dollars and am now going to work on the second. (8-) > > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 22:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:27:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Kathy Mather" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: What, no help? Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:26:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.17266.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks anyway but I'm really busy trying to figure out a place to escape to when Elisabeth visits in Aug or Sep. I think she would even find me in the Galapagos Islands. She is a stubborn Swede. Merry Christmas -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Mather To: glass@bungi.com ; pkelly@n-link.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 11:12 PM Subject: Re: What, no help? >Well Patrick, > If you really want to help, I have several things that I need foiled >and soldered. Interested? LOL I could always mail them. > Kathy > > > >>From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Sat Dec 19 17:16:14 1998 >>Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) >> by max.bungi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11506; >> Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:16:07 -0800 (PST) >>Received: by daver.bungi.com >> via smail with stdio >> id >> for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:06:00 -0800 (PST) >> (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) >>X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly >>From: "Pat Kelly" >>To: "all" >>Content-Type: text/plain; >>Subject: What, no help? >>Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:04:30 -0600 >>Message-ID: <1998Dec19.12430.0> >>Precedence: bulk >> >>Whats the problem no one is asking for help anymore? Well unless >somebody >>asks I'm not going to offer. I refuse to help (he says with tongue in >>cheek). >> >>Are the lurkers gun shy? Come on all is forgiven. The artisans are >waiting >>and best of all its free. >> >>The group seems to be responding to the NG thing. Albert, I'm giving up >on >>the first first million dollars and am now going to work on the second. >(8-) >> >> >>Patrick >>Roses and Rainbows >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 22:36:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:27:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3635ED3EF89F32BFCD57B8A8" Subject: Re: Christmas and Exploitation of Women NG Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:24:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.132422.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk --------------3635ED3EF89F32BFCD57B8A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like something a man would say about a woman :) Carol, remind me when we get together next year to take you to Flex's Bar and Grill (where the men where nothing but an apron). That might jog the memory a tad. Oops was that sexist? Actually I have had the same thoughts myself. Although I could have stayed single after my divorce I chose to remarry. Knowing all of the pitfalls of marriage and relationships. I personally have learned more being married than not. My husband works his tail off just as I do. Tells me I'm beautiful all the time and devotes himself to the kids and our home. He's gorgeous, funny, giving, communicative and the light of my eye. Could I live without him? Of course. Would I want too? No way! My first husband is great and now understands women and society a bit more thanks to our divorce. And we are friends. I've not lost faith in men. I think there are alot of great guys out there who do treat women they way they should be treated. Pam ********************************* The Stained Glass Artists Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director: Advertising & Marketing Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html Join our live glass chat! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/chat.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ --------------3635ED3EF89F32BFCD57B8A8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <And  to whoever suggested my faith in men might be restored...please know
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that they'll want attention when I'm busy; faith that they'll cramp my
freedom; faith that they'll find the hardest possible way to do something;
faith that they'll become a royal pain in the butt. Since I know how to use
tools and have a warm blanket, why would I want one?>

Sounds like something a man would say about a woman :) Carol, remind me when we get together next year to take you to Flex's Bar and Grill (where the men where nothing but an apron). That might jog the memory a tad. Oops was that sexist?

Actually I have had the same thoughts myself. Although I could have stayed single after my divorce I chose to remarry. Knowing all of the pitfalls of marriage and relationships. I personally have learned more being married than not. My husband works his tail off just as I do. Tells me I'm beautiful all the time and devotes himself to the kids and our home. He's gorgeous, funny, giving, communicative and the light of my eye. Could I live without him? Of course. Would I want too? No way! My first husband is great and now understands women and society a bit more thanks to our divorce. And we are friends. I've not lost faith in men. I think there are alot of great guys out there who do treat women they way they should be treated.

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  --------------3635ED3EF89F32BFCD57B8A8-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 22:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:00:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com To: Pat Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Baklava and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:07:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.18753.0> References: <<1998Dec20.13135.0>> Precedence: bulk Well...I may be exploited, but I am gonna make that Baklava whose recipe was so generously shared with us the other day! You see, I love Baklava, and also Godiva chocolate. Neither of which are purchased *for me, for he fears my losing my waistline! Pay back, I got the recipe! :o) grinnin in Tulsa. Got my fillo, walnuts, honey, etc... Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 23:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:19:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Ed Rogers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:29:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.18297.0> References: <<002101be2c65$a09e4ac0$3011ea18@ejr929.lvcablemodem.com>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Ed. I will remember to add that to my list to Santa. Merry Christmas! Tulsa Suzanne Ed Rogers wrote: > > What you should apologize for is not using a spelling checker! > ****************************** > E-mail from: Ed Rogers > EJR929@LVCM.COM > ****************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 1:06 PM > Subject: glass > > >I just cannot get over the attitude that *you people are supposed to > >help me. I apologise to anyone that does not own a delete button. You > >got the browser, what can I say? > > > >I am so offended for the actual people that are the "helpers" on Bungi. > >Apparently some people dont have a clue how fortunate they are to be > >*allowed* so easily to have contact with such a group of people. > > No dues, no photos of quality work to submit. You can just be signing > >up for your first ever glass class...or not even bothering to take > >classes, and yet you are free to discuss glass with people who have vast > >experience, and are gifted artists and craftspeople. you have the > >benefit of their knowledge and experience...free. > > > >Maybe this is what is known as a blessing, a gift horse? Maybe this is > >one of the things that you are supposed to say "Thank you, God" > >for...when you remember to say your prayers. > > > >I consider myself very fortunate to have found bungi, and have met some > >really wonderful, good hearted, sympathetic, gracious, helpful, > >talented, etc...... people that are willing to share the benefit of > >their knowledge with those of us that could be left to do it all on our > >own... > > > >I appreciate what is shared with me here. Thanks to all of you > >helpers... I apologise for the people that dont know how to be > >grateful. > > > >Tulsa Suzanne > >-- > >~The most wasted day of all is that on which you have not laughed~ > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 20 23:53:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:39:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [Fwd: Mostly NG Re: What, no help?] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:48:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec20.184850.0> References: <<1998Dec20.212138.0>> Precedence: bulk > Oh, that reminds me, Suzanne de Tulsa, I was able to open the pics of your > glass in another program, how did you make the eyes and buttons on the > snowman? I was pleased to see your work, I sometimes stick the glass right on > the scanner and get fascinating results. Actually I often get fascinating > results in the things I do. > > Back to the oven, take care all, don't work too hard. If I could, I would certainly send you a plane ticket! I am making the baklava tomorrow, and then the bread recipe shared with me by Eljay. I dont bake alot lately, so this is making me feel oh so domestic! I did make clam chowder from scratch tonight, that turned out really yummy. Oh, the snowmen. The kids are nuts for them. I made a ton of them it seems. The eyes, buttons, etc were put on with a paint pen! At the base, I put the childs name and the year. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 03:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 02:04:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: "M. Savad" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: 2 soldering irons Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:03:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.1030.0> Precedence: bulk i want to get a new iron. in W-C they have a Mika for about 20 bucks, nevre used one and was wondering if anyone has used it. there is also the weller soldering gun. i want the gun more because of the abillity to turn it on and off without fear of it burning out. mainly i want to know truely how hot they are, how long they last, etc. i'm going to use these for tacking my lamp and other 3-d's. ---Mike Savad I have had a weller sodering gun for over 20 years or so.Excellent tool good value for money and useful for most jobs. Bits last a fair time,you can get them up to high temperature, great for quick soldering ,struggles on some large objects to be soldered. Only problems you get with the bits are losing the quality of the electrical connection to the bit ends where they connect to the gun due to oxidation of the copper bit.This drops the current through the bit and so the heating power. All you have to do occasionally is re-tighten the nuts that hold the bit to sort this out. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 05:15:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:14:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: "M. Savad" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 2 soldering irons Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.21347.0> References: <<1998Dec20.51614.0>> Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > i want to get a new iron. in W-C they have a Mika for about 20 bucks, > nevre used one and was wondering if anyone has used it. there is also > the weller soldering gun. i want the gun more because of the abillity to > turn it on and off without fear of it burning out. > > mainly i want to know truely how hot they are, how long they last, etc. > > i'm going to use these for tacking my lamp and other 3-d's. > > ---Mike Savad > Hi Mike, I have a Mika 100 watt iron that I use with a temp controller. Otherwise, it is very hot- I ruin everything I touch with it. It came with a years guarantee and I've have it about 1 1/2 years. So far, it still works fine. Haven't tried the other. Hope you find what you need, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 05:52:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:52:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fuse.net!pebble From: klasita To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.24940.0> References: <<1998Dec20.13135.0>> Precedence: bulk Please remove my name from the mailing list. I certainly enjoyed my time here, but we seem to be drifting away from the main topic. I have met some nice folks here, and learned many things, and while I think women in general have been, and continue to be exploited in real life and on the Internet, I think saying the Christmas season is designed for further exploitation is ridiculous. Happy Holidays to all, and try to remember the true meaning of the season. Beveler4, if you are out there, please drop a line. Rick pebble@fuse.net http://home.fuse.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 06:23:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:17:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: tifstyorig@juno.com (Diane W Manchester) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: NG-Bio# 81 Ellen Raper Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:18:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.31820.0> Precedence: bulk Ellen, Sorry to post publically, but don't know your private email. You live in Raleigh and I live just south of you in Carthage, NC. Do you have a shop up there? or work out of your home? Might be fun to get together and swap glass..... Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Carthage, NC ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 06:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:42:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Carol Swann" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.34057.0> Precedence: bulk Yikes!!!! What ever happen to "tis the season to be jolly"? And the real meaning of Christmas?? I didn't want to respond to this but........i just couldn't hold back!!!!!! The only female who is exploited is the one who wants to be. I personally think its about time for people to take responsibility for where they are. And not keep throwing the blame on someone else. And instead of this "feminism" thing.....how about a "human rights" thing. Paul and I work together everyday and almost every hour of our lives......sometimes i am the right hand....sometimes he is. We also celebrate our lives together everyday! Christmas is about sharing and giving. It IS about Love. What it is NOT about is baking and cleaning or bashing your spouse or significant other. Or any imagined WASP male privielge or what men expect????...whatever that is all about? How about putting all that wonderful negative energy into something good? While I am here........Wising all of you the joy of this season and the best for a glorious New Year. my best, pj -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 5:44 PM Subject: Christmas and exploitation of women NG >As I've been fitting glass this afternoon and pondering further the questio >of balancing a stained glass business with the Christmas "silly season", >I've come up with a new thought. > >I know we have a lot of intelligent thinking women (and men...some of whom >we wonder about...those in tiaras and tutututs???) on this group. >Dorothy...this line of thought was brought about your post which was a plea >for help doing houseowrk and baking cookies. > >The question I have for you is WHY ISN'T YOUR HUSBAND DOING 50% of >this...can't he vacuum while you cut glass. Does he not have 2 arms and >legs...(Not meant as an attack on him personally, just using him as an >example of the "privileged" American male). > >Is the "silly season" hype not just another representation of WASP male >privilege...men expect a decorated home, a beer, their football games, a >turkey so they can sit back and belch aafterwords...how many of them >actually help prepare the home and meal for the big belching event? How many >do the dishes afterwards...I can tell ya right now...close to zero...that's >why it's hardly worth keeping one around. > >So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another form of >female exploitation?????? > >This seems like a reah AH-HA to me and I can't believe that no one's ever >seen it before. Or maybe it's some kind of sacred cow because we're >supposed to be all lovey dovey and harmonious at this time of year...sort of >like no one talked about domestic abuse 10 years ago and now women aren't >putting up with that shit anymore. > >I'd love feedbak on this...I'm going to start writing some editorial and >press releases now for next Christmas as a way of bringing this issue to the >fore... > >Carol > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 07:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 1999 Glass Trends predictions Date: Mon Dec 21 05:31:12 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.3712.0> Precedence: bulk wait a minute here, i live in cincinnati, i should get first dibs on the flying pigs! debbie -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: Christie A. Wood Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 5:51 PM Subject: 1999 Glass Trends predictions >Hi Christie- > >I tell you, mobiles will be hot. But, >just so everyone knows, I have = > >dibs on the flying pig mobile!! > >Cheers! > >Dani Greer >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 07:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:38:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass businesses and balance Date: Mon Dec 21 05:37:33 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.31333.0> Precedence: bulk dani as a fellow buni and because i have such a big heart, i have the perfect answer for you...you come here and cook and he can stay there and cook, i know this is a great sacrifice on my part, but i think i can manage flights to dayton or cincinnati are okay, we live in between glad to be of help to you this holiday season debbie -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 7:21 PM Subject: stained glass businesses and balance >You got me thinking on this one, >Carol. We really don't make most >of our money over Christmas usually. >Half of our yearly income is earned >over the summer months which are >usually frantic. It ordinarily slows = > >down progressively past Christmas >and into the first quarter of the year >when sometimes we can actually = > >work on some spec pieces or >contributions to shows. This holiday >season has only been frantic because >of the church restoration - this was an >easy six months worth of work to slam >through less than three. We have a >new rule at the Greer Studios.... if it's >a rush job, the cost is double. Fortunately, >we charged that on this job so no complaints, >but I sure don't want to work this many = > >hours year-round. > >Happy hols, > >Dani Greer (who's now thinking maybe turkey on Friday would be okay = > >since we had bratwurst on Thanksgiving.... hmmmm....mmmmmmm! >Question is, how do I keep Michael OUT of the kitchen long enough >to create my masterpiece without tripping over him while he's creating >HIS masterpiece... we both love to cook.) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 07:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:18:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:11:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.41144.0> Precedence: bulk Carol, I think you will find that, except for that brief moment in time before Adam's rib was converted, there are, about, equal numbers of both sexes. The evolution of our society was as agreed by, forgive the expression, mankind. When it took muscle to feed the family, males, with the permission of women, ruled. Now with machines producing the labor, women can push the button as easily as men. Society changes with evolution. I feel that you are painting all families with the same brush, and that just isn't true. I've been married to the same woman possibly as long as you are old...We have a daughter, one of 5, that is 43 years old. We have lived through some very easy and some very hard times. However, what ever we did or faced we did together. We are a very strong team. That strength is based on our love and respect for each other. Carol, if you don't have that in your life then look for it. You will be much happier with a team mate than you will fighting an enemy that truly doesn't exist. Sorry that I've strayed from glass. Guess you hit a nerve and I respond from my heart. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG > >>>>So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another >>form of >>female exploitation?????? << >> >>Never thought of it that way. > >>Odds are you will be doing something else next Christmas. > >Actually Bob, odds are I will be spreading this information next year and >trying to get more women to see Christmas from the feminist point of view. >I've been a feminist for the past 25 years...reread my resume to see just >how many "first woman to" achievements I have under my belt...challenging >the male establishment is nothing new to me. I've also spent years reading >literature on women and womens rights. I've just never seen Christmas quite >this way before...I feel like I'm seeing Christmas with different eyes and >it's VERY exciting!!! Perhaps another area where I can make a difference!! > >And it's not that I'm overworked and projecting this to the group. It was >actually Dorothy's post that started me thinking...she's overworked with >everything she "has" to do...so I asked myself...who's making her do this? >Why is she running herself ragged. My answer...the expectations society has >for a family at Christmas. Since society is/has been male dominated for >hundreds of years (except in the odd matriarchal society around the world) >I do lay this at the feet of men. > >Can't believe that I just never put it together this way before. > >I think women need to be aware of the fact that a male constructed society >has these expectations, and that they need to STOP and decide whether they >really need to do all these things...much as Dani stated. > >and here I agree with Dani...women fall prey very easily to the treadmill of >"shoulds/oughts/and supposed tos" that society will place upon them if women >allow themselves to. Someone needs to stand up and shout from the >rooftops...hey women...get it together...dont' run yourself ragged just >because WASP society tries to make you... > >Think about it...only do what you need to...after all you can buy cookies in >a fraction of the time it takes to make them (Dee's suggestion), hire a maid >to vacuum (Dani's suggestion) (and my suggestions would be to do that AFTER >the guests have made dropped their storebought cookie crumbs and left). > >And for the guys who do help out around the house, great...now to help >cultural change...a question for you guys...do you challenge the guys down >at the bar or at work when they make jokes demeaning to women...do you let >them know that that kind of talk just isn't acceptable in the 90s? > >The poster who said cultural change comes slowly is totally right...it's one >incident, and one person speaking up at a time that creates change!! Perhaps >these posts might just help get one guy up off the couch or help one of our >bungi members simplify their CHristmas a bit. > >And to whoever suggested my faith in men might be restored...please know >that I do have faith in men...faith that they'll be high maintenance; faith >that they'll want attention when I'm busy; faith that they'll cramp my >freedom; faith that they'll find the hardest possible way to do something; >faith that they'll become a royal pain in the butt. Since I know how to use >tools and have a warm blanket, why would I want one? > >Cool discussion...and it's even bringing out the lurkers :) > >C. > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 08:02:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:20:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Glass - QVC Date: Mon Dec 21 06:19:11 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.35511.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2CEB.7F840DD0 Content-Type: text/plain A couple I know was looking at a "Tiffany Style" floor lamp at one of the discount stores and asked me to go take a look at it with them. First we unscrewed the shade and proceeded to "take it apart". Then we went on to the base. (I noticed that there was a weight in the bottom to keep it from tipping over.) Then we went to a Stained glass studio I bought supplies from and went through the whole process again. Once they knew what they were looking at they had little interest in the discount models. The moral, as Sy Syms used to say: "An educated consumer is our best customer". Vic ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2CEB.7F840DD0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Glass - QVC

A couple I know was looking at a = "Tiffany Style" floor lamp at one of the discount stores and = asked me to go take a look at it with them. 

First we unscrewed the shade  = and proceeded to "take it apart". Then we went on to the = base. (I noticed that there was a weight in the bottom to keep it from = tipping over.) 

Then we went to a Stained glass studio = I bought supplies from and went through the whole process again.

Once they knew what they were looking = at they had little interest in the discount models.

The moral, as Sy Syms used to say: = "An educated consumer is our best customer".=20

Vic

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2CEB.7F840DD0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 08:21:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:56:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: KISS mosaic/real help question in there, too Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.4552.0> Precedence: bulk Well, I'm starting on the KISS mosaic today. It's going in an apartment, so I couldn't really made it ...oh, you know, 5 feet square or anything, so pieces like the lips are going to be quite small. Over 100 pieces, but no foiling or soldering. Each face is in its own oval, so we can work it sparately in its own tray...wouldn't want Gene's hair to get mixed up with Ace's hair, would we? Using gray to surround and connect all ovals, and John stained the frame with ebony. It's going to be SOO dark (way cool, you know). AND finished cutting out a dog mosaic yesterday. That'll get glued tonight, grouted Tuesday, gifted Thursday. So there I was at the glass store on Saturday, buying Christmas colors...you know..black, white, gray, amber... Question...if I were going to make a stained glass crow on a stick, what would be a good way of attaching the crow to the stick? nope, never saw myself on TV, either. But we have cookies! Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 08:39:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:06:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: mobile pricing Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:05:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.5518.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Peggy W. Johnsen" >I thought of the chili peppers and flamingos wondering if the price is 3-4 times what a single suncatcher would be.< My chili pepper mobile retails for $35. The custom flamingo mobile (3 birds in quite different poses) retails for $90. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 09:05:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:06:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 1999 Glass Trends predictions Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.5524.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Dani Greer >I tell you, mobiles will be hot. But, just so everyone knows, I have = dibs on the flying pig mobile!!< No problem! LOL. I have dibs on the flamingos! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 09:13:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:54:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:53:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199812211553.HAA26522@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Arnold, You seem like a caring person, and would it not be true to say there are times when you have more the giver??? (I would think so) Life in a healthy relationship does not mean it's 50-50!!! The balance of ratio is an even changing pendulum (sp). This is what has worked in mine for 20.5 years. I'm most sure there has been times when my *other* has felt he's been overworked and underappreciated also! But as the balance swings...so does the workload. If we are to be as such that we must keep *tabs* on things...truely that's a nagging of sorts!!!! I will bust my butt for my *other* only because I know he does the same. And if that means I'm exploited....WELL SO BE IT:) I could rant more on this subject, but think I've gotten my message across. Lighten up on yourself Arnold!!! Merry Christmas ALL! Cindy:) > >At the risk of crossing the boundry...Poor Carol...It must be awful to be >overworked and under appreciated....I agree with you...I now feel very >guilty about the way I use my Bride... > >Arnold > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 09:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:19:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:17:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199812211617.IAA25191@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >> >>Cool discussion...and it's even bringing out the lurkers :) >> >>Carol S. Can't agree on this one.... There may be many issues that one may feel exploitation, but Christmas??? Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 10:17:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:33:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: "Charles Spitzer" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass store contents for sale Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.23619.0> Precedence: bulk found the following on rec.crafts.glass: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Greetings, My father Fred Rudowski, who ran Glass Art Studio in Freehold, NJ, recently passed away. We are cleaning out his studio this week and have a number of items for sale. A quick list includes: * Denver SB-810 Studio Model Beveler * Paragon GL Series Kiln, other small Paragon hobbyist kiln; many molds * Sandblasting equipment including air compressors, Craftsman gasoline engine, other items * Black & Decker band saw * wood turning lathe * drill press stand * lots of glass pieces, also lamp components and other items. * Lortone Lapidary Arbor grinding, polishing, buffing machine We also have many old lamp filigrees, and beautiful old stained and painted glass windows, all in need of restoration and TLC. My father dabbled in a little of everything and his studio reflects that. If interested, please e-mail me at evanrud@aol.com or call (732) 303-1366. We are trying to clear his studio before Christmas. Items would need to be picked up. We are in Monmouth County, NJ, near the shore. We are happy to consider any fair offer and would prefer to put his things into the hands of people who will care about them and use them well. Many thanks, Evan Rudowski ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 10:38:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:42:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon Dec 21 08:40:18 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.61618.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2CFE.5F4AB740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where is the balance? It is all too easy to say we need to split 50/50 but what we measure is not the same. Let's use laundry as an example. I go to the office, my wife stays at home and raises our son. Ideally each of us should do laundry ever other week. Now for a reality check. I am out of the house at 7:00 and back around 6:30. From 6:30 to 8:00 is my sons time with me (or mine with him). After 8 it's dinner, maybe some glass, maybe some bills ... You get the idea. If laundry, half a hamper or more, is around on the weekend I do it. Otherwise my wife has to do it during the week. A fair division of labor, not by a long shot. Linda does 4 or 5 loads to every one I do. But it is easier for her to throw it in during the day than for me to be up till 1:00 AM. Cooking falls into the same category as cleaning. I work through their breakfast, lunch and dinner (or supper). Shopping, child rearing and a bunch of other things also enter into this unfair division. Cleaning is a subjective question. Things my wife considers dirty look clean to me. If a floor needs to be washed or vacuumed during between our opinions of dirty she needs to tell me or I'll never know. For those who say do it anyway: Hell hath no fury like a wife who washed the floor the day before you did. As to the Christmas holiday itself: I am Jewish, my wife Presbyterian. For the last six years I have bought the tree and helped set it up. Bought decorations and put up more of them as each year passes. (Do Christmas decorations multiply while in storage.) Wrapped an unending stream of gifts and even made a number at her request. In six years she has not even bought the Hanukkah Candles. But then again, she was never asked too. As I step down off the Stained Glass Soap Box I will agree with the statement: "We can only be exploited if we allow it." And if you are trying for an even division of labor, look at the big picture and realize the average is more important than the numbers at any given moment. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Carol Swann [mailto:seaspray@mail.island.net] Sent: Sunday, December 20, 1998 4:53 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Christmas and exploitation of women NG As I've been fitting glass this afternoon and pondering further the questio of balancing a stained glass business with the Christmas "silly season", I've come up with a new thought. I know we have a lot of intelligent thinking women (and men...some of whom we wonder about...those in tiaras and tutututs???) on this group. Dorothy...this line of thought was brought about your post which was a plea for help doing houseowrk and baking cookies. The question I have for you is WHY ISN'T YOUR HUSBAND DOING 50% of this...can't he vacuum while you cut glass. Does he not have 2 arms and legs...(Not meant as an attack on him personally, just using him as an example of the "privileged" American male). Is the "silly season" hype not just another representation of WASP male privilege...men expect a decorated home, a beer, their football games, a turkey so they can sit back and belch aafterwords...how many of them actually help prepare the home and meal for the big belching event? How many do the dishes afterwards...I can tell ya right now...close to zero...that's why it's hardly worth keeping one around. So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another form of female exploitation?????? This seems like a reah AH-HA to me and I can't believe that no one's ever seen it before. Or maybe it's some kind of sacred cow because we're supposed to be all lovey dovey and harmonious at this time of year...sort of like no one talked about domestic abuse 10 years ago and now women aren't putting up with that shit anymore. I'd love feedbak on this...I'm going to start writing some editorial and press releases now for next Christmas as a way of bringing this issue to the fore... Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2CFE.5F4AB740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Christmas and exploitation of women NG

Where is the balance? It is all too = easy to say we need to split 50/50 but what we measure is not the = same.

Let's use laundry as an example. I go = to the office, my wife stays at home and raises our son. Ideally each = of us should do laundry ever other week. Now for a reality check. I am = out of the house at 7:00 and back around 6:30. From 6:30 to 8:00 is my = sons time with me (or mine with him). After 8 it's dinner, maybe some = glass, maybe some bills ... You get the idea. If laundry, half a = hamper  or more, is around on the weekend I do it. Otherwise my = wife has to do it during the week. A fair division of labor, not by a = long shot.  Linda does 4 or 5 loads to every one I do. But it is = easier for her to throw it in during the day than for me to be up till = 1:00 AM.

Cooking falls into the same category = as cleaning. I work through their breakfast, lunch and dinner (or = supper).
Shopping, child rearing and a bunch = of other things also enter into this unfair division.    =

Cleaning is a subjective question. = Things my wife considers dirty look clean to me. If a floor needs to be = washed or vacuumed during between our opinions of dirty she needs to = tell me or I'll never know. For those who say do it anyway: Hell hath = no fury like a wife who washed the floor the day before you = did.

As to the Christmas holiday itself: I = am Jewish, my wife Presbyterian. For the last six years I have bought = the tree and helped set it up. Bought decorations and put up more of = them as each year passes. (Do Christmas decorations multiply while in = storage.)  Wrapped an unending stream of gifts and even made a = number at her request. In six years she has not even bought the = Hanukkah Candles. But then again, she was never asked too.

As I step down off the Stained Glass = Soap Box I will agree with the statement: "We can only be = exploited if we allow it."

And if you are trying for an even = division of labor, look at the big picture and realize the average is = more important than the numbers at any given moment.

Vic

      -----Original = Message-----
      From:   Carol Swann [mailto:seaspray@mail.island.net]
      Sent:   Sunday, December 20, 1998 4:53 PM
      To:     glass@bungi.com
      Subject:       = Christmas and exploitation of women = NG

      As I've been fitting glass this = afternoon and pondering further the questio
      of balancing a stained glass business = with the Christmas "silly season",
      I've come up with a new = thought.

      I know we have a lot of intelligent = thinking women (and men...some of whom
      we wonder about...those in tiaras and = tutututs???) on this group.
      Dorothy...this line of thought was = brought about your post which was a plea
      for help doing houseowrk and baking = cookies.

      The question I have for you is WHY = ISN'T YOUR HUSBAND DOING 50% of
      this...can't he vacuum while you cut = glass.  Does he not have 2 arms and
      legs...(Not meant as an attack on him = personally, just using him as an
      example of the "privileged" = American male).

      Is the "silly season" hype = not just another representation of WASP male
      privilege...men expect a decorated = home, a beer, their football games, a
      turkey so they can sit back and belch = aafterwords...how many of them
      actually help prepare the home and = meal for the big belching event? How many
      do the dishes afterwards...I can tell = ya right now...close to zero...that's
      why it's hardly worth keeping one = around.

      So I ask you all for input:::  Is = Christmas hype not just another form of
      female exploitation??????

      This seems like a reah AH-HA to me and = I can't believe that no one's ever
      seen it before.  Or maybe it's = some kind of sacred cow because we're
      supposed to be all lovey dovey and = harmonious at this time of year...sort of
      like no one talked about domestic = abuse 10 years ago and now women aren't
      putting up with that shit = anymore. 

      I'd love feedbak on this...I'm going = to start writing some editorial and
      press releases now for next Christmas = as a way of bringing this issue to the
      fore...

      Carol

      Carol Swann
      Synergy Glass & Creative
      http://www.igga.org/synergy
      seaspray@island.net

      ----
      For subscription changes, please mail = to: glass-request@bungi.com
      To send to the = list,      please mail to: = glass@bungi.com
      Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2CFE.5F4AB740-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 11:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: 2 soldering irons Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:45:40, -0500 Message-ID: <199812211745.MAA13638@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>i want to get a new iron. in W-C they have a Mika for about 20 bucks, nevre used one and was wondering if anyone has used it. there is also the weller soldering gun. i want the gun more because of the abillity to turn it on and off without fear of it burning out. mainly i want to know truely how hot they are, how long they last, etc. i'm going to use these for tacking my lamp and other 3-d's. ---Mike Savad I have had a weller sodering gun for over 20 years or so.Excellent tool good value for money and useful for most jobs. Bits last a fair time, you can get them up to high temperature, great for quick soldering ,struggles on some large objects to be soldered. Only problems you get with the bits are losing the quality of the electrical connection to the bit ends where they connect to the gun due to oxidation of the copper bit.This drops the current through the bit and so the heating power. All you have to do occasionally is re-tighten the nuts that hold the bit to sort this out. Brandon UK<< Mike, I have the Weller GT-7A solid state soldering gun which is the Weller model generaly used in stained glass work. It has a slip in heater element/ tip assembly that avoids the nut problem reported above. The iron is 150 watt, heats quickly and is excellent for tacking and finer soldering work such as you often do. It is not the best choice for long runs in heavy seams as due to its construction will not keep up with a100 watt iron. One quickly learns to work the trigger to maintain soldering temperature. I believe you will find this tool very handy. The only draw back I can think of is that the heater element/tip is about 75% of the total value of the gun. They last a long time, perhaps because the gun is only powered while the trigger is pulled. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 12:13:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:33:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: shad@mail2.nai.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: KISS mosaic/real help question in there, too HEY I MAY KNOW THIS Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:28:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec21.182857.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/98 11:24:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, shad@mail2.nai.net writes: > Question...if I were going to make a stained glass crow on a stick, what > would be a good way of attaching the crow to the stick? > Dorothy, Being a highly untrained amateur I make my own rules as I go. Personally I would use some rebar instead of a wood stick. I made butterflies for the yard and they have been out there on rebar for 2 years, I only used 1/4" rebar because I wanted it delicate, but you could use thicker rebar for a crow if it is heavy. You are gonna give those wood crow people a run for their money. Now let's see if the other glass people are going to want to set up next to you at a show!!!!! IA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 12:45:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:20:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Charles Spitzer" , "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass store contents for sale Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:18:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.91810.0> Precedence: bulk opps to late...everything is gone! pj -----Original Message----- From: Charles Spitzer To: glass Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 1:38 PM Subject: glass store contents for sale >found the following on rec.crafts.glass: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >------------------------ >Greetings, > >My father Fred Rudowski, who ran Glass Art Studio in Freehold, NJ, recently >passed away. > >We are cleaning out his studio this week and have a number of items for >sale. A >quick list includes: > >* Denver SB-810 Studio Model Beveler >* Paragon GL Series Kiln, other small Paragon hobbyist kiln; many molds >* Sandblasting equipment including air compressors, Craftsman gasoline >engine, >other items >* Black & Decker band saw >* wood turning lathe >* drill press stand >* lots of glass pieces, also lamp components and other items. >* Lortone Lapidary Arbor grinding, polishing, buffing machine > >We also have many old lamp filigrees, and beautiful old stained and painted >glass windows, all in need of restoration and TLC. My father dabbled in a >little of everything and his studio reflects that. > >If interested, please e-mail me at evanrud@aol.com or call (732) 303-1366. >We >are trying to clear his studio before Christmas. Items would need to be >picked >up. We are in Monmouth County, NJ, near the shore. We are happy to consider >any >fair offer and would prefer to put his things into the hands of people who >will >care about them and use them well. > >Many thanks, >Evan Rudowski > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 13:30:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:40:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:32:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.93211.0> Precedence: bulk Cindy, you read me wrong...I'm not complaining...Mary Anne does a lot more around our [plantation] than I do. Besides all the normal household stuff, she cares for her 93 year old mother who lives with us, cares for 7 horses and 14 indoor cats and is the only female executive for a major corporation. She also has beautiful gardens and, in season, mows about 12 of our 25 acres. For Christmas she's getting a 3 cylinder diesel tractor with a back-hoe....No kidding...it's all the truth. I am the luckiest man alive. I adore my wife. For some odd reason, she adores me. That's what I'm talking about. The thought never crossed my mind, and she never said that one of us does more than the other. It really isn't important who does what...Is it???? Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Pesonen To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG > >Arnold, >You seem like a caring person, and would it not be true to say there are >times when you have more the giver??? (I would think so) > >Life in a healthy relationship does not mean it's 50-50!!! The balance of >ratio is an even changing pendulum (sp). >This is what has worked in mine for 20.5 years. > >I'm most sure there has been times when my *other* has felt he's been >overworked and underappreciated also! But as the balance swings...so does >the workload. >If we are to be as such that we must keep *tabs* on things...truely that's a >nagging of sorts!!!! > >I will bust my butt for my *other* only because I know he does the same. >And if that means I'm exploited....WELL SO BE IT:) >I could rant more on this subject, but think I've gotten my message across. > >Lighten up on yourself Arnold!!! > > >Merry Christmas ALL! >Cindy:) > >> >>At the risk of crossing the boundry...Poor Carol...It must be awful to be >>overworked and under appreciated....I agree with you...I now feel very >>guilty about the way I use my Bride... >> >>Arnold >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 13:58:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:13:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:12:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.101256.0> Precedence: bulk All very well said, Vic. And I for one agree with you that to make a narrow generalization that "all men are...." is unrealistic and untrue... and frankly a bit offensive to me. Now, I am relatively flexible when it comes to off-topic discussion on bungi as you all well know... as long as we are polite and post non-glass subject lines for our more serious glass colleagues. However, this has gotten waaay too off topic and needs to be continued off-bungi. I am a bit dismayed that we have lost good people like Rick Lasita who has been with bungi for quite a long while. Lets try to exercise some good taste and have a bit of consideration for other people who might in fact be enjoying the season. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 14:06:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:28:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: RE: 2 soldering irons Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:26:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.10269.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Dani Greer, 105715,1412 TO: BOB DUCHESNEAU, INTERNET:YWAH36A@prodigy.com DATE: 12/21/98 1:25 PM RE: Copy of: RE: 2 soldering irons I agree, Bob, that the Weller soldering gun is not good for long runs and big jobs. We use ours only for soldering panels in place on site. I use the = Weller 100 almost exclusively, Michael also uses the Weller 120. The = Hexacons are also excellent irons if you do large panels in copper foil. They are not for the inexperienced, though, heat cracking being a major concern while using them. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 14:16:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.4225.0> References: <<199812202153.NAA18705@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > As I've been fitting glass this afternoon and pondering further the questio > of balancing a stained glass business with the Christmas "silly season", > I've come up with a new thought. > > I know we have a lot of intelligent thinking women (and men...some of whom > we wonder about...those in tiaras and tutututs???) on this group. > Dorothy...this line of thought was brought about your post which was a plea > for help doing houseowrk and baking cookies. > > The question I have for you is WHY ISN'T YOUR HUSBAND DOING 50% of > this...can't he vacuum while you cut glass. Does he not have 2 arms and > legs...(Not meant as an attack on him personally, just using him as an > example of the "privileged" American male). > > Is the "silly season" hype not just another representation of WASP male > privilege...men expect a decorated home, a beer, their football games, a > turkey so they can sit back and belch aafterwords...how many of them > actually help prepare the home and meal for the big belching event? How many > do the dishes afterwards...I can tell ya right now...close to zero...that's > why it's hardly worth keeping one around. > > So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another form of > female exploitation?????? > > This seems like a reah AH-HA to me and I can't believe that no one's ever > seen it before. Or maybe it's some kind of sacred cow because we're > supposed to be all lovey dovey and harmonious at this time of year...sort of > like no one talked about domestic abuse 10 years ago and now women aren't > putting up with that shit anymore. > > I'd love feedbak on this...I'm going to start writing some editorial and > press releases now for next Christmas as a way of bringing this issue to the > fore... > > Carol > > Carol Swann >OH GOD...woman as victim again. I am sorry. I cannot buy this. Does that privileged American male have a job, possibly a stressful one? I am SO SICK of whiny women blaming men for every problem under the sun. I am so tired if women assuming if men take some downtime when they get home from work that they are being selfish brutes if they dont immediately start vacuuming and washing dishes. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 14:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:56:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:38:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.43855.0> References: <<199812210059.QAA14637@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > >>>So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another > >form of > >female exploitation?????? << > > > >Never thought of it that way. > > >Odds are you will be doing something else next Christmas. > > Actually Bob, odds are I will be spreading this information next year and > trying to get more women to see Christmas from the feminist point of view. > I've been a feminist for the past 25 years...reread my resume to see just > how many "first woman to" achievements I have under my belt...challenging > the male establishment is nothing new to me. I've also spent years reading > literature on women and womens rights. I've just never seen Christmas quite > this way before...I feel like I'm seeing Christmas with different eyes and > it's VERY exciting!!! Perhaps another area where I can make a difference!! > > And it's not that I'm overworked and projecting this to the group. It was > actually Dorothy's post that started me thinking...she's overworked with > everything she "has" to do...so I asked myself...who's making her do this? > Why is she running herself ragged. My answer...the expectations society has > for a family at Christmas. Since society is/has been male dominated for > hundreds of years (except in the odd matriarchal society around the world) > I do lay this at the feet of men. > > Can't believe that I just never put it together this way before. > > I think women need to be aware of the fact that a male constructed society > has these expectations, and that they need to STOP and decide whether they > really need to do all these things...much as Dani stated. > > and here I agree with Dani...women fall prey very easily to the treadmill of > "shoulds/oughts/and supposed tos" that society will place upon them if women > allow themselves to. Someone needs to stand up and shout from the > rooftops...hey women...get it together...dont' run yourself ragged just > because WASP society tries to make you... > > Think about it...only do what you need to...after all you can buy cookies in > a fraction of the time it takes to make them (Dee's suggestion), hire a maid > to vacuum (Dani's suggestion) (and my suggestions would be to do that AFTER > the guests have made dropped their storebought cookie crumbs and left). > > And for the guys who do help out around the house, great...now to help > cultural change...a question for you guys...do you challenge the guys down > at the bar or at work when they make jokes demeaning to women...do you let > them know that that kind of talk just isn't acceptable in the 90s? > > The poster who said cultural change comes slowly is totally right...it's one > incident, and one person speaking up at a time that creates change!! Perhaps > these posts might just help get one guy up off the couch or help one of our > bungi members simplify their CHristmas a bit. > > And to whoever suggested my faith in men might be restored...please know > that I do have faith in men...faith that they'll be high maintenance; faith > that they'll want attention when I'm busy; faith that they'll cramp my > freedom; faith that they'll find the hardest possible way to do something; > faith that they'll become a royal pain in the butt. Since I know how to use > tools and have a warm blanket, why would I want one? > > Cool discussion...and it's even bringing out the lurkers :) > > C. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > ---- > actually Carol, no one "makes" me do anything. I am moving in two days so I am not sending cards this year, if I get one from someone i will send one back in JANUARY. No male conspiracy there. My daughter wants to bake. No can do. So we will make valentine cookies instead. Actually my husband hates christmas so I have pared it way down, do what I enjoy and if someoine has a problem with a gift certificate or a late card or the fact my house is not draped top to toe with lights they can go suck an egg. Its THEIR problem not mine. Sorry Carol, dont buy the feminist line of crap and I would appreciate your not bringing that garbage into our group. I am a woman who has traveled ALONE all around the world, is very educated, has taken karate and has NO problem being my own person. Seeing conspiracies where there are none has the exact same effect with feminism as it does with fundamentalist Christianity...it takes something that in moderation may have a lot of truth in it and turns it into a laughingstock. Most of the extremuist women should be in their homes cooking and cleaning and breeding are written BY WOMEN they are NOT written by men. I personally think that stepford wife type women are very threatened by other women who dare to have a life and so they back them down in their place. Its not men. Most decent men I know actually LIKE women who are their own people rather than doormats. Personally I have found not being a victim acts as a deterrent to anyone, male or female, with exploitation on their mind and that those who think they are victims tend to attract those who will continue to reinforce that view. Thus a major problem of mine with classic victim minded feminism (not to be confused with the alarming notion that women are people too....) I feel sorry for you that because of your attitude you are missing out on friendship with half of the human race ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 14:38:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:26:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG;women and choice Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:24:38 -0800 Message-ID: <199812212124.NAA16516@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk Well, all...thanks for the responses...I'm delighted that we have something solid to sink our teeth into instead of all the Christmas pablum (or dare I say cookies) that have been the general topics on bungi of late. It certainly doesn't seem like anyone's working on much glass judging by the lack of glass related posts...guess I'm in the minority there...I have 2 panels to finish by Christmas, and another 3 projects to complete by New YEars... It appears we have a huge diversity of folk on bungi and I thank you all for your replies...on and off group...I think it's wonderful that we even got a few lurkers motivated to reply...hope they'll continue to contribute on glass related topics too. Somehow the discusion replies turned very quickly to include the word "victimization"...something that was never in my original line of thought. Interesting, eh? What I was really trying to do was get some good solid discussion going...appears I succeeded and also get a few people thinking and realizing they have choices and have made choices....so if they decide to participate in the "silly season" they're at least doing it from choice, rather than being driven by others' expectations...Even if only one or two folk make some changes in their behavior...it'll give them something to think about while they're standing in line. I apologize to anyone who may have been offended by this thread...and encourage them to utilize the delete button. My only hope is that the woman who reported baking 20 dozen cookies...my god is she opening a bakery...realizes she has choices...and can probably make better use of her time doing something besides making MORE cookies. To those of you that have partnerships...great...hang onto them because as I see the world, you are in the minority... And...I agree that women can only be exploited if they allow it, although I still pin the responsibility on the male establishment...who the heck do you think owns the majority of the businesses that start Christmas in September? C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 14:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:04:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: KISS mosaic/real help question in there, too HEY I MAY KNOW THIS Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.11326.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CncptThnkr@aol.com >You are gonna give those wood crow people a run for their money. Now let's see if the other glass people are going to want to set up next to you at = a show!!!!!< Stay away from my booth. Back, back, I say.... Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 15:07:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:05:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: KISS mosaic/real help question in there, too Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:03:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.1137.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Family Account (Dorothy): >Question...if I were going to make a stained glass crow on a stick, what= would be a good way of attaching the crow to the stick?< Oh !!!!! Nooooo!!!!! Not crows on a stick !!!!! My nemisis!!!! Is this the best we can do????? Sorry, but no reply from me. I'll not be part of a stained glass crow on a stick. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 15:11:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:50:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:52:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.115255.0> References: <<199812210059.QAA14637@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk You know, if a man posted something this stereotypical and dehumanizing to women, I bet we could hear the uproar without an internet connection. -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 15:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:28:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:33:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199812212225.RAA07697@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > > actually help prepare the home and meal for the big belching event? I've kept out of this hoo-rah (for once), but must say that I actually *like doing dishes. Warm suds and squeaky glasses must have something to do with ... what? Something primal, anyway. I like making things clean, although I'll have to admit that I like cleaning my plate more than filling it up (cooking, in other words). I'm the Man when it comes to doing meat, but my partner-in-life is much more inventive than I am in creating something outta nothing, which seems more often than not the case. I stare into the freezer and can get no idea from all of those lumps and bags; she can apparently see right through them and envision something not only palatable, but interesting! Especially with freshly cracked black pepper and Louisiana hot pepper sauce (for me). Meat loaf that way's great. I do a great job on spaghetti carbonara, I must say. Anything with fatty content, which is both a shame and heart altering; a shame because I've already had 3 heart attacks and shouldn't even *think about fatty stuff. Oh, and buttered popcorn (natch). Happy holidays, everyone! Changes on the Guild's home page, if you want to take a look. An interesting new magazine (This Side Up!) from the Netherlands, for one. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 15:48:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:58:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: posts not posting right Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:39:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.63916.0> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk oh poo....saw my posts with comments re: "the great holiday exploit fest" did not post right..they posted the original comment without the addendum. Oh well. Maybe for the best...I was pretty hot under the collar when I wrote it...others seemed to have expressed my sentiments much better. Now back to the glass.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 16:10:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:29:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Bob the Dinosaur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:11:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.71137.0> References: <<1998Dec21.115255.0>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Bob the Dinosaur wrote: > > You know, if a man posted something this stereotypical and dehumanizing > to women, I bet we could hear the uproar without an internet connection. > -- > Adults are obsolete children > Theodore Geisel > ---- AMEN Bob...and I am a woman ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 16:25:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:07:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: citynet.net!khupp From: Kathy To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.13658.0> References: <<199812210059.QAA14637@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk > because WASP society tries to make you... > Gee, all these years I thought WASP's were bees! But really, I do all these things because I like them. My husband couldn't care less if there was such a thing as Christmas or not. Often I have to over rule him, so I can get MY Christamas goodie things done, and so forth. And Happy Holidays to Everyone on Bungi. Thanks so much for sharing with us all! Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 16:39:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:16:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com, Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG; Christmas offense to women and welcome to MrHanky Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:58:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.65837.0> References: <<199812212124.NAA16516@oceanus.island.net>> Organization: Elizabeth Arakelian Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > Well, all...thanks for the responses...I'm delighted that we have something > solid to sink our teeth into instead of all the Christmas pablum (or dare I > say cookies) that have been the general topics on bungi of late. > It certainly doesn't seem like anyone's working on much glass judging by the > lack of glass related posts...guess I'm in the minority there...I have 2 > panels to finish by Christmas, and another 3 projects to complete by New > YEars... > > It appears we have a huge diversity of folk on bungi and I thank you all for > your replies...on and off group...I think it's wonderful that we even got a > few lurkers motivated to reply...hope they'll continue to contribute on > glass related topics too. > > Somehow the discusion replies turned very quickly to include the word > "victimization"...something that was never in my original line of thought. > Interesting, eh? > > What I was really trying to do was get some good solid discussion > going...appears I succeeded and also get a few people thinking and realizing > they have choices and have made choices....so if they decide to participate > in the "silly season" they're at least doing it from choice, rather than > being driven by others' expectations...Even if only one or two folk make > some changes in their behavior...it'll give them something to think about > while they're standing in line. > > I apologize to anyone who may have been offended by this thread...and > encourage them to utilize the delete button. > > My only hope is that the woman who reported baking 20 dozen cookies...my god > is she opening a bakery...realizes she has choices...and can probably make > better use of her time doing something besides making MORE cookies. > > To those of you that have partnerships...great...hang onto them because as I > see the world, you are in the minority... > > And...I agree that women can only be exploited if they allow it, although I > still pin the responsibility on the male establishment...who the heck do you > think owns the majority of the businesses that start Christmas in September? > > C. > > Carol Swann > probably a good thing the 'puter goofed on adding my comments to be posted..... I will add ONE thing and that is the ONLY time I ever felt pressured over Christmas ironically was by a "friend" (female) who was one of those people who just plain feel entitled. This woman did NOT appreciate that in my then line of work (catering) the money to be made was to be made at Christmas. No time for shopping, or baking or any such things just work. This "friend" did not appreciate the fact that her gift would be coming in January. This woman had an absolute cow that I would do something as inviolate as give a Christmas gift after Christmas. (an ex friend now, I have to say) I hardly think this is some male conspiracy but there is ENORMOUS pressure on people to pull off a perfect Christmas. Why the heck do you think do many people get depressed around the holidayds? (not just women BTW) becaue there is so much pressure pressure to be happy,happ, happy; to have the PERFECT family get together, perfect presents (BTW some men I know admit to feeling pressured to cough up the perfect gift for their wives: God forbid they give her something they heard her mention she really needs thinking it would please her and then it turns out not to be "the sort of thing you give a wife for a gift") perfect decor, etc etc. The big hoopla is a modern invention, within this last century..prior to that , Christmas was primarily a religious holiday with a few secular thrills. No doubt our friends on Madison Avenue have much to do with it.....but they are both genders now. Do you REALLY think all those female buyers at Macys are going to shoot their piggy bank in the foot?? I think not. Why dont we all just pull a South Park and ban ANYTHING overtly Christmas lest anyone be offended so that if we want to celebrate we will be left with only the bare essentials with which to decorate. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 16:51:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:48:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Elizabeth Arakelian Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:55:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.115553.0> References: <<1998Dec22.43855.0>> Precedence: bulk Personally, I do Christmas for religious reasons and for the kids! I hope that my children have as wonderful memories of their childhoods as I do of mine. (Ed, you may want to do a grammar and spell check, I have neither of those programs) Elizabeth, the baklava comes out of the oven in about 25 minutes, the syrup is simmering. My daughter and I had a great time putting it together as a team this afternoon while my 2 yr old napped! Thanks for the recipe. We didnt have any lemon juice, so used fresh mandarin orange juice! Smells wonderful! Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 17:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:49:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 2 soldering irons Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:48:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.134841.0> References: <<199812211745.MAA13638@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > >>i want to get a new iron. in W-C they have a Mika for about 20 > bucks, > nevre used one and was wondering if anyone has used it. there is > also > the weller soldering gun. i want the gun more because of the abillity > to > turn it on and off without fear of it burning out. > > mainly i want to know truely how hot they are, how long they last, > etc. > > i'm going to use these for tacking my lamp and other 3-d's. > > ---Mike Savad > I have had a weller sodering gun for over 20 years or so.Excellent > tool > good value for money and useful for most jobs. Bits last a fair time, > you > can get them up to high temperature, great for quick soldering > ,struggles on some large objects to be soldered. Only problems you > get > with the bits are losing the quality of the electrical connection to > the > bit ends where they connect to the gun due to oxidation of the > copper > bit.This drops the current through the bit and so the heating power. > All > you have to do occasionally is re-tighten the nuts that hold the bit > to > sort this out. > > Brandon > UK<< > > Mike, > I have the Weller GT-7A solid state soldering gun which is the Weller > model generaly used in stained glass work. It has a slip in heater > element/ tip assembly that avoids the nut problem reported above. The > iron is 150 watt, heats quickly and is excellent for tacking and > finer soldering work such as you often do. It is not the best choice > for long runs in heavy seams as due to its construction will not keep > up with a100 watt iron. > > One quickly learns to work the trigger to maintain soldering > temperature. I believe you will find this tool very handy. The only > draw back I can think of is that the heater element/tip is about 75% > of the total value of the gun. They last a long time, perhaps because > the gun is only powered while the trigger is pulled. > > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'll probably be getting that one... i burnt out an iron unpluging, and re-plugging. that's why i want to switch to a gun for the tacking. it should also be good for box chain, and small detail work... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 17:33:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:52:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copy of: RE: 2 soldering irons Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:50:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.135046.0> References: <<1998Dec21.10269.0>> Precedence: bulk Dani Greer wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > From: Dani Greer, 105715,1412 > TO: BOB DUCHESNEAU, INTERNET:YWAH36A@prodigy.com > DATE: 12/21/98 1:25 PM > > RE: Copy of: RE: 2 soldering irons > > I agree, Bob, that the Weller soldering > gun is not good for long runs and big > jobs. We use ours only for soldering > panels in place on site. I use the = > > Weller 100 almost exclusively, Michael > also uses the Weller 120. The = > > Hexacons are also excellent irons if > you do large panels in copper foil. They > are not for the inexperienced, though, > heat cracking being a major concern > while using them. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah hexacon is a good iron, but they're very heavy to use. my arm hurts after using it... i have several, 150w 300w and a 550w. the 550w is about 5 pounds and has a 1" diameter copper tip. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 17:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:54:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: Shay Friel To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Help! Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:53:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.135350.0> Precedence: bulk I am here asking for help. I have not been doing glass very long and I have yet to perfect my solder technique. At what point do you accept what you have done and stop going over it and seemingly make one spot look better and then find out that you made two more look "not so good"? It is driving me nuts. IIs it just practice, practice and more practice to get soldering right? Shay Friel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 18:37:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:08:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:07:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.13724.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry gang I can't come out and play on this one. I'm too busy hemming my TuTu, after that I'm going to watch a football game while I finish my embroidery. Just a minute I was interrupted ..... What dear? ..... yes dear. I don't know what she said. She always accuses me of not listening when she talks .... at least that's what I think she says. Happy Holidays Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 19:05:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:34:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glass questions Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:32:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.153249.0> Precedence: bulk Happy Holidays. I have a lurker's glass question. In fact, two. Both related to cleaning glass. 1. Seems to me I always see = comments that ammonia = containing glass cleaners should not be used on stained glass. Why? 2. I have offered to help a friend = clean a stained glass panel. In this case cleaning will involve attempting to remove the "glass wax" which was used on craquel glass and is now embedded in the "cracks" of the glass appearing as a yellowish white residue. My first attempt, standing the panel in a shower and rinsing with a brush and Joy removed some but left much embedded residue. I'm considering using a "wax stripper" usually used for floor wax. = But unsure it's the best move. How about some of your great guidance and recommendations on these cleaning questions. Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com Monday, December 21, 1998 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 19:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:36:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: seaspray@mail.island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG;women and choice and my billion cookies Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:34:50 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.13450.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/98 5:39:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, seaspray@mail.island.net writes: > My only hope is that the woman who reported baking 20 dozen cookies...my god > is she opening a bakery...realizes she has choices...and can probably make > better use of her time doing something besides making MORE cookies. Since this was publicly directed at me, my response will also be public. I LIKE MAKING COOKIES. I pulled out the books, looked at the pictures, made what I wanted and will give them to who I want. Is making cookies too domestic? If I had said I built and upholstered an ottoman, sanded a hardwood floor, fixed the washing machine, did the brakes on the car or roto tilled the garden would my activities be more acceptable? I have done all the preceding and don't feel I am any less deserving of respect because I made cookies all day Sunday. I work full time, am raising 4 children completely by myself, go to school and really appreciated the time I "wasted" making cookies. I read and accepted your viewpoint, I only ask you do the same. Thank you. pat ps. Are you aware how many cookies you would need to open a bakery? At least 30 dozen, but then I still do have dough in the refrigerator. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 19:23:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:06:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Shay Friel" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help! Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:05:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.14524.0> Precedence: bulk Sounds like you are staying in one spot too long. Try this if you are using foil, instead of following the foil try going across the foil sideways and see the nice rounded top. If you have a lot of space between the pieces, place a wet towel under the project, this will allow the solder to harden on the bottom while still liquid on the top. Practice, practice, practice, and don't be so critical of yourself. Stained Glass is meant to be admired from a distance. -----Original Message----- From: Shay Friel To: Stained Glass Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 7:49 PM Subject: Help! >I am here asking for help. I have not been doing glass very long and I >have yet to perfect my solder technique. At what point do you accept >what you have done and stop going over it and seemingly make one spot >look better and then find out that you made two more look "not so good"? >It is driving me nuts. IIs it just practice, practice and more practice >to get soldering right? > >Shay Friel >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 19:36:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:14:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Shay Friel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help! Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.161445.0> References: <<1998Dec21.135350.0>> Precedence: bulk Shay Friel wrote: > > I am here asking for help. I have not been doing glass very long and I > have yet to perfect my solder technique. At what point do you accept > what you have done and stop going over it and seemingly make one spot > look better and then find out that you made two more look "not so good"? > It is driving me nuts. IIs it just practice, practice and more practice > to get soldering right? > > Shay Friel > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yes it's always practice. you don't want to keep going over the same lines. the solder will just get worse. the glass may crack and the foil may unstick. just keep an eye on how the solder flows, and don't move too quickly. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 19:38:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:26:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Help! Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:20:06 -0500 Message-ID: <199812220220.VAA28417@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Shay writes: >I am here asking for help. I have not been doing glass very long and I >have yet to perfect my solder technique. At what point do you accept >what you have done and stop going over it and seemingly make one spot >look better and then find out that you made two more look "not so good"? >It is driving me nuts. IIs it just practice, practice and more practice >to get soldering right? Shay, you can solder till the cows come home. As long as you don't stay too long in one place and let it overheat, then the glass could crack. That is not pleasant. Plus then you get a crash course in repair which you hadn't expected. You accept it at the point where you can live with it; you go on and do more, more, more until you get a real feel for how the solder flows at different temperatures, how much flux to put on, how it flows differently with different pressure, what happens when you pick the iron up quickly and when to keep on going to the end of the line, whether you prefer holding the solder over the iron and let it drip down over the top or whether you push the solder under the iron. You and your iron will become intimate. All these things take time and practice. One day you will be saying to yourself, "Oh, I get it now, it's starting to feel right." You will know when that happens. Keep on going and soon you will be soldering with the pros! Promise!!! Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 20:39:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:52:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Subject: Putting Large Bevel Clusters in Window Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:51:06 -0500 Message-ID: <199812220350.WAA13486@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Re:Bevel Clusters I have used bevels in my own designs, and I have used bevels on the edges of windows. I have never bought a large bevel cluster and incorporated it into a window. Large Bevel Cluster for Transom over front door. It came with a drawing, are they true to the drawings?, and I can use that xerox copy as part of my drawing? Am I going to leave the same distance for came as usual in my drawing? Any handy hints or suggestions, I am open. I thought I would just assemble the bevels, put them in my drawing, and double checking again, before I do the final blueprint. I just want to do this right the first time. Once all that is done, then cut the surrounding glass and lead as usual. Thanks, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 22:10:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:21:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Help! Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:20:46 -0800 Message-ID: <199812220520.VAA26156@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk >Shay Friel wrote: >> >> I am here asking for help. I have not been doing glass very long and I >> have yet to perfect my solder technique. At what point do you accept >> what you have done and stop going over it and seemingly make one spot >> look better and then find out that you made two more look "not so good"? >> It is driving me nuts. IIs it just practice, practice and more practice >> to get soldering right? >> >> Shay Friel Hi Shay...that's a tough one, and one I can truly relate tol. Soldering used to be the hardest part of the whole process for me...in fact for 7 years I struggled with it. And guess what? it's now my favorite part. I think the answer is "shortly before you drive yourself nuts". I still have the second piece of glass I ever did (my mom has the first) and I can remember that I drove the instructor nuts trying to perfect it. Do you know if you are using 50/50 or 60/40 solder? I think 50/50 would be better for a beginner to use since it is more forgiving. If you start fiddling with 60/40 you have to remelt the whole seam to make it look any good. with 50/50 you can remelt an inch or so, pause, lift the tip and move along another inch or so...it's basically easier to fiddle with. Good luck. Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 22:38:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:51:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: kwic.com!mccart From: "kirk mccarthy." To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: mail order glass Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: <199812220549.AAA00415@a.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk Hi all of you who wish to find mail order glass in Canada: The Glass Place 1-800-363-7855 they have a catalogue and also deal in wholesale prices. They have been a good experience for me in the past Good luck! P.McCarthy stained glass artist ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 22:47:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:53:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: Carol Swann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:51:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.195154.0> References: <<199812202153.NAA18705@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk I am a woman. A wife, mother, grandmother and mommy to two fur kids (Golden Retrievers.) I love being all the above. My dearest friend, confidant and the person I love and totally trust is a MAN. My husband. We have been together for 30 years. We are partners in the good times and the bad. We do things together. Christmas is magical for us. Sorry it's not for you. Are you so busy this time of year because of Christmas business? If so I would think it unwise for you to let your customers know how cynical you are about many things that most us value very dearly. When I was out in the work force I learned that I would much rather work with men than women. The reason being, some women are petty, cruel, catty etc. Men, I found to be honest, kind and very helpful. Hubby has another batch of cookies done and milk poured for us. Our FEMALE golden has the F--ts from too many cookie samples. Life is Good if you are Happy with Yourself!! Goldpaws Carol Swann wrote: > > As I've been fitting glass this afternoon and pondering further the questio > of balancing a stained glass business with the Christmas "silly season", > I've come up with a new thought. > > I know we have a lot of intelligent thinking women (and men...some of whom > we wonder about...those in tiaras and tutututs???) on this group. > Dorothy...this line of thought was brought about your post which was a plea > for help doing houseowrk and baking cookies. > > The question I have for you is WHY ISN'T YOUR HUSBAND DOING 50% of > this...can't he vacuum while you cut glass. Does he not have 2 arms and > legs...(Not meant as an attack on him personally, just using him as an > example of the "privileged" American male). > > Is the "silly season" hype not just another representation of WASP male > privilege...men expect a decorated home, a beer, their football games, a > turkey so they can sit back and belch aafterwords...how many of them > actually help prepare the home and meal for the big belching event? How many > do the dishes afterwards...I can tell ya right now...close to zero...that's > why it's hardly worth keeping one around. > > So I ask you all for input::: Is Christmas hype not just another form of > female exploitation?????? > > This seems like a reah AH-HA to me and I can't believe that no one's ever > seen it before. Or maybe it's some kind of sacred cow because we're > supposed to be all lovey dovey and harmonious at this time of year...sort of > like no one talked about domestic abuse 10 years ago and now women aren't > putting up with that shit anymore. > > I'd love feedbak on this...I'm going to start writing some editorial and > press releases now for next Christmas as a way of bringing this issue to the > fore... > > Carol > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > http://www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 21 22:59:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:01:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: Shay Friel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:00:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.20017.0> References: <<1998Dec21.135350.0>> Precedence: bulk Try using steel wool or bronze wool. Go across lines and then see how they look. This will take out some imperfections, If you are not satisfied touch it up/ I am also still working on my soldering and this really helps. Shay Friel wrote: > > I am here asking for help. I have not been doing glass very long and I > have yet to perfect my solder technique. At what point do you accept > what you have done and stop going over it and seemingly make one spot > look better and then find out that you made two more look "not so good"? > It is driving me nuts. IIs it just practice, practice and more practice > to get soldering right? > > Shay Friel > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 05:15:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:28:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NG;women and choice and my billion cookies Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:33:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199812221224.HAA12789@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > > My only hope is that the woman who reported baking 20 dozen cookies...my god > > is she opening a bakery...realizes she has choices...and can probably make > > better use of her time doing something besides making MORE cookies. I suspect that anyone who's making 20 dozen cookies has loved ones around who love eating them. There are only three in our household and that many cookies would be too many, but I think Julie made four dozen for the three of us and we're getting low. (I just love biting the heads off sugar cookie angels with red hots for eyes ... diabolical!) Have a nice Christmas, everyone! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 05:46:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:48:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: soldering irons Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:37:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec21.233722.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I believe other people were using Unger (sp) soldering irons and liked them. I'm giving up on my Weller, it's too heavy for me, but the Unger looks more user friendly and I like the tips that are available, they look as if they'd be useful with decorative soldering. I'm not chucking the Weller, I never chuck anything out, that's why my workroom is such as mess. The Unger came packaged in Weller packaging. Are they one and the same now or has it always been this way? I'm having another blonde moment and can't remember. Patrick's advice to use the iron sideways is one that I use to get a nice bead and it's a good suggestion Shay. Try it. Soldering used to be my main PIA, but I enjoy it now too and hope to enjoy it with my Unger even more. I am interested, Mike, in the soldering gun, it looks as if it would be useful for tight places. Would like to hear your input once you get it. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 06:16:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 05:23:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: "James C. Kelly" , bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass questions Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:23:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981222082338.006a3dd0@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk My first attempt, standing the >panel in a shower and rinsing >with a brush and Joy removed some >but left much embedded residue. >I'm considering using a "wax >stripper" usually used for floor wax. = > >But unsure it's the best move. >How about some of your great >guidance and recommendations on >these cleaning questions. NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! Do not use a wax stripper on clear cathedral glass! My worst project from hell occurred because I polished the black patina with carnauba wax, and then the customer said it looked too shiney and new, and could I please remove it? Well of course I could.....and I proceeded to use wax stripper and spotted up the entire piece and almost had to trash it and start over. The only solution that worked for me was "the stain remover that really works", and it did to an extent, but I did end up replacing a few pieces anyway! Ooooooh what a nightmare, if only I had known about bungi then! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 06:50:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 05:50:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Help! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 05:49:47 -0800 Message-ID: <199812221349.FAA25923@ark.com> Precedence: bulk >To: Shay Friel >From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) >Subject: Re: Help! >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Shay...I am sure that is what is called 'the million dollar question'. One measure that I use is to keep repairing until you are happy and then do it "just one more time!" This; of course; is the part where you have gone too far. I can just see everones head nodding "yes" BEEN THERE; DONE THAT! It will come with patience and experience. (I have redone many pieces that I did when I first started. (They looked good then, but now really look quite bad!) The best advise is to solder it up, look it over objectively, walk away for a bit and then re-evaluate it----if it still looks OK, then good enough! >The short answer to your question is: "Is it good enough?" If you are not happy with it, then it is not good enough, re-do it until you are happy. Even the many years put in by the long outstanding pro's have a bad solder day, (Part of the fun!) >GOOD LUCK AND HANG IN THERE!! >...Wayne > >>I am here asking for help. I have not been doing glass very long and I >>have yet to perfect my solder technique. At what point do you accept >>what you have done and stop going over it and seemingly make one spot >>look better and then find out that you made two more look "not so good"? >>It is driving me nuts. IIs it just practice, practice and more practice >>to get soldering right? >> >>Shay Friel >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 07:15:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 05:53:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Edge lighting plate glass Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:56:39 -0500 Message-ID: <19981222135200.DHPB320@vic> Precedence: bulk I am working on a sand carved/etched decorative fireplace screen using a 1/2" x 2' x 3' piece of plate glass. It is our desire to frame this with either brushed stainless, pewter or gun metal steel. I have designed the frame already and have a source for the stock. However before I take it to a fabricator to have it built I would like to know if anyone has had experience with edge lighting and could give me some insight as to the size and form of lighting to use. I have ordered a 1/2" x 30' rope light with transformer and dimmer which I can adapt and intend to use for this purpose. TIA Merry Christmas and a Healthy, Happy and Prosperous New Year. Ciao Vic LaGreca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 07:48:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: LJ Maas To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering irons Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:32:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.23236.0> References: <<1998Dec21.233722.0>> Precedence: bulk Carol Tombro wrote: > > I believe other people were using Unger (sp) soldering irons and liked > them. I'm giving up on my Weller, it's too heavy for me, but the Unger > looks more user friendly and I like the tips that are available, they > look as if they'd be useful with decorative soldering. I'm not chucking > the Weller, I never chuck anything out, that's why my workroom is such > as mess. The Unger came packaged in Weller packaging. Are they one and > the same now or has it always been this way? Funny, I finally gave up on my Ungar and bought a Weller 100 yesterday! I had an Ungar model that did not have seperate tips...you had to replace the whole "integral heater/tip" if you needed a new tip! Which I did after two years of correct use. A hole was burned into the flat side of the tip. The company said that was unusual...2 years later and the same thing happened to me over the weekend. The replacement unit cost me $37 a pop so I'm giving up! I went with a Weller. I guess you should be sure about which model you're buying...I thought mine had a seperate tip too. Actually, Ungar & Weller are made by the same company...Cooper Tools. The Ungar is nice and light, but I've just had a bad experience, perhaps others have not. I thought that Mika also made a nice light iron. LJ ______________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" ART WITH ATTITUDE Web Design "take a look at some of our client's pages!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 08:15:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:39:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: "glass" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Christmas Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:37:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.163748.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BE2DC1.071C8440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Christmas to all bungi from Poland Pawel Pawel Karaszkiewicz zekarasz@cyf-kr.edu.pl ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BE2DC1.071C8440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BE2DC1.071C8440-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 08:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:52:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:51:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.145138.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/98 8:39:12 PM, chitchay@worldnet.att.net wrote: >I have not been doing glass very long and I >have yet to perfect my solder technique. At what point do you accept >what you have done and stop going over it and seemingly make one spot >look better and then find out that you made two more look "not so good"? >It is driving me nuts. Is it just practice, practice and more practice >to get soldering right? That's exactly what it is. You might try fiddling with the heat setting on your iron too. I couldn't get a smooth bead to save my life until I turned my (Inland Temptrol 100) iron almost all the way up and started moving faster to "outrun" my shaky hand, and learned to work with the surface tension of fully molten solder. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 08:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:52:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG Christmas presents (was exploitation.....) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:51:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.145117.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/98 4:33:21 PM, grannyandpawpaw wrote: >For Christmas she's getting a 3 cylinder diesel tractor with a >back-hoe....No kidding...it's all the truth. Awwwwwwwww, now you've done it! You've got me smitten with lust for something I never even heard of and have no conceivable use for...... but it's a piece of "construction equipment" and it exists, therefore I want it ....... actually I'd settle for one of those Bobcats with the dual-lever controls - the one you can spin in place if you're feeling silly - and all the attachments (fork lift, front-loader, snow plow, etc. etc...............) *********MORE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!********** Sparks, who hopes Santa Claus (or is it Shlomo Claus, seeing as how my sweetie is Jewish, which also means I *don't* have to go overboard "doing Xmas," baruch hashem!) brings her a telescope this year....... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 08:41:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:19:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: o/t But I love to bake was: NG;women and choice Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:18:14 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.151814.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/98 5:39:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, seaspray@mail.island.net writes: << My only hope is that the woman who reported baking 20 dozen cookies...my god is she opening a bakery...realizes she has choices...and can probably make better use of her time doing something besides making MORE cookies. >> Homemade cookies are the best in the world, better then any store bought ones. I love to bake. Just got the new Christmas Cookie Magazine with a different cookie recipe from each state in the union. I admit I've never baked 20 dozen cookies at one time (that is what a freezer is for) but I have come close some times. It's a special holiday event my whole family loves. The nephews adore helping with the frosting. There are lots of laugher and sampling of the cookies before they are done. :) No one makes me bake cookies (or fudge or anything else for Christmas) but sometime I get "Hey, Dianne, those ? cookies were great last time, if you make more cookies this year, will you make some of those?" That just makes the whole day for me. :) Bake on, Dianne PS. I'm not a professional glass maker, so I finished my all of my glass projects last month for the holidays. We made snowflakes this year for everyone. They turned out very nice. Last year it was glass trees. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 08:46:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:53:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Putting Large Bevel Clusters in Window Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:51:39 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.145139.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/98 11:40:08 PM, andor@fair.net wrote: >Large Bevel Cluster for Transom over front door. It came with a drawing, >are they true to the drawings? That's the $64 question. The answer is, NOT NECESSARILY! You won't know until you lay the actual pieces out on your drawing. I've seen some bevel clusters that bear only a mild resemblance in shape, size, or even design(!) to the drawings that came with them. Like the fella said, "It's better to mock up than to **** up." Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 08:58:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:53:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: "Yellow wax buildup" and the nastiest chemical on earth (Re: Glass questions) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:51:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.14519.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/98 10:05:32 PM, gcanvas@compuserve.com wrote: >2. I have offered to help a friend >clean a stained glass panel. >In this case cleaning will involve >attempting to remove the "glass wax" >which was used on craquel glass and >is now embedded in the "cracks" of the >glass Wax remover is worth a try. I'd test it on a small area first. (I've also gotten old putty off of glue chip using turpentine and a Dremel with a fine wire brush. Wouldn't try it on other textures though.) If it's *really* bad, there's regular paint remover. We had to resort to that a couple of weeks ago on a pair of leaded windows for one of Christie's customers. Someone had actually *painted* the lead cames way-back-in-the-way- back (dark blue, and a sloppy job to boot), and there was ancient paint in all the nooks and crannies of the glass. I suggested paint remover and she sent me down to the hardware store, where I picked up this stuff called "Dad's Easy-Spray." Acetone, toluene, methylene chloride, xylene, you name it - and it sure got the paint (as well as a lot of old sloppy putty) off and left the glass intact. (Fear not, we used it outside - fortunately we were having temps around 70.) I have to say though, that stuff is ***NASTY***!!!!!!!!!! It also eats skin *and* those thin latex gloves. Next time we get to slopping in it, we're going to have to get those blue or black neoprene chemical-resistant heavy-duty gloves. p.s. As awful as that process is, I *still* prefer it to washing dishes. Dishes are my sweetie's territory, I have dibs on laundry (partly because I don't mind it, and partly in self-defense - I want my size 16 shirts to *stay* size 16!) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 09:09:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:58:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Carol Tombro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering irons Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:59:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.45910.0> References: <<1998Dec21.233722.0>> Precedence: bulk Carol Tombro wrote: > > I believe other people were using Unger (sp) soldering irons and liked > them. I'm giving up on my Weller, it's too heavy for me, but the Unger > looks more user friendly and I like the tips that are available, they > look as if they'd be useful with decorative soldering. I'm not chucking > the Weller, I never chuck anything out, that's why my workroom is such > as mess. The Unger came packaged in Weller packaging. Are they one and > the same now or has it always been this way? I'm having another blonde > moment and can't remember. > > Patrick's advice to use the iron sideways is one that I use to get a > nice bead and it's a good suggestion Shay. Try it. Soldering used to > be my main PIA, but I enjoy it now too and hope to enjoy it with my > Unger even more. I am interested, Mike, in the soldering gun, it looks > as if it would be useful for tight places. Would like to hear your > input once you get it. > > Carol T > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah, ungar and weller are the same company, Copper tools owns them, along with a bunch of other tools, including stanly i believe. ungar is very light weight and the handle does'nt get hot. but the tip is very expensive. i just have to get to ordering the stuff now... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 09:14:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:23:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charles_Spitzer From: "Charles Spitzer" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Edge lighting plate glass Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:25:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.12548.0> Precedence: bulk this is becoming a very popular pool device here in phoenix. try looking for info from pool supply stores. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: vlg@worldnet.att.net To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 6:56 AM Subject: Edge lighting plate glass >I am working on a sand carved/etched decorative fireplace screen using a >1/2" x 2' x 3' piece of plate glass. It is our desire to frame this with >either brushed stainless, pewter or gun metal steel. I have designed the >frame already and have a source for the stock. However before I take it to >a fabricator to have it built I would like to know if anyone has had >experience with edge lighting and could give me some insight as to the size >and form of lighting to use. I have ordered a 1/2" x 30' rope light with >transformer and dimmer which I can adapt and intend to use for this >purpose. > >TIA > >Merry Christmas and a Healthy, Happy and Prosperous New Year. > >Ciao > >Vic LaGreca > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 09:15:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:28:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:26:28 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.152628.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/98 8:34:32 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: >yeah hexacon is a good iron, but they're very heavy to use. my arm hurts >after using it... i have several, 150w 300w and a 550w. the 550w is >about 5 pounds and has a 1" diameter copper tip. Egad, Mike, wotthehell do you use a 550-watt iron for???!!! Sparks (no pun intended) waiting with bated breath for the answer......... MORE POWER! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 09:16:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:24:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Breaking Ice(bit of Glass,bit of non glass) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:20:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.16206.0> Precedence: bulk a merry Xmas to all bungians, I am working on and off on a 24 inch by 10 inch panel of a stork standing on a riverbank over christmas. Most nights up to now to make the grinder work I have had to break the ice in the tray so that the shaft will turn. Just for laughs and if you dont mind long downloads try and find your home location or workshop on the microsoft terra server. I found my 28 ft by 12 ft workshop at the end of my garden in the UK (where i do my glass)on the pictures from space no problem. Thanks for the help in 98 hope to see you in 99 as I still have lots of glass projects to get on with. Brandon UK ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 10:09:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:57:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Putting Large Bevel Clusters in Window Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:58:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.65843.0> References: <<199812220350.WAA13486@smtp.america.net>> Precedence: bulk Yes and No. Depends on whose you get. I bought a 'Noname' cheapie to use in a gift panel. The drawing resembled the cluster, and in no way matched the dimensions of the cluster once it was leaded. Just laying the cluster on the 'pattern' - the cluster without lead was larger then the outline on paper. It was if the pattern was done on a copy machine, that slightly reduced the image. I wound up leading the cluster, then centered it on the panel cartoon. Traced around it, then hand drew the lines 1/8 inch smaller. Some of the background glass had to be tweaked to fit, but it all worked out. The original cluster pattern is hanging in the work room, where I occasionally toss darts at it when I'm particularly frustrated. Linda Letscher wrote: > It came with a drawing, > are they true to the drawings? > Thanks, Linda Jo > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 10:35:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:19:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Putting Large Bevel Clusters in Window Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:18:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.71819.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Linda Letscher" >Large Bevel Cluster for Transom over front door. It came with a drawing= , are they true to the drawings?, and I can use that xerox copy as part of = my drawing?< I never, ever trust a bevel drawing. They are never, ever the same as the bevels shipped. Take the bevels out of their package and arrange them on the drawing. Then draw around them. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 10:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Soldering Help! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:18:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.7189.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shay Friel >It is driving me nuts. IIs it just practice, practice and more practice= to get soldering right?< Going over a 'touch up' is always more difficult than doing a line the first time. The 'touch up' tends to create at least 2 marks on either side of the touch up area demarking the cool from the recently re-heated solder. So...generally I run my iron hot and medium slow, and try to do a full solder all at one time, rather than having to go over it again. But there are lots of different techniques to help improve your soldering. There are many people here who will help you. Here's some of my tips: - don't forget to re-flux a touch up spot; not too much flux though - when touching up a spot, pull the iron's head perpendicular to the solder line, so that you minimize creating solder 'tails' - do your touch up quickly so that it doesn't get too hot and create a melt through - check the angle at which you're holding the iron's tip; make sure it is not too steep an angle Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 11:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:39:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: "glass" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: cleaning Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:40:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.19400.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BE2DDA.7B1D70C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Answer for two questions concerning cleaning of wax (?) deposit and = cleaning with ammonia containing cleaners. Cleaning is always a difficult job. Wax is relatively easy to remove, = but it is not soluble in water at all so applying it is useless. All = you can do is to try a organic solvent or mixture of it. For the first test try just benzine, colourless hydrocarbon solvent = easily available in painter's shops (at least in Poland). Do NOT use = benzene!!! (aromatic hydrocarbon) - it is poisonous. Clean a surface = with cotton swabs - they will adsorb waxy substance. In cracks a small = brush will be helpful (but do not rub too hard - you can remove some = glass flakes). If this solvent do not work, try something more active - = solvent paint stripper will do. Do not use basic ones. Always use = cotton swabs since washing of all surface in one go ends with thin = layer of wax spread all over glass - it is not easy to remove and may = speed up the accumulation of dirt. As all solvents are more or less = dangerous (poisonous, irritating, combustible or narcotic) do work in a = well ventilated area (no open fire). =20 Never hurry - cleaning needs patience. Second question: ammonia with cleaning agents: from theoretical point of view ammonia itself may be harmful as glass = is not resistant to bases. But, for average modern glass, this danger is = not so great. More dangerous are abrasives added to cleaning mixtures: = they can easily scratch glass surface (even those which "do not = scrach"). Minute scratches, not visible with unaided eye, can cause = future corrosion - sometimes very far future, but we want to keep our = work in immaculate condition forever, do not we?) Happy Holydays to all Pawel PS. I have sent this message already, but it appeared blank in my = computer - so, I repeat it again. Pawel=20 Pawel Karaszkiewicz zekarasz@cyf-kr.edu.pl ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BE2DDA.7B1D70C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Answer for  two = questions=20 concerning cleaning of wax (?) deposit and cleaning with ammonia = containing=20 cleaners.
 
Cleaning is always a difficult job. Wax = is=20 relatively easy to remove, but it is not soluble in water at all so=20 applying  it is useless. All you can do is to try a organic solvent = or=20 mixture of it.
For=20 the first test try just benzine, colourless hydrocarbon solvent easily = available=20 in painter's shops (at least in Poland). Do NOT use benzene!!! (aromatic = hydrocarbon) - it is poisonous. Clean  a surface with cotton swabs = - they=20 will adsorb waxy substance. In cracks a small brush will be helpful (but = do not=20 rub too hard - you can remove some glass flakes). If this solvent do not = work,=20 try something more active - solvent paint stripper will do. Do not use = basic=20 ones.  Always use cotton swabs since  washing of all  = surface in=20 one go ends with thin layer of wax spread all over  glass - it is = not easy=20 to remove and may speed up the accumulation of dirt. As all solvents are = more or=20 less dangerous (poisonous, irritating, combustible or narcotic) do  = work in=20 a well ventilated area (no open fire).    
Never hurry - cleaning = needs=20 patience. 
Second=20 question: ammonia with cleaning agents:
from theoretical point of view ammonia = itself may=20 be harmful  as glass is not resistant to bases. But, for average = modern=20 glass, this danger is not so great. More dangerous are abrasives added = to=20 cleaning mixtures: they can easily scratch glass surface (even those = which=20 "do not scrach"). Minute scratches, not visible with unaided = eye, can=20 cause future corrosion - sometimes very far future, but we want to keep = our work=20 in immaculate condition forever, do not we?) 
 
Happy Holydays to all
Pawel
PS. I have sent this = message already,=20 but it appeared blank in my computer - so, I repeat it = again. 
 
 
Pawel
Pawel = Karaszkiewicz
zekarasz@cyf-kr.edu.pl
 
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BE2DDA.7B1D70C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 11:47:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:46:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:48:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.74828.0> References: <<1998Dec22.152628.0>> Precedence: bulk Can't speak for Mike, but did you ever try to solder that 1/4 inch brass rod that Odyssey gives you with a 20 inch lamp form with a 100 Watt iron? No way. You need brute power, as the brass is just a giant heat sink, and the solder just balls up if you melt it on the iron, or never melts if you touch it to the rod. Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > Egad, Mike, wotthehell do you use a 550-watt iron for???!!! > > Sparks (no pun intended) > waiting with bated breath for the answer......... MORE POWER! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 12:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:48:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Luanne6556 From: Luanne6556@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Help! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:46:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.17469.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_914348772_boundary Content-ID: <0_914348772@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_914348772_boundary Content-ID: <0_914348772@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Luanne6556@aol.com Return-path: To: chitchay@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Help! Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:59:23 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I do think soldering is a practiced skill. Good foil application is very helpful to the outcome of the soldering too. I also think that finding the best iron, flux and type of solder are major contributing factors. I use a Weller 100, Nokorode paste flux and 60/40 solder for all my foil work. I also tell my beginner students that sometimes you can make an area WORSE by trying to improve it. I advise students that it is almost impossible to remove every little line in the solder and sometimes the soldering looks better when it is clean of flux and the patina hides a multitude of sins. If you find a rough spot when applying the patina, you can re-flux, fix the rough spot and re-patina. Keep trying, sometimes we are our own worst critic. LUANNE --part0_914348772_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 12:09:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:30:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "kirk mccarthy." , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: mail order glass Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:28:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.62825.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Kirk, How about a Canadian bio. I know its very cold there. So pull up chair, pour a cup of whatever and start typing. You never know it may be good for business. Send me your bio pkelly@n-link.com -----Original Message----- From: kirk mccarthy. To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 12:48 AM Subject: mail order glass >Hi all of you who wish to find mail order glass in Canada: The Glass Place >1-800-363-7855 >they have a catalogue and also deal in wholesale prices. They have been a >good experience for me in the past Good luck! > P.McCarthy stained glass artist >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 12:18:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:32:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:41:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.64135.0> References: <<1998Dec22.152628.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/21/98 8:34:32 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: > > >yeah hexacon is a good iron, but they're very heavy to use. my arm hurts > >after using it... i have several, 150w 300w and a 550w. the 550w is > >about 5 pounds and has a 1" diameter copper tip. > > Egad, Mike, wotthehell do you use a 550-watt iron for???!!! > > Sparks (no pun intended) > waiting with bated breath for the answer......... MORE POWER! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass I was wonderin the same thing....but then Mike does alot of glass work that I am not even qualified to aspire to! Is that still soldering, or is it bordering on welding? ;o) Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 12:25:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:35:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG;women and choice and my billion cookies Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:32:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.63257.0> Precedence: bulk <> Albert you are my kind of guys. Almost as warped as me but not quite. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 12:28:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:40:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: What, no help? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:39:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.63927.0> Precedence: bulk <> You took it wrong my dear. I was making a feeble attempt at humor trying to cheer you up. But WOW is did get the old gray cells of the group going. Almost as much as Ed's post. I don't make judgment of anyone. I remember an old Cherokee saying that has been plagiarized "Don't judge anyone until you have walked a mile in his moccasins". Your moccasins won't fit me. Hoping you have a Joyous Holiday Season Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 12:28:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:22:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: "Yellow wax buildup" and the nastiest chemical on earth (Re: Glass questions) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:20:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.62020.0> Precedence: bulk There is a product called "Greased Lightning" that does wonders. It just melts away most gunk. It is available at Wal Mart, Lowe's, etc. Its worth a try and is about $5 a bottle. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 12:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:19:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG Merry Christmas NG Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:16:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.191632.0> Precedence: bulk >Merry Christmas to all bungi from Poland > >Pawel >Pawel Karaszkiewicz So, how does one say "Merry Christmas" in Polish? And what yummy goodies and wonderful traditions do you have there that the rest of us might not know about? We've already heard about St. Lucia and lutefisk..... anyone else? I grew up in a part of the US - the high desert of southern California - where people spray tumbleweeds with "Sno-Flock" and stack them up to make snowmen.... and make some surprisingly beautiful Xmas trees out of manzanita bushes spray-painted gold! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 12:51:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:19:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:16:34 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.191634.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/22/98 1:31:47 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com wrote: >> Egad, Mike, wotthehell do you use a 550-watt iron for???!!! >> >> Sparks (no pun intended) >> waiting with bated breath for the answer......... MORE POWER! > >I was wonderin the same thing....but then Mike does alot of glass work >that I am not even qualified to aspire to! Is that still soldering, or >is it bordering on welding? ;o) Actually, I think it goes over the line into SMELTING! (and anyone who's ever lived in a steel town knows why they call it that!) Sparks (resident of the upper Ohio valley in the late 60s, a far more scuzzy stinky place than it is now..... what a comedown after southern Calif. (LA smog notwithstanding)!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 13:01:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:49:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glasschic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Glass questions Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.94712.0> Precedence: bulk Joyce, We would try something like Naptha or lighter fluid and a scrub brush to get the wax out. Naptha is also sold as spot remover for fabric. Be cautious, the stuff is flammable!! Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 13:22:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:54:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: done Date: Tue Dec 22 11:52:31 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.92831.0> Precedence: bulk dec 22 2:45 all custom order done and ready for pick up :-) looks like it is gonna be a good christmas--never thought i would be done early debbie merry christmas and happy new year to everyone ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 13:56:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:09:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Soldering Help! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:22:35, -0500 Message-ID: <199812221922.OAA12948@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shay Friel: >>It is driving me nuts. Is it just practice, practice and more practice to get soldering right?<< With practice you will to be able to solder with a very hot iron and move quickly leaving behind nice smooth solder lines. Trouble is how do you get to that point of proficiency. You have already been given some great soldering tips. Here's some more. Hold a very hot iron about 1/4" over the area to be smoothed. The solder will melt as be drawn toward the heat and reform with out marks when the iron moves on or is removed. The iron never touches the work. You can add a bit of solder if necessary. If I have to much solder I sometimes use a copper coin to soak it up. Just flux the coin and while holding with pliars draw through the excess solder. Costs about one cent US. If you have any bubbles you are using to much flux. Bubbles are caused by steam from excess flux. Use only enough flux to BARELY wet the area to be soldered. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 14:13:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:43:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: KISS mosaic/real help question in there, too HEY I MAY KNOW THIS Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:51:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.85111.0> References: <<1998Dec21.182857.0>> Precedence: bulk > > > Dorothy, > > Being a highly untrained amateur I make my own rules as I go. Personally I > would use some rebar instead of a wood stick. I made butterflies for the yard > and they have been out there on rebar for 2 years, I only used 1/4" rebar > because I wanted it delicate, but you could use thicker rebar for a crow if it > is heavy. > > You are gonna give those wood crow people a run for their money. Now let's > see if the other glass people are going to want to set up next to you at a > show!!!!! > > IA > ---- I'd set up next to ya anyday Dorothy! Would beat the heck out of those childrens "names tapes" that were next to me last time. BTW, I sold a stone yesterday to a gal that went to the show and kept my card. Called and wanted to come see what I've got. Sure enough, I loaded one up into the back of her car. Was a nice gift she bought for that friend! ;o) Tulsa suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 14:24:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:24:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copy of: Re: NG;women and choice and my billion cookies Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:48:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.94828.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Dani Greer, 105715,1412 TO: "Albert Lewis", INTERNET:alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net DATE: 12/22/98 12:40 PM RE: Copy of: Re: NG;women and choice and my billion cookies Have a wonderful Christmas, too, Albert, and all my other bungi buddies as well. = As the year draws to a close, I'm already thinking of my resolutions for next! When I started last year, a friend gave me a quote that I have hanging over my desk: The biggest lie on the planet: When I = get what I want, I'll be happy. What is closer to the truth and what I = learned this past year: When I learn to be grateful, I'll be happy. I did learn and I am. = Food for thought to go along with all the cookies. Be happy all! Very bestest holiday blessings! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 14:39:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:05:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What, no help? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:31:38, -0500 Message-ID: <199812222031.PAA12694@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I don't make judgment of anyone. I remember an old Cherokee saying that has been plagiarized "Don't judge anyone until you have walked a mile in his moccasins". Your moccasins won't fit me.<< The second part of that old saying goes something like, "Then you will be a mile away and have his moccasins." Happy holidays, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 14:52:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:47:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: o/t cookies Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:45:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.214541.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/22/98 8:16:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: << I suspect that anyone who's making 20 dozen cookies has loved ones around who love eating them. There are only three in our household and that many cookies would be too many, but I think Julie made four dozen for the three of us and we're getting low. (I just love biting the heads off sugar cookie angels with red hots for eyes ... diabolical!) Have a nice Christmas, everyone! Albert >> Last year my nephews painted black Christmas tree cookies and green Martian angel cookies. But they tasted good. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 14:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:15:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re:Glass Questions Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.121313.0> Precedence: bulk < Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:18:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Soldering Help! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:12:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199812222213.RAA10611@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Message text written by Shay Friel: >>>It is driving me nuts. Is it just practice, practice and more >practice >to get soldering right?<< Answer by Bob Duchesneau: >With practice you will to be able to solder with a very hot iron and >move quickly leaving behind nice smooth solder lines. Trouble is how >do you get to that point of proficiency. You have already been given >some great soldering tips. Here's some more. > >Hold a very hot iron about 1/4" over the area to be smoothed. The >solder will melt as be drawn toward the heat and reform with out >marks when the iron moves on or is removed. The iron never touches >the work. You can add a bit of solder if necessary. > >If I have to much solder I sometimes use a copper coin to soak it up. >Just flux the coin and while holding with pliars draw through the >excess solder. Costs about one cent US. Bob, two excellent tips I've never heard about. I'm going upstairs right now and try them out. Thanks! Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 15:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:22:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.121944.0> References: <<1998Dec22.152628.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/21/98 8:34:32 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: > > >yeah hexacon is a good iron, but they're very heavy to use. my arm hurts > >after using it... i have several, 150w 300w and a 550w. the 550w is > >about 5 pounds and has a 1" diameter copper tip. > > Egad, Mike, wotthehell do you use a 550-watt iron for???!!! > > Sparks (no pun intended) > waiting with bated breath for the answer......... MORE POWER! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think it was used for soldering radiators. it's a real beast to work with. i sometimes have to use it when another iron is dead. it only takes a few minutes until my arm is dead... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 15:52:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:27:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:26:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.122619.0> References: <<1998Dec22.64135.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 12/21/98 8:34:32 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: > > > > >yeah hexacon is a good iron, but they're very heavy to use. my arm hurts > > >after using it... i have several, 150w 300w and a 550w. the 550w is > > >about 5 pounds and has a 1" diameter copper tip. > > > > Egad, Mike, wotthehell do you use a 550-watt iron for???!!! > > > > Sparks (no pun intended) > > waiting with bated breath for the answer......... MORE POWER! > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > I was wonderin the same thing....but then Mike does alot of glass work > that I am not even qualified to aspire to! Is that still soldering, or > is it bordering on welding? ;o) > > Tulsa Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i got it at a garage sale for 50 cents. along with the others. if i see another i'll probably get it also. this thing takes about 20 minutes to fully heat up. and about an hour to cool down. the main barrel (heating element), is about 2" or so wide. i rested it in a metal holder, put a small piece of solder in it. and let the iron hover over it, about 1/4" or so, and within about 30 seconds it was like water.... i only use it if i have to. it's heavy. it's like soldering with a small dog. (except there is less drool). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 15:53:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:46:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: PDRUSS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: NG Merry Christmas NG Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:42:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec22.224240.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/22/98 3:47:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: << So, how does one say "Merry Christmas" in Polish? >> I found this the other day. Merry Christmas! Afrikaner [Afrikaans]=09"Een Plesierige Kerfees" Amharic=09=09=09"enkwan laberhana ledat abaqqawot" OR "melkam amat ba`al yehunellachihu" Arabic =09=09=09"I'd Miilad Said Oua Sana Saida" Argentine=09=09"Felices Pascuas y Feliz A=F1o Nuevo" Armenian=09=09"Shenoraavor Nor Dari yev Pari Gaghand" Bohemian=09=09"Vesele Vanoce" Brazilian Portuguese=09"Feliz Natal e Pr=F3spero Ano Novo" Briton=09=09=09"Nedeleg laouen na bloavezh mat" Bulgarian=09=09"Tchestita Koleda" OR "Tchestito Rojdestvo Hristovo" Chinese [Mandarin]=09"Kung His Hsin Nien bing Chu Shen Tan" Chinese [Cantonese]=09"Saint Dan Fai Lok" Cornish=09=09=09"Nadelik looan na looan blethen noweth" Croatian=09=09=09"Srecna Nova Godina I Srecan Bozic" Czech=09=09=09"Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok" Danish=09=09=09"Gl=E6delig Jul" Dutch=09=09=09"Vrolijk Kerstfeest en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar" English=09=09=09"Merry Christmas" Estonian=09=09"Roomsaid joulupuhi ja onnerikast uut aast" Farsi=09=09=09"Christmas-e-shoma mobarak bashad" Filipino=09=09=09"Maligayang Pasko" Finnish=09=09=09"Hyvaa joulua" French=09=09=09"Joyeux No=EBl" Friesian=09=09=09"Noflike Krystdagen en in protte Lok en Seine yn it Nije Jier" German =09=09"Froehliche Weihnachten" Greek=09=09=09"Kala Christouyenna" Hawaiian=09=09"Mele Kalikimaka" Hebrew=09=09=09"Mo'adim Lesimkha. Chena tova" Hindi=09=09=09"Shubh Natal" Hungarian=09=09"Kellemes Karacsonyi unnepeket" Icelandic=09=09"Gledileg Jol" Indonesian=09=09"Selamat Hari Natal" Iraqi =09=09"Idah Saidan Wa Sanah Jadidah" Irish =09"Nollaig Shona Dhuit" Italian =09"Buon Natale" Japanese=09=09"Meri Kurisumasu" Korean =09"Sung Tan Chuk Ha" Latvian =09"Prieci'gus Ziemsve'tkus un Laimi'gu Jauno Gadu" Lithuanian =09"Linksmu Kaledu" Malay =09"Selamat Hari Natal dan Tahun Baru" Maori =09"Meri Kirihimete" Navajo =09"Merry Keshmish" New Guinea Pidgin=09"Meri Christmas Hepi Niuyia Lukin Yu" Norwegian=09=09"God Jul" Pennsylvania German=09"En frehlicher Grischtdaag un en hallich Nei Yaahr" Peru=09=09=09"Felices Fiestas" OR "Feliz Navidad" Polish =09"Wesolych Swiat Bozego Narodzenia" Portuguese=09=09"Boas Festas" Rumanian=09=09"Sarbatori Fericite" Russian =09=09"S Rozhdestvom" Serbia=09=09=09"Hristos se rodi" Slovakian=09=09"Sretan Bozic" OR "Vesele vianoce" Samoan=09=09=09"La Maunia Le Kilisimasi Ma Le Tausaga Fou" Scots Gaelic=09=09"Nollaig chridheil huibh" Serb-Croatian=09=09"Sretam Bozic. Vesela Nova Godina" Slovak=09=09=09"Vesele Vianoce. A stastlivy Novy Rok" Slovene=09=09=09"Vesele Bozicne. Screcno Novo Leto" Spanish=09=09=09"Feliz Navidad" Swedish=09=09"God Jul" Tahitian=09=09=09"La Orana No Te Noere" Thai=09=09=09"Sawadee Pee Mai" Turkish=09=09=09"Noeliniz Ve Yeni Yiliniz Kutlu Olsun" U.K.=09=09=09"Happy Christmas" Ukrainian=09=09"Srozhdestvom Kristovym" Uzbek=09=09=09"Yangi Yiligiz Mubarak Bolsun" Vietnamese=09=09"Chung Mung Giang Sinh" Welsh=09=09=09"Nadolig Llawen" Yugoslavian=09=09"Cestitamo Bozic" Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 16:21:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:14:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: "kirk mccarthy." , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: mail order glass Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:12:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.131234.0> Precedence: bulk Hey, if you're going to give out free plugs then you gotta check out Fantasy In Glass at 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868). They are Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. 1300 glass types/colours in stock, free studio space (2200 ft. with grinders, irons and overhead projector) and free access to a reference library with lounge which becomes a coffee shop on weekends! -----Original Message----- From: kirk mccarthy. To: glass@bungi.com Date: December 22, 1998 1:44 AM Subject: mail order glass >Hi all of you who wish to find mail order glass in Canada: The Glass Place >1-800-363-7855 >they have a catalogue and also deal in wholesale prices. They have been a >good experience for me in the past Good luck! > P.McCarthy stained glass artist >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 16:37:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:15:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: MAIL ORDER GLASS Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:13:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.131341.0> Precedence: bulk Hey, if you're going to give out free plugs then you gotta check out Fantasy In Glass at 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868). They are Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. 1300 glass types/colours in stock, free studio space (2200 ft. with grinders, irons and overhead projector) and free access to a reference library with lounge which becomes a coffee shop on weekends! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 16:51:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:15:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 500 Watts????? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:02:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.7258.0> Precedence: bulk I believe in 45watt and 50 watt Ungar irons,YEAH, I KNOW you can not solder with them, and the shades I make MUST be fakes, right? Look at the archives for a few more of my posts regarding them. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 16:53:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:21:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: done Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:02:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.13238.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:daver!one.net!kleeman >dec 22 2:45 all custom order done and ready for pick up :-)< Damn, I'm jealous. dec 22 18:00 still working on last order and anticipate 10 more hours work! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 17:08:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:47:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "suzy@comcat.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: $.01 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:47:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.74750.0> Precedence: bulk For those of you who are on a tight budget, a length of stranded copper wire will also wick up solder. You will however, need to get it HOT first. Now, somewhere in the future you will need a length of tinned wire.......lo and behold, would this "wicked" copper allow its self to be availed????? Seems to me if there is too much solder, move it to a place (preferably) on the SAME project where there is less solder. Are not you all GLAD I have participated in a glass question/observation. anyone spare a dozen cookies? We have yet to touch on the "proverbial" baker's dozen, which would skew (not screw) the multiples of 12 and allow for a few samples to be checked for quality control. Enjoy, H (who also has too much time to waste) Perhaps I will bake an un-determined amount of??????????????Would hate to lose my "curmudgeon" profile with warm and fuzzy explanations, and to all a "good PM") ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 17:25:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:35:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering Help! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:12:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.111239.0> References: <<199812221922.OAA12948@mime3.prodigy.com>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Bob, Two tips I never heard of before and I can't wait to try it. Too tired tonight, I'll finish soldering tomorrow and try out those ideas of yours. Thanks. Carol T BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > Message text written by Shay Friel: > >>It is driving me nuts. Is it just practice, practice and more > practice > to get soldering right?<< > > With practice you will to be able to solder with a very hot iron and > move quickly leaving behind nice smooth solder lines. Trouble is how > do you get to that point of proficiency. You have already been given > some great soldering tips. Here's some more. > > Hold a very hot iron about 1/4" over the area to be smoothed. The > solder will melt as be drawn toward the heat and reform with out > marks when the iron moves on or is removed. The iron never touches > the work. You can add a bit of solder if necessary. > > If I have to much solder I sometimes use a copper coin to soak it up. > Just flux the coin and while holding with pliars draw through the > excess solder. Costs about one cent US. > > If you have any bubbles you are using to much flux. Bubbles are > caused by steam from excess flux. Use only enough flux to BARELY wet > the area to be soldered. > > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 > Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 18:54:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:41:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!SUZIEQ1 From: "Sandra I Gustafson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Lighted garden stones. Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:43:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.15438.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! The other day I came across a preformed, lighted garden stone. I would like to place glass in some sort of design on the stone, but do not quite know how to do it. It seems to me that you could glue the glass (what kind of glue?) on the top and then mortor in between the pieces. Does this sound resonable? Any thoughts would be appreceiated. Thanks in advance-------------Sandy in Athens where the weather has turned cooollllddd. Brrrrr. Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 19:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:18:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: $.01 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:27:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.142716.0> References: <<1998Dec22.74750.0>> Precedence: bulk And a Ho Ho Ho to you, Howard...always drawn to your posts...one cent or 2! Got the baklava made, and doing pumpkin bread tonight. Thanks for the bungi recipes...cause that's where they came from! Come on by Howard, bring Elaine, the baklava came out great! Throwing in a glass question just for good measure...can you *ever* get enough glass? I am wondering just how much I need to spend to get there! ;o) Gotta be grateful for what I got I guess...and order more. Another sale today! Can you ever sell enough? ;o) Happy Christmas prepping! Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 19:42:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:27:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!JKSinrod From: JKSinrod@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 500 Watts????? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:25:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec23.2258.0> Precedence: bulk We used nothing but Ungers for years. Only stopped because the replacement heaters cost too much when used in production work. In a message dated 12/22/98 7:52:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, weaver51@teleport.com writes: << Subj: 500 Watts????? Date: 12/22/98 7:52:39 PM Eastern Standard Time From: weaver51@teleport.com (Howard) To: glass@bungi.com I believe in 45watt and 50 watt Ungar irons,YEAH, I KNOW you can not solder with them, and the shades I make MUST be fakes, right? Look at the archives for a few more of my posts regarding them. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 20:10:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:35:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Putting Large Bevel Clusters in Window Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:41:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.144154.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda.. I've never found any yet that were accurate... What I always do is lead the cluster then set it where I want it in the panel and trace around it.. Works fine every time... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Linda Letscher To: bungi.com Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 4:45 PM Subject: Putting Large Bevel Clusters in Window >Re:Bevel Clusters > >I have used bevels in my own designs, and I have used bevels on the edges of >windows. I have never bought a large bevel cluster and incorporated it into >a window. > >Large Bevel Cluster for Transom over front door. It came with a drawing, >are they true to the drawings?, and I can use that xerox copy as part of my >drawing? Am I going to leave the same distance for came as usual in my >drawing? Any handy hints or suggestions, I am open. > >I thought I would just assemble the bevels, put them in my drawing, and >double checking again, before I do the final blueprint. > >I just want to do this right the first time. Once all that is done, then >cut the surrounding glass and lead as usual. > >Thanks, Linda Jo > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 22:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:15:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lighted Garden Stone-more info please Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:11:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec22.131136.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists/Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk O.k. Sandy, let us stone makers in on what the garden stone looked like could you? My curiosity is way up there on that one. I've been sitting here trying to envision it. I've got some thoughts but would love to have you explain how the garden stone was constructed. I'd love to make one of those. The glue I use is "Goop" brand marine grade adhesive available at any home store. Also on some projects I will add acrylic admix instead of water to the grout for strength. You have the procedure envisioned correctly regarding application of glue, grout etc. Merry Christmas to you all! The highlight of 1999 for some will be Glass Visions and the E-Tour. I hope I will be able to shake some of your hands next year and say hello. And I thank all of you for your great advice and the smiles that you have put upon my face. It's been a pleasure :) Pam *sm* -- ********************************* The Stained Glass Artists Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director: Advertising & Marketing Proud Member Of: The Stained Glass Artists http://fly.to/The_Stained_Glass_Artists Apply for our Excellence In Design Award http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/award.html The International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 22 22:53:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Howard" , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: $.01 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: <199812230504.AAA10995@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Are not you all GLAD I have participated in a glass question/observation. Yes, they are few & far behind lately. >anyone spare a dozen cookies? We have yet to touch on the "proverbial" >baker's dozen, which would skew (not screw) the multiples of 12 and allow >for a few samples to be checked for quality control. Sorry Howard, it's midnight and I just ate the last cookie in the house. When I bake, the broken ones DO get put aside for quality control. >Enjoy, H (who also has too much time to waste) Perhaps I will bake an >un-determined amount of??????????????Would hate to lose my "curmudgeon" >profile with warm and fuzzy explanations, and to all a "good PM") You know H, you really can't fool us. We can all see under your curmudgeon facade. Happy Holidays to you and Elaine. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 04:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:38:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:36:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.13649.0> Precedence: bulk Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? When I used to sew, it seems that projects were better when I bought the fabric after I had the project defined. Now with glass, I'm not so sure that is best. I love having glass to select from (though I have a hard time keeping it organized ...and I have such a small stash). I try to keep the glasses that I use frequently, like spectrum's grey opal and honey opal, a selection of clears, like water glass and artiques. I bought a whole sheet of something that looks like melted crayons and haven't found a use for it yet. Every time I think of it, it seems a pity to cut it for some silly project, but then I may never do a project worthy of this glass. Of course, I keep a little pink of odd manufacturers for trim and highlight. I'm not a flower person so I don't need much. I seem to use a lot of white and black. What do you keep around and use over and over? And now the poem that prompted the Subject Line "Which First". Which First Chicken? Which First Egg? He drinks because she scolds he thinks. She thinks she scolds because he drinks. And neither will admit what's true, That he's a sot and she's a shrew. Ogden Nash Merry Christmas to all on Bungi Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 04:50:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:14:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: cyf-kr.edu.pl!zekarasz From: "Pawel Karaszkiewicz" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Odp: NG Merry Christmas NG Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:14:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.131453.0> Precedence: bulk In Polish it runs: Merry Christmas: Wesolych Swiat Happy New Year Do Siego Roku or Szczesliwego Nowego Roku So I wish it to all of you Pawel -----Wiadomo=9C=E6 orginalna----- Od: PDRUSS@aol.com Do: glass@bungi.com Data: 23 grudnia 1998 00:56 Temat: Re: NG Merry Christmas NG >In a message dated 12/22/98 3:47:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > ><< > So, how does one say "Merry Christmas" in Polish? >> > > > > >I found this the other day. > > >Merry Christmas! > >Afrikaner [Afrikaans]=3D09"Een Plesierige Kerfees" >Amharic=3D09=3D09=3D09"enkwan laberhana ledat abaqqawot" OR "melkam amat= ba`al >yehunellachihu" >Arabic =3D09=3D09=3D09"I'd Miilad Said Oua Sana Saida" >Argentine=3D09=3D09"Felices Pascuas y Feliz A=3DF1o Nuevo" >Armenian=3D09=3D09"Shenoraavor Nor Dari yev Pari Gaghand" >Bohemian=3D09=3D09"Vesele Vanoce" >Brazilian Portuguese=3D09"Feliz Natal e Pr=3DF3spero Ano Novo" >Briton=3D09=3D09=3D09"Nedeleg laouen na bloavezh mat" >Bulgarian=3D09=3D09"Tchestita Koleda" OR "Tchestito Rojdestvo Hristovo" >Chinese [Mandarin]=3D09"Kung His Hsin Nien bing Chu Shen Tan" >Chinese [Cantonese]=3D09"Saint Dan Fai Lok" >Cornish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Nadelik looan na looan blethen noweth" >Croatian=3D09=3D09=3D09"Srecna Nova Godina I Srecan Bozic" >Czech=3D09=3D09=3D09"Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok" >Danish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Gl=3DE6delig Jul" >Dutch=3D09=3D09=3D09"Vrolijk Kerstfeest en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar" >English=3D09=3D09=3D09"Merry Christmas" >Estonian=3D09=3D09"Roomsaid joulupuhi ja onnerikast uut aast" >Farsi=3D09=3D09=3D09"Christmas-e-shoma mobarak bashad" >Filipino=3D09=3D09=3D09"Maligayang Pasko" >Finnish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Hyvaa joulua" >French=3D09=3D09=3D09"Joyeux No=3DEBl" >Friesian=3D09=3D09=3D09"Noflike Krystdagen en in protte Lok en Seine yn = it Nije >Jier" >German =3D09=3D09"Froehliche Weihnachten" >Greek=3D09=3D09=3D09"Kala Christouyenna" >Hawaiian=3D09=3D09"Mele Kalikimaka" >Hebrew=3D09=3D09=3D09"Mo'adim Lesimkha. Chena tova" >Hindi=3D09=3D09=3D09"Shubh Natal" >Hungarian=3D09=3D09"Kellemes Karacsonyi unnepeket" >Icelandic=3D09=3D09"Gledileg Jol" >Indonesian=3D09=3D09"Selamat Hari Natal" >Iraqi =3D09=3D09"Idah Saidan Wa Sanah Jadidah" >Irish =3D09"Nollaig Shona Dhuit" >Italian =3D09"Buon Natale" >Japanese=3D09=3D09"Meri Kurisumasu" >Korean =3D09"Sung Tan Chuk Ha" >Latvian =3D09"Prieci'gus Ziemsve'tkus un Laimi'gu Jauno G= adu" >Lithuanian =3D09"Linksmu Kaledu" >Malay =3D09"Selamat Hari Natal dan Tahun Baru" >Maori =3D09"Meri Kirihimete" >Navajo =3D09"Merry Keshmish" >New Guinea Pidgin=3D09"Meri Christmas Hepi Niuyia Lukin Yu" >Norwegian=3D09=3D09"God Jul" >Pennsylvania German=3D09"En frehlicher Grischtdaag un en hallich Nei Yaa= hr" >Peru=3D09=3D09=3D09"Felices Fiestas" OR "Feliz Navidad" >Polish =3D09"Wesolych Swiat Bozego Narodzenia" >Portuguese=3D09=3D09"Boas Festas" >Rumanian=3D09=3D09"Sarbatori Fericite" >Russian =3D09=3D09"S Rozhdestvom" >Serbia=3D09=3D09=3D09"Hristos se rodi" >Slovakian=3D09=3D09"Sretan Bozic" OR "Vesele vianoce" >Samoan=3D09=3D09=3D09"La Maunia Le Kilisimasi Ma Le Tausaga Fou" >Scots Gaelic=3D09=3D09"Nollaig chridheil huibh" >Serb-Croatian=3D09=3D09"Sretam Bozic. Vesela Nova Godina" >Slovak=3D09=3D09=3D09"Vesele Vianoce. A stastlivy Novy Rok" >Slovene=3D09=3D09=3D09"Vesele Bozicne. Screcno Novo Leto" >Spanish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Feliz Navidad" >Swedish=3D09=3D09"God Jul" >Tahitian=3D09=3D09=3D09"La Orana No Te Noere" >Thai=3D09=3D09=3D09"Sawadee Pee Mai" >Turkish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Noeliniz Ve Yeni Yiliniz Kutlu Olsun" >U.K.=3D09=3D09=3D09"Happy Christmas" >Ukrainian=3D09=3D09"Srozhdestvom Kristovym" >Uzbek=3D09=3D09=3D09"Yangi Yiligiz Mubarak Bolsun" >Vietnamese=3D09=3D09"Chung Mung Giang Sinh" >Welsh=3D09=3D09=3D09"Nadolig Llawen" >Yugoslavian=3D09=3D09"Cestitamo Bozic" > > > > >Dianne > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 06:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:23:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele Spruill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: oil cutter Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:21:35 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec23.132135.0> Precedence: bulk I have a Toyo oil cutter. It's time for a new wheel. My cutter has always leaked, some days more than others. It leaks from every opening- the oil fill opening, the joint above the wheel, and I also suspect, from some of the seams. By leaking, I'm talking about having to stop and wipe my hands after every cut. It has done this since I purchased it. Does anyone else have this problem? I'm trying to figure out if I should buy a replacement cutter assembly, or if I should get a new cutter instead. Michele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 06:57:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:43:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Wed Dec 23 05:42:07 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.3187.0> Precedence: bulk linda i think the best answer to your question is both i think the glass answer is that it works both ways--i also sew and agree with you--it is easier to use scrap glass than scrap material i agree with the glass you are stalking, i also try to keep a piece of cathedral in the six major colors (red, orange, yellow....) this gives me a little bit of glass to see if i like a color somewhere, and also if i like it and don't have enough, i can start the project while waiting for the rest of the glass to come in (i order all my glass, i am a store front) debbie -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 7:47 AM Subject: Which First-Definately Glass >Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are >going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass >specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make >you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? > >When I used to sew, it seems that projects were better when I bought the >fabric after I had the project defined. Now with glass, I'm not so sure >that is best. I love having glass to select from (though I have a hard time >keeping it organized ...and I have such a small stash). I try to keep the >glasses that I use frequently, like spectrum's grey opal and honey opal, a >selection of clears, like water glass and artiques. I bought a whole sheet >of something that looks like melted crayons and haven't found a use for it >yet. Every time I think of it, it seems a pity to cut it for some silly >project, but then I may never do a project worthy of this glass. Of course, >I keep a little pink of odd manufacturers for trim and highlight. I'm not a >flower person so I don't need much. I seem to use a lot of white and black. >What do you keep around and use over and over? > >And now the poem that prompted the Subject Line "Which First". > >Which First Chicken? >Which First Egg? > >He drinks because she scolds he thinks. >She thinks she scolds because he drinks. >And neither will admit what's true, >That he's a sot and she's a shrew. > >Ogden Nash > > >Merry Christmas to all on Bungi > >Linda Campbell >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 07:28:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: socent.org!atf From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" To: Howard , bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: 50's lamp shade Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:52:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.3527.0> Organization: SOC Enterprises Precedence: bulk Oh, Howard sage of lamps...I need your help! (understatement) I have a 50's lamp base that I would like to make a drum shade for. Approx. 16" dia & 8" deep. Is this possible? What type of crossbar to use? Will gravity let it stay in one piece? TIA K See ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 08:01:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:43:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:39:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec23.143938.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/22/98 5:19:21 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: >i think it was used for soldering radiators. it's a real beast to work >with. i sometimes have to use it when another iron is dead. it only >takes a few minutes until my arm is dead... Have you ever thought of doing what a lot of industries (motor-vehicle makers, f'rinstance) do with their welding apparatus, suspending the thing from the ceiling by a bungi cord (no pun intended) or some other sort of spring-loaded or counterweighted device to support the weight? Then you'd only have to steer the thing. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 09:07:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:20:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <199812231414.JAA15813@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Linda writes: >Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are >going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass >specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make >you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? I do! I do! When I see a beautiful piece of glass I get it if I can, and how to use it will come later. I saw a piece like melted crayons by Kokomo, it took my breath away. Only 8x10 and that's all they had. Finally decided it would be a wonderful desert sky behind a pyramid. I cut it minimally, slipped the pyramid in, and surrounded with an intricate border. Now when the low winter sun hits it, it still takes my breath away! (snip) >What do you keep around and use over and over? I keep a little of almost everything standard so I can choose my glass at home rather than the store. Or at least I have them in scraps. Almost every color of waterglass, baroque. Ditto for Spectrum wispy. Most gluechips, new antiques, English Muffles. The fantastic stuff usually gets picked for the project. Loved Ogden's poem. Thanks. Happy Holidays to Everyone and a Merry New Year, too. Suzannah >And now the poem that prompted the Subject Line "Which First". > >Which First Chicken? >Which First Egg? > >He drinks because she scolds he thinks. >She thinks she scolds because he drinks. >And neither will admit what's true, >That he's a sot and she's a shrew. > >Ogden Nash > > >Merry Christmas to all on Bungi > >Linda Campbell >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 09:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:52:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Michele Spruill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:52:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.55210.0> References: <<1998Dec23.132135.0>> Precedence: bulk Michele Spruill wrote: > > I have a Toyo oil cutter. It's time for a new wheel. My cutter has > always leaked, some days more than others. It leaks from every opening- > the oil fill opening, the joint above the wheel, and I also suspect, > from some of the seams. By leaking, I'm talking about having to stop and > wipe my hands after every cut. It has done this since I purchased it. > Does anyone else have this problem? I'm trying to figure out if I > should buy a replacement cutter assembly, or if I should get a new > cutter instead. > > Michele > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've had the toyo pistol grip, and it has always leaked. i think all toyo's leak. get a fletcher scoremaster. it has never leaked. the only problem i ever has was that the scoremaster 3 cracked. and fletcher replaced it for me. that problem does'nt happen now since they introduced the gold tip model. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 09:21:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:29:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unforgettable.com!shorelineglassworks From: NCScoutr To: glass@bungi.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:13:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.31345.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 09:30:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:30:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: unforgettable.com!shorelineglassworks From: NCScoutr To: glass@bungi.com Subject: remove Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:14:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.31410.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 09:32:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:30:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NG - Happy Holidays Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:34:03 -0500 Message-ID: <19981223152923.GJGD24288@vic> Precedence: bulk Buon Natale e nuovo anno felice a tutto! Buone salute e prosperità per cento anni. Chanukah Felice. Soprattutto, godere i biscotti! Ciao Vincenzo, Vittorio, Gaetano LaGreca, SIOR, CCIM Translation: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all. Good health and prosperity for a hundred years (or more). Happy Chanukah. Most of all Enjoy the cookies! Me ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 09:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:41:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: $.01 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.53952.0> References: <<1998Dec22.142716.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne wrote: > > And a Ho Ho Ho to you, Howard...always drawn to your posts...one cent or > 2! > > Got the baklava made, and doing pumpkin bread tonight. Thanks for the > bungi recipes...cause that's where they came from! Come on by Howard, > bring Elaine, the baklava came out great! > > Throwing in a glass question just for good measure...can you *ever* get > enough glass? I am wondering just how much I need to spend to get > there! ;o) Gotta be grateful for what I got I guess...and order more. > > Another sale today! Can you ever sell enough? ;o) > > Happy Christmas prepping! > > Tulsa Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can never really have enough glass. i have quite a bit of glass. but what happens is when i do a particular project i'll never have the roright color. you can own a sheet of red glass, but which shade, there must be dozens. and it's difficult to have them all. any time there is a sale, i'll get glass. start with the ones you need. then get the ones that catch your eye the first. keep getting glass until you have no more room. and once your out of space, then get more and put it somewhere else. you can never have too much of a good thing. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 09:56:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:50:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:49:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.54934.0> References: <<1998Dec23.13649.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are > going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass > specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make > you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? > > When I used to sew, it seems that projects were better when I bought the > fabric after I had the project defined. Now with glass, I'm not so sure > that is best. I love having glass to select from (though I have a hard time > keeping it organized ...and I have such a small stash). I try to keep the > glasses that I use frequently, like spectrum's grey opal and honey opal, a > selection of clears, like water glass and artiques. I bought a whole sheet > of something that looks like melted crayons and haven't found a use for it > yet. Every time I think of it, it seems a pity to cut it for some silly > project, but then I may never do a project worthy of this glass. Of course, > I keep a little pink of odd manufacturers for trim and highlight. I'm not a > flower person so I don't need much. I seem to use a lot of white and black. > What do you keep around and use over and over? > > And now the poem that prompted the Subject Line "Which First". > > Which First Chicken? > Which First Egg? > > He drinks because she scolds he thinks. > She thinks she scolds because he drinks. > And neither will admit what's true, > That he's a sot and she's a shrew. > > Ogden Nash > > Merry Christmas to all on Bungi > > Linda Campbell > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass this is how i do it: first i get the supplies i need, general glass, general colors. then i get the glass i like. irridescents, mottled, etc. glass with character. and any glass that is cheap, or very intresting. everything is stored away. then a project comes up. i go through the glass i have, if i have to i'll get the glass i need (but this may be during a storm or something), and i rather use what i have. and alot of the times i find the perfect color, which was odd scrap or an ugly color that i picked up. once i got a sheet of glass (kokomo i think), it was an moldy, skummy, brown color. i had no idea what i was going to do with it, but it was real cheap. i held onto it. and a project came along, the butterfly window, i used that glass for the tree. it was the perfect color for it. i'll usually use the other colors for the small parts fo the panel, and buy the background glass. any time a sale comes up though, i'll stock up on art glass (my only weak point in glass stock). i'll get special greens, reds, yellows, and blues. anything that catches my eye and speaks to me... and the egg came first, then chicken was a mutant of whatever layed it inthe first place... it's a part of evolution. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 10:16:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:20:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.62043.0> References: <<1998Dec23.143938.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/22/98 5:19:21 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: > > >i think it was used for soldering radiators. it's a real beast to work > >with. i sometimes have to use it when another iron is dead. it only > >takes a few minutes until my arm is dead... > > Have you ever thought of doing what a lot of industries (motor-vehicle makers, > f'rinstance) do with their welding apparatus, suspending the thing from the > ceiling by a bungi cord (no pun intended) or some other sort of spring-loaded > or counterweighted device to support the weight? Then you'd only have to steer > the thing. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that could be dangerous. if i let it go it could swing right into my eye. which is bad in so many ways... besides it's too large to do anything with. i had to use it once to melt out a bunch of solder and metal on the blue antique car. and at that it barely fit... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 10:33:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:50:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:50:21 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199812231649.KAA04324@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I agree with the glass you are stalking... Debbie-- Had to laugh at this one. It would get past a spell checker, but also brought up some wonderful mental images.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 10:44:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:18:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , "Michele Spruill" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:15:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.6152.0> Precedence: bulk I had the same problem with mine and bought a fletcher instead, it has some kind of fiber in it that works as a wick. Much nicer cutter. Karen >I have a Toyo oil cutter. It's time for a new wheel. My cutter has >always leaked, some days more than others. It leaks from every opening- >the oil fill opening, the joint above the wheel, and I also suspect, >from some of the seams. By leaking, I'm talking about having to stop and >wipe my hands after every cut. It has done this since I purchased it. >Does anyone else have this problem? I'm trying to figure out if I >should buy a replacement cutter assembly, or if I should get a new >cutter instead. > >Michele > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 10:44:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:31:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Brian Shepherd" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: 500 Watts????? Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:31:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.1310.0> Precedence: bulk IMHO, The temperature at the tip MELTS the solder. The wattage is the "staying" power of the iron. I do have trouble with the low wattage of the Ungars soldering heavy brass rings and solid brass caps and the solid branch work of the Odyssey system. I pre-heat the SOLID BRASS only with a torch (a few 100 degrees is enough/flux just starting to sizzle) and then the "little" ungars work fine. Another source of "heat" loss is when one purchases the heater with the removable/replaceable tip.....rather than the integral heater/tip as one unit. It does cost more to buy the one piece unit, but no loss of heat due to transfer from the heater to the tip takes place. There are 2 different heaters, 1000, and 1,100 degree units. I use the 1,000 for general use and the finish soldering with the (more expensive) 1,100 heater. I have indeed tried a host of other irons which does include the 250 to 500 watt range hexacons, and they do indeed stay hot, but are a "bit" heavy to solder with for many hours with out a break. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 11:11:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:41:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:06:45, -0500 Message-ID: <199812231706.MAA13370@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Have you ever thought of doing what a lot of industries (motor- vehicle makers, f'rinstance) do with their welding apparatus, suspending the thing from the ceiling by a bungi cord (no pun intended) or some other sort of spring-loaded or counterweighted device to support the weight? Then you'd only have to steer the thing. Sparks<< I don't have a 550 watt soldering iron but I do have a heavy kiln lid. Have a strong rope running from the handle on the lid to a pully screwed to a beam in the ceiling and down to a cleat on the wall. Makes opening and closing very easy. Peeking is no sweat. This is a very handy idea. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 12:24:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:27:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dumpster diving Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:26:27 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199812231926.NAA20578@relay.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Well, not quite. But one of the departments at work was throwing away this shelf thingy that was used for staff mail. It's basically a bunch of little 2" high shelves or mail slots. The thing is in two parts--must have about sixty individual compartments. The frame is metal, but the "shelves" are double-strength cardboard. Anyway, I hauled it home. Think it will be great for odds and ends of glass, large scraps, etc. Maybe not the ideal system, but certainly an improvement over digging through stacks of newspaper- separated glass (my current "storage" system) looking for something that invariably turns up near the bottom! So, over the holidays I'll be rearranging the "class corner" of my basement to make room for this thing. Sorting stuff into it I'll probably discover all kinds of glass I forgot I had....(Christmas presents to me!) Happy Holidays to all--- Kaye (who's at work hoping to be told we can go home early....) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 12:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: uniserve.com!cpesonen From: cpesonen@uniserve.com (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: new address Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:15:03 -0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk >Hi all, >Well after much confusion and heavy thinking on my part:):) >I've got it figured out...sorry for the hassle Glenna! >I've been running 2 accounts and three outlets...hmmmm, as if one isn't enough. >Aren't computers marrrrrvelous. >Hope this is it for now! >Cindy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 12:56:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:35:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Sandra I Gustafson Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lighted garden stones. Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:35:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Dec23.33532.0> References: <<1998Dec22.15438.0>> Precedence: bulk Sandra: Sounds beautiful! I would suggest you try the transparent silicone...this is a little different than the clear. I have not found the transparent here but did bring some back from the UK. The transparent silicone was used by the Loire Studio in Chartres to make mosaic panels and you simply couldn't tell they were "glued" on. Peggy On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Sandra I Gustafson wrote: > Hi! > The other day I came across a preformed, lighted garden stone. I would > like to place glass in some sort of design on the stone, but do not quite > know how to do it. It seems to me that you could glue the glass (what kind > of glue?) on the top and then mortor in between the pieces. Does this sound > resonable? Any thoughts would be appreceiated. > Thanks in advance-------------Sandy in Athens where the weather has turned > cooollllddd. Brrrrr. > > Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 13:28:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:27:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: KISS mosaic/real help question in there, too HEY I MAY KNOW THIS Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:27:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.42733.0> Precedence: bulk I've done three shows with the good old crow on a stick method. it is called garden art. Make your booth even more spectacular by showing your garden art in beautiful flower boxes with the flowers flowing over the sides. One reason I use live garden plants is to show people that "yes, this is supposed to go outside and it is perfectly safe." I use brass rods instead of wood on my garden stakes. You can buy these at a welding supply store or even at auto parts stores. I buy mine through a copper and brass wholesaler in the area. Also, hang some mobiles and add some garden stones. If you feel even more creative how about some water fountains and bird baths. There are ways to sell your pieces at the country fairs without compromising the beauty and art of stained glass. Cheryl ----Original Message----- From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: shad@mail2.nai.net ; glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:20 PM Subject: Re: KISS mosaic/real help question in there, too HEY I MAY KNOW THIS >In a message dated 12/21/98 11:24:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, >shad@mail2.nai.net writes: > >> Question...if I were going to make a stained glass crow on a stick, what >> would be a good way of attaching the crow to the stick? >> >Dorothy, > >Being a highly untrained amateur I make my own rules as I go. Personally I >would use some rebar instead of a wood stick. I made butterflies for the yard >and they have been out there on rebar for 2 years, I only used 1/4" rebar >because I wanted it delicate, but you could use thicker rebar for a crow if it >is heavy. > >You are gonna give those wood crow people a run for their money. Now let's >see if the other glass people are going to want to set up next to you at a >show!!!!! > >IA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 13:45:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: kwic.com!mnvve3 From: Garry & Linda McKenna To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Lighted garden stones. Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:04:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981223190413.00676f6c@mail.kwic.com> Precedence: bulk Sandra: I'm stepping out of my long-time lurke mode here because I do most of my stones in this manner. I simply use GE Silicone window and door caulk - the stuff for all weather use. For grout, I get it at a local flooring business - the kind of place that installs tile flooring. I was told that it was the same stuff they used when installing out-door pools, and it comes in a full range of colours as well. All you have to do is sketch your design on the stone, glue your pieces down one at a time and when silicone is set simply spread the grout on. Hope this is of some help to you. Linda ----------in southwestern Ontario (Canada) where it is definitely colder than Atlanta!!!! Happy Holidays to All! At 08:43 PM 22/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi! >The other day I came across a preformed, lighted garden stone. I would >like to place glass in some sort of design on the stone, but do not quite >know how to do it. It seems to me that you could glue the glass (what kind >of glue?) on the top and then mortor in between the pieces. Does this sound >resonable? Any thoughts would be appreceiated. >Thanks in advance-------------Sandy in Athens where the weather has turned >cooollllddd. Brrrrr. > >Remember: Be kind to everyone, because, everyone is having a hard time. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > GARRY & LINDA McKENNA TILLSONBURG ONT CANADA 519 842-9909 LINDA'S HOBBY: STAINED GLASS GARRY'S HOBBY: AMATURE RADIO CALL VE3MNV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 15:52:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:23:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Linda Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:07:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.10755.0> References: <<1998Dec23.13649.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Linda, I buy glass because "I like it" and at the time have no earthly idea what I'm going to do with it and I also buy glass when I "see something" in it. Right now I have a piece of Bull's Eye about 2 ft x 4 ft, with a face smack in the middle. The rest of it is so beautiful I haven't the heart to even touch it, colors from rose, blue, green, yellow, a definite keeper. The only trouble with the face is it sure looks like what many people would call the devil, at least that's the general concensus. I think it looks like my husband in technicolor. Anyway, I've had it for about 2 months, and after the holidays I'll do something with it, but it has to be something pretty special. I wish everyone on bungi happy holidays and a wonderful new year. Carol T Linda Campbell wrote: > Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are > going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass > specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make > you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? > > When I used to sew, it seems that projects were better when I bought the > fabric after I had the project defined. Now with glass, I'm not so sure > that is best. I love having glass to select from (though I have a hard time > keeping it organized ...and I have such a small stash). I try to keep the > glasses that I use frequently, like spectrum's grey opal and honey opal, a > selection of clears, like water glass and artiques. I bought a whole sheet > of something that looks like melted crayons and haven't found a use for it > yet. Every time I think of it, it seems a pity to cut it for some silly > project, but then I may never do a project worthy of this glass. Of course, > I keep a little pink of odd manufacturers for trim and highlight. I'm not a > flower person so I don't need much. I seem to use a lot of white and black. > What do you keep around and use over and over? > > And now the poem that prompted the Subject Line "Which First". > > Which First Chicken? > Which First Egg? > > He drinks because she scolds he thinks. > She thinks she scolds because he drinks. > And neither will admit what's true, > That he's a sot and she's a shrew. > > Ogden Nash > > Merry Christmas to all on Bungi > > Linda Campbell > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 16:15:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:23:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:56:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.125613.0> Precedence: bulk My experience is that, sooner or later, they all leak. I run them dry, don't fill them. I have a small jar with a rag soaked with Inland's cutter lube. A dip before use works for me...Has for years. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Michele Spruill To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 9:50 AM Subject: oil cutter >I have a Toyo oil cutter. It's time for a new wheel. My cutter has >always leaked, some days more than others. It leaks from every opening- >the oil fill opening, the joint above the wheel, and I also suspect, >from some of the seams. By leaking, I'm talking about having to stop and >wipe my hands after every cut. It has done this since I purchased it. >Does anyone else have this problem? I'm trying to figure out if I >should buy a replacement cutter assembly, or if I should get a new >cutter instead. > >Michele > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 17:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:48:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:46:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.144610.0> References: <<1998Dec23.13649.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are > going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass > specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make > you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? > I try to keep some kind of basic colors on hand, but sometimes glass "speaks" to me. I hold a piece up to the light and see what it could be. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 18:07:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:33:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Bright brass or antique brass?? Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:29:42 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec24.12942.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungians: By mistake, I received a bright brass candelabra cluster (with the spotlight) and wanted the antique brass. I had to order over the phone and they didn't ask and I just assumed it would be antique brass. Anyway, I'm trying to decide if it looks OK with the bright brass before I send it off (belated Xmas gift). The shade is white background with pink and green cathedral, clear irridized and pink/green/white fracture and streamers. It is patinaed black. I know I would prefer the antique brass, but the shade is a modern design so I'm thinking maybe it will be OK. It's for my daughter and I'm pretty sure she will like it either way. Does anyone have an opinion to share with me? Thanks, Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 18:20:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:20:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:15:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec24.11520.0> Precedence: bulk I have a Toyo and never put oil in it because I was told they always leak. Used the "dip" method. Recently took a class and they made me fill the cutter with oil (don't ask, there were a few weird rules, of which this was one) and it doesn't leak a bit. They also said in the class that the new fluorescent ones are made so they don't leak. Also read somewhere that you could stuff cotton batting into the handle and that would help with the leaking. Happy holidays! Brenda In a message dated 12/23/98 7:15:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, grannyandpawpaw@tricountyi.net writes: << My experience is that, sooner or later, they all leak. I run them dry, don't fill them. I have a small jar with a rag soaked with Inland's cutter lube. A dip before use works for me >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 18:55:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:16:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Kaye Sodt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Dumpster diving Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.161431.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Kaye- We have one of those mail cubby hole things, too, and you won't believe all the cool things you can lose on one!! Every couple of years, be sure you clean it out and find all the stuff you thought you'd lost forever! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 19:37:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:47:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: BMarhon@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:47:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec23.16473.0> Precedence: bulk I have a Toya and a Flecher Gold. I use a Morton cutting grid.. I use the caps from a highlighter and keep that filled with oil.. After scoring a few pieces (About 4) I place the cutter inthe cap that the Morton grid holds, by the time I am ready to cut, oil is back on my cutter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 20:01:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:11:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:03:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.15325.0> Precedence: bulk Hmmm well I buy glass both ways I guess... I keep a lot of different clears in stock since 90% of my business is panels for home builders with no sense of adventure and clears are 'safe' for them...Each time I order a crate of glass (usually about 45-50 sheets) I try and include at least 10 sheets of various colors and textures I dont have.... What I do is go though my sample sets and try to pick out interesting glass I dont have..I also keep an eye on the sale flyers I get from the wholesalers I do business with.... You can get some great deals when they want to clean house... I picked up several cool sheets of wismach mottle glass real cheap during Houston's recent house cleaning...I'd say one of the best investments anyone can make are glass sample sets... Now as for projects if it's a 'gimme' project for a friend or something I try and use glass I have in stock and I try to use scrap whenever possible...For customers I show them the samples,show them what I keep in stock and let them pick what they like....Most of the time they pick what I have in stock since I keep a good selection and people hate to wait the extra time for glass to be ordered and shipped.... For a nice panel for say my mom I pick the glass after I decide what I'm going to make... Sometimes I have what I need in stock and sometimes I end up paying retail for what I want at a local glass store....If I'm not happy with how a certain glass looks I wont use it just because it's in stock... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Linda Campbell To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 12:46 AM Subject: Which First-Definately Glass >Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are >going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass >specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make >you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? > >When I used to sew, it seems that projects were better when I bought the >fabric after I had the project defined. Now with glass, I'm not so sure >that is best. I love having glass to select from (though I have a hard time >keeping it organized ...and I have such a small stash). I try to keep the >glasses that I use frequently, like spectrum's grey opal and honey opal, a >selection of clears, like water glass and artiques. I bought a whole sheet >of something that looks like melted crayons and haven't found a use for it >yet. Every time I think of it, it seems a pity to cut it for some silly >project, but then I may never do a project worthy of this glass. Of course, >I keep a little pink of odd manufacturers for trim and highlight. I'm not a >flower person so I don't need much. I seem to use a lot of white and black. >What do you keep around and use over and over? > >And now the poem that prompted the Subject Line "Which First". > >Which First Chicken? >Which First Egg? > >He drinks because she scolds he thinks. >She thinks she scolds because he drinks. >And neither will admit what's true, >That he's a sot and she's a shrew. > >Ogden Nash > > >Merry Christmas to all on Bungi > >Linda Campbell >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 20:59:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:46:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Pawel Karaszkiewicz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Odp: NG Merry Christmas NG Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.184055.0> References: <<1998Dec23.131453.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk In Hawaii, Mele Kalikimaka, Houle Maka Hiki Hou (lived in Hawaii 14 years, moved to Florida 4 years ago) Lee Pawel Karaszkiewicz wrote: > > In Polish it runs: > Merry Christmas: > Wesolych Swiat > Happy New Year > Do Siego Roku > or > Szczesliwego Nowego Roku > > So I wish it to all of you > > Pawel > -----Wiadomo=9C=E6 orginalna----- > Od: PDRUSS@aol.com > Do: glass@bungi.com > Data: 23 grudnia 1998 00:56 > Temat: Re: NG Merry Christmas NG > > >In a message dated 12/22/98 3:47:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > > > ><< > > So, how does one say "Merry Christmas" in Polish? >> > > > > > > > > > >I found this the other day. > > > > > >Merry Christmas! > > > >Afrikaner [Afrikaans]=3D09"Een Plesierige Kerfees" > >Amharic=3D09=3D09=3D09"enkwan laberhana ledat abaqqawot" OR "melkam amat= > ba`al > >yehunellachihu" > >Arabic =3D09=3D09=3D09"I'd Miilad Said Oua Sana Saida" > >Argentine=3D09=3D09"Felices Pascuas y Feliz A=3DF1o Nuevo" > >Armenian=3D09=3D09"Shenoraavor Nor Dari yev Pari Gaghand" > >Bohemian=3D09=3D09"Vesele Vanoce" > >Brazilian Portuguese=3D09"Feliz Natal e Pr=3DF3spero Ano Novo" > >Briton=3D09=3D09=3D09"Nedeleg laouen na bloavezh mat" > >Bulgarian=3D09=3D09"Tchestita Koleda" OR "Tchestito Rojdestvo Hristovo" > >Chinese [Mandarin]=3D09"Kung His Hsin Nien bing Chu Shen Tan" > >Chinese [Cantonese]=3D09"Saint Dan Fai Lok" > >Cornish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Nadelik looan na looan blethen noweth" > >Croatian=3D09=3D09=3D09"Srecna Nova Godina I Srecan Bozic" > >Czech=3D09=3D09=3D09"Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok" > >Danish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Gl=3DE6delig Jul" > >Dutch=3D09=3D09=3D09"Vrolijk Kerstfeest en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar" > >English=3D09=3D09=3D09"Merry Christmas" > >Estonian=3D09=3D09"Roomsaid joulupuhi ja onnerikast uut aast" > >Farsi=3D09=3D09=3D09"Christmas-e-shoma mobarak bashad" > >Filipino=3D09=3D09=3D09"Maligayang Pasko" > >Finnish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Hyvaa joulua" > >French=3D09=3D09=3D09"Joyeux No=3DEBl" > >Friesian=3D09=3D09=3D09"Noflike Krystdagen en in protte Lok en Seine yn = > it Nije > >Jier" > >German =3D09=3D09"Froehliche Weihnachten" > >Greek=3D09=3D09=3D09"Kala Christouyenna" > >Hawaiian=3D09=3D09"Mele Kalikimaka" > >Hebrew=3D09=3D09=3D09"Mo'adim Lesimkha. Chena tova" > >Hindi=3D09=3D09=3D09"Shubh Natal" > >Hungarian=3D09=3D09"Kellemes Karacsonyi unnepeket" > >Icelandic=3D09=3D09"Gledileg Jol" > >Indonesian=3D09=3D09"Selamat Hari Natal" > >Iraqi =3D09=3D09"Idah Saidan Wa Sanah Jadidah" > >Irish =3D09"Nollaig Shona Dhuit" > >Italian =3D09"Buon Natale" > >Japanese=3D09=3D09"Meri Kurisumasu" > >Korean =3D09"Sung Tan Chuk Ha" > >Latvian =3D09"Prieci'gus Ziemsve'tkus un Laimi'gu Jauno G= > adu" > >Lithuanian =3D09"Linksmu Kaledu" > >Malay =3D09"Selamat Hari Natal dan Tahun Baru" > >Maori =3D09"Meri Kirihimete" > >Navajo =3D09"Merry Keshmish" > >New Guinea Pidgin=3D09"Meri Christmas Hepi Niuyia Lukin Yu" > >Norwegian=3D09=3D09"God Jul" > >Pennsylvania German=3D09"En frehlicher Grischtdaag un en hallich Nei Yaa= > hr" > >Peru=3D09=3D09=3D09"Felices Fiestas" OR "Feliz Navidad" > >Polish =3D09"Wesolych Swiat Bozego Narodzenia" > >Portuguese=3D09=3D09"Boas Festas" > >Rumanian=3D09=3D09"Sarbatori Fericite" > >Russian =3D09=3D09"S Rozhdestvom" > >Serbia=3D09=3D09=3D09"Hristos se rodi" > >Slovakian=3D09=3D09"Sretan Bozic" OR "Vesele vianoce" > >Samoan=3D09=3D09=3D09"La Maunia Le Kilisimasi Ma Le Tausaga Fou" > >Scots Gaelic=3D09=3D09"Nollaig chridheil huibh" > >Serb-Croatian=3D09=3D09"Sretam Bozic. Vesela Nova Godina" > >Slovak=3D09=3D09=3D09"Vesele Vianoce. A stastlivy Novy Rok" > >Slovene=3D09=3D09=3D09"Vesele Bozicne. Screcno Novo Leto" > >Spanish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Feliz Navidad" > >Swedish=3D09=3D09"God Jul" > >Tahitian=3D09=3D09=3D09"La Orana No Te Noere" > >Thai=3D09=3D09=3D09"Sawadee Pee Mai" > >Turkish=3D09=3D09=3D09"Noeliniz Ve Yeni Yiliniz Kutlu Olsun" > >U.K.=3D09=3D09=3D09"Happy Christmas" > >Ukrainian=3D09=3D09"Srozhdestvom Kristovym" > >Uzbek=3D09=3D09=3D09"Yangi Yiligiz Mubarak Bolsun" > >Vietnamese=3D09=3D09"Chung Mung Giang Sinh" > >Welsh=3D09=3D09=3D09"Nadolig Llawen" > >Yugoslavian=3D09=3D09"Cestitamo Bozic" > > > > > > > > > >Dianne > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 23:03:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:49:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "all" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Imported SG Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:48:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.194856.0> Precedence: bulk Yesterday I was doing some last minute shopping at a discount store (Wal-Mart). I spotted an angel (no, no a SG angel, besides the other one wouldn't talk to me). It is about 8 inches tall, hammered green body and white glass head, beaded halo, and brass plated with a place for a Voltaire candle in the back. They were made in the Philippines. All this for $6.95. I bought 2 and examined them. They were average to good quality. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 23:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:23:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bright brass or antique brass?? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:21:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.192134.0> Precedence: bulk If you think she'll like it ... isn't that all that counts? (not trying to be sarcastic). A lamp will be a hard thing to hide and bring out when Mom visits. (8-) -----Original Message----- From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 8:14 PM Subject: Bright brass or antique brass?? >Hi Bungians: > >By mistake, I received a bright brass candelabra cluster (with the spotlight) >and wanted the antique brass. I had to order over the phone and they didn't >ask and I just assumed it would be antique brass. Anyway, I'm trying to >decide if it looks OK with the bright brass before I send it off (belated Xmas >gift). The shade is white background with pink and green cathedral, clear >irridized and pink/green/white fracture and streamers. It is patinaed black. > >I know I would prefer the antique brass, but the shade is a modern design so >I'm thinking maybe it will be OK. It's for my daughter and I'm pretty sure >she will like it either way. Does anyone have an opinion to share with me? > >Thanks, >Brenda >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 23:29:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:39:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Family Account" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:28:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.192857.0> Precedence: bulk Dorothy wrote: >I try to keep some kind of basic colors on hand, but sometimes glass "speaks" >to me. I hold a piece up to the light and see what it could be. And you all think I'm weird??? I've never said my gnomon has spoken. I can hear the glass sing when I cut it, and it can hear me scream when I cut it wrong. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 23 23:40:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:08:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "James C. Kelly" , "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass questions Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:53:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec23.195338.0> Precedence: bulk I think the answer is not in the glass but in the solder or lead. The ammonia will corrode the lead and solder, and probably won't do the glazing much good either. -----Original Message----- From: James C. Kelly To: bungi Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 9:15 PM Subject: Glass questions >Happy Holidays. >I have a lurker's glass question. >In fact, two. >Both related to cleaning glass. >1. Seems to me I always see = > >comments that ammonia = > >containing glass cleaners should >not be used on stained glass. Why? >2. I have offered to help a friend = > >clean a stained glass panel. >In this case cleaning will involve >attempting to remove the "glass wax" >which was used on craquel glass and >is now embedded in the "cracks" of the >glass appearing as a yellowish white >residue. My first attempt, standing the >panel in a shower and rinsing >with a brush and Joy removed some >but left much embedded residue. >I'm considering using a "wax >stripper" usually used for floor wax. = > >But unsure it's the best move. >How about some of your great >guidance and recommendations on >these cleaning questions. > >Jim Kelly >Virginia Beach VA >gcanvas@compuserve.com >Monday, December 21, 1998 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 01:05:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:35:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Bob the Dinosaur Subject: Re: Christmas and exploitation of women NG Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:33:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.8338.0> References: <<1998Dec21.115255.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Dec21.115255.0@?>, Bob the Dinosaur writes >You know, if a man posted something this stereotypical and dehumanizing >to women, I bet we could hear the uproar without an internet connection. I should (but cant) resist - RIGHT ON!, Bob Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 02:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:29:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:19:33 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.91933.0> Precedence: bulk I use the dip method with my Toyo's but I use white spirit (Turps Substitute?) I do wish I spoke fluent American! As far as I know there is no lubricant currently available in UK. Correction! There might be one but when I ordered it it wasn't being currently stocked - it just happened to be in the catalogue! Have I been making a mistake with white spirit? Seems to work OK. Best seasonal greetings to all the Bungie! Have a great one! Brian the Brit ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 02:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:29:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "Family Account" , "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:21:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.92144.0> Precedence: bulk I buy glass on impulse but it's different for me as nearly all my purchases are mail order and, given that the 2x4 inch samples that I get here seldom represent the glass that arrives, then I suppose all my purchases are effectively a shot in the dark! When I can get to a supplier in person I tend to go mad but when I get home I often wonder what dark magical art transformed that sheet of wonder into such a drab and dreadful thing and what on earth was I going to use it for? To be honest I think the only glass that I haven't eventually found a good use for was some of the bargain pack stuff that I bought when I placed my first order and that was always just intended for practice! Sometimes I get a piece of glass that I just look at and keep! It is far too beautiful to cut and a complete work of art in it's own right! If I were to do anything then I could only ruin it. Not a good business practice but I'm not in it for the money! Peace to you all - especially Carol! Brian the Brit -----Original Message----- From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Date: 24 December 1998 01:36 Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass > > >Linda Campbell wrote: > >> Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are >> going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass >> specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make >> you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? >> > >I try to keep some kind of basic colors on hand, but sometimes glass "speaks" >to me. I hold a piece up to the light and see what it could be. > >Dorothy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 04:41:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:10:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: Shay Friel To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Tracking Santa Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.2543.0> Precedence: bulk Merry Christmas and thank you so much for the help with the soldering. I took the pieces to the guys who were my instructors and they said it looked fine and I was being to critical(they would really tell me if they thought otherwiseö¿ö) This is the Official NORAD Santa Tracking website. The kids will love it. http://www.noradsanta.org Shay Friel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 04:50:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:03:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: bill To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Merry Christmas Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:59:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981224065925.007963a0@popd.netcom.ca> Precedence: bulk >From our house to yours I would like to extend warmest holiday wishes and a very Merry Christmas to all........I've learned quite a lot from all you friendly folks out there and thoroughly enjoy the banter........Drive safe and have a great holiday.......Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 05:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:48:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: Danny Nichols , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Breaking Ice(bit of Glass,bit of non glass) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:46:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.12468.0> Precedence: bulk > How do I get to the server, what is the web address ? Sounds like > fun, > even if it does take a long time to download. > > Danny > S.C. in the US > > [B. S. Jones] http://www.publiweb.com/publiweb/service/terra.html [B. > S. Jones] > is one of the many links to it, basically just search for terra > server. > > Brandon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 07:49:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:23:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Merry Christmas Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.51520.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! Wishing everyone the joy of God's Christmas miracle and the peace of his love. Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 08:02:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:29:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.52836.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by GLORIA DRAG >I have a Toya and a Flecher Gold. I use a Morton cutting grid.. I use the caps from a highlighter and keep that filled with oil.. After scoring a few pieces (About 4) I place the cutter inthe cap that the Morton grid holds, by the time I am ready to cut, oil is back on my cutter< I just squirt some oil into one of the Morton grid squares and dip the Toyo cutter directly into it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 08:19:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:30:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Imported SG Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.52839.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Pat Kelly" >...and brass plated with a place for a Voltaire candle in the back.< I hope you mean votive candle. Otherwise I'm going to envision a rather philosophical dead French gentleman holding a candle. Very funny thought. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 08:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:46:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.53913.0> Precedence: bulk Brian, what ever works for you is right. Merry Christmas Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Brian Shepherd To: bungi Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 5:13 AM Subject: Re: oil cutter >I use the dip method with my Toyo's but I use white spirit (Turps >Substitute?) I do >wish I spoke fluent American! > >As far as I know there is no lubricant currently available in UK. >Correction! There might be one but when I ordered it it wasn't being >currently stocked - it just happened to be in the catalogue! > >Have I been making a mistake with white spirit? Seems to work OK. > >Best seasonal greetings to all the Bungie! Have a great one! > >Brian the Brit > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 08:52:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:49:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: oil cutter Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:51:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.45132.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Michele Spruill" >I have a Toyo oil cutter. It's time for a new wheel. My cutter has = always leaked, some days more than others. It leaks from every opening- = the oil fill opening, the joint above the wheel, and I also suspect, = from some of the seams. By leaking, I'm talking about having to stop and = wipe my hands after every cut. It has done this since I purchased it. = Does anyone else have this problem? I'm trying to figure out if I = should buy a replacement cutter assembly, or if I should get a new = cutter instead.< I recently purchased a new Toyo pistol grip cutter for Sparks. As soon as she filled it with oil, it leaked and leaked and leaked. We noticed dual cracks where the head assembly connects with the pistol grip body. Seems to us that Toyo overtightened the head-to-body assembly, cracking the plastic body. I returned it to my supplier, who sent it back to Toyo. We are awaiting a replacement, or a fixed cutter. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 http://www.igga.org/wood/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 09:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:44:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass Subject: Merry Christmas - from California Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:43:23 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'd like to wish you all a wonderful Merry Christmas. May it be filled with the spirit of peace and love. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 09:51:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:07:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:07:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec24.17719.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/23/98 11:20:13 AM, esavad@home.net wrote: > [suspending the thing from the > ceiling by a bungi cord (no pun intended) or some other sort of spring- loaded > or counterweighted device to support the weight] could be dangerous. if i let > it go it could swing right into my eye. Trying to remember from the description my brother-in-law gave when he worked as an auto-body welder for the (now-defunct) VW plant in western PA: the way the industrial folks do it is to attach the apparatus to a hydraulic boom arm. It doesn't swing freely. If you let go if it accidentally, it retracts upward, and the hydraulics keep it from swinging around out of control. On second thought, trying to mount the thing like that is probably more trouble than it's worth if you use it so rarely. OTOH, you *are* wearing eye protection when you solder, aren't you? (Remember our fellow bungian who got flux in her eye a while back?) Sparky Four-Eyes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 10:10:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:08:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG - Happy Holidays Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:07:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec24.17712.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/23/98 12:33:59 PM, vlg@worldnet.att.net wrote: >Most of all Enjoy the cookies! Tomorrow I finally get to *make* the cookies! Gooey chewy nut-loaded chocolate-chip bars. Not to mention the pumpkin cheesecake and the 5-pound prime rib (rare, of course, au jus with saute'ed mushrooms and *real* smashed potatoes made with real butter. It's a durned good thing for all us professional artists and musicians that (as me sweetie keeps reminding me) Christmas is a 12-day feast....... around here we're running so crazed that the holiday doesn't really "sink in" until about halfway to New Year's! Hope everyone down south came through last night's nasty weather OK. Ice storms in Dallas? Sheesh! Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah (a bit late), Happy Kwanzaa, Salubrious Solstice, Happy New Year (that goes double to all who are observing Ramadan this month), etc. etc. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 10:20:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:15:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Imported SG Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:09:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199812241710.MAA20210@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Message text written by "Pat Kelly" >>...and brass plated with a place for a Voltaire >candle in the back.< Christie answers: >I hope you mean votive candle. Otherwise I'm >going to envision a rather philosophical dead French >gentleman holding a candle. Very funny thought. > That's our Patrick. He's funny even by mistake!!! Merry Christmas. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 10:21:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:44:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:43:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.74311.0> References: <<1998Dec24.11520.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > I have a Toyo and never put oil in it because I was told they always leak. > Used the "dip" method. Recently took a class and they made me fill the cutter > with oil (don't ask, there were a few weird rules, of which this was one) and > it doesn't leak a bit. They also said in the class that the new fluorescent > ones are made so they don't leak. > > Also read somewhere that you could stuff cotton batting into the handle and > that would help with the leaking. > > Happy holidays! > Brenda > > In a message dated 12/23/98 7:15:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > grannyandpawpaw@tricountyi.net writes: > > << My experience is that, sooner or later, they all leak. I run them dry, > don't fill them. I have a small jar with a rag soaked with Inland's cutter > lube. A dip before use works for me >> > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that would absorb all the oil. that method will only work if the cutter has a wick. the oil is designed to flow down the cutter, into a felt pad and distrubuted that way... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 10:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:18:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Linda Campbell Subject: Which First-Definately Glass (glass selection) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:09:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.17949.0> References: <<1998Dec23.13649.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Dec23.13649.0@?>, Linda Campbell writes >Which First? How many of you buy glass with no earthly idea of how you are >going to use it? Which projects turn out best, those you by the glass >specifically for the project or those that strike you on a whim and make >you look thru all your bargain glass for something that will do? > Linda, I still have a lot of glass that I bought on a whim, because it looked good. Well it still looks good 8-10 years later! But that also indicates that I haven't found a use for those pieces yet. Maybe its time to frame the glass and sell it as is. I have found that as I gained experience with the variety of glass, I needed to buy less on a whim and more as a result of the design. The experience with the glass was gained by looking at samples, and looking round the glass in the retailers shops. Awfully irritating to the retailers I suppose, because I didn't buy. (and they don't/can't recognise me now when I go back occasionally to buy the glass I noticed earlier. I think the reason I don't buy glass just in case so much now is really because I am making my designs with particular glasses in mind. So if the design is accepted, then I get the glass that I had in mind all the while! Last night as I was delivering some items (just before Christmas!) I got a little lost among suburban streets dating back to the turn of the present century. Lots of front doors were acid etched, many with leaded glass, an alarming number with standard patterned glass (ugh!), a few with modern glass, and one which had a sheet of Hartley Wood or St Just splotchy blue and yellow on clear filling the door opening (small opening only about 18 by 24 inches). So that's one way to get rid of the glass of your dreams. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 10:42:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:45:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bright brass or antique brass?? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:39:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.73950.0> References: <<1998Dec24.12942.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bungians: > > By mistake, I received a bright brass candelabra cluster (with the spotlight) > and wanted the antique brass. I had to order over the phone and they didn't > ask and I just assumed it would be antique brass. Anyway, I'm trying to > decide if it looks OK with the bright brass before I send it off (belated Xmas > gift). The shade is white background with pink and green cathedral, clear > irridized and pink/green/white fracture and streamers. It is patinaed black. > > I know I would prefer the antique brass, but the shade is a modern design so > I'm thinking maybe it will be OK. It's for my daughter and I'm pretty sure > she will like it either way. Does anyone have an opinion to share with me? > > Thanks, > Brenda > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the green may make it a little strange. maybe a bright shiney copper finish will blend it in better. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 10:47:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:26:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG heartwarming story Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.7260.0> Precedence: bulk It just kinda makes you all fuzzy inside ......... read on ......... << Dearest all, Happy holidays! Here's a warm thought for us all... The following letter was forwarded by someone who teaches at a junior high school in Memphis, Tennessee; the letter was sent to the principal's office after the school had sponsored a luncheon for the elderly. This story is a credit to all human kind. Read it, soak it in, and bask in the warm feeling that it leaves you with. Dear Reyer School: God bless you for the beautiful radio I won at your recent senior citizen's luncheon. I am 84 years old and live at the county home for the aged. All my family are gone. It's nice to know that someone thinks of me. God bless you for your kindness to an old forgotten lady. My roommate is 95 and always had her own radio, but would never let me listen to it. The other day her radio fell and broke into a lot of pieces. It was awful. She asked if she could listen to mine, and I said f**k you. Sincerely, Edna Johnson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 11:55:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:45:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bright brass or antique brass?? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:39:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.73950.0> References: <<1998Dec24.12942.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bungians: > > By mistake, I received a bright brass candelabra cluster (with the spotlight) > and wanted the antique brass. I had to order over the phone and they didn't > ask and I just assumed it would be antique brass. Anyway, I'm trying to > decide if it looks OK with the bright brass before I send it off (belated Xmas > gift). The shade is white background with pink and green cathedral, clear > irridized and pink/green/white fracture and streamers. It is patinaed black. > > I know I would prefer the antique brass, but the shade is a modern design so > I'm thinking maybe it will be OK. It's for my daughter and I'm pretty sure > she will like it either way. Does anyone have an opinion to share with me? > > Thanks, > Brenda > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the green may make it a little strange. maybe a bright shiney copper finish will blend it in better. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 12:06:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:47:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Brian Shepherd Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:42:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.17423.0> References: <<1998Dec24.91933.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Brian, In my view, almost any lubricant will do. I used white spirit in my barrel reservoir, but stopped as both the wicked and valved styles delivered too much fluid. I use sewing machine oil now as it is more viscose. Go with what works! Steve In message <1998Dec24.91933.0@?>, Brian Shepherd writes >I use the dip method with my Toyo's but I use white spirit (Turps >Substitute?) I do >wish I spoke fluent American! > >As far as I know there is no lubricant currently available in UK. >Correction! There might be one but when I ordered it it wasn't being >currently stocked - it just happened to be in the catalogue! > >Have I been making a mistake with white spirit? Seems to work OK. > >Best seasonal greetings to all the Bungie! Have a great one! > >Brian the Brit > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 12:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:26:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Bob the Dinosaur To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG heartwarming story Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.7260.0> Precedence: bulk It just kinda makes you all fuzzy inside ......... read on ......... << Dearest all, Happy holidays! Here's a warm thought for us all... The following letter was forwarded by someone who teaches at a junior high school in Memphis, Tennessee; the letter was sent to the principal's office after the school had sponsored a luncheon for the elderly. This story is a credit to all human kind. Read it, soak it in, and bask in the warm feeling that it leaves you with. Dear Reyer School: God bless you for the beautiful radio I won at your recent senior citizen's luncheon. I am 84 years old and live at the county home for the aged. All my family are gone. It's nice to know that someone thinks of me. God bless you for your kindness to an old forgotten lady. My roommate is 95 and always had her own radio, but would never let me listen to it. The other day her radio fell and broke into a lot of pieces. It was awful. She asked if she could listen to mine, and I said f**k you. Sincerely, Edna Johnson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Adults are obsolete children Theodore Geisel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 12:25:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:02:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:02:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.8225.0> References: <<1998Dec24.17719.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/23/98 11:20:13 AM, esavad@home.net wrote: > > > [suspending the thing from the > > ceiling by a bungi cord (no pun intended) or some other sort of spring- > loaded > > or counterweighted device to support the weight] could be dangerous. if i > let > > it go it could swing right into my eye. > > Trying to remember from the description my brother-in-law gave when he worked > as an auto-body welder for the (now-defunct) VW plant in western PA: the way > the industrial folks do it is to attach the apparatus to a hydraulic boom arm. > It doesn't swing freely. If you let go if it accidentally, it retracts upward, > and the hydraulics keep it from swinging around out of control. > > On second thought, trying to mount the thing like that is probably more > trouble than it's worth if you use it so rarely. > > OTOH, you *are* wearing eye protection when you solder, aren't you? (Remember > our fellow bungian who got flux in her eye a while back?) > > Sparky Four-Eyes > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i wear normal glasses... goggles are always hazy. i got flux in my eye once, but that was the only time. and i've only gotten glass in there a few small times. mostly from the grinder. but since i've been using that handy little shield that came with the grinder it's helped alot. now i don't have glass bits in my hair, on my arms, in my mouth, etc. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 12:26:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:07:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG....Merry Christmas Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:05:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec24.1853.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanting to wish every one a Very Merry Christmas. Here is hoping that you also have a safe Christmas. Margery ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 12:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:24:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Christie A. Wood" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Imported SG Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:19:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.81932.0> Precedence: bulk Yes I mean votive candle. Ain't spell check great. -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 10:25 AM Subject: Imported SG >Message text written by "Pat Kelly" >>...and brass plated with a place for a Voltaire >candle in the back.< > >I hope you mean votive candle. Otherwise I'm >going to envision a rather philosophical dead French >gentleman holding a candle. Very funny thought. > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles, 4013 Skippack Pike, Bldg B, >P.O. Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >http://www.igga.org/wood/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 13:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:43:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: iag.net!judyc From: judy campbell To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Christmas Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:03:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980926180351.00800490@pop3.iag.net> Precedence: bulk Merry Christmas to all of you and for those of you that can't enjoy the Florida weather(we've got doors and windows open today!) and have bad highways, please drive careful, we want to hear from you after the holidays. Merry Christmas from the Campbells ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 13:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:12:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:38:04, -0500 Message-ID: <199812242038.PAA08010@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >> I do wish I spoke fluent American!<< No such thing! People from Maine can barely communicate with people from Texas and do not understand people from Louisiana. Californians have to ask people from Minnesota to repeat slowly and just about give up on people from Boston who could care less. >>As far as I know there is no lubricant currently available in UK. << For your cutter try a 50/50 mixture of kerosine and light machine oil. Kerosine can often be found as highly refined lamp oil that lacks the kero scent and may even be scented with something nice like pine. Merry Christmas to all, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 14:28:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:40:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:38:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.113823.0> References: <<1998Dec24.74311.0>> Precedence: bulk On the other hand, I've had two pencil Toyos and one pistol grip, and none leaked. One of the pencil broke in half after about 7 years, though. It's Dec. 24...not touching either of my Toyo cutters tonight and am presently listening to a tape of Ella Fitzgerald singing carols. For those of you celebrating Christmas, may it be happy. Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 14:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:44:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Which First-Definately Glass Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:42:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.114243.0> References: <<003801be2f0f$1263d520$c6ed18d0@708714093>> Precedence: bulk Pat Kelly wrote: > Dorothy wrote: > > >I try to keep some kind of basic colors on hand, but sometimes glass > "speaks" > >to me. I hold a piece up to the light and see what it could be. > > And you all think I'm weird??? I've never said my gnomon has spoken. > > I can hear the glass sing when I cut it, and it can hear me scream when I > cut it wrong. Maybe it sings in harmony with Emeraldine's glass construction... Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 14:59:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: NG -Christmas Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:11:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.121149.0> Precedence: bulk Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. Thanks to all of bungi for teaching us so much about glass in the past year. Drive safe. Jim Kelly Virginia Beach VA gcanvas@compuserve.com Thursday, December 24, 1998 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 15:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:49:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Luanne6556 From: Luanne6556@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Finishing Compound Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:39:53 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec24.223953.0> Precedence: bulk Merry Christmas All, Just found a new use for my SG finishing compound and thought I would pass it on. It is the BEST Silver polish, tarnish remover I ever used. At the last minute today, I decided to pull out Grandma's silver and UGH! It was black as could be. Couldn't find any silver polish, so You guessed it I tried the finishing compound. I worked faster and easier than any I ever tried. Also did all my baking today, just thought I'd slip that in. Happy Holidays to you all. LUANNE ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 16:28:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:54:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Happy Holidays! Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.134749.0> Organization: Custom Art Glass Studio Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! I can't believe it's Christmas eve and my last commission was just picked up an hour ago. Talk about cutting it close! I would like to wish each and every one of you a happy and healthy holiday season. Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas and Happy Kwanzaa--whatever does it for you. And a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year, too! The problem with these holidays is that by the time I can relax and enjoy them, they're over! I promise (myself) to plan better next year! Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 16:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:43:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: Shay Friel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tracking Santa Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:53:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.115333.0> References: <<1998Dec24.2543.0>> Precedence: bulk Thank you Shay for the Norad website. It is so cool! My daughter and I have just been there and are enjoying it throughly! Cant wait to show my son too. So glad I checked the email before they went to bed tonight. Merry Christmas everybody! Wishing you all a happy and prosperous and glass filled New Year. Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 18:59:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:27:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:27:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199812250226.VAA12784@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk I am glad I found this group and have gotten great advice and a warm welcome from you all. You guys have inspired me to take on bigger and more complex jobs. Thanks. What a great Christmas Present for me to have found Bungi. Merry Christmas to all of you. Linda Jo Letscher (Eljay) Jacksonville, Florida ICQ uin 5072431 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 19:28:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:59:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: Klmxklm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG--- Holidays Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:58:54 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec25.25854.0> Precedence: bulk Just adding my wishes to those already given for a happy, safe and relaxing Holiday Season for all Bungians. "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 20:38:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:56:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: NG-Happy Holidaze Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:54:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.155459.0> References: <<1998Dec24.1853.0>> Organization: (aka Tracy Reitmann) Precedence: bulk Wanted to wish everyone Happy Holidaze!!! For those in the southeast and south, be VERY careful on the roads (being from Minnesota, I can appreciate the technique you need to maneuver your vehicle around on glare ice). I'm still down in the shop finishing up two chile pepper panels....the LAST of the gifts!!! Everything else is ready for tomorrow's feast (I live alone so all the cooking, cleaning, etc. was up to me...not even an elf in sight to help out!) so if I'm down in the shop until Midnight then I'm still alright...maybe I'll even catch a glimpse of Rudolph! Oops....I'm supposed to put out cookies, aren't I...hmmm...wonder where I can scare up some of those! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 21:07:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:23:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: MD6868@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG-Peace Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:21:35 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec25.42135.0> Precedence: bulk Here in Southern California, (where it is currently 28 degrees!!) I need to take a warm moment to wish for you all, that the peace of Christmas, be yours throughout the new year. It's not possible to express how much I've learned from all of you, how much help your input has been in our new venture (on hold while lawyers fight out contract -buy out from giant corp.), and generally, how encouraged I've become, as a result of my contact with all of you. (Yes, even the grumpy ones) May God (or whomever) bless you all. Richard Callahan Glassics Artglass Valencia, Ca. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 21:43:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:52:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: NG Cookies Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:18:05, -0500 Message-ID: <199812250418.XAA13028@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Two busy to wish everyone a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. In the mist of baking many dozens of large chocolate chip cookies for my club that will meet all night tonight: One batch about 60 chocolate chip cookies 1 lb butter 1 1/2 cups white sugar 1 1/2 cups brown sugar (use white with 2 tablespoons of molasses if no brown) 4 duck eggs 1 teaspoon salt 2 teaspoon baking soda 1 tablespoon nutmeg 1 tablespoon cinnamon 1 cup walnuts 2 tablespoons vanilla 4 cups semi sweet chocolate chips 4 1/2 cups flour Combine first three ingredients and beat to a fluff. Add duck (chicken if you have to) eggs one at a time beating well. Add next five ingredents. Add walnuts- beater will chop them for you. Add flour and chocolate chips mixing well, by hand if your mixer will not handle the load. I have a large Kitchen-Aid that works well. Drop a very generous tablespoon on Pamed cookie sheet and Bake at about 385'F for about 14 minutes. Leave last batch in cooling oven for hard cookies that last a long time. Got to run the oven is calling. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026 Want to talk glass? Join E-mail list: glass@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 22:47:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:08:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Happy Holidays! Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:57:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.195747.0> Precedence: bulk >Hi everyone! > > The problem with these holidays >is that by the time I can relax and enjoy them, they're over! >I promise (myself) to plan better next year! > >Nadine Nadine, this sounds like a New Year's resolution. Happy Holidays! Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 22:56:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:11:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Luanne6556@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Finishing Compound Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:07:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.20728.0> References: <<1998Dec24.223953.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Finishing Compound????? What is it???????????? Merry Christmas everybody, says Lee, who only has 4 more boxes to do for a 9:30 am Christmas day pick up. Groaaaaaaaannnnnnn. I want to sleep for a week. Baking?????Whats that???? Something to do wiht the strange appliance in the kitchen??? Lee, who has nuked most stuff in the Microwave for years. Lee Boe Luanne6556@aol.com wrote: > > Merry Christmas All, > Just found a new use for my SG finishing compound and thought I would > pass it on. It is the BEST Silver polish, tarnish remover I ever used. At > the last minute today, I decided to pull out Grandma's silver and UGH! It was > black as could be. Couldn't find any silver polish, so You guessed it I tried > the finishing compound. I worked faster and easier than any I ever tried. > Also did all my baking today, just thought I'd slip that in. Happy Holidays > to you all. > LUANNE > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 24 23:17:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:50:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Merry Christmas! Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:58:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec24.18586.0> Precedence: bulk I loved this, hope you do also! Patrick...Put that Tutu BACK ON!! ;o) Tulsa Suzanne THE TWELVE THANK-YOU NOTES OF CHRISTMAS > > My dearest darling Edward, Dec 25 > What a wonderful surprise has just greeted me! That > sweet partridge, in that lovely little pear-tree; what > an enchanting, romantic, poetic present! Bless you, and > thank you. > Your deeply loving > Emily > > Beloved Edward, Dec 26 > The two turtle-doves arrived this morning, and are cooing > away in the pear-tree as I write. I'm so touched and grateful! > With undying love, as always, > Emily > > My darling Edward, Dec 27 > You do think of the most original presents! Who ever > thought of sending anybody three French hens? Do they > really come all the way from France? It's a pity we have > no chicken coops, but I expect we'll find some. Anyway, > thank you so much; they're lovely. > Your devoted Emily > > Dearest Edward, Dec 28 > What a surprise! Four calling birds arrived this morning. > They are very sweet, even if they do call rather loudly--they > make telephoning almost impossible--but I expect they'll > calm down when they get used to their new home. Anyway, I'm > very grateful, of course I am. > Love from Emily > > Dearest Edward, Dec 29 > The mailman has just delivered five most beautiful gold > rings, one for each finger, and all fitting perfectly! > A really lovely present! Lovelier, in a way, than birds, > which do take rather a lot of looking after. The four that > arrived yesterday are still making a terrible row, and I'm > afraid none of us got much sleep last night. Mother says > she wants to use the rings to "wring" their necks. Mother > has such a sense of humor. This time she's only joking, > I think, but I do know what she means. Still, I love the rings. > Bless you, > Emily > > Dear Edward, Dec 30 > Whatever I expected to find when I opened the front door > this morning, it certainly wasn't six socking great geese > laying eggs all over the porch. Frankly, I rather hoped > that you had stopped sending me birds. We have no room > for them, and they've already ruined the croquet lawn. > I know you meant well, but let's call a halt, shall we? > Love, > Emily > > Edward, Dec 31 > I thought I said NO MORE BIRDS. This morning I woke > up to find no more than seven swans, all trying to get > into our tiny goldfish pond. I'd rather not think what's > happened to the goldfish. The whole house seems to be > full of birds, to say nothing of what they leave behind > them, so please, please, stop! > Your Emily > > Jan 1 > Frankly, I prefer the birds. What am I to do with eight > milkmaids? And their cows! Is this some kind of a joke? > If so, I'm afraid I don't find it very amusing. > Emily > > Look here, Edward, Jan 2 > This has gone far enough. You say you're sending me > nine ladies dancing. All I can say is, judging from the > way they dance, they're certainly not ladies. The village > just isn't accustomed to seeing a regiment of shameless > viragos, with nothing on but their lipstick, cavorting > round the green, and it's Mother and I who get the blame. > If you value our friendship, which I do (less and less), > kindly stop this ridiculous behavior at once! > Emily > > Jan 3 > As I write this letter, ten disgusting old men are > prancing up and down all over what used to be the garden, > before the geese and the swans and the cows got at it. > And several of them, I have just noticed, are taking > inexcusable liberties with the milkmaids. Meanwhile the > neighbors are trying to have us evicted. I shall never > speak to you again. > Emily > > Jan 4 > This is the last straw! You know I detest bagpipes! > The place has now become something between a menagerie > and a madhouse, and a man from the council has just > declared it unfit for habitation. At least Mother has > been spared this last outrage; they took her away yesterday > afternoon in an ambulance. I hope you're satisfied. > > > Sir, Jan 5 > Our client, Miss Emily Wilbraham, instructs me to > inform you that with the arrival on her premises at 7:30 > this morning of the entire percussion section of the > Boston Symphony Orchestra, and several of their friends, > she has no course left open to her but to seek an injunction > to prevent you importuning her further. I am making > arrangements for the return of much assorted livestock. > I am, Sir, yours faithfully, > G. Creep > Attorney at law ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 00:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:22:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: dircon.co.uk!bshep From: "Brian Shepherd" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:14:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec25.81451.0> Precedence: bulk There isn't much we get before you lot but we do get the dawn first! So I thought I would be first(ish) in with the Happy Christmas greeting but there you Americans are already - jostling about all full of good cheer and cookies! (I'll try the recipe BOB!) Anyway - thank you all for a (generally ) good natured romp around glass! I'm glad that Pam pointed me your way! I've learnt loads. What will next year bring? I'll be here in Blighty - listening and just occasionally putting in my 2p (roughly 3c!) Have a happy time! Brian the Brit ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 08:33:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:51:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG "Brian the Brit" tries to get the jump on us! Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:51:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec25.15516.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/25/98 3:52:02 AM, bshep@dircon.co.uk wrote: >There isn't much we get before you lot but we do get the dawn first! So I >thought I would be first(ish) in with the Happy Christmas greeting but there >you Americans are already - jostling about all full of good cheer and >cookies! (I'll try the recipe BOB!) Yesterday afternoon as I was minding the store for a friend who was home getting ready for the arrival of her whole family from all over, I turned on the radio and one of the public radio stations was broadcasting the Christmas Eve service from Westminster Cathedral. Yum! And a merry merry to all....... Sparks, musical Anglophile ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 08:46:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:51:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Protective gear, was Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:51:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec25.155117.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/24/98 3:25:50 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: >i wear normal glasses... goggles are always hazy. i got flux in my eye >once, but that was the only time. and i've only gotten glass in there a >few small times. mostly from the grinder. but since i've been using that >handy little shield that came with the grinder it's helped alot. now i >don't have glass bits in my hair, on my arms, in my mouth, etc. I wear great big "frameless" glasses that fit close to my face and are light enough not to slip down my nose too badly, and they do keep the flying small stuff out, but I still feel kind of strange if I forget my "over-glasses" when I'm grinding. (Regular goggles get too fogged up; I've been using those glasses-like things that are big enough to fit over a pair of regular glasses. I wore industrial safety glasses for years (even as my "regular glasses" after I got out of the chemical industry) and have been thinking seriously about getting them again when my current prescription has to be replaced, but they're so *heavy* compared to the ones I'm wearing, I think I'll put up with over-glasses for a while yet. Now wearing *contacts* in the shop, *that* gives me the willies! (Where I used to work, contacts were expressly forbidden unless the contact-wearer also wore splashproof goggles or a full-face shield in the lab at all times.) Here's lookin' at y'all, kids! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 08:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Re: oil cutter Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:51:19 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec25.155119.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/24/98 5:08:08 AM, bshep@dircon.co.uk wrote: >As far as I know there is no lubricant currently available in UK. >Correction! There might be one but when I ordered it it wasn't being >currently stocked - it just happened to be in the catalogue! In their last newsletter ("The Score"), Spectrum Glass Co. recommended good old kerosene (with about 10% automatic transmission fluid added for color, if desired). Sparks (being extra careful so I don't set it on fire) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 10:09:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:21:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: glass cutting Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:20:21 -0800 Message-ID: <199812251720.JAA10437@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk So, here's my question of the day...to the lead came specialists we have on group. Remember I'm a copper foil person moving into more and more came work. And bear with me on description of problem, this is a case where the proverbial picture would come in handy... Okay, let's say you're using a multi coloured opalescent glass that has a definite pattern in it due to the way the glass is combined...call it swirls or whatever. Now let's say you want that pattern to be continuous between the pieces...like maybe it's for a bird's wing and you want the pattern to represent the feathers. For copper foil work I just lay the piece over the pattern (on my light box since it's opalescent glass) and score the pieces I want side by side out of the glass and give them a light grinding to allow for the foil thickness. Perfect, quick and easy. Now to create this very same bird wing for lead came, it seems I gotta score two lines VERY VERY close together to make sure the lead heart space is left out. When I break out my wing pieces, there is the thin bit of excess left on one side. Breaking off this excess is, quite frankly a pain in the butt...it has to be nipped off bit by bit and it's gonna take some grinding to get the sides of the piece nice and smooth, in other words it's timeconsuming. If I were to cut each "feather" piece individually, leaving a half inch or so gap so the pieces would break out smoothly I'd lose the texture continuity I was looking for. This is a problem I run into fairly regulary with lead came and I'm struggling with it again today. I can solve it with some extra work, but it seems there must be an easier way that's been developed over the last 800 or so years. C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 11:12:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:41:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Happy Holidaze! Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec25.73625.0> References: <<1998Dec24.7260.0>> Precedence: bulk Season's Greetings from mild-wintered (usually anyway) Georgia! Shay, thanks for posting the Santa tracking site. My daughter and I checked on him a few times before she went to bed last night. Anyone needing help with their holiday baking? Santa brought an Easy Bake oven to our house, so I know my little one would be willing to help bake cookies! Tusa Suzanne and Dinosaur Bob, thanks for the funnies! Those were great! Merry Christmas! Jerri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 11:43:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:10:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Re: oil cutter Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:09:04 -0800 Message-ID: <199812251709.JAA09350@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 12/24/98 5:08:08 AM, bshep@dircon.co.uk wrote: > >>As far as I know there is no lubricant currently available in UK. >>Correction! There might be one but when I ordered it it wasn't being >>currently stocked - it just happened to be in the catalogue! > >In their last newsletter ("The Score"), Spectrum Glass Co. recommended good >old kerosene (with about 10% automatic transmission fluid added for color, if >desired). You know...I don't think there's a right or wrong, better or worse oil here...be it kerosene or 3 in 1 (what I use)...the message is to be sure you use something for lubrication and spit doesn't count...I remember that from the last time this thread came up :) C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 11:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:11:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Protective gear, was Re: 550-watt iron???????? Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:07:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199812251707.JAA09173@oceanus.island.net> Precedence: bulk > >In a message dated 12/24/98 3:25:50 PM, esavad@home.net wrote: > >>i wear normal glasses... goggles are always hazy. i got flux in my eye >>once, but that was the only time. and i've only gotten glass in there a >>few small times. mostly from the grinder. but since i've been using that >>handy little shield that came with the grinder it's helped alot. now i >>don't have glass bits in my hair, on my arms, in my mouth, etc. > >I wear great big "frameless" glasses that fit close to my face and are light >enough not to slip down my nose too badly, and they do keep the flying small >stuff out, but I still feel kind of strange if I forget my "over-glasses" when >I'm grinding. Hi Sparks...greetings to someone else on line today! Here's a thought for you to keep glass bits from flying all over with the grinder...grab yourself an old aquarium from a yard sale (hmmm, this belongs under dumpster diving thread I think), turn it on its side and insert grinder. Across the front, make yourself a "fly strip" thingie out of plastic bags to insert your arms through. Set yourself a lamp on the top for increased lighting et Voila...no more glass bits behind goggles or on ceilings or walls throughout your shop...however I defy you to get that on your motorbike with everything else :) C. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative http://www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 14:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:48:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronwells From: byronwells@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:54:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec25.95453.0> Precedence: bulk Hmm... I'll have to check my new Toyo... Soon as I put oil in it it started leaking... My old one didnt leak,it had just gotten dull....If it's cracked they'll be getting it back too.. Byron.. Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 4:58 AM Subject: oil cutter >I recently purchased a new Toyo pistol grip cutter for Sparks. >As soon as she filled it with oil, it leaked and leaked and leaked. >We noticed dual cracks where the head assembly connects >with the pistol grip body. Seems to us that Toyo overtightened >the head-to-body assembly, cracking the plastic body. I returned >it to my supplier, who sent it back to Toyo. We are awaiting a >replacement, or a fixed cutter. > >Christie A. Wood ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 14:48:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:58:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "all" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Protective gear, Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:57:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec25.105712.0> Precedence: bulk I have one of those three piece plastic panels that slid together (don't know how much they cost). It seems to keep the flying stuff in check. What I did do however, was to make a drawer for my workbench, put the grinder in the drawer, with the panel still surrounding the grinder. Now when I finish grinding I slid the drawer back to where it belongs and out of the way. It works great and no problem getting frit, water, blood, etc, all over the workbench. The drawer holds all of this. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 14:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:59:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Luanne6556 From: Luanne6556@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Finishing Compound Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:58:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec25.215820.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_914623100_boundary Content-ID: <0_914623100@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_914623100_boundary Content-ID: <0_914623100@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Luanne6556@aol.com Return-path: To: leestat7@home.com Subject: Re: Finishing Compound Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:57:24 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey Lee, The stained glass finishing compound is made by KEM-O-PRO. I think it is available at most SG retailers and wholesalers. I use it after the panel is cleaned and patina has been applied. It is a liquid that is squeezed on and you buff it on the lead, solder and glass for a real nice finish. It waxes the glass and adds lustre to the patina which sometimes can look rather dull. LUANNE --part0_914623100_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 15:52:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:29:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@intrastar.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Searching for Peggy Johnson Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:22:56 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec25.112256.0> Precedence: bulk Peggy, Sorry to look for you in this public way, but I don't have your e- address. I've got your competency based instructor's manual, and would like to talk about extending it to leading. Please send my your address, & I'll let you know what I'm thinking. I hope you have had a good Christmas and will have a successful new year. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 16:04:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:30:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Byron Wells" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:23:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec25.72312.0> Precedence: bulk Did you know that you can change the cutting head after it gets dull? No need to buy another cutter. A few million posts ago, I questioned the need to FILL the cutters with oil. I still question that. enjoy, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 16:57:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:25:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: glass cutting Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:41:02 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Dec25.23412.0> References: <<199812251720.JAA10437@oceanus.island.net>> Precedence: bulk OK, Carol. This is what I do. Not necessarily the best or only. I cut the glass once! I do not grind, nor take off a thin piece of glass to compensate for the heart of the came. The fact that the leaves of the came spread over some of the glass, means that I can't see that there is too much space between one piece of glass and the other. My eye just makes the pattern in the glass follow through. Try it and see what happens, but don't solder any joints yet. If it doesn't look right, you only will have to take it out and groze it a bit. Steve In message <199812251720.JAA10437@oceanus.island.net>, Carol Swann writes >So, here's my question of the day...to the lead came specialists we have on >group. Remember I'm a copper foil person moving into more and more came >work. And bear with me on description of problem, this is a case where the >proverbial picture would come in handy... > >Okay, let's say you're using a multi coloured opalescent glass that has a >definite pattern in it due to the way the glass is combined...call it swirls >or whatever. Now let's say you want that pattern to be continuous between >the pieces...like maybe it's for a bird's wing and you want the pattern to >represent the feathers. > >For copper foil work I just lay the piece over the pattern (on my light box >since it's opalescent glass) and score the pieces I want side by side out of >the glass and give them a light grinding to allow for the foil thickness. >Perfect, quick and easy. > >Now to create this very same bird wing for lead came, it seems I gotta score >two lines VERY VERY close together to make sure the lead heart space is left >out. When I break out my wing pieces, there is the thin bit of excess left >on one side. Breaking off this excess is, quite frankly a pain in the >butt...it has to be nipped off bit by bit and it's gonna take some grinding >to get the sides of the piece nice and smooth, in other words it's >timeconsuming. > >If I were to cut each "feather" piece individually, leaving a half inch or >so gap so the pieces would break out smoothly I'd lose the texture >continuity I was looking for. > >This is a problem I run into fairly regulary with lead came and I'm >struggling with it again today. I can solve it with some extra work, but it >seems there must be an easier way that's been developed over the last 800 or >so years. > >C. > >Carol Swann >Synergy Glass & Creative >http://www.igga.org/synergy >seaspray@island.net > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 17:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:07:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: chitchay@worldnet.att.net (Shay Friel), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help! Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:05:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec25.15514.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk First, I wish all of you have had a very good Christmas, with some well deserved relaxation with friends and loved ones.. Shay, I am finally returning to read my mail.. I started from the most recent and am down to the 21 st.. Pretty busy glass Christmas for me.. I am surprised that no one questioned your soldering iron.. I have had students that had bought irons from the retail stores (me being one of them in my beginning years, and at that time, learned many decorate soldering techniques, to get a finished piece that I found exceptable) found out that my problem was with my soldering iron.. During soldering, I would freeze, stick to the seams, and the solder would not flow.. Therefore, it was quite hatchy and I tried "decorative" soldering.. I still even own ( I believe it is a Weller iron, that poured a bead, which still did not work for me, and I always used a rheostat).. My first good iron was an Ungar, and since than, I own and recommend the Hakko professional model.. My solder now flows, forwards and backwards and into new seams., never loosing heat and never waiting to reheat to move on.. Hope this helps you, at the beginning, always hated the soldering part..due to the slopiness.. Now, it is the finishing end.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 19:34:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:47:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help! Date: Fri Dec 25 18:46:05 1998 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.16225.0> Precedence: bulk hakko 85w with 1/8" tip great great great kinda like it, have had it for 6 years and use it a lot---use a weller 100 for large foil panels, but for lead and 3-d stuff (do a lot of it like mike), wouldn't use anything but the hakko 85w debbie -----Original Message----- From: GLORIA DRAG To: Shay Friel ; glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Help! >First, I wish all of you have had a very good Christmas, with some well >deserved relaxation with friends and loved ones.. > >Shay, I am finally returning to read my mail.. I started from the most >recent and am down to the 21 st.. Pretty busy glass Christmas for me.. >I am surprised that no one questioned your soldering iron.. I have had >students that had bought irons from the retail stores (me being one of >them in my beginning years, and at that time, learned many decorate >soldering techniques, to get a finished piece that I found exceptable) >found out that my problem was with my soldering iron.. During soldering, >I would freeze, stick to the seams, and the solder would not flow.. >Therefore, it was quite hatchy and I tried "decorative" soldering.. I >still even own ( I believe it is a Weller iron, that poured a bead, >which still did not work for me, and I always used a rheostat).. My >first good iron was an Ungar, and since than, I own and recommend the >Hakko professional model.. My solder now flows, forwards and backwards >and into new seams., never loosing heat and never waiting to reheat to >move on.. Hope this helps you, at the beginning, always hated the >soldering part..due to the slopiness.. Now, it is the finishing end.. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 21:39:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:53:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: Byron Wells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:47:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec25.18470.0> References: <<1998Dec25.95453.0>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Byron: If I had a Toyo cutter that had a worn out head I would not replace the whole cutter just the head. These are available much cheaper than the entire cutter and come in various angles. Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio http://home.talkcity.com/PicassoPl/camerashy/ To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 25 23:39:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:20:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: toyo cutter Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:32:23 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec26.53223.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I'm hoping that one of you folks can answer a question for me. I got a toyo cutter for Christmas. Its the first pistol grip cutter I've had so using it is new to me. The problem I'm having is that everytime I put pressure on it to cut the head turns to the right. Now what I'd like to know is do you think that there is something wronge with it or is that the way they are supposed to work, or am I doing something wronge. As always, thanks so much for your help. Kathy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 06:57:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 06:30:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fwd: Finishing Compound Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 06:28:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199812261428.GAA12470@ark.com> Precedence: bulk Also, (Here we go again!) If you use the Kem-o-pro on the solder seams and then buff with the dremel tool & buffing wheel, it puts a brilliant shine on the lead lines. (Much faster than trying to buff them by hand) While I'me at it....Merry Christmas and a safe and joyous holiday season to you all. ......Wayne > >Hey Lee, > The stained glass finishing compound is made by KEM-O-PRO. I think it is >available at most SG retailers and wholesalers. I use it after the panel is >cleaned and patina has been applied. It is a liquid that is squeezed on and >you buff it on the lead, solder and glass for a real nice finish. It waxes the >glass and adds lustre to the patina which sometimes can look rather dull. >LUANNE > >--part0_914623100_boundary-- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 07:09:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 06:16:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: technology21.com!lsg From: To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Merry Christmas & change of address Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:57:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.3574.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE30AD.B5C4C680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read bungi mail a whole lot more than I send bungi mail but I do wish = you all a very merry Christmas and a healthy Happy New Year. 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I read bungi mail a whole lot more = than I send=20 bungi mail but I do wish you all a very merry Christmas and a healthy = Happy New=20 Year. I live in the southern part of New Jersey and the newspaper said = that we=20 had our first white Christmas since 1972, it was nice.
I have done some beveling work for = several of=20 you, doing some even now for some of you, I want you to know that I have = changed=20 my internet provider. My new email address is lsg@technology21.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE30AD.B5C4C680-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 08:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: toyo cutter Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: <199812261527.KAA03245@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Hi folks, > I'm hoping that one of you folks can answer a question for me. >I got a toyo cutter for Christmas. Its the first pistol grip cutter I've >had so using it is new to me. The problem I'm having is that everytime I >put pressure on it to cut the head turns to the right. Now what I'd like >to know is do you think that there is something wronge with it or is >that the way they are supposed to work, or am I doing something wronge. >As always, thanks so much for your help. > Kathy Hi Kathy, Nice Christmas present. Somebody cares! The toyo heads swivel. You should get used to it. But if it still bothers you after a while, it's possible to make it stationary by unscrewing that little screw in the head, turning the head, and screwing it back. I did that with one of mine. So I keep one that swivels, and one that doesn't. Find myself reaching more for the old swivel one (habit?) don't know. Suzannah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 08:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:36:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "Kathy Mather" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: toyo cutter Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:33:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.43323.0> Precedence: bulk It takes a little getting used to. Are you pushing or pulling it. I used to pull mine, but I read a post and it said try both ways, I did and the pushing part is easier for me. Also, try varying degrees of pressure on similar glass. -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Mather To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 1:44 AM Subject: toyo cutter >Hi folks, > I'm hoping that one of you folks can answer a question for me. >I got a toyo cutter for Christmas. Its the first pistol grip cutter I've >had so using it is new to me. The problem I'm having is that everytime I >put pressure on it to cut the head turns to the right. Now what I'd like >to know is do you think that there is something wronge with it or is >that the way they are supposed to work, or am I doing something wronge. >As always, thanks so much for your help. > Kathy > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 08:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:37:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 82 Michele Spruill Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:35:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.43544.0> Precedence: bulk Patrick- Thanks for offering us the ability to get to know one another in this neat way. I've put off doing a bio for the fall as I've been busy, but the story will explain that I suppose... I'm Michele. I've been doing stained glass for about 2 1/2 years and am as fully immersed in it as most of you reading. I'm originally from Baltimore, MD. I always did crafty stuff myself. It ran from macram=E9' to painting to ceramics. I had small jobs through high school that were very telling about my interests, but I didn't realize it at the time. First I worked in a shoe store. Selling was fine, but what I really wanted to do was the display windows! After that I sold flowers, but really liked arranging them more than selling them! I went to college and majored in Interior Design. I loved it, but afterwards chickened out about designing and sold furniture. In the meantime, I married a Navy man. We've lived in Norfolk, VA, Charleston, SC, and Athens, GA before repeating Norfolk again, where we stayed for 6 years. (A veritable lifetime by Navy standards! I=92ve come to think of it as home.) I developed a good freelance business in Visual Merchandising- designing store windows and retail layouts before leaving with my family to our next assignment. We are currently living near Harrisburg, PA. I decided to take it easy after this last move. (I didn't have the energy to start and leave another business!) When one is new to an area, the best way to learn about it is to read the ads as well as the articles in the paper. A stained glass studio was giving introductory lessons. I signed up and instantly loved it. I remembered being in studios during my college years and felt so at home working toward something beautiful! I took several different classes and became frustrated that I had to drive across town when I felt like doing glass. I also had ideas of what I wanted to have my projects look like, and quickly found that drawing my own patterns was the only way to go. I still use patterns from time to time, but like in cooking, I can=92t seem to leave the original idea alon= e without fiddling with it. My poor husband has seen his woodworking shop in the garage slowly lose workspace from the encroaching glass projects. The entrepreneur in me couldn=92t hold back- and after having a few friends ask me to make them things I started doing craft shows. I think craft shows are A LOT of work, and they always have an element of gamble to them. A small gallery in Emmitsburg, MD invited me to sell my things there, and I hope my wave of the future is selling items in shops- I find the pace much less frenzied that way. In the mean time, a friend who knew my merchandising background invited me to help with seasonal mall decorations. (You know, setting up the place Santa sits at the mall.) We go around throughout the month of November do-ing and the first two weeks of January undo-ing=85 I am luck= y enough to have gotten a number of glass orders during that time also, so I=92m cutting, foiling and soldering during every available moment! We will move to the Washington, DC area this summer. I don=92t know if I want to keep glass on the side of merchandising or if I want to do glass all the time. (I know what you all would say=85.) I learn so much from reading bungi. I=92ve started slumping glass and want to learn more about lampwork beads. The possibilities of what to make in glass are endless to me and I have a million projects ready in my head! I enjoy getting to know you in your biographies and through your notes in the group. Thanks! Michele Spruill Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 09:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:44:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: epix.net!rmaloney From: Rich To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: toyo cutter Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:40:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981226114032.007cf0b0@epix.net> References: <<1998Dec26.53223.0>> Precedence: bulk hi. I had the same problem when i started. The trick for me was to use my pointer finger to guide the head, kind of hold your hand like you were making a fake gun. Your pointer finger down on the head. When i first tried this i also used the pointer finger of my other hand to help guide it. Hope this makes a little sense. rich At 09:32 PM 12/25/98 PST, you wrote: >Hi folks, > I'm hoping that one of you folks can answer a question for me. >I got a toyo cutter for Christmas. Its the first pistol grip cutter I've >had so using it is new to me. The problem I'm having is that everytime I >put pressure on it to cut the head turns to the right. Now what I'd like >to know is do you think that there is something wronge with it or is >that the way they are supposed to work, or am I doing something wronge. >As always, thanks so much for your help. > Kathy > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 09:13:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:26:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.62551.0> References: <<1998Dec25.72312.0>> Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: > > Did you know that you can change the cutting head after it gets dull? No > need to buy another cutter. > > A few million posts ago, I questioned the need to FILL the cutters with oil. > I still question that. > enjoy, H > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i see it like this: would you run your car without oil? how about not oiling your chain on your bike. chances are it will run for a while, then stop. bearings would seize, metal would rub on metal, causing heat, causing it to wear down. a glass cutter can be the same. the wheel will dull faster, and it may start to wobble. it may be a small amount though. how long does a cutter last without oil? and with? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 11:09:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:34:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec26.183456.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/25/98 7:05:19 PM, weaver51@teleport.com wrote: >Did you know that you can change the cutting head after it gets dull? No >need to buy another cutter. Yeah, you can get new heads for them, but how come you can't seem to get replacement *bodies*? My first cutter died when someone who will here remain nameless (not me, though) didn't know their own strength and tightened the head too tight after cleaning out the clogged wick, and my second one was cracked from the git-go. So I have 2 perfectly good head assemblies and two utterly destroyed bodies, and am using the old one (held together with duct tape) while I'm waiting for a replacement for the new one! Sparks, disgusted ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 12:09:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:46:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: toyo cutter Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:39:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.93958.0> Precedence: bulk I was taught to push the cutter. The logic was that you'd rather see where you're going than where you've been. It really is as easy to push as to pull and your accuracy is better. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Pat Kelly To: Kathy Mather ; glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 11:16 AM Subject: Re: toyo cutter >It takes a little getting used to. Are you pushing or pulling it. I used to >pull mine, but I read a post and it said try both ways, I did and the >pushing part is easier for me. Also, try varying degrees of pressure on >similar glass. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kathy Mather >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 1:44 AM >Subject: toyo cutter > > >>Hi folks, >> I'm hoping that one of you folks can answer a question for me. >>I got a toyo cutter for Christmas. Its the first pistol grip cutter I've >>had so using it is new to me. The problem I'm having is that everytime I >>put pressure on it to cut the head turns to the right. Now what I'd like >>to know is do you think that there is something wronge with it or is >>that the way they are supposed to work, or am I doing something wronge. >>As always, thanks so much for your help. >> Kathy >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 12:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:52:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tricountyi.net!grannyandpawpaw From: "Granny And PawPaw" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bio # 82 Michele Spruill Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.94535.0> Precedence: bulk Michele, where are you ? I'm about 50 miles north of Harrisburg in Richfield, Juniata County. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Pat Kelly To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 11:29 AM Subject: Bio # 82 Michele Spruill > >Patrick- Thanks for offering us the ability to get to know one another >in this neat way. I've put off doing a bio for the fall as I've been >busy, but the story will explain that I suppose... > >I'm Michele. I've been doing stained glass for about 2 1/2 years and am >as fully immersed in it as most of you reading. I'm originally from >Baltimore, MD. I always did crafty stuff myself. It ran from macram=E9' >to painting to ceramics. I had small jobs through high school that were >very telling about my interests, but I didn't realize it at the time. >First I worked in a shoe store. Selling was fine, but what I really >wanted to do was the display windows! After that I sold flowers, but >really liked arranging them more than selling them! I went to college >and majored in Interior Design. I loved it, but afterwards chickened >out about designing and sold furniture. In the meantime, I married a >Navy man. We've lived in Norfolk, VA, Charleston, SC, and Athens, GA >before repeating Norfolk again, where we stayed for 6 years. (A >veritable lifetime by Navy standards! I=92ve come to think of it as >home.) I developed a good freelance business in Visual Merchandising- >designing store windows and retail layouts before leaving with my family >to our next assignment. > >We are currently living near Harrisburg, PA. I decided to take it easy >after this last move. (I didn't have the energy to start and leave >another business!) When one is new to an area, the best way to learn >about it is to read the ads as well as the articles in the paper. A >stained glass studio was giving introductory lessons. I signed up and >instantly loved it. I remembered being in studios during my college >years and felt so at home working toward something beautiful! I took >several different classes and became frustrated that I had to drive >across town when I felt like doing glass. I also had ideas of what I >wanted to have my projects look like, and quickly found that drawing my >own patterns was the only way to go. I still use patterns from time to >time, but like in cooking, I can=92t seem to leave the original idea alon= >e >without fiddling with it. My poor husband has seen his woodworking shop >in the garage slowly lose workspace from the encroaching glass projects. > >The entrepreneur in me couldn=92t hold back- and after having a few >friends ask me to make them things I started doing craft shows. I think >craft shows are A LOT of work, and they always have an element of gamble >to them. A small gallery in Emmitsburg, MD invited me to sell my things >there, and I hope my wave of the future is selling items in shops- I >find the pace much less frenzied that way. > >In the mean time, a friend who knew my merchandising background invited >me to help with seasonal mall decorations. (You know, setting up the >place Santa sits at the mall.) We go around throughout the month of >November do-ing and the first two weeks of January undo-ing=85 I am luck= >y >enough to have gotten a number of glass orders during that time also, so >I=92m cutting, foiling and soldering during every available moment! > >We will move to the Washington, DC area this summer. I don=92t know if I >want to keep glass on the side of merchandising or if I want to do glass >all the time. (I know what you all would say=85.) > >I learn so much from reading bungi. I=92ve started slumping glass and >want to learn more about lampwork beads. The possibilities of what to >make in glass are endless to me and I have a million projects ready in >my head! I enjoy getting to know you in your biographies and through >your notes in the group. Thanks! > >Michele Spruill > > > >Patrick >Roses and Rainbows > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 14:09:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:44:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ellenraper From: Ellen Raper To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fusing/easel questions Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:42:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981226164204.007ca410@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Precedence: bulk I am just beginning to learn how to work with kiln fused glass and have a question I hope you all can help me with. What firing schedule should be used to fire polish glass that has been sandblasted to return it to its original glossy finish. Also - I am trying to find a source for a specific kind of easel back for picture frames. I am looking for the type in which the easel leg is attached to a part of the backing that swings open like a window from the rest of the cardboard backing. You then place the picture into the "window" opening and then close and latch the "window". As a result this type of back can be glued directly to the frame instead of attached by sliding it into a came channel. Many thanks, Ellen Raper ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 14:39:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:59:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG/well almost Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:02:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.6249.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Didn't get a chance to wish you a Merry Christmas. My college sons are home and have been helping me clean my house that has been dirty ever since I discovered glass 3 years ago. It was the best gift I have ever received. My brother gave me a dremel for christmas, so I guess mobliles are in my future. Just wanted to share one thing with you glass saw users. I use mine to cut out letters(of names and welcomes)for stepping stones. I have found that if you cut your design out on typing paper(I print mine out from a print program I have)and glue it to the glass. Then use your glass cutter to get all the simple cuts. Then use the saw for the harder cuts. I use a glue stick(Avery). It stays glued long enough to survive the water from the saw, and by then the paper is soft enough to just brush off with your finger. Of course you can not save the template. Hope you all had a wonderful christmas. I did. My mother does the cooking!! My oven broke last year before Thanksgiving and I haven't missed it yet. Happy and Safe and Healthy New Year everyone. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 15:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:26:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!katmath From: "Kathy Mather" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: thanks Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:24:26 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec26.232426.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Thanks everyone for the help you all gave me in regards to my toyo cutter. I'm on my way now to give all you ideas a try! Again thanks. Kathy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 16:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:41:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: oil cutter Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.134057.0> References: <<1998Dec26.183456.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/25/98 7:05:19 PM, weaver51@teleport.com wrote: > > >Did you know that you can change the cutting head after it gets dull? No > >need to buy another cutter. > > Yeah, you can get new heads for them, but how come you can't seem to get > replacement *bodies*? My first cutter died when someone who will here remain > nameless (not me, though) didn't know their own strength and tightened the > head too tight after cleaning out the clogged wick, and my second one was > cracked from the git-go. So I have 2 perfectly good head assemblies and two > utterly destroyed bodies, and am using the old one (held together with duct > tape) while I'm waiting for a replacement for the new one! > > Sparks, disgusted > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you could probably complain to the company and get new bodies. stating that your very disappointed in their product and it should have held up better then that. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 11-28-98 New Pages Added: 37 New Links in 5 Categories, A sneak preview of the Brilliance Award, A Foiling FAQ, and A Look at Sky City ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 16:27:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Subscribe Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:42:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.114252.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 16:48:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:21:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: glass@bungi.com, 3hounds@usaor.net Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG, Hate to ask this Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:18:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec26.141839.0> Precedence: bulk Greetings, it is the evening of the 26th.. This morning I was trying to get rid of the caps in my name, EXPLORING and not knowing what I am really doing, but did fine the classical tunes to read bungi by, but, however,I have no messages from you.. Has anyone sent messages today, did I mess up my address.. Thanks in advance..' Gloria, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 17:17:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:26:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!moondancer44 From: "Linda Johnson" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: templates and saw Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:25:36 PST Message-ID: <1998Dec27.02536.0> Precedence: bulk Belated Merry Christmas Everyone!! Whenever I use my ring saw, I also use Avery glue stick to glue the templates onto my glass but a thin coat of rubber cement on top of the template waterproofs all and the template should stay on even during the grinding and fitting. Also, rubber cement WILL NOT gum up on your blade. Linda ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 17:40:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:02:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fair.net!andor From: "Linda Letscher" To: "bungi.com" Subject: Re: NG, Hate to ask this Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:56:18 -0500 Message-ID: <199812270056.TAA02476@smtp.america.net> Precedence: bulk Gloria, I have gotten a few bungi mails, but I think people are busy. It may just be you and I on line this weekend. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: GLORIA DRAG To: glass@bungi.com ; 3hounds@usaor.net <3hounds@usaor.net> Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 7:52 PM Subject: NG, Hate to ask this >Greetings, it is the evening of the 26th.. This morning I was trying to >get >rid of the caps in my name, EXPLORING and not knowing what I am really >doing, but did fine the classical tunes to read bungi by, but, however,I >have no messages from you.. Has anyone sent messages today, did I mess >up my address.. >Thanks in advance..' >Gloria, > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 18:12:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:08:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Luanne6556 From: Luanne6556@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Finishing Compound Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:06:57 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec27.1657.0> Precedence: bulk SUZANNE, Stained Glass Finishing Compound by KEM-O-PRO, a wonderful polishing compound, waxes glass, adds lustre to patina, etc. Did you see my reply to Lee? Hate to be redundant. LUANNE ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 18:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:17:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: webtv.net!stainglasborzoi From: stainglasborzoi@webtv.net (GLORIA DRAG) To: kristc@home.com (Kris), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NG, Hate to ask this Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:15:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1998Dec26.151545.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Thank you, have been sooo busy all week, and when finally done, tried to change the caps in the name , no messages, thought I did something, ,Kris, thank you for responding, and friends of Bungi, i am not shouting my name, i I like mouse like qualities,.., Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 19:57:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:22:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: A few novice questions Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:42:16 EST Message-ID: <1998Dec27.24216.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all! Hope everyone had a safe and happy holiday. I got a new workbench for Christmas (one of those kits I put together) so I redid my basement studio. Gee it was fun reorganizing it really motivates me to do more, so I started on some belated Christmas presents. Anyway I took apart my grinder and gave it a great cleaning and I was wondering ( and this is the novice part): How do you know when to change the grinder head? I got my grinder for Christmas last year, I think I've adjusted it so that I've covered the entire head. I think it's getting pretty worn but I don't know when it's worn enough. Next question: I've been keeping track of the cutter answers, I too have a pistol grip that leaks so I've always kept my cutter in a jar with an oil drenched paper towel to keep it moist. I like the idea of filling the morton grid square which I did, I also filled a cap. Oh yeah the question...what household products are acceptable to use? I think I am using oil candle oil, it's been so long since I filled the jar I forgot. Is the oil that goes in oil lamps (you know the candles with the wicks) okay to use. I know I had another question and now it is slipping my mind. Oh well it'll come to me. THANKS to everyone for all your advice, your humor and your compassion. I may not write often but I read almost everything on an almost daily basis. Someday I too will know enough to give some advice instead of asking for advice. Being part of bungi has been so educational and inspiring for me. You are all a great bunch. Have a terrific NEW YEAR everyone. Thanks, Caren ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 20:27:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:09:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Soldering help Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Dec26.18634.0> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk There's a good article in the latest issue of Glass Craftsman -- "In Search of the Perfect Solder Bead". Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 26 23:02:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:33:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: A few novice questions Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:36:50 -0500 Message-ID: <199812270537.AAA17268@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk mschatee@juno.com